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Spies Like Us: The Assange Indictment

Suzie Halewood

The United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia indictment of Julian Assange is a curious document.  By the end of it you can’t help feeling that if anyone is to be indicted, it should be the US Government and the CIA.

Assange is accused of conspiracy to receive national information, obtaining national defence information, disclosure of national defence information and conspiracy to commit computer intrusion. Which is just a regular day at the office for any one of the alphabet agencies such as the CIA, FBI and NSA or for that matter, Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, Nielsen and the rest.

According to the Oxford English dictionary, ‘conspiracy’ is a secret plan by a group of people to do something harmful or illegal. But there was nothing secret about it. Assange used his own name, advertised for material of ‘ethical significance’ on the Wikileaks website and publicly announced the search for such information at the 26th Chaos Communication Congress in December 2009.

The CIA website on the other hand talks of ‘covert action’ and ‘coordinated espionage’ while MI5 ‘eavesdrop, tap telephone calls and communicate secretly’ in order to spy both nationally and internationally.

Was it harmful? According to the indictment, any unauthorized disclosure ‘could harm the national security of the United States’. But before documents were released, Wikileaks redacted information such as names of confidential informants so as not to put lives at risk. It was only when threatened by the intelligence community that Assange warned that such ‘harm minimization’ could not be guaranteed if anything should happen to himself or Wikileaks as encrypted backups of material yet to be released were routinely distributed and required only a password for the material to be made instantly available.

Furthermore the US Army admitted in a 2013 court hearing, that a team of 120 counter-intelligence officers had failed to find a single person in Iraq and Afghanistan who had died because of disclosures by WikiLeaks.

As for the legality, Assange didn’t sign a classified information nondisclosure agreement. What he did was take a leaf directly out of the CIA playbook: ‘Our operations officers recruit well-placed human assets with access to information’. The CIA website goes on to point out that spying can be a dangerous game: ‘Spies risk imprisonment, the loss of their job, reputation, or family and friends. Some are even at risk of execution if caught’.

Mike Pompeo – then head of the CIA – decided there had to be a connection with Russia, which enabled the switch of Wikileaks and Assange from the constitutionally protected journalism field to the targetable ‘non-state hostile intelligence service’ one. This meant Assange could be tried under The Espionage Act.

Espionage is ‘the practice of secretly gathering information about a foreign government or a competing industry with the purpose of placing one’s own government or corporation at some strategic or financial advantage’.

Aside from Wikileaks being a non-profit, the ‘Most Wanted Leaks’ of 2009 was organized by country (no other country is requesting Assange’s extradition for trial), so the aim can’t have been for ‘strategic advantage’ if no single country was targeted and if Wikileaks had no idea which countries might spill their secrets.

The indictment also claims Assange ‘aided, abetted, counselled, induced, procured and wilfully caused Manning to obtain documents’. But Manning merely answered the call.

To prove inducement, the US Grand Jury would surely have to conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that Manning didn’t give up the documents of her own free will or that the viewing documents or videos following searches for ‘retention+of+interrogation+videos’ and ‘detainee+abuse’ wouldn’t be enough to motivate anyone to report on their own country’s nefarious activities, which were both appalling and illegal.

Assange is also charged with agreeing to assist Manning in cracking a password hash – not in order to garner more information (as the indictment notes, prior to the password hash incident Manning had already provided WikiLeaks with hundreds of thousands of documents) – but to protect Manning’s identity.

The ultimate slap in the face for Pompeo was the release to Wikileaks of the CIA’s very own hacker tools, used to steal information and make hacking operations appear to be the act of a foreign nation. Vault 7 was ‘a collection of malware, viruses, trojans, and “zero day” exploits’ used to infiltrate security systems and hack smartphones, smart TVs, and social media messaging apps like WhatsApp.

That the sensitive Vault 7 was supplied voluntarily by an ex-CIA programmer must have stung like hell. Unlike the CIA’s torture methods used to extract information using such methods as waterboarding, threats to the families of detainees and mock executions, Assange merely had to ask and the faithful came running. He was a rock star. People wanted to please him. No persuasion necessary.

According to the indictment, Manning downloaded approximately 90,000 Afghanistan war-related significant activities reports, 400,000 Iraq war-related significant activities reports, 800 Guantanamo Bay detainee assessment briefs and 250,000 U.S. Department of State cables.

Wikileaks released details of the torture of Guantanamo Bay detainees, the infamous ‘Light ‘em all up’ video of a US Apache helicopter shooting dead twelve people including two Reuters staff, cables showing the US intelligence agencies were spying on world leaders (including those of Germany, France and the UK) and documents exposing how the US uses the World Bank and IMF as ‘financial weapons’ against governments not prepared to bend to the will of the good old US of A whose ‘western values’ have led them to seventy invasions since WWII, more than fifty regime changes and the deaths of millions.

If the indictment was reversed to read JULIAN PAUL ASSANGE v. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (Defendant) it would be a lot longer than the 37 pages The US Attorney’s Office has managed to conjure.

The Journalistic Code of Practice is to speak truth to power. Free speech is protected by The First Amendment which not only guarantees the freedom of the press in the United States but also covers the freedom to publish and distribute.

John F. Kennedy, whose 1961 President and the Press speech warned about the grave dangers of increased censorship and concealment, believed no president should fear public scrutiny, that dissenters should not be silenced but praised and that the world was not meant to be a prison in which man awaits his fate.

How can it be a crime to report a crime? For many it would be more like a duty. Assange’s only ‘crime’ was in humiliating the intelligence community – notably Pompeo and the CIA.

Wikileaks never lost a court case when challenged – their information was reliable because they went to the source and Wikileaks’ revelations were very much in the public interest, because the public has the right to know what their tax dollars are funding.

Priti Patel was no doubt ‘just following orders’ when she signed the extradition order. Law is clearly not her strong suit. Aside from the fact Assange has been incarcerated way beyond the twelve-month maximum custody for skipping bail, Patel has also agreed to extradite him to a country which has the death penalty. 

When the requesting country has the death penalty available, the UK would usually seek assurance that the person would not receive the death penalty should they be extradited. Should there be no assurance given, then UK law would prohibit the removal from the UK of that person.

Considering multiple CIA agents have spoken out about the CIA’s plans to kidnap and poison Assange, the US is all out of credible assurances.

If extradited and found guilty on all counts, Assange’s defence team warns he could be given a sentence of 175 years. Should the sentences run concurrently, it would be ten. Assange has been incarcerated since 2012. He’s done his time.

Suzie Halewood is a mathematician and filmmaker

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P Stanford
P Stanford
Aug 1, 2022 4:07 PM

How to Spot an Agent:
Here are some of the common tactics agents use that you can look for (see commentators below):
1) Lower level Agents, usually Level 1, will engage in combative language, argue with other members, derail topics, routinely go off-topic and otherwise bring toxicity and negativity to the group. They are easy to spot and usually banned fairly quickly.
2) Higher level operators, between Level 2 and 3, use more sophisticated tactics. They will remain in a group for some time and appear neutral or mildly supportive, then their tone will change to more skeptical questions and criticisms.

Michael Atkinson
Michael Atkinson
Jul 31, 2022 4:50 PM

Julian Assange is another “truth advocate” psyop scammer who acts like he can’t understand a building being blown up on live TV with some kind of explosives, or AE911truth org – just like Joe Rogan, Noam Chomsky, Amy Goodman, Edward Snowden, David Icke, Max Igan, Scott Ritter and many more.

Assange called the 9/11 scam a false conspiracy in 2010 which it most certainly is not and can easily be proven. Think about this: not only does he say what many of us have been pointing out for years that he says he is constantly annoyed by people about 9/11 being a scam and degraded us 9/11 truth supporters, but he actually takes focus OFF of (by not even acknowledging) lots of war crimes by being a “journalist” that the western corporate mainstream media treats so badly (supposedly), for pointing out some war crimes, but not the rest? even on our own people? 

This seems planned to scare other journalists who may want to tell the truth about lots of things that aren’t that hard at all to see. And at the same time it gives any people who don’t know about these slight of hand tactics yet any time he’s on TV the impression that he is telling some “brave truths”. I’m sure he does tell some truth too, just like Alex Jones does but not too much. I just ask people to consider these things. I’ve never shared anything about him unless it’s this information. He also seems to try to keep people in the fake Republican Democrat charade which has been corrupted false choices for a very long time. And we got to get rid of electronic voting machines.  

Julian Assange:

“I’m constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud.” -Julian Assange

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/features/wanted-by-the-cia-julian-assange-wikileaks-founder-28548843.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20110207194350/https://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2010/12/assanges-wikileaks-is-fake.html

Nash Jones
Nash Jones
Aug 1, 2022 3:49 PM

Maybe he didn’t receive leaks on 9/11. The point he’s making – and it’s a fair one – why obsess with past activities when there’s so much going on in the present day. There would be no point in bringing up the Spanish Flu again while we’re being poisoned with a spike protein. But one release of info can lead to another….

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 31, 2022 9:23 AM

Speaking truth to power, NOT !!!

The first person on the list lives in a trailer park!

https://wikileaks.org/wiki/British_National_Party_membership_and_contacts_list,_reference

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 30, 2022 9:05 AM

As I said below, I have no idea why Assange is so important, but the notion that he is merely a “truth telling journalist” is not credible. Rather, he is a state-sponsored spook and propagandist within a world of spooks and propagandists.

https://caitlinjohnstone.substack.com/p/assange-is-doing-his-most-important
Assange Is Doing His Most Important Work Yet
Caitlin Johnstone
Jun 18, 2022

British Home Secretary Priti Patel has authorized the extradition of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange to the United States to be tried under the Espionage Act in a case which seeks to set a legal precedent for the prosecution of any publisher or journalist, anywhere in the world, who reports inconvenient truths about the US empire. Assange’s legal team will appeal the decision, reportedly with arguments that will include the fact that the CIA spied on him and plotted his assassination.

https://caitlinjohnstone.substack.com/p/mike-pompeos-revealing-hudson-institute
Mike Pompeo’s Revealing Hudson Institute Speech
Caitlin Johnstone
Jun 30, 2022

Former CIA director and secretary of state Mike Pompeo gave a speech at the Hudson Institute last week that’s probably worth taking a look at just because of how much it reveals about the nature of the US empire and the corrupt institutions which influence its policies.

I presume there are many OffG readers who understand the logic of inverted realities!

DavidW
DavidW
Jul 30, 2022 11:06 PM

“…I have no idea…”
Then why comment ?

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 31, 2022 9:35 AM
Reply to  DavidW

If you’d read the rest of the rather short paragraph you would have answered your question!

. . . but the notion that he is merely a “truth telling journalist” is not credible. Rather, he is a state-sponsored spook and propagandist within a world of spooks and propagandists.

However, if you have your own ideas as to why Assange might be considered important, please go ahead and make a contribution.

Nash Jones
Nash Jones
Aug 1, 2022 4:01 PM

Any proof?

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Aug 1, 2022 10:04 PM
Reply to  Nash Jones

My default position with regard to somebody having the sort associations and media profile of Assange, Snowdon, Ellsberg, etc is to assume that they’re spooks and propagandists. This is based on knowledge of such programmes as Operation Mockingbird; together with a couple of decades of looking into this kind of stuff.

I’ve never found Assange to be particularly interesting so I haven’t looked into his personal history. I looked at Collateral Murder when it was released, but concluded that it was seriously over hyped. When I posted a comment here a couple of years ago stating this opinion, it was massively downvoted. All of this, and much more, points to a spook operation.

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
Jul 30, 2022 4:30 AM

Married

Hasn’t this guy been able to meet an attractive chick, marry her and procreate during his alleged incarceration ?

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Jul 30, 2022 10:30 AM

jfc

Fatalist
Fatalist
Jul 30, 2022 2:11 AM

I suspect Julian Mossange isn’t in Belmarsh Prison any more than he was in the Ecuadorian Embassy when he made two babies with his lawyer. Possibly lounging on a Tel Aviv beach with Robert Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein.

Haaretz

“”Diplomatic secrets published by the WikiLeaks group has not damaged Israel and in fact strengthened its position, Prime Minister Netanyahu said Monday”.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Jul 30, 2022 7:48 AM
Reply to  Fatalist

What a genius you are.

Zane
Zane
Jul 29, 2022 11:50 PM

Here’s an idea: jail Hillary Clinton for 175 years instead.

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Jul 29, 2022 7:05 PM

Why didn’t Julian Assange tap Dick Cheney’s phone? Why didn’t he film the guys planting explosives in the WTC? Why didn’t he find Madeleine McCann? Why has he never named the bastard that stole my bike? Why is he hiding the FACT that the earth is a cube? Why has he still not composed even one opera? Eh? Eh? Answer me that.

Guy doesn’t pass the smell test.

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
Jul 30, 2022 4:37 AM
Reply to  Patrick L.

The least he could have done as a dissident and a moral man would have been to have with held comment. The lie of 9/11 led to the murder of millions.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Jul 30, 2022 10:50 AM

What the fuck is this obsession with 911? He exposed the fucking millions of murders in Afghanistan and Iraq/

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Jul 29, 2022 5:27 PM

To paraphrase a saying attributed to Mao — “(Political) Power Grows Out Of The Barrel Of a Gun”. People these days seem to spend excessive amounts of time and energy on convincing themselves that government is ‘just like us’ — if it breaks laws then it can be indicted and sanctioned etc. Although this is technically true in the US (and maybe in other countries) this is really cosmetic — the State just is, and if you threaten the State then you’re going to cop it if the state’s functionaries deem you an important enough threat. Truth, reason and laws have nothing to do with it except maybe to provide a convenient looking cover for its actions (it needs to invent convincing sounding reasons for its actions, enough to convince the average rube). (FWIW — Much of what they say doesn’t hold water from a technical perspective but then who am I to question the authority of the State?)

Back in the old days before Wikileaks, Assange, Snowden and all there were a number of companies making a good living selling anti-virus protection primarily for Windows computers. One of those companies, Kaspersky, was typically at the forefront of exposing viruses, especially the more devious ones that tended to elude most researchers. (They actually pulled off a significant coup recently by discovering a rather cleverly designed one that hid outside the operating system, effectively being baked into some motherboard firmware that’s used to start the computer up.)(Its a bit difficult to explain here but anyone interested can look up “UEFI virus”.) Kaspersky, as you might guess from the name, originated from Russia except that it rapidly became a global company. Needless to say, more recently we’ve had all sorts of official prouncements recommending it being ripped out because of ‘links to the Kremlin”, that sort of thing — an endorsement, IMHO, but there again, who am I to question Government Experts? Anyway, just remember that the greatest sins of Wikileaks, Snowden and others isn’t to expose secrets but confirm what everyone (at least everyone in the business) suspected. Its difficult to fully hide traces of dubious activity so there has to be a converted campaign to blow enough smoke that damage can be limited.

As for Assange himself, its difficult to reconcile our national stance for freedom, justice and human rights with what’s been done to him. People need to take note of the amount of resources devoted to destroying him — character assassination, of course, dubious charges, confinement for years in harsh conditions without being convicted of a crime — you name it, we’ve done it.

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Jul 30, 2022 12:48 AM
Reply to  Martin Usher

Great post.

Clive WilliamsCoronavirus
Clive WilliamsCoronavirus
Jul 30, 2022 8:50 PM
Reply to  Martin Usher

I’am not great on these computers, but someone who was once told me virus anti-virus protection was the work of the same entity.
I’am guessing he meant business model, the more knowledgeable will explain it a lot better.
I don’t buy computer tech mags, basically I think computers they are overpriced recycling junk. imo

S Cooper
S Cooper
Jul 29, 2022 4:51 PM

“We came. We saw, We droned”
comment image

https://thiscantbehappening.net/part-1-will-england-send-assange-the-messenger-to-americas-dungeons/

“Tee-Hee, Tee-Hee, Tee-Hee.”

S Cooper
S Cooper
Jul 29, 2022 5:05 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

“The look on ones face as they enter THE WOODCHIPPER.
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Clive WilliamsCoronavirus
Clive WilliamsCoronavirus
Jul 29, 2022 7:27 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

She’s just been informed the limo. has a flat and she has to grab a cab.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Jul 29, 2022 7:02 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

And when the DNC tried to sue him and Wikileaks over the Podesta papers the US federal court threw it out

Joe Van Steenbergen
Joe Van Steenbergen
Jul 29, 2022 4:41 PM

To TPTB, it doesn’t matter what they charge Assange with, as long as he never walks free again. His most serious “crime” was helping to keep Her out of the White House. That cannot be allowed to go unpunished. Little else matters, other than the fact that the whole charade has a chilling effect on investigative journalism.

LuciusLicinius
LuciusLicinius
Jul 29, 2022 6:37 PM

So if all that is true it would mean that Trump won the elections fair and square in 2016 and that he is not part of the TPTSB or at least not controlled by them. I wonder…

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Jul 29, 2022 4:37 PM

I think it telling, how no Englishman, no Australian, no Argentian, no retired military personnel, no alleged terrorist group, no one in the entire world has attacked Her Majesty’s Prison Belmarsh. Why not?

Mr. Assange is a dead man, and he knows it…

Rob Rob
Rob Rob
Jul 29, 2022 4:36 PM

Anyone notice that WikiLeaks only leaks the stuff that is somewhat indicting, not the real corruption behind big pharma and the wef and the who?

I want Assange to be free but he also was against investigating 911…

just like Chris hedges and Noam Chomsky, who also went along with the con-vid scam.

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:How_to_identify_CIA_limited_hangout_operation

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Jul 29, 2022 7:04 PM
Reply to  Rob Rob

Oh for fuck’s sake, he and Wikileaks published leaks from 2008 onwards, what the fuck does that have to do with 911. Will you people give it a frigging rest with the what aboutery, it’s so damn tedious and childish.

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Jul 29, 2022 10:57 PM

Imagine being so stupid as to think the perpetrators of 9/11 were not operating Above Top Secret.

Imagine being so thick as to imagine they left documentary evidence proving their guilt just lying around for years on end for anyone to discover or leak.

Imagine having a brain so ruined by Hollywood that you think Julian Assange must be either Superman or Gollum, either a superhuman Good Guy with X-ray vision and planet-shifting strength or a sneaky swamp-dweller in thrall to Evil.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Jul 30, 2022 7:51 AM
Reply to  Patrick L.

As I watched the planes fly into the WTC my first thought was The CIA did this, I have never changed my mind.

Julian is a publisher of documents provided by outside sources, his opinions don’t have a fucking thing to do with that. Imagine being so stupid you believe others are so stupid. I have watched the CIA carry out false flags since 1965 when I first protested the Nam invasion.

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
Jul 31, 2022 8:57 AM
Reply to  Rob Rob

Great article.

Paul Watson
Paul Watson
Jul 29, 2022 3:02 PM

The whole system is rotten to the core…

Edwige
Edwige
Jul 29, 2022 2:55 PM

One of the most interesting things revealed by Wikileaks was in the DNC emails where John Podesta asked for a “thelema favor”. Thelema was the religion of Aleister Crowley (and before him Rabelais). Dennis Wheatley wrote in ‘The Devil Rides Out’ in 1934, “the practitioners of the Black Arts in modern times were almost exclusively people of great wealth”. Wheatley, like Ian Fleming, was in British intelligence.

‘Spies like us’ was a 1985 film. Paul McCartney (or whoever he is) supplied the theme song. The film starred Dan Aykroyd, high up in Canadian freemasonry. Aykroyd’s former partner had died early and in somewhat mysterious circumstances (the cocaine stash involved disappeared, the Chateau Marmont location of the death has seen as many strange occurances as the Chelsea Hotel, Belushi just happened to be 33). Funny how many celebs have someone close to them die early and in somewhat mysterious circumstances. How many people do you know who died early and in somewhat mysterious circumstances? His co-star Chevy Chase was in a film called ‘Deal of the Century’ about arms’ dealing. It’s one of the very few films to name-check Raytheon. The film tanked and so did the careers of almost everyone concerned.

Clive WilliamsCoronavirus
Clive WilliamsCoronavirus
Jul 29, 2022 7:50 PM
Reply to  Edwige

Fleming was banned 2020 by revision idealists.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Jul 29, 2022 12:19 PM

And fucking Australia will sit on their hands till he dies because they don’t give a flying fuck,in their eyes he commited the heinous crime of exposing the fact that much of our parliament are spies for the USA and Israel

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
Jul 30, 2022 4:33 AM

That fact hardly needed exposure.

Paul Prichard
Paul Prichard
Jul 29, 2022 11:27 AM

Your alternative update on #COVID19 for 2022-07-27. Fully jabbed 94% of COVID-19 Deaths in May. Nano metamaterial antennas. Inoculated against group think (blog, gab, tweet).

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
Jul 29, 2022 11:13 AM

Heavy Censorship

Lots of comments have disappeared. This one won’t appear.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Jul 29, 2022 4:27 PM

The database was corrupted again last night and ALL the comments stopped showing. They should all be back now. Where do you see the missing ones? And why, after posting here for months, is your first assumption that we are suddenly “censoring”?

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
Jul 30, 2022 4:34 AM

The comments have reappeared. Thanks.

rraa
rraa
Jul 29, 2022 10:50 AM

I’m going to be an optimist here (self-fulfilling prophecy and all that) and predict that Assange’s extradition will never happen. Nobody on either side of the Atlantic has the guts for that. The main purpose in keeping Assange jailed is to intimidate other journalists. But given that most journalists with permanent jobs in the MSM have less backbone than your average jellyfish, we can say that the intimidation job is hardly necessary.

Taking it further will only make a hero out of Assange for an even broader audience, especially given the state of the world right now.

Frankly, the powers that be are such a cesspoool of degraded inhumanity that what on earth could Wikileaks even publish now that would be shocking and unimaginable???

Wikileaks played a hugely important role at the right time in history, at a time when it was needed. I remember listening to Assange’s speeches and talks before his arrest and wondering: how does he find the courage? Isn’t he scared they’ll come after him?

Assange came across as one of the most intelligent and coherent speakers I’ve ever listened to. So I have a hard time believing he was over confident and miscalculated the personal risks to himself and the lengths to which they would go.

If that is correct, his courage is even more outstanding. At this point, I only hope that Assange finds the personal strength to make it out stronger than ever. Whatever happens, his contribution to humanity is probably one of the most courageous and far reaching that I have seen in my lifetime. I come across or read about hundreds of ordinary people around me whose courage is remarkable (it takes courage these days just to keep going and working honestly) but Assange is differentiated by the global impact that his work has had. And kudos to the team at Wikileaks too.

Julian Assange vs Klaus Scwab. It’s clear who will be the winner for the history books assuming history books continue to be written….

antitermite
antitermite
Jul 29, 2022 8:58 AM

At this stage they could let him go, give him a presidential pardon.
He would never be a free man.
Forever looking over his shoulder, like John McAfee, for that day when he will be “suicided”.

It’s all about the spectacle.
But who is the intended audience?

I doubt that it’s aimed at members of the media.
One of Chomky’s truisms is that the media is already bought.

What about us, the awakening masses?
Maybe.
Perhaps as a distraction from something far more crucial.

It could all be a test for the UK & other poodles.
Force them to bend their values of justice, free speech, common sense & decency 180 degrees.
Make them show their autocratic hand, which will help hammer the new world order home.

Clive WilliamsCoronavirus
Clive WilliamsCoronavirus
Jul 29, 2022 3:08 PM
Reply to  antitermite

It is nothing to do with the UK, for fucks sake other than making sure the clown doesn’t get bumped off.
I’d have flown him to Australia it’s long since been their problem.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Jul 29, 2022 7:07 PM

It’s everything now to do with the UK, they are the ones who refused all bail, who helped keep him prisoner in the Ecuador EMbassy and it was Starmer who begged Sweden to keep pretending they wanted him, it is now the UK courts approving his extradition because the US want it.

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Jul 30, 2022 10:52 AM

He is imprisoned in the UK, you genius.

entitled2
entitled2
Jul 29, 2022 8:53 AM

 Given a sentence of 175 years. Should the sentences run concurrently.

Why would they the men women in cloaks in maritime court give someone 175 years. Has any off g lot ever thought – if we die after 80+ years what is it they know we dont know.

Can prison time / even debt/karma be passed on into other life times.??

If the reincarnation process doesnt exist – why give 175 years..? or judges give consecutive life sentences.??

Howard
Howard
Jul 29, 2022 3:35 PM
Reply to  entitled2

One thing you must never do is question US jurisprudence. The 175 year sentence is not to be taken literally; it is symbolic – it tells the oh-so-justice-obsessed American people that this is bad, bad, bad.

Speaking of the good old American people: there is probably no other nation on Earth whose people would so willingly condone the kind of treatment Mr Assange has been and will continue to be given. And that includes all the bought and paid for nations.

Don’t ever be fooled by Americans Carrying Guns and Forming Militias. They may fear and hate their government; but by God they’ll go for the jugular of any foreigner who dares go up against it.

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 30, 2022 3:18 AM
Reply to  entitled2

175 just sounds shockingly eternal.
It has deterrence value.
The whole Assange thing is intended to be an unanswerable deterrent.

brian niel
brian niel
Jul 29, 2022 8:23 AM

JULIAN PAUL ASSANGE is a corporation set up by fraud. Once Julian Paul Assange’s defence team use this defence there will be no case.
The justice system is using corporate identity fraud as they do with all of us. We are not a corporate ALL CAPITALISED ENS LEGIS.

timasprin
timasprin
Jul 30, 2022 8:16 PM
Reply to  brian niel

I bet they don’t use this line of defence.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 29, 2022 8:03 AM

Mike Pompeo – then head of the CIA – decided there had to be a connection with Russia, which enabled the switch of Wikileaks and Assange from the constitutionally protected journalism field to the targetable ‘non-state hostile intelligence service’ one. This meant Assange could be tried under The Espionage Act.

When Pompeo references “Russia” in this context, it is as a pseudonym for a more powerful state actor which he can’t name directly; this being Netanyahu’s Israel. Netanyahu is a puppet for a globalist actor which some call Khazaria; and Khazaria has tasked Putin with committing genocide in Ukraine so that it can claim the five oblasts for its New Israel project. The Christian Zionists (Pompeo, Pence, etc) are against this relocation, wanting the current Israel to stay largely the way it is; and hence they scuppered the Khazarian plan.

Around 2010, Brzezinski called out Assange for being an intelligence asset; strongly implying that it was for Israel. Unfortunately, I can’t find anything on this which doesn’t go via Gordon Duff and Veterans Today; so it’s possible it’s made-up garbage like most of their BS.

There probably isn’t anything in the indictment relating to the real reason for Assange’s extradition, so I wouldn’t bother looking. I have no idea why Assange is so important, but one of the strongest indications of him being an asset within this network is that his most vociferous supporters are also aligned with Putin.

As I’ve said previously, it’s necessary to revisit the segmentation of the Russia debate. Most people within their segments are clueless as to the overall plan; and are simply tribalist cheerleaders. The segmentation applies across the board, including alt-left and alt-right, but it is probably clearest within the Hate Russia campaign of the Democrats.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/08/left-red-scare-democrats-suddenly-hate-russia
After 70 years of accommodating and appeasing Russia, Democrats suddenly foment a red scare.
By Victor Davis Hanson
August 7, 2017

Russia! Russia! Russia!
The Resistance with Keith Olbermann
GQ
Mar 14, 2017
Everything fishy in Trump World—everything!—leads back to Russia.

entitled2
entitled2
Jul 29, 2022 9:08 AM

Wow it doesnt get any more neo cons than Pompeo & Pence yet rewashed in 2022 as fighting against. Nice PR makeover.
From the same people who repainted Rudy giuliani and Tucker Carlson as truth hero’s in 2019.
They’re even tryied to resurrect Flynn as a “hero of the people” and “victim of the Deep State” LOL

The Q – Trump lot fool for any old nonsense.

Btw your drain the swamp kabbalah hero gave Netanyahu’s keys to the white house.

C’mon guys, you need to trust the plan harder! Lmfaoooo

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 29, 2022 9:57 AM
Reply to  entitled2

Pompeo and Pence are Christian Zionists, not Neo-cons. What if the true objective of “the plan” was to scupper the New Israel project; and everything else was just theatrical deception? That “everything else” includes the White House – both during the Trump presidency and afterwards.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/08/25/pompeo-israel-christian-zionism-republican-national-convention
Pompeo’s Christian Zionism takes center stage
Analysis by Ishaan Tharoor
August 25, 2020

Pompeo’s visit to Israel is part of a multicountry tour during which he appears set to build on the newly announced normalization of ties between Israel and the United Arab Emirates. But his short speech to the convention from the historic King David Hotel will reinforce the Trump administration’s unequivocal embrace of Israel as a partisan prop. Pompeo is likely to tout the Israeli-Emirati breakthrough as evidence of Trump’s new approach to the region, though the real force of his appeal may be directed to right-wing Christian Evangelical voters, like himself, at home.

During a stump speech last week, Trump said his decision to move the U.S. Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem was “for the evangelicals.” Both Pompeo and Vice President Pence count among a leading rank of Christian Zionist politicians in the United States, who link matters of geopolitics — whether confronting a regional nemesis in the theocratic Iranian regime or helping Israel extend greater control over the Holy Land — to biblical prophecy and revelation.

Secretary Pompeo Participates in Q&A Discussion at Texas A&M University
Apr 15, 2019
U.S. Department of State
Secretary Pompeo participates in a Q&A discussion at Texas A&M University as part of the Wiley Lecture Series, in College Station, Texas on April 15, 2019. A transcript is available at [bad link!]

Nash Jones
Nash Jones
Jul 29, 2022 10:44 AM

It was Clinton that signed off on the move of the Israeli embassy to Jerusalem – Trump just went through with it.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 29, 2022 12:14 PM
Reply to  Nash Jones

Trump made it happen; whereas as the signing-off was just a token gesture under Clinton, Bush and Obama.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 29, 2022 10:40 AM
Reply to  entitled2

There are some seemingly irreconcilable contradictions. Flynn is a Putinista puppet; and I’ve been calling him out for some time. Likewise, most of the leading alt-rightists are Putinista sock puppets; and I’ve also been calling them out.

The Trump-Pompeo plan has been to defeat Putin in Ukraine; and thereby defeat the New Israel project. This is outlined in Pompeo’s Hudson speech of 24 June 2022. Consequently, most of the high-profile Trump supporters are opposed to the Trump-Pompeo policy on Ukraine. Whereas the anti-Trump “centrists” (Simon Tisdall etc) support the Ukraine policy.

The plan is built on the principle of “these people are stupid”; which is repeated throughout the Q posts. Hence, my post on July 18:
https://off-guardian.org/2022/07/17/this-week-in-the-new-normal-38

Simon Tisdall is a foreign affairs correspondent for the Guardian, and has never met a bomb he doesn’t like or a country he wouldn’t bomb. That’s his thing. For Simon everything from his toast being burnt to the neighbours unruly lawn “is the last straw” and “requires a military solution”. He’s wanted to personally invade Russia for close to a decade at this point, a frothing Russophobe straight out of Dr Strangelove with no sense of irony, and today he’s decided enough is enough (again). He says NATO needs to use its “overwhelming power” in order to “repulse Russia’s repulsive horde” and “bring Putin to heel” .

I tip my hat. The plan has elevated genius to a whole new level. And, yes, these people really are stupid!

For some reason a lot of people upvoted that post (15-0), but I suspect they didn’t understand what I meant.

entitled2
entitled2
Jul 29, 2022 12:22 PM

Trump licking Klaus ass but according to you he was playing 66600000000000 D chess.
https://www.tiktok.com/@timmyhawkins777/video/7124712247426813226?_t=8UJNxCXkiXW&_r=1

BTW his Daughter is in to kabbalah which isnt christian!
last i looked trump using maga wouldn’t be christian it would be the oppsite.
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entitled2
entitled2
Jul 29, 2022 12:24 PM
Reply to  entitled2

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Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 29, 2022 12:46 PM
Reply to  entitled2

As I posted above, Trump was acting for the Christian Zionists; and they want the current Israel to stay largely the way it is.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 29, 2022 12:28 PM
Reply to  entitled2

Is that your best source? Some garbage tiktok video with flashing whatever and circling question marks.

You’re a fucking joke!

entitled2
entitled2
Jul 29, 2022 4:49 PM

Your so driven by fear of you may actually be wrong. Your even willing to lie to your self. Which you have done millions of times.

This is all you have the Trump enchantment and Q tranquilizer.

Your perfect Trump tells people who supported him to get the vaccine you justify it by saying they deserve too die.

You’re the f*cking joke! lost in the dark who cant face reality like a full blown drug addict in denial.

That video like the million others showed him saying how great Klaus swab is.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 29, 2022 5:22 PM
Reply to  entitled2

Trump says that about everybody – unless they’ve done something specifically against Trump, such as Netanyahu. It means nothing.

And if you want to discuss something else, such as vaccines, try doing so under an appropriate thread; rather than trying to derail the current one.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Jul 29, 2022 10:37 AM

Craig Murray, who is undoubtedly Assange’s most vociferous supporter in the UK, does not to me appear to be aligned with Putin. He’s not aligned with Biden either, particularly. He’s not Jewish, either…..

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 29, 2022 12:07 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

I haven’t read anything of Murray’s over the last year, so I’ve just had a quick look at his writings. Does he, for instance, recognise Ukraine’s sovereign right to the 1991 borders; or the Budapest memorandum? Does he discuss Pompeo’s Hudson speech? In my quick look, I came across the following; and it’s very much a Putinista position.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2022/05/nato-expansion-and-turkey
Nato Expansion and Turkey
May 17, 2022
in Uncategorized by craig

Erdogan understands that the spectacular advance by NATO eastward that Finnish enlargement in particular would represent, is a slap in the face for Putin that will make a peace deal in Ukraine far more difficult. Any such deal would have to be based upon Russia giving up some of the Ukrainian territory it holds today.

There is no basis for peace until Russia gets driven out of Ukraine; and that includes Crimea.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 30, 2022 8:14 AM

Does Murray recognise Ukraine’s sovereign right to the 1991 borders; or the Budapest memorandum? Does he discuss Pompeo’s Hudson speech?

Given the lack of reply, I presume the answer to the questions is “no”; and I’ll conclude that Murray is very much a Putinista.

Fatalist
Fatalist
Jul 30, 2022 2:02 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

The numpty dumped his wife and children in Uzbekistan for this

From his new wife’s play.

‘Nadira goes on to reveal how she was paid $200 a month to be Murray’s mistress while also receiving $300 a month from a U.S. soldier she had promised to marry.

Nash Jones
Nash Jones
Jul 29, 2022 10:42 AM

Only Putin isn’t committing genocide in Ukraine – not according to the locals of Donbass.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 29, 2022 12:24 PM
Reply to  Nash Jones

Like the rest of Ukraine, Donbas voted for independence in 1991.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Ukrainian_independence_referendum
A referendum on the Act of Declaration of Independence was held in Ukraine on 1 December 1991.[1] An overwhelming majority of 92.3% of voters approved the declaration of independence made by the Verkhovna Rada on 24 August 1991.

Yes Vote
Donetsk Oblast: 83.90%
Luhansk Oblast: 83.86%

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 29, 2022 1:51 PM

A fork was stuck in Olbermann long ago.
He’s done.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 29, 2022 2:14 PM
Reply to  wardropper

It’s not about Olbermann!

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 29, 2022 2:23 PM

I know it’s not about Olbermann.
But his picture is there, presumably for some purpose.
I’m just advising caution to anybody curious enough to follow it up.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 29, 2022 2:42 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Did you watch the video?

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 29, 2022 4:58 PM

Yep.
And…?

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 29, 2022 5:25 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Sorry, my mistake for thinking you might have some capacity for thought. I should have realised by now!

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 29, 2022 9:18 PM

These people are stupid!

– refrain by Q

The genius of the Trump-Pompeo strategy for Ukraine resides in the mastery of Stupid. By “Stupid” I am referring to an Alice Through the Looking Glass reality in which everything is inverted and back-to-front. In this inverted reality, your biggest supporters are going to oppose your most critical policy; while the rabid haters are going to be demanding its implementation.

As an illustration of Stupid, I’ll reference two articles and a book by Victor Davis Hanson. The first is the August 2017 article (link above) titled:

After 70 years of accommodating and appeasing Russia, Democrats suddenly foment a red scare.

I’ve just found the second article via Revolver News (a supposedly “alt-right” news aggregation site); namely:

https://amgreatness.com/2022/07/27/the-ukrainian-verdun
The Ukrainian Verdun
The United States is nearing a gut-check on Ukraine.
By Victor Davis Hanson
July 27, 2022

And the book (March 2020):

https://www.amazon.com/Case-Trump-Victor-Davis-Hanson/dp/1541673557

In The Case for Trump, award-winning historian and political commentator Victor Davis Hanson explains how a celebrity businessman with no political or military experience triumphed over sixteen well-qualified Republican rivals, a Democrat with a quarter-billion-dollar war chest, and a hostile media and Washington establishment to become president of the United States — and an extremely successful president.

Trump alone saw a political opportunity in defending the working people of America’s interior whom the coastal elite of both parties had come to scorn, Hanson argues. And Trump alone had the instincts and energy to pursue this opening to victory, dismantle a corrupt old order, and bring long-overdue policy changes at home and abroad. We could not survive a series of presidencies as volatile as Trump’s. But after decades of drift, America needs the outsider Trump to do what normal politicians would not and could not do.

Hanson’s Wikipedia page states:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Davis_Hanson
Victor Davis Hanson (born September 5, 1953) is an American commentator, classicist, and military historian. He has been a commentator on modern and ancient warfare and contemporary politics for The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, National Review, The Washington Times and other media outlets.

He is a professor emeritus of Classics at California State University, Fresno, the Martin and Illie Anderson Senior Fellow in classics and military history at the conservative Hoover Institution, and visiting professor at Hillsdale College. Hanson was awarded the National Humanities Medal in 2007 by President George W. Bush, and was a presidential appointee in 2007–2008 on the American Battle Monuments Commission.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 29, 2022 10:14 PM

I will not make an assessment as to whether Hanson falls into the category of “stupid”. He could, for instance, be a propagandist who is knowingly constructing a distorted reality; or maybe he just doesn’t care very much.

With regard to the Trump-Pompeo strategy on Ukraine, it is described in the Hudson speech (see below); and the overall policy is essentially the same as that demanded by Simon Tisdall. This means that Russia will be driven out of Ukraine using all necessary force; it will be done as soon as possible; and Crimea is part of Ukraine.

However, the Pompeo speech is not referenced by Hanson; and nor is it referenced at American Greatness. Consequently, they are oblivious to what is probably the most critical of the Trump-Pompeo policies.

Michael Pompeo: War, Ukraine, and a Global Alliance for Freedom
Jun 24, 2022
Hudson Institute
https://www.hudson.org/events/2122-virtual-event-war-ukraine-and-a-global-alliance-for-freedom62022

I last had the privilege of meeting with President Zelenskyy in January 2020. How different the world seemed then. But unlike the presidency that the Trump administration followed, America did not hesitate in supplying Ukraine with weapons, such as the Javelin, which broke the back of Russia’s armed advance to Ukraine’s capital. I looked back at this as I was preparing for this speech, at the joint press conference with President Zelenskyy. Your nation’s heroic president thanked the Trump administration for our support of Ukraine in the war and the Donbas and your efforts to reclaim Crimea. A war for freedom now rages in Ukraine, it demands that we speak with absolute candor and with unlimited certainty of purpose.

Let’s start at the beginning. Ukraine must be free and freedom requires strength and dignity. To be secure, Ukraine must always be a sovereign, not constrained by another nation’s territorial incursions or influence. Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is an inflection point in the post-Cold War politics. John referred to my time as a young soldier, then serving on the then East German border. Here we are, that border still challenged, the European front attacked. So what does this say? What does this portend for Europe? How does this war affect Russia’s affiliation with China and that country’s actions with respect to Taiwan? And what lessons must we draw for our security and for our freedom throughout the entirety of the world?

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 29, 2022 11:34 PM

Where does one start with the bilge that is “The Ukrainian Verdun”?

The title is a reference to the First World War battle:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Verdun
The Battle of Verdun was fought from 21 February to 18 December 1916 on the Western Front in France. The battle was the longest of the First World War and took place on the hills north of Verdun-sur-Meuse. . . . The battle lasted for 302 days, the longest and one of the most costly in human history. In 2000, Hannes Heer and Klaus Naumann calculated that the French suffered 377,231 casualties and the Germans 337,000, a total of 714,231 and an average of 70,000 a month. In 2014, William Philpott wrote of 976,000 casualties in 1916 and 1,250,000 in the vicinity during the war. In France, the battle came to symbolise the determination of the French Army and the destructiveness of the war.

It seems to be a common trait among academic “experts” that they analyse the current situation in terms of what is ancient history from a technological perspective. As an illustration of the extent of change, consider the fact that Stalingrad is about equidistant between today and Gettysburg; and with Verdun, we’d be going back beyond Waterloo! There may still be some useful lessons from such ancient battles, but they’re likely to be quite limited.

For Hanson it is a “grinding slog” of “tit-for-tat retaliation” in which the “Russian streamroller” has more of everything. There is a token recognition of “sophisticated American missiles”, but even then Hanson misses the main purpose; i.e. to destroy Russian logistics. This is because logistics is not even mentioned; and nor are satellite communication, reconnaissance and guided artillery. The point about “quality versus quantity” is that the battlespace is highly asymmetric and the conflict is very much NOT tit-for-tat.

The Failed Logistics of Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine
Wendover Productions
Mar 5, 2022

jiin
jiin
Jul 30, 2022 11:24 AM

Posting the same nonsense time and time again doesn’t make it any more credible.
Your spamming the threads again.
Out of interest will you sign up (get drafted) if and when it kicks off over there.?

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 30, 2022 12:07 PM
Reply to  jiin

As noted above under the heading of “the segmentation of the Russia debate”, I have previously ONCE posted the Olbermann video and the Hanson “hate Russia” article. I haven’t previously posted any of the other Hanson stuff; and I doubt it’s worth posting again.

The reason why it might appear like spam is because there’s so much repetitive messaging coming from a seemingly disparate range of sources. For instance, Brian Gerrish and Caitlin Johnstone speak with once voice. Likewise for a reactionary, antisemitic homophobe and a gay liberal of Jewish descent. I think this unity of purpose among diverse ideologies ought to be celebrated; and the appropriate approach is to post a selection of illustrative examples – typically in juxtaposition.

With specific regard to the Ukraine conflict, I’d been hoping that somebody might want to debate the alternative strategies. There have been mantra like chants that “Russia is winning” (e.g. from Gerrish), or that the situation is a tit-for-tat slog (e.g. Hanson), but nobody here seems prepared to debate the issues.

With regard to your question. Firstly, it already has “kicked off”. Russia is committing genocide and the only way it is going to be stopped is through the application of overwhelming military force. And secondly, if I were a Ukrainian of appropriate age, I would have signed up by now.

Tom Welsh
Tom Welsh
Jul 29, 2022 7:56 AM

“Mike Pompeo – then head of the CIA – decided there had to be a connection with Russia…”

Would that be the famous Mike “we lied, we cheated, we stole” Pompeo? That paragon of unassailable virtue?

The trial of Julian Assange – a perfectly innocent man who has done immense good to humanity, at the insistence of wicked men who want their crimes to remain hidden – is becoming more and more insistently reminiscent of another perfunctory and cynical trial 2,000 years ago.

Nash Jones
Nash Jones
Jul 29, 2022 7:53 AM

UK is at it now with Graham Phillips whose assets have been frozen after writing from the Donbass and being accused of being pro-Putin – mostly by those who have never been to the Donbass. Robert Jenrick said Mr. Phillips was “in danger of prosecution for war crimes’. As a journalist?? Jenrick competes for idiot of the week alongside Tedros, the Monkeypox man.

Willem
Willem
Jul 29, 2022 7:14 AM

What if the whole Assange saga is just another bullshit story brought to us by the Media?

Think about it: what has Assange brought to us that we did not know?
– that the US commits war crimes (one could have guessed)
-That crony politicians exist (was fun to read about HRC ‘private opinions’, but one could have guessed)

Everything that WikiLeaks exposed were things that one could have guessed himself. There was nothing about 911 in the files and nothing about covid. How come?

As others said: the litmus test is the 911 question, question which Assange found outlandish to answer (‘a waste of time’), similar as to that other freedom fighter (Chomsky) answered that question with: ‘who cares’

Allright, I know, this observation from me about Assange being just another spook story to scare an eager reader into submission (the heresy!) definitely means pending time here.

Send in the trolls.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Jul 29, 2022 12:22 PM
Reply to  Willem

How many hours do dickheads like you sit around and dream up this inane sort of bullshit

Howard
Howard
Jul 29, 2022 3:44 PM
Reply to  Willem

As an American, I rather resent your implication that anyone could have figured out on their own everything Mr Assange revealed. NO, we Americans most assuredly COULD NOT HAVE figured it out on our own. We’re just not like that, than you very much!

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Jul 29, 2022 11:28 PM
Reply to  Willem

Thirteen upvotes for that utter junk, that bone-lazy antithought. Incredible. The spooks are truly out in force here.

As others said: the litmus test is the 911 question, question which Assange found outlandish to answer (‘a waste of time’)

When did he say that, exactly, and under which circumstances, exactly? I think I know the answer but let’s hear it from you, the Assange expert, the scholar. Cite the exact statement, name the date, and provide a link.

Willem
Willem
Jul 30, 2022 8:12 AM
Reply to  Patrick L.

16 upvotes and ticking

Here is the quote:

“I’m constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud.”
Julian Assange (19 July 2010) 

Reference: https://web.archive.org/web/20100720202218/http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/features/wanted-by-the-cia-wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-14880073.html

Happy now?

Thanks for showing your feathers

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Jul 30, 2022 10:20 AM
Reply to  Willem

His obsession with secrecy, both in others and maintaining his own, lends him the air of a conspiracy theorist. Is he one? “I believe in facts about conspiracies,” he says, choosing his words slowly. “Any time people with power plan in secret, they are conducting a conspiracy. So there are conspiracies everywhere. There are also crazed conspiracy theories. It’s important not to confuse these two. Generally, when there’s enough facts about a conspiracy we simply call this news.” What about 9/11? “I’m constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud.” What about the Bilderberg conference? “That is vaguely conspiratorial, in a networking sense. We have published their meeting notes.”

Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/features/wanted-by-the-cia-wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-14880073.html##ixzz0uFzICyHo

Can you grasp the point Assange is making? Wikileaks published leaked documentary evidence of crimes and of conspiracies to commit crimes. It did not publish vague intuitions or strong hunches or impassioned opinion pieces, but actual leaked documents, undeniable evidence from official sources, on-the-record stuff; i.e. proof. And Wikileaks could only publish what it actually managed to find. Got it?

I disagree with what Assange said there about 9/11 and have always done so. Can you grasp this point? It is possible to admire someone for one thing and to disagree with him, even vehemently, about something else. Shocking, I know.

And I can also tell the difference between overwhelming circumstantial evidence and actual documented proof.

For the record, I’ve been convinced since Day 1 that 9/11 was an inside job. I’ve written thousands of words about it online since late 2001. I’ve risked and lost friendships because of it. I’ve been smirked at and vilified (by idiots and toadies) as a “conspiracy theorist”. I co-organised a big international conference about it nearly two decades ago, at some risk and at some personal cost. I have experienced at very close quarters how vicious and dishonest the mass media can be. There is not the slightest doubt in my mind that the Official Yarn of the Nineteen Deathloving Superstudents who snuck up on America and dunnit is a ridiculous pack of lies covering up a massive state crime that served as a pretext for domestic repression and endless war. What I don’t have — what nobody has — is leaked documents from inside the belly of the beast that can prove the true perpetrators’ guilt beyond denial.

Got it?

When you find those damning tapes of the Cheney-Rumsfeld phone calls, please don’t hesitate to let us know.

Willem
Willem
Jul 30, 2022 1:04 PM
Reply to  Patrick L.

You asked: ‘When did he say that, exactly, and under which circumstances, exactly?’

I gave you the exact answer and now you want more?

Interesting tactic. It’s called the Gish Gallop, and it’s used by people who are either bad losers (do not want to lose an argument) and/ or by people like you, who are into weakening an argument, any argument since that is the task (spread disinformation).

Which is good to know, for me and everyone who hangs around here. So once again: thanks for showing your feathers.

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Jul 30, 2022 4:22 PM
Reply to  Willem

You asked: ‘When did he say that, exactly, and under which circumstances, exactly?’

I gave you the exact answer and now you want more?

No. What the fuck are you babbling about? As I already told you, I already knew what JA has said about 9/11.and when and where he has said it, and I know he has said it more than once. And you still cannot grasp the elementary point I took great pains to make graspable even by the slow-witted (“Got it?”). But no. You still don’t get it.

Or else –much more likely –you do get the point, but you simply choose to ignore it, because it’s safer for your ego that way. Gish Gallop indeed. You are a dishonest timewaster. Thanks for showing your scaly skin.

rechenmacher
rechenmacher
Aug 1, 2022 12:51 PM
Reply to  Willem

Bradley Manning, Julian Assange, Edward Snowdon (is he still at that airport?). Might there be a pattern here?

jiin
jiin
Aug 1, 2022 4:44 PM
Reply to  rechenmacher

Bradley Manning has had a change of clothes in the airport.
You literally wouldn’t recognize her.

NickM
NickM
Jul 29, 2022 6:23 AM

Assange is a self-immolating victim, one of those White Rose types who suffer an inner compulsion to broadcast the truth at whatever cost to themselves. They are physically small but spiritually important components in the cosmic war between Good and Evil.

Another such martyr to conscience is Scott Ritter, dismissed by the UN and arrested by the U$A for speaking truth about Iraq, like Assange but fortunately not muzzled.

Scott Ritter on EU$A attempt to “isolate” Russia and China simultaneously: ‘Two-Front War: Biden’s Mouth is Writing Checks the US Military Can’t Cash’

mario
mario
Jul 29, 2022 6:56 AM
Reply to  NickM

That’s a bit unkind isn’t it? People telling the truth always do so at risk to themselves.

NickM
NickM
Jul 29, 2022 5:40 PM
Reply to  mario

Only in a totalitarian society is telling the truth a treasonable offense. — Orwell

Science is organized truthfulness.

Godstrewth! That about sums it up.

mario
mario
Jul 29, 2022 6:59 AM
Reply to  NickM

PS When I went on to read “spiritually important components in the cosmic war between Good and Evil. “I realised youbwerent being unkind. Sorry I dint read it properly.

NickM
NickM
Jul 29, 2022 5:42 PM
Reply to  mario

Thanks a Lot, Mario! It’s nice to be read twice.

Willem
Willem
Jul 29, 2022 7:28 AM
Reply to  NickM

The belief in martyrs is one of the reasons why there is so much evil. Goodness does not need to be brought to you by others, because it’s already present in oneself. All it takes is some guts to think for oneself.

Now as to the WikiLeaks ‘findings’: all of it could have been guessed by oneself. So if (and it’s a big if) Assange was martyred for things one could have guessed oneself, then that is a pretty harsh treatment from evil over good (as in being totally unnecessary).

There is only one thing I can say in defense about WikiLeaks being unable to expose covid before 2020. That is, that covid looked (prior to the fact) so outlandish that I wouldn’t have believed it at the time. I would have said: ‘these conspiracy nuts went too far’, and shrugged my shoulders. Three years later…

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 30, 2022 3:10 AM
Reply to  Willem

The WikiLeaks findings are actual evidence.
Nothing I might ‘guess’ for myself could be called evidence.
To me, that constitutes a world of difference.

rechenmacher
rechenmacher
Aug 1, 2022 1:04 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Evidence alright. That our chanceloress’ phone was tapped by the Americans didn’t need any evidence, though. It was evidently well known at least in higher political circles. When there was a parliamentary commission to be set up in order to look into such espionage comitted by our ‘allies’ there was literally no one who wanted to chair that commission. The first 3 candidates declined, mentioning bizarre reasons. No one wanted to touch it, not even with a barge pole.

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
Jul 30, 2022 4:23 AM
Reply to  Willem

Harry Vox

Harry Vox’s exposure of the 2010 Rockefeller Lockstep Document in 2014 was stunning. It predicted everything that did happen. For some reason Wikileaks didn’t bring that document to public notice.

jimbo
jimbo
Jul 29, 2022 7:32 AM
Reply to  NickM

appears langley hasbara spooks don’t much care for you or this article

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Jul 29, 2022 10:42 AM
Reply to  NickM

You presumably want to benefit from their sacrifices whilst doing absolutely nothing to be worthy of such benefit??

NickM
NickM
Jul 29, 2022 5:50 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

I have been there in my small way, as have many on OffG. Got the scars to prove it. But still alive, solvent and not in prison; definitely do not qualify for an St in front of my name.

hotrod31
hotrod31
Jul 29, 2022 5:36 AM

This article needs to be commended for trying to make sense of the non-sensicle.
Albeit, is is impossible to defend, or even make sense of the indefensible. The persecution of Julian Assange has exposed the fact that – the UK, Australia and US have gone completely, stark-raving mad, and have dispensed with the niceties, or pretense of legality and due-process. Moreover, the persecution of Julian Assange, has enabled the US and by proxy, the UK, to pretend that they have the right to act as the ‘World’s’ dictatorship. Oh what an illegal farce the whole conundrum has exposed. I wonder if the Queen is aware of how irrelevant she appears to be as far as the governorship of the realm is concerned? ‘Her Maj’ is not looking too good on this one.
If the Queen is truly reputed to be the head of the UK and Australia … she needs to intervene, immediately.

LuciusLicinius
LuciusLicinius
Jul 29, 2022 6:15 AM
Reply to  hotrod31

Why bring the queen into the discussion? Who cares what the queen is aware of? You should care as much about the queen as she does of you.

If you wait for the queen, her son, her son’s son etc to come along and save us from the techno political madness, it means you haven’t paid one tiny bit of attention.

NickM
NickM
Jul 29, 2022 7:39 AM
Reply to  hotrod31

She can’t intervene with the Boss on our behalf; it’s as much as her job is worth.

“The monied men have made of the Throne their hireling’s stool.” — Hilaire Belloc.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Jul 29, 2022 12:26 PM
Reply to  hotrod31

The bitch Gillard in Australia called him a criminal because the documents released proved she and her side kicks Roxon, Shorten, Arbib and many others in the ALP were beholden to Israel and were literally mouth pieces for the zionist regimes of Israel and the USA, they literally marched in the streets when Israel blew up Lebanon (Rudd dissented and called it the war crime that it was and was dispatched by the zionist shill Gillard and co.) and when they blew up Gaza. It’s sickening

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 30, 2022 3:07 AM
Reply to  hotrod31

I think you should know that Her Royal Majesty doesn’t have any “intervening” on her calendar for the next twenty years.

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
Jul 29, 2022 5:30 AM

Oops, looks like the original comments were wiped out, so i’ll try again.

Paraphrasing Richard Nixon:”If the government does it, then it’s not illegal.”

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 29, 2022 7:04 AM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

That appears in our day as the one & only truly irrevocable law.

Tom Welsh
Tom Welsh
Jul 29, 2022 7:59 AM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

And incidentally putting ethics, political science, and law back about 5,000 years. Hurrah for Uncle Sam and his loyal catamites!

entitled2
entitled2
Jul 29, 2022 8:58 AM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

plausible deniability was my favorite quote of his.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Jul 29, 2022 10:43 AM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

The things that got him busted were done day in, day out by every intelligence service the world over.

Pig Swill
Pig Swill
Jul 29, 2022 4:14 AM

Well Assange made deals with a certain influential mid Eastern State to not reveal their dirt but to focus on United States dirt. He revealed itemised dirt. He was always compromised and silly.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Jul 30, 2022 7:54 AM
Reply to  Pig Swill

How do you people come up with such crap.

Antonym
Antonym
Jul 29, 2022 4:08 AM

These United States District Courts for the Eastern District of Virginia are part of the USwamp. The verdicts are made up before the defendants even arrive on US soil. They pretend to have jurisdiction over the whole Globe. They should know < 1% of the world population agrees with their warped power grab.

Tom Welsh
Tom Welsh
Jul 29, 2022 8:03 AM
Reply to  Antonym

2022 may be the year when the Swamp bites on granite. In their limitless hubris, they have chosen to take on Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela, Libya, Iraq and several other countries in a head-on clash of wills. Their cry is, “You are either for us or against us!”

Unfortunately for them, it is looking more and more as if almost everyone who is not for them is, in fact, against them. That’s about 7 billion humans against the Golden Billion.

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wardropper
wardropper
Jul 30, 2022 3:04 AM
Reply to  Antonym

Virginia is a very strange place…
I think it’s where the Truth goes to die.

eman
eman
Jul 29, 2022 3:46 AM

If defendant is not a citizen of the nation that accuses him and has not done his deeds while present in that nation how can such a nation indite him, extradite him, convict him or punish him?

If defendant was not present in the inditing nation during the activities indited, then does not the reach of case suggest everyone in the world might be guilty if they violate any law where ever written by whatever nation state without regard to whether or not the person indited can even spell the name of the nation whose claims its laws have been violated and that every nation no matter the issue is obliged to extra -dite all persons accused to the inditing nation upon request?

Explain how the reach of this case does not indicate that everyone using the digital platform is liable for compliance with every law imposed by any legal authority connected to or participating in the digital platform?

I understand that Defendant was not present in the USA at the time of his activities? Assuming I am right. then
I am bothered by a conviction where there was no active presence within the USA at the time of the whistle blowing? My concern is a precedent may be established, to make the digital platform to be the one world government we all fear? Jurisdiction reach is determined by being active on the digital platform? IANAL but this concern seems more important than Assange guilt or innocence?

Seems to me this kind of case has the potential to make everyone on the digital platform universally liable to all laws of all nations continuously and all at once; the only requirement for liability would be that a nation and the accused must be attached to, or be a participant on, the digital platform at the same time?

I am worried that the outcome of this case could establish precedent to deny all people everywhere their political process and could deny the nations they belong to their border defined sovereignty? I don’t see this concern published anywhere so maybe I missed something? .

It will be interesting to see what the supreme court says about allowing conviction to stand.
Time will tell.

mgeo
mgeo
Jul 29, 2022 8:44 AM
Reply to  eman

Within this century, hackers in Europe got into ultra-secure IT of the U$ military, got unwanted goods delivered to it and bilked it of money. Some of these hackers got extradited to U$. The point is that IT security is a joke.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Jul 29, 2022 10:45 AM
Reply to  eman

Thing is, by your logic, any defendent can claim that their behaviour was legal in one global jurisdiction and, therefore, they cannot be tried by any other jurisdiction as they were operating on the assumption that their chosen global jurisdiction held sway.

Of course, justice US style is never justice, it is money changing hands. Both sides try to buy the judge, or buy those that appoint the judge and the one with the most appealing brown envelope wins.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Jul 29, 2022 12:31 PM
Reply to  eman

Australia did this to a young Iranian woman for the USA- https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-26/iranian-prisoner-swap/11050272

And look what the US judge did – https://www.voanews.com/a/usa_judge-frees-iranian-woman-convicted-us-sanctions-violation/6176559.html – it’s fucking disgusting how Australia sucks up to the USA but the courts did the right thing and we treated her like an animal.

This is one reason they won’t say a word about Assange.

Jeff Carmack
Jeff Carmack
Jul 29, 2022 2:46 AM

911

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Jul 29, 2022 1:59 AM

Test

Thinktwice
Thinktwice
Jul 29, 2022 12:02 AM

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Zane
Zane
Jul 28, 2022 11:58 PM

Another Hillary Clinton witch-hunt.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Jul 29, 2022 10:46 AM
Reply to  Zane

You don’t have to hunt very much to find the witch in Hillary Clinton….

Xavier Delacroix
Xavier Delacroix
Jul 28, 2022 11:52 PM

Has Suzie Halewood not yet discovered that Assange is a stooge?
Maybe she has also not yet discovered that Covid is a psyop?

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Jul 29, 2022 12:06 AM

Explain your reasons for calling Julian Assange a stooge. Explain them exactly.

Remember that people can read. They will notice if you’re bluffing. Show us your best effort.

Jeff Carmack
Jeff Carmack
Jul 29, 2022 2:49 AM
Reply to  Patrick L.

his stance on 911?

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Jul 29, 2022 2:38 PM
Reply to  Jeff Carmack

What is this stance nonsense, Wikileaks publish stuff leaked to them, they don’t go out and peddle their own ”stances” THAT IS WHY THE WORD IS WIKILEAKS AND NOT WIKISTANCES, Jesus wept will some people give it a rest.

Howard
Howard
Jul 29, 2022 3:58 PM

Thank you for a breath of fresh air in this debate. It would seem that Wikileaks did not go searching for sources – sources went searching for them.

So what on Earth would Mr Assange’s opinion of the 9/11 psyop have to do with the leaks he did publish?

Evidently, he would have had to grill Pvt Manning on 9/11 before accepting any documents in order to satisfy some that he was legitimate?

“Sorry Manning, Wikileaks can’t accept your documents until you certify that you believe 9/11 was faked.” And the world would have been denied information it needed simply because of some ideological claptrap.

New Name
New Name
Jul 29, 2022 3:42 AM
Reply to  Patrick L.

Israel

Has he leaked anything on Israel, Convid, 9/11, 7/7 or any of the innumerable psyops perpetrated over the last century ?

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Jul 29, 2022 7:09 PM
Reply to  New Name

They can’t leak documents they don’t have, FFS will you lot give this what aboutery a frigging rest.

Victor G.
Victor G.
Jul 30, 2022 7:57 AM
Reply to  New Name

Thanks for your contribution to the discussion, NN.

Pig Swill
Pig Swill
Jul 29, 2022 4:19 AM
Reply to  Patrick L.

He was used to discredit the United States and stay quiet on the crimes he discovered regarding Israel.

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Jul 29, 2022 4:36 PM
Reply to  Pig Swill

Pigswill.

Victor G.
Victor G.
Jul 30, 2022 7:58 AM
Reply to  Pig Swill

Yeah but the US of As don’t need anyone to discredit them. They do a great job all by themselves.

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
Jul 29, 2022 5:34 AM
Reply to  Patrick L.

Assange has upheld the official 9/11 story. But this in itself doesn’t make him a stooge, just someone with a very limited critique of the status quo. He is still being EFFED over by the US government.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Jul 29, 2022 2:39 PM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

Who says he has? His stance is nothing to do with anything, it happened years before he released a single leaked document and published them, he doesn’t write shit you know, he publishes official documents that governments don’t want us to see, why the fuck does his own opinion have to do with that.

Xavier Delacroix
Xavier Delacroix
Jul 29, 2022 9:50 AM
Reply to  Patrick L.

Plenty of others have explained why Assange is a stooge – a cause celebre to serve as a lesson to anyone else even toying with the idea of whistle-blowing or revealing ‘state secrets’ – or facilitating such.

One of the more recent clues it’s all theatre (soap opera even) was when Assange emerged unshaven with a bushy beard – as if he’d been held in chains in a dungeon.

I find Assange one of the least interesting deceptions, so I have not kept any pointers to direct your research on this one.

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Jul 29, 2022 10:28 AM

So you got nuthin’. It was just a drive-by slur. Your bluff has been successfully called.

Victor G.
Victor G.
Jul 29, 2022 12:49 PM
Reply to  Patrick L.

Scott Creighton can give you a lucid and convincing. account of who and what Julian Assange is … course you’ll have to take the time to read numerous articles and watch many videos.

http://nomadiceveryman.blogspot.com/

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Jul 29, 2022 3:59 PM
Reply to  Victor G.

I like Scott Creighton in general, but not this awful “Aunt BB” sidekick of his, who contributes most if not all of this worthless and substanceless nudge-nudge hint-hint defamation of Assange.

Victor G.
Victor G.
Jul 29, 2022 8:09 PM
Reply to  Patrick L.

That’s great. Pat …
But were talking about who and what JA is.
Not Aunt BB …
Scott Creighton was on top of this one from the get go.

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Jul 29, 2022 10:26 PM
Reply to  Victor G.

Were he really “on top of this”, you’d be able to summarise his amazing, damning discoveries. You can’t, because in fact he isn’t “on top of” anything at all about Assange.

Yes, I’m calling your bluff too. Put up or shut up.

Victor G.
Victor G.
Jul 30, 2022 8:01 AM
Reply to  Patrick L.

Oh, so you read all his articles since 2008 (the ones that survived his youtube defenestration) and watched all the videos? Geese, you must have a lot of time on your hands to defend US Intelligence assets.
Well done, run along …

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Jul 30, 2022 8:16 AM
Reply to  Victor G.

So you got nuthin’..

That’s another bluff successfully called.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Jul 29, 2022 10:55 AM

“…emerged unshaven with a bushy beard”.

Assange was, and may well still be, suffering from serious mental problems at the time. I doubt his first thought each morning was that he must remember to shave to make himself presentable to those responsible for his incarceration.

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Jul 29, 2022 12:54 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Right.

Quite apart from that, M. Delacroix also appears not to have noticed that countless men, depressed or not, incarcerated or not, have chosen to grow big bushy beards in the last few years..I see them every day. Yea, I’m one of them myself. Beards are fashionable (though the fashion may be fading now).

Stewart
Stewart
Jul 29, 2022 11:18 AM
Reply to  Patrick L.

Obviously we can’t know for sure, but we can make educated guesses.

Firstly, note that there are multiple spook markers in his bio/early life: name changes, many changes of address, links to “acting”, links to “activism”, links to a cult (The Family) – all favourites of the intelligence agencies.

Now try to make sense of his “career”, as detailed by wikipedia

Despite his highly disrupted childhood and schooling (he had lived in 30 different towns and cities by his mid-teens) in 1987 at age 16 became the famous hacker “Mendax” (it’s latin for lying, lol)

In 1991 (at age 20) the Australian police discovered he was hacking in to a Canadian communications company – his home was raided in October 1991, but charges weren’t brought until 1994. Presumably, he was under surveillance during this period.

Despite this, in 1993 the unemployed hacker under investigation managed to set up one of Australia’s first ISPs and find time to help er… the police track down cyber criminals.

Then, finally, in 1994 he began studying er… computer programming.

I would add that most of his last ten years have allegedly been spent incommunicado, either holed up in the Ecuadorean embassy or in solitary confinement in HMP Belmarsh – making it extremely easy for him to actually be somewhere else entirely.

I would also add that his highly distinctive shock of white hair makes it easy for him to disguise himself and for others to impersonate him (at a distance, anyway).

So, no, we can’t be sure that he’s an agent, but there are some pretty big question marks at the very least.

What we CAN be sure of is that the treatment “Assange” has allegedly received will have discouraged many genuine journalists from publishing, and that, perhaps, is the point…

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Jul 29, 2022 12:37 PM
Reply to  Stewart

None of this even begins to constitute a case that Julian Assange is an “agent”. His parents split up and he was moved around a lot in his childhood and teenage years, so he found his “home” (like countless other clever unsettled boys of his generation) in something that couldn’t be taken away from him: in developing his skills as a programmer and hacker while building and maintaining virtual friendships in the new, exciting, and fast-developing World Wide Web. Absolutely nothing suspicious or unusual about any of that.

in 1993 the unemployed hacker under investigation managed to set up one of Australia’s first ISPs and find time to help er… the police track down cyber criminals.

Er… Was he wrong to do so? What kind of “cyber criminals”, exactly? Paedophile rings? Snuff-film makers? Heroin dealers? Money launderers? Billionaire tax-evaders? Weapons dealers? How would helping to track down any of those people reflect badly on him?

It’s no secret that he has always hated seeing rich and powerful criminals get away with their crimes, including and especially war criminals. That’s precisely why he’s been hounded mercilessly for a decade by the world’s worst people and now faces 175 years in a hi-tech US dungeon

Then, finally, in 1994 he began studying er… computer programming.

Er… why “er” (again)? What’s suspicious about that? How many other young men started studying, er,… computer programming in, er… the mid-1990s? Millions of’em. So what?

I would add that most of his last ten years have allegedly been spent incommunicado, either holed up in the Ecuadorean embassy or in solitary confinement in HMP Belmarsh – making it extremely easy for him to actually be somewhere else entirely.

Sorry, but this is rubbish. An embassy building in central London is not an easy place to escape from, especially when it’s under 24/7/365 surveillance. He was visited by many people during his years of house-arrest there, including his father, his brother, his wife, his two children (fathered in the embassy), his lawyers, his friend Craig Murray, and countless others (not to mention the sizable embassy staff). They have also visited him many times in Belmarsh high-security jail (an even harder place to escape from), where dozens if not hundreds of his fellow-prisoners also see him practically every day.

I would also add that his highly distinctive shock of white hair makes it easy for him to disguise himself …

What? Having highly distinctive hair (and one of the world’s best-known faces) makes it easy for him to disguise himself?

and for others to impersonate him (at a distance, anyway).

What? This is just plain daft. When was the last time anyone saw him “at a distance”? Well over a decade ago. He’s been cooped up in close quarters ever since. Or are you suggesting that blond-bewigged Assange Lookalikes have been spotted all over the planet?

Thanks for making the effort to present an argument, but you merely confirm that there’s no there there. Nothing but slurs, hints, nudges, insinuations, baseless fantasies, and endless daft dark resentful mutterings.

Assange knew what our lying Leaders are capable of, found and publicised damning evidence of their crimes, .and tried to warn us what would happen if we carried on letting them get away with it. We’re now in Year 3 of COUPVID.

The real reason so many people hate Julian Assange is because his courage shames them.

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Jul 29, 2022 4:52 PM
Reply to  Patrick L.

God, the spooks and the creeps are swarming all over this thread, the drive-by slanderers, the silent downvoters, too craven to show their faces and too clueless to come up with an argument,

The CIA is not amused. Good.

Viva Julian Assange, and thank you Suzie Halewood for an excellent article; you’re both worth a million of these soul-dead mercenaries.. Venceremos.

Victor G.
Victor G.
Jul 30, 2022 8:12 AM
Reply to  Patrick L.

So why don’t you add your own real last name to show how different you are from all the anonymous and semi-anonymous commuters and downvoters. Go on Pat, grab a morsel of that Assange courage you worship.

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Jul 30, 2022 8:56 AM
Reply to  Victor G.

By “anonymous”, I mean they don’t even venture out under their fucking usernames to attempt arguing their “point” (because they don’t actually have a point, as you and that other busted bluffer Delacroix demonstrated upthread). Instead, they just sneak in and downvote, downvote, downvote, before slithering off silently back to safety.

Go on Pat, grab a morsel of that Assange courage you worship.

Quality post, “Vic”. Most impressive. It says everything about you empty-handed flamebaiting Assange-haters that you cannot tell the difference between worship and respect.

Stewart
Stewart
Jul 29, 2022 6:06 PM
Reply to  Patrick L.

You sound so certain, and yet your explanations are weak.

How does an itinerant 16 year old with an erratic school record suddenly become a “hacker”? There was no world wide web in 1987, it was all bulletin boards and usenet over telephone lines – getting “online” required expensive equipment and technical expertise.

Wiki actually tells us he was working for the police after his first arrest, somehow you think this proves his bona fides – and it might, if the police actually were what they purport to be – an incorruptible force for good hunting down criminals without fear or favour…

Is that what you’re arguing?

I’m not saying I know anything for sure, just that he “smells” a bit off to me personally- the fact you felt the need to try and refute every single point I made (and did it so ineffectually) has not altered my opinion.

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Jul 29, 2022 6:20 PM
Reply to  Stewart

he “smells” a bit off to me personally-

How fascinating. Thank you for sharing that with us.

Case closed..

Victor G.
Victor G.
Jul 30, 2022 8:16 AM
Reply to  Stewart

I, too, Stewart, always have a trouble fully accepting the views of those who are dead certain.
Dubitatio divina est.

Victor G.
Victor G.
Jul 30, 2022 8:10 AM
Reply to  Patrick L.

“Agent” and “asset” are two different things.
And while I’m at it, I presume you also believe that the real reason the world hates the US of As is because of all their freedom.

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Jul 30, 2022 10:36 AM
Reply to  Victor G.

You cannot possibly be as stupid as you appear to be.

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Jul 29, 2022 10:18 PM
Reply to  Patrick L.

Eight downvotes for this. Eight. In figures: 8. Eight downvotes for the mere polite request that Monsieur Delacroix actually substantiate his smug drive-by slur against Julian Assange (which of course he couldn’t).

Eight, nearly of them safely silent and anonymous. It’s deeply telling.

The spooks are really out in force here.

mjh
mjh
Jul 29, 2022 3:49 AM

And I suppose he isn’t actually in a high security prison, but in a luxury hotel in the Bahamas??

New Name
New Name
Jul 29, 2022 6:51 AM
Reply to  mjh

Quite possibly.

Xavier Delacroix
Xavier Delacroix
Jul 29, 2022 9:59 AM
Reply to  mjh

Perhaps you’re thinking of Jeffrey Epstein?

I daresay Assange is pretty comfortable, and well rewarded for his role as a stooge.

There is only a moral difference between actors in front of an audience suspending their disbelief, and actors deceiving an audience that believes in them. The latter actors are selected for their sociopathy.

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Jul 29, 2022 10:31 AM

I daresay Assange is pretty comfortable, and well rewarded for his role as a stooge.

You “daresay”. How very daring you are, in stark contrast to him. Inspirational.

Stewart
Stewart
Jul 29, 2022 11:26 AM
Reply to  Patrick L.

Why the anger, the ad hominem attacks?

Are we not allowed to question this?

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Jul 29, 2022 1:34 PM
Reply to  Stewart

Why the anger

Why? It’s a real puzzler. You might ask M. Delacroix, who wrote:

“I daresay Assange is pretty comfortable, and well rewarded for his role as a stooge.”

You were saying something about “ad hominem attacks”?

We are not gossiping about someone’s bad taste in music or clothes. We’re responding to idle, dirt-cheap attacks on Julian Assange in the eleventh year of his incarceration and the third year of COUPVID, with the world going to hell just as he predicted. Under such circumstances, anger is neither unjustified nor hard to understand, though our Leaders certainly wish to criminalise it as “Hate Speech”,

(I replied to your own post above, point-by-point. Unlike M. Delacroix, you at least made an honest and non-flamebaiting effort, so I responded in kind.)

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Jul 29, 2022 2:41 PM
Reply to  Stewart

He is in Belmarsh, has little contact with the world – what the fuck is there to question.

Victor G.
Victor G.
Jul 29, 2022 12:53 PM

Or perhaps she was thinking of Ghislaine Maxwell?

Nash Jones
Nash Jones
Jul 29, 2022 7:57 AM

Had you done your research ‘Xavier’ you’d know that both statements are untrue.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Jul 29, 2022 12:32 PM

Shut you you pathetic wanker, I am so over this Assange is a stooge crap when he has been tortured and abuse for 12 fucking years for telling the truth, You lot are seriously fucked in the head

Stewart
Stewart
Jul 29, 2022 6:16 PM

killer comeback lol

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Jul 29, 2022 7:31 PM
Reply to  Stewart

Thank you, the notion that the man has enjoyed 12 years of torture as stooge for someone drives me nuts

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Jul 29, 2022 9:53 PM

“killer comeback lol” epitomises the quality of the opposition (trashy and childish) and the strength of their case against Julian Assange (pathetically feeble to utterly non-existent).

He is braver than they will ever be and reported as much of the truth as he could discover, much more than they will ever risk discovering or have the skill and determination to even attempt discovering. So of course they hate him for it.

‘I bet Assange is stuffing himself full of flattened guinea pigs. He really is the most massive turd.’ – Guardian columnist Suzanne Moore, 2012.

That’s their level.

https://newmatilda.com/2019/11/29/the-lies-about-assange-must-stop-now-john-pilger/

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Jul 29, 2022 11:07 PM
Reply to  Patrick L.

^^ Q.E.D. – yet another silent, helpless downvote.

It’s sad, really. And deeply telling.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Jul 30, 2022 7:57 AM
Reply to  Patrick L.

Don’t forget the garbage at the Guardian who spewed out abuse and ignorant hate that got the poor bastard into this mess.

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Jul 30, 2022 8:26 AM

Luke fucking Harding…

Victor G.
Victor G.
Jul 30, 2022 8:06 AM

We noticed. Nuts rarely argue well. Mostly they launch profanity-filled rants.
Carry on.

Victor G.
Victor G.
Jul 30, 2022 8:05 AM

Yeah, fuck that fuckin’ fuck what the fuck does he know.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jul 28, 2022 11:10 PM

The US government is totally consistent in its diabolical treatment of Assange and their destructive and democidal Covid policies – they don’t care about the US Constitution or the well-being of their own population.

It must be perplexing for the Lockdown Left that a government that so unjustly treats Assange (arguably the greatest journalist of the 21st Century) while so lovingly protecting us all from the deadly virus

Albert Anderson
Albert Anderson
Jul 28, 2022 11:11 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

Yep.