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REVIEW: The people need to take back control Recent Canadian governments thought it would make sense to place the economy in the hands of the private marketplace. Bad decision

Tony Sutton
A review of The Sport & Prey of Capitalists: How the Rich Are Stealing Canada’s Public Wealth, by Linda McQuaig. Published by Dundurn

It’s painful to recount the times in recent decades that we’ve been fed the neoliberal mantra that privatising public services is more cost effective than allowing them to remain in the hands of ‘spendthrift’ governments.

To see the unreality of those claims of corporate fiscal superiority, we need look no further than Britain, where various governments have, over the past few decades, sold essential public utilities cheaply to companies that promised greater efficiency and lower prices.

Unfortunately, as the Brit consumers soon discovered, the private sector is much better at raising prices, slashing services, pigging on profits, and squealing for government support when, inevitably, things go wrong.

The situation on the other side of the Atlantic is worse, US leaders having convinced their guileless citizens that they live in a classless society in which unions are the devil’s creation, socialism is for commie bastards, taxation is evil, and a half-decent public health service is just a liberal wet dream.

Canada is different, we are told. Ours is a kinder, gentler, and generally more sensible society. People are polite. Healthcare is a right, not a luxury. And, perhaps most important of all, Canada has long resisted the economy-gobbling excesses of US-style military funding.

Well, yes. But, as Linda McQuaig points out in her latest book, The Sport & Prey of Capitalists: How Capitalists Are Stealing Canada’s Wealth, a succession of political betrayals have taken Canada on a long ride down the neoliberal highway, leaving the country “increasingly dominated by the forces of private greed that rule the marketplace”.

Sport & Prey begins with a cautionary tale that warns against reckless distribution of public cash, in which McQuaig tellshow Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government paid $4.5-billion of taxpayer cash in 2018 to take over the long-troubled Trans Mountain oil pipeline.

Kinder Morgan, its Texas-based owner, started the pipelinein more optimistic times, as a means of transporting heavy crude oil from Alberta’s tar sands to West Coast ports en route to Asia. However, their plans were thwarted by protests from indigenous groups and others, including the government of British Columbia.

The decision to buy the pipeline was, Trudeau insisted, “in the public interest”, although critics pointed out that its completion would have compromised our ability “to survive on the planet”. How, McQuaig, asks, could “something serve our interest as a nation when it undermines our more basic interests as humans?

In purchasing the pipeline, the Liberal government was following a long Canadian tradition of establishing publicly-owned enterprises. But Trudeau was using this important tool of national development in a new way: not in a way that would advance the interests of Canadians, but in a way that would – by any meaningful measure – set back those interests.”

This mocked a tradition of public enterprise in which Canada had, for a century after Confederation in 1867 “created significant public enterprises and national programmes that helped transform this vast stretch of land into a functioning and successful nation: power plants, a national railway, a public broadcaster, a nationwide postal service, coast-to-coast transportation infrastructure, strong public health care and education systems, a publicly owned pharmaceutical company that pioneered medical breakthroughs.”

Most of those public enterprises have been sold over the past decades by governments that were “under the illusion that we’re better off if we leave our economy and our lives in the hands of the private marketplace. We haven’t made these changes because of the inherent superiority of the marketplace or due to financial necessity”, writes McQuaig.

“Rather, we’ve made them because of the pressure exerted by powerful financial interests who have been keen to take over lucrative parts of our public domain so they can own them and milk them for profits”.

In the eight chapters of The Sport & Prey of Capitalism, the author recounts many of the earlier feats of public enterprise in Canada.

Those include the development of a massive cross-country railway network that catered not only for large urban centres, but also for tiny off-the-beaten-track communities that would never feature in the business plans of wealthy industrialists; and the creation of a public power generating company that harnessed the natural energy of the Niagara Falls to bring cheap electricity to Ontario at the beginning of the 20th-century.

After recounting the fights involved in creating these, and other, successes, McQuaig turns her attention to the disastrous effects of more recent politically motivated interventions.

Her strongest criticism is aimed at former Ontario Conservative premier Mike Harris’s selling of the almost-new Highway 407, the province’s highly profitable Toronto area toll road, to an international consortium for $3.1-billion in 1999, in an effort to balance the books for the upcoming election. The unbreakable 99-year lease he negotiated, described by McQuaig as “the worst deal of the century”, assured its new owners of billions of dollars in profits ($900-million in 2014 alone) from an asset that has since been valued at worth as much as $45-billion.

Compiling a sorry catalogue of ideologically-driven government ineptitude, the author also points to former Conservative PM Stephen Harper’s decision to gut railway safety regulations after taking office in 2011. At the same time, oil companies were switching to rail to transport their volatile product to east coast refineries, numbers rocketing from 500 railcar loads in 2009 to 160,000 in 2013.

The effect of those decisions was grimly predictable. In the early morning of July 6, 2013, a train carrying almost 10,000 tons of oil slipped its moorings at the top of a hill 11 kilometres from the Quebec town of Lac-Mégantic.

“The runaway train raced forward, reaching a speed of 105 kilometres”, writes McQuaig, before it “finally derailed at a curve in the track in the centre of Lac-Mégantic, engulfing the town and dozens of its people in a gigantic inferno. The fire soared to 1,650 degrees Celsius. Water streaming from firehoses simply evaporated in the scorching heat. There were no survivors. Everyone caught up in the flames in the little town died”.

The disaster, which killed 47 people, could have been much worse – the train had earlier passed through packed residential areas of Toronto.

Afterwards, the Harper government ignored calls for a public inquiry, leaving three railway workers to stand trial for criminal negligence. They were acquitted.

“Harper and his officials were never held accountable for their reckless deregulation. Nor were the greedy rail barons who pushed – and continue to push, mostly successfully – for relaxed safety laws”, adds McQuaig in a poignant postscript to the story.

There’s much more here for those who are concerned about the decaying trust between government and voters, including:

  • The rise and ultimate politically-motivated sale of Connaught Laboratory, a world-leading drugs company that developed a serum in 1913 to combat diphtheria, the main killer of children at the time, and later discovered insulin before helping eradicate smallpox. The company was sold by a Conservative government for $72-million in 1972; and
  • The government’s rejection of a 2013 plan to introduce public banking, using the thousands of post office branches throughout the country, to provide competition to the country’s Big Five banks. Those giant institutions are regularly accused of being more interested in expanding ever-bulging profit margins than serving low-income customers, who increasingly have to resort to payday loan sharks for their ‘banking’.

McQuaig ends with a call to action. We should, she urges, “consider not just resisting further privatisation, but actually expanding the public domain”, including public banking, a publicly owned pharmaceutical company “to provide generic drugs and other drugs rejected as insufficiently profitable by private industry.

“An expansion of the public domain should also include a national child care programme, and a universal pharmacare programme, as well as an expanded national infrastructure, which would be owned and operated by the people of Canada. All these innovations are possible, worthwhile, and within our reach.”

That’s sound advice for our political master, not only in Canada, but also the rest of the world. So, what are we waiting for, Mr Trudeau? And no more bailouts for the oil industry, eh!

Tony Sutton is the editor of ColdType. This article appeared in Issue 213 – www.coldtype.net

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Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Sep 7, 2020 9:15 PM

Just a Thought

Working-class tax dollars should guarantee certain essential services from governments interested in promoting a civilized humane society.  High quality free healthcare, a modern safe infrastructure, decent public education including free public college, and a sustainable energy program which doesn’t further jeopardize the environment are some of these vital functions.  

Whatever social safety nets were implemented in the US during the New Deal has rapidly eroded under the name of neoliberalism and austerity.  When you have a political duopoly controlled by the military/security/surveillance corporate state no genuine structural change can occur. This explains why the supposed opposition party–the Dems can only offer Joe Biden as the nominee a reactionary shill to Wall Street, the big banks, and the arms industry.  

Austerity and privatization of public works are two big problems facing all neoliberal Western Democracies.  Thirty years of intense neoliberal exploitation is about all populations can take before they rise-up and say they’ve had enough. And when that happens it’s time to declare a COVID pandemic……..

John the First
John the First
Sep 9, 2020 10:46 PM

“Working-class tax dollars”
The ideological jargon you employ is outdated. Everyone works these days, elites even are often work-aholics working more hours than average man. There are hardly any non working elites among modern low brow mentality governed society. Ideological cliches like ‘the hard working man’ and ‘working class’ are merely those historical ideological leftovers still run by politicians and outdated cliques.

Concerning infrastructure, the world is invaded by ‘infrastructure’ of many types. The infrastructure of roads has grown to a degree of it being cancerous, roads everywhere, and traffic everywhere, the terror of the holy cow, the car extending into all places. Modern technology infrastructure starts to extend to every corner of the earth , so that your ‘working class’, which actually is modern consumerist mass man can terrorize every corner with his toy, the mobile phone.

Neo-liberalism has no plans at all to deprive the people of infrastructure necessary for bread and play. And there exists already plenty of that. That they will advance it out of their own funds which by now, among other sources, are filled with the money from mass consumerism, the ‘taxes of consumerism’ willingly paid by the masses, makes little difference.

Concerning free public college, another outdated ideal, society currently is top heavy of the educated, this situation produces a growth of industries where the educated become merely a parasitism on society, and a societal burden, armies of the managerial class, armies of bureaucrats, armies of policy makers, armies of psychologists, armies of theorists of whatever kind, etc. The ideal of providing education to the people has been an old ideal which has been fulfilled, it need not be pushed blindly without re-evaluation of the greater context.

Your post, unfortunately, is a mix of outdated and modern ideological cliches.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Sep 10, 2020 2:04 AM
Reply to  John the First

An arrogant misinformed analysis.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 7, 2020 8:41 PM

I got the distinct impression from a couple of close interactions a couple of weeks ago, that the vast majority of UK Police, know this COVID stuff is a load of bollocks, and they seriously do not want to do this – interrogating people, and telling them they must put on a mask. You see they are being monitored too, and they do not know who they are being monitored by.

” We have got to be seen doing this job”

They don’t want to do this nonsense. They want to do their real jobs, but are not being allowed to.

Whoever is in control of this, are extremely powerful.

The other problem, which may be serious. I know nothing detailed about it, because it is not my business, should be properly investigated, and hopefully resolved tomorrow.

My view is backed up by a video on here today.

They looked embarrassed when asked.

“These things are not decided at our level”

The vast majority of police are good men and women, who try their best to do a good job, often under extremely difficult circumstances. I guess its a kind of vocation, pretty much the same, as being a nurse. They both have to deal with a hell of a lot of shit.

Not an easy job.

Tony

Penny
Penny
Sep 7, 2020 8:33 PM

I’m not a fan of Ms McQuaig any longer_ I’ve many of her books. Read them all and am in the process of donating them because they are limited hangout- As is her writing and her advice

““An expansion of the public domain should also include a national child care programme, and a universal pharmacare programme, as well as an expanded national infrastructure, which would be owned and operated by the people of Canada. All these innovations are possible, worthwhile, and within our reach.””

I’m not a supporter of a national child care programme- and believe better wages will provide options for child care to many parents. Or allow for a parent to stay with children.

A universal pharmacare programme is also not a desirable goal, because it would require a drugged populace. That is already the case and is disgusting. We need health care that considers real and true health- healthy food. Clean water. Less pharma intervention and a more interactive society ( community)

sorry Linda. But, your ship sailed long ago in my opinion.

RobG
RobG
Sep 7, 2020 7:43 PM

As the weeks and months go by this all gets madder and madder. For those unfamiliar, Anna Brees has put up a YouTube channel for people to say what they think.

I still remain optimistic about things, because this time round the psychopaths who rule us have way over-reached themselves.

My little half stray cat Herricka looks at me as though I’m mad when I dance around the apartment; but there again, cats can fend for themselves…

Simon
Simon
Sep 7, 2020 7:09 PM

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Simon
Simon
Sep 7, 2020 7:59 PM
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Simon
Simon
Sep 7, 2020 8:35 PM
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George Mc
George Mc
Sep 7, 2020 7:00 PM

How the BBC headlines tell the story:

·      Coronavirus: Lockdown restrictions extended in west of Scotland

·      Coronavirus: Young people breaking rules risk ‘second wave’

·      Coronavirus vaccine: When will we have one?

How odd that after all those months of lockdown and supposedly diminishing cases, the threat seems to be increased and the need for a saviour vaccine emphasised.

Meanwhile in “other” news:

“Phil Foden and Mason Greenwood are to leave the England camp after an “unacceptable” breach of coronavirus quarantine guidelines in Iceland. …According to reports in Icelandic and other media, Foden and Greenwood allegedly met two girls in a separate part of the hotel away from where the England team were staying.… “We had to decide very quickly that they couldn’t have any interaction with the rest of the team, ….Given the procedures that we have to follow now, they’ll have to travel back to England separately.””

Things are accelerating now. The scam must be speeded up to ensure that the controls are in place before the inevitable uprising can interfere.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 7, 2020 7:17 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Phil Foden, went to the same school as my two older brothers. Whilst I now have almost no interest in football, I can see that he can play.

Good on him. wtf has it got to do with anyone else, if he takes a girl back to his hotel room?

Why has his privacy been so outrageously breached?

He is only 20 years old now.

Shame on the gutter press, and I very much doubt they came from Iceland, more likely The Sun or The Daily Mail.

Tony

Hector'shouse
Hector'shouse
Sep 7, 2020 6:59 PM

It was claimed that Trump has no respect for the military personal. (Who can blame him) Is this the military telling trump they will not assist him during the election, like they did via the FBI like last time, or is it the other mafia families causing rifts between him and the military ?

We live in a time when the military may be calling the shots in US elections.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 7, 2020 6:18 PM

If you want to find out where you are on the Political Map, take the test. I have always found it very accurate, providing you are totally honest, and reply quickly.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/test

Hector'shouse
Hector'shouse
Sep 7, 2020 6:30 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Why would you need a test from some politically bias body ? don’t you know?

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 7, 2020 6:35 PM
Reply to  Hector'shouse

Why not try it and find out, or do you already have a closed mind, and are so arrogant, that you already know you are correct, and know that the test originates from a politically bias body.

Hector'shouse
Hector'shouse
Sep 7, 2020 6:55 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

”Closed mind” ”arrogant,” ? You let others tell you what your politics are, I know my own politics, thanks, I don’t need anyone to tell me. All bodies are bias, why would I trust anyone?

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 7, 2020 7:30 PM
Reply to  Hector'shouse

You ask why “would I trust anyone?”

cos trust is the basis of all human relationships. Ask the shopkeeper who puts much of his stuff outside, on display, throughout the entire world. The vast majority of people everywhere are honest, and they don’t steal from him.

Sad you don’t realise that.

Tony

God
God
Sep 7, 2020 10:25 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

You disappoint, the clever tony is clearly not on duty tonight.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Sep 7, 2020 10:54 PM
Reply to  God

get a grip.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Sep 7, 2020 6:54 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Looks like a form that a corporate fascist “think tank” hack would generate to set the limits/boundaries of political discussion.

How Pavlovian. Human beings are not canines.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Sep 7, 2020 10:54 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Thanks, that was cool Tony, I enjoyed it. I would broadly agree with the result as well. Marginally left of centre libertarian. I’m fairly happy with that.

Hector'shouse
Hector'shouse
Sep 7, 2020 6:15 PM

Fictor
 Sep 7, 2020 6:14 PM
Awaiting for approval

  The CIA are working very hard to strip the real-left of their well deserved reputation for caring about the populations well being. Their liberty, their rights and financial solvency. The deep state have created a new-left, which is an annoying, a spineless, non-political party, obsessed only with decorative politics, with irrelevant annoying issues, around gender and race and the goal of pushing our further impoverishment us via The War on the Carbon units (us). 
  The real-left, the economic-left, have been banished and made a criminal concern, threatened and cowered in the corner, and many will be murdered or imprisoned before the decade is out. You can see by looking at the fear on the faces of the committed politicians, like Corbyn and even Keir Starmer, that they are witnessing this far-right coup from inside. 
  The CIA intend handing the prize of truthfulness and good causes, of freedom and liberty, to the far right, they as the CIA’s political wing and will be seen as the heroes the champions of freedom and justice and the American way.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Sep 9, 2020 4:41 PM
Reply to  Hector'shouse

This is a very important comment. The more astute here recognize that both the “right” and “left” are highly co-opted entities anymore. Yet, there has been more room for questioning the Covid narrative on the right. With the exception of Off-G, the “left” that should be fighting the massive damage that the lockdown is inflicting on working people, and then of course, “the Great Reset” designed to permanently corral the working class into obedience and servitude is nowhere in sight. The “right” has always been the plutocrats’ playground, they own the sandbox and control the toys inside. Where appropriate, continue making this point!

Fictor
Fictor
Sep 7, 2020 6:14 PM

  The CIA are working very hard to strip the real-left of their well deserved reputation for caring about the populations well being. Their liberty, their rights and financial solvency. The deep state have created a new-left, which is an annoying, a spineless, non-political party, obsessed only with decorative politics, with irrelevant annoying issues, around gender and race and the goal of pushing our further impoverishment us via The War on the Carbon units (us). 

  The real-left, the economic-left, have been banished and made a criminal concern, threatened and cowered in the corner, and many will be murdered or imprisoned before the decade is out. You can see by looking at the fear on the faces of the committed politicians, like Corbyn and even Keir Starmer, that they are witnessing this far-right coup from inside. 

  The CIA intend handing the prize of truthfulness and good causes, of freedom and liberty, to the far right, they as the CIA’s political wing and will be seen as the heroes the champions of freedom and justice and the American way.

Simon
Simon
Sep 7, 2020 6:12 PM

Stay home, stay safe.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 7, 2020 6:40 PM
Reply to  Simon

Cultural appropriation, mate (it’s was a joke, it was just a joke… ;-(

Simon
Simon
Sep 7, 2020 7:39 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Starmaker
Starmaker
Sep 7, 2020 6:11 PM

The CIA are working very hard to strip the real-left of their well deserved reputation for caring about the populations well being. Their liberty, their rights and financial solvency. The deep state have created a new-left, which is an annoying, a spineless, non-political party, obsessed only with decorative politics, with irrelevant annoying issues, around gender and race and the goal of pushing our further impoverishment us via The War on the Carbon units (us).

The real-left, the economic-left, have been banished and made a criminal concern, threatened and cowered in the corner, and many will be murdered or imprisoned before the decade is out. You can see by looking at the fear on the faces of the committed politicians, like Corbyn and even Keir Starmer, that they are witnessing this far-right coup from inside.

The CIA intend handing the prize of truthfulness and good causes, of freedom and liberty, to the far right, they as the CIA’s political wing and will be seen as the heroes the champions of freedom and justice and the American way.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 7, 2020 4:45 PM

UK Column News – 7th September 2020

PIERS CORBYN ARREST
Charged with organizing illegal gathering, not wearing a mask in a shop, and defying corona regulations

This arrest was arbitrary and unlawful and did not follow the regulations. These specify that an arrest can only be effected if the conditions in s24 PACE 1984 apply – which they did not. The police then tried to justify the arrest by saying it had been dont to “prevent me causing physical injury to myself or another person”.

I have been bailed on condition not to attend any illegal protest of more than 30 people anywhere in the UK. I will challenge that condition as it allows the police to arrest me pretty much on sight at any protest.

Police again arrested Piers Corbyn and this time imprisoned him at a Sheffield protest against lockdowns. A week ago he was fined 10,000 pounds. The event began peacefully but police became aggressive when they could not reach Corbyn. Protesters chanted NAZI and ‘choose your side’ and ‘shame on you’.

As protesters tried to shield the 73-year-old scientist, police waded in to seize him. One protester fell ill requiring CPR but could not receive mouth-to-mouth resuscitation. Because of the plandemic, police now have abandoned effective CPR medical procedures that work.

UKC David Scott: Why did police risk turning the protest violent? Why the need to wrestle Mr Corbyn – why not go to his home the next day?

BLM PROTESTS
A great clip of video – A British woman asks police why they are not intervening in a nearby BLM protest. (at 19:50 https://youtu.be/qgq5NsMqxS8?t=1190 ) She asked officers why that protest was allowed while the anti-mask protests were not? Why didn’t the BLM protestors face a 10,000 pounds fine like the organizer of the anti-mask protest? Why do policing actions vary according to the politics of the target?

In the video the police are silent and uneasy. They stand accused of failing to uphold the law and implementing political suppression. Finally one constable replies: It is not a decision that is taken at our level.

In another clip, an activist, FrackMan, bumps into the Chief Constable of the Metropolitan police and asks Cressida Dick why she is not wearing a mask. She remains silent. (at 23.20

)Sullen Cressida Dick is a coward. She is also a Common Purpose drone, which is the next item we’ll turn to.

POLICE BRAINWASHED
At a protest in Dover, England, over the increasing flow of illegal migration by sea, police aggressively attacked the leaders of the protesters. One of those attacked was a former serviceman and YouTuber known as Little Veteran. David Scott called it a feral attack, going after those who are rallying points.

The police have been desensitized so they regard target individuals within the public as no longer human. This is very dangerous applied psychology. Signs of this emerged 15 years ago when spouses reported that the personality of their police partners had changed after supposed diversity training.

Former police officer George Elvige Tweeted: “I can remember when I was proud to say I had served as a police officer. Now it’s something I should keep to myself and try to forget.” The retired officer accompanied his Tweet with two photographs: of a veteran who had just been beaten up by police; the other of an officer “taking the knee” to BLM.

A picture tells a thousand words: police have been reframed to genuflect to the BLM agenda. Yet they have been desensitized so they can attack pregnant women and tackle pensioners to the ground for not wearing masks

DIVERSITY TRAINING AS MIND BENDING
Police aggression is becoming less of a mystery. Most of them have gone through diversity training.

One of the trainers, Equality & Diversity UK says: “Carrot not a stick: challenging attitudes towards diversity and equality without being confrontational, so that participants question their own beliefs, assumptions and behaviour.”

Yet police come out of this training more aggressive than they went in. The behave like attack dogs when the state tells them to go after targeted individuals.

BTW: Cost of training: 795 pounds per person per day. These organizations which support the anti-capitalist BLM are making 10s if not 100s of millions of pounds from diversity training. Nice cult. Sorry, work, if you can get it.

Express: Civil Servants ‘wasting taxpayer cash’ being ‘brainwashed’ with unconscious bias training.
Andrew Bridgen MP: “It is all about entrenching certain attitudes and preparing people for so called positive discrimination which of course in itself is discrimination.”
Keir Starmer recently said the whole of the Labour Party would undergo such training.

Me: Is diversity training being used as cover for another type of psychological reframing or behavoural insight training? How is it that police who undergo diversity training are reported by their spouses to have a marked increase in aggression?

Read more: From Magic To Madness – The Government’s NLP Assault on Our Minds
https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/magic-madness-governments-nlp-assault-our-minds

MUZZLES
At a UK protest the police chief had to take his mask off in order to speak to the crowd. Clearly he found the mask to be a muzzle.

In Australia, police are putting masks on people during arrest – as if a few moments without a mask will kill everyone. They also handcuffed a man who was wrongfully arrested for not wearing a mask when he had an exemption.

LATEST SLOGANS
BoJo PM Tweets to the people as of they had the mental age of three. His latest mask slogan: ‘On means on’.
UKC: ‘No means no’.

Digital posters in Northern England scream CORONAVIRUS ALERT: THIS IS A HIGH RISK AREA. And underneath, the slogan: Wash Hands, Cover Face, Make Space

SCOTTISH PROTESTS
Holyrood gathering, Sep 5th, attracted about 2000 people (BBC said 400) who listened to Dolores Cahill among others. Peaceful, happy, social event.

BBC REGIME CHANGE
Former BBC Media Action, Juliette Harkin: We worked in 2004 with individuals within the Syrian ministry who wanted change and tried to get them to be drivers of that.”

This is BBC Media Action which received 49 million pounds from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. This is BMA whose staffer is under arrest in Iran accused of espionage activities, but who asserts she is just a journalist.

The UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office paid almost 450,000 pounds to BBC Media Action in one month, April 2020.

The FCO’s Wendy Morton says it’s doubling its spending on independent media and human rights groups to counter gender-based violence and ensure a thriving media as a powerful tool countering disinformation.

QUOTE FOR THE DAY   

A substantial number of people still do not feel sufficiently personally threatened… The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased among those who are complacent, using hard-hitting emotional messaging.

– Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE), March 2020

MEME OF THE DAY

The quicker I give all my rights away, the quicker I will get them all back.. said the person who never read one history book in their entire life.

UK Column News – 7th September 2020
https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-7th-september-2020

Jester
Jester
Sep 7, 2020 5:28 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

I can tell you why the policing is different. The BLM movement is a civil rights movement, there is a strong history of most politicians today being on-side with civil rights movements. They all worship ML King and so they should, he was a great man. The BLM movement may not be the flavor of civil rights you like, because it concerns the well being of the black population, but that is essentially what it is, so I understand the reluctance to stamp down on such movements.

The fact that unlike historical civil rights movements this one is especially harmless to the state because it is being misdirected, hijacked and misled is not an issue in the wider public’s mine, but well known to those in power who have infiltrated it, and another good reason why the state will not challenge their demonstrations. It also look like we have a democracy where people can protest.

The anti mask moment on the other hand, regrettably, has been successfully hijacked by the far-right. I am not allowed to be anti-mask, anti-’Covid’, unless I am sharing a platform with the far right, like ‘UK Collumn’. The agencies are funneling all those (me) that oppose the Covid response into that far-right political bunker. And the mainstream media are telling everyone to be wary of theses far-right deviants.

That is why this is happening and it is not as black and white as you would like.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 7, 2020 5:34 PM
Reply to  Jester

BLM is in diametric opposition to everything MLK stood for. As I explained here.

https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/24/covid-19-has-turned-public-health-into-a-patient-killing-experiment/#comment-196371

Jester
Jester
Sep 7, 2020 5:44 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

They are a modern take on MLK but essentially a civil rights movement. I think your real problem is you don’t really care about black civil rights. I doubt it is something you ever discuss.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 7, 2020 6:41 PM
Reply to  Jester

Seems to me that you too are incredibly useful to the state.

Hector'shouse
Hector'shouse
Sep 7, 2020 7:00 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Really how?

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 7, 2020 7:43 PM
Reply to  Hector'shouse

Divide and rule.

And if you find that “equally uninformative” I can supply the pre-school easy version.

God
God
Sep 7, 2020 10:26 PM
Reply to  George Mc

OK so nobody can disagree now or it is ‘divide and rule’. Maybe you are just wrong.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 8, 2020 8:44 AM
Reply to  God

Well I wouldn’t want to disagree with “God” (and that’s an interesting moniker). But it’s becoming increasingly obvious that there is only one division that counts: class. Everything else (race, religion, culture etc) is relatively superficial. and that is why the ruling class are so anxious to talk about those other issues. In the end, it’s easy to make a bit more space at the top for some blacks, yellows, gays etc. But the power structure never changes.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 7, 2020 5:45 PM
Reply to  Jester

Jester “far-right” – utter bollocks.

Hector'shouse
Hector'shouse
Sep 7, 2020 6:18 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

The far-right are trying to own the anti-covid movement I don’t see why you would disagree with that. Where do you think this sites political affections lay?

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 7, 2020 6:30 PM
Reply to  Hector'shouse

This site’s political affections seem to lay, pretty much the same as mine.

Where do yours lie?

Why not take the test.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/

Hector'shouse
Hector'shouse
Sep 7, 2020 7:04 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Are you getting people to fill out their own CIA file with that site, you keep pushing.

Reading the articles, their affections are with US Alt-right. I do not share your love of the US alt-right.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 7, 2020 6:41 PM
Reply to  Jester

BLM is not “harmless to the state”. It is incredibly useful to the state.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Sep 7, 2020 11:01 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Tobias Ellwood of the 77th Brigade gave them a glowing endorsement.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 7, 2020 6:17 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

To summarise: protest is not allowed in the UK.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 7, 2020 6:59 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Just heard a story about police brutality at an anti-lockdown gathering in Sheffield, Yorkshire by StandUpX.

Apparently, a protestor from Leeds, (Rob Haigh?) was piled on by police leading him to collapse. He was rushed to intensive care where his heart has since stopped. My thoughts are with him and his family.

I’ve never been afraid of coronavirus. I am however, terrified of the Government’s response to it.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 7, 2020 7:10 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

This video title suggests there was a man who died. The video is quite disturbing for the gulf between police and community. The police also fail to respond quickly when the man appears to be in severe distress (at 7 minutes)

Ort
Ort
Sep 7, 2020 9:26 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Sad and appalling. And this will probably be officially counted as another “COVID death”.

Tony
Tony
Sep 8, 2020 9:37 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

He had to be revived when his heart stopped after he got up from the floor and sat down holding his head after being assaulted by police officers. The last I heard, he’s recovering in hospital.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 7, 2020 4:16 PM

Re: the Newsguard reference below (my comment is awaiting moderation but I’m too exicted to wait):

https://www.mintpressnews.com/newsguardneocon-backed-fact-checker-plans-to-wage-war-on-independent-media/253687/

“As MintPress News Editor-in-Chief Mnar Muhawesh recently wrote, MintPress was informed that it was under review by an organization called Newsguard Technologies, which described itself to MintPress as simply a “news rating agency” and asked Muhawesh to comment on a series of allegations, several of which were blatantly untrue. However, further examination of this organization reveals that it is funded by and deeply connected to the U.S. government, neo-conservatives, and powerful monied interests, all of whom have been working overtime since the 2016 election to silence dissent to American forever-wars and corporate-led oligarchy.

More troubling still, Newsguard — by virtue of its deep connections to government and Silicon Valley — is lobbying to have its rankings of news sites installed by default on computers in U.S. public libraries, schools, and universities as well as on all smartphones and computers sold in the United States.

In other words, as Newsguard’s project advances, it will soon become almost impossible to avoid this neocon-approved news site’s ranking systems on any technological device sold in the United States. Worse still, if its efforts to quash dissenting voices in the U.S. are successful, Newsguard promises that its next move will be to take its system global.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 7, 2020 6:37 PM
Reply to  George Mc

The true upshot here (as I tried to explain to one appropriately named “jester” below) is that Skwawkbox, a website billed by the MSM as “Left”, is proud to display its little gold badge of approval from an arm of the establishment Ministry of Truth. Thus is the entire game revealed.

John the First
John the First
Sep 9, 2020 11:22 PM
Reply to  George Mc

“is lobbying to have its rankings of news sites installed by default on computers in U.S. public libraries, schools, and universities as well as on all smartphones and computers sold in the United States.

Since Windows 8, (and possibly also other operating systems), the operating systems have been no longer relatively neutral, they are all saturated with cloud services and in built means of directing the public to the channels of mainstream propaganda, the main services for mass consumerism, and the main services for easy payments. Even the open source browser Firefox on installation directly shows tiles from Youtube, Facebook, Amazon, Ebay, Paypal, Ebooking etc. Almost all browsers do that, so to direct the people towards the channels of mainstream propaganda, the consumerist to where his pockets can be emptied, and the means of how to do this easily (payment systems).In short, it is already going on for many years, already a default.

Concerning ‘brainwashing’ by media, in general, at the advent and the times preceding democracy, the dictation of reality by media and it phantasmagorical presentation of reality has been installed and supported by the people themselves. So that the people are dealing with the monster they have created themselves.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 7, 2020 3:53 PM

It took me a while but I think I’ve found a website dumber than the WSWS: Skwawkbox. Look here:

https://skwawkbox.org/2020/06/22/newsguard-renews-skwawkboxs-100-trustworthiness-rating/

They are so honoured to be found trustworthy by “Newsguard”.

Note the comment below by one “Paul”:

“I don’t think there is a site so tolerant as this one. Moderations are ordered by the publisher Word Press often incorrectly. SB intervenes on your behalf it that happens. Compare it to a site like Off-Guardian where moderation is very common and the Administrators interfere in the argument constantly.”

Very rarely I would say.

“Every comment I make there is moderated however inconsequential and you wait 8 hours for it to appear.”

I’ve never found that.

“My offence originally was doubting the posters who in mid April were saying it was all a hoax and nobody was dying (yes about April 8th when hospitals in NW London were having. to close their doors).”

Oh well closed doors prove it’s all real!

“The Virus Deniers are like those who deny climate change or the Holocaust, fundamentalists of an extreme kind. Their few representatives on this site are left alone.”

Ah there’s that witch hunt word “deniers”. Good old reversal of the burden of proof.

Naturally OffG gets a rough deal from Newsguard:

https://www.newsguardtech.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Off-Guardian.pdf

The biggest giveaway – as so often – is the topic of 9/11:

“The site has also published false information on non-medical topics. For example, a September 2019 article, “Why 9/11 matters in 2019,” described the media and public as “brainwashed” for failing to adequately question “9/11 itself” and “The official explanation… that Moslem terrorists somehow confounded all the usual security procedures and ‘attacked America’ because they ‘hated our freedoms’.””

Mustn’t question the skyscraper dissolving hatred of “our freedoms”!

And Swawkbox is proud to be given a nice little pat on the head from this official kangaroo court. “Good doggie! Well Done!” 

Jester
Jester
Sep 7, 2020 5:45 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Does anyone understand what this crap means.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 7, 2020 6:33 PM
Reply to  Jester

It means that an ostensible Left site is looking for approval from a neocon outfit. And that tells you all you need to know about the mainstream left/right divide. (Hope that wasn’t too crappy for you!)

Hector'shouse
Hector'shouse
Sep 7, 2020 7:08 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Equally uninformative.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 7, 2020 7:42 PM
Reply to  Hector'shouse

Oh well – are you comfortable? Then let us begin.

There is a website.
It is called “Skwawkbox”.
It is a Left website.
It is on the Left.

There is another website.
It is called Newsguard.
It is run by people who are well on the Right.
It says that Skwawkbox is good.

Oh dear – something seems amiss here!

If you are puzzled then try reading this again.

If you still don’t understand it then it is not for you.

You need something else to read.

Something that will make you happy!

John the First
John the First
Sep 9, 2020 11:49 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I do have to say that your original post, and the way it was composed makes sense for highly politicized people, since not all people join in that madness to the same extent, some introductory descriptions could make the madness more easily comprehensible.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 7, 2020 3:29 PM

What do animals know that we don’t?
British police horses sidestep rainbow crossing. Report them. Arrest them.
https://youtu.be/h3slnJrrXJg

Jester
Jester
Sep 7, 2020 5:05 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Is the horse perhaps as thick and bigoted as you? Why do you hate that people unlike you, are free from oppression. One day you will need people to stand up for your freedom, so be careful who you victimize.

Simon
Simon
Sep 7, 2020 5:18 PM
Reply to  Jester

It’s the white patch on the cycle lane. https://youtu.be/4i6S0z5Z1cw

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 7, 2020 5:20 PM
Reply to  Jester

Oh dear me. So quick you are to make assumptions about other people.

Do you know if I am referring to the rainbow as the part of the Covid psyop. That is why the rainbow crossing is there.

Has it occurred to you to wonder why the UN chose the rainbow? Maybe the UN chose the rainbow for Operation Covid because it inoculates them against criticism.

Hint: that’s why so any people like political correctness. It shuts down criticism.

Because the UN knew the Covid Rainbow could not be criticised without triggering a backlash. Criticize the UN on Covid and you’re a homophobe as well as a germophobe. Criticize transhumanism and you’re a transphobe. Criticize technocracy and you’re a climate denier.

Shame you can’t spot the manipulation.

Simon
Simon
Sep 7, 2020 5:40 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Your link doesn’t say anything about the UN. It says “The trend, which is believed to have started in Italy, has caught up with residents in America and Europe too.”

Simon
Simon
Sep 7, 2020 5:58 PM
Reply to  Simon

Print and put in your windows, noticeboards etc. Use their own symbolism against them. This vaccine will be the worst one yet. #VaccinesWork to harm and enslave you #SaveOurChildren

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https://twitter.com/Charbrevolution/status/1301893186055548928/photo/1

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 7, 2020 6:30 PM
Reply to  Simon

There has been nothing organic about the plandemic from day one. If you think the clap for health workers was grassroots… the Reuters video of a guy leaning out his window in March, shouting “flatten the curve”… and some kid in Italy painting a rainbow and it spreads around the world (as if it wasn’t already a trope for hope).

UN has repeatedly linked the rainbow to Covid as a metaphor for bringing relief to the sick and occasionally invoking LGBT to promote its Covid efforts and the Great Reset… “Some day, tiddly tum pom pom”… The reality is that the UN has agendas and it promotes them by linking them up. 

UN Response to COVID-19 in Sri Lanka
Framework for Response to COVID-19 in Madagascar
Being the rainbow in someone’s cloud: delivering medical services
UN attempts to exploit COVID-19 to push abortion
You may be for, against or indifferent but the link is there.

Jester
Jester
Sep 7, 2020 5:51 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

I really wish people like you would stay in the garden pulling up weeds, doing something useful rather than pretending, since brexit that you have a clue about politics, economics or even history. You are so out of your dept, that you are picking up every piece of useless junk, that some equality ill informed you-tuber throws in your spongy head.

Tony
Tony
Sep 8, 2020 9:47 AM
Reply to  Jester

Why anybody engages with this pillock is one of life’s great mysteries. He uses about half-a-million aliases a day, but he’s easily recognisable: ‘everything’s the US alphabet agencies’ fault; said agencies all support Trump and the far right; globalism doesn’t exist. ‘

Best way to deal with him is to simply tell him to fuck off.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 7, 2020 7:02 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

horses are neither stupid, nor colour blind. their vision is extremely good, with a very wide field of vision. they do not see colours exactly the same as us, but its not that different. their vision defends them from predators who want to eat them. cats aren’t complely colour blind either, though horses can probably see better, cos they have much bigger eyes.

Geoff
Geoff
Sep 7, 2020 5:35 PM
Reply to  Jester

Who will that be the army? ha ha ha we’ll see how well that goes shortly won’t we

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 7, 2020 9:22 PM
Reply to  Jester

Moneycircus is not saying the horse is bigoted. The real reason it avoided the crossing is probably due to it simply being scared of seeing unusual colours. Nevertheless, it is apt in a metaphorical way. It would be nice to think the horse smelled the whole COVID/rainbow/”keep safe” mantra as the biggest rat of all time.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Sep 7, 2020 11:04 PM
Reply to  Jester

Triggered much? I thought it was quite funny.

Edwige
Edwige
Sep 7, 2020 3:22 PM

Smart cities as funded by Bloomberg among others:

https://www.c40.org/

Knock me down with a feather that Melbourne and Auckland (and Portland) happen to be among them.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 7, 2020 3:18 PM

The COVID19 pandemic is demonstrating what we all know: millennia of patriarchy have resulted in a male-dominated world with a male-dominated culture which damages everyone – women, men, girls & boys.

This is the time to rebuild more equal, inclusive and resilient societies.

—- Antonio Guterres, United Nations Secretary General.
 https://bit.ly/2G8Rqh3

Imagine a man who forced his wife to stay away from her friends, family and job. Imagine he also told her she should not leave the house unless absolutely necessary, and to cover her face and avoid people if she does go out. Imagine he threatened here with punishment if she didn’t submit. Would you call this abusive?

It does not stop being abuse when the government does it.

— Social media meme in response
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdaDBFhWkAEawwy?format=jpg&name=small

Simon
Simon
Sep 7, 2020 3:23 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 7, 2020 4:56 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Guterres the leftist may be simplifying:
“According to the United Nations, the “millennia of patriarchy” which gave us, among many other things, the Greek and Roman philosophers, Christianity, the Taj Mahal, Habeas Corpus, the art of the Renaissance, the collected works of Shakespeare and Goethe, Johann Sebastian Bach, penicillin, central heating, air conditioning, the internal combustion engine, and space travel, have actually been damaging to “everyone”. Also, according to the UN, “we all” know this… The UN was established in the aftermath of the Second World War to “promote international peace and security”. One of its subsidiary purposes, according to its two founding Articles, is:

“…promoting and encouraging respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion.”

How does picking on men and blaming them for everything that is wrong square with that particular clause?”

James Delingpole, https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/09/07/everything-bad-in-history-was-mens-fault-claims-the-united-nations/

Howard
Howard
Sep 7, 2020 3:06 PM

Can’t speak to the Canadian situation, but here in the US for as long as I can remember public workers – especially in the maintenance field – have been bad mouthed as an unnecessary waste of taxpayer money.

Perfect set up for getting the gullible taxpayers to go along with every privatization scheme that comes down the pike.

Simon
Simon
Sep 7, 2020 2:58 PM

Ottawa Canada saw Canadian citizens band together in solidarity against the out of control Canadian government!. This Video is an Inspiration and Motivational montage of what happened that day, and is hoped to contribute to the growing passion and fire in the hearts of free men and women, to fight for their god given freedoms when evil threatens to take them away. Creating this Montage of footage i captured whilst attending was surprisingly emotional. In fact, i was further shocked when the emotion hit me hard enough that i had to stop editting and cry for a while. We are in very very troubling times, and it is my hope that humanity wakes up before it’s too late

RNAsplicer
RNAsplicer
Sep 7, 2020 2:41 PM

The public domain is the one who banned HCQ prescriptions in the US.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 7, 2020 4:59 PM
Reply to  RNAsplicer
RNAsplicer
RNAsplicer
Sep 7, 2020 5:51 PM

Ok, it is 50/50, public domain/industry, if we ignore for just a moment the state and local governments enforcing it.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 7, 2020 2:30 PM

Dismayed to see intelligent people fall for Pharma’s PR tactics; that the coronavirus vaccines can be trusted because they’re not-for-profit.

Since when did the milk of human kindness flow through Pharma’s vampiric veins?

From the article linked below:

“This is a unique situation where we as a company simply cannot take the risk if in… four years the vaccine is showing side effects,” said Ruud Dobber, a member of AstraZeneca’s senior executive team, as quoted by Reuters. “In the contracts we have in place, we are asking for indemnification. For most countries it is acceptable to take that risk on their shoulders because it is in their national interest.”

https://www.europeanpharmaceuticalreview.com/news/125517/astrazeneca-receives-protection-from-covid-19-vaccine-liability-claims-report-says/

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 7, 2020 5:06 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

Governments also fall for such PR tactics, especially when boosted by the WHO (whose single biggest funder after Trump pulled the USA out is now Bill Gates). Look at idiot Boris for a homely example, with his expert advice committees stuffed with industry insiders. Were big pharma honest about HCQ, there would be no need nor market for their vaccines, and most likely no mass deaths nor lockdown either.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 7, 2020 1:13 PM

Satire?

Spanish doctors hope beach trips can help ICU virus patients – AP, Sep 5, 2020
— sunshine and fresh air have shocking results

“Since restarting the program in early June, doctors said that even 10 minutes at the beach seems to improve a patient’s well-being. The team wants to take this anecdotal evidence further, and see whether such outdoor trips can help in the mid- and long-term recovery of COVID-19 patients.”

‘The strictest in Europe’: how Spain dealt with the lockdown
Silent trauma of children facing the strictest lockdown in Europe
Spain sets new post-lockdown record for daily coronavirus cases
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George Mc
George Mc
Sep 7, 2020 1:22 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Looks like an excellent way of squandering staff, time and resources to fuck up the health services.

Hector'shouse
Hector'shouse
Sep 7, 2020 6:27 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Not the National health service, it’s The National Covid service.

Simon
Simon
Sep 7, 2020 1:44 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

It’s not exactly anecdotal when there is a huge body of evidence on the effects of vitamin D deficiency. All the sea side resorts were created on this knowledge back when they built the railways. The thing that doesn’t have any science to support it is the claim there is a novel virus called covid-19.

Voz 0db
Voz 0db
Sep 7, 2020 1:59 PM
Reply to  Simon

It seems George is one of these!

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It’s funny how is it possible that these “doctors” are still learning about Vitamins and Minerals and their function in the hUman Body?!

Guess this missed all the classes about Vit&Min!

Simon
Simon
Sep 7, 2020 3:10 PM
Reply to  Voz 0db

Allopaths don’t have the first clue about health. It is like going to a wrecking yard to get your car fixed.

Howard
Howard
Sep 7, 2020 3:03 PM
Reply to  Simon

I’ve said all along the Vitamin D connection goes a long way to explaining why more men than women come down with the virus (if it even exists). It’s because women have taken Vitamin D for years to help protect against Osteoporosis.

BTW, I bet there aren’t too many adds any long advising women to take Vitamin D for Osteoporosis.

Simon
Simon
Sep 7, 2020 4:19 PM
Reply to  Howard

The germ theory is very harmful. There is night shift workers that could be predominantly male. Differences in fashion like women are more likely to wear skirts unless they are in some religious group or for some other reason covered up. There is dietery differences in cultures, spending power and gender making fortification biased. The idea with gender is to make men think women are treated favourably so that they think they are ok and do not protect them when really females are the prime target of the cult since they bare children.

https://gynocentrism.com/

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 7, 2020 2:32 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Imagine if the mask is making him worse.

Human stupidity knows no bounds.

Hector'shouse
Hector'shouse
Sep 7, 2020 6:26 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Just jab them with vitamin D.

martin
martin
Sep 7, 2020 12:37 PM

There was a longish section on SBS News tonight (Australia) featuring Julian Assange’s partner with two children. I had supposed Assange to be genuine but I was surprised that this item was so prolonged and clearly set up as a tear jerker. At one point in the interview quite by accident Julian himself calls up. She takes the call and is nearly overcome but struggles bravely with her emotions. Then there was lots of Julian looking cool and debonair outside the embassy window.

What’s the likelihood in the light of TV coverage of others trying to take back control?

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Sep 7, 2020 12:28 PM

spreading all over the world!

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 7, 2020 12:23 PM

Will OG leave my posts up today, so I can add to the debate? Or will it practice censorship and silence critical thinking and questions, like the Graun does?

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 7, 2020 1:02 PM

I think you can rest assured that OffG will leave up your posts so you can continue to pontificate about how your posts are being removed instead of “adding to the debate” which you hardly ever do.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 7, 2020 3:46 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I have challenged your opinions, not insulted you. Insults show fear or absence of arguments, they can contribute to hate, but never to debate. No united resistance, open minds or progress are possible if you treat critical thinking as a threat and insult those who don’t share your views. Oppressive governments also silence critical opinions.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 7, 2020 7:47 PM

You’ve left the left and joined the non sequitur club.

Geoff
Geoff
Sep 7, 2020 5:41 PM
Reply to  George Mc

ha ha ha ha ha ha

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 7, 2020 2:34 PM

I could wallpaper my home with your posts complaining of censorship.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 7, 2020 3:52 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

At least you saw them before they got removed. Here’s another to help your wallpapering: My posts comparing capitalism favourably to socialism tend to go first, especially the point about socialism requiring politicians and laws to coerce the workers into sharing the fruits of their labour, while capitalism requires no coercion nor politicians to operate. Blasphemy to leftists, that one.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 7, 2020 5:08 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

My responses to these posters’ insults have again been deleted, but not the insults. Maybe you should accept my criticism of OG is true.

Geoff
Geoff
Sep 7, 2020 5:42 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

ha ha ha ha ha well put

John Pretty
John Pretty
Sep 7, 2020 11:06 PM

It happens automatically from time to time. It happens to us all. Don’t take it personally.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 7, 2020 10:48 AM

I tried to access OfG directly and was told “Database Error”. I then went through your Twitter page and found a warning that “this website could be dangerous”. The net tightens.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 7, 2020 8:54 AM

This is what Bolshevism looks like!

Protesters in Rochester NY are “shutting down restaurants”, tables are broken, people running off
BUZZ NEWS

Simon
Simon
Sep 7, 2020 9:24 AM

Controlled opposition ‘antivaxers’ keep posting this stuff to deflect attention from the racist nature of the covid cult who are actually killing people on a massive scale with their germ theory.
https://vitamindwiki.com/Chart+of+Vitamin+D+levels+vs+race+-+April+2013

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 7, 2020 12:29 PM
Reply to  Simon

I’d like to challenge this opinion, but OG is finding my critical thinking a tad too critical, so deletes my posts. I hope you reject this oppression like I do, Simon.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 7, 2020 9:42 AM

Notice the television cameraman at the end – cool as cucumber, no head protection, safe in his role as cheerleader for the choreographed agitation.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 7, 2020 12:36 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

570 violent BLM riots over 3 months takes a LOT of choreography. But I’m sure OG won’t let this post and link bother you for long…

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/06/data-48-of-americas-50-largest-cities-hit-by-black-lives-matter-riots/

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 7, 2020 3:54 PM

None of my posts survived this long at the weekend. Good news for more diversity of critical opinion.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Sep 7, 2020 11:08 PM

I’ve just read a ton of them. Most of them moaning about being censored.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 7, 2020 10:50 AM

Can’t be Bolshevism if they’re just doing what the authorities want them to do.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 7, 2020 12:37 PM
Reply to  George Mc

But is the government paying them? 570 violent protests over 3 months, says Princeton University. That’s a lot of protestors to pay.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/06/data-48-of-americas-50-largest-cities-hit-by-black-lives-matter-riots/

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 7, 2020 1:08 PM

First, I reckon the govt has access to any amount of money – but more to the point, they hardly need to pay every one. They will already have operators working within each organisation.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 7, 2020 4:00 PM
Reply to  George Mc

You seriously believe Trump orders payments to Antifa and BLM to destroy and terrorise US cities? To believe you, I’d need some serious evidence. There’s plenty online that Soros and woke corporations fund BLM and others. Jack Dempsey of Twitter certainly does, while censoring various Trump tweets but not those celebrating BLM violence.

https://thedonald.win/p/HEbnwzyR/jack-dorsey-has-donations-to-blm/c/

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 7, 2020 7:51 PM

I doubt if Trump orders anything. His job is to stand at the front and hypnotise with his strangely waving hair.

ame
ame
Sep 7, 2020 2:44 PM

they are paying people up to 1000$ to have the bs19 test and several thousands for other testing and in the u.k they are paying people and you can have up to 14 in a year test paid,.imagine a virus so deadly they paying people to see they got it
there is endless money pots like this for politically medical religious
they are even paying low level scum x z celebs

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-government-paid-reality-tv-stars-to-promote-nhs-test-and-trace-12059587

ironic breitbart is government and cooperation funded and moaning about other government cooperation funded psyop like them posted by a person with up to 3/4 icon on a site screaming discrimination

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 7, 2020 4:06 PM
Reply to  ame

Where’s your evidence that corporations and government fund Breitbart? Here’s some that big tech CEOS are funding ‘the resistance’ to Trump and democratic government (Dorsey in this case):

https://thedonald.win/p/HEbnwzyR/jack-dorsey-has-donations-to-blm/c/

And here’s some more about how the corrupt DC establishment and neo-cons, the military industrial complex of the Bush and Obama era, oppose Trump, who threatens them by wanting to ‘drain the swamp’:

https://reason.com/2020/08/19/gop-hawks-are-turning-out-for-biden/

ame
ame
Sep 7, 2020 4:51 PM

Where’s your evidence that corporations and government fund Breitbart../
neil is just one author with link sources

Cambridge Analytica and the creation of right wing mediahttps://neilsandersmindcontrol.com/index.php/neils-blog/cambridge-analytica-and-the-creation-of-right-wing-media  

ame
ame
Sep 7, 2020 5:07 PM

Trump, who threatens them by wanting to ‘drain the swamp’: LOL
by employing the swamp yer!!

Steve Bannon Jokes About Stealing ‘Build the Wall’ Money to Buy a Yacht video underneathhe just one swamp member trump employed there is 100’s more



ame
ame
Sep 7, 2020 5:09 PM

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ZenPriest
ZenPriest
Sep 7, 2020 4:54 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Foreign agents were paying Russians to cause chaos on the Red Square, around the time the Tsar was being executed.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 7, 2020 12:25 PM

My views on this leftist violence get deleted at OG. Let’s see…

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 7, 2020 1:06 PM

Well that one wasn’t deleted. And neither were the other 18 I counted on the “Fabricating a Pandemic” article.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 7, 2020 4:12 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Things are better today, I’m happy to say. This weekend some moderator really didn’t like my points about capitalism being non-coercive.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 7, 2020 7:49 PM

That’s nice. As long as you’re happy, Lefty Left.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 7, 2020 5:10 PM
Reply to  George Mc

My challenge to Ame claiming that Breitbart is government funded has been deleted.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 7, 2020 7:50 PM

I had a devastating riposte to that but it’s also been deleted.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Sep 7, 2020 11:09 PM
Reply to  George Mc

#metoo George. It’s a bummer. All of my very best stuff gone! (lol)

John the First
John the First
Sep 9, 2020 11:57 PM

Congratulations, I haven’t had the pleasure of being able to express things which would be ‘worthy’ of censorship until now. Though I have to admit that I do not check the publication status of all the rants supplied by myself.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 8, 2020 6:59 AM

Tucker: Totalitarianism doesn’t shock us any more (May 1, 2020)
https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/03/review-planet-of-the-humans/#comment-163583

Q (May 2, 2020):
Sometimes you can’t TELL the public the truth.
YOU MUST SHOW THEM.
https://qmap.pub/read/4076

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 12, 2020 8:09 AM

Alternative site

https://qalerts.app/?n=4076
4076 – May 02, 2020 6:34:06 PM EDT

What would have happened if POTUS challenged the COVID-19 narrative from the beginning?
Sometimes you can’t TELL the public the truth.
YOU MUST SHOW THEM.
Who benefits the most?
WHY ARE [D]’S SOLELY FOCUSED ON CLOSURE [RETAINING] AND VOTE-BY-MAIL?
They do not care about your well-being.
You are simply in the way.
This is about regaining POWER.
Self-preservation.
Every asset deployed.
Win by any means necessary.
WIN OR DIE.
Q

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 7, 2020 8:45 AM

Long before Event Covid and the recent BLM-Antifa Riots, Whitney Webb revealed that companies were simulating disruption and violent attacks upon the 2020 Presidential Election.

And so it came to pass.

Israeli tech group CYBEREASON is owned by SoftBank which has ties to MBS and Kushner and Unit 8200 (Israel’s NSA).

One of these companies simulated attacks on November 3, 2020, election day – cars driving into polling stations, cyber attacks on self driving cars, cyber attacks on electrical and sewage systems.

Cybereason sells anti-virus software so their election simulations have a very tangential connection with their product – they claim to be running the simulations “because we care”.

NYC powergrid and hydro dams are currently being operated by Israeli state-owned military contractors. Any conflict of interest mebe?

Transition Integrity Project has since joined the fray – innocently posing the scenario in which Trump loses but refuses to concede. This scenario is currently being pumped by most of the Corporatist Media.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/09/03/trump-stay-in-office/?arc404=true

Apart from Whitney Webb, one of the few journalists to cover Israeli espionage and Continuity of Government plans is Chris Ketchum. His articles led to the magazine Radar being shut down. One of the main shareholders in Radar was Jeffrey Epstein. https://thementalmilitia.net/2017/03/24/mindwar-background-last-roundup-christopher-ketcham/

Whitney Webb Interview: 2020 Election Chaos Being Used To Set Stage For The Final Technocratic Push — with Ryan Cristián, Last American Vagabond https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/interviews/

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 7, 2020 9:15 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

TheTransition Integrity Project (TIP) ran a simulation in which President Trump failed to win in November but refused to leave office. During the simulation in June, the role of Joe Biden was played by John Podesta, a disgraced Clinton strategist — so much for bi-partisan meaning objective.

Far from there being any evidence that Trump would refuse to leave office, it is Hillary Clinton herself who said that Joe Biden should not concede the election under any circumstances. She also said she believed Joe Biden would eventually win, so long as they dragged out the process and contested it for long enough.

TheTransition Integrity Project (TIP) is a bipartisan group of over 100 current and former senior government and campaign leaders, academics, journalists, and pollsters. They include Obama-era advisers like Rosa Brooks, Neocons like Bill Kristol, never Trump Republicans like Michael Chertoff and pseudo journalist political consultants like David Brooks

Opinion | What Will You Do if Trump Doesn’t Leave? — David Brooks, NYT, Sep 4

The Simulation will become Reality, says Webb. Just as in the past, when Drills and Simulations have been used to mask actual plans — most obviously on 911 and 7/7 in London.

The purpose of ‘rigging’ election chaos would be provide the justification for clamping down on certain protests – while justifying others. We have seen this already Antifa and BLM protests being celebrated by Democratic governors while Lockdown protests are condemned.

Thus the ‘rigged chaos’ could also serve as part of the plan to extend martial law as part of the technocratic programme behind the plandemic.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 7, 2020 11:13 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

COLORED REVOLUTIONS
To summarize, CyberReason predicted terror attacks on election day — the ‘precautionary’ outlook of a company that is the product of Israeli intelligence. The Transition Integrity Project is openly discussing the Trump ‘obstacle’ to managing the convergence of events that herald a new technocratic form of government.

The Director of the Transition Integrity Project, Zoe Hudson, was the liaison between the Open Society and the State Department during the Arab Spring.

When Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State, George Soros of the Open Society was emailing Clinton on tactics. This was revealed by Wikileaks. Both Soros and Pierre Omidyar were involved in the coup in Ukraine in 2014, another of the Color Revolutions.

CENTRALIZED POLICE FORCE
TIP’s co-founder Rosa Brooks is a former employee of Open Society Foundation and part of Georgetown University’s Innovative Policing Program. She researches the blurring of lines between the military and the police, between war and crime and she has also pushed for the federalization of the police, centralizing one force for the whole country which is how Pinochet set up the police in Chile, where Whitney Webb lives.

At Open Society, Rosa Brooks was involved in a meeting which discussed how to manipulate the BLM protests to push for federal policing. This was revealed by DC Leaks.

Brooks is also involved with the think tank New America which is tied to the Silicon Valley billionaires. This pushes for the Fourth Industrial Revolution. The former CEO of Google, head of the National Security Commission on Artificial Intelligence, gives about 4 million dollars a year to New America.

Less than two weeks after Trump’s inauguration Rosa Brooks wrote an article for Foreign Policy, the Council on Foreign Relation’s magazine, suggesting one of the ways to remove Trump from office before 2020 would be a military coup.

3 Ways to Get Rid of President Trump Before 2020 by Rosa Brooks — Foreign Policy, January 2017

Pierre Omidyar is involved in a broader network of business and thought leaders, with Reid Hoffman of Linkedin who financed the sabotage of the Iowa Caucus by destroying the vote count, pushing Biden ahead of Bernie Sanders. Hoffman financed the two companies involved, Acronym and Shadow Inc.

Dr. Nils Gilman is the Vice President of Programs at the Berggruen Institute which investigates the potential for gene editing, which ties in with the Covid vaccine.

CONVERGENCE OF EVENTS
TIP member Lawrence Wilkerson, a former chief of staff to Colin Powell, notes the convenient combination of events. He compares the U.S. right now with Iran in 1979 and Russia in 1917.

What if Trump Won’t Go? by Col. Lawrence Wilkerson — The Analysis, Jun 29, 2020

He suggests that economic depression, the protests, partisan division, and stoking fears about the electoral process are an opportunity presented by Event Covid and helping to resolve the path towards a Technocratic revolution.

We know it essentially was created by the lockdown and closing down the economy. This suggests it is an engineered revolution which certain interests are competing to lead, by playing people against each other. People must wake up to the fact that both sides are manipulated. The billionaires and deep staters have plans for everyone.

BLAME IT ON CHINA-IRAN-RUSSIA
A country could be thrown in to the mix, accused of election meddling, to create the pretext for foreign policy diversions.

Iran, China or Russia or all three have been accused of planning cyber attacks — Iran was accused by Israel of hacking Gilead Sciences, producer of Remdesivir, in the middle of Event Covid – though it is Iran that has been the victim of repeated cyber attacks, seeing 25% of its Internet infrastructure taken out earlier this year in a series of attacks that Israel barely tries to hide.

TWO CAMPS ON CHINA
Trump Foreign Secretary Mike Pompeo has been on TV talking about confrontation with China. There are two approaches on China. The group closer to Trump wants to leapfrog China, do an Artificial Intelligence arms race and maintain global dominance – this includes the Committee on the Present Danger, Mike Pompeo and Steve Bannon, several PNAC NeoCons, former CIA director James Woolsey and many people in the Pentagon.

There is another group featuring former Google CEO Eric Schmidt and Blackstone Chairman and CEO Stephen Schwarzman. This second group want to collaborate with China. Schmidt is on the Pentagon’s National Security Commission on Artificial Intelligence. The NSCAI mulls both approaches: leapfrog or collaborate. But Henry Kissinger now claims Schmidt as one of his best friends – and that puts him in the NWO, technocratic governance camp, which is the long term project of the Rockefellers and the Trilateral Commission. They are trying to court Donald Trump. Schwarzman recently gave $3 million to Trump’s campaign.

The arrest of Steve Bannon is very timely and should be seen in the context of the struggle between these groups.

Feeding into these two main approaches (leapfrog to maintain American dominance, or collaborate to create a technocratic NWO) are three main cohorts: the Department of Defense, the Intelligence Agencies and the Silicon Valley billionaires.

COVID IS COVER FOR AI CHANGES
Ultimately both groups are wrestling for position, for who gets to set the rules for Artificial Intelligence leadership. This will mean the end of a lot of jobs, as part of the engineered collapse of the U.S. economy and the Great Reset. This infighting within the establishment. They don’t want the electorate to have any say.

A wave of homelessness has followed the foreclosure and eviction crisis. Silicon Valley billionaires have stepped in to house people in modular smart homes projects. It looks like Event Covid and economic crisis was engineered to force people into smart cities by eliminating the jobs that AI was going to eliminate anyway – but now we can blame it on the virus.

DARK WINTER BIO WARFARE ATTACK
Bill Gates warns not just of a deadlier second pandemic, but has talked of bio terror risks. The seeding of narratives that because of gene editing, anyone can make a deadly virus.

Rick Bright, the recent director of the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA) who filed a whistleblower complaint, said in testimony before the House Committee on Energy and Commerce that America may face it’s “darkest winter in modern history” later this year.

Operation Dark Winter was the code name for a senior-level bio-terrorist attack simulation conducted by Johns Hopkins University from June 22–23, 2001. It not only predicted the 2001 anthrax attacks, but some of its participants had clear foreknowledge of those attacks. 

As opposition continues to build to the lockdowns, it is possible there will be another ‘unifying event’ that gets people clamouring for their government to protect them.

Mikalina
Mikalina
Sep 7, 2020 12:26 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Oooooh, the plot thickens – I’ll get the popcorn…..

Norcal
Norcal
Sep 7, 2020 2:57 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Again, many thanks Moneycircus. Whitney Webb is a treasure, I’ll link one of her important articles for reference…

https://www.mintpressnews.com/national-security-state-using-coronavirus-push-artificial-intelligence-driven-mass-surveillance/266820/

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 7, 2020 12:41 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

I agree with much of this; would posters please note how Trump and democracy are victims rather than agents of the technocratic programme rightly deplored here.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 7, 2020 2:58 AM

Occasionally, I wake up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat. I don’t know where I am. I am in the middle of a Nightmare. I roll over to the right side of the bed and hang on as if its like grim death, and cuddle my warm wife, and come out of my nightmare…

I go to the bog, have a piss, and go back to sleep.

I wake up in the morning, put the kettle on, and think well that was just a bad dream

Bring my wife a cup of coffee in bed, and ask what have we got planned for the rest of the day

She comes downstairs. and puts on The Telly and sees This Cunt

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-09-06/nearly-3000-new-coronavirus-cases-in-uk-in-biggest-increase-since-may

Turn it Off.

Lets go back to bed.

So its not all bad.

Tony

Simon
Simon
Sep 7, 2020 7:45 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Those number could increase much more since they seem to be related to vitamin D levels and panic (rather than any supposed virus). A test designed to cause terror.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960076020302764
https://www.loveproductions.org/english/articles/misinterpretation-of-virus/

Fact Checker
Fact Checker
Sep 7, 2020 1:45 AM

“The People.”

“Need to Take Back Control.”

Of, like, utilities and oilfields.

YOU MEAN THE PEOPLE ON FUCKING MASS HOUSE ARREST?

The People, often pregnant women, getting throttled and manhandled by masked goons in their homes, for the crimes of not wearing masks or posting innocuous chat-board posts?

The People, most of whom are cowering in terror in their homes from an imaginary virus, awaiting marching orders from the talking heads on the television screens?

Those People.

Good idea boss! I have no doubt they’ll do a great job! In fact, I bet they’ll do exactly what the politicians tell them to do! The politicians funded by the very “capitalist pigs” who will be nominally divested of these industrial concerns!
I look forward to your Action Proposal. I have a goooooood feeling about this!

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 7, 2020 1:54 AM
Reply to  Fact Checker

yeh, but she is a worldwide star now like the english nurse bollocks kid, but your Aussie girl was not asked so far as i know -your brute force aussie poice just did it, cos she put a post up on facebook.

i hope she and her baby in her tummy are ok

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 7, 2020 12:46 PM
Reply to  Fact Checker

But did the cowering people cause the crisis? And aren’t most of them also capitalist pigs?

RNAsplicer
RNAsplicer
Sep 7, 2020 2:32 PM

The cowering people caused and continue to perpetuate the crisis.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 7, 2020 5:11 PM
Reply to  RNAsplicer

So the global elites are the victims of the cowering people? Blimey.

Fact Checker
Fact Checker
Sep 8, 2020 1:59 AM

Uh-oh! Trumpbot’s on the fritz!

(Moronic yank Trump-Thumpers would never say ‘Blimey.’ Time to have your algorithms retooled. Then we’ll talk about another TrumpTreat.)

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 7, 2020 1:03 AM

The essence of capitalism is exploitation. The people have never been in control.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 7, 2020 12:48 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

Capitalism is the freely-agreed exchange of goods and services to mutual benefit. My students pay me to teach them, no coercion or exploitation is involved. No-one is forced to work by law. This blasphemous post won’t be here long.

Howard
Howard
Sep 7, 2020 1:09 PM

Your post is not blasphemous, just inaccurate.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 7, 2020 5:13 PM
Reply to  Howard

To be believable, claims need reason and evidence. Please explain who exploits or coerces who in my example of capitalism.

Howard
Howard
Sep 8, 2020 3:24 PM
Reply to  Howard

To repeat what Eyes Open said below, people must eat (as Quincas Borba said “Humanity must be fed!” – but he said it in Portuguese).

Specifically, when a society establishes protocols for obtaining what is needed to survive (food, clothing, shelter); and funnels most of what is needed to obtain these things (i.e., money) into a few hands; then those hands set all the terms. Most people seem to understand that.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 7, 2020 5:59 PM

Seems Jeff Bezos enjoys a lot of mutual benefit compared with Amazon employees who are fainting in warehouses from overwork.

No one is forced to work, correct. It’s just that people need to eat.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 7, 2020 12:46 AM

This morning, I got up feeling pretty good for a Sunday morning, and I clicked on Off-G, cos as usual there was no News, and I am normally pretty immune to this kind of stuff..where they give you a warning – the content might upset you,,and I have seen some horrible shit – I will not link it to you cos you really do not want to see this.

I saw Australian Police beating the shit of an old man, who happened to have installed security cameras on the front of his house, because of an earlier burglary.

I was not ready for that. All I wanted was a cup of coffee…

And then it went on – the next victim of Australian Police Brute Force, was quite obviously a deranged man, trying to get some more drugs from The Chemist (Pharmacy) – Drug Store (US) – attacking them with a pair of scissors – and the Australian Police Beat the Shit out of him Too..

I found this somewhat hard to handle. I was hoping to have a nice day,

What The Hell has happenned to Australia?

You didn’t learn This From UK Police, nor even The Americans

Who taught you This??

You were O.K. when we sent you Prisoners there – much nicer than The Religious Maniacs – who we sent to the USA

What has happenned to Australia…??????????

It did my head in.

I always thought you were dead nice with the same sense of humour as me and the Scousers in Liverpool.

We don’t do that. Even The Americans don’t do that.

What has happened to you?

A lot of my childhood friends live in Australia.

Tony

gorden
gorden
Sep 6, 2020 11:36 PM

the canucks are gone
the aussie gone
scotch gone and the oirish

barbera lerner spector pirates coup plans atomized all

soy boyz
testosterone woman
in a soup of flu vaccines and 5g synergies
mental and physical cripples keeping heads down
while satanist run amok

that is all palmer
now get out
and shut the door

the 5 eyes have been taken over

Ann Caddigan
Ann Caddigan
Sep 7, 2020 3:42 AM
Reply to  gorden

Good goin’ Gorden/

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 6, 2020 11:28 PM

Slight correction to an earlier post, where I was being far too nice to the criminal, and this time we know who you are, and we know where you live, and we know how you did it.

After forensic examination, mainly involving water fairy liquid and bubbles – 2 small holes in the side wall of the tyre – One we could accept as an accident, but 2 means that is very deliberate planned damage, using a hammer and one nail. You pulled the nail out, and then did it again.

You did it intentionally.

That was not very nice. You are not a nice person…

So worry about the damage that you did.

We know where you live.

But we will let you off – cos you didn’t scratch it or torch it.

Just don’t do it again

Be a good girl.

Be Nice.

BEHAVE

Tony

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 6, 2020 11:54 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

She must have seen the 2 child seats, in the back of the car, and also the 2 young children, when my son got back to his car with them, so she must have felt incredibly guilty and kind of confessed, and kind of said sorry. So its not the biggest crime in the world, and she is only a kid herself.

This is England. Not The USA

Tony

Carey
Carey
Sep 7, 2020 3:40 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Ahh, the conversational tone; the assumed familiarity..

cui bono / setup

BDBinc
BDBinc
Sep 6, 2020 10:47 PM

If you are in a central banking nation you have a polical and economic monopoly,( In the USA the fed reserve is privately owned). So there is no such thing as capitalism its banksterism.
This banking cabal are pushing for a NWO (Marxist/communistic nazi socialism style).

I’m all for Humanism.We haven’t tried that yet.

I don’t believe in the democracy dogma as those in control of our national govts and economy( *who choose to shut economies down)select their own presidents/PMs.

The UN acts as a shadow govt, synchronizing national govts to global fascism under the umbrella of the Big Lie covid .
The government system democracy dogma works on ideology. They have set political parties so as to let the uneducated voter identify with the groups of different ideologies .The seemingly different parties get in and… there is no sign of the ideology in govt actions.

“If voting did anything they wouldn’t let you do it and No matter who you vote for the govt always gets in” GC.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Sep 7, 2020 6:50 AM
Reply to  BDBinc

>Marxist/communistic nazi socialism style

Let’s get some terms sorted out. Marx developed economic theories a couple of hundred years ago based on the idea of most people having no economic power except the ability to sell their labor for others to profit from. Its not a political system, just an economic theory. Communism stems from that, the idea that the means of production should be held in trust for and for the benefit of those that who’s work makes the production. Socialsm allows for all sorts of ownership but has as its guiding philosophy that national policy should benefit society as whole rather than individual segemnts of that society (which are invariably what we call the one percent these days). Nazism is a form of fascism that uses a veneer of socialist terminology to appeal to its original supporters; in practice it was funded by and benefitted the well heeled and the well connected. Later academics put some flesh on the bones by using the argument that the nation state, as the embodyment of society, should be the sole beneficiary of socialism. Facism itself is a variation of corporatism, the idea that society is run entirely for the benefit of corporations with the workforce mobilized military style to serve the interests of business. I call corporatism ‘fascism without the street theater’ (that is, all the populist trappings that are designed to appeal to masses of people).

Banks by their nature tend to be conservative. Very conservative. Conservatives as a rule tend towards an authoritarian style of governemnt because they either have to reach an accommodation with the bulk of the people — giving them a chance at a decent life — or they find themselves a minority that’s increasingly reliant on fringe elements to maintain public support. There is no known case of a big bank, especially an international bank, supporting socialism.

This space is too small and my brain is too limited to give a complete primer on political theory. I’d suggested lightening up on the cliches, though. You are right with the notion — its an old one — that “No matter who you vote for the government always gets in” but at the same time you’re going to have a government whether you want one or not so you might as well find one that you can live with.

Donald Duck
Donald Duck
Sep 7, 2020 8:51 AM
Reply to  Martin Usher

Yikes! Someone who actually knows something about marxism. But reallly am getting a little pissed off with pig-ignorant blabbermouths – see above Mr BDBINC for example – coming on to this website and sounding off as if the know what they are talking about. Marxism is a case in point. K.Marx (1818-1883) and whilst we’re at it his friend and co-thinker, Freidrich Engels (1820-1895). Both were involved in separatist Rhineland politics one jump ahead of the Prussian secret police so they had to do a bunk to England and a more liberal climate. Early works include ‘Early Philosophical Manuscripts’ Marx, ‘The Condition of the Working Class in England 1844.. Then came Dialectics in Nature – Engels, and The Grundrisse – Marx, and later the Three Volumes of Capital over 2000 pages. And this is only a fraction of their output.

Then of course there are the 20th century neo-Marxists such as Gramsci and Lukacs and the Frankfurt school. But let it go.

When you have read something written by the above theorists you can come back and talk about ‘Marxism’ In the meantime try taking Wittgenstein’s (who wasn’t a ‘Marxist’) advice.

‘“Whereof one cannot speakthereof one must be silent”.”

Good advice – take it. And try reading a few books whilst you’re at it.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 7, 2020 10:56 AM
Reply to  Donald Duck

Excellent comment. I think it funny when people ascribe the shit that’s going down now to “Marxism” or “Bolshevism” – terms which have been irrelevant for most of the last century. They may as well say that we are facing a new wave of Visigoths or Vikings.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 7, 2020 1:12 PM
Reply to  George Mc

In the now documented 570 violent BLM riots over 3 months in the USA, no rioters wore MAGA hats. Ironically, rioters do look more like barbarian warriors than the privileged university students and rich kids they so often are. Meanwhile, BLM leaders and founders have confessed they are trained Marxist insurrectionists who oppose democracy and Trump.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/06/data-48-of-americas-50-largest-cities-hit-by-black-lives-matter-riots/

PS I doubt OG will leave this post up for long.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 7, 2020 2:58 PM

So your definition of a Marxist is someone who simply calls himself a Marxist …and/or doesn’t wear a MAGA hat!

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 7, 2020 5:18 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I didn’t define what a Marxist is. I said BLM rioters never wear MAGA hats and that their founders have confessed they are ‘trained Marxist insurrectionists’. Here’s a link for that second claim:

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/25/patrisse-cullors-black-lives-matter-co-founder-fea/

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 7, 2020 7:55 PM

So what’s the significance of not wearing a MAGA hat? I don’t wear one. Does that make me anti-American?

And I have no idea what a “trained Marxist” is. I doubt if Karl would have either. Maybe it’s a misprint? Maybe it’s supposed to read “trained Marksmen”?

ZenPriest
ZenPriest
Sep 7, 2020 12:10 PM
Reply to  Martin Usher

Actually you are muddying the waters here. We all know what it means to say Marxist/Communist/Socialist/Nazi. While the ‘political theories’ of these may differ, in practice they always feature tyranny – there is no way they can function otherwise. And they together stand opposed to true democracy, which is what the majority of people want.
The enlightened way forward is direct participation of citizens in major decision making and the ability to finish the government of the day at any time, with majority vote. But we need to identify and eject the terrorists before this can happen.
Beware of the overly verbose and those getting lost in definitions. I have met many such types. While the ‘intellectuals’ are discussing ‘political theory’ the robbers are in the vault stuffing their holdalls, often these ‘social scientists’ aren’t even aware of the robbery or lack the minerals to do what needs to be done about it. Keep it simple son.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 7, 2020 1:17 PM
Reply to  ZenPriest

I agree with the first part, but dispute the logic of giving citizens the right to ‘finish the government of the day at any time’. That suggests political chaos and zero continuity. Besides, most people want to enjoy peaceful, prosperous lives free of political concerns and issues, and who can blame them? We posters are a tiny activist minority.

ZenPriest
ZenPriest
Sep 7, 2020 4:59 PM

Not necessarily. Think further ahead. If a government can be tossed out overnight, the governments would soon learn to serve the majority (because in my idea only a majority vote would be able to usurp the government). Otherwise, the government wouldn’t last more than days. So there would be not point trying to govern, unless you had good intent.

Mikalina
Mikalina
Sep 7, 2020 12:31 PM
Reply to  Martin Usher

Doesn’t matter what collective nouns you use, THEY own the dictionary.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 7, 2020 1:04 PM
Reply to  Martin Usher

Conservatives do not tend towards an authoritarian style of government. They reject big government interference in our lives and business. As Ronald Reagan said, “Government is the problem, not the solution”. But leftists disagree: they created the biggest, most controlling governments in history: those in the Soviet Union, today’s China and NK, and the unaccountable EU. Note that the most controlling, authoritarian and absurd approaches to lockdown in various states in the USA and Oz have all been by leftist governors.

BDBinc
BDBinc
Sep 7, 2020 7:55 PM
Reply to  Martin Usher

Economic theories you were taught at school are not the same as our political and economic monopoly .
We have not had capitalism as Banks can create money from debt( nothing) and lend money into existence.” Give me control of a nation’s money and I care not who makes it’s laws” as that is total control of that nation .
That is the economic reality .
No such thing as “capitalism” and ” free markets ” the banksters coined the terms.

In the actual political system( not the school boy theory you learned) you don’t get to choose as democracy is just a dogma.
Martin I do appreciate your confession about your brain’s limitation, indeed that is the problem when it comes to this problem naively believing what the media tell you. People are taught from childhood to remember and recite theories not to question, reason and investigate.
What is happening in the world is chaos incited by banking cabal’s govt (UN )media fear mongering. The national govts behavior( under UN governing) is closest to the word “fascist” (similar to Germany’s nazi socialist govt ) .

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Sep 7, 2020 8:26 PM
Reply to  BDBinc

I also believe that terms like ‘free market’ and ‘capitalism’ are abused — they’re often run together implying that they’re related, you can’t have one without the other. The truth is somewhat different. To me, ‘capitalism’ implies an economic system run by the numbers — you’re out to get the best RoI regardless of how you do it. The numbers are all that matters so if you maximize RoI by unproductive manipulation of tax laws that’s perfectly OK. Capitalism by its nature hates free markets since they’re unpredictable; I have this notion that its ideal business model trends towards that of the IRS (HMRC — UK). (History bears me out — one of the most sought after aquisitions in history is purcasing the power to make a tax.)

Banks are naturally the purest expression of capitalism. Englightened societies keep them on a tight leash — they’re useful servants but tyrranical masters because they’re a machine with no soul (note that we often confuse the people who staff the machine with the machine itself).

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 7, 2020 12:55 PM
Reply to  BDBinc

Only two basic systems of government are available: that which controls people (autocracy, eternal leaders), and that controlled or at least limited by people (democracy, leaders subject to regular elections). Only democracy can limit and replace egomaniac power freak monsters. If Germans, Russians and Chinese under Hitler, Stalin and Mao could have voted these monsters out of power when the truth about them was clear to all, history would be vastly different. So if you don’t support majority rule and the protection and restoration of a functioning democracy, which elite do you trust with minority rule over us all and why? BLM?

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 6, 2020 10:39 PM

Lyrics
In a place you only dream of
Where your soul is always free
Silver stages, golden curtains
Filled my head, plain as can be
As a rainbow grew around the sun
All my stars of love who died
Came from somewhere beyond the scene you see
These lovely people played just for me
Now if I let you see this place
Where stories all ring true
Will you let me past your face
To see what’s really you
It’s not for me I ask these questions
As though I were a king
For you have to love, believe and feel
Before the burst of tambourines take you there
Green grass and high tides forever
Castles of stone souls and glory
Lost faces say we adore you
As kings and queens bow and play for you
Those who don’t believe me
Find your souls and set them free
Those who do, believe and love
This time will be your key
Time and time again I’ve thanked them
For a piece of mind
They helped me find myself
Amongst the music and the rhyme
That enchants you there
Green grass and high tides forever
Castles of stone souls and glory
Lost faces say we adore you
As kings and queens bow and play for you
Yeah, they play just for you

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 6, 2020 10:44 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc
Arby
Arby
Sep 6, 2020 10:27 PM

Whatever. The Canadian Big Pharma connection isn’t impressive. And I am not going to automatically swallow stories about small pox eradication from here on. I used to read Linda McQuaig religiously. I’ve read many of her books. She was there at the beginning of my politicization. Then I got a good look at her when I read Yves Engler. She’s a peddler of myths, the most egregious one being that Lester Pearson was a peacekeeper and hero. Of course, What is Yves Engler up to today? He’s certainly not acting like part of the solution to covid 1984.

The number of betrayals is sky high.

Having said that, Linda writes well. She’s very accessible. And I did learn a lot from her. Her book (“The Quick And The Dead”) about the origin of the free trade deal between the US and Canada is awesome. Her book about deficit terrorism (“Shooting The Hippo”) is awesome. And her book about the federal tax system (titled “Behind Close Doors”) is extremely informative. But, I no longer pay any attention to her.

“The Impact of Vaccines on Mortality Decline Since 1900—According to Published Science” by J.B. Handely (Children’s Health Defense) / https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/the-impact-of-vaccines-on-mortality-decline-since-1900-according-to-published-science/?cn-reloaded=1

argentine
argentine
Sep 6, 2020 9:21 PM

Lies, lies lies

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 7, 2020 10:57 AM
Reply to  argentine

Thirteen strokes of the keyboard within a small area. You’re working overtime today!

JohnEss
JohnEss
Sep 7, 2020 12:14 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Fifteen if you count the hits on the spacebar, George.

Perhaps he has an assistant…

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Sep 6, 2020 8:55 PM

Aye lad what’s yer’ fuel… ‘avya’ got garden und Quelle,
With clean water. ?

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Sep 6, 2020 8:49 PM

Oh for gawds sake.
Limited Hang Out? Again?

I asked towards the author in his last article here a few days ago, about giving us a real revelation about Canadian Global Coppery.

Ok I’ll do it myself, here is an example of a company you have never heard or read about, how do they figure in the grand scheme of borg ‘resistance is futile’ message?

The grand postal vote coup they engaged in in the UK over the last decade. And how they are attempting to do in the USA this year.

Trump is not lying about postal vote fraud. He saw it in action against Corbyn.

‘Godin co-founded CGI (short for Conseillers en Gestion et Informatique, later freely translated as Consulting to Government and Industry) in 1976 with André Imbeau, who has kept a relatively low profile during his career at the company (the long-time CFO is now vice-chairman).’

‘But the company’s influence extends even farther. Through a multitude of contracts with the RCMP, Canada’s Department of National Defence, the U.S. Department of Homeland Defense and all three branches of the U.S. military, CGI has become deeply embedded in the overt and covert activities that governments direct against enemies throughout the world.’
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/rob-magazine/its-a-cgi-world-we-only-live-in-it/article12830890/

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 6, 2020 9:03 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

CGI Computer-generated imagery didn’t really start to take off until about 1981, when I got fired as a Direct Result of Margaret Thatcher shutting down The North of England. Before then, it was largely the Preserve of The Big Film Studios – still mostly British – Like Pinewood, except most of the techniques they used were analog, and the images from film hand crafted.
I though you DunGroanin would know that.

Tony

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Sep 6, 2020 11:01 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Once a Compo always one eh?

As you wilfully ignore the full name of the company spelt out and try and divert attention.

Once a scab always one eh….?

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 6, 2020 8:12 PM

Public / Private does not really make a difference. There a fat sharks on both side of The Fence, who basically contribute nothing much and are parasites.

The discussion really should be more about Big and Small and Central control vs local.

In my view basic essential services like health care, police, fire service, infrastructure etc should always be under Government control, and available to everyone free without question

But Governments, as should by now, be completely obvious, and the people who work for Governments are just as liable to corruption, as are Large Capitalist Corporate Companies…

As The Monopolies grow Bigger and Bigger, doesn’t matter if they are Government or Private, they become, not more efficient but increasingly USELESS, so far as the vast majority of the population are concerned with regards to the services they do – or do not receive.

The Main problem is Corruption and Greed and Size.

Small companies compete against each other – even if it is just the corner shop – they are the capitalists. If the people running them, work really hard and have new and innovative ideas, they stand a chance of becoming successful, down to their own merit.

Not only do they not claim funds from The Government, they contribute to the essential services that Government should provide, via their taxes.

If they don’t work hard enough, or some other problem outside of their control occurs, they go bust. They lose everything they have been working for.

But most people working for The Government, are not under such risk. They can do almost nothing useful (except talk bollocks) throughout their working lives, and even if they do lose their jobs, will have at least some kind of pension to survive on.

I am not suggesting that all people who work for Governments, are completely useless, but most of them are cossetted and protected in a bubble, cos they wrote the rules and the laws, and the people they always put first is themselves.

Never worked directly for them myself, and I pity a lot of people who do.

I can’t get rid of them. No matter what label. They are all pretty much the same.

You try voting them out, when the entire economy is going down the drain, because they did not do their jobs properly.

And That is what it is all about. There are good people and bad people. It doesn’t make a great deal of difference who they work for. It is down to their own self respect and morality, and wanting to do a good job, anyway they can, rather than just talking about it or doing absolutely nothing of any use to anyone.

Tony

Arby
Arby
Sep 6, 2020 10:35 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Public Private Partnerships are privatization by stealth. I don’t believe in capitalism. I prefer socialism (and I prefer anarchism even more so), so P3s are not a good thing in my view. Setting that aside, the scammers who rule the Transnational Capitalist Class) will get their way no matter what the people want.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Sep 6, 2020 10:49 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

I agree Tony, but since they abolished elections we might have a lot of problems getting rid of the latest batch of parasites.

Carey
Carey
Sep 6, 2020 11:25 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

> There are good people and bad people. It doesn’t make a great deal of difference who they work for.

That’s bullsh!t, of course: it makes a *great deal* of difference when the private sector
can effectively dictate to the public one; the latter being at least ostensibly subject to the
will of the People (quaint notion!).

BTW, getting *real tired* of your ‘just folks / salt of the earth’ act, replete with so much faux-personal information. If all that were true, why would you spend so very much time on the internet spreading all the Good News?

Carey
Carey
Sep 6, 2020 11:32 PM
Reply to  Carey

Adding: it sounds like that commenter’s claim is that particular organizations [“it doesn’t make a great deal of difference”] don’t have particular tendencies..

heh / bullshitter

Ann Caddigan
Ann Caddigan
Sep 7, 2020 4:06 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Thanks Tony for your poem and your post.

Reachable Spike
Reachable Spike
Sep 6, 2020 8:03 PM

Applause for this piece. It gets to the heart of the issue.

Arby
Arby
Sep 6, 2020 10:36 PM

It’s irrelevant in my opinion. It doesn’t reflect reality.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 7, 2020 5:23 PM

I disagree. The article blames the mass rioting across the USA (570, said Princeton University this week) on the west’s impending economic collapse, not on anti-democratic leftist insurrectionists who are orchestrating the violence as they seek to remove Trump.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/25/patrisse-cullors-black-lives-matter-co-founder-fea/

Mikalina
Mikalina
Sep 6, 2020 8:02 PM

Maurice Strong totally gaslighted along with control from the UN and no mention of Justin’s daddy (supposedly) Pierre and his communist loyalties.

Arby
Arby
Sep 6, 2020 10:37 PM
Reply to  Mikalina

Oh please. Give the communism crap a rest. As for Maurice Strong, James Corbett’s investigations into that man are excellent. He slips under the radar, but he’s been instrumental in helping to make the world a badder place.

Mikalina
Mikalina
Sep 7, 2020 10:22 AM
Reply to  Arby

Beautifully crafted reply; well done.

Arby
Arby
Sep 7, 2020 4:22 PM
Reply to  Mikalina

🙂

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 7, 2020 5:26 PM
Reply to  Arby

The UN (or at least António Guterres) again stands accused of communist crap:

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/09/07/everything-bad-in-history-was-mens-fault-claims-the-united-nations/

RNAsplicer
RNAsplicer
Sep 6, 2020 7:39 PM

Very confusing, poorly written article. More propaganda for a nanny state control.

John
John
Sep 7, 2020 2:16 AM
Reply to  RNAsplicer

To depart from the above cheapity. The problem of socialism in general arises for one thing when the needs of ‘the people’ (majority) become all consuming.This is also the problem of democracy. This is the problem of collectivism (both are collectivist).

In case of national healthcare, when national healthcare is combined with societal widespread overblown consumerist materialism, scientific materialism, the greed of super-capitalism and general greed, the healthcare system which depends on capitalist industries and services, and people who work there, will grow ever more expensive. This is then far removed from the original idea of solidarity, the healthcare system is then a vessel for an industry of overblown interests. There are other contexts which play a role which makes the outcome different, a society full of stress and anxiety, unhealthy diets, etc.
Like alluded to, the healtcare system can be used to force people into compliance, then myopic and disproportional hostility will target smokers, exclude them, or exclude non vaccinated people.. Certain group of people will be targeted, while sickly society at large remains untouched (too much interests at stake).
Under the current conditions, whether socialist or capitalist, none of these will make a difference. To be subject to the extension of our already overblown states, or to the power grids of super-capitalism.

In some countries in Europe the situation is already of such a nature that people get into financial depths because they cannot afford the obligated national-healthcare system, they also cannot afford the high taxes, their pockets are continuously picked both by the state and corporations, and the two as far as they are not separated… They are strangled by bureaucracies, the state, the managerial class, and the power grids of corporations.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 7, 2020 5:47 PM
Reply to  John

In the socialism of the USSR, the Warsaw Pact nations, Cuba, Cambodia, North Korea, various African nations, and now Venezuela, the great problem has always been the absence of consumer goods, not the “all-consuming people”. Those enormous queues outside bakeries were not CIA propaganda. North Koreans are famously around 4cm shorter than South Koreans because of generations of malnutrition and poverty.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2133848/Why-North-Korean-racist-dwarfs-really-inches-shorter-cousins-South-Korea.html

Voz 0db
Voz 0db
Sep 6, 2020 6:55 PM

How many more books do you guys “Think” are needed to be written about that topic?!

It seems clear that if even with the WWW and access to yottabytes of information the Herd of moron slaves can’t figure it out… it sure seems very likely that another book is just good for the writer/seller £££!

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 6, 2020 9:39 PM
Reply to  Voz 0db

There is nowt wrong with writing a book, except don’t expect it to be published, except maybe until after you are dead.

The Banned book initially written in German, by Udo Ulfkotte is now available in English under the title “Presstitutes Embedded in the Pay of the CIA: A Confession from the Profession
The inital English Version Journalists for Hire: How the CIA Buys the News Paperback – 30 Nov. 2017 by Dr Udo Ulfkotte PH.D. (Author) is still banned

But I am reasonably confident it is the same book and almost certain that he is dead.

I might buy it, when the price comes down

I very rarely buy a book that costs more than £20

I haven’t read CJ Hopkins latest effort yet and he is still alive.

Tony

Gwyn
Gwyn
Sep 6, 2020 6:31 PM

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money.

So said Thatcher, that sad excuse for a human being. One of the many problems with people such as her, though, is that they never stop stealing things that belong to the people and selling them off to their acquaintances.

tootsy
tootsy
Sep 6, 2020 7:12 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

Osbourne selling off of HM Post office in the UK, was a 1 billion pound gift to his friends. Without any ambiguity. in broad daylight. the share price fixed way too low and 70% of shares restricted to selected’ buyers. ‘ fraud in broad daylight.

Gwyn
Gwyn
Sep 6, 2020 7:58 PM
Reply to  tootsy

Yep, the thieving bastards are completely shameless!

(And they know that the media will collude with them every step of the way).

steadydirt
steadydirt
Sep 6, 2020 8:21 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

the media are bought and paid for ;
repeaters not reporters.

Gwyn
Gwyn
Sep 6, 2020 8:25 PM
Reply to  steadydirt

Indeed. They are but government stenographers.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 6, 2020 7:50 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

Socialism needs a political class to control and coerce the plebs into sharing the fruits of their labour. Capitalism works just fine without controllers, because it is not a political system. Sadly, this site won’t allow heretical opinions like that. Unless today’s moderators went home, this post will be deleted, so proving that OG practices cancel culture and oppression.

Gwyn
Gwyn
Sep 6, 2020 8:01 PM

You’re still playing the victim, then. It’s a sorry sight, it really is. It’s quite tedious, too. Why don’t you piss off to a site that might be more to your liking?

(Don’t worry; I know the answer to my question). ;o)

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 7, 2020 6:08 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

Insults suggest absent arguments and fear of alternative opinion and critical thinking. We are here to debate opinions and share ideas, not abuse those who may disagree with us. Isn’t such behaviour for kids and fascists? Also, how on Earth does comparing capitalism and socialism ‘play the victim’?

Gwyn
Gwyn
Sep 7, 2020 6:36 PM

Some of us are here to debate and to share ideas. Others (such as you) are just here to disrupt and derail the conversation.

I’ll no longer be responding to any of your comments, no matter how wrongheaded they might be. There are far more worthwhile people on here to communicate with. No more wasting time!

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 7, 2020 11:05 AM

When you say “socialism”, you mean “capitalism”. When you say “capitalism”, you mean …I don’t know what the fuck you mean. Perhaps some kind of magical dust that blows from the arse of The Creator?

Nixon Scraypes
Nixon Scraypes
Sep 6, 2020 9:04 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

I just wish there was another word that represented the social ambitions of the adherents of “socialism”. Rather than being landed with centralised bank and economy that hands out it’s favours to the same people as Mrs Thatcher, there must be a people friendly system that isn’t a centralised monopoly of fiscal power. ( I bet someone wrote that line, it’s too good for her.) Most socialists are alright but socialism ain’t, they,we deserve better. Most ordinary conservatives are alright and don’t deserve their representatives. Both sides see the glaring faults of the other side and are rightly fearful of them. I can’t explain it but I’m sick of this ridiculous system of two sides with unrealistic manifestos that ends up with a mess and the same few people making a fortune out of it.

Arby
Arby
Sep 6, 2020 10:41 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

The capitalism we know is neoliberal capitalism. And it is State capitalism, which is basically socialism for the rich and powerful.

https://app.box.com/s/7z2m80b9mctmnnjp92k9xhekfqfskc9y

Gwyn
Gwyn
Sep 6, 2020 11:11 PM
Reply to  Arby

It’s curious to see the way these neoliberal swashbucklers can’t get by without sucking on the teat of public money.

Getting their too-big-to-fail organisations bailed out…not very capitalist, is it?

Arby
Arby
Sep 6, 2020 11:28 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

Indeed. But, as believers in inequality, they are okay with that. It’s Adam Smith’s vile maxim all the way. That maxim goes like this: ‘All for ourselves and nothing for others’.

Gwyn
Gwyn
Sep 6, 2020 11:45 PM
Reply to  Arby

Ah, yes. The vile maxim. It perfectly encapsulates the immature mindset of those who misrule the world. They are truly a brake on the evolution of humanity.

But I believe that humanity will evolve. No idea how long it’ll take, but it’s up to us to make it happen.

Arby
Arby
Sep 7, 2020 12:38 AM
Reply to  Gwyn

I personally don’t believe in biological evolution. I would do a crappy job of arguing against Darwin’s functional model, and for Michael Denton’s structuralist model, but I’m totally convinced that Michael Denton is on the right track.

Cheers. Enjoyed the chat. We are on the same path.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 7, 2020 11:00 AM
Reply to  Gwyn

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money.

As opposed to capitalism where you never run out of money because it comes from the rich who keep stealing it.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 7, 2020 5:58 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

You could clarify your definition of stealing and explain that voters did actually choose and su