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REVIEW: “Unanswered Questions: What the September 11th families asked and the 9/11 Commission ignored“

Edward curtin

It is impossible to overemphasize the importance of this book.  It is a tour de force that blows away twenty years of U.S. government lies and obfuscations about the mass murders of September 11, 2001, the foundational event of recent times that claimed thousands of victims whose relatives still cry out for truth and justice.

Reading Unanswered Questions will roil you to the depths of your soul and illuminate your mind as Ray McGinnis presents fact after fact backed up by almost one thousand endnotes and twelve years of meticulous research.  There is nothing speculative about this book.  It is not a “conspiracy theory.”

McGinnis ingeniously and brilliantly documents those murders through the eyes of victims’ relatives and their decades-long, agonizing efforts to seek honest answers from the U.S. government.  To have their simple and obvious questions answered. To know the truth about why their loved ones died and who killed them.

Their struggles have been met with cruel indifference from four presidents (Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden), three New York City mayors (Giuliani, Bloomberg, and de Blasio), the 9/11 Commission, and so many others in positions of authority who have turned deaf ears to their cris de coeur.  The corporate mass media have rubbed salt in their wounds as they have stage-managed the lies and coverups.  And controlled opposition operatives have played slick games to direct attention away from the heart of the matter.

The families’ search for answers to their questions have been either ignored or answered with lies and dissimulation piled upon dissimulation to protect the guilty.  McGinnis is their champion.  He insists on answers.

He powerfully unfurls layer upon layer of facts and the government’s fictions in a timeline that brings us to the twentieth anniversary of these atrocities.  While reading it, one cannot help but think of the thousands of innocent victims of that terrible day and their suffering families, and the millions of innocent victims throughout the world who have been murdered by the U.S. government in the name of 9/11.  The “war on terror” has been waged by a government that continues to refuse to tell the truth about who the “terrorists” were on September 11, 2001.

By refusing to answer the families’ questions and thereby hypothetically claiming the Fifth Amendment for fear of incriminating themselves, government officials have ironically incriminated themselves.

For McGinnis is like a prosecuting attorney who works not for the state but for the people.  He forces the issue by asking the questions his clients want answered.

Like them, he is persistent and requests answers to a litany of interrogations that are met with silence. The government’s stonewalling is deafening, and readers – who are the jury – are left to decide the case partially based on those non-answers, often justified under the sham of “national security” or just plain arrogance.  When answers are forthcoming, they are incomplete and disingenuous.

Seventy per cent of the questions the Family Steering Committee asked the 9/11 Commission were left unanswered in The 9/11 Commission Report.  Those that were answered raised more questions than they answered.

But the reason that this book is so powerful is because McGinnis answers the questions that the government does not.  And so his title – Unanswered Questions – is ironically false while also being true.

This should in no way put off those who still cling to the official story. For McGinnis is exceedingly fair in assessing and presenting the facts and readily admits when there are disagreements.

While focusing on a core group of bereaved families called The Family Steering Committee who are insistent on answers, a group that includes four New Jersey widows known as “The Jersey Girls” whose husbands died in the Twin Towers, he includes many others and does not shy away from saying when they are at odds.

The only way a fair-minded person can assess the book is to read it. And if you don’t read it and you have bought the government’s official fabrications or are still sitting on the fence, you are in flight from truth. This book demands attention.

As far as I know, while there have been many excellent books critiquing the government’s account of 9/11, led by about a dozen extraordinary works by David Ray Griffin, and many books supporting the government’s explanation led by The 9/11 Commission ReportUnanswered Questions is the first to approach the subject from the perspective of the questions asked by the relatives of the victims.

For many people, the murders of that day are abstract, although they naturally stir the human emotions of pity, fear, and terror. But from a distance, for they are now fading into history and are not personal. For some, there may have been a catharsis with The 9/11 Commission Report which they no doubt never read although it was said to be a “best-seller.”

That would be fake catharsis, for such fiction fails to tell the truth since it was written by people blind in mind and ears as well as in their eyes.  But then again, who reads Sophocles or Aeschylus any longer?  Better to read The New York TimesSlate magazine, TimeThe New RepublicThe Nation, etc., all of which effusively praised the 9/11 Commission Report when it was released.

As McGinnis reports, “The New York Times called the Report ‘an uncommonly lucid, even riveting narrative’ and an ‘improbable literary triumph.’”  This is simply propaganda.

But let us take a look inside Unanswered Questions, a genuine non-fiction book motivated by a deep compassion for the victims and a scholar’s dedication to the truth.  It is divided into four parts, each containing multiple chapters.

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“Part One: From Grief to Advocacy” is the briefest and introduces the reader to firefighters, first responders, and family members who lost loved ones in the calamity.  We learn how their grief turned to advocacy when they formed many groups to channel their energies.  We learn how President Bush and his minions (or was Bush the minion and others like Cheney in charge?) opposed establishing a special commission to probe into the events of September Eleventh and how when his opposition was overcome he had the audacity to try to name Henry Kissinger to head the 9/11 Commission and how this was stopped.

Finally, McGinnis tells us how the families’ questions were greatly expanded after discovering Paul Thompson’s extraordinary Internet timeline with its vast numbers of links to news reports that was later published as The Terror Timeline.

“Part Two: Family Steering Committee Statements to the 9/11 Commission” examines how the 9/11 Commission was a setup from the start, not even close to being an impartial investigation. It began with the naming of Philip Zelikow as the Director. Zelikow had deep ties to the Bush administration and its neocons. He had been a member of Bush’s transition team.

Even “Richard Clarke, chairman of the ‘Counterterrorism Security Group,’ said ‘the fix is in’” when Zelikow was appointed. Zelikow completely controlled the investigation and the final report despite many conflicts of interest. He essentially wrote the report before the hearings commenced.

He had authored a book with Condoleezza Rice and was an advocate for preemptive war that was used to attack Iraq in early 2003, etc.  His appointment was a sick joke, and the Family Steering Committee called for his immediate resignation but was rebuffed just as quickly by Chairman Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton.

As a result, the final report ended being a fictional account authored by Zelikow (who has now been named to head a Covid-19 commission).

This section also covers the lies told by Mayor Rudy Giuliani when he testified.

Three hundred and forty-three FDNY members were killed that day, heroes who didn’t have to die. Giuliani’s testimony so outraged the families of first responders that their fury was uncontained. McGinnis tells us:

They held up signs that read ‘lies’ and ‘liar.’ Family Steering Committee member Sally Regenhard held up a sign that read ‘FICTION.’  She hollered, ‘My son [Christian Regenhard, a probationary firefighter] was not told to get out! He would’ve gotten out! My son was murdered, murdered because of your incompetence and radios that didn’t work!

McGinnis captures the increasing anger felt by family members throughout this section as the final report was rammed through despite their protests.

“Part Three: The Family Steering Committee’s Unanswered Questions” is the heart of the book.  It contains eleven chapters devoted to questions addressed to NORAD, the FAA, the CIA/SEC/FBI, Mayor Giuliani, President Bush, the Port Authority/WTC/City of New York, Vice President Cheney, and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld but never answered.  Over a thousand questions were posed to the 9/11 Commission to aid the investigation.

McGinnis writes:

The questions were intended to direct the focus of the inquiry, and ask those most directly involved what led to the failures that day. They understood that it would not be the FSC members themselves asking the questions. Instead, they would be posed to witnesses by 9/11 commissioners in public hearings, or asked by Commission staff behind closed-door proceedings. Some of these questions were directed at the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD). One question the FSC asked the 9/11 Commission was: ‘Why weren’t NORAD jets able to intercept the hijacked planes if they were airborne within eight minutes of notification?’

NORAD had an extremely successful history of intercepting errant aircraft, and a part of their mission was “surveillance and control of the [domestic] territorial airspace “ in the U.S. and Canada. Nevertheless, on September 11, 2001 none of the hijacked aircraft were intercepted even though they were allegedly being flown by inexperienced and incompetent hijackers who, according to experts, could never fly such massive commercial airliners into the World Trade Towers or the Pentagon.

Government witnesses either lied about the systemic failures to intercept the planes, omitted important details, or gave contradictory stories. Of course, they were then promoted. And although there was an unprecedented number of war games being “coincidentally” held on September 11, none of the 9/11 Commissioners asked any witnesses about them.

It was clear that all the questions about the failure to intercept the planes would not be answered, but McGinnis makes it obvious that their non-answers were indeed answers by omission, for in this section and all the others, he makes sure the questions are indeed answered and the cumulative effect is devastating.  He does this not simply by expressing his own opinions but by quoting others and always giving sources.

In a similar vein, the FSC wished to know from the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) why these hijacked planes were able to evade all of the highly sophisticated radar?

McGinnis says, “The 9/11 Commission concluded that NORAD had failed to do its job on September Eleventh; NORAD’s decisions impaired the FAA radar operator’s conduct.”  Of course the radar questions were linked to the war games issue and since the war games questions were never asked, these massive failures were explained away in gobbledygook worthy of the Three Stooges.

Mindy Kleinberg, a FSC member whose husband Alan died in the North Tower, told the Commission that its theory of luck was bullshit, although she phrased it more diplomatically:

With regard to the 9/11 attacks, it has been said that the intelligence agencies have to be right 100% of the time and the terrorists only have to get lucky once. This explanation for the devastating attacks of September 11, simply on its face, is wrong in its value.  Because the 9/11 terrorists were not just lucky once; they were lucky over and over again…Is it luck that aberrant stock trades were not monitored?  Is it luck when 15 visas were awarded on incomplete forms?  Is it luck when Airline Security screenings allow hijackers to board planes with box cutters and pepper spray?  Is it luck when emergency FAA and NORAD protocols are not followed?  Is it luck when a national emergency is not reported to top government officials on a timely basis?  To me luck is something that happens once. When you have this repeated pattern of broken protocols, broken laws, broken communication, one cannot still call it luck.

Comically, The 9/11 Commission Report concluded that, as McGinnis notes, “The reason for the attacks was due simply to a [U.S. government] failure of imagination.”

In regard to foreknowledge of the attacks, the families asked the CIA, the SEC, and the FBI for the names of the individuals and financial institutions who placed “put” orders on American and United Airlines in the three weeks prior to 9/11.

This involved the number three man at the CIA, CIA Executive Director Alvin “Buzzy” Krongard, former Vice Chairman of the board at Bankers Trust that had been acquired by Deutsche Bank through which many of these suspect stock trades passed.

This insider trading that anticipated the 9/11 attacks was connected to a security firm named Stratesec that provided security to Dulles Airport, the World Trade Center, and United Airlines, and to Wirt Walker III, a business partner of the president’s brother, Marvin Bush.  Walker III was a board member of the Carlyle Group that was in turn connected to the bin Laden and Bush families.

Despite these and other highly suspect connections, the “9/11 Commission wasn’t interested in exploring leads about possible foreknowledge of the attacks.” 

Nor were they interested in the strange matter of Larry Silverstein, who had already owned World Trade Center Building 7, but who obtained a 99-year lease on the Twin Towers two months before the attack and who insisted that insurance cover a terrorist attack for $3.5. billion dollars. Silverstein was later awarded $4.55 billion when it was determined that there had been two suicide attacks.

Silverstein later claimed that there was agreement to “pull” (a controlled demolition term) Building 7, which happened at 5:20 PM that day despite never having been hit by a plane. Questions about the collapse of Building 7 were of course never answered, but the videos of its collapse are available for all to see with their own eyes.

An excellent film about Building 7, Seven by Dylan Avery, should be seen by all.  Seeing is believing, and what any objective observer can only conclude is that the building was taken down by controlled demolition, which the government denies.

Which brings us to other key questions that the FSC asked, McGinnis explores, and that went unanswered: Why did President Bush enter a Sarasota, Florida elementary classroom, stay there as the attacks unfolded, and not immediately return to Washington, DC?  Why did he enter that classroom at 9:03 AM and remain there for fifteen minutes when it was clear the U.S. was under a terrorist attack?  Why was he, unlike Dick Cheney, not immediately taken out of the building by the Secret Service but was allowed to sit and read to children and not depart the building until 9:34 A.M.?

“The vice president was reported by President Bush’s personal secretary as being ‘seized by arms, legs, and his belt and physically’ carried out of his office at 9:03 A.M.  Cheney was taken to the Presidential Emergency Operations Center below the White House, where Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta saw him prior to 9:25 A.M.”

Yet Bush stayed to read a book when colleagues of the Secret Service agents protecting him had already been evacuated from the largest Secret Service Field Office in WTC 7.

“However,” writes McGinnis, “on December 4, 2001, President Bush made the following statement at a Town Hall meeting about the moment – 9:01 a.m. – that he said he learned about the attack.  ‘And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower – the television was obviously on, and I used to fly myself, and I said , “That’s one terrible pilot.”  And I said, “It must have been a horrible accident.”  But I was whisked off there – I didn’t have much time to think about it.’”

You can’t make this stuff up, yet it’s offered to the public and the victims’ families as acceptable.  Bush was informed that a second plane had hit the South Tower by Andrew Card who came into the classroom and whispered in his ear. But three months later he claims he saw on television the first plane hit the North Tower when no one could have seen it since video of the first plane hitting the building at 8:46 A.M. was not available until much later.

These ridiculous discrepancies and other questions the FSC wished the 9/11 Commission to ask Bush under oath in sworn public testimony went unasked and unanswered.  Instead, as McGinnis writes:

But, the meeting with Bush and Cheney took place in secret on April 29, 2004. It was not held under oath. No transcript was made available of their conversation with the commissioners.  Nothing was learned about why the president remained at an elementary school during the attacks. Nothing was learned about what the president knew regarding foreign intelligence agencies forewarning the U.S. Nothing was learned about why the president had authorized America to prepare for war against Afghanistan in the days and weeks prior to the attacks of September 11.

Nor was anything learned about why Pentagon brass suddenly cancelled flights scheduled for September 11.  Nothing about who warned them and why.

Essentially all the key questions the families asked were not answered.  But McGinnis answers them, including those addressed to Cheney, Rumsfeld, Giuliani, the CIA, and the Port Authority/WTC/City of New York.

By using the documented records against them, he does the job the 9/11 Commission refused to do. He unravels the lies, circumlocutions, and straightforward propaganda used to hide the truth, including the following:

  • Cheney’s deceptions about when he got to the Presidential Emergency Operations Center and what he was doing there and his orders to his young assistant about the hijacked plane headed toward the capitol.
  • Rumsfeld with his lies about not knowing anything about the World Trade Center attacks until fifteen minutes before the Pentagon was hit and why the Pentagon was not defended.
  • Giuliani and the obvious controlled demolition of Building 7 at 5:20 P.M. and the lies about the faulty telephones the firefighters carried.

Since this is not meant to be a book about a book but a book review, I will stop there.  I would be remiss, however, if I failed to mention “Chapter 22: The Missing Accounts: FDNY.”

It is part of Part Four: Acceptance And Dissent that leads to McGinnis’s conclusion.  Whatever one’s position on the events of September 11, it is generally accepted that firefighters and first responders are objective and brave in the extreme.

Of the emergency workers who responded to the call to help save the people in the Twin Towers, the vast majority who lost their lives in attempting to save their fellow human beings were firefighters – 343 of them perished that day. They were doing their duty.

So their surviving colleagues’ testimonies are priceless and beyond dispute. They had absolutely no reasons to lie. McGinnis tells us:

On September 11, 2001, Thomas Von Essen, the fire commissioner of New York City, ordered that oral histories be gathered from first responders, firefighters, and medical workers. He wanted to preserve the accounts of what they experienced at the World Trade Center. In the weeks and months following 9/11, 503 oral histories were taken. However, they were not released to the public. The 2002 mayor of New York City, Michael Bloomberg, refused.

The Family Steering Committee asked the 9/11 Commission why, but the Commission refused to answer their question. After a lawsuit, the oral histories that run to 12,000 pages were released. They contain copious accounts of explosions going off in the Towers before the Towers collapsed.

FDNY firefighter John Coyne, who was in the South Tower, recalls how he had called his father and said:

I finally got through to my father and said ‘I’m alive. I just wanted to tell you, go to church, I’m alive. I just so narrowly escaped this thing.’ He said, ‘Where were you? You were there?’ I said, ‘Yeh, I was right there when it blew up.’ He said, ‘You were there when the planes hit?’ I said, ‘No, I was there when it exploded, the building exploded.’ He said, ‘You mean when it fell down?’ I said, ‘No, when it exploded.’ … I totally thought it had been blown up.  That’s just the perspective of looking at it, it seemed to have exploded out.

Captain Karin DeShore, who was standing outside, said she saw a sequence of orange and red flashes coming from the North Tower:

Initially it was just one flash. Then this flash…kept popping all around the building and that building started to explode … These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger, going up and down and the all around the building.

Keith Murphy:

There was tremendous damage in the lobby…like something had exploded out…a distant boom sounded like three explosions.”

Assistant Commissioner Stephen Gregory:

I saw low-level flashes…[at] the lower level of the building.  You know when they demolish a building?”

Explosions were being reported everywhere and by reporters as well. Researchers Graeme MacQueen and Ted Walter viewed 70 hours of television coverage and found that most reporters were saying the Towers came down as a result of explosions and demolition. Take a look here.

There were explosions reported in the sub-basements before the planes hit.  William Rodriguez, who was in the sub-basement of the North Tower and heard and felt very loud multiple explosions, told this to 9/11 Commission staff and this never appeared in The 9/11 Commission Report.

The evidence for explosives planted in the Towers and Building 7 is overwhelming but was completely discounted by the 9/11 Commission and the mass media complicit in its coverup.

In fact, the demolition of Building 7 at 5:20 P.M was not worthy of a mention in the best-selling report. It should be obvious to any objective thinker that if these building were wired for explosives and were brought down via controlled demolition, then this could not have been done by Osama bin Laden or his followers but only by insiders who were granted secret access to these ultra-high security buildings.

Bob McIlvaine, whose son Bobby died in the North Tower, has persevered for twenty years to expose the lies surrounding September 11. McGinnis reports on his 2006 interview with the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation host Evan Solomon:

I believe 100% that the US orchestrated 9/11 with the help of other agencies around the world…There’s people within the US that knew it happened, that planned this to happen.

To Solomon’s question “You think your son was therefore murdered by Americans?”  McIlvaine replied, “absolutely.”

He is joined by many others, including Matt Campbell, a British citizen and family member, whose brother Geoff Campbell died on the 106th floor of the North Tower.  Matt Campbell and his family have recently demanded a new inquest based on a 3,000 page scientifically-backed dossier claiming the buildings were blown up from within.

After reading Unanswered Questions, you very well might believe it too.

Learning about the determination of such stalwart souls as McIlvaine, Campbell, the FSC, and so many others to extract truth and justice from a recalcitrant and guilty government is inspirational.  They will never give up.  Nor should we.

There is no doubt that this extraordinary book will answer many questions you may or may not have had about the mass murders of September 11, 2001.

So don’t turn away.

It will break your heart but restore your faith in what a writer dedicated to the truth can do for those family members who have so long sought the bread of truth and were handed stones of silence.

In their ongoing grief, Ray McGinnis has handed them the gift of a bitter solace. He has answered them.

He has also given the public an opportunity to see the truth and demand an independent investigation forthwith.

Unanswered Questions: What the September Eleventh Families Asked and the 9/11 Commission Ignored by Ray McGinnis will be available to purchase from Saturday 11th Sepetember 2021. For more information on the book, including background interviews and purchase information, visit https://unansweredquestions.ca/
Edward Curtin is an independent writer whose work has appeared widely over many years. His website is edwardcurtin.com and his new book is Seeking Truth in a Country of Lies.

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Ron Marr
Ron Marr
Sep 18, 2021 12:18 AM

Why doesn’t anyone look at Dr. Judy Wood’s analysis? How did they turn the twin towers to dust? She explains it all without pointing a finger, through analysis. Very interesting.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Sep 18, 2021 12:28 AM
Reply to  Ron Marr

She doesn’t ‘explain’ anything. She doesn’t have a clue what the ‘DEW’ was or where it was or how it worked and has absolutely zero evidence such a DEW ever existed. All she does is claim the physical evidence can’t be explained by any “conventional” weapon, and then guess what type of unconventional weapon it must have been.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Sep 12, 2021 3:52 PM

More names. >
 
9/11 Inside Out – What A Real 9/11 Investigation Would Reveal
Published on Aug 30, 2016

Victor G.
Victor G.
Sep 12, 2021 10:20 AM

The only thing I want to know is where is Petra?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 12, 2021 12:55 PM
Reply to  Victor G.

LOL. My post is below, Victor. It needed approving so you may have just missed it.

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 12, 2021 12:59 PM
Reply to  Victor G.

She’s here, peddling her usual crap.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 12, 2021 3:22 PM
Reply to  Cliff Edwards

Always open to being proved wrong, Cliff. What’s your refutation of my “crap”? I’m all eyes.

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 13, 2021 2:52 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Nah, it’s very obviously your prime source of amusement. Why would anybody want to deprive you of that?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 13, 2021 3:53 AM
Reply to  Cliff Edwards

But how would you deprive me, Cliff? Nothing I like better than arguing the point, it’s by NOT providing refutation that you’re depriving me. You’ve got a like there so perhaps others might believe your reasoning for not providing any refutation … but please excuse me if I don’t buy it.

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 13, 2021 1:06 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Couldn’t care less whether you “buy it” or not.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 13, 2021 2:10 PM
Reply to  Cliff Edwards

And you are …?

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 13, 2021 3:11 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Non sono affari tuoi, cara mia.

jimbo
jimbo
Sep 12, 2021 6:17 AM

but but but whadda bout the. . . . Empire State Building that didn’t “fall”?????

On Saturday, July 28, 1945, Lieutenant Colonel William F. Smith Jr. was piloting a B-25 Mitchell bomber on a routine personnel transport mission from Bedford Army Air Field in Massachusetts to Newark Metropolitan Airport in New Jersey. Smith asked for clearance to land, but he was advised of zero visibility.

Proceeding anyway, he became disoriented by the fog and turned right instead of left after passing the Chrysler Building.

At 9:40 a.m., the aircraft crashed into the north side of the Empire State Building, between the 78th and 80th floors, making an 18-by-20-foot (5.5 m × 6.1 m) hole in the building into the offices of the War Relief Society and the National Catholic Welfare Council.

One engine shot through the south side opposite the impact and flew as far as the next block, dropping 900 feet (270 m) and landing on the roof of a nearby building and causing a fire that destroyed a penthouse art studio. The other engine and part of the landing gear fell down an elevator shaft. The resulting fire was extinguished in 40 minutes. The Empire State Building fire is the only significant fire at such a height to be brought under control by firefighters.

Between 50 and 60 sightseers were on the 86th floor observation deck when the crash happened. Fourteen people were killed: Colonel Smith, Staff Sergeant Christopher Domitrovich, and Navy Aviation Machinist’s Mate Albert Perna, who was hitching a ride, and eleven civilians in the building.[1] Perna’s body was not found until two days later, when search crews discovered that it had entered an elevator shaft and fallen to the bottom. The other two crewmen were burned beyond recognition.

Elevator operator Betty Lou Oliver was thrown from her elevator car on the 80th floor and suffered severe burns. First aid workers placed her on another elevator car to transport her to the ground floor, but the cables supporting that elevator had been damaged in the incident, and it fell 75 stories, ending up in the basement. Oliver survived the fall but had a broken pelvis, back and neck when rescuers found her amongst the rubble.] This remains the world record for the longest survived elevator fall.

Despite the damage and loss of life, the building was open for business on many floors on the next Monday morning, less than 48 hours later. The crash spurred the passage of the long-pending Federal Tort Claims Act of 1946, as well as the insertion of retroactive provisions into the law, allowing people to sue the government for the accident.

The North American B-25 Mitchell, a twin-engine bomber that became standard equipment for the Allied air forces in World War II, was perhaps the most versatile aircraft of the war. It became the most heavily armed airplane in the world, was used for high- and low-level bombing, strafing, photoreconnaissance, submarine patrol, and even as a fighter and was distinguished as the aircraft that completed the historic raid over Tokyo in 1942.

It required 8,500 original drawings and 195,000 engineering man-hours to produce the first one, but nearly 10,000 were produced from late 1939, when the contract was awarded to North American Aviation, through 1945.

Named for famed airpower pioneer Brigadier General William “Billy” Mitchell, it was a twin-tail, mid-wing land monoplane powered by two 1,700-horsepower Wright Cyclone engines.

Normal bomb capacity was 5,000 pounds (2268 kilograms). Some versions carried 75 mm cannon, machine guns and added firepower of 13 .50-caliber guns in the conventional bombardier’s compartment. One version carried eight .50-caliber guns in the nose in an arrangement that provided 14 forward-firing guns.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 12, 2021 4:54 AM

The question I have is who are the “9/11 Families”? Who comprise the “9/11 Families”?

Any families of the alleged 265 passengers who allegedly died in the planes are either unaware that their loved one didn’t die in a plane or they are in on the fakery of the planes as made so very clear by a great deal of evidence including that put forward by the 9/11 Consensus Panel.
https://www.consensus911.org/the-911-consensus-points/

Equally, though, if no families of the 265 passengers are included in the “9/11 Families” doesn’t that raise questions for the families of those who allegedly died in the buildings? Don’t the families of those who allegedly died in the buildings question the lack of presence of the families of the alleged passengers?

I also wonder at the overall number of the “9/11 Families” and do they include those of the alleged injured? 3,000 dead, 6,000 injured we are told and presumably some of the 6,000 injured who allegedly survived the building collapses would have been severely injured and would have their families jumping up and down. Any families of the injured included? How many families of the 9,000 people allegedly killed and injured on 9/11 are among the “9/11 Families”?

The faked-planes-necessitating-faked-passengers fact is a bit of a fly in the ointment in the simple “inside job” narrative and that’s why we might question the collapse of WTC-7’s status as the “smoking gun”. Do we really think the perps pulled that building down so blatantly without any concern of its obviousness? They just pulled it down flagrante delicto, “caught out” with this smoking gun? Really? That’s how carelessly they planned the operation, the one that they had in mind seemingly before they even built the towers? (I highly recommend this fascinating 7-minute video which includes an analysis of the April 3, 1967 issue of Newsweek whose cover shows John Rockefeller wearing a watch with the hands on the 9 and 11. https://www.bitchute.com/video/m09gisl4LlXo/)comment image

Could it be that the perps simply relied on the Emperor’s-New-Clothes phenomenon of most people going along with what is told to them with only a small percentage of questioners and thus feel that they had carte blanche to blatantly bring the building down, directing it to the few questioners, in order to move the focus to be all on the buildings and away from the faked-planes-necessitating-faked-passengers-fly-in-the-ointment fact?

You cannot find a more obvious perfect implosion than that of WTC-7 and yet how many people still believe the official story? Pushing the truth in our faces in no way guarantees that people will catch onto it, which is very, very convenient for the powers that be. They have relied on this seemingly incredible phenomenon for centuries, if not millennia, and they know that they can push the truth right in our faces while all the time getting us to believe their nonsense propaganda … and they capitalise on this phenomenon all the time.

The purpose of propaganda is not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponds to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control.

Edited quote from Theodore Dalrymple, aka Anthony Daniels, British psychiatrist.

​The official story required either that one descended into total intellectual senility in order to still believe it – perhaps deliberately made ridiculous for that very purpose – or else that one keep one’s intellect alive but destroy almost everything that one had previously believed about how society works.

Pioneering 9/11 analyst, Gerard Holmgren
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/gerard-holmgren.html

Claret
Claret
Sep 12, 2021 6:22 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

‘I also wonder at the overall number of the “9/11 Families” and do they include those of the alleged injured? 3,000 dead, 6,000 injured we are told and presumably some of the 6,000 injured who allegedly survived the building collapses would have been severely injured and would have their families jumping up and down. Any families of the injured included? How many families of the 9,000 people allegedly killed and injured on 9/11 are among the “9/11 Families”?’
…..
I’ve wondered about that also Petra. According to the official narrative/figures(wikki), there were 6300 admissions to several different hospitals on that fateful day.Surely quite a few of them would have died from their injuries (severe burns,lacerations, etc.?) and maybe some amputees.I haven’t seen anything convincing to support this claim. There were also live news reports from hospitals which were prepared for a flood of casualties which never arrived.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 13, 2021 4:12 AM
Reply to  Claret

Claret, I’m vaguely curious to read the book reviewed in the article to see if there are any obvious inconsistencies but probably won’t bother. Edward seems to take it at face value as all being factually presented. I was prompted to look up books on the Sandy Hook hoax on Amazon to see the offerings – see below. Didn’t come across Nobody Died at Sandy Hook unsurprisingly. A book written on the subject doesn’t mean it’s gospel now, does it?

— Nurturing Healing Love: A Mother’s Journey of Hope and Forgiveness

— Finding Sanctuary: How the Wild Work of Peace Restored the Heart of a Sandy Hook Mother

— An Unseen Angel: A Mother’s Story of Healing and Hope After Sandy Hook: A Mother’s Story of Faith, Hope, and Healing After Sandy Hook

— Sandy Hook Massacre

— Moyers & Company: The Sandy Hook Promise

— Shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School: The Adam Lanza Report

— Newtown: An American Tragedy

— Mass Shootings: Media, Myths, and Realities (Crime, Media, and Popular Culture) – $46.90 on Kindle!

— If I Don’t Make It, I Love You: Survivors in the Aftermath of School Shootings

— I’m a Therapist, and My Patient is Going to be the Next School Shooter: 6 Patient Files That Will Keep You Up At Night (Dr. Harper Therapy Book 1)

— Was Sandy Hook a Hoax?: Hoaxes & Scams (by Dr. Leland Benton, Chief Forensics Investigator for ForensicsNation.com)
Most reviewers of the book recognise the event as a hoax and rubbish the book but this was one comment on it:

Based on the title of this book I thought the author was taking the affirmative position that Sandy Hook was a hoax and I honestly had no interest in reading it. A friend pointed out that this book was debunking the hoax claims, so I decided to check it out. While the debunking process was thorough and clear, I wasn’t someone who needed to be convinced. To me the best part of the book was looking at why people create these conspiracy theories to begin with and why so many others seem willing to accept them. Personally, I think the current 24 hours news cycle with non-stop live coverage of nothing creates all the inconsistencies in reporter’s race to be first that becomes the foundation of conspiracy theories. Overall, good book. I just wish it had different title.

scy
scy
Sep 12, 2021 12:26 AM
Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Sep 11, 2021 4:48 PM

I would submit that the events of 9/11/2001 have been the most investigated series of “coincidence” in mankind’s history.
Literally; tens of thousands of independent journalists and private citizens have connected the dots over the past 20 years. Key names have been named, and alleged perpetrators exposed – countless times. The majority of evidence was forged together long before the 9/11 “Commission” published their controlled demolition of the facts…

There have been no formal criminal charges. No investigations by States Attorneys General. I can only conclude that the entire population of our courts systems must be utterly illiterate…

Antonym
Antonym
Sep 11, 2021 3:49 PM

For me it was clear that the CIA, FBI etc.knew about the Saudi Islamists plot and let it happen. The CIA had imported them to be trained to do similar terror attacks abroad.
Too much profitable fallout from another Pearl Harbor: finally legal mass surveillance on US soil too; free pick of next war theater as Joe Sixpack would support anything out of revenge. Huge weapon sales – big money / power. That it could happen so easily is proof of the agencies top complicity. Them getting promoted afterwards means Bush etc. were also in the loop.

The next level is to conclude that not only building 7 was prepped by non-Saudis but even WTC 1 and 2 too. Max insurance payout plus max drama guaranteed and the Islamists projected as the only perps. Win, win, win, loss of a few thousand local pawns, so it was a go.

Kalen
Kalen
Sep 11, 2021 2:01 PM

Consumed by Covid state terrorism, very few talk about ongoing financial crisis that started in mid 2019 and it is not abating at all. Recent Fed murmurings about tapering is a propaganda of “normalization” as defeated Fed wants to declare victory.

From March 2020 in 18 months Fed and what is not very well known other central banks worldwide purchased about $20 trillions of worthless securities including sovereign bonds (in US there was direct monetizing of debt with no primary deals involved, Fed tool treasury bonds and bills as well as agency debt as collateral for cash loan to government).

Swiss National bank is loaded with Apple shares, Israelis Central bank bought huge bought big Pharma and many other stocks bonds.

Fed bought asset based derivatives like MBS LBS, as well as junk bonds, ETFs etc. pushing prices up as it guarantees price blacktop. Amid saturated financial markets huge asset inflation now spills over to commodity and mainstream economic inflation, price inflation that runs at least 20%-30% (shrinkflation, substitution, quality inflation, service and labor cost inflation as Covid policies devastated local economies) as more and more investors want something tangible, not worthless Wall Street concocted junk in their portfolio. Even Amazon is scrambling to acquire tangible, productive physical assets including retailers, agrarian land, real estate, utilities and power generation etc., fearing that it will be worth anything when confidence in dollar meaning global financial system collapsed. Even gold and to lesser degree silver is being targeted but as it is totally controlled by gold mafia and global central banks price and value won’t be guaranteed as it is non productive asset.

By July 2019 Fed reduced balance sheet from $4.4T to $3.8T ($T0.6) in 18 months via QT, majority not by selling assets (and withdrawing liquidity) but by letting securities they purchased mature, in fact being circularity paid off by new low interest loans to service bond debt before FX and then Repo Markets collapsed. Fed pretended to temper while trying to avoid liquidity drain. They failed as is not possible because such policies increase assets values and hence causing increased demand for more liquidity in the system. Only collapse of markets would let Fed to effectively temper, reducing balance sheet.

In other words Fed must print more money (no asset price decrease allowed by all means) because these are “buy all “ QE policies that actually raise asset prices used for collateral in $4000 Trillion nominal derivative market which is 800lb gorilla in the room.

Financial markets are in dead stagnation nobody wants to buy as it would decrease their liquidity and ability to service their astronomical debt, on the other hand they cannot sell their assets as it would undermine their collateral value of their most profitable derivatives.

Now with $8.5T balance sheet, Fed is not even talking about reducing balance sheet which means they will be continually purchasing at minimum in amount of maturing assets (perhaps operation twist, interest rate curve control) which means QE in fact will have to continuously increase perhaps in dramatic fashion.

JIMLAP
JIMLAP
Sep 11, 2021 1:00 PM

I have, and still do perceive the great lies (post WWII), Korea, Cambodia, Vietnam, Kennedy, Global Warming, Yugoslavia, 911, Iraq, Libya, Venezuela, Syria, 2020 Scamdemic etc. (amongst many others) as increments in the total stupefaction of Western society.
 
This never
ending fear and panic peddling that serves the Colonial objectives of the old
Empire are now fully entrenched.
The fully
conditioned western mind cannot dare consider any one of these lies in their
proper context…  for to do so would cause a cascade of all the
indoctrination that over decades has now become the very structure of the
individual Western Mind.
 
To permit
full consideration of any of these gross atrocities is therefore taboo to all
those fully ‘Western indoctrinated’.
They dare
not permit themselves consideration of any of these for fear of the unravelling
of their entire fabricated mental construct.
 
And so
condemning phrases like Communist, Socialist, Conspiracy Theorist and Denier
(Warming and Vax) have been rolled out to protect these conditioned souls from
the doubt that might otherwise engulf them.
And, so
also to have these terms as artillery against any truth that might come their
way; a means to slay any messenger bearing any contradicting truth at all.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Sep 11, 2021 12:06 PM

The same ghouls who said Iraq had WMD’S are telling you the mRNA jab is effective and safe.

MBJ
MBJ
Sep 11, 2021 6:12 PM
Reply to  Charlotte Ruse

Exactly. If anything is shoved into your ears repeatedly, it is going to be a lie.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Sep 11, 2021 6:35 PM
Reply to  MBJ

In addition, there would be no need to censor opposing points of view if the “official” data is accurate, honest, and truthful.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Sep 11, 2021 11:29 AM

https://img.ifunny.co/images/83dfaf678bcbae094edf014d891c02bae9cda084c64789903be672b8c59b9622_1.webp

Two decades later a virus “mysteriously escaping” from a lab turned Western nation-states into open-air prisons. 

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 11, 2021 10:33 AM

Amongst the adverts, an urgent announcement: “Let’s stop the spike!”

How much more mileage can they get out of this? Of course there is an underlying programme which is not up for discussion and it will continue inexorably. Buy how far can they push the “pantomime-demic”?

Having seen the unforgiving shamelessness of their charade, you’d think it will go on forever. But CAN it? Surely there must come a point when the majority will no longer even pretend to believe it?

“Stop the spike!”

“Stop the glitch!”

“Stop the bump!”

“Stop the fart!”

“Stop the vague tickling in your throat while the whole world gets fucked by real problems that we won’t mention!”

Howard
Howard
Sep 11, 2021 10:16 PM
Reply to  George Mc

It will stop when there are only two people left alive who still believe the nonsense. And those two will be the new Adam and Eve and will be encouraged to “go forth and multiply” so that the tribe of hopeless idiots may increase.

strange
strange
Sep 11, 2021 9:32 AM

A $trillion (or two?) was added to the value of US weapons manufacturers.

Why do we keep hearing, there were no winners in the chaotic invasion of Afghanistan?

Grafter
Grafter
Sep 11, 2021 9:46 AM
Reply to  strange

It’s their biggest “INDUSTRY” doncha know.

Victor G.
Victor G.
Sep 11, 2021 7:09 PM
Reply to  Grafter

Biggest “polluters” too, but don’t tell little Greta ….

Edwige
Edwige
Sep 11, 2021 9:19 AM

No surprise who had a ringside seat of course:

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/09/why-9-11-reminds-us-we-must-respond-to-fear-with-openness/

Bit like how Michelle Obama just happened to be floating down the Seine when Notre Dame caught fire.

Meanwhile, as the focus is on covid and 9/11 the Great Reset marches on:
1) US inflation surging:
https://www.businessinsider.com/why-are-meat-prices-high-monopoly-inflation-white-house-report-2021-9?r=US&IR=T
So the big price rises aren’t in soya beans and grains? Well, colour me astonished. Prices just happen to shoot up in the foods the WEF said are going to become much more expensive and turned into luxuries. The blame-defelctors then get wheeled out in full-force to place the blame everywhere except where it really lies.
2) I happened to see an advert for the Red Tractor logo in the UK. It promises comprehensive tracking of your food from source to plate so you know your food is “safe”. Well, if this wasn’t just another part of resetting food as identified by the likes of Ice Age Farmer. Baroness Neville-Rolfe who heads this scheme is worth looking into. Ads on platforms like Youtube and Spreaker are now full of NWO fronts.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Sep 11, 2021 8:37 AM

I wonder if the admin team could clarify whether the book mentioned at the bottom will be available outside the USA and Canada from 11/09/2021 and if so, whether any online retailers will be selling it?

Pig Swill
Pig Swill
Sep 11, 2021 9:42 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

It’s all on the unanswered questions website.

Shin
Shin
Sep 11, 2021 9:43 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

A paid for PDF would be nice.
I pay for all PDF’s, have done since the the Port Arthur, false flag, Massacre.

Pig Swill
Pig Swill
Sep 11, 2021 2:14 PM
Reply to  Shin

Any good books about that?

Shin
Shin
Sep 12, 2021 5:06 AM
Reply to  Pig Swill

Mass Murder by Keith Allan Noble.
Port Arthur: Enough is Enough by Mary Maxwell and Dee McLachlan

Researcher
Researcher
Sep 12, 2021 5:24 PM
Reply to  Shin

It never even happened. It was a total hoax. All mass shootings and celebrity deaths, including alleged assassinations are hoaxes. They are psychological warfare. 90% or more of your news is completely fake. They barrage people 24-7 with Gematria and symbolism in fake storylines. To shock, traumatize and hypnotize.

Port Arthur, like the Christchurch incident was a hoax to get the guns from the citizens. Why do they need the guns? They want to prevent an uprising in case enough informed people realize their governments are fake and are fronts for the global cabal crime cartel. Which is why they need to shut down the internet (cyber pandemic – ID – authentication – censorship) now.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Sep 13, 2021 6:52 AM
Reply to  Researcher

All mass shootings and celebrity deaths, including alleged assassinations are hoaxes. They are psychological warfare

Why say anything so sweeping and binary, which just makes anything else you have to say look ridiculous? All mass shootings and celebrity deaths? All?. That’s as stupid as saying none.

Researcher
Researcher
Sep 13, 2021 12:06 PM

Let me requalify. I’m referring to the over publicized, hyped events. And the mass shootings that are promoted in the press with an attempted legislative outcome. Maybe the odd shooting where someone is mentally disturbed, kills a family member or two, then himself are possibly real. Whereas the mass shooting events (where the stories go around the world and it seems unthinkable and inexplicable like Port Arthur, ChristChurch and Sandy Hook) all have the hallmarks of fakery, crisis acting and staging. In the same way the terror events are faked to elicit a legislative or military outcome that’s been pre-written and pre-planned.

And the celebrity deaths the press publicize and dramatize are faked. Obviously people die, everyone dies but the way celebrity deaths are used by the press is not normal. Family members who don’t seem distressed or even bothered. The way they allegedly die in overly dramatic and publicized fashion is ritualistic, play acting. These “events” are highly scripted and involve Gematria, symbols, signs and Masonic rituals.

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 12, 2021 1:04 PM
Reply to  Shin

It was certainly bullshit, but how was it a “false flag”?

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 11, 2021 8:08 AM

I’d like to ask something unpopular. Honest question not partisan — how could it be.

There is little in the article (I haven’t read the book) that is not known. The information in the book already exists in the form of affidavits so the retelling is more ‘for the public record’.

Younger people don’t know, you may object.
Younger people watch videos, is my flippant answer apropos to something deeper:

Some bright people knew 9/11 was going to happen, like Bill Cooper. Some knew immediately what it meant, like Dave McGowan. I was an habitué of The Motley Fool since the late nineties but it was mostly financial. Dylan Avery began to write Loose Change in 2003 and released the first version within two years.

Members of the lungenpresse like myself took some years to fully “come to” — mainly because I was up my own arse at the time, busy building houses and trying to join the rentier class.

I was already aware the financial markets were fraudulent, politics a pantomime and worse. In retrospect, it did not comport with my lifestyle or aspirations to connect the dots. Help me Rhonda Hegel — or did someone else say that?

Consciously I was awake and well informed but subconsciously I couldn’t take the next step — I couldn’t, because to fully acknowledge the corruption of the system is to reject it and leave the room. Which I did and I live on the breadline. This is what holds people back. Not information.

With JFK, Mae Brussell pointed out, most of the advances came in the radical press and the analysis of inconsistencies in the official story. Books about JFK became an industry of their own but most of them did little to advance the cause and some were deliberately unhelpful,

It was her painstaking reading of the Warren Commission Report and Sylvia Meagher’s master indexing that were the first breakthroughs. These exposed the connections with people who began dropping dead like Dorothy Kilgallen and brought forth intelligence insiders like L Fletcher Prouty who went on to advise on Oliver Stone’s JFK (1991).

I’d love for Mae to have torn that film apart (the good and the bad) but she had died of the fast-acting cancer in 1988 as would Dave McGowan in 2015. Bill Cooper was gunned down on his doorstep in Nov 2001 before he could say any more.

Mae’s brilliance was in exposing the Octopus of global control. Like Danny Casolaro (murdered 1991) she knew that behind JFK’s execution lay an active network that was operating globally, from Permindex to the P2 and the Vatican to the Hungarian Arrow Cross to Otto von Bolschwing and the NAZIs whose boy was Nixon — on through Heinz Kissinger and Fritz Kraemer, whom Donald Rumsfeld called ”a true keeper of the flame”.

Mae Brussell told of the freelance CIA weapons dealers like Frank Terpil and Edwin Wilson who armed the world’s “terrorist” regimes from Idi Amin to the IRA and Muammar Gaddafi — effectively she exposed Gladio before it was exposed.

Was she right? Not half.

***
9/11 is different to JFK in that the crime and its solving is more scientific. The nature of explosives compact enough to hide, powerful enough to cut steel columns with rapidity and certainty.

More people immediately suspected foul play in JFK’s public execution. Whatever the whores said on TV, JFK had arrived as an outsider (however superficial). He was a massive break with the old men of war. The simple fact of his removal rang bells.

The crime of September 11th was too complex, as former German defence minister Andreas von Bülow said, for any one country, let alone a bunch of terrorists, to carry out.

We don’t need a “complete picture” tied with a bow, for that reason. We need to tear the networks apart, break down information and chase individuals.

Here’s what’s we learned from JFK:

  • JFK’s execution was wrongly seen as a ‘done deal’
  • agencies were blamed when the network is wider
  • financial interests can buy terrorists and whole countries
  • the Octopus of global control was exposed in the 1970s
  • yet people still ignore its role in 9/11 and Covid
  • we have more information
  • modern search tools cripple the imagination

We have an updated macro picture thanks to people like Richard Werner and Catherine Austin Fitts – and plenty of inside micro financial knowledge about insider trading, cross-holdings and who worked for whom.

Next job is to connect the above to the defence contractors who control government data and payment systems with the shadow financial system that Mae Brussell knew was there 50 years ago and which CAF has placed on the table.

Shall we run with it?

More at: https://moneycircus.substack.com/p/covid-points-to-911-perpetrators

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Sep 11, 2021 8:41 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

I have to say that in my opinion, the insider trading aspects are rather a red herring, since firstly no-one ever collected on the contracts and more importantly, if you wanted to get seriously rich on Wall Street, those options wouldn’t have had a big enough value to do it.

So it would only be life transforming for the most junior of brokers.

To me, that is a bit of misdirection covering up the mass destruction of records at WTC7, not to mention the enormous gold heist happening that day as well.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 11, 2021 8:46 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Good point – Lockdown/Covid is the same people and we’re talking trillions.

Trying to remember the guy who worked in Marsh & McLennan who knew all financial and security systems…

The only connections that count now are those that point (from 9/11) to companies and individuals active in Lockdown/Covid.

Gold heists… add Libya, MH370/17 and Afghanistan. Someone is putting in quite some effort.

someone
someone
Sep 11, 2021 8:56 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Richard Grove

https://tragedyandhope.com

He also seems to have some of the obvious gatekeepers on his site for and its been not updated for a while, so take from it what you will.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 11, 2021 9:10 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Thank you!

Wayward minions do stupid things like bet on Airplane stocks… isn’t what half of Congress did with the stimulus, like Pelosi’s husband? It draws attention away from the big money. The real oodles.

Anyone want to revisit the Gelitin B-Thing or are we done with that?

New Nane
New Nane
Sep 11, 2021 10:55 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

The story behind the planting of the explosives that made the plane shaped cut outs ?

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 11, 2021 11:44 AM
Reply to  New Nane

Yes I looked at it last year but is there any new information

https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/08/watch-9-11-truth-on-the-19th-anniversary/#comment-236893

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 12, 2021 7:49 AM
Reply to  New Nane

I suggest you read this:

A Critical Review of WTC “No Plane” Theories

https://911research.wtc7.net/essays/salter/review.html

lysias
lysias
Sep 11, 2021 8:30 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Even if the people who bet on the stocks were all underlings, wouldn’t who those underlings were point to which big shots also had foreknowledge?

NickM
NickM
Sep 11, 2021 2:23 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

“to fully acknowledge the corruption of the system is to reject it and leave the room”

Quit your job to soothe your conscience, but you don’t have to leave the room. And a roomy Truther site like OffG is much more than an echo chamber.

NickM
NickM
Sep 11, 2021 6:53 AM

Twenty years ago, in 2001 the directive came down: “We are going to take out 7 oil rich countries in 5 years, ending with Syria and Iran”.

Happy Twentieth Anniversary, Syria and Iran!

“There was a stone in the middle of the road
In the middle of the road there was a stone
The stone was Syria”.

Pig Swill
Pig Swill
Sep 11, 2021 9:44 AM
Reply to  NickM

And back in 1948 they set up a “new Ulster” in the middle east.

New Nane
New Nane
Sep 11, 2021 10:57 AM
Reply to  NickM

9/11 advanced the Yinon plan. Will convid advance it further ?

NickM
NickM
Sep 11, 2021 2:27 PM
Reply to  New Nane

Anything that swells the coffers of Anglo Zionazi Capitalism advances the relentless expansion of its prestige project in the Middle East. Israel is the most highly capitalized country in the world.

lysias
lysias
Sep 11, 2021 8:31 PM
Reply to  New Nane

Pfizer’s CEO is Israeli.

jimbo
jimbo
Sep 12, 2021 7:07 AM
Reply to  lysias

Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla: ‘Israel has become world’s lab right now’
‘A lot of indicators’ tell us vaccine provides ‘protection against the transmission’ of coronavirus, Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla says.
Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla on Friday said that Israel “has become the world’s lab” for his company’s coronavirus vaccine.

In an interview with NBC News, Bourla said, “I believe Israel has become the world’s lab right now because they are using only our vaccine at this state and they have vaccinated a very big part of their population, so we can study both economy and health indices.”

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/297593

Ort
Ort
Sep 12, 2021 9:12 PM
Reply to  jimbo

I’ll bet that Bourla’s favorite pastime as a kid was capturing bugs in jars and devising ways of torturing them.

I can just picture him dangling from his personal corporate chopper in the skies over Israel on sunny days, wielding an enormous magnifying glass.

WorkingClassHero
WorkingClassHero
Sep 11, 2021 6:41 AM

In other news. Any Australians who are being turned away from stores for not checking in, be sure to quote section 94H of the 1988 Privacy Act.

94H Requiring the use of COVIDSafe
            (1) A person commits an offence if the person requires another person to:
                    (a) download COVIDSafe to a communication device; or
                    (b) have COVIDSafe in operation on a communication device; or
                    (c) consent to uploading COVID app data from a communication device to the National COVIDSafe Data Store.

https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2021C00139

Print off a few copies and hand them to the yellow vest wannabe covid police on the doors at shops. I’m just doing my job does not cut the mustard. You could end up doing 5 years if you are stupid enough to follow orders without question.

The more people that make a scene and stand for whats right, the less this stuff will be accepted as normal.

Shin
Shin
Sep 11, 2021 6:35 AM

The western world lives in a void of dishonesty. It has been that way for a very long time.
Atrocities committed by Governments over that period of time have been nothing short of horrendous.
Government atrocities are committed on an endless basis. Hour after hour and minute after minute.
We plebs are nothing more than pawns in a sick game of chess.
We always have been and always will be.
Yet the truth does matter, even for the sake of your own sanity.

Jacques
Jacques
Sep 11, 2021 7:51 AM
Reply to  Shin

“The western world lives in a void of dishonesty. It has been that way for a very long time.”

No shit! Long time? Probably always. People are motherfuckers given to gluttonous hoarding, coveting your wife/husband, doing all sorts of mean shit. Live with it. Consider it an axiom. Will it ever change? Hardly. Even if everybody were provided with everything they wished, they would still find something they don’t have and somebody else does and would plot to get it. And hoard it. The only solution, theoretically, would be if everybody were exactly the same. But even then, I’d venture to say that people would manage to fuck things up.

Consider man a highly imperfect creature. Don’t whine about it. That’s a fact. Work around it.

Shin
Shin
Sep 11, 2021 8:10 AM
Reply to  Jacques

Fair comment but when did i whine about it. I was simply stating a fact that you just agreed with.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Sep 11, 2021 8:43 AM
Reply to  Shin

Your own sanity comes from giving up on believing that you COULD believe these current governments. That way, when they lie, you are neither surprised nor dis-spirited. You simply accept it as the way that it is.

Shin
Shin
Sep 11, 2021 9:13 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Very true! similar to a comforter for a young child.

New Nane
New Nane
Sep 11, 2021 6:31 AM

No hijacker in history has ever obtained the controls. I know of two attempts, both failures.

NickM
NickM
Sep 11, 2021 3:10 PM
Reply to  New Nane

I believe modern hijackers need not be on the plane; they can control it from the ground through a “back door” in the plane’s computer. This method seems more suited to the sort of highly coordinated State Terrorism (both external and internal terrorism by the State) that we are currently discussing.

David Matthews
David Matthews
Sep 11, 2021 8:47 PM
Reply to  NickM

I believe a plane was successfully remotely flown from US to Australia some time before the attacks. I’m no longer able to give a link to this, but it was well established as fact in “the community” 15 years ago.

The comptroller at the Pentagon prior to Rumsfeld was an Israeli/US dual citizen. He, Rabbi Dov Zakheim, had a private company that was developing this remote control technology. During his tenure over 2 trillion $ slipped through the accounting system, as was announced by Rumsfeld on the 10th. The investigating accounting team who were trying to pin down the missing money were taken out by the “the ahmm missile that hit this building”, as Rumsfeld described the pentagon attack. They had just been moved into the area that was hit after a refurbishment and reinforcement project.

I also think that remote control technology of planes was announced as a new capability by Bush, not so long after the attacks; certainly it was within his presidency. But afraid I no longer have a link for that statement.

Ort
Ort
Sep 11, 2021 9:36 PM
Reply to  David Matthews

Apart from the continuing disputes over whether the 9/11 aircraft actually existed as advertised in the official narrative marketing campaign, and/or were piloted by remote control:

When such speculations were first raised, the Serious, Sensible contingent I dubbed “Trutherphobes” excoriated the so-called “Truther” speculation that full-sized aircraft even could be piloted by remote control. It was nastily dismissed as still another obvious tinfoil-hat fantasy.

Not long afterwards, the existence of remotely-operated drone aircraft was routinely reported in stories related to the so-called “Global War on Terror”; Obama loves ’em!. 

Although I don’t have a definite opinion on the truth of the matter, I don’t recall the scoffers ever admitting that they were wrong, and that remote-control aircraft piloting technology obviously really existed in 2001.

Perhaps they decided that it must have leaped off the drawing board into production years after the 9/11 events– similar to the way “COVID vaccines” are produced.

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Sep 11, 2021 6:03 AM

Twenty bloody years of stonewalling and outright lies. It’s fair to say that their refusal to answer questions is all the answer we need. No one else would get way with it.

Those gangsters got away with it. Now, inevitably, the War on Terra is coming home (on an even more ludicrous pretext), and once again we’re expected to believe the same murderous liars & fearporn-peddlers have humankind’s best interests at heart.

9/11: Press for Truth, 2006, 85 mins:

9/11: Press for Truth follows three of the Jersey Girls (widows of individuals killed in the attacks) as well as other family members in their search for answers about what really happened on 9/11….”

Still one of the best documentaries about that uninvestigated crime and permanent casus belli. Directed by Ray Nowosielski, based on research by the tireless Paul Thompson, compiler of The Complete 9/11 Timeline.

New Nane
New Nane
Sep 11, 2021 1:21 PM
Reply to  Patrick L.

Rubbish.

Martin
Martin
Sep 11, 2021 5:49 AM

“Welcome in Fucktardocracy!” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normopathy

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NickM
NickM
Sep 11, 2021 5:44 AM

Happy 20th Anniversary, Afghanistan!

An inspiration to tiny countries still suffering under Uncle $cam.

Uncle $cam had the fancy watches but you had the time.

Uncle $cam had the fancy weapons but you had the courage.

Uncle $cam has the fancy money but you have what cannot be bought.

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Sep 11, 2021 10:50 AM
Reply to  NickM

“…what cannot be bought.” Aka Pashtunwali: the honour-code of one of the largest and most enduring ethnic-nationalities in the world. Resolute faith in an honourable life, even if it requires sacrifice of that life, will defeat base, unprincipled criminal psychopaths every time.

Bruce Tonka
Bruce Tonka
Sep 11, 2021 4:31 AM

Wow, so it’s finally down to this. Civil war imminent. Hope the military wake the fuck up and realise they getting shafted!

https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-09-10-biden-declares-himself-medical-dictator-nullify-states-rights-force-vaccines.html

Shin
Shin
Sep 11, 2021 5:23 AM
Reply to  Bruce Tonka

A civil war? The chances of that occurring are basically zero.

Chevrus
Chevrus
Sep 11, 2021 6:48 AM
Reply to  Shin

Yeah? Which armchair you sittin in and where?

Shin
Shin
Sep 11, 2021 6:52 AM
Reply to  Chevrus

And what the fuck are you doing besides relaxing in your own armchair. Are you leading the revolution?

James Robertson
James Robertson
Sep 11, 2021 7:58 AM
Reply to  Shin

A very powerful statement from a most profound thinker and beautiful person. Many thanks for your contribution. I don’t know where we would be without you.

Shin
Shin
Sep 11, 2021 8:13 AM

What?

shamen
shamen
Sep 11, 2021 10:02 AM
Reply to  Shin

Always trust the deranged ranger with the latest fear porn with added psyop.

Grafter
Grafter
Sep 11, 2021 10:11 AM
Reply to  Bruce Tonka

Most of these opposition voices appear to think that this toxic form of gene therapy is a vaccine. How depressing.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Sep 11, 2021 4:02 AM

“As a result, the final report ended being a fictional account authored by Zelikow (who has now been named to head a Covid-19 commission.”

“In false-flag operations the blame is usually quickly assigned to “the villain” before there is any investigation of the evidence. This is because the real purpose of a false-flag operation is to fix the blame on a targeted foe for a crime they did not commit. The people assigning the blame are most likely associated with the crime.”

An unspeakable epiphany is knowing a loved one died in a “false flag” and their death is exploited to wage relentless genocidal wars, while the tragic event evolves into an annual memorial for further psychological manipulation by the same gang of complicit gangsters.

https://images.app.goo.gl/PGPYhho8
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New Nane
New Nane
Sep 11, 2021 6:02 AM
Reply to  Charlotte Ruse

“Dynamic link not found.”

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Sep 11, 2021 11:20 AM
Reply to  New Nane

Yes I realized it didn’t go through, but there’s no way to edit the post. Let me try this link it’s the same photo.

https://img.ifunny.co/images/83dfaf678bcbae094edf014d891c02bae9cda084c64789903be672b8c59b9622_1.webp

Ort
Ort
Sep 11, 2021 9:12 PM

It’s funny because it’s true.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Sep 11, 2021 9:36 PM
Reply to  Ort

Yes, tragic but true.

Johnny
Johnny
Sep 11, 2021 3:33 AM

Perhaps the questions we have to ask ourselves are:
Which scenario is the most comprehensible and the most logical and who profited ?
And what do we achieve by knowing the answers?

Shin
Shin
Sep 11, 2021 5:42 AM
Reply to  Johnny

What do we achieve by knowing the answers?
The truth!

S Cooper
S Cooper
Sep 11, 2021 2:59 AM

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“Like talking to a brick wall.”
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Bruce Tonka
Bruce Tonka
Sep 11, 2021 6:18 AM
Reply to  S Cooper

Exactly how I feel when I try and explain to one of the brainwashed that the vaccine is designed to kill you.

Joe Van Steenbergen
Joe Van Steenbergen
Sep 11, 2021 1:35 AM

As critical and important as this is, little of it will matter any more in the wake of Biden’s assumption of dictatorial powers with his “vaccine” mandate. This is the date when we can officially and literally say that the US government has ceased to exist as a Constitutional republic, and has descended into the abyss of fascism. It may not be apparent to most, but this action by Biden signals that we no longer have a functioning government, that he, as el Supremo, will dictate to us nearly everything that we can and cannot do, where we can and cannot go, whether we can or cannot work, whether we can or cannot get medical care, etc. Today’s action is akin to Hitler’s swearing in as Chancellor of Germany in 1930. Biden has assume dictatorial powers, and no one can protect us, least of all the Constitution, from this new tyrannical government.

Doctortrinate
Doctortrinate
Sep 11, 2021 3:21 AM

Biden is a lunatic…he or his cronies can pretend whatever they like, they can tell us all to eat a slice of apple pie with the backside of a teaspoon 10 minutes before going to bed, only idiots would accede to their pathetic instruction, but as the multitude are many and the handful of politicians few, who has the greater share of the deranged ?

Ort
Ort
Sep 11, 2021 9:11 PM
Reply to  Doctortrinate

Biden may be a lunatic, but at this stage– to use a old-fashioned term that unexpectedly leaped into mainstream news reporting when Kim Jong-un applied it to Donald Trump– he’s a dotard lunatic.

Sorry for using one of the “-tard” words that has fallen into ideological disfavor, but anyone who’s spent time with an elderly relative succumbing to progressive dementia knows this isn’t just a deplorable “ageist” epithet.

Bruce Tonka
Bruce Tonka
Sep 11, 2021 6:19 AM

https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-09-10-biden-declares-himself-medical-dictator-nullify-states-rights-force-vaccines.html

It’s going to boil down to a few Generals deciding whether they should grow a pair.

someone
someone
Sep 11, 2021 8:27 AM

welcome to Europe.

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Sep 11, 2021 11:49 AM

Can we just get straight here that Biden is a geriatrically-incompetent puppet. He doesn’t write this stuff, out of his own careful pondering. He just reads what the faction pulling his strings tell him to read.

This is another move in the attempts of that faction to grab power. We have to suspect that the faction is made up of, or entirely under the control of, the clique of globalists who are trying to grab power more widely in the world through the covid scam.

Howard
Howard
Sep 11, 2021 4:13 PM

It’s precisely for Mr Biden’s mental degeneration that it should be quite easy for an attorney to make the case that since Mr Biden is not thinking clearly, his pronouncements regarding COVID are invalid.

And, as an added bonus, the “men behind the throne” cannot attempt to contradict such an assertion without tipping their hand – for to do so makes it crystal clear even to the most dumbed down that American democracy is a sham.

In a word, the “powers that be” just may have backed themselves into a corner – which only Mr Biden’s removal will alleviate.

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
Sep 11, 2021 12:52 AM

Thanks for this.

gorden
gorden
Sep 11, 2021 12:32 AM

Unanswered Questions

i got plenty of answers from lovely brave christopher bollyn
and by karballa my comment is 13

its all numbers init

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 11, 2021 12:08 AM

I won’t turn away from the book by any means.
But I still want to know what we can do about it.
Somewhere in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, the authority to bring traitors to justice exists.
It needs to be exercised quickly – or do we have to wait for all our modern Eichmanns, Mengeles and Himmlers to die of old age…?

Pig Swill
Pig Swill
Sep 11, 2021 12:32 AM
Reply to  wardropper

It appears that the levers of control are well and truly, totally, emphatically and securely in the hands of evil. It’ll be a bumpy, bumpy ride from here on in for anyone not 100% compliant with said evil.

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 11, 2021 2:52 AM
Reply to  Pig Swill

Well, some of us will undoubtedly ensure that it’s a bumpy bumpby ride for them too.
Evil like this doesn’t just disappear in the sands of time.
These specimens will be remembered.
People will be astonished that they were allowed to get away with their crimes for so long, and books will be written – long after the guilty are dead of course…

NickM
NickM
Sep 11, 2021 5:55 AM
Reply to  Pig Swill

A bumpy ride and a Long March:

“Justice comes from the barrel of a gun” — Mao Zedong

dom irritant
dom irritant
Sep 16, 2021 10:06 AM
Reply to  NickM

Incorrect again, Mao did not say that!
Political power maybe but not ‘justice’.

NickM
NickM
Sep 11, 2021 5:53 AM
Reply to  wardropper

“Nothing major is achieved in human affairs until there is blood running in the streets” — Bernard Shaw (also attributed to Rockefeller).

It would take a civil insurrection to bring the Bush crime family and its accomplices to trial.

It would take a bloody Communist revolution to install social justice into the EU$A regime.

New Nane
New Nane
Sep 11, 2021 6:07 AM
Reply to  NickM

Convid is a communist revolution. Bernard Shaw wanted in his own words to kill a lot of people. He urged the chemists to come up with a gas to kill people. Nearly a century later the depopulators have created mRNA.

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Sep 11, 2021 11:53 AM
Reply to  New Nane

Jesus, the illiteracy around here in the btl basement is tiresome. Do look into a dictionary on the actual definition of the word ‘communist’!

Howard
Howard
Sep 11, 2021 4:49 PM

Please be gentle. New Nane clearly believes brevity is the soul of wit.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Sep 11, 2021 8:50 AM
Reply to  NickM

The assumption here is that you want to bring them to trial rather than just hang them from a lamp post and then mount their severed heads on a spike.

Trials are the prerogative of strong, functional states committed to the rule of law.

Are you sure that the USA is currently described thus?

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Sep 11, 2021 8:49 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Just remember that the Nazis only got justice due to foreign nations winning WWII. Nuremberg wasn’t convened by Germans, was it?

If you don’t want a new US Republic declared by foreign powers who brought your sorry current denouement to an end, you will need to get organised rather well and pretty quick.

Howard
Howard
Sep 11, 2021 4:21 PM
Reply to  wardropper

It’s not for nothing that for literally decades now the American Constitution has been little more than a running joke in the public domain. People have been conditioned to view the Constitution as an antiquated concoction which no one but Alex Jones takes seriously any more.

The very concept of “Treason” pretty much ended when Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were murdered for espionage. Now that there’s no Soviet Union to pass documents to, treason has been put out to pasture.

What? Treason against the American people because of a pandemic? That is sooo yesterday! Just ask any talking head on TV.

Claret
Claret
Sep 10, 2021 11:58 PM

Where are they now?

9/11 WTC Survivors Arthur del Bianco, Marlene Cruz, Hursley Lever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CoiDBB3ha0

Really? Can anyone honestly take this seriously?

Ort
Ort
Sep 10, 2021 11:03 PM

I will probably repeat this comment in the upcoming threads to articles focusing on the catastrophic events of September 11, 2001. Sorry about that.

I live in a suburb just outside Philadelphia, PA. This week local news articles have focused on Flight 93– Shanksville, PA is about 200 miles west of Philly.

It almost goes without saying, but FWIW the articles all piously regurgitate the lame “Let’s Roll!” official narrative. Most are glurge-saturated tributes to the Heroes, interviews with the heroic passengers’ survivors, etc. 

They also cover memorial services at the monument erected near the site of the “crash”, which are an orgy of maudlin BS on steroids. Dignitaries far and wide attend to get their demagogic rocks off. I wouldn’t be surprised if The Ghost of Joe Biden (Barely) Present, a Scranton, PA native, turns up to stumble through a tribute speech.

Inquirer.com, Philly’s remaining major newspaper, even has a special “educational” article with the intriguing title “What happened on United Flight 93?” I’m not including a link to this clickbait, but I checked just to confirm my guess. Sure enough, the article is just a bare-bones “timeline” of the crash that repeats the standard fictional official version– at least it doesn’t include schmaltzy chatter about Todd Beamer and the other valiant resisters.

One blurb on the local newsradio site solemly asserted that the passengers’ heroic resistance “probably saved thousands of lives”. I assume they’re quoting some official.

Yes, this is pretty much what’s to be expected. They’re really all still pretending that Flight 93 crashed as advertised. But it’s mildly astonishing that this particular fetid heap of infoganda BS is still being flogged as an unquestionably accurate account of actual events.

someone
someone
Sep 11, 2021 8:34 AM
Reply to  Ort

Its a duplication of a religious parade very similar to the traditional parading of the statues of the saints in southern Europe, not an analysis of events.

It prevents any questions and creates an object of worship humans are keyed to respond to by our biology. Questioning this becomes dangerous in a literal sense.

You have to hand it to them, they have a an extremely good understanding of the basic mechanics of human behaviour and can turn it on and off, implant any belief (irrespective as to whether it matches reality in any form) at will on any subject.

In some ways its depressing to be outside it.

Grafter
Grafter
Sep 11, 2021 10:20 AM
Reply to  Ort

Yes, a hole in the ground, no wreckage, no human remains.

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 12, 2021 7:15 AM
Reply to  Grafter
Grafter
Grafter
Sep 12, 2021 5:04 PM
Reply to  Cliff Edwards

“Disappeared into a strip mine”

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 13, 2021 3:19 AM
Reply to  Grafter

How about you enlighten us as to what, in your opinion, actually happened to Flight 93? Wouldn’t mind a good laugh myself.

Grafter
Grafter
Sep 13, 2021 12:29 PM
Reply to  Cliff Edwards

Dear Cliff, I do hope that you don’t believe that WTC7 collapsed due to an office fire, that a jet airliner was flown into the Pentagon or that two aeroplanes reduced most of the Twin Towers into a fine powder ? I suggest you read 9/11 Unmasked by Dr Ray Griffin, sections IV & VIII as to the implausibility of the official “narrative” concerning Flight 93. Here’s a credible witness.

“9/11” Shanksville, PA anomaly: Susan McElwain and flight 93 interview (PART 1) [GUEST] (bitchute.com)

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 13, 2021 12:50 PM
Reply to  Grafter

It’s very obvious to me that WTC1, WTC2 and WTC7 were brought down by controlled demolitions.

I’m not sufficiently gullible to believe any of the “no plane” theories, but neither am I sufficiently gullible to believe all of the official narrative.

Right now I can’t be stuffed looking for Griffin’s works online, if they can even be found there, so, as I asked you before, how about you tell me what happened to Flight 93? And what about Flight 175, if it didn’t hit the Pentagon?

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 13, 2021 1:02 PM
Reply to  Cliff Edwards

Regarding the Pentagon, that would be Flight 77 of course, not 175.

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 13, 2021 2:15 PM
Reply to  Grafter

One “credible witness”. Impressive!

On the other hand…

Eyewitness Reports (Flight 93)

https://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/flight93witnesses.html

The accounts excerpted here corroborate analysis based on other bodies of evidence that Flight 93 was shot down, not crashed as the result of a struggle, as the official story holds.

The Crash of Flight 93

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/flight93/index.html

The evidence shows that Flight 93 did indeed crash near Shanksville, and suggests that the passengers did struggle to gain control of the plane. However, the cause of the crash was apparently trauma to the aircraft — such as a missile strike — rather than the actions of whoever was in the cockpit. Evidence of such trauma preceding the jetliner’s nose-dive includes the widely scattered debris field, numerous ear- and eyewitness accounts, and evidence that NORAD and the 9/11 Commission changed the timeline to hide the plane’s true fate.

As for the Pentagon:

Eyewitnesses Accounts (Flight 77)

https://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/bart.html

Refute away! LOL

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 13, 2021 2:55 PM
Reply to  Grafter

By the way, on the web page I cited it actually says “crashed into a reclaimed strip mine”, and if you’d bothered reading further down the page you would have come across this:

In contrast to theories that Flight 93’s crash were faked, the theory that it was shot down, supported by abundant evidence, is consistent with accounts of the passenger takeover. In fact, the most likely reason for a shoot-down is that the passengers had rescued the plane from the hijackers, and that authorities feared exposure of the larger 9/11 plot if the plane were to land.

So there was no need to mention Griffin at all, was there?

Howard
Howard
Sep 11, 2021 4:55 PM
Reply to  Ort

A Feather of the Holy Ghost, which a priest was said to have offered for sale in the Middle Ages, will be easier to track than any possible bone fragment of any of the crash victims of Flight 93 at the crash site.

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 12, 2021 7:14 AM
Reply to  Ort
susan mullen
susan mullen
Sep 10, 2021 10:48 PM

The glut of Deutsche Bank pre-911 activity was common knowledge. Good, I thought, we can easily find out who did this. When they said, no we can’t ask DB for that, it was obvious the US government had attacked its own citizens or at least did nothing to stop such an attack. Of course, 9/11/2001 was the second World Trade Center attack, the first being in Feb. 1993 which killed 6 and wounded 1000. A bunch of losers living in Jersey City put together a bomb and drove into an underground parking garage under one of the towers. The perps were just a few of the millions of foreign Islamists the US government likes to welcome as “refugees,” “diversity lottery” winners, “skilled workers,” and the like.

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 11, 2021 12:11 AM
Reply to  susan mullen

Thank you, Mr. Cheney.
We’ll call you back.

Claret
Claret
Sep 11, 2021 12:37 AM
Reply to  susan mullen

And scared off the few companies that were still renting office space there?
Were the towers ever fully occupied ?

susan mullen
susan mullen
Sep 11, 2021 3:16 AM
Reply to  Claret

3000 children under age 18 lost a parent on 9/11/2001.

NickM
NickM
Sep 11, 2021 6:13 AM
Reply to  susan mullen

And the criminals who committed that atrocity are hidden in plain view: the entire blood soaked and cold blooded Bush/Cheney regime.

Claret
Claret
Sep 11, 2021 10:54 AM
Reply to  susan mullen

3000 families amounts to a lot of people….if we are to believe the profiles of the victims, many of their families must’ve been quite well-off and could afford good lawyers. We haven’t heard very much at all from them, hardly a peep in fact.
Maybe they all believe the official narrative and are satisfied with that.

Judith
Judith
Sep 11, 2021 12:05 PM
Reply to  Claret

Didn’t everyone involved, those who survived and family members of those who died, get financial “compensation” from the US government? If I recall correctly the fund was in the millions.

I’m sorry if this sounds harsh, but in that case perhaps they had to sign a release stating they could not/ would not talk about 9/11 publicly or try to sue and seek further damages and more importantly answers and accountability.

Claret
Claret
Sep 11, 2021 3:14 PM
Reply to  Judith

‘Didn’t everyone involved, those who survived and family members of those who died, get financial “compensation” from the US government?’
….
Not that I’m aware of.
Wouldn’t offers of some kind of hush money make those ‘bereaved families’ more suspicious and angry? It would be like the US government would be admitting some kind of responsibility.

Judith
Judith
Sep 11, 2021 7:30 PM
Reply to  Claret

I answered my own question.

Yes, there is/was a fund for victims and families. So far 7 billion has been given.

Recipients had to sign a form swearing they would never sue an airline.

I would imagine there was more to it than that.

Claret
Claret
Sep 12, 2021 8:07 PM
Reply to  Judith

It could also be a way to pay the people who were involved in the scam. Sometimes saying nothing about a crime amounts to, or is effective as, lying.How did they pay all those 9/11 ‘witnesses’ for their TV perfomances?

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Sep 11, 2021 12:03 PM
Reply to  susan mullen

Actually rather more than that, susan, if you can manage to lift your eyes for a moment from the stars and stripes on your navel, and notice that an often-calamitous wider world exists outside the Sacred Republic.

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Sep 11, 2021 12:00 PM
Reply to  susan mullen

Oh, is that how you describe the FBI now? Skilled-ish workers might be more accurate. It’s a question whether setting up patsies to commit ‘terrorist acts’ has actually forwarded their real purposes much.

Igor
Igor
Sep 10, 2021 10:44 PM

The September 11, 2001 Families are diverting attention towards 1) airplanes, 2) hijacker pilots, and 3) Saudi government involvement.

It was a controlled demolition of outdated office towers for the insurance payout, and as a benefit to the State, a reason to declare a forever war on various targeted nations.

No planes means no pilots, and no Saudi assistance was necessary.

The Families keep jerking attention back to the planes and the Saudis.

NORAD couldn’t intercept planes which didn’t exist. Radar cannot detect planes which aren’t there.

WTC 7, which was immaculately collapsed, housed Pentagon’s financial records, which somehow contrary to accepted, and required by Federal regulations, business practices of the time, were not duplicated with off site backups at a secure site in case of a disaster. Those records were being used to investigate unaccounted $2.2 Trillion of Pentagon spending. The team investigating was a Office of Naval Intelligence group housed at the Pentagon. [ONI was the USA’s national intelligence service prior to the creation of the CIA. Naval attaches were embedded in embassies.] Supposedly, the strike at the Pentagon conveniently took out that area and the entire ONI team. Nothing official was ever said again about the missing money or the investigation.

Somehow, all of this was coordinated by bin Laden, in a cave, on a dialysis machine, using a sat phone. Where was Colonel Mustard at the time?

NickM
NickM
Sep 11, 2021 6:16 AM
Reply to  Igor

It was coordinated in a much bigger and darker cave or labyrinth in Washington DC.

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Sep 11, 2021 12:08 PM
Reply to  NickM

Also – and earlier – in a labyrinth in Tel Aviv. (Bollyn.com)

New Nane
New Nane
Sep 11, 2021 6:17 AM
Reply to  Igor

The fake “UA 175” videos vanished into the Memory Hole soon after the initial media blitz. For good reason.

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 12, 2021 7:04 AM
Reply to  Igor

The “no plane” theories constitute a steaming pile of fresh shit. Do yourself a favour and read the relevant articles on this site:

https://911research.wtc7.net

Igor
Igor
Sep 10, 2021 10:01 PM

“Wirt Walker III, a business partner of the president’s brother, Marvin Bush.”

Wirt Walker was most likely also related to the president as well. Dubya’s father’s full name is George Herbert Walker Bush. Indicating a geneological relationship between the Bush line and the Walker line.

Wayne Vanderploeg
Wayne Vanderploeg
Sep 10, 2021 9:58 PM

I don’t give a FUCK about 9/11. What Biden did yesterday should be at the forefront of what we are talking about.

Darla
Darla
Sep 10, 2021 10:55 PM

What did Biden do yesterday?

Judith
Judith
Sep 11, 2021 12:08 PM
Reply to  Darla

He became the Dictator of the United States of America.

I think it’s being called A Six Point Plan.

EVERYONE is to be vaccinated.

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Sep 11, 2021 12:10 PM
Reply to  Darla

Read out the script his keepers gave him.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 10, 2021 10:59 PM

I always qualify my opinion on 9/11 American version if someone brings it up. . One , the death of a few hundred banksters and profiteers is a probably a good thing , two , the deaths of several hundred airline passengers a form of collateral damage is appalling , and three, the deaths of hundreds of firemen and cops due to improper training and a poor command structure should have been investigated . Other than that as you say who really gives a fuck!

New Nane
New Nane
Sep 11, 2021 6:18 AM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

What planes, shill ?

James Robertson
James Robertson
Sep 11, 2021 8:02 AM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

If you are trying to convince the world that you are a worthless piece of human garbage, you are going about it the right way.

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
Sep 11, 2021 12:54 AM

Amazing how you don’t see that 9/11 enabled what Biden did yesterday.

Martha
Martha
Sep 11, 2021 1:35 AM

They might look unrelated, but they are extensions of the same timeline. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Same agenda, just marched forward year after year, decade after decade, lie after lie after lie.

MaryLS
MaryLS
Sep 11, 2021 4:59 AM

Could be the same problem.

Joerg
Joerg
Sep 10, 2021 9:54 PM

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 12, 2021 6:57 AM
Reply to  Joerg

Do yourself a favour and read the articles on this site:

https://911research.wtc7.net

Joerg
Joerg
Sep 10, 2021 9:42 PM

Not earlier then some years after 2001 I realized things were different from what we were told. For the young ones, who like to do some research: My greatest help was Simon Shack and his “September clues”: *http://www.septclues.com/ … and Jack White (who already passed away some 10 years ago) and his “911 Research”: *http://www.jackwhites911studies.org/911photostudies1.htm .
 
 
As an appetizer here from Simon Shack
 
http://www.septclues.com/ANIMATED%20GIF%20FILES%20sept%20clues%20research/7lastsecondsAlQuaedaDivebomber2.gif
 
… and …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh7cKDXnS_s
 

Joerg
Joerg
Sep 10, 2021 9:50 PM
Reply to  Joerg
someone
someone
Sep 10, 2021 11:07 PM
Reply to  Joerg

Interesting site that.

I am still undecided as to its origin and purpose.

Whoever it is certainly digs up a lot of interesting photos.

Joerg
Joerg
Sep 10, 2021 11:13 PM
Reply to  someone

It’s just that article (nd the comments below) . With “Aangirfan” I am also “undecided as to its origin and purpose”.

ImpObs
ImpObs
Sep 11, 2021 8:10 AM
Reply to  Joerg

I’ve read Aang & Irfan for years, the links are often an eclectic mix, trains of thought are often loose and fragile, some of the links are definately obscure, but I think their hearts are in the right place.

Evil Harry
Evil Harry
Sep 10, 2021 9:39 PM

“the millions of innocent victims throughout the world who have been murdered by the U.S. government in the name of 9/11”. Lost interest at that point with such a massive lie going unchallenged.
Millions?
By the US?
Utter garbage.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Sep 11, 2021 1:01 AM
Reply to  Evil Harry

Would 100,000 sound nicer?

NickM
NickM
Sep 11, 2021 6:22 AM
Reply to  Veri Tas

Just the 3,000 blown up in NYC would sound even nicer.

James Robertson
James Robertson
Sep 11, 2021 8:03 AM
Reply to  Evil Harry

Please enlighten us evil one, how many have they murdered in the name of 911?

Howard
Howard
Sep 11, 2021 5:09 PM
Reply to  Evil Harry

Ah! It would appear you’re a “collateral damage” skeptic. These millions were not killed outright but rather through a host of ancillary events proceeding from the invasions – so they don’t count.

I suppose, too, you might be persuaded to consider the civilians vaporized at Hiroshima and Nagasaki merely collateral damage – kind of after the fact – so they don’t count either.

It’s tough being a stickler for linguistic purity; but someone has to do it.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 10, 2021 9:29 PM

Covid Points To 9/11 Perpetrators — Urgent Power Grab Reveals their Hand

Event Covid has taught us more about the events of September 11th 2001 than we could ever have learned before. Finally, we are getting a glimpse behind the curtain.

Be careful what you ask for! Cui bono is the legal principle that says probable responsibility for an event lies with those who stand to gain.

The digital-financial complex is ground zero of a transfer of wealth under cover of Covid. There is nothing coincidental — the plans were laid beforehand. Their power exceeds nations and they conspire openly to reset the world to their profit.

Twenty years after 9/11 we confront the power of The Investors. If we have only just seen them, we cannot ignore their hand in similar catalyzing events.

***
They lounged across the tables at Café 43 in Dallas where I had agreed to meet for a job interview. The eatery at the Bush Center is named in honor of the 43rd President of the United States. Over iced tea, they mulled the menu: would it be Laura’s culinary curiosities or George W Bush’s Favorite Burger… char grilled?

Would the image of those faces peeking out between the grilles of the World Trade Center have caused a moment’s hesitation? Some people have stronger stomachs but, anyway, 15 years had passed.

***
On that day in 2001 I had watched events on television, then driven to a meeting of my journalists’ union in Amsterdam. A colleague was describing how her son reacted to the video as an action movie: of plane hitting tower. His exclamation was: Wow! She had had to tell him that those offices were full of people.

How do we react now? Some rage at the terrorists or pause to remember the firefighters who gave their lives.

Others are still wrenched with emotion at those who fluttered tablecloths and torn shirts from the smoking windows, thinking we had failed to notice them. Their faith in us so strong they knew we would save them if only they could catch our attention.

We would not abandon those above the 92nd floor (or the 77th of WTC 2) once we had seen them, surely: they called out. Phone operators assured them we were coming. Their confidence in humanity remained unshaken almost until the last.

***
Fine silks and claret are a poor placeholder for the mechanic grease and spilled guts of war, but no less true for that.

It would not be worth mention — except in our age of public relations brands are our best friends and the man or woman on the couch, glued to their gadget, is inclined to dismiss the inuendo of slave labour or smear of plundered resources.

We are not free of guilt. Wars waged on pretext of man-in-cave feed the same private military armies that overturn governments to seize lithium, cobalt and other minerals. Elon Musk: “We will coup whoever we want! Deal with it” — after the overthrow of Bolivia’s President Evo Morales in 2019.

The Carnegie Endowment (for international peace, no less) once asked its trustees: “Is there any means known more effective than war, assuming you wish to alter the life of an entire people? And they conclude that, no more effective means to that end is known to humanity, than war.”

That was in 1908, according to the testimony of the former banker Norman Dodd, director of research (1952-54) of the House Select Committee to Investigate Tax-Exempt Foundations, known for short as the Reece Committee.

The British and Americans certainly altered the life of the Chinese. The American families that owe their wealth to opium include: Delano, Astor, Weld, Cabot, Cushing, Forbes, Lowell, Kirkland, Perkins, Coolidge, Jefferson, Kerry, Russell and Green — Skull and Bones and all the top university endowments are deep in opium and China.

Future president Herbert Hoover, too. He recruited Chinese by the gangload to dig trenches for WW1 — and to stay on afterwards for three years to bury the dead.

Basil Zaharoff became famous as the ‘merchant of death’ but he was the Greek pin-up. Gerry Docherty and James MacGregor in Hidden History, The Secret Origins of the First World War (2013) revealed the truth to be bankers, bankers and yet more bankers.

As former navy surgeon Dr. Lee Merritt says: “Look at your worldview. If you think we’re fighting a virus you’re going to act like a victim if you believe we are at war you will act like a warrior. It’s a fifth-generation, uncharacteristic, unrestricted war and we have to determine who the enemy is.”

Are we already in WW3, just that it’s hybrid and unorthodox? Do Carnegie and Rockefeller still “wish to alter the life of an entire people?” And have they finally found a means “more effective than war”?

https://moneycircus.substack.com/p/covid-points-to-911-perpetrators

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 10, 2021 11:26 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Stranger still is that oddly enough the offices of the bankster towers were not full the day the aircraft crashed into them ! Half of the deaths were collateral damage cops , firemen, and airliner passengers. whose surviving friends and relatives all had a story to tell but have been rarely if ever interviewed.

NickM
NickM
Sep 11, 2021 6:31 AM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

Even stranger, no dual citizens were doing business in the bankster towers that day. That was the only day Lucky Larry never went to work. ZIM shipping company had already cancelled its office space at a financial penalty. The Israeli Mossad Performance Artists who had been swinging up and down lift shafts and posing near switchboards for months had left the Towers and were standing on a neighbouring rooftop ready to film the event and dance with joy when the Towers blew up and 3,000 New Yorkers lost their lives.

Hugh O'Neill
Hugh O'Neill
Sep 10, 2021 9:20 PM

Excellent Review. The modus operandi of the original crime, the manufactured narrative, the “official investigation” and 20 year cover-up immediately resonates with the greatest Coup d’Etat of 22nd Nov 1963. Mr. Zeligman is our Allen Dulles i.e. the insider who knew the whole story, but controlled the investigation. Zelikow’s academic interests included the JFK Assassination and the creation of myths. His co-authored paper “Catastrophic Terrorism” written 2-3 years before 9/11 is evidence of his foreknowledge. I live in hope that law-suits served on such individuals, might cause the whole cabal to tear itself to pieces. If nothing else, its might give the perpetrators some sleepless nights wondering if they might be next. Psychological counter warfare.

NickM
NickM
Sep 11, 2021 6:36 AM
Reply to  Hugh O'Neill

“I live in hope that law-suits”

Crowd funded law-suits are our most promising weapon. There should be more of them. Since many criminals in the U$ regime have a Law degree (eg, Obama) fight fire with fire.

Willem
Willem
Sep 10, 2021 9:04 PM

Nobody knows who did it, yet we all know.

The only thing I am not really sure of, is who is the ultimate culprit. I mean the thing couldn’t have happened if Joe public wasn’t that deluded and preferred to stay that way.

Why do people prefer to be deluded over accepting that they were deluded, but now see clearly? If they can’t accept reality, the culprits remain free. C/ the first culprit is Joe public as this thing never could have happened and stay that way if Joe public would have tried to get themselves informed.

But who cares. It was an American problem to start with

Then we had Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, but who cares.

No we have covid and they still don’t get it.

Is what 20 years of watching tv does to a person.

Comfortably numb…

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 10, 2021 11:19 PM
Reply to  Willem

Saudi jihadis killing banksters and profiteers was a win win situation to my way of thinking as you note “Joe public” probably secretly shares my view. The attempt to conflate by denial the Saudi attack on 9/11 [ laying the blame totally on the beyond incompetent Bush2 regime is laughable ] with JFK and Covid the political position is a loser in my opinion .The Patriot Act and the new improved more draconian upgrade of said act recently introduced should be discussed .

New Nane
New Nane
Sep 11, 2021 6:26 AM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

Shut up.

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Sep 11, 2021 12:31 PM
Reply to  New Nane

The Saudis were barely involved, beyond shuffling paperwork at the Embassy to get the Arab patsies into the US. The real prime movers were strategists within the zionistan-in-Palestine ruling ‘elite’, years before the fact, who were planning and preparing for years, eventually recruiting a clique within the US ruling ‘elite’ into their conspiracy. (Chris lays it all out en claire at ‘Bollyn.com’)

The ridiculous ‘Saudi thing’ currently getting another airing is a limited hangout, a distraction-circus diverting attention as usual.

James Robertson
James Robertson
Sep 11, 2021 8:11 AM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

It was Israelis who were arrested on September 11th in New Jersey preparing to flee the US. It was Israelis who lied about their whereabouts on the morning of September 11th. From where are you dredging up the crap that you repeatedly spew forth? Where does this idiotic bullshit come from?

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 12, 2021 6:48 AM

It comes from his paymaster(s).

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Sep 11, 2021 4:26 AM
Reply to  Willem
Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 11, 2021 9:41 AM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

The trick apparently is to find anything that eases the entry of zinc into cells, along with antioxidants and anti-inflammatories. There are plenty that they can’t ban.

Bob the Hod
Bob the Hod
Sep 11, 2021 11:52 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

I’m just recovering from a nasty little bout of the lurgy, completely floored me for a few days. I did a lateral flow test which came back positive, but didn’t report it because I refuse to play the game. My partner did one of those and a PCR test, both positive but she’s hardly even had a symptom.

As well as eating lots of raw garlic, chilli, ginger, kale and berries while I was ill, I also utilised my ready and waiting supply of N-Acetylcysteine (NAC). I was already taking 10000iu/day of vitamin D3 plus vitamin k2, zinc and magnesium and I think the fact that I got ill in the first place was down to the fact that I’d been working too much and not sleeping enough, and not being as fastidious as I could be in keeping up my usual good dietary practices.

Anyway, NAC seems to be backed up by a fair amount of research, is cheap and very safe, and I’m glad I had some in reserve.

N-Acetylcysteine to Combat COVID-19: An Evidence Review

juno
juno
Sep 11, 2021 3:24 PM
Reply to  Bob the Hod

NAC is wonderful stuff.

I had the crud in Nov ’19. Before the rush. I just thought it was a weird flu. I had ropy mucus for the first and only time in my life that wasn’t responding to guafenisin, so Iooked up natural OTC products to ease it and stumbled on NAC, used by people with Cystic Fibrosis for the same reason.

Two days later, I was breathing clear again and had expelled all of the mucus literally choking me.

It’s getting harder to find in the US. A friend went looking for it and it was (like ag ivermectin) no longer on the shelves. But many mail order vitamin places still have it if you look.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Sep 11, 2021 11:03 AM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

There’s a case for prosecution for medical negligence right there.

NickM
NickM
Sep 11, 2021 6:39 AM
Reply to  Willem

“Nobody knows who did it, yet we all know.”

To find the ultimate criminal, begin your search in the financial square mile known as The City of London. The beating heart of the Anglo Zionazi Capitalist Empire.

“The only thing I am not really sure of, is who is the ultimate culprit.”

To find the ultimate criminal, begin your search in the financial square mile known as The City of London. The beating heart of the Anglo Zionazi Capitalist Empire.

But remember, this only applies to the past 200 years of history in the West — our little slot in space-time. I am convinced the ultimate problem lies further than the furthest stars and nearer than our minds:

“For we wrestle not only against flesh and blood but against Principles and Powers in the Cosmos” — St.Paul

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Sep 11, 2021 11:01 AM
Reply to  Willem

You could go back another 50 years and the story would still be the same. Assassinations of the Kennedys and MLK; coups all over Central and South America; the coup in Iran in 1953; Russophobia during the entire Cold War (not that they were saints, mind).

It really would be a good idea to make 30 year olds read Lewis Carroll and discuss how his ‘story for children’ is reality in adult life.

‘Those who do not learn from history are destined to repeat it’.

The record has been replayed at least two dozen times and its scope gets more ambitious each decade.