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DISCUSS: Crimean Bridge Attack and Russian Retalliation

In the early hours of Saturday morning, an explosion allegedly rocked the Crimean Bridge, the bridge spanning the Kerch straits and linking Crimea to the Russian mainland.

The explosion damaged the rail bridge and caused a partial collapse of a small section of the road bridge. CCTV appeared to show a truck exploding or perhaps a missile strike, it’s hard to be sure:

No one has officially claimed responsibility, but Russian officials have pointed the finger at Ukraine’s SBU.

The coverage of the attack – if it was an attack – diverged wildly depending on which side of the New Iron Curtain one’s loyalties lie.

Russian media, and Russian-sympathetic media in the West, were outraged, labelling it a terrorist attack. Whereas Western media were downright gleeful (the bridge has been a sore point with Guardian et al even since it was built).

Russia has somewhat predictably responded, with a series of explosion and missile attacks allegedly striking western Ukraine and especially Kiev since early this morning.

One clip shows a BBC journalist pontificating about Putin’s response, even as apparent explosions begin going off behind him:

Belarusian President Alexandr Lukashenko has warned that Belarus is next on Ukraine’s hit list, and has said he will be deploying his own troops to Ukraine.

Outside the war story, it can be expected this will result in yet more strain on global supply chains, and will likely lead to increased security and surveillance domestically in Russia.

But what do you think?

  • What does this mean for the war narrative going forward?
  • Will there be a wider war with NATO/EU involvement?
  • Do you believe the official story so far?
  • Is this a real event, or is it staged to some degree to increase interest in the war narrative?
  • …and will Russia (finally) stop paying Ukraine to transit its gas across its territory?

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Beanz
Beanz
Oct 15, 2022 4:33 AM
Koba
Koba
Oct 20, 2022 8:45 AM
Reply to  Beanz

a video from a channel called trust your media!? Begone cunt

Beanz
Beanz
Oct 15, 2022 3:50 AM

You guys inspired me to make a short vid, hope this is helpful 😉

Mr Y
Mr Y
Oct 13, 2022 11:00 AM

> But what do you think?

I think that many on here have an unhealthy fixation (*) on WEF and their reset drivel.

*) Love to hate.

plino
plino
Oct 14, 2022 6:51 AM
Reply to  Mr Y

You’re thinking wrong.

Tom
Tom
Oct 13, 2022 9:31 AM

Kit Klarenberg at the Grayzone said leaked documents have shown it was a UK-planned exercise. Footage has also shown a missile causing the explosion.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Oct 13, 2022 9:40 AM
Reply to  Tom

Ah, another convenient leak. How thick and fast they come.

Berlin Beerman
Berlin Beerman
Oct 12, 2022 8:51 PM

Its a bit like the Nord Stream Pipelines. It can be looked upon as a short term gain for the West or a long net gain for Russia.

To me its not so much who planned and executed as much as who allowed it to occur.

Make no bones, the current Ukrainian regime is a degenerate one that acts first and thinks later if even then.

Russia wants to regain this territory without damage to infrastructure, economy and people while the current Ukraine Regime wants to inflict as much damage as possible in order to keep the UK and US laundry machine going as long as possible.

The notion that they were going to somehow ruin the Russian economy and remove Mr.Putin from power has been deflated as wishful thinking.

Russia will achieve its goals. Zelenskyy is there to ensure the price edges higher. Eventually cooler heads will prevail in Europe as their citizens begin to feel the pain of their impending financial crisis and the EU and NATO end up on the chopping block.

The UL and US walked into a trap that was partially set by Russia and most European countries. Some never got the message but they will soon.

Koba
Koba
Oct 20, 2022 8:51 AM
Reply to  Berlin Beerman

Russia should take all of ukraine and deport the ukronazis to Germany where they can pretend they’re aryan Slavs to the locals

Penelope
Penelope
Oct 12, 2022 1:52 AM

For the 2d day Russia struck Ukraine’s energy infrastructure and military command centers. Despite the massive nature of the attacks and the damage caused, no offensives have been reported against substations with a voltage of 750 kW; attack on 750 kW open switches wd disrupt entire Ukrainian energy system. Also there’ve been no attacks near nuclear power plants.

Now 35,000 Ukraine/NATO troops reported massing close to Belarus border. Belarus & Ukraine are still accusing each other of intention to invade. Ukraine has blown their side of the bridges, mined roads & railway lines.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Oct 12, 2022 6:22 AM
Reply to  Penelope

Meanwhile Gazprom and Ukraine have just signed a new deal for gas transit apparently 🤷🏻‍♀️

UPDATE – wait – cancel that. Four (and counting) unconnected people voted down this simple fact, so it’s not true after all. 😉

TDj
TDj
Oct 13, 2022 1:57 PM

UPDATE ! BREAKING news for Sophie & co.
Get a grip on the bigger ENERGY picture !!!
And the future of the E.U. , about which
We all know the U.S. sentiment from that
UGLY MARE’S MOUTH !!!
“FUCK THE E.U.”

Well what is ANY BODY in the E.U. DOING about that ?
I ask you & most directly …

I was one of the ones who voted you down, because, although I think you are one of the finest moderators ever, you have miscalculated here, with both the Strategy and End Game, which admittedly is highly complex. So permit me to answer (your question, absent any question mark) ! Your mind is made up 👆 completely, absent much Financial reality that would be to the DETRIMENT of many BILLIONS MORE of peoples with both knowledge & vision, more than just some Russians, Ukrainians or Ukro-Nazis !

Beginning with Serbians. Then onto Hungarians. What about Austrians…?
FOLLOW THE VERY PIPELINE THAT PROVIDES, not just Ukrainians, because,
This alone should force you to question your OBJECTIVITY !

However, why do I say BILLIONS ? Many surface 🏊 swimmers cannot see the tide,
Let alone the UNDERCURRENT (even BigB, actually) to bring about the demise of the Poroschenko PETRO-PONZI-DOLLAR scheme >>> FORCES are aligned !!! Not just Chinese & Russian Forces… Ask imran Khan, let alone Modi.

Anybody who suggests that Trump & Co. will change the Central Bankers’ goals and
Blackrock’s Aladdin Genie, out of the bottle from 1997 onwards, is either delusional
Or extremely naive. I would therefore ask you to look again at the map of Europe and identify the Balkan nations more precisely and their proximity to Italy 🇮🇹 & Slovenia.
Q: what do you know re. Montenegro, Sophie&co. ? Please me.
Start diving deeper into getting things cheaper, faster & more efficiently, in future , because the E.U. was always destined to fail. I mean pre-programmed to be controlled.
For THREE REASONS founded in Law ! Better said, NOT
FOUNDED IN LAW !!! Very deliberately so…
(There you go, i said this to you, Without to even mention
High Auroral Accoustic Research Programmes ! )

TDj
TDj
Oct 14, 2022 3:49 PM

https://youtu.be/MW4joBpDe14

https://youtu.be/LVxmOTaX4gA

Food for thought… ? Absent any response.
Think Bar>>>Belgrade.
Serious. Constructional.
Connectivity.
For the B.R.I.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ujkQ-P_cHRo

Germany took interest in differing viewpoints … not just Montenegro’s.
A balanced report, considering fly-fishing, onto
Saving peoples lives. The Chinese way will ultimately succeed,
Faster, more technologically advanced & Cheaper,
In the longterm… for collective benefits,
Of whole nations, absent the imperialism.
And U.S. interference…

Take your time to consider @leisure
Kit-Katte-Sam & Sophie,
A Global Shift in monetary supply,
is effectively History: absent further Wars.
Sanction the U.S.A. ! ? ?
I believe so …
‘FUK U.S. FEARPORN ! ‘
& VICKY NULAND.
Long live Chinese
Business2Business
With credibility, in
Resolving problems,
Earnestly & Ethically.
Not like Blackrock !
Europe must decide.
Remain America’s ‘bitch’
Or determine independence.
That’s Reality !
Saudis.
Arabians.
Realised…
S o Orban
2 Erdogan.

entitled2
entitled2
Oct 11, 2022 10:35 PM

spot the difference

Johnnycomelately
Johnnycomelately
Oct 11, 2022 5:41 PM

Have they found the immaculate moslem passport yet..?
not real until they have.  😂 

John Wood
John Wood
Oct 11, 2022 5:28 PM

If it was a truck, who was the driver?

Berlin Beerman
Berlin Beerman
Oct 12, 2022 8:40 PM
Reply to  John Wood

A dead Russian.

Junious Ricardo Stanton
Junious Ricardo Stanton
Oct 11, 2022 5:06 PM

Since the bridge attack the Russians responded by bombing or targeting areas inside Ukraine. Now the world awaits the next move by NATO, the US and their puppet Zelensky. The war is escalating the question is how far will the US/NATO psychopaths go to achieve their goal which is the total subjugation of of Russia?

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Oct 12, 2022 2:50 AM

Consider the situation a bit more carefully. The actual subjugation target is the entire European Union and all former satellite countries of the former Soviet Union. Russia itself is not the target…

NickM
NickM
Oct 12, 2022 7:52 AM

Russia is the target because the entire EU and most countries of Eastern Europe have already been subjugated by Anglo Zionazi Capitalism, and they host nuclear weapons directed at Russia.

Russia with its immense natural resources is the largest European country still remaining for Anglo Zio Capitalism to plunder. The AZC thought they had Russia in their grip under Yeltsin and plutocratic Western-backed Oligarchs. Life expectancy in Russia decreased by 5 years, and “a Natasha” became Turkish slang for a prostitute. But Russia broke free under Putin and regained both prosperity and autonomy — hence the current visceral hatred for that man and his country in “the freedom loving West”.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Oct 12, 2022 1:30 PM
Reply to  NickM

Hello NickM: My belief is that the Russia card is only being used as an excuse for other agendas – including the round up and consolidation of all other petrol/dollar backed economies. Think United Nations agenda 2030 and OPEC control of financial markets.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/opec-body-blow-biden-presidency/5796025

“Whatever happens these days, we have to put into the context of the Big Picture, and that’s like almost always the “Great Reset” or UN Agenda 2030 – their planned disastrous predicaments for Europe and the world.”

NickM
NickM
Oct 12, 2022 4:24 PM

Agreed about the Big Picture, and much credit to OffG for keeping it in focus. But within the big picture (Anglo Zio Capitalists and their “Century of War”) wars crop up where people take sides — usually for ethnic affiliations, less often on moral grounds. For both reasons I am and on Russia’s side when “the West” attacks Russia, because Russia has always been a significant part of the best in European culture: today more than ever.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Oct 13, 2022 12:57 AM
Reply to  NickM

I agree. I studied Russian and European history in depth before I even graduated from high school. My first “girl friend” was of Ukrainian descent. Her mother was of Russian heritage, and lost two husbands prior to and during WWII. Her third husband was of Ukrainian blood. Fine people, even though their English was quite rudimentary.

Russia has been the target of ZOG financial interests for centuries. People keep forgetting that some of the greatest poets, writers, and musical geniuses, are of Russian blood… It is a sort of jealousy…

Frank
Frank
Oct 12, 2022 8:37 PM

You utter twit

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Oct 13, 2022 1:00 AM
Reply to  Frank

Hey Frank. Great job of detailing what part of my comment you disagree with. Other readers will thank you for your excellent insight into geopolitics…

NickM
NickM
Oct 12, 2022 7:28 AM

How far will they go?

“Able was I ere I saw Moscow” — Nappy Leon.

“It wasn’t my fault we lost at Stalingrad” — Adolf Hissyfit.

“Half a league, half a league, half a league onward / Someone had blundered” — “Sebastopol” (Crimea) by Tennyson

Mr Pickles
Mr Pickles
Oct 11, 2022 3:24 PM

A question to my learned fellow OffGers. Do you think that the Nazi regime, with or without Western aid, was intended to destroy the Soviet Union?

Things did not turn out as planned (Adolf, such a loose cannon). So we had the Cold War and now this.

MolecCodicies
MolecCodicies
Oct 11, 2022 6:34 PM
Reply to  Mr Pickles

Both Hitler and the Bolsheviks were verifiably funded by Wall Street and the central banker cabal

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Oct 12, 2022 2:44 AM
Reply to  MolecCodicies

Wow, MolecCodicies. A correct statement! As in all “interventions” of the last 120 years, the Ukrainian charade is financed by international banking and derivatives markets.

Like many others, Mr. Pickles thinks this is the organized “West” railing against the former Soviet Union. The economic situation is entirely multi-polar and not centralist at all.

Freecus
Freecus
Oct 11, 2022 2:19 PM

There is a very strong ‘nudge’ towards a centralized, cybernetic system of governance to be in place by 2030.
Chaotic ‘events’ are an engineered feature that will over time, make the above solution more acceptable to those most affected.
Social media provides the ‘feedback loop emotional data’ that enables the cybernetic system such as SWS, to adjust the ‘problem’ in real-time.
The Achilles Heel of these population/narrative control systems is the feedback loop.

tfs
tfs
Oct 11, 2022 1:49 PM

Has anyone seen the rebuttal to this Russian dis-information?

https://tass.com/world/1520571

On November 6, 2015, the NATO Seafox mine disposal unmanned underwater vehicle was found during the scheduled visual inspection of the Nord Stream 1 gas pipeline


MOSCOW, October 10. /TASS/. An incident with NATO explosive devices occurred earlier at the Nord Stream gas pipeline, official spokesman of Gazprom Sergey Kupriyanov said on the air with the Rossiya-24 TV Channel.
“It is necessary to remind about developments at the Nord Stream gas pipeline that were already registered earlier. This case is well known. On November 6, 2015, the NATO Seafox mine disposal unmanned underwater vehicle was found during the scheduled visual inspection of the Nord Stream 1 gas pipeline. It lay in space between gas pipelines, clearly near one of strings,” Kupriyanov said.
“NATO said the underwater mine disposal vehicle was lost during exercises. Such NATO exercises when the combat explosive device turned out to be exactly under our gas pipeline,” the spokesman said.
The explosive device was deactivated by Swedish Armed Forces at that time and gas transport halted due to the emergency resumed, he added.

plino
plino
Oct 11, 2022 1:58 PM
Reply to  tfs

So it’s true!? There is a conflict and Russia is the good side, is that what you say?? Did they confirm??? Tell me, please! I need another dose of hopium (although I no longer have a suitable vein, but I will beat it between my toes if I have to!)!! 😱 

TFS
TFS
Oct 11, 2022 2:12 PM
Reply to  plino

You can extropolate that all from that Post?

Wow, what an intriguing. disturbed and somewhat childish mind you have. 😂 

TFS
TFS
Oct 11, 2022 2:16 PM
Reply to  plino

My bad, i’ve just read your posts below this.

What pills are you popping? I’ll have whatever you are having.

plino
plino
Oct 11, 2022 2:32 PM
Reply to  TFS

When I read the luminary of the reliable and independent information from TASS, I do it with my hat devoutly taken off and sipping only pure jrussian vodka, Sir. Nazdrarovye!

TFS
TFS
Oct 11, 2022 3:27 PM
Reply to  plino

So it’s false then, didn’t happen? That’s all I wanted to know

OffG should employ you as one of their fact checkers. Or failing that I’ve heard that 77th are always on the lookout.

plino
plino
Oct 11, 2022 5:28 PM
Reply to  TFS

Unfortunately for them, I am too expensive for the opportunities they have. Although recently, one user suspected them of “hiding pearls” and if they had a really big and shiny pearl to caress my eye.. why not. And yet we all know that the sequel to “we’re not sponsored by Bill Gates” is ..”because we are richer than him.” So I’m actually looking forward to their offer in gold rubles.

Geoff
Geoff
Oct 11, 2022 2:31 PM
Reply to  plino

Why are you supporting the Nazis that are running Ukraine supported by the warmongering yanks .an idiot knows what it’s about, totally trying to wreck the Russian economy which will never succeed

plino
plino
Oct 11, 2022 2:43 PM
Reply to  Geoff

I don’t support them, Jeff, and I never would. I’m a Russophile in the gut. I grew up in a brotherly Socialist Republic, brought up in a spirit of deep love for brotherly Russia. Down with the fucking Nazis, Jeff, let fry in hell!!!
Russia will win.

plino
plino
Oct 11, 2022 12:51 PM

I have a guess who blew up the bridge!!!!!

These are the naughty Russian children left out of the new system. Here’s my evidence. (These are some of the incompetent Russian alternatives that far fewer of us fully understand exactly what is happening in their own country.)

“06 October 2022
On the eve of the bright and important holiday – teacher’s day – the president of Russia traditionally greeted the finalists of the All-Russian competition “Teacher of the year 2022” and communicated with the relevant officials, as in the most difficult years – online. It was a conversation about priorities in education policy, its further vector of development, which is approved in the first person.. We received the usual vinaigrette of assurances about the leading role of the teacher and in parallel – the promotion of “digital content”, a unified database of students of the Russian Federation FSIS “My school”.. However, our has repeatedly noted the cruel command and administrative pressure of the digitalization officials and their intention to include every child in the system. The president does seem to be embracing the digitalization of education, even as experts, community activists and parents have been signaling the risks of ongoing change for a very long time. 
..
We note the key moments of Putin’s meeting with the laureates and finalists of the “teacher of the year 2022”, as well as the minister of Education Sergei Kravtsov and other officials. Promoting “digital educational environment”, digital portfolio with subsequent personal trajectories of children, digital “educational content”.. We note the presentation of a teacher from Chelyabinsk, noted by the jury of the competition:

“We know that the order of the Ministry of education and the amendments to the federal law on education (on the right of schools to switch exclusively to electronic document management – Bell.red.) entered into force. We very much hope that linking all schools in the country with FSIS will solve the problem of bureaucratization of teachers. And we also think it would be very cool if these digital technologies were to expand, including into secondary special education and preschool institutions. 

Vladimir Putin reacted positively.:

“We need everything to be standardized, freeing schools from unnecessary accountability is the step when all this is appropriate. Of course, it is necessary for the government to make every effort with regard to the establishment of Information Systems in the field of the functioning of public bodies, so that schools can use it to their advantage and that information comes and goes in the easiest way… what is done today thanks to the Ministry – Sergei Sergeevich (Kravtsov-Bel.red.) to thank … ”

Well, then the inspired Minister Kravtsov began to present the Federal digital platform “my school”:

“On your instructions, we have created FSIS, where personal data is securely protected, which can also be used by teachers, where there is verified content and there are all possibilities to facilitate the teacher’s work. We will work and make such services available to schools and kindergartens.“

Putin was a little embarrassed and joked.:

“You see, this is due to my command. I praised Sergei Sergeyevich, he praised me – we can be told that “the Cuckoo praises the Rooster.”.. Of course, we must free the activities of teachers from this unnecessary husk that hinders work by focusing on the educational process .. ”

What can you say? Of course, it is necessary to save teachers from unnecessary load, but under the pretext of removing the load, as our readers remember, the federal law on the right of the school to switch exclusively to electronic document management, without duplication of key school documents (magazine, diary, certificate, etc.) in paper form.

As we have already said, this transition makes it almost impossible for parents to refuse the automated processing of children’s personal data and transfer them to state databases and registers (although the possibility of such a refusal is guaranteed to all by the Constitution of the Russian Federation and profile 152-“on personal data”). Under the beautiful slogans of “reducing the bureaucratic burden on teachers”, the right of citizens to record school success on paper is being destroyed. That is, only an electronic diary and diary are approved – and this is the basis of a “digital profile” or electronic portfolio of children, through which digital sectaries intend to collect all information about a person and control his fate along a “personal trajectory”.
..
Many parent public organizations opposed the draft law on electronic document management in schools, but their arguments were not heard. And now we see that all this continues to be realized under the guise of caring for teachers.  

More alarming theses sounded yesterday from the lips of the President of Russia:

“FSIS “My School” is designed to unite all regions of the country, including for the exchange of experience.

The main task at this stage of the program is to provide all schools of the country with high-quality broadband high-speed Internet.”

We have repeatedly noted that FSIS “My School” is the center of the plan of digital sectarians in education and the basis of the digital educational environment. This is a kind of “Contingent 2.0”, where a huge amount of data about schoolchildren will be merged (including through the system of interdepartmental electronic interaction) through the Public Services portal (ESIA). Moreover, the Minister of Figures Shadaev in his NPA has already planned access to the PD of children for external IP of certain third-party organizations (!).

plino
plino
Oct 11, 2022 12:52 PM
Reply to  plino

…”Regarding the volunteering of FSIS, let’s recall the quote from the Ministry of education of the Vologda Region Elena Ryabova at a pedagogical meeting before the beginning of this school year:

“Since last year, FSIS has been tested in 15 subjects of the Russian Federation, and from January 1, 2023, this state service WILL BE MANDATORY for USE in all schools of the country. Access there will be provided only through the ESIA (Public Services Portal), the ESIA account is the universal key to obtaining electronic public services and services.

We have very little time left, so it is important to work with teachers, students, parents – so that all FSIS services are available to them to be able to use high–quality digital educational services (this is such a tautology from an official – services for the sake of services – ed.).

In this regard, dear colleagues, it is necessary to ensure the registration of all teachers of the region’s schools in the ESIA by September 1 – as a basic condition for access to the FSIS “My School”, to conduct explanatory work with parents by October 1, 2022, to ensure their implementation (implementation of whom / what? ;)) – editor’s note) and the registration of their children in the ESIA, and by October 1 this year it is necessary to ensure the registration of teachers and students on the communication platform “Spherum”. To ensure the embedding of verified content in educational programs…”, Ryabova gave the order, further naming the officials responsible for the execution.

“To ensure the registration of all before October 1 …” – how do you like such methods of introducing “innovations”? I wonder if all the children and parents in the Vologda region are already at the “Spherum”, in the ESIA and in “My School”, together with the teachers? Then we inform them that all their personal data (about the educational process and not only) are in a single huge database, far beyond the jurisdiction of a single school where they study.

And nothing good will happen to them, but “digital portfolios” will be conducted, “personal trajectories” will be drawn, a real educational segregation will be conducted, and then all this data will be merged with potential employers – hunters for “human capital”. That is, a person in this system will not belong to himself, there will be no free expression of will, choice of profession after university, etc.

By the way, exactly a year ago, communicating with the finalists of the “Teacher of the Year-2021”, Vladimir Putin uttered simply golden words, which, I really want to believe, he is still today:

“No matter what advanced technologies the educational process is saturated with, they will never be able to replace direct live communication. After all, we are all people, not machines, not robots. And the personality of the teacher, his emotions, wisdom, warmth, attention, and the power of persuasion are of enormous importance in the intellectual and moral development of a person. We were once again convinced of this during the distance learning period.”

No sane person would argue with that. But now the digitizers around the president, with his full approval, are skillfully continuing to digitize children right inside the walls of schools, turning institutions into digital centers, part of the future unified global education ecosystem. Of course, global, with a control center outside Russia . All this digital transformation of the traditional educational process (and with digital content and tasks in front of the computer will no longer be the same), together with electronic documents and registration in a unified database of children, presented as good for the people and the state. Pavel Luksha from Skolkovo, spoke in detail about this project in the eponymous report of his International Foundation in 2018.”

plino
plino
Oct 11, 2022 12:52 PM
Reply to  plino

“Pavel Luksha from Skolkovo, spoke in detail about this project in the eponymous report of his International Foundation in 2018.”

https://futuref.org/educationfutures
(Website in English, enjoy it. But… traditional Russian educational program!)

EDUCATIONAL ECOSYSTEMS FOR SOCIETAL TRANSFORMATION

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GLOBAL EDUCATION FUTURES REPORT, AREAS OF EXPLORATION

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A PARADIGM SHIFT
In our global context of increasing social, ecological, and economic complexity our educational systems must evolve to meet the demands of the future. Based upon our research we suggest that it is necessary to re-imagine the purpose and the design of education systems; what we believe is needed is nothing less than a paradigm shift in how we learn together so we can collaboratively co-create a future that works for all of humanity and our biosphere

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The main challenge/opportunity facing our society today is to move toward a “wisdom-based society”, a society united by both individual and collective intelligence, allowing us to navigate together through increasingly complex dynamics

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Through our educational systems we must evolve our ways of thinking, learning, and acting together to address the increasingly complex dynamics of the 21st century and co-create desired futures

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Radical Changes Needed In Educational Systems Around The World to Catalyze Transition

Mega-Trends Shaping Our Future & the Future of Education:

Digitalization:
We are moving into a time of mass digitization in which humanity will be immersed in data

Automation:
We are now moving into an era that could be understood as the next industrial revolution

Transformation of social institutions:
All of our social institution need to evolve to meet the challenges/opportunities of our increasingly VUCA (volatile, uncertain, complex, and ambiguous) global context

Demographic shifts:
Increasing shifts, such as, increased longevity, fewer births, diverse global cultural needs, and inter-generational changes of leadership will dramatically re-balance societal learning objectives

Societal transition towards sustainability:
It is becoming increasingly clear to the global community that there is a deep need for humanity to master the collective art of peaceful planetary collaboration in all realms of human life for our society and our biosphere to thrive

Urban Learning Spaces & Regenerative Lifelong Learning Ecosystems = Evolutionary Learning Communities

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This report features the work of Global Education Futures:
a global initiative dedicated to collaboratively designing, prototyping and evolving educational systems worldwide
Explore with us opportunities and challenges of movement making and capacity building, systems innovation and co-creating thriving futures in the midst of 21st century complexities

globaledufutures.org/

Yes, and I thought at first that this was directly borrowed and directly attributed by the sinister global Centers for 1984-Brave New World-Society, but no, Comrades – this is a traditional Russian educational methodology. So, I retire happy, wishing you a good day. (And I have to posted – tomorrow, the next day-just one more thing, but the “icing on the cake”, about the “strategy for the development of nature-like (convergent) technologies” [short version, with links], which is the future of Russia, and soon the draft decree, after one signature, will become a decree. In 3 or at most 4 posts. And I will no longer write here “volumes” and what else… “spam” 😄 

plino
plino
Oct 12, 2022 3:24 PM
Reply to  plino

I want to tell this wonderful user who put me a plus on these 3 posts that it made me feel amazing, like when I fell in love for the first time in those distant teenage years. It is quite obvious that you, dear user, are one of the very few smart ones here and the only one with the ability to appreciate the important information on the relevant issue. Great man, I like you. 💝 

TDj
TDj
Oct 13, 2022 9:47 AM
Reply to  plino

I like your style, too, Mr. ✅ tack, towing the slowly creeping awareness of the
Moronic majority swimming on the surface of OFF-G columns, before they learn to hold their breath and Dive-Deep… excellent comments Plino !
First grade thinking & way ahead of the crowd…
An uphill struggle towing the Elk.

Thus, my impersonation of the Wolf, on many occasions, to plant 🎄 trees.

A double reward for your efforts to Illuminate others in moving forwards.
Double? Well, I’m sure you noticed that Diva is back (chuckle)
You eager beaver, keep it up 👆
Warm regards
TDj

plino
plino
Oct 14, 2022 7:02 AM
Reply to  TDj

You’re hard to understand, TDj. You’re making multi-layered statements with pretty twisted elements, all in conjunction with facts, many of which are not widely popular. So it’s actually good and it’s a training for the brain.

Of course, we have opposite opinions, but what’s the big deal, nothing unusual.

(Actually, you insulted me in that comment, didn’t you? 😉 )

ps: Yeah, I saw Diva come back, I love that, and you also got full forgiveness in my heart. 😄 
ps2: And you came back at the same time… are you two a team? 😅 

TDj
TDj
Oct 14, 2022 1:42 PM
Reply to  plino

Lil’ Red Diva and the Wolf 😂 an amusing thought…

Howsoever, in answer to your query , (also elsewhere),
I seriously do have a few medical conditions that will take
Time to resolve, leading onto operations, thus my absence,
other than reading. Throwing an eye is pretty easy, but commenting
In a Tornado? Pointless, in my state of mind, presently 🔫
Don’t shoot me, I’m only the piano player with looney tunes
Of future harmony… and high auroral accoustic research programming !

No insults intended in futures wiser,
Except in Tricky Vicky Nuland’s case.
The exception to prove the 📐 rule.
I think you’ll find our opinions are more
Similar than you can presently imagine.
Greetings from
България.

plino
plino
Oct 13, 2022 1:02 AM
Reply to  plino

Podtwerjdenie/Confirmation (from the Western) 😄 

“In Russia there will be a state information system for kindergartens

This was stated by the head of the Ministry of Education, Sergei Kravtsov, during a meeting between Vladimir Putin and the finalists of the Russian Teacher of the Year 2022 contest and participants in the Cool Topic! TV show.

The Minister of Education said that on behalf of the President of the Russian Federation, a state information system has been created in the country, where personal data is protected. This system has proven content that educators can use. Sergey Kravtsov added that this system also has features that will facilitate the work of teachers.

“Until the end of the year, we will carry out relevant work for colleges,” the Big Change Telegram channel quotes the words of the head of the Ministry of Education. He added that next year the same services will be made for the system of preschool education.

It is worth clarifying that the Federal State Information System (FSIS) “My School” is a single federal portal with access to educational content and services. The project is being implemented as part of an experiment on the introduction of a digital educational environment. Since this academic year, testing of the state information system has begun in 15 pilot regions, and from January 1, 2023, it is planned that it will be connected to all Russian schools.”
https://apolline-petit.com/in-russia-there-will-be-a-state-information-system-for-kindergartens/

TDj
TDj
Oct 13, 2022 10:14 AM
Reply to  plino

It would appear that the superficial surface 🏊 swimmers have drifted Off on the
Manufactured Tide of emotions; and due to heavy currents and high winds, they have completely missed their opportunity to vote ❎ you down for your endeavours in teaching:- Deep-Diving.

Their loss, finding themselves, totally adrift in the Oceans of knowledge available…

Keep the focus on your telescope 🔭
I like it… careful with abstraction.

plino
plino
Oct 14, 2022 7:08 AM
Reply to  TDj

Thank you for your assessment.

Abstraction, although I do not deny that I in principal have a tendency to it, is used in this case to defrost concrete covered with layers of abstraction. At least the intent is that (with her stones, on her head) 🎳 

zmej
zmej
Oct 11, 2022 11:49 AM

Two things should be known for this conflict:
First, it did not start yesterday, it did not start in February too. It started right after dissolving the USSR, and changed a gear or few – becoming outright military- with the coup in 2014. Just ask ANY Donbass citizen.

Second, Ukraine is not a sovereign country (that being written, which country is?). But there things are at a whole new level, with total disregard for population’s opinion (the ‘dissidents’ brave enough to speak are simply tortured and/or killed) – here we refer it to ‘404’ country (maybe with self-pity, because we are almost-404 too), it is totally externally controlled.
Remember Nuland-Pyatt talk? ‘Yatzik is our guy’?
Remember FBI rushing in Ukraine institutions right after the coup?
Remember the US-citizen finance minister of Ukraine (search Natalia Jaresko /Наталья Яресько/)?
Ukraine is being conditioned to do what it is doing now for the last 30 years, with several ‘Orange revolutions’ along the way when things got out of track. Russians too allowed this to happen, doing nothing all this time for various reasons.
Just imagine Texas separated from the US and 30 years later being ‘communized’ with USSR-backed and heavy armed ‘rebels’ right at the border of the rest of the US, and on the brink of joining USSR-led military block? Would it be possible?
Remember how Boris Johnson pulled Zelensky from Istanbul peace talks?
Even if anyone wants a peace deal, it would not be allowed by the masters on the other side of the Atlantic.We now see only escalation, slow, but still escalation.
As I’ve written under another article, we expected this to happen in 2016, when all polls indicated “advantage Clinton”. Happily, Trump delayed this for several years, but it seemed inevitable anyway.
And, we are talking about the bridge just after blowing NS1/2 pipes.
How many times did the Russians warn ‘Do not touch the bridge, the response would be harsh’.? And what is then targeted, in an apparent terrorist, some Mid Eastern Jihadi style attack? Does that look like someone wants deescalation and peace?
I repeat, these decisions are not taken within Ukraine, they are taken somewhere west.

Then, on the points at the end of the article:
1.What does this mean for the war narrative going forward?
Military action is going on, no matter the narrative. I get it that for someone on the other side of the world it may seem distant and not very relevant, but it is less than 300km from our borders, and is very very real. We had some Ukrainian water mines from Odessa washing at our shores this summer.

2. Will there be a wider war with NATO/EU involvement?
EU/USA already help with intelligence (unofficially), personnel (unofficially), weapons (officially), money (officially). Wider involvement would mean war, and it is WW3. All actions since now does not seem very optimistic. Voices that want peace are smeared (Who are you to tell, the whole EU is helping Ukrainians, NATO must accept them), and war rhetoric is rampant – just look at Josep Borrell (‘All matters will be resolved on the battlefield’ – April/May, ‘We need to help Ukraine’ – September, etc.). Serbia (which is neither in EU, nor NATO and relies on Russian gas & oil) is heavily pressured to join states that sanction Russia. Why? Can’t they decide what’s best for them?

3. Do you believe the official story so far?
What story – West/Ukrainian or Russian?

4. Is this a real event, or is it staged to some degree to increase interest in the war narrative?
Real event to bring further escalation to the conflict. Someone(s) want war, badly.

5.…and will Russia (finally) stop paying Ukraine to transit its gas across its territory?
Well, some of the gas contracts expire this year or early next year with no new ones in sight (USA/EU would not allow it), so the transit will stop anyway.

p.s. Kudos to Martin Usher comments below!

Red Pill Reader
Red Pill Reader
Oct 13, 2022 10:44 AM
Reply to  zmej

Martin Usher is a disinfo troll who has been shilling for c19 and every government narrative since 2020. Now he’s backing Russia and insists the war is real. Does that bother you?

Grafter
Grafter
Oct 11, 2022 11:32 AM

Forget the bridge. It’s Shock and Awe time.

Balgorg
Balgorg
Oct 11, 2022 10:40 AM

The first clip I watched of this had an extra frame. The flash of the explosion appeared but the truck is still intact. Since then a frame has gone from the clip and you just get a bright flash that obscures the truck in the first frame.
The first clip obviously demonstrated that it wasn’t a truck bomb. But has since been replaced by an edited version?

In an other clip from a different angle is the surface bubbles and wash from what might have been a submersible under the bridge.

NickM
NickM
Oct 12, 2022 8:19 AM
Reply to  Balgorg

You may be right about the significance of that deleted frame. Pepe Escobar reports on The Cradle saying that 450kg of explosive was “Not on the truck, but mounted inside the Crimea Bridge span itself. The white truck was just a decoy”.

banana
banana
Oct 11, 2022 9:36 AM

In my opinion, what we should all worry about is a “fake” nuclear war. With social media being censored around the globe and governments implementing various censorship laws, there is a far better chance of this happening. Let’s just pray that government doesn’t hand out cyanide pills to be used in the event of a total fake nuclear holocaust, a plot incidentally written in a book by Nevil Shute’s “On the Beach.”

Edwige
Edwige
Oct 11, 2022 8:28 AM

What “trustworthy” outlets and science regard as proper news these days:

https://www.newsweek.com/detecting-aliens-cause-humans-fight-each-other-1750248

(It’s ridiculous even on its own terms – the article argues the opposite of the headline).

NickM
NickM
Oct 11, 2022 6:08 AM

From Alex Christoforou:

https://youtu.be/e1zEyd1G1zQ?list=UU6cF_2V1vNKx-nFdGd8cOcA&t=5

Russia’s new general warns Ukraine against burning bridges. Zelensky ignores warning, calls Truss instead of Lavrov.

Tiny Dancer
Tiny Dancer
Oct 11, 2022 7:53 AM
Reply to  NickM

Where does this chap get his information from? He seems to be just recycling internet rumors which is annoying. It’s so hard to get good unbiased factual information, I feel like everyone is selling their wares, or rather is a franchise for the wares of one side or the other. Where is the objective reporting?

Grafter
Grafter
Oct 11, 2022 11:29 AM
Reply to  Tiny Dancer

Moon of Alabama

plino
plino
Oct 11, 2022 8:25 AM
Reply to  NickM

In my opinion, you need a lot more commentary from your team, because very soon, when global partners, including Russia, set in motion the global conditions for a “sustainable internet for a shared sustainable and common future,” and Russia, Ukraine, the United States, the West and China shake hands, those like you will be neutralized as spreading “destructive content” for a “conspiracy.” Putin personally will make a statement on this, I’m sure. (I’ll look for his “pre-war” statements in which he vilified “conspiracy theorists” who talked about a global conspiracy. Along with the” anti-vaxxers,” of course.)

plino
plino
Oct 11, 2022 5:26 AM

“Despite the war, the country’s economy works: businesses pay taxes, customs function, Ukrainians receive social benefits. All of this is possible thanks to digital solutions. The Ministry of digital technology continues to launch new services that simplify the lives of Ukrainians, eliminate corruption and bureaucracy. 
What updates to expect in the near future in Diya and how technology helps in times of war, said the deputy prime minister of digital transformation Mihailo Fedorov in an interview.

As early as next week, war bonds will be available in the Diya. This is an opportunity to support the Ukrainian economy, our army and make your money work.
..
The full-scale Russian invasion has pushed Ukraine into a prolonged digital leap: active military operations, occupation of parts of the territory, large-scale destruction of housing, dynamic internal and external migration require Ukrainians to constantly draw up new and new documents. And since online is no longer a luxury but a necessity in times of war, the Ministry of digital transformation is launching dozens of new services in the app, which is already used by almost half of the country’s population.
..
And we continue to digitize the social sphere. 

“We want to make all social services automatic, without clerks and online. From registration of IDPs to pensions and disability. This is a very difficult system reform because it requires the creation of a single information base. From the point of view of Public Management, this is a very important project: in addition to quality service for people, it means checking information and removing “dead souls” from the system. This, in turn, saves money for inefficient payments, which makes it possible to index others,“ Fedorov said .

The minister talked about the use of technology in cyberspace and on the physical battlefield. He also noted that Ukraine has every chance to become the number 1 digital country in the world in 1-1.5 years if we continue to move at the current pace.”

Someone blew up some bridge, they said something on TV. Who blew it up?

plino
plino
Oct 11, 2022 5:52 AM
Reply to  plino

“The result of legalization. Ukraine is among the top 3 countries in the world for using cryptocurrencies

Ukraine ranks third among 146 countries in the world in terms of cryptocurrency use. This is stated in the results of the research of the blockchain company Chain Analysis.

In turn, the head of the Ministry of digital technologies of Ukraine Mihailo Fedorov noted that Ukraine’s high position in the ranking is a result of the legalization of the crypto industry in the country.

We will remind that the Verkhovna Rada adopted the law on the legalization of virtual assets with Zelensky’s proposals in mid-February 2022.”
https://biz.nv.ua/ukr/finance/ukrajina-u-top-3-krajin-svitu-z-vikoristannya-kriptovalyut-novini-ukrajini-50270390.html

Now, if they build a crypto-bridge from the present to the digitized future… and one bridge of friendship between the warring parties, like the friendly pipe through which the gas continues to flow… we’ll forget who blew up the bridge.

plino
plino
Oct 11, 2022 6:14 AM
Reply to  plino

“This week, the app Action added an option to buy war bonds. During the three days the service was open, Ukrainians bought more than 25,000 securities from the state. This was stated by the Deputy Prime Minister – Minister of digital transformation of Ukraine Mihaylo Fedorov

“You buy bonds, the money goes into the budget. Then the army, the medicine, the salaries of the military are calculated. Every Hryvnia, every bond is an investment in the de-acquisition of cities and territories. By buying bonds, you not only support the state, but also win. After all, bonds work as a deposit. First you invest money and then you pay it back with interest, “ Fedorov said .
..
Just a day after the launch, the Ukrainians bought military bonds in Diya for over 12 million Hryvnia. The most popular were the bonds of Donetsk and Mariupol. 

War bonds are securities issued by the government. Ukrainians invest their money in them and thus finance the economy and the needs of the military in wartime. And then they get their money back with interest.”
https://thedigital.gov.ua/news/ukraintsi-pridbali-viyskovikh-obligatsiy-u-dii-na-25-mln-griven-1

According to unconfirmed rumors, applications are expected for separate bonds for “bridges”, “pipelines”, “brotherly Russian-Ukrainian-American-European”, and other types of bonds. And for us: breaking news providing emotions, and rations for gas, electricity, beans… (The condition of the agreement is that the war should continue.)

Penelope
Penelope
Oct 11, 2022 5:08 AM

Here’s Pepy Escobar’s take on how the Bridge attack took place.
https://thesaker.is/terror-on-crimea-bridge-forces-russia-to-unleash-shockn-awe/

[It required exquisite timing which didn’t quite come off– hence fairly minimal damage]

Balgorg
Balgorg
Oct 11, 2022 8:10 AM
Reply to  Penelope

The first clip of the explosion I saw has been altered by having a frame removed. A white flash begins but meanwhile the truck was still visible. The frame removed means it just looks like the truck exploded. So even the Russians are lying when they describe a truck bomb.

plino
plino
Oct 11, 2022 8:11 AM
Reply to  Penelope

Pepe, Saker, Gonzalo, Luongo, Redacted, Roeper and Alex Christoforou… I’m probably missing some scary analysts, but and these are good for “Blake’s seven.”

//But they don’t have to relax not for a moment, because Professor Jeffrey is lurking right behind them, gathering speed, and he can displace anyone.
https://off-guardian.org/2022/10/10/discuss-crimean-bridge-attack-and-russian-retalliation/#comment-547516

plino
plino
Oct 11, 2022 4:46 AM

The “pipeline”, now the “bridge”, (+everything before that – Donbass, Azov, the violated NATO agreement…many things). And the subjects of the narrative have “the unprovoked invasion of sovereign territory”, “Bucha”, and all the smaller “proofs” of the reality of the conflict… And.. the gas continues to flow, inoculation continues to be on the list, technocracy continues to be consistently introduced everywhere, new decrees and laws on genetic technologies, biotechnology (and in Russia; I posted), bugs (I posted about Russia, how the deputy premier and Minister of industry says that “Russians need to change their mentality, and then food from Lion fly larvae “can get in”, because, he says, this is a global trend and is a good thing)..

These events – “pipeline”, “bridge” – whether true or false, what role do they play in the minds of the audience? I see them as some kind of “anchors” (was that the mind control the term?) which hold the brains in the rails of the narrative (reins) behind which, in reality, runs the course towards the new order. Well, just like those sleeping bodies in cells ,from The Matrix, in whose brains are being projected “different film.”

And these brains use energy, don’t they? And when there’s a lot of emotion, they use even more. If some part of the general energy of the person concerned is redirected to this film about the conflict, and behind it is the realization of nwo:

First, the believers in the official narrative, who are already caught up by kovid and the other new narratives, are outside the potential “unity” between the affected peoples.

Second, believers in “Russia opposes” are mentally and emotionally weakened, having devoted much of their common energy to believing in the narrative and constantly following the “development of the war”; and are also out of disharmony with non-believers of this narrative.

And the level of real information is ridiculously low. In fact, obviously, the users have a few already known facts, and the rest of the picture they set it up.

Where’s your info? Where is what the alternative voices from Russia themselves say about Russia, with sources for the facts? He’s gone. The last thing that matters is what the alternative say and show themselves – not the stupid liberals, but the Patriots – from Russia.

Who blew up the bridge? And what happened in Russia while Putin was making his famous speech (a decree on the introduction of biometrics, much more than so far). What about when the pipeline was blown up? And now, while the bridge was blown up?

http://igf2022.et/about.php
The Internet Governance Forum (IGF) is the global multi-stakeholder forum for dialogue on Internet governance issues which is convened by the United Nations Secretary-General

https://www.intgovforum.org/en/content/igf-2022
Internet Governance Forum 2022

The 17th IGF, under the overarching theme Resilient Internet for a Shared Sustainable and Common Future, will be held in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia from 28 November to 2 December 2022. The meeting programme is guided by five themes drawn from the Global Digital Compact in the UN Secretary-General’s Our Common Agenda report.
..
The IGF 2022 programme will be organized according to the following five themes:

Connecting All People and Safeguarding Human Rights
Avoiding Internet Fragmentation
Governing Data and Protecting Privacy
Enabling Safety, Security and Accountability
Addressing Advanced Technologies, including AI
..
4. Enabling Safety, Security and Accountability

The security of the Internet is under threat in a number of ways from various actors. Traditional cybersecurity deals with the protection of networks, devices and data from unauthorised access or criminal use. This encompasses the ongoing problem of cyber attacks, whether they are perpetrated by individuals or state-sanctioned, and whether the targets are civic, commercial or governmental, and which so far has been compounded by the absence of broad and binding cybersecurity agreements.
..
Our understanding ofsafety and security should be widened to include the persistent challenge of online misinformation and disinformation. In recent years, both have been factors in aggravating the effects of the COVID-19 pandemic and have posed significant risks to electoral processes around the world. This has made clear the need for accountability criteria for misleading content. …”

In short, all the nasty globalists-state and corporate players (check out which partners, stakeholders) are making progress in their solutions to the problem of how to shut up mouth us up about whatever they think is wrong; using AI tools. Covid, vaccines, great reset, Russia is complicit or not, is there a conspiracy of all of them against US, eugenics, social credit systems, transhumanism, climate… And also the discussion of “who blew up the bridge,” or the pipeline, who’s involved, and is there a general mist manipulation under which to be realized NWO.

What Does Russia think of this? Is they in on this? Come on, tell me, commentators with all the facts about Western elite bastards + 2-3 facts about Russian potential complicity + supplementation with philosophies and assumptions. Is Russia involved in this, this vile globalist conspiracy against the freedom of speech of all the world? Tell me? Is that important to find out who blew up the fucking bridge?

(No matter who is dissatisfied with the offg, they put the question for discussion, not forgetting to remind at what time we are, in the midst of what. In most other media, they talk like cocaine ducks “Ukraine!”Russia!”USA!”War!”…Garbage everywhere.)

And…who blew up the bridge???

plino
plino
Oct 11, 2022 7:06 AM
Reply to  plino

In English: https://rigf.ru/en/

https://rigf.ru/en/about/?p=history
“Internet governance is based on a multi-stakeholder dialogue, which ideally includes government, society, businesses, academic circle and techology professionals. This is exactly what IGF has to offer to its participants. All Forum contributors are equal, and the view differences are not to be seen as obstructions but rather as a way to pinpoint the critical points of the process, leading to the mutual success. …Today, IGF worldwide has become a new way of addressing the problems of Internet governance as a multi- stakeholder institution created by an UN General Secretary resolution. The regional and national IGF forums held in different countries deal with technical, administrative and legal issues of governing the Internet in various countries and regions.”

https://rigf.ru/en/press/?v=&id=130&year=2022
RIGF 2022 IS PART OF THE IGF

Penelope
Penelope
Oct 11, 2022 4:35 AM

DOCUMENTATION THAT THE BRITS PLANNED THE BRIDGE EXPLOSION

At the earliest moments following the Bridge attack there was mention in the Russian press of Britain having planned it. However, as I had no details I avoided mentioning it.

I have found the detailed story, but prefer not to summarize it for you. It’s here:
https://21stcenturywire.com/2022/10/09/episode-437-the-propaganda-recipe-with-guest-daniel-broudy-and-more/

Scroll down a bit; you’ll see it.

NickM
NickM
Oct 11, 2022 6:15 AM
Reply to  Penelope

That throws an interesting light on Alex Christoforou’s story to which I linked a few minutes ago. It says that “Elensky” in panic phoned up MI6 who told him not to worry, Russia was just firing some warning shots. Then he phoned Truss …

The British connection? Zelensky has a British passport.

plino
plino
Oct 11, 2022 7:57 AM
Reply to  NickM

Come on, you’ve arranged the puzzle with Alex, Pepe and company and the work is done! Hahaha, Nick, What a cool movie you’re living in. I envy you. 
(And the trolls have gone back to putting the minuses and pros.)

Duckman
Duckman
Oct 11, 2022 9:13 AM
Reply to  plino

whilst your detailed knowledge of the movement toward internet censorship is clearly finely honed, your understanding of british “secret service” is clearly lacking, a more twisted set of homo-psychotic ex public school, churchill wanking freaks you would never hope to meet, capable of fulfilling their masters wishes to the letter.
If you wish (as is my assumption) folk to read your weighty tomes and learn something from what is clearly your specialism then you need also to take on board the life experience and takes of others who have walked different paths?

After all are we not all on the same side?

Uks clear wish to be bidens bitch in this east european shyte fest is clearly evident to those of us living under the flight path of the “top brass” wot , wot?

plino
plino
Oct 11, 2022 10:32 AM
Reply to  Duckman

Let’s talk to you now (once again, I need to get along with someone for very clearly thigs). I respect you, by the way, because you talk about some things rarely here talk about. But in the name of honesty and freedom, if we will have to fight in a virtual fight, no problem.

1. I don’t have any “detailed knowledge of the internet censorship movement,” and in all probability here I am one of the biggest incompetents in understanding the specifics of these things. These things are quite accessible to everyone, and it’s like 2+2=4 to find them.

2. How did you know I lacked an understanding of Homo-psychotic British “secret services”? Because I don’t write about them? Do not many others write about them? Much more detailed than I would have written.
And who writes about the realities in Russia here? How about”nobody but me”? We are talking about whether Russia is complicit, which can be seen from what is actually happening there, how much it is on the global agenda, etc. Who’s talking about this here? 5 facts and that’s it. Where is the real information? And I Leave her and write about the British services, which all the British people here write about in much more detail and depth than I would write about?

Do you think I’m “deflecting” the subject from the sinister Brits and Americans by trying to draw attention to the Russians? Did you see me even once say a good word about British and American services, authorities, think tanks and so on? Or did I say somewhere, “look, the British and Americans are lambs compared to the Russians”? Or something like that? Please tell me where and when?……

So, you and I understand each other this way: I will write exactly what I want; I don’t care who reads me or who doesn’t, and the important thing is that the facts are here; and you, if you want, keep telling me whatever you want and we will talk again. 👍 

Duckman
Duckman
Oct 11, 2022 12:00 PM
Reply to  plino

You write alot, it makes it hard for folk to grasp the nub of what you seek to convey,

respect? likewise, im not here for a fight, i can do that anywhere i please

i knew a lady who worked for “6” in a bunker for 30 yrs, the mysogonistic experience she endured was but a trifle compared to what she learnt re “the bigger picture”, in the off key way she used to explain what she knew, which was at once informartive but “metaphoric” (an inate fear of the relevance of the secrets act id guess).

she put it like this, “its way, way sicker than you could ever imagine and just about every thing you thought you had learnt about them is a red herring, they understand the bigger picture and that picture boys is way bigger than you can comprehend”.

the same lady once encountered a foot long escolapandria (nasty centipede that bites/stings both ends, deadly) when moving a rock on her terraces, she agreed territory with said creature and their paths never crossed again..

what this amazing woman had learnt in her working life informed her that there was no “victory” against those we fight, no “salvation”, merely “choice”, where to be and how to be where you are.

You may find interesting the greek orthodox church view on the role that vladimir plays in this time, all is not quite as black and white as it seems

As we move forward at this hour being open to the “bigger picture” becomes increasingly relevant, we must see past the human emotion in order to see what we are embroiled in, this requires faith, something that we all have here in differing versions.

The ensuing shytefest, psyop, pantomime in e europe is both diversion (granted) and also relevant, being drawn into opposition both externally (and internally) feeds the beast.
Sadly few of us realise “what” the beast is, think morpheus… “its everywhere, the air you breathe ” and so on

Some recomended reading if you have time, a book that joined many, many dots for me, S Asher, “soul revolution”.

We do have a choice, but at this late hour confusion holds sway, the coming weeks and months will persuade many that what prevails is far bigger than global politics.

i doubt that answered your numbered points, but hope it was none the less usefull, now back to some mig welding and the relative peace of watching metal molecules melt into each other at close range, that and the healthy intake of argon and 5% co2 ;0)

plino
plino
Oct 11, 2022 3:13 PM
Reply to  Duckman

You…instead of philosophizing here, read the facts about Russia, which I posted, go into the sources and see them. Then you have to figure out what, why and how.
 😄 
A little joke. (But Look at the facts again.) I will read the comment again, in depth, but the role of Vlad is well known to me (radically opposite to the one attributed to him by many, based and on Biblical interpretations, expectations… That he’s the whole Antichrist, Duckman! 👹  😅 )

Duckman
Duckman
Oct 11, 2022 4:17 PM
Reply to  plino

wow! emojis i feel bruised and battered, not

i accosted you for deriding another commenter like he was a schoolkid, not really what we are here for

“well allow me to retort”

philosophising? beyond my pay grade m8

“antichrist” is not a person it is a movement,

you just keep pouring out way too much content, keep it neat man, i mean who th f are you trying to convince here? some might say yourself, which in truth we all are, trying to make head or tails of the puzzle in front of us…

but one thing is for sure neither you nor i have the definitive answer to who is allied to who, nor if they were, the reasons why.

what i have tried to point out to you is that beyond all this chicanery there are facts, that once known seem to “justify” the actions of those who have been alllowed knowledge of said event/facts

does it not puzzle you that not one of them has jumped ship? what lies ahead ties all the riddles together and neither you, i or dem fkn emojis will stop it,

we will all need to question exactly what is the reality in which we are immersed, its judgement time amigo, i mean that nicely.

“biblical” requires something of a re-study given your interpretation, chill m8, you will need all your faculties for other things, but dissing those who do not accept your chosen version of the narrative reminds me of another poster that recently dissolved

aah, it must be the argon speaking, go in peace with your emojis

plino
plino
Oct 11, 2022 6:14 PM
Reply to  Duckman

Don’t worry, I have a lot of energy.

And that neither you nor I could know – nothing like that. Do you and I have the same amount of information about what’s going on in Russia? No, you have almost nothing. So you don’t know. So again, I hear balancing philosophies. They cannot replace facts.

Peace to you with your written emojis.

plino
plino
Oct 11, 2022 6:17 PM
Reply to  Duckman

And the commentator you’re talking about is like a rolled-up Laterna. So – don’t sell me these.
All the best.:)

Red Pill Reader
Red Pill Reader
Oct 11, 2022 6:19 AM
Reply to  Penelope

If this was British “documentation” the Russians did it, what would you think?

Never mind, forget it. You’ll all believe what your chosen side tells you however stupid it is And you all think the other side are sheep for doing the same thing you’re doing! Total madness

Penelope
Penelope
Oct 11, 2022 7:06 PM

Red Pill, What can I possibly think about who did it, except “I don’t know”?

Don’t think anybody else of the site does either. If you’re thinking to pin emotional dogmatism on ME, you got the wrong pigeon.

Penelope
Penelope
Oct 12, 2022 2:31 AM
Reply to  Penelope

Russian media is now reporting this story; it originates w the “grayzone” sublink on the 21stwire story I noted.

les online
les online
Oct 11, 2022 4:13 AM

Some of us dont think the Russian invasion was “aggression”, here’s why…

https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/some-of-us-dont-think-the-russian-invasion-was-aggression-heres-why/

Red Pill Reader
Red Pill Reader
Oct 11, 2022 6:22 AM
Reply to  les online

Invasions are only invasions when bad people do them.

Penelope
Penelope
Oct 12, 2022 2:35 AM
Reply to  les online

Agreed, les– it was a pretty much forced move. Unfortunately this doesn’t eliminate the possibility of collusion between US & Russia. Collusion cd even include the WEF leaders w/in EU. Why else wd they commit energy suicide?

theobalt
theobalt
Oct 11, 2022 3:54 AM

A bridge was strategically blown-up during a war?!?!?!… Where is this world going. Let’s analyse this until we drop shall we.

Russia don’t need “propaganda through false flags” from where I humbly (yes that’s new) sit. The reasons to start it were explained, Nato is sitting on the other side of the fence, and there is nothing that public opinion can change about that… I think they will all go according to plan regardless of public opinion. I also think that the “real” public opinion is getting harder and harder to get in contact with. We see it on fake media mostly… Are there as many pro Ukraine people as is presented to us on MSM? How come no pro Russia people?… I know the cabal is behind everything… I also suspect there’s more than one cabal. Popcorn anyone? Come on dig in, it’s still affordable. Which brings me to our real concerns…

theobalt
theobalt
Oct 11, 2022 4:10 AM
Reply to  theobalt

Note: Here, popcorn, in my case, goes as far as a metaphor for bacon and steak. Yes I can still afford it, don’t hate me. For how long? I stopped giving a fuck as a resilient mental health management technique.

hele
hele
Oct 11, 2022 2:05 AM

I remember watching a movie in my 20’s- where the perps were torturing the “enemy” by hitting his back with a steel pipe in the area of the kidneys where, the perps said, “the bruises wouldn’t show.”
This kind of reminds me of what US/Ukraine?NATO is doing to Russia right now.

syl shawcross
syl shawcross
Oct 11, 2022 12:53 AM

In wars, everybody is the bad guy.

NickM
NickM
Oct 11, 2022 6:56 AM
Reply to  syl shawcross

“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall see God”.

Putin tried making peace between Ukraine and its genocidal “cookie” coup of 2014: Minsk 1, Minsk 2, signed agreements which NATZO countries and their Ukronazi puppets broke. After an ethnic genocide of Russian speaking Ukrainians, that lasted 8 years and left 14,000 dead, with NATZO building up their Ukronazi protegees into the biggest army in NATZO (bigger even than the Turkish army) Putin made another peace offer, at the start of his Special Military Operation. The British Connection (PM Johnson) flew into Ukraine personally to squash that peace agreement. The British Connection (PM Truss) is still very active in stirring the fires in Ukraine.

Blessed are the peacemakers indeed. But there comes a time when even the greatest peacemaker will take up the lash to whip the Money Men out of the Temple.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Oct 11, 2022 7:41 AM
Reply to  NickM

So you definitely believe this is a moral crusade of good against evil?

NickM
NickM
Oct 11, 2022 2:57 PM

I wouldn’t be spending so much time posting comments if I didn’t believe this is a moral crusade of good against evil; with Russia playing the same anti-Nazi role as it did in WW2.

The motto of our young generation in 1945 was “Never again”; and our heroine was Antigone. We enjoyed “the thirty glorious years” of peace, socialism and full employment with the Empire kept in check by “the spectre of Communism”. Then “the Empire struck back” with Maggie Snatcher and her Gospel of Greed. “The West” (which includes Israel in the Middle East and ANZ in the Far East) has reneged on postwar decolonialization, postwar socialism and nuclear disarmament, and is pressing the accelerator on its recklessly amoral downhill career.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Oct 11, 2022 3:27 PM
Reply to  NickM

I think you were asked this before but didn’t answer. In a situation where both sides in this allegedly titanic epic struggle are promoting identical anti-human agendas involving coercive surveillance and control mechanisms and coercive injection of their populations (even children) with toxic chemicals under false pretenses, how exactly are we defining “anti-Nazi”?

NickM
NickM
Oct 11, 2022 9:42 PM

“how exactly are we defining anti-Nazi?”

Exactly as we defined anti-Nazi back in the 1930s and
1940s: being against the myth of racial superiority and resisting genocide. Hence, resisting the persecution and murder of 14,000 ethnic Russians in a “cookie” Ukraine created by the Biden / Nuland coup of 2014, with its Nazi-symbol toting Azov battalion and its attempt to recreate ancient Chazaria (the largest Jewish nation in history) through Jewish-only presidents supported by Jewish Oligarchs in the Senate.

What do you think will be the future of Ukraine when Jewish suprematist Leaders and anti-Jewish Ukro-nazi muscle face one another in the rump Western Ukraine (former Polish Galicia) after these two allies of convenience between them will have managed to drive all the most productive provinces of former Russian Ukraina back to the bosom of Mother Russia?

Talking of “elite” leaders and “exceptional” peoples, Biden and Nuland’s “cookie” Ukraine reminds me of the successful membership drive by an exclusive golf club: which succeeded to expel half the members.

Koba
Koba
Oct 11, 2022 12:53 AM

Were any dancing Isn’traelis spotted nearby?

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Oct 11, 2022 1:38 AM
Reply to  Koba

Ukraine is practically run by dancing Israelis, if you know what I mean.  😉 

Placental Mammal
Placental Mammal
Oct 11, 2022 3:39 AM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

Like the one in high heels ?

NickM
NickM
Oct 11, 2022 7:04 AM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

Run by dual citizen Jewish Oligarchs, with Jewish-only Presidents who are either Oligarchs themselves like Poroshenko, or in the case of Jewish comedian Zelensky is financed by Jewish Oligarch Kolomoisky who also finances crack Ukronazi battalion Azov in the official Ukrainian army.

Zelensky, a minor movie comedian, now has a British passport, a $50Million retirement mansion in Florida, and a $20Million retirement cottage in Jerusalem for his aged parents. Their boy has done well.

mgeo
mgeo
Oct 11, 2022 8:13 AM
Reply to  NickM

He will be signing many more kleptocratic deals before he is forced out. E.g., Big Agro wants some of the rich Ukraine arable land for GMOs (though they will destroy it with their farming methods).

plino
plino
Oct 11, 2022 9:14 AM
Reply to  NickM

Exactly, exactly. And when we go down this line, who created Putin? Why that we miss? By starting from Berezovsky? Do you want me to fill you with 10 A4 sheets about Putin’s Jewish connection (mother Shalomova, that is – Putin purebred)? How is “Rabbi Putin” Berel Lazar? And why, instead of “Nazis,” don’t Putin and Lavrov talk about what you’re talking about? And why don’t you talk about the big judo-connections in the family, Putin’s political career? How did Unz and Makow forget about this in the moment after the “war” began? A well-respected Jewish professor has said that it has never been as good for the Jews in Russia as it was under Putin. What about this, Nick? What happened to the decades of prosperity of Jewish Russian oligarchs under Putin?

Even here, there’s an idiotically different measure of identical things, incredible!, incredible! Hahahaha, when I read you, it’s like reading those ” slava-ukraini-covidiotes.” It’s like being at a Communist Party Congress and listening to a long eulogy about the moral achievements of the head of state.

(It only remains for someone to pass by again and say to me, ” Why Are you so obsessed with Putin?! What about the United States??” 😅 )

https://off-guardian.org/2022/09/25/don-quixotede-la-left/#comment-543179
https://off-guardian.org/2022/09/25/don-quixotede-la-left/#comment-543244

plino
plino
Oct 11, 2022 12:00 PM
Reply to  NickM

comment image

 😅 

plino
plino
Oct 11, 2022 11:02 AM
Reply to  Duckman

There. Here’s the”local from the global.” You know, “what’s up there, that and below”?But here’ above ‘is the center, and below is ‘the province around the center’, which may be a very broad term in this case; perhaps ‘everything outside the center’ (whatever the ‘realities’ now say).
And who, apart from President Greensky, involved in the demolition before the construction / restoration? Who? Mm? 🤔 

Rikkardo
Rikkardo
Oct 11, 2022 7:08 PM
Reply to  Duckman

Following the reply „from the opposite side“, which might in fact be the very same peple as behind Ighor/Harry Berkut

https://fakenews.pl/en/politics/israel-does-not-plan-to-move-to-south-eastern-ukraine/

plino
plino
Oct 11, 2022 11:06 AM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

And do you know where is the largest and without analogue in the world “dancing-israeli” multifunctional complex?

TDj
TDj
Oct 12, 2022 11:33 AM
Reply to  plino

Did you mean the Terrortorial Army T.A. complex, who share their legal Jurisdiction with
Intel’s HQ,
perhaps … ?
😉

plino
plino
Oct 12, 2022 5:08 PM
Reply to  TDj

I was referring to the Menorah Center in Dnieper 😉 
But yours is good, too.
(Where have you been? He disappeared somewhere…)

John Ervin
John Ervin
Oct 11, 2022 3:52 AM
Reply to  Koba

HA

Penelope
Penelope
Oct 11, 2022 12:38 AM

Problems with electricity, water and communications have emerged in many cities of Ukraine. Interruptions were reported in the work of the national railway system, the work of administrative and law enforcement agencies was completely paralyzed.

The entire political leadership of Ukraine has been evacuated to safe places. Zelensky has fled. “The looting of cities will begin at night. Ukraine is plunging into chaos.”
— Ilya Kiva, former Ukrainian MP  [Really? Looting?]

https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/154322-kiva_ukraine/


Burshtynska thermal power plant, which supplies electricity to Hungary, Slovakia and Romania, was also hit. [Hardly seems fair; hope it doesn’t supply ALL their power]

theobalt
theobalt
Oct 11, 2022 4:17 AM
Reply to  Penelope

I suppose some people from Hungary, Slovakia Romania could answer that with the remaining of their device battery charge.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Oct 11, 2022 12:25 AM

Erm… A section of the bridge was blown up. When things go BOOOOM, shit gets destroyed, and generally people go missing. Anyone notice?

What does this mean for the war narrative going forward?”

More blame games. More denials. More munitions to allow the silly bastards to blow shit up with… Great!

The video reminded me of the “truck bombing” of the Alfred P. Murrah building in April of 1995. The only difference is one was FBI, and the more recent BOOOOM is most likely CIA or CIA assisted. Wonderful progress… Let’s dance!

NickM
NickM
Oct 11, 2022 7:19 AM

“most likely CIA or CIA assisted”

Don’t forget the British Connection. Alex Christoforou relays a rumour that Elensky phoned MI6 in panic. Alex also reproves the Ukrainian president for phoning the belligerent Truss when he should be phoning the diplomatic Lavrov.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Oct 11, 2022 1:48 PM
Reply to  NickM

Rumors have about the same significance as lies. Whilst it might be true that Zelensky was not informed ahead of time – regarding the bombing, I don’t believe he’s misinformed regarding MI6 operations and objectives.

The Ukrainian people will continue to be mislead by this piss-ant joker, until he’s summarily executed.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Oct 10, 2022 11:22 PM

A few days ago, then, the news that there are four holes in the Nord Stream pipelines, that unimaginably large amounts of gas are leaking out. In almost all media, the culprit of this inconceivable act is quickly established: Russia. Cui bono? Almost no one asks this question. (…)

I was once a student at Amherst College. It is a cadre mishmash of the powerful and the rich for the rulers in the USA and almost worldwide. The coming ruling class meets there. The Masters of the Universe.

One of my soccer partners, for example, was Prince Albert of Monaco. (…)

At first I was flabbergasted. I didn’t want to believe the matter-of-factness with which American hegemony was and is taught there. Amherst is called Liberal Arts College. Liberal? Imperial. There I learned that the U.S. is always about itself.

In 1980, when the U.S. played ice hockey against the Soviet Union at the Winter Olympics in Lake Placid, we were given T-shirts by the student council. On them: a dorky, ugly, angry bear with a puck in red-white-and-blue, the colors of the U.S., banging against its head so that blood spurted, and above it the inscription, “Puck you, Russia!”

After a while I became afraid of this imperial indoctrination, these three pillars of aggressive Americanism: “God’s Own Country”. So: God’s state. Chosen People. “Manifest Destiny”: it is our destiny to make the world in our image. “Monroe Doctrine”: the legitimization of worldwide expansion. And above it all: You are American. You are free. Our system works. We are Number One.

One more thing: A country that manages to process gigantic land theft, a genocide of millions of people into Wild West (joke) films: brave white man against evil red man, brave white man must protect white woman from kidnapping, rape from red man, brave white man may do what he wants, he has God on his side – I trust them with quite a lot.

The Russians are trusted with everything. That is the consensus. The Americans don’t. Maybe that’s a mistake.

Kissinger again, this time in the original: “To be an enemy of America can be dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal.” This is matched by a thought from probably the best-known critic of U.S. policy, Noam Chomsky: “The Americans are fighting the Russians to the last Ukrainian.”

Presumably it will be a very long time before the world learns, if ever, who perforated those tubes and why and how.

Whoever committed this insane act wants further escalations. He cold-bloodedly accepts that now it can really come to the extreme: the third world war.

By: Arno Luik

mgeo
mgeo
Oct 11, 2022 8:26 AM
Reply to  Veri Tas

Every empire drowns in ignorance and hubris. Moreover, the ultra-rich find it far simpler and more profitable to exploit citizens (tyranny) rather foreigners (imperialism). We may not have to wait very long.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Oct 10, 2022 11:15 PM

Hot off the press:

The Russian Foreign Ministry has announced the blowing up of the Kremlin. Because the Russians’ previous attacks against their own pipelines and against their own units at the Ukrainian nuclear power plant in Zaporizhzhya had not yet resulted in the NATO cave-in expected by the Russian General Staff, tougher measures would now be taken against Russian interests. “Next, we’ll blow up the Kremlin,” a Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman said, “which is just the logical continuation of our previous strategy.” 

(satire)

Red Pill Reader
Red Pill Reader
Oct 11, 2022 6:29 AM
Reply to  Veri Tas

None of the attacks in anything has so far seriously compromised any infrastructure on either side. As for the pipeline we don’t even know anything happened to it all. All we’ve got us some pictures of bubbles.

You have no idea you’re being just as gullible as the guys who believe western propaganda do you? You’re so brainwashed you literally think only one side lies. It’s scary how many there are thinking like that on both fake sides. Two zombie armies punching each other to death to defend their favorite of liars and murderers,.

wardropper
wardropper
Oct 10, 2022 11:11 PM

I think we’re living on an ‘alleged’ earth, where nobody’s word about anything at all is to be taken at face value.
I suppose it’s the price which has to be paid for the gift of individual human consciousness, but there are, frankly, as many stories out there as there are people.

While WTC7 compels me to oppose the ‘official’ story because of my life experience, my scientific literacy, my general intelligence and the evidence of all the available footage, whatever happens in Ukraine/Crimea/Russia is beyond the scope of any context that I can make use of.
The only narrative I have access to is what the mainstream media choose to spew at me – and they lie constantly – so it seems to me only logical to back off and get on with a life that actually makes some sense to me, here, where I live, and to offer prayers of thanks that I don’t live in a war-torn country at present.

Yes, that sounds pathetic, selfish and un-courageous at first, but what do you want?
A 75-year-old man gets on the next flight to Ukraine and starts waving a placard around which says, “Shame on you, Russia!”, or “Nazis out of Ukraine, NOW!”, without having the faintest idea who the good guys are, or who the bad guys are.

I think we all know what good that would do… but maybe an organized OffGuardian trip to Ukraine for regular readers and commenters would teach us something…?

John Ervin
John Ervin
Oct 10, 2022 11:34 PM
Reply to  wardropper

My “favorite Dominican” (O.P., “Order of Preachers”) once said, “Humility also includes, sometimes, admitting there’s just so much there, and no more” referring to our personal supplies. He also gave a talk, for his missions, titled: ‘Push over, before you get knocked over” LOL.

I have often read that in my own travels, as taking a reality check, more early, more often, on “when to run away and live to fight another day.” Not a bug, but a feature, of the long way of patience.

Too often, it seems, a hard call, but clearly crucial. If in “economic” realities alone.

But no doubt you know that.

wardropper
wardropper
Oct 11, 2022 1:22 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

Yes. The way of patience is, of course, long, but then, who’s in such a hurry…?

John Ervin
John Ervin
Oct 11, 2022 3:55 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Ancient Chinese saying: “Make haste slowly.”

(Possibly how s/he got to be so ancient?)

NickM
NickM
Oct 11, 2022 7:56 AM
Reply to  wardropper

“A 75-year-old man”

75 is a little too young to remember WW2. Start with a book, “The Chamberlain-Hitler Collusion”. How Britain and France encouraged Poland to reject Stalin’s offer of an Anti-Nazi pact, and join Nazi Germany in the rape and dismemberment of Czechoslovakia. It was only when our treacherous attack dog, Hitler, turned around and bit the hands that fed him (attacked Poland, France and UK) then turned round again and attacked Russia, that we “Western Democracies” reluctantly joined Russia’s anti-Nazi alliance.
The West never opened up a Western front against the Axis: we just sat back and watched Hitler and Russia slug it out until after the Battle of Kursk, when the Red Flag was flying over the Reichstag.
Kursk would be a good place to get the feel of Russia in a tight corner. You will see that the Ukraine today is simply unfinished business from European history. At some time or another Sweden, France and 1930s Europe have all felt the lure of Russia’s vast resources, sparsely occupied by a relatively small (and “backward”) population. For instance, the Ukraina was a relatively small part of Russia; yet Ukraine on its own is a very large and rich country. And a major part of Ukraine has now rejoined the Mother country.
The Leaders of Ukraine have no more power than the Leaders of Western Europe: they are all in the pay (or hoping to be in the pay) of Global Capitalism. That much OffG has got right. Capitalism & Colonialism vs Communism and Autonomy is a much bigger battle than “Russia vs the West”: it includes China, Iran and other members of Shangai Coop. Ultimately it is an even bigger war: “for we wrestle not only against flesh and blood”.

Derek
Derek
Oct 11, 2022 12:06 PM
Reply to  NickM

Hitler, turned around and bit the hands that fed him (attacked Poland, France and UK) 

You forget France invaded Germany on 7 September 1939 a full 9 months before Germany invaded France!

The West never opened up a Western front against the Axis: we just sat back and watched Hitler and Russia slug it out until after the Battle of Kursk, when the Red Flag was flying over the Reichstag.

lol where do you get your history from – your seriously telling us D Day came after the soviet flag was flying over the Reichstag?
You also forget the Allied invasion of Italy 3 September 1943 three months after Kursk.
Forgetful aren’t you?

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Oct 11, 2022 3:54 PM
Reply to  Derek

Derek
He also forgot the significance in present context Kharkov ’41 and Volgograd virually a year later.

NickM
NickM
Oct 11, 2022 3:55 PM
Reply to  Derek

I said, “after” the battle of Kursk (1943). D-day was 1944, after the battle of Kursk. Until then the Anglo Allies just sat on their hands and watched the Red Army chew up 80% of Hitler’s Wehrmacht at Kursk. The West never faced more than the bear-hugged rump of the Wehrmacht — except at Dunkirk where the British Army very sensibly scuttled off to escape being rounded up like their French allies, and waited for Roosevelt to drag the U$A into WW2.

Italy being invaded in 1943 (“three months after Kursk” — you said it not me) was a late show and a side show. Their soldiers very sensibly did not want to fight, and their partisans hung the Duce from his own balcony.

Monty being despatched early against Rommel was just Anglo Oil companies protecting their colonial assets in North Africa and the Middle East.

The West never opened up a Western Front, as requested by Stalin, until after the battle of Kursk.

Velvet Revolution
Velvet Revolution
Oct 11, 2022 6:04 PM
Reply to  wardropper

An organized trip to Ukraine to observe and report would be great. After all, there seems no problems of getting into or out of this war zone/Hollywood movie set.

boxofcrayons
boxofcrayons
Oct 10, 2022 11:08 PM

I see, smoke and mirrors, and plenty that are getting high on the fumes and salivating at their reflected bias. Good to see that the majority here, aren’t so easily affected.

Red Pill Reader
Red Pill Reader
Oct 11, 2022 6:31 AM
Reply to  boxofcrayons

+100

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Oct 10, 2022 11:05 PM

I think this attack and the one on the NS1 & 2 is more than just about “depending on which side of the New Iron Curtain one’s loyalties lie.”

With this one there does not yet appear to be much evidence, though motive is certainly there for the Ukraine side. With the NS1&2 attack there is ample evidence plus motive to show who did it.

And just because most admit to whodunnit on NS1&2, doesn’t mean they are Putin groupies and condone the invasion of Russia.

NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
Oct 10, 2022 10:53 PM

It’s just a game of bridge the Olympians are playing.

Velvet Revolution
Velvet Revolution
Oct 10, 2022 10:36 PM

War is the biggest business on the planet. US funding for Ukraine until 2032? Looks like they are in for the long haul. https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2022-09/hr6833-CA.pdf

Stop The Prison Mentality
Stop The Prison Mentality
Oct 10, 2022 10:33 PM

The real prize is CBDC.

I’ve noticed a bit of a trend, but it could just be me. The legacy media run some actual true articles about CBDCs, then within a day something warlike happens and gets smashed all over the headlines and the CBDCs are gone again.

It’s kinda the same thing that’s always happened. The truth is always out there and it’s always published. I remember when I was a kid, and before Mel Gibson was a conspiracy theorist, the truth was more often that not a 2/3 paragraph article on the inside column of page 5 or 6.

John
John
Oct 10, 2022 10:41 PM

The CBDC may be rejected. Russia and China’s gold holdings will determine the outcome. The real question is do the International Bankers want to be top of the pile in 15% of the world (the bankrupt West) and not rule the the rest? I think the BIS is already talking to China and Russia and will end up betraying the West to retain some monetary relevance.

Velvet Revolution
Velvet Revolution
Oct 10, 2022 11:01 PM

Just one of the coveted (and crucial) goals for the NWO.

Stephen
Stephen
Oct 10, 2022 10:14 PM

Soft chess moves do exploit useful distraction, but from what? The outright lunacy of War is altogether subhuman. What else is needed for a humanist solution such as negotiation for peace!

Pig Swill
Pig Swill
Oct 10, 2022 9:20 PM

It’s getting harder and harder to keep up with all these bridge and pipeline bombings. Lucky we have mature adults in charge of these situations just like during Covid. I’m sure everything will be just fine.

Francis Crowe
Francis Crowe
Oct 10, 2022 9:20 PM
wardropper
wardropper
Oct 11, 2022 1:23 AM
Reply to  Francis Crowe

It’s about time the IMF went into recession…

Velvet Revolution
Velvet Revolution
Oct 10, 2022 9:06 PM

To answer all the questions at once, in my opinion, this is all part of the plan for the New World Order and the Great Reset. Russia is in on it with everyone else (to a certain degree).

If Russia really wanted to destroy and take over Ukraine, they would have a massive bombing campaign, wipe out the supply lines (no NATO weapons getting in – or the Ukrainian president getting out for meetings – or EU officials getting in) and take the territory.

We have not seen this. Russia is basically letting them do what they want – rearm, delegates in and out, and most of all, they keep the gas flowing. In a ‘real’ war, all this would not be possible.

Would never happen.

mariusmioc
mariusmioc
Oct 10, 2022 11:24 PM

Russia may want to wipe out supply lines and take the teritorry, but Russia is no so powerfull to obtain everything it wants

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Oct 10, 2022 11:48 PM

Am not so sure slowing down halting attacking supplies are variable options with Modernist European Warfare. On land , Yugoslavia is an example it’s a long time since I looked how weaponry effected the earth and people living there.
The old adage including forgotten move on with past Histories appears to be something readily available. People tend not to even look when the Monument falls or torn down.

eman
eman
Oct 11, 2022 2:17 AM

I think certain Bolshevistic remnants from the USSR that still live in what is now the Russian Federation are very different from most of the Russian people now. Many of the Bolshevik would like to be in on it<= as you suggest, but most of the Bolshevik are wealthy Oligarchs, not happy with Putin because he has taken their political power away and slowed their corruptions. The communist USSR government no longer is the government in RUSSIA.

Putin and the Christian side of Russia seem to be fighting for domestic nation state sovereignty.
Who governs who is decided by one of two theories: the strongest nation theory<=the strong nation decides who it wants to govern, or the self determination theory 95% of the vote from the voters in each one of the different provinces] to no longer be part of Ukraine as did Crimea in 2014 , instead, the voters elected to be Russian and to detach themselves from Ukraine.

Before the SMO Special Military Operation it is said that Ukraine killed at least 14,000 Russian speaking people, who live in one of those 4 Eastern Ukraine now Russian Provinces. It was against Ukrainian law not to speak Russia, even if Russia was the native tongue.

if you have not read this speech,translated into English, you might find it interesting.
https://thesaker.is/putins-september-30-2022-speech-a-commented-reading/

this is my understanding maybe it is wrong.. maybe right.. I would be interested to hear more.. thanks for your comment.

I think Putin believes most of the People in Eastern Ukraine are historically and genetically Russian and he does not want to kill them or destroy the infra structure that supports their quality of life. Again I could be wrong..

Antonym
Antonym
Oct 11, 2022 4:05 AM

Putin didn’t yet destroy much Ukraine infrastructure because many Russian speakers – and fans – live there too. Who bombs his own potential allies?

By over-imagining this “great reset” everywhere you expose yourself to justified ridicule on conspiracy theories, false faith in computer simulations, irrational-ism and ultimately giving the WEF jokers a leg up by painting them invincible. They are not: they are just greedy Homo sapiens on steroids, with all warts this current dominant species has. Drunk on power, money and sex and coming through a feeble psychology. Big egos possessed by earthly possessions.

Velvet Revolution
Velvet Revolution
Oct 11, 2022 9:29 AM
Reply to  Antonym

Of course the WEF jokers are not invincible or superhuman.

They are just the frontmen (and women) for the private organizations that steer the global agenda through international bodies like the UN, WEF, IMF (etc) through the coveted ‘Public-Private Partnerships’ mechanism. This PPP is where much of the power to implement policy lies.

There is no more influence from individual sovereign states who are members of these organizations to steer policy one way or the other, rather, they are given instructions by the private interests through the PPP and must abide and adopt policies in their countries as directed – even if it goes against the well-being of their own citizens.

Should they not adopt these (PPP) policies, they will be shut out and cut off from finance, trade and energy with the rest of the world (that they want to be a part of) forcing their country and citizens to collapse.

We saw this very well with COVID, now with the manufactured energy crisis in Europe, and there is more to come…

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Oct 10, 2022 9:00 PM

I’ve not yet seen a convincing explanation for the bridge explosion and I think the US/Ukraine military may have some undisclosed weapon. The “wake” in the water which becomes visible half a second before the explosion is presumably connected in some way. The truck is near the middle of the next span when the explosion happens, so is unlikely to be the source.

At 0:05 – Note the blown-out crash barriers and stanchions on both the collapsed and intact spans. Also, the kink on the intact span.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/xylt19/footage_of_the_aftermath_crimea_bridge

Although the surface blackening probably indicates the location of the explosion, it’s possible (perhaps) it came from one of the train containers exploding.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/xzhjqa/maxar_satellite_image_of_the_destroyed_crimean

One theory is that the explosion came from underneath, but the cleanness of the underside suggests not.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/xz2pe5/damaged_crimean_bridge_from_below

My hypothesis is that it was a missile on a small drone sub. Immediately prior to launch, the missile is pointed upward. The launch creates the wake and the missile explodes as it punches through the deck. The damage to the deck would be localised to the bit which is now under water and therefore not visible.

Pig Swill
Pig Swill
Oct 10, 2022 9:18 PM

I heard it was the truck

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Oct 10, 2022 10:34 PM
Reply to  Pig Swill

The consensus official version is that it was the truck, but the majority “conspiracy theory” version was that it came from somewhat under the decking. However, the following (included above in the OffG article) contains a longer version of the water CCTV – which I hadn’t seen before. It shows after the smoke clears and suggests that the truck was indeed where the explosion occurred. And would mean that the wake was just a coincidence!

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1578633576253657089

Penelope
Penelope
Oct 11, 2022 12:50 AM

Lost in a Dark Wood: Official explanation is that the truck laden w fertilizer was allowed on the bridge cuz it can’t blow up by itself. A car had the detonator, and so the truck blew up just as the car drew abreast of it. This event occurred when car & truck were closest to the fuel-filled cars of the train on a parallel track.

AFAIK that’s what’s being reported by various Russian sources.

mgeo
mgeo
Oct 11, 2022 8:42 AM
Reply to  Penelope

Exploding fertilizer is unlikely. Most such explosions affecting vehicles, godowns, etc. are fairy tales to divert from enemy action. That includes Beirut where a missile was caught on video.

Penelope
Penelope
Oct 11, 2022 7:09 PM
Reply to  mgeo

Yeh, mgeo. You’re probably right. Doubtless the “explanation” will continue to evolve.

Voz 0db
Voz 0db
Oct 10, 2022 8:58 PM

MMS/3i’s LOVE selfies…

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Velvet Revolution
Velvet Revolution
Oct 10, 2022 8:50 PM

I think the biggest ‘tell’ is the governor of Kyiv telling citizens after the recent missile strikes to ‘not go outside and take pictures’.

With all the media in the area (and everyone with a mobile phone to take snaps), where are the gruesome photos of the claimed mass graves MSM is claiming?

Just wondering.

Velvet Revolution
Velvet Revolution
Oct 10, 2022 9:15 PM

Just to clarify, the two paragraphs above where separate topics (apologies). The first was referring to the recent missile attacks claimed in Kyiv, and the second was regarding the claims some days ago of the mass graves found in the ‘liberated’ town of Lyma.

Penelope
Penelope
Oct 10, 2022 8:33 PM

Slightly OT, but it turns out Russia is NOT requiring covid vaxx for the military– as of Oct 6. And that’s from Slavsquat, acknowledging his error:

https://edwardslavsquat.substack.com/p/sputnik-v-not-included-on-list-of

Incidentally, in an article yesterday he indicates that Russia’s Sputnik V is responsible for many deaths & illnesss, just like other covid vaxxes.
https://edwardslavsquat.substack.com/p/sputnik-v-its-what-alt-media-craves

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Oct 10, 2022 8:59 PM
Reply to  Penelope

In fairness to Waggaman it’s not really an error. The MoD has had a program of mandatory c19 vax for soldiers and conscripts since June 2021, and last month the Russian info portal Explain said it was continuing with the same program for new reservists being mobilised. Waggaman understandably took this to mean c19 would continue to be mandatory. Others made the same assumption. However, on Oct 6, after Waggaman’s first article was published, the Explain portal released a clarification that this was not the case. Waggaman updated his analysis as soon as he was aware of the change.

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
Oct 11, 2022 4:46 AM

And, the Russian government has made it clear that this is its decision as of the moment, that it could be changed.

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
Oct 11, 2022 4:47 AM
Reply to  Penelope

Not requiring it right now. Subject to change, in other words.

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Oct 10, 2022 7:09 PM

“War is a Racket” by USMC General Smedley Butler. Free PDF can be found on internet.

I would argue that war has been predominantly contrived since Rothschild figured out how to take advantage of war, for financial gain. Specifically the Battle of Waterloo, and the War of 1812 in America.

One could argue that wars pior weren’t as contrived, however this should be addressed on a case by case basis. All to often, as stated in the “Art of War”, hot conflict is the ultimate expression of politics, and of dire consequences to the state and state treasury.

History is ripe of examples of how fruitless war is to We the People, and benefits the powers that be (TPTB).

Penelope
Penelope
Oct 10, 2022 8:54 PM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

Thomas Frey, WWI & II were contrived. See Wm Engdahl’s book A Century of War:

Psychopaths ruling Britain & City of London banking, were using the produce w cheap-labor-sell-dear model. They were being out-competed by the Germans who were using a capital investment and subsidize workers’ living standards model. So British elites, City of London contrived WWI.

WWII equally contrived.

All of Engdahl’s books highly informative, an education in themselves. However he doesn’t lift the final veil: He doesn’t see that there’s collusion at the top among the West, Russia & China. He’s been to China, is very pro-China. (The Chinese method with journalists is to court them, and it appears to work)

However, he’s a bright man; maybe he’s right & I’m wrong. But if so, I’d sure like to hear any reason for the Chinese lockdowns: It seems to me that it’s the Chinese contribution to global economic degradation. Their growth has gone from 6% to .4%.

NickM
NickM
Oct 11, 2022 9:12 AM
Reply to  Penelope

Glad to find another fan of Engdahl’s publications. My good opinion of “A Century of War” started around 1990 when I began digging into the internet to find out why we, in peaceful postwar Europe, were now dropping more bombs on Serbia than Hitler had done in WW2. The shafts that I was digging gradually converged backward in History, to 1900 and the City of London. That was when I read a summary of Engdahl’s Century of War, and found that his professional historical excavations had tunnelled toward the same starting point. The other illuminating book was given me a present by an Israeli friend: The Chamberlain / Hitler Collusion. Written by a Jew, it shows Britain and France encouraging Hitler to invade Russia, advising Poland to refuse an anti-Nazi pact with Russia and to join Nazi Germany in the dismemberment of ChechoSlovakia. Poland foolishly drank from this poisoned chalice offered by Britain, France and Nazi Germany in 1938; with tragic results for Poland in 1939.

My last little nugget of information was dug up from the internet by a U$ correspondent on 911. He wrote: “Bush’s grandpappy [Prescott Bush the financier] supported Hitler’s New World Order, and the fruit does not fall far from the tree”. That text illuminates everything I write about the Century (and a quarter) of War.

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Oct 11, 2022 5:21 PM
Reply to  NickM

The City IN London., Not the City of London. Further certainly by the mid 1890’s the United States was far away the Wealthist Nation on the Planet. In Europe it was Prussia and rising wealth of Imperial Russia.
Victorian era came to an end 1901.

Penelope
Penelope
Oct 11, 2022 7:19 PM
Reply to  NickM

Nick M, thanks for such a well-informed comment. There’s a great deal to be found on Engdahl’s website, too.

There is another really first-rate source that I have unfortunately lost. It’s a Russian journalist who had an entire free book in English on the internet. It was maybe 5 years ago. The book alternated chapters between explaining the way Russia was controlled financially, and explaining the British-German collusion in WWII. It was such a fantastic source, but like a dummy I lost the link, can’t remember his name, etc.

Amanda
Amanda
Oct 11, 2022 1:28 PM
Reply to  Penelope

I’m also a fan of F William Engdahl–I highly recommend his book The Gods of Money, but if you are short on time, there’s a great interview he did with Bonnie Faulkner on Guns and Butter “The Gods of Money: How America was Hijacked”- I think it’s on EuropesHeart channel on youtube. I also found his lectures/talks on youtube to be worth watching.

Yes, I’m confused on his China stance. IMO, China is controlled by the central bankers – they seem to be following the same playbook as every other nation (just about) with regard to the Covid hoax. Also, though I’m not as clear on this, from headlines I’ve seen from independent financial experts, it seems like China is also deliberately destroying it’s own economy. I’ve also noticed that Peter Koenig and Professor Michel Chossudovsky also seem to believe China is not onboard with the Great Reset (at least the last time I listened). IMO, China has already been captured by the central bankers and China has already instituted the social credit system that bankers want to impose on the rest of us.

Though years ago in the independent media, BRICS was presented as “breaking away” from the Western central banking system, after more research, I’m convinced that they are controlled by the same banking cartel as we are–its all about destroying the old financial system (the petro dollar based system) and ushering in the Great Reset. James Corbett has some good posts on how BRICS in controlled by the banking cartel. Also, Greg Reese has a quick video on bitchute that seems to support Corbett’s info.

Penelope
Penelope
Oct 13, 2022 7:11 PM
Reply to  Amanda

Amanda, thanks for the comment. I answered you at length, but it disappeared.

Penelope
Penelope
Oct 14, 2022 4:52 AM
Reply to  Amanda

Amanda, if you should see this– we were correct about Engdahl’s error in seeing China as the good guys:

Fight your way thru enough of this to get the gist of it to see what I man:

https://off-guardian.org/2022/09/27/multipolar-world-order-part-2/

Regards,

John Ervin
John Ervin
Oct 10, 2022 10:21 PM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

whom he endorsed, while Butler, this staunchest of Generals was yet in his late 50s*!

(*like Patton and Forrestal, also dead at early ages, two dissident voices, the latter “falling” twenty-plus stories to his death.)

£4£&$4$&€4€&¥4¥etc+my2¢™ ~~~

Thomas Jefferson on private (and central) banks:

“I sincerely believe that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.

~ Thomas Jefferson

John Ervin
John Ervin
Oct 10, 2022 11:39 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Another misprint, above, due to Spam Check Purgatory, or that pending Hell. Apologies, this was a truncated version of our post below, obviously, and may be sent to the 7th circle, no worries.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Oct 10, 2022 10:25 PM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

You wrote: “History is ripe of examples of how fruitless war is to We the People, and benefits the powers that be (TPTB).”

If you analyze the “cui bono” strictly by those measurements alone, the macro-economic, it is a damning “Exhibit A” for the jurors of history to more thoughtfully and deeply review.

Who can argue, as have the warmongers, and for millennia out of mind, that wars ultimately originate from some patriotic cause or other, and as national or regional emergencies, etc etc etc ? They would seem intimately comparable to Corona variants, as “purest” pretexts, and Trojan Horses? (Intimate clustered flocks of shared “financial” interest.)

As two-time Congressional Medal of Honor recipient and most highly decorated U.S. Marine in the Corps’ history, General Smedley D. Butler, the one & only, opined, “War is a Racket” in both a book(let) and widely touring speech, that he and his decorated ilk were merely, simply, “high class muscle … dispatched to prop up … corporate interests.”

Funny how, once he retired, the Marines have ever since incrementally “turned down the volume” on his military achievements, almost to “mute”.

Especially when he turned “states’ evidence” and testified to Congress in 1933 about his 1st-hand knowledge of the “Bankers Plot” to “remove” (aka “assassinate”) FDR at the White House, inviting Butler to be (their) fiat dictator in his place. Something all the Banksters have always perennially denied.

Such a great man, and such a *true* soldier! And actual, credible, Patriot.

What a surprise that he died of some mysterious malady or other, not long after touring the country with a socialist candidate whom he endorsed, while Butler, this staunchest of Generals was yet in his late 50s!

£4£&$4$&€4€&¥4¥etc+my2¢™ ~~~

Thomas Jefferson on private (and central) banks:

“I sincerely believe that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.

~ Thomas Jefferson

John Ervin
John Ervin
Oct 10, 2022 11:07 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

I posted this and hit “edit” to change ONE letter, having writ (a “sic”) FDR ar the White House” and wanted to change AR to AT, since it was my pivot point, but, as much anticipated, the “save” toggle sent the whole thing to “spam…pending.”

Since this happens almost all the time now, I had had enough coffee to remember to copy my text, hence this “independent” post.

I think we can therefore safely conclude that ths spam check whatsit/widget is simply a hiccup in the software, but it’s been squatting there for some months.

Also, btw, Patton and Forrestal were also rather young supreme officers, and feisty dissidents, when they died, the latter “falling” as an historic “expendable” twenty-plus stories.

Dave Martin has given an in-depth “forensic historical” exam of Forrestal’s suicid(ing) as he does so well, such as with his book, read in a binge last month by me, andreviewed by Ed Curtin here (etc) 4 years ago, “The Martyrdom of Thomas Merton”. Very important work he does, munificently documented (though, as Curtin suggested, even more needs to be offered in appendices, given the controversies) and an intro to all of his exposés can be found at his wondrous website:

dcdave.com

I still reserve judgement, always, since his subject matter is fiercely contested, and because his co-writer is a DC-area magician (one of the few unelected, or unselected, kind, but he seems to have his heart in the right place, though it may yet be “now you see it, now you don’t, since he”s peacticed in the arts of making a variety of objects disappear. Much like the Internet, Congress, and the JCS

So, Caveat Lector, per the usual.

But if all of Turley & Martin’s allegations, heavily documented, that Fr. Merton (Louis) was murdered by US Intel, in collusion with their ftiendly asset, the Thai PD, it is a weighty, ponderously inculpating charge against the Usual Suspects in the CIA, and their accomplices, in this case, sadly, many high-ranking clerics, such as the recently departed Archbishop Rembert Weakland, a very controversial figure who appears to have played an important role in the coverup of Merton’s murder as an “accident”.

It is worthy of anyone’s time, since if true, Merton death represents the Gandhi-esque “trifecta” of assassinations for 1968, with RFK & MLK.

Seeing that more clearly, now, how it all played out, and still does, has enormous bearing on today’s glibal machinations.

Maybe I can offer that as a crucial historical event, as it’s right in the middle of my wheelhouse, more so than many, as someone who has lived a year in a Redemptorist monastery, ‘as an ad hoc interim private secretary of its Father Superior, and as one who has been reading Merton’s peaceful opinions and theology for over 50 years. (Over 20 biographies of Merton have been published, worldwide. The reality that so few non-Catholic [US]Americans know the name speaks copious volumes.)

With that as a reference, and as a Catholic convert, as is Merton & GKC, I would simply attest that his impact was globally quite substantive, and his murder may very well be seen one day as approaching in importance those of his fellow travellers, MLK & RFK, on their Way to Peace.

All murdered that more singular year of assassinations, 1968….

John Ervin
John Ervin
Oct 10, 2022 11:11 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

(Mea Culpa, lol, for several typos above, but editing even ONE letter now sends the whole kit & kaboodle to transient Spam Hell! Any time done in Spam Hell is just more than enough.)

John Ervin
John Ervin
Oct 10, 2022 11:50 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

BY THE BYE & MUCHO FYI:

ALL of the late David Carradine’s family, most of them eminent actors, believe his death was a HOMICIDE. IT ALSO HAPPENED IN THE EXACT SAME JURISDICTION OF THE VERY CIA-FRIENDLY BANGKOK PD, AS MERTON’S DECADES BEFORE.

HMMMMMM!?

Amanda
Amanda
Oct 11, 2022 1:18 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Great quote from Thomas Jefferson (the founding fathers knew that the international bankers got control over nations by getting the power to issue the national currency and loan it to the government at interest, so they gave the issuing power to Congress. But unfortunately, Congress gave that power away in 1913 with the Federal Reserve Act). For anyone who does not understand central banking, I posted a ton of links in my two posts here: https://off-guardian.org/2022/09/28/forget-the-blame-game-nordstream-sabotage-is-about-the-great-reset-nothing-else/#comment-544039

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Oct 11, 2022 5:08 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

I believe Thomas Jefferson is remembered regarding the North America Continent, for the catalog system, virtually a then, modern mail order.
I can’t think of any Americans in day to day talking about it.
If asked, which I have’nt been, I probably say, what would you have done?

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Oct 10, 2022 7:00 PM

It was reckoned to be a truck bomb. The official (Russian) line as of yesterday is that the bomb was likely planted during a 12 period when the driver was off duty and the driver (who was killed in the attack) wasn’t involved. I’d guess it was intended to detonate on the bridge proper but instead went off on the viaduct next to a train carrying fuel.

The bridge is a useful piece of infrastructure. Even if Crimea was part of Ukraine it would be an important link between the two countries. Unfortunately the Kiev government doesn’t see infrastructure as important, what’s paramount are symbols of nationalism, of separateness, an almost fanatical anti-Russianism (which doesn’t make a whole lot of sense given the location of the country and the history of its people….).

The Russians seem to have retaliated by, among other things, targeting the Ukraine Security Service’s HQ in Kiev. They appear to have missed with the missile exploding in the street. The reaction here in the west has been predictable, its obvious proof of Russian/Putin’s callousness and brutality (completely ignoring the fact that Russia could have flattened Kiev months ago if it thought this was wise policy — which fortunately its not).

The Fonz
The Fonz
Oct 10, 2022 10:24 PM
Reply to  Martin Usher

Sorry, but that’s such a bullshit story. Of all the ways to blow up a bridge, hiding the explosives in the back of some bloke’s truck and hoping he doesn’t find the stash beforehand, has got to be the most totally stupid.

What the hell has happened to basic critical thinking skills. How the hell could anyone believe this for a minute?

For one things the energy from a truck blowing up is going to do almost nothing to the structure of the bridge and timing it to blow at the right time to do any real damage at all would be next to impossible. It’s ridiculous. No one would choose to do it that way unless they wanted a big boom and minimal damage. And oh look, the truck wasn’t even on the main bridge when it happened, ensuring absolutely minimal damage for your boom factor.

If you really want to take a bridge out you go for its supports. And however well patrolled it is a bridge that long is not going to be too hard to get too if you know what you’re doing.

This is as fake as it gets.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Oct 10, 2022 11:32 PM
Reply to  The Fonz

One upvote produces two downvotes as orchestrated by the OG sensors.

The Fonz
The Fonz
Oct 11, 2022 12:34 AM
Reply to  Veri Tas

Nope, just tried it

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Oct 11, 2022 5:17 AM
Reply to  The Fonz

Truck bombs have been shown to be very effective if they’re carefully designed. Its not a matter of putting some explosives in the back of a truck but so packing them to direct the blast. It certainly looks like an ingenious attack that was obviously meant to explode on the bridge proper but the timing was off slightly.

Ukraine has tried a more conventional operation against this bridge a while back. It didn’t work out.

Its also worth noting that around the time of the UN Inspectors visiting the Zaporizhizha nuclear plant there were two failed commando raids on the plant. These attacks were carefully planned and seem to have been timed to try to capture the part of the plant where the inspectors were, the goal being to get a foothold in the area (I’d guess). It was an ignenious attack, well thought through but like a lot of these attacks its only in the movies where everything works first time every time.

Red Pill Reader
Red Pill Reader
Oct 11, 2022 6:45 AM
Reply to  Martin Usher

Truck bombs have been shown to be very effective

True story. If they’ve got enough bullshit packed in them they can take down half the Alfred P. Murrah building. We saw it on tv and you can bet your bollocks “Martin Usher” believes it

Red Pill Reader
Red Pill Reader
Oct 11, 2022 6:41 AM
Reply to  Martin Usher

Regular readers here who know full well what “Martin” is have a good think about what he’s now selling you.

He sells the covid bullshit, he sells climate change, he sells every Western narrative there is — and now he’s telling you Russia are the goody guys!

This is your best evidence that MI6, CIA, deep state, call it what you will is running both sides of this story. It’s rum is what.

Edwige
Edwige
Oct 10, 2022 6:58 PM

“The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous”.

Velvet Revolution
Velvet Revolution
Oct 10, 2022 8:52 PM
Reply to  Edwige

Absolutely

Graham Greene
Graham Greene
Oct 10, 2022 9:47 PM
Reply to  Edwige

Hmm, a war that lasts forever, now that would be novel. Now you are a hostage to fortune. The war against all those states which have invaded Russia – all seven of them – all failed except for the first under Rurik 1862 – 1228. The last 4 of these 7 invasions were with Charles III of Sweden, Napoleon, Hindenburg, and Hitler. Pretty good/bad record depending which side you are on. Is there any reason to suppose that the invaders from the west will be anymore successful than the present team. But we will have to wait for the result.

wardropper
wardropper
Oct 10, 2022 11:24 PM
Reply to  Graham Greene

It’s all the same war.
Not since pre-Roman times has the actual population of a country seriously wanted war. Not if they’ve ever seen a close family member return with all his limbs severed.
That should give us a strong clue as to the moral calibre of those who say they intend to pursue a political career, representing us ‘ordinary’ people. They are the only ones who salivate at the prospect of war, and they do so purely for real or imagined access to great wealth.
I don’t think there are any uncorrupted politicians anywhere today, because they would be kicked out by the systems for which they work.
They just don’t ‘fit in’, so they either learn to fit in, or they are out.

NickM
NickM
Oct 11, 2022 9:48 AM
Reply to  Graham Greene

“The invaders from the West” have already driven the most prosperous fifth of Ukraine to rejoin Mother Russia. Unless “the invaders from the West” cease pouring weapons and money into Ukraine’s genocidal Chazar-Ukro-Nazi Leadership and accept negotiations, Ukraine (having already lost Crimea and the Donbass) will also lose its last two ports, Odessa and Nikolaiev. Any more such terrorist stunts by MI6 / CIA, and Kiev likewise will rejoin Mother Russia.

les online
les online
Oct 10, 2022 11:12 PM
Reply to  Edwige

War IS continuous ! That’s why sometimes it’s HOT, most often it’s COLD !
The State doesnt take holidays !
The State never lets go of the reins !
Dont be fooled by ‘Tax Breaks’ !

Watch the Parking Meters ! (1960s folksinger)…