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Great VIRAL Debate: Round 2: Dr Rancourt’s Second Response In reply to Dr Anderson’s First Response

The gong sounds for Round Two of The Great VIRAL Debate. Track this debate’s progress in our Coronavirus Debate Section. Dr Piers Robinson is our chair. Off-Guardian is your host. The proposition under debate is:

SARS-COV-2 merits suppression measures in order to combat the virus rather than the herd/community immunity approach

Dr Rancourt, arguing against the proposition, responds to Tim Anderson’s first response from 17 Oct:

Tim spins a narrative about COVID-19, which is primarily intended to validate the state practice of medicine in select socialist jurisdictions (“China, Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela, Syria”), while invalidating the state practice of medicine in select neo-liberal jurisdictions (“UK, USA, Sweden, Brazil”).

Tim is focussed on political doctrine, and thus unable or unwilling to address my criticisms of his partisan views about COVID-19. I reiterate my criticisms below.

Likewise, it appears that Tim (who is in Australia) is significantly mistaken in terms of what actually occurred in Syria, according to a report by on-site investigative journalist Eva Bartlett.[1] Are Tim’s interpretations of the actual events for other countries also mistaken?

Tim and I share disdain for the mass crimes of empire, and admiration for Cuba, which brilliantly practices diplomacy by humanistic medicine, but I cannot accept Tim’s baseless arguments about COVID-19.

State medicine has a potential to be harmful, in both socialist and neo-liberal systems, not least via its paternalistic religion-like mesmerizing of the population. Medicine most everywhere has been modelled into a state religion, which creates an unhealthy dependence, and a debilitating perception of one’s own body and place in the world.

In neo-liberal jurisdictions, the influence of Big Pharma is devastating, with prescription-drug addictions, and population-scale use of chemotherapeutic, psychotropic and palliative drugs. Most published research validating marginal benefits from these drugs is false.[2] It is no accident that the third-leading cause of death in the West is medical “error”, not counting error-free “treatment”.[3]

In addition, vaccines are generally a global industry of harmful exploitation, enabled by the captured WHO and CDC. It is a trillion-dollar industry, which supports the USA dollar as a global currency.[4]

The jurisdictions that are somewhat independent of the USA are not immune to the institutions captured by Big Pharma, nor to the global propaganda about the pandemic, because these jurisdictions know that fear can lead to war, and vaccines can create vaccine borders against trade and cooperation. Transmissible pathogens are a powerful pretext for total isolation and vilification of nations. Thus, except for Belarus that proves the rule, China and Russia must at least appear to take the West’s pandemic seriously, and they must develop their own vaccines.

Tim’s theory about COVID-19 is that a difference in “COVID deaths” between “neoliberal countries (UK, USA, Sweden, Brazil)” and “more independent countries (China, Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela, Syria)” is caused by decimated and badly managed medical systems in the West versus responsibly managed and values-based medical care in his list of non-neoliberal countries.

Tim’s theory is at odds with three main facts, which I have amply described in my articles and already spelled out in this debate:

  1. Viral respiratory diseases transmit highly in low absolute humidity conditions (in the winter of mid-latitude nations), not in humid (near equatorial) environments.
  2. The deaths mostly occurred in elderly persons in care homes (inter alia because these care homes were infected by transfers from hospitals, and are hot spots of transmission).[5] Therefore, one cannot compare societies with many elderly persons in care homes with societies in which elderly parents live more in nuclear families.
  3. Viral respiratory diseases transmit in closed facilities (hospitals, care homes, schools, etc.) having inadequate exhaust-ventilation, such as in cold climates or with air-conditioned spaces. Hot-climate spaces with natural ventilation are more ventilated.

Tim’s narrative is a basket of apples and oranges.

Regarding the infection fatality ratio (IFR), Tim relies on Verity et al. (2020), which was published online on 30 March 2020. The article does not report measurements of the IFR. Rather, the authors infer a tenuous IFR using Bayesian inference theory:

To estimate the infection fatality ratio we fitted to data on infection prevalence from international Wuhan residents who were repatriated to their home countries…

Verity et al. obtain a large IFR estimate.

In contrast, Ioannidis, which I cited, calculated actual IFR values from seroprevalence data, and critically assessed such measurements in 36 studies and 7 national estimates. Ioannidis is one of the world’s leading medical researchers. Tim argues that Ioannidis’ numbers are the result of bias since the scientist tried to communicate his findings to the president of the USA, and expressed concern about the deleterious effects of lockdowns.

The main problem, however, is that to believe Tim, one has to forget the science about viral respiratory diseases prior to 2020. Non-pandemic influenza is a highly contagious disease that often devastates care homes for elderly persons, and I have already cited some of the studies of care-home influenza epidemics, in this debate. Case fatality ratios (CFR) and IFR are exponential with age, as is the case with COVID-19, and no worse.

Pre-COVID-19 care-home epidemics occurred by accident. Whereas, with COVID-19, care homes were systematically infected by transfers from hospitals, following the March 11th suggestions by the WHO to prepare hospitals for a pandemic, under conditions in which care workers fled out of fear. No wonder death counts were high in March-April-May.[6] [7] It is difficult to correct for these systematic effects in calculating an IFR that is intended, by definition, to be a characteristic of the viral pathogen in an unperturbed society. As such, many IFR evaluations will be overestimates. In addition, there has been a large positive bias in attributing deaths to COVID-19, in this propagandised pandemic, which also inflates calculated IFR values.

Instead of addressing my points about influenza and care homes, Tim relies on the bare uninformed statement: “The seasonal flu IFR is commonly said to be about 0.1%”.

Finally, this figure from my latest article should put all of this in perspective.[7] It is the all-cause mortality by month in France from 1946 to 2020. The winter-burden mortality from viral respiratory diseases, primarily, is seasonal, and historical population-health status plays a dominant role throughout. An extra peak occurs in August 2003, which corresponds to a heatwave that killed 15 thousand. The last peak is the COVID-19 episode:

Dr Anderson’s Round Two response will be published next week (w/c 25 Oct).
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DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Oct 24, 2020 3:04 PM

Dr Rancourt accepts the SC2 virus exists and is new.

Argument over.

Dr Rancourt tries to then say it is no worse than a flu by giving a chart (unreadably tiny) but ignores the reality of the fact that SC2 happened after the annual flu spike.

Dr Rancourt further ignores the fact that in previous flu seasons – there was no mitigation of flu spread by imposed quarantine / social distancing / sanitary behaviour hence the SC2 peak was/is a LOT smaller than would have been had such measures not been taken.

Dr Rancourt compares the flu (with years of natural immunity and doses of flu vaccines for certain strains of it) with the wholly novel SC2. Then Dr Rancourt cheekily has the gall to state that the other guy is comparing apples and oranges!

Argument over. Again. But no doubt he will carry on dissembling.

Clyde
Clyde
Oct 29, 2020 5:18 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

Your claim that the various rituals imposed mitigated the spread of SC2 presupposes that the rituals could do so. There is no evidence to support your belief.

James Robertson
James Robertson
Oct 24, 2020 2:08 PM

What’s happened to the cognitively challenged adversary?

Eric van der Worp
Eric van der Worp
Oct 24, 2020 3:30 PM

It should come tomorrow, according to Off-Guardian’s comment at the end of this article. We shall see, it will be very interesting, this round 2 is very good, like a roundhouse punch to the face. Will be interesting to see the recovery…

BDBinc
BDBinc
Oct 24, 2020 2:23 AM

Nothing to debate, its Covid: The Big Lie
https://notpublicaddress.wordpress.com/2020/10/10/what-debate/

RUN!NOW
RUN!NOW
Oct 24, 2020 1:53 AM

Yep

Ding Ding
round 2 of this absolute bore

Of course this wont change anything coming. But who says it ever was meant to , right ?
Meanwhile ,
we all keep staring at our monitors ….don’t move ! don’t talk! and definitely don’t think .
Why should we? , when we have scintillating discussions as this, right 🙂
Get ready for total enslavement kids
it ll be fun

PREPARE!

Eric van der Worp
Eric van der Worp
Oct 24, 2020 3:37 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Yup, it’s because that’s all he knows how to do, no worries. There can be no other solution than to shine the light onto the rot, and spread to those with the capabilities to see. The rest will fight until the last minute of the last day, that is how it works. He is not wrong they are preparing us for total enslavement with the ‘great reset’ which is no reset at all, and ‘build back better’ which just means we can destroy the economy and rebuild it in our image, because we are psychopaths and think we know better than everyone else. Doomed to failure, and it’s always darkest before the dawn, but we will need to try supplement our food intake with growing our own food gardens and contacting local suppliers, as food prices are going to skyrocket during the solar minimum now. Growing days have decreased and erratic weather has caused many farmers to lose crops, etc. There is a reason they are locking us down, and partly it is because governments are in contact with each other and think they can control what will come, a natural cyclical occurrence on this planet of good weather centuries and bad weather centuries. Pray I am wrong, but as they say, hope for the best and prepare for the worst. I re-read this and have not explained it well, but it is irrelevant, the info is all out there, but the fear is very strong on this planet right now and that generally prevents thinking or researching.

LKing
LKing
Oct 23, 2020 5:01 PM

From the California state guidelines on celebrations:

Face coverings can also be removed to meet urgent medical needs (for example, to use an asthma inhaler, take medication, or if feeling light-headed).

https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/CDPH-Guidance-for-the-Prevention-of-COVID-19-Transmission-for-Gatherings-10-09.aspx

If masks don’t hinder breathing or negatively impact health in any way, why would one be allowed to remove it if feeling light-headed?

ame
ame
Oct 23, 2020 5:24 PM
Reply to  LKing

with all the exempts out there and not just medical one needed, only milkshakes would wear one

remember it to protects other not you zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

We are told that the hand sanitizer will kill the virus. Then why would we need the upcoming vaccine?  

Eric van der Worp
Eric van der Worp
Oct 24, 2020 3:38 PM
Reply to  ame

The hand sanitizer global use will create a surge of superbugs, just like the overuse of antibiotics has. Yay! not….

jkb
jkb
Oct 25, 2020 4:07 PM

May I add cancer?

jkb
jkb
Oct 25, 2020 4:07 PM
Reply to  ame

And prince charles, boris johnson, donald trump, and all the celebrities recovered when there was no medication nor vaccine.

Here in Indonesia there was a woman, 100 years old, recovered from covid19, when there was no treatment. And a friend of mine was still convinced covid was very dangerous. Lol.

Ort
Ort
Oct 23, 2020 8:51 PM
Reply to  LKing

Maybe they originally intended to say “heavy-hearted”, and substituted the puzzling “light-headed” because they were worried that heavy-hearted would be the equivalent of a “Get Out of Mask Free” card.

LKing
LKing
Oct 23, 2020 9:58 PM
Reply to  Ort

I am both light headed and heavy hearted, so maybe I deserve an exemption! I just received two stern emails for not masking in the common areas at work. So I’m browbeaten, and looking for another job.

Ort
Ort
Oct 23, 2020 10:32 PM
Reply to  LKing

Sorry to hear it. I don’t mean to gloat, but boy am I glad I retired early (in 2012)– I was burned out.

I was a state unemployment compensation appeals referee. I sat in a small hearing room all day and conducted appeal hearings (and issued written eligibility decisions) on disputed unemployment claims.

I’m not in touch with any referees who are currently working, but I know it must be hellish.

For one thing, as you may know every state unemployment program was overwhelmed by the surge in claims after the Megadeath Virus of Doom (MVD) lockdowns began. PA was in even worse shape, because a few years ago (after I retired, thankfully) there was some kind of feud in the state legislature that resulted in the program being substantially defunded– so the wheels were already falling off when the multitudes tried to climb aboard.

I’m sure that the hearings are now all conducted by telephone, or maybe Zoom, instead of having parties report in person. We conducted telephone hearings on occasion, but frankly they are a pain in the butt– not only to manage, but to assess the credibility of the parties.

But even if referees are “sheltering in place” in their hearing rooms all day, I’m sure that the MVD nonsense in the office would drive me up the wall. I’m sure there are tons of administrative edicts, and my guess is that most of my former co-workers would be hysterical True Believers. I can imagine getting ratted out by some clerk-typist because I wasn’t wearing a mask when they came into my office with the mail, etc. 

That, and having to mask up during my daily public transit commute. Anyway, I feel your pain and wish you luck in moving on to less oppressive pastures.

LKing
LKing
Oct 23, 2020 11:21 PM
Reply to  Ort

Interesting to hear about your job. I work next to the group in my office who handle unemployment claims. I don’t know how you did it! Listening to the crazy shit people come up with, along with the tragedies and other life stories, even just overhearing about them takes a toll on me. I am jealous that you got to retire! I still have a ways off, but am working on getting out of the country if things continue as they are here. Thinking really hard about Mexico, hoping to visit in the next month or two to figure out if things are better down there.

Regarding Zoom, I’m sad about the push to do everything via video conference, as it really is just not a sufficient substitute. Yesterday had the new experience of watching a friend’s funeral via Zoom. Between people forgetting to mute mics, configuring their video while doing other things at their kitchen table, etc., it just felt really bizarre and perfunctory.

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 25, 2020 12:04 PM
Reply to  LKing
Researcher
Researcher
Oct 25, 2020 12:04 PM
Reply to  LKing

OSHA says masks don’t work and violate healthy oxygen levels.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uleQ1jGezNI

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 25, 2020 12:06 PM
Reply to  LKing

Here’s a study on hypoxia (mask wearing leads to hypoxia) and blood clots.
https://ashpublications.org/blood/article/132/4/452/103891/Hypoxia-downregulates-protein-S-expression

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 25, 2020 12:08 PM
Reply to  LKing
Researcher
Researcher
Oct 25, 2020 12:12 PM
Reply to  LKing

This study by the CDC and approved by the WHO shows masks not effective. “conducted in preparation for the development of guidelines by the World Health Organization on the use of nonpharmaceutical interventions for pandemic influenza in nonmedical settings.”

Quote from the study:

“In our systematic review, we identified 10 RCTs [Random Controlled Trials] that reported estimates of the effectiveness of face masks in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the community from literature published during 1946–July 27, 2018. In pooled analysis, we found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks.”

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 25, 2020 12:29 PM
Reply to  LKing

On this site you will find a link to the laws in all states regarding mask wearing. Sign up for their newsletter. Share the site with others.

https://www.thehealthyamerican.org/

LKing
LKing
Oct 26, 2020 2:25 PM
Reply to  Researcher

Thank you for sharing all these resources. I am going through them today. I appreciate it!

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 26, 2020 5:17 PM
Reply to  LKing
Researcher
Researcher
Oct 26, 2020 5:19 PM
Reply to  LKing
LKing
LKing
Oct 26, 2020 5:29 PM
Reply to  Researcher

This is very disturbing. My 12 year old is in school where she has to wear a mask all day. She and her dad are adamant that she stay in in-person school. I need to figure out how to win this battle.

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 26, 2020 5:59 PM
Reply to  LKing

You could shop for a doctor who can provide her with a medical exemption so you don’t have to do battle with the school. Do you have any medical professionals or psychiatric professionals in your family or circle of friends? Shop around at some walk-in clinics, or find someone who practices naturopathy + allopathic medicine in your area and is sympathetic to those opposing mask mandates.

I wouldn’t let my child be harmed by a permanent decrease in oxygen. I would be pro-active, rather than reactive. If you try and go up against your school directly using the science you research, you might face a lot of pushback and that creates unnecessary stress.

Get an email list from your child’s PTA and send links to all parents on the detrimental effects and studies. Do as much research as you can to arm yourself with knowledge. Perhaps if you can get some parents on side you can create a situation where she isn’t the only unmasked child, where you have support from other parents.

Also here’s a pic of the mask info I would print onto an A4 several times, photocopy. Then you could leave them in various places. Common areas at work. School library. Waiting rooms. Foyers. The more people who know about the potential harm of masks, the better. We need allies in this fight, not enemies.

Have a few small brochures with links or images you when you go to the store etc.

I actually find that not wearing a mask and being purposefully friendlier to staff and clerks, they seem responsive and friendly not fearful. I don’t think people really want to wear masks at all. Some may, but not most.

Here’s a link to the mask image I uploaded for you.

https://ibb.co/KG4CJJ4

LKing
LKing
Oct 26, 2020 9:27 PM
Reply to  Researcher

Thanks for sharing all the helpful info.

My battle against the mask will also be tough with my daughter. She has been thoroughly propagandized to the point where she will try to pull my mask up for me if I pull it down below my nose. She gets extremely embarrassed and anxious if I go into a store without one in a neighboring county where masks are not required. Her dad is more passive about it but has the attitude “do whatever you have to do so other people are comfortable.” If I can win that battle, I will do whatever it takes in the fight against the school.

Litaba Mokhosi
Litaba Mokhosi
Oct 27, 2020 5:34 AM
Reply to  LKing

Governments like South Africa ignore Tanzania where masks are banned. COVID-19 has boycotted that nation until now.

LKing
LKing
Oct 27, 2020 4:39 PM
Reply to  Litaba Mokhosi

Thank you for referencing Tanzania. I hadn’t heard what they were doing, but just read an article from end of September saying they are essentially back to normal.

Jacques
Jacques
Oct 23, 2020 8:14 AM

Two pieces of information:

Below is a mortality graph from the Czech Republic. The blue line is actual mortality, the black is the average. Not only there is no trace of anything extraordinary this year, but also, and more importantly, mortality is lower than in previous years. About a half of what it was two years ago.

https://www.czso.cz/documents/10180/138290008/obypzcr102020_g2.xlsx/318aa8bb-59ec-4c14-924f-37cc660e76ce?version=1.1

MORE IMPORTANTLY, the Minister of Health who has been recently appointed to combat COVID and who is behind what has now come to a nearly complete lockdown, with restaurant, bars, shops, and just about everything closed, who makes pathetic appearances on TV begging people to wear face masks and obey the measures (the reality is that “cases are rising”, as everywhere, and some people – surprise, surprise – have colds, but nothing out of the ordinary is going down) has been caught coming out of a posh restaurant in Prague – without a mask of course – together with another apparatchik. This is a smoking gun that COVID-19 is total BULLSHIT as regards the medical side of it. Not worth an iota of further discussion. It’s a scheme to destroy the world as we know it, period. Please share widely. I hope that all the restaurants all over the world will open today with reference to this event.

https://www.idnes.cz/zpravy/domaci/prymula-koronavirus-poruseni-opatreni-restaurace-covid-cesko.A201023_081018_domaci_pmk

https://domaci.ihned.cz/c1-66834410-prymula-by-ve-stredu-v-noci-navzdory-zakazu-v-restauraci-opozice-chce-jeho-rezignaci

https://www.blesk.cz/

Jacques
Jacques
Oct 23, 2020 11:19 AM
Reply to  Jacques

Here is a clip from shooting a recent TV address. Observe the liberal use of facemasks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFhrxC_1chA&fbclid=IwAR3S0e783RA4HRNwRzsKwKxlg9DZumnEGmBERnMHcvdcdNPYDNKBjE8SHks

Preaching water, drinking wine …

And people are wasting time in arguing about a non-existent virus …

Eric van der Worp
Eric van der Worp
Oct 24, 2020 4:11 PM
Reply to  Jacques

Shared. Facebook says they restricted my account from commenting, but it seems I still can, but don’t you dare try share our leaders breaking their own rules!!!

Waldorf
Waldorf
Oct 23, 2020 4:23 PM
Reply to  Jacques

Again, as with examples elsewhere, the message that this is a terribly dangerous illness is contradicted by the behaviour of the messengers.

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 23, 2020 3:52 AM

One of the best journalists to ever write about the harmful effects of vaccines with an expose on the Anthrax vaccine and the squalene adjuvant that led to Gulf War Syndrome for the soldiers who went to Iraq, and who is the man who coined the phrase “fake news” is right on target today:

“The virus that isn’t there, genetic sequencing, and the magic trick

Oct22 by Jon Rappoport

Recently, I’ve written a series of articles revealing that the existence of the SARS-CoV-2 virus is unproven.

I’ve quoted key CDC and study documents that confess “the virus is unavailable.” Which is like an ice company saying they have no access to water.

I’ve published quotes from Dr. Tom Cowan’s major article exposing how CDC journal authors “assemble” the idea of a virus from cobbled sequences they ASSUME are parts of SARS-CoV-2. (Below, I reprint my article on Dr. Cowan’s shocking findings.)

Now, I want to make overall comments on the con, the game, the hustle.

The public, and most medical professionals, are awed by the whole concept of genetic sequencing. They accept the process as a holy of holies. If researchers in their lab claim they’ve “sequenced the virus,” the virus must exist. How else could its genetic structure have been discovered?

Of course, the virus doesn’t have to exist at all. We are talking about an illusion. Stage magic.

And if we could force him to explain his trick, the magician would say:

“Notice, I begin with a fragment of RNA I assume is part of a larger new virus. My assumption isn’t proven. I simply make the claim.”

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/10/19/dr-tom-cowan-explores-the-covid-virus-invented-out-of-sheer-nonsense/

The rest of his article and his whole series on this “virus” is worth reading.

The fraud is coming undone.

Mike Ellwood (Oxon UK)
Mike Ellwood (Oxon UK)
Oct 25, 2020 12:49 AM
Reply to  Researcher

Thanks very much for that link.

*Attention* – In the comments below that article, someone has posted a link to an uploaded copy of Tom Cowan’s and Sally Fallon’s book “The Contagion Myth”.

That link will only last for up to 7 days (probably much less by now), so hurry.
The justification for posting it was that Amazon has refused to sell the book.

NB if you do download from that link, please do consider buying the book as well, which I think you can do from Tom Cowan’s own website. I don’t have a link to hand, sorry.

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 25, 2020 2:39 AM

I’m reading it now. Download the book to your phones and devices. Share the book with your friends and family.

https://we.tl/t-D5HXLKNFPT

stella
stella
Oct 26, 2020 8:58 AM
Reply to  Researcher

I read the chapters for the viruses, Paster experiments and the chapter for 5G.
I am not convinced .Especially for the vaccination for chickenpox,measles and mumps they are absolutely wrong,because I saw the difference the last 30 years (mandatory vaccination for these three diseases)in the children around me .They are not getting ill with diseases any more as we were thirty years before when there wasn’t the vaccine available .
Also there are no evidence and proofs that these vaccine has serious consequences in children health.All these about autism are never proved .

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 26, 2020 1:07 PM
Reply to  stella

I actually don’t care what you think. At all. Go get a flu shot.

But I’m leaving this here for the other people who may read this thread.

There is nothing in the vaccine that can cause health, that could ever be considered healthy but there are known toxic ingredients that have been proven to cross the blood brain barrier. There’s no outbreaks of diseases in unvaccinated children. But there are toxic chemicals, pesticides and radiation in the environment that are absolutely unnecessary and make people and children in particular, very sick. Living or going to school near a cell tower increases your likelihood of cancer markedly.

The fact that the CDC or the vaccine manufacturers will not ever compare vaccinated populations to unvaccinated populations is proof enough. They won’t do that study because they know what will happen. The study will prove harm.

The fact that the US government had to make vaccine manufacturers immune from prosecution with a vaccine court where taxpayers fork out the proceeds of damages for the injured and dead children is more proof.

For the other people here who read this, watch these movies. Read this book.

A shot in the dark:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/ijI50EmoQZid/

Vaxxed:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/AhuaJ6c0moG9/

Vaxxed 2:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Bt2pVLJcx1ql/

Dissolving Illusions. Dr. Suzanne Humphries:
https://archive.org/details/SuzanneHumphriesMDDissolvingIllusionsDiseaseVaccinesAndTheForgottenHistory2013Pdf

stella
stella
Oct 27, 2020 6:35 AM
Reply to  Researcher

But I care what you think and I just write my doubts concerning the triple vaccine for chickenpox,measles and mumps,because I see the difference in my kids and the others ,they don’t get sick anymore from these three diseases after the vaccination. As for the flu shot I can say the opposite from my experience again.Because even that my child had the vaccine every year the last six years she became sick with the flu every year.
Maybe there is a difference between these diseases.

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 27, 2020 7:50 AM
Reply to  stella

There is no disease. There isn’t contagion. If they tried to give healthy people flu from sick people’s excretions and it didn’t work in three different experiments, then contagion is a myth. That’s why terrain theory is valid.

Different children respond differently to the same vaccines and to the same toxins and levels of environmental poisoning. Different children respond differently to low levels of Vitamin D. Each child is different because each person is different.

The flu vaccine can’t stop flu because flu is not a contagion. Do you know 48 people have died in South Korea from this year’s flu vaccine?

Give them a good quality C & D supplement during fall and winter, and feed them organic fruit and vegetables. And no processed food. You’ll see a difference in their health.

You want to put mercury into the body and brains of your children? It’s a neurotoxin.

Educate yourself.

Watch those movies. Especially a shot in the dark. Read the book. Stop living in denial.

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 27, 2020 10:53 AM
Reply to  stella

Here’s a video of a doctor explaining some of the problems with flu vaccines.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G8-YUuQyQ-M

He specifically addresses the three main causes of disease, which is my area of research; the treatment and eradication of disease through the use of phytomedicine.

  1. Chronic Inflammation
  2. Nutritional Deficiencies
  3. Inability to Detoxify

And he also addresses how the heavy metals in vaccines such as mercury and aluminum have been found in the brains, bones and organs of vaccinated patients. He also touches on the process of vaccine studies, where manufacturers do not test vaccines against a true placebo, such as saline, but they test new vaccines against other vaccines. That’s just fraud. They are rigging their studies so the vaccines seem safe when they know they are not. There’s no incentive to make vaccines safe because there’s no liability for the manufacturers.

stella
stella
Oct 29, 2020 7:32 AM
Reply to  Researcher

Very interesting,thank you.

BDBinc
BDBinc
Oct 23, 2020 1:34 AM

This is a lame controlled opposition debate on govt measures.
Facts still are there is no new virus and no new disease .
Its a 100% mental virus in the covid psyop.
https://notpublicaddress.wordpress.com/2020/10/19/controlled-opposition-2/

frank
frank
Oct 23, 2020 3:57 AM
Reply to  BDBinc

Thank you for saying that..needs to be said over and over

jkb
jkb
Oct 25, 2020 4:37 PM
Reply to  BDBinc

Yup. I always keep saying that no virus has ever been isolated. No virus, no disease. Period.

richard
richard
Oct 22, 2020 11:38 PM

Covid 19 virus has not been isolated-

Dr. Cowan:

“[The CDC journal article] was published in June 2020 [original publication, March 2020]. The purpose of the article was for a group of about 20 virologists to describe the state of the science of the isolation, purification and biological characteristics of the new SARS-CoV-2 virus, and to share this information with other scientists for their own research. A thorough and careful reading of this important paper reveals some shocking findings.”

“First, in the section titled ‘Whole Genome Sequencing,’ we find that rather than having isolated the virus and sequencing the genome from end to end, they found 37 base pairs from unpurified samples using PCR probes. This means they actually looked at 37 out of the approximately 30,000 of the base pairs that are claimed to be the genome of the intact virus. They then took these 37 segments and put them into a computer program, which filled in the rest of the base pairs.”

“To me, this computer-generation step constitutes scientific fraud. Here is an equivalency: A group of researchers claim to have found a unicorn because they found a piece of a hoof, a hair from a tail, and a snippet of a horn. They then add that information into a computer and program it to re-create the unicorn, and they then claim this computer re-creation is the real unicorn. Of course, they had never actually seen a unicorn so could not possibly have examined its genetic makeup to compare their samples with the actual unicorn’s hair, hooves and horn.”
“The researchers claim they decided which is the real genome of SARS-CoV-2 by ‘consensus,’ sort of like a vote. Again, different computer programs will come up with different versions of the imaginary ‘unicorn,’ so they come together as a group and decide which is the real imaginary unicorn.”

CDC- “’Therefore, we examined the capacity of SARS-CoV-2 to infect and replicate in several common primate and human cell lines, including human adenocarcinoma cells (A549), human liver cells (HUH 7.0), and human embryonic kidney cells (HEK-293T). In addition to Vero E6 and Vero CCL81 cells [monkey cells]. … Each cell line was inoculated at high multiplicity of infection and examined 24h post-infection. No CPE was observed in any of the cell lines except in Vero [monkey] cells, which grew to greater than 10 to the 7th power at 24 h post-infection. In contrast, HUH 7.0 and 293T showed only modest viral replication, and A549 cells [human cells] were incompatible with SARS CoV-2 infection’.”

jkb
jkb
Oct 25, 2020 4:44 PM
Reply to  richard

Studying the “isolation” of viruses, no wonder Dr Stefan Lanka wouldn’t want to be called a virologist. Virology is a scam.

Arby
Arby
Oct 22, 2020 9:25 PM

“Viral respiratory diseases transmit in closed facilities (hospitals, care homes, schools, etc.) having inadequate exhaust-ventilation, such as in cold climates or with air-conditioned spaces. Hot-climate spaces with natural ventilation are more ventilated.”

Viral? On the other hand, might it be the case that things like fresh air will impact on anyone’s health? Add in a lack of care/love in care homes. I don’t buy the ‘virus’ concept. It would take a lot at this point to convince me that virology isn’t a scam.

He also states: “unperturbed society.” On a planet that is experiencing environmental destruction (which ‘climate crisis’ is probably meant to hide), I’m not sure that you’ll find ‘any’ unperturbed society. The toxins are everywhere, including food (including breast milk). The destruction chain-reacts, or snowballs. What about all of those pharmaceuticals flushed down toilets that filters can’t filter out?

Other than that, Denis’s report here is interesting.

jkb
jkb
Oct 25, 2020 4:48 PM
Reply to  Arby

“It would take a lot at this point to convince me that virology isn’t a scam.”

Hopefully, others also see the fraud in this modern medicine.

Joshua Shalet
Joshua Shalet
Oct 22, 2020 8:04 PM

I highly recommend the quash podcast: it exposes the corona insanity from a lawyers perspective

Joshua Shalet
Joshua Shalet
Oct 22, 2020 8:00 PM

I will once again post my argument with YouTube personality Bob The Science Guy Dr Robert Townsend

Me:

Have you listened to the quash? 

I also have questions that I’d like you to attempt to answer after having listened to the quash podcast 

1.

Prove to me that there is an actual pandemic, not just that more than one person died from covid 19 

Use actual science 

2.

Prove that masks prevent infection and don’t cause long term health issues related to breathing 

Use actual science 

3.

Prove that even if there is a pandemic going around that is so contagious that no-one is immune from it, what exactly is the point of wearing a mask? 

Use actual medical science 

4.

Prove that the police have the right to arrest and kidnap me for not wearing a mask, even if there is a pandemic 

5. Prove that mask mandates are not an infringement of basic human rights

Use actual logic and reasoning that can stand in a court of law 

I reiterate, nothing about the official story that Fauci is giving us makes any sense 

Nobody was sworn in to testify, not in any medical court in the world 

It stands to reason that there is massive criminal collusion, a psychopathic agenda, because any medical lawyer could destroy Fauci and Bill Gates in mere minutes

Him:

Sorry I am not going to address this silliness. Wear your mask. That is actual science

Me:

Based on what exactly? 

It must confuse you that I don’t believe the earth is flat, but that I will not, cannot accept the bought and paid for narrative 

The covid19 narrative is a massive scam based on contrived and faulty data for the sole aim of massive expansion of government 

What is the science of wearing a mask? 

There isn’t any 

Prove me wrong, I’m listening

Him: Sorry not going there wear a mask 

Me: What is the science? 

Him:

Not going to play the ‘what is the science’ game. Start with the cdc website and go from there. Meanwhile wear you mask. 

Me:

Right: “shut up! Obey!” Can’t breathe? 30⁰c heat wave? Irrelevant

Carbon dioxide on OSHO meter? Also somehow irrelevant 

Him:

Yes absolutely irrelevant. Same with the co2 issue. Wear your mask

Me:

Please explain why it’s “absolutely irrelevant”

Him:

Because I just told you as someone that has worn a mask most of their adult life for hours at a time

Me:

Yeah, in air conditioning and you get paid 

Have you listened to the quash? 

I know you’re not a big fan of conspiracy theories (neither am I) 

If there really is a pandemic, we would see piles of bodies dropping dead 

We wouldn’t need the government to force us to close down entire economies 

Follow the money and power

NWO is real 

Bill Gates funds the CDC and the WHO 

This panic is manufactured so we’ll consent to his fake vaccines and world wide surveillance programmes 

Call me a lunatic

I don’t care anymore 

Him:

Quite frankly, neither do I. Have a good one. Wear your mask

Me:

There is no pandemic 

To suggest so as as absurd as believing that the earth is flat 

https://the-quash.captivate.fm/

Him

Provide the original peer reviewed studies. I’m not interested in someone’s take on the studies. Wear your mask 

Wow! Just wow! 

An idiot and a shill

Stick to debunking flat earthers because any idiot can do that 

I’m done with you 

I really thought you were reasonable 

But I can see now you’re just another normie incapable of rational thinking 

Also, you’re a hypocrite 

You sell masks while lecturing us about the ethics of Judy Mikovitz selling a book 

Good day to you

If you hadn’t ended your sentence with an order like a psychotic stasi drill sergeant, I might have obliged you 

Fuck you 

You self righteous, ignorant, cunt 

Him:

Wear your mask 

Me:

Wear your gag muzzle and GO FUCK YOURSELF

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Oct 22, 2020 6:56 PM
Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Oct 22, 2020 7:26 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Our politicians are being blackmailed. That explains the absolute inscrutability of what they are presenting to the public. There are no facts justifying what they are doing yet they are doing it bull headedly. Statistically there are no deaths.

A tremendous debate, full of insight. Really recommend it. John Waters is still forging towards his peak!

The World Health Organization has tried this scamdemic several times in the past and it failed. This time they were successful.

The reason Joe Normie has reached the correct conclusions in the past — but can’t now — is the media was a little bit honest.

Ten years ago the media could still report that swine flu and bird flu were hoax pandemics.

Whatever has happened there has been a massive consolidation in media power to make sure they were on board with this agenda.

The media is under economic attack from the Internet… and under political attack from cultural Marxism, so they were softened up.

There was one journalist, Ivan Yates of Newstalk, who was the strongest voice against the lockdown. And then, right in the middle, he retired. Riddle me that.

Dimly Glimpsed
Dimly Glimpsed
Oct 22, 2020 10:56 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Could you explain what you mean by “cultural Marxism”, exactly?

Thanks.

Waldorf
Waldorf
Oct 23, 2020 4:26 PM
Reply to  Dimly Glimpsed

The Nazis banged on about “cultural Bolshevism” and this is just the updated propaganda version.

Arby
Arby
Oct 25, 2020 7:14 PM
Reply to  Dimly Glimpsed

I wouldn’t mind knowing either. I see it everywhere. It’s like bitcoin. I’m clueless. But if those who know what those things are don’t want to tell me, in plain English (and more than a verbal grunt), that’s fine. I’ll just ignore it all. I’ve got things to do. I have the same issue with computer/internet geeks. When I screw up the courage to ask them for help, invariably I get answers that I have to ask the meaning of. Who wants to have that kind of discussion? Geeks are anti-social. (And they fit right in in this dark world.) They take the position that if you don’t know what they know, then there’s something wrong with you and you aren’t deserving of assistance. So they geek out in their geek bubbles and are almost never a part of the solution. I’m not the only one right now bemoaning the lack of alternatives when it comes to browsers and search engines. As for social media alternatives, yes they are there. But geekism is to be found in that realm as well. I can’t figure out most of them. Asking for assistance gets you nowhere. I stick with the simplest therefore. I use Bitchute. I’m on Brighteon and Brand New Tube but don’t really use those other than to now and then follow someone there. (That’s mainly because I don’t do my own video content. I don’t have the equipment or the privacy and I don’t have those things for the same reason. I’m dirt poor.) Even on Bitchute, for the last two days I’ve waited for a video to upload so I can share the info in it with my cousin who lives a long distance from me (Toronto to Prescott) but the video won’t finish processing. I’ve already redone it. That sometimes works. Still nothing. I never sent my cousin the email I intended to send him for that reason.

Eric van der Worp
Eric van der Worp
Oct 24, 2020 4:19 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus
richard
richard
Oct 22, 2020 7:36 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Huh! I was just flicking thru brand new tube vids for something to watch and came across john waters (who I’d never heard of b4) – a 35min vid of him talking to camera -vg

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Oct 22, 2020 8:19 PM
Reply to  richard

Love affair between youth and authority.

The young take their cue from authority now. The rebellious youth that we used to have… if this had happened 20 years ago I don’t think they would have been able to pull it off.

The young people would have ribbed each other saying, “I was on a bus and I didn’t wear a mask”. “Gwaan, you rebel!” Now you walk into a shop and there’s a security guy at the door with an earpiece… we are becoming this hyper-ordered society when we were in the nineties very chilled out.

A lot of young people don’t have a strong father figure in their life. They seem very infantilized. They look to the state as a mother or father figure and here’s this disciplinarian figure coming out to chastise them for having a house party with seven people instead of six. 

— Computing Forever

And John Waters’ view:

The ones most in thrall to these authoritarians are the young people who have been indoctrinated. I’ve noticed this about these generations, particularly the journalists, they obey the call of authority.

In the 80s we saw our calling to challenge authority. They see their responsibility to be spokespersons for authority. They no longer stick to the protocols, like you have to check your facts or you get both sides of the story or ringing somebody and saying, ‘this is going in the paper tomorrow, what have you got to say’. All these codes and protocols of the profession have gone out the window.

Between the old people who are afraid dying and the young people who are so reverential towards authority there’s almost nobody left in the middle.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Oct 22, 2020 9:05 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

John Waters:

“The most terrifying conclusion from Stanley Milgram’s experiment was not that people were willing to torture others. It was why they were willing. Milgram had told them that the experiment was for the good of society. People are willing to do great evil if they are told it’s for the good.

[Instead of confronting the conclusions of Milgram’s work, academics prefer to discuss the ethics of whether he should have conducted the experiment at all.]

Now we tell people one Covid death is worth hundreds of other lives. It’s a pseudo tenderness that Flannery O’Connor talked about.

Apply this to the artists and the philosophers. They have been part of the cultural Marxist philosophy for 40 or 50 years, leading up to the climate agenda.

They are so immersed in those pseudo ideas that they cannot see the elderly woman of 82 who is moved on from a park bench because the policeman tells her you cannot sit down while you are out for exercise… they think she’s a fascist because by insisting on her right to rest on a bench she is killing a person from Covid or climate change.

Do you see the equation they are setting up? That this woman is the enemy of progress, of inclusivity, of diversity, of sustainability, of the continuance of the species on the planet.

This is what they have succeeded in doing. So I can envisage a situation that when the penny drops that we have arrived in Nazi, Soviet Ireland… that the artists and philosophers who we expect to stand up and say “we missed this,” will instead remain silent: because their silence is in favour of dealing with climate change.

To them it is far more important than the safety, the freedom, the humanity of the people. And they have become convinced of that to such an extent that their conviction is now lethal to the human race.”

Dimly Glimpsed
Dimly Glimpsed
Oct 22, 2020 11:01 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

with a few exceptions, mostly on the left, today’s journalists seem to think of themselves as partisan warriors, fighting heroically for their side– which of course isn’t “traditional journalism”, but is better, because our side (whatever that may be) is blessed and good.

Guy
Guy
Oct 22, 2020 9:47 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

I really enjoyed this interview with John Waters .Don’t anyone despair ,the pitch forks have yet to come out and then watch the bastards crawl back into their holes.

ame
ame
Oct 23, 2020 1:33 PM
Reply to  Guy

pitchforks your joking not by watching his video’s quick brief history
This ginger knob (video creep creator) was a computer geek and got converted radicalized into being a political right leaning puppet. Even found Jesus 

How come there still credible or reliable? When all he has done is sell you freedumb via bellit the last few years and tried and did radicalize you.

He and his ilk helped get Bs19 here quicker aka i love establishment we need a master endorser. ginger guy is a whore of the Establishment. paid by the Establishment.
how is this radicalized ginger mind control victim who is still seriously under psychosis now a expert on all things…

Amnesia is massive the slave always run back to his or her oppressor and repeat

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 22, 2020 6:56 PM

Got my little 2 second blast from the Beeb there. A “digital Christmas” eh? Oh and the usual “skyrocketing figures, new rate of infections, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.”

Obviously they’re just going to keep going. doesn’t matter about credibilty. We could all be sunbathing on a beach and they’ll come out and scream “The corpses the corpses!”

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
Oct 22, 2020 6:25 PM

Anderson’s insistence upon IFR figures from March, against Dr Ioannidis’s recent study, should tell anyone in doubt how reliable he is. 🙂

Felix Culpa
Felix Culpa
Oct 22, 2020 6:21 PM

Bravo, Dr. Rancourt, you hit the ball out of the park. Your perspicacity on this our weaponized virus almost makes one glad our desperate oligarchy pulled their stunt born of their money privilege. We owe to their machinations your stepping up to the plate.
Care homes unapologetically outed as Killing Fields.. Rancourt bids fair to rescue Canada’s reputation from the toilet.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Oct 22, 2020 5:58 PM

UK Column News – 21st October 2020
PART ONE

UK GOV IS LYING ABOUT DAILY DEATHS IN UK
Cancer deaths running at 450
Alzheimer’s, Dementia 192
Heart Disease 174
Stroke 99
Covid, flu 21

The entire NHS has been oriented away from any disease except for Covid. That is where the excess mortality is coming from

OFFICE FOR NATIONAL STATISTICS BY PLACE OF DEATH, Week 41
Compared to the five year average, fewer people are dying in hospital and care homes than in previous years.
But deaths at home massively exceed deaths in the past five years.
Brian Gerrish: If UKC can find this data, why can’t the UK Gov? It’s lying deliberately.

IF DEATHS ARE NOT UP, WHAT ABOUT TESTS?
Proposal for the management of weak positive (high Ct value) PCR results in the setting of mass testing of asymptomatic individuals for SARS V1.108.10.2020

“It is increasingly apparent that SARS-CoV-2 RNA remains detectable in upper respiratory tract samples from some patients for many weeks.”

The UK Gov claims you have died from Covid if you had it in your system in the previous 28 days. This Irish document seems to contradict that.

“In individuals infected with SARS-CoV-2, PCR can often detect viral RNA for many days and weeks after the resolution of the clinical syndrome.”

That’s before you account for the nonsense of cycles of PCR amplification.

Yorkshire moves to Tier 3 from Saturday.
Sheffield Mayor says hospital admissions have doubled in 10 days.

Excess mortality graphs show that, excluding the lockdown deaths from weeks 13-23, the level of mortality is unchanged from previous years.

DOUBLE WHAMMY OF
FALSIFICATION OF DATA +++ UN/GLOBAL POLICE TRAINING

CONTINENTALS PRESS AHEAD OF BRITISH
Alex Thomson: Continental press and mainstream medics are openly questioning the PCR test.

RIP KARY MULLIS
The PCR is the clearly the Achilles heel. When TPTB wished Dr Mullis on his way, they must have thought they’d got Covid nailed in practice and narrative. 

COST OF COVID TEST GBP 80
One-hour result could be even less reliable than PCR.
Hong Kong now demanding a negative test taken in previous 72 hours.
UK proposes one week’s isolation followed by a test.
Transport Minister Grant Shapps MP calls for a global system, same in each country.

CRACKS IN THE GLOBALIST FRONT
Manchester mayor Andy Burnham protests as the north of England is turned into a for-profit prison. The gov offered Manchester barely enough to compensate for lost earnings.
Alex Thomson says if you take Burnham at his word, he was angry at the “M62 Corridor” lockdown.

MET POLICE ASKS FOR NAMES AND ADDRESSES
Aim is to stop households mixing by ensuring Rule of Six applies only to people from the same Support Bubble.
Met also says it will spy through Facebook to check people’s activities.
Met boss Cressida Dick was brainwashed by the political charity Common Purpose whose mantra is that people should be “acting beyond authority”, which is CP’s motto. Breaking the law is good. If you’re a cop.

PEOPLE’S RIGHT TO DELIBERATE ON LAWS
DECREES ARE NOT LEGAL
Alex Thomson says this might have sounded like simple leadership training until you realise that CP has a network of control. Even if courts strike down ad hoc decrees as unlawful, CP’s mantra is “do it anyway”.

Thomson says the people’s strength lies in Common Law — rule by decree cannot override Common Law if you bring it to a supreme court. Crowdfunding a legal challenge: “The Coronavirus Act 2020 is Null and Void!”

Simon Dolan is also challenging through the High Court. Their lawyers says they have an Article 9 case that the Speaker’s counsel of the UK Parliament can and must defend the legislature’s privileges under the Bill of Rights. There is due to be an announcement by the Speaker, advised by his counsel, on Oct 29, asserting the inalienable privilege of the people and their representatives to deliberate on laws in Parliament.

A second route for crowdfunding is: “Join the legal challenge to the UK government lockdown”.
Both challenges are on https://www.crowdjustice.com/

ISRAEL TO TRAIN UK POLICE
Met chief Cressida Dick has contempt for Parliament but remarkably approves private vigilante police forces, so long as they are “on the right side”. On a trip to Australia she met with Jewish representatives and praised their Community Security Trust.

Dick’s deputy Neil Basu is in Israel this week discussing technology and training. Israeli trainers have been accused of helping to militarize U.S. police, in particular introducing the knee on neck technique that became so notorious this summer.

NON-PLAYER CHARACTERS (NPCs)
Common Purpose drones are the classic NPCs. These are ideologues whose loyalties are to private networks. Thus they have no dialogue with the public or citizen or, as we have seen, with Parliament. Thus you cannot reason with them. You can only stop them.

UK GOV TO FILM FISHERMEN
Consultative document on whether UK should monitor fishermen while they work to further reduce the UK’s catch. All very sustainable of course but doing nothing to combat over fishing by boats of other nations.

It seems that there will be no pot at the end of the rainbow for Britain’s fishermen. Like farmers, the money saved from leaving the EU will be ploughed into carbon initiatives and set aside rather than food production.

FACEBOOK CENSORS UKC
“Your post goes against our community standards. Misinformation that could cause physical harm could make some people feel unsafe on Facebook.”
Live streaming was apparently blocked – perhaps by Nick Clegg former Liberal Democrat leader who earns a million pounds a year from Facebook.

AV11.1, Oct 31-Nov 1, 2020
https://alternativeview.co.uk

UK Column — UK Column News – 21st October 2020

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Oct 22, 2020 6:25 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

UK Column News – 21st October 2020
PART TWO

This propaganda series in The Daily Telegraph poses as an agony aunt column but the wooden writing points to 77th Brigade.

My husband is a Covid conspiracy theorist and it’s driving a wedge between us — Telegraph, Oct 19, 2020

Similar articles are churned out to order by hacks in other rags:
‘Real men don’t wear masks’: The link between masculinity and face coverings – Independent, Oct 22, 2020

The Guardian was the trail blazer in these stories: Men are less likely to wear masks – another sign that toxic masculinity kills — Grauniad, May 2020

Spot the common theme? Behavioural psychologists have decided that men are more likely to resist the government so they’re being attacked from within, their families turned against them.

richard
richard
Oct 22, 2020 7:52 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Yeah.. Masculinity kills toxic viruses.

“We just squish ’em”

dtoc
dtoc
Oct 22, 2020 7:12 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

450 per day from cancer, and no one blinks an eye….here in the US, our daily cancer rate is 1,644. No one cares, yet everyone is masked, distant, freaking out about the common cold. Meanwhile, a future cancer diagnosis is waiting around the corner for the majority. Truly unbelievable.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Oct 22, 2020 9:41 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

RIP KARY MULLIS

The PCR is the clearly the Achilles heel. When TPTB wished Dr Mullis on his way, they must have thought they’d got Covid nailed in practice and narrative. 

RIP David Crowe also, who was on to this from the word go. Unsurprisingly, since he had seen it all before with the original SARS, AIDS, etc. :

https://theinfectiousmyth.com/book/CoronavirusPanic.pdf

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Oct 23, 2020 6:08 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

@MC: “ISRAEL TO TRAIN UK POLICE
Met chief Cressida Dick has contempt for Parliament but remarkably approves private vigilante police forces. Dick’s deputy Neil Basu is in Israel this week discussingtraining. Israeli trainers have been accused of helping to militarize U.S. police, in particular introducing the knee on neck technique that became so notorious this summer.”

Don’t forget the aim at head technique. The last lot of bobbies sent to Israel for training pumped 11 bullets into the head of an innocent tourist on their return to London.

ame
ame
Oct 23, 2020 5:26 PM
Reply to  Dr NG Maroudas

your post is anti semitic

Manny Goldstein
Manny Goldstein
Oct 26, 2020 8:53 PM
Reply to  ame

Your post is anti logic

Denis Rancourt
Denis Rancourt
Oct 22, 2020 5:07 PM

My ref.5 video has already been censored! Here is link that still works:
https://odysee.com/@lestu-dio:d/covid-19-criminal-mismanagement-randy:2

Joshua Shalet
Joshua Shalet
Oct 22, 2020 8:02 PM
Reply to  Denis Rancourt

What do you think of my email to Bob the Science guy? I’d love you to destroy him

Guy
Guy
Oct 23, 2020 2:51 PM
Reply to  Denis Rancourt

Thank you /merci Denis .Well done to be sure .You are one of the brighter lights on the truth in Canada as Mr.Randy Hillier .Best regards from Manitoba.

Eric van der Worp
Eric van der Worp
Oct 24, 2020 5:03 PM
Reply to  Denis Rancourt

I’m watching it on youtube now, but it’s definitely censored – 50 views in a week!! Crazy youtube shadowbanning…

Maxwell
Maxwell
Oct 22, 2020 3:56 PM

The US is in free fall. This was occurring long before Covid Mania was engineered but now it is moving with great velocity.

The collapse started in 2008 and attempts to salvage this Leviathan have been failures only delaying the inevitable. Fast forward to 2019 and the crisis began to unravel again. There was a dramatic decrease in industrial production and then showed up in the banking crisis of August of 2019- the so-called Repo crisis when suddenly banks started to refuse US sovereign debt instruments as collateral of overnight loans forcing the Federal Reserve to step in and basically print money to cover this massive shortage.

So by the time the “Corona virus” appeared the economy of the United States and many other Western countries were in full blown collapse.

The “Corona virus” has proven to be very useful (showed up just in time) by political leaders to mask (metaphor and reality) what was going on. The economic destruction that it is being blamed for is absolutely extraordinary.

Tuttu
Tuttu
Oct 22, 2020 4:03 PM
Reply to  Maxwell

My work is done,

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Oct 22, 2020 3:16 PM

That was a quite intelligent read. Five stars for this article:)

Paul Nicholls
Paul Nicholls
Oct 22, 2020 2:16 PM

Endnote 5 is a link to a Youtube video that is set to private. I don’t have a Youtube account. Could you please post such videos to bitchute or LBRY?

Peter Paul
Peter Paul
Oct 22, 2020 3:48 PM
Reply to  Paul Nicholls

So how can they collect names?

Denis Rancourt
Denis Rancourt
Oct 22, 2020 5:39 PM
Reply to  Denis Rancourt

It was censorsed bt submission and publication…!

TwinPeak
TwinPeak
Oct 22, 2020 1:49 PM

The far-right CIA have been at war with socialism and civil rights and social justice for decades. It murders and slurs its champions, and misrepresents its causes and aims.
Just imagine for a moment that two men of a left wing political persuasion became incredibly wealthy, not born out of the aristocracy or the elite, self made, with memories of normal life and hardship, and just well intentioned.

Bill gates, tries to end disease in the third world and George Soros tries to invest in political civil rights movements, perhaps because he genuinely believes he can use his wealth for the good of mankind. Yes, they are both ruthless businessmen but that would not clash with their belief that they can do good. How would the CIA and the deep state depict these people? You need to ask yourself that because I’m not sure they would be left alone. Maybe they would try to destroy them like they murdered dedicated civil rights leaders of the 60’s, maybe they would just use them as targets for their alternative distraction narrative? How would Martin Luther King be depicted today? A vandal, a criminal, traitor, a detested figure and a corrupt womaniser perhaps? I may be wrong but we should question everything.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Oct 22, 2020 3:22 PM
Reply to  TwinPeak

I just can’t imagine what you’re able to, Twin Peaks. Billionaire imperialists using their “wealth for the good of mankind”? Unimaginable.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Oct 22, 2020 3:59 PM
Reply to  TwinPeak

Down vote for pushing the ridiculous left-right facade like beating a dead horse. What we are seeing is a war between malevolent, satanic elitist parasites, of whom less than 1000 “own” well over half the planet, and basically decent, if often confused, humans.

Toto
Toto
Oct 22, 2020 4:18 PM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

You cling to your demons if you like.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Oct 22, 2020 4:42 PM
Reply to  Toto

And you may cling to your illusions. Stay in the Matrix.

Denis Rancourt
Denis Rancourt
Oct 22, 2020 5:41 PM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

Ya, I was reticent, but the crap just goes on and on, so I decided to step in.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Oct 22, 2020 7:18 PM
Reply to  Denis Rancourt

All one needs to know about the scamdemic in one long paragraph 🙂

COVD-SARS-2 has never been proven to exist. None of Koch’s postulates or Rivers amendments have been completed honestly. The world’s governments have spent trillions of money they did not have on the scamdemic, yet not a cent on proving Koch’s postulates for “the virus.” The rt-PCR diagnostic test, and its consequent CASES is a bad joke. It is designed to carry the fear and restrictions through to the next seasonal flu. Kary Mullis died only months before the rollout of the scandemic, ironically of pneumonia, or he would have expanded his vocabulary even beyond his excoriation of Robert Gallo for the HIV hoax for the abuse of his invention. The fear and panic of the populous has been accomplished by (as recommended by the ghost of Josef Goebbels) huge statistical lies which have been blared out on the shitstream media constantly. The deaths have been caused by co-morbidities listed as CV-1984 through both coercion and bribery of doctors and hospital administrators, ventilators as instruments of execution, “traditional” flu season illnesses, and by people electrosenitive to the 5G rollout, and specifically the 60 GHz component which is absorbed by O2 and changes its quantum electronic energy orbitals so that it cannot bind to hemoglobin. At the start of the scamdemic Wuhan, China had just rolled out its 5G, and there were more transmitters in that city itself than all of the USA at that time. The symptoms of this component is similar to very high altitude sickness which is quite different than the flu or pneumonia. The overall aim of the scandemic is to destroy the middle class, make the world safe for über fascism beyond Orwell’s worst nightmares, and as a cover for the breakdown of the Keynesian economic system, the start of which was indicated by the “Repocalyse” on Wall Street in September of last year. It is being orchestrated by a Death Cult that has infiltrated over the centuries into the main fulcra of both corporate and government control. Though in our now fascist planet, no difference exists between them.Thank you.

THX-1143
THX-1143
Oct 22, 2020 9:02 PM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

people electrosenitive to the 5G rollout, and specifically the 60 GHz component which is absorbed by O2 and changes its quantum electronic energy orbitals so that it cannot bind to hemoglobin. At the start of the scamdemic Wuhan, China had just rolled out its 5G, and there were more transmitters in that city itself than all of the USA at that time. The symptoms of this component is similar to very high altitude sickness which is quite different than the flu or pneumonia.

please post references for this claim.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Oct 22, 2020 10:35 PM
Reply to  THX-1143

A YT video by Dr Tom Cowan and Sally Fallon talks about this (maybe not in the exact same terms). It’s discussed in more detail in their book “The Contagion Myth”. I haven’t read it though.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Oct 22, 2020 11:31 PM
Reply to  THX-1143

The lazy way is:
The Contagion Myth, Nook electronic version, Cowan and Morell, pp 35-41. The claims in the these pages are footnoted. The Invisible Rainbow by Arthur Firstenberg is an amazing book and about the last quarter of it is just references. It is a real eye opener and he extensively correlates pandemics over the last 2 and a half centuries with sudden quantum leaps in increased amounts of EMF that people are exposed to. Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell, an ICU physician in a NYC hospital posted a youtube video where he describe the symptoms of some of his patients as unlike any sort of flu or pneumonia he had seen in fairly extensive experience. He describe the symptoms as what one would expect if the patient had been suddenly taken from NYC to the summit of Mount Everest. He got booted from the ICU for that video.

I don’t agree with everything Kyle-Sidell says, but he is certainly courageous, caring, and smart. He blames this “new disease” on a virus that is producing symptoms unlike anything he has ever seen. It never entered his mind that it could be caused by a toxin. I also don’t agree with his partial defense of ventilators. Ventilators were used because they were afraid to administer standard oxygen because the virus was so contagious and deadly. (So contagious and deadly that you need a fake test to know if you have it.) Another view on this may be had by the “undercover nurse,” Erin Marie Olszewski, another courageous, caring, and smart health care worker. (Also movie star beautiful.) She said that the only patient that survived the ventilators in the Queens, NY hospital where she worked during her stay was a heavy opioid addict. The only reason he survived was that the opioid drug they used to put him into a coma was ineffective for him, and he ripped the tube out of his throat.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZgUFa48P5fwZ/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZgUFa48P5fwZ/

Youtube pulled these videos but left the “debunking” videos.

Finally, I am not saying that the critical hypoxia symptoms that Kyle-Sidell and others describe are caused by 5G beyond a shadow of a doubt. But I am saying that there is a large amount of evidence to support it. Furthermore the governments and social media oligarch go ballistic when anyone suggests it. You know what the WWII pilots used to say about taking heavy flak.

This was suppose to be a two sentence response to your inquiry 🙁

Guy
Guy
Oct 23, 2020 5:50 PM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

I am a researcher in frequency medicine ,specifically the work of Royal Raymond Rife and related .Have been for many years and for the record, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that frequency affects all living forms , in either beneficial or for ill effects.
There is presently an initiative in the US ,by Robert F Kennedy re FCC : https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/robert-kennedy-jr-assembles-legal-team-to-sue-fcc-over-wireless-health-guidelines/

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Oct 23, 2020 6:04 PM
Reply to  Guy

Agree. As the CIA Handbook starts out under Wave-Particle Duality:
Wave–particle duality is the concept in quantum mechanics that every particle or quantum entity may be described as either a particle or a wave. It expresses the inability of the classical concepts “particle” or “wave” to fully describe the behaviour of quantum-scale objects.

The entire universe is built on frequency and solid matter is simply a human sense illusion rationalizing condensed energy vibratory fields, In that sense Einstein got it right with his E=mc^2. But most people are still in the age of Newton.

I have been hearing great things about Royal Raymond Rife and I think I will finally look into his work, especially as he outranks Barron Trump 🙂

Guy
Guy
Oct 23, 2020 8:52 PM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

This documentary should aquaint anyone that is willing to spend a few hours watching the historical life of the man called Royal Raymond Rife with his discoveries and accomplishments .
Cheers !
https://archive.org/details/RoyalRaymondRife

Eric van der Worp
Eric van der Worp
Oct 24, 2020 5:05 PM
Reply to  Guy

Thank you!! Super awesome, watching now, in the queue : ) so much to watch, so little time !!

Howard
Howard
Oct 22, 2020 4:51 PM
Reply to  TwinPeak

Regarding Bill Gates: you really do need to view James Corbett’s superb report on this “self-made” billionaire. We should all face such “hardships” as he did.

Lorie
Lorie
Oct 22, 2020 6:01 PM
Reply to  TwinPeak

Bill Gates self-made? Um. No. do a little research on him.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Oct 22, 2020 6:10 PM
Reply to  TwinPeak

“Billy Eugenics is not really a CIA asshole, he just plays one TV.”

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“Now who wants to go out for some Euthanasia Death Shots?”

Kitty
Kitty
Oct 22, 2020 6:15 PM
Reply to  TwinPeak

If Gates wanted to end disease in Africa he could use his money and influence to make life better, clean water etc. Children are not dying through lack of vaccines it’s lack of clean water, sanitation, hunger and poverty.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Oct 22, 2020 7:11 PM
Reply to  Kitty

Actually all the “credits assets” that corporate fascist oligarch mobster psychopath parasite stole from THE PEOPLE should be reclaimed/reapportioned back to them and used for the good of HUMANITY.

DomoebaMalingera
DomoebaMalingera
Oct 22, 2020 1:41 PM

I do not do Facecrack but I looked at a short vid a friend sent a link to, of his friend explaining that he sent his test back without using it and guess what? It was positive…..I am more and more convinced that there really is NO virus………….only parasites.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Oct 22, 2020 4:07 PM

You simply do not understand the new science. One may be “infected” by email and internet contact. They have hybridized the biological virus causing cv-1984 with a highly refined internet virus. The latter was extracted from the sputum in a sample of Window 10.

Joshua Shalet
Joshua Shalet
Oct 22, 2020 8:05 PM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

Really? They might as well practice voodoo!

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Oct 22, 2020 9:14 PM
Reply to  Joshua Shalet

I hate to add the /s after my sardonic posts as it nice to have some readers pause for a second before it sinks in. For some that never happens regardless of the pause.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Oct 22, 2020 10:27 PM
Reply to  richard

We should not be surprised:

https://theinfectiousmyth.com/book/CoronavirusPanic.pdf

David Crowe called it correctly from the word go.

Zendem
Zendem
Oct 22, 2020 1:20 PM

This site is a wonderful place for letting off stream, talking about the truth and venting ones anger at the systems lies, but essentially it is a honey pot, willingly or not, to mop up what remains of independent thinkers, the dissidents. It is a virtual ‘Epstein island’, where we are all enticed into committing ‘thought crimes’ against the deep state, as traitors of the true orthodoxy.

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 22, 2020 2:06 PM
Reply to  Zendem

Interesting theory. Are you suggesting that OffG is deliberately gathering COVID heretics to eventually “rat us all in”?

S Cooper
S Cooper
Oct 22, 2020 2:37 PM
Reply to  George Mc

If any there is anything the late Joseph Heller will be known for is this one. “Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t after you.”
That is a possibility. But do not go too overboard with it. Unless one wants to end up like some of the flu-zombies with diapers over their faces.

“Fear of germs why these fucking pussies.”
~ George Carlin.

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 22, 2020 3:39 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

I don’t think we’ll see the likes of GC again. Imagine the shrieks of horror at this “sociopath” who just doesn’t care about all the dying people!.

Tuttu
Tuttu
Oct 22, 2020 3:58 PM
Reply to  George Mc

You people spend all day writing about the horrors of tyranny, the lies, the corruption, the surveillance state, yet, when you come here, you declare it to be a ‘holy place’ existing in a parallel universe of virtue and secrecy, excluded from the 100% surveillance, which you say exists everywhere else. You risk looking like gullible fools.

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 22, 2020 6:52 PM
Reply to  Tuttu

“You risk looking like gullible fools.”

To whom?

richard
richard
Oct 22, 2020 8:21 PM
Reply to  Tuttu

so it’s say nothing and suffer or say something and suffer or maybe it’s say bullshit and get paid for it by mr. soros.

wardropper
wardropper
Oct 22, 2020 9:26 PM
Reply to  Tuttu

No, we don’t do that 🙂
None of it.
“You people” indeed…
“Holy place”, indeed…
Who the hell are you, anyway?

Waldorf
Waldorf
Oct 23, 2020 4:37 PM
Reply to  Tuttu

I don’t think this is a “holy place” and nobody has said that. It is a useful watering hole on the Web for people rejecting the Covid nuttiness, even if it attracts occasional weirdoes of a different type.

Sol
Sol
Oct 22, 2020 4:40 PM
Reply to  George Mc

This is the worldwide web, so obviously with if they like it or or not, all the data they collect is monitored and analyzed by third parties.
Web providers force so called “cookies” which are mini apps designed to harvest data which the network provider than resell to internet mining companies/pigtech
Off Guardian is one of the very few sites left which does not prompt its readers with special cookies requests and for it I must say Thank you Off Guardians.
But to think that its data should be spared from the inquisitions of pigTech I think not realistic.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Oct 22, 2020 2:13 PM
Reply to  Zendem

Do you know any people not online (family, friends, neighbors, colleagues) with whom you can discuss “current events” in person. As the saying goes ORGANIZE, ORGANIZE, ORGANIZE.

Waldorf
Waldorf
Oct 23, 2020 4:32 PM
Reply to  Zendem

I rule out few things in this world, but this seems to me on a par with Elsa saying to her husband “Don’t go to the underground meeting tonight” in Casablanca. Shit may happen, so hide under the bed. A virus may get you so stay in lockdown forever…
I am not so brave myself but watching the WSWS etc. wet their pants and expect everyone else to does not make me inclined to imitate them.

0use4msm
0use4msm
Oct 22, 2020 1:15 PM

Medicine most everywhere has been modelled into a state religion, which creates an unhealthy dependence, and a debilitating perception of one’s own body and place in the world.

Welcome to Covidianity.

I see a parallel with the religious transition from the Classical era to the Middle Ages. In the Classical era of Greece and Rome, the so-called “pagan” religions (the term is a Christian smear) were what we’d call grassroots: decentralized, personal and totally devoid of dogma. As long as your beliefs posed no threat to the existing political order, you were free to worship whom and however you liked. Contrast that with the centralized and authoritarian state dogma that was Christianity after the Council of Nicea (325 CE): forced conversions, the destruction of temples and libraries (such as Alexandria), book burnings, the closing of philosophical schools, etc. The word Catholic literally means “universal”, rather like the politico-economic “T.I.N.A.” globalism we have today.

Until fairly recently, healthcare was a private affair. To be sure, there was corruption by Big Pharma based on the Rockerfeller revolution of allopathic medicine, but your health was a still a personal choice, a matter between you and your doctor. The coming Great Reset will have the same effect on healthcare that the Council of Nicea had on religion: top-down and authoritarian, as a means of controlling each and every individual. The new paradigm will be the dogma of bio-security rather than actual healthcare, to be fused with other security fronts in the never-ending global conflict. Come the Fourth Industrial Revolution of Klaus Schwab and his ilk, physical consultation with human doctors will be phased out in favour of infallible A.I. analysing your personal DNA/RNA stored in a central database. Any genetic sequence considered heresy will be enough to deny your freedom in any way the new medical inquisition sees fit.

O tempora, o mores.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Oct 22, 2020 1:54 PM
Reply to  0use4msm

0use4msm: Absolutely spot on analysis.

“The coming Great Reset will have the same effect on healthcare that the Council of Nicea had on religion: top-down and authoritarian, as a means of controlling each and every individual.”

The authoritative (and dogmatic) christian regime has destroyed the role of the true individualist, and replaced them with up votes on Facebook. Let’s keep burning and drowning witches…

Sol
Sol
Oct 22, 2020 3:10 PM
Reply to  0use4msm

The book burning done by wikipedia, google, facebook, twitter, amazon, microsoft, intel and company is in full, swing.

S.M.A.R.T (Self-Monitoring, Analysis and Reporting Technology) spying on every mobile communication device, is providing the technocrats with infinite amount of informations on anybody using their devices.
With the advent of microwave based transmissions devices they are now able to use the all S.M.A.R.T devices, into radar transmitters which in turn allows who ever can accede the data, to see on a 3d animation the inside of any room as well as the location of individuals, now recognizable via their own prerecorded and digitalized frequency.

https://www.engineering.com/IOT/ArticleID/19354/Wireless-Movement-Tracking-System-Collects-Health-and-Behavioral-Data.aspx

The dystopian reality is upon us, we are forced to give up our rights and now being pushed into a to tight funnel which is already irreversibly cracking up.

Humanity is now globally forced to see and experience an horrific reality which as it manifests, shows its very carcinogenic essence and core.
And eventually, like any cancer which becomes detectible or visible, will have to be forcefully neutralized or removed.

Understanding vs dogma,
only the first one can set us free.

Jean Wilson
Jean Wilson
Oct 23, 2020 2:37 AM
Reply to  0use4msm

“medical inquisition” – that is a good description of what is happening now.

Pertly
Pertly
Oct 22, 2020 12:56 PM

All Europe is co-ordinating its oppressive measures to climax on the day of the US election, even here we are feeling the monumental shift, the shockwaves of the fracture radiating out from America’s core, because we are all vassals of Empire.

It feels like the very fabric of space itself is shifting, because the US is undergoing a fundamental change, in what is the commination of a 20 year slow rolling fascist coup.

This is the final stage, and the US is moving to dictatorship at the point of it’s own economic collapse, we are simply bracing ourselves, locking down all freedoms in deference to the new demons, who will be taking power. Democracy is dead, freedom is dead, the fascist are coming out of the shadows. The republic is dead, hail Caesar!

mgeo
mgeo
Oct 22, 2020 12:55 PM

Prof. Tim should just explain how Belarus and almost all of Africa managed. And how SARS died out despite being deadly.

And he should take care not to bad-mouth neo-liberalism if he does not want to attract the attention of CIA.

Hail
Hail
Oct 22, 2020 7:10 PM
Reply to  mgeo

The case of Belarus is especially instructive in that a long-run review shows Wuhan-Corona vs. the effects of the economic and social dislocations of the Soviet collapse:

https://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/2020/10/22/against-the-corona-panic-part-xviii-lessons-from-no-lockdown-belarus-on-the-wuhan-corona-flu-wave-the-total-mortality-impact-is-in-line-with-previous-peak-flu-waves-and-dwarfed-by-effects-of-soviet/
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gorden
gorden
Oct 22, 2020 12:11 PM

virus novel virus
what is a virus
what was pasteur v beachamp
what is he terrain
what is 5g
what is breaching blood brain barrier

what’s a novel?

is 1964 a brave new world
is WE a novel
fahrenheit 451
catcher in the rye
around and around the merry go round

when did the lies begin
babylon
when will they end

the germ theory the basis for the biggest industry today
medicull farma pharma
the germ theory is all waffle
pure shite

Howard
Howard
Oct 22, 2020 5:11 PM
Reply to  gorden

Samuel Johnson struck his foot against a stone, thereby refuting Bishop Berkley’s “sophistry to prove the non-existence of matter” (as reported by James Boswell).

I have developed – once again – shingles on my right knee. Thereby I refute the non-existence of germs.

Or is my knee simply detoxing itself?

Le Gaiagénaire
Le Gaiagénaire
Oct 23, 2020 12:12 AM
Reply to  Howard

Conflict of separation. Tracks. Contact: https://www.facebook.com/groups/GNMUK

White Horse Mountain
White Horse Mountain
Oct 22, 2020 12:10 PM

What aiad of tosh this debate is. This is not a mass slaughter event. It is rather a mass infertility event. The good Drs are just another crap bucket of misinformation.

Sol
Sol
Oct 22, 2020 11:54 AM

First we must address the issue of medicine vs drugs, as in true medicines, now called remedies which are at large hand made by homeopathic doctors, and which are derived strictly from natural and organic products, vs drugs, which are synthesized petrochemical compounds, manufactured by the industry of cancer, petrol/chemical.
Bother way, here an article which actually talks about the real ongoing pandemic which is since more than seven decades, killed millions every year.

Air Pollution Killed 6.7 Million People in 2019

https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Air-Pollution-Killed-6.7-Million-People-in-2019-20201021-0018.html

We should so better refer to the pigpharma’s drugs as, petrochemical medicines or better yet drugs.

Here some of my personal notes about the ongoing pigpharma/pigbusiness scamdemic genocide.
First of all I will point out at the mask factor.
It appears evident so far that the unneeded use of masks serves only to increment the rate of pulmonary infections.
How.
The largest amount of related death during the so called first wave, came during the time in which everyone was freaking out about the so called N95 masks which are actually the airtight ones and which uses a N95 valve which later studies prove to anyway be inadequate in filtering a the virus in question since its size is inferior to the one of the n95 screen.
Beside Tibet, which after its reported first death to this day does not report of any other ones, we can know that countries which have not mandated or recommend the use of the mask and did not get the infamous N95 masks do to the supposed global shortage of that time, have recorded the lowest rate of infection and only now, time in which the use of the mask is recommended and people are increasingly wearing masks, the number of infections has risen.
For those not understanding why the prolong use of the mask will make you more susceptible to pulmonary diseases, consider this.
When you wear a non ventilated mask you are constantly breathing your own warm breath.
In consequence the lungs become unnaturally warm, filled with mucose and obviously as they are an internal organ, extremely sensitive to changes of temperature.

Second, several are the efficient natural treatments which are being used around the world.
From organic diet and use of additional vitamin D, to CBD, natural anti inflammatory medicines to hydrogen peroxide, ozone saunas, UVC treatments, to hyperbolic chamber, ecc, ecc.

All of them perfectly working for the prevention and the destruction of the virus.

In base of the fact that efficient cures are available, and that the risks deriving from taking a so called vaccine which normally should take at least 20 years for it to be deemed safe, are completely unnecessary, people must open their eyes and react to the and demand attention by and towards the health authority of their country .
The very fact that vaccine manufacturers are trying to make mandatory the use of their so called vaccines within month of Their first development, and the push by medias and politicians towards the Dystopian, uncharted and dangerous territories of untasted mandatory vaccination campaigns, shows the ill spirit and the non trust wordiness of individual officials and so called health ministries, such so called health officials and pro unsafe vaccine and forced use of mask bunch must be Now held account to their criminal operandi and negligence.

Mike Gee
Mike Gee
Oct 22, 2020 3:31 PM
Reply to  Sol

“Vaccines” do not normally take 20 years to be tested but have never been adequately tested for safety (since they are obviously not going to be safe). This is the usual charade like done with other ‘vaccines’. ‘Vaccine’ developers are crooks and always have been.
http://vaccinepapers.org/healthy-user-bias-why-most-vaccine-safety-studies-are-wrong/

Sol
Sol
Oct 22, 2020 4:55 PM
Reply to  Mike Gee

About twenty year medical trial for to verify safety of vaccines,.
It is the standard recognized to be the minimum requirement for their averse reaction assessment.
Any how even if we be talking about 10 years, vaccines do not anyhow represent a feasible solution to the problem.

Guy
Guy
Oct 23, 2020 6:22 PM
Reply to  Sol

Of course .A natural immunity is the best protection . The battle between Louis Pasteur and Antoine Bechamp , the germ or the terrain . I am older and in my youth we used to have measles parties .I kid you not ,this for the younger people reading this .I repeat , a natural immunity is by far the best prevention.
But I digress .There is no money in such.

Sol
Sol
Oct 23, 2020 7:49 PM
Reply to  Guy

Auto immunity,
according to an ancient story from Finland, auto immunity was at the base of all under-standing. (Ouroboros)
Measles parties, and they were real parties, I well remember the great times spent with the cousins and friends for as long as two or even three weeks..
Now, if you suggest to make a measles party to the wrong person “in Italy”, you could get arrested.

This all world seems to be going to fast towards a self destructive future.

A future which it refuses to acknowledge, and as if already immune from the deadly diseases of the mind, with its greed and with its insane and unfounded believes, looses it self in the exanthematous ones.
UVC to set us free.
Vitamin D
Bock saga.

Guy
Guy
Oct 24, 2020 9:39 PM
Reply to  Sol

I reside in Canada and the winters bring some very interesting times.My son and I will go hunting for the King of mushrooms ,the chaga , in winter as we can travel by snowmobile through the birch tree forest looking for this said to be the ultimate immune booster ,the chaga mushroom .
For more information on medicinal mushrooms ,should this interest you,check out the following.
I use UVC in my furnace ducting by the way which kill all pathogens in the air passage .
Cheers.
https://www.realmushrooms.com/7-medicinal-mushroom-benefits-for-health/

Sol
Sol
Oct 25, 2020 7:08 AM
Reply to  Guy

How wonderful, here in the south of Finland the snowing winters seam to be a thing of the past.
last winter snowed a dozen times, and melted away within 49 hours followed by an other record braking hot summer
Also this winter seams to start just like the last one of not worst.
I read about and tested the chaga mushroom tee but I must admit I did not get over its taste yet.
By the way) did you know about the anti bacteriological properties of birch sugar (xilitol) ?
I was wondering if it would be also efficient against viruses.
Have fun in the forest and good mushroom hunting.

Jean Wilson
Jean Wilson
Oct 23, 2020 2:42 AM
Reply to  Sol

“All of them perfectly working for the prevention and the destruction of the virus.” What virus?

Sol
Sol
Oct 23, 2020 6:23 PM
Reply to  Jean Wilson

The “lock step” one which allegedly leaked out in early 2019 from forth Dietrich and was at the time blamed on vaping, and which consequently was released in Italy, (outside of Bergamo), which as recorded the first case in September, than Spain which was it in December before reaching China where it apparently exploded in the beginning of 2020 before becoming accepted as cause of death in the rest of the agenda 21/UN countries .
I would like to suggest you to find an interesting documentary made by a nobel priced virologist which in it discusses the medicine of the future.

It gives an insite to the mechanism of tele transportation and well shows how useless, obsolete and dangerous is this now modern medicine based on petrochemical compounds, as well as how simple is to destroy viruses

You can also research his findings on this so called cv virus in question, since he was one of the first independent virologist to be allowed to take the virus to its own laboratory for to analyze it and discover its origins.

Water Memory Documentary of Luc Montagnier

https://youtu.be/k2NuZhRlWCc

Eric van der Worp
Eric van der Worp
Oct 24, 2020 6:50 PM
Reply to  Sol

I remember this documentary, it was fascinating, thanks for the reminder!

thomas robinson
thomas robinson
Oct 22, 2020 11:54 AM

A liaison in which both individuals are male to female transgenders is not a lesbian relationship, it is homosexual. Similarly, a liaison between two female to male transgenders is not homosexual, it is lesbian. For these couples the prefered sex of a prospective adoptee is the opposite of those predominating among their homosexual and lesbian counterparts. In other words, in a liaison between two male to female transgenders a shared preference for the adoption of boys exists and among female to male transgender couples the shared preference is for girls. However, in a liaison between a male to female and female to male transgender, girls and boys are equally desirable. Homosexual guardians rear children with pronounced homosexual tendencies although they may not necessarily engage in homosexual relations as adults. Transgender guardians on the other hand invariably rear boys as girls and girls as boys. Sponsored and facilitated by adoption agencies, child surrogacy and in vitro fertilization programmes, all of which have been mandated by government, these reprehensible practices have in effect been officially legitimized and constitute the legalization, if not the normalization of pathologically engendered child abuse, inevitably producing maladjusted adults predisposed to inflicting similar abuse on subsequent generations of children in their care.

There is no collective social pressure being brought to bear on women by men who en mass are shirking their responsibility for the rearing of children they have conceived and even if there was it could not account for the alarmingly large number of abortions millions of women throughout north America, Europe, the Antipodese and Scandinavia undergo each year. In all of these ‘first world’ territories every kind of contraception may not only be obtained from any drug store, pharmacy and supermarket, but is provided free in many countries by government clinics and general medical practitioners who will also conveniently dispense the ‘morning after’ pill in an emergency to any woman or girl who might otherwise come begging for an abortion. Women cite many reasons for having their pregnancies terminated, inevitably coersion by domineering husbands, common law spouses and boyfriends is one of them, but however contemptible and sorely condemned does not rank among the most common. Women are electing to have abortions with or without the knowledge of putative fathers and in spite not because of their wishes. The prevention of serious or irreparable damage to women’s mental health is routinely cited by doctors as the reason for the vast majority of abortions. In the United Kingdom only sixteen abortions have been carried out to save the lives of women in the last ten years. A publicly unacknowledged social emergency exists for which men are not responsible and women will not be held accountable. Obviously, except for male doctors who carry them out, men (putative fathers) take no active part in abortions. Nevertheless, by way of social osmosis most men are at least vaguely aware that women regard them as morally culpable for the abortion of babies (even when they are against it) and implicitly expect men to shoulder the blame or at the very least share the shame of bearing silent witness to the obscenity of abortion on an industrial scale. Crucially, if men are guilty of anything, it is their abject failure to communicate to their mothers, wives, sisters, daughters and women in general any serious misgivings or enduring concern for the vast and rapidly escalating number of abortions carried out year after year. According to a UK Department of Health report, 207,384 abortions were carried out on women living in England and Wales in 2019, the largest number since the 1967 UK Abortion Act was passed.

THX-1143
THX-1143
Oct 22, 2020 12:26 PM

Jay
Jay
Oct 22, 2020 12:56 PM

The world is being destroyed but push your divide and rule garbage.

TooleySt
TooleySt
Oct 22, 2020 1:03 PM

”Are Homophobic People Really Gay and Not Accepting It?”
Study finds homophobia linked to unacknowledged attractions to the same sex.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-sexual-continuum/201204/are-homophobic-people-really-gay-and-not-accepting-it

Jean Wilson
Jean Wilson
Oct 23, 2020 2:44 AM

Off topic.

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 22, 2020 10:48 AM

Effects of COVID:
1.    Annulment of news. There is little news beside COVID. And even the news with no apparent link to the virus must have a virus angle e.g. recent news of a celebrity’s latest project (Rick Wakeman’s new album) has to let us know how the celeb is coping with the deadly plague. There is no escape from the virus and this is clearly an (un)official strategy. The notion of the public as a herd has never been so apt. The herd is being corralled into a new pen and they mustn’t get the impression they have a choice in the matter.
2.    Suspension of health service. COVID has, as it were, been declared the only permissible ailment, the only one that the medical profession are going to recognise and take seriously. All others are side-lined and even shelved. This will necessarily lead to deaths and we are already seeing the signs of this. (Peter King taxi driver who died from a misdiagnosed gall bladder stone. Four new-borns in Adelaide denied surgery.) We are standing on the verge of nothing less than a health service Holocaust.
3.    Annulment of opposition. The previous opposition (the Left) completely back the COVID narrative and indeed only serve to magnify that narrative – such magnification being presented as their one gesture towards dissent since it presumes that the MSM are “underplaying” the virus – which is deeply ironic since the Left are only further emphasising what the MSM want. Other than shilling for the establishment, the Left remain conveniently silent.
4.    Paving of the way for an extreme and violently acrimonious division of the population via branding of skeptics as “libertarian” with all the pejorative connotations of that term. The compliant Left started this, but it is being taken up by the MSM now with increasingly Pavlovian terminology – “white nationalist”, “extreme Right” etc. This is a preparation for containment of the chaos that will inevitably ensue when the full pauperisation of the lockdown starts to take hold.

Terry
Terry
Oct 22, 2020 10:57 AM
Reply to  George Mc

”Lockdown may cost 200,000 lives, government report shows”
‘Research shines a light on the reasons why the Government has been keen to lift lockdown, in spite of experts claiming it happened too soon”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/19/lockdown-may-cost-200k-lives-government-report-shows/

Jay
Jay
Oct 22, 2020 12:12 PM
Reply to  George Mc

We are being dragged into the abyss by the fearful, the obedient, the selfish, the ignorant and the intellectually lazy who cannot be bothered to ask:

What is a ‘case’?
What does ‘asymptomatic’ mean?
What is the difference between ‘with’ Covid or ‘from’ Covid?
Why are Flu stats being combined with Covid stats?
If the virus is so deadly why do I need a test to see if I have it or not?
What are ‘false positives’?
Why is the MSM reporting skulduggery in statistical reporting?
Why are death certificates being manipulated?
Why is the economy being trashed?
Why are healthy people being forced to quarantine?
Is the destruction of the economy worth it?
Are civil liberties being trashed for a good reason?
Why do Gov’t ministers pushing vaccines, track and trace have shares in vaccine manufacturers and track and trace tech?
Why do vaccine manufacturers have indemnity?
Who is pushing governments around the world to lockdown?
Is surrendering my life to 24hr tech surveillance worth it to stay safe?
Is cancelling essential medical treatment OK?
Is it OK to falsely imprison students, pushing some to suicide?
Is it the false imprisonment of the elderly in care homes OK?
Is forcing everyone to cancel living their lives worth it to stay safe?
Do human rights matter?

kevin
kevin
Oct 22, 2020 4:06 PM
Reply to  Jay

This is an excellent list of questions. That most people can’t be bothered to ask even one of these questions does not bode well for the future, to say the very least.

Jay
Jay
Oct 22, 2020 7:38 PM
Reply to  kevin

I saw a video of Emma Kenny asking questions. Lots of people are questioning things. I feel like I’m in Alice In Wonderland at the moment. It’s surreal. Just seen this tweet about inserts in test kits:

https://twitter.com/RJ_Phoenix16/status/1319342988548603904?s=20

Howard
Howard
Oct 22, 2020 5:22 PM
Reply to  Jay

Is surrendering my life to 24hr tech surveillance worth it to stay safe?

Here in America, we have already surrendered our lives to 24hr surveillance by the NSA – without anything whatsoever in return, least of all a promise of “safety.”

So we’re ahead of the game: we don’t have to ask that question any longer. We’re already on board with tech surveillance!

May Hem
May Hem
Oct 23, 2020 2:50 AM
Reply to  Jay

yes, a good list. another question – why are these not being asked/debated on mainstream media?

this list is worth printing and distributing through letter boxes and on notice boards. hope that is Ok with you, Jay. thanks.

Jay
Jay
Oct 23, 2020 7:30 AM
Reply to  May Hem

Better lists could be compiled IMO. I’m just reiterating what I’ve seen others asking on social media.

Mark L
Mark L
Oct 22, 2020 2:50 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Seen the new offering from PR George? Can’t decide if it’s more disingenuous fence-sitting or just-in-case arse-covering. Though there may be a tiny movement towards increased scepticism? Or am I kidding myself? There’s certainly still that tone of insufferable smugness. As though failing to come to a conclusion after about 9 months is somehow the mature position.

I see the line on stats is that they can’t be trusted, so can be discounted, because, get this, despite the massive weight of evidence demonstrating they’ve been artificially inflated, and used to terrify the masses, official sources have actually been deliberately undercounting C19 deaths so the Gov. don’t look so bad! FFS.

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 22, 2020 3:35 PM
Reply to  Mark L

Sorry, Mark I already posted you about the PR article under our old thread. I’ll repost here – with additions:

Philip has decided to enter the COVID fray again with this:

http://steelcityscribblings.uk/wp/2020/10/21/three-takes-on-cv-19/

Which may duly appear on OffG. I was going to respond to his odd reference to “the Big One; the killer pandemic epidemiologists have been telling us since SARS 2003 is a matter of when not if.” Interesting isn’t it? So, it seems some groups were already primed for the reception of COVID. Note how that “when not if” seems to pretty much decide the matter i.e. even if COVID is crap the next one won’t be. Well there’s nothing like a bit of Biblical inevitability!

I also noticed the interminable fence sitting. And I picked up some words in passing e.g. “cherry picking” was in there. I wasn’t even sure if he meant it satirically or not. Also noises about fanatics and I recall stuff from previously about “binary thinking” which I am starting to see as a cue to go off into vague speculations about …oh nothing in particular. But sooner or later you know they’ll get back to that bit about how “lazy thinkers” aren’t willing to “use the grey matter” and “do the heavy lifting”.

And what do you know? Here’s Mr Hansell to say those very things. Last time I typed in very extensive essays covering my point of view …. which nobody responded to. Still – it’s nice to see Philip did pick up on the Sinaisky article. I was going to provide a link to the one about Karl Schwab but eventually decided not to bother.

I’ll take your word about the statistic shenanigans. I honestly don’t think I have the stomach to go back and check. I can only conclude that Philip, along with most of the mainstream Left, has been hooked on the endless zombie movie that is the news. His mind is therefore fixed on pandemics. So, I think I’ll pass and just leave him to bemoan the lack of civility from skeptics and also leave Mr Hansell to continue to “do the heavy lifting”.

Mark L
Mark L
Oct 23, 2020 9:34 AM
Reply to  George Mc

You’re right about the cliched phrases George; seem to be a feature of all comments from PR et al for a while.

“the killer pandemic epidemiologists have been telling us since SARS 2003 is a matter of when not if.” Do we take this to mean all organisations forecasting doom e.g. Jehovah’s Witnesses, must be right?

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 23, 2020 11:16 AM
Reply to  Mark L

Yes I noticed the similarity between this “inevitable virus” talk and the Book of Revelations. What got me the most was the blase way that Philip seemed to assume I would pick up on what he meant.

And that is an indication of a problem I am starting to see: that there is a sense of “clique language” rolling around these mainstream Left circles. Under normal circumstances I may have shared in it. But ever since the COVID thing started I have sensed an enormous rift whenever I go to these sites. To put it bluntly: I THINK THEY ARE LIVING IN THE PAST. They are still part of that comfortable little world where we can have splendid little analyses of cultural movements etc. And the constant cry is “Don’t be ill mannered! Just wait and see!”

Wait and see what? We already know that the scare tactics are not justified by the statistics. But of course that’s when they come in and say that the figures are debatable before issuing the certainty that these figures are UNDER reported!

The goal posts are whizzing past so fast they are like helicopter blades!

Eric Blair
Eric Blair
Oct 23, 2020 12:22 AM
Reply to  George Mc

I’d add to that excellent list two items:

5. The citizenry becoming conditioned to to unquestioningly obey “experts” and “health authorities” while shaming and shunning anyone who dares publicly question the latest received wisdom from these sources.

6. It very conveniently provided the WEF/tech oligarchs with an opportunity to accelerate implementation of their digital dystopia. Psychopathic Technocrat Overlord Klaus Schwab openly gloats about how Covid lets them achieve in mere months what they thought would take years. Namely getting the public to accept as the “new normal”, distance learning”, “virtual appointments” and substituting pseudo communication via invasive technology for face to face contact. He says very clearly “When will things go back to normal? The short answer: Never.”

I highly recommend the article linked below. It shows how deranged and insane the technocrat/tech alliance and their ‘Great Reset’ really is. These people are pure evil.

https://winteroak.org.uk/2020/10/05/klaus-schwab-and-his-great-fascist-reset/

Eric Blair
Eric Blair
Oct 23, 2020 12:24 AM
Reply to  Eric Blair

Apologies for typos…was typed in haste.

Terry
Terry
Oct 22, 2020 10:23 AM

I’m 83, I don’t give a sod!’ Barnsley pensioner slams new Tier-3 lockdown

Tom
Tom
Oct 23, 2020 4:43 PM
Reply to  Terry

And lambasted by many on the ‘left’!…

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Oct 22, 2020 9:35 AM

Actually all this is moot, as the CDC stated in July, they have never had any such virus to test.

Gnasher
Gnasher
Oct 22, 2020 4:08 PM

Another reference to that snippet found during a trawl of official publications that states “Since no quantified virus isolates of the 2019-nCoV are currently available”. Are you actually familiar with how those tests are normally done? Read here: “Fact check: This CDC document does not say that that SARS-CoV-2 doesn’t exist” – https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-cdc-idUSKBN27633R

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Oct 22, 2020 5:03 PM
Reply to  Gnasher

Rooters have been lying catastrophists for months, I actually read the CDC report,

Gnasher
Gnasher
Oct 22, 2020 5:56 PM

Oh it’s always wise to be sceptical of Rotters news, especially when the source is an “embedded journalist”. But the source here is a virologist at Sheffield Uni. And Rappaport’s interpretation doesn’t stand up to a moment’s critical reflection, because there’s a very meaningful difference between what is “available” and what “exists”. In any case the suspect remark in the CDC report isn’t scoped, by date or region. If you’ve read that report in full, you’ll know that the protocol was approved in February and the main analysis was done in March. There actually weren’t many “quantified virus isolates” on tap back then for obvious reasons (but the Sheffield boffin says there’s plenty available now). The whole thing’s a nothing burger, and a waste of brain time. There are much bigger holes in the official narrative than this.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Oct 22, 2020 7:39 PM
Reply to  Gnasher

And there is no more evidence that any new virus existed ever, so claiming it was ratified in February is meaningless.

Steve Church
Steve Church
Oct 22, 2020 9:21 AM

Maybe it’s just me, an old US fart retired in France, but I fail to see what this is all about or where it’s going, much as I appreciate OffG’s efforts to try to bring some sanity/clarification to what I see as a no-brainer. This so-called “virus” hasn’t been identified, the so-called “test” wasn’t invented (or built) to do what is claimed (bullshit in, bullshit out), and as we’ve all seen, the so-called mortality rate remains within seasonal norms. Old, sick people die all the time. Is this so surprising?

What I find surprising is that a salesman of a shitty operating system can become, literally overnight, the world’s health expert. Has me shaking my head.

Ben
Ben
Oct 22, 2020 9:34 AM
Reply to  Steve Church

In a nutshell. Thank you. Thought I was alone out there. And yes It is a shitty OS!

Anthony Porter
Anthony Porter
Oct 22, 2020 10:07 AM
Reply to  Ben

You’re most certainly not alone Ben, but still nowhere near enough of us. It’s just terrifying what the compliant masked zombies have enabled and continue to perpetuate, both against us and themselves. The only difference is we can see the elephant in the room (the covid-19 scandal), while they all gleefully march in lockstep to their utopian ‘new normal’: a lifetime of voluntary enslavement to a globalist tyranny that hates them.
Our fellow citizens: the collaborators who are destroying us.
What do we do? We’ve tried in vain to wake them up…

THX-1143
THX-1143
Oct 22, 2020 10:46 AM
Reply to  Anthony Porter

I’m going to take up insulting random mask-compliant zombies in the street, as my new hobby. I’ve already tried it on the mask-enforcement drone outside a supermarket:

“you’ve got your obedience muzzle — good job!” — thumbs up.

maybe next time, I’ll try “good doggie!”

if enough people do this, then by the fourth or fifth time the idiots are insulted by random strangers, they’ll start to wonder if there’s some kind of joke going around, that they aren’t in on.

which of course, is completely true.

Gwyn
Gwyn
Oct 22, 2020 6:28 PM
Reply to  THX-1143

From a recent song called ‘Little Seed, Big Tree’ by Ian Brown:

‘Put yer muzzle on,
Get back in yer basket’.

Always makes me laugh.

THX-1143
THX-1143
Oct 22, 2020 10:15 AM
Reply to  Ben