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The Great VIRAL Debate: Dr Rancourt’s Closing Statement

Welcome to Closing Statements of The Great VIRAL Debate. Track this debate’s progress in our Coronavirus Debate Section. Dr Piers Robinson is our chair. Off-Guardian is your host. The proposition under debate is:

SARS-COV-2 merits suppression measures in order to combat the virus rather than the herd/community immunity approach

Dr Rancourt, arguing against the proposition, closes his argument:

These closing statements, following the openings and two rounds of debate, were submitted simultaneously, in parallel, without prior viewing.

Tim’s position is anchored in his beliefs that:

    a. A new virus (“SARS-CoV-2”) has been discovered that is unlike any other viral respiratory disease virus.

    b. The deaths assigned to have been caused by COVID-19 are due to the new virus.

I address these beliefs below.

On this basis, Tim advances his main thesis that a difference in “COVID deaths” between “neoliberal countries (UK, USA, Sweden, Brazil)” and “more independent countries (China, Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela, Syria)” is caused by decimated and badly managed medical systems in the West versus responsibly managed and values-based medical care in his list of non-neoliberal countries.

Tim is not deterred by differences between his two select groups of countries, which affect viral respiratory disease propagation and deaths. Repeating myself, the said differences are in three areas:

  1. Absolute-humidity-dependence of aerosol stability in air (viral transmission)
  2. Care-homes institutional structure, and populations in care homes (hot spots)
  3. Closed space aerosol-exhaust ventilation dependence on climate and air-conditioning (climate)

For Tim, these differences, and decades of the underlying science, are my “two part theory”. Tim appears to be oblivious to the logical deconstruction of his main thesis, which I have made.

Likewise, Tim ignores analyses based on the (national and regional) hard numbers of all-cause mortality by time, and prefers “the reported COVID-19 death toll of almost 1.2 million” unscientifically collected and tabulated by the WHO.

Coming back to the debate question: Were extraordinary government-imposed measures warranted? Would business as usual have been preferable?

By the measure of accumulated science and established practice prior to 2020, this was not a pandemic. It was a massive propaganda campaign and social interference, in the normal presence of viral respiratory disease.

Such propaganda campaigns are regularly engineered by Big Pharma and its Finance collaborators to continually invent epidemics,[1] and this is allowed/enabled because there is globalization and geopolitical utility. Russia and China must go along with the West’s propaganda, as I explained in my Round 2 response.

In fact, “COVID-19” deaths occurred irrespective of “SARS-CoV-2”. Virtually any respiratory disease virus or collection of viruses in the viral ecology of our bodies would have served the same purpose. They all kill vulnerable, sick and weakened individuals in the same way; notwithstanding the industry of finding medical particularities of “SARS-CoV-2”. Influenza is similarly associated with a spectrum of relatively rare exotic medical complications.

In terms of deaths, the 2020 non-pandemic was a globally-instigated unprecedented assault against working and middle-class, largely institutionalized, elderly and socially/medically fragile populations.

The all-cause mortality shows sharp surges in deaths that followed the 11 March 2020 WHO global recommendation for hospital clearing as “pandemic” response, across the world, in those jurisdictions that sent hospitalised infected elderly persons into the community, including locked down care homes.[2][3][4][5]

The mechanism that made care homes and institutions for sick and elderly persons into killing fields includes the following elements:[2][3][4][5]

  • infection seeding by hospital transfers into the care homes
  • universal lockdowns of the care homes
  • denied specialized medical treatment to the residents of the care homes
  • reduced staffing and staff abandonment in the care homes, and negligence
  • collateral effects of the universal lockdown of the care homes: extreme social isolation, psychological stress, reduced aerosol-exhaust ventilation, lost oversight of the institutions by family-members

This was a mass crime.[2] Tim prefers to make an ideological argument.

Tim is incorrect to suggest that I reject “preventive health measures”. I agree with the usual social and science-based practice of voluntarily staying at home when one has symptoms of a transmissive respiratory disease, as a way to slow the rate of transmission in the community at large. This practice includes being told to stay at home by colleagues and supervisors. It also includes voluntarily abstaining from visiting elderly parents and grandparents during one’s symptomatic period and prior to symptoms if another person in the nuclear family has symptoms. It is a case-by-case and contextual approach, adapted to particular needs and priorities.

A universal lockdown on care homes is an entirely different beast, and has not previously been globally imposed, nor is it scientifically demonstrated to give a net benefit. In fact, the experience of COVID-19 unambiguously demonstrates a massive harm from this protocol, especially when combined with infecting the cares homes using hospital transfers.

Likewise, I oppose universal lockdowns of the general population, universally enforced masking,[6][7] universal “social distancing”, and the universally imposed so-called “sanitary practices” of compulsive handwashing and surface cleaning. There is no demonstration of benefit from these laws and rules, which are an attack on society.

There wasn’t even a legitimate pandemic. My research suggests that if the extraordinary and universally applied measures had not been enacted, then no excess deaths would have occurred beyond those of a regular flu season. The post-March-11th “COVID-peaks” that I first identified in the all-cause mortality data for the USA and Europe would not have occurred.[3]

In the context of this debate, “herd/community immunity” refers to the business-as-usual natural coping of individuals and society constantly challenged by respiratory disease viruses, as has been the case for thousands of years. In technical terms, the concept of “herd immunity” was introduced by vaccine manufacturers as a pretext for universal vaccination programs, rather than individual personal-choice “protection”. After all, if a vaccine is effective, then it should protect the vaccinated individual. The idea is that sufficiently large vaccination coverage prevents rapid spread through a population, and reduces the likelihood that late pockets of vulnerable (not immune) individuals will be infected by the pathogen in question. Thus defined, “herd immunity” is a device to sell universal vaccination.

In my view, we have not entered a new area in which human health on the planet suddenly, after 4 billion years of animal co-evolution with viruses, depends on universal distribution of viral respiratory disease vaccines; nor have we entered a new scientific era in which the gargantuan vaccine industry has discovered how to make effective, beneficial, and safe viral respiratory disease vaccines. The industry is a wasteful cash cow, which causes much harm and deters away from real health and quality of life initiatives.

If you want to help vulnerable and oppressed populations and social classes, then stop structurally and directly attacking vulnerable and oppressed populations and social classes.

Click HERE to read Dr Anderson’s Final Statement.

Track this debate’s progress in our Coronavirus Debate Section

Endnotes

[1] Engelbrecht, T. and Köhnlein, C. (2007, 1st edition; 2020, 2nd edition) “Virus Mania: How the Medical Industry Continually Invents Epidemics, Making Billion-Dollar Profits at Our Expense”. (2020 ed., 577 pp., 1,432 references) ISBN: 978-3-7519-4253-9.

[2] Video, 16 October 2020, Le Stu-Dio (Censored on YouTube, now here): “COVID-19: CRIMINAL MISMANAGEMENT? RANDY HILLER – DENIS RANCOURT”.

[3] Rancourt, DG (2020) “All-cause mortality during COVID-19: No plague and a likely signature of mass homicide by government response”. 2 June 2020.

[4] Rancourt, DG, Baudin, M, Mercier, J (2020) “Evaluation of the virulence of SARS-CoV-2 in France, from all-cause mortality 1946-2020”. 20 August 2020.

[5] Rancourt, DG, Baudin, M, Mercier, J (2020) : In preparation. Elucidating the cause of “COVID-peak” deaths in France; high-resolution county-wise (“departements”) study.

[6] Rancourt, DG (11 April 2020) (deplatformed from ResearchGate, now here) “Masks Don’t Work: a Review of Science Relevant to Covid-19 Social Policy”.

[7] Rancourt, DG (3 August 2020) “Face masks, lies, damn lies, and public health officials: “A growing body of evidence””, ResearchGate.

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Dean Michael Jackson
Dean Michael Jackson
Nov 28, 2020 3:59 PM

PCR is an amplification tool, it can’t detect/identify. Period. Cycle threshold (CT) is not only arbitrary, it’s meaningless, and an abuse of Kary Mullis’ amplification tool. CT is merely an arbitrary number of amplifications above an equally arbitrary lower number of amplifications referred to as “background level”… https://www.wvdl.wisc.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/WVDL.Info_.PCR_Ct_Values1.pdf The PCR amplifies nucleotide sequences exponentially… https://www.khanacademy.org/science/ap-biology/gene-expression-and-regulation/biotechnology/a/polymerase-chain-reaction-pcr …up to approximately 40 amplifications,[1] therefore any differences between the CT level and background level are meaningless. A CT of 21x merely means there were 21 amplifications. A CT of 30 has 30 amplifications. A CT of 21x simply means the nucleotide sequence was amplified 21 times, not that there is “strong positive reactions indicative of abundant target nucleic acid”… https://www.wvdl.wisc.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/WVDL.Info_.PCR_Ct_Values1.pdf At my blog, read the articles… ‘House of Cards: The Collapse of the ‘Collapse’ of the USSR’ ‘Playing Hide And Seek In Yugoslavia’ Then read the article, ‘The Marxist Co-Option Of History And The… Read more »

-CO
-CO
Nov 17, 2020 3:46 PM

Reply to Coming Revolution Hi CR, strange as it may seem the cyclical movement can also be ‘ Linda’s and directional and just as there can be progress ,there can be regress, synchrony and diachrony, construction and destruction. Remember, relativity and dualism are conditions of manifestation only a pair can manifest – no light without dark, no hot without cold, no good without evil and so on, ad infinitum but with shades of grey in between. Change itself negates Aristotlean logic which puzzles mainstream science as in the so-called wave particle duality. According to standard Big Bang theory (BB), in the alleged ‘beginning ‘ some 8-15 billion years ago there was nothing no matter,no energy, no time or space. Then suddenly out of nothingness the universe popped into being as a result of a ‘random fluctuation ‘ .However, if there as no energy, matter, time or space prior to the… Read more »

-CO
-CO
Nov 17, 2020 3:48 PM
Reply to  -CO

Sorry for typo Linda’s should read linear!

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
Nov 18, 2020 1:07 AM
Reply to  -CO

Hello -CO, Agreed, the perpetual movement of existence may contain segments that are linear, cyclic, as well as of the other kinds of movements your mention, but what about the trend of the movement, when considered as a whole? I’ve suggested that it was cyclic based on everyday experience: the opposites that bring each other into existence as you say, which is by the way the mechanism by which our organism always tries to maintain homeostasis; on second thought, the whole movement may not have any particular pattern, cyclic or otherwise. Trying to explore this matter may be beyond the scope of our reasoning. It may be even true that there is nothing to understand about it, just go living through it. About the BB, it’s hard to the logical mind to conceive of the existence of something that hasn’t origin or aim, and that is why perhaps it was… Read more »

-CO
-CO
Nov 18, 2020 1:29 PM

Hi CR – you are correct the Universe has always been there, it is infinite and eternal – how could it be otherwise considering what’s been previously stated? Origins and ends are relative and are only really applicable to the infinite numbers of finite entities and phenomena that have entered into manifestation such as sub-atomic particles, atoms, viruses, plants, humans, planets, galaxies or whatever. However, the issue is somewhat paradoxical because at the same time all these finite entities and there phenomenal effects compose the infinite ALL, they cannot be outside it because infinity and infinitude have no outside and no beyond ( All is in THE ALL from a finite perspective). THE ALL is the all- pervading and omnipresent essence of all that ever was, is, and ever shall be, including infinite space, duration and motion (consciousness, life ,substance -call it what you may) which is eternal – always… Read more »

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
Nov 19, 2020 1:47 AM
Reply to  -CO

Hello -CO, yes we agree, what is has always been and always shall be.

By the way, the last sentence of your post is illuminating; death is the opposite of birth, not of life. It reminds me of a chinese movie presumably retracing the life of Buddha, in which the young Gautama was tormented by this question: “who was I before I was born?”.

Misc
Misc
Nov 14, 2020 7:07 PM

We need a synopsis of how all of these measures are incredibly dangerous to the public’s health.
All of them. The notion WE are ‘granny killers’ needs to be utterly refuted in the strongest manner possible.
Our governments are killing in the name of “public health” – and one of the reasons they are getting away with it (besides diabolical media hysteria) is their ‘humanitarian’ narrative. We need to occupy this narrative.

TFS
TFS
Nov 14, 2020 3:32 PM
Jodie
Jodie
Nov 13, 2020 9:33 AM

Interview with an NHS Nurse: “Where’s the challenge? Where’s the crisis? Where’s this Covid?”

Today’s newsletter is a special edition featuring an exclusive interview with a nurse who worked in an NHS hospital throughout the pandemic and says she has never had so little to do. Now she feels compelled to speak out against the “most wilful of lies” she has witnessed, in the hope that “such a grave miscarriage of justice for health can never be allowed to happen again”.

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/10/10/latest-news-exclusive/

Met Police Chief Inspector Stands Down to Lawful Observers

Amazing result by a group of lawful observers giving notice to senior Metropolitan Police officers on Saturday the 10th of October 2020 outside Downing Street.

ADKC
ADKC
Nov 13, 2020 1:04 AM

“Proof That Face Masks Do More Harm Than Good” a new book by Dr Vernon Coleman was recently published on “Smashwords” but was unexpectedly removed in an act of censorship even though the book was entirely factual. You can now get the book from the the authors own website:

http://www.vernoncoleman.com/bannedmaskbook.pdf

The book is a simple list of factual reasons (with evidence) why mask wearing is detrimental.

Jodie
Jodie
Nov 13, 2020 9:41 PM
Reply to  ADKC

It is completely insane and ofourse the people most quickly murdered by masks will be the very people they are claiming to want to “protect”. The most “vulnerable”. Who ever is telling people to wear masks needs to face democide charges and has no standing to be governing. They are criminals and are in no position of authority to give any orders what so ever.

TFS
TFS
Nov 12, 2020 3:43 PM

Some medical professionals with opinions on vaious subject around Covid:

  1. Dr Malcolm Kendrick (https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/)
  2. Dr John Campbell (https://www.youtube.com/c/Campbellteaching/videos)
Riccotelaly
Riccotelaly
Nov 12, 2020 1:05 PM

I don’t want to catch a cold – can someone else suffer or die Instead?

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
Nov 13, 2020 3:42 PM
Reply to  Riccotelaly

As a matter of fact, there is only one way not to suffer or die, and that is being already dead.

TFS
TFS
Nov 12, 2020 11:20 AM

This is on Ted Tenders. Supplement to the Official Journal of the EU

United Kingdom-London: Software package and information systems

2020/S 207-506291

Contract award notice

Results of the procurement procedure

Supplies

II.1.4)
Short description:

  1. The MHRA urgently seeks an Artificial Intelligence (AI) software tool to process the expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reaction (ADRs) and ensure that no details from the ADRs’ reaction text are missed.

https://archive.is/2JXqO#selection-1161.0-1173.154

Caltrop
Caltrop
Nov 11, 2020 10:14 PM

Ninety per cent

10th November 2020

‘Ladies and gentlemen, roll-up, roll-up, roll-up. My new product, just brought to the market this very day, prevents ninety per-cent, yes ninety per-cent of all known things happening to you. Yes, a remarkable ninety per cent. Not sixty per cent, not seventy per cent, no…not even eighty per cent. But ninety of your finest American per cent – of things’……………..

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/11/10/ninety-per-cent/#comment-193400

Schmitz Katze
Schmitz Katze
Nov 11, 2020 10:11 PM

Breaking News: Published on November 11, 2020 German-American star attorney Dr. Reiner Füllmich will sue („German Fauci „) Prof. C. Drosten and RKI President Dr. L. Wieler next week in the USA for damages in the billions. The U.S. legal system allows class action lawsuits against individuals in other countries. Reiner Füllmich, who is a founding member of the Corona Investigativ Committee, will sue both – in the USA for damages. The lawyer said this in an interview with the Fuldaer Zeitung: Excerpt: Reiner Füllmich : “We are suing those who claim that the PCR test detects infections. These are above all the virologist Prof. Dr. Christian Drosten and Lothar Wieler, President of the Robert Koch Institute. The lawsuits also target politicians who have relied on Drosten and Wieler’s advice. In court we will ask why the politicians did not listen to other experts – for example the Nobel Prize… Read more »

Doctortrinate
Doctortrinate
Nov 11, 2020 7:05 PM

Search – 2020/s/207-506291

Tenders Electronic Daily.

MHRA Buyer Organisation (Medicines & Healthcare products
Regulatory Agency Gov.U.K)

Section II: Object

II.1.4)short Description

The MHRA urgently seeks an Artificial Intelligence (AI) software tool to process the expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reaction (ADRs) and ensure that no details from the ADRs’ reaction text are missed.

https://ted.europa.eu/udl?uri=TED%3ANOTICE%3A506291-2020%3ATEXT%3AEN%3AHTML&src=0&fbclid=IwAR2CF1YylyNNGyF9yw1P0shDxPSiXINBV5q2KDySUQKqZLCArdze2td8Y3k

Mike Ellwood (Oxon UK)
Mike Ellwood (Oxon UK)
Nov 11, 2020 5:09 PM

Grauniad front page headline this morning (Wed 11 Nov 2020):

“GP services will be cut to allow millions to receive Covid Vaccine”.

So, yet again, the NHS becomes the National Covid-19 Service, or rather the National Provide Customers to the Pharmaceutical Industry Service, some of whose advisers have major shareholdings in the Pharmaceutical Industry.

Jonathan Priddle
Jonathan Priddle
Nov 11, 2020 3:47 PM

Major problem with this. Germ Theory is a lie. There is no such thing as a contagious virus. No virus has EVER been isolated because they don’t exist.
See Dr Kaufman for an explanation of the fraud.
https://bittube.video/videos/embed/cfe831f1-6254-403e-8ee2-6c7fd56099a6?_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJqYXBlcnNAcHJvdG9ubWFpbC5jb20iLCAia2xfY29tcGFueV9pZCI6ICJVcFh5WWQifQ%3D%3D

Mike Ellwood (Oxon UK)
Mike Ellwood (Oxon UK)
Nov 11, 2020 5:05 PM

See also: “The Contagion Myth” by Thomas Cowan and Sally Fallon Morrell.

and

“Virus Mania” by “Torsten Engelbricht and Claus Köhlein

Binra
Binra
Nov 11, 2020 6:03 PM

It is a lie when knowingly passed off as if true. It is a mistaken belief when acted upon in good faith. Better to say – in my opinion – that the basis for germ theory is scientifically unproven – even though widely accepted and hugely invested in. This is of proving a virus as THE cause of disease or pathogen. Extracellular communication is fact. the recycling of cellular (genetic) debris may be part of this communication. There is a lot we do not know. But is running as if the science is settled. I hold it meaningless and unhelpful to polarise in such comments as ‘viruses don’t exist’ – UNLESS you clearly define what you mean. I highly value Dr Andre Kaufman’s contributions to a greater understanding. Exosomes may be the fact of what we are taking to be viruses and assigning the role of pathogen. Viral (exosomal) expression… Read more »

Jonathan Priddle
Jonathan Priddle
Nov 11, 2020 8:26 PM
Reply to  Binra

You can use all the ‘correct’ terminology you like, it won’t change the fact that viruses don’t exist. Disease is caused by either toxins, deficiencies or stress, period. Vaccination is based on a false premise of an ‘immune system’ This very recent terminology is used merely to support the idea that vaccination has a role. This is in correct, we don’t have an ‘immune system’, we don’t need one.

Binra
Binra
Nov 11, 2020 11:38 PM

I could agree with you – but the way in which you assert yourself suggests a lack of any real sense of interest or relationship. As if reinforcing an identity is ‘The Answer’! And weaponised ‘facts’ make truth a weapon which is waht I see in the vax agenda too. Andrew Kaufman does not say ‘the virus does not exist’, but that the virus theory of pathogenic causality is false and fraudulent. Its the narrative framing that is questionable – not the clinical and biological observations. Originally vaccination developed the idea that those who got certain diseases rarely if ever got them again. That observation led to the idea of acquired immunity/resilience. I remain unconvinced that vaccinations are effective in terms of death and disease by all causes, and do not consider them safe, much less their agenda in the hands of global monopolism. I have watched the videos on… Read more »

Jodie
Jodie
Nov 12, 2020 11:57 AM
Reply to  Binra

I think it is very clear what is meant by the virus. It seems you are attempting to spin things around and argue that nobody understands a virus to mean a pathogenic infectious killer and you can use the word without giving that impression. There is no such thing as “diseases”. This is a satanic belief system. Lesson No.2 get your arguments based on common sense, science of physics and chemistry. How the concept of diseases is made. Watch this, it will blow your mind as you realize how you couldn’t see a carrot in front of your nose. dr Morse debunks the concept of diseases. there is no such thing as diseases. correct your pH level, hydrate your body, clean up your sewer called the great lymphatic system. fruits, berries, melons, herbs, fasting will open your kidneys and you will start removing your cellular waste. that is THE ROOT… Read more »

Binra
Binra
Nov 12, 2020 4:56 PM
Reply to  Jodie

Hello Jodie I am one with terrain theory as a bridge to wholeness. Joy in life. I am also aligned in a re integrative willingness rather than feed polarised identity conflicts. Context is everything. Don’t blame anything. Unless you want to mask in a mind of limits, conflicts and suffering, set against your un-owned fears. “It may shock you to know that all the world’s bacteria have access to a single gene pool, which has provided an immense resource for adaptation, manifesting an array of breathtaking combinations and re-combinations for three billion years! Any bacterium—at any time—has the ability to use accessory genes, provided by other strains, which permits it to function in ways its own DNA may not cover. The global trading of genes through DNA re-combinations provides for almost endless adaptation possibilities. Therefore, what has been done to one has been done to all. Widespread use of antibacterial… Read more »

RUN!NOW
RUN!NOW
Nov 11, 2020 12:28 PM

WOW ….
and still the pretend goes on ..
I wonder how long until the penny drops but i guess its hard when you have invested in a massive lie ..
What a lot of nonsense these 2 ..
go get a job u 2 ..MCD is always looking

Prepare people
PREPARE

Time is running out ..
None of this has anything to do with public health !

Jodie
Jodie
Nov 11, 2020 4:57 PM
Reply to  RUN!NOW

That’s right. These terrorists are gaslitghting people big time.

Caltrop
Caltrop
Nov 11, 2020 4:25 AM

So COVID reads as divoc, which means possession by an evil spirit.

Their mind works in mysterious ways.

 https://orientalreview.org/2020/06/29/on-the-occult-meaning-of-the-term-covid/

Kamala Alamak Harris

Alamak meaning Portuguese. Phonetically close to the Chinese term “Oh, my mother!”. It expresses shock or surprise. Possibly imported from Malaysia. Ali Baba Arabic, English. Steal, cheat. Based on the story of Ali Baba and the forty thieves. You don’ act blur, okay! I know you ali baba my fries when I went to the toilet! All Fart and No Shit English. (Possibly pejorative) description of someone who………

https://www.aussiepete.com/2008/05/singlish-language-guide-for-foreigners.html

Caltrop
Caltrop
Nov 11, 2020 4:06 AM

 EFFICACY | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary     https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/efficacy     the ability, especially of a medicine or a method of achieving something, to produce the intended result: They recently ran a series of tests to measure the efficacy of the drug.    ……..According to a press release issued by the two companies, 38,955 trial volunteers had received a second dose of either vaccine or placebo as of November 8. An interim analysis of 94 individuals conducted by an independent data monitoring committee (DMC) found that the vaccine efficacy rate was above 90% 7 days after the second dose. This means that protection was achieved 28 days after the first vaccine dose………….    https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/940628?nlid=138185_5404&src=wnl_dne_201110_mscpedit&uac=373954PG&impID=2667707&faf=1    So, did about 10% catch a cold?    BUT………….    Antibodies in Recovered COVID-19 Patients Fade Quickly, Study Says    “Antibody levels in the blood of coronavirus patients drop quickly after the body clears the virus, according to a new study published in… Read more »

mgeo
mgeo
Nov 11, 2020 5:43 AM
Reply to  Caltrop

Which is why they want that special ID thing so badly. Everyone will report to the local vaccination station with dependents every 2 weeks or so.

Waldorf
Waldorf
Nov 11, 2020 4:47 PM
Reply to  mgeo

I doubt it because such a system is likely to be unworkable.

ADKC
ADKC
Nov 10, 2020 8:55 PM

The UK government have announced a new Covid-19 vaccine called BNT162 that has been developed by Pfizer and BioNTech. This vaccine is of particular interest because it is an mRNA vaccine. On a Skwawkbox article, “Breaking: trials suggest new vaccine 90% effective, WHO calls for caution” (for link see “Source” below), a commentator “M”, who described himself as a geneticist, was asked a question about mRNA vaccines (includes minor edits): SteveH: “M – I would be interested to hear your explanation in layman’s terms of how this vaccine genetically alters the recipients DNA.” M: “Well I have no idea if it will alter the DNA, nor does Pfizer. But that’s not really the point so I’ll try to explain simply anyway: DNA is transcribed in the cell to produce RNA. There are different kinds of RNA but for our purposes, you can just think of mRNA which is a reverse… Read more »

Jay
Jay
Nov 10, 2020 10:14 PM
Reply to  ADKC

Skwawkbox has been pushing lockdown. Let them take the vaccine

tish
tish
Nov 10, 2020 10:36 PM
Reply to  ADKC

How do you test a vaccine for long term effects if the virus has never been isolated ?

ginghiniagenie
ginghiniagenie
Nov 11, 2020 5:09 PM
Reply to  tish

Well, quite – how do you? A bit of a poser for our 4th estate.

tish
tish
Nov 12, 2020 12:02 AM
Reply to  ginghiniagenie

isn’t it just ! and the UK have bought thousands of bottles of something….I know not what…… to wait and see what effects it has !

However, did notice something odd, maybe a psychological ploy…..Now don’t think you can by this if you are rich, you can’t….so there. We must be noble and give it to those in greatest need…….mmh!

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Nov 10, 2020 10:41 PM
Reply to  ADKC

I love their weasel words like “suggest.” A trial cannot suggest anything. Only an idiot in a white lab coat to impress you with his acumen and authority can. The modern priestly garb. I am not impressed. How do they know? With antibodies? If cv-1984 were a real virus and if it had been isolated and purified to prove that it existed in the first place (which it hasn’t), and if it really did cause a serious disease and had been proven to do so in non-fraudulent research (if that still exists in the new abnormal), then the proper way to test efficacy is to inject a large number of volunteers with their crap and see how they fare heath wise over at least a year to people injected with saline solution and nothing else in it. Big Pharma would never do that. Another way would be to inject volunteers… Read more »

mgeo
mgeo
Nov 11, 2020 6:01 AM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

Another case of capitalism needing impoverished people – apart from “flexible” government officials. The medical industry is particularly dependent on them.

And though heavy repetition for decades, virus, something spotted in the super-technological electon microscope, has become dogma as a cause of disease – when convenient. Never mind that the stuff is pervasive.

Jodie
Jodie
Nov 11, 2020 12:16 AM
Reply to  ADKC

The ‘virus’ is 100% effective. It helps bring us back into alignment and provides the latest upgrades to our systems raising them to higher frequency levels. Unlike the ‘vaccine’ the virus is all natural and organic. It isn’t the counterfeit product that could downgrade you to windows 98 or even cause that pesky blue screen but the real all new original 2020 upgrade. Buy now while stocks last.

tiredofthelies
tiredofthelies
Nov 11, 2020 6:50 AM
Reply to  Jodie

Yes, the ‘pseudo spiritual New Age’ method to avoid bio-warfare symptoms. Excellent (NOT)

Jodie
Jodie
Nov 11, 2020 7:49 AM
Reply to  tiredofthelies

If your worried about “catching the virus” then you need the upgrades. Your operating system is obsolete and a threat to humanity. The bio war fare weapon is the ‘vaccine’, masks, sociopathic distancing, curfews and lockdowns.

tiredofthelies
tiredofthelies
Nov 11, 2020 10:52 AM
Reply to  Jodie

I’m not at all worried about catching any virus, but I am about being deliberately infected by SC19g2 (as our whole world has been) and also subsequent viral strains, deliberately engineered using the obscene ‘gain of function’ technology.

Jodie
Jodie
Nov 11, 2020 12:53 PM
Reply to  tiredofthelies

If it is true the best is if it is short and sweet rather than prolongueing the misery. We need to organise massive festivals where all the strains can be released so everyone can get it over with and the survivors can move on unmolested by fear and anxiety. If we are all going to die let us atleast enjoy the time left.

Binra
Binra
Nov 11, 2020 6:16 PM
Reply to  tiredofthelies

AS overall deaths by all causes are around average for 2019-2020 ‘flu season’
with a bump for lockdown deaths – if it was bio-war then Sars-cov2 does not qualify as a threat – apart from the psyop.
There are a number of other possibilities in gain of function research that are more complex than the popular narrative.
May you be invigorated and enlivened by the truth!

Jesper
Jesper
Nov 11, 2020 8:56 AM
Reply to  Jodie

These two egomaniac earthlings seems so full of themselves that they’re completely protected against anything we could dream up.

Jodie
Jodie
Nov 11, 2020 1:36 PM
Reply to  Jesper

I must be over the target hey to be getting all this flack.

Kalen
Kalen
Nov 11, 2020 3:27 AM
Reply to  ADKC

I must say first that any COVID vaccine is a fraud because of simple truth that the claim that COVID is new clinical disease as well as claim that SC2 coronavirus infection causes COVID was not established or proven so far and hence claim of vaccine that targets specifically SC2 Virus and prevents COVID are by default baseless.

having said that,

It is nothing by Wall Street hype so far no details of trials were published nor Independently analyzed or peer reviewed, all claims are unverified, 90% efficiency claim baseless ,even FDA Emergency approval not obtained so far, productions and distribution networks non existent. Even WHO says spring until first commercial product available to masses.

Only phantom vaccine can prevent phantom disease what COVID sham seems to be all about.

mgeo
mgeo
Nov 11, 2020 7:25 AM
Reply to  Kalen

Many of these seemingly earth-shaking new items are meant to draw more suckers into the share market, so that the manipulators can dump the shares they bought cheap.

Kalen
Kalen
Nov 11, 2020 4:24 PM
Reply to  mgeo

From ZH

Pfizer’s CEO Dumps 62% Of His Stock On COVID Vaccine Announcement 
it is nothing but talking the stock up, Moderna did it , Tesla did It . It use to be criminal now lawlessness reigns supreme.

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
Nov 10, 2020 8:19 PM

There is a problem. However, it doesn’t involve a virus. There is a take over occurring.

NHS managers have been in lots of meetings for months and won’t discuss what they are up to with any free press. They even suppress their own professional workforce.
Police can’t seem to patrol the streets anymore because of lack of funds yet they can afford to send troops of cops at anyone who tries to have a party. If you’re BLM, one can have a riot, no problem.
Squaddies in schools testing kids for flu. The thin end of the wedge.

Jodie
Jodie
Nov 11, 2020 8:32 AM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

The fake health care system needs shutting down and replacing. They have taken hostages and plan to kill them whilst taking more hostages. These ‘vaccine’ drives and ‘testing’ efforts are such hostage taking efforts. These terrorists seek to turn the kids into “vulnerable” hostages to use in their attacks. Such terrorist groups need to be defunded and brought to justice.

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
Nov 11, 2020 10:06 AM
Reply to  Jodie

I’m guessing that at least 30% will take the gov’t/gates poison without a fight. The fate of those who won’t listen to reason may be good for the rest of us who refuse the euthanasia. A 30% reduction in the population may improve the job situation for those without brain damage or other complications brought on by the poison which renders them useless or dead. It would certainly reduce the costs for the British gov’t and the death taxes will come in very handy.
Pessimistic i know but one has to realistic.

Jodie
Jodie
Nov 11, 2020 2:10 PM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

They should have been called the old borring generation. protection? lol really?

Dianthus
Dianthus
Nov 10, 2020 7:16 PM

This is a gem people but you need to watch the sequel in patreon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7lrldDCGyU Then link the great conversation of Dr. Mercola over operation warpspeed and you now very good what they are up to…

tiredofthelies
tiredofthelies
Nov 10, 2020 7:08 PM

Dear God! I can’t believe this nonsense.. None of us might ever be able to go to a rock concert, or a classical music concert, or a folk club, or a rave, or a blues bash, or see great bands and artists again, or go to the footy or rugby or cricket.. Or indulge in any sport, or write to anyone without it being recorded and listedand later used against us , or protest against our psychotic colluding establishment. (in numbers of more than TWO persons!) Or have free speech again or observe any religion that we chose to in the company of like minded folks, or associate with anyone else (maybe as in Australia, not even associate with our families), or in Blighty and Europe or further afield, probably not be able to go out for a nosh again, or a beer.. Jesus!. AND YOU KNOW WHY? “Gain of… Read more »

Sol
Sol
Nov 10, 2020 7:56 PM
Reply to  tiredofthelies

I feel so sorry for you there stuck in a living inferno. Here in Scandinavia we are given a little more dignity than in most other places in the world. I hear you and share your angry frustrations and from where I stand can only advise you to do what you think is right, but to do it carefully. the web is a government design platform to collect data on anyone stumbling on it, and so is the so called S.M.A.R.T. (Self monitor and reporting technology ) devices and grid. personally I don’t even trust GSM, which in most cases is actually UMTS/UGPS mobile so called communication spying systems. It seams obvious that in this insane time of government surveillance and civil rights supression, we shoul look for more traditional ways for organizing people in protests since in the real world, when you give the other cheek you get bitchslapped,… Read more »

ginghiniagenie
ginghiniagenie
Nov 11, 2020 5:47 PM
Reply to  Sol

“the web is a government design platform to collect data on anyone stumbling on it, and so is the so called S.M.A.R.T. (Self monitor and reporting technology ) devices and grid.”

It’s also been the greatest opportunity for humanity to educate itself in history.

Sol
Sol
Nov 11, 2020 7:56 PM
Reply to  ginghiniagenie

Ho ye?
And look where it got you!

Sol
Sol
Nov 10, 2020 6:04 PM

Here Something I like to point out. When this so called pandemic came to Europe, here in Finland, country with the fewer recorded cases and supposed related deaths, there ware no masks to be bought any where. This situation to my disbelief went on till late autumn. Strange enough, was also that the first measure taken to protect people, beside signs and audio recordings in metro stations and shopping centers advising people to wash their hands, cover their mouth when coughing or sneezing, maintain some distance from others, and the implementation of plexiglas barriers in front of cash registers of shops and restaurants was the unusual locking of all front doors of buses and the stoping of the sell’s of bus tickets by the driver, sold as measure to protect the drivers. Strange enough after a few days, also the back door of buses was being closed as well, forcing… Read more »

tiredofthelies
tiredofthelies
Nov 10, 2020 7:16 PM
Reply to  Sol

Montagnier postulates that it is even possible to transmit RNA/DNA info between two sealed environments. It is not a large jump at all to assume that we can transmit resistance to any disease to another. Kids do that in kindergarten, (stimulate and challenge each other’s immune systems) We share bio-information endlessly, even after death.

Sol
Sol
Nov 10, 2020 8:01 PM
Reply to  tiredofthelies

Yes thank you for sharing
I also heard the same thing, but would like to find and copy some text from credible sources.
If you have any links on this topic please post them.

Kalen
Kalen
Nov 10, 2020 7:39 PM
Reply to  Sol

With your seemingly natural but in fact loaded by MSM propaganda questions You are pushing yourself into logical dead-end if you accept premise that PCR test positive means that someone who tested positive is sick on COVID or that he will be sick in near future or is capable of making someone else sick I.e. is actively transmitting SC2 virus. Those above conjectures are not true and have not been proved empirically to date. Even alleged causality between SC2 virus And COVID was not proven so far as after almost a year Koch postulates, that unequivocally determine existence of new disease, infectious or not, were not fulfilled. in fact as living SC2 virus, if it exists, was not determined to cause Covid all the discussion about PPE, preventive measures, Spreading droplets, social distancing becomes a moot point. As far as up to date scientific facts are concerned (no new disease… Read more »

Sol
Sol
Nov 10, 2020 8:19 PM
Reply to  Kalen

Yes I know what you are talking about and agree with you that both the so called test and the count of supposed victims of the virus is totally wrong. Problem is that in those countries now victim of draconian measures people are not even allowed to question authorities. My question was to revive the thought that man is not only caring and spreading viruses, but also what protect us from them. I also must think that if this so called virus does not actually exists, than what is going on must be a rehearsal for something real to come. For this very reason, I have been advising people to arm them selfs with UVC technology which can protect us now and in the future from any real bacteriologic and viral threat. UVC, is a technology which is deliberately being hidden, and I feel people need to be made aware… Read more »

Jodie
Jodie
Nov 10, 2020 10:35 PM
Reply to  Kalen

The purpose of social distancing, face masks and lockdown really has nothing to do with stopping a virus spreading. It has to do with maintaining the perception that people haven’t caught ‘it’ yet and that ‘it’ still poses a threat. There have been numerous large gatherings with no evidence of any impact. The whole thing is just a scam and if there was a virus I would rather see the “vulnerable” die quickly than put up with this bs but there isn’t a virus anyway.

Jodie
Jodie
Nov 10, 2020 10:57 PM
Reply to  Jodie

The damage this is all doing far outweighs the supposed lives being saved which are basically sick people who have little hope of being helped by the allopaths anyway where as the harm is being inflicted on young people and healthy people. Nobody has any right to be doing any of this. If someone wants to isolate then get a proper gas mask to go shopping and leave everyone else alone. The whole notion of these old people thinking they can go in a restaurant and order everyone else to wear masks because of their supersititions and frailty is absurd. If they are worried they should not go to a restaurant. They should fuck off. The sooner they are dead the better if they want to carry on like that. If they want to get healthy then they should look for real help from healers not ‘vaccine’ pushers.

Binra
Binra
Nov 11, 2020 6:25 PM
Reply to  Sol

When you say ‘cases’ do you mean clinical symptoms of sickness?
No one else does.
I think of virus more like an email.
You don’t react to every email nor open every attachment or let then run executables.
Fear of infection is an active investment of belief in weakness and susceptibility that gives demonic power (fear) to an immune response.

Sol
Sol
Nov 11, 2020 7:53 PM
Reply to  Binra

Cases as in reported cases, I guess.
No one else does?
I don’t understand what you mean.
about email viruses I don’t share your paranoia, I personally use a good e mail account and I personally don’t shop on the net, don’t subscribe to on line pages of people I don’t know and don’t allow tracking, so I don’t get any spam or crap advertisement.

(Fear of infection is an active investment of belief in weakness and susceptibility that gives demonic power (fear) to an immune response.)

Deep..

Binra
Binra
Nov 11, 2020 10:12 PM
Reply to  Sol

The term ‘cases’ is being used as a deceit. They are not cases of clinical disease, infection or infectivity. So I suggest that if you use the world you put it in ‘ ‘ so as to indicate it does not mean what it used to mean. I used email as a metaphor for ‘virus’. I assumed you have experience of receiving ’emails’ that can carry attachments that are code that can execute. You also get software updates that operate somewhat similarly and SHOULD be trustworthy, as long as the software or system is not designed to operate at your expense – ie surveil you for state or corporate purposes. Vaccines and medicines also SHOULD be trustworthy in their testing and provenance – unless they become a means to capture and control a revenue stream. I think English is not your first language and I am sorry if communication is… Read more »

Jodie
Jodie
Nov 10, 2020 5:31 PM

The covid cult are mistaken. A mask is defined as a toilet paper band round the head kind of like the karate kids wear.

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Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Nov 10, 2020 3:14 PM

UK Column News – 9th November 2020 NURSE SHELLEY TASKER BLOWS WHISTLE ON NHS The Cornwall nurse resigned on principle and revealed that on Oct 30, there were just three people in hospital with Covid-19. There had been just 76 Covid-related deaths over seven months. See her speak: https://www.bitchute.com/video/rbyOuX3GSRJ7/ Royal Cornwall Hospitals NHS Trust at first accused her of lying: “We are in the middle of a once in a lifetime pandemic and it is unacceptable for anybody to spread lies which could be harmful to someone’s health.” The Trust’s director the next day confirmed what Tasker had said: that just 3 people were in intensive care with Covid, in a county of more than half a million people under lockdown. UKC met with rudeness and hostility when it tried to speak to Royal Cornwall Hospitals NHS Trust. The Chief Executive would not speak because she was busy with her… Read more »

Arby
Arby
Nov 10, 2020 7:17 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

It was a good show (which I will point people to in my next blog post), and it furnished me with a couple dynamite excerpts, including the Shelley Tasker segment, but David Scott’s unthinking Conservatism was showing as they wrapped up. There was no need for him to slag Venezuela. I don’t trust Maduro at all since James Corbett revealed that he was flirting with China’s social credit system. But Venezuela is more than Maduro. And how can you not have some sympathy for countries that are targetted for regime change by the US and its allies? That’s a terrifying position for a people to find itself in.

JonneyRipe
JonneyRipe
Nov 10, 2020 2:02 PM

One of the reasons the most successful countries in the world, France, are falling victim to the Covid scam more than any other, is perhaps because for decades they have had good government, a government they could trust, who have delivered all the goodies you could ever want.

Jay
Jay
Nov 10, 2020 4:00 PM
Reply to  JonneyRipe

That’s it exactly. The middle classes are more trusting too. They can’t believe their own governments would cause them harm.

JonneyRipe
JonneyRipe
Nov 10, 2020 2:02 PM

Governments have mostly worked in their interests. They have given them one of the best health systems in the world, truly amazing public transport, the best support for small business, the best progressive tax system, some of the most vacation days. the best maternity leave the best support for families, best food safety, most transparent political system, etc….etc….. in one of the most beautiful countries in the world, which corporations have not been allowed to systematically trash their environment. So for a French man to release a far-right neoliberal coup has happened in their country is going to take time. It took the British 40 years, since 1979 and they are still not clear what is happening. Last week, seemingly completely oblivious to the looting and destruction being reaped on their economy, french students protested unsafe schools and today equally idiotically, teachers are doing the same in a March in… Read more »

Edwige
Edwige
Nov 10, 2020 3:36 PM
Reply to  JonneyRipe

There definitely is a pattern if you look at different country’s attitudes to the forthcoming vaccine – those that have had the perfidy of government most obviously demonstrated to them are those where there is most resistence to being vaccinated.

Duggo
Duggo
Nov 10, 2020 1:54 PM

There is only one problem with the ‘virus’ argument. NO human virus has ever been isolated, purified, replicated or even seen with an electron microscope. At a German High Court hearing the vaccine companies could nor prove there was such a thing as the measles virus. The ‘virus’ scam relieves governments and taxpayers of $Billions and makes the vaccine companies amongst the richest of the world and able to give huge grants to ‘scientists’ who promote the virus scam.

Jodie
Jodie
Nov 10, 2020 12:23 PM

Piers Morgan tweeting “Happy Vaccine Day”.

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In the Shakespear play the Merchant of venice there is the vamous line:

“…This bond doth give thee here no jot of blood;
The words expressly are ‘a pound of flesh.’ “

If we apply this to the “vaccine” issue then conceding that something is a vaccine is like agreeing that there is a pound of flesh even if there is a drop of blood aswell. It is accepting their definitions which put them into a position of strength and exclude that the injection could be anything other than a vaccine.

Jay
Jay
Nov 10, 2020 12:52 PM
Reply to  Jodie

No words..

Will the MSM talking-heads, politicians, civil servants, super rich and the powerful receive the same vaccines destined for everyone else?

Are they happy about the vaccine and its successors being tied to a future of immunity passports, signalling the end of private and spontaneous life under the guise of The Great Reset?

The Telegraph issues a fascistic threat for ‘anti-vaxxers’ to be criminalised

It feels like a war

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1326096135501582336?s=20

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Nov 10, 2020 3:31 PM
Reply to  Jay

Politicians and media pundits will get a different vaccine, or perhaps none, in return for pushing the narrative. That’s already happened.

Nicholas Rockefeller made an offer to Aaron Russo to “get on board” with the globalist project and he would live free, without the chips and surveillance doled out to the masses.

At the time Russo was running for governor of Nevada, and had just made a video “Mad as Hell”… Rockefeller approached Russo, eleven months before the attacks of September 11, 2001.

After turning down the offer Russo developed the famous “fast-acting cancer”.

More tellingly…

German politicians were offered a different vaccine to the mass of the population in 2009 Time: In Germany, a Better Vaccine for Politicians?
http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1932366,00.html

Short version of Russo interview.
Full version here:


Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Nov 10, 2020 4:18 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Russo explains how he was offered a “don’t touch” chip @ 31:00 “Rockefeller said: ‘What do you care about them – those people. What difference does it make to you? Take care of yourself. Do the best for yourself and your family. They are just serfs.’ It was cold. I said what is the point of this? You have all the money in the world. What is the end goal? He said, ‘the end goal is to get everybody chipped, to control the whole of society.’ I said, do all the people on the Council for Foreign Relations feel this way? No, he said, ‘most of them think they’re doing the right thing. A lot of them believe it’s better off being socialistic. We have to convince them socialism is really capitalism, because America is becoming a socialist country. Your chip will have KMA on it.’ I said what does… Read more »

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
Nov 11, 2020 2:33 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

We have to convince them socialism is really capitalism.”

They succeeded as far as the overwhelming majority is concerned. The word Socialism, which refered to the worker’s movement against the private ownership of large means of production distribution and exchange aka Capitalism, and incommensurable with it, has been slowly drained of its original meaning. Today, the word really means state Capitalism because the countries calling themselves Socialists like China, Vietnam, etc. are IN FACT capitalistic because the means of production are at the exclusive discretion of the bureaucratic apparatus and not of the people.

So the choice supposedly between the two historically incommensurable paradigms is IN FACT no choice at all today. It’s a win/win for the same system. How clever!

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
Nov 10, 2020 11:54 PM
Reply to  Jay

The vaccines are not destined for me. They can kill me first.
This is a war, or soon will be.

Cenotaph remembrance called off this year because the gov’t wants their hoax to last a little longer. No christmas for you either. Police pushing around ex-servicemen who attended as though they were yobs isn’t going to end well. Sooner or later there will be the spark that ignites the flames.

Lots and lots of people are very angry.

Jay
Jay
Nov 11, 2020 12:00 AM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

Yep. I’m furious. I’m a good person but my life and my future has been destroyed, a friend has been suicidal. Tragedy everywhere. It’s a nightmare, indeed a war on us – the innocents. We cannot even breathe fresh air – a basic human right

Piers Morgan and Co should stand trial for crimes against humanity

Grafter
Grafter
Nov 10, 2020 12:54 PM
Reply to  Jodie

Look at these two overpaid media clowns. Dumbed down and promoting the vaccine scam. These two poppy wearing shills represent all the dumb sheep who will gladly line up to be injected. Not once but throughout their lifetimes. The blackmail to endorse this lie is becoming more apparent by the day.

Jay
Jay
Nov 10, 2020 1:04 PM
Reply to  Grafter

Are they dumbed-down though? Or do they know exactly what they’re doing?

Thom
Thom
Nov 10, 2020 2:10 PM
Reply to  Grafter

If there actually is a vaccine in any form. Quite possibly it is all a ruse to keep a lid on public and business anger at the lockdown.

Dayne
Dayne
Nov 10, 2020 5:31 PM
Reply to  Grafter

In this world, it’s actually not too difficult to become rich and famous: All you have to do is spend your entire life reading from a script and parroting slogans. If you have the stomach for it and are happy with a 100% fake existence, career and legacy, then yes, the [material] rewards will come to you.

Meanwhile, those I know who have real talent, brains and integrity are languishing at the bottom. By now, many forgot how to expect or demand anything from life.

Jodie
Jodie
Nov 10, 2020 7:11 PM
Reply to  Grafter

He is a scumbag. He was chased out of town after this. Nobody will talk to him.

Mike Ellwood (Oxon UK)
Mike Ellwood (Oxon UK)
Nov 10, 2020 2:03 PM
Reply to  Jodie

Pass the sick bag Alice.

JonneyRipe
JonneyRipe
Nov 10, 2020 2:07 PM
Reply to  Jodie

The ‘Covid opposition’ media (talkradio) are pretending that a vaccine is a precious thing, that very few can get. They will be demanding it for everyone soon, like it is good for you.

But the basic truth will remain:

If Covid is NOT a threat to my health, then why would I take an untested vaccine that may be a serious threat to my health ?

Jodie
Jodie
Nov 10, 2020 3:19 PM
Reply to  JonneyRipe

A vaccine is by definition not a threat to your health but something that causes a antibody response. They do test them to see if they cause an antibody response which makes them safe and effective at being a vaccine. If you want to call it a vaccine then that is the sandbox you play in. You can huff and puff claiming it is harmful but a antibody response is what is considered to cause immunity and by definition not harmful. The government/ lawyers won’t give a shit what you are trying to say because they have you where they want you accepting their game/ using their words.

JonneyRipe
JonneyRipe
Nov 10, 2020 3:41 PM
Reply to  Jodie

”A vaccine is by definition not a threat to your health”

Given the vaccine producers, have decided that there is a substantial risk, which they need protection from, via the law, that is an absurd thing to say. The vaccine producers are immune from prosecution from any vaccine damage, you don’t need to be very bright to understand why they did that.

If the producers are not prepared to carry the risks of their products, then I would advise everybody to avoid them. Having said that, I and big Pharma are very happy that you are prepared to be a drugs Guinea pig. I would love to inject or spray you myself and see what happens.

Jodie
Jodie
Nov 10, 2020 8:33 PM
Reply to  JonneyRipe

why do you bother commenting if you are going to completely ignore my post? If they are immune from prosecution then that confirms my point that calling the thing a vaccine is going to get us nowhere. Why do you wish to lure people into using this definition that facilitates immunity from prosecution by your own admission?

Jay
Jay
Nov 10, 2020 3:47 PM
Reply to  Jodie

I don’t know how rare it is, but some vaccines can have iatrogenic effects, cause cytokene storms and the aluminum adjuvants can cause autoimmune issues in some. It begs the question – why have there been lawsuits against vaccine manufacturers and injury compensation schemes? (£60m for Swine Flu vaccine for brain damage.)

I’m not anti-vax but I am anti being told I can’t refuse one or question them. Let people choose for themselves.

I’m not keen on taking a vax for a virus that Chris Whitty said earlier in the year was harmless to the vast majority of people. A vaccine that’s been rushed and awarded indemnity. A vaccine tied to more vaccines and immunity passports. That’s deeply worrying.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Nov 10, 2020 6:02 PM
Reply to  Jay

The latest polio vax peddled by Gates caused polio

Jodie
Jodie
Nov 10, 2020 8:56 PM
Reply to  Jay

Aluminium is a poison known to cause brain damage. It is not an “adjuvant”.

The use of adjuvants did not improve the antibody response.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18550874/

mgeo
mgeo
Nov 11, 2020 8:01 AM
Reply to  Jodie

It is also an additive in some cake mixes, frozen fish, antacids, etc. It may also cause bowel inflamation.

Binra
Binra
Nov 11, 2020 6:42 PM
Reply to  mgeo

But in different forms it has different effects in different parts of the body/brain.
Most orally ingested aluminium is excreted.
The forms in vaccines can induce inflammation in the brain.
I agree that it is not a good practice to ingest aluminium.
But a much more insidious thing to be injected with.
And that aluminium has played no previous part in our environmental adaptation.

ToyAussie
ToyAussie
Nov 10, 2020 7:22 PM
Reply to  Jodie

Would you allow yourself to be operated on by an indemnified surgeon?

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
Nov 11, 2020 2:49 PM
Reply to  Jodie

Jody, could we ever ascertain that vaccines cause antibody response and nothing else? For every discovery Science makes, it ignores millions others. Don’t let ourselves be intimidated by the the jargon of the science if it plainly lacks common sense. Did you know that no one showed scientifically how exactly drugs cure diseases? The only known thing is that particular drugs make specific symptoms vanish, and that is considered a cure. Well, here is how (common sense): symptoms are the reaction of the immune system trying to rid itself of something it had detected. The immune system is the force that brought us to life and is permanently doing what it takes to keep us so. It does not ask for our permission to do what it has to do, and what it has to do may produce nasty manifestations, aka symptoms, we are not accustomed to and that may… Read more »

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
Nov 11, 2020 3:16 PM

So until Science shows how exactly a drug removes the cause of -cures- mild, localised diseases and proves that the immune system can’t do so on its own, no drug/vaccine for me.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Nov 10, 2020 6:01 PM
Reply to  JonneyRipe

And giving it to immunosuppressed people like me will kill us off lickety split, the last flu vax I had 15 years ago had a very wild reaction to the Crohn’s disease medication I take and I was sick for months.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Nov 10, 2020 4:34 PM
Reply to  Jodie

Have you ever seen such forced smiles? Oh, sorry, yes I have. Last night on the respective BBC Newsnight and Sky News newspaper headline reviews. It was absolutely astonishing – four reviewers with completely unnatural smiles from ear to ear as they talked about the ‘vaccine miracle’. I thought to myself that they had to have been coerced into smiling like lunatics, and the Morgan/Reid picture above evokes the same thoughts.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Nov 10, 2020 6:52 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

There isn’t a vaccine ‘miracle’. There is a candidate vaccine utterly devoid of proper long-term international clinical trial follow-up data.

No-one who works in the media has a scintilla of scientific knowledge.

NEVER< EVER< EVER listen to the media on any matter of medical importance.

Especially not Covid19, vaccines nor the Great Reset.

The whole of the UK media has prostituted itself for 12 months and everyone working in it should be sacked forthwith.

-CO
-CO
Nov 10, 2020 11:48 AM

There is no new virus discovery called SARS -Cov-2. There are only bits of random genetic material and proteins selected from samples and patched together into what virologists believe (but do not know) to be a viral form that is allegedly ‘ pathogenic ‘.

The point is, even if it is possible to isolate this alleged virus as pure particles it cannot be proven to be the cause and the only cause of all the signs and symptoms of what they have designated as Covid-19 as that would be a known FALLACY – a FALLACY not only of causal reductionism but also of essentialism. Why? It is because each specific infectious disease is always dependent on definite and specifiable conditions of existence that may vary between individuals and is not solely reducible to any single general principle of explanation such as an alleged pathogenic virus named SARS-Cov-2.

-CO
-CO
Nov 10, 2020 12:16 PM
Reply to  -CO

A Virologist is basically a bicolour which means a person who creates a bricolage and a bricolage is a construction of whatever materials that are at hand- bits and pieces of nucleic acid and proteins etc and patches them together into a viral form. Bingo! We have a deadly virus not.

-CO
-CO
Nov 10, 2020 2:59 PM
Reply to  -CO

Sorry for the typo Bricoleur is the word!

mgeo
mgeo
Nov 11, 2020 8:07 AM
Reply to  -CO

“all the signs and symptoms”

:- There are no definite signs and symptoms, just a growing and changing list – that even differs widely from one country to another.
:- There is no diagnosis by a doctor.

-CO
-CO
Nov 11, 2020 11:01 AM
Reply to  mgeo

Mgeo
I never said there were any definite signs and symptoms that’s why I stated all the signs and symptoms. The idea that there is no doctor diagnosis is not entirely correct since doctors are Involved in addition to COVID tests. However, I do agree that there is a growing and changing list of symptoms that differs from the original symptoms described on the official websites such as NHS and the CDC that cannot be attributed to a virus such as SARS-COV-2.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Nov 10, 2020 11:27 AM

The key question about whether government actions were ‘appropriate’ or not is this: FOR WHOM? The current actions are absolutely perfect for megalomaniacs like Jeff Bezos, who is having all his SME competition shut down by government diktat, allowing him to expand, take on a high-street presence and generally turn a heartland SME ecosystem into a new closed-shop cartel of digital billionaires. It will allow him to threaten to starve the whole population if the government does not cave in to further demands in future, as he will not have any SME competitors offering alternative outlets (hint to youngsters: think about starting up SME businesses to compete with the Seattle Godfather: don’t try and compete with him, have local ethical sources and sell to local ethical people). They are an absolute disaster to millions of honest SME owners, the natural electoral base for ‘the Conservative and Unionist Party’: not any… Read more »

Jay
Jay
Nov 10, 2020 1:13 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

The suffering you describe (removal of human connection) is designed so that we surrender and accept the World Economic Forum’s new terms for life. The destruction of the economy is about control ie. removal of cash, independent businesses etc

Cascadian
Cascadian
Nov 10, 2020 4:51 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

There’s a simple answer to folk like Bezos – it’s about 9mm in diameter and weighs a few grams. When placed appropriately it neutralizes the object of one’s frustration.

Jesper
Jesper
Nov 10, 2020 8:12 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

What we call industry is just one big ongoing collapse of both the natural world and humanity. Small is beautiful.

hope
hope
Nov 10, 2020 11:05 AM

Just one comment: we keep repeating all the rational, scientific, common sense arguments to undermine the narrative and prove it false, we keep protesting, we keep making legal case after legal case, but the scenario is nonetheless relentlessly unfolded.

Possibly this is because those pulling the strings from behind not just do not care, but do not need to care: the following article is about a private corporation which controls our health in many countries.  Whether or not they are among the ones who have purposefully brought this about, I leave it to the reader to conclude. It only state facts, each of them referenced. Possibly it explains why
protests, court cases, etc, are not having any effect. 

https://principia-scientific.com/how-a-private-corporation-controls-our-public-health/&nbsp;
Version adapted for some of the English speaking world from the French original more specifically about France: https://www.nexus.fr/magazine/
(Coronavirus: Une agence américaine pilote la stratégie de la France). In France there is certainly conflict of interest.

hope
hope
Nov 10, 2020 12:03 PM
Reply to  hope

Sorry it should be https://principia-scientific.com/how-a-private-corporation-controls-our-public-health/

I dont know where the last bit was added from!

Judith
Judith
Nov 10, 2020 2:30 PM
Reply to  hope

This was an interesting article, hope. Thank you.

Guy
Guy
Nov 10, 2020 10:01 PM
Reply to  hope

God God they are all incestuously related !
Thanks for the link .

Dors
Dors
Nov 10, 2020 12:39 PM
Reply to  hope

A TV crew asked a passerby,

What is the real and chief reason for the decline of our country, ignorance or apathy?

The passerby : I don’t know, and, to tell you the truth, it doesn’t interest me.

Jay
Jay
Nov 10, 2020 1:21 PM
Reply to  hope

Unfortunately, protests and court orders will have little effect because the political class in almost every country seems to have been either bought, coerced or blackmailed into implementing the globally coordinated demands to lockdown, impose restrictions and to destroy economies

I’m hoping that an asteroid will put us out of our misery

Edwige
Edwige
Nov 10, 2020 1:35 PM
Reply to  Jay

Don’t know about any asteroid – but would Starlink do?

Starlink currently stands at around 800 satellites. It may be that when they get to 1000 we’ll find out what “a thousand points of light” really meant.

-CO
-CO
Nov 10, 2020 2:09 PM
Reply to  Jay

Jay

Three is a big difference between the common law of We the people – which is the law of the land and the statutory instruments or rules of corporations that are called ‘law’s but are not, that is, unless we consent to them! Parliament is a corporation a business, the courts as they stand are registered as businesses that’s why there is no true justice and the whole system needs to be changed and run in accordance with common law principles.

-CO
-CO
Nov 10, 2020 1:54 PM
Reply to  hope

Hi Hope I raised the issue of repetition myself and also plead guilty of it because some things don’t appear to sink in with some people wrt science and it’s connection to viruses. Science by the way, has little to do with common sense and much to do with philosophy and metaphysics. Why? It is precisely because the so-called scientific method as it is currently defined is based on philosophical and metaphysical principles. Legal cases are being made because of the downright fraud and deception that’s being imposed on people who believe most things they are being told by the authorities and obey without question. But you presumably know all this by now with all the arguments brought to bear on the subject. Perhaps the main point to make, or should I say repeat is that if people fail to organize themselves in opposition to all this crap using the… Read more »

hope
hope
Nov 10, 2020 3:12 PM
Reply to  -CO

Sure science varies according to metaphysics. You need to first have a relation with the universe, before you can even have science. The relation between science and metaphysics is a complex one, and not just one-sided, a point I discuss in a book of mine to appear by January. Science is also a form of common sense, but one that goes beyond the superficial. It cannot condone dogmas.

-CO
-CO
Nov 10, 2020 4:32 PM
Reply to  hope

Hope could you please expand on the last sentence of your reply as you have aroused my interest. Science you say “cannot condone dogmas” perhaps I have been reading the wrong books and scientific papers! For example, there is the central dogma in molecular biology regarding the flow of genetic information and Darwinism is also known as a dogma too but these tend to be upheld rather than condoned by mainstream science. It’s the bit about common sense going beyond the superficial that I am more interested to learn about.

hope
hope
Nov 10, 2020 7:17 PM
Reply to  -CO

Scientism is dogma, while science being based on reason founded on reproducible observation is not. My book is about the transformation of science into scientism, how it came about, and why. As for Darwinism Im not sure what you mean, simply biological evolution, or the explanation thereof. As for genes, like atoms, its our current way of explaining inheritance. Tomorrow possibly new concepts will replace these. Within their limitations, they’ve been to various extents satisfactory. Science is the only form of knowledge that recognizes its own limitations, that we might totally change our vision at a later date because of new data or/and because of changing concepts and metaphysics. Whatever concepts you use, or whatever metaphysics existing theories are based on, if observation indicates they dont hold, you have to modify these concepts and metaphysics. At the same time, other non-scientific factors influence the evolution of metaphysics. And all this… Read more »

mgeo
mgeo
Nov 11, 2020 8:15 AM
Reply to  hope

Apart from inertia, most of the subversion of science is due to oligarchic corruption. Nothing complicated.

Binra
Binra
Nov 11, 2020 6:56 PM
Reply to  mgeo

Marketisation and weaponisation – or possession and control.
The basis of this was set as a split mind long before science took over as the arbiter of truth.

I don’t hold for infinite process – but rather an infinite richness of question and answer, of idea and experience.

That invested illusion results in bolstered and many layered masking over a lack of substance is again not a new observation – but its technological reach is directly related to the investment in technological salvation.

To be ‘saved’ from deceit is to be actively discerning for dissonance and willing to question it. Wishful thinking overlooks dissonance when the immediate result serves a current fantasy given priority.

-CO
-CO
Nov 11, 2020 3:56 PM
Reply to  hope

Hope You stated that “Scientism is dogma, while science being based on reason founded on reproducible observation is not”. There are different definitions of scientism. Here’s one: “The view that the hard sciences – like chemistry, biology, physics,astronomy – provide the only genuine knowledge of reality” . Since both scientism and science have some basis in reason and on reproducible empirical observations of objects and phenomena and both lay claim to provide genuine knowledge of reality, then what’s the precise difference? Experiments in chemistry, and the other sciences are all observable and are reproducible. Usually the so-called ‘scientific method ‘ is also based on empiricism as well as rationalism which are both epistemologies and scientism also involves epistemology and methodology which attempt to guarantee and validate the knowledge produced. The problem is there can be no privileged levels of scientific discourse that the knowledge produced really is a genuine form… Read more »

Binra
Binra
Nov 11, 2020 6:58 PM
Reply to  -CO

Yes reductionism to limited focus as if only what we can explain exists.

But the more current sense is masking in the forms and appearances of science.

-CO
-CO
Nov 11, 2020 7:30 PM
Reply to  Binra

Yes Binara
What we have at the moment is an appearance of science and a very deceptive and fraudulent one at that, insofar as pathogenic viruses are concerned.

There is an occult form of science that is many years ahead of mainstream science involving energetics bioenergetics. and psychoenergetics which most classical physicists can’t seem to comprehend because of their indoctrination at university. You don’t need any alleged pathogenic viruses to blame as vectors in disease causation. Diseases can now be caused psychotronically and by scalar electromagnetic means which happened with the US Embassy in Moscow when personnel became seriously ill over a period of time.

Binra
Binra
Nov 12, 2020 12:25 AM
Reply to  -CO

I hold to the recognition of resonance as the key to all things. The human mind has the capacity to co-construct deep deceits in which to be so well hidden under terror as to be beyond any belief or imagination of freedom, redemption or peace. There are times and places to be where you are where the disease and death happen, and there is the nature of being in your right place and timing. If you only live what is truly yours and release what does not truly belong to you, you will only meet the life that is recognisably yours – and can embrace it as such. The human mind is then a psyop in its role as a masking narrative against deeper fears we are as yet unready or unable to face, own or re-cognise at root, the underlying belief the conflict and its constellation represents. Fear is… Read more »

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
Nov 10, 2020 9:31 PM
Reply to  -CO

Hello -CO and pardon the intrusion. I think with hope that Science, the thing properly called Science, is indeed the daughter of common sense which is the voice of our nature, our guts, whispering to us; and what is the Scientific object but the seeking of truth, the understanding of nature, that is Philosophy, and why should we want to understand nature if it isn’t because we’ve lost connection with, or became unconscious of our belonging to it. There is a nostalgia in all of us, a longing for something lost which tries to quench its thirst through the Scientific enquiry. When you said that “science has little to do with common sense”, perhaps you meant: “the so called science, as being conducted, has little to do with common sense” because as conducted in most “respected temples”, it can’t properly be called Science because it claims to be sufficient without… Read more »

-CO
-CO
Nov 11, 2020 6:55 PM

CR, you are welcome to intrude anytime as you put it. I agree with much of what you are saying. However, when it comes down to common sense that to is a methodological criterion for the validation of a certain form of knowledge. The desk before me according to my senses is solid but without its concept I wouldn’t know it was a desk. But according to science and quantum physics it consists of packets of standing waves – particles of condensed aether or energy that we call matter. When the weather is freezing cold my senses inform me that that the wooden handle of my garden spade feels warmer than the metal part but science tells me that they are both nevertheless at the same temperature!I So, common sense is ok and practical up to a point but it can also be very deceptive. Science has little to do… Read more »

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
Nov 12, 2020 1:53 AM
Reply to  -CO

-CO, completely agree with you that our perceptions, impressions and sensations are sometimes deceiving and it is precisely because of that as you say that we dig deeper into things. But I wasn’t referring particularly to our perceptions of things, rather to that insight that we all have and that makes us judge of things as making good sense or not, in tune with basic wisdom or not. It is exactly what you mention in the last paragraph. A few examples of situations defying common sense: -Planet earth is able to feed and shelter every single human being born onto it and yet there are communities suffering hunger and homelessness; -common sense tells me that, being born onto the earth carries with it the necessary consequence of having to be at liberty of enjoying its fruits; this however is not the case for no one (almost); -We are the only… Read more »

-CO
-CO
Nov 12, 2020 1:01 PM

Hi CR, here’s some food for thought. In your reply you mention being “born on the earth” – the Earth is actually an anagram of the Aether also k known as the Akasha. This relates to a time when the Earth consisted of an energy substance that was much finer and less dense than current physical matter-energy. Mainstream scientists don’t even know what energy is – it is certainly not the ‘ capacity to perform work’ and although that may be useful, it’s not a definition of energy. They don’t know because energy relates to the quantum vacuum and to the ether – the lowest grade of the Aether or Akasha, which is also the cosmic storehouse of each and every archetypal form of everything that ever was, is, and ever shall be in an endless periodical process of becoming. There’s no empty space either, it’s just another illusion of… Read more »

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
Nov 17, 2020 1:22 AM
Reply to  -CO

-CO, what you’re saying in other words is that all that exists is this eather which is in perpetual transformation, condensations here, dispersions there; forms becoming sensible here and “disappearing” there in a perpetual flow; that the diversity of these manifestations is only superficial (hence your observation about common sense – first impressions – not being sufficient to achieve knowledge of truth) because any particular manifestation contains the seeds to make it evolve or involve into any other manifestation. This imply that there is no particular direction the movement of existence is heading to; it’s cyclic not linear. That makes sense if we agree that laws of nature are everywhere the same; we can observe cyclic movement in our daily life and in the natural phenomena. If I remember correctly, the theory of Big Bang, has been adopted in base of the observation of the expansion of the universe and… Read more »