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WATCH: 9/11 Truth on the 19th Anniversary James Corbett interviews Richard Gage on recent research, planned events and legal proceedings.

Richard Gage of AE911Truth.org joins James to discuss the various actions, inquests, studies, documentaries and conferences that are happening around the 19th anniversary of 9/11.

OffGuardian is also planning a short series articles on relating 9/11 to the current push for a “new normal”, and how the topic takes on a new relevance in the age of Covid.

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Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 10, 2020 6:33 AM

Until you wake up to the truth that death and injury were staged on 9/11 your understanding of that event and of psyops in general will remain extremely limited. When you understand the propaganda strategy to stagnate the truth by targeting truthers to ensure they maintain their belief in death and injury it will increase your understanding generally of psyops by orders of magnitude.

Often the essential truth of a psyop is very, very simple. The rest is propaganda.

On 9/11, buildings were damaged and destroyed.

For the alleged COVID-19 pandemic the truth is that there is no “novel” virus. There is nada, niente, zilch. It is the Emperor’s New Clothes par excellence.

It is most instructive to look at the parallels between 9/11 and COVID-19.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/911–covid-19-the-parallels.html

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Sep 10, 2020 2:17 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

You are either a despicable troll, or a complete idiot. It is people such as your self that pollute all rational public debate. Face the facts and quit lying in public..

Fish & Chips
Fish & Chips
Sep 20, 2020 2:18 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

“Occam’s razor” is a phrase frequently used by unintelligent people to justify the claim that the only answer they can think of must be the right one.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 9, 2020 5:49 PM

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Simon
Simon
Sep 9, 2020 5:01 PM

The campaign for an inquest is for this guy who apparently worked for Reuters.

Name:Geoffrey Thomas Campbell… Occupation: Reuters

http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/people/3465.html

There is this blog post which seems to have assembled quite a few names of people he knew. There is a comment from his dad saying his name is Geoff.

He absolutely hated being called Geoffrey (something to do with a giraffe and ” Toys-r-us”)

His name is Geoff!

Geoff’s dad

https://cpunchmansworld.blogspot.com/2006/09/remembering-victims-of-9-11-geoffrey.html

Simon
Simon
Sep 9, 2020 6:00 PM
Reply to  Simon

by simonshack » Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:08 pm

lux wrote:

May we now post here about Mr. Campbell using his first & last name and/or photos?

Dear Lux,

Please know that our Matt Campbell has been sending me various e-mails these last few days, regretting that his actions caused Cluesforum to be shut down, saying he now believes NO planes hit the towers (thus ‘supporting the SC research’) – and even musing that, for what he knows, his brother “Geoff” may not have perished in the tower collapses at all !

Matt also acknowledges that the human tissue that was sent to him from New York may not have been that of his brother Geoff.

An interesting case, huh?

http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=246&p=2389532

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 10, 2020 6:20 AM
Reply to  Simon

Thank you Simon for being one of the very very few on OffG who recognises the big lie about death and injury on 9/11.

See my comment https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/08/watch-9-11-truth-on-the-19th-anniversary/#comment-237433

Fish & Chips
Fish & Chips
Sep 20, 2020 2:27 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

A person can claim that the there were explosives in the buildings and onboard the plane, and that W7 was detonated, and that it was an inside job and / or Mossad false flag. But to claim that it didn’t happen, or that people did not die, is such a disconnection from reality experienced by hundreds of thousands of people on the ground, that a medical diagnosis for such delusion is needed.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 20, 2020 11:57 PM
Reply to  Fish & Chips

I’m not one who makes empty claims and I’d advise you to be such a person yourself, Fish & Chips. I make substantial cases for my claims using reason, logic and evidence and for some events/sub-events I put forward a $5,000 10-point Occam’s Razor challenge to provide a case for opposing claims … to which, so far, no one has responded.

This is my case for staged death and injury.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/3000-dead-and-6000-injured-a-lie.html

If you are sufficiently open-minded and interested in the truth to look at my case and if you have any points that refute my case or you have any points that favour real death and injury over staged please I am very happy to discuss further.

theguvnor
theguvnor
Sep 9, 2020 2:38 PM
Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 10, 2020 8:07 AM
Reply to  theguvnor

What you need to understand is how controlled opposition squats in the place of the genuine opposition and has it in a stranglehold.

Bill Cooper was a controlled opposition agent (oh sure he made all those “predictions” cos he was IN THE KNOW). He may well still be alive. So many agents “suicide” or seemingly die under “suspicious” circumstances but, in reality, are “sheepdipped”, given a new identity and shipped off somewhere.

The pivotal truth of 9/11 is that death and injury were staged and all the propaganda is either:
— Directed to the masses telling them it was 19 terrorists
— Directed to the truthers to keep them believing in death and injury and distracted from – one way or another – the pivotal truth of staged death and injury. Without that truth the truthers are hamstrung in getting out the truth because the general population will not believe the US government would have cold-bloodedly and callously let all those poor people die in the buildings and in that they are 100% correct where, ironically, truthers are not!

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Sep 9, 2020 2:17 PM

https://youtu.be/SbUsGYX0xe8

Was 9/11/2001 the result of a conspiracy?

“There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know.

There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don’t know.

But there are also unknown unknowns.

There are things we don’t know we don’t know.”

– Donald Rumsfeld –

Former secretary of defense
Spawned: July 9, 1932

“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false”

– William J. Casey –

CIA Director (1981)

“The more we do to you, the less you seem to believe we are doing it.”

Josef Mengele –

(March 16, 1911 – February 7, 1979)

TFS
TFS
Sep 9, 2020 12:37 PM

Conspiracy Theorists of the derogatory kind at the very least want the lazy and and criminally incompent bannished from public office and the military.

The Official Conpiracy Theorists want those same lazy and criminally incompetent people to retain their positions and even progress to higher office,

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 9, 2020 11:12 AM

The incredible vanishing Naudet brothers, the filmmakers who documented 911 by lucky chance.
Even though they are, by one account, responsible for the ‘greatest documentary ever filmed’ they have done little since. A series of interviews with spiritual leaders, In God’s Name, broadcast in 2007, and a similar-format series of interviews with all twelve living (current and former) intelligence directors, The Spymasters: CIA In the Crosshairs, in 2015.

That’s All Folks!
The incredible vanishing Naudet brothers
Ex-CIA Susan Lindauer says Richard Carl Fuisz said Naudet Brothers are “linked to the Dancing Israelis”… who by their own admission were in NY to “document the event”.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Sep 9, 2020 10:21 AM

The first Sept 11th.

By and for the same Masters of Money.

Still no justice. But the date has been hijacked for ever in history books.

Why have a ‘911’ article days before ?

Why also shut down my comment thread as O/T – it would have led on to directly address the WTC and WOT and the MENA plans and the SCO which forced the ancients into the great charade, after facing being losers in the great game – again.

And then, into how the MSM was fully party to the show and only the denizens of newsgroups and chat forums forced the facts to be examined – leading also to the the many Alt-media set ups by the DS as they scramble to put razor wire on the Wild West of the inter web.

No doubt considered to be O/T by the Numbers who control the Alt media villages.

Be seeing you
👌👌

TFS
TFS
Sep 9, 2020 9:42 AM

When families of those who died on 9/11 took monies for their loved ones deaths from the Government, did they have to sign something?

Has that particualar contract ever been placed into the Public Domain. I wonder if it contains some interesting items.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 9, 2020 7:56 AM

The Gelitin B-Thing

Why is Gelitin’s B-Thing troubling & mysterious

Gelitin is made up of four artists from Austria. The B-thing began in March 2000. This time, the group allegedly removed one of the windows on the 91st floor of the former World Trade Center complex in New York. After this, they installed a narrow balcony, and a helicopter was flying around the scene, capturing every moment which would later be documented in the book The B-thing.

The B-Thing, World Trade Center, New York, USA, 2000 — https://www.gelitin.net/projects/b-thing/

“And then the surgical intervention in the World Trade Center in New York City. Everything top secret and illegal of course. In days of conspiratorial work, somewhere on the 148th floor (and using building site refuse they had tediously smuggled into the building under their pullovers) they constructed a functioning load-bearing balcony. In a long complicated process they scratched putty from the tall heavy window, which couldn’t be opened. Then they extracted it using suction pads, shunted the balcony out, posed on it at 6 in the morning and had themselves photographed there from a helicopter for their nearest and dearest back home.

They kept very mum about it all, because if word had crept out about their coup they could have been fined very heavily for sabotaging a national treasure. Incidentally, as proof that they were there, there is now a piece of old chewing gum stuck to the outside of the building at a dizzy height.” (Tex Rubinowitz)

“Balcony Scene (Or Unseen) – Atop the World”, by Shaila K. Dewan, New York Times, August 18, 2001

911 – Gelitin B Thing /E-Team an inside job? https://youtu.be/0x0WIgEbRLk

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 9, 2020 8:51 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

THE ARTISTS — TL;DR
I left out the most important link: https://publicdelivery.org/gelitin-b-thing/

Look at the sketches and pictures pubished in 2000, by the Gelitin B-Thing project — remember these are performance artists (people try to dismiss them by pointing to the quality of their sketches). Some time before March 2000 they had removed one of the windows on the 91st floor and installed a load bearing balcony. One pretty sketch and another showing the metal supports for the balcony.

A helicopter was used by the Art Students … they had money for a helicopter just to take photographs of them standing on their secret balcony, which are published in the book, Gelitin – The B-Thing, March 2000.

The book also contains sketches.

One sketch clearly shows elevator shafts which give access to supporting columns of the WTC towers. If you read this thread you will know that the elevator shafts underwent full renovation from 1994 up until September 2001. The art students arrive towards the end of this period.

Comments on the sketch include, next to the balcony: “Trojan box with B inside slides open”. Next to an elevator shaft: “Enter 11:00 p.m.”. Each of the structural columns has a line drawn from it leading to a number that could be an identifier or a measurement.

Another sketch shows the four basement levels, with supposedly whimsical labels such as: the gum machine, hidden military action, diamonds, Prof Nietzsche’s Office and “deepest thought Mr Freud ever had”.

A third sketch features WTC 7. The artists work repeatedly links WTC 1 & 2 with 7. This sketch shows what looks like the WTC 1 “balcony” facing WTC 7 with lines representing lines of sight – or wires. The caption: “It could have been more intimate without the helicopter.”

Some have called the B-Thing a prank by Austrian students. Given what we know about the Israel students who were a) also in the WTC b) conducting espionage on secret federal buildings across the U.S. it seems logical to connect the Austrian students and the Israelis. At the very least they would have run into each other.

The art student scam is a Wikipedia cover story that claims it happens everywhere. No. Only Israeli art students manage to find unnamed federal high-security buildings and turn up selling artworks.

US arrests 200 young Israelis in spying investigation – Daily Telegraph, March 2002

Israeli art scam – WikiSpooks

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 9, 2020 9:27 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

On this sketch, one drawing of the WTC has an arrow to another showing the WTC in a state of centrifugal destruction.

The captions read: “WTC… very depressing building inside. We want to brake thru (sic) to the amazement from inside.”

“Amaze: To surprise or astonish greatly” and “fill the inside with the amazing sight”.

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Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 9, 2020 9:55 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Taking a closer look at this pre-March 2000 sketch, 91st-Floor-of-WTC-1, you can see it is more graphic art than a sketch.

At the top, the captions read: “Boring airplane food” — “satellite phone talk with mama”

The image of fluffy clouds, captioned “happiness” has a line of dashes leading down towards the WTC, indicating descent.

Then the words “last chance to open parachute”

Before continuing our analysis of this sketch, remember it was published in March 2000 by the Austrian performance artists Gelitin, who were active in the WTC along with a linked/separate group of Israeli art students.

Below the cloud and the reference to satellite phone call to mama and last chance to open parachute, there is an image of the Twin Towers.

The WTC Towers are annotated with lines leading to the words: Rapunzel, a reference to the prince who will bring Rapunzel a piece of silk that she will gradually weave into a ladder to escape from her prison tower.

Other captions: “most popular suicide height” — “flying naked in a dream” — and on the ground, “lost Frisbee”.

The sketch also shows the seven-level basement (correction from above) marked with supposedly whimsical locations: “gum machine” — “hidden military action,” — “diamonds” and “oil”.

Someone’s inner mind is on display in the sequence of captions: “buried hope” and “deepest thought Mr Freud ever had”. Followed lower down in the basement by “hole to escape shame” — “Prof Nietzsche’s Office” — and then, simply, “shame”.

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Simon
Simon
Sep 9, 2020 1:57 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

hmm so they could have prepared footage for the people jumping, standing in the windows that made people think there was people in the buildings.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 10, 2020 8:15 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

This is all propaganda to keep truthers believing in death and injury, moneycircus. All propaganda even if it may be true it’s PUSHED OUT TO US very deliberately. Don’t you think it’s a little obvious? Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel.

Yes, of course, Israel was involved but so were many other nations, my own country of Australia being one of them. It was no coincidence that Little Johnny Howard was in Washington with front row seats for the big event. And it was all a foregone conclusion that Australia would be right behind the US in the invasion of Iraq. Even his opposition counterpart, Kim Beazley, was right behind Little Johnny. We see this is the incredibly revealing film when you read between the lines, Leaky Boat, about the two fake refugee boats leading up to the 2001 Federal election that sandwiched the big terror event in September.

Simon
Simon
Sep 9, 2020 6:48 AM

Did a plane even hit the towers? It seems like nested tags like in programming. so what ever explanation there is some actors or info set up to lead you astray to believe one of the desired versions of the story. no planes but lots of deaths. planes but lots of deaths. how about just some buildings were demolished to make way for a new trade center? basically a none story turned into a major psyop. the actual deaths were in the wars justified off the back of it.

Simon
Simon
Sep 9, 2020 9:07 AM
Reply to  Simon

This was apparently deleted from youtube having had 800,000 views. Pretty compelling really. https://www.bitchute.com/video/WLa1yWUCCPR5/

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 9, 2020 5:33 AM

Covid911 as a continuation of the NWO 9/11 project.

See Lawrence Wright interviews with Brian Stelter (CNN) and Jane Mayer (chief Washington correspondent for The New Yorker).
https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/18/watch-bill-gates-and-the-population-control-grid/#comment-175006

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Wright
Lawrence Wright (born August 2, 1947) is an American writer and journalist, who is a staff writer for The New Yorker magazine, and fellow at the Center for Law and Security at the New York University School of Law. Wright is best known as the author of the 2006 nonfiction book The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11. Wright is also known for his work with documentarian Alex Gibney who directed film versions of Wright’s one man show My Trip to Al-Qaeda and his book Going Clear. His 2020 novel, The End of October, a thriller about a pandemic, was released in April 2020 during the COVID-19 pandemic.[1]

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 9, 2020 6:56 AM

It’s worth hearing the interview between the New Yorker’s Jane Mayer and Lawrence Wright about his predictive novel The End of October (2020) but they are tone deaf.

Why does fiction track events more closely than newspapers, they ask – and why, if novelists can chart developments, are politicians so unprepared? Politicians are blind because the media creates their reality. Instead they bash Trump.

If the media creates the reality, so does this novel. Mayer doesn’t ask which scientists Lawrence Wright used as sources – or if he was used. Given that his novel was predictive, did he speak to the people behind Event 201? After all scientists were involved in simulations, financed by billionaires and their foundations. They had their reputations, grants and careers in mind… does Wright just channel them… or does the novel interrogate them or the vested interests that shape their world? I guess the answer’s no (but I’m going to read the book).

From the interview my call is that Lawrence Wright is an agent of cultural programming. Especially when he starts warning us about our complacency and the second wave. He is a propagandist.

Mayer’s a believah, too… the World Health Organization is a victim, yes truly, it has no power, it is a supplicant…no mention of Bill Gates (by the 20 minute mark, I’ll finish it later).

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 9, 2020 4:33 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

I think the key point (~13:15) is where Wright says “9/11 was a lost moment”. It explains the apparent inconsistency of the controlled Left; why they were against the Iraq war but also against 9/11 truth. Also, why they are now pushing Covid911.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 10, 2020 8:39 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Lawrence Wright wrote the load of cobblers, The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda and the road to 9/11, which won the Pulitzer Prize. Need I say more?

The book’s title is a phrase from the Quran 4:78: “Wherever you are, death will find you, even in the looming tower”, which Osama bin Laden quoted three times in a videotaped speech seen as directed to the 9/11 hijackers.

Doncha love it?

My mother bought the book and suggests I read it. I’m like, “Are you insane? It’s complete propaganda.”

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 10, 2020 12:23 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I haven’t read it and don’t intend to. But to some extent it’s helpful to know which fantasy, “Through the Looking-Glass” world they’re living in, since it tends to impact on the actual world of everybody else.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 10, 2020 12:29 PM

Sure, but too lazy. It should be done but I ain’t gonna.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 9, 2020 5:31 PM

Covid911 – INSURGENCY
Joe M
Jun 28, 2020
https://www.bitchute.com/video/w64rFwcO2TSO/

Voxi Pop
Voxi Pop
Sep 9, 2020 1:50 AM

https://worldchangebrief.webnode.comPentagon Legal Expert Warns Of Treasonous Coup /
SanFran Uni Invites Terrorist Hijacker To Speak/
“Coup Porn” Fantasy Rundown/
Houston Starting Vaccine “Lottery”/
Crackdown: Nursing Home Covid Scandal/
Explainer: CIA Color Revolutions

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 9, 2020 4:34 AM
Reply to  Voxi Pop

I think the main point here is that this has now become a federal investigation and therefore cannot be whitewashed by the state governors.


FBI raids Pennsylvania nursing home linked to hundreds of coronavirus cases, dozens of deaths
New York Daily News
Sep 04, 2020
Federal and state authorities converged on a Pennsylvania nursing home on Thursday to investigate a massive coronavirus outbreak that has killed dozens of residents and staff at the facility and sickened hundreds more. Investigators from the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Health and Human Services, the state attorney general’s office and other agencies executed the search warrant at Brighton Rehabilitation and Wellness Center, located northeast of Pittsburgh, around 8 a.m.

More than 300 residents at the facility have tested positive for COVID-19 since the global pandemic first emerged, including 88 who have died, according to WPXI. The outbreak at Brighton is one of the worst in Pennsylvania, where more than 142,000 people have been infected with the illness statewide.

https://web.archive.org/web/20200909032401/https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-fbi-raids-pennsylvania-nursing-home-hundreds-cases-20200904-gnh4iv5pfvbc3f2mvwotgy4t5e-story.html

Voxi Pop
Voxi Pop
Sep 9, 2020 4:48 AM

they also got the records from a second home owned by the same people.

Agreed! it looks like finally law enforcement is finding ways to hold people accountable for Covid lies- this is blatantly putting a vulnerable population at risk- if they can prove the motive was too inflate Covid numbers by finding memos and documents stating such orders, if they can find documentation that a Governor ordered this to the home, and then arrest that Governor and get them to talk….may be able to prove the hoax part of this charade.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 9, 2020 6:00 PM
Reply to  Voxi Pop

I hadn’t heard the term “coup porn” before, but it’s highly appropriate.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/coup-porn-resistance-sees-military-removing-trump-from-office
Coup porn: Resistance sees military removing Trump from office
by Byron York, Chief Political Correspondent – Aug 13, 2020

With 80 days left before the presidential election, a new and dangerous rhetoric has emerged from some corners of the Resistance. A number of President Trump’s most implacable critics are fantasizing about deploying the U.S. military to remove him from the White House on Jan. 20, 2021, based on their assumption that a.) he will lose the election, and b.) he will refuse to leave office on his own.

Recently, two retired Army officers speculated about deploying a brigade from the 82nd Airborne Division to overpower Trump’s “private army” that they believe the defeated president will use to try to cling to office. Another retired officer, a former chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell, imagined the military in battle with armed Trump supporters, the result being that “all bets are off as to how much blood might flow.” In addition, a group of former government officials, political operatives, and journalists concocted a scenario in which Trump actually won reelection but Democrat Joe Biden refused to accept the result in hopes that the military would side with him against the president.

Voxi Pop
Voxi Pop
Sep 10, 2020 12:36 AM

yes – I try to keep readers abreast of the evolving language memes too… : ) “Mask Mouth” was another one. thanks for visiting.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Sep 9, 2020 1:35 AM

Sorry if multiple posts are bothersome, but millions of dead Iraqi, Libyan, Afghan, and Syrian souls cry out in the darkness…

The current plandemic is an execution – a murderer of civil freedoms. The collapse of currencies world wide is next on the short list.

9/11 Terror Trading – 15 Years Later – YouTube

There are many such exposes’ available.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Sep 9, 2020 1:01 AM

There can be no reasonable debate regarding the destruction and collapse of all three World Trade Center buildings, without examining the complete failure of several air defense command logistical centers prior to ground zero impacts.

AE911Truth.org needs to include more than just the structural physics of the building’s collapse in their investigative report. >

Excerpted from: The Case Against Ralph Eberhart, NORAD’s 9/11 Commander 

There were several NORAD exercises planned for 9/11: Vigilant Guardian and Vigilant Overview, both command post exercises (CPX), and Amalgam Virgo and Amalgam Warrior, which were field training (or FTX) exercises. All four of these exercises were CJCS approved and sponsored by CINCNORAD Eberhart.[38] Apollo Guardian was also running on 9/11. This was an exercise conducted by the U.S. Space Command, meaning Eberhart was in control of that too.

Please take the time to read this very informative article. >

The Case Against Ralph Eberhart, NORAD’s 9/11 Commander
http://digwithin.net/2013/01/12/eberhart/

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 9, 2020 7:14 AM

Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth purposely restrict their research and opinions to the structural issue. That’s their expertise. That’s why they’re cohesive. They began by appealing to professionals and industry insiders – using structural failure as a lever to open the door.

September 9, 2001 is the only time a steel-framed building has totally collapsed due to fire – and it happened three times on one day.

It’s still the best technique to open people’s minds. Most people, as you know, are frightened off by well-meaning but generalized statements that 911 was an ‘inside job’.

Paul Craig Roberts is right that the military stand down is the key. The stand down was so extensive, so coordinated that you’d have to be mad to belive it was just a coincidence. And as it was clearly coordinated, someone had to have done that. And that points to the perpetrators.

But the masses of people are hard wired to trust military and politicians. Telling them that the military deliberately stood down is the last thing they’ll believe! Most people believe TWDT and have no inkling of TPTB.

TWDT – they would’t do that
TPTB – the powers that be

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 9, 2020 9:00 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Speaking of “They would’t do that”, this is the sentiment that really lies behind “They couldn’t do that”. We all have basic beliefs that lie behind the actual words we say – and the “couldn’t” is what people first say, when the “wouldn’t” is their basic presupposition. They take for granted the friendly media presentation of benevolent rulers – or rather (since that has long since died) the presentation of incompetent rulers. It’s still comforting to think that the ones ruling over us are shambling buffoons. Certainly preferable to thinking them evil – and very competent – bastards.

But then when “They wouldn’t do that” starts to edge towards “You know, I think they would”, then that changes everything.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Sep 9, 2020 1:32 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

New mental disease: “PTD”: Post-traumatic denial. When seeing ain’t believing. 

– Anonymous –

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 10, 2020 8:43 AM

Paul, 9/11 was a psyop. The only physical things that happened for real were damage to and destruction of buildings. Planes were faked and death and injury were staged.

If you have a skerrick of evidence that anyone died or was injured on 9/11, please let me know what it is.

https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/3000-dead-and-6000-injured-a-lie.html

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Sep 10, 2020 2:04 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Hello Petra Liverani: Your opinion is either inspired by your trolling script, or you are a fool.

“There are two ways to be fooled.

One is to believe what isn’t true;

the other is to refuse to believe what is true.”

– Soren Kierkegaard –

(1813-1855)

JuraCalling
JuraCalling
Sep 9, 2020 12:12 AM

The countdown began three years earlier.

October 15, 1998: Future 9/11 Commission Executive Director Zelikow Says ‘Public Assumptions’ Shape Views of History.

In his opening remarks at a conference on contemporary political history organized by the Miller Center of Public Affairs at the University of Virginia, future 9/11 Commission Executive Director Philip Zelikow emphasizes that the public understanding of history is shaped by what are sometimes referred to as ‘public myths.’ 

“Understanding contemporary political history is extremely important and constantly alive in public discourse. ‘Contemporary’ is defined functionally by those critical people and events that go into forming the public’s presumptions about its immediate past. This idea of ‘public presumption’ is akin to William McNeill’s notion of ‘public myth’ but without the negative implication sometimes invoked by the word ‘myth….Such presumptions are 1-beliefs thought to be true (although not necessarily known to be true with certainty), and 2)-shared in common within the relevant political community. The sources for such presumptions are both personal (from direct experience) and vicarious (from books, movies, and myths).”

Zelikow says that public assumptions often grow out of “searing events” :

“particularly ‘searing’ or ‘molding’ events take on ‘transcendent’ importance and, therefore, retain their power even as the experiencing generation passes from the scene.”  

In a previous publication, Zelikow had written about how a catastrophic terrorism event could constitute a momentous, history-shaping milestone: 

 “An act of catastrophic terrorism that killed thousands or tens of thousands of people… would be a watershed event in America’s history.… Like Pearl Harbor, such an event would divide our past and future into a ‘before’ and ‘after’” (see November 1997-August 1998).

 Philip Zelikow

He sounds a nice chap doesn’t he.I see no mention of the loss of life that would constitute his dreamed- about catastrophe.I don’t think I was supposed to. I was supposed to imagine it.I think this speech was pretty much a promise. As we now know, ‘searing events’ can usher in huge changes that benefit the people who run the show while simultaneously claiming that the changes are to protect us all from the same fate we are grieving over.

So the preparations began. It was a big job.Likely to take about three years.

The rest, as they say is history.Or is it mystery.Because the how they managed to pull it off, then pull off an investigation that made the Warren Report look brilliant, the way the MSM has kept it’s face straight and kidded millions of Americans into the bargain is one of the biggest mysteries I can think of.

I once threw a tennis ball directly at George Foreman’s head.Not only did he fall to the ground, he was dead and every bone in his body was crushed to powder and all his major organs had exploded.You don’t believe me ? Why ever not- it’s physics. Even more surprising was that Joe Frazier was stood next to him and it happened to him a a few hours later and i didn’t even throw anything at him.

After a long, long and disrespectful amount of time, Bush and Co decided to organise a 9 / 11 commission to investigate the farce that had murdered thousands of American Citizens as they sat at their desks.It cost peanuts.But they decided upon on one man among many who would head up the investigation and the report ;. Philip Zelikow. You couldn’t make this up. Well they could.

One of the cleverest distractions has been the focus on the towers because that’s where life was lost.And where things crashed.But what of building 7.Just for a moment, imagine the towers never existed.There’s a 47 storey building that collapsed into it’s own socks. Only a highly skilled team of demolition experts could rig a building up so well and it would have taken months.Nobody saw them ? One fire about 6 floors up persuaded the powers that be to ‘pull it” ( a demolition term for bringing it down).

If the only question is whether it was genuine terrorism ( ie, an outside enemy) or an inside job( ie state sponsored terrorism committed against it’s own people) then concentrate on building 7.

Remeber Zelikow’s dream :

 “An act of catastrophic terrorism that killed thousands or tens of thousands of people… would be a watershed event in America’s history.… Like Pearl Harbor, such an event would divide our past and future into a ‘before’ and ‘after’” 

Well, there’s your motive screaming from the page..

The after turned out to be ‘the war on terror‘ which essentially meant another rape and pillage holiday where all the oil lives.Then later another one where all the heroin and lithium lives.But it also allowed them to oppress the people with insane surveillance measures and remove their freedoms and rights to privacy.They could live in your phone, street and computer.If you complained you were a ‘9 / 11 denier’ or ‘un-patriotic’.Your mental health could legitimately be questioned.All because Zelikow and his 20 plus Zionist buddies found that it was Bin Laden from a cave somewhere.Imagine that. One of George Bush’ business partners..

Since then we’ve had to endure the insanity of false flags galore as ‘radicals’ suddenly turn up to run into crowds with knives even though they’re terrorists with explosives at their disposal.But, if they get shot in the head after a stand off it becomes a mini ‘searing event’ for us to crank the fear back up.Plus it silences them.

The old cliche of ‘follow the money’ is useful when investigating this farce.A few people became immensely rich through the ‘disaster’. Not many more than Donald Rumsfeld who had abandoned his Monsanto dealings (which brought him 12 million profit) in the same year Zelikow made his speech( 1998).Bush, Kissinger, Rumsfeld . All that’s missing are their German uniforms..
.
I’d always recommend a quick bit of research on Susan Lindauer and 9 / 11. Very telling story.

As for the how it was done. It’s obvious from most of the better footage and accounts that an awful lot of jolts and bangs and explosions occurred in the basements of the buildings.That rules out all involvement of planes and rules in all involvement of planted explosives facilitated by people who had access.Insiders in other words.

The method was nuclear demolition.

Dimitri Khalezov gave a detailed interview with detailed explanations years ago.The video is annoyingly sliced into something like 26 -10 minute segments.But that’s where the truth lies.So it’s worth the annoyance.

Here’s a segment..

Now..I must rush. I’m dealing with the same people’s ‘searing event’ today. The digital 9 / 11. Terrorism in germs and terrorism in syringes and terrorism in chips.I’m running away before they find out I’m a covid denier.They’ll never make me surrender to their findings of the Covid Commission and whatever ‘act’ they bring after..

Fact Checker
Fact Checker
Sep 9, 2020 1:03 AM
Reply to  JuraCalling

Jura, you buried the most hilarious part in the very middle, with your tale of your brave take-down of two of boxing’s best. You’re modest to a fault.

JuraCalling
JuraCalling
Sep 9, 2020 1:29 AM
Reply to  Fact Checker

( which is why i never brag about the day i knocked Mike Tyson out for looking at my beer )

John Goss
John Goss
Sep 8, 2020 10:03 PM

My blog has a whole category on 9/11. By trade I am a toolmaker. I conducted some very basic experiments using empty beer-cans. You didn’t think I’d use full ones did you? Unlike the twin towers there is no central column in a beer can. Yet they are remarkably strong.

https://johnplatinumgoss.com/category/911/

My experiments are not as sophisticated as those of Jonathan Cole. By all means read my 9/11 experiments but this Cole video I suggest is even more conclusive evidence that the twin towers could not have fallen without being compromised at the base. Such an act defies Newtonian physics.

TFS
TFS
Sep 9, 2020 9:32 AM
Reply to  John Goss

John.

The top down collapse has been mentioned in The Smithsonians animation of the collapse of the twin towers. Pictures are worth a thousand words, so A&E I believe amended one of their presentations to include a picture which dispels top down collapse.

The top of WTC 2 was falling off to the side.

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Chris Weisdorf
Chris Weisdorf
Sep 8, 2020 9:56 PM

Two planes destroyed three buildings.

The end.

Simon
Simon
Sep 8, 2020 11:37 PM
Reply to  Chris Weisdorf

Officially there were no planes.

JuraCalling
JuraCalling
Sep 9, 2020 2:24 PM
Reply to  Simon

What do you mean by ‘officially’ ?

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 9, 2020 2:17 PM
Reply to  Chris Weisdorf

Perhaps molten aluminum fuselage combined with water, created further explosions. (I expect to be denounced by the pitchfork crowd as a CIA shill or lizard person for posting this link:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/09/110921074747.htm

Simon
Simon
Sep 8, 2020 9:39 PM

The buildings were apparently empty most of their life span. There might not have even been floors. All they needed to do was to blow out the central column which is basically what was holding it up. There is video of people going up to the top. There was a viewing deck and the lift didn’t stop on the way up. There was a video of tourists getting photographed/ filmed by the window from a helicopter.

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Sep 9, 2020 12:06 AM
Reply to  Simon

No offence but that is simply ridiculous

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Sep 8, 2020 8:04 PM

Eighty one steel columns And two whole seconds FREEFALL…

MORE evidence of how unscientific and corrupted governments are, with their MSM,
NO-BODY should need…

And until this hugest Hollywood pisstake is resolved publicly, with each and every MSM
Admitting their culpability, any form of dumbed down pseudo-science, like Corporate Video
2019, is wasting your time and invalidating every single evidence of scientific evolution… daily.
Let’s stick to what we KNOW and CAN PROVE…
After four years computer modelling at Fairbanks Uni. Alaska…

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 8, 2020 8:59 PM
Reply to  Tim Jenkins

Quite an interesting thought, exactly what would happen if each and every one of the MSM admitted their culpability… I wonder if a single head would roll…
We are so considerate to the worst specimens of our race, yet with regard to the best of them we sit by and watch them being persecuted, while we are even politically correct to exactly those who twist, distort and abuse political correctness for their own narcissistic purposes…

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Sep 8, 2020 10:04 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Exactly this, Wardropper. Each news outlet that furthers the LIE, in denial of ALL and ANY science, should be immediately threatened with suspension and ultimately closure, on the grounds that they must be still complicit in murder most foul, should they decline.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Sep 8, 2020 10:08 PM
Reply to  Tim Jenkins

Especially the half-baked british broadcasting corporation !
The Psychic Sidekick…

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 8, 2020 9:48 PM
Reply to  Tim Jenkins

As the architects and engineers have proven beyond a shadow of doubt, the only way the building could have come down like that would be if all 81 steel columns simultaneously ceased to exist. Now, how could that possibly happen? Only one way…

Ken
Ken
Sep 8, 2020 7:29 PM

Paul Craig Roberts sums it up very well here, without having to delve into any of the particulars that those in the truth movement like to argue over so much.

“In order to understand the improbability of the government’s explanation of 9/11, it is not necessary to know anything about what force or forces brought down the three World Trade Center buildings, what hit the Pentagon or caused the explosion, the flying skills or lack thereof of the alleged hijackers, whether the airliner crashed in Pennsylvania or was shot down, whether cell phone calls made at the altitudes could be received, or any other debated aspect of the controversy.

You only have to know two things.

One is that according to the official story, a handful of Arabs, mainly Saudi Arabians, operating independently of any government and competent intelligence service, men without James Bond and V for Vendetta capabilities, outwitted not only the CIA, FBI, and National Security Agency, but all 16 US intelligence agencies, along with all security agencies of America’s NATO allies and Israel’s Mossad. Not only did the entire intelligence forces of the Western world fail, but on the morning of the attack the entire apparatus of the National Security State simultaneously failed. Airport security failed four times in one hour. NORAD failed. Air Traffic Control failed. The US Air Force failed. The National Security Council failed. Dick Cheney failed. Absolutely nothing worked. The world’s only superpower was helpless at the humiliating mercy of a few undistinguished Arabs.

It is hard to image a more far-fetched story–except for the second thing you need to know: The humiliating failure of US National Security did not result in immediate demands from the President of the United States, from Congress, from the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and from the media for an investigation of how such improbable total failure could have occurred. No one was held accountable for the greatest failure of national security in world history. Instead, the White House dragged its feet for a year resisting any investigation until the persistent demands from 9/11 families for accountability forced President George W. Bush to appoint a political commission, devoid of any experts, to hold a pretend investigation.”

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 8, 2020 9:51 PM
Reply to  Ken

Splendid man, that Roberts.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Sep 8, 2020 6:49 PM

Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth sponsored a multi-year study by the U of Alaska Fairbanks regarding what dropped WTC7 into its own footprint. The WTC7 demolition was not even mentioned by the “Commission” report though a ridiculous and opaque computer modeling was attempted by NIST in Boulder CO years after the fact. The final U of A report was issued a couple of months ago and unfortunately saw little attention due to the scamdemic. The report is totally data transparent and concluded well beyond any reasonable doubt that WTC7 was dropped by a traditional and expertly executed controlled demolition which cut all its supporting beams simultaneously. This would have taken weeks to install in preparation. While from one perspective, the 9/11 false flag was small potatoes compared to the current scamdemic (though not to Afghanis and Iraqis), a techno-fascist takeover of the entire planet by the 0.00001%, the truth behind it is certainly a prime possible educational experience. Furthermore, the public frontmen for the operation, Boy Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Wolfowitz are still alive and available for mass murder charges, as are a multitude of Israeli politicians and intelligence agents.

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
Sep 8, 2020 6:44 PM

Also, by way of review, similarities in “investigation” 9/11 and JFK:

From Corbett on 9/11 (video from 2016)

https://www.corbettreport.com/911suspects/

excerpt:

Philip D. Zelikow as executive direction of the investigations of 9/11

The most remarkable example of Zelikow’s dictatorial control came in March 2003, just three months into the commission’s 16-month investigation began. It was at that time, before the commission had even convened a single hearing, that Zelikow, along with long-time associate and commission consultant Ernest May, co-wrote a complete outline of the final report.

DAVID RAY GRIFFIN: Before the staff even had its first meeting, Zelikow had written, along with his former professor, Ernest May, a detailed outline of the commission’s report, complete, as Shenon put it, with chapter headings, sub-headings, and sub-sub-headings. When Kean and Hamilton were later shown this outline they worried that it would be seen as evidence that the report’s outcome had been predetermined, so the three of them decided to keep it a secret from the rest of the staff.

When the staff did finally learn about this outline a year later they were alarmed. Some of them circulated a parody entitled ‘The Warren Commission Report: Preemptive Outline.’ One of its chapter headings read: ‘Single Bullet: We Haven’t Seen the Evidence Yet, But Really, We’re Sure.’ The implication was that the crucial chapter in the Zelikow-May outline could have been ‘Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda: We Haven’t Seen the Evidence Yet, But Really, We’re Sure.’

(Source: The Toronto Hearings on 9/11 Uncut – David Ray Griffin – Day 1)

ame
ame
Sep 8, 2020 6:20 PM

911 is nothing compared to this crock of bullshit bs19 listen to Hancock u.k and there is many like him around the world doing the same bullshit in why Bolton has been Melbourne’d

https://twitter.com/i/status/1303351135005061121

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 8, 2020 5:37 PM

Not interested in 9/11 conspiracy theories, but nothing would surprise me.

My only question… Why was the US Air Force not immediately scrambled into action after the first plane hit the twin towers?

Captain Spock
Captain Spock
Sep 8, 2020 5:44 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

I reckon all of their focus was on protecting the Pentagon.

TFS
TFS
Sep 8, 2020 7:02 PM
Reply to  Captain Spock

And how did they do that?

Sounds to me more like, the wargames were used as a distraction to occupy the minor response that did take to the air.

Ort
Ort
Sep 8, 2020 9:32 PM
Reply to  Captain Spock

Yeah, ya gotta remember that the USAF only had maybe five, six planes total in good working order, so they had to prioritize their response. 

Too bad that when they were all diverted to the Pentagon, they apparently took the scenic route.

Ken
Ken
Sep 8, 2020 7:16 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

“Eyes Open”? More likely tightly clamped shut. Next to this plandemic, 9/11 is the watershed event of the century so far.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Sep 8, 2020 8:37 PM
Reply to  Ken

Agreed, but, before i read your comment, i instinctively unloaded on
Eyes wide shut, because of ‘Gaslighting’… so, it appears 🙂

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Sep 8, 2020 8:19 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

Not fucking interested? In which case you are either trolling or the dumbest legal and
Scientific cunt ever… there, i said it, just exactly what i was thinking when i read your
Dumb cunt comment, costing MORE LIVES!

Go fuck yourself, then wake up…

Do let me know when you can explain, scientifically
EIGHTY ONE STEEL COLUMNS and TWO WHOLE SECONDS FREEFALL
from a fire… you are now officially in my firing line, with your eyes wide shut.
And, in your wholly ignorant position, i’d shut the fuck up and listen to people
who actually understand science and know from personal experience,
What actually happened and the contents of WTC7, specifically!
Were i you…

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 8, 2020 10:30 PM
Reply to  Tim Jenkins

You put words in my mouth. 9/11 was an unprecedented crime against humanity. I would not be surprised either way – if the US Gov had planned the event – or not.

I’m not ‘interested’ in investing years and years of research on the endless evidence and counter evidence. It’s a black hole of time. I’m not just going to accept someone else’s narrative without investigating myself.

Two massive airliners, loaded with airline fuel crashed into structures whose strength was derived from the outside shell. That’s what I remember reading at the time, about the original architect.

Your abuse is uncalled for.

THX-1143
THX-1143
Sep 9, 2020 1:19 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

structures whose strength was derived from the outside shell

well, that’s a lie, right there. only 40% of the weight of the WTC towers was supported by the perimeter columns; the much larger core columns supported 60% of the weight.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/docs/cons/site1099.jpg

Your abuse is uncalled for.

the persona above is not only a disinfo troll, but a self-admitted deep-state operative. everything it says should be understood on that basis.

Tim, having worked parallel with CIA Agents & Navy seals clearly knows what he’s talking about

https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/09/wikipedia-slashes-spanish-flu-death-rate/#comment-126172

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 8, 2020 10:05 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

You’ve done your reputation here a great deal of harm by that first statement.
Years of research by top experts has gone into the architects’ and engineers’ 911 truth initiative, and you actually have no right to imply that their work comes anywhere near being a mere “theory”. You don’t get better information than that which they have provided, and none of it should surprise you by now, assuming you really do keep your eyes open…
A&E don’t even have a political agenda, but the impetus for their research has been the simple notion that if anybody builds any more high steel-framed buildings like these, the reputation of their profession as architects and engineers absolutely depends upon revealing the nonsense crammed into the official narrative. Otherwise, how could you guarantee the buildings’ integrity? And who would be held responsible if such buildings were to “collapse” again in the future? – (Bearing in mind that NO steel-framed building has EVER collapsed into dust before due to fire…)
Those guys simply HAD to stand up and initiate their own unbiased research. To do anything less would have been grossly unprofessional.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 8, 2020 10:15 PM
Reply to  wardropper

I also said ‘nothing would surprise me’.

I am allowed my opinion, which in this case is not formed. 9/11 is an endless can of worms, which is why I won’t go there.

I don’t care about my ‘reputation’ when fascism real is marching towards us.

Ken
Ken
Sep 9, 2020 2:23 AM
Reply to  Eyes Open

Watch carefully video footage of the collapse of the three towers and you can put away your can of worms and be satisfied it was an inside job. There’s only one way buildings like that can collapse like that, and I very much doubt some outside Muslim terrorist group had the access for the setup. Capiche?

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 9, 2020 8:30 AM
Reply to  Ken

The world is under unprecedented fascist attack, under the guise of a health crisis and you want people to focus their energies on three towers.

THX-1143
THX-1143
Sep 9, 2020 1:26 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

to focus their energies on three towers

at the time, that was also an unprecedented fascist attack.

if more people had started paying attention at that point, and responded appropriately, we wouldn’t have been subjected to the COVID-1984 hoax.

kevin
kevin
Sep 9, 2020 3:30 AM
Reply to  Eyes Open

What if someone takes this attitude with Covid and decides it’s a can of worms and not worth “going there”? In fact, that is what most people are doing now just as they did with 9/11. This attitude is precisely why fascism is marching towards us.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 9, 2020 8:27 AM
Reply to  kevin

Some might.

I’m not interested in investing my time and energy in learning about the Skripal Affair either, which is a maze that goes on and on and on.

Covid is a war against humanity. Which issue should we prioritise?

THX-1143
THX-1143
Sep 9, 2020 1:30 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

Covid is a war against humanity.

so was the 9/11 Terror War. it’s too bad more people didn’t object to that.

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 9, 2020 3:46 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

Yes, I noticed that you said that.
But to those who have researched Sept11 seriously, it is not an endless can of worms at all. The facts are easily grasped. What is difficult is getting “the authorities” to grasp them, because they have colossal vested interests in NOT grasping them.
That, to my mind, does not constitute a reason for giving up. On the contrary, Sept11 is a crucial part of the fascism which you say yourself is marching towards us.

Researcher
Researcher
Sep 8, 2020 10:56 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

They had a stand down order from the drills.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 9, 2020 1:41 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

Apparently, if I’d said: ‘two planes destroyed three buildings’ instead – my comment would not have been attacked.

And if I’d said: ‘the towers had no floors in them’ or ‘the planes were CGI’ I might have been up voted.

I shall avoid 9/11-ville in future.

Howard
Howard
Sep 8, 2020 5:14 PM

What’s amazing to me is that some people still cling to the utter nonsense that “there’s no way all the people who would have to be involved could keep from telling someone!”

That argument falls as flat as the Flat Earth argument for one simple reason: I can show you on a map a place where over 300 million people knew all along what happened but said nothing. That would be the United States of America.

The good folks of America would never question 9/11 any more than they would ever question dropping the Atom Bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. To do so would be to come face to face with the inescapable fact that their cherished country – which can do no wrong in their eyes – is actually the most evil entity ever to exist.

Which, in turn, makes them no longer the greatest altruists who ever lived but the greatest exploiters in human history. And that’s a big huge No-No. So you’ll never hear a peep out of them.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 8, 2020 5:58 PM
Reply to  Howard

In a word, schooling.
We no longer educate. We school young people to swim like in the same direction. We know they’re not taught to think. It’s worse than that. They are taught not to think.

Many examinations are multiple choice. If you have limited knowledge, multiple choice means you will try to eliminate what sounds most ridiculous. If you don’t know the answer, you try to dismiss what (to your limited outlook) seems wrong.

The biggest problem an informed, awake person has, is that people tend to reject what they don’t know. Even if they are ignorant. Especially if they are ignorant. “I don’t know that so it must be false.”

That is the kind of thinking created by multiple choice!

Worse than that, people are infantilized. They don’t want Big Papa Government to tell them what to think. It’s worse than that. They want Papa Government to do the thinking for them.

So you get TV shows like Myth Busters that exists to demean people for asking questions. They bounce around the screen, influencers whooping and congratulating themselves for their brave conformity.

To paraphrase Tom Whyman, in Beware of cupcake fascism (2014)

A child is equipped to confront that world as it is, and the child will do that as an individual. The child is open to possibilities, with his ever-sticky fingers and food on his face, he explores the world oblivious to what others think of him. Even when that does’t seem to be in his best interests.

“The infantilized adult, by contrast, is neurotically trying to remain a child and thus must shut down possibilities. It cannot engage with the world characterised by the joy of possibility. In order to live as a child, the world that the infantilised adult engages with must always remain “safe” and coldly uniform: the cupcake as opposed to the messy and collapsing sponge cake.”

https://www.full-stop.net/2014/04/03/blog/tom-whyman/what-is-cupcake-fascism/

Howard
Howard
Sep 9, 2020 4:13 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

In our younger, more carefree days we would advise people to “Turn Off Your TV!” Now we must update our warning to “Put Away Your Smart Phone!” At least in those days of yesteryear, people barely watched their TV anyway; they just had it on as a backdrop. But they are absolutely glued to their Phone.

I’m always reminded of an episode of “Star Trek Next Generation,” where an innocuous looking game came aboard the Enterprise and addicted everyone except Data and the Will Wheaton character (Wesley Crusher). That’s what the Smart Phone appears to be.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Sep 8, 2020 5:10 PM

9/11/2001 challenged my attitude about many things. I had no television at the time, but a friend had called by phone and was detailing live televised events. I “knew” it was an inside job a half hour before the first building came down. My friend (of course) thought I was crazy…
:
First question: Why did America’s air defense command systems fail to scramble when multiple civilian aircraft had been hijacked?

Here are two interesting reasons I was correct: >
Evidence for Informed Trading on the Attacks of September 11
Kevin Ryan | Nov 18, 2010
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/11/18/evidence-for-informed-trading-on-the-attacks-of-september-11/

9/11 Conspiracy Solved: Names, Connections, & Details Exposed!
Published on Oct 31, 2012

Sleep well my pretties…

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 8, 2020 6:41 PM

Thanks, Paul. That is the best video for those (everyone here, I hope) who is already familiar with the mechanics of 911. This explores the motive.

There are excellent links in the notes under the video https://youtu.be/n_fp5kaVYhk

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 10, 2020 6:16 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

I’ve had two articles published in Off-Guardian (https://off-guardian.org/tag/petra-liverani/) and both of them cite as evidence for motive the Conspiracy Solved! video that Paul has posted a link to. It had me totally sucked in too. A few months after the second article was published, however, I woke up to the pivotal truth of 9/11 and now I regard those two articles as completely obsolete. Unfortunately, OffG does not recognise the pivotal truth of 9/11 and have no interest in publishing my analyses of this event that supersede those two.

In mid 2018, I woke up to the fact that 9/11 is a psyop in the real sense of the word – not a false flag and not an inside job per se but a psyop. It is now more than two years later and I’ve made very little headway on OffG in getting that truth across. With my friends and family who already recognised 9/11 I’ve only had resistance from one friend and many people I meet only briefly who recognise 9/11 as an inside job are surprised when I say that death and injury were staged but do not resist that truth in the way OffGers do (apart from commenter Simon – thank God for Simon). They’re more like, “Really? Wow!”

9/11 is a psyop, it is a PSYOP, it is a P-S-Y-O-P, it is a p-s-y-o-p, it is a p-y-s-o-p, it is a P-O-S-Y-P, it is a PSSSSSSSSSSYYYYYYYYYYYYYOOOOOOOOOPPPPPP, it is a psyyyyyyyyyyyyyyooooooooooop, it is a PpSsYyOoPp, it is a pPsSyYoOpP.

9/11 is a psyop, folks.

A psyop.

In psyops they don’t do things they don’t want for real. They only do things they want for real and they psyop the rest. It is part of their rules and they ENJOY FOOLING US. Do people not get that? They enjoy fooling us. They enjoy pushing our buttons, they enjoy making us feel sad for people who’ve allegedly died and their loved ones.

The power elite dupe us mercilessly. Mercilessly.

They dupe those who swallow every word and they dupe those who don’t.

They have all our numbers. All our profiles, they know how to press THE BUTTONS OF ALL OF US, not just those who swallow everything. If you don’t get that you will never understand them. The power elite don’t keep power simply targeting the masses. No way.

I’ve published the following on my website on 9/11:
— Main page – explains the propaganda strategy
— Four faked plane crashes
— Collapse of WTC-7
— 3,000 dead and 6,000 injured a lie
— Twin Towers: The Magic Dust
— Why collapse WTC-7 on 9/11 by perfect implosion … when they didn’t have to?
— Gerard Holmgren, Australian 9/11 pioneering researcher
— 9/11: False flag or psyop?
— 9/11: Controlled demolition as propaganda – Parts 1 and 2
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/11.html

If anyone has a skerrick of evidence that anyone died or was injured on 9/11 please let me know what it is … and if you don’t have one, please ruthlessly question yourself as to why you believe one important claim is true in a sea of lies.

usandthem
usandthem
Sep 8, 2020 4:45 PM

Bashing China in an article about 9/11???

The standard of debate here is sinking to a historic low, thanks to the propagandists with unlimited budgets from the US/UK/Australia.

Brian Sides
Brian Sides
Sep 8, 2020 4:19 PM

I was watching the news on 9/11 it is amazing how many times the news channels repeated the explosions as the planes hit the towers. I knew it was a false flag as soon as the towers exploded and turned to dust collapsing through the path of greatest resistance.
The best book I have read on 9/11 is Welcome to Terrorland: Mohamed Atta and the 9-11 Cover-Up in Florida by Daniel Hopsicker 
But maybe I am wrong maybe it is all as we are told and just maybe sticky tape got us to the moon.comment image

Koba
Koba
Sep 8, 2020 4:59 PM
Reply to  Brian Sides

Terrorland is an underrated documentary and easily proves that the alleged hijackers were not who or what they appear to be

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
Sep 8, 2020 5:15 PM
Reply to  Brian Sides

Unfortunately, Hopsicker insisted (as of the international conference on 9/11, San Francisco, later March 2004) that the planes brought down the towers and he wasn’t buying any of that “demolition bu…..it.” This was on a day when Jim Hoffman of 9/11 Research (whatever you think of him otherwise) did a presentation about the WTC, i don’t see how anyone there could be unconvinced of demolition after seeing that.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Sep 8, 2020 4:07 PM

Addendum to previous post—

If you can spare an hour please listen to this interview:

http://gunsandbutter.org/blog/2019/04/07/fbi-sued-for-failure-to-provide-911-evidence-to-congress

Thom
Thom
Sep 8, 2020 3:09 PM

When you remember that the Bin Laden family were actually long-time business associates of the Bush family and that George H W Bush was meeting one of the Bin Ladens at the time of 9/11, then it all begins to make sense. I don’t buy the idea that the Bushes personally knew about 9/11 before the event – more likely they were ‘set up’ by very powerful people who did. Interestingly this is very similar to how LBJ and George H W Bush were left embarrassingly close to the JFK assassination.

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Sep 8, 2020 6:27 PM
Reply to  Thom

@Thom: “I don’t buy the idea that the Bushes personally knew about 9/11 before the event – more likely they were ‘set up’ by very powerful people”

They are very powerful people themselves. Watch 911 in a nutshell; begins with a picture of GHW Bush:

https://youtu.be/n_fp5kaVYhk

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Sep 8, 2020 8:15 PM
Reply to  Thom

I think it probable that Boy Bush was not prewarned about the “attack,” due to his impaired emotional and cognitive abilities. That he was moved a 1000 miles out of Washington to an elementary school to read “My Pet Goat” to coincide with the event allowing Cheney to take over the command center under the White House and insure that the cruise missile approaching the Pentagon was not shot down was critical to the agenda. But that Poppy Bush was not in full knowledge of the false flag operation is beyond ridiculous.

Joopy
Joopy
Sep 8, 2020 3:07 PM

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

Communists. Drugs. Terrorists. Viruses.

It’s an astonishingly simple, and yet depressingly effective, strategy.

What prevents so many people from seeing the obvious manipulations is a lack of historical awareness, class consciousness, and a willingness to entertain the thought that the institutions and leaders they have been taught to trust are capable of such deception, criminality, and depravity.

I won’t go through the long list on here again, because most everyone in this comment section is already aware of what the ruling classes have done over the centuries to increase their wealth and expand their control over society.

I will just say that the people who rule us are evil and we all need to do everything in our power to make everyone we possibly can – friends, family, coworkers, readers, followers, etc. – as aware of that as we are and conscious of the true enemy and threat to our health, safety, and future, and therefor our collective class and human interest in coming together to stop the psychopaths, parasites, and pedophiles from getting away with this Corona Con or any other crimes, holding them accountable for what they’ve done, and taking back control over our bodies, lives, families, communities, economy, workplaces, and society as a whole.

In short, 9/11 and the corona con were/are not attacks by crazed Muslims or an invisible microscopic enemy, but acts of class war committed by our own rulers, who, yes, conspired to murder and maim and traumatize and impoverish and enslave their own populations.

I feel that more people are being pushed over the edge and are beginning to wake up to what’s going on. Let’s all help as many as we can in that process of disillusionment and radicalization. We need as much help as we can get if we’re going to win this war to end all wars – either in socialism or extinction.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 8, 2020 1:41 PM

Get inside the heads of the perpetrators. The perpetual traitors.

The Donald Rumsfeld or Dick Cheney. The entitled daughter Lynne Cheney who lectures from the halls of government. We detect a stiffness, a pretension…. is it power or the trappings of power. Passive aggression: they use their position of authority as a shield.

What’s interesting is their mimicry of power, while those closer to the font of power display signs that they know much more and yet somehow fear it.

We really don’t want to get inside some heads. Bush grandfather, father and son. First we notice the smirk. Always that smirk, half laughing at you, half grimacing with the pain of some inner torment. Quite different from the poker face of Rumsfeld and Cheney. Demonic but strangely submissive. The Bush smirk evokes mischief but not fun, satisfaction in survival under Faustian duress. The wink acknowledging some shared perversion.

Larry Silverstein discusses how he missed his regular breakfast in the top restaurant of the WTC. You can almost see him adjusting his napkin. He smacks his lips with satisfaction when he tells how he collected not one insurance payout but two. Matter of fact, dollars and cents. He’s a statistics guy, as Hannah Arendt wrote of Adolf Eichmann when she coined the phrase the banality of evil. It’s just business.

Sivaraj Shyam-Sunder, author of the NIST report into the collapse of the buildings. He refused to investigate if explosions could have caused the collapses on the logic that there weren’t any. He takes orders, wipes his nose and gets on with the grunt work, writing reports to order. He is an indentured labourer, vulnerable, lacking in his eyes even the steely fatalism of a man who knows he is a slave.

Who guides us to understand these characters. Is it Shakespeare or Gore Vidal? We should know them better.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 8, 2020 2:03 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

The hated Neo-cons, John Brennan’s CIA, the Bush-era warmongers, the Republican establishment, the military-industrial complex and the MSM are all supporting Democrat ‘slow’ Joe Biden for the Presidency in November as their perfect puppet. He’s virtually senile, making their control of him that much easier. I hope anti-Trump posters at OG realise who is their great ally against the DC they rightly hate. Trump thinks in a very similar fashion.

https://www.thecanary.co/global/world-analysis/2020/07/11/bush-era-neocons-put-their-weight-behind-biden-and-that-can-mean-only-one-thing/

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/sperry-john-brennan-running-secret-cia-task-force-langley-investigate-trump-fbi-probe-launched-july-2016/

Junter
Junter
Sep 8, 2020 2:45 PM

You hate all of that, yet you still push other CIA propaganda. One dump of truth, two dumps of propaganda.

punter
punter
Sep 8, 2020 2:46 PM

Junter
Sep 8, 2020 2:45 PM
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Reply to  I_left_the_left

You hate all of that, yet you still push other CIA propaganda. One dump of truth, two dumps of propaganda.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Sep 8, 2020 3:19 PM
Reply to  punter

That’s how “trolling” works.

Koba
Koba
Sep 8, 2020 5:05 PM

The only reason the powers that shouldn’t be have it in for trump is literally because he’s a braggadocio idiot saying in public what the rest say In Private like for example taking Iraq’s oil. Funny how everyone who hated him loved him for a day or two when he dropped bombs on Syria and Afghanistan and they never once mentioned his name during all the coup attempts across the world.

Fact Checker
Fact Checker
Sep 8, 2020 5:42 PM
Reply to  Koba

Saying that “the powers that shouldn’t be have it in for trump” is like saying Vince McMahon is truly sickened by Macho Man Randy Savage’s dirty tricks, and is doing everything in his power to get him and his dastardly moves in check, once and for all!

Trump is a tailor-made heel in a cartoonish kayfabe, being orchestrated for the benefit and to the delight of the denizens of TeeVeeLand.

Fact Checker
Fact Checker
Sep 8, 2020 5:36 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Always that smirk, half laughing at you, half grimacing with the pain of some inner torment. Quite different from the poker face of Rumsfeld and Cheney. Demonic but strangely submissive. The Bush smirk evokes mischief but not fun, satisfaction in survival under Faustian duress. The wink acknowledging some shared perversion.

Dynamite prose stylings, here.

This is precisely the vibe I get from Billy Bloodbath Gates too. Except Billy looks a little closer to “cracking” than a Bush ever did. Billy is feigning smugness: for now he can pretend he is working with eugenicist fellow-travelers to a common purpose, but he winces inwardly at the knowledge of the blackmail that is being held over his head. (At first it was just penny-ante Epstein-Island debauchery, but now it is the active steps he has taken toward outright democide.)

At some level, he knows he is being positioned as a Fall Guy, and he hopes he can navigate the Nights-of-Long-Knives ahead, but at the same time he knows he is walking a primrose path not truly of his design.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 8, 2020 7:22 PM
Reply to  Fact Checker

Great insights, well put. I like the sense of motion with Billy Gates, he is definitely on a path, being frogmarched, and you can tell it in his faltering voice, the uncertainty in his reedy, frog-like croak.

If we could take the measure of these people, instead of being diverted into superficial political shots, I think we could be on to something.

One thing that unnerves the powerful is to publicly hold up a mirror to them.

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Sep 8, 2020 6:36 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

@Moneycircus: “Who guides us to understand these characters.”

Dante. Lower Inferno, the Hell of Perverted Intelligence. Approached by descent on a bat winged monster “with the face of an honest man and a terrible sting in the tail”.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Sep 8, 2020 12:45 PM

                          WOULD’VE BEEN FRONT PAGE

Just the facts, ma’am” and that’s exactly what the following cites: “One of the most significant developments in the search for the truth of 9-11 was the publication in March 2009 of a peer-reviewed scientific paper, written by nine scientists, about the discovery of “active thermitic material” in dust samples from the collapsed towers of the World Trade Center. A 25 page scientific paper entitled “Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9-11 World Trade Center Catastrophe” presented scientific evidence that an extremely powerful form of super-thermite was used during the demolition of the Twin Towers.  

The research paper written by an international team of nine scientists led by Dr. Steven E Jones of Brigham Young University analyzes tiny red-gray chips of a highly-explosive thermitic material “characterized as nano-thermite or super-thermite.” These chips were found in five different samples of dust from the collapsed towers.

The paper was published in the Open Chemical Physics Journal and marks a historic breakthrough in the scientific investigation of the explosive collapses of the Twin Towers, although it was not widely reported by the controlled media. If we had a truly free press in the US this important discovery would have been front page news and a subject of discussion on every news program in the nation……..

The Jones paper proves that the official explanation for the destruction of the Twin Towers is false. The findings presented in the paper are especially important for 9-11 truth seekers. We now have solid evidence of the super-thermite that was used to demolish the Twin Towers, which means that critics of the official version can no longer be dismissed as “conspiracy theorist.”   Christopher Bollyn “Solving 9-11″ The Deception that Changed the World” 2012.

THIS OCCURRED IN 2006

BYU Professor on Paid Leave for 9-11 Theory

“Dr. Steven Jones is on paid leave for suggesting the government is responsible for the destruction of the World Trade Center.

Jones is a physics professor involved in what’s called the “9-11 Truth Movement.”

Jones believes unnamed government agencies orchestrated the fall of the twin towers, and he says there’s evidence to back it up.

Two weeks ago he published his theory in a paper called, “Why Indeed did the World Trade Center Buildings Collapse?” In it, the professor says the towers fell NOT because of planes hitting them, but because of pre-positioned demolition charges.

He cites research conducted at BYU on materials from ground zero, asserting those materials show evidence of thermite, a compound used in military detonations. He says terrorists could have never set those charges.

Jones spoke this summer at a scholars’ symposium in California.

Steven Jones/ BYU Physics Professor: “The chain of events leads me to reluctantly conclude that indeed there does seem to be insiders. In other words, not just hijacked planes, but also others setting these thermite cutting charges into the World Trade Center and bringing them down.”

The State Department has released a rebuttal to Jones’ theory in a 10-thousand page report.

Physics Professor Steven Jones has made numerous statements about the collapse of the World Trade Center. BYU has repeatedly said that it does not endorse assertions made by individual faculty.

“We are, however, concerned about the increasingly speculative and accusatory nature of these statements by Dr. Jones.”
The university added, “BYU remains concerned that Dr. Jones’ works on this topic has not been published in appropriate scientific venues.”
It is rare for someone in Dr. Jones’ position to be under review because he has taught at BYU for more than two decades.
He began his career at the university in 1985 and has been known for his cold fusion research. Other professors will teach his classes while he’s on paid leave.”
He will be allowed to conduct research in his field but the university is reviewing his actions.
 https://www.ksl.com/article/476951/byu-professor-on-paid-leave-for-9-11-theory

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Sep 8, 2020 4:42 PM

Hello Charlotte Russe: I agree. Christopher Bollyn’s web page offers plenty of pertinent 9/11 analysis: > http://www.bollyn.com/home

Also this: >
Explosive Residues: Energetic Materials and the World Trade Center Destruction
http://911research.wtc7.net:80/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.html

Special Assignment: Try melting your way through a 5 inch thick piece of core-ten steel, using nothing more than kerosene. Jet fuel is about as combustible as kerosene.
Anyone who pretends the world trade center incident was not an inside job an oblivious conspiracy theorist…

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 8, 2020 7:55 PM

Kerosene was the origin of the Rockefeller fortune… it was while looking for kerosene to sell as medicine, that William Avery Rockefeller struck oil. His son J.D. built the business and grandson David who built the World Trade Center.

When it came time to replace the WTC, we are told it was consumed in a fire of kerosene.

Thermite was developed at Lawrence Livermore University, linked to Los Alamos. This was overseen by Lawrence Preston Gise, grandfather of Jeffrey Preston Jorgenson who goes by the name of Bezos. Granddaddy Preston was part of DARPA which invented the Internet. Grandson Preston was one of the first investors in Google. Amazon is cloud services provider to the CIA, and one-stop data collection shop to the masses.

Quarantined in smart cities without a car, without small businesses, Amazon will be the only way to shop.

Not only is it a small world, they plan to keep it that way.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Sep 8, 2020 8:01 PM

Notice how the same neoconservative ideologues are just as powerful today, and are firmly entrenched in the Lincoln Project and all such globalist endeavors. Nothing has been learned.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 8, 2020 12:41 PM

The very first ever episode of Star Trek was called “The Cage” and featured Jeffrey Hunter as the original captain of the Enterprise, Captain Pike. The episode featured a race of telepathic beings who could create illusions. They imprisoned Pike in a cage where he fired a phasor at the wall. It had no apparent effect. Pike said, “I think I just blew a hole in that wall and you’ve hidden it from me. I would like to try out that theory on your head!” as he points the gun at one of the beings. Immediately, a hole appears in the wall.

I reckon that’s what has happened – and many times – to the mainstream media i.e. the bullshit has already been exploded and yet the press continue to talk as if it hasn’t. I reckon most people already know that the official accounts of JFK, 9/11 etc. are crap but the mainstream continue to churn out the illusion. And since they have the loudest megaphones, the illusion appears to persist. Most don’t believe it but everyone believes that everyone else believes it.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 8, 2020 2:19 PM
Reply to  George Mc

As a fellow Trekkie, I love the great example and fully agree with the argument in this post. But posters may not like my examples of exploded bullshit or illusions for gullible people, which include: Trump is Putin’s puppet, Trump is part of the deep state rather than its enemy, dangerous HCQ kills people, our house is burning down, only people with white skins are racists, lockdown is a good idea, white supremacism threatens our way of life but certain religious and political supremacists do not, communist China and Islamist Iraq are happy, tolerant nations with lots of human rights and freedoms, conservatives and other critics of the left are a more selfish species of human, and actually evil fascists.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 8, 2020 2:52 PM

Trump is not Putin’s puppet although I think that he, like all US presidents – and British PMs for that matter, is ultimately a representative for the rich. The rich don’t like Trump because he’s not the one they need to present the liberal “let’s save the world” agenda which they require right now. (In that case, you may say he’s an “enemy” of the deep state – although I’d say he is a minor inconvenience which won’t delay them long). The white skin/racist and “white supremacist” stuff are just divide-and-rule diversions.

The bit about “communist China and Islamist Iraq are happy, tolerant nations with lots of human rights and freedoms” is just straw man bollocks.

As for “conservatives” and selfishness, it’s interesting what Ted Honderich has to say about the matter:

The conclusion to which we come is not that conservatives are selfish. It is that they are nothing else. Their organised selfishness is the rationale of their politics, and they have no other rationale. They stand without the support, the legitimation, of any recognisably moral principle. It is in this that they are distinguished fundamentally from those who are opposed to them.

 

Geoff
Geoff
Sep 8, 2020 2:58 PM

Are you not questioning why OG isn’t deleting your post, I’ve read nothing else all week

Littlenozegoy
Littlenozegoy
Sep 8, 2020 11:56 AM

Christopher Bollyn solved 9/11 in his book on the subject. Clamoring for an investigation is pointless in a locked down censored world. The PTB are criminal and evil and will eventually be hoisted by their own petard.

gorden
gorden
Sep 8, 2020 7:49 PM
Reply to  Littlenozegoy

2 upticks for christopher bollyn
one of them from me

no mention of b thing and gelatine
arts projects

i’m just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round
i really love to watch them go

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Sep 8, 2020 8:53 PM
Reply to  Littlenozegoy

Let us hope so, or science has become MEANINGLESS…
LIKE mainstream MEDIA, full of bullshiters, who understand nothing.

Gwyn
Gwyn
Sep 8, 2020 11:43 AM

Some Arab guys who could barely fly the smallest of planes really put the hours in and improved their skills to the point where they could pull off manoeuvres in large planes that only the very best pilots could manage (at a push).

The much-improved aviation enthusiasts then executed those very tricky manouevres to fly planes into a couple of high-rise steel-framed buildings, which caught fire and collapsed. Even though such buildings had never previously reacted in that way to fires.

A nearby building (which wasn’t struck by a plane) collapsed due to a small fire in an office.

Oh, and there were two other planes involved in unfortunate incidents in the same country on that day: one of them slammed into the Pentagon (leaving a very small hole in the side of the building), and the other crashed and simply disappeared into the ground, leaving no trace of itself.

Come on, conspiracy theorists; why can’t you just accept this perfectly credible explanation of events?

kevin
kevin
Sep 8, 2020 2:28 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

Good, brief synopsis .

Howard
Howard
Sep 8, 2020 5:26 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

My all time favorite “Stranger Than Fiction” tid-bit was one of the hijacker’s unscathed Visa found on the sidewalk away from the Twin Towers.

Not that it’s entirely unusual for a mere piece of paper to survive where metal is destroyed. What is unusual is how the Visa go away from the hijacker’s pocket. Maybe he was showing the pilots who he was as he slit their throats?

Gwyn
Gwyn
Sep 8, 2020 7:07 PM
Reply to  Howard

Or perhaps the impact of the plane hitting the building sent the hijacker through the plane’s windscreen, and the visa just popped out of his shirt pocket and wafted onto the street below? (The lucky visa would have just escaped being incinerated).

Not that I discount your equally compelling and plausible theory, of course.

paul
paul
Sep 8, 2020 7:36 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

Quite right.
Lucky Larry Silverstein is just naturally incredibly lucky.
And the Dancing Israelis just like a bit of dancing now and again, what’s wrong with that?Anyone who doesn’t believe the official conspiracy theory must be a Russian troll or a space lizard, or possibly both.

Gwyn
Gwyn
Sep 8, 2020 11:38 PM
Reply to  paul

This blatant Anti-Lucky-Peopleism and Anti-Dancerism must STOP! Otherwise, the Russian troll space-lizards have won.

Jillsign
Jillsign
Sep 8, 2020 10:47 AM

The worlds elites, foolishly let the US get away, with the most obvious of their hoaxes, the moon landing hoax, and they haven’t looked back since.

If you want to pull the US house of cards down, then take the easiest route, the moon landings hoax. It is so easy to prove a fraud, a child could do it.

The problem is now they have such momentum behind their lies nobody dare challenge them. 9/11 is never going to be conclusive because it is too complex, political and involved, but the moon landings hoax can be a proven without any doubt at all, and would establish the principle of American fraud without doubt.

please stop spamming different versions of the same comment under different names while the first is awaiting approval – this only confirms your bot status to the anti-spam software and exacerbates your problems. – Sophie (admin1)

THX-1143
THX-1143
Sep 8, 2020 11:34 AM
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Kim
Kim
Sep 8, 2020 11:56 AM
Reply to  THX-1143

Excellent video, the Italians have always understood this issue.

THX-1143
THX-1143
Sep 8, 2020 12:00 PM
Reply to  Kim

from the same director:

THX-1143
THX-1143
Sep 8, 2020 12:01 PM
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THX-1143
THX-1143
Sep 8, 2020 12:01 PM
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Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 8, 2020 1:40 PM
Reply to  THX-1143

The bankster towers were built in 1969 at the height of the failed Vietnam invasion . Skilled tradesmen quality and materials were in short supply, shoddy construction and corruption were features of that build. Even Mr Trump profited from the situation in that era.

Edwige
Edwige
Sep 8, 2020 2:03 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

North Tower construction started in August 1968, a coincidental 33 years before they came down.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 8, 2020 2:59 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

The communists famously prevailed over the US in Vietnam and Cambodia. The Killing Fields and decades of unimaginable fear and oppression for ordinary people soon followed, making our covid lockdowns and government authoritarianism look like a kids’ picnic. In the mid 70s, Pol Pot and Khymer Rouge massacred around 20-25% of Cambodia’s then population of 7-8m people. Mr Trump knows all about the communist horror, is reportedly ashamed he didn’t serve, and today calls out the tyranny of Chinese communists in HK and in their ’re-education’ camps containing millions of Chinese Muslims, the only western leader with the courage to do so.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump-signed-a-law-to-punish-china-for-its-oppression-of-the-uighur-muslims-uighurs-say-much-more-needs-to-be-done/ar-BB168XQ5

usandthem
usandthem
Sep 8, 2020 4:38 PM

The US is defending the Uyghur muslims in China?

Should these Uyghurs be residing in another country, their treatment would include 24/7 drone operations as well as the mother of all bombs.

They would suffer sanctions, be killed, bombed, massacred and poisoned; all democratically on course.

The biggest exporter of terrorism in history is defending the Uyghurs! What a joke!!

Koba
Koba
Sep 8, 2020 5:10 PM
Reply to  usandthem

America does back the uighurs

Koba
Koba
Sep 8, 2020 5:09 PM

The communists kicked pol pot out. And he was supported by MI6 maggie thatcher and the sas. FACT

gorden
gorden
Sep 8, 2020 3:18 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

yes i agree that and the office fires from the kerosene
trickling down the many floors weakening the sub structure
later leading to an instant pancake collapse at free fall speeds
collapsing into it’s own footprint
everything atomized
makes perfect sense jim

jim
can you here me
do you copy
over

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 8, 2020 7:42 PM
Reply to  gorden

At high pressures and temperatures JP4 aka jet fuel, a derivative of kerosene and diesel fuel will explode with the huge release of force which drive most of the worlds large truck engines.

Jakevictor
Jakevictor
Sep 8, 2020 3:41 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

What a silly comment. Engineering was well advanced in the 60’s and the buildings were excellently designed using a perimeter structural wall. They were designed to take an aircraft hit.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 8, 2020 7:36 PM
Reply to  Jakevictor

Your opinion is not based in facts.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Sep 8, 2020 9:10 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

Your opinion is not based on science and clearly you do not understand how diesel becomes inflammable…
It requires compression at a rate far higher than any,
Kerosene or petrol or gas engine, pal, stop the BULLSHIT!
Yo, Jim, have you ever tried putting a lighted cigarette
In a truck diesel tank? Clearly yer’ scientifically CLUELESS
And just trolling! If that’s yer’ best shot at gaskighting, lmao…

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Sep 8, 2020 9:11 PM
Reply to  Tim Jenkins

Lol, correction… Gaslighting!

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 8, 2020 11:58 PM
Reply to  Tim Jenkins

Another member of the flat Earth society troll club heard from ?

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 8, 2020 2:23 PM
Reply to  Kim

Would you prefer a Chinese communist Moon?

Junter
Junter
Sep 8, 2020 2:42 PM

You just outed yourself as a CIA stooge.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 8, 2020 1:34 PM
Reply to  Jillsign

The Lone Gunman assassination of JFK is the primary successful hoax of the last half of the 20th century. Nixon’s moon landing was small potatoes in comparison. From that all the rest flow including the latest covid panic demic that is reordering life as we know it with little protest.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 8, 2020 2:22 PM
Reply to  Jillsign

“they have such momentum behind their lies nobody dare challenge them”. Except a million posters like you? Sorry, I’ve seen this conspiracy parroted endlessly, but never with any convincing evidence.

Koba
Koba
Sep 8, 2020 5:11 PM

Except a million posters like you? Who have minimal voices in public and I highly doubt millions come to this site. But you go back to spreading anti CIA stuff then spreading pro CIA stuff. Good goy

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Sep 8, 2020 5:16 PM
Reply to  Koba

Millions do come to this site actually – several million this year alone. 🙂

Voz 0db
Voz 0db
Sep 8, 2020 7:52 PM
Reply to  Jillsign

Well.. If today with all this high tech and A.I. we still can only land small objects on the Moon, and not even all the attempts are successful, and with heavier objects we have a record of ZERO landings (just look at the latest fiasco from India) clearly only special kind of distracted people believe in that tale!

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 9, 2020 12:05 AM
Reply to  Voz 0db

Circa 1970 most of us preferred to believe we had put a man on the moon , then the full turpitude of the Johnson/Nixon era became public knowledge and that “truth” died a slow and painful death.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 8, 2020 10:43 AM

The jumpers were the most tragic, the most humane and most horrifying memory of that day. They fell like rain. The television cameras followed their dizzy trajectory, again and again and again. Then they were wiped from memory.

America has deleted the jumpers. Photos are no longer shown. According to the coroner no one even jumped. They fell or were ‘blown out’. Choosing to die is taboo in America. People can’t handle the images. — Erik Mouthaan, RTL News, 2014.

Watching on the day, the TV stations spent so much time following jumpers that one wished the cameras would stay still, give us a close up, figure out what was happening in the buildings: to provide factual information not emotion and reflexive banality.

The government wanted us to watch planes ad nauseam, to the chants of Bin Laden, Bin Laden, Bin Laden.

The government did not want us roused, by outrage and compassion, to anger at the individual human beings coughing their way to a broken window, clinging to searing metal, before jumping… as if that was a choice. Such anger could not be so easily channeled, unlike the official pointy finger, in the direction of the terrorists.

Dutch channel RTL remembers one of those who jumped, in this report from 2014. https://youtu.be/ZXcsBLcVc5o

Mikalina
Mikalina
Sep 8, 2020 1:10 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

…the individual human beings coughing their way to a broken window, clinging to searing metal, before jumping…

Wow, what heartless bitch is going to comment on that and say 1) our memories differ; 2) the picture you give is physically impossible but masonically acurate.

Reachable Spike
Reachable Spike
Sep 8, 2020 3:21 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Yes, for sure not a choice to take one’s own life. It’s instinctive to run away from certain death by fire, and jumping gives one a few more seconds to breathe. Absolutely horrible.

If you wanted to rouse anger at the assumed perpetrators, showing the jumpers again and again would be the way to go. I think they stopped showing it because it falls outside of accepted standards. You know, violence pornography. It’s just as well. The decent aspect of humanity also asserted itself in criticizing showing the collapsing buildings over and over again.

TFS
TFS
Sep 8, 2020 10:24 AM

I understand the need for their to be a push back against the Official Conspiracy Theory on so many levels, but there is one level that should be a top of any discussion on 9/11.

Irrespective that you believe in the Official Conspiracy Theory or not, it should be outlined that we all believe in the intrinsic right of the families, friends and loved ones who lost someone on that day and since to be able to hold their Government to account. This has a primacy, because it affects anyone who has lost anyone to terrorism(?). 7/7 springs to mind in the UK for starters.

That would shame the Official Conspiracy Theorists somewhat.

THX-1143
THX-1143
Sep 8, 2020 11:27 AM
Reply to  TFS

be careful, you’ll summon the resident disinfo troll here, who claims that nobody died on 9/11/2001.

Koba
Koba
Sep 8, 2020 5:16 PM
Reply to  THX-1143

While it’s ridiculous to say no one died on 9/11 it’s not ridiculous to consider that many victims named aren’t real people

Ted Clement-Evans
Ted Clement-Evans
Sep 8, 2020 10:23 AM

I have recently published a book, Justice for the Families. This book contains compelling evidence which is unseen on the many 9/11 TV programmes by National Geographia etc. This includes photo evidence of Israel having used nano-thermite in her silent bombs of the Cast Lead attacks on Gaza in 2008

usandthem
usandthem
Sep 8, 2020 9:53 AM

If israel doesn’t like Country C then Israel can produce evidence that Country C is behind 9/11.
The US/FIVE EYES/NATO/ALLIES unconditionally love israeli evidence.

ZenPriest
ZenPriest
Sep 8, 2020 10:16 AM
Reply to  usandthem

Now why would that be? Could it be because lots of ‘Israelis’ own / run most things in the Anglosphere?

THX-1143
THX-1143
Sep 8, 2020 11:24 AM
Reply to  ZenPriest

ZenPriest
ZenPriest
Sep 8, 2020 2:47 PM
Reply to  THX-1143

He was giving orders and most people didn’t notice. Pathetic little lap dogs sell outs of their own country.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Sep 8, 2020 9:22 PM
Reply to  THX-1143

Has
Milosevic
Resigned?
And you have,
Inherited his links?
Just a thought…

milosevic
milosevic
Sep 9, 2020 12:23 AM
Reply to  Tim Jenkins

Tim, having worked parallel with CIA Agents & Navy seals clearly knows what he’s talking about

https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/09/wikipedia-slashes-spanish-flu-death-rate/#comment-126172

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 8, 2020 3:14 PM
Reply to  usandthem

Does the capacity for evil belong only to humans with American or Israeli or British passports? Given human history, human nature, and the outrageous horrors being committed in non-white tyrannies all over the the world today, that’s a very tough if not impossible claim to defend. Also, won’t you have to condemn black Americans, Arab Israelis and British Muslims because of their nationalities? If not, on what grounds can they be exempted from your judgement?

Koba
Koba
Sep 8, 2020 5:17 PM

You’re ridiculously and hysterically hilarious

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 9, 2020 2:46 AM

China did it, right?

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 8, 2020 9:42 AM

The End Justifies The Means. A characteristic belief or trait of modern government. Without it, you could have had neither 911 nor Event Covid; governments would be unable to justify bank bailouts or repressive legislation written in advance.

The reason the means are important, maybe more important than the ends, is how we get to our goal is just as important as getting there. In other words, destiny tells us what we are to the world, but journey tells who we are; it’s the journey that unlocks our potential and establishes who we are as a person and what motivates us towards action.

https://www.ethicssage.com/2018/04/do-the-ends-justify-the-means.html

Muggles
Muggles
Sep 8, 2020 9:59 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

The means modify the ends. You don’t have the ends in your power, but you have the means.

Antonym
Antonym
Sep 8, 2020 8:46 AM

The FBI and CDC love this conspiracy stuff: helps distract attention from their actual mistakes. The FBI didn’t closely watch Saudi jihad trainees in US CIA camps in 2001, while the CDC advised the US badly through out 2020: they neglected the most venerable – the oldest, the very obese and those with hart, liver and kidney problems, while locking down the other 90% healthy residents. Neither were planned: both were accidental and after mismanaged.

usandthem
usandthem
Sep 8, 2020 9:59 AM
Reply to  Antonym

In neoliberal democracies, hurting the disadvantage is a doctrine.

Muggles
Muggles
Sep 8, 2020 10:04 AM
Reply to  Antonym

That kind of thing might work on the BBC page, but you’re outclassed here. I should hope a Russian bot could do better.

THX-1143
THX-1143
Sep 8, 2020 11:16 AM
Reply to  Muggles

you’re mistaken, it’s an Israeli bot.

Dave Patterson
Dave Patterson
Sep 8, 2020 10:18 AM
Reply to  Antonym

the ‘oldest’ are ‘venerable’ in some societies, but I don’t think you’d get away with calling people with serious medical conditions ‘venerable’ in most circumstances ..

THX-1143
THX-1143
Sep 8, 2020 11:18 AM
Reply to  Dave Patterson

it’s an understandable mistake, from someone whose first language is Modern Hebrew.

TFS
TFS
Sep 8, 2020 10:27 AM
Reply to  Antonym

Let me know how a person with your level of civil avaition pilotsmanship took control of a Jet and flew the flight profile that he did to hit the Pentagon and I’ll act like you can engage in a adult conversation on the subject.

THX-1143
THX-1143
Sep 8, 2020 11:22 AM
Reply to  TFS

— or how WTC-7 came to collapse, even though its scheduled meeting with an airliner failed to materialize.

these disinfo trolls are just pathetic. they go on repeating the same tired lies, from their years-old script, long after they have ceased to have any effect on anybody who cares.

TFS
TFS
Sep 8, 2020 10:32 AM
Reply to  Antonym

Conspiracy Stuff for Antonym.

Who Killed RFK and is that backed up as fact by the autopsy report?

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 8, 2020 11:27 AM
Reply to  Antonym

Yes let’s vent our rage on this “mismanagement”. Our movers and shakers are just clowns shambling around. No idea what they’re doing. Why they’re just lovable buffoons!

Koba
Koba
Sep 8, 2020 5:18 PM
Reply to  Antonym

Back being all Jewish Andy underhanded again antonym?

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Sep 8, 2020 8:38 AM

I’m shocked. Shocked I tell you!
I never knew this was a Limited Hangout Den!

Now hand me my winnings from the Hard BrexShit and bonuses from Fear Porn CV titillations and diversion from the most significant political, miscarriage of Justice, prosecutions since Mandela in the English and Scottish Courts – WHOLLY unreported in the MSM and toerag Alt-Media.

And let’s rock and roll with the Great Diversion, even if it is now nearly 20 years old …Gosh won’t it’s 21st be a hoot!

Anything, but the sick, hard BS reality of protecting the Money and its Creators.

No it’s NOT taxpayers money – it NEVER has been.

usandthem
usandthem
Sep 8, 2020 10:04 AM
Reply to  DunGroanin

Can you give new(ish) readers some hints?

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Sep 8, 2020 10:39 AM
Reply to  usandthem

That’s a friendly question and I gladly will offer to lead you to the trough of knowledge, which is the task of shills and propagandists and media whores and their flying troll puppets, to conceal, under their wide mud throwing lakes.

What would you like clues to exactly?

It is best to take it in chewable bites. 🙂

THX-1143
THX-1143
Sep 8, 2020 11:14 AM
Reply to  DunGroanin

chewable bites

yes, disinfo always goes down easier, that way. it reduces the unpleasant aftertaste of cognitive dissonance.

Dave Patterson
Dave Patterson
Sep 8, 2020 10:20 AM
Reply to  DunGroanin

to the extent most people have less money because they are paying some of it in ‘taxes’
does make at least some of ‘it’ ‘taxpayer’s money’

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Sep 8, 2020 10:45 AM
Reply to  Dave Patterson

Instant FAIL.

Money only exists to PAY taxes any that is left over is private sector SAVINGS and is misnamed as Government Debt.

Governments don’t tax THEN spend – it is exactly the OPPOSITE.

it is the greatest deceit of the history and religion of Money by its high priests.

Dave Patterson
Dave Patterson
Sep 8, 2020 11:28 AM
Reply to  DunGroanin

you seem to understand there is some serious deceit going on around the whole notion of ‘money’, but you’ve got the blocks lined up pretty incorrectly – keep working at it, enlightenment awaits at the end of something. You could ask Alice when she was ten feet tall with a better perspective ..

THX-1143
THX-1143
Sep 8, 2020 11:12 AM
Reply to  DunGroanin

the Great Diversion

tell that to the people of Iraq, whose entire society was destroyed on that fake pretext.

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Sep 8, 2020 12:07 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

OT discussion Dun – this is about 9/11.

Voz 0db
Voz 0db
Sep 8, 2020 8:36 AM

9/11 & COVID are indeed connected because in both events we can see that the same slaves with the same college degrees act accordingly to their current plantation owners!

The ones at NIST MUST OBEY the Orders from ABOVE and invent and fabric BS math and fairy tale to claim that office fires can transform steel into dust and cause the collapse of a steel frame building, if they DO NOT OBEY, well… goodby nice job and paycheck slave!

The ones not at NIST – with the same college degree – since are not bound to the paycheck and nice job, can actually see and report on what happened!

In CUVID (CU=ASS) OPERATION land… we see the same! Just look at the PCR fraudulent tests and that’s all it takes to see how scoundrels do operate!

THX-1143
THX-1143
Sep 8, 2020 11:09 AM
Reply to  Voz 0db

office fires can transform steel into dust

where do you get this BS from?

there’s no “steel dust”; the dust is from the thousands of tonnes of concrete used in the floor slabs. get a clue.

obviously, office fires cannot reduce concrete to dust, either; that requires massive quantities of explosives. much more than could be transported in an airplane, contra the first idiot who claimed that.

Voz 0db
Voz 0db
Sep 8, 2020 1:08 PM
Reply to  THX-1143

Well… A simple OBSERVATION of the area right after the COLLAPSE shows no visible amount of the more than 200,000 tons of steel that both towers had!

I mean two 400+ meters tall steel frame buildings would at least leave a nice big pile of steel in the ground!

http://www.clker.com/cliparts/9/a/8/9/125742243417474201026bhg9o.png

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Sep 8, 2020 1:40 PM
Reply to  Voz 0db

Firemen reported molten steel running down the gunnels “like in a foundry”. Their eyewitness report was omitted from the Bush/Cheney regime’s “National” Investigative Committee.

Voz 0db
Voz 0db
Sep 8, 2020 7:42 PM
Reply to  Dr NG Maroudas

Yep… And what HEAT SOURCE can cause such river of steel?!

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 9, 2020 2:18 AM
Reply to  Voz 0db

Nanothermite, drongo.

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Sep 9, 2020 11:28 AM
Reply to  Cliff Edwards

Cliff, thanks for saving me the trouble of replying to this obvious troll. He/It knows the answer, just roBOT-like repeating a programmed diversionary question.

The Bush crime dynasty’s connection with Thermite companies goes right back to Shrub Bush’s grandpappy Prescot Bush, and the Japanese company which gave young Prescott the start on his path toward financing Hitler and his New World Order:

https://youtu.be/n_fp5kaVYhk

Voz 0db
Voz 0db
Sep 9, 2020 1:45 PM
Reply to  Dr NG Maroudas

Yes… they must have buried mega tonnes of nanothermite in the ground, and then after the towers collapse they ignited it!

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Sep 9, 2020 2:32 PM
Reply to  Voz 0db

@V0: “and then after the towers collapse they ignited it!”

Voz, I apologize for calling you a roBOT, you’re not a robot you’re an idiOT: obviously they ignited all those tons of thermite _before_ the towers collapsed. Cause _follows_ effect: try to get your head round that.

Voz 0db
Voz 0db
Sep 9, 2020 6:22 PM
Reply to  Dr NG Maroudas

Yes… THAT’S IT! And then the river of steel kept on flowing because they were always igniting more nt!

Brilliant!!!

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Sep 9, 2020 2:35 PM
Reply to  Voz 0db

Oops! Cause _precedes_ effect.

Voz 0db
Voz 0db
Sep 9, 2020 1:42 PM
Reply to  Cliff Edwards

And how long lasts the chemical reaction of nanothermite, mongo?!

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 9, 2020 1:55 PM
Reply to  Voz 0db

Nanothermite melts steel, pendejo, which is why it was used to cut through the interior box columns. The molten steel then flowed downwards, you know, from gravity? Pobrecito. 🤣

Voz 0db
Voz 0db
Sep 9, 2020 6:26 PM
Reply to  Cliff Edwards

Once a moron ALWAYS a moron… That’s Cliff!

From A&E911Truth:
“A photograph taken 16 days after the 9/11 event shows an excavator grabbing debris that remains solid even though it is glowing in the salmon-to-yellow hot range. Dr. Jones notes that the solid metal, glowing in the 845°C/1550°F to 1080°C/1975°F temperature range, could not have been aluminum, lead, or other metals with low melting points, because none of them could have remained solid in this range.”

16 days igniting nano-termite! I guess they didn’t had nothing better to do…

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 9, 2020 8:52 PM
Reply to  Voz 0db

Yes, sorry, I was wrong – I’ve just realised that YOU melted the steel by lighting your farts!

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 9, 2020 1:53 PM
Reply to  Dr NG Maroudas

Obviously, the exploding planes and resulting fireballs had nothing to do with it. It’s too obvious. The conspiracy theorists need something else.

THX-1143
THX-1143
Sep 8, 2020 2:27 PM
Reply to  Voz 0db

there’s steel column sections all over the place, in that picture. they’ve been very conveniently cut into lengths suitable for removal by truck. you must be quite blind.

Voz 0db
Voz 0db
Sep 9, 2020 2:14 PM
Reply to  THX-1143

I guess we’re now two…

Magumba
Magumba
Sep 9, 2020 12:21 AM
Reply to  Voz 0db

We are all slaves on the digital plantation now

Voz 0db
Voz 0db
Sep 9, 2020 1:44 PM
Reply to  Magumba

Yes we are… Even for those like me that don’t use/have smartphones, smart gadgets, smart houses, smart cars, living on smart cities!

We’re screwed!

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 9, 2020 1:57 PM
Reply to  Voz 0db

Beats me why you also thought it was a good idea to eliminate “smart” from your brain.

Voz 0db
Voz 0db
Sep 9, 2020 2:16 PM
Reply to  Cliff Edwards

I’m not smart like you… I’m just Intelligent!

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 9, 2020 3:20 PM
Reply to  Voz 0db

I’ve known kerosene pumps with more brains than you.

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 9, 2020 3:25 PM
Reply to  Voz 0db

I’ve met kerosene pumps with more brains than you.

Voz 0db
Voz 0db
Sep 9, 2020 6:17 PM
Reply to  Cliff Edwards

Well… you’re just another moron slave. keep up.

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 9, 2020 6:42 PM
Reply to  Voz 0db

Sorry but a “moron slave” is the likes of you who argues in favour of the official conspiracy theory. Repeat after me: “BAA BAA BAA”.

Voz 0db
Voz 0db
Sep 9, 2020 6:48 PM
Reply to  Cliff Edwards

Indeed you’re a moron slave, you can’t even read, you don’t know the official conspiracy theory and your smartphone is way smarter than you…

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 9, 2020 8:38 PM
Reply to  Voz 0db

Diddums. Go back on your mummy’s teat, pendejo.

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 9, 2020 8:54 PM
Reply to  Voz 0db

Worn those hairs off your palm yet, pajero?

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 8, 2020 6:23 AM

I’ve seen short clips of “Harley Guy” before, but it’s only recently that I first saw the complete version. Note the hand signal near the start!

ZenPriest
ZenPriest
Sep 8, 2020 10:18 AM

“Mostly due to structural failure because the fire was just too intense”
Lol

THX-1143
THX-1143
Sep 8, 2020 11:03 AM