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New rules may allow Australian police to detain “conspiracy theorists”

The Australian state is rolling out increasingly fascistic laws, when will people finally say enough is enough?

Police arresting a protester in Melbourne. Video shows him being hit with a car and stamped on while on the ground. (James Ross/Herald Courier)

New rules passing in the Australian state of Victoria could see “conspiracy theorists” and those “suspected by health authorities of being likely to spread the virus” detained in quarantine centres, according to The Age

The rules are amendments being added to the Omnibus (Emergency Measures) Bill, which was first passed back in April.

The proposed detention would last “for the period reasonably necessary to eliminate or reduce a serious risk to public health”.

To translate that from bureaucrat into English: it means as for long as they want, or can get away with.

Legislation with this kind of vague verbiage is always a red flag, but then Victoria is currently over-flowing with warning signs of this kind.

Victoria – The World’s Fascist Test Run?

Maybe you haven’t been following exactly how bad things are getting in Australia – and most especially Victoria – but they have essentially aggressively seized their opportunity to create a fascist micro-state. A social Petri dish, in which to culture some tyranny.

They have declared both a “state of emergency” AND a “state of disaster” for a disease which has killed fewer than a thousand people in 9 months across the entire country.

For a sense of perspective, in 2018 over three times as many people died of influenza, and the same number again committed suicide.

As of right now Australia has just 16 cases of coronavirus classified as “severe”.

And yet, among other highly authoritarian regulations in place, Victoria currently has:

  • A curfew, everybody must be home by 9pm and remain there until 5am.
  • Special work permits for “essential workers”, which must be carried at all times and presented to any law enforcement officer that asks.
  • Police check points on the roads – “leaving a restricted area” is now a criminal offense.
  • “Indefinitely suspended” all Jury trials – all criminal proceedings are now bench trials (they tried that in Scotland, too)
  • A 60 minute limit for anyone leaving their home to exercise, and a rule forbidding people from going more than 5km (3.1 miles) from their home.
  • Instituted a mandatory masks for anyone leaving the house for any reason.

Though notionally intended to be “temporary measures” which only lasted six weeks, they have already extended that timeline for a further six months. There is some planned “loosening” of these restrictions, but with such vague and mutable conditions it’s unlikely this “new normal” is going away.

Indeed the “emergency” is so comparatively minor that this precedent means almost any future event can be designated a “disaster” or “emergency”, and used as excuse to impose authoritarian social controls.

The ever quotable Daniel Andrews

The Victorian Premier, Daniel Andrews has been a quote machine during this pandemic. When challenged on the draconian nature of the new rules Andrews said [our emphasis]:

The most logical, the most prudent thing to do, is to simply accept the fact that we have a need for rules … they’re not about individual liberty, they’re about public health.”

When asked about the 74 protesters arrested in Melbourne this past weekend, he said [again..our emphasis]:

It’s not smart, it’s not right…it’s not the time for protest...No one has the right to make choices like that, that potentially puts at risk everything we are working towards.”

Andrews is currently subject to a vote of no confidence from the opposition.

Enthusiastic Police Brutality

The Victorian police have certainly launched into their new mandates with gusto. Raiding the homes of people who share certain facebook posts before arresting them for “incitement” and violently detaining those who weren’t wearing masks in public.

Oh, they are also detaining people at checkpoints for no reason at all, and hitting protesters with their cars putting them in hospital. Some people are being arrested for refusing to identify themselves or “driving on a highway” or “refusing to follow orders”.

The situation in Victoria is terrible, but it’s not much worse than here in the UK, or the US or many other countries around the world. People need to resist it, non compliance and non-conformity have never been more important.

We’re in a grip of a fascism pilot scheme, and the only way to stop it is to see it and say it.

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George Dickson
George Dickson
Mar 12, 2021 8:14 AM

If you or others are subject to any unwanted physical force by any Australian parliament employee in relation to your medical choices anywhere on the island of Australia your right to self defence in these matters has been held for you.

Refuse any charges for any damage or injury or loss of life inflicted upon parliament’s armed forces during their attack.

You are authorised to use any level of force you feel you require against these lethally armed attackers.
In front of court claim you are a civilian defending against an armed and hostile force but have had no time to create a formal militia. Quote them NSW vs George Dickson and demand the matter be treated similarly as a military action instead of a criminal process.

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Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 11:35 AM

Fascism didn’t arrive with this. It’s been with us for a long time. Journos, alternative ‘and’ corporate media, have not usually described our societies (most of the planet) as ‘fascist’ and people just followed their example. What is fascism? Mussolini is the expert on it and he calls it, simply, the alignment of, and joint rule by, the capitalist class and the political class. They rule jointly, cutting the people out. The people are lied to and told that their fascism is democracy, evidenced by (manipulated) elections and voting. We have had fascism since the goals laid out by the Trilateralists in the late 70s – namely the re-designing of governments that, essentially, took them from the people and put them in the hands of powerful, special capitalist interests – were realized. With the arrival of the American-led Corporatocracy, taking its marching orders from the Transnational Capitalist Class (whose members… Read more »

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Lisa Riley
Sep 21, 2020 6:08 AM

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Tony
Tony
Sep 20, 2020 5:37 PM

Fucking wow!!! Dissent by Nick Triggle on the British Brainwashing Corporation:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54221953

Simon
Simon
Sep 21, 2020 10:00 AM
Reply to  Tony

Looking at that graph it seems they have designed a test that will give astronomical figures in the winter. They started the charade in the spring so it wouldn’t be too obvious how big the numbers would get if the test was used in mid winter. If it had been used 20 years ago or was used in 20 years time it would still give positive results having no relationship to the actual theory of how these viruses are supposed to die out.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 20, 2020 1:55 PM

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/18/van-morrisons-lockdown-protest-songs-will-prove-untapped-potential/

I can’t access this article unless I start a “one-month free trial” (fuck that!) but what I can see looks like written-by-the-numbers:

“Van Morrison’s lockdown protest songs will prove the untapped potential of unwoke listeners

Sooner or later, the Left’s monopoly on anger was going to be broken by something worth getting angry about”

Yes, you can see where they’re going with this. Van’s protest – along with anyone else’s – against the lockdown must be a right-wing protest! Or even worse – an unwoke protest!

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 20, 2020 2:58 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Well, it’s the Fabians, SWP, WSWS, Trades Unions and the fake Left’s pathetic, spineless fault for siding with the ruling class. Their decades worth of political virtue signalling have been an empty lie – worn like a designer coat.

‘Treachery’ is not a strong enough a word for these sell-out Quislings.

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 20, 2020 4:37 AM

There is something that has come rather forcefully to my attention of late: The people in the media who speak to us, or for us, are often people who are, frankly, not too bright. They are bright enough to draw obvious conclusions from obvious facts, but not so bright that they can enthusiastically uncover, and draw attention to, uncomfortable truths and facts, which might prevent them from “fitting in” with their colleagues in the workplace… I have found myself tracing the facial features, the body language and, above all, the life in the eyes of our media airheads – or the lack of it – back to my memories of the same types of people from my infant school days, and it is really rather disquieting to realize that among what passes for “the authorities” today, I regularly see the same faces as those children who were known back then… Read more »

Candace Jones
Candace Jones
Sep 20, 2020 12:09 PM
Reply to  wardropper

People don’t know what they don’t know. Educate people, inform people, give people different perspectives and they may shift their own perspective towards seeing things differently. Until they choose to see differently they won’t see differently. You make it sound like these people are somehow challenged but I think that’s a projection on your part. Most people in the media are very intelligent, very successful, highly qualified etc. It’s a difficult job and requires skill at many levels. Many will have had good upbringings and many will have had great educations. The people who bring you OffG all have some form of prior journalistic experience and I believe some even worked for the Guardian itself at one point, hence OffGuardian. Are these people the little challenged children you depict? Be careful where you go with that because it only benefits you to say yes if those people don’t agree with… Read more »

kevin
kevin
Sep 20, 2020 11:07 PM
Reply to  Candace Jones

You lost me at “being a news anchor is a respectable job.” Street prostitution is far more respectable. You give news reporters far too much credit. From my experience with them, they are no different than entertainers whose only desires are attention and status. Most of them couldn’t care less one way or another if they’re telling the truth or lies. But I suppose I agree with you that they’re not children. Rather, they are corrupt adults. “Most people in the media are very intelligent, very successful, highly qualified etc. It’s a difficult job and requires skill at many levels.” No, the most important requirement is the willingness to repeat what you’re told to the public regardless of its veracity. “Difference is freedom, liberation.” Lies and fabrications on behalf of the ruling class are not differences, and they certainly have nothing to do with freedom and liberation. “That’s why we… Read more »

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 11:57 AM
Reply to  kevin

I’d go one further. If doctors, who take a hippocratic oath, can cruelly incarcerate old people in hospitals, on the fake premise that they have covid (which shouldn’t matter), where they die utterly alone and in terror, Am I surprised to find that reporters on tv (which is big pharma-funded) just say what they are paid to say and really don’t care? No.

The above ‘cruel doctors’ story was one that was told by Dr Sucharit Bhakdi in his recent discussion with Del Bigtree. (I have issues with The Highwire and Del’s views, but he does perform a valuable public service in reporting on the criminality of big pharma and fighting for health freedom and informed consent.)

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 11:50 AM
Reply to  Candace Jones

“They simply don’t know what they don’t know.” But there’s more to say about that. I am always reminding people that caring means knowing. And limited caring can be dangerous. A mother who cares about the health of her infant and eagerly gets it vaccinated with a Hep B vaccine is putting her child at great risk. (See Del Bigtree on that subject.) A mother who cares fully about her child’s health would look into the substances that doctors want to inject into her child, again and again I might add. When you care, especially as a parent with children who you want to protect, you then put your head up (figurately and sometimes literally as well) and look around. When you look, then you see. When you see, then you know. You know what dangers might be there and you can protect your loved ones and yourself. And that’s… Read more »

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 21, 2020 7:54 PM
Reply to  Candace Jones

I was, of course, only referring to the halfwits at the BBC, CBC, Huffington Post, Fox News, Washington Post, Guardian, etc.
I am not disputing that journalism is a demanding profession – or at least it should be – but OffGuardian exists because GOOD journalism has been systematically destroyed in all our main media. Good journalists who don’t conform lose their jobs, or are forced to resign.
OffG’s motto, “Because facts really OUGHT to be sacred” says it all, and the media I listed above are now represented by shameless place-holders intead of people who were once encouraged to search for the truth.

Anthony Porter
Anthony Porter
Sep 22, 2020 3:13 AM
Reply to  Candace Jones

Most people in the media are very intelligent, very successful, highly qualified etc. It’s a difficult job and requires skill at many levels.”
Yes, LYING and spinning FEAR among the gullible masses is indeed a very lucrative career in this ‘new normal’ world ruled by covid-19 mob hysteria, which those ‘very successful, highly qualified’ spin doctors have facilitated and now maintain.
Funny how most people don’t actually want any of it, but again, thanks to the same ‘very successful, highly qualified’ people in the media, they are literally too afraid to say so.

my parents said know
my parents said know
Sep 20, 2020 2:40 AM

compliance is feudal

Theobalt
Theobalt
Sep 20, 2020 3:54 AM

well I’m afraid it’s coming back in style big time

Roberto Sandoval
Roberto Sandoval
Sep 20, 2020 2:33 AM

Sir, the article helps me to understand the devastating impact of australian government’ policies. Unfortunately you are wrong on Generalismo Franco.
Viva Franco, Viva España una grande y Libre

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 20, 2020 7:29 PM

Sí, ¡viva Franco el gran hijo de puta!

Brian Harry
Brian Harry
Sep 20, 2020 2:12 AM

The current Liberal/National Party does not represent the Australian people. It’s major sponsor is the “IPA. (Institute of Public Affairs) who’s members represent the “cream” of Australia’s RICHEST people, such as Rupert Murdoch, Gina Rhinehart, “Twiggy” Forrest ,Anthony Pratt, etc etc…..Our current PM follows a American style ‘Evangelical’ Religion, which of course, makes him look like an American Religious Nutter.

Is it possible the Queen could intervene(as she has done before), and rid us of the Imbeciles who currently run Australia????

Anthony Porter
Anthony Porter
Sep 20, 2020 7:06 AM
Reply to  Brian Harry

Ha-ha Even if she could Brian, what will they be replaced with? Certainly no-one who might be any better They’re all complicit players in this evil scam – none of them are subservient to the electorate that voted them into power, they’re all treacherous liars who all reap the rewards and bribes offered to them by the unelected bureaucrats and apparatchiks (and various affiliated NGOs), who occupy and run the United Nations: Now the largest and most powerful socialist organisation in the world. The ‘Sustainable Development 2030 Agenda’ is an anti-capitalist and anti-humanity agenda where a central one world socialist / Marxist government will control every aspect of our lives under a strict totalitarian regime and they are using this ‘pandemic’ ruse to usher it in by stealth so nobody notices they’re being played as scientifically illiterate fools. But don’t take my word for it, you can see it, read… Read more »

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 11:58 AM
Reply to  Brian Harry

The Queen? She’s a parasite.

Stan Jacobs
Stan Jacobs
Sep 20, 2020 1:11 AM

Pelosi would adopt this plan as soon as possible.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 19, 2020 10:14 PM

For some strange and bizarre reason, the memory of an obscure black and white film I had seen decades ago just popped into my head: ‘Thunder Rock’, starring Michael Redgrave.

I’ve just read through the plot on Wikipedia.. OMG!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunder_Rock_(film)

austin martin
austin martin
Sep 20, 2020 1:47 AM
Reply to  Eyes Open

V for Vendetta, its eerily similar

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 19, 2020 8:13 PM

I thought I’d have a look in on that Swiss Propaganda Research (now Swiss Policy Research) and googled the name. First link up was this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Propaganda_Research  Predictable gatekeeping stuff. But I noticed this: The site has been widely criticised for spreading conspiracy theories, especially during the times of the COVID-19 pandemic when it has become a source of misinformation and disinformation internationally.[2] The [2] supplies a link here: https://www.br.de/nachrichten/deutschland-welt/faktenfuchs-wie-glaubwuerdig-ist-swiss-policy-research,S128XLH It’s all in German but I ran it through the translator. The extended article generates a suitably impressive air of “scientific objectivity” with references to the “standards of scientific or journalistic work”. But it’s interesting to see the obvious presuppositions. Such as this at the very beginning: Corona deniers and deprivators often refer to the platform “Swiss Policy Research”, formerly “Swiss Propaganda Research”. It gives itself the appearance of a research group – but it works unscientific and depicts conspiracy myths.… Read more »

Simon
Simon
Sep 19, 2020 6:29 PM

An interesting thing with the twin towers that connects them to covid (masks) is that they had a sort of fly net/ mesh appearance.

Simon
Simon
Sep 19, 2020 6:46 PM
Reply to  Simon

What does it mean? Perhaps the masked zombies should get out of their towers before it is too late?

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 19, 2020 4:59 PM

And here is another update from your emotionally manipulative war propagandist unit: https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/18732205.noel-gallagher-ian-brown-van-morrison-need-change-record-virus-talk/ First, get in good with the fans: “Musicians, songwriters pop stars, and rock stars are brilliant. Brilliant at playing instruments, at writing songs and at performing and entertaining millions of people with their lyrical and musical talents particularly when the are at the peak of their creativity.” Now get in with the moral lecture: “But when it comes to virology, population health control dealing with a global pandemic their talents are not really in tune with what the world needs.” And “we” are “in tune” with what “the world needs”! “First, it was Ian Brown, frontman of the legendary Manchester band The Stone Roses. Banging the drum against the Government efforts to save lives and stop the virus killing more people than it already has.” A bit of self-righteous question begging there. “Tweeting his opposition to the… Read more »

Fact Checker
Fact Checker
Sep 19, 2020 6:22 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Thanks for slumming through the MSM so we don’t have to…
and great commentary on your part!

Anthony Porter
Anthony Porter
Sep 19, 2020 9:18 PM
Reply to  George Mc

It’s coming to its natural end… All of these sorts of pathetic and desperate ad-homenim attacks by MSM propagandists only expose their fear. They are worried now, that their abominable agenda which was rather poorly hidden within the covoid19 ‘planned-demic’ Trojan Horse, is being exposed and the otherwise gullible public are being shown the TRUTH about it and more and more of them are finally waking up. Albeit maybe a little too late – an awful lot of damage has already been inflicted on the global economy and millions of lives have been ruined unfortunately. We, the people are winning this war. and they’re now desperately trying all sorts of deflections and spinning more blatant exaggerations and just straight out lies in a desperate effort to keep the serfs living in fear. But the serfs are not as dumb as they thought. They went too far with the fake over-inflated… Read more »

Anthony Porter
Anthony Porter
Sep 20, 2020 12:59 AM
Reply to  George Mc

You might find this hard-hitting, short essay quite interesting, worth reading I think; just a shame the sleepwalking, compliant public cannot see the huge elephant in the room and wonder if they ever will.

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 12:06 PM
Reply to  Anthony Porter

I’ve bookmarked the blog. I like the About, so I’ll spend some time checking out the website. I will be watching specifically for any reference to the covid 19 pandemic that suggests it’s real. I don’t have much time for those who say it is.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 19, 2020 4:19 PM

It didn’t take long: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54194408 “Coronavirus: Van Morrison lockdown protest songs ‘dangerous’ …. Van Morrison song alludes to debunked conspiracy theory” Well that’s a bit risky. “Conspiracy theory” is supposed to indicate a self-refuting matter. To say “debunked” is to indicate that some may not be debunked and may therefore be …choke! … credible?   In another lyric Van says “Well on the government website from the 21 March 2020 / It said COVID-19 was no longer high risk”. The article explains: “It’s a reference to a UK government page that stated “Covid-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) in the UK”. That much is true – but that doesn’t mean that coronavirus is harmless.” So it seems that the new criteria for hyperventilating terror is “not harmless”! Now see if you pick up the message here: “Mr Swann said: “I don’t know where… Read more »

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 12:09 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Robin Swann = gangster

George McFetridge
George McFetridge
Sep 19, 2020 3:42 PM

The current scamdemic should be seen as war. And waging war, which is irrational destructiveness, is getting very abstracted relative to the traditional foregrounding of tanks and guns etc. In this evolution can be seen evidence of the displacement of the human – also plain to see in the computer takeover of daily life. It’s very clever how we’ve replaced our perennially in-the-dark, endlessly divisive selves with artificial intelligence. That said, of course, nuclear weaponry could still take us all out, but this evolving abstraction of warfare speaks volumes about how lost we are as to the true capacity to face life. This post is deliberately limited to a discussion of war.

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 20, 2020 5:03 AM

I most certainly didn’t replace myself with artificial intelligence, thank you.
Now, get off my property.

George McFetridge
George McFetridge
Sep 20, 2020 5:23 AM
Reply to  wardropper

‘get off my property’ – exactly it.
Pretending to be not of the world, also, as though an ‘individual set apart’.
Perfect divisiveness reinforcing points made.
This isn’t argument; there’s no point to that.

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 20, 2020 6:07 AM

Oh relax.
I was doing a parody. A joke.

George McFetridge
George McFetridge
Sep 20, 2020 3:29 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Now that we have the jokes out of the way, shall we begin? What is listening?

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 21, 2020 7:57 PM

I don’t think you got the joke…

George McFetridge
George McFetridge
Sep 21, 2020 11:40 PM
Reply to  wardropper

I think I did.

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 22, 2020 12:19 AM

Your original comment is actually excellent. Forgive the foolery, which was triggered by, “It’s very clever how we’ve replaced our perennially in-the-dark, endlessly divisive selves with artificial intelligence” and the implication that “we” did it deliberately…
I have a slight resentment to being included in such generalizations, but it’s no big deal in this context.
My point is that ignorance is really the culprit, and it is hard to apportion blame to people who don’t know any better, although I would definitely be inclined to lay a large chunk of blame at the door of any Minister for Education.

George McFetridge
George McFetridge
Sep 22, 2020 6:44 AM
Reply to  wardropper

I was going to write back to say that the joke was your defensiveness, but here it looks like you may have dropped that for the moment, which enables listening. Thus listening is no-defensiveness.
Do show me how you are beyond what you call ‘generalization’ about [actually observation of] irresponsibility here in the human world.
What’s the root of ignorance? It’s rather lame to blame. Is knowledge king for you?
Let’s get to excellence here.

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 23, 2020 3:31 PM

I never claimed to be “beyond” generalization. I only claim that I attempt to avoid it, whereas you appear to assume that I consider myself somehow superior. Then come assumptions from you about my probably thinking that “knowledge is king”, and that your definition of excellence should be everybody’s. I know my limitations, but I do try to keep them out of serious discussion. They are based upon my own life experience, which you know nothing about, and your supercilious, sneering tone does nothing to help us get to “excellence” here. One of the things I try to avoid in particular is the generalization that “we” do this, or “we” do that as a species, although I do sometimes lapse into that out of sheer frustration. The reason I try to avoid it is because it overlooks the individual human, and that leaves us with only the crowd to consider… Read more »

George McFetridge
George McFetridge
Sep 23, 2020 3:53 PM
Reply to  wardropper

There are no individuals, psychologically.

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 23, 2020 4:31 PM

Yes there are, psychologically.
I think we’re done.

George McFetridge
George McFetridge
Sep 23, 2020 4:39 PM
Reply to  wardropper

You are the world. Carry on, friend!

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 23, 2020 4:48 PM

You too.

Edwige
Edwige
Sep 19, 2020 2:09 PM

Melbourne’s “ring of steel” might be re-named for a catchier phrase…

How about “iron curtain”?

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 12:10 PM
Reply to  Edwige

Perfect!

Tjm
Tjm
Sep 19, 2020 2:02 PM

As an American, I can say we are not the pinnacle of power, America is run by the same Zionist Communists that run the rest of you. Trump is a Zionist globalist with deep ties to the Russian mafia. America is being set up for a fake civil war. Australia seems like a testing ground for the Zionist to see how far they can take all this. 9/11 was CIA and Mossad, not Osama, and they have used they false flag to destroy America. Because many Americans bought into the lie of 9/11, these evil powers were allowed to move forward with their plans. America is the ultimate prize here..after the obligatory “election” which Trump will be handed (America’s voting machine and the software they run on is made in Israel). the Zionist’s media and politicians will move to make it appear their is a constitutional crisis, riots and mayhem.… Read more »

Tony
Tony
Sep 19, 2020 12:47 PM

Some interesting new research published by Oxford University:

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/almost-one-third-covid-deaths-155426618.html

This snippet stood out particularly:

“In the lockdown, there may have been even more deaths that were not caused by Covid, but were caused by the actions of lockdown – and that is imortant to know.” addad Dr Oke.

Tjm
Tjm
Sep 19, 2020 1:26 PM
Reply to  Tony

I think it is important to move past the covid scam, we know it was hyped, we know it is being used, but the powers that be foment THAT debate so as to keep us from debating the FACT that the government has no right to steal our rights. The issues about covid and its supposed risk are for each individual to sort out for themselves, collectively though we all need to insure our freedoms.

Tony
Tony
Sep 19, 2020 2:28 PM
Reply to  Tjm

I’m sure pretty much all of us on these BTLs moved past the covid scam long ago. But we are a small minority. Which is why info such as that in the article I linked appearing in the MSM is hugely important to set the majority off down the right path.

Tjm
Tjm
Sep 21, 2020 1:49 PM
Reply to  Tony

True enough

Anthony Porter
Anthony Porter
Sep 19, 2020 2:09 AM

How bizarrely irrational and insane does it have to be for the compliant masked zombies to finally wake up to the fact that they’re being played for the total FOOLS they really are?

ame
ame
Sep 19, 2020 9:00 AM
Reply to  Anthony Porter

The same compliant zombies who go out every 4 years and vote ritual even
worse the same numptys who post breitbart like you even though the intel out by many who explained there owned by the same oppressor selling you political utopia via a prison
same mind control idiots who now endorsed billionaire as heros of freedumb whilst in lockdown

Anthony Porter
Anthony Porter
Sep 19, 2020 10:02 AM
Reply to  ame

👏👏 you seem a little triggered perhaps? Just slip your nice designer face diaper on and go for a calming and relaxing stroll and find some nice little safe space somewhere, where those right wing ‘fascist’ Trump supporting,white supremacists won’t be anywhere in sight, thus won’t offend you with their presence; where you’ll be able to read your Washington Post, or maybe Huffington Post, in peace. And if the billionaire you have in mind is Trump, I couldn’t agree more. He claims he withdrew funding to the WHO, but redirected many millions more to a Bill & Melinda Gates funded pharmaceutical company (GAVI) instead. Whilst the BMLGF is the largest sponsor of socialist controlled WHO. Talk about conflict of interest. Oh one more thing: I’m an Australian and I don’t vote for any of them, let alone every 4 years (even though voting in Australia is mandatory, so if you… Read more »

Kiwijoker
Kiwijoker
Sep 19, 2020 9:54 PM
Reply to  Anthony Porter

Brilliant.

Not voting

… is giving what power you have

to those who

Do vote.

That’s how you influence an election.

Anthony Porter
Anthony Porter
Sep 19, 2020 10:19 PM
Reply to  Kiwijoker

Yes, it does, however my reason for not voting is on principle, it’s like giving the whole political class the middle finger salute. None of them can be trusted or believed. Lying is what they do best. ALL of them.
Since this Covid19 scandal started, all parties have demonstrated their true colours – that they are all subservient to the socialist UN and other foreign deep state NGOs, NOT to their own citizens who foolishly trusted them and voted for them.
They’re all tarred with the same deep state’s brush. Not worth voting for.
Apart from that, the elections are always rigged anyway, so your vote often doesn’t count. Why bother.
But you’re right, a non vote still influences the outcome of any election, including rigged elections.

Kiwijoker
Kiwijoker
Sep 19, 2020 10:31 PM
Reply to  Anthony Porter

The ‘political class’ (which by your own definition you are a member of) have no fear of your middle finger. Or probably any of your fingers. Defeatist attitudes give the media-ocrity their paper thin power. You have fallen into their trap dear chap.
Climb out.
The ladder is in your vote.

Anthony Porter
Anthony Porter
Sep 20, 2020 12:36 AM
Reply to  Kiwijoker

I could use the same argument to try and convince you why anyone should not vote. I.e. any vote is wasted. We vote for the candidates based upon what we believe they can do for us, but whatever they promise always ends in disappointment. So why trust them and why vote? Years ago when I used to participate, in this pseudo-democracy I often ended up kicking myself for not voting the ‘opposition’ because the policies I believed would be enacted by the candidates I’d voted for were usually false promises – lies. Merely juicy carrots they’d dangled in front of us to convince us to vote for them, nothing more. A fairly recent classic example of this despicable lying, was in 2010 when Labor’s Julia Gillard promised Australians she would never introduce a ‘carbon tax’. (I never voted for anyone of course), but a large portion of the Federal electorate… Read more »

Kiwijoker
Kiwijoker
Sep 20, 2020 11:02 PM
Reply to  Anthony Porter

A pleasure to read your eloquent and reasoned response Anthony.

I am intrigued as to what social system of contracts you would champion?

.

Anthony Porter
Anthony Porter
Sep 21, 2020 12:09 AM
Reply to  Kiwijoker

Thanks Kiwijoker, I would champion a revamped or revised version of the current representative democracy system. Basically, there is nothing wrong with it as a ‘blueprint’ for governmental structure, if only the rules were more strictly observed and obeyed by the people who entrusted them and elected them into power, based on their faith in them to serve them honestly and fairly. The LYING and rampant corruption has to stop, or it will only get worse, Any lying or failure to serve the electorate honestly and fairly without reasonable justification, should be exposed and dealt with by severe penalties. This covid19 scam for example, is based on 95% lies and the rest fudged data and exaggeration and as a result they have ruined our economy and millions of lives. The whole narrative and in particular the absurd, over-the-top response to it is nothing less than treason. They are subservient to… Read more »

Theobalt
Theobalt
Sep 20, 2020 3:11 AM
Reply to  Kiwijoker

unfortunately, the ladder was never made long enough to reach the roof

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 12:13 PM
Reply to  Anthony Porter

“socialist”? I was with you until that.

Anthony Porter
Anthony Porter
Sep 22, 2020 1:59 AM
Reply to  Arby

Ok if its not socialist, what is it then? It sure as heck isn’t ‘democracy’. There are only minor differences between ‘socialism’, ‘fascism’, ‘Marxism’, ‘communism’. All of them share the same totalitarian / authoritarian system of control and enslavement of the population, under a despotically governed society, where people have no freedom or civil rights; rather like what people are being subjected to right now in most countries, with this covid-19 hidden agenda. I used the term socialist, but I could just as easily used ‘fascist’, ‘communist’ or ‘Marxist’. Next time I’ll just say ‘totalitarian’ or maybe ‘draconian’, to satisfy those who are concerned with detail. It’s interesting the number of comments I’ve read on numerous blogs and forums, where so many commentators pedantically argue the differences between socialism / communism etc., but none of their arguments ever really debunk anyone else’s. They are are all technically correct, so what… Read more »

Arby
Arby
Sep 22, 2020 1:05 PM
Reply to  Anthony Porter

Okay then. I guess that settles that.

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 20, 2020 5:09 AM
Reply to  Kiwijoker

Not voting is giving what power you have to those who do vote.

Sounds cool.
Except that you have no power to give.
Elections are fixed.
There are plenty of people in history who have fixed elections, as well as others who have commented on the fixing.
My favourite is Mark Twain:
“If voting made any difference, they wouldn’t let us do it”.
That was a long time ago, and Twain knew a thing or two.

Anthony Porter
Anthony Porter
Sep 20, 2020 7:29 AM
Reply to  wardropper

The most appropriate Twain quote for the current political crisis would be this one:
“It is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 21, 2020 7:45 PM
Reply to  Anthony Porter

Sure. But I was answering KiwiJoker’s point.

Anthony Porter
Anthony Porter
Sep 21, 2020 8:40 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Sorry..

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 21, 2020 9:35 PM
Reply to  Anthony Porter

No apologies necessary. I very much like the Twain quote you provided.

Anthony Porter
Anthony Porter
Sep 22, 2020 1:27 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Ah, okay thanks mate. BTW: I enjoy reading your commentary too – both our worldviews seem pretty much the same.

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 22, 2020 1:38 AM
Reply to  Anthony Porter

You know, I really owe you an apology. My comment was incomprehensibly rude. I was in a rush and just took your comment out of context, assuming you were correcting mine, which of course you weren’t.
I surprise myself sometimes… I’m the one who is sorry.

Anthony Porter
Anthony Porter
Sep 22, 2020 2:40 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Noooo!😊 You’re being a little hard on yourself wardropper, it’s okay, I can assure you, no offence taken. We’re both singing from the same song sheet here which is important. Everyone on this Godforsaken planet needs to be directed to that song sheet too. If they could only wake up to see things in realistic perspective the way we and most of us on this blog see things, and would therefore, be able to ignore the hype as we do; this whole scam-demic and its bizarre ‘new normal’ they’re trying to force upon us would just die naturally and slip into the history books – the only place it should be welcome. The only real pandemic infecting and needlessly terrifying the hoodwinked people, is the highly contagious ‘ignorantitis’, which is rampantly spread through global communities by incessant mainstream media lies and fear campaigns. If only there was a ‘misinformation’ vaccine… Read more »

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 23, 2020 3:03 PM
Reply to  Anthony Porter

Yes, if only… Thanks for the reply of a true gentleman.

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 12:15 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Agreed. People should see that more clearly than ever with this pandemic hoax. The politicians, with a few exceptions, have completely abandoned the people.

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 12:13 PM
Reply to  Anthony Porter

ame’s comment really look AI-generated to me. But it’s just as likely that he or she is illiterate.

Simon
Simon
Sep 19, 2020 10:25 AM
Reply to  ame

The same zombies who have their kids injected with poison repeatedly.

Anthony Porter
Anthony Porter
Sep 19, 2020 12:41 PM
Reply to  Simon

Yep, those ones. Blissfully unaware they are putting their lives at risk, not protecting them from anything..

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 12:17 PM
Reply to  Anthony Porter

That’s an example of limited caring, which can be harmful. The State tells you to stop your kids from breathing for their own good and so, because you care about “their own good,” you mask your child – if you didn’t bother to lift a little finger and inform yourself. Turning on the tv set and believing all that State stenographers tell you doesn’t qualify as informing yourself.

Anthony Porter
Anthony Porter
Sep 21, 2020 12:44 PM
Reply to  Arby

“Turning on the tv set and believing all that State stenographers tell you doesn’t qualify as informing yourself.” 👍👍
It does however, qualify as harmful indoctrination and blatant child abuse by the state.. I haven’t watched TV in years for any longer than a few minutes at a time, maybe once every 6 months or so and that’s only because I’m somewhere such as Doctor’s waiting room with a TV blaring out the usual destructive rhetoric. Every time I watch / listen I cringe. Even sports now! They have cardboard cut-outs of people (even dogs), instead of actual spectators in the grandstands and recorded ‘canned’ crowd noises. SICKENING stuff! The ‘new normal’. it’s so weird, even surreal like a bad dream. Yet even devout footy fans accept this rape of their way of life.

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 4:38 PM
Reply to  Anthony Porter

Canned crowd noises? I thought I read something like that. I didn’t think that it was a regular feature. I don’t own a tv set and I wouldn’t be watching sports if I did, but that’s scary. They used to do that for sitcoms. I grew up with them and got used to them. But now, when I check out something (Beverly Hillbillies or something), the canned laughter just annoys the hell out of me. It’s actually quite creepy.

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 20, 2020 5:18 AM
Reply to  ame

Oh, for a comma, or a full stop…
Reminds me of “Vicky” in “Little Britain”…
https://youtu.be/rxCPj40eFNc

Anthony Porter
Anthony Porter
Sep 21, 2020 12:25 PM
Reply to  wardropper

😊I was going to say something about that too, but couldn’t be bothered, knowing it’s be water over a duck’s back. I’ve noticed a lot of them (leftards), use that new semiliterate, unpunctuated writing style and their other favourite, in both written and oral communication, is every third word is ‘like’ or ‘you-know’…

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 19, 2020 1:18 PM
Reply to  Anthony Porter

You’ve linked Breitbart!

Anthony Porter
Anthony Porter
Sep 19, 2020 1:45 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

Yes Breitbart. Quick arrest me! Crime of the century now to have an alternative view. What do link to? Huffington Post? If so good for you.

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 12:19 PM
Reply to  Anthony Porter

I don’t like Breitbart. But they do pick up stuff now and then and if I want to point to the news item that they’ve picked up because I can’t easily find it elsewhere, I may.

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 12:11 PM
Reply to  Anthony Porter

It doesn’t matter how much reading you do to a cow; It won’t understand.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Sep 19, 2020 1:17 AM

An update on the situation in Victoria. These chilling amendments to the Omnibus Bill were passed in the Victorian Parliament in the Legislative Council last night by 39 votes to 21 votes.
They now go to the Upper House, and if they’re passed there, these amendments will become law.
Where the fu** are all the human rights lawyers and supposed champions of free speech? Right now I feel pretty sick.
Victoria is now in a dark place and so many are silent, or even worse, supporting this.

Glenda
Glenda
Sep 19, 2020 4:55 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Am appalled, gobsmacked, by the numbers supporting it! Is it because the populace are too afraid of fines and worse so will not speak out? Comments I see among ‘friends’ on fb are that ‘we just have to get through this’, and ‘good on you Dan you’re doing a great job of keeping us safe’ and ‘if you have a nice warm place, a fridge, and food, what are you complaining about’. WTF?!!

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Sep 19, 2020 6:19 AM
Reply to  Glenda

Oh god Glenda… I’ve just been on Channel 7 news Facebook about a small impromptu protest here in Melbourne today.
Over 5.3K comments, and hundreds and hundreds of them hurling so much abuse, and demanding protesters be jailed. They want people fighting for Their freedom to be jailed.
Some even suggested they be sent to Christmas Island. Others wanted them tasered and heavily fined. Just mind boggling. Cannot believe the mentality of these people.

Glenda
Glenda
Sep 19, 2020 8:41 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

This is frightening. And all for what? Talking to friend who works in Aged Care, she says the elderly say unlock the country, bring it on, we’ve had a good life. But it is their children, the middle aged and younger people who are in no danger who are fighting to stay locked up. And I blame the media, the fear factor. Strange how the BLM protests were sanctioned and no reports of the virus spreading….

Simon
Simon
Sep 19, 2020 9:03 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Doesn’t seem accurate what you say.

Gezzah Pot
Gezzah Pot
Sep 19, 2020 9:22 AM
Reply to  Simon

Simon, I just went back on that story a short time ago. It now has over 6.4K comments.
I’ve gone through tons of the comments – and, yes, true, there are anti lockdown comments and people opposed to what Andrews is doing, but the clear majority are fully supporting Daniel Andrews and the draconian measures happening here.
And, yes, I’ve seen heaps and heaps of comments calling for people to be arrested. And, yes, I’ve checked quite a few profiles of the people making these comments, and they seem legit accounts.
There is a huge amount of Stockholm Syndrome happening here. That’s a fact that other Australian commenters at Offguardian can easily verify to you.
Have a good day.

Tjm
Tjm
Sep 19, 2020 1:47 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Pot

When reason is devoid from reality, question reality. Just because there are many fascist comments does not mean that is how your neighbor feels, have faith in humanity. We ARE AT WAR, and their goal is to make us feel alone in our fight for freedoms. They control the internet and the media, politics and most major corporations, but they don’t own our minds unless we let them. I would bet most of those “thousands of comments” are fake, sock puppets…we saw the EXACT same thing with “Muslim terroism”, where after each terrorist attack, the sock puppets would swarm the internet pushing hate against Muslims…

Theobalt
Theobalt
Sep 19, 2020 11:15 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Pot

I think TJM here might have a strong point Gezzah

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Sep 20, 2020 3:25 AM
Reply to  Theobalt

Yeah, I did agree with him that very obviously there are trolls and bots flooding news sites to steer opinions in a certain direction. And yes… I have spoken to people in person who were highly sceptical of the ‘pandemic’ or who straight out said it was bullshit. Not very many tho. How are things going in Canada right now? Are you in Quebec?

Theobalt
Theobalt
Sep 20, 2020 5:30 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

I am in Quebec… announced this week, 400 to 10000$ fines to those who are caught not respecting rules, by the police… your neighbour can denounce you if you have more than blah blah blah people in your house, and the police will either give u a warning or ticket… big tickets coming in the following days.. so far a week of warnings… People in shops and public transport are relaxing a bit about the rules, but they still wear their masks… they just seem less tense… Somehow our PM has got a feel of that, and was weeping about it on TV every day last week. People seem to be relaxing about this! I you people don’t understand the gravity!… etc…The second wave IS coming, and it’s going to be a bitch. Don’t force me to close everything including the sun and the moon cuz I will… I don’t… Read more »

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 12:25 PM
Reply to  Theobalt
Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 12:22 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Canada? Toronto is lost. The crazies outnumber the normal people by far. That’s just my non specialist observation. But it’s pretty hard to not notice all the loons wearing masks, above their noses, everywhere and all the time and even when they are alone.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Sep 21, 2020 1:09 PM
Reply to  Arby

Hi Arby… we’re in the deep poop I think. Since they bought in mandatory facemasks here in Melbourne, I haven’t seen one single person Not wearing one when I’ve gone to the nearby shopping centres. I see people running past my Flat…. wearing a facemask. I see lots of people drive past sitting alone in their car…. wearing a facemask. When I’ve gone for walks in the literally deserted streets around my Flat, then see one person in sight…. wearing a mask, it’s like being in a zombie movie. The brainwashing here is so successful, the Govt could tell people to jump off a cliff and a lot would do so without even blinking. And as I’ve said before, what is driving this almost total compliance is people’s fear of their own mortality. And a disconnection with themselves, and a disconnection with Nature and with a spiritual sustenance. And the… Read more »

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 1:27 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

People are ruined. I hope my week goes well too, although we are all living in hell right now. I almost envy the cattle. It can be paradise or hell and they don’t notice!

Thanks and same to you.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 19, 2020 1:24 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

This is a nightmare. I’m so sorry Gezzah Potts. All you can do is remain resolute, polite, calm. There are so many people on your side. Quote Sucharit Bhakdi et al.

I’m deeply ashamed of the Quisling Left.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Sep 19, 2020 2:29 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

You and me both my friend, tho I’m probably leaning more towards disgusted rather than ashamed. I’ll be a lot more worried if those amendments in the Omnibus Bill become law. I think the Upper House votes on them Oct 13th?

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 19, 2020 3:16 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

The only thing that can be done is to use examples from governments and the World Economic Forum of what’s in store for everyone: Covid-Pass, Operation Moonshot etc.. None of that is conspiracy.

Do those who are screaming for tighter lockdown want a future whereby they must have a vaccine status app to go to a café or to ride a bus? And what will they do if they become injured from the vaccines and compensation schemes have been removed?

They need to pick a side.

If they become injured from the rushed vaccines, then I will have no sympathy for them when they’ve helped to impose them on everyone else.

Incidentally, I saw on Simon Dolan’s Twitter feed that the volunteer who became ill from the vaccine trials in Oxford has lost the use of their hands and feet.

country girl
country girl
Sep 21, 2020 4:35 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Im horrified at the Omnibus Bill – Australians just seem to be SO complacent about this (Im Australian). There seems to be NO fight for freedom here (alot of my friends included).

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Sep 21, 2020 5:22 AM
Reply to  country girl

The last really big protests in Australia were against the Iraq War in 2003. Since then, people here have become increasingly apathetic.
I’m pretty shocked at what’s going on as well CG.
But more so, that supposed ordinary people are demanding those who protest against the lockdowns be jailed or sent to Christmas Island!!
Most here just cannot see where this is going. That scares me. And I would bet money that a majority in Melbourne would support the amendments to the Omnibus Bill. Its absolutely surreal.
Im a New Zealand citizen stuck in Melbourne, but I hear its fairly similar back home as well. Hope your week goes well👍

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 12:26 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

The Quisling Left is not the entire Left, even if it is most of the Left. I’m leftwing.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 21, 2020 1:27 PM
Reply to  Arby

Agreed. I’m the same.

Tjm
Tjm
Sep 19, 2020 1:41 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Be very careful when reading anonymous comments on any site, they are just as likely to be paid trolls than real people. We live in a world where a regular flu can be turned into an “extinction event”. They can create any narrative out of this air. One of the ways they do it is with anonymity, “sock puppet” technology, where one person an have unlimited accounts. They know dam well people often gain much of their opinions from the comment sections, so they often flood those sections with comments making people think “THIS IS HOW PEOPLE ACTUALLY FEEL”, it is most often a LIE. This IS about controlling the masses, the key is to move past weapons like Facebook and get back to face to face contact, neighbors, clerks, family, friends…

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Sep 19, 2020 2:36 PM
Reply to  Tjm

Appreciate your feedback Tjm, and I hear what you say about Facebook, and instead talking to people face to face.
I know there are lots of trolls and astroturfers and bots. The people behind this scamdemic have had access to the best behavioural scientists, psychologists, PR people and of course they got the media as well.

Alex
Alex
Sep 19, 2020 3:23 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

A couple of interesting quotes on this.
‘At first, people will accept and may even be eager for more top-down control’- Rockefeller Foundation 2010 Lockstep Document
‘The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it hates those that speak it’- George Orwell

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Sep 19, 2020 10:18 PM
Reply to  Alex

I’ve been thinking about that Orwell quote a lot recently, because it’s so apt to what is happening in Melbourne.
And all those hurling abuse at ‘virus deniers’ or ‘tin foil hat nuts’ would have done no research themselves. They get their “research” from the filth media.
To illustrate that, came across several comments on Channel 7 news Facebook, where they were praising Andrews, and saying we had to keep restrictions in place Until We Get Rid Of The Virus…. Can you believe that?
We can’t open up until the virus has disappeared!!

country girl
country girl
Sep 21, 2020 4:33 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Divide and conquer.

country girl
country girl
Sep 21, 2020 4:31 AM
Reply to  Glenda

Unfortunaly if you say it loud enough for long enough people believe it – its pure brainwashing. We even had a COVID 19 news channel for a few months so they would really screw with people. I live in Victoria – most people I talk to believe in CV19 and are fully intergrated sheep. Some I talk to dont want to hear about anything, some dont want to take any action even if they dont believe it, some believe CV19 so much they shout it from the roof tops. And some, like me, are truely APPALLED that we have allowed this to happen, appalled at our gov but ultimately just want to get on with our lives.

Glenda
Glenda
Sep 21, 2020 6:29 AM
Reply to  country girl

https://lockdownsceptics.org/lies-damned-lies-and-health-statistics-the-deadly-danger-of-false-positives/?fbclid=IwAR3UajozU_pB9r5sXQJlgDtY7i5OGH4ButnUu7Cn51-48-Xf24Beqqw5HVc This is a terrific explanation re testing and after reading you realise how truly criminal the behaviour is. The question is, Why? Power? Warped sense of heroism? I, Dan Andrews, saved the people from certain death and then I rebuilt the State of Victoria. Where is my medal. What I find truly disgusting is that the truth, which should be told by the Public Health officials, is nowhere to be heard. So unless people go looking, they will only know what they are told. And if they go looking and find a different narrative, they might be abused and ridiculed as being conspiracy theorists, or callous selfish murderers. My biggest fear is that come next year’s inevitable cold/flu season, this will all be repeated and we will be forcibly vaccinated like a bunch of cattle, and fined if we don’t wear masks, even though we never have before.

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 12:29 PM
Reply to  Glenda

As James Corbett stated months ago, a second wave was baked into the hoax. You absolutely have to keep the fear ramped up. The health of the vaccine market depends on it. The emerging global biosecurity police State requires it.

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 12:20 PM
Reply to  Glenda

People are mentally and spiritually ruined on this toilet planet.

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 19, 2020 5:42 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Yes, one famous human rights lawyer, Julian Burnside, has been showing his true colours lately:

https://theconversation.com/melbourne-is-using-pop-up-police-spy-stations-to-find-people-breaking-covid-rules-what-does-the-law-say-145684

It all sounds pretty sensible to me. … We are in a war against the coronavirus, and when you’re in a war with anything, restrictions on your otherwise normal liberties are justifiable.

The prick.

Gezzah Pot
Gezzah Pot
Sep 19, 2020 6:33 AM
Reply to  Cliff Edwards

I haven’t seen a list yet of who voted for the draconian amendments that were passed in Parliament last night, but I guarantee you, the Greens would’ve supported it.
Burnside fully epitomises the sheer treachery of so many alleged ‘liberals’ and ‘leftists’ in the rolling out of the fascist police state.
Greetings from the western suburbs Cliff✌️

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 19, 2020 7:13 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Pot

Greetings from the western inner city, Gezzah. If all goes well I could be returning to live in the western suburbs myself early next year, provided Dictator Dan allows it.

Matteo
Matteo
Sep 19, 2020 1:11 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Pot

Dear Gezzah, thanks for your posts. Being from a small country in Europe with about 5 % of the suppression you endure I read regularly with great shock and worry about the development especially in Australia. Many questions: Is there a chance to escape/’go dark’ for Australians/Victorians? Are there already refugees trying to get out of Victoria and Australia (as in Hong Kong)? Are there already resistance fighters as in wars? What is the reason for Victorians voting so heavily for the left/greens (8 years in power I believe) despite, as I read, scandals with your premiere and other issues? And the premiere and left/green parties responsible for your now fascist state in fact gaining seats over this long period….. Is this ruling class now being seen as traitors to the people? I mean the lies of the plandemic are so transparent and obvious. Why are Australians I always believed… Read more »

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Sep 19, 2020 2:15 PM
Reply to  Matteo

Thanks Matteo, appreciate your words. Where do I start? I know of 2 people who got out. They’re now in Mexico. Others can leave if they have bought a property interstate, but for the rest? I have no money to move anywhere (for now) even if I could. A lot of people are trapped here because of lack of money. Melbourne is ringed by checkpoints on 17 outbound roads. All vehicles are stopped and the occupants asked where they’re going. It’s a $4957 fine if you try and leave without a permitted reason. Police are on regional trains and checking where passengers are going. Its like East Germany before the Berlin Wall came down. There have been some protests here, but relatively small. Those who oppose this agenda are definitely a small minority in Melbourne. As I said to someone the other day, there needs to be minimum 50000 in… Read more »

Matteo
Matteo
Sep 19, 2020 2:38 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Thanks, agree with your ‘big picture’ analysis. Your points on Victoria make a grown man cry. Re money: Imagine how this hostage/slave situation will become when they finalized the new crypto-money scheme…. Time is running out and it’s a global thing. I’ve only recently realized that Victoria is indeed a test region for some time already…. I wonder what factors, in detail, made them pick the region. Please – if you are not aware of it already and are still able to buy books (!) – get the book ‘Technocracy – The Hard Road To World Order’ and bookmark the authors site https://www.technocracy.news/ For so long I did not get completely what really was going on hidden in plain sight for so many decades… Now the technocrats are in their end run….

David Macilwain
David Macilwain
Sep 20, 2020 1:03 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

What I see happening now in Europe seems to confirm what I wrote a couple of months ago, also on AHT: https://ahtribune.com/world/asia-pacific/australia/4290-lock-down-trap.html Because the result of lock-downs and attempts to eliminate the virus or control it with social engineering inevitably fail because the population remains as exposed as ever to infection – as happened with Victoria’s “second wave” – whether with a little help from big brother or not. The only way out of this trap is via a vaccine, but as we wait for that, other restrictive measures become entrenched. Even if we are not imprisoned within Australia and can go on carefully monitored “Staycations” to approved destinations with “nominated” other persons, we have to do so with an electronic tag. Yesterday it was suggested in the AGE that this summer people should only go to the beach at low tide, as there would be more space for them… Read more »

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Sep 20, 2020 4:21 AM

Thanks for your replies, and thanks for the link to your article; excellent by the way. Its like being in some surreal Kafkaesque nightmare. The biggest shock for me, and for most of us here at Offguardian is how easily and willingly the very large majority fell into full lockstep compliance with all the directives issued by Andrews and Sutton. Its like being trapped on the set of A Clockwork Orange, and there are days I’m really struggling mentally. And you’re right, ‘normal citizens’ have turned on anyone deemed a ‘conspiracy theorist’ or ‘tin foil hatter’ with vitriol and buckets of abuse. I’ve seen many comments demanding protesters be jailed. Yes, jailed. Or even sent to Christmas Island as one former Xavier College student demanded. Yet none of them – not one mentions the devastating impact the lockdowns and draconian measures have had on many many people. Suicides are soaring,… Read more »

David Macilwain
David Macilwain
Sep 20, 2020 2:05 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

On the same wavelength here Gezzah – and see my other comment below describing similar mask wearing symptoms. I’ve never felt this sort of anger before, and fear I might get into an argument with some member of the public. My whole focus now is on trying to stir people up into admitting they don’t like masks, and pointing out they don’t work, and that we don’t need them here. As the weather warms up I’m going to find the Palestinian scarf I wear as a mask gets too warm…
So hang in there!

Barbara McKenzie
Barbara McKenzie
Sep 20, 2020 5:31 PM

Any vaccine will be not indicated, of doubtful efficacy, almost certainly unsafe, and have indemnity. Nobody with any sense sees a covid-19 vaccine as a desirable “way out”.

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 12:36 PM

That’s my view. By the way, If you’re Barbara the blogger, Did you give up on your website? I found more there to agree with than not. I miss it.

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 12:34 PM

“The only way out of this trap is via a vaccine” Hopefully you are not saying that you believe that such a vaccine (the safety of which even corporate media is now questioning) is a good thing.

David Macilwain
David Macilwain
Sep 21, 2020 2:26 PM
Reply to  Arby

Heavens no! This is the situation however, even for those of us who reject it, as we are forbidden to leave or enter the country, and many people are now just getting used to the idea of staying imprisoned in their island until medical science saves them. However, I’d have no objection to the Russian vaccine, which is based on a tested method and appears safe and effective. In the absence of any virus in the community, the chance to become infected and immune is virtually zero – though I’d certainly prefer it. The “lock-down trap” is well illustrated by the second waves now happening in countries that have avoided allowing much immunity to develop – though of course it’s not actually a lethal wave like the first.

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 4:49 PM

You seem to have swallowed the covid Kool-Aid. James Corbett, and others, talked about the second wave months ago and what he said was logical and has proven to be true. The second wave talk is baked into the hoax. There’s no virus. They don’t know what Sars-CoV-2 or 1 is because they pulled it out of junk with all kinds of material in it, as Andrew Kaufman patiently explains in his video titled “The Rooster In The River Of Rats.” They didn’t isolate a ‘virus’. There is no covid 19. There’s just sickness, from all sorts of things, as Jon Rappoport said. Just for the record, I have little use for AHT since they disappeared comments by myself and another blogger who was responding to them. I never use foul language because I hate it. I am no topic. I’m not a flamer. I’m real. I have definite views… Read more »

country girl
country girl
Sep 21, 2020 4:40 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

‘Grown adults who won’t do any research and believe what the MSM says.’ – most of my friends are like this. Its shocking – its like their brains have been taken away.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 19, 2020 3:48 PM
Reply to  Cliff Edwards

Very interesting. The only remotely sane person whose voice I see in the Australian media is Michael Leunig but I don’t look at the media much. Anyone else?
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/the-latest-illustrations-from-artist-michael-leunig-20090711-dgl6.html

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 19, 2020 3:49 PM
Reply to  Cliff Edwards

He needs to brush up on his Camus:

“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants, and it provides the further advantage of giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience.”

Wilmers31
Wilmers31
Sep 19, 2020 5:50 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

I am not in Victoria but in Australia. Nothing happens in Australia (or in Germany, or in Britain) which is not approved and coordinated by the American apparatus. Do not blame Trump, this is existed before he came on the scene and is likely to exist after he’s gone.

Security, intelligence sharing, Canberra mystery prisoner, Bernard Collaery – the terror from security (not peace) intensifies every year until …… The Americans were not properly consulted re Darwin Port, and what a fuss they are creating because the clear enemy lines have been ruptured. You must have a compliant population when you prepare ‘force’.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 19, 2020 1:28 PM
Reply to  Wilmers31

You MUST protest whilst you’re able to. Otherwise what happens in Melbourne happens all over Australia.

Wilmers31
Wilmers31
Sep 20, 2020 7:21 AM
Reply to  Eyes Open

I am a lot more concerned about the mindset behind this:

https://warontherocks.com/2020/07/cocaine-logistics-for-the-marine-corps/

Protests, yeah, there were 2 million people in London’s streets to protest against the Iraq invasion. What did that achieve? I am in a comparable small town where large numbers cannot be had. I also tend to think that loosening US American influence on Australia is more important and once that is done, we might get some of the rights back easier, because a smaller danger is easier to tackle than a larger one.

If reducing human contacts is the safest way to reduce infections (which often have long term debilitating effects) then that should be done and unrest in the streets is counterproductive in every sense.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 20, 2020 10:10 AM
Reply to  Wilmers31

There have always been colds and flu. Do you want lockdowns every year indefinitely?

Do you expect healthy society to curtail their lives in lockdown to protect people who’ve lived their whole lives freely without lockdown?

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 12:43 PM
Reply to  Wilmers31

You perhaps don’t understand how the world is structured. The Transnational Capitalist Class rules. The 17 financial giants (managing the trillions of dollars of the superclass’s members) directs the US which in turns dominates the world. The covid 19 pandemic hoax has revealed clearly that governments are not sovereign and independent. As Andrew Kaufman pointed out, if they were, you would have seem more variation in their responses to the declaration of a pandemic (including, possibly, some States asserting that there is no pandemic). But you didn’t see that. Peter Phillips states it clearly in his recently published book “Giants.” Governments take their marching orders from the TCC. Governments are the enforcers of the TCC. That was the plan from the late 70s.

Tjm
Tjm
Sep 19, 2020 1:59 PM
Reply to  Wilmers31

As an American, I can say we are not the pinnacle of power, America is run by the same Zionist Communists that run the rest of you. Trump is a Zionist globalist with deep ties to the Russian mafia. America is being set up for a fake civil war. Australia seems like a testing ground for the Zionist to see how far they can take all this. 9/11 was CIA and Mossad, not Osama, and they have used they false flag to destroy America. Because many Americans bought into the lie of 9/11, these evil powers were allowed to move forward with their plans. America is the ultimate prize here..after the obligatory “election” which Trump will be handed (America’s voting machine and the software they run on is made in Israel). the Zionist’s media and politicians will move to make it appear their is a constitutional crisis, riots and mayhem.… Read more »

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 20, 2020 1:44 PM
Reply to  Tjm

If you believe America is run by Communists, then there really is no hope for humanity.

Tjm
Tjm
Sep 21, 2020 2:00 AM
Reply to  Eyes Open

“American history” is nothing but a string of lies told one after another. You think Lincoln was a great man, the man who destroyed the whole concept of states rights, and turned America into an empire. You think America was fighting the real threat in WW2, as George Patton said, “we are fighting the wrong enemy”. Patton knew Russia was the real threat…The same people that made Russia made Israel, and used Israel as a back door into the west. Pearl Harbor, to 9/11 and everything in between was in some fashion all part of the plan…Kissinger “opened up trade to China”, BS, it was all about destroying manufacturing in America, same with NAFTA. Time and time again, the media, Hollywood, higher education, politicians have told us of the wonder of globalism, but it has only lead to one thing, global tyranny, the likes of which we are seeing manifest… Read more »

Tjm
Tjm
Sep 21, 2020 2:12 AM
Reply to  Eyes Open

Palestine, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq…all these nations and many more, have paid for America’s “close freindship” with Israel…now we will see what all our indifference to evil brings us, now we will be Gaza. Why does Israel spy on America more than anyone else, and why do the secretes they steal keep ending up in Russia and China? Israel has been spying on NASA for decades, Trump’s answer, force NASA to “work more closely with Israel”. Trump is up to his neck in Communist mafia oligarchs, a facts the media ignores, instead focusing on more salacious nonsensical allegations that go nowhere. Humanity has been on this trajectory for centuries, but who truly knows where it will bring us.

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 12:44 PM
Reply to  Tjm

That’s nonsense. Learn something and be a part of the solution. You’ll feel better about yourself when you do.

Tjm
Tjm
Sep 21, 2020 1:48 PM
Reply to  Arby

You need to learn to form an argument, not relay on media created biases against theories not of their making. How is it “nonsense”, I would love to hear you try and make an argument, but you won’t, you can’t, your ilk relies on the media echo chamber insuring only Zionist sanctioned lies get repeated again and again. I don’t write for hasbara trolls, I write for the humanity, who know the truth, but need it put to words. While the corrupted Zionist American government can’t help so many small businesses suffering from the effects of the government’s war on them, but that same corrupt government can fund a record multi-billion dollar “aid” package for Israel, who does not need it and is financially FAR FAR better off than Ameirca. As Nancy Pelosi says, Washington could be burning in ruin and they would still be supporting aid for Israel…try to… Read more »

Tjm
Tjm
Sep 19, 2020 1:36 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Exactly, we are seeing the world as it truly is for the first time. For decades the west has allowed its killer military to ravage the Middle East all for our Zionist masters, and we did nothing. But what the west did not know was We were the targets, those wars sapped us of our treasure, our morals and our justice. Not to mention they drove immigration to our shores…I received a ad from the ACLU the other day, calling out the “injustice of voter suppression”. Where was the ACLU on these “lock-down” or the masks, not a peep. We have allowed our society to be ruled by Zionist criminals who are hell bent on destroying the Christian west. Organization after organization have shown themselves to be nothing but paper tigers, there not to protect OUR rights, but just place holders, making us think we have tool to insure our… Read more »

Theobalt
Theobalt
Sep 20, 2020 1:44 AM
Reply to  Tjm

before they started 911, they knew we would do nothing because they had already put us in that position… of doing nothing… too numbed.. by the food, the water, the air, the exhaustion of dealing with our divorce attorneys, our child psychiatrists and teachers… So no, nobody at head quarters is surprised that we are doing nothing now, None of this is our fault. No guilt, Just need to cure ourselves first, and regroup. The clues are out there… But we are not ready for action. Unless there’s something I don’t know, they are not sending me many memos.

Tjm
Tjm
Sep 21, 2020 2:17 AM
Reply to  Theobalt

Adam Green and James Corbett do great work on the subject, watching either one of these men discuss this topic will make any red blooded American’s blood boil. It was not Iranians or Palestinains that were rounded up as suspects on 9/11, it was Israelis…and who released them from US custody, Michael Chertoff, Israel/American “dual-citizen” and our fist head of “homeland security”, but whose homeland, certainly not America’s.

David Macilwain
David Macilwain
Sep 20, 2020 12:41 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Hi Gezzah, and I’m sorry you didn’t get to see the article OffGuardian might have published a couple of weeks back on this subject – unless you look at AHT: https://ahtribune.com/world/4382-end-of-a-decade.html It is about the situation in Victoria, as described above by this anonymous source. You might also see the articles written by friend Jeremy Salt, who fell out with the Melbourne Age decades ago for wanting him to write differently about Palestine. I did get a letter published in my local paper, perhaps because there are a lot of angry people in Wodonga where the NSW restrictions and Stage 3 for Victorians have made our situation much like Melbourne’s. Sadly there are no protest rallies here, so insufficient solidarity to risk a ‘safety in numbers’. I had hoped that there would be tens of thousands turning up in Melbourne and outnumbering police completely. As you say, where the F**K… Read more »

Anthony Porter
Anthony Porter
Sep 20, 2020 5:59 AM

“Not only must we now cope with the backlog of hospital treatments needlessly cancelled, and the mortality from those delays, but we are expected to recover under the oppressive and socially destructive rules of masking and “social distancing” – a treatment initially devised by the CIA to soften up detainees for interrogation.” Exactly, yet our brand new army of compliant masked (and physically distancing) zombies, i.e. the vast majority of our mainstream media indoctrinated, sleepwalking fellow citizens, gleefully acquiesce to these bizarre, dehumanizing edicts. Yet are so hopelessly ignorant and deluded, they feel ‘righteous’ when they ridicule us as ‘covid deniers’ or ‘conspiracy theorists’ for committing the heinous thought crime of not wanting our freedoms taken away and our civil rights trampled into the ground by an oligarchy of UN based, unelected bureaucrats, phoney ‘philanthropist’ billionaires and globalist tyrants; who are determined to destroy our great civilization and way of… Read more »

David Macilwain
David Macilwain
Sep 20, 2020 1:58 PM
Reply to  Anthony Porter

Thanks Anthony, and agree with everything but for one – that this is a socialist/Marxist takeover of our society. Although the Left here could barely be called socialist, nor the Greens, the Federal government set the scene for this totalitarianism and economic plunder early on. They are anti-communist and anti-socialist to an extreme degree, currently prepared to sabotage our relationship with China on which we totally depend, in favour of the US/Israel, their pharmaceuticals, military and tech industries interests. We are bombarded with anti Chinese disinformation, on how they are infiltrating us. I even wonder whether the Feds set up the Vic government to shoot itself in the knees because Victoria is the most Chinese friendly state, and the only one to sign onto the BRI.
But Fascism and Communism seemed to never be far apart.

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 12:47 PM
Reply to  Anthony Porter

“socialist/Marxist takeover” What are you up to with such blather? Who are the socialists and Marxists taking over the US? Are the vaccine companies’ owners, Bill Gates, Klaus Schwab and Tony Fauci Marxists? Really? Give your head a shake. Their religion is capitalism. Granted, it’s State capitalism, which is socialism for the rich and powerful, but they aren’t Marxists.

Anthony Porter
Anthony Porter
Sep 19, 2020 12:26 AM

This well known website (at least in my circle of like-minded folk), has just published this excellent, economically worded summary, which places this world record smashing fear campaign into it’s proper and realistic perspective, which the obedient masked zombies would do well to read and understand, then adopt. If they did, the whole thing would be over in a couple of days and we could go back to normal life and enjoy the FREEDOM we all took for granted again.
And of course, NEVER fall for the same ruse, ever again.

Theobalt
Theobalt
Sep 20, 2020 1:02 AM
Reply to  Anthony Porter

THEY DON’T READ… that’s the basis of NWO strategy… contempt for TV gobbling idiots, who were led to believe that any form of true mental activity is “not cool”… IQ is evil!

Anthony Porter
Anthony Porter
Sep 20, 2020 3:52 AM
Reply to  Theobalt

👍🤣
Noted Theobalt and fully agree! For them, it’s much easier to have an authoritarian communist governed tyranny tell dictate to them, via teh TV / radio, Twitter Facebook et al, what they’re allowed to think and even what to wear in public (i.e. a dehumanizing face mask to signal acceptance of their servitude), than to think for themselves using idiot level common sense and simple kiddies grade logic, or rational thought.
Then they all thank and 👏👏 their masters for keeping them ‘safe’ from the deadly covid-19 bogie man.

Theobalt
Theobalt
Sep 20, 2020 5:34 PM
Reply to  Anthony Porter

hi hi… (or what ever is the right spelling for what I’m trying to say)

Anthony Porter
Anthony Porter
Sep 20, 2020 10:18 PM
Reply to  Theobalt

Was supposed to be:
“tyranny dictate to them via their TVs radio,…”
Don’t know how ‘tell’ managed to stay there I was going to write something else but changed my mind and deleted a whole line, including that word. Must’ve been in an no signal area.
(Comment was written and sent from my phone whilst on a moving bus. Noticed it was wrong when it stopped, but by then, too late to edit and correct it. I found you can’t delete botched comments either).
Sorry, it was a mistake, no offence intended.

Theobalt
Theobalt
Sep 26, 2020 8:10 PM
Reply to  Anthony Porter

No I was just trying to say I I or something, like I agree… Hi, Hi is probably not the right spelling… and I couldn’t figure out how I could be offended by your response…

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Sep 18, 2020 11:55 PM

 GET OVER IT! I’m not being xenophobic or warmongering, but the Australian state of Victoria sounds like Wuhan, however, it also strangely resembles the way the US dealt with American Muslims after 9/11.  So in effect, the Australian Government is treating their citizenry as if they’re terrorists.  Is the Australian government purposely trying to emulate China/US.  They say emulation is the highest form of compliment, however, copying totalitarian methods to isolate a virus which DOESN’T affect 95% of the population demonstrates this authoritarianism is more about social control and has little to do with infectious disease.   Here’s something particularly scary, the government’s proposed detention would last “for a period reasonably necessary to eliminate or reduce a serious risk to public health.” This sounds like the US rendition program. The government snatches citizens off the street and can indefinitely detain them. As a side note, there’s probably 55 prisoners still held captive in Guantanamo Bay–the Afghan war started in 2001.  And how… Read more »

falcemartello
falcemartello
Sep 19, 2020 1:12 AM

@Charlotte Russe.
It seems that the IDF trained them well.
POST SCRIPTUM: We r now all Palestinians if these vile creatures get away with this.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Sep 19, 2020 5:00 AM
Reply to  falcemartello

Yes, we’ll all be living in an open air prison.

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 12:52 PM
Reply to  falcemartello

Yep. And I feel sorry for the actual Palestinians. They were screwed before covid 1984. But then again, this will soon enough all end. That’s my belief. No, I don’t think that we’ll stop the predators and their zombie armies. They will sweep over the planet and the darkness will deepen. But their victory will be short-lived.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Sep 19, 2020 1:55 AM

The first step in understanding where you’re at is not to compare yourselves with some imaginary ‘other’. The Chinese took steps to enforce quarantine appropriate for Chinese society; it wasn’t something that I’d like to participate in but then I’m not Chinese. Also, the American state didn’t “deal” with Muslims after 9/11; certainly where I lived life went on pretty much as normal except for there being no air traffic. The Muslims I know were just like the rest of us — this was a barbaric act and it really had nothing to do with Islam (and we’ve still not come to terms with the fact it had a lot to do with Saudi Arabia and the rather perverted form of Islam they peddle — but then they’re our ‘allies’, aren’t they?). Our response to the Coronavirus — this is in California — has been to seek cooperation between the… Read more »

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Sep 19, 2020 12:29 PM
Reply to  Martin Usher

There’s numerous links to other sites with info about how the FBI spied on Mosques and literally anyone they thought was dangerous.

The spooks even invaded public libraries threatened staff with security letters if they did not submit lists citing books people were reading or websites they were exploring.

The Patriot Act suddenly emerged because of 9/11 a document that was probably prepared way in advance.

As far as China is concerned, I can’t imagine anyone wanting to be locked in their homes for even a short time. If that’s socialism with Chinese characteristics– it’s not for me.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/
2017/01/supreme-court-hears-case-muslims-detained-911-170119050505116.html

Held in 9/11 Net, Muslims Return to Accuse U.S. https://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/23/nyregion/held-in-911-net-muslims-return-to-accuse-us.html

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Sep 19, 2020 6:39 PM
Reply to  Charlotte Ruse

The FBI routinely do this to anyone — if it wasn’t Muslims post-9/11 it was civil rights leaders in the 60s, socialists anytime. Its what they do. Don’t confuse official pronouncements with on-the-ground reality — maybe its wishful thinking on my part or just the bubble I live in but the majority of the people I interacted with regarded this as BS. There is an echo of this today. Our government makes some pronuncement about — say — a Chinese application being a security risk. This is picked up by the media and after a few OpEd pieces and related news stories its repeated as fact. For those predisposed to believe China is evil this just confirms what they already know. The factual basis gets lost in the wash. Needless to say, the opportunities for manipulation of public sentiment are legion — rather than reacting to events we end up… Read more »

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Sep 19, 2020 8:08 PM
Reply to  Martin Usher

They say it was military grade anthrax sent to those in the Senate who were against voting for invading Iraq.

falcemartello
falcemartello
Sep 23, 2020 12:37 AM

Charlotte Russe.
It was found t have come from Fort Dietrich
Anthrax is a rare chemical that is circulating around hence easily identified via its markers. NOVICHOK hence the slavs have recent blood samples of Navalny and the NATO/fascista have blood samples of their own of which they are not willing to share .Hence same play book different characters.
HASTA LA VITTORIA SIEMPRE

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 12:56 PM
Reply to  Martin Usher

I was open to believing that China was not evil, until I learned about their social credit system. What an awful, fascist, inhuman ruling class. And the people seem ruined. Andrew Vltcheck had me fooled for a while.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Sep 21, 2020 1:28 PM
Reply to  Arby

The Social Credit system is just an extension of the credit score system widely used in the US (and now the UK). In a sense Social Credit is more open since the credit score is derived from a private algorithm that neither discloses what data it uses or how that data is hashed into the overall score while social credit is derived from ostensibly puiblic information. The result is similar — a poor credit score affects your ability to get a job and rent a place to live, not just your ability to get credit at a reasonable price.

To say that this sort of thing is undesirable is an understatement but can you think of an alternative?

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 4:30 PM
Reply to  Martin Usher

You are seriously mistaken. No normal person wants to live in a Chinese style social credit system.

“Sesame Credit: China’s Creepy New Social Engineering Experiment” by James Corbett (The Corbett Report)

“Propaganda Games: Sesame Credit” by James (Extra Credits)

“The Chinese system comes to America” by Jon Rappoport (Jon Rappoport’s Blog)

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Sep 21, 2020 5:40 PM
Reply to  Arby

I’m being an advocate, I was merely remarking that ‘rule by algorithm’ is the rule no matter where one lives. Its not a new thing, its been brewing up for decades in one form or another. so just saying “Its a Chinese thing” and “It can’t happen here” is missing the point. It has happened here so now the question is how we as a society live with it and control it. There are a lot of technologies out there in development that can be used to monitor and control people. The Chinese tend to be open about them which is a good thing for us because we can get a heads up about what’s coming to a society near you (our governments are unlikely to forego technologies that enhance their power, they’re just going to (maybe) be a bit more subtle about how they go about it. We as… Read more »

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 5:43 PM
Reply to  Martin Usher

And I’m making it clear that social credit is evil, horrifying and not something that people should welcome.

Barzini
Barzini
Sep 19, 2020 10:47 PM
Reply to  Martin Usher

lol, 911 had nothing to with Muslims or Saudis – as you surely well know

Theobalt
Theobalt
Sep 20, 2020 1:10 AM
Reply to  Martin Usher

Fall ill from what? Tell me I misunderstood you.

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 12:53 PM
Reply to  Martin Usher

Martin, You need to get up to speed on 9/11. May I recommend James Corbett.

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 5:50 PM
Reply to  Arby

Start here. James has much more material, but here’s an overview. (The only thing I quibble with about it is his assertion that Osama bin Laden was buried at sea. He wasn’t.) “9/11: A Conspiracy Theory”

Glenda
Glenda
Sep 19, 2020 5:07 AM

Public HEALTH?! An oxymoron. Public sickness more like. I would love to know the profit made from the myriad of drugs doled out to aged care residents to keep them alive until dementia takes over. Blue Zone people seem to live well into old age without the benefit of public sickness and Big Pharma.

Theobalt
Theobalt
Sep 20, 2020 1:07 AM

People are so out of shape from their poisons that anyone stopping you from doing a 60 minute w-o is probably doing you a favour. I know they didn’t think of that… This is so precipitated this pandemic…

Theobalt
Theobalt
Sep 20, 2020 1:59 AM

get over it? Are you just having a fit? Now that it is white people you’re happy? If they are publicly attacking white people this is the end, and the confirmation of the plan. They started with you, but this is not about misery loves company. This is about the human race is driven to survive. And the GOOD people of Australia and all over the world do not have a problem with arabs and jews and asians to live peacefully and share their culture. Racism? Everybody and species is racist. It’s a discomfort we have.. can’t explain it but it’s all over nature. But for a human being to want to hurt another just for kicks is psychopath. So no… let’s survive

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 18, 2020 10:40 PM

Some good news. My Son is back, complete with his Dinghy and Outboard Motor.. He is looking fine but obviously a bit hungry and thin. My wife (his mum) has fed him as best she could in 10 minutes but he is dying to see his wife and kids. I can understand that. I asked him has he seen The Fraud Squad yet. He wa ready to go and meet them Yesterday. He said The Top IT guy wasn’t available, and they cancelled the meeting – possibly Next week if he hasn’t got COVID. Mum and Dad (me) were completely Delighted to see him. We have survived very stormy seas, very recently in his Sailing Boat,,, and we want to do it Again. But Beaucracy First, if The City of London Police can get their act together, and keep THEIR Appontment. My Son and his Business has Nothing to Hide.… Read more »

Researcher
Researcher
Sep 18, 2020 10:43 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

So your son is installing 5g cable.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 18, 2020 11:36 PM
Reply to  Researcher

Ha ha!

sam2
sam2
Sep 18, 2020 9:57 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UeMi_nE5Us
Dr Kendrick on deaths from poverty way above any deaths from covid

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Sep 19, 2020 12:48 PM
Reply to  sam2

And lets not forget deaths from despair–suicide, drug addiction, alcoholism, etc…

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 18, 2020 9:46 PM

Prince Harry is O.K, At least he has got a sense of humour – Dressed himself as a NAZI for a laugh when he was a teen, and his Brother may be O.K. too. I forget his name, but his missus seems O.K., and I do appreciate anyone who did his job flying helicopters over the seas of The UK rescuing people in distress – and saving their lives. I like people like that.

Not all the stuff about The Royal family is made up.

Some of them are good people, and would do anything to save lives.

A really crap job to be born into, but what can they do?

Tony

Fisfor
Fisfor
Sep 19, 2020 3:05 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Wullie is that you?

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Sep 19, 2020 10:26 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Some of them are good people, and would do anything to save lives.

what is your source for that?

and why exactly is sitting on a massive fortune you haven’t earned and don’t pay tax on “a really crap job”?

Theobalt
Theobalt
Sep 19, 2020 11:57 PM

Hi Admin… I don’t want to be a big baby but since a few days ALL my comments are automatically awaiting approval… Huhh have you got a call from the CIA? Are you making sure you can read them first hand cuz they re so funny, inspiring and clever? This is a bit discomforting, we tend to be a bit paranoid down here… Sorry if this is just me being a bit naive on how things work…

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Sep 20, 2020 2:59 AM
Reply to  Theobalt

There are more comments in premod recently. We’ll look into that.

Theobalt
Theobalt
Sep 20, 2020 6:49 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Now they are just disappearing, just so you know

Theobalt
Theobalt
Sep 20, 2020 1:25 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

What the f does this has to do w anything… Your opinions on the Royal family, your son is back… why don’t you share another tune with us Tony, with your sentiments on it… You seem to be very taken with yourself, ignoring the rest of us, and the planet I must say… This is a tread following drastic measures on the population of Australia! Drastic measures that are more or less a reflection on what is awaiting all of us… I know I’m being harsh, but I’m not a doctor, I’m not a parent, I didn’t poison you, so I’m not responsible for you. I’m tired that this population are being asked to drag with them a bunch of pathos that are rendering impossible any advancement. The one thing that I want you to share with us is do you have a known mental condition?It would be the responsible… Read more »

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 18, 2020 9:04 PM

What about these instead?
“New Rules May Allow Citizens to Take Law into their Own Hands”
“General Public So Infuriated at Being Labelled ‘Conspiracy Theorists’ that it Fires Police Force”
“Global Strike to Start Next Week – NOBODY Will Work”
“Nation Decides that Government is No Longer Necessary”

We’ll start with the “Five Eyes” nations. They are already showing signs of being completely out-of-control…

Chris Weisdorf
Chris Weisdorf
Sep 19, 2020 3:44 AM
Reply to  wardropper

+1000

Theobalt
Theobalt
Sep 19, 2020 11:48 PM
Reply to  wardropper

1- they are. they bully each other for not wearing a mask, they are encourage to denounce and physically abuse conspiracy theorists
2- They want to fire police force… they want to stop funding it in the US… put army there instead… more efficient.
3- Nobody will eat
4- Bill Gates and the gang totally agree with you, And they are showing you already that they ARE the global government…

So no

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 21, 2020 7:01 PM
Reply to  Theobalt

It’s called “sarcasm”.
Not supposed to be taken literally, but to make the point that we sit there placidly allowing fools to make up all sorts of “rules” for us to live by, when it is we who should be insisting on rational behaviour from our “authorities”.
“A stitch in time saves nine” may have some truth in it, but a stitch in time might also save 143, or only 4…
Let’s not get bogged down in trivia, when what I meant is really clear enough.
Bill Gates is the target of my sarcasm, not a colleague.

Phil
Phil
Sep 18, 2020 8:08 PM

The vital thing is self determination: to resist, refuse to comply and most importantly to spread the word. There are billions of citizens, a few hundred elite driving this “brave new world”, and thousands of governments and politicians who have already been “bought” by the multi-billionaires. We can, and we must beat them and subsequently hold them to account.

Sally
Sally
Sep 18, 2020 9:23 PM
Reply to  Phil

”We can, and we must beat them and subsequently hold them to account.”

and……….abolish our democracy and install the Generals who always do as the Americans want.

Sorry but your good intensions may lead to unintended results. Ask a Ukrainian, or Bolivian about their ‘popular’ (CIA) uprisings.

ZenPriest
ZenPriest
Sep 19, 2020 8:42 PM
Reply to  Sally

Genuine uprisings are always crushed. I still do not know the way to defeat this tyranny, but the least I can do is stay alive and healthy and keep trying to think of ways to bring it down.

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 1:02 PM
Reply to  ZenPriest

The goal that an individual should strive for, in my view, is to survive spiritually. That’s if you want to live in a normal world, which is around the corner. This world is sort of making me ill – to the point where I’m not thrilled about life. But I am aware that I am seeing life from a position of illness. I also remember how good life can be.

ZenPriest
ZenPriest
Sep 21, 2020 3:52 PM
Reply to  Arby

Yes I think life is intolerable (to anyone with a soul that is) without spirituality of some form. Sorry you feel that way. Life is not very thrilling at the moment. But what does thrill me is the thought of defeating this evil.

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 4:53 PM
Reply to  ZenPriest

Oh I have no doubt that it will be defeated. But I am still human, and un-self-modified, and therefore feel depressed and frightened living through this (continuing, increasingly violent) attack on God and his creation, which we are a part of. I’d be lying if I said something different.

ZenPriest
ZenPriest
Sep 21, 2020 5:13 PM
Reply to  Arby

For all my bravado I agree.

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 5:40 PM
Reply to  ZenPriest

Acknowledged.

Theobalt
Theobalt
Sep 20, 2020 12:05 AM
Reply to  Phil

Ok are you encouraging us to be easily spotted and incarcerated? We should comply until we actually see an opportunity that will work… This will not encourage them to do worst, they already have all the motivation they need and they WILL do worst…

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 18, 2020 7:40 PM

Poland: COVID sceptics decry measures in Warsaw protest
Sep 12, 2020
Ruptly
Two to three thousand COVID-19 sceptics protested in Warsaw on Saturday against the restrictions imposed on citizens by the government amid the ongoing pandemic. The crowd walked through the city chanting slogans like: “Stop the false pandemic” and “Take off your mask”. They blamed media for allegedly lying about the health crisis in the country and around the world. Police forces gave instructions to organisers but did not intervene during the protest. No arrests have been reported.

Sally
Sally
Sep 18, 2020 8:55 PM

Oh the facist government you elected, because they were full of race hate and homophobia, turned out to be criminals and hate merchants, what a surprise!……. Soon there will be ‘no freedom zones’ along with the ‘no gay’ zones as proposed by your polish fascist government, good, you deserve to lose your freedom as you chose hate and persecution of vulnerable minorities. The sooner you are kicked out of Europe the better.

Jose Silveira
Jose Silveira
Sep 19, 2020 7:22 AM
Reply to  Sally

My government is composed of socialists, extreme left elitists and communists and, guess what, they did the exact same thing!
So, I feel exactly the opposite!
What does this mean? It means that either left or right wing politicians are meaningless puppets – they were all previously bought or blackmailed by the oligarchs that own the world and issue all important diktates in the background.
And all these race, gender, phobia issues, that you seem to embrace, are mere dividing tools, largely propagandized, to ensure the people wont unite against the tyrants, even when their own existence is in question!

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 1:03 PM
Reply to  Jose Silveira

That’s about right.

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 18, 2020 9:07 PM

Probably because the police know all about the hoax, and therefore know who will be first in line for the chop if the population really wakes up.

Big B
Big B
Sep 18, 2020 7:17 PM

See it and say it : <I>. As soon as you have a personal biography, an independent or agentic mind, or an infinitely free personality – it is just a matter of time and reification before the fascist cops show up. When you write descriptions that generate the split cognitive structure of the letter <I>: you are writing the Omnibus (Emergency Measures) Act subject by predicate by subject and line by line. The metaphysical world we live in is proto-fascist: a bipolarisation brought to you by the communal and nihilistic Absolute ritualistic abuse of the verb <to be>. And anyone who pointed this out – from the Buddha to Baudrillard – is a …[…] […] I’ll let you fill that bit in. The real is relational; there is no permanent identity; the metaphysical conception of such and its superimposition on inferior peoples and the land causes suffering. A lot of… Read more »

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Sep 19, 2020 10:01 AM
Reply to  Big B

Beautifully balanced, BigB: may say… education inept ?
Indeed, wholly missing in action, widely.

Savoury critical thought,

With a sweetner,
Of refined
Transcendence,
Where language
Fails…

ZenPriest
ZenPriest
Sep 19, 2020 8:43 PM
Reply to  Big B

Like 90% of my pathetic colleagues, completely silent or absent minded about what’s going on. Will not even discuss it.

Arby
Arby
Sep 21, 2020 1:04 PM
Reply to  ZenPriest

Cattle can’t discuss.

John the First
John the First
Sep 18, 2020 6:52 PM

The symbolism of many photos and narratives, like the photo in this article, is that of revolting muscle man with tattoos, or a plain housewife with children, etc. It signifies mediocre intelligence, the rule of the masses, against superious intelligence, the elites, or oligarchy, the two sharpening their swords, the battle of two fighting mean dogs, the latter being superior in intelligence, will likely win.

Tony
Tony
Sep 18, 2020 7:17 PM
Reply to  John the First

Yes, it.s not as though any of the ‘elites’ have tattoos, or any ‘elite’ women are plain-looking, is it?

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 18, 2020 8:27 PM
Reply to  Tony

I don’t know about yours, but none of my Ex-Girl Friends, nor my wife of nearly 40 years have ever had a Tatoo…and they are all Still Georgeous If you have got such beauty do not allow anyone to write Graffiti on it..or you will not look as Beautiful in your 60’s Ok I am not still in contact with all of them – just the Best. Do what you want. Graffiti is just a Protest. I do understand that. I even like Chris Spivey..but he ain’t doing me, nor my wife, though he has certainly got an eye for it.. Is he still going? He has got more balls than any of us, Nice Bloke – completely OTT and uses working class language a lot, but I never found him offensive. I even sent him some money, when his dog wasn’t to well, and the police were beating his… Read more »

tonyopmos
tonyopmos
Sep 18, 2020 9:12 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

I don’t think this is true. He much prefers old bags, not the most Beautiful Princess, any man could ever have. She used to go to the gym right opposite to where I worked, and take her kids to The English National Ballet and sit in the cheap seats near the fron, with my wife and our two kids, We notice these things. I know such girls are difficult to deal with – they are competetely honest flighty, and flirty a bit like Goldie Hawn in her younger days..I mean what man wouldn’t fall in love with Princess Diana. All the Girls did too. She was Our Princess They killed her. The jury returned the verdict “Unlawful Killing” The BBC never reported the Truth even then. They are DESPICABLE. I really do not like them, and I know some of the people who resigned and used to work for them.… Read more »

Theobalt
Theobalt
Sep 20, 2020 12:18 AM
Reply to  tonyopmos

Tony? It just occurred to me that there is a guy answering you with almost the exact same name, and he pushes the sarcasm as far as imitating your way to communicate, giving a lot of details (not always necessary), not too fussy on punctuation and on grammar… I would look into this mate.

John the First
John the First
Sep 18, 2020 9:56 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

I am not a fan of skin ‘graffiti’ as well, for aesthetic reasons, neither do I like identification marks on skin.

Tony
Tony
Sep 18, 2020 11:15 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

I don’t have any piercings, tattoos or any such. Never interested me. You live in London, right? You didn’t attend the last Trafalgar square protest that I travelleled down from Manchester to attend right? Will you be at the one that I am unable to attend tomorrow, or the one that I will be attending on the 26th?

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 19, 2020 1:03 AM
Reply to  Tony

maybe, but I am taking my walking stick, and I can’t do it without my wife in support. I am pretty useless without her, but if she is up to it, then we wil go. I won’t wimp out of it, but I do need the support of my wife and My Spanish Friend – and the bloke who actually works in The Civil Service.

I did go to the protest by myself in 2003 before the Last Iraq war started, but I can no longer do it by myself. I feel the same.but I am getting a bit old now. I am not frail, but I am a bit Terrorised

Tony