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WATCH: Perspectives on the Pandemic #17 “2020 and 2021 have comprised a global propaganda spectacle of unprecedented scale and sophistication.”

The Interviewee: Mark Crispin Miller is Professor of Media, Culture and Communication at New York University. His research interests include modern propaganda, history and tactics of advertising, American film, and media ownership. He is the author of Boxed In: The Culture of TV; Seeing Through Movies; Mad Scientists: The Secret History of Modern Propaganda; Spectacle: Operation Desert Storm and the Triumph of Illusion; and The Bush Dyslexicon.

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Tor Guttorm
Tor Guttorm
Aug 23, 2021 3:27 PM

The orchestration of press, radio and television to create a continuous, lasting and total environment renders the influence of propaganda virtually unnoticed precisely because it creates a constant environment.”
— Jacques Ellul (1912-1994)

Janet
Janet
Aug 23, 2021 9:26 AM

Excellent. Thank you for putting this psy-op….which I called out in March of 2020 while speaking to my sister on her birthday…..into such concise perspective. I have never listened to your NPR segments or read your liberal columns in the rags because it has been oh so clear that we have long been played from both sides. Right and Left. Welcome to the World of Conspiracies. I look forward to Part 3.

Tatty C.
Tatty C.
Aug 21, 2021 5:43 PM

Bravo, Professor Miller! It amazes me how many people are still under a spell. NYC kicks off it’s vaccine passport mandate in two weeks. And people here are begging for more. Us “conspiracy theorists” knew this was coming. I believe we are undergoing a global shift of the monetary system. The vaccine passports will lead to digital ID’s and eventually a digital currency and social credit score system. Once the vaccine passports are implemented it is “check mate” for humanity. Total control.

Darrell Y. Hamamoto, PhD
Darrell Y. Hamamoto, PhD
Aug 21, 2021 9:01 AM

Bravo, Professor Miller. You will prevail against the miscreants at NYU.

Saddened
Saddened
Aug 1, 2021 3:13 AM

Thank you Dr. Mark Crispin Miller, Thank you!

Malatok
Malatok
Jul 29, 2021 1:59 PM

The covaids plandemic will no more cover the asses of the Satanic globo pedovore elite than their imaginary fiat filth digi “money” which will be rolled out after the ongoing economic looting and collapse. You only have what you are prepared to hold and defend to the death…same as “your rights”. Onward to the complete and total collapse of fiat filth and the political whores shilling for the glob filth.

Prep now or starve soon.

JosephB
JosephB
Jul 29, 2021 8:10 AM

Any idea when Part Two will be up?

rraa
rraa
Jul 28, 2021 9:06 PM

Good video but Chinese media were not scaremongering at the beginning of the pandemic. In trying to keep the calm, they were accused of covering up. The elite cabal of Western virologists somehow knew everything from day 1 and were the ones giving the hysterical to Western media: Rambaut, Drosten, Koopmans, Holmes, Fauci etc. China did not want the WHO to declare a pandemic, the strict lockdown was imposed on only 4% of the population, they never had vaccine passports and their QR code system used to keep track of people in big shopping centres or trains was a self report. Since March 2020 they have had few covid deaths and it’s because they’ve figured out its your regular flu and pneumonia. Of course there are ambitious Chinese scientists, e.g. the team which worked with Holmes who provide support the narrative because they believe it will further their careers or whatever.

No I am not paid by the CCP, I just happen to believe that Western interests have pushed the narrative and that China is not particularly interested in using the pandemic to increase control over their people or to direct profits to their pharma companies.

rraa
rraa
Jul 28, 2021 9:28 PM
Reply to  rraa

ps: China did NOT invent the ventilator policy. I saw videos of the doctor who did the first autopsy in China on Feb 28, 2020. He clearly said ventilation was a bad idea because covid was causing inflammation and you should not force oxygen through an inflamed airway. Being an absolute nobody I knew this before the Western world went into lockdown and when I saw all the ventilators, I was puzzled. China intubated only the people who had organ failure etc. In New York and Italy they were intubating people because the doctors had no PPE and were scared of the aersols generated through nasal cannulas.

Tatty C.
Tatty C.
Aug 21, 2021 5:16 PM
Reply to  rraa

Correct. People do not die from the virus, they die from pulmonary macrophages in a hyperactivated state that result in tissue damage (among other things). As a NY’er I watched as they told us to run to the nearest ER if we had a fever that did not break within 48 hours, only to tell people to say goodbye to their families on an iPad and put them on a ventilator and seal their fate. The majority of those people died. Then, all of a sudden, deaths were no longer discussed and it all shifted to cases. “Cases” that were defined by a faulty diagnostic means using PCR tests at cycle thresholds that are NEVER used. I know, I have performed PCR.

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
Jul 29, 2021 1:27 AM
Reply to  rraa

EH? Who disseminated photos of people dropping dead in the streets? China’s government worked overtime promoting the “pandemic” and “lockdown” narratives all over the world. If you’re not working for the CCP, you are just utterly clueless.
See Michael P Senger on Twitter.

Rose
Rose
Jul 28, 2021 8:01 PM

‘there is a bug’ – video will not load. I will go and find it elsewhere but Off-Guardian, give a direct link to source for those experiencing this issue.

For more information on the propaganda (and hopeful news) of this past week, here is a blog with extensive videos of the best and the worst

https://www.unite4truth.com/post/best-worst-of-the-week-in-covid-from-freedom-protests-to-andrew-cuomo-s-a-vaccine-in-every-arm

Liverian
Liverian
Jul 28, 2021 9:56 PM
Reply to  Rose

In the interests of spreading some good cheer during dark times, would anyone care to share their experiences of comically nonsensical behavior by the general public?

I can start with an recent example. I saw a horizontally challenged gentleman leaving that well-known health food outlet McDonalds, holding a bag crammed full of instant diabetes. He waddled lethargically to his car and proceeded to squeeze himself in, like a pillow being shoved through a letter box, then methodically worked his way through a not insignificant amount of calorie laden burgers and fries. Clearly a health-conscious fellow, he made sure to put on his mask before driving away at high speed.

Ken Markle
Ken Markle
Jul 28, 2021 3:47 PM

But the question I keep asking, given that everything this man says is true, is… why? Why is this happening? Who gains from doing this to us? What do they gain?

Esteban Micco
Esteban Micco
Jul 28, 2021 4:06 PM
Reply to  Ken Markle

To anwsers you are looking for are in:The WEF’s “The great reset” & “UN Agenda 2030”
http://www.corbettreport.com you’ll find info about both

John Dena
John Dena
Jul 28, 2021 4:17 PM
Reply to  Ken Markle

It’s ALL related to the war between Christ the Creator of all there is and Lucifer/Satan a created angel…

Malatok
Malatok
Jul 29, 2021 1:55 PM
Reply to  John Dena

minus 5 and dropping…obviously the satanic pedovores were here snooping and down voting.

Jane
Jane
Jul 28, 2021 6:53 PM
Reply to  Ken Markle

Miller strongly implies that protests worldwide were the context for a worldwide crackdown via the (pandemic) rollout.
I have read elsewhere that they (TPTB) had to rush the plan out and therefore they made some mistakes.

It is possible that an atmosphere of developing and accelerating political crisis around the globe was the factor that prompted the early rollout date.A financial crisis was also brewing.

Altogether a great video.
Kudos to Mark Crispin Miller. It is also telling that the educational institution that employs him, NYU, basically canceled him when he started a class on propganda studies that focused on the (pandemic).

Rose
Rose
Jul 28, 2021 8:05 PM
Reply to  Ken Markle

I think it helps if one takes a step back.

Leaders have over reached to claim power & resources from time immemorial

Why would corrupt leaders want to control everything and own everything?

Because there is a dark aspect of human nature of ego, greed, vanity and hubris that drives the behavior

It always surprises me when I hear this question because most everyone would readily admit that power corrupts and people will do horrible things for money and control

But tell them to apply it to the current leaders and its…..WHAT….why? they would never do that

At best, it is a compliment to people who don’t think that way and can’t imagine anyone else having such brutal motives

At worst, its child level naive which each individual has a responsibility to confront to live responsibly and truthfully in this world.

Liverian
Liverian
Jul 28, 2021 8:38 PM
Reply to  Rose

I see this a lot. When referencing recent historical dictators like Mao, Hitler Stalin, Pol Pot, there seems to be a naive belief in most people that politicians like that belong to the past and couldn’t possibly exist in our modern, civilized society.

Spoiler alert: politicians names and faces may change, but the innate characteristics that make a person aspire to have dictatorial control over their fellow citizens do not.

jamie
jamie
Jul 29, 2021 9:39 PM
Reply to  Ken Markle

If you wake up and look out the window and your bike has been stolen, do you need to know why?

Carrie
Carrie
Jul 30, 2021 8:35 AM
Reply to  Ken Markle

When you know they lie, they know they lie, they know you know they lie & they keep lying. Why do you need motive? When are the actions of these folks not enough to stand up against without a full formented court case?

2fat2surf
2fat2surf
Jul 28, 2021 3:09 PM

His arguments would be difficult to refute in a court of law.
Great video.

NandorTheRelentless
NandorTheRelentless
Jul 28, 2021 2:39 PM

It’s a comfort to hear another human being echo my thoughts.

Liverian
Liverian
Jul 28, 2021 3:07 PM

Same – I’ve had an interest is WW2, psy-ops and propaganda for years now and have read voraciously throughout that time to further my knowledge. This man calmly and eloquently explains just how exactly it’s possible to subject an unlimited amount of people, regardless of intelligence, to a psychological operation and induce what is basically mass hypnosis.

One of the best videos I’ve seen, along with those of Dr Bhakdi, that expose the official Covid narrative for the dangerous and duplicitous propaganda that it is.

Paul Nicholls
Paul Nicholls
Jul 28, 2021 1:38 PM

Something I’ve been puzzling over lately. If you’ve received your mRNA `vaccination’ (twice, thrice, or even once) are you legally entitled to click those little CAPTCHA buttons that declare that “I am not a robot”, and/or “I am human” ?

TRM
TRM
Jul 28, 2021 6:03 PM
Reply to  Paul Nicholls

LOL. Good one.

Ort
Ort
Jul 28, 2021 8:08 PM
Reply to  Paul Nicholls

I despise the creators of CAPTCHA with the burning intensity of ten thousand white-hot suns.

I presume there are different levels of complexity available. Sometimes the bridges, traffic lights, or taxicabs are easy enough to spot, but more often than not I’ve struggled with truly sadistic CAPTCHA images that are deliberately ambiguous, and/or inexplicably present multiple “challenges” before allowing access.

I’m sure there are less trying, onerous methods to verify good-faith users without cruelly f**king with our heads.

Whoops, sorry– obviously seeing the diabolical acronym “triggered” this rant, although all I intended to write was that the least they could do is add the category “I was human”.

Peter Abraham
Peter Abraham
Jul 28, 2021 11:29 AM
Build Back Botter
Build Back Botter
Jul 28, 2021 11:29 AM

“Sophistication”? Hardly. Imagine being so insecure in your own abilities to rise in position that you have to conspire to corrupt public education, social discourse and mainstream media as much as possible.

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
Jul 28, 2021 5:57 AM

Miller appears confused on a key aspect. At one point, he says there is no proof the virus has been isolated. At another, later on, he says however that COVID has unique symptoms. Really? Haven’t many people pointed out that in fact its symptoms are pretty indistinguishable from other respiratory problems, including even the rather over cautious Lockdown Sceptics?

Jane
Jane
Jul 28, 2021 6:55 PM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

Agree. It seems that covid19 can present like a cold, or flu, or pneumonia. When it gets tot the pneumonia stage (of course the symptoms should have been treated at the earliest possible moment), it can turn really nasty and infect other organs besides the lungs. Particularly in the vascular system.

My understanding is that the villain is the spike protein that is specially engineered with custom molecules to cause this result.

AlexVZ
AlexVZ
Jul 29, 2021 12:31 AM
Reply to  Jane

I’ve just had it, which was mildly embarrassing for an arch sceptic. Basically flu-like for 4 days and loss of taste and smell (a symptom I’d completely derided until suffering from it!) . Although not in any way terrifying, it did feel ‘different’ which I think is because its a man-made bioweapon possibly..

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
Jul 29, 2021 1:24 AM
Reply to  Jane

One of the “pathogens” allegedly used in the engineering is HIV. Except HIV is not a pathogen. I think what’s really going on is an environmental toxin, like maybe graphene oxide.

les online
les online
Jul 28, 2021 4:12 AM

Rupert Murdoch’s national daily ‘The Australian’ threw its full weight behind the Hong Kong protesters. It was an ‘event’ full of moral lessons, and made for ideological exploitation.
The protesters (little David) taking on the Chinese Communists (Goliath) – fighting for Freedom against an authoritarian dictatorship.
Daily the papers pages were replete with stories of the mobs historic fight against the encroaching Darkness – until it emerged that some protesters were posting onto the net photos, names, addresses, of the state functionaries imposing the Communists will on the people of that small island…
‘The Australian’ could not support such ‘terrorism’ (A term always defined by the state, and applied only to its enemies)… Then a report emerged that little David was firing arrows from his bow at the states heavily armed Bother Boys. That Wouldnt Do !!
Henceforth the struggle was downgraded to Just Another Story.
Our Ruling Class supports Resistance to Tyranny – in Other Countries – but not violent resistance. A Progressive stance.

Jubal Hershaw
Jubal Hershaw
Jul 28, 2021 1:42 AM

Every time i watch TV, i voluntarily allow others to brainwash me, carry out a psyop on me.
I’m offered security (life etc insurance), security from GERMS (dis-infectants etc).
It’s mandatory for every movie to have a love scene, or two. I’m sure more ‘love-making’ takes place in TV shows, than by those watching.(“The Simpsons “do it every episode.)
I’m sure that if TV was to promote a full-length shift dress for Australia men – something like The Arabs wear, ideally suited for Australia’s hot, muggy, Summers, i, too, would race out and buy them.
And i’d deny that there was A Conspiracy, or psyops, influencing me.

NickM
NickM
Jul 28, 2021 7:31 AM
Reply to  Jubal Hershaw

“Arab wear, ideally suited for Australia’s hot, muggy, Summers”

Tested and confirmed by army medics who put thermometers down those baggy khaki shorts when our Desert Rats were fighting Rommel. I seem to remember a short Note to Nature.

Thom 9
Thom 9
Jul 28, 2021 1:17 AM

Mark Crispin Miller frames the Covid propaganda model perfectly. Share this video and let’s spread the cure!

Marcello
Marcello
Jul 28, 2021 1:41 AM
Reply to  Thom 9

Agreed, I love this guy, he is brilliant.
Being in the State of NY though, he better watch his 6

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jul 28, 2021 6:34 PM
Reply to  Marcello

He’s been a legal battle to keep his job for months now.

TRM
TRM
Jul 28, 2021 12:52 AM

And in a place called “REALITY” the vaccines are striking out in record time. Israel (99+% Pfizer) are showing ZERO benefit after only 2-3 months. ROTFLMAO.

https://goldtadise.com/?p=502747

Wow that was worth all the short term risk of clots, strokes, heart attacks and the potential long term effects of ADE, mad cow, Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s etc.

Joki
Joki
Jul 27, 2021 9:56 PM

I’m gonna get all preachy for a moment and read a passage from The Book of Jokimoto (that being me, and yes, copies are available from mad prophets everywhere; inquire at your local homeless shelter):

Remember the people who are currently assisting the State in subjugating you.

Remember which restaurants, bars, gyms, school districts, politicians, churches, civic organizations, grocery stores and others have demanded a right to know your medical history and decisions.

Remember which ones barred you from entry.

Remember which ones treated you like a leper.

Remember which ones towed the establishment line without question.

Do not forget these things, or these people, or what they did to you.

WRITE IT DOWN IF YOU FEEL YOU NEED TO.

I am serious. Write down the names of every person, business or official toady who worked with the State to pressure you into compliance with its demented wishes. Keep that list in your wallet or purse if you need to. Tack a copy of it on your wall over your PC, so that any time you want to purchase something online you can consult it; to remind yourself that those assholes demanded you give up your right to privacy, and/or your right to safety and security of your own body.

Because should you succeed in your quest to stop this madness, those people are going to seek to hide. They’re going to want to go back to the obscurity in which they resided before this nightmare afforded them the opportunity to be praised for their obedience. They’re going to be desperate to retreat from what they said, and did, and promoted and supported.

Do not let them.

Do NOT molest, antagonize or otherwise harm them, however, in any way but one…

… harm their wallets.

Let them feel the pain of their actions by refusing to fuel their livelihood, for as long as you feel is justified as payment in kind.

So says The Book of Jokimoto a.k.a. The Wisdom of the Insane a.k.a. One Man’s Battle Against Branch Covidianism or How I Learned to Triplethink.

Amen.

Gregory Fisher
Gregory Fisher
Jul 27, 2021 11:26 PM
Reply to  Joki

Hunt them. They are scheduled for V.

TRM
TRM
Jul 28, 2021 12:57 AM
Reply to  Gregory Fisher

Paraphrasing Irishman Michael Collins advice:

Attack the locals. Isolate and eliminate. The higher ups are too well protected and even if you could get them, they will just be eulogised and replaced by another flunky.

Follow the locals going along with it home. Isolate and eliminate. They are part of the bureaucracy enforcing it so they are fair game. 

Now that may seem a little harsh but Shamir and Mandela thought highly of Collins’ tactics and put them to use effectively. Say what you want about those 3 chaps and their political views, tactically they got the job done.

Ipseity
Ipseity
Jul 27, 2021 8:57 PM

Mark Crispin Miller has no credibility.

Any media scholar worth listening to would not just compare media coverage of COVID-19 to wartime propaganda. They would compare it to previous pandemics–for example, the one that killed 50 million occurring during Miller’s paradigm case for propaganda, WWI!! Or how about the SARS pandemic? Actually comparing similar cases would lend much more credibility to what Miller has to say, and would him to different conclusions. Miller’s approach is lazy and dishonest.

His strongest claims and suggestions, e.g., that the US and China collaborated in some way to use the virus for political ends, that it has something to do with organic protest around the world, are not backed up. These are presented as innuendo, planted as hypotheses that are not explored. People fall for this all the time in Off-Guardian, though.

Finally, Miller uses the lamest and most anecdotal medical evidence he can find (e.g. walking past a hospital in NYC–presumably in a Manhattan abandoned by much of its population in Spring 2020 and where NYU is, rather than in the boroughs, where the virus was really taking its toll). He shows no awareness of the nuances of developing scientific findings regarding masking, symptoms and treatment.

This kind of crap is not intended to provoke meaningful debate; it only helps those already invested in some conspiracy narrative to confirm that they were right in their suspicions all along.

Wraith
Wraith
Jul 27, 2021 10:51 PM
Reply to  Ipseity

Propaganda –
“Information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view.”

It has been used from the outset to try and discredit the “conspiracy theorists”

Unfortunately for them, the facts don’t back their official narrative fiction. Ergo their propaganda is exactly the same as any other, to spread disinformation and supress the truth.

We are at war.

Ipseity
Ipseity
Jul 28, 2021 12:50 AM
Reply to  Wraith

Thanks for NOT responding to any of my points.

Wraith
Wraith
Jul 28, 2021 2:28 AM
Reply to  Ipseity

Did you have any?
Apart from you can’t compare war propaganda with covid propaganda?

I think I made it very clear that you can, you clearly didn’t understand what propaganda means, now you know.

As for the “conspiracy narrative”, would you like to enlighten us with some facts to disprove that “narrative” or strengthen your argument?

Good luck.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jul 29, 2021 2:38 AM
Reply to  Ipseity

What is the point, you are brainwashed.

Joki
Joki
Jul 27, 2021 11:58 PM
Reply to  Ipseity

“This kind of crap is not intended to provoke meaningful debate….”

Is this?:

“Mark Crispin Miller has no credibility.”

Or does it…

“…only helps [sic] those already invested in some… narrative to confirm that they were right in their suspicions all along.”

?

Your supporting evidence that he is not credible:

-He doesn’t compare to past pandemics
-His claims “are not backed up”
-He uses “anectdotal evidence”

Since you provide no evidence to support point 2 I’ll ignore it for the moment.

Ditto for point 3, in that you don’t provide evidence that the “the virus” is “taking its toll” outside Miller’s interest. You just state that it is, almost like something “presented as innuendo“….

So your only “substantiated” claim is that he isn’t comparing to past pandemics, but since that disagreement is based on your opinion I can’t bring myself to dismiss the poor man entirely just because he isn’t doing what you want.

Ipseity
Ipseity
Jul 28, 2021 1:02 AM
Reply to  Joki

That Miller needs to use past pandemics is not a matter of opinion; it is a matter of common sense when discussing history and culture. We are not at war. Compare apples to apples, and leave the oranges out.

He raises suspicion that there is a vast conspiracy behind it, but just raises suspicion. (“not backing up claims”) This is not the way that media historians or any other academic presents information, and discredits one’s overall point. In academic presentations, you discuss the limitations of your own evidence, rather than simply hinting that it suggests something like a global conspiracy agreed to by China and the US.

As for the virus taking its toll in the NYC boroughs, what kind of evidence would satisfy you?

https://www.democracynow.org/2020/4/15/headlines/nyc_coronavirus_toll_tops_10_000_as_thousands_of_uncounted_deaths_added

Just this one link has more evidence than anything Miller comes up with while walking around Manhattan–and this source ain’t the MSM.

This is not about what I “want,” it is about what constitutes (in)credible arguments and what represents “evidence.” I’ve shared my criteria for these, if you have some, I’d love to hear them.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jul 28, 2021 2:27 AM
Reply to  Ipseity

Democracy Now? You gotta be kidding! DN! has long presented government propaganda as cutting edge independent news. I stopped watching Amy Goodman 10 years ago, on Syria for example, when she’d routinely present people who worked for State Dept-funded think tanks as unbiased commentators. DN! is funded by the Ford Foundation (among others), who is a known CIA front. You just blew your cover!!! Democracy Now! lost its credibility years ago; it might as well be NPR.

Ipseity
Ipseity
Jul 28, 2021 3:26 AM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

I asked you if you wanted other evidence, and I can provide it. What source do you want?

Also: I addressed your relatively weak counter-arguments to the points I made in my original response.

You guys can’t deal with rational arguments. All you want is to continue feeding your outrage with BS like that peddled by MCM.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jul 28, 2021 5:02 AM
Reply to  Ipseity

There’s mountains of evidence of fraud. Every aspect of the Official Narrative TM is a lie – every one. Just spend some time searching Off-Guardian alone, you’re fine massive evidence. Your points would have had a lot more traction here in the Spring of 2020. People would have been more willing to engage you. But people’s positions are pretty entrenched by now. Why did you come here?

Here’s a good summary from last week if you are really interested.
https://off-guardian.org/2021/07/17/yeadon-sums-it-up/

Wraith
Wraith
Jul 28, 2021 2:38 AM
Reply to  Ipseity

So, how many past pandemics can you name where civil liberties have been taken by the government?

Men fought and died in two world wars to allegedly protect our freedom, only to be taken away in eighteen months by a virus. Let that sink in for a moment.

What evidence do you have to enable a government to take away anyone’s freedom?

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jul 29, 2021 2:35 AM
Reply to  Wraith

Indeed. The state of emergency is the elephant in the room. None of the Covid measures would be legal, the lockdowns, restrictions, social distancing, masks, PCR tests, forcing businesses to close, and of course the experimental “vaccines” would be illegal too. We’ve lost our right to free speech, freedom of movement, right to assemble and for all intents and purposes, the freedom to organize to fight back against these abrogations.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jul 28, 2021 3:05 AM
Reply to  Ipseity

Here, you wanna see evidence of major government, Big Pharma, CDC and MSM collusion and propaganda regarding a (fake) pandemic all to get 10’s of millions of Americans to take a vaccine they didn’t need and did permanent neurological damage to thousands?

Here’s an episode of 60 Minutes on the fake swine flu pandemic of 1976. This is back when genuine investigative reporting actually happened on major media. It’s less than 15 minutes long, you have no excuse for not watching it.

Ipseity
Ipseity
Jul 28, 2021 3:28 AM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

I will watch this, but whatever the case being made, it does not address my three principal concerns with the MCM video.

So far, the points made in my original post still stand unchallenged.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jul 28, 2021 3:37 AM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

If the link takes you to the wrong place, search on YT for “60 Minutes: Swine Flu (1976)”. Even if you search with the exact title (above) YT doesn’t show it until the 17 video!

Ipseity
Ipseity
Jul 28, 2021 3:38 AM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

This video is informative. However, it deals with “alleged cases” and one case in particular. No hard evidence, no stats.

It shows the contingency of science when it comes to the exponential spread of viruses and the unpredictability of mutations, their interactions with human physiology etc. The fact that these are all changing is only used as evidence in Off-Guardian that the gov’t doesn’t know what it’s doing (or is it an expertly-planned Chinese-US conspiracy?)

Like all of the other replies to my original post, this does not in any way address my 3 principal concerns with the MCM video.

I’m waiting.

Wraith
Wraith
Jul 28, 2021 11:48 AM
Reply to  Ipseity

Waiting for what?
People were dying in the suburbs you say, would that be the suburbs where most retired people live, and where most of the care homes are situated?
Old people tend to die, especially when they are kept in camps and systematically exterminated, ask Andrew Cuomo, he is an expert in that field.
Now compare NY state to Florida.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jul 28, 2021 2:15 PM
Reply to  Ipseity

The CDC, The WHO, the Media and Big Pharma created thru a massive propaganda campaign the perception in the public mind that there was a dangerous disease based on those “alleged cases” of swine flu. There was never even one confirmed incidence of swine flu – not one. Through the propaganda of fear they got 40 million Americans to take a vaccine not only that they didn’t need at all, but was cripplingly harmful to thousands – not because of a concern for public health, but for profit! You can see in what look like slick advertisements the idea of “being responsible for the safety of others” the pressure/coercion to get the shot. Today that has been weaponized in a 24/7 fear campaign that has not stopped. It is worth noting that this 60 Minutes episode (made in 1979) was 3 years too late! The damage had already been done, the profits already made, the precedent of being able to pull off this big of a con established. That was 45 years ago… For anyone that has seen this video, one thing that they can’t say is that these institutions would never do anything like that – because they already have.

Claret
Claret
Jul 28, 2021 4:14 AM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

Thanks! An absolute must-see!

Liverian
Liverian
Jul 28, 2021 3:19 PM
Reply to  Ipseity

“That Miller needs to use past pandemics is not a matter of opinion; it is a matter of common sense when discussing history and culture. We are not at
war.”

Warfare takes many forms: physical, psychological, religious, ideological, propaganda / information, et cetera. We are currently involved in a war, whether you wish this to be the case or not, against those who wish to remove our existing freedoms, allegedly for our own safety (sounds familiar).

Ernest Judd
Ernest Judd
Jul 28, 2021 8:26 PM
Reply to  Ipseity

The bottom line is that this fake pandemic is constituted NOT on Public health, but is USING the moniker of Public Health to lead a multi-pronged attack on EVERYTHING that has more or less glued societies in ‘Western Democracies’. Even with all the propaganda and disinformation about virtually EVERYTHING about our history, culture and values, until now the TOXIC NARCISSIST gene remained dormant.

What you presnt here on a site that actually gives a shit about the likes of you is virtually everything this video is NOT. YOU are just calling out people understanding that this is an assault on their health sovereignty. You use absolute dis-informartion , “the one that killed 50 million occurring during Miller’s paradigm case for propaganda, WWI!!” That amount of death would also include all the sacrificed soldiers, also victim to the dis-information and propaganda campaign. Somewhat clever, to the not-so-informed, but a fucking tragedy, as YOU are elevating your wokeness to the level of obedient narcissist.

You have CHOSEN to PROSTITUTE your health sovereignty for the PROMISE OF FUTURE “NORMALCY”. And further, that puts your existential position to the point of becoming a SLAVE.

I, and others that did NOT take the Kool-Aid will challenge you at every turn.
Go comment on a MSM site, and get the validation you desperately desire.

TRM
TRM
Jul 28, 2021 1:18 AM
Reply to  Joki

LOL. Well played sir/madam, well played indeed.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jul 28, 2021 12:34 AM
Reply to  Ipseity

Mark Crispin Miller’s credibility comes from his decades of writing about propaganda and the media, not because he didn’t satisfy your bullet points. If you choose to dismiss his argument (and there’s voluminous supporting evidence for what he’s saying in the video on his as well as Off-G’s website) it says more about you than him.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jul 28, 2021 12:52 AM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

Also the scale, breadth and sophistication of the Covid propaganda campaign is far more like war propaganda than anything else. It is totally appropriate to compare it to that.

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
Jul 28, 2021 6:03 AM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

Oh come on, can’t you see that this Ipsetty entity is a 77th Brigade op? 🙂

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jul 28, 2021 3:31 PM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

First, I think this person is an American. Democracy Now! is a small “progressive” news outlet reaching maybe 400k viewers per month. They call themselves independent but they rely on (big) foundation funding. A decade ago or more I used to be a regular. But as has happened with all the leftist sites I used to frequent I started seeing dubious reporting happening more and more regularly. Basically all they do now is put a “progressive” spin on otherwise liberal propaganda. What’s the US equivalent of the 77th Brigade?

Susan Ball
Susan Ball
Aug 2, 2021 10:44 AM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

Agreed. I used to be a devoted fan of Amy Goodman’s DM for many years, until I started questioning the climate narrative and saw her interview Michael Mann. Shameful obsequiousness. Later the same grovelling attitude towards Greta.
Amy was a brave and adventurous reporter out in the field, but the Left has blithely marched off the cliff, and I for one, am not following.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Aug 2, 2021 3:20 PM
Reply to  Susan Ball

RE: Amy was a brave and adventurous reporter out in the field

That was 30 years ago.

Speaking of “obsequiousness”, Amy has done multiple fawning interviews of the “feminist icon” Gloria Steinam w/o ever mentioning that she was a paid CIA asset during her glory years. Wouldn’t that be an important detail if you have a news program that calls itself independent?

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Jul 28, 2021 3:40 AM
Reply to  Ipseity

The Wuhan flu was rather lackluster as pandemics go and fizzled out rather quickly as have all the recent ones such as Sars etc.. Covid is a political position not a medical condition . A justification for a wide ranging profit driven attempt a globalization through social engineering as the Age of the Eunuch replaces the Information Age . However the eunuchs are simply placeholders as the new species of transhumans becomes self aware

les online
les online
Jul 28, 2021 8:20 AM
Reply to  Ipseity

Latest research: between 17 to 18 million died from the ‘Spanish ‘flu’ pandemic. Many from tuberculosis or bacterial pneumonia, or high dosings of Beyer’s Aspirin.

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
Jul 28, 2021 12:29 PM
Reply to  Ipseity

Well, other medical evidence from New York he cited was that unearthed by undercover nurse Erin Olszewski who I think revealed sound evidence that systematic murder was taking place through intubation.

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
Jul 28, 2021 12:42 PM
Reply to  Ipseity

MCM is not claiming that a similar psyop was conducted around any previous pandemic so why would he need to compare media coverage of previous pandemics? Such comparison would be instructive, of course, in so far as it would reveal that was far more balanced and varied coverage of the latter but there is a limit to what you can cover in a half-hour interview.

Judith
Judith
Jul 27, 2021 5:34 PM

Great interview. Thanks.

His own experience about being vilified at NYU is the quintessential shake down story.

Howard
Howard
Jul 27, 2021 5:18 PM

The “best case scenario” of this entire COVID nonsense would be the final nail in science’s coffin. Science long ago ceased being a method of investigating natural phenomena to become a great big club to beat the populace into submission.

Hint: you can only beat someone so severely before you kill them. And the vaccine may be the final blow that takes people out. At which point, those remaining may finally see the light and chuck science altogether.

And what to replace it with? How about looking around and seeing what actually is – instead of contemplating quantum this and sub-atomic that and entangled particle the other.

Claret
Claret
Jul 27, 2021 6:16 PM
Reply to  Howard

‘How about looking around and seeing what actually is – instead of
contemplating quantum this and sub-atomic that and entangled particle
the other.’

……
Yes Howard, Most people get blinded by scientistic jargon. Big bangs and black holes, a zillion million light years away indeed.

Oscar
Oscar
Jul 27, 2021 6:38 PM
Reply to  Howard

$cience is winning the battle over science

TRM
TRM
Jul 28, 2021 1:19 AM
Reply to  Oscar

Perfect. I’m going to use it. I owe you beers.

Joki
Joki
Jul 27, 2021 6:58 PM
Reply to  Howard

“…contemplating quantum this and sub-atomic that and entangled particle the other.”

The Science is just as much of a rabbit hole as any other pursuit when one has such nifty tools as “entanglement at a distance” and “quantum” thingies that can be here, there, everywhere at once, right? The possibilities are endless when one is willing to plug an infinity or zero into an equation and still somehow expect a non-infinite result in turn.

It’s a profitable rabbit hole for them, and I happen to know what’s at the bottom because it’s the same thing that’s at the bottom of every rabbit hole: always more hole and never enough rabbit.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Jul 27, 2021 8:20 PM
Reply to  Howard

I’d guess the problem we have boils down to far too many people being schooled in media science and not enough being schooled in science science. Science education is relatively expensive, its also something that many people find difficult to learn. Words, on the other hand, are in infinite supply and are totally malleable.

I live in a community that has a biotechnology company as its largest single employer. Because of this there’s a good chance that your neighbor works in this or a related field. These people understand the science, they’re not some mysterious ‘them’ that live in a volcano plotting to take over the world, they’re just like you and me except for their specialist skills. Like the rest of us they understand science as a method. Its not about absolute truth because at the leading edge there’s uncertainty. Articles that attack it as a belief system, as valid as any other belief system, are missing the point entirely.

It is a fact that in the US the vast majority (>99%) of people being hospitalized with severe Covid symptoms are not vaccinated. Vaccination reduces significantly the chances of being infected — it won’t eliminate it because nothing’s 100%. No amount of verbiage, manipulation of statistics or outright denial that Covid, or indeed viruses in general, exist will change these numbers.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Jul 28, 2021 9:46 AM
Reply to  Martin Usher

Remember how a few weeks ago you were telling us all how lockdowns and experimental chemical injections were about to give you your freedom back in California?

How’s that working out?

Your last para isn’t a fact, it’s claim at best, at worst it’s a shill talking point presented – with identical wording btw – by several other entities here.

Ort
Ort
Jul 28, 2021 7:56 PM

That’s his story, and he’s sticking to it! 😉

Peter Abraham
Peter Abraham
Jul 28, 2021 11:18 AM
Reply to  Martin Usher

Lying shill.

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
Jul 28, 2021 12:48 PM
Reply to  Martin Usher

Well, the latest figures from Israel show no statistally significant variation between the percentage of those hospitalized and the percentage of the population which has been “vaccinated”.

Ernest Judd
Ernest Judd
Jul 28, 2021 8:30 PM
Reply to  Martin Usher

You have CHOSEN to PROSTITUTE your health sovereignty for the PROMISE OF FUTURE “NORMALCY”. And further, that puts your existential position to the point of becoming a SLAVE.

I, and others that did NOT take the Kool-Aid will challenge you at every turn.
Go comment on a MSM site, and get the validation you desperately desire.

Susan Ball
Susan Ball
Aug 2, 2021 10:48 AM
Reply to  Martin Usher

Nonsense. Most hospital admissions recently are already injected.

Peter
Peter
Jul 28, 2021 4:35 AM
Reply to  Howard

Science can never create a Manta Ray or a black crowned crane. It does on the other hand lead mankind to the brink of extinction and then pushes it over the cliff.

8thAvatar
8thAvatar
Jul 27, 2021 4:51 PM

here in Northeast US – New Jersey, a sample of daily dose of propaganda and fear mongering against those who refuse to take this so called “vaccine”.

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“Mandate the vaccine. Those who refuse the vaccine are putting us all at risk.”

Joki
Joki
Jul 27, 2021 7:00 PM
Reply to  8thAvatar

The article spelled the author’s name wrong, I see. It’s m-o-r-O-n, not m-o-r-A-n, Star-Ledger Editorial Board. Can’t you guys even spellcheck these days?

grr
grr
Jul 28, 2021 7:21 AM
Reply to  8thAvatar

That “parent” is a disgrace. he not just wants to create an orphan but wants to ruin his daughter’s respiratory health too. FFS my head hurts.

RobG
RobG
Jul 27, 2021 4:36 PM

Dare I say that the psychos who rule us are well aware that people will be leaving the likes of ScrewYouTube, Twatter and FuckBook in droves.

I’m not saying that Crispin Miller is not totally sincere here (he obviously is); just saying that the psychos have all the bases covered.

Sean Mahoney
Sean Mahoney
Jul 27, 2021 3:35 PM

Thank you for posting this. What an excellent summary and encapsulation of the paradigm of fear unleashed in 2020.

Hank
Hank
Jul 27, 2021 3:23 PM

Number 1 golfer in the world Jon Rahm to miss Olympics tested positive after being vaccinated last month?

The same golfer tested positive 2 months ago leading a tournament by 6 shots when they stopped him from winning

Now after a month of vaccination tested positive again and will miss the Olympics. You cannot get corona twice especially after fake vaccination. You have immunity after the 1st time you get it. He has never been sick with symptoms.

What bullshit. So much for the science and immunity. Rahm has now 2 natural immunities and 1 fake one. You can’t make this shit up. What’s he gonna do if he tests positive for a third time?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/jon-rahm-covid-reinfection-bryson-dechambeau-test-positive-olympic-golf-11627182738

MBJ
MBJ
Jul 27, 2021 4:29 PM
Reply to  Hank

Poor bloke. In the public eye. Tested so often. It is not like golf is a contact sport. Perhaps he could start an underground golf movement or club? Just putting that out there.

Oscar
Oscar
Jul 27, 2021 6:45 PM
Reply to  MBJ

Hmmm nice concept, Underground Golf… referreed by wombles, the 18th hole could be Wimbledon Underground Station. Approaching the north platform we have Tiger…… oh fuck what a mess the 13.51 was early

Ort
Ort
Jul 27, 2021 10:10 PM
Reply to  MBJ

Except for the fact that everyday golfing is typically done in small groups, the solitary golfer. sans caddy, is the epitome of “social distancing”.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Jul 28, 2021 3:45 AM
Reply to  Ort

Golf is the preferred form of recreation for the investor class and always has been in America. That millions consider it a sport is truly astounding .
Pro Golf was the first organization to declare covid over in action if not in words . No masks no distancing required.

Ort
Ort
Jul 28, 2021 7:53 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

When I worked for a Pennsylvania state agency, golf was a status symbol, or status activity. The Central Office hierarchy in Harrisburg golfed.

Ambitious “rising star” types in the lower echelons would “casually” brag about being included in golf outings with the executive poobahs.

Naturally, we non-ambitious despisers of such “90-day wonders” would joke behind their sinewy backs that they probably served as caddies. They certainly had the servile temperament, and would be happy to caddy if it helped them advance up the chain, chain, chain of command.

Hmm, I suddenly feel that it might be prudent to exclaim, “But don’t get me wrong– I’m not an ‘anti-golfer’!”

Samuel L. Clemens, aka Mark Twain, is surely on the all-time Top Ten List of eminently quotable people to whom apocryphal quotes are routinely misattributed.

To put it in a less syntactically convoluted way, Mark Twain probably didn’t say or write 99 out of a hundred quotes attributed to him. I’ve read a lot of his output, but I’m still never sure whether a given quote is authentic or not.

This gratuitous preamble wrote itself when I thought of one of my favorite “Twain” quotes, which I’m not inclined to authenticate:

Golf is a good walk spoiled.” 😉

Ernest Judd
Ernest Judd
Jul 28, 2021 8:31 PM
Reply to  Ort

… a long walk, ruined!

dr death
dr death
Jul 27, 2021 6:28 PM
Reply to  Hank

a perfect illustration to those who think/hope being injected will make any qualitative difference to their so called rights/restrictions (you are merely ceding more control to the reprobates)…

observe the levels of persecution meted out to a compliant and famous sports-ball person, it’s clear the injected imbeciles (and that includes rich peasants) are going to be treated considerably worse, particularly when a great number will be seriously ‘compromised’ with vasculitis-like illness..

clubs won’t be much fun with your extremities shrivelling up from clots and falling off.. (not sexy)..

the whining hypocritical mendicant media…. its screeching appeals to force the ‘deniers’ on the needle/people must ‘submit’ to save geriatric octogenarians etc etc is all becoming a bit forced and hysterical….. and comes straight from the davos blob… (they don’t have the numbers baby)…

ignore….

only imbeciles submit themselves to corporate euthanasia for the imaginary microsoft coff….

Oscar
Oscar
Jul 27, 2021 6:42 PM
Reply to  Hank

Bollox to convid discussions, I want know since when has golf been an Olympic sport FFS

Peter
Peter
Jul 28, 2021 4:23 AM
Reply to  Hank

The Olympics are a wasteful distraction and an opportunity to hit large segments of the population with propaganda. What this fellow ought to do is stop whacking a little white ball around and use his own and fight the deepening dystopia which threatens our very survival.

Ernest Judd
Ernest Judd
Jul 28, 2021 11:52 PM
Reply to  Hank

it IS personal.
Someone has paid the authorities to prevent him from winning.
It cannot get anymore obvious than that.

Golf is a waste of land, though.

Trewpol
Trewpol
Jul 27, 2021 2:35 PM

Supermarket shelves are emptying and not being replenished because workers are being told to self isolate by an app.

Boris and his idiotic advisors are telling us to “tough it out” because the “pingdemic is happening because of the pandemic” while food and fuel shortages march towards us.

I remember it being said at the start of this BS that the response to Morona would be deadlier than the “virus” itself.

The government are now openly manufacturing the chaos yet Covidians are still bowing to their BS diktats.

MAKES YOU WANNA SCREAM!!

shamen
shamen
Jul 27, 2021 3:28 PM
Reply to  Trewpol

If that was case wouldn’t the whole shop be closed due to a member of staff being texted or testing positive for bs19!? nope doesn’t happen in the big shops but does happen in the smaller shops.

The issue with the shelve according to Sainsbury HQs is actually a transport issues due to the e.u lorry drivers having issues reapplying for the licences, in which brexXit has fitted in perfectly in to covid .

I got colleagues who sell to EU and buy from EU and since xmas due to brexXit they had severe issues with getting their stock over due to law changes.

Dayne
Dayne
Jul 27, 2021 4:25 PM
Reply to  Trewpol

Yep, let’s all lock ourselves in the basement and die. Maybe that will appease the overlords.

Trewpol
Trewpol
Jul 27, 2021 6:37 PM
Reply to  Dayne

We laugh but I’ve witnessed some things that’d make your head explode!!!

Even a member of the weirdest cult would balk at these peoples ritualistic behaviour!

RobG
RobG
Jul 27, 2021 4:40 PM
Reply to  Trewpol

Arby
Arby
Jul 28, 2021 12:19 AM
Reply to  Trewpol

‘The police State government’. As Iain Davis recently pointed out, by now people should be clear on the fact that governments are not in control.

Trewpol
Trewpol
Jul 28, 2021 10:30 AM
Reply to  Arby

100% – Thanks for link Arby

Arby
Arby
Jul 28, 2021 12:34 PM
Reply to  Trewpol

You’re welcome.

Liverian
Liverian
Jul 28, 2021 3:29 PM
Reply to  Trewpol

Problem -> reaction -> solution = basic marketing strategy.

There’s no lack of food. What’s happening is an engineered crisis, created by keeping perfectly healthy factory / distribution / supermarket employees from working. A few pictures of empty shelves spread like wildfire on social media and start a mass panic, but rest assured the government will step in with a convenient solution – mass testing and vaccination of employees. MARK MY WORDS.

Trewpol
Trewpol
Jul 28, 2021 4:17 PM
Reply to  Liverian

Absolutely

Don’t forget the lamestream media are spreading photos of empty shelves (BBC were called out for using photos from 2020) captioned “Don’t panic!”. These media hacks are following the instructions of their masters at SPI-B to the letter of terrorising the public by “increasing the levels of fear”.

The Government, Tech giants, corporations, media, various institutions and NGOs are all in on this caper and the poor masked up Covidian thinks it is all for their benefit!!

Sad times.

As you say Liverian – Ordo Ab Chao

Reuben
Reuben
Jul 27, 2021 2:34 PM

Again – the DATA – the backbone of the entire narrative – crumbling at an accelerated pace.
If the data is wrong…all the subsequent discussions are irrelevant.

“The Science” without The Data os just an educated op-ed

Majority Of Hospitalized Covid Patients In UK Only Tested Positive AFTER Admission: Leaked NHS Data
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/majority-hospitalized-covid-patients-uk-only-tested-positive-after-admission-leaked-nih

All three Data pillars of the official covid narrative have been throughly delegitimized

1. “Deaths” – overstated by ignoring comorbidities / financial incentives from CARES act, disappearance of other consistent mortalities etc.

2. “Cases” – CDC finally admits the PCR test is useless as it cannot distinguish b//w the cv19 and the flu – redefining the threshold for “cases” etc.

3. “Hospitalization’ – now exposed as post classified / retrofitted based on an invalid test to begin with – in addition to the previous misleading “full capacity” ICU claims (ICUs are constantly held at “full capacity” – empty ICU beds are financially absurd)

From ZH via The Telegraph
Over half of those hospitalized with Covid-19 in the UK only tested positive after admission – suggesting that “vast numbers are being classed as hospitalised by Covid when they were admitted with other ailments, with the virus picked up by routine testing,” according to The Telegraph, citing leaked government figures.

Again – start with the data
if the data is invalid – the context for the discussion is not suitable for debate

a) if your son is in love with a woman
b) and that woman turns out to be an imaginary friend
c) stop debating details of the wedding plan

Hugs
stay sane – be kind

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jul 27, 2021 4:30 PM
Reply to  Reuben

RE:“The Science” without The Data [i]s just an educated op-ed

I would say it is straight up propaganda, nothing “educated” about it. As faulty as the CDC and other “official” data are, the media seems disconnected from even that. Macron yesterday was saying that the unvaccinated are the reason for the spike in cases in France. claiming that the unvaxxed are responsible for untold deaths! There’s no data that supports that, even from “official” sources. Politicians and the Media just make shit up.

Ruben
Ruben
Jul 27, 2021 6:35 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

Thank you Tom
agreed – even as I typed it I knew the term “educated” was generous and likely misleading

more importantly – as you point out
the data itself is simply no longer a prerequisite for these “scientific” claims – which leaves proganda (not simply misguided op-ed) as the only proper classification

I still hold the data above the narrative, debate and propaganda as a critical foundational platform for protecting our collective sanity here – a framework of logical defense

I’m biased (regarding my hyper focus on data) as I’m at the tail end of a three decade career in analytics/data platforms /data science etc.- I’ve also had a six year stint as the principal analytical architect at a very prominent NGO currently central to this narrative. I’m intimately familiar with these key data providers (IHME, WHO, CDC, OECD etc.) and the structure, processing and often creative interpretation of their data.

I point this out not to identify as an “expert” but rather to express how imposisble it is for someone with my very specific background to ignore the massive biblical chasm between the narrative and the data (the “official” data – which itself is fraudulently compiled) and the excruciating endless uncovering of deception in the presentation and suppression of data on a weekly basis – its truly awe inducing

None the less – all of my analytical meta-analysis is also ultimately irrelevant

– to your point
– they just make shit up

– evidence is now itself “dangerous” and conspiratorial

but the sanity framework remains intact
and we have a (growing) community

Sgt Oddball
Sgt Oddball
Jul 27, 2021 7:34 PM
Reply to  Ruben

…Wielding Evidence is Terr’rist…

…Possession of Sanity is Extremist…

…- Welcome to the New Normal… – *Enjoy* your stay…

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
Jul 27, 2021 7:01 PM
Reply to  Reuben

The data have been contrived from day one. Most people don’t care, they’ve gotten used to doing what they’re told, no questions, even the normally rebellious have been won over by the “it’s about public health, only Trump supporters refuse to listen” argument (while Trump supporters obey because Trump told them to). This is not about data, it’s about mass obedience to a cult.

Liverian
Liverian
Jul 28, 2021 3:38 PM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

I have an in-law family member, genuinely nice guy, who unfortunately watches the news religiously and believes every word of it. He was overheard by another family member arguing for the use of masks, despite the fact that I know full well he hasn’t read a shred of scientific data regarding their effectiveness (or lack thereof).

I used to wear a FFP3 mask as part of a job (aerosol paints were involved) so I’m well aware of the data on mask safety, and haven’t worn one since this charade began. I’m sorely tempted to politely ask him to explain how masks work and point me to the research papers backing this up, knowing full well he can’t, but at the same time I really don’t want to embarrass him.

What do you think? Drop it on him or leave him to his delusions?

Arby
Arby
Jul 28, 2021 12:20 AM
Reply to  Reuben

Then there’s all cause mortality and I wish I had a link for you but I don’t.

Lance
Lance
Jul 27, 2021 12:44 PM

Have followed MCM for a while and believe he is a very credible speaker. What I particularly appreciated was his admitting to virus fear and his recovery of his wits when all that was originally presented to us in Jan/Feb 2020 didn’t appear to be happening. That resonated particularly strongly, especially those videos of people dropping dead in the streets (though the final straw for me was when they shifted from reporting daily death to daily cases (and I haven’t looked back)). It seems to me that it is ever more credible that this has been a co-ordinated campaign from the outset and I think it is portrayed here in a concise and credible manner. That he has emerged from virus fear to considered thinking that then leads him to draw the parallels to the Nazi regime and the ease with which you can control people through making them fearful epitomises exactly my own journey, which is now one of being brave enough to speak openly of the evil that has been practised upon all of us, ridicule aside.

Ipseity
Ipseity
Jul 27, 2021 8:59 PM
Reply to  Lance

Since you seem to think that Miller is credible, Lance, I repost this posting in reply:

Any media scholar worth listening to would not just compare media coverage of COVID-19 to wartime propaganda. They would compare it to previous pandemics–for example, the one that killed 50 million occurring during Miller’s paradigm case for propaganda, WWI!! Or how about the SARS pandemic? Actually comparing similar cases would lend much more credibility to what Miller has to say, and would him to different conclusions. Miller’s approach is lazy and dishonest.

His strongest claims and suggestions, e.g., that the US and China collaborated in some way to use the virus for political ends, that it has something to do with organic protest around the world, are not backed up. These are presented as innuendo, planted as hypotheses that are not explored. People fall for this all the time in Off-Guardian, though.
Finally, Miller uses the lamest and most anecdotal medical evidence he can find (e.g. walking past a hospital in NYC–presumably in a Manhattan abandoned by much of its population in Spring 2020 and where NYU is, rather than in the boroughs, where the virus was really taking its toll). He shows no awareness of the nuances of developing scientific findings regarding masking, symptoms and treatment.

This kind of crap is not intended to provoke meaningful debate; it only helps those already invested in some conspiracy narrative to confirm that they were right in their suspicions all along

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Jul 28, 2021 9:53 AM
Reply to  Ipseity

This kind of crap is not intended to provoke meaningful debate

A rare moment of self-reflection. It does you credit. If you feel like eschewing the crap and starting some meaningful debate how about you provide the ‘missing’ analysis you refer to above and imply, but do not state, would undermine MCM’s case?

Lance
Lance
Jul 28, 2021 6:19 PM
Reply to  Ipseity

I read the replies to this re-post above and so I see no reason to over labour in reply. To say that I find him credible having listened to the man on a number of occasions on a broad range of topics is one thing. That i found his period of believing and/or being concerned by the virus as presented was something that I equally experienced is another. Subsequent recovery of sense (over an approximately similar time frame as he posited) is another instant of like mindedness. A then often bewildering walk through the labyrinth of attempting to make sense of those things as portrayed before arriving at the same approximate conclusions (myself that is, not hanging my opinions on any passing hatstand) is of course another.
In all fairness, condensing my arguments into a half an hour in order to get to the gist would of course not lend quite the same sense of credibility to those who have either yet to fully undertake that journey, got lost along the way, or indeed, had no intention of turning the first of many corners.
To each his own.

highlander
highlander
Jul 28, 2021 11:02 PM
Reply to  Ipseity

Go away!

Peter
Peter
Jul 28, 2021 4:28 AM
Reply to  Lance

It’s the Huns. They never went away. Or that is the narrative.

Andre
Andre
Jul 27, 2021 11:47 AM

All this while Dr David E Martin explains how the coronavirus was not a “new” virus at all. Bombshell presentation with Fuellmich will clarify the history of patents, corruption and expose the criminal intent (includes Fauci, Daszak, Big Pharma etc.). Still on YouTube or on Mercola’s website.

Grant
Grant
Jul 27, 2021 1:32 PM
Reply to  Andre

Seen it. Dr Martin builds on his devastating Fuellmich testimony and goes even further with some high-octane speculation in last week’s interview on the Stew Peters show. A must-see: https://rumble.com/vk2bya-exclusive-dr.-david-martin-just-ended-covid-fauci-doj-politicians-in-one-in.html

JuB
JuB
Jul 27, 2021 3:46 PM
Reply to  Grant

By far the most relevant, in fact, crucial, information about this unprecedented attack by national governments, corporations and the WHO on the world population has been presented by Dr David Martin based on years of meticulous research. Why the silence in some of the independent media?

Here is Dr Martin putting it all in a broader context:
https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/dr-david-martin-exposes-the-tools-of-eugenicists-you-dont-have-dna/

Another crucial reseach paper I found only yesterday which enables better understading of the relentless and vicious push to vaccinate everyone, and now our children. The paper is from 2018 and it is about the pharma industry through the activities of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Please read!!!

Disrupting Global Health: The Gates foundation and the vaccine business,
Authored by: Jacob Levich
https://www.routledgehandbooks.com/doi/10.4324/9781315297255-20

Arby
Arby
Jul 28, 2021 12:26 AM
Reply to  Grant

I find Stew Peters to be frightening. But yes, that was a good interview.

Ann Caddigan
Ann Caddigan
Jul 27, 2021 4:14 PM
Reply to  Andre

https://www.bitchute.com/video/vK0Xc8eDrcVU/ Exposes all the fraudsters dating back to 2002 with the anthrax scare. It is a RICO crime against us all. Excellent video.

Arby
Arby
Jul 28, 2021 12:25 AM
Reply to  Andre

Martin looks at it from a specialized position, that of someone who is immersed in the patent universe. He ‘knows’. But his language is sometimes confusing because it’s highly technical. He clearly knows how virologists’ come up with viruses. They use computers. (It’s fraud.) Yet, He never explicitly states that viruses don’t exist, but in fact talks about them like they do. He’s too smart to claim that there’s a Sars CoV 2 virus. Too many of us know differently.

Shin
Shin
Jul 27, 2021 10:55 AM

How’s this shit. Sydney lockdown to be extended with pharmacies, mass clinics to offer under 40’s with the Astra-Zeneca needle.
We are living in the devil’s right hand.
Has there been toxicity studies? Hell know, why would we do that.

Ipseity
Ipseity
Jul 27, 2021 9:00 PM
Reply to  Shin

seriously, Shin? Of course there have been studies for vaccine toxicity, they’re called trials.

Also; learn the difference between “no” and “know”

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Jul 27, 2021 10:33 PM
Reply to  Ipseity

You learn the difference between complete/incomplete trials. A2

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
Jul 28, 2021 1:01 PM
Reply to  Ipseity

It is accepted in the industry that there need to be three phases of clinical trials. These have not taken place with the so-called vaccines.

dnomsed
dnomsed
Jul 27, 2021 10:50 AM

Excellent video. Thank you. 👍
Questions:
Was this propaganda campaign coordinated or spontaneous?
If coordinated – by whom, for what purpose?

Peter Abraham
Peter Abraham
Jul 27, 2021 12:59 PM
Reply to  dnomsed

This is a global coordinated psyop, the largest in history. The Rockefeller Lockstep document is proof this has been planned since at least 2010 if not much longer. China and the West are the main players but the brutal repression extends to every country in every corner of the globe. The goal is the creation of a global Orwellian dystopia that makes Oceania seem like paradise. Worse, the other goal is clearly depopulation.

Build Back Botter
Build Back Botter
Jul 28, 2021 11:37 AM
Reply to  Peter Abraham

“… this has been planned since at least 2010 if not much longer.”

MUCH longer.

“Who—one of the richest men in the world—loved the Mao Revolution in China? Who wrote about it glowingly, in the NY Times: “Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution [30-60 million killed by their own government], it has obviously succeeded not only in producing more efficient and dedicated administration, but also in fostering high morale and community of purpose. The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao’s leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history.” (“From a China Traveler”, The New York Times, August 10, 1973.)

Who sent his agent, the president of the United States, Richard Nixon, to China, a year earlier, to open up trade after 25 years of diplomatic isolation?

Whose family had staged a revolution in medicine in the early 20th century, ultimately forcing a pharmaceutical paradigm down the throats of billions of people?

Who extended the germ theory of disease to the point at which
populations would be hypnotized by it?

Who knew that medical tyranny and dictatorship were the roads to travel, in order to gain control of nations and bring in a new world order?

DAVID ROCKEFELLER.

His beloved Chinese system of slavery comes to America.

Speaking of re-imagining, here is a backgrounder I wrote four years ago. It lays out the operation known as the Trilateral Commission, created by David Rockefeller.

Its goal? A collectivist world, run as a corporate entity. What better excuse for its necessity than a global “pandemic?” Top-down governance of the planet, in order to detect the earliest signs of disease outbreaks anywhere…”

MBJ
MBJ
Jul 27, 2021 1:53 PM
Reply to  dnomsed

That is the question. Who stands to benefit? Money makers and energy eaters.

Sgt Oddball
Sgt Oddball
Jul 27, 2021 7:46 PM
Reply to  dnomsed

…- Here’s a little clue for ya:…

(L/H scale legend reads ‘Billions’ but since the figures of the scale itself are in *Thousands*, running to ‘20,000’, you may as well just say ’20 *Trillion*’…)

comment image?itok=poOy8TQI

Sgt Oddball
Sgt Oddball
Jul 27, 2021 7:50 PM
Reply to  Sgt Oddball

…NB: – To give perspective, $20Tn is just a little shy of a *Quarter* of annual *Global* GDB…

…- Pic from this article:…

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/heres-why-new-covid-relief-program-will-turn-working-class-serfs

Arby
Arby
Jul 28, 2021 12:28 AM
Reply to  dnomsed

Seriously? Is this the only alt media site you’ve ever visited? Did you just pop in today?

aspnaz
aspnaz
Jul 27, 2021 10:47 AM

Sadly, when the fascists say “We are doing this to keep you safe”, a large proportion of the population cannot see through that lie and see that these fascists enjoy hurting people.

They think the fascists may be making mistakes, but at least they are trying. The fascists enjoy hurting you.

One of the worlds biggest myths: people sometimes have to do bad things to you to make your life better.

Look back 40 years and you can see the rot with the benefit of hindsight: look back to when CEOs started awarding themselves huge salaries: greed on steroids. The current greed is even more on steroids.

ity
ity
Jul 27, 2021 10:27 AM

Talking of Psyops, I suspect that the idea that the virus doesn’t exist at all could itself be a seeded Psyop.

Is there another theory more likely to turn people away from sites such as this?

gorden
gorden
Jul 27, 2021 11:35 AM
Reply to  ity

bechamp was real
louis pasteur and germ theory was the murdering psy operation

Arby
Arby
Jul 28, 2021 12:29 AM
Reply to  gorden

Bingo. (ity: I would have went with “itty” myself.)

Build Back Botter
Build Back Botter
Jul 28, 2021 11:43 AM
Reply to  gorden

True. As long as science remains “scientism” and medicine remains “medicism”, there are no experts.

Even neoliberalism wasn’t real economics.

Prof. Stephanie Kelton’s bestseller The Deficit Myth was one of many heterodox economists that exposed all of its foundational lies and myths.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Jul 27, 2021 2:32 PM
Reply to  ity

Hello ity: I think you’ve hit upon the truth. The “virus doesn’t exist” theory is indeed a seeded psyop. I know I’ll get down votes for agreeing with you, but I really don’t give a damn. Viruses indeed exist, and tweaking virus pathogens is an ongoing practice.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt…

Arby
Arby
Jul 28, 2021 12:44 AM

They play with proteins and chemicals Paul. Viruses don’t exist. I take it that you dismiss Andrew Kaufman’s and Tom Cowan’s research and conclusions? (Not to mention the German Supreme Court’s ruling on the Stefan Lanka case de measles.) Not giving a damn whether the virus exists or not and concluding that those who say that they don’t exist are psyoperatives are two different things. (It’s interesting how those with different views than those you hold are automatically pegged as ‘seeding a psyop’.) I went into the covid 19 pandemic hoax not believing or disbelieving in viruses really. I mean, I believed in them but I had no reason to really question the idea and only believed in viruses in the sense that that was all I knew. The covid hoax gave me the opportunity to pay attention – that’s all it takes; special education even is not necessary – so that I came to realize that just about everything I know about medicine and health care is false. That’s because, like everyone else, I was born into a world in which Rockefeller health care science / ideology dominates. It’s all I knew. After more than 165 blog posts just on covid, I consider myself informed. Viruses don’t exist.

“Spike Proteins, Prions & Bioweapons” (Tom Cowan)

The virus is only the foundation of the entire covid 19 pandemic hoax.

“Sars Cov 2 – The Foundation Of The Hoax” (Andrew Kaufman)

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Jul 28, 2021 3:33 PM
Reply to  Arby

Hello Arby: There are hundreds of military grade bio weapons laboratories in the world, and they fly under many different flags. The annual expenditures are in the 100’s of billions per year – in various “denominations”.

There have been tens of thousands of persons employed in these facilities for the last 70 years, and they make allot of money when successful… What do they do from day to day? They tinker with various life forms to see how they can weaponize life…

I could supply links to alternate research papers, but what good would it do? You’ve already made up your mind…

Arby
Arby
Jul 28, 2021 10:03 PM

I don’t believe it. If you do, that’s fine. But I wouldn’t hate you for that. Maybe you’re a psyop. Maybe you aren’t. Addressing your claims: I just don’t buy germ theory.

There’s many thousands of doctors injecting people with vaccines… That doesn’t prove that those vaccines are safe or even do what they claim they do. It’s not about numbers of believers (who aren’t even all believers). Remember, Everyone needs a job in our unnatural money system. ‘If’ the bioweapons labs (or whatever) are not places where honest, productive and beneficial (to society as a whole) work is done, Would you really expect them to then report honestly on what they do?

“Covid 19 Injections Are Not Safe!” (Andrew Kaufman, Vernon Coleman)

There’s many thousands of doctors prescribing drugs…

“Is US Healthcare Really The Best In The World” by Barbara Starfield

“Willful Misconduct Aka Rockefeller Health Care – About 1 Million Deaths Per Year In The Us” (Andrew Kaufman)

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Jul 29, 2021 2:32 AM
Reply to  Arby

Hello Arby: If you had been infected with a weaponized disease, you’d change your mind regarding man made pathogenic substances…

I’ve reviewed Vernon Coleman on occasion, and often agree with his observations. The covid vaccine is not a vaccine. It’s a bio-weapon. A willfully poor “product” at best.

My belief is that ALL vaccines should be removed from the market, period. Application of vaccines should be considered an act of criminal assault, punishable with life imprisonment.

Man would be better off if we would just allow Nature to take it’s course… Nature will eventually force us off the planet. Ah well…

Arby
Arby
Jul 29, 2021 12:48 PM

I think that Coleman shovels propaganda, but, like most in my anti covid 1984 camp, he also shovels a lot of good push back against covid 1984. He’s spot on when he talks about the chemicals in drinking water and the dangers of vaccines.

Nature won’t drive man, who is a part of nature, off the planet. But the CAUSE of nature will soon disappear those humans who have deliberately and knowingly attacked him and nature.

Jubal Hershaw
Jubal Hershaw
Jul 28, 2021 1:17 AM

Isnt there a reward of 1.5 million euros for anyone who can demonstrate, by isolation, the existence of pathogenic virus ?

Joki
Joki
Jul 27, 2021 7:16 PM
Reply to  ity

“Talking of Psyops, I suspect that the idea that the virus doesn’t exist at all could itself be a seeded Psyop.”

I’ve seen several theories floated that could fall under the loose heading of “virus doesn’t exist”. None of them, from what I can tell, have proposed that no one is getting ill from anything, which would be the most radical theory of “doesn’t exist” right? That would certainly turn people off, but I’ve never encountered anyone making that claim.

Another “doesn’t exist” theory is that there is no new, identified, specific virus called “covid 19” or whatever. That theory is supported basically by technical arguments, when it comes down to it, and since most of us cannot access the original data and evidence we can only make deductions or inferrences, not our own direct observations.

Then there’s the “viruses don’t exist, period, as things that do what it is claimed they do; they are something else entirely if ‘they’ exist at all.”. Again: technical arguments, at root, which no one without some fancy tools and equipment can invesigate thoroughly.

Those last two shouldn’t turn anyone off, in my opinion, but to each their own.

“Is there another theory more likely to turn people away from sites such as this?”

-Lizard people are doing it.
-The Antichrist is doing it.
-“The Jews” did it.

And so on…

I don’t think the “the virus doesn’t exist at all” theory is in quite the same category, but to be fair you didn’t actually define what you meant by it, so I’m making that assessment based on my own thoughts.

Arby
Arby
Jul 28, 2021 12:50 AM
Reply to  Joki

Sars CoV 2 is the purported virus. Covid 19 is the name of the disease that that virus is supposed to cause. If the virus doesn’t exist, then you don’t have the disease that it’s supposed to cause – according to Rockefeller science (so-called). Rockefeller health care science / ideology is bunk but that doesn’t mean that I believe that there’s a Sars CoV 2 virus or a disease caused by it.

Sgt Oddball
Sgt Oddball
Jul 27, 2021 8:17 PM
Reply to  ity

…Then why the pervasive, *Wholesale* and *Industrial-Scale* statistical/data fraud, and relaxation/redefinition of data reporting and death registration standards, *Mandated* into ‘Law’ in many places via emergency ‘Legislation’?…

…- Why the Road Traffic Accident and Gunshot fatalities and Suicides, faithfully recorded as Covid-19 deaths, for instance?… – To say nothing of the *Multitudes* of *Advanced Elderly* with 3-… 4-… 5-… 6-… comorbidities?…

…- Why then the False Positive ‘Casedemic’, instrumentalised by a bogus PCR testing/processing regime which *Even The CD-Frickin’-C* has now belatedly acknowledged is *Wholly* unfit for purpose?…

Wraith
Wraith
Jul 27, 2021 8:49 PM
Reply to  Sgt Oddball

To make a mountain out of a molehill?

Reset the Diaboligarchy
Reset the Diaboligarchy
Jul 27, 2021 10:21 PM
Reply to  ity

Psyop?! C’mon, get real!!

Just because accusations of “Controlled Opposition” can always be tossed in the direction of ANY “virus-believing” member of the scientific or medical community who dares to speak the obvious truth regarding the COVID lies* (while conversely anyone who doubts the actual existence of pathogenic viruses can always VERY easily be dismissed as a crackpot biomed Flat Earther across all media platforms/online venues: what percentage of the public – to say nothing of those in medical/scientific fields – do you think believe in the existence of measles, herpes, or ebola, and would easily abandon such a belief after reading some comments in an online forum?) does not mean that this is likely to be an essential part of a highly-coordinated Intelligence strategy to undermine the dissident cause and to foment division and conflict within the COVID-skeptic ranks over the very existence or non-existence of the virus itself.

*cf. Petra Liverani
Jun 30, 2021 6:24 AM

With regard to Wodarg, Bhakdi, Lyons-Weiler, Cahill, Yeadon, Brindle, Fuellmich what all of them do not say is that there’s no “novel” virus. Most if not all of them are controlled opposition.

Big al
Big al
Jul 27, 2021 10:28 PM
Reply to  ity

Prove it. “They” want to make this fake vaccine mandatory. They want everyone on earth to take this fake vaccine, and not only once. They want everyone on earth to have a digital passport not only for this fake vaccine and virus, but for all aspects of all our lives, forever, and all the new viruses and whatever they want to make up. The situation could not be more serious for those of us who value freedom and liberty (and truth). And you want me to avoid talking about whether or not the so called “novel, i.e., new, coronavirus named COVID-19, which has been proven to not be proven to exist at this point, is real or not because it turns people away? I’m not getting it. Leaving out, ignoring, or dismissing the fundamental issue (i.e., whether this is real or not) of this whole thing isn’t going to win the war.

Build Back Botter
Build Back Botter
Jul 28, 2021 11:48 AM
Reply to  ity

It all stems from our gross misunderstanding of what viruses even are, due to the century long hijacking of the medical industry by JD Rockefeller, in order to build his petrochemical pharmaceutical empire.

Dr. Zach Bush is one of the clear voices out there who practices actual scientific medicine. Here he is explaining our human virome.

Corarden
Corarden
Jul 27, 2021 10:26 AM

Piers ‘the execrable one’ Morgan is ramping up the crucify the unvaxxed rhetoric- we are, in his opinion, destroying the world. If only he could see, when he gazes adoringly at himself in the morning mirror, what we see – he is exactly…exactly… what he projects onto others in the world. A bloviating, vainglorious, sadsack of pustulating expensive buffet spread.

Wayne Vanderploeg
Wayne Vanderploeg
Jul 27, 2021 2:32 PM
Reply to  Corarden

Don’t hold back.

Corarden
Corarden
Jul 27, 2021 8:10 PM

I did…in his case…I’ve got more

Shardlake
Shardlake
Jul 27, 2021 5:02 PM
Reply to  Corarden

Cross him off your Christmas card list.

Corarden
Corarden
Jul 27, 2021 8:11 PM
Reply to  Shardlake

hehe

Seansaighdeor
Seansaighdeor
Jul 27, 2021 5:04 PM
Reply to  Corarden

And his bad points..?

Corarden
Corarden
Jul 27, 2021 8:11 PM
Reply to  Seansaighdeor

lol

Sgt Oddball
Sgt Oddball
Jul 27, 2021 8:22 PM
Reply to  Corarden

…Now I’m never gonna be able to eat another buffet spread *Ever Again*…

Arby
Arby
Jul 28, 2021 12:52 AM
Reply to  Corarden

He’s… a virus!

George Mc
George Mc
Jul 27, 2021 9:56 AM

And again: heated news exchange about NHS resources and about how people who don’t initially test positive for the zombie plague may still reveal their demonic possession later. This of course means that every square millimetre of equipment they went within ten feet of will have to be de-loused for a week later.

You couldn’t think of a more effective way of sowing paranoia and making the health service completely unmanageable. Hey but as long as we are told about incompetence it’s OK to spend your wrath in a socially acceptable (and utterly impotent) way!

Shin
Shin
Jul 27, 2021 9:47 AM

There is no question we are witnessing a society devoid of self thought. Forget critical thought, but simply thought for their own self being. Has doubt flown out the window like the passport found on the street of 9/11, the red bandanna found on a shallow gravesite know as Shanksville. That fact the 10% of a building somehow crushes it’s greatest resistance in 13 seconds flat. A building that miraculously succumbed against the laws of Physics in building 7?
What happened to society that suddenly believes in myths? against the laws of Physics that are used more today than they ever have been.
Yet we are called conspiracy theorists for stating fundamental facts.
Are we really living in “society” or is society just by word?

Claret
Claret
Jul 27, 2021 12:27 PM
Reply to  Shin

Or how a passenger jet can allegedly travel at 600mph at such a low altitude. Or how thin aluminium can smash through heavy steel girders.

Shin
Shin
Jul 27, 2021 1:04 PM
Reply to  Claret

Exactly! Also steal girders weighting tonnes travelling 300 feet. Gravity goes down, not sideways at velocity.

Shin
Shin
Jul 27, 2021 2:16 PM
Reply to  Shin

It seems the down voter is an idiot!

Claret
Claret
Jul 27, 2021 6:05 PM
Reply to  Shin

Here’s a peculiar, crap quality, crash test vid from the 1960’s (I think) which for me spoke volumes when I first saw it. There were better versions available but are not so easy to find anymore it seems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4MOULvOxvI

Of course we see passenger jets as powerful ,strong, magnificent examples of engineering (which they are in many ways) but nowhere near strong enough to smash through those steel girders and the 200,000 tons of steel and concrete behind those perimeter columns. There are also loads of vids to find of old aircraft in scrapyards being ripped apart by machines which also show how fragile aircraft actually are.

Peter
Peter
Jul 27, 2021 11:52 PM
Reply to  Claret

Most of the fuselage is constructed from 1 mm alclad which has one third the density and one third the rigidity of steel. I used Timoshenko’s thin buckling formula to prove the B767 fuselage would have crumpled on impact while barely denting the massive steel facade of the South Tower.

Blind Gill
Blind Gill
Jul 27, 2021 7:22 PM
Reply to  Shin

Have you seen Rupert Sheldrake’s video on the measurement of gravitational force? Science has been fudging the figures for a while.

Marcello
Marcello
Jul 27, 2021 6:59 PM
Reply to  Claret

or at that speed with that density of air ripping the wings off.

Just a little note, did you know that the second plane that did that fancy ” peddle turn” just before smashing into the tower, did you know that at that speed you would have to initiate that turn 1 to 2 km ahead of time. So do the math,
600 mph, 1/8 mile per second. say. so around 15 seconds 1.5 miles out it means that pilot had extraordinary fast reflexes and able to do that calculation in a split second. So many amazing things on that day:)

Sgt Oddball
Sgt Oddball
Jul 27, 2021 8:28 PM
Reply to  Claret

…Max Immelmann himself, flying the frigging Bat-Plane couldn’t have pulled off that maneuver…

Liverian
Liverian
Jul 28, 2021 3:52 PM
Reply to  Claret

Or how buildings that weren’t even hit needed to be demolished…

Or how despite the alleged perpetrators being from Saudi Arabia an invasion of Afghanistan was justified (which is the equivalent of invading Spain because a Scotsman carried out a crime)…

But yes, the terrorist’s passport falling out of the plane just before it hit the tower is still my all time favourite (I think I first read that in the Daily Mail as a teenager). Hilarious, surreal, mind-boggling,

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Jul 27, 2021 2:42 PM
Reply to  Shin

Hello Shin: As you can see by “some” comments – as the oft repeated comments by Petra Liverani, there are some that avoid any discussion of physics. Many would rather believe in the religion of an inflated self. You know. The one that keeps them aloft and floating on thin air…

Shin
Shin
Jul 27, 2021 2:49 PM

G’day Paul, i’m open for discussion. I’m a retired mechanical engineer by trade. I build engines and have done for nearly forty years. I’m more than happy to delve into any question.

Claret
Claret
Jul 27, 2021 6:02 PM

‘Many would rather believe in the religion of an inflated self. You know. The one that keeps them aloft and floating on thin air…’
….
Isn’t that what some scienTITS do?

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Jul 28, 2021 3:17 PM
Reply to  Claret

Hello Claret: The inflated self is present in a multitude of occupations, and in a multitude of human subjects. It’s not the scientific occupation that corrupts the person. It’s the person that corrupts the science.

I would agree that we need much less science, and much more intelligence.

George Mc
George Mc
Jul 27, 2021 9:26 AM

Just heard a newsflash. More and more kids are being taken out of school to do home schooling. Maybe there’s a clue? The terrible pandemic means more and more services cannot operate on the old system I.e. when people went outside to meet each other. So we can scrap education, health and every other public service and all that tax money can go more profitably to the rich. Meanwhile the rest can stay in their peasant hovels under the new feudal hive arrangement.

Philippe
Philippe
Jul 27, 2021 11:21 AM
Reply to  George Mc

I heard the same.

Parents appear to be removing their children from state programming for a variety of reasons – most of them good, in my opinion.

There are those who don’t want to one day find out their child was vaccinated without parental consent (because that appears to no longer be needed).

There are those who can see where the curriculum is heading and don’t want their child to be immersed in such nonsense.

There are those who, having been forced to do it to some degree or other whilst under house arrest, have found that their child has come on in leaps and bounds, compared to when they had to sit in a classroom all day listening to irrelevances.

Then there are those who are doing it to ‘protect’ their children from covid.

I get the feeling that last group comprises a minority of fanatics. At least I hope so.

The teaching union(s) haven’t covered themselves in glory. None of the unions have, sadly. I suspect that, woven into the reasons surmised above, there is a reaction to the spineless, derelict, unethical and morally bankrupt behaviour of teachers throughout this global IQ test. If my children were still at school, I’d be pissed off with the teachers, so I assume others will be too.

I’m torn on whether home schooling is a good thing. It depends almost entirely on the parents. Having said that, almost anything has to be better than the compliance factories that we all attended (unless of course anybody here went to Eton etc, where you will have been taught that you are authority, rather than to submit to authority).

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Jul 27, 2021 2:46 PM
Reply to  Philippe

Hello Philippe: I think home schooling is a very good thing. It worked just fine for tens of thousands of years…

Philippe
Philippe
Jul 27, 2021 3:17 PM

It did indeed and I fundamentally agree with you.

I just worry that, with the dumbing down of education for decades now, with the ‘instant gratification’ mindset that seems to pervade, with the loss of ‘traditional’ skills and knowledge, how will some parents cope? Not suggesting that state education is the answer to that conundrum. The complete opposite, in fact.

As others have suggested on here, setting up independent schools seems to be the way to go. My vote would be to include lessons on the simple stuff that keeps people alive when infrastructure fails. Some might argue we’d end up with a load of hunter gatherers who can read. I’m not sure that would be a bad thing.

It depends on what you believe the purpose of life to be, if indeed it has a purpose. If it doesn’t, then it’s up to us to give it one. I’d be happy with a society that didn’t have all the current bells and whistles, but one in which everybody got on with everybody else and also felt their lives had meaning.

Sociologists reckon that a ‘tribe’ of 100 people is the optimum size of a viable ‘society’. That would work for me.

Perhaps I’m just a little bit Amish at heart.

Sgt Oddball
Sgt Oddball
Jul 27, 2021 8:59 PM
Reply to  Philippe

…3 R’s, STEM and (honest) History and Civics as a core *Throughout* their academic lifetime, topped up with *Early* Art/Creative subjects and Phys-Ed (Play!), starting with the nippers…

…- Later on, branch out to a generalised Classical-style Education (Trivium/Quadrivium, Lib’ Arts, etc. – Hey, it worked for the ‘Leets for *Centuries*, after all…), but *Updated And Refitted* for the needs of our contemporary world and *Especially* the rebuilding that will need to be done, going forward… – *Good* syllabuses for *All* these can be found online and people can *Readily* Homeschool/Indyschool these, if they so wish…

…- *ABOVE ALL*!! – *Empower* and *Enable* kids to discover their *Own* particular form of self-expression, *From Day One*… – Discover their *Own* unique talents and potentials, then *Encourage* them *Unstintingly* in their exploration and development of these…

– *And* get to rediscover spending *Real Quality Time* with your kids, whilst doing alla this… – What’s *Not* to Love?!… 🙂

Philippe
Philippe
Jul 28, 2021 2:39 PM
Reply to  Sgt Oddball

Sounds ideal.

Didn’t know you could find such things online.

I’ll let our friend in France know.

Liverian
Liverian
Jul 28, 2021 4:06 PM
Reply to  Sgt Oddball

Aptitude testing to determine natural proficiency is a must for me. I believe far too many people end up in dead end jobs because they’ve been forced to conform and learn things which don’t interest them whatsoever. Lack of fulfillment leads to resentment, depression, boredom and some other equally fun character traits, whereas following your passion leads to fulfillment, meaning, accomplishment, gratification, et cetera.

Sgt Oddball
Sgt Oddball
Jul 28, 2021 7:22 PM
Reply to  Liverian

…Yep, Yep!!… – You *Absolutely Nailed It* , Liverian!… – ‘Though that being said, I’d *Also* caution against too narrow a specialization, which can be equally damaging if taken to extremes, *Even If* the field/subject of specialization *Is* the student’s particular passion…

…- The case can be made for a *Broad* educational core, producing people with a healthy balance of basic critical thinking/learning and life skills, whilst still keeping the nuturing and development of unique innate proficiencies and talents *Paramount* and *Progressively* more center-staged, as the individual student advances throughout their academic life…

…Furthermore, there’s no reason *In Principle* why curricula couldn’t be made *Entirely Bespoke* to the innate needs and learning modality requirements of individual students without sacrificing the broad core I mentioned or a communal, ‘in class’ group-learning setting… – The monolithic curriculum-plus-classroom notion is an aberrant consequence of the State factory-education system, and *By No Means* an inevitability…

Sgt Oddball
Sgt Oddball
Jul 28, 2021 7:43 PM
Reply to  Sgt Oddball

…Re: ‘Bespoke Education’, I’ll add that grr nails one of the key fundamentals here, a little ways down-thread: – *First Things First*, teach kids *HOW* to learn…

…- First teach them to *Question Everything*, and that to question is not only *Natural*, but is to be *Expected* and *Required* of them… – *Nurture And Encourage* their innate curiosity, then teach them to exercise and develop this innate and *Vital* trait even further…

…After that teach reading comprehension and interpretation in the contexts of different kinds of texts (alongside development *In Parallel* of writing skills in these varying contexts, of course)… – Teach *Critical Thinking* and analytical skills in conjunction with these and finally, teach them general research skills…

…- All that follows should be plain sailing after this, *All Else Being Equal*…

Liverian
Liverian
Jul 28, 2021 9:05 PM
Reply to  Sgt Oddball

I think bespoke teaching is an inevitability going forward. As education is increasingly moved online (for better or worse), there’s the opportunity to learn from the best in a particular field, rather than sitting rigidly in a classroom being bored to death by a uninterested ‘teacher’ who’s a) entirely unsuccessful in whichever particular field they’re supposed to be teaching and b) only clocking in each day to collect a paycheck. There are increasingly more online classes from sites such as MasterClass, where a well-known professional teaches a pre-recorded course relating to their particular field of expertise (for example, Hans Zimmer teaching musical composition, Denzel Washington giving acting lessons, or Michelin-starred chefs teaching cookery).

Whether the state school system allows this kind of bespoke learning or fights against it remains to be seen, but the opportunity is there.

Finally, for a great critical breakdown on our current education system, this very short video is well worth a watch – search Youtube for ‘Naval Ravikant discusses our current education system’. I find his take to be very perceptive.

Build Back Botter
Build Back Botter
Jul 28, 2021 11:57 AM
Reply to  Philippe

Now that the “mallification” of the landscape is slowly coming to an end as big box stores are either going bankrupt or moving online, this would be the perfect time to restore village life again. Villages have town halls to encourage open discussion, support small businesses and local farms. They are decentralized, empowered communities, not reliant on global supply chains that are now being manufactured to break down.

Philippe
Philippe
Jul 28, 2021 2:43 PM

I think that’s a really attractive prospect.

We can only hope that enough people resist what will be a very concerted drive to get them to move into cities (Smart Cities no less), to make such a plan viable.

Not all the people, obviously. The ones determined to wear masks, beg for jabs, love house arrest etc can move to the cities. They’ll be happier there anyway and we’ll be happier with them out of the way.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Jul 28, 2021 3:03 PM
Reply to  Philippe

Hello Philippe: Many sociologists and anthropologists have concluded that small clans or extended families formed successful survival strategies, and continued to do so for thousands of years prior to the encroachment of competing cultures. The introduction of the militarized city/state (circa 4100 BC) incrementally ended this success… (So far) Amish communities that remain true to their culture, remain quite successful.

Charlotte Iserbyt’s series “The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America — A Chronological Paper Trail”, details the factors which led to the dumbing down of the educational model.

or see: > The Secret History Of Western Education – Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt

The Secret History Of Western Education – Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt – YouTube.

From her web site: >
Deliberate Dumbing Down | Official Website of Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt

Thank you for your comment.

Philippe
Philippe
Jul 28, 2021 3:31 PM

It is axiomatic that no man is an island. More so now than it has been for a long time – probably since the last time the ‘rulers’ declared open war on the populace. Communities and mutual support networks are going to take on much greater significance in the years to come. (Assuming any of us survive this injection push and/or we don’t all end up being ‘re-educated’ to death in purpose-built facilities!)

If the worst thing that happens is an annual punch up with the next door village (followed by the inevitable joint beer festival, of course), then I’m sure we could live with that.

I’m aware of Charlotte’s work. A chilling indictment of the scale of planning and effort that has gone into the devolution of the great unwashed.

Blind Gill
Blind Gill
Jul 27, 2021 7:30 PM
Reply to  Philippe

I was listening to a woman who runs a home school network in the US and it was fascinating. She said ppl often think they can’t do it but a lot of time in school is basically logistics and more bing the lil buggers around. She said most lessons can be taught in 3hrs and you can make contact with other like minded parents and take turns teaching and supervising.

My kids are grown up but with things as they are they’d have been going to school over my dead body.

Joki
Joki
Jul 27, 2021 9:29 PM
Reply to  Blind Gill

What you describe is in line with my own experience.

My State sets certain requirements which are so simple to meet as to be virtually non-existent. What I mean is that 3 hrs a day is more than enough time to teach kids all they need to know in order to simply meet the minimum requirements for a State-issued diploma.

The rest of the time can be spent learning as opposed to “receiving an education”.

grr
grr
Jul 28, 2021 7:31 AM
Reply to  Joki

The main skill to teach children is how to learn. How to research, analyse, question and to strive arrive at a logical conclusion (which may not always be possible).

Philippe
Philippe
Jul 28, 2021 6:12 AM
Reply to  Blind Gill

We definitely need more of that.

A friend of ours, living in France, has just taken her two out of school there, despite reports that Macron was going to make home schooling illegal. Then again, it seems that education in France was dire to start with – learning by rote, questions actively discouraged, etc.

It was the potential threat of jabbing that did it for her.

Arby
Arby
Jul 28, 2021 1:01 AM
Reply to  Philippe

“Doctors Given Power to Vaccinate Young Children Without the Knowledge of Parents” by Barbara Loe Fisher (National Vaccine Information Center)

The poster I made that uses info from that above linked-to article:
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Philippe
Philippe
Jul 28, 2021 6:15 AM
Reply to  Arby

But it’s all about health.

Very frightening development.

Arby
Arby
Jul 28, 2021 12:33 PM
Reply to  Philippe

Very.

Liverian
Liverian
Jul 28, 2021 4:02 PM
Reply to  Philippe

Headmaster of my eldest’s primary school – who is a cretin and bootlicker of the highest order and without doubt wears a pair of frilly knickers under his immaculately pressed suit – has now insisted that the children watch state propaganda (the ever informative and benevolent BBC) as part of their daily ‘education’. I’m increasingly finding myself having to debrief my 9yr old after school to find out what propaganda they’ve been filling her head with – thankfully she’s always been encouraged to think independently and can see through the most obvious politically correct nonsense.

I believe it’s just a matter of time before my children are home-schooled (they already are in many respects), and the breaking point will almost certainly be widespread testing (or penalties for non-compliance) which is my line in the sand, along with compulsory masks and needles.

Any fellow parents having similar experiences / thoughts? I’d love to discuss this further as I have no idea how I’m going to cope with kids at home 24/7!!

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Jul 27, 2021 1:58 PM
Reply to  George Mc

You misuse the term feudal ? Hive is far more accurate and not synonymous with feudal ?

Wayne Vanderploeg
Wayne Vanderploeg
Jul 27, 2021 3:02 PM
Reply to  George Mc

At least two of my four grand kids will be home schooled if a vaccine is mandated for their school district. That’s a 50% drop in students. Imagine if it was the same everywhere.

It is looking more and more like there will be a state mandate attempt. Given the risks of the vaccines (over 11,000 deaths and counting), any sensible parent will try to home school.

Going to be interesting when certain states start arresting parents for not following homeschooling guidelines.

Many families will, once again, become dependent on a single income. Others will use private schools. And more of them will be cropping up, if they are not already.

Teachers unions refusing to go back to the classroom until students are vaccinated are in for a big surprise when districts are forced to lay them off and close schools. There will be plenty of them available to fill the positions in the newly created private schools. And the pay and benefits won’t be the same.

Teachers unions are predominantly Democratic and are a strong political lobby. Politicians pay close attention to them.

This could be a blessing in disguise.

Blind Gill
Blind Gill
Jul 27, 2021 7:33 PM

It is crazy what is happening in the schools in the US at the moment not even accounting for the vaccines. I have developed a new found respect for my American cousins throughout this madness. Necessity is the mother of invention.

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
Jul 27, 2021 9:01 AM

On a purely anecdotal level, the stringent new vaccine passport measures in Cyprus appear to be being widely flouted. I personally have been to several small shops and have travelled on the bus since the new measures came in last Tuesday without once being challenged for a safe pass (which I do not have), although I hear that large supermarkets are strictly enforcing them with shoppers having to show their passes to security people at the entrances. Following the high degree of sheepish compliance with both masks and the injections, I am daring to hope that the latest measures are meeting with spontaneous mass non-compliance.

Arby
Arby
Jul 28, 2021 1:09 AM
Reply to  Tim Drayton

Get your groceries delivered or pay someone to buy them for you. Find someone you know who got jabbed, but who isn’t hostile toward for not getting jabbed, and work out a deal with them. Hang in there. I get my seafood delivered already. I’ve enquired about the groceries. That option’s there. I haven’t tried it, mainly because I’m very busy with other crap. I traveled a zillion kilometers on my breaking ebike, through absolutely horrible streets in Toronto, to get the bike to a shop where they’d look at it even though they don’t sell my make. To give you an idea how far the trip was, the lithium ion battery (48v/12 Ah) was completely depleted upon my arrival and it cost me $77 dollars to get back to my apt afterward. I’ve had the bike one year. I regret buying it from Emmo. It was slapped together. It cost me $2,168 and change. I make (now) $17 per hour. It’s all so stressful.

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
Jul 28, 2021 1:13 PM
Reply to  Arby

Thanks for the concern, but I don’t need to get groceries delivered just yet because I can still buy quality fresh food from the independent traders I usually patronize and it is only the big supermarkets that are enforcing the rule.
I have recently bought a second-hand bicycle in the expectation that I would no longer be able to use the bus, which has not happened yet. I am just getting the hang of changing gears, but making some progress in case I need to fall back on it.

Arby
Arby
Jul 28, 2021 5:58 PM
Reply to  Tim Drayton

Very good.

les online
les online
Jul 27, 2021 8:40 AM

You can see how the manipulative techniques employed to make everyone believe we’re all threatened by a non-existing Deadly Virus can be used to drum up support for war against Our Enemies, China and/or Russia. Imagine the epithets that’ll be hurled at those who dont fall in line,

MBJ
MBJ
Jul 27, 2021 9:00 AM
Reply to  les online

Exactly. I imagine one of the problems faced by warmongers since at least the 1960s is how receptive would a population be to another total war given the relative affluence of society and the prospect that war could result in the end of humanity. How to test the water? The populace could be given an exercise, a virus perhaps. Compliance with orders would bode well. Getting the ‘left leaning’ portion on board would be especially helpful. How malleable are the public? If that was the intention, however, I do not think the operation has been that much of a success. Unless, of course, the ‘test’ morphs into the war.

les online
les online
Jul 27, 2021 9:35 AM
Reply to  MBJ

Arena was an Australian ‘radical’ magazine, around since the early 1960s, that always impressed by the breadth and depth of its analytic articles. But to read its online articles about ‘the pandemic’ is a shock. The question that’s bugged me for years, as it bugged George Orwell, is ‘Why do intelligent people go over to The Dark Side without any resistance ?” The other radical periodical that was always full of challenging ideas, Fifth Estate (Detroit), has become an anarchist navel-gazing project…

Joki
Joki
Jul 27, 2021 11:37 PM
Reply to  les online

“‘Why do intelligent people go over to The Dark Side without any resistance ?”

Because it’s all relative to them? Dark/light, I mean. Moral ambiguity, I think it’s called by some.

But beyond that, how could anyone including Orwell answer the question without an agreed upon definition of what “intelligent” means? Or, for that matter, “the dark side”?

The question also presumes that there isn’t “any resistance” from these “intelligent” people, but then wouldn’t that mean they aren’t intelligent? If they offer no resistance, they’re idiots, not intelligent at all in my opinion. His question thus answers itself: “It’s because they aren’t intelligent; they’re stupid.”

Arby
Arby
Jul 28, 2021 1:16 AM
Reply to  les online

Folks here on OG have lamented that sad reality for months now. 99% of the self-identified progressives I was familiar with and relied on… gone. The staff in each of those orgs became pod people overnight. They were “Taken.” Alas, It’s a free universe.