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Wool Over Our Eyes

Todd Hayen

It is curious to me that people do not understand that historically, perpetrators of evil have always made an effort to convince people in general that what they are doing is not evil, and in fact is good for them.

There have been no exceptions to this rule throughout history—at least none that I am aware of. I am not saying that every leader throughout history was evil, but those that were, were typically conniving.

If the militia police pulls a man from the street for whatever reason the government wants him, his family is told he was breaking the law. If there is a peaceful protest of concerned citizens, who are beaten and arrested for protesting, the general public is told they were destroying property, or attempting to overthrow the government, and thus are a threat to everyone’s well being (think Truckers Convoy in Canada).

Prisoners in a prison must remain orderly and calm or they will lose rights and privileges. Citizens in a community must do the same. If you don’t make waves you will remain happy. If you close your eyes and don’t care what is going on around you, then you won’t make waves.

The strange thing again is that people do not connect the dots. Not only will they refuse to see what is plainly in front of them, they will deny it with such vehemence and conviction, accusing anyone attempting to enlighten them they are conspiracy theorists, rabble rousers, insane, or worse.

Since we as a human culture have experienced this phenomenon so often, why do we, as a mass, fall for it every time? “Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.” Nietzsche had something to say about this, but I am lacking in my knowledge of Nietzsche to say more…something about people’s innate desire to be enslaved.

I often think about the handful of people in Nazi Germany in the mid ’20s and early ‘30s, before Hitler and National Socialism took over the country, who saw clearly the black tide approaching. It was even less obvious at this time that some petty Austrian big mouth like Hitler would one day rule with an iron and murderous fist.

But this handful of people knew unmistakably what was about to roll over them. If you were one of those, and looked, even with a cursory glance, you would see it, and you would not have dismissed it. Once he came to power in 1933, six years went by before Europe was thrown into World War II with the invasion of Poland and the UK’s declaration of war.

By then it was too late to stop him. Hitler was a single man, although the Nazi movement originated with others who chose Hitler as their mouthpiece and later as their leader.

What is happening now is not as subtle as the National Socialist movement in Germany was. Believe it or not, Germans were smarter and better informed, but they also were more beaten down than people of the West are today, and were quite vulnerable and more receptive to a savior-figure. We live in Huxley’s Brave New World, essentially dumbed down to focus only on the tiny screen six inches from our face and are captivated with any sort of instant gratification.

As Dr. Mark McDonald explains it, we are a continent of comfortists, blinded by our cushy lives. (Forgive me for using the collective “we” and “you”—know that I am aware most people reading this are not included in this collective.)

Speaking of the German people at the onset of Hitler’s power, many would have rolled their eyes and smirked if anyone began a conversation with, “this Hitler fella, we have to be careful with him.” Most Germans didn’t even know who he was, let alone believed he would rise to brutal power and plunge the entire country into despair.

Before that despair, however, he was Germany’s saviour. And once the average German began to accept his place and power, they began to adore him. Just as I state above, he hoodwinked them all with juicy carrots, and at that time Germany was desperate for any sort of carrot—almost literally, considering it cost a bushel full of German marks to buy one.

It is somewhat complicated to compare what is happening in our world now with what happened in Europe in the decades following World War I. They are radically different times, and the circumstances are, in many regards, also radically different. But don’t let that fool you into complacency and a refusal to look at the glaring similarities.

A storm of a different kind is definitely rolling over the horizon. Maybe it is of a different sort, but it is definitely a storm, and a wicked one at that, and has some fundamental similarities we can’t ignore. We mustn’t be like the rank and file Germans of old, or like most of mid 20th Century Europe and US at that. We must take note, and be aware.

There are many reasons why Hitler could hoodwink the world. Some of the bigger reasons were the elite’s response to his harangue. They liked the guy, and found gain in his war talk (which didn’t really even start until his invasion of Poland, at least not publicly).

This is one thing that makes our current situation similar to the events of 1925 to 1945.

The powers in the world, the corporations, the banks, even the governments, were not wholly opposed to Hitler’s plans (largely my opinion, but supported by many I have read). They at the very least played along, or at worst, looked the other way. It was complicated, as usual, actually probably more complicated than what we are seeing today.

To say the least, this global confusion and deceit set the stage for a lot of black and white thinking. The world population, at least the part that wasn’t so busy trying to simply survive, was largely in the dark. Sound familiar?

As I said in the first paragraph of this piece, people are principally too trusting. They believe that powerful people are sincere when they say they are looking out for them. There are simply too many contradictions to this assumption throughout history.

Actually, I would be hard pressed to find any example where leaders truly did have their subjects at heart. At least the officials that made a name for themselves as leaders.

There may be a few who have appeared to do that and the history books have been kind to them. But there is always another story.

Leaders seem to see the people they lead as something other than adult humans. They are children—sheep—who don’t know what is best for them. I am sure there were some leaders who truly believed they were good people doing good things. Even Hitler believed he was doing what was best for the German people. Lenin certainly thought as much for Russia.

Sorry to use so much Hitler reference, he and his Nazis are such a good example of an authoritarian take over. The beginnings of the Soviet Union are not even as intriguing as such an example—Lenin and the Bolsheviks coming to power is quite interesting for other reasons, such as the collapse of inept imperial power and bringing the proletariat into what they were tricked to believe was self government. Hitler is spicy for different reasons.

There is more to say on this topic as usual, but I will leave it at that. Please share your thoughts in the comment section. Why do you think people in general are so trusting of their government and their leaders, or, for that matter, nearly anyone in authority?

Todd Hayen is a registered psychotherapist practicing in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. He holds a PhD in depth psychotherapy and an MA in Consciousness Studies. He specializes in Jungian, archetypal, psychology. Todd also writes for his own substack, which you can read here

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Samuel
Samuel
Apr 27, 2023 2:15 AM

Trotsky’s analysis of the ascension to power of fascism in Germany, at the time it was happening, and his critics of the left strategy, that he argues contributed to it, is just brilliant. And he was in Turkey, days away from the daily news. A very good read for our times.

Keith H
Keith H
Apr 26, 2023 10:03 PM

Because man has rejected YHWH that HE should reign over them. It is a lot easier for the carnal man to trust in what he can see. Even though he can see the lies and deception of those who desire to rule over him,because of the breath of life in him, ( Spirit of TRUTH). It is man’s unbelief that keeps him chained, destined to repeat himself as the chains only allow the same limited motion day on and day out.
The TRUTH set’s one Free from the rule of man. Fear not man that can destroy the body but fear YHWH who can destroy both body and soul.
Bottom line is their lack of knowledge, that this life is temporary. That they are created beings with the knowledge of Good and evil, unable to choose between the two because of their fear of being cast out by their fellow man, fear of rejection, of what they can see.
Without TRUTH,man’s questions will never have a definitive answer. Only more theories that tighten the chains that binds him.

McMurhpy
McMurhpy
Apr 25, 2023 8:30 AM
Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Apr 24, 2023 3:27 PM

Isn’t it about time that ‘All politicians are a bunch of wankers!’ was an essential option for everyone voting in ‘free and fair elections’?

You can add ‘None of the above’ for those who prefer to be restrained.

semaj
semaj
Apr 24, 2023 8:36 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

I always write across my ballot paper none fit for purpose.

Kacsynski2
Kacsynski2
Apr 24, 2023 3:07 PM

“I’m a hypocrite. I’ll have a go at you for not knowing something I found out 5 minutes ago”
Doug Stanhope

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
Apr 24, 2023 11:42 AM

Hitler

We never will know the truth about this gentleman. His ancestry. Was he an illegitimate Rothschild ? If so he did well for his ancestors. A certain state in the Middle East owes it’s existence at least in part to what he allegedly did. In the almost impossible task of sifting fact from tame historian fiction certain things stand out. The first was his allowing the British army to escape at Dunkirk. The second was the invasion of the USSR with his puny army and his lack of resources. This strategy gave the banksters the excuse they needed to initiate the rout of his overextended military. This rout also gave their propagandists the opportunity to glamorise and sanctify the battles in the sadistic crushing of Germany. We don’t hear about the horrific firebombing of Dresden and Hamburg and numerous other German cities. We never see the pictures of the corpses piled high on pyres in Dresden. The crushing of Germany lead to the spread of dystopian communism across Eastern Europe. It permitted Eisenhower’s murder of a million German POW’s by exposure and starvation. The legend of the death camps justified the expulsion and murder of Palestinians.

Did big H blow his brains out in a bunker as the tame historians tell us ? Was he spirited away to retirement In Argentina as a reward for his contributions ? We will never know. Information black holes abound.

Mann Friedmann
Mann Friedmann
Apr 24, 2023 10:02 PM

Non-Semites from Europe claim the Palestinians are NOT Semites!!
Non-Semites from Europe claim that gas chambers originally killed 4 million, then 2, then 1.1 million; then combinations of violations, including yet to be found mass graves.

At the end of WW2 the Red Cross accounted for ~378000 missing Jews.

Believing in “The Victor’s History” is a very dubious place to be in.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Apr 24, 2023 11:32 PM
Reply to  Mann Friedmann

Tricky territory and getting quite off topic. Could you please link to a source for the Red Cross claims. A2

Mann Friedmann
Mann Friedmann
Apr 25, 2023 4:18 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

The authors of essential historical revision on the Holocaust:
Robert Fourisson, Laurent Guynot, David Irving and Ernst Zundel

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Apr 25, 2023 6:43 PM
Reply to  Mann Friedmann

A direct source or I’ll remove this. Thanks, A2

Mann Friedmann
Mann Friedmann
Apr 25, 2023 10:12 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

xxxx

Robert Fourrison is dead, and his blog destroyed:

Sorry, the blog at robertfaurisson.blogspot.com has been removed. This address is not available for new blogs.

I bet you think that his cancellation is righteous.

There is also the International Historical Review:

https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n4p-4_Graf.html

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Apr 25, 2023 11:10 PM
Reply to  Mann Friedmann

The first link doesn’t mention the Red Cross at all so I removed that.

The second link doesn’t mention the Red Cross in relation to missing Jews after the war, but in relation to a contemporaneous Red Cross report which made no reference to Jews deported from Hungary and which was used as evidence of forged German reports, but which the author contests and attributes to Red Cross administrative incompetence.

So maybe the Red Cross aren’t a reliable source after all?

In any case, you couldn’t provide what I requested.

Mann Friedmann
Mann Friedmann
Apr 26, 2023 3:43 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Fair enough.
I’ll be more careful.

paul
paul
Apr 27, 2023 4:10 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

There shouldn’t be any territory too tricky for us to go into.
Whether it’s vaccine injuries, or LGBT harm to children, or the slow motion genocide in Palestine, or 9/11, or the historical record, or all the false flags and hoaxes.
Some people think differently because they just want a quiet life – I don’t want to go there, the you-know-whos will crucify me.
But opting for a quiet life is just giving up – just roll up your sleeve and queue up for the latest booster, take your kids on the next gay BDSM rally, do as you’re told and keep your mouth shut.. .

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Apr 27, 2023 5:02 PM
Reply to  paul

If everything can be discussed within tasteful bounds in intelligent, objective, respectful and dispassionate ways using academic discipline then nothing should be out of bounds. However these conditions are rarely met, and all it takes is one bozo who hates all Jews with an irrational passion to discredit everyone involved. This person can be a genuine but misguided person. This person can also be a counter intelligence officer scoring a big ‘W’ for the opposition.

If we’re wise enough to have difficult conversations then we’re wise enough to recognise the unavoidable practical constraints within which we must work. This is just as essential to dealing in truthful, non abstract reality as anything else. A2

paul
paul
Apr 25, 2023 1:17 PM

Everything we have been told about Mr. A. Hitler has been told to us by the same people who brought us the Iraq Incubator Babies, Iraq WMD, Iranian WMD, 9/11, JFK, Russiagate, Skripal, Navalny, Libyan rape gangs, White Helmets, Syrian gas hoaxes, Ukraine atrocities, Corbyn’s anti semitism, Uighur genocide, Yugoslavian genocide, London completely submerged and underwater by the year 2000, and a seemingly endless catalogue of other gems in a similar vein.

So how seriously can you take anything they say? For all I know, Mr. AH was a very nice bloke who has just been given the same bog standard demonisation treatment directed at Assad, Gaddafi, S. Hussein, Maduro, Putin, Xi, Orban, and anyone else who failed to toe the line of the big moneyed interests.

He probably wasn’t, but everything we have been told without exception on any subject whatsoever has to be regarded as more or less completely worthless. In the course of my lifetime, the number of “Jews gassed at Auschwitz” has fallen from 3.5 million to 1 million. Absolutely nothing can be taken at face value any more.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Apr 25, 2023 1:41 PM
Reply to  paul

The Nazis did persecute people though right?

They did have concentration camps where people were sent without trial or due process, right?

They did murder people en masse by various methods, including involuntary euthanasia, right?

They did exercise totalitarian centralized control over people’s lives, right?

So, even if the extent of their crimes has genuinely been exaggerated or simplified in order to sell an agenda, these people were no more heroes or good guys than the ones currently soft-selling a lot of this fascist methodology to us today.

Right?

Mann Friedmann
Mann Friedmann
Apr 25, 2023 3:55 PM

Just like how Israelis treat Palestinians.
Just like The good ‘ol U$A treated the Indigenous of America;
Just like the Brits of French treated their colonies almost everywhere they went.
Sophie, preferential indignation is very Jewish.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Apr 25, 2023 6:42 PM
Reply to  Mann Friedmann

Must do better. Let’s up the IQ of this discussion, it’s a delicate subject requiring sharp minds. This is not a place for Nazi sympathisers to attempt to dance around the issue with endless whataboutery 😅. We expect more. Thanks, A2

WorkingClassHero
WorkingClassHero
Apr 25, 2023 11:15 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Ah yes, “The Nazis”. We had some of them here in OZ, apparently gate crashing a protest. Or that’s how the scrip was written for this painfully embarrassing story. See below for some of the images of “The Nazis”, if you missed it.

If i’m honest I though Nazis were tough looking patriotic types, perhaps with a few tattoos to show their commitment, thug like.

I LOL when I saw them. Looks like Kmart had a special offer on black tshrts and shorts that day and not a single tattoo in sight. These guys were so clean cut, shaven with nicely pressed attire. Who knows perhaps they were recruited from the local constabulary. They looked more like a bunch of wed wetters or soft cocks.

The tits who organize these staged events are in such a hurry to organize the next one they simply do a half arsed job. “She’ll Be Right”, as the say here.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-19/victoria-nazi-salute-peformed-parliament-government-response/102116672

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Apr 25, 2023 11:24 PM

This is apples and oranges though, since I’m the first to admit the modern use of the term is silly. Literal eugenicist medical institutions escape the label in the mainstream, while people who refuse to applaud these same medical institutions become the ‘Nazis’. Yep, it’s silly. A2

Mann Friedmann
Mann Friedmann
Apr 26, 2023 3:51 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

There is no such thing as a Nazi Sympathizers!
Nazi is short for National Socialism: an ad hominem.
Anti-Semite is also an ad hominem
Just like their are no anti-vaxxers because they refuse the jabs.
Anti-vaxxer is an ad hominem.

The very behaviour of the Criminal State of Israel ethnically cleansing Palestinians turns that notion completely on its head.

endless whataboutery

The endless campaign to enforce and enshrine only one narrative has been repeated ad nauseum, but the piece de resistance is the explicit criminalizing every thing about the issue!
I disagree; therefore I go to prison.

Refusing to engage the issue has prepared the sheep for the Coronaprank, as well as JFK, MLK, RFK, 9/11 etc.

Hypocrites.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Apr 26, 2023 7:31 PM
Reply to  Mann Friedmann

I refer you to Sophie’s original point. You are making a different point. You made it tastefully so it stays. However, you know this is a hot topic, and I don’t approve of people using this site as a guinea pig.

There is no doubt that Nazism leveraged propaganda on an unprecedented industrial scale, and that alone makes for a good comparison to modern times.

I do accept that de facto demonising Nazis isn’t always helpful, however, moves to point this out must be made carefully. Your above comment was a good example of this approach done right. Your previous comment not so much.

A2

paul
paul
Apr 25, 2023 10:33 PM

That’s very probably true.
Though as the people telling the story of these events have consistently lied to us for years and decades, nothing at all they have to say on the issue can be taken at face value either. It is completely worthless.
They did have concentration camps, like the British in South Africa, and like our US friends still have on Cuba and in a score of other countries, and like probably most of the countries on the planet still have or have had at some stage in their history. Exactly what went on there, and the scale and nature of the misdeeds that very likely occurred there, we will probably never know for certain. We can be sure that whatever we have been told is very probably untrue.
That is not to rehabilitate Mr. A. Hitler or to form a fan club for him.
But I just don’t like being lied to and treated like a c***. I’ll give a trivial example of the myths that have been allowed to become holy writ.
In 1936 at the Berlin Olympics, Jesse Owens won his gold medal after a sparkling performance, in a race watched by Hitler. Legend has it that Hitler was enraged and stormed off in a tantrum. This has since been reported millions of times, and become an established “fact”, endlessly repeated. Unfortunately, it is not true. What actually happened is that Hitler stood up, saluted Owens, and applauded. Then he went down and met Owens after the race and shook his hand. Someone took a photograph of Hitler with him. Owens was very proud of this and kept it in his wallet. Throughout his life, people would tell Owens – you really stuck it to Hitler when you won that race, didn’t you? He would show them the photograph and say, no, Hitler and the Nazis treated him fine, a lot better than his own people. When he went back to America, he was just another n****r. Roosevelt never shook his hand – but Hitler did.
If they talk a load of nonsense about something as trivial as that, you can draw your own conclusions.
Euthanasia, eugenics and human experimentation were de rigueur in the 1930s (and for quite some time after the war) in the US, Sweden, and many other countries.
As for practising totalitarian control, they are far from unique in that, unless you’ve been hibernating through the past 2 or 3 years of the covid hoax.
We have been sold a bill of goods for decades now that Hitler was somehow uniquely evil and worse than anything else that has ever happened in history.
Drawing up a league table or hierarchy of evil is probably a pointless exercise, but if you did I somehow doubt that Hitler would scoop first place and all the prizes. I wonder how he compares with the 100 million exterminated in the Native American genocide, or the tens of millions of victims of the Transatlantic slave trade, or the 10 million slaughtered in the Belgian Congo, 1890-1910, or the tens of millions of victims of the famine in China in the 1960s, or……, or……, or ……. Just about every country you can name, Belgium, Italy, Spain, Turkey, Japan, Mongolia, has got a lot of genocide skeletons rattling away in their closet. Britain certainly has.
That is not to say that Hitler actually was a great bloke. If, for the sake of argument, it was established that he had “only” murdered half a million people, or a quarter of a million people, or whatever, he probably still wouldn’t be the sort of bloke you’d want to go out drinking with. But he wasn’t particularly unusual or exceptional in any way. When you look at history and at other countries, what strikes me is how “normal” and “unexceptional” Hitler and his regime actually were. Maybe it is that which is actually more terrifying. Hitler was not in any way unique – he was actually ten a penny if you look at the historical record.

Mann Friedmann
Mann Friedmann
Apr 26, 2023 3:53 PM
Reply to  paul

Thank you for that.
This site suddenly announced itself as a limited hang out.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Apr 26, 2023 7:32 PM
Reply to  Mann Friedmann

And you just announced yourself as a troll. Lol

Mann Friedmann
Mann Friedmann
Apr 27, 2023 5:20 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Don’t apply a different standard to one topic at the expense of ALL
the others.

So, like mainstream media, the standard is “one narrative or don’t bother.”

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Apr 27, 2023 5:44 PM
Reply to  Mann Friedmann

You’re being quite unoriginal here. It isn’t your job to be admin here and thus it’s your privilege to cherry pick admin’s words and make sweeping condemnations of us if you so choose. But please don’t use offg as a guinea pig by pushing the boundaries too much. We are extremely tolerant compared to other forums like this, so kindly heed admin’s words moving forward to avoid needless infighting. Let’s try to end this exchange on a positive note. Admin appreciates the efforts you’ve made to tread a good line so far. Maybe I could also appeal to your sense of humility if you think admin’s job here is so easy. Thank you. A2

paul
paul
Apr 27, 2023 10:12 AM
Reply to  Mann Friedmann

What I dislike is the imposition of one uniform official narrative that you have to pretend to subscribe to, whether it is Covid, global warming, trannies, Russia, Syria, rampant anti semitism in the Labour Party, or Germany 80 years ago.

You are required to recite your catechism and sing from the approved hymn sheet on pain of personal vilification and demonisation, destruction of career, actual physical attacks, judicial persecution, and worse.

Given what we know, I just doubt most of current orthodox received wisdom and the established historical narrative. I strongly suspect that Stalin’s purges and repression, for example, may have been propagandised, distorted and inflated out of all proportion, with dubious claims that he murdered 10 million. I also doubt that East Germany/ GDR was such a terrible, repressive place to live for most people. The same probably applies for most Germans of the 1930s. The people who built the GDR were dealt a very poor hand and didn’t do too badly under the circumstances. Tito’s Yugoslavia wasn’t that bad a place to live. But all of them have gone into the dustbin of history and can be accepted for what they were, the good, the bad and indifferent.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Apr 27, 2023 11:21 AM
Reply to  paul

Default assuming ‘things are never as bad as history reports if they happened a long way away from me or in the past’ seems like failed logic and cherrypicking.

Haven’t people also been dismissing and minimising the dangers, real and potential, of medical authoritarianism during Covid by making these kinds of assumptions?

‘Lockdowns weren’t that bad or that dangerous’; ‘you were never in any real danger, you’re just spoiled and hysterical’; ‘oh diddums, was sitting at home on furlough and taking some free medication to keep you and others safe too much danger and “persecution” for your complacent lilly white ass? Grow up!’; ‘why do you keep going on about your freedoms, I haven’t had any of my freedoms taken away, I still went to work as as I was an essential worker, so life as normal for me’; ‘you wouldn’t have been arrested if you weren’t doing anything wrong, too much trouble to put a little mask on was it? I find my mask more comfortable than not wearing one nowadays’; ‘if you can’t avoid sitting on a park bench for a few weeks to follow the science and save a life then this is rampant selfish individualism. Everyone else can do it, what’s so special about you? Do as you’re told!’; ‘You’re a bunch of entitled, irresponsible libertarians having a tantrum. All you have to do is not go out for a bit, it’s ridiculous *eyeroll*’

And they were right, as dangers go, most people weren’t in mortal peril, but it doesn’t mean we didn’t all witness the dehumanising totalitarian potential or witness the fanatical brainwashing first hand or see our civil rights curtailed to unprecedented degrees and know just how incredibly unstable the situation really was.

Would you believe you, if you were reading your own account 60 years from now, using your own logic here?

Mann Friedmann
Mann Friedmann
Apr 27, 2023 5:15 PM
Reply to  paul

A good friend of mine, who since had moved back to Dresden lived in East Germany from WW2 to 1974, then on a music tour of Canada and met the love of her life here so she stayed.

So she stayed.

What about the above comment and what it really means?

The not so hidden statement is that he could exercise her free will and not be forced back to East Germany.

In 1992 a Croatian whom I played football with mentioned that he felt the only thing that had prevented the manufactured animosity from igniting was the fact that Tito did not choose favourites; it seemed that all ethnicities had were allowed their agency and it was an effective deterrent to sectarian violence.

These accounts may seem bland on the surface, but they seem to be a sober corollary to the manufactured hate that has been the average from the Collective Waste for some time.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 24, 2023 8:11 AM

The welfare of the people … has always been the alibi of tyrants, and it provides the further advantage of giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience.
Albert Camus

Unfortunately, the problem isn’t just a majority not willing to countenance the evil of power, it’s also the minority who still gets it wrong because they don’t take on board a crucial propaganda technique, the fake binary aka false dilemma, as described in Catte’s article.
https://off-guardian.org/2022/05/16/the-function-of-the-fake-binary/

The recent article by Kit on distinguishing fake leaks from real is of a similar vein.
https://off-guardian.org/2023/04/17/pentagon-leaks-5-ways-to-tell-real-from-fake/

It is crucial to understand that half-truths make great lies and that the difference between the truth and half-truth is chasm-like.

Whether 9/11 was a bare “inside job” where the people said to be killed and injured really were or rather an essentially glorified exercise involving the destruction of large buildings is of crucial importance. It’s not whether the killing and injuring were real or not so much as the mind control involved. After all, they have killed absolutely thousands upon thousands with protocols in the name of the pandemic hoax which pale into complete negligibility the number of supposed dead on 9/11. With covid we also have the fake binary:
— There is a virus (either natural or from a lab) but it’s not at pandemic proportions and the protocols are unwarranted
— There is a pandemic where the protocols are warranted

when the truth is no virus, end of.

How do we know that it is of crucial importance? Especially in the case of 9/11, if it weren’t of crucial importance the perps would not have invested the obvious millions they have in the secondary propaganda campaign targeted to the inevitable disbelievers of their nonsense story.

JustPlainBill
JustPlainBill
Apr 23, 2023 10:04 PM

One big difference between all past authoritarian impulses and the current one is that this one is world-wide. In the past, if you were alert enough to see what was coming, you could vote with your feet–there were places you could go to get away from it. This no longer seems true.

Fred
Fred
Apr 26, 2023 3:59 AM
Reply to  JustPlainBill

There is nowhere left to defect.

MadLady
MadLady
Apr 23, 2023 8:49 PM

From “The Strangest Creature on Earth”

……You’re like a sheep, my brother:
when the cloaked drover raises his stick,
you quickly join the flock
and run, almost proudly, to the slaughterhouse.
I mean you’re strangest creature on earth—
even stranger than the fish
that couldn’t see the ocean for the water.
And the oppression in this world
is thanks to you.
And if we’re hungry, tired, covered with blood,
and still being crushed like grapes for our wine,
the fault is yours—
I can hardly bring myself to say it,
but most of the fault, my dear brother, is yours.

Nazim Hikmet, 1947

Sheep ARE strange–running “almost proudly, to the slaughterhouse”
Darwin’s natural selection writ large!

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 24, 2023 4:19 AM
Reply to  MadLady
SeverelyRegarded
SeverelyRegarded
Apr 23, 2023 8:46 PM

If news is fake imagine history

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 24, 2023 4:19 AM

Precisely!

CK_
CK_
Apr 23, 2023 5:00 PM

Simple answer- most of us (and I include myself) are sheep. It’s simply inconceivable to the vast majority that the government and MSM would lie to them.

FYI: I’m reading “180 degrees”, the Holy Grail of Conspiracy Theory books. It’s by far the best one I’ve read (truly “must-read”…sorry for the tedious cliche):

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/61456401-180-degrees

Human values
Human values
Apr 24, 2023 10:15 AM
Reply to  CK_

Thanks for the tip. I found an easy access to

”180 Degrees: Unlearn The Lies You’ve Been Taught To Believe”:

https://archive.org/details/180_20220323/mode/1up

dom irritant
dom irritant
Apr 24, 2023 5:12 PM
Reply to  Human values

an excellent book, i recommend everyone read this

Joanne
Joanne
Apr 23, 2023 12:46 PM

Willful blindness.

Edwige
Edwige
Apr 23, 2023 12:36 PM

Like the so-called elite’s behaviour during covid showed they knew there was no real virus threat, this shows they know there’s no real Russia threat:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/germany-weapons-war-ammunition-stocks-ukraine-ptc69qdcz

Straight Talk
Straight Talk
Apr 23, 2023 11:21 AM

Unfettered discussions vs unfettered capitalism.

History is plagued by the constant assault by the rentiers. They’ve finally succeeded in setting up their global tollbooth economy, which is what the US media wrote glowingly about – Hitler’s privatization progress.

A world run by corporations alone will inevitably produce a totalitarian system. A government captured by private interests cannot act as a competitor to the corporate structure which denies basic human rights enabling a quality standard of living. The ongoing contempt that capitalists have for labor, that the healthcare industry has for health and that the media has for truth has led to the Age of Broken Trust.

Broken Trust
“America in the Fifties, when I was born, through the Seventies as I grew into myself, provided comfort, opportunity and even wealth for the lower and middle classes, factors that contributed to a feeling that life was good and that the country creating such an environment was also good.”

The simple desire to live life in peace, without the constant barrage of unnecessary, artificially created threats seems to be an impossible option for people who already have more than they need.

The Naive Belief in Governmental Benevolence

Karin
Karin
Apr 23, 2023 8:30 AM

Thank you again for another insightful article.
Over the last year, I have asked around at random and found, that neither the bus driver nor the baker, the florist, the nurses, the teachers, the market gardeners or the shop assistants believe that the government can be trusted to have our interest at heart.
Covid measures and the politics of our happy-clappy government in Berlin have taken care of that.
People are frustrated and resigned. They didn’t even need to know that the German Foreign Minister has publicly announced that the opinions of her voters are of no interest to her.
People have enough trouble of their own and withdraw to the places where they still have agency or just hope, that the nightmare will somehow go away in a while. They are aware, though, that the limits of their agency are shrinking.

As long as people allow themselves to be ruled or governed by powers they cannot control, nothing much can change.

Btw. another similarity with the time before WWII is in the role of Poland and the UK. When Germany offered Poland a peace treaty in August 1939, the UK encouraged Poland to reject even negotiations with the promise they would support the Polish in whatever way needed. Which they didn’t.
When in May 2022 a peace agreement between Russia and Ukraine was near signing, the UK intervened and stopped the negotiations with the promise of NATO to support the Ukraine in further mititary action as long as necessary.
And Poland is now baying for all out war against Russia.
This time it is not just about the Ukraine as all of Europe is loosing out economically on a large scale, thus reducing the competition to the US and the UK, and creating new investment opportunities for the international powers involved.

Divide et impera still seems to work, WWIII might still be happening.

siamdave
siamdave
Apr 23, 2023 6:51 AM

‘he hoodwinked them all with juicy carrots, and at that time Germany was desperate for any sort of carrot—almost literally, considering it cost a bushel full of German marks to buy one.’ – clear proof of quite profound historical ignorance, indicating mr hayen has no authority to be commenting on anything about hitler etc. The Wiemar hyperinflation was a phenomena of the early 1920s, caused by the Versailles treaty, when Hitler was just getting the National Socialist movement underway, and was resolved pretty much by 1924. It was in fact the western banking powers who then caused the worldwide depression of the 1930s following their engineered bank crash of 1929, concerning which Hitler led Germany out of, the only western country to do so, after becoming chancellor in 1933. Under Hitler, by the mid 1930s Germany became the most prosperous European country, for which of course as mr hayen notes all the Germans passionately hated him – ???? wait wait, does that make any sense??? – let me get back to you about that … (haha pending …)

Tamim
Tamim
Apr 23, 2023 6:33 AM

Why do you think people in general are so trusting of their government and their leaders, or, for that matter, nearly anyone in authority?

People – we, you, me – are fundamentally stupid. Democracy itself – i.e., giving each of our opinions value – is also fundamentally stupid. None of this makes the article’s supposition wrong. It does however explain how the deceit in focus happens, time & again: by appealing to the lowest common denominator.

Tamim
Tamim
Apr 23, 2023 6:10 AM

Why do you think people in general are so trusting of their government and their leaders, or, for that matter, nearly anyone in authority?

People – we, you, me – are fundamentally stupid. The idea of democracy itself – of placing value in each of our opinions – is also fundamentally stupid. None of this makes the article’s supposition wrong. But it encourages an unending pandering to the lowest common denominator…which makes the deceit in focus here all the more easy.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Apr 23, 2023 3:56 AM

Question 1 to my MP – why did you walk out of the House of Commons – when my honorable friend asked some completely reasonable questions – do you know him – same party as you isn’t he? Andrew Bridgen

A: conspiracy theorist

2. Have you been jabbed?
A: why are you asking me questions

3. ULEZ – do you cycle to work?
A: of course

4. Do you approve of the current UK Government Recommendation re covid jabs for under 5’s?
A: more jabs for everyone

5: Have you any financial connection to the Pharmecutical Industry?
A: all my finanical interests have been appropriately registrered

6. Have any of your children been covid jabbed?
A: Do I look like I have got any children?

7. What are your views on the war in Ukraine?
A: Sorry, I must move on -but will you vote for me – here is my election leaflet

My wife is much faster at getting to the front door…She always agrees in less than 10 seconds. Bye

Even my son is far more tolerant and gives them a minute, and is very polie like me.

It’s my wife with the pot of piss, but she hasn’t used it yet so far as I know.

Youtube: Bridgen Videos deleteted by AI – almost no one has seen them

“Business of the House, 20 Apr 2023”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3cyC3HdI-Q

18,733 views 20 Apr 2023
Following the coroner’s court ruling that the death of Dr Stephen Wright was due to “unintended complications of the vaccine”, Andrew Bridgen MP calls on the Government to make a statement and release details of other cases where people died within 14 days of vaccination.

Slight progress

Tony

Kevin Craig
Kevin Craig
Apr 23, 2023 2:10 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Surely Bridgen himself is evidence that the game’s up where the jab/fakedemic etc are concerned. It was all a terrible time, they tell us. Things had to be done, they were scared, didn’t know what to believe, etc. Except- HA! the last bit is just not true. They didn’t need to believe to go along- and Bridgen himself is as guilty.

You saw Hitchens, Sumption etc lose their collective rags early on, and another whose name escapes me who filmed himself getting the jab, if only to ‘comply’ after eight months of telling us not to (unneccesarily, i didn’t anyway)- where are they in the death/related illnesses debate? Were they even among the MPs left listening to Bridgen?

I can’t help feeling there’s a little clairvoyance where Bridgen, Nurse Campbell and others that they ARE boarding the train nice and early, and don’t seem to care that their influence may have caused death or suffering….it’s not been covered yet as a question by legacy media as that would be acknowledging that they’re a thing- but as time goes on, it’s obvious that the jab will less and less be considered as a serious cause of mid-term to future illness, in much the same way Gulf War syndrome remains taboo.

Kacsynski2
Kacsynski2
Apr 23, 2023 3:02 AM

Wiemar Republic 2.0! can certainly see parallels.
Hyper inflation
Debauchery
Breakdown of any social cohesion
People looking for a direction or return to ‘better day’s’
People frantically looking for a saviour.

Assume many experienced during Lockdown an abeyance accompanying the other worldly obedience.
For those who felt it a hoax straight off the bat(pun intended) Yes, guess,in a way, due to Lockstep & ‘leaders’ speaking as one. Mouth of Sauron like, we all got a taste of mini ‘Hitlers’.

History will not write what many here truly feel went down.

As, “History is written by the winner’s” & as also has been said “History is but lies agreed upon” (Voltaire, apparently) So truth doesn’t seem to factor in.

If one is fortunate enough to have woken due to this hoax. Then not certain that that disqualifies the previous lifetime of obedience & ‘sheep’ like behaviour. That will be determined by a persons conduct as the boa constrictor further tightens it’s grip and transforms society further. Pits people against eachother further. As that tightening is seemingly a certainty.

Old behaviours die hard. But the current fortitude some appear imbued with. Will be tested incessantly. ‘Choices’ will be, as now, presented & no doubt a split, a parting,induced, has occurred within our quite self-centred culture’s.

Frankly, WWII looks odd on reflection especially if you look at the Victor’s work subsequently & the ‘victims’ too. Communist s & Capitalists joined to defeat the Nationals Socialists. Then, upon victory,they embarked upon the Cold War & an arms race. Bizarre. Now we have the have’s & have nots vaxed vs unvaxed. Plus the numerous race issues immigration is foisting upon certain countries too. Not to mention, but doing so, the LBGT and whatever next issue that appears everywhere we look. Social engineering in real time. Infront of our faces.

History our but lies agreed upon. History is written by the Victor’s.
Here’s hoping its ‘us’ that can write the events of these last 3 years. Once, if possible, any victory is attained.

semaj
semaj
Apr 24, 2023 8:45 PM
Reply to  Kacsynski2

Recommended reading if anyone is interested, The Falsification of History by John Hamer.

paul
paul
Apr 25, 2023 1:55 PM
Reply to  Kacsynski2

You see exactly the same things every time throughout history in declining empires on the verge of collapse.

A vast, ruinously expensive, out of control military establishment, which is at the same time completely inefficient and no longer fit for purpose. The Roman army still numbered half a million at the end, but it could no longer win battles and spent most of its time fighting civil wars and staging coups. The US war machine costs $1.2 trillion annually but cannot even produce basic artillery shells for Ukraine. Sub contracting the dirty business of war to mercenaries and proxies. A series of disastrous foreign wars.

Debauching the currency. Whether it is the denarius with a silver content reduced to zero, or increasing the US money supply by 38%, $5.9 trillion, in two years.

A vast gulf between rich and poor, the patrician class with huge estates worked by slave labour and the landless urban proletariat diverted by bread and circuses. Or a handful of billionaires owning more than half of humanity. Most people lacking any stake in the system.

Blatant corruption and cronyism at all levels, left completely unchecked. A dysfunctional political system incapable of reform.

Abysmal and often deranged leadership. Emperors like Nero and Caligula, 49 emperors in 50 years, with only one of them dying a natural death. Figures like Trump and Johnson. The worst leadership in history, arrogant, corrupt, incompetent, mendacious, irredeemably ignorant, delusional and ideologically driven.

All kinds of perversion and degeneracy, whether it is a transvestite emperor secretly plying his trade as a prostitute, or our own particular version of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Gross excess in all areas, whether it is chariot racing drivers earning millions in today’s money, or footballers on half a million a week. Celebrity chefs and media personalities earning millions.

All kinds of destructive weird fads, religions and pseudo religions, like global warming, feminism, LGBT, transhumanism, covid.

There are others.
We are going down fast.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Apr 23, 2023 2:47 AM

I have already texted my Friend

EMERGENCY ALERT!!!

Happy Birthday xx

but what these creeps in control Government???? are doing is just completely

OUTRAGEOUS

Still Terrorising People…..

Jab Jab Jab

F’ck Off and Die

bomb bomb bomb

Our Government – the most useless bunch of f’ckers for over 1,000 years….

Do not like us, and they are trying to kill us.

and they don’t think we have noticed.

I am disgusted with all of them

useless bunch of creeps

you want me to vote for you???

in london, not so long ago, when they came knocking on our door the overnight pot was full…

Go on – must be raining piss

That is what we think of you, but are too polite to say.

Tony

Carl-Edward
Carl-Edward
Apr 22, 2023 11:58 PM

I do not think people are trusting, but rather that no-one has taught them to think critically – surely the result of deficient education. Why on earth would anyone trust a government? They are all of them illegitimate and criminal.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Apr 23, 2023 4:18 AM
Reply to  Carl-Edward

so what is the point of government if “They are all of them illegitimate and criminal”?

Do they do any good?

les online
les online
Apr 22, 2023 11:50 PM

They’re already calling him ‘Bobby’ !
Such familiarity !!
Will he get The Trains to run on Time ?
How about a bit of Debt Cancellation
(more than ‘a bit’, really) ?
Michael Hudson reminds us of what happens when there’s no Debt Cancellation:
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2023/04/debt-and-the-collapse-of-antiquity-michael-hudson.html

mgeo
mgeo
Apr 23, 2023 7:32 AM
Reply to  les online

Debt has been, is being and will be cancelled – for the biggest sharks who flounder.

Jen
Jen
Apr 22, 2023 10:41 PM

One possible reason among others that people in the West put so much trust in political leaders and others in positions of authority is that Western Christianity (Roman Catholicism, Protestantism and their offshoots) teach that humans exist in a state of sin from the moment they are born, until they put their blind faith in God and Jesus, and whatever other saints and others (living and dead) they are taught to revere.

This teaching is allied to a view that humans are not capable of spiritual evolution through improving themselves by their own efforts. In this view, critical thinking is not encouraged.

Under this paradigm of viewing humanity, the only kind of politics allowable is one where the masses have to be kept in a state of ignorance, never allowed to work things out for themselves, and taught to look up to leaders and governments as nannies. Even political systems purporting to be democratic can be subverted to revere an elitist, controlling agenda if the idea of humans as essentially corrupt and incapable of self-improvement is seeded into their education systems and networks.

batman
batman
Apr 22, 2023 9:36 PM

sometimes i am wondering:
if britain created usa, what are the odds they released this tutelage? should still be at the core. So usa = british puppet overall? no offense i mean real owners (lack of better term) and at the political (power) level

batman
batman
Apr 22, 2023 9:33 PM

I believe the author read Sebastian Haffner’s story of a german. This book is very enlightneing. It says that when Hitler rose to power, germans were merely shell-shocked people on their knees, because of the past decade of tremendous societal repetitive shocks. Haffner says that at the time Hitler rose to power, the alternatives was some guy who wanted to build a society based on some jumping danse stuff, and another with some odd fancy musical stuffs (or something like that). He says that “i normal times, the first common street cop would have taken Hitler by the collar and put him in a nice cozy cell, but this did not happen).

siamdave
siamdave
Apr 23, 2023 8:59 AM
Reply to  batman

clearly this Haffner guy is right into ‘narrative creation’, not that different in essence from mr hayen’s ‘narrative support’ – when Hitler came to power the main opposition choices were the communists and the ‘social democrats’, who were the main party of the time. this haffner guy has clowns dancing in his head – but of course it’s ok, when it comes to Hitler, you can make up any old shit you want and pretty much everyone will believe it, no questions asked.

batman
batman
Apr 23, 2023 9:57 PM
Reply to  siamdave

that he’s into “narrative creation” does not implicate subjectivity; I believe that he actually objectively portrayed the events, thus his narrative being an accurate photography of what took place. He dared to take the “feeling way”, and provide the reader with his feeling about the situation. Still, he lays down basic physical events, and how people reacted. IMO he cannot be off track if the events he described “really happened”. The emotional features he dares to provide the reader – how the people felt – appear to me as a solid understanding of psychology, and an accurate photography of what took place.

It’s obvious the “dancing clowns” are in the panorama – thus Haffner not being a clown, as you seem to imply; your saying makes haffner somebody completely off track, asylum-ready.

On the opposite, the guy keeps blood cold and teaches that dancing clowns were everywhere. The guy adopts the stance of external consideration, trying to relate what he’s “served on the plate”.You would then have to discredit every psychological analysis he provides and explain how Haffner’s appreciation about such effect on the mind is inaccurate. Tying then his analysis to some personal psychological deficiency, to prove it’s not an accurate perception. Until then, I will stick to “objective psychological analysis”.

Overall, your post’s ending seems to suggest that Haffner’s account is of subjective fabric; I still don’t see arguments to accredit this hypothesis in your post, after all. You just say that he’s in “narrative creation” but “narrative creation”, in absolute consideration, bears no negativity, unless the reported events are wrongly portrayed. It’s just “writing a book”, “narrating stuffs”, unless to you it implies automatical negative process.

Something on your side, something allows you to discredit Haffner, but your input is not enough to understand what it is or prove it. Because “Hayden says the same”? What if they are both right? I mean you are shooting point blank bullets, as in “I have enough inputs to do so”… and go on around “Haffner is bullshit”. This lack of real argument, coupled with the association of poo towards Haffner, rather shocks the mind and I don’t appreciate it much, after all.

Haffner’s narrative does not locate itself, any more, when Hitler rose, in the “description of communists VS democrats”; this narrative, namely reporting the reader about political structure, pros and cons, is present before. No, when Hitler rose to power, his analysis points out to the present lack of psychological stability in the mind of people – real politics left some time ago -, leading to whatever catastrophic opportunist would have taken the pinata.

I don’t believe that there is such obsession about politics as you seem to imply; Haffner merely provies the reader with the specs of such politics, and when it’s packed up, his objective lack of hope manifests through less consideration of the “new one”. More than this, the whole book is articulated around the decaying psychological sanity in the people, political stuffs merely staying at the level of “triggers”.

The guy reached Lobaczewski’s conclusions, before his work was known. haffner got clowns in his head? Really?

Why promoting that Haffner has “clowns in his head” when basic sumup of his book amounts to the opposite?

batman
batman
Apr 22, 2023 9:23 PM

Thanks for the article; to answer your question (thanks for providing answer opportunity):

I believe that a society free from psychopathological infiltration (Lobaczewski) would just be good, and working: So people are correct in their assessment of trusting people they elected to do the job for them, etc:

Problem is thus the under-recognition of the existence of psychopathological factors, who fails the working model: People are stucked at the level of “basic template”, and they need to understand that the infiltration makes the “working template” a “non working one”.

People probably got used to some times where things were functionnal: Wealthy countries provide people still provide many people with something functionnal: Glimpses of society running adequatly:

[4% people are born with different features than normal people, merely wired with predatoristic instinct of desctruction, domination and enslavement:]

Even the mom’s got this basic: “kid, this one you stay away”

How come this valid people’s teaching did not find echo in academic science, education? This is concensus among the moms and dads, some are just:.. to be kept at bay: Pure Lobaczewski: some are in fact really intrinsicly problematic people:

So: people tend to follow blindly because the logical framework they rely on does not [enough] include the “psychopathological factor”. They rely on something incomplete and inadequate for navigating their world: Their “natural view of the world” just needs a small implementation:

mgeo
mgeo
Apr 23, 2023 7:35 AM
Reply to  batman

How come this valid people’s teaching did not find echo in academic science, education?

Who controls science and education?

Human values
Human values
Apr 24, 2023 12:26 PM
Reply to  batman

Here’s a link to the book

Andrew M. Lobaczewski
P O L I T I C A L
P O N E R O L O G Y
A science on the nature of evil
adjusted for political purposes

https://www.survivorshandbook.com/wp-content/articles/political-ponerology.pdf

Highly recommended, as it explains the power of the psychopaths, state leaders and global madness.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Apr 22, 2023 7:49 PM

You don’t have to go back as far as 1945 to experience evil. Try this for size.

A couple of weeks back we were visiting Argentina for the first time. (I have a relative there who I’ve not seen for decades.) Our visit coincided with a couple of anniversaries. One was the 24th March, a day that commemorates the 30,000 or so people who ‘disappeared’ back in the late 70s/ early 80s. The government then had adopted a “Nach and Niebel” — “Night and Fog” — strategy for dealing with dissidents, a tactic first used by Nazi Germany where people would just disappear. So all around the place there were little home made signs bearing a name and a date. Practically every bus stop we saw in Buenos Aries had some.

What is important here isn’t just the people that disappeared. It was that our governments — the US government, the UK government — were complicit in this, saying nothing because, of course, these people were ‘ours’. (If they were ‘communist’ we’d never have heard the end of it, but experience in numerous countries — Chile, Argentina, Iran, you name it — meant that if it was our dictator doing the dirty deeds then they were merely being ‘authoritarian’.)

One of my wife’s bridge partners from a decade or so ago grew up in Hamburd in the 1930s and so actually saw Brownshirts and all the other Nazi BS. But somehow it wasn’t as personal as those bits of carboard — this wasn’t long, long ago and far, far, away, this was my generation, people my age. And I just know they’d do it again if they thought they could get away with it.

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Apr 23, 2023 1:49 AM
Reply to  Martin Usher

Your wife’s bridge partner when did her family leave Hamburg..Germany?

October
October
Apr 22, 2023 5:34 PM

Is this trust in government and leaders not a class thing? People who have been at the sharp end of public policy for generations don’t overly trust those who apply it against them.

Raz Putin
Raz Putin
Apr 22, 2023 5:33 PM

Imagine a sheep in full dreads who believes that Hitler was anything more than a controlled actor placed on the German political checkerboard. We will never know if Hitler actually believed what he espoused however we can be certain of all the controlling Zionist Bankster agents within his inner circle.

Ian
Ian
Apr 22, 2023 7:12 PM
Reply to  Raz Putin

Yep. From previous comments I know Miles Mathis is not very well received on this site. I don’t promote his views – I simply add them to the mix for those who might be interested. He puts the view that the “evil Nazis” were literally gay Jewish actors. I’m not a professor of history, but I’ve done some reading on WW2. Since reading Mathis I’ve had a slightly different perspective. Much of it does seem theater performed by the “usual suspects”.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Apr 23, 2023 1:09 AM
Reply to  Ian

Oh is this a Mathis thing? Does he cite much evidence or just rely on similar-sounding names and his own imagination? A2

dom irritant
dom irritant
Apr 23, 2023 6:28 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

maybe if you scratch the surface you will find out if it is just a mathis ‘thing’

Ian
Ian
Apr 23, 2023 3:02 PM
Reply to  dom irritant

I agree – read what Mathis has to say (with an open mind) and you will find out what he has to say. Also, he’s not alone in saying what he says, though relatively few people can get their heads around this take on history – – -.

Howard
Howard
Apr 23, 2023 4:11 PM
Reply to  Ian

I think quite a few people – certainly on this site – can get their heads around anyone’s particular take on history because history itself is becoming less and less certain as more and more evidence of tampering with the facts is brough to light.

People marvel how the Pharaohs, e.g., literally changed history by removing their predecessor’s name from obelisks and inscribing their own. Somehow they imagine that process ended when the last Pharaoh died. But it seems not to have.

Mann Friedmann
Mann Friedmann
Apr 26, 2023 5:28 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

I surprised there isn’t an emoji in your comment!

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Apr 26, 2023 7:33 PM
Reply to  Mann Friedmann

Oh dear, you went full retard.

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Apr 22, 2023 5:12 PM

I am no longer able to edit posts, because the edit option does not display the text for editing.

Anyone else?

Raz Putin
Raz Putin
Apr 22, 2023 5:35 PM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

Ask the Mods here to be certain and I believe your edit option times out.

Howard
Howard
Apr 22, 2023 9:51 PM
Reply to  Raz Putin

You have 15 minutes to edit – unless you close your pc then decide to go back and edit. I’ve tried that – no more than 5 minutes; but I couldn’t edit.

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Apr 23, 2023 2:49 PM
Reply to  Howard

The new method for defeating the attacks on the site has altered that clock.

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Apr 22, 2023 5:09 PM

It is easier for people to remain deceived, rather than admitting to having been deceived.

Pride and ego get in the way of admitting an error in judgement.

Dan
Dan
Apr 22, 2023 5:06 PM

We are creatures shaped by an evolutionary past where clans were led by an alpha male. The leader didn’t always make the right decision, but you were probably better off staying with a group led by a guy who could organize men to fight and hunt than heading off on your own.

Though we like to think of ourselves as more sophisticated now, we are still wired that way. Presidential elections are almost always won by the tallest man – how primitive is that?

Unfortunately for us, the same attributes that helped ensure survival in the ancient past produce pointless wars and destruction now

Mark EL
Mark EL
Apr 23, 2023 8:58 AM
Reply to  Dan

‘Presidential elections are almost always won by the tallest man’

Not in France!

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
Apr 24, 2023 11:51 AM
Reply to  Dan

Feminist claptrap. Presidents are in any case puppets of the banksters.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Apr 22, 2023 3:44 PM

“Why do you think people in general are so trusting of their government and their leaders, or, for that matter, nearly anyone in authority?”

Mostly because they were never properly weened off daddies money and mommy’s tits. If a person listens beyond the overblown rhetoric, or peers beyond the glorious facade, there remains shadows of mommy’s corporate tit’s, and daddy’s fist enforcing the rules.

The rest is bullshit.

NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
Apr 22, 2023 10:47 PM

Years ago I read about “primitive” societies having hazardous and painful initiation rites to pass from childhood to adult status. I reckon they were on to something.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Apr 23, 2023 1:16 AM
Reply to  NixonScraypes

Hello NixonScraypes: Yes, indeed. There is a wonderful book named “Iron John” written by the author Robert Bly. Here’s a short summery. > Iron John Free Summary by Robert Bly (getabstract.com)

Good to see your post. Be well…

NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
Apr 23, 2023 11:02 PM

Thanks Paul, oi be well, be well yersel.

Hemlockfen
Hemlockfen
Apr 22, 2023 3:27 PM

Off topic……..

Another Malone link I came across today through Citizen Free Press. Another statement in the linked article about the spike protein shortening one’s life span. The statement was somewhat veiled and did not specifically state that everyone would be affected but the generally idea was conveyed by the article overall. It does not specifically point to myocarditis. Thought it would peak your interest. I have been digging off and on for the link to that podcast link you requested. It’s out there. Somewhere.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/science/articles/the-spike

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 22, 2023 3:44 PM
Reply to  Hemlockfen

Also off-topic: It’s “pique your interest”:
https://www.vocabulary.com/articles/pardon-the-expression/pique-my-interest-vs-peak-my-interest/

Sorry, I can’t help it.
I wasn’t perfect at English back in my schooldays, but I became a teacher despite myself… 🙂

rubberheid
rubberheid
Apr 22, 2023 4:13 PM
Reply to  wardropper

hilarious ; ) but aye.

Hemlockfen
Hemlockfen
Apr 22, 2023 5:33 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Thanks for the critique. My English teacher wife would have nailed me. I was lazy (my subconscious told me to check and I ignored it).

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 22, 2023 8:17 PM
Reply to  Hemlockfen

Thanks for that gracious reply, Hem.
I don’t mean to preach, and I don’t mean to disrupt the important discussions going on.

After all, correct grammar/spelling/usage isn’t the reason we’re here.
It’s just that it’s a subject I care about.

Kevin Craig
Kevin Craig
Apr 22, 2023 3:55 PM
Reply to  Hemlockfen

I’m no fan of Malone. It’s no secret. But as the self-styled creator of Mrna, does he have any recorded opinion of the stark change in people’s behaviour upon taking the shots? Was it something that hadn’t been ‘ironed out’ (as if they would), or even considered as worthy of note?

I think his fucking around with genetic therapies and delivery systems has seen several factors be swept under the carpet, since his Superman act in now claiming his wish to halt them. He knows a lot more than he’s letting on, and while lots and lots of ghouls focus on death and turbo-cancer statistics, the ‘living’ are practically zombies. Those are the ones we need to deal with once everyone else is buried.

Hemlockfen
Hemlockfen
Apr 22, 2023 5:28 PM
Reply to  Kevin Craig

I can’t speak to his motivations. He does seem superhuman in a sense by being immune to the attacks by the MSM and others. Must have a good 401k fund and on the brink of retirement. Always sensed that he is “off” and inconsistent. But his credibility and fearlessness to state the obvious has drawn me in.

I see him as the Anti-Fauci.

There are many others that have taken the same stance as he. Malone has gone to great lengths by traveling, guest speaking and taking interviews without regard for the potential fallout.

Best I can do to respectfully recognize your comment.

We need more people like him who are willing to go against the narrative.

Kevin Craig
Kevin Craig
Apr 22, 2023 8:59 PM
Reply to  Hemlockfen

That’s fair enough. Malone may have been stricken by conscience, perhaps that’s what happened to Mike Yeadon? Personally i’ve tuned in to everything Yeadon has had to say, but he was merely the CEO- Malone knows the intricates of the make-up. The truth is no-one actually really knows, but we’re all stuck here in what the kids call ‘limited hangout’, which isn’t really getting out to anyone not already interested in it, and we’re only here arguing rather than doing so with new normalians because even discussing Malone is taboo.

The likes of Bridgen, Nurse Campbell et al make me sick, tbh. People said and did some terribly divisive things, and i for one have a very tough time forgiving. Not that my forgiveness matters, obviously.

Duckman
Duckman
Apr 22, 2023 6:05 PM
Reply to  Kevin Craig

you and others may find this article interesting as another angle re exactly what is the purpose of the “vaccines”, fucking around with genes is one expression, dark instruction is another

https://hiddeninthecrag.org/2023/03/28/messengerrna-now-and-then/

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Apr 23, 2023 6:39 PM
Reply to  Duckman

Thanks for the link, interesting.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Apr 22, 2023 11:02 PM
Reply to  Hemlockfen

Remember the fear porn about so and so many would die from the vaccine within 1,5 years m.m.?
Our dear deep state uses both sides to sow fear, and as the first two alarm scenarios didnt appear, I am reluctant to jump on the rest.
The vaxx takes your own immune defence and makes you more vulnerable, and thus open for a lot of future vaccines. I would leave it there until further notice.

Placental Mammal
Placental Mammal
Apr 24, 2023 7:44 AM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

Is this turning into a pro clot shot forum ? Aren’t you one of the shills from the RFK jr thread ?

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Apr 24, 2023 2:51 PM

I dont understand what you mean? I think you read both this thread and the RFK thread wrong.

Hemlockfen
Hemlockfen
Apr 26, 2023 10:36 AM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

People are still dropping from vax side effects. Only difference now is no one is talking about it. Malone suggested the spike would be hanging around for decades and not weeks as predicted by vax manufacturers. None of those spike caused deaths will be reported as vax deaths. Meanwhile, they have a dozen or so new spike producing mRNA projects in development. Their goal is to replace all of the regularly scheduled vaccines with mRNA based jabs. The cost savings for big pharma will be fantastic. And the climate change benefits……… The deaths and sterilizations will go a long way toward saving the earth. Scary isn’t it? Or not…… Not if you are a climate change alarmist. Then it would be something exciting to look forward to. You think maybe the United Nations has a conflict of interest lurking among their ranks? WHO wants to increase survivors in the “next” plandemic while their highly paid Climatologists want less people on Earth to reduce Carbon and methane emissions. Hmmm.

Jonathan K X
Jonathan K X
Apr 22, 2023 3:09 PM

What do Hitler, the Bolsheviks, the Chinese communists and the new world order sock puppets all have in common? They were all financed by the same Anglo-American banking interests.

Kevin Craig
Kevin Craig
Apr 22, 2023 3:42 PM
Reply to  Jonathan K X

Of course they were

The hard work of 1897-1917 in securing what they call the Holy Land, especially when still being unsure of the likely victors until it was signed, couldn’t go to waste. How do we convince people to come and live in the desert, leaving behind the fantastic cities of Frankfurt, Vienna, Berlin, Munich etc?

I’m never convinced that anywhere near all the bad guys were dealt with. In fact, most of them are still around in some guise or another.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Apr 22, 2023 11:14 PM
Reply to  Jonathan K X

Except maybe Hitler…? He created an autonomous money system for his people that made his country independent from the Internationalists / Banksters. That’s why Germany got bombarded so.

Hitler devised a national credit program to build and repair the country’s infrastructure putting millions of people to work. This government-issued money was a receipt of labour and could be exchanged for other goods and services, thereby creating more jobs.

“Within two years, the unemployment problem had been solved and the country was back on its feet. It had a solid, stable currency, no debt, and no inflation, at a time when millions of people in the United States and other Western countries were still out of work and living on welfare. Germany even managed to restore foreign trade, although it was denied foreign credit and was faced with an economic boycott abroad.” (Ellen Brown)

In Billions for the Bankers, Debts for the People (1984), Sheldon Emry commented:

Germany issued debt-free and interest-free money from 1935 and on, accounting for its startling rise from the depression to a world power in 5 years. Germany financed its entire government and war operation from 1935 to 1945 without gold and without debt, and it took the whole Capitalist and Communist world to destroy the German power over Europe and bring Europe back under the heel of the Bankers. Such history of money does not even appear in the textbooks of public (government) schools today.

siamdave
siamdave
Apr 23, 2023 9:14 AM
Reply to  Jonathan K X

it’s called ‘flooding the zone’ – put so much BS out there that most people can’t find their way to what really happened – Hitler kicked the international banking cartel out of Germany, and subsequently, within a couple of years, had Germany back on the road to economic prosperity while the banker-controlled countries wallowed in the bankers’ ‘depression’ for years to come. Of course they supported Hitler, and subsequently destroyed him and his National Socialism with extreme prejudice. ?????? This is kind of like arguing that of course covid is real and the vaccines safe and effective – look at all the stories from the media proving this!!!!!. sure.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Apr 24, 2023 12:23 AM
Reply to  Jonathan K X

The US and the banksters may have built up the Hitler regime … until it didn’t suit them any more – i.e. when H. ditched the debt-based money system with which the banksters then and now keep each nation by the short and curlies.

That’s their MO – they finance all sides of any conflict – they’re not racists, or anything, so long as money can be made – then they decide which country should get broke and its assets taken over.

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Apr 23, 2023 5:56 AM
Reply to  Veri Tas

Brave words
The NSDAP industrial 1923-34, 1935 The Worlds Bank Das Reich. Now your not representative of industry in your own Country’s working Men & Women and the Young unions schooling Oh! Credit Debit excuse me. Carry on ww2 fat fuck faggot.
Stop it your too early come back in 2035. Please.

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
Apr 23, 2023 2:48 AM
Reply to  Jonathan K X

Don’t get the point. What if they were? Do you mean they shouldn’t have been?

To use the words of a high official of French government of the mid-twenties of the last century when he was asked to explain how is it possible that France imports Russian oil:

I can assure you that Russian oil doesn’t contain communist microbes and the Bolshevik disease doesn’t propagate through the pipelines.

Translated from the french as quoted in Comment les Soviets règleront la dette Russe, d’après le travaux de la Commission officielle Franco-Soviétique [How will the Soviets cancel the Russian debt, according to the works of the official franco-soviet Commission], by Francis Delaisi, 1928.

siamdave
siamdave
Apr 23, 2023 9:08 AM
Reply to  Jonathan K X

which clearly explains why the banking cartel worked or has worked so assiduously to destroy all these people since they emerged – clever chaps those bankers no doubt. Getting useful idiots to spread this kind of nonsense …

Human values
Human values
Apr 24, 2023 12:38 PM
Reply to  Jonathan K X

”They were all financed by the same Anglo-American banking interests.”

Yes. Money creates conflicts and funds both sides of the conflict.

I already gave a link to Antony C. Sutton’s book ”Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler – How western capitalists funded Hitler and National Socialism” (1976). Here’s a link to his 1974 book

”Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution
How western capitalists funded Lenin, the Bolsheviks, and the Soviet Union”:

https://modernhistoryproject.org/mhp?Article=BolshevikRev

Rob
Rob
Apr 22, 2023 3:06 PM

You said it… The Germans trusted their leader because he delivered.
Our leaders just talk. They claim victories but only in bullshit, like con-vid.
Prosperity is at an all time low.
Trust in authority is falling, so much so that the wef did a presentation on how to regain trust, lol.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 22, 2023 3:40 PM
Reply to  Rob

And let’s not forget that Germans really needed a leader back in 1933.

rubberheid
rubberheid
Apr 22, 2023 4:16 PM
Reply to  wardropper

? clarify..

you mean their innate hubris demanded such a leader, Make Deutchland Great Again??

siamdave
siamdave
Apr 23, 2023 9:17 AM
Reply to  rubberheid

no their choice of other leaders were all doing the same as western leaders of the time – wringing their hands in faux despair crying how helpless they were to do anything about anything, the horrible world depression was beyond their control, etc etc etc – Hitler stood in front of the Germans like a true leader and said – give me a chance, and I will deliver – and unlike pretty much every other politician of the time, and since – he did as he promised. For which, of course, not unlike a certain Mr Trump, he had to be taken out. And was. With extreme prejudice so nobody else would ever get leadership ideas like that again.

Johnny
Johnny
Apr 22, 2023 2:55 PM
Hemlockfen
Hemlockfen
Apr 22, 2023 5:44 PM
Reply to  Johnny

Nice post.

Ann in Oregon
Ann in Oregon
Apr 22, 2023 7:07 PM
Reply to  Johnny

Thanks for the link, Johnny

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Apr 22, 2023 11:49 PM
Reply to  Johnny

Naive?
The story says the sheeple are innocent victims and government the bad wolf, but is it so?
Whether we like Trump or not, fact is he tried to pull US troops home, didnt start new wars, he made jobs, he challenged fake media, but he had to bomb the desert and some empty houses in Syria and Afghan to maintain his voter base 10% high.
We the people love bloodshed and need a tyrant to make us feel safe. I would say cowardice!

Pop Pop RO
Pop Pop RO
Apr 22, 2023 2:10 PM

I agree, we are all being played, every day, every way, even in alternative media. When we can all stop voting, paying our bills, taxes etc. then we can all stand up and fight back. Leonardo DaVinci said,” there are 3 types of people in the world, those that see, those that see when they are shown, and those that never see,” it seems most fall in the last category. Wake up world. Let’s take it back.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Apr 22, 2023 11:53 PM
Reply to  Pop Pop RO

Someone else said almost the same. There is 3 types of people; 5% who can think, 10% who think they can think, and 85% who would rather die than think.

siamdave
siamdave
Apr 23, 2023 1:48 PM
Reply to  Pop Pop RO

taking it back – some thoughts on getting on with that here – Democracy Study Guide – https://www.rudemacedon.ca/DSG/0000-summary.html

Albert Anderson
Albert Anderson
Apr 22, 2023 2:06 PM

Seems more like human nature to me. We aren’t all that smart when it comes down it. Follow the leader reminds me of my experience working for the federal government. I would periodically ask colleagues why we did this or that and invariably the answer was “that’s the way we’ve always done it”. In other words, they never took the time to analyze why we did this or that, they just did it without questioning the process, system, or particular task/assignment. That’s kind of the same way with following leaders. We’re so trained and it’s so ingrained to have a leader, a supervisor, someone in charge, that most simply cannot imagine, or will not, a different way. I’ve proposed many times to abolish the POTUS, making the broad case that one single person should never and can not hold power over, for example in the U.S., 330 million people. When I think of someone like Trump or Biden signing an “Executive order” that impacts 330 million people, I’m in total disagreement with that process. But most simply don’t question it. In fact, even in the alternative media and amongst those like on Off Guardian that seem to know more “truth” than most, a statement like abolishing the Office of the President or abolishing the royalty system doesn’t get a ripple. No one fucking cares. Not only that, most can’t envision something that different, it’s like throwing a wrench into a robot’s brain, they short circuit. Most people just aren’t equipped and don’t even want to question anything, let alone broad systems of human activity like government and government “leaders”. Maybe it’s a combination of trust and limited ability to actually think for themselves. Maybe it all went wrong when the first cave men and women allowed “Gah” to make their decisions for them and ended up getting killed by the new clan down the cave block.

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Apr 22, 2023 5:00 PM

The answers to many of your questions are very obvious.

I don’t think it is fair to say that most people are not smart. I have met many people in my life that only went through 12th grade, or didn’t finish through 12th grade, that are intellectually more capable than most engineers and scientists I have worked with. The education system isn’t educating and fostering creative cortical thought. The school system is an indoctrination system of unquestioning order following.

The office of POTUS isn’t anything so important, or powerful, that eliminating that one office, would have a significant impact on lessing the overreach of government. It is the alphabet agencies where real power resides, especially with the intelligence, military and enforcement.

Ann in Oregon
Ann in Oregon
Apr 22, 2023 7:15 PM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

Defund the alphabet agencies.

GogMagog
GogMagog
Apr 23, 2023 12:22 PM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

Please!

The alphabet agencies are now instruments of the international(globalist) banker elite. Which answers your unanswered question above….”what was it about the nazi party that wasn’t the epitome of evil?”

Well they kicked out that parasite, conquered hyper inflation and offered an alternative to global mafia banking families.

In regards to the authors first paragraphs in this article, warning of hitlers instead of the core (more severe) problem of who facilitates or gives rise to these hitlers is like warning people of smoke inhalation while they’re trying to exit a burning building.

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Apr 23, 2023 2:53 PM
Reply to  GogMagog

Yet Hitler still used bankers to fund his war. Bankers that ultimately were linked to the same people that he “kicked out”.

In the end, all that was achieved was the destruction of Germany, Russia becoming more powerful, and full execution of the Balfour Agreement. Also the creation of the European Union that isn’t that different than his fascist dream for all of Europe.

Even if he had a few admirable goals in the beginning, he failed so miserably that the entire world is suffering more than ever.

BuelahMan
BuelahMan
Apr 22, 2023 1:49 PM

“It was even less obvious at this time that some petty Austrian big mouth like Hitler would one day rule with an iron and murderous fist.”

Shazam! The Nazi card was played so early on that I don’t even know the premise of the article. I had to quit reading. I need truth, not the regurgitated scare tactics that gets hits.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Apr 22, 2023 3:28 PM
Reply to  BuelahMan

Yes. Reference to the Nazi regime has been redundant for about 60+ years, yet provides lite entertainment for persons who have no functional interest or knowledge of history.

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Apr 22, 2023 5:03 PM

What historical details are we all missing such that the National Socialist Party should not be viewed as evil and tyrannical?

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
Apr 24, 2023 12:06 PM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

History is written by the victors, shill.

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Apr 24, 2023 4:01 PM

That isn’t an argument. Try harder at not just throwing out ad hominem attacks like a low IQ person.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Apr 26, 2023 7:38 PM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

There appear to be cyclical agendas pursued btl in order to control free discussion. Currently it’s the ‘joos’, after a very welcome break.

It’s not a real controversy amongst intelligent people commenting in good faith. There’s no honest reason for anyone to fall out. But, alas, not everyone is on the same page. A2

Howard
Howard
Apr 22, 2023 3:44 PM
Reply to  BuelahMan

You “need” truth? You do realize you’re the only entity in the entire universe that can give yourself that which you “need”? No one else and nothing else can hand truth to you; so if you read articles to find truth, you will forever go begging.

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Apr 22, 2023 5:02 PM
Reply to  BuelahMan

What good things did the Nazi Socialist Party do that you think it shouldn’t be the epitome of evil and tyranny?

Victor G.
Victor G.
Apr 23, 2023 3:12 PM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

At least Musso-weenie made the trains run in time …

Butties
Butties
Apr 22, 2023 5:43 PM
Reply to  BuelahMan

Well if you don’t read then Shazam! LLort?

peter mcloughlin
peter mcloughlin
Apr 22, 2023 1:41 PM

Hitler became “Germany’s saviour. And once the average German began to accept his place and power, they began to adore him.” I think people love the powerful because they feel some of that power seeps down to them in their ordinary lives. In Nazi Germany – and everywhere else – power is always the allure. But as history warns, though few see, power is an illusion: it is impermanent, no one can hold it forever.
https://patternofhistory.wordpress.com/

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Apr 22, 2023 5:07 PM

Or maybe he said, and in some cases did, the right things, for the majority of people, in the beginning.

Then when friends and neighbors that started questioning what was going on, started disappearing, they were too afraid to say anything.

How would you feel about a political power that has enveloped your nation, that has brainwashed their children to turn you in if you dare to have a dissenting word, and willing to run into machine gun fire for the leader?

Not that different than most of history.

Howard
Howard
Apr 22, 2023 1:39 PM

The answer to why people go along can be found in the expression “going along to get along.” At rock bottom, people accept what they’re told by their “leaders” – whether they actually believe it or not – because they immediately see an opportunity for themselves lurking somewhere in there.

“There just might be something for me in there!” goes farther to characterize ordinary people than perhaps anything else.

Consider Mr. Plunkitt of New York’s Tammany Hall the archetype of humanity: “I seen my opportunities and I took ’em.”

Stella
Stella
Apr 22, 2023 1:27 PM

It’s a human need to believe in a savour.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 22, 2023 3:38 PM
Reply to  Stella

It’s equally necessary to recognize a saviour when he actually speaks to us…
So many people today glibly state, “I have no faith”, without having the faintest idea what they are really saying.

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Apr 22, 2023 8:52 PM
Reply to  wardropper

So true…

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
Apr 24, 2023 12:08 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Are you saying Jesus is a savious ?

Victor G.
Victor G.
Apr 23, 2023 3:16 PM
Reply to  Stella

Personally, I favor truffles …

Ort
Ort
Apr 23, 2023 8:24 PM
Reply to  Victor G.

But you’ll have to have them all pulled out after the Savoy Truffle! 😉

Freecus
Freecus
Apr 22, 2023 1:03 PM

Why do you think people in general are so trusting of their government and their leaders, or, for that matter, nearly anyone in authority?

The corporate nation state system maneuvers/steers people into a position where they cease, to a large degree, to be the “author” of their own story.
The groups that control the private Central Banks maneuver/steer governments into a position where they cease, to a large degree, to be the “author” of their own story.
It’s not a matter of trust, deep down it’s the threat of coercion.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 22, 2023 12:58 PM

I suspect far more people can connect the dots than most of us realize.

It’s just that they’re too scared to talk about it.
Peer pressure, don’t ya know…

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Apr 22, 2023 8:55 PM
Reply to  wardropper

I would prefer what you say to be the truth, and maybe it is…has anyone done an anonymous survey?

From my own personal experience, which is not very broad, I do not see this at all. ALL of the people that I know who could be labelled sheep have not connected ANY dots…again, maybe my experience does not represent the whole…but wow…it is rather frightening!!

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Apr 23, 2023 12:13 AM
Reply to  Todd Hayen

There is a prized Chinese short film I love, describing this eternal life concept, Bus 44.
The hero man, the hero woman sacrificing herself as women can do for the right cause, the tyrants, and the sheeple.
The hero man and hero woman will in the sheeple’s mind be those who disturbs their comfort, while the tyrants are those the sheeple can pay to protect the same.

Thus the sheeple will at any time sacrifice the heroes in favour of paying for the tyrants protection. https://youtu.be/bJjje4iZPXg Bus 44..

Howard
Howard
Apr 22, 2023 10:02 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Before anyone can connect the dots…they must have first found the dots. And there’s the problem.

Some dots may be right there, staring us in the face; but others may be hidden and have to be ferreted out.

Not everyone enjoys – or has the time – to investigate, research and compare until the little buggers are located.

But if the obvious dot only makes sense connected to the hidden dot, what chance do most people have of ever making the connection?

Grafter
Grafter
Apr 22, 2023 12:50 PM

Yep THEY ain’t stopping. As Corbett outlined in preceding article it’s war on your mind and this time it’s global. Don’t forget to switch off your mobile tomorrow afternoon and avoid THEM filling your eardrums with EMERGENCT ALERTS.

Kevin Craig
Kevin Craig
Apr 22, 2023 11:36 AM

So, a man in a suit was able to convince a whole mass body of people of the correct course of action? They’re still doing it now!

I could bore with Time Man of the Year 1937, the Haavara agreement, the bombing of the King David Hotel and the fact that one of the largest Zionist insurgency groups in the Mandate (Irgun) were bombing British and not German, Italian or any other forces in the area- but they’re clearly all just coincidences of figments of my imagination.

SeamusPadraig
SeamusPadraig
Apr 22, 2023 3:19 PM
Reply to  Kevin Craig

Not to gainsay your larger point — Hitler was indeed a Zionist — but were there really German and Italian forces in Palestine then?

Kevin Craig
Kevin Craig
Apr 22, 2023 3:44 PM
Reply to  SeamusPadraig

Weren’t the Nord Afrika Korps not seconded? Egypt certainly was a battlefield. There appeared no urge to quell them, when there were British to be shot at.

Violet
Violet
Apr 22, 2023 4:39 PM
Reply to  SeamusPadraig

He was not.

Kevin Craig
Kevin Craig
Apr 22, 2023 5:05 PM
Reply to  Violet

Who did more to populate the enterprise?

On the one hand, the word ‘stooge’ can be used- a pawn to identify the very worst of humanity- the truth doesn’t matter. But it’s a closed book, no one can EVER be as bad as Hitler! But he did publicise the need for a “Jewish state”.

On the other, the term ‘radical nationalist/socialist’ directly identifies the potential for the horrors of xenophobia/sectarian/ethnic preference. Only one of the two has proven profitable for the cult- if anything, fighting nationalism and “the far right” is the gift that keeps on giving for the parasites- after covering racism, sexism and ‘unconscious bias’, they’ve thrown the gays, the trannies into the mixer, and very shortly the paedos will be joining them. Think of all the Quango cash they can Fagin to continue funding shit like this.

mgeo
mgeo
Apr 23, 2023 8:04 AM
Reply to  Kevin Craig

Insurgency groups sounds nicer than terrorits.

Willem
Willem
Apr 22, 2023 9:45 AM

‘But this handful of people knew unmistakably what was about to roll over them. If you were one of those, and looked, even with a cursory glance, you would see it, and you would not have dismissed it.’

True, but what happened with this handful of people? – Most, were just not listened to and were excommunicated, either through (voluntary) exile, or by other traditional means as in no longer being able to do the job where you have a voice. They were the Cassandra’s of their time similar as to that we are the Cassandra’s of our time. Klaus Mann wrote about this in Mephisto and in The Volcano. Not a happy time…

And some of them were killed, like Boenhoffer, the white rose etc, but this was the exception not the rule.

As you can read in Milton Mayer’s book ‘They Thought They Were Free’ the far majority simply complied because they saw no other option. They never believed the lies and silently betted against Hitler. Hypocritical maybe, but given that the only other option was exile or death, maybe not the worst from an egoistic point of view. Some were trying to change things from within and chose for the lesser evil. Which only works in blockbuster movies like Schindler’ list, or in great minds that can be filled with great quantities of water, like Chomsky’s mind. Yet to believe in choosing for lesser evil is still tempting for cowards who try to see themselves as shrewd hero’s.

Another reason is that the alternative belief (the believe in the state) gives you the advantage to not having to think for yourself. Thinking is a painful business, which for that reason, many people don’t like.

In Mayer’s words:

‘Nazism gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about—we were decent people—and kept us so busy with continuous changes and ‘crises’ and so fascinated, yes, fascinated, by the machinations of the ‘national enemies,’ without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us. Unconsciously, I suppose, we were grateful. Who wants to think.’

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Apr 23, 2023 2:52 PM
Reply to  Willem

I think many forget what civilisation is. Its ineffective if each man must be his own doctor, engineer, carpenter, farmer, make his own well, musician, etc.

We divide us in specialisation because we all benefit from it together, and we call this civilisation. Saying politicians and government have their own function as coordinator of common tasks in the public space.

This means we must respect each other for the civilisation task we have.

The police must be respected for maintaining public order and keep the amount of perverts down, politicians must be respected for the roll they have in coordinating the public space, defence of the country, agreements with other nations, etc.

Only when the public order and tasks are not fulfilled we have an obligation and right to take over these task from the public ourselves, and this moment is here now.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Apr 23, 2023 5:22 PM
Reply to  Willem

It is unclear to me that Hayen has read Meyer’s book or Hannah Arendt for that matter. It’s too glib.

Johnny
Johnny
Apr 22, 2023 9:43 AM

Maybe people trust governments because they get things fixed.They do stuff.
The exceptions being the US, where, we often read, infrastructure is crumbling (and we know why) and in Italy, where corruption and incompetence are rife.
Roads, footpaths, bridges, parks, schools, hospitals, etc for the most part are maintained and/or updated.
And of course the police, the military and the experts keep us safe from marauding hordes, bloodthirsty foreigners, and plagues.
Many Folks also need a Father or Mother figure to ‘guide’ them the rough waters of the world. They wouldn’t admit that of course but it’s obvious come election time, especially in the insane party jingoism of US elections.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 22, 2023 1:05 PM
Reply to  Johnny

I don’t buy it.
Today’s governments don’t get things fixed, and the “stuff they do” is either a smokescreen or a thin coat of white, low-quality, water-based paint.

In western countries, as far as I can see, the mere survival of our welfare, health, social, cultural and educational institutions is largely due to their own initiatives.
They don’t look remotely “fixed” to me.

The government just wants all those things to go away and die.

Let’s not forget who the “government” actually is these days.
It is Rishi Whatsisname, it is Macron, it is Trudeau and it is the colossal horde of their blind, bribed, or threatened followers.

Johnny
Johnny
Apr 22, 2023 2:00 PM
Reply to  wardropper

You don’t have to ‘buy’ it wardropper. You’re paying for it.

Taxes to the Left, taxes to the right.
We’re even taxed when we’re dead.
That’s how they appear half competent. Using OUR money.

zenpriest
zenpriest
Apr 22, 2023 8:49 PM
Reply to  Johnny

Taxation is theft. They enrich themselves and brainwash, maim and kill us using OUR labour. All governments have to go, the people will organise locally. Life won’t be easy but it will be more meaningful and dignified. We won’t be slaves.

dom irritant
dom irritant
Apr 23, 2023 7:09 AM
Reply to  zenpriest

tax was the ‘slang’ word we as children used in the playground which meant to steal or take

zenpriest
zenpriest
Apr 22, 2023 8:46 PM
Reply to  Johnny

Oh isn’t the government nice using our exorbitant taxes to upkeep the roads (arguably not doing in the UK).
Never mind the trillions they waste and steal and indebt us with.
The govt. doesn’t do shit for us. I could give a shit about a few roads. I prefer freedom and myself and my community will keep us safe from ‘marauding hordes’.

Victor G.
Victor G.
Apr 23, 2023 3:27 PM
Reply to  Johnny

Hey Gianni,
any particular reason for casting aspersions in the direction of Italia? Sadly, and to the great detriment of the population, Italia has been occupied by the US of As since 1945.
Incompetence? Care to give some examples? I’ll go you one for one with brilliant competence in any field you choose. Even government.
Hands off, amico.