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Together Apart: The Social Distance Backstory

Sinead Murphy

In the midst of outrage at restrictions on our living arrangements, issued by a UK government that has lost its orientation to reality, two questions arise.

The first continues to receive fulsome treatment, at least in non-mainstream media. It is: How can such restrictions be necessary?

The second is less frequently addressed. It is: How can such restrictions be possible?

We have, for months, been mulling over, What makes them do it?

Here, I consider, What makes us take it?

*

From his isolation bunker, during his quarantine with ‘Covid19,’ prime minister Boris Johnson assured the people of Britain that, after all, there is such a thing as society.

This was to reprise a theme of his predecessor, Margaret Thatcher, who famously said, ‘There is no such thing as society.’

In between Thatcher and Johnson, another Conservative prime minister, David Cameron, successfully ran an election campaign based on his vision of a ‘Big Society.’

Despite the wrangling over its extent, what all three recognize is the adjustable character of this thing we call ‘Society,’ which may be emphasized or, not or expanded or not, because it is a function of kinds of government and not, as we might imagine, a set of grass-roots relations between people living out their lives.

It is true, there have always been societies. But when we refer to ‘Society,’ we refer to a quite particular mode of human relations oriented towards the management of populations.

This management has not trod heavily on those populations. It has not ridden roughshod over them or put their noses to the grindstone. On the contrary, it has worked on and through their very hearts’ desires, rendering those desires explicit and tethering them to strategies for their realization.

The result: an endlessly satisfied populace whose ways of living are available for infinite readjustment, even wholesale suspension.

Our lives are now social lives, and social lives are regulated vertically by abstract concepts and the strategies that apply them, not horizontally between beings in communities.

Our lives are now social lives, and they grow more rigid and more meaningless, and more vulnerable to revision and cancellation, every day.

*

The latest target of the UK government’s ‘Covid’ restrictions are students at universities, now consigned to virtual life and learning, or, if they arrive at actual halls and campuses, to bubbles and quarantines and curfews. There is disbelief, at such overbearing micro-management of student life. But really, we ought to have seen it coming.

Three years ago, before ‘Covid’ was on the horizon, a university lecturer responded to his students’ concerns that they were not being facilitated in efforts to compensate for missing class. He sent them an email, detailing ways in which they might resolve the problem. Among these ways was listed one ‘strategy,’ that of ‘asking a friend,’ for their notes from the class or a verbal summary of its content.

The strategy of asking a friend: the easy reciprocity of student relations, apparently not abroad, but compensated for by an institutionally approved strategy for producing a friendship-effect.

One thin strand of student life – asking a friend for their lecture notes: separated out, made explicit, recast as a strategy, and returned with a newly-acquired susceptibility to institutional regulation.

Once this is achieved with a sufficient number of strands of student life, the side-to-side associations of student life are cut through by top-down abstractions and the strategies to make them work. No unplanned afternoons drinking beer in the sun – debating ideas just encountered, maybe – only #beerinthesun afternoons, sponsored by a local brewery.

No first-day friend from the queue to register for your subject, only the Student-Buddy assigned to you by the Mentoring System.

Everything you desire, just as you desire it, only too explicit, too strategic, for life.

*

And as with student friendship, so with friendship generally, which has for some time now been remade as a social phenomenon and thereby brought under careful control.

The average Facebook user has three hundred and thirty-eight friends. Three hundred and thirty-eight. In the Victorian novels, of Dickens for example, characters are often described as having a friend. One friend.

Consider the complex arts of friendship: the sympathy and the judgment, the commonalities and the compromises. How is it possible to negotiate these pleasures and pains with three hundred and thirty-eight?

It is not possible, for even the most virtuosic of friends. Which is why we have acquired this terrible habit – born so innocently of our hearts’ desire for friends: the habit of relinquishing the arts of friendship in favour of ready-made protocols that allow us to negotiate what would otherwise overwhelm.

Just select a response from the dropdown list – a click on the ‘Like’ button will do – and another so-called ‘friend’ is kept happy for now, albeit in fairly rigid style and with possibilities for meaning reduced to having, simply, responded something rather than nothing, and with the so-called ‘friend’ recast as a cypher for strategies of friendship rather than a living breathing being to have and to hold.

Little wonder that asking a friend for notes from a missed lecture has had to be recast as a strategy framed and recommended by an institution. For, friendship now just is a set of social strategies, its gestures selected from easy, ready-made options, less and less reliant upon our active participation but shivering through us as we mouth its script and push its buttons.

*

We speak now of finding friendship, even of finding love – not of finding a friend or a lover. In our relations with one another, we are mediated through the abstract concept – friendship, love – which blocks horizontal interactions between beings with vertical strategies for realizing social possibilities.

When I find friendship now, when I find love, the person with whom I find it has also found friendship or found love. It is to friendship, or to love, that we both appeal, which are generic possibilities, and not the friend or the lover, who are specific realities. This allows us – compels us, rather – to conduct the relation according to strategies of friendship, strategies of love.

These strategies are ‘oven-ready,’ convenient. But they do bequeath to us a new and enervating task, a task that has come to be synonymous with the social: that of making contact between my friendship and your friendship, my love and your love.

Our mania for contact is born of our rechannelling, as beings whose primary mode of relating is with Society, as social beings.

But contacts are anaemic and precarious, not at all like friends and lovers in flesh-and-blood. The administrative satisfactions we may derive from making them and managing them are accompanied by a constant, low-level hum of dissatisfaction, at the poverty of our horizontal living, at the lack of meaningful interaction between us, at our sense that we have yet to find a friend.

We yearn, as a result, for real friendship, but our yearning only leads us through another cycle of social strategizing. On Tinder, men are more likely to attract positive attention if they include in their profile a photo of themselves, taken outdoors with a dog. Presumably, it makes them appear more ‘real,’ the descriptor which is the most commonly used in Tinder biographies.

Such is the rigidity of our modes of interaction, they are effortlessly regulated by a limited stock of explicit and generic concepts and strategies, offered to us on a plate by the social media to which we appeal to solve the problems that it creates.

And the saddest thing: as our relations with one another have been turned strategic, they have begun to require strategies to be endured. Without a strategy, they are overwhelming. Without a strategy, they are an assault. We log onto Facebook, and the assault is immense – three hundred and thirty-eight friends, like nestlings, beaks open, demanding to be fed.

Small wonder we cleave to the strategies; small wonder that once again we move our cursor to the drop-down list and suppress our dwindling capacity for human sympathy with our ever-growing habit of survival.

If one lives horizontal relations, one aims only to survive with the top-down strategies that have replaced them. And the value of surviving comes quietly to exceed the value of living, as we lose our appreciation for the complex nuances of life in our constantly refreshed relief at garish promises of salvation.

*

Social media is a tautology.

The social, for all that it names for us what is desirable in life, the play that compensates for work, that which brings us together, is that which first prised us and continues to prise us apart, that which mediates between us so that our interactions are rigid and predictable, rather than common and habitual, and requiring, therefore, of mediation.

And though we revel in the social skills that allow us to excel on social media, there is always that underlying anxiety, that everything on which the meaning of our lives relies is something from which we might, at any moment, be locked out.

We consult the wealth of guides, which promise us the key – to friendship, to love – because we sense that we are abroad at the behest of Society and that Society can change the rules at any time, and that, if it does, we may find ourselves excluded, without any kind of friend, without even a so-called ‘friend.’

Not so many years ago, the language of ‘reaching out’ to one another began to enter our social interactions – I reached out to Jill the other day; hadn’t seen her in a while. Our language carries implicit acknowledgements, echoing sadly of our strangeness to one another.

Reaching out, to what is not easily available, to what is retreating, to what may or may not be within our grasp. We’ve been doing it for ten years, perhaps. Not longer than that.

That we are now beyond reach is not something new. That we are now two metres apart. That we are now distanced. A jolt, it seems to us. And yet, what else has been the social in our age than the contracting out of our interactions, their mediation, their micro-management, all of which has set us apart, at a social distance.

*

Now we are given strategies for hugging. An associate professor in cellular microbiology recommends that we distil our hugging to the hugs that really matter, that we decide whether it is safe ‘to go through with it,’ that we point our faces in opposite directions, that we not touch the other person’s face or clothing with our face.

A professor of comparative virology warns that spontaneous hugging is out of the question. Preparations must be made, hands washed before and after. And the breath should be held.

Only strategic hugging, acceptable. Only so-called ‘hugs,’ allowed. It is the endgame of our social mediation, of the separating out and careful administering of the strands of our shared, heretofore real, lives

Of recent years in the UK, there has been a great propensity for hugging, especially among young people – intense hugging, not just a cursory embrace. Our hugs have seemed forced. As if there was too much at stake. As if not enough comfort could be had. As if, somehow, these were the last hugs in the world. Which now, of course, they were.

The social, despite its branding, is nothing other than distance. And its natural spacing is the six feet in which we are now buried alive. Across which two outstretched arms cannot reach. The depth of a grave.

We might have been more prepared for what Giorgio Agamben has recently observed; we might not see it as contradictory, but as written into the destiny of Society: that the absolute cessation of social relations would ultimately be the maximum form of social participation.

Stronger Together is daubed across government sponsored placards in our shops and public places. But so is Together Apart.

*

At the very beginning of its ‘Covid’ ‘lockdown,’ the UK government called for volunteers to offer help to those who might need it in the weeks ahead – those living alone, those with infirmities, the old, the vulnerable.

The call was immediately answered by seven-hundred-and-fifty thousand people, all with the urge to be a friend to their neighbour but with simply no idea of how to do it.

Devising strategies for it at short notice was not the priority, and so reports began to trickle out, of the frustration and disillusionment of the volunteers, almost none of whom was employed in any way.

The impulse remains, then – if only as species memory: the urge to associate with one another, to help one another, to keep one another company. But the urge lacks established horizontal pathways, familiar and embedded outlets to make it effective, to give it meaning. Suspended in thin air, it grows weaker and gasps for breath, and travels more and more unresistingly along the channels set up for it.

How many of those untasked volunteer helpers – how many of the expectant three-quarters of a million, waiting patiently for their friendship assignment – at last spent their drive to be a friend to their neighbour in the hastily cobbled strategy of Clapping for Carers, standing outside their prison-homes every Thursday evening at eight o’clock, squandering their hopes of living together in a meaningful way in another generic and entirely ineffective strategy.

Such reversals of fortune in our would-be horizontal relations, such headings-off of our vestiges of community spirit, do act upon us in the end, sucking the life from our urge to really live together and rendering us as passive applicants to social themes and the strategies that let them filter through our bodies: today we take the knee, tomorrow we take the test, the day after we take the vaccine, our hearts’ desire for real friends callously repurposed as availability for social possibilities, of which we are only the conduits.

Meanwhile, in the first twelve weeks of ‘lockdown,’ seven hundred people in London are reported as having died alone in their home, with no one for company as the curtain fell on their lonely life, with no one even to notice they were gone.

Only the stench of decomposition at last raised the alarm on these friendless souls, some of the vast fallout from the essential indifference, the chilling distance, of our so-called ‘social lives.’

Sinead Murphy teaches Philosophy at Newcastle University. Her most recent publication is Zombie University: Thinking Under Control (Repeater, 2017).

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Ilse
Ilse
Oct 7, 2020 1:26 PM

this is the best article I’ve read to date on this issue, truly chilling. Just before corona, I had consciously made a decision to cancel all my social media accounts, and connect physically with my neighbours and generally people around me, building a small community. This desire springing from the same deep gut feeling of dissatisfaction with true community and horizontal connections being replaced by fake ‘social’ managed ones, expressed here. I had 271 ‘friends’ on Facebook, hardly any one of whom is now in my life after I left.

I would like to call it ironic that corona put this to a halt, as my neighbours are now too frightented to set foot in my home. I wish it were merely ironic though, I feel it is worse than that. This is just the next step in our society ever changing in ways I truly despise. I will do everything I can to make that true connection though, no matter how difficult it is being made. I made a vow to myself to turn off that smartphone and computer, and head out into real life and I will stick to it. The only reason I am on the internet is to read sites like this one, to keep some sanity.

KKKCCC
KKKCCC
Oct 7, 2020 7:20 AM

JUST WEAR A FUCKING FUNCTIONAL FACE COVERING for a short amount of time, wash your hands and avoid touching your mucous membranes or facial hair for fuck’s sake. No need for a global conspiracy. Just exercise common fucking sense and none of this would have happened. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

Mrs Watcher
Mrs Watcher
Oct 8, 2020 11:34 PM
Reply to  KKKCCC

What amount of time?
This shit’s been going on for 8 months in Washington State USA.

Joh
Joh
Oct 19, 2020 2:00 AM
Reply to  KKKCCC

Hahaha, that’s an hilarious satirical swipe at the covidiocy of covidiotic covidiots.

Simon
Simon
Oct 4, 2020 5:37 PM

Protest today in Germany at lake Konstanz. Heard something about a planned protest where people switch off their mains power at a certain time to show the scale of the resistance.

White Horse Mountain
White Horse Mountain
Oct 4, 2020 9:06 AM

Apostasy = from, I stand.

We are living through the great apostasy.

Remdesivir some studies suggest when taken for Sars-Cov-2 results in reanimation of oncogenic viruses leading to probable increase in cancers.

Herbalists defeated every plague in history.

Milk Thistle is what one needs.

ame
ame
Oct 4, 2020 11:31 AM

High gravitational and vibrational electromagnetic fruit and veges – melons -all berries – grapes – apples – green salads
Fight microbial infections and alleviate respiratory discomfort with
oregano oil, lemon Mertel is 3 x stronger than tea tree oil, will kill anything.
Black walnut hull‚ pau d’arco bark‚ cat’s claw bark‚ goldenseal root‚ olive leaf extract‚ thyme leaf‚ buttermut bark‚ barberry root. Pine needles boiled and breathed in, Pine needle tea has huge concentration vit c and so much more.
Elecampagne Root / Mullein /Marshmallow Root /leafs / Lungwort /Angelica Root / Dandelion Root and keep the bow movements moving
.
NO mobile or electric tek near your body! electric central heating of at night and keep some windows kept open

KKKCCC
KKKCCC
Oct 7, 2020 7:21 AM

Why did they give Trump and Boris remdisivir then? A coordinated plot to kill both of them? Why not just use “novichok” LOL?

Voxi Pop
Voxi Pop
Oct 4, 2020 8:56 AM

https://worldchangebrief.webnode.com
BEWARE TRANSHUMAN MUSK: His Covid Vaccine.Brain Linking.Starlink 5G./
DARPA Microchip Ready By 2021 – Are You?
Censored Doc Warns Humanity: mRNA Vaccine Skipped Animal Trials/
MI Court Stops Gov’s Covid Powergrab/
Dark Journo Talks Deep State

my parents said know
my parents said know
Oct 4, 2020 5:50 AM

 
Without that smart phone at the end of your arm it would have been impossible to sell This Pandemic.

Julian
Julian
Oct 4, 2020 11:15 AM

Well said.. I’ve often thought at the start of this, that this pandemic would not have been possible before the age of social media, The complete handling of people’s perceptions, like with colour revolutions would not be possible when done just through the papers and tv, no you need to reach people as they check in with their phones, multiple times a day to propogate the illusion of danger and fear so completely. They nearly got to mandatory vaccination with the Swine Flu pandemic ten years ago, but I think without real take up of smart phones and social media back then, it was only possible to take it so far. Now it is possible to go all the way. We’ve had ‘dangerous’ viruses every couple of years.. Mers, Sars, Zika, ebola… but only now is everything in place to so totally control pubic opinion… it will be a difficult gravitational pull to escape this time.. so total is the manipulation of our perception of the event.

greenbeak
greenbeak
Oct 4, 2020 3:52 AM

• • Check these two documents from Dr. Stefan Lanka:
https://www.loveproductions.org/english/articles/misinterpretation-of-virus/

+ Andrew Kaufman short video:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/03792l0NkpUq/

+ Andrew Kaufman new long interview / presentation:

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Oct 8, 2020 6:40 AM
Reply to  greenbeak

“Before we announced public virus sequences from cases with 2019-nCoV, we relied on social media reports announcing the detection of a SARS-like virus. Therefore, we assumed that a CoV related to SARS is involved in the outbreak. “

John the First
John the First
Oct 4, 2020 2:25 AM

Symbolic of inhumanity, isn’t it, the photo in the article of the people wrapped in plastic, plastic between them, and wearing masks.

Fact Checker
Fact Checker
Oct 5, 2020 4:32 AM
Reply to  John the First

The Apparatus IS the Agenda.

Doctortrinate
Doctortrinate
Oct 4, 2020 1:10 AM

the readiness to comply and distance is rooted in fear of realisation that much of what is accepted – is a lie – being the design is constructed to survive by supplanting fact with fiction, so importantly, repeated through the generations – the fabrication strengthens as its dependents weaken – ultimately, the whole so empty, its devotees will actually crave falsity and revile sincerity – thus societal grace will develop into little more than a fake layer of warmth to assist in concealing the erroneous reality.

Germs Bond
Germs Bond
Oct 4, 2020 4:31 AM
Reply to  Doctortrinate

A bizarrely compelling idea.

John the First
John the First
Oct 4, 2020 1:08 AM

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/09/gary-d-barnett/the-myth-of-democracy-and-the-downfall-of-america/

The masses don’t desire freedom, though an appeal to their very limited conception of freedom is really the last resort, much more than appeal to fact. If it doesn’t work, you’ll be among the many among history suffering herd spirit and all what is base and collective, aside of the suffering under some elites.

John the First
John the First
Oct 4, 2020 1:25 AM
Reply to  John the First

Articles of the same writer abot the Covid sam, other subject than the scam which is democracy.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/author/gary-d-barnett/

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 5, 2020 11:01 AM
Reply to  John the First

So, end democracy, or reform and renew it? The other option, dictatorship, has a poor record.

John the First
John the First
Oct 5, 2020 11:15 AM

Democracy ends itself, it always has through history, it has a poor record too.
And dictatorship is not the only other option, that everything else than democracy is dictatorship is propaganda of democracy itself, based on a falsification of history and simplistic narratives. This scam is actually greater than the scam of the Corona virus.
Reality is not so simple as the people versus elites, the first into freedom, and the latter into control and abuse. As the Corona scam makes it visible that ‘the people’ are not just victim, misguided or ‘brainwashed’. Once they organize and attain some power, there are multitudes among ‘the people’ eager to keep it at whatever cost.

ginghiniagenie
ginghiniagenie
Oct 4, 2020 3:20 AM
Reply to  John the First

Great article, says it all simply and beautifully – many thanks.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Oct 4, 2020 1:07 AM

53% of U.S. adults “very concerned” about covid

This recent poll indicates that around 50% of the US public are still firm believers in covid. And I suspect this is effectively a base-line level in that it won’t change regardless of evidence or facts.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/10/03/poll-public-concern-on-the-novel-coronavirus-remains-unchanged-following-trumps-diagnosis/
3 Oct 2020
Public concern over the novel coronavirus remains unchanged . . . with 53 percent of U.S. adults indicating that they were “very concerned.” . . . The level of concern is down from the 65 percent of Americans who indicated they were “very concerned” about the virus in early April. While it dipped back down to 51 percent in mid-June, the level of concern spiked again in early August, reaching 62 percent.
According to Morning Consult:
In Friday’s poll, the share of adults who said they were only somewhat concerned about the virus (29 percent), not concerned about it (17 percent) or didn’t know or had no opinion (1 percent) . . .
The survey, taken Friday afternoon among 905 registered voters . . .

THX-1143
THX-1143
Oct 4, 2020 7:27 AM

the fact that a full 47% of Americans are “not very concerned” about COVID-1984, is surely heartening news. they’re going to have trouble keeping the scam going, with that kind of approval rating. even some of the very concerned, are going to start noticing that they’re barely a majority, and wonder why.

Ilse
Ilse
Oct 7, 2020 1:43 PM
Reply to  THX-1143

just an anecdote, I know, but one that really made me happy. At the beginning of all this misery, my mother stated she doesn’t even want to see me anymore unless I would have the Gates vacciiiiiiine (to be pronounced in whiny tone of voice). Now, in a conversation this morning (of course videocall – let’s not hope for too much at once) she expressed her unwillingness to take it herself and her serious doubts about all the panic being spread.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 3, 2020 10:10 PM

Being that the OffGuard is one of the most prominent (if not the only) Covid-Hoax-Savvy open forums on the Internet, the Shill Activity directed this way is, lately, reaching epic proportions. The goal is clearly to A) make a mess of the sincere conversations/ debates in the comment threads and B) delegitimize the discourse and content hereabouts. The Shills are scurrying about like roaches when the kitchen light’s flicked on.

Remember the first time a so-called “Flat-Earther,” in a thread about chemtrails or 9/11 or vaccines… ever challenged you to prove the Earth isn’t flat? And you actually went to the trouble of doing so, because you thought you might be doing something noble by educating a lost soul…?

Don’t waste your time, Comrades…!

AlmondSan
AlmondSan
Oct 3, 2020 10:55 PM

It is you who is the shill here, bud. Go back to school. I bet that was public school.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 3, 2020 11:38 PM
Reply to  AlmondSan

hmmmmm…

bleak
bleak
Oct 4, 2020 1:50 AM
Reply to  AlmondSan

Classic shill-speak.

bleak
bleak
Oct 4, 2020 2:15 AM
Reply to  bleak

If that was sarcasm, well done. Shills are my only friends.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 4, 2020 8:38 AM
Reply to  bleak

Classic shill-speak indeed but it’s right about one thing: I went to a “public school”. In Chicago.

Simon
Simon
Oct 4, 2020 10:08 AM

Your not switching any lights on by posting a bunch of scientism cult bullying techniques.

A Marriage Made in Hell: Militant Atheism, Scientism, Wikipedia and Eugenics Richard Gale and Gary Null PhD Progressive Radio Network, February 21, 2020  

The many apparent discoveries and successes in science and medicine have awarded these advances with an authority that we far too often accept without question. Skepticism is a necessary and healthy faculty. However, when skepticism itself becomes a doctrine unto itself, then a large body of scientific evidence that convincingly takes authority to task is simply denied or aggressively denounced. Surrendering critical thinking and healthy skepticism to authority figures and institutions more often than not sidelines both the scientific and social need for an open and honest debate that can bring forth evidence that challenges the rule and control of a dominant authoritative view. Of course, many of the most radical scientific voices in the past who challenged authoritative paradigms were marked heretics, such as Galileo and Newton. And inevitably with the passage of time, the mavericks were proven correct.  Today the pariahs of the dominant scientific order include Deepak Chopra, Rupert Sheldrake, Nobel Laureates Brian Josephson and Luc Montagnier, and numerous medical professionals who have had the courage to look outside the glass walls of the dominant medical paradigm. But worse, when skepticism surrenders its own reasoning in order to proselytize an ideology or dogma then it risks being a very real danger to society. In effect, it becomes a fundamentalist cult.

Modern Skepticism, as a movement within the sciences, has become a pseudo-science better known as Scientism. The extreme radicalized New Atheism, represented by Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Jerry Coyne, Steven Novella, etc is a natural outcome of Scientism’s false certainty in its own absolute and rigid beliefs that have been transformed into rational objectivity.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 4, 2020 2:02 PM
Reply to  Simon

Good afternoon to you, Sir, and do fuck off with your laughable Shill-or-Ignorant Strawmen of Medieval Shit-Stirring Kit (typed with a smile). And haven’t TFIC given you the Winter 2020 schedule of talking points to “debunk” A) molecules B) Gravity… yet? Well, don’t wait for TFIC to tell you, show some ambition and start a nano-bullshit campaign of your own! You can be a GOLD STAR DISINFO LEADER in your own thread sector! Remember, whenever anyone questions the sinister actions of a Corrupt Plutocrat or Regime, dash right in and question the fabric of Reality itself! That’ll pull the rug right out from under any radical critic and muddle any critical conversation the poor fucker is attempting to initiate! (high five)

(PS Has anyone modern debunked the sperm theory of mammalian reproduction yet? I bet there’s SJW money in that…!)

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 4, 2020 2:43 PM
Reply to  Simon

Addendum: while you’re sneering at the Intellectually Dishonest Dawkins, have a quick look at your own reliance on transparent hucksters like Chopra and Sheldrake. What’s worse, Dawkins’ faith in theory-thief Darwin or your faith in Charismatic Post-Scientism a là Sheldrake, with its silly gimmicks and hooks based on zero lab-based evidence but thoroughly grounded in a flare for Marketing? But wait, let’s examine the own-goal you scored by citing a text referring admiringly to Luc Montagnier… a fucking virologist. You attack me for stating my belief in the existence of viruses… then copy-and-paste a text treating a virologist as an authority figure! Hilarious.

Do you even read the crap you post before posting it…?

(Not to mention your ridiculous assumption that I’m pro-vaccine; what I am is pro-pharmaceutical-product-safety; I assume the vast majority of vaccines are either unnecessary or unnecessarily risky and the appropriateness of which, even after the product is free of heavy metals and other contaminants, must be determined on a case-by-case basis. The tragedy being that of course Big Pharma can’t ever be trusted, nor its on-the-payroll doctors but neither can we trust the dogmatic ignorance of a bunch of YouTube savants raised on a steady diet of “Truth Tellers” who just happen to have books/ DVDs/ lecture-courses to sell: meaning YOU, Oh Wise One)

(rolls eyes and pedals away from the cinders on his environmentally friendly Flame-Mobile)

Simon
Simon
Oct 5, 2020 10:09 AM

I certainly did not attack you for your belief in viruses. You came on here and alleged people asking for evidence for Sars-cov2 being a pathogenic virus were tying to muddy the waters. Since you have no evidence you are obviously in the scientism cult which poses as being pro science and then fails to actually provide any evidence for their assertions instead relying almost exclusively on disinfo tactics like your rant huffing and puffing in indignation. Gary Null may be a virus believer but he also is quite well versed on exposing the scientism cult and it was in that context I referenced his analysis. Luc Montagnier may be a virologist but his work on water memory doesn’t lend much support for injecting even the most minute quantity of foreign material into the body.
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_mediacontrol36.htm

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 5, 2020 7:52 PM
Reply to  Simon

You came on here and alleged people asking for evidence for Sars-cov2 being a pathogenic virus were tying to muddy the waters.”

Har. I did no such thing. I’ve been mocking the people who believe in these Virtual Plagues since c. 2009. Care to try again…?

Watt
Watt
Oct 4, 2020 11:39 PM

Spot on. We can try not to engage directly with those who seek to ‘poison the well’. Leeches.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 5, 2020 6:10 AM
Reply to  Watt

I think it’s useful to flag their catshit as catshit (in case any innocent readers come along and get diverted by it)… but any attempts to “educate” or “convert” shills is obviously a waste of time. But how to tell deliberate shills from unwitting shills?

RobG
RobG
Oct 3, 2020 10:00 PM

Things are so fecking mad at the moment would you want to take a bet on this…

comment image:large

The psychopaths have completely trashed the global economy. There’s no going back on this, and it will mean massive civil unrest on a scale never seen before.

Many of us are pondering: what’s the game plan here? What’s the end game?

At the moment I still have no idea.

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 3, 2020 10:18 PM
Reply to  RobG

Nice pic. If the public don’t swallow the alien bit they can change the caption to “Here’s what COVID does to you!”

Jean Wilson
Jean Wilson
Oct 4, 2020 12:49 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Perhaps “here’s what lockdown does to you” would be more appropriate, as there’s no covid.

Jake long
Jake long
Oct 3, 2020 10:34 PM
Reply to  RobG

It is about American Empire and an attempt to survive, when their end is near.

They are like a starlet who refuses to leave the stage, and if they have to burn down the whole world to stay in the limelight, then they will. US Dollar policy: : ‘Last man (currency) standing’.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 5, 2020 11:19 AM
Reply to  Jake long

Scare stories about the “American Empire” remind me of the paranoia about ‘reds under the beds’. Except McCarthy had lots of evidence. Maybe today we should fear the expansionist, warmongering dictatorships of communist China and Islamist Iran instead of the Great Satan USA, with the horrible human rights and freedoms it inflicts on all Americans regardless of skin colour. Or worry about increasingly Islamist Turkey about to inflict genocide on Christian Armenia, so completing the work of the Ottoman Empire. So many terrible regimes in the world, and their murdering leaders don’t in fact carry US passports. Meanwhile, Trump the peacemaker. The times they are a changing.

The top U.S. general in the Middle East on Wednesday confirmed plans for partial troop drawdowns in both Iraq and Afghanistan before the Nov. 3 election, as President Donald Trump seeks to fulfill a campaign promise to end America’s “endless wars.”
https://news.yahoo.com/u-pull-1-200-troops-113858167.html

President Trump 9.9.20: “I’m not saying the military’s in love with me. The soldiers are. The top people in the Pentagon probably aren’t because they want to do nothing but fight wars so all of those companies that make the bombs and make the planes and make everything else stay happy.”
https://twitter.com/TVNewsHQ/status/1303037246875017216

“Trump has broken a 39-year-old streak of American Presidents either starting a war or bringing the United States into an international armed conflict. The last president to avoid doing so was Peace Prize laureate Jimmy Carter,” Tybring-Gjedde wrote. “I’m not a big Trump supporter,” Tybring-Gjedde said. “The committee should look at the facts and judge him on the facts — not on the way he behaves sometimes. The people who have received the Peace Prize in recent years have done much less than Donald Trump. For example, Barack Obama did nothing.”
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-nominated-for-nobel-peace-prize-for-role-in-brokering-israel-uae-deal

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Oct 4, 2020 3:03 AM
Reply to  RobG

“Many of us are pondering: what’s the game plan here? What’s the end game?”

Huh???

Our Overlords who are pulling off this scamdemic have made their game plan exceeding clear. In a nutshell, a techno-fascist neofeudal society with no middle class, consisting of roughly 90% at subsistence starvation, 9.9 percent technicians and jackboot enforcer thugs, and 0.1% aristocracy and oligarchs. As the Georgia Guide Stones read, the eugenicists’ wet dream of global population reduced to 500 million in a matter of a couple decades. (That’s about 94%.) The elimination of gender and parenting. (Re-read Fabian Socialist Huxley’s Brave New World for details.) A Luciferian global religion. Humans with nanochips embedded everywhere connected with 10G into an AI hive mind truly putting them into a virtual matrix. Bill Gates mandated altered DNA injections to turn us into genetically modified vegetables. While not great literature, The Hunger Games gives one a taste as does (renegade Fabian Socialist) Orwell’s famous quote “If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever.”

The one thing you can’t fault our masters for is that they didn’t make their intentions clear. One might ponder why they have been so open about them. The two leading theories are:
1) They are deep into the occult and they know that the greatest karmic crime is robbing another sentient being of its free will. Like a shyster lawyer, they figure that they can escape the karmic consequences if they announce their intensions before hand. The mass of humanity thus made their silent acceptance so no free will was violated. Not our fault that you didn’t read the fine print.
2) We pissants are too f@@king stupid to see what they are doing to us and too feckless to react to it anyway, so might as well rub it in before it is completed. One of the sterling features of our Overlords is their intrinsic sadism.

Hope that helps, Rob.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 4, 2020 9:07 AM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

“2) We pissants are too f@@king stupid to see what they are doing to us and too feckless to react to it anyway, so might as well rub it in before it is completed. One of the sterling features of our Overlords is their intrinsic sadism.”

Ding ding ding! Too often we use ourselves as the model when trying to figure out others, but if you aren’t a sadistic psycho who actually gets off on creating misery, and killing (wtf was Abu Ghraib if not Donnie Rumsfeld’s sexual fantasies made flesh? And an orgiastic opportunity for his minions to act out? As in all concentration camps), you will have difficulty understanding the bigger picture. Think about it: until .00000001&er lifespans are drastically extended, what’s the point of all this? TFIC have been involved in this project for generations (if not centuries) knowing full well, the vast majority of them, that they wouldn’t live to see the “Great Work” fulfilled. Still, they stuck with it, and indulged in their patient and sinister machinations, to move the thing forward. And “forward” to what? We’re all going to die eventually, anyway, so what’s the fucking point? The real point of the “Great Work” is the power to manipulate billions, to destroy struggle-built human systems, over and over again, like a creepy kid kicking down anthills, in the guise of War or Economic Depression… to make a city full of the helpless scream, to lie on a scale unimaginable to your victims, to wade in rivers of blood (conjuring the essence of one of their favorite creations, “The Old Testament,” with its psychopathic god modeled explicitly on themselves…). Even a Kapo (like a cop or some “public health official”) who decrees that some 85-year-old granny should be pointlessly, recklessly, cruelly isolated from all human contact for the last six weeks of her life… how is such a creature decreeing and/or enforcing this kind of gratuitous sadism if he/she isn’t actually totally fucking getting off on it? The “Great Work” is an alibi. The real point is Pure Evil.

It’s Psychos (not turtles) all the way up.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Oct 4, 2020 2:47 PM

Yes, it is strange that this “great project” can be pushed forward relentlessly for millennia until an exponentially exploding technology has finally reached a point where it can be fulfilled in spades. Seems contrary to “human nature” in general, and especially to psychopathic human nature. Makes one wonder if we are alone in this vast universe.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 4, 2020 6:39 PM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

“Yes, it is strange that this “great project” can be pushed forward relentlessly for millennia until an exponentially exploding technology has finally reached a point where it can be fulfilled in spades.”

This is the kind of philosophical problem worthy of serious study. There’s probably an answer somewhere in the concept of “tradition” and the psychological mumbo jumbo that will bind generations to certain rituals, proudly and inexhaustibly (re) enacted. But, as you say… before even the invention of the transistor, or the harnessing of electricity itself, how could any of TFIC have foreseen that what must have seemed incredibly farfetched in 1650 (Global Mind Control)… would verge on being conceivable in 1950, start looking like a do-able thing in 2000 and be, by 2020, very nearly a fait accompli, justifying centuries of patience…?

Of course, it wouldn’t hurt to be able to look (in the guise of an historian) at the Aristocracy’s notes/ diaries/ decrees/ secret-meeting-minutes and sonnets on the subject. You know they exist: what narcissist doesn’t tirelessly record and mythologize his/her narrative?

Re: being alone or not in the Universe: even as a former Sci Fi fanatic it strikes me that we don’t fully appreciate how astronomcally unlikely our Existence is. I think there’s very probably Life out there but it’s also overwhelmingly likely that most of it is protoplasm or has gotten as far up the ladder as woodland creatures. I feel if there were Super-Intelligences anywhere near us, we’d know already: why would they bother to hide? Do we “hide” when we walk across a field of beetles…? The scariest thought of all could very well be that WE are pretty much the most “advanced” thing going. Just entertain the notion for long enough to give yourself chills…

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Oct 4, 2020 9:33 PM

The existence of humanity is only “astronomically unlikely” if one accepts the 3D mechanistic model of the universe, and that life evolved through the random interaction of atoms and molecules. While I did believe this for the bulk of my 74 years, I now find it both ridiculous and impossible unless one suggests an eternity of time, not the meagre 12 billion years since the big bang. Time to drop the Newtonian billiard ball model of the universe and get with quantum mechanics which has been dragged screaming to the conclusion that one cannot exclude the effect of consciousness from an experiment.

Second your take that humanity is simply like a beetle to higher intelligences is not the actuality IMO, and only the most malevolent ones hold humanity in contempt, But explaining my position would take a lot of pages if not a book. Finally why do most predators hide from their prey? I never saw a lioness stalking a wildebeest waving the Union Jack.

bleak
bleak
Oct 4, 2020 6:54 PM

“Still, they stuck with it, and indulged in their patient and sinister machinations, to move the thing forward. And “forward” to what? We’re all going to die eventually, anyway, so what’s the fucking point?”

To them, it’s all about their so-called bloodline. Which is ridiculous and makes them even more ridiculous but I think they take it seriously. Can I prove this? No. But one only has to look at a “Royal Family” photo to see something very wrong. Was Neville Chamberlain an early “peace wager” or did he only want a seat at the Big Table?

And the real point is Pure Evil, as you say, but it’s evil with a nod and a wink. One thing that has prevented us pissants from realizing what the hell was/is taking place in front of our faces is overall ignorance regarding the occult or “hidden knowledge” which also has been staring us in the face since forever. Maybe something else Chamberlain had in common with Hitler.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 5, 2020 6:01 AM
Reply to  bleak

To them, it’s all about their so-called bloodline. Which is ridiculous and makes them even more ridiculous but I think they take it seriously.”

This is what I’ve often wondered: are they actually, with their bloodlines bullshit, preserving the “superpower” of their Psychopathy?

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 5, 2020 1:41 PM

Is there any evidence that plebs worry less about continuing their bloodline than do the globalist elites? I thought continuing the species was a universal goal in nature. I’m also wondering about your talk of ‘pure evil’. I don’t deny that our current predicament may be a religious rather than a political struggle, nor am I questioning the existence of evil. What concerns me is the great problem of identifying its agents. Hitler located evil in German Jews, Stalin in capitalists and imperialists. Many millions died because of such delusions, which, with hindsight, we can now view as the projections of truly evil men. By contrast, I don’t see any evil in the politically powerless Royal Family.

dr death
dr death
Oct 5, 2020 2:04 PM

‘civilization’ was their baby, they are the families that were there at the beginning ,they have had several attempts at ‘utopia’ over the millennia.
you said it when you mentioned the great work, though I suspect you don’t really understand it.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 5, 2020 6:20 PM
Reply to  dr death

“you said it when you mentioned the great work, though I suspect you don’t really understand it.”

Ha ha. Oh Dear. I’m this close to receiving the Esoteric Wisdom of The Ages from a comment-thread avatar, in an online forum, on a Monday night. Goethe would be green with envy.

bleak
bleak
Oct 5, 2020 3:58 PM

I think it’s them playing “God” thinking that man has power over or equal to the Divine, to be gods. Becoming perfect. Conquer death or at least prolong it. Not that we shouldn’t strive to improve our spiritual natures and understanding of things beyond the senses (it should be our main focus IMO), but dark occultists use ancient knowledge to benefit themselves at our expense. They are using us as energy sources just like in the Matrix movies. And we’re being sacrificed to give them power.

They lack humility especially when it comes to those whose power and true divinity they will never achieve. Jealous little humans. How pathetic.

If people would look at the occult more, we might stand a chance in the coming decade. How many people see the covid hoax “safety” proclamations as rituals? Masks, distancing, hand-washing… all dark occult rituals that are, if anything, a mockery of humanity. 9/11 was a satanic ritual, of that I am sure.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 5, 2020 11:32 AM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

This talk of ‘overlords’ makes me wonder if the UK government is one of them or just their gullible servant. If the second, then we should defend or rescue them from Gates and big pharma. I found the following exchange to be revealing. Boris reportedly doesn’t respond to tweets or emails from UK voters, but he immediately responded to this tweet by a famous US billionaire:

Great to see the UK commit vital funding to ensure COVID-19 vaccines are available for the world’s poorest people. PM @BorisJohnson’s plan will improve the way we prepare for future crises like this. https://t.co/SMzVlVpEyQ

— Bill Gates (@BillGates) September 26, 2020

Fantastic to have your support Bill. We will work with our friends around the world to ensure vaccines reach the poorest and deliver our five point plan to protect humanity against another pandemic.
1:57 PM · Sep 28, 2020

“The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants”, said Albert Camus.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Oct 5, 2020 1:42 PM

The political class is certainly not the Overlords. They are simply the middle management gofers for the Overlords, charged with moving their agenda forward and keeping the illusion that the pissants have some choice as to their condition through a vote. They are here today and gone tomorrow, but gone very comfortably with a thank you for your service. I think your little exchange between Boris Badenov and the Princeling of Darkness says it all. We don’t even really know the names of the true Overlords. The highest we can see is the bottom rung of upper management on the pyramid of power, the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds, the Black Nobility, and some exalted billionaires.

On another note I find it interesting that both Trump and the top bananaess of the EU should come down with cv-1984 simultaneously. Oh my gosh!! If these icons of strength are endangered, I am totally terrified that my sojourn on this mortal coil is coming to an end. Well, they have to do something to “give fear a chance” until the “traditional” flu seasons rolls about when they can showcase cv-1984 deaths even when conjoined with motorcycle accidents or stage 4 cancer.

Blubber
Blubber
Oct 23, 2020 2:39 PM
Reply to  RobG

Laughed out loud – love it

LouisaJoyful
LouisaJoyful
Oct 3, 2020 9:14 PM

This made me smile (and dance). I’d love to know what is it that makes some of us doubt and others believe the story. There appears to be No rhyme, rhythm or reason to the discrepancy. But I wonder… if it’s a reflection of true Open heart and open mind, a willingness to be vulnerable and trust in the power of love and to stand up for what we believe and fight if we have too.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0QDKLglEP5Y

Julian
Julian
Oct 4, 2020 11:27 AM
Reply to  LouisaJoyful

This is a very good point that I also agree with. It seems self-evident to some.. from the getgo even.. like it’s easy to ‘smell a rat’.. for others.. you could hold up the evidence for foul play in front of their noses, yet they don’t smell anything. Is this a spiritual matter? Cognitive dissonance? Cowardice? Surely all are aware of love, all have the capacity for love and to do what is right. Maybe it’s just that perception can be so cleverly controlled that people can be diverted to ‘doing what’s right’ (e.g. vaccinating children with potentially dangerous consequences because they believe it’s going to save them from disease) that they are indeed fighting ‘with love’ for the truth they believe even when it’s the wrong truth.. ‘stay at home save lives’ is another one…. but why don’t people see it when the dictate is shown to be false? That’s the bit I don’t get.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 5, 2020 1:46 PM
Reply to  LouisaJoyful

I see that many people don’t hesitate to stand up and fight against the many millions of white people they call racists, fascists, white supremacists etc. Others stand up to denounce and chant the ‘Great Satan’ and burn flags etc. But I can’t see how this behaviour reflects the power of love or open minds.

austrian peter
austrian peter
Oct 3, 2020 8:35 PM

You do go on – I read a bit and then it became interminable. Suffice to say that an enlightened author in 1954 said it better than me:
https://in-this-together.com/Wdh4hd/SwFqw.pdf

Joe Shmuk
Joe Shmuk
Oct 4, 2020 1:39 AM
Reply to  austrian peter

Austrian Peter, I’ve read some of your articles and enjoyed them. I really enjoyed every word of Sinead Murphy’s layered and poetic essay and didn’t find it the least bit interminable. Your comment has sharpened me up to perhaps be a tad more critical of your own next article.

austrian peter
austrian peter
Oct 4, 2020 5:36 AM
Reply to  Joe Shmuk

I was rushing at the time, but no excuse, it was a good article and I should have said so. But please do be critical of my scribbling – it’s what will sharpen me up too! 🙂

Julian
Julian
Oct 4, 2020 12:33 PM
Reply to  austrian peter

I’ve long heard of this article, but took the trouble to scan read it this time. Thanks for posting. p36 and 42 particularly interesting. The maths and physics make sense too. The ‘found on a copier’ sounds fanciful… such things are believable, but provable? But the arguments in the document seem sound nonetheless. And look where we are today…40 years later.

austrian peter
austrian peter
Oct 4, 2020 11:54 PM
Reply to  Julian

Thanks Julian. I have my doubts about the authenticity too – no way I know of checking.

AlmondSan
AlmondSan
Oct 3, 2020 8:09 PM

Britain was perfectly ready to embrace social distancing – they’ve been practicing it for centuries. Don’t get too matey, mate.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Oct 5, 2020 12:34 AM
Reply to  AlmondSan

Quite right (I speak as a Brit). And things like the elbow bump? Brits (of my generation) hardly ever shook hands anyway, except under certain circumstances which only occurred from time to time. I mean normal Brits; not politicians and the like.

Simon
Simon
Oct 5, 2020 10:32 AM
Reply to  AlmondSan

Thats because these lockdowns and sociopathic distancing have been done before. We had already been living in the aftermath of previous attacks by these germ theorists which are obviously designed to sabotage social organisation, community etc and allow terrorists to do the organising. The bullies in school for example were manifestations of the “wheres your mask, keep your distance” mentality.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 5, 2020 1:52 PM
Reply to  Simon

But are the terrorists you mention terrorising our government too? Or is UK government their willing agent (as opposed to unwitting dupe or puppet)?

John
John
Oct 3, 2020 6:59 PM

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bleak
bleak
Oct 4, 2020 1:57 AM
Reply to  John

Fear born of ignorance; the root of evil.

Reachable Spike
Reachable Spike
Oct 3, 2020 6:39 PM

All I would add to this wonderful essay is that the reader should understand and keep in mind the actual powers at the top of the vertical oppression. It is not clueless, expendable at a moment’s notice, government officials.

ginghiniagenie
ginghiniagenie
Oct 4, 2020 3:26 AM

Spiritual wickedness in high places.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 5, 2020 2:18 PM
Reply to  ginghiniagenie

The concept of evil has fuelled war, persecution and genocide throughout history. It makes groups believe that they are fighting a just cause against an ‘evil’ enemy and that once the ‘evil’ people have been killed, peace and goodness will reign supreme. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, today’s dictators all believe(d) they were fighting for the common good and thus against the evil ones standing in their way. Millions of innocents died because of this false judgement. Millions today falsely judge people with Islamic beards or carrying US passports as evil. So the great challenge is how to avoid attributing evil falsely, a mistake which evil must encourage. We don’t want to get it wrong, or confuse ‘evil’ with ‘mistake’. Dennis Prager explains further: “The lockdown is a mistake; the Holocaust, slavery, communism, fascism, etc., were evils. Massive mistakes are made by arrogant fools; massive evils are committed by evil people.”

ginghiniagenie
ginghiniagenie
Nov 1, 2020 1:43 AM

You have been posting unalloyed bullshit for weeks.

Do us all a favour and fuck off.

John
John
Oct 3, 2020 6:38 PM

Worth reading on over amplification of old DNA in the PCR test. New York Times says: “C.D.C.’s own calculations suggest that it is extremely difficult to detect any live virus in a sample above a threshold of 33 cycles.”

https://twitter.com/Charlotte3003G/status/1312343536227016710?s=20

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mgeo
mgeo
Oct 4, 2020 7:37 AM
Reply to  John

The test is for an RNA sequence (fragment); the inventor of the test emphasised it cannot detect (or rule out) live virus.

Cassandra2
Cassandra2
Oct 3, 2020 5:54 PM

WE, or the 95% of the population are ‘doing it’ because those desiring that we DO IT, hold control over the Politicians (front-line authoritative figures providing gravitas to the deception) and the MASS MEDIA (mind induction conduit); they also employ the best Mass Behavioural Psychology Specialists in the world.

This combination brought the world to a standstill in 24 hours. Unless humanity can get it’s act together via something like http://www.nwo4ep.com, 90% of humanity will be history (UN Agenda 21).

Grafter
Grafter
Oct 4, 2020 1:45 AM
Reply to  Cassandra2

99%

steadydirt
steadydirt
Oct 3, 2020 5:36 PM

great thinkings
don’t get me started on “networking”

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Oct 3, 2020 4:44 PM

With Trump, its all theatre. Don’t believe a word. Even the kids have sussed that out, though their parents haven’t got a clue.

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
Oct 3, 2020 6:10 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

What the hell is that thing?!

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Oct 3, 2020 6:21 PM
Reply to  Voz 0db

dunno, but it made me laugh

Voz 0db
Voz 0db
Oct 3, 2020 9:40 PM
Reply to  THX-1143

“healthcare workers”! Right…

Hank
Hank
Oct 4, 2020 12:09 PM
Reply to  Voz 0db

“healthcare workers”! Right…

No,,, Tik Tok dancer.

Voz 0db
Voz 0db
Oct 5, 2020 7:03 PM
Reply to  Hank

Yep… dancing during a “TERRIBLE PANDEMIC”!

They should had made that PoS with a dance move.

John
John
Oct 3, 2020 10:56 PM
Reply to  THX-1143

Hideous! Virtue signalling doctor about to faint because she can’t breathe properly in the mask and because she’s spent all day vaxxing kids against their parents’ wishes.

Ort
Ort
Oct 4, 2020 7:45 PM
Reply to  John

That, or perhaps the statue was redressed and repurposed to reflect the current Megadeath Virus of Doom zeitgeist.

It looks like it might’ve originally been a piece Global War on Terror-era sculptureganda, with a framing component removed: The Unknown Passenger Passing Through an Airport Metal Detector.

Jean Wilson
Jean Wilson
Oct 4, 2020 12:51 AM
Reply to  THX-1143

Looks a bit like Greta Thumpberg.

Grafter
Grafter
Oct 4, 2020 1:46 AM
Reply to  THX-1143

Grotesque

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Oct 5, 2020 12:36 AM
Reply to  Grafter

Gretesque.

Hank
Hank
Oct 4, 2020 12:07 PM
Reply to  THX-1143

Too white,,,,,take it down.

THX-1143
THX-1143
Oct 4, 2020 12:19 PM
Reply to  Hank

it’s in Latvia, everybody is white.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 5, 2020 2:32 PM
Reply to  THX-1143

Bad racist Latvia. They must import lots of non-whites now to fix the problem and build the multicultural paradise so many already enjoy. Oddly, no-one ever argues that non-white societies, like China, Saudi, India and Nigeria, need to import anyone, white or otherwise.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 5, 2020 6:25 PM

“Oddly, no-one ever argues that non-white societies, like China, Saudi, India and Nigeria, need to import anyone, white or otherwise.”

Even more oddly: Who the Fuck has argued that anyone needs to export “non-whites” to Latvia? Except you, just now? When shouting between yourselves, do you use two voices…?

Mrs Watcher
Mrs Watcher
Oct 8, 2020 11:39 PM
Reply to  THX-1143

It’s interesting, but I used to respect “health care” workers.
Now? I’d like to see them all hang on the same gibbets as journalists.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Oct 3, 2020 7:59 PM
Reply to  Voz 0db

https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/1190038/latvia-dedicates-gigantic-statue-to-covid-19-medics

Its in Latvia. Believe it or not, I sold a car on ebay to a bloke from Latvia. He flew over to collect it. I told him everything that was wrong with it. It had failed its MOT.

He offered me £450 for it, which was the highest bid. He trusted me, and flew over from Latvia – £25 on EasyJet, and drove it back to Latvia. His mates in England had checked it out. They seemed very Russian to me, but I like people from Eastern Europe, and can’t tell the difference, except they drink even more than me. I have always found them completely honest and generous in a drinking match, and they always win.

The Americans can’t compete.

To ship an old German car to the USA, would cost a fortune, though I do know some people who have imported old American Classic Cars to the UK

Americans used to be Class.

Tony

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 5, 2020 2:35 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Many people say such generalisation is problematic, but I’m pretty sure you intend no harm with your comment about classless Americans. By contrast, some really do see those with US passports as agents of Satan.

wardropper
wardropper
Oct 3, 2020 6:15 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Perhaps it sounds a little heartless, but when Trump, Johnson, Macron, Trudeau, Morrison, Ardern etc. actually die of covid, I’ll be listening. Prominent politicians, “diagnosed” as “cases” which have “tested positive” – and, if sick at all, are certainly not sick enough to attract significant concern from anyone – these indicate something much more serious: A profoundly sick system, which really ought to be ignored by all of us.
The effective bullying which is now going on fits into the usual two categories:
a) The bully who, when ignored, gets bored and goes away.
b) The really nasty bully who cannot be satisfied until he has reduced his victim to weeping powerlessness, or until his victim rises up and punches him in the eye.
It is becoming clearer by the day which kind we are confronted with, and, as the point of this excellent article shows, our task is to find out why we take it.
When we realize that it is because we are weak and lazy, we’re going to have to pull up our socks and deal with this abomination appropriately.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 5, 2020 2:41 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Many people constantly abused as dumb gammons, little englanders, xenophobes, racists and white supremacists must surely want to punch their abusers in the eye. Naturally enough, people from cultures with violent reputations are much less likely to suffer such abuse from those unlike themselves. For example, western comedians have built their careers by insulting Christians, but would never dare mock those from more aggressive religions, in which an eye for an eye counts as justice. Is that double standard owing to prejudice, cowardice, or just natural self-preservation?

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 5, 2020 2:23 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

How and when did you suss out this alleged truth? Sharing your knowledge would be helpful for Trump-haters, who often parrot second-hand opinions in obedient fashion.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 3, 2020 4:29 PM

@Geoff S: https://off-guardian.org/2020/10/03/together-apart-the-social-distance-backstory/#comment-250546

Endless articles doing nothing but establishing that yes, it is a scam. WE KNOW. I’m sorry but yet another article bemoaning that bad stuff is happening won’t change anything. Bait placed below the line about how viruses don’t exist, trying to distract, just like space lasers superheating the towers. It’s all just noise.

Exactly. COVID is obvious nonsense but if viruses “don’t exist,” French-kiss someone with an active Herpes eruption, three times in as many days, and document the result. I was initially relieved, early this year, to find that OffGuard is a bastion of Covid-See-Through-ers (unlike many supposedly radical dissident sites)… but felt increasingly dismayed by the “rebelliously” (self-sabotagingly) Medievalist approach to science displayed by so many commenters. I believe there was a time (not super long ago) before all info was tainted and controlled by “sCIAnce” and empirical evidence leads me to believe that classical mechanics, electrical engineering, the bulk of Astronomy and the bulk of Virus Theory, et al, are fairly reliable. What is absolutely corrupt is Big Pharma. Baby and bathwater are absolutely separable, as are the Generally Useless (and Evil) and The Generally Useful (and necessary).

“To this end, I implore either off-guardian, or someone with the savvy to do so, to create a space to discuss how to effectively organise and what we can do to resist.”

Ah but there’s the problem: anything WE can read and act on, so can TFIC. If we don’t take TFIC seriously enough to be aware of the danger of that, all of this talk is worse than pointless.

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 3, 2020 4:58 PM

So are you claiming based on anecdotal evidence you have pulled out of nowhere, that novel viruses must therefore exist and be aerosol transmissible because you believe Herpes is a virus and highly contagious.

Do you even know where Herpes came from? A bat perhaps? Or a pig? Or a bird?

Or maybe, just maybe, it came from a bioweapons lab, and found its way into a vaccine.

https://www.drugs.com/answers/shingles-vaccine-genital-herpes-outbreak-2143247.html?page=3

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Oct 3, 2020 7:22 PM
Reply to  Researcher

Researcher,

No real Researcher, would choose the handle you chose, unless they were really young, and had never actually done much if any Research

Still some of your posts are really good.

17 still at school?

You will get better.

I would recommend Pure & Applied Physics, Maths, and Engineering, if you can find anyone to teach it, rather than the story of physics and maths which are now taught in most schools, as if it is a history lesson.

It’s not just theory, you need to get your hands on too, to see if it works.

She probably really fancies you, but you are spending too much tiime on here, and you don’t realise. You should talk to her or him.

I used to be young too. I know how you feel.

Just take a deep breath, calm down and try not to stammer.

Tony

Someone
Someone
Oct 3, 2020 8:15 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

So do you have an actual argument against what he said or nah?

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 3, 2020 9:43 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Classy. Grow up Tony.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 4, 2020 3:10 PM
Reply to  Researcher

“So are you claiming based on anecdotal evidence you have pulled out of nowhere, that novel viruses must therefore exist and be aerosol transmissible because you believe Herpes is a virus and highly contagious.”

Are you indicating that you can’t read? (Rhetorical question)

I believe (and stated) that viruses exist. I believe “Covid” is a meme. I believe that I have caught colds by being sneezed on; I believe that I have caught various strains of the Flu similarly. I also believe that if “Covid” were real and virulent as once claimed, quite a substantial chunk of Europe would be dead or dying by now, because the masks (not to mention the shawls, scarfs, sleeves and fishnet stockings) are ridiculous voodoo-prophylactics.I believe that a firm grounding in the Sciences will not only inoculate one against the cynically pseudo-scientific Lies of TFIC but against the muddle that ignorant zealots like you spread in a transmissably aerosolized cloud of anecdotal catshit.

Thanks for seething,

SA

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 5, 2020 3:24 PM

Proving that current scientific knowledge is wrong or incomplete is what scientists do constantly, and the progress of knowledge depends on this process of falsification. 1000s of highly trained scientists may believe that humans are uniquely responsible for dangerous climate change, but that doesn’t make them correct. If they are sure it does, then they are denying the possibility of progress in climate science. They put their faith in dogma, not sceptical thinking; they are no longer doing science when certainty defeats scepticism. Establishment scientists who refuse to revise their knowledge in the light of scepticism and critical feedback are not being scientific, no matter how ‘firm their grounding’ in the Sciences. What gives people a firm grounding in the value of scepticism, much more so than with a technical science education, is philosophy.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 5, 2020 3:00 PM
Reply to  Researcher

Wuhan researchers sought, found, stored and studied many viruses both novel and with potential to infect humans, from Chinese horseshoe bats. Their work has been openly and proudly published for years and remains online. Also online are old fears that one big reason the Wuhan Institute of Virology exists is to develop new bioweapons for the enormous and fast-growing communist military.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 5, 2020 3:04 PM
Reply to  Researcher

“Isolation and characterization of a bat SARS-like coronavirus that uses the ACE2 receptor”. Google this to see 2013 research from the Wuhan team on how they located novel coronaviruses in horseshoe bats, and how they isolated those able to directly infect humans.

Geoff S
Geoff S
Oct 3, 2020 5:14 PM

“anything WE can read and act on, so can TFIC”. Yes but thats akin to saying you won’t use open source software because the code is easily available for inspection by malicious black hat hackers – that doesn’t mean its less safe or should be avoided.I don’t think there is a way to avoid malicious actors from accessing anything, so I prefer it is fully open and in daylight.

Of course. they can and will take notice of anything that they may ‘need to deal with’. Doesn’t mean that they will be able to derail everything. Who knows what we might find if we establish a respository of useful thought, stripped of all the chaff.
I’d rather go down fighting and say I tried to do something than regret and think ‘what if?’

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 3, 2020 6:29 PM
Reply to  Geoff S

I’m in utter agreement with your sentiment. I’m just worried about the tactical issue that the psychopaths we’re up against are seriously, relentless, bloodthirsty and obsessed with “winning” at all costs. They’re fighting this as the actual War that it is… whereas we’re all still rather polite, decent and reasonable (well, most of us are: laugh). I suppose I’m thinking that any organizing will really have to be done largely off-Web.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 3, 2020 6:45 PM

“the psychopaths we’re up against are seriously,”

(looks like I forgot to insert the adjective there; maybe it was “deranged”)

Geoff S
Geoff S
Oct 3, 2020 7:12 PM

“They’re fighting this as the actual War that it is… whereas we’re all still rather polite, decent and reasonable”

I wish that wasn’t true but it is. I also agree that much organising will have to be done offline. But I think a knowledge pool online would be an invaluable asset to assist in that.

  • local groups sharing ideas that have borne fruit
  • new info that comes to light
  • help on starting such efforts
  • putting local people in contact
  • keeping people of different nations aware of how things are genuinely progressing on the ground elsewhere

I’m sure a wealth of uses would be found

Yes, the real fight will be offline. But we can’t let each local struggle become isolated and alone.

Grace Johns
Grace Johns
Oct 3, 2020 11:01 PM
Reply to  Geoff S

We could do with a private Slack group or something similar to discuss real options and keep shills out (actual shills not people we don’t agree with). With the number of people here in agreement on issues, IDK why we don’t buy land together and build some tiny houses

Geoff S
Geoff S
Oct 4, 2020 1:32 AM
Reply to  Grace Johns

The slack thing would be fine for small groups, and am not opposed to the idea, but my understanding is its more project oriented and not tremendously scalable. Still, it could be a useful platform to get the ball rolling.

Am also totally on board with buying land. I can chip in a score. Maybe even manage a pony if I skip the kebab tomorrow. How big a plot does that get me?

Grace Johns
Grace Johns
Oct 4, 2020 2:10 AM
Reply to  Geoff S

Slack can go as huge as it needs to be and it can be project driven but doesn’t have to be. A large group of authors used it as a forum – there’s a general thread, you can make topic threads and have PMs. Only prob we had was that on a free plan, there’s a rolling limit of 10k messages which is irritating to lose stuff. We moved to a paid plan, I think it’s less than $100/yr

I don’t have land to sell, swamp in FLA or otherwise but I see a few alternates talking about moving to Mexican hills and the land can be pretty cheap here, so long as there aren’t gringos around

Someone
Someone
Oct 3, 2020 5:15 PM

But has the herpes virus been isolated? If not, sorry but it can’t be proved either.

I mean, it might even exist, but the burden of proof of something’s existence is on those who claim it, right?

kevin king
kevin king
Oct 3, 2020 5:16 PM

Clearly an Arts student. You don’t understand the scientific method. Do you think your Gedankenexperiment with Herpes is meaningful? Germ theory is simply wrong. In fact as a famous physicist would have put it, it’s not even wrong. The problem is you have been so brainwashed by the indocrination camp you went to that you are unable to see outside of what you have been told. You are incapable of real analysis hence your claim about a ‘Medievalist’ approach to science. You don’t even know what science is. This applies to the vast majority of medical students by the way.

Someone
Someone
Oct 3, 2020 5:42 PM
Reply to  kevin king

Hey I was an arts student and I do understand the scientific method…

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 3, 2020 6:40 PM
Reply to  kevin king

“You don’t even know what science is.”

I must say I thoroughly enjoy the methodically scientific way you’ve generated this disparaging profile of me, and my level of education, based largely on the fact that I disagree with you. Brilliant. But I get nearly-identical responses from Flat Earthers, too: what can I deduce from that… that won’t offend you? In fact, with the advent of “Covid,” I’ve read more such coments, than ever, from (Covid-Believer) people presuming to know much (much) more about science than I ever will. I guess that means that it’s just a convenient pose to strike, in a comment thread, and nothing more? Yes, that sounds about right.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 5, 2020 4:09 PM

Those who smear critics rather than refute their arguments usually feel threatened. They are seeking to silence or negate the threat. A classic example would be the medieval clerics who sometimes succeeded in burning to death the scientist ‘heretics’ with theories contradicting orthodox opinion. Their new ideas threatened the power, privilege and prestige of the Church. Today, alarmist scientists and politicians fear and smear experts who criticise the establishment theories that ‘our house is burning down’, and that only guilty humans cause climate change. Fergusson, Whitty and Vallant similarly defend their very shaky theories about preventing pandemic, arrogantly assuming infallibility and refusing all sceptical opinion. If only they were scientific enough to realise how they are betraying science.

THX-1143
THX-1143
Oct 3, 2020 8:08 PM
Reply to  kevin king

Germ theory is simply wrong.

germ theory postulates that various diseases can be transmitted from one person to another, while in close contact, and uses the word “germ” to refer to the causative agents thereof.

the evidence that supports this theory is known to every person on earth, through direct personal experience.

if you want to argue that this idea is “wrong”, you’re going to have rather an uphill climb.

if you knew anything about “science” yourself, you would cite some contradictory evidence, but of course you can’t do that.

AlmondSan
AlmondSan
Oct 3, 2020 11:02 PM
Reply to  THX-1143

There is no evidence that viruses actually make people ill. Correlation is not causation, etc. The big giveaway is the ludicrous concept of “asymptomatic carriers”…

You see, if we had a well-known poison or drug such as say morphine and we gave a large dose to 100 people who have never had that drug before, we can be sure that pretty much all of them will experience the drug’s effects.
This is not the case with viruses, and viruses of course are not bacteria nor are they living entities. They are theoretical constructs.

Nor is there clear understanding of what viruses are and why they’re there.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 5, 2020 4:34 PM
Reply to  AlmondSan

That someone is immune to something we call ‘virus’ suggests the existence of immunity, not the non-existence of viruses. Also, why saying ‘viruses don’t exist’ so matters to you beats me. Wikipedia, admittedly not the most reliable authority, seems clear: “A virus is a submicroscopic infectious agent that replicates only inside the living cells of an organism. Viruses infect all types of life forms, from animals and plants to microorganisms, including bacteria and archaea”. If we replaced the ‘covid19 virus’ with ‘the covid19 plague’ or even ‘the wu-flu’, would it matter or affect our current predicament in any way?

Simon
Simon
Oct 4, 2020 12:25 PM
Reply to  THX-1143

What experience would that be? They got sick soon after someone else? That is not any sort of evidence there was contagion. They could for example have both been experiencing low vitamin D levels. The weather conditions could have been similar, their food might have been particularly low in biophotons, they could have been drinking alot etc. There were other times someone coughed and they didn’t get sick. I can post evidence but you haven’t actually posted any evidence, just made a claim that everbody has experienced something when they haven’t. In anycase to prove the germ theory you have to do much more than find an association because you are trying to prove causation rather than association.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Oct 5, 2020 12:46 AM
Reply to  THX-1143

There are plenty of times that people have been in close contact with other people who had symptoms of e.g. heavy colds, but have not caught the disease from those people. (And indeed, ditto with more serious diseases, but let’s keep this simple). Direct person experience.

How do you explain that? (I know how I would explain it, but I’d like to hear your version).

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 5, 2020 5:55 AM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

There are plenty of times that people have been in close contact with other people who had symptoms of e.g. heavy colds, but have not caught the disease from those people.”

“How do you explain that?”

It’s called your “Immune System”.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 5, 2020 3:51 PM
Reply to  kevin king

Why not define science to help the less informed? You could cite Karl Popper, who taught us that “the growth of knowledge depends entirely upon disagreement,” or Richard Feynman’s wonderfully succinct formulation that science is ‘belief in the ignorance of experts’. The basic lesson is that those who aren’t sceptical about current knowledge are also preventing or even denying progress in knowledge, as medieval clerics once did. By treating science and scientists as infallible oracle or authority rather than as critical interrogators and improvers of establishment ‘truths’, they are being unscientific. See infallible experts Whitty, Fergusson and Vallant, all science graduates I believe, for confirmation of this accusation. BTW, my knowledge of science didn’t come from my arts degrees in history and philosophy, but from public understanding of science, the main disciplinary resource on which my PhD in science studies was based.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Oct 3, 2020 5:17 PM

Most people know sod all about Science and most people won’t have a clue what TFIC means. I know some people here write a load of bollocks, as if they have never caught a cold, or even thrush, but what Geoff S is asking for is Off-G to introduce censorship, and refinement, as if they haven’t got enough to deal with already with a buggy comment system, they acquired from somewhere.

I know its not perfect but nothing is. If they start buggering about with it too much, they will probably make it worse. If it works reasonably O.K. then don’t try and fix it, unless you have thoroughly tested the fix, which in a live environment such as this is extremely difficult to do.

Geoff S
Geoff S
Oct 3, 2020 5:55 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Am not asking for censorship at all on the main existing space. Leave it as is. What I’m asking for is a separate section which would have a form of limited censorship in that comments wouldn’t be deleted, simply anything off-topic would be moved to somewhere else. It could be completely technically separate from this and if the owners are too busy to run it, I am sure that a handful of volunteers could be found. I’d be happy to and I’m sure others would too.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 3, 2020 7:07 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Tonyopmoc!

“but what Geoff S is asking for is Off-G to introduce censorship”

I think he’s just suggesting a “phase two”. I’ve often felt the same thing. After 20+ years of initially attempting to convert the naive, then spending the latter half of that in an echo-chamber of Every Possible Variant of All The Major Parapolitical Theories (with a hellish number of variants on the variants)… it strikes me now that the Theorizing has become a kind of energy-draining trap. It’s also quite weird to have spent so much time being the “troll” on Mainstream sites… and end up here, where everyone is already “clued-in” attitudinally but still arguing about the details. You can’t treat people here like “sheeple” (as I was just treated, coincidentally, for suggesting that viruses are real, even if “Covid” is a hoax)… but, still: all of us can’t be right… right? And how will we ever know? A Zero Sum cul-de-sac for the Skeptic?

So, I think Geoff S. wants to move forward. If Parapolitical Thought were a Uni, we’d all have graduated by now.

PS I wonder how many people who think I’m a Dupe for believing in the reality of viruses… also think I’m “scientifically illiterate” for not believing in the Apollo Hoax? Eh?

Geoff S
Geoff S
Oct 3, 2020 7:37 PM

Thanks for this, in case there is any doubt, this hasn’t misrepresented my position in the slightest, and is more eloquent than I achieved

On a side note, the constant challenges from the “viruses don’t exist” contributors have ramped up significantly on this topic, perversely in precise ignorance of the main thrust of my original point. I think its a perfect illustration of the need to move on from this random talking shop approach

THX-1143
THX-1143
Oct 3, 2020 8:21 PM
Reply to  Geoff S

the constant challenges from the “viruses don’t exist” contributors have ramped up significantly

an economical response would be to assume that such personas are effectively disinfo shills, whether or not they’re consciously aware of it, and treat them accordingly.

I concur that a consistently scientific evaluation of the publicly available evidence, would lead one to believe in both the reality of something called “viruses”, and the unreality of something called the “Apollo Moon Landing”.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 3, 2020 9:22 PM
Reply to  THX-1143

Alright then: THREE of us have found TWO topics we agree on: Time to start a movement…!

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 3, 2020 9:26 PM
Reply to  THX-1143

And let’s not forget the classic:

https://centerforaninformedamerica.com/moondoggie/

Simon
Simon
Oct 4, 2020 9:59 AM
Reply to  THX-1143

Thats not actually any sort of evidence to supporrt the existance of ‘sars-cov2’.

THX-1143
THX-1143
Oct 4, 2020 11:20 AM
Reply to  Simon

I’m not concerned about the reality or lack thereof, of the alleged COVID-1984 virus. to claim that infectious diseases in general do not exist, is simply idiotic.

Simon
Simon
Oct 4, 2020 1:06 PM
Reply to  THX-1143

The terrain theory holds that it is the unhealthy terrain that is what matters. The germ theory is disproven by their own data e.g. most ‘covid’ deaths are amoung the elderly. For the germ theory to be true there would not be ‘comorbidites’ or ‘asymptomatic carriers’ or any of the other bs excuses to try and work around an obviously false theory. The terrain theory doesn’t actually need to prove that there is no ‘infection’. It only needs to prove that there is no ‘infection’ in healthy terrain and that thus maintaining a healthy terrain is what matters. Viruses are a particular case where there isn’t even any isolation of the supposed ‘infectious agent’. It is you who is broadening the topic to ‘infectious diseases’. Would you call sleep a symptom of “disease”?

http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/terrain/lost_history_of_medicine.htm

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 4, 2020 3:27 PM
Reply to  Simon

“The terrain theory holds that it is the unhealthy terrain that is what matters.”

Okay, you win. Because this is by far the most moronic new pseudo-sciency riff out of the festering crack in the YouTubiverse you consider “knowledge”. Or maybe you’re just doing your job. Btw: Have you heard the Fire Department’s new safety tips regarding the “terrain theory” of burning buildings? Oh, never mind.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 5, 2020 4:54 PM
Reply to  Simon

Why should anyone follow this scientific opinion rather than competing theories which contradict it?

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 5, 2020 4:51 PM
Reply to  Simon

Have you looked at the evidence published by the Wuhan team? They have collected, stored and analysed thousands of infectious pathogens over the years, including various novel coronaviruses with high infectivity and pandemic potential for humans. Here’s one of their online papers (duckduckgo):

Isolation and characterization of a bat SARS-like coronavirus that uses the ACE2 receptor

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 5, 2020 4:46 PM
Reply to  THX-1143

Hmmmm, wouldn’t scientists confirm that moon rocks do in fact come from the moon via the Apollo landings? Haven’t they already? In this case, there appear to be many shills for the conspiracy theory that something called the Apollo Moon landing was a hoax. I find that as unconvincing and as oddly-motivated as stories denying the reality of viruses.

Ort
Ort
Oct 3, 2020 8:37 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

I know sod-all about Science, but I know what TFIC means: tongue firmly in cheek!

dr death
dr death
Oct 5, 2020 3:27 PM
Reply to  Ort

TFIC = the fuckers in charge

Ort
Ort
Oct 5, 2020 9:45 PM
Reply to  dr death

Thanks. I guessed “the forces in charge”, so I wasn’t too far off.

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 3, 2020 5:26 PM

I dare you to read the whole page on Epstein-Barr Virus. Read it and come to your own conclusions. But don’t post from a place of ignorance and oft-repeated propaganda.

http://vaccinetruth.org/epstein-barr.html

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Oct 3, 2020 6:37 PM
Reply to  Researcher

Why did you verbally attack me..several weeks ago, for no reason that you explained at all.

Look in the mirror yourself.

I reckon you are sad and lonely, shy, but highly intelligent..

You think us old people have stolen your world.

You are probably very beautiful when you look in the mirror, but think you look like shit.

I used to be like you, but as I got older I got better and began to understand myself a little bit more…and I do like what I see.

If you can’t love yourself, then you are f’cked.

Tony

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 3, 2020 6:56 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Firstly.

I merely pointed out your disinformation and minimizing which I find to be harmful considering the seriousness of the situation we are all facing. Not just you, Tony, but all of us.

You attacked me verbally, so I held up a mirror to you and retaliated.

The majority of your content is simply to talk about yourself which appears highly narcissistic and overly self-involved.

Self indulgent stream of consciousness probably isn’t appropriate for the situation those of us face who are trying to protect our children and actually conduct research in the areas of disease, and therefore bear witness to the fraud of pharmaceutical corporations, science and academia.

Theobalt called you out on your hypocrisy and I laughed out loud, because he was spot on.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Oct 3, 2020 8:31 PM
Reply to  Researcher

“I merely pointed out your disinformation”

Can you please give me a link to the disinformation you claim I wrote, and your response to it, except to be personally abusive to me?

And then you did it again.

I never attacked you in any way, well a bit today, but I was gentle and subtle about it.

I reckon you are a girl. Apologies if I heve been referring you as a he.

If you are, that’s fine with me.

Cheer up. It’s not all bad.

Thanks,

Tony

Someone
Someone
Oct 3, 2020 8:59 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

“I reckon you’re a girl”

What’s that supposed to mean?

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 3, 2020 9:54 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

The day when you claimed the world bank link to Covid19 tests going back all the way to 2017 could be a clone.

Which you knew it wasn’t. But instead you tried to minimize the link, claim the virus was real, and other forms of minimization I’ve witnessed on every thread.

That was disinformation. Then your two other sidekicks piled on and did the same thing.

Highly suspicious behavior.

And then you abused your position of access to the back end of this site, by accessing my email address here, and then searched for my details online through that address.

You are an absolute disgrace.

Jean Wilson
Jean Wilson
Oct 4, 2020 12:59 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Tony, I’ve decided to ignore your comments from now on. You’re simply trying to distract us from the main topic.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 5, 2020 4:58 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

That could also be great advice for the many millions taught to be ashamed of their British identity, rather than proud of it.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 3, 2020 7:07 PM
Reply to  Researcher

“I dare you to read the whole page…”

Even on the playground, I found that tactic lame.

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 3, 2020 7:18 PM

You didn’t read it because you are not interested in any point of view that conflicts with your false beliefs.

But your beliefs aren’t your own if they can’t be challenged.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 3, 2020 7:38 PM
Reply to  Researcher

“You didn’t read it…”

I love how kids think they’re the only ones who’ve read the remixed/ rehashed/ recycled tropes, Gifs and memes they seem to think are new? It’s almost like a lyric from a Rolling Stones song…

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 3, 2020 7:59 PM

There’s no tropes. The first link details people’s personal experiences after vaccination.

The second is references to articles on EBV that are not rehashed.

Whereas all you’ve provided is fear porn and herpes propaganda with a challenge you’d hear from a 6th grader in a schoolyard.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 3, 2020 9:20 PM
Reply to  Researcher

The first link details people’s personal experiences after vaccination.”

Wow, that’s a whole new world for me to consider! You’ve shown me something entirely new! Must now re-think everything, seeing as I used to believe quite blindly (naively, even) in Big Pharma’s industrial junk-poisons, embraced unthinkingly by the average cow as an unquestionable Good! Thank you, super-clued-in Internet Stranger, for your esoteric knowledge!

“Whereas all you’ve provided is fear porn and herpes propaganda”

Well, if you ever have sex… oh, never mind.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 5, 2020 5:01 PM
Reply to  Researcher

Is it possible that his beliefs might be true and your point of view false?

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 5, 2020 7:02 PM

It’s possible but highly unlikely. Based on logic and reason, his conclusions don’t bear out.

Since there’s no SARS-COV2 virus has ever been isolated and purified, and the genome published emanates from China, the information we have for the existence of a virus is likely based on fraud. Statistics and modeling fraud. Test diagnosis fraud. Genome sequencing fraud.

If we include the data on the CDC website and other data from the CIA’s factbook, it appears that there’s no difference in overall mortality statistics from 2019 to 2020.

Substantial evidence for “no virus”. Likelihood of a virus, extremely small.

Looking back through the evidence and studies of the SARS virus, there are similar anomalies. So too, with Swine Flu. H1N1. AIDS. Polio.

There is a pandemics industry based on economic epidemiology.

There is a medical industry of vaccines based around the manufactured threat of contagious viruses.

It’s more likely that the contaminants such as those classified as “Herpes viruses“ are in vaccines, given that outbreaks of certain diseases coincide with vaccine programs going back to the late 1800’s and earlier.

Nick
Nick
Oct 9, 2020 8:21 AM
Reply to  Researcher

Hard to argue that something is up when cancer cases in the last 120 years have increased from affecting 1 in 200,to almost 1 in 2. There has to be some causality.

dtoc
dtoc
Oct 4, 2020 12:02 AM
Reply to  Researcher

I find your posts extremely interesting and in line with many of my own thoughts, ideas, opinions. A few years ago, I did quite a bit of research on lupus, EBV, Mono, and came across similar studies. But what I also found was, the link not only existed between all 3 of those viruses and vaccines, they were also highly prominent in certain types of cancers as well. IMO there is most definitely a connection and relationship between all 3 (vaccines-viruses-cancer)

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 5, 2020 7:23 PM
Reply to  dtoc

Yes. That is what I have found consistently.

When and where outbreaks of certain “transmissible” diseases occurred, vaccine programs were initiated.

There appears to be a link between vaccines, “viruses” and auto immune disorders, Cardio Vascular disease, diabetes, hypertension, Cancer, neurodegenerative disorders, asthma and allergies, etc.

These diseases stem from immune dysfunction and chronic inflammation from external and/or introduced sources, which induce epigenetic changes. I’m specifically interested in the treatment of these diseases with phytomedicinal formulations.

Carey
Carey
Oct 3, 2020 6:08 PM

I’m in full agreement, SA; a very good comment. See George Mc’s downthread, as well.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 3, 2020 7:08 PM
Reply to  Carey

Will do, Carey!

Simon
Simon
Oct 3, 2020 6:38 PM

Are you sure it’s not a canker sore?

I was introduced to this explanation for herpes at a GNM seminar, and I became so interested in the various manifestations of skin conflicts that I continued to explore the idea on my own. In comparing image search results on Google, I couldn’t help but notice that herpes sores look very similar to another very common condition that also involves the mucosa tissue of the mouth – canker sores. I also noticed that the symptoms of both conditions are virtually identical!Both are ulcers or lesions that occur either singly or in clusters on the oral mucosa

Both can begin with tingling, itching, or burning sensations

Both can present as either blisters or ulcerations

Both are painful.Both can be accompanied by fever, swelling, general bodily discomforts

“Low immunity” conditions can make people susceptible to both

Emotional stress can be a factor in both

There can be inflammation and swelling in both

Both take about 2-14 days to heal

Healing in both can be hastened with B-12 vitamins, iron, and folic acid

https://yourbodyisperfectintelligence.wordpress.com/2012/10/31/herpes-isnt-real/

THX-1143
THX-1143
Oct 3, 2020 8:25 PM
Reply to  Simon

I thought that everybody knew that canker sores are caused by the herpes virus. if they look the same, it’s because they are the same.

Simon
Simon
Oct 4, 2020 9:54 AM
Reply to  THX-1143

Well no even the allopaths don’t claim canker sores are caused by ‘herpes virus’ .

AlmondSan
AlmondSan
Oct 3, 2020 9:08 PM

OK, please explain what a virus is and how some are supposed to cause diseases.
Your argument is the same as that of the apologists of religion (baby, bathwater etc), and essentially legitimizes the lie.

John
John
Oct 3, 2020 10:59 PM

There’s no locked down dystopian police state for cold sores.

geo
geo
Oct 3, 2020 4:24 PM

Excellent expose of the essential sterility of information per se. Yes, it’s how you use things, and we’re using advanced digital communications unintelligently. Humanity the self-destroyer.

Annette
Annette
Oct 3, 2020 4:17 PM

Social distancing and in effect the lockdown go back to the class essay by a 14 year old in 2006.

https://www.aier.org/article/the-2006-origins-of-the-lockdown-idea/

John
John
Oct 3, 2020 4:13 PM

Would be useful if the hospitality industry contributed towards this brave woman’s legal fees

I don’t want to live in a country without freedom, where protest is banned

https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/funding-for-freedom/

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 5, 2020 8:34 PM
Reply to  John

Go on BLM protests and plod will kneel to you

Carey
Carey
Oct 3, 2020 4:09 PM

A long and strange article from Sinead Murphy, and I too did not read all of it, because it felt
like I was being slowly manipulated.

Hard pass, sorry.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Oct 3, 2020 5:38 PM
Reply to  Carey

It started off O.K. The theme was O.K., the images great, but would have been very much better if it had been less than a quarter the size. She just needs a decent editor who is ruthless, and brings out her best. That applies to a lot of articles here, but who am I to criticise? I can write loads of bollocks too, especially when drunk. Most people now can’t understand anything longer than a text message. They have the attention span of a goldfish. Is that a piranha in the other bowl?

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Oct 5, 2020 2:25 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Most people now can’t understand anything longer than a text message.

With all due respect, that is not a justification for shorter articles, but a reason for people to wean themselves off the drug that is Twitter.

THX-1143
THX-1143
Oct 3, 2020 8:30 PM
Reply to  Carey

the author is clearly suffering from a terminal case of academia. the classic symptoms are pretentiousness, verbosity, and the unnecessary complication and obfuscation of ideas that people free from the disease would find quite simple and obvious.

May Hem
May Hem
Oct 4, 2020 1:04 AM
Reply to  THX-1143

I find generally, that the more highly ‘educated’ a person is, the more they have lost touch with clarity, simplicity and their own feelings – and the more vulnerable they are to being hoodwinked. I doubt anyone who calls themselves an “expert”.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 5, 2020 8:46 PM
Reply to  May Hem

I agree firmly with the hoodwinked bit, but also argue that getting hoodwinked depends on how vulnerable you are to fear and fear-mongering. The professional classes are in fact more vulnerable to fear-mongering, being both its victims and its agents simultaneously. Fear is more contagious and defeats healthy scepticism more effectively among the highly-‘educated’ classes, as I explain here:

https://medium.com/@nickhunt_41682/how-not-to-become-a-climate-crisis-fear-monger-e6cf65168c21

Sillton willon
Sillton willon
Oct 3, 2020 3:45 PM

I think there is a D-Notice on the roll out of track and trace in the UK. there is a news blackout on the subject.

Sillton willon
Sillton willon
Oct 3, 2020 3:49 PM
Reply to  Sillton willon

Every venue in the UK is making ‘logging-in’, handing over you identity compulsory as soon as you go in, and not a mention in the press, and it is totally censored on youtube.. Nobody is talking about it. While the police are being told to not download the app on their phones because of ‘security issues’? I can tell you what that means, it means google can tell anyone in the UK to stay home, under house arrest, whenever they like.

Sillton willon
Sillton willon
Oct 3, 2020 3:44 PM
Cyndeejoan
Cyndeejoan
Oct 4, 2020 2:45 PM
Reply to  Sillton willon

Serco runs the US patent office. Serco used to be RCA GB.

Joonger
Joonger
Oct 3, 2020 3:32 PM

Every venue in the UK is making logging-in compuylsory aas soon as you go in, and not a mention in the press totally censored on youtube.. Nobody is talking about it. While the police are being told to not download the app on their phones because of security issues?

I think there is a D-Notice.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Oct 3, 2020 3:32 PM

A decent article from a limited perspective to be sure .” Beware the false intimacy of the Internet ” , Chomsky , made social media a tautology from day one of the Computer/Information Age , circa 1980.

TFS
TFS
Oct 3, 2020 3:12 PM

Off Topic:

Anyone seeing any odds being placed on Pelosi becoming President?

Trump -> Pence -> Pelosi

Strap in

Edwige
Edwige
Oct 3, 2020 3:57 PM
Reply to  TFS

Trump has gone from no symptoms to mild symptoms to hospitalisation on at least half a dozen different medications in about 36 hours.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Oct 3, 2020 4:38 PM
Reply to  Edwige

This particularity ploy worked out rather well for Boris Johnson a while back boosting his poll numbers and credibility. Trumps October surprize will consume media mavens for the rest of the month , as Mike Moore muses in an article he posted today , on the likelihood of this being just another ploy by Trumpenstien . Mr Moore believes in the covid pandemic , but also thinks Trump is the greater evil , cognitive dissonance in full view perhaps ? Mr Moore seems to be the only leftist , American style , to have the balls to make such a suggestion as of today?

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 5, 2020 9:20 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

On hearing of Trump’s infection, Michael Moore expressed his sympathy by saying his “thoughts and prayers are with covid19”. I can see how such a comment reveals his TDS, but not his balls, and certainly not that superior empathy and tolerance which leftists so often claim to possess. To defend their moral superiority, I’d say leftists should condemn Moore’s inhumanity and hate, not amplify it uncritically.

richard
richard
Oct 3, 2020 6:36 PM
Reply to  Edwige

If you can believe Trump and the MSM…

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 5, 2020 9:14 PM
Reply to  richard

Trump famously mocks and condemns the ‘fake news media’ as ‘the greatest enemy of the people’, or the ‘media wing’ of the US Democrat party. Your lumping Trump with the MSM as equally fake only makes sense if you can show us a better source of truth. Note that ‘truth’ and ‘leftist belief’ are not synonymous.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 5, 2020 9:06 PM
Reply to  Edwige

The pro-Trump news sites didn’t disinform me like that. Posters sick of the censorial, fake news MSM and unafraid of non-leftist news selection and opinion should try the Daily Caller, Zerohedge, Breitbart or Gateway Pundit for a very refreshing change. I first turned to these sites about 5 years ago, and after reading them in tandem with the BBC, CNN and Guardian for a few weeks, soon realised how many crucial news stories and critical perspective I had been deprived of for decades by the corporate media. I could also see what deeply bigoted and biased perspectives the MSM continues to feed us, such as the absurd pretence and smear that all critics of leftism can only be fascists or racists etc, never truth-tellers or critical thinkers.

JoeC
JoeC
Oct 3, 2020 5:26 PM
Reply to  TFS

It’s all bullshit. Watch it play out. The end game is more masks and more rules and regulations. Both left and right will come together on that while still staying apart. This is all a sick joke.

Judith
Judith
Oct 3, 2020 6:02 PM
Reply to  JoeC

Sadly, I think you are absolutely spot on, JoeC.

I think this episode of Covid Dystopia is jumping the shark.

Carey
Carey
Oct 3, 2020 6:12 PM
Reply to  Judith

Yea verily, Joe C and Judith: it’s all bullshit, and the very few + their minions are trolling us *so hard*, showing their utter contempt for the citizenry.

Carey
Carey
Oct 3, 2020 6:14 PM
Reply to  Carey

Adding: note that they “just can’t agree™” on any more stimulus for The People, despite bailing out the plutocrats over and over since March..
apparently they’re not worried about an uprising at all.

Mmm.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 3, 2020 7:10 PM
Reply to  Carey

It’s funny how nobody uses the term “soap opera” anymore…

Ort
Ort
Oct 3, 2020 8:29 PM

Stay tuned for the rollout of the replacement term: hand-sanitizer opera.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 5, 2020 11:02 PM
Reply to  JoeC

I’d say being a leftist or non-leftist is largely irrelevant to how vulnerable you are to fear and thus to manipulation by fear-mongers. But authoritarianism is another matter. Recent global history suggests that leftists resort to authoritarian systems and dictatorships much more frequently than do non-leftists, and with much greater longevity too. Vietnam, Cuba, China and North Korea all have around 7 decades of continuous communist rule, meaning no freedom of speech nor legally-guaranteed human rights. If we ignore various undemocratic Islamic societies, are there any dictatorships today not based on Marxist teachings?

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Oct 3, 2020 3:11 PM

https://www.sott.net/article/442291-Covid-rules-are-destroying-our-humanity

The video is downright scary, but you can put that down to one ignorant cop.

What is completely horrific is the volume of comments, almost all celebrating the tasering and arrest of a mother watching her son playing football, who was not wearing a mask, because she has asthma, in an almost completely empty stadium in the open air.

I know they are all brainwashed, but I am beginning to give up on them. Why should I care about the likely fate of such horrible people, when they quite obviously don’t care about anyone else. In fact they are like a baying mob, just waiting for the witch to burn, not realising that she will probably outlive them, as they queue up at the slaughter house.

Tony

“A recording of Kitts’ unfortunate encounter soon went viral on a subreddit called ‘Justice Served’. Reminiscent of an episode of Charlie Brooker’s dystopian sci-fi series Black Mirror, redditors plastered the site with emojis celebrating Kitts’ electrocution. Virtual awards, bought using real-world currency, were gifted to users who disparaged the woman’s mask-less antics. ‘Makes breathing inconvenient. For mouth breathers’, remarked one user. ‘If the taser didn’t work, should he have shot her?’, asked another. “

Simon
Simon
Oct 3, 2020 3:38 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Why would you believe comments that could be posted by the covid terrorist network are from the general public? Most likely they are from the covid terrorists given there interest in the matter and the years of obvious comment spam they have been doing. Anyone who has been paying attention to ‘vaccines’ will have seen they routinely and constantly “flood the space” and have been doing so for years. An early example was the sudden appearance of whole networks of blogs such as science blogs which you can trace a lot of writers too on other less obviously phama industry sites. This is a 2009 article so it has been going on for ages.

https://www.ageofautism.com/2009/09/scienceblogs-seed-medias-aggressive-weed.html

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Oct 3, 2020 4:16 PM
Reply to  Simon

Cos I have been on bloody Facebook, recently just for a 2 hour test and it is nearly as bad here in The UK. I am not arguing with Brainwashed Sheep who I have known for years, when they try to ridicule me, for writing basic facts. I don’t want to meet these people down the pub. In fact I don’t want to meet them at all. I probably won’t even turn up at their funerals. It’s all very well saying its just a dog, and its not the dog’s fault it has got rabies, but the fact of the matter is that the dog has got rabies, and I am keeping well clear. I don’t want to get infected with their paranoia, and there is no way I am going to wear a mask.

I can’t change what they think. I tried months ago. It had absolutely no effect then, and it will have no effect now. They are a lost cause. They will be wearing masks till the day they die. This will not end, until they take them off, and they won’t.

Sad But True.

Tony

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 3, 2020 5:13 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Two hours on FedsBook. And “they” are what’s wrong with the world.

Do you ever hold a mirror up to yourself?

Carey
Carey
Oct 3, 2020 6:17 PM
Reply to  Researcher

No joke. That commenter is, um, well, you know..

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Oct 3, 2020 6:24 PM
Reply to  Researcher

how about you?

Simon
Simon
Oct 3, 2020 7:18 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

there might be people on your facebook but they wouldn’t be representative of the public either. could be some people recruited by the same scientism cult that likes to act really condescending and has put training manuals on how to be a utter sociopath in book shops for these people to purchase. That doesn’t negate my point that there is actual primary level spam coming from the recruiters rather than recruitees in this terrorist network. It is odd you would go on a tangent and use your private facebook which nobody can confirm as evidence for why you can assert categorically a public article hasn’t got any comments from the covid terrorist network but is public sentiment. Why would you want to promote that perception?

Carey
Carey
Oct 3, 2020 6:16 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

> but you can put that down to one ignorant cop.

Yeah, bullsh!t you can..

goldhoarder
goldhoarder
Oct 3, 2020 3:10 PM

https://sports.yahoo.com/delight-worry-sweden-lifts-pandemic-171636452.html

Sports page of yahoo. Lol. This is the equivalent of burying a story in the back pages

See you
See you
Oct 3, 2020 3:04 PM

A feminist’s dream come true:
A scientific (real or imagined) support for not sharing a lift, among other places, with a man.

If you are fiercely independent, now you can now prove it with more actions.

Among the biggest winners, you find antidepressant manufacturers.

Voz 0db
Voz 0db
Oct 3, 2020 6:08 PM
Reply to  See you

Well… I’ve started to use my 2002 ICE vehicle since the start of OPERATION CUVID. Before I was using public transport!

Air pollution is more effective at killing than this alleged new RNA! With luck my pollution (emissions) might cause the early death of a few politicians, or millionaires or billionaires… and this is great!

See you
See you
Oct 3, 2020 11:46 PM
Reply to  See you
  • Feminists are proud of keeping their distance from men, with or without a pandemic
  • non- feminists know it, feel it and see it (have you worked in an educational organisation?)
  • surveillance cameras in busy places like shopping centres prove it

Why deny it? If you have counter evidence, please share your information.

Someone
Someone
Oct 4, 2020 4:28 AM
Reply to  See you

Yeah I’ve always dodged men in the street, I don’t need a fake pandemic for that. Your point?

See you
See you
Oct 4, 2020 4:52 AM
Reply to  Someone

I’m asking those who downvoted the original comment to explain why they disagree. It could show these are real people or troll-bots.

Geoff S
Geoff S
Oct 3, 2020 2:29 PM

tl;dr – can we do this differently, please?

After 9/11, as the truth movement began to come to life, it rapidly hit a brick wall, and I see the same happening here.

Once a citizen opened their eyes to the fact that all was not how it was presented, it was very easy to see that it wasn’t just a handful of hijackers and a couple of planes that brought down the towers. The next logical step is to identify who called the shots. There are some researchers who pursued that very well but the vast majority of truthers (and I do mean vast) spent most of any time that they engaged with the 9/11 topic at all, simply fighting a defensive action against the sceptics who invariably turned up in small numbers to any discussion, but very evenly spread and highly disruptive, or alternatively infighting over whether it was controlled demolition or holograms or space lasers. (again, with a small number of people advancing the more exotic theories but still highly disruptive)
Now, 20 years have gone by and the culprits are older and greyer and richer and nothing approaching justice has even gotten close.

The same happens now on covid19. Endless articles doing nothing but establishing that yes, it is a scam. WE KNOW. I’m sorry but yet another article bemoaning that bad stuff is happening won’t change anything. Bait placed below the line about how viruses don’t exist, trying to distract, just like space lasers superheating the towers. It’s all just noise. We didn’t co-ordinate effectively enough around 9/11. I know some tried and deserve much praise but as a whole, we did not. We don’t have the luxury of time to sit and belly-ache about this.It’s happening and its accelerating and it is setting roots in place which will be very very hard to resist very very soon.

To this end, I implore either off-guardian, or someone with the savvy to do so, to create a space to discuss how to effectively organise and what we can do to resist. To have it permanently signposted from here and elsewhere. To be open to all and inclusive of all new ideas, yet to have a zero-tolerance approach to purely distractive posts (off-topic or discussed-and-discarded suggestions) Any removed posts would not need to be deleted, simply moved to a separate general purpose pit for people to dive into if they are so inclined, but not distracting the main purpose. (You could call them socially distanced posts)

I just want to find a more productive channeling of our (my?) anger than the dissipated nature of these below the line steam valves below each fleeting article.

None of this would need to deflect at all from the current setup. just a bolt on which could be a focal point to cultivate something meaningful.

Oh, and if there is such a space already somewhere, can we at least get some flashing neon sign posts for it?

Shawn Pitcher
Shawn Pitcher
Oct 3, 2020 2:45 PM
Reply to  Geoff S

ae911truth.org

Someone
Someone
Oct 3, 2020 3:16 PM
Reply to  Geoff S

There are Telegram chat groups where people share more concrete stuff. Maybe there’s one in your area.

I totally agree with your sentiment, btw – by now I’m mostly just skipping the articles and coming directly to the comments.

Geoff S
Geoff S
Oct 3, 2020 3:45 PM
Reply to  Someone

That’s odd, the text of your message doesn’t match up with the one that hit my inbox.

Thanks for the suggestion, I’ve never used telegram and a cursory inspection didn’t throw up any promising leads but I will pursue a more thorough search later today. Sadly, Southend is the worst of all worlds in being a blue collar and conservative leaning area with some incredible pockets of wealth among a generally deprived area not uncommon to other declined seaside towns. Still, I will see what I can uncover.

I’d still like to see a more centralised repository of real and useful information gleaned from all corners.

Voz 0db
Voz 0db
Oct 3, 2020 6:03 PM
Reply to  Geoff S

The Current Civilization was cleverly engineered and built over the last centuries (from +- 1750 forward), and it’s now reaching the top efficiency.

There is very little* one can do under this Current Main System that will cause a CHANGE in it. This is just as real as it gets.

comment image

After observing it, if you can find out something that will cause a CHANGE in it, do let me(us) know!

*For me there is nothing, unless wait that a powerful catastrophic event happens so that the few can start the clean-up!!!

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 3, 2020 7:24 PM
Reply to  Voz 0db

Fairly accurate graphic but the proportions are off. The part labeled “Modern Slaves/ Consumers” should be represented by the, by far, largest object in the graphic… with the Control Apparatus represented by an extremely dense, dark bump or pimple, or even a sinister cap, riding on its very top. The sinister little cap only has as much power as we grant it. Until the Sci Fi future of one Caligula with access to a single button capable of vaporizing all of us, our servitude is a self-inflicted illusion.

Geoff S
Geoff S
Oct 3, 2020 7:54 PM

Reminded me of this video which makes a good effort to represent the disparity in size between ‘them and us’

The Tiny Dot

Voz 0db
Voz 0db
Oct 3, 2020 9:44 PM
Reply to  Geoff S

I also have a good one for that!

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The Tiny Dot on the right pyramid!

Voz 0db
Voz 0db
Oct 3, 2020 9:50 PM
Reply to  Geoff S

The only misconception on that vid is that the circle representing the “IRS” is also composed of modern moron slaves from the Herd of the right!

Like I say, slaves do enjoy screwing each other.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 6, 2020 12:15 AM
Reply to  Voz 0db

You divide our societies into your traditional political categories for reasons unclear to me. Your labels preclude popular unity against the elites. So is your enemy really all those with non-leftist opinions (most of humanity, which you insult as the ‘herd of the right’), or is it the tiny, uber-rich globalist elite who control and corrupt our democracies against us? Globalist beasts of no nation know how divide and rule serves their cause. Do you?

Voz 0db
Voz 0db
Oct 6, 2020 11:18 PM

I don’t divide anything. That’s just the representation of reality. You don’t like it?

Draw one and show it!

Then you keep talking about “our democracies”! That’s your main blindness, we do not have a democracy. “Democracy” is just another wonderful tool that the SRF & Billionaires control.

AS for the “corruption”… One of the MAIN functions of the MONETARY SYSTEM is corruption. Without this function it would be impossible to achieve such high levels of control.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 6, 2020 12:05 AM
Reply to  Voz 0db

Why ignore non-western systems in which life is infinitely worse for powerless plebs, where no human rights are ever guaranteed and freedom for forums like this a distant dream? Shouldn’t seekers of justice focus first on those worse cases, those slave nations controlled by totalitarian communists or Islamists?

Voz 0db
Voz 0db
Oct 6, 2020 11:19 PM

I guess you don’t like what the scheme shows you… Not my fault!

Embrace reality or just keep with the current delusion.

Howard
Howard
Oct 3, 2020 3:32 PM
Reply to  Geoff S

When we lament that something or another “doesn’t change anything,” I believe we miss a valuable point; namely, that every activity changes everything that will ever happen from that point on, unto infinity.

Just because we read this article, and these comments, changes the entire scope of the universe. A star a billion years from now may explode one nano-second sooner for our action.

So if none of this will ever change the minds of those who wish to believe themselves in mortal peril if they remove their masks, perhaps that’s of no consequence. The very act of their refusal to believe what’s right in front of them will itself change everything that will ever happen.

If they care more for their “friends” on social media than for someone six feet away, it doesn’t matter.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Oct 3, 2020 3:42 PM
Reply to  Geoff S

Hello Geoff S: I totally agree. The focus on covid hysteria has completely disrupted any meaningful discussions toward remedy. A totalitarian technocratic State has been established, whilst people drink the Left – Right Kool-aid. The faceless media is a poignant reflection of societies reduced to wearing masks…

Nothing will change for the better until oligarchic interests controlling Wall Street and the Chicago Mercantile are defunded, and the Federal Reserve System is dismantled. International banking systems (such as the IMF) are intrinsically fascist, and only serve to destroy independent banking and the potentials of local finance…

There will be no “equal” justice as long as individuals such as Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, and Bill Gates are allowed to dictate social policy through political bribery. PAC associations, corporate owned media, and political influence are purchased by organizations such as the Rockefeller Foundation, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Carnegie Mellon, and many other capitalist interests. These social mechanisms need to be defined as subversive to social order. They need to outlawed, and their operatives imprisoned…

Our legal systems are being held hostage by American B.A.R. association interests and judicial criteria… The corruption of civil justice via Statute law, and the establishment of the “Supreme” Court system are dictatorial and motivated by corporate agenda…
Below is an avenue which few civilians are apprised. >

Jerry Day – The Power of Paper – YouTube
Published on Mar 31, 2010

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 6, 2020 12:30 AM

I’m unclear if you want to outlaw all mega-rich capitalists and their foundations, or just those who illegally seek control over our elected representatives, so stealing our political power and democratic right to choose leaders with agendas we believe are in the national or collective interest. I oppose the first option for supporting authoritarianism, and strongly support the second for preventing authoritarianism.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Oct 6, 2020 2:15 AM

A complete ban on all forms of corporate syndication would accomplish plenty. Corporate executives who collect more income per hour than most persons can gather in a decade, need to be exiled to some other planet.

The world’s financial and legal systems have been corrupted by corporate/capitalist pigs for the last four centuries. Any notion of a functional democracy is meaningless under the present paradigm.

Simon
Simon
Oct 3, 2020 4:02 PM
Reply to  Geoff S

If you want to prove there is a virus go right ahead. No one actually has so if your claiming there is “covid-19” despite the lack of any evidence you are obviously onboard with the covid terrorist network and posting to say how dare anyone challenge existance of the virus. Disinfo technique called acting indignant. It’s not a distraction it’s the foundation of the whole plot and your asserting there is a solid foundation without the slightest shred of evidence.

kevin
kevin
Oct 3, 2020 4:05 PM
Reply to  Geoff S

While I agree with your comment in general, and specifically on 9/11 (I was one of those most concerned with exposing the perpetrators and wrote about it), any missteps by the 9/11 truth movement is not the main reason why we didn’t achieve justice. The fact is the vast majority of people didn’t want to question the event and chose the path of wilful ignorance. There is no solution for waking those who prefer to sleep.

We’re witnessing the same deliberate mass blindness and apathy now with COVID. That is our biggest problem by far and there is no getting avoiding it. A few thousand committed citizens is not enough to succeed when you’re facing an enemy with unlimited resources and complete control of the government, media and other social institutions. We need people to care. If they cared they would make the effort to question and learn. How do you make people care when they seem perfectly content with enslaving themselves to a totalitarian order?

Geoff S
Geoff S
Oct 3, 2020 4:59 PM
Reply to  kevin

Yes, the numbers are not on our side. But while we exist in echo chambers like this, they never will be, at least not until it’s too late. The enemy has far better resources and far greater reach and with all the gatekeepers of google, facebook et al, can keep our shouts muffled.

Which is why I don’t advocate for off-guardian to change tack or to stop publishing their ‘wake-up’ articles. People will find their way here slowly and may benefit from it. All I am asking for is a solid ‘second ring’ inside this where the distractions are removed and possibly more productive actions may be identified and co-ordinated including methods to reach out quickly to find more people. Those who sense something isn’t right but are browbeaten into silence by the ‘factcheckers’ and the MSM and are scared of the word ‘conspiracy’ – If we could find ways to reach them and bring them past the outer ring of disinfo and noise. But as it currently stands, they dip their toes in the water and immediately see idiots like ‘simon’ in this comment thread and they run back to the BBC.

Why can’t we open up such a space?

Someone
Someone
Oct 3, 2020 5:21 PM
Reply to  Geoff S

Start one! And let us know so we can join.

Geoff S
Geoff S
Oct 3, 2020 6:00 PM
Reply to  Someone

If nobody with any technical ability wants to and comes forward in the next day or two, then I will do my very level best to make something that works. I’d rather work alongside someone with a little more technical knowledge than myself though. I’ll happily enter into correspondence with anyone who could help

It will still need some permanent signposting from sites such as this one, as google isn’t really up to the task.

THX-1143
THX-1143
Oct 3, 2020 8:43 PM
Reply to  Geoff S

I would be interested in assisting such an effort, and am far from technically ignorant.

Geoff S
Geoff S
Oct 4, 2020 2:08 AM
Reply to  THX-1143

well i dunno if broadcasting email addresses is censored on here but if not, theres a temp email address i can be reached at anytime in the next week – [email protected] after which it will self destruct

nondimenticare
nondimenticare
Oct 3, 2020 6:09 PM
Reply to  Geoff S

Thanks for adding nuance to your original comment. You’ve stated exactly what my reply was going to be.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 6, 2020 1:14 AM
Reply to  kevin

I see how the enemy gains control over our elected representatives and sets their unwanted agenda, but not how the alleged blindness and apathy of the enslaved masses causes this situation. Why attack fellow slaves and rather than the villains who enslave them? You are a victim too, right? I also can’t understand what you suggest we do should the sleeping, uncaring masses ever awake and join collective action. Would it be democratic or violent in nature?

messenger charles
messenger charles
Oct 3, 2020 4:47 PM
Reply to  Geoff S

“The American people have been easily ruled through our propaganda that the pen is mightier than the sword. We virtually get away with murder and all the goy do is to talk about it, which is ineffective since we, the masters of propaganda, always publish a contradicting account.

If the Aryan would review history and apply those lessons of the past, then the pen would be thrown down in disgust and the sword wielded in the heat of passion.

A recurrence to history would edify our minds and show us the European countries solved their Jewish problem only by use of force. Thus far we have escaped the sword when the only reprisal is some periodical of no repute or some pamphlet of limited circulation. Their pen is no match for ours, but our constant fear is that they may open their eyes and learn that no change was ever brought about with the pen.

History has been written in blood not with ink. No letter, editorial or book has ever rallied the people or stopped tyranny. We understand this principle and are continually propagandising people to write letters to the President, to Congress and to their local media, we are safe to continually exploit, intimidate and disenfranchise the white American as along as they are preoccupied with the illusion of educating the masses through printed material. Woe be unto us if they ever see the futility of it, lay down the pen and employ the sword.”

— Harold Wallace Rosenthal, The Herald – Rosenthal Interview, 1976 by Charles A Weisman, published June 1992.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 6, 2020 1:20 AM

Dictators famously shun pens in favour of the most horrendous violence as the means to force entire nations to obey their every whim. But rarely if ever in the English-speaking world, which instead developed democracy, free speech, and human rights and freedoms.

messenger charles
messenger charles
Oct 6, 2020 5:25 PM

Can you give me an example of Herr Hitler’s ‘horrendous violence’ against his own people. Are you confusing Hitler with Lenin and Stalin? Democracy is a myth – a con trick. All politicians in the west are pre-selected, not elected.

MaryLS
MaryLS
Oct 3, 2020 5:10 PM
Reply to  Geoff S

Maybe I am overly pessimistic, but I don’t think we can do anything apart from protesting and making people aware. The powers behind the scam are well organized, have been planning for years and they have an infinite pot of money. Also, in my experience, people don’t want to know. It is comforting to think that governments are looking after your interests. We are asking them to recognize that the people in government are manipulative, self serving and corrupt and that society is truly in danger. Who wants to know that? It is far easier to dismiss the challengers.

dada
dada
Oct 3, 2020 5:58 PM
Reply to  MaryLS

We have to build our own mask free and paranoia free communitys. If posible far away from this rotten civilization.

Someone
Someone
Oct 3, 2020 7:52 PM
Reply to  dada

I don’t disagree, but that’s not enough. If any alternative community becomes strong enough to actually pose any kind of threat to the status quo, the ruling class will crack down on it. They do it all the time. Building enclaves is all well and good, but resistance has to be made in our own communities if it is not meant to be just escapism.

May Hem
May Hem
Oct 4, 2020 1:18 AM
Reply to  Someone

The parasite class will try to divide our communities into the “injected” and the “uninjected” and continue to create fear and conflict. So we may find our communities separating into groups, where former friends become enemies. I sincerely hope this will not happen.

Someone
Someone
Oct 4, 2020 4:13 AM
Reply to  May Hem

Yeah good point. First they might try it with propaganda/controlled opposition/infiltration, then when that doesn’t work anymore, with physical force.

That’s how abusers usually do. First mindfuckery, THEN force.

kevin king
kevin king
Oct 3, 2020 5:24 PM
Reply to  Geoff S

You are completely misguided. One reason the SARS-Cov-2 scam has succeeded is because people like you believe in Germ theory. As long as you do, there will be no respite from this. Even if the covaids wer exposed with time, they would return with the big one – The return of the Spanish Flu on steroids. This is why Germ theory has to be exposed. It’s why Stefan Lanka is suing Christian Drosten. It’s why Stefan Lanka put out a prize for ANYONE to present one scientific paper from the RKI proving the existence of the measles. No one claimed it.
Truth is truth and finding that truth involves dissecting Germ theory. I am willing to be proven wrong, but unfortunately the other side is not. You cannot hope to succeed if you declare the truth irrelevant.

kevin king
kevin king
Oct 3, 2020 5:25 PM
Reply to  kevin king

existence of the measles virus I should say. The measles does exist of course.

THX-1143
THX-1143
Oct 3, 2020 8:50 PM
Reply to  kevin king

you could do much to advance your argument, by proposing alternate explanations of diseases that you admit exist.

viable explanations would of course have to account for phenomena such as transmission of the disease from one person to another, through close contact.

but once you do that, you’ve essentially agreed that the causative agents are microscopic particles of some sort, you just don’t like the terms “virus”, “bacteria”, or “germ”. so what’s the point, really.

AlmondSan
AlmondSan
Oct 3, 2020 11:08 PM
Reply to  THX-1143

There is no need to look for an external causative agent. That’s paranoia. We exist in a sea of microbes. The sane way to health is to focus on being healthy whiuch means haveing a healthy iummune system. Old people will die, and sometimes young people get ill and die. That’s the deal with life.

Bacteria are not viruses, they are actual living organisms and some of them can be parasitic. What’s the point? The point is to understand the biology and to understand how very limited it is- our knowlegde of the human body in modern culture is laughably superificial and our concept ofdisease extremely misguided- the scamdemic is the ultimate proof of this and is the logical conclusion of germ theory. If pathogenic viruses exist and can mutate to bypass the human immune system, the pandemic is a mathematical inevitability and this is why so many othwersise intelligent people are so convinced- because they beleive that the dogma of viruses is correct. To think otherwise would be to realise that the doctors have been lying all along, and that is too much evil for people to deal with.

Nobody is saying there is nothing there- peopel are saying it’s not what medical scientism tells us it is.

Binra
Binra
Oct 4, 2020 12:03 AM
Reply to  THX-1143

Toxicity and malnutrition. On all levels of all functional communication and exchange.

While the term ‘immune system’ is common currency, there are many systems operating together in ways that are ‘poorly understood’ (sic).

But the idea of toxifying and undermining life support is not hard to understand.

That the body has ways to counter, workaround, encapsulate or expel toxic matter – which includes normal regenerative processes – is its adaptive and adapted intelligence, not least through the underlying matrix of the microbiome – without which – no immune system, nor digestion nor cognitive function.

The original meaning of virus was ‘poison’. The old idea of a physician would seek to drive out a poison with another poison. the new idea assigns a contagion or broken genes and a body that is weak and susceptible and needing boosting as favourite frameworks for intervening to block, suppress or manage symptoms using toxic chemicals for the most part, such as to prevent the body from effecting its own self-healing.

Pathogenesis or psychopathy projected onto nature is a human model developed as a fear-split mind seeking to predict and control life as a separate locked down and distanced agent unto itself.

This myth is in play. I am talking to those who think they are a thing in and of itself. This is inherently predatory and defensive – no matter how far back the survival impulse is pushed by the development of social and individual consciousness, and is …

Continued on:

https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2020/10/toxicity-and-malnutrition-as.html

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Oct 5, 2020 11:18 PM
Reply to  Binra

 suppress or manage symptoms using toxic chemicals for the most part

This is one reason why I am not enthusiastic about the use of hydroxychloroquine, because it is potentially toxic, and definitely toxic in very large doses.

One study into the toxicity of HCQ, and its more toxic relation, chloroquine:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK537086/

Especially when there are non-toxic alternatives.

See also:
https://quinism.org/press-releases/dangers-of-antimalarial-quinolines-against-covid-19/

Binra
Binra
Oct 5, 2020 11:36 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Yes, I agree. That HCQ protocol ‘works’ is in a context or terrain that – as I understand it – is zinc deficient to a specific inflammatory reaction that – for example – would likely not have arisen if adequate vit D levels were present – and T cells mobilised – as on example among many.

I would still prefer the low does HCQ protocol to any other pharma – but as I have other choices I leave them both unchosen.

It is also true that toxic exposures and toxic food along with toxic thinking are the ‘normal’ that need to change in my view. But the other side that doesn’t get front page is the miracle of the body in its capacity to maintain the conditions for life under all kinds of change and challenge – especially as aligned in the wholeness and integrity of our core nature – in and from which we release self-destructive baggage.

In may ways the protection racket is of a masking over a sense of separateness set in control as a result of disconnection and operating as defence against exposure to its ‘original fear’.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Oct 5, 2020 11:01 PM
Reply to  THX-1143

I invite you and anyone interested to listen to two orthodox-trained M.D.s discussing terrain theory:

Andrew Kaufman and Thomas Cowan. Trained in orthodox medicine, but they “saw the light”, and the reason they saw the light was that their experience didn’t tally with what they had been taught at medical school.

(The best bits are in the 2nd half or so I’d say, but you really need to listen to it all to get the flavour and context).

Also, see: https://rulingclassobserver.com/covid-crime-the-science/

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viable explanations would of course have to account for phenomena such as transmission of the disease from one person to another, through close contact.

You (or someone) would have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that it was indeed close contact that had “transmitted” the disease. Other explanations are possible, e.g. they might just happen to share the same faulty diet, or bad housing, or be subject to the same pollution, for example.

but once you do that, you’ve essentially agreed that the causative agents are microscopic particles of some sort, you just don’t like the terms “virus”, “bacteria”, or “germ”. so what’s the point, really.

No we haven’t, or at least I haven’t. See above.

For what it’s worth, I have no problem accepting that bacteria exist, since we can see them relatively easily. But whether some of them are pathogenic is another question altogether, and clearly they are not all pathogenic, since even orthodox medicine accepts that there are many “beneficial” bacteria present in the human body at all times. This is discussed in the Cowan/Kaufman conversation, linked above. Viruses/virii are another story altogether. “germ” of course, is too informal a word to be used seriously. According to wikipedia, it’s an informal name for a pathogen. I accept that the idea of a pathogen exists as a concept, but I don’t accept it in the sense that you are trying to insist upon in your phrase that I have quoted above.

Finally, I’d also recommend anyone to read “Virus Mania”, by Torsten Engelbrecht and Claus Köhnlein. Originally published as “Virus Wahn” in German, in 2007 (obviously pre-Covid-19). It’s been updated for Covid-19, but so far, only in German, so far as I know.

Binra
Binra
Oct 5, 2020 11:43 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

I thought Andrew was particularly well focused in that interview.
He always holds a clear sense of purpose.
Tom has a different approach to arrive at similar perspective.
It is a rich encounter.

I also rate the book.

The point I would make rather than just agreeing is that this is a real opportunity for re-education and re-integration in Life – regardless and yet using what is ‘going on’ within a world of lies given priority over truth.

dada
dada
Oct 3, 2020 6:00 PM
Reply to  kevin king

People do everything for security. Its number 2 on Mavlow’s pyramid. Doesn’t even matter what they scare the people with. it always works. Last time it was terrorism. . Before that communism.

AlmondSan
AlmondSan
Oct 3, 2020 11:05 PM
Reply to  kevin king

Fully agreed! The only way to a better world is for the truth to come out and the truth is medical science does not know jack about health or disease. It is a parasitic force which creates problems so as to sell solutions, while suppressing natural medicines and traditional healing practices.

The “virus” is their convenient bogey man to “explain” conditions such as the flu and measles that they do not understand. They are control freaks who prey on people’s lives.. The flu and other common conditions go away on their own after a few days, but doctors exploit people’ s insecurity about their kids’ wellbeing and step in to sell the vaccines and antibiotics.

Scientific concepts of genetics , DNA and RNA are very primitive- the idea that viruses are somehow “alive ” and “replicate” has been sold to an ignorant public and is a deliberate lie. In fact they don’t know what these things are about, they can see that viruses are involved in the transfer of genetic material across species but are too blinkered to explore the implications of this… because there is no money in that. The money is in selling the products!

They have been lying to the world for over 100 years while injecting babies with poisons. It’s frankenstein science based on a delusional, fearful concept of health and ultimately a denial of mortality.

“War on death and disease” is their motto, and BoJo anounced back in the summer (while celebrating their multi-billion dollar deal with Bill Gates that we payed for) that they will indeed Triumph Over Disease!

The goal of transhumanism is immortality and vaccines are their first pathetic attempt at realising their insanely vein fantasy. I wonder precisely what part of themselves they would like to have live forever, and how they plan to preserve their faux sanity from disintegrating .

Judith
Judith
Oct 3, 2020 6:20 PM
Reply to  Geoff S

I can’t give specific links but I am heartened by the law suit against the Governor of Ohio filed last week on behalf of Ohio Stands UP. Claiming all of the covid restrictions are unconstitutional. There is a really informative interview of the Lawyer, Tom Renz, on the Solari Report website, with Jon Rappaport.

Also, Peggy Hall in Callifornia is gearing up with her group The Healthy American. She had a short video the other day outside the courthouse where she spoke. Her group is aligning with Tom Renz and the Ohio group to bring charges against the California Governor claiming that the covid restrictions are all unconstitutional.

Pam Popper in Ohio started a group Make Americans Free Again. She has a daily report on her website. She is part of the lawsuit in Ohio.

Yesterday I watched a great 4 hour zoom conference,LINE IN THE SAND< produced by Del Bigree and New Earth, briotv, with several great speakers and activists. Everyone spoke for 3 – 5 minutes. People from Australia, US, Africa, Great Britain, Ireland, It was very encouraging. Many of these people have been voices in the wilderness for years. Del Bigtree, Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, Dr. Jenkins, Dolores Cahill, Pam Popper, G. Edward Griffin, Dr. Butthar, Mikki Wallace (Plandemic),and others, including Robert Kennedy Jr.

Personally, I am going to contact Imani Mamulation, one of the organizers of Line in the Sand, who is located in my region, to find out how I can become involved in future events.

So people are starting to move into action. Would it be nice if there were more prominent American doctors and lawyers who would speak up? Sure, but I am not going to waste time worrying about it. A few people with passion make a difference.

John
John
Oct 3, 2020 7:32 PM
Reply to  Judith

Just needs a few police and military to side with the public against lockdown. Would take bravery though. They have no idea their employers are the World Economic Forum, Pharma and Bill Gates.

Judith
Judith
Oct 4, 2020 2:04 AM
Reply to  John

Catherine Austin Fitts always emphasizes making friends with your local Sheriff.

Binra
Binra
Oct 5, 2020 11:46 PM
Reply to  Judith

If we act like a virus/terrorist we attract a different reaction. regardless we feel outraged or angry (which comes up in the experience of betrayal and abandonment – or rejection, deprivation and denial.

Cyd
Cyd
Oct 4, 2020 12:31 AM
Reply to  Judith

Thank you for your resource rich and very hopeful post.

Grace Johns
Grace Johns
Oct 3, 2020 11:13 PM
Reply to  Geoff S

Agreed. Im mostly not tuning in to ‘reports’ any longer because Im just shouting “we know” at my laptop. A Slack group could be good – worldwide, Not local as someone said about Telegram, because one of he good things about here is hearing from people in Oz etc and getting some idea of what’s really going on for real people.

gorden
gorden
Oct 3, 2020 2:11 PM

the fruit
does not fall
far from the tree

but it should

for the takeover
for the order
for the kinder
and granny

the apple once bruised
spreads canker and disease

apple trees do not have the luxury of
wet wipes and hand sanitizers

the goy are walking vector
super spreader

home ways is best ways
forever

or until ambulance or military police officers come calling
for your invitation
to a beheading

pasteur germ theory and nhs must be protected at all costs
pharma corp take over with serco,g4s.police army support.

beheadings stop the corona crown in it’s tracks
it is for the best
shirley you sea that
my life already

Hank
Hank
Oct 3, 2020 2:03 PM

The real reason they want social distancing is a leftist belief that humans are terrible creatures that need to be controlled by reducing the population.

Brought to you by climate alarmists and extinction rebellion supporters..

S Cooper
S Cooper
Oct 3, 2020 2:20 PM
Reply to  Hank

 “leftist belief”

There it goes again, equating sides of the body with political infirmities and maladies. The disease is CORPORATE FASCISM, the antidote/cure is SOCIALISM in the spirit of Eugene Victor Debs.

https://livebyquotes.com/2014/while-there-is-a-lower-class-i-am-in-it-while-there-is-a-criminal-element-i-am-of-it-and-while-there-is-a-soul-in-prison-i-am-not-free-eugene-v-debs/
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Roberto
Roberto
Oct 3, 2020 3:57 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

Sadly, this is the sort of twaddle that still buys votes. Envy, and the claim that someone who provides employment ‘does absolutely nothing … useful’. Do people like this actually think that the money goes in a big hole in the ground, unavailable to the economic environment except the titular owner? There are those who create wealth, those who physically work following methods and instructions developed to guide them in their tasks, and those who destroy wealth. i.e. politicians who steal enterprises and ‘manage’ them with great overhead and inefficiency.
Although before the time of this politician and many others, one is reminded of the Disney cartoons portraying Scrooge, in his secret vault, romping in piles of money, unused, and generating no return which could be obtained by investing in productive assets and generating employment for those who otherwise would be begging for a living or maybe just starving. Even the politics of childrens’ cartoons portray this belief of what wealth is.
Now, to the point of the article, vertical and horizontal social interaction. I consider this philosophically as synthetic and analytic, or objective and subjective universalism, the oldest realisation of such structures. The object of socialist theory is that the individual does not matter; only the collective matters, and is beholden to the State. Individualism is the enemy of the State, and today, [anti]social media. It is viewed as an achievement to have the most ‘friends’ in these venues, presumably without ever meeting any of them. In certain socially engineered societies, which seemingly are being realised in formerly ‘free’ societies, other individuals are viewed as enemies who will infect you, metaphorically or otherwise, and for the good of the collective we must isolate ourselves and look to the State for guidance and protection, reassured by inane slogans posted everywhere such as ‘staying apart brings us together’; those who do not conform are to be reported to the authorities.
The astonishing thing is that these objectives have been achieved in a few months with the able assistance of the MSM, who mainly speak with One Voice, with occasional tactical questioning in order to validate their pose of objective reporting. Also astonishing is that the resisters to this enterprise are viewed as deranged enemies who harm the collective. And the final absurdity is that this has been achieved by an ostensibly ‘conservative’ government, in direct contradiction to what conservatism or classic liberalism have represented.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Oct 3, 2020 11:19 PM
Reply to  Roberto

“Wealth”

The honest measure of a society (and a civilization) is the manner and the general condition in which ALL its members live, as well as the respect and dignity it shows to each. Terms such as equality, accountability, justice, liberty, democracy, enlightenment and peace are the foundations of said society.

Corporate Fascist Oligarch Mobster Psychopaths view resources, as well as humanity, as things to be exploited and commodified. Their “values” are not human values but those of the exploiter, the enslaver, the parasite and the criminal. If humanity is to continue it must be rid of such pernicious and odious things.

Roberto
Roberto
Oct 4, 2020 5:30 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

Equality does not and can not exist, but equal opportunity is a must.
The rest of the list is fine.
The last paragraph is textbook Bolshevik nonsense in direct contradiction to most of the previous paragraph, but as history informs us, collectivist government is the best practitioner of such methods.

messenger charles
messenger charles
Oct 3, 2020 4:50 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

Bullcrap!

“Democracy is indispensable to Socialism.” – V. I. Lenin

“Socialism leads to Communism.” – Karl Marx

“The establishment of a central bank is 90% of communising a nation.” – V. I. Lenin

Roberto
Roberto
Oct 4, 2020 5:59 PM

There was a Revolution in Russia, and a short period of democracy, but it was hijacked by the coup in 1917. They are two separate events.
And the establishment of a central bank is centralism at its worst.
As Eliju Root stated during the debates leading up to the creation of the Fed in 1913: ‘You will have created an engine of inflation’.
The first boom and bust came just 7 years later, the next just 7 years after that, and the resultant wholesale indebtedness has been the final result, impossible to be resolved, with the dollar now debased 98% from when they started, and the mandate of the Fed expanded to now include social justice, financing wars, attempting to ‘manage’ the unemployment rate, financing exponential deficits, doling out welfare, and the bailing out of failed businesses and speculators, whereas they were to be essentially just a clearing house for payments.
These things do take a while, but they are inevitable, and occur because of the ancient dream of rulers: to create money from nothing.

messenger charles
messenger charles
Oct 4, 2020 8:43 PM
Reply to  Roberto

I prefer to call it a subversive alien invasion of Russia by the Wall Street financed unmentionables.

There’s nothing wrong with creating money, as long as it’s backed by the wealth and sweat equity of the nation creating the money. This should be done by the nation’s Treasury and circulated without interest, thereby removing banks from the equation. Pretty much what the WW1 veteran and Austrian artist did in post Weimar Germany.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Oct 3, 2020 2:26 PM
Reply to  Hank

Hank: I fail to understand how your “beliefs” could lead toward anything resembling mutual respect or social cohesion…

Someone
Someone
Oct 3, 2020 3:19 PM
Reply to  Hank

Lol, communists are staunchly opposed to any concept of “population control” because it means less people to make a revolution. But whatever you want to tell yourself…

AlmondSan
AlmondSan
Oct 3, 2020 11:28 PM
Reply to  Someone

Americans have been conditioned by their capitalist masters over generations to believe that socialism=Stalin/Hitler

Someone
Someone
Oct 4, 2020 4:10 AM
Reply to  AlmondSan

Stalin is socialism lol

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Oct 3, 2020 3:52 PM
Reply to  Hank

With respect, perhaps you should try broadening your outlook more. This has got nothing to do with ‘leftists’ or socialists’or anything to the left of Genghis Khan. Its fascism.
And the people behind this scamdemic are fascists, with a hefty dose of eugenics thrown in as well.
Do you honestly think the people at the World Economic Forum, Big Pharma, billionaires like Gates, Bloomberg, Rockefellers, et al, are ‘leftists’?

THX-1143
THX-1143
Oct 3, 2020 8:56 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

people in this very comment thread are complaining about “corporate communism”, so apparently they do think that. that’s how far their head is wedged up their ass, mostly as a result of decades of consuming mainstream media.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Oct 4, 2020 1:14 AM
Reply to  THX-1143

You should see the posts on my newsfeed. Apparently this whole agenda is about a full blown communist takeover!!
However Qanon is going to save us. Apparently. Sigh.

Hank
Hank
Oct 4, 2020 12:21 PM
Reply to  Hank

I’m sure most of you have seen Planet of the Humans by Michael Moore. Surely you don’t claim them to be on the right?

One thing about hard core leftists is they keep digging a bigger hole and come up with all kinds of excuses to justify their beliefs.

Binra
Binra
Oct 6, 2020 3:06 PM
Reply to  Hank

It isn’t a leftist belief, but an insinuation of unworthiness and human guilt, shaped and framed to serve a ‘controller mindset’. It is woven into our view of our self and our world by media and by subversion of the movements that rise to seek to address the issues as they see them, but become carbon fodder for the corporately indoctrinated beliefs that are of course rewarded for adopting and targeted for replacement if non-compliant.

Some aspect of the Right or Establishment has always been aligned in control of populations, not least in the protections of access to, and control over the means, to do so. But thesubversion of the human impulse to social solidarity has been worked by the cultivation of grievance under the premise of delivering freedom.

it isn’t the people who are captured who conceive such systemic control thinking, but those who read into their psyche to work on the already masked over guilts, fears and hopes, of which they are generally unaware – or become unaware as the cost of the masking in virtue that seems to offer escape from guilt – while protecting it from the process of healing that occurs from anything being brought truly into the open.

Nixon Scraypes
Nixon Scraypes
Oct 3, 2020 1:58 PM

I would say that the conjunction of social and media is an oxymoron, but I had to be dragged,if not kicking and screaming,at least with bad grace,into the digital age. My acceptance of this platform is rather grudging, I’m afraid,but then I am old which is now often a perjorative term. Perhaps I’d better shut up before I’m euthenised

messenger charles
messenger charles
Oct 3, 2020 5:02 PM
Reply to  Nixon Scraypes

We’re surrounded today by oxymorons – here’s four more: ‘criminal offence’ ‘holocaust denier’ ‘the free market’ ‘constitutional monarchy’.

Nixon Scraypes
Nixon Scraypes
Oct 3, 2020 6:51 PM

Don’t Johnson,Whitty, Vallance and Ferguson get a look in? But what’s wrong with~ constitutional offence, holocaust market, criminal monarchy and free denier?

messenger charles
messenger charles
Oct 4, 2020 10:43 AM
Reply to  Nixon Scraypes

“Don’t Johnson,Whitty, Vallance and Ferguson get a look in?” They’re just criminals and morons, not oxymorons.

“But what’s wrong with~ constitutional offence, holocaust market, criminal monarchy and free denier?”

I don’t ever see those in regular use.

Nixon Scraypes
Nixon Scraypes
Oct 4, 2020 11:56 AM

It’s just my sense of humour. A faux naïve misreading of what you said intended to agree by an ironically idiotic response.

messenger charles
messenger charles
Oct 4, 2020 8:33 PM
Reply to  Nixon Scraypes

Unfortunately sarcasm and humour easily get lost in the written word unless one knows the writer well.

Nixon Scraypes
Nixon Scraypes
Oct 4, 2020 11:57 PM

Very true and I always forget it. Vocal tone and facial expression are so important, that’s why this internet is so unsatisfactory for living people.

messenger charles
messenger charles
Oct 5, 2020 6:48 PM
Reply to  Nixon Scraypes

Yes I agree.

Voz 0db
Voz 0db
Oct 3, 2020 5:52 PM
Reply to  Nixon Scraypes

I work/use computers since 1988… Never had a social media account, neither a smartphone or a laptop. Main dysfunction of current modern slaves is that they want to be “connected 24/7”, and for that unbalance they (we the herd of modern slaves) are now STARTING to pay the price for that.

Just relax and enjoy the circus, because the herd prefers to be killed than to quit current behaviour!

Nixon Scraypes
Nixon Scraypes
Oct 3, 2020 6:54 PM
Reply to  Voz 0db

But Voz dear, some of them are quite sweet, and what if I were mistaken for one of them? Perish the thought!

Paul
Paul
Oct 3, 2020 1:34 PM

Politicians and their funded scientists don’t serve the people.

They are puppets to big pharma and the Gates owned WHO.

They serve the agenda and the money men pulling the strings.

In their eyes we the public are the virus.

It’s all about getting us to conform.

Evidence doesn’t matter.

They will use every propaganda tool they have to drive this.

If their lips are moving- they are lying.

Walter Melon
Walter Melon
Oct 3, 2020 1:55 PM
Reply to  Paul

What I’ve been discovering the past few years is that – apparently on the Left only – everyone in a position of “influence” (governors, mayors, media people, politicians and policy makers) has a second source of income. Often labeled “think tank” consulting, or to write blog posts no one reads, or “contribute” as an author, speaking fees, writing a book for a million dollars that sells 5,000 copies.

And these sources of income are without fail liberal, socialist causes. Bribes? Sure. Government salaries, despite (at the federal level) being higher per-profession on average than private sector, with better benefits, apparently doesn’t earn the full-time recipient enough money to get by.

Obama as a kid somehow manages to get elected to the Illinois Legislature and suddenly can afford a million dollar mansion in Chicago. Hillary leaves the state department and gets a million dollar advance to write a book that sells virtually no copies.

Now I read that Arizona’s governor sits on the board of directors of a company receiving state funds from Arizona to do virus-vaccine testing.

Liberals have seeded government and businesses with their evil ideas, and through bribes have created even more incentives for their people to keep destroying our freedoms.

And what have Conservatives done to enact our agenda?

kevin
kevin
Oct 3, 2020 4:14 PM
Reply to  Walter Melon

Obama, Clinton and similar others are not the left or socialist. Genuine leftists and socialists don’t serve corporate interests, they fight them.

Nixon Scraypes
Nixon Scraypes
Oct 3, 2020 7:27 PM
Reply to  kevin

When was the idea of the left invented? I have a feeling it was the French revolution when a different bunch of oligarchs took over.

THX-1143
THX-1143
Oct 3, 2020 9:09 PM
Reply to  Nixon Scraypes

after the different bunch of oligarchs took over, they guillotined all the people who could reasonably have been referred to as the “left”, once they no longer had any need of the mass movement of which those people were the authentic leaders.

it’s a recurring pattern in history.

Throughout recorded time, and probably since the end of the Neolithic Age, there have been three kinds of people in the world, the High, the Middle, and the Low. They have been subdivided in many ways, they have borne countless different names, and their relative numbers, as well as their attitude towards one another, have varied from age to age: but the essential structure of society has never altered. Even after enormous upheavals and seemingly irrevocable changes, the same pattern has always reasserted itself, just as a gyroscope will always return to equilibrium, however far it is pushed one way or the other.

The aims of these three groups are entirely irreconcilable. The aim of the High is to remain where they are. The aim of the Middle is to change places with the High. The aim of the Low, when they have an aim — for it is an abiding characteristic of the Low that they are too much crushed by drudgery to be more than intermittently conscious of anything outside their daily lives — is to abolish all distinctions and create a society in which all men shall be equal. Thus throughout history a struggle which is the same in its main outlines recurs over and over again. For long periods the High seem to be securely in power, but sooner or later there always comes a moment when they lose either their belief in themselves or their capacity to govern efficiently, or both. They are then overthrown by the Middle, who enlist the Low on their side by pretending to them that they are fighting for liberty and justice. As soon as they have reached their objective, the Middle thrust the Low back into their old position of servitude, and themselves become the High. Presently a new Middle group splits off from one of the other groups, or from both of them, and the struggle begins over again. Of the three groups, only the Low are never even temporarily successful in achieving their aims. It would be an exaggeration to say that throughout history there has been no progress of a material kind. Even today, in a period of decline, the average human being is physically better off than he was a few centuries ago. But no advance in wealth, no softening of manners, no reform or revolution has ever brought human equality a millimetre nearer. From the point of view of the Low, no historic change has ever meant much more than a change in the name of their masters.

https://orwell.ru/library/novels/1984/english/en_p_2

Nixon Scraypes
Nixon Scraypes
Oct 4, 2020 12:49 PM
Reply to  THX-1143

That’s it THXetc.(is that some new drug?) I’ve read a lot of Orwell and prefer his journalism to his novels which are really bleak, like the piece you quote. Have things been that bad everywhere? Is it intended to make people despair and give up hope, which I wonder about 1984? At the truth seeker uk today there’s an article about Daniel Korski of the UK Health Advisory Board. It’s more Orwellian than Orwell! The Ministry of health that specialises in sickness and surveillance. (Sur….Patrick…. Veillance?)

THX-1143
THX-1143
Oct 5, 2020 7:04 AM
Reply to  Nixon Scraypes

AlmondSan
AlmondSan
Oct 3, 2020 11:35 PM
Reply to  kevin

America does not follow the same definition of words when it comes to politics. In America (and now the UK) “left” means “not outright fascist, but covertly fascist”

Simon
Simon
Oct 3, 2020 4:28 PM
Reply to  Walter Melon

The two party system is basically a collaboration. Behind closed doors or even when it comes to voting for legislation they act together. All the jumping up and down about “the left” or “the right” is simply to suck people into the charade when actually they are best buddies and work together to ensure nobody sensible gets elected.

Fen Tiger
Fen Tiger
Oct 3, 2020 6:45 PM
Reply to  Simon

I think Gore Vidal said there is only one Party in America, the Property Party with two right wings, Democrat and Republican.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 3, 2020 2:16 PM
Reply to  Paul

If UK politicians are indeed the puppets and servants of Gates and big pharma etc (and I spend much time here making the same argument as you do), then they are primarily naive dupes, not calculating liars. The best liars believe their own lies; obedient Nazis really did see Jews as inferior humans or as evil money-grabbing capitalists and parasites, and helped spread the fake news. If UK politicians and democracy have been captured by the globalists and serve their agenda, then our task is to free them from servitude to the unelected elites. Government must be made to serve the British people again, the dumb plebs whose labour is endlessly taxed to pay the politicians who now so control us. To win this fight, evidence matters hugely. For example, countries which banned HCQ on behalf of the WHO, Gates and Gilead, as the UK did, have around 75% greater fatalities from the wu-flu compared to those who used it routinely from the start. Taiwan, with 23m people did so, and has had a grand total of 7 fatalities from Covid. But UK Government experts and medical journals like the Lancet have ignored or smeared all such evidence that HCQ is highly effective (except in generating profits or costly new vaccines). Their efforts have given the UK one of the world’s very worst performances against pandemic and likely constitute a crime against humanity. But it’s painfully clear that bumbling Boris hasn’t worked that out yet, and is still bowing to Vallance and Whitty.

https://hcqtrial.com/

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Oct 3, 2020 1:29 PM

Here in Victoria, the slogan is ‘staying apart keeps us together’. All these vacuous, soundbite slogans…. I wonder at the actual humanity of the people who dream these up. I wonder how much they’re paid?
The last couple of days in Melbourne have been warm, and large crowds flocked to the beaches here; large numbers seen not social distancing, and not wearing facemasks.
Well, Numpty blew a gasket. Dictator Dan stated it was ‘very disappointing’ and ‘unacceptable’ behaviour that people went to the beach, and said Police would now be patrolling beaches to ensure people followed the Chief Health Officer’s directives.
I don’t know how Andrews and his sidekick Sutton are going to keep this farce up right thru out a hot summer in Victoria.
And while he’s stomping his foot like some petulant brat, sadly more reports amongst my Facebook friends of suicides here due to the draconian lockdowns. People that have just lost all hope.
Regards your article Sinead, life was so different, and meaningful before the Internet, smartphones, and Facebook came along. People seemed much more authentic and real.
I grew up in a small country town in New Zealand, and the choice was to get out and join some clubs, (badminton and squash for me) or go to the Pub or someone’s Party, which I did often, or else sit at home staring at the TV. Alone.
But all that was a decades ago now, before digital screens came along.

Loverat
Loverat
Oct 3, 2020 1:36 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Gezzah Potts

See if you like this one. For dumbed down down under folk. Written a few weeks back.

http://oneworld.press/?module=articles&action=view&id=1651

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Oct 3, 2020 1:49 PM
Reply to  Loverat

“it’s enough for a 7 year old to be convinced we’re living in lockdown looney land”…. Looks an excellent peice, cheers Loverat👍

Jane in France
Jane in France
Oct 3, 2020 2:24 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

During my first year at university, a long time ago, I suffered from anorexia and used to eat a yogurt for dinner alone in my room and cross the street to avoid speaking to anyone I knew who might suggest we go for a bacon sandwich. That was abnormal behaviour. It seems to me now that what was weird then is now being encouraged as the new normal – staying in your room, eating alone, avoiding contact. By the way, I understand your Dan Andrews is cosy with China. Here’s a link to an interesting China-bashing article which actually sounds very plausible. https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/china-covid-lockdown-propaganda

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Oct 3, 2020 2:34 PM
Reply to  Jane in France

Hi Jane, hope things in France aren’t too dire. Yep, that’s what the ‘new normal’ is all about – dehumanising us, keeping us separated, keeping us 6 feet apart, not shaking hands or hugging. $1652 fine here in Melbourne for breaking social distancing directives. It’s very insidious and very deliberate. The goal is that it is so repetitive, it thus eventually becomes subconcious. People won’t even think about putting on a mask or not shaking hands anymore. The people behind the scamdemic know exactly what they’re doing.

aspnaz
aspnaz
Oct 3, 2020 2:48 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Hi Gezzah, good to hear you are still battling through this fiasco, keeping your chin up. Sounds like the people of Melbourne have started to discover that life under the cosh is a nonsense. Maybe there is still hope. If only that “leader” of yours would get eaten by one of your famous Aussie sharks.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Oct 4, 2020 1:28 AM
Reply to  aspnaz

I’m very stubborn Aspnaz. Class actions have now been filed against the Victorian State Govt and Federal Govt for billions. A lot of business owners are part of it as well as ordinary people who have lost their jobs.
The horrendous Omnibus Bill Dictator Dan wants passed gets voted on in the Upper House here on the 13th I think. A lot of people have been mobilising against this as well.
Hope your week goes well, and navigating public transport is not too much of a pain!

John
John
Oct 3, 2020 4:23 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

The suicides you mention are state murders in my eyes. I hope you’re OK.
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John
John
Oct 3, 2020 1:25 PM

Déjà vu

“The greatest medical scandal…..”

The 2009 Swine Flu ‘Pandemic’. Channel 4 News. (Twitter video.)

https://twitter.com/ToniaBuxton/status/1307643042959110144?s=20

goldhoarder
goldhoarder
Oct 3, 2020 3:05 PM
Reply to  John

Yeah. It is 2nd place now. Lol

Voz 0db
Voz 0db
Oct 3, 2020 1:16 PM

What makes us take it?

Decades of FORMATTING!

We’re formatted to be Irresponsible and Ignorant.

And those two, fully embraced by the Herd, living styles are perfect for the SRF & Billionaires do whatever They want.

Just enjoy the current OPERATION COVID. It has been a HUGE SUCCESS for Them to see that all those decades of Investment are finally paying off!

Kalen
Kalen
Oct 3, 2020 1:00 PM

The question why such blatantly obvious PsyOp like COVID seems successful has its answer with last 40 years of deliberately political purging and subsequent collapse of education system k-12 and college/universities all taken over by corporate ruling elites to indoctrinate young and turned into prisons of body and mind denying any intellectual liberation of young (after 1968 experience) in western tradition that comes from physical and social awareness driven wisdom and sense of mission of protecting interests of Human community, letting it to survive and thrive as imperative.

instead totalitarian culture has been instilled in young who took technocratic Dogma of normality serving ruling class as natural order of things unaware that those rules and organization of society and resulting social relations negotiated by dominance, power and money were result of brutal struggle and often rotten compromise designed to subjugate people who opposed it in the past..

The meaning of freedom, liberty to individual and political sovereignty demanding collective self rule for benefit of community has been corrupted, individual and socioeconomic meaning of labor as beneficial for community undertaken to satisfy basic human needs and mutual caring and sharing is being effectively destroyed as people are extorted to take jobs harmful to community they live in and other communities.

Now hottest jobs ate not beneficial to community but destructive like boom in jobs of Wall Street, banking, corporate medicine or security apparatus Or jobs Digging graves, contact tracing and brutal evictions, foreclosures to name few are about just that not creation but destruction of communities for corporate profits.

The concept of value itself, not only socioeconomic value but moral value of caring and sharing has been degraded attacked and suppressed, detached from vital interest of individual aligned fused with benefits to overall community while virtues of inequality, brutal exploitation and psychotic greed are praised and rewarded handsomely becoming exponents of normalcy, things how they should be, and goals in young lives to be inspired and compelled by.

Dream of Wealth via power and fame by means of serving interests of ruling elites alone regardless of dire consequences became the only divine inspiration for recent generations and already the only alternative to subsistence living within dying communities they help to destroy as myth of social advancement via education to improve lives of our communities has been discredited.

ginghiniagenie
ginghiniagenie
Oct 3, 2020 1:43 PM
Reply to  Kalen

Hard to disagree with any of that.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Oct 3, 2020 1:45 PM
Reply to  Kalen

“… totalitarian culture has been instilled in young who took technocratic dogma of normality serving ruling class as natural order of things…”

I see it in everywhere. It’s not about blaming people… How can you criticise someone who has no idea what you are trying to communicate?

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 3, 2020 2:27 PM
Reply to  Kalen

The younger generations in the west are clearly hugely inspired and motivated by leftist notions of social justice, not by Wall Street’s old notions of profiteering. They join BLM and Antifa, and accuse capitalism of exploiting and oppressing them. They spit at the ruling elites. Students in western universities learn the evils of capitalism, not the evils of communism. They know MAGA hats represent evil, while the hammer and sickle bring freedom, rights, justice and social acceptance. Like virtue-signalling globalist politicians, young westerners put saving the world first, not Britain or America first.

IridescentAnaconda
IridescentAnaconda
Oct 3, 2020 3:00 PM

The younger generations in the west are clearly hugely inspired and motivated by leftist notions of social justice, not by Wall Street’s old notions of profiteering.

Por que no los dos?

Kalen
Kalen
Oct 3, 2020 9:06 PM

By definition antifa, BLM is not leftist or socialist (it is founded and funded by corporate oligarchy) as it is not all inclusive ideology of equality, equity and egalitarianism for all regardless of race, color or creed but twisted postmodernist ideology that mostly focuses on construct of “group specific truths, and demands” and special interests of those groups expressed by ideas of Intersectionality with total disregard to interest and needed of others who do not belong to their group.

it is element of Identity Politics of division and exclusion drawing from the same political source as white supremacy.

even their anti police stand is phony as they protest police brutality by demanding that equality brutal federal government security apparatus defend them and only them.

they do not want any systemic changes to capitalism or rid of social institutions of racism that are the reason for suffering they claim to protest but simply elbowing for position of black elites to receive more handouts from oligarchic rulers former slave holders regardless who will pay for it.

there is nothing leftist or revolutionary or even marginally threatening of capitalism about their incoherent utterances taken for political manifesto And hence they are tolerated even supported as a anti Trump campaign to be suppressed called hooligans if Biden wins.

aspnaz
aspnaz
Oct 3, 2020 2:55 PM
Reply to  Kalen

The meaning of freedom, liberty to individual and political sovereignty demanding collective self rule for benefit of community has been corrupted

This is not my “meaning of freedom”.

Jogging
Jogging
Oct 3, 2020 12:40 PM

MSM in the UK, BBC or ITV used to have stories like this one from RT, but not now.

”300,000 denied Universal Credit due to having too much savings”

Grace Johns
Grace Johns
Oct 3, 2020 11:35 PM
Reply to  Jogging

So now that it affects them they’re all whining when not long ago they were all handing white feathers to “benefit scroungers” and plenty of landlords said “no benefits” in their property ads.

John
John
Oct 3, 2020 12:16 PM

I TRUST the 1000s of epidemiologists, doctors, academics, virologists who are speaking out in the United States, Europe, Latin America and around the world and at http://www.acu2020.org and http://www.r2020.it/

I DISTRUST Government ministers who have shares in Pharma and conflicts of interest

Controversy surrounding the validity of PCR tests and false positives is not a conspiracy theory

The catastrophic destruction of the economy and millions of people’s lives, the cancellation of medical treatment and the false imprisonment of hundreds of healthy students is not a conspiracy theory

It’s not a conspiracy theory that on May 11th, 2020, Chris Whitty said at a Downing Street briefing: ‘Covid-19 is harmless to the vast majority of people’

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=adj8MCsZKlg

This Mayor not only capitulates but issues threats: don’t ask questions, don’t criticise, don’t speak – or risk being labelled a ‘conspiracy theorist’
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Researcher
Researcher
Oct 3, 2020 4:16 PM
Reply to  John

What is Covid19 anyway?

Don’t you find it strange that they have a different name for the “disease” than the supposed virus?

John
John
Oct 3, 2020 4:29 PM
Reply to  Researcher

Yeah. I didn’t realise COVID was an acronym for coronavirus disease, or something like that.

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 3, 2020 6:18 PM
Reply to  John

Certificate Of Vaccination ID

John
John
Oct 3, 2020 6:21 PM
Reply to  Researcher

It dovetails into this WEF nightmare:

‘Welcome To 2030: I Own Nothing, Have No Privacy And Life Has Never Been Better’

https://t.co/wE19PIyWA3?amp=1

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 3, 2020 7:14 PM
Reply to  John

“ My living room is used for business meetings when I am not there.”

OMFG. Thanks for that link.

Ort
Ort
Oct 4, 2020 12:39 AM
Reply to  Researcher

This brings to mind a plot twist in a “Seinfeld” episode: George gets access to a commercial parking lot at a reduced fee, only to discover that his parked car is being used by local prostitutes as a place to service clients.

Fact Checker
Fact Checker
Oct 5, 2020 12:43 AM
Reply to  Ort

Except in the future, it will be your own brain-chipped body that gets used to service people while you’re “asleep”!

Win-Win!

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Oct 6, 2020 12:09 AM
Reply to  Researcher

Well, there are precedents: HIV is the virus; AIDS is the “disease” (or syndrome, really). Of course, that one is (or two are) equally fictitious.

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 6, 2020 4:05 AM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Exactly. I think they’re all fictitious. Swine flu. Avian flu. Polio. Ebola. Etc. My question was rhetorical. I have a habit of using rhetorical questions to state the obvious.

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 3, 2020 12:00 PM

Over the lockdown period I have developed a routine that has been pretty consistent. I go immediately to OffG – both the main site and its Twitter feed …and that’s almost it. I tend to go around other sites but in an increasingly apathetic way: mainstream Left sites and the MSM. And I have to say that this has largely become a game of “spot the difference”. The only difference is – ironically – that the MSM just takes the deadly virus rap for granted and simply drones on whereas the Left ones are grinding out the fear in the same hysterical way that the MSM started with all those months ago. Other than COVID, there are various items spun in a “COVID friendly” manner i.e. the regular news jigged with a COVID sheen. And my gut reaction is: “Is there any real news anywhere?”

In short: much gratitude for the existence of OffG.

Brianbotou
Brianbotou
Oct 3, 2020 1:01 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Yes, it very apparent that so called left leaning sights such as Skwawkbox regurgitate the MSM bs or in the case of others such as MOA and Catlin refuse to acknowledge the bs. I frequently use Off-guardian, followed by Global research, Swiss Propaganda research or do my own research. It begs the question how independently minded are some of these so called left leaning sites?

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 3, 2020 2:03 PM
Reply to  Brianbotou

Skwawkbox is pure poison. It’s a neo-con vetted site ever so pleased that it has been given the “news worthy” award:

https://skwawkbox.org/2020/06/22/newsguard-renews-skwawkboxs-100-trustworthiness-rating/

Check here:

https://www.mintpressnews.com/newsguardneocon-backed-fact-checker-plans-to-wage-war-on-independent-media/253687/

Watt
Watt
Oct 3, 2020 4:36 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I have not looked at Skawkbox for a long time. A bunch of bickering posters in there. Certainly not since I stumbled on Off G, without which I’d be out in the wilderness. Here one finds many links, all good.

Arby
Arby
Oct 3, 2020 3:34 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Well, Because I’ve been blogging about covid 19 since the hoax was launched (and am up to 70 posts on just covid), I’ve been collecting resources. In an effort to have a conversation with a workmate about this – he just won’t lift a little finger to get informed, but he’ll argue with me – I mentioned the above and mused out loud that my next blog post should be focussed on offering people a list of resources, which I will do after my current blog post is finished.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Oct 6, 2020 12:13 AM
Reply to  Arby

What’s your blog called?

Arby
Arby
Oct 6, 2020 12:26 AM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

My blog is called “A Yappy Trade Barrier.” I’m up to 72 blog posts and working on the next. I have nothing else to do and I was already blogging, so I might as well try to be useful right now. It’s the least I can do. It’s nothing special, being, basically, a clearinghouse for material I consider to be useful, but it’s something. Don’t be surprised if you see a scary warning sign. I am either very, very unpopular or else I’m experiencing serious censorship. I get almost no views and, on some days, zero views. But I wonder. When I check my graphic, for a second I see bars for some days at a high position and then they drop right down to zero or 1 or 2 videos. Then again, If I was getting more hits, Wouldn’t some people leave comments? But we are talking about WordPress whose managers have bragged about partnering with Google’s First Draft.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Oct 6, 2020 2:55 AM
Reply to  Arby

Many thanks Arby. Now bookmarked. I don’t know why I haven’t picked this up before because I certainly read your posts here, although I did opt out of Off-G for a while as I was suffering from information overload, so I might have missed a reference to your blog.

Seems to be a lot of good stuff on there, some of which I was aware of, but a lot not, so thank you, and you have at least one more reader now, and I will try to reference it elsewhere.

Arby
Arby
Oct 6, 2020 12:36 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Thanks. I hope I can be useful.

Watt
Watt
Oct 3, 2020 4:31 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Hey there George..
Real news is available at UK Column. Hard to stomach now and again. A great team with a delivery more novel than any corona virus!

Arby
Arby
Oct 6, 2020 12:29 AM
Reply to  Watt

I use them all the time. It’s gritty. But we need to know what they are telling us. They dig right in, attempting to communicate with the authorities about what they’re doing and getting very useful feedback and info from their viewership.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Oct 6, 2020 12:12 AM
Reply to  George Mc

As for MSM, it’s not just the news. Even (former) favourite radio programmes like “The News Quiz” have become unlistenable-to as far as I’m concerned; in fact most so-called comedy shows have been (they were becoming increasingly un-funny in any case, or am I just getting old…?).

Jonn
Jonn
Oct 3, 2020 10:57 AM

What exactly happened here,… evidence of genome editing?

So, how did the 29675-type sequences originate? That is a hard one to answer. Over four hundred different existing viruses have had their ends trimmed to give the 861 sequences of 29675-type. It seems that many different viruses must have been found together in one place, when their ends were cut off at exactly the same two points (relative to the standard sequence). Perhaps an RNA cutting/editing protein was added in order to change one or more of the viruses in some desired way, and this protein was accidently left in a number of vials, each of which contained a cocktail of covid-19 viruses. Of course, such an editing protein should have been thoroughly removed from the mixture. However, in some cases it appears that it was not successfully purged, and in time, it amputated the ends of each covid-19 virus in the vial.

The 29675-sequences are closely related to outbreaks on cruise ships. Two cruise ships with 29675-sequences docked at San Diego. One of these was the Disney Wonder. The Disney Wonder had previously stopped in at New Orleans, Louisiana. Both San Diego and New Orleans had an outbreak of viruses of the 29675-type. Of course, Sydney Australia also had a 29675-type outbreak. One assumes this was the type of the Newmarch House outbreak, and this led to the above mentioned cover-up. Newmarch House also had a connection to cruise ships, as Aspen Medical staff who had worked on the cruise ship Ruby Princess later worked at Newmarch. The 25 sequences of 29675-type from Mexico are all from Tijuana which neighbors San Diego. The 23 sequences of 29675-type from Amman, Jordan, probably have a connection to the US military.

Overall, the virus appears to be only mildly contagious, so to keep the pandemic going the virus has to be actively spread.

It seems that initially cruise ships and aircraft were used to spread the virus. Then later old-age homes were targeted.

This explains why China recovered so quickly from her dose of the virus. Although the virus had been actively spread in Wuhan, leading to reports of the virus being very contagious, the lockdown kept the spreaders from spreading it further. Thus they moved on to easier, or more hated, targets. Since the virus is only mildly contagious, the lockdown soon killed off the little that had previously spread to the rest of China. It seems the spreaders expected the virus to be much more contagious than it turned out to be, as they spread it just before the biggest mass movement of people anywhere on the planet, Chinese new year.

http://www.preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1184

Simon
Simon
Oct 3, 2020 12:00 PM
Reply to  Jonn

People have different dna so there is lots of different combinations under various conditions. These are not viruses. It is eating unhealthy that causes lympahatic problems not some piece of genetic debris found as a consequence of lymphatic problems. ‘Symptoms’ are not a disease but a healing process.

Jane in France
Jane in France
Oct 3, 2020 2:27 PM
Reply to  Simon

I agree with you, Simon, about the relationship between eating unhealthiy and falling ill. The trouble is, most people would consider healthy eating to be avoiding saturated fat, cutting down on meat, getting your five a day, basing your meals on starchy foods. No wonder they end up with all sorts of physical and psychological problems.

Simon
Simon
Oct 3, 2020 5:12 PM
Reply to  Jane in France

5 a day is basically hardly anything. Meat is one of the main satanic ploys. Ofcourse most of the controlled opposition are pushing keto diets to help get people sick and dumb and under satanic influence. It’s not just have some organic eggs incase your veg hasn’t been grown in rich enough soil but actually eat only meat and a few bits of calorie free greens. A diet that goes against all known health research and tries to make out the inuit are a model to base health on when they are not particularly healthy and thousands of miles away from any semblence of a normal human environment and have special adaptations to cope with their diet. It is just as ridiculous as covid19.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Oct 6, 2020 12:17 AM
Reply to  Simon

Have to disagree with you there Simon.

John
John
Oct 3, 2020 2:00 PM
Reply to  Jonn

This is a great video that debunks the lies. A few minutes long, by @FatEmperor

https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1312014606240489472?s=20

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 3, 2020 4:24 PM
Reply to  Jonn

The genomics are fraudulent. The virus has never been isolated or purified therefore the original published genomic sequence that came out of China is not valid or verifiable.

And since the “strains” detected in other countries, are based on that initial sequence from Wuhan, what we are actually witnessing is an unprecedented level of fraud, where “scientists” are mapping part of some sequence, whether human or bovine origin, or nucleic acid sequence, to claim virus existence and subsequent mutations.

Arby
Arby
Oct 6, 2020 12:32 AM
Reply to  Researcher

As Andrew Kaufman notes, it’s even possible that Sars-CoV-1 & 2 come from strands of animal and human dna. It’s junk. Makia Freeman’s article covers it well.

John
John
Oct 3, 2020 10:39 AM

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Jeremy Foch
Jeremy Foch
Oct 3, 2020 10:52 AM
Reply to  John

But there could be more cases, which wil KILL us all!

Like the planet will get cooler, if we stop the carbon units breathing and living.

Like a terrorist could murder everyone, eanywhere at anytime.

like Brexit will make Britain more successful despite the fact it wont.

Why look at the facts when promises of facts are good enough.

Simon
Simon
Oct 3, 2020 12:14 PM
Reply to  John

There is no such thing as a covid death. These entities are outright liars and criminals.
https://www.loveproductions.org/english/articles/misinterpretation-of-virus/

Arby
Arby
Oct 3, 2020 3:47 PM
Reply to  Simon

There is no covid 19 disease. Aside from that fact, Even establishment science, including altered science (altered to accommodate the hoax), disallows the idea that there’s a pandemic. This is all so incredible! They don’t have a virus, let alone a pandemic!

John
John
Oct 3, 2020 10:22 PM
Reply to  Arby

And the tests are faulty and face masks do more harm than good etc… Lies, upon lies, upon lies

ToyAussie
ToyAussie
Oct 3, 2020 7:05 PM
Reply to  John

The second people agreed to the lock down of healthy individuals, they handed over infinite power, gave up their rights &entered the lose/lose labyrinth. High deaths, low deaths, it doesn’t matter….

A. Deaths are low because lock downs work therefore we must keep locked down
B. Deaths are high therefore we must stay locked down to prevent more deaths

There is no exit. It was a trick.

ToyAussie
ToyAussie
Oct 3, 2020 7:31 PM
Reply to  ToyAussie

looking over the above I apologise for the negative tone! There is an exit. It is noncompliance which may get more challenging by the day but never impossible.

Arby
Arby
Oct 4, 2020 1:24 AM
Reply to  ToyAussie

I should probably do more of that. The supermarket I just visited had a security guard at the front door. I should have passed him with my mask on and then taken it off inside the store. It’s too easy to think that the security guard lets me off the hook and I don’t have to think about it anymore. He can come into the store to boot me out, but then they’d have to leave the front door unlocked. Make trouble for them without getting yourself into serious trouble. But the faraway tv addicted store manager isn’t going to change his or her mind, I fear.

I am biking (here in Toronto). Because its colder, I have to wear a cheap ski mask under my bike helmet. I have to take the helmet off to put the mask on. He saw me fumbling and said “The new rules can be a pain in the ass, Can’t they?” I replied that “They are abuse. Off the carts abuse for a huge, criminal hoax.” He said “Okay” in a dismissive tone and shuffling away. I challenged him to think and his fear of going against the crowd and being seen as rebellious took over. Which is ironic. I’m a security guard and when I’ve had the chance to talk to people at work (the few times I worked for someone else, during the day), I didn’t hesitate. I even quit my job over the stupid health checks (the ones that ask you, essentially, Are you human?), but got it back when I figured that I could go the health check without lying. Although I’ve now come around to viewing that differently. If I have a sniffle or some other human condition, I will not indicate that on my health check because my health check is abuse and fraudulent. When I quit my job I sent my boss an email, which he requested, making it formal and provided him with a link to my blog. I even laid it all out for him on the phone. He just meekly replied “I don’t get into that deep.” I’m sure. How far would his career go if he did? We are talking about G4S security afterall.

Arby
Arby
Oct 4, 2020 1:15 AM
Reply to  ToyAussie

It’s an ongoing harmful, huge, criminal hoax. We just have to keep stating facts and pointing out who the hoaxsters are and why they are doing this. Otherwise, ‘We’ are just being rebellious in the eyes of tv addicts.

Jean Wilson
Jean Wilson
Oct 4, 2020 5:42 AM
Reply to  Arby

I agree Arby. I hated it when we were called “consumers” instead of “customers”.

Platov
Platov
Oct 3, 2020 10:10 AM

A very perceptive and moving description of “the new abnormal.” For me it is just the latest stage in the deliberate dehumanization of humanity, which began with seemingly innocuous changes like “human resources” instead of “personnel,” and “labor capital” instead of “workers.” As far as corporate capitalism is concerned, our only intrinsic value is our economic value.

Jeremy Foch
Jeremy Foch
Oct 3, 2020 11:19 AM
Reply to  Platov

It is American noeliberal Corporatism. It’s all about empire.

Nixon Scraypes
Nixon Scraypes
Oct 3, 2020 2:18 PM
Reply to  Jeremy Foch

Noe it’s not it’s World Neo Capitalism or Communitarianism, the Big Society for Big Brother, a nu~blend for a new world with a yummy new original flava and a new subnormal.

John
John
Oct 3, 2020 12:22 PM
Reply to  Platov

Yes. It’s the essence of neoliberalism. Humans are worth nothing except the profits they create. I also noticed the dehumanising change from ‘Personnel’ to ‘Human Resources’.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Oct 3, 2020 2:46 PM
Reply to  Platov

“Capitalism is the extraordinary belief

 that the nastiest of men

 for the nastiest of motives

 will somehow work for the benefit of all.”

 

– John Maynard Keynes –

(June 5, 1883 – April 12, 1946)

Arby
Arby
Oct 3, 2020 3:49 PM

John was demonstrating common sense. Or call it basic intelligence, since common sense isn’t very common.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Oct 6, 2020 12:23 AM
Reply to  Arby

(He was actually known as Maynard to his family and friends).

Arby
Arby
Oct 6, 2020 12:37 AM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Got it.

Fact Checker
Fact Checker
Oct 5, 2020 12:31 AM

That’s fucking rich indeed, coming from that most nasty man himself, who insisted that it was HE who worked for the benefit of all.

Are you seriously quoting Keynes as favorable authority?

To quote a much wiser man:
The horrorr. The horrorrrrrrr.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Oct 5, 2020 2:32 AM
Reply to  Fact Checker

Hello Fact Checker: Like many other Ivy League types of the early 1900’s, Keynes was Eugenicist and complete ass hole. Keynesian economics (a capitalist “theory” based on some magical mirage of consumer demand) got us where we are today.

Fact Checker
Fact Checker
Oct 5, 2020 2:19 PM

If you’re conflating Keynesianism with capitalism, you’re doing it wrong.

Philippe
Philippe
Oct 3, 2020 3:43 PM
Reply to  Platov

As far as corporate capitalism is concerned, our only intrinsic value is our economic value.”

I think that last year, this statement would have been absolutely true.

However, given the coming global financial reset, which will essentially wipe the debt slate clean, alongside the UN’s depopulation agenda, to what extent do ‘they’ need us to fuel their system?

I agree that it will take a while to kill billions of people – perhaps a few generations (unless the new vaccine does it in a oner), so we may have some residual use while they put their ‘new normal’ system in place. I can’t see it lasting though.

Besides, they can and do print as much money as they want, whenever they want. I don’t believe we’re in an economic paradigm anymore – at least not as far as the billionaires et al are concerned. Money has no value to them (they ‘own’ most of it anyway). It is simply a means to an end. The end of most of us, in fact.