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Conference on Propaganda and COVID-19

This weekend PANDA in association with the Portuguese Society of Integrative Medicine, are sponsoring a conference on Propaganda and mental health, with a focus on the recent Covid19 psy-op.

Speakers will include regular OffG contributor Dr Piers Robinson, Mark Crispin Miller, Mattias Desmet and many more. You can view the full programme and list of of speakers through their website, and the conference will streamed live here.

An Open Letter from the Organizers

In October 2022, we dared to believe that we would be able to organise a major, serious, quality event that would bring together experts from the various fields of science and openly discuss another way of managing pandemic crises. Errors were pointed out, possible causes and solutions were discussed. They were 3 days of celebration for science.

However, because we felt that not everything was properly debated, there was the need to continue and so the International Congress on Mental Health and Propaganda in Pandemic emerged.

The aim of this new congress will be to talk about the consequences that the health measures imposed over two years have had, have and will have on the mental health of children, young people, adults and the elderly.

We will also discuss the studies underway on the sociological and worldwide phenomenon that occurred in 2020 and that led to the Global Confinement and a perpetual state of moral panic that has occurred in recent years.

Last and not least, another theme will be Propaganda in the West. What mechanisms exist behind Western governments that allow them to influence and modify the behaviour of their citizens?
Let’s get to know them, learn to identify them and fight them!

More than indoctrination, our purpose is education. More than making people believe what we say, we want to give people the tools to look at reality, see its many facets and accept only that which makes sense.

All together we will make a difference, but it is in each one of us that the seed of Change lies.

Come join us in Fatima on the 20th and 21st of May.

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Jerry Alatalo
Jerry Alatalo
May 21, 2023 7:50 PM

Bombshell legal discussion with Dr. David Martin on COVID/mRNA injection major medical fraud and mass murder crimes against humanity:

https://rumble.com/v2p01om-dr.-david-martin-interview-vaccine-choice-canada.html

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
May 21, 2023 12:10 PM

They make a few hints toward it, but why do Corbett, Bell and Nass ignore G.K. Chesterton (Eugenics & Other Evils; 1922) and H.G. Wells et al (The Great State; 1912)? Is it because the Whitecoats still want a medicalised paradigm of “health”? Contrary to the general premise of the discussion, Public Health is doing exactly what it was created to do. It has not been corrupted and it is not run by the wrong the people. Instead, it is intended to deliver Wellsian “socialism”; it is inherently collectivist and totalitarian; and it inevitably involves the abolition of the very notions of privacy and the private individual. — https://rumble.com/v2ovh1y-the-myth-of-pandemic-preparedness-with-james-corbett-dr.-david-bell.html childrenshealthdefense Streamed on: May 20, 2023 The Myth of Pandemic Preparedness With James Corbett + Dr. David Bell Host: Meryl Nass — https://archive.org/details/TheGreatState H.G. Wells et al (1912) Prefatory Note to The Great State It is interesting to note certain juxtapositions;… Read more »

Howard
Howard
May 21, 2023 4:04 PM

The Eugenicists don’t practice what they preach – or else they would all partake of a Jim Jones ritual and dispatch themselves to the great beyond. For, in truth, they are among the least useful humans on the planet. Go figure!

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 20, 2023 2:05 AM

I am currently preparing to go camping again at a music festival with my lovely wife, who has not quite yet got her state pension, and I read something in the Daily Telegraph, which is probably true – about doctors now prescribing Amitriptyline for pain and migraine instead of paraecetemol… Do these Doctors know what they are doing or are they doing it on purpose? My wife, normally a very happy cheery girl even now after over 41 years with me got the baby blues, about 33 years ago, whilst breast feeding our second child.. She said I am a bit pissed off….possibly because she had also given up her job to be a full time mum. So the doctor prescribed her this enormous bottle of Amitriptyline -probably about 100 high strength pills After 2 days, my normal happy girl breastfeeding turned into a mindless totally depressed zombie – such… Read more »

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
May 20, 2023 5:52 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Break a leg Tony stay the hell away from our community Londoner your sick in the head mate. A person’s pain level is no other individuals business. You don’t know anyone else, think on it while listening to your music.

correspondencecommitttee
correspondencecommitttee
May 19, 2023 11:00 PM

After Covid: Twelve Challenges for a Shattered World
https://brownstone.org/articles/after-covid-twelve-challenges-for-shattered-world/

George Mc
George Mc
May 19, 2023 8:02 PM

The ever excellent Simon Elmer: https://www.bitchute.com/video/AqFyy9LPQkKD/ Note what he says just after the 11 minute mark about how the covid death statistics were basically just conjured up from rejigging definitions and how the “data was producing what the data was designed to produce”. This is a little observation and by this point it’s a piece of foundational knowledge for any readers to Off-G and yet it’s only when you go over it and hear it being said that it hits you again – as it always should – that this simple observation embodies the entire fraud. Of course there is more to it than that but this statistical juggling in itself is all you need to know. And the implications are staggering. Because the scam was relayed everywhere. On every media channel, in every country, across all the defined political boundaries – and all the way out to the “extreme” and… Read more »

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
May 20, 2023 7:20 PM
Reply to  George Mc

American Men are suffering from drinking excessive amounts of water.,resulting in calcium coating their blabbers. Females water works as we all know are different and don’t suffer from it. I’ve noticed the organtic socially have morphed away overlayed by new range of commercialising medicines. I mentioned it because you’d think a Male politician would be aware of differentials between a Man and a Woman.

George Mc
George Mc
May 19, 2023 2:31 PM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65636112 “Woo youth vote or die, Matt Hancock tells Conservatives” “We’ve got to embody the socially liberal, positive values that people under 50 overwhelmingly support,” says Matt. “It’s an existential question”. But what isn’t these days? So what are the young people looking for in politics? “Curbing climate change, providing more affordable housing, and technological innovation”. Only the middle one has any whiff of credibility. We find that “the creeping Americanisation of British politics has damaged the Conservative brand” and some young people think the Tories are “all Make American Great Again lunatics”. Doubtful but the MAGA label sets us up again with the cartoon Far Right villain image. (Sure enough we later get a reference to a “right-wing American think tank”.) We also find that “the war against woke” is “a term that has come to symbolise conservative resistance to social changes”. How remarkable that the usual Right con… Read more »

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 19, 2023 5:22 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Matt Hancock, should be in jail, awaiting trial on the charge of mass genocide, as should most of the rest of them. I have almost no respect for any of them. Even Andrew Bridgen said nothing until it was much too late.

The only major politician I have any respect for is Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

His book about massive corruption in US Government and The Pharmaceutical and Medical Profession is AWESOME.

“The Real Anthony Fauci: Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health”

SeamusPadraig
SeamusPadraig
May 20, 2023 12:10 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Well, it is Matt Hancock, after all, so what would you expect? I am not British; but if I were, the only ‘Tories’ I would take seriously would be those who have been expelled from the party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Bridgen

Yeah, I guess ‘Americanized’ is the right word to use. The Tories are an absolute joke and a shame — a British version of the GOP. Meanwhile, NuLabour is just like the New Democrats in the US. But it’s also the same in France, Germany and everywhere else.

George Mc
George Mc
May 20, 2023 3:21 AM
Reply to  SeamusPadraig

The whole of the political spectrum is utterly corrupt and merely expresses what the parasite class wish to impose – just as the media in general do not give “news” but always issue memes that habituate the public into the required mood. That’s why the only politicians worth listening to – whether ostensibly Left or Right – are the ones who are fired.

Matt Hancock is delivering the ruling class verdict that “the Right” are currently “unfashionable” since the rulers now want a “Left” spin to implement their reset.

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
May 20, 2023 8:02 PM
Reply to  SeamusPadraig

You don’t speak English then That’s British “I am Not” doesn’t exist on the Web chum. Let me tell you something, I’d never heard of Hancock untill I saw a picture on the net shaking hands with Trump over something selling our NHS records.
Life’s funny isn’t it. Wish I’d known I send Mr Trump my extended version of Master & Servant (DM)
Cheers

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
May 20, 2023 7:41 PM
Reply to  George Mc

We have to help Americans because …they are….far away..Yea Yanks are nutters blimey where you been. Popeye…on USSR Planet Know Fuckall…” What’s this US Buck doing in my Royal Mint Piggy Bank!”
What an idiot.

Sam I am
Sam I am
May 19, 2023 1:18 PM

Why isn’t it a huge scandal?
Well it *is* a scandal, *and* you know why most people aren’t aware of it.

In this case I am speaking of the contaminants in the mRNA vaccines.

Did you know that the vaccines that they used for testing in order to gain approval
weren’t the same as the vaccines that they initially distributed to the general public?

The process of creating the vaccines is rife with unwanted byproducts. These byproducts include,.“truncated and modified mRNA species present in the finished product”.

The amount of these “truncated and modified mRNA species present in the finished product” was significantly less in the small batches created for clinical trials then in the large scale produced vaccine.

Was the problem resolved in later production of vaccines?
WHO do you trust?

https://www.physiciansweekly.com/covid-19-ema-leaks-raise-concerns-over-vaccine-mrna-integrity/

George Mc
George Mc
May 19, 2023 12:11 PM

Off topic again, sorry.

https://www.gbnews.com/weather/uk-weather-forecast-heatwaves-britain-sun-maps-asia#:~:text=Blistering%20near%2D90F%20sunshine%20could,86F)%20or%20higher%20soon%20after.

You know how you heard that GBNews was a crazy rad conspiracy site? Well grab that link.

“UK weather forecast: Blistering 90F scorcher to bake Britain as extreme Asian heatwaves could break records”

And just look at that map. You’d think you were looking into the mouth of hell!

George Mc
George Mc
May 19, 2023 12:25 PM
Reply to  George Mc

After which the damp sqib:

“The Met Office predicts an almost double-then-average chance of a hotter-than-average summer with ‘heatwaves’ possible.”

Two greater than averages (ignoring the typo) followed by ….ooh heatwaves!

Corarden
Corarden
May 19, 2023 2:45 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Lol…yep…looks exactly like the kind of summer I might enjoy in 1984 in the South of France…listening to some Rush or Santana as I smoked a resin spliff, and sipped cheap wine, with my best friends outside a caravan ….but we didn’t get the ‘mouth of hell’ maps….we loved the sun and beach, ogled the girls, and were free…

George Mc
George Mc
May 19, 2023 4:07 PM
Reply to  Corarden

Here’s what I predict: there will be a whole spate of articles about how all those holidays you thought you enjoyed were really harbingers of the coming doom. “Oh we were all so innocent back then! We didn’t realise that the suntan we were applying was destroying the earth’s newly discovered Abi-Yoyo layer!

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
May 20, 2023 2:10 AM
Reply to  Corarden

’76, ’80, ’84 last two in S. Spain the four year gaps are coincidental? Just remember them as personally special.

George Mc
George Mc
May 19, 2023 7:08 AM

Graud:

“Conspiracy theorists to address US House subcommittee, watchdog warns”

Blah blah conspiracy theorists blah blah Far Right blah blah QAnon blah blah Nazis ….

George Mc
George Mc
May 19, 2023 11:58 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Note the creepy threat: “watchdog warns”.

SeamusPadraig
SeamusPadraig
May 19, 2023 12:41 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Want to see some radical leftists investigated? No problem! Just wait until they turn against abortion first … https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/left-wing-abortion-opponent-says-fbi-visit-to-her-parents-home-was-an-intimidation-tactic/

George Mc
George Mc
May 19, 2023 1:04 PM
Reply to  SeamusPadraig

Well all the credentials of the media managed Left flank are present there starting with the name PAAU, the unlikely “Progressive Anti-Abortion Uprising”.

Then this,

“PAAU is a self-identified secular left-wing organization that opposes abortion while supporting transgenderism and radical racial ideology. On its website, PAAU says it’s “committed to radical inclusivity while magnifying secular, leftist, and LGBTQIA+ identifying pro-life voices, especially those belonging to people of color.”

I suppose it’s only fair that when you have a cartoon Right, you also have a cartoon Left.

erik nielsen
erik nielsen
May 20, 2023 1:57 AM
Reply to  George Mc

So the leftists couldnt even get a plus point on this one. Anti-abort when it comes to LBGTQ babies coming out from uterus.

I suspect the many women left alone in Ukraine after their men die at the battlefields, are planned to be inseminated with artificial experimental GMO sperm, and this is the light version.

Johnny
Johnny
May 19, 2023 6:47 AM
les online
les online
May 19, 2023 1:55 AM

Judge Neil Gorsuch Speaks Out Against Lockdowns and Mandates:

“Justice Neil Gorsuch’s opinion in Arizona vs Mayorkas marks the culmination of his three year effort to oppose the Covid regime’s eradication of civil liberties, unequal application of the law, and potential favouritism. From the outset Gorsuch remained vigilant as public officials used the pretext of Covid to augment their power and strip the citizenry of its rights in defiance of long-standing constitutional principles.”

https://brownstone.org/articles/judge-neil-gorsuch-speaks-out-against-lockdowns-and-mandates/

les online
les online
May 19, 2023 12:04 AM

“Dont argue with people whose TV is bigger than their bookshelf.”…emilie clarke…
https://covidsteria.substack.com/p/best-media-memes-garbage-in-garbage-out

No one i know reads books (“What’s a ‘book’?) –
another reason to abolish schools…

Brent Cady
Brent Cady
May 19, 2023 12:38 AM
Reply to  les online

I recall an interview with teenagers some years ago. When asked how much they read, one replied that the only book in his house was the Argos catalogue.

wardropper
wardropper
May 19, 2023 1:23 AM
Reply to  Brent Cady

Clearly a large portion of mankind is doomed, even without the new abnormal…

NickM
NickM
May 19, 2023 8:14 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Humankind is doomed only if one defines Humankind as a species of ape with abnormally developed brain. Apes can do quite well — have a satisfying family and social life — with much less grey matter. Most living things (plants, slime mould, jelly fish) thrive with no grey matter at all. Many long-established creatures show a survival behaviour called Brainless Intelligence. Scientists have shown remarkable examples of intelligent behaviour in the brainless Plasmidium slime mould.

wardropper
wardropper
May 19, 2023 1:52 PM
Reply to  NickM

I had the teenagers in mind, as per Brent’s comment.

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
May 19, 2023 3:09 PM
Reply to  NickM

The fully developed brain having to make a case against itself, put itself on trial, shows IMO how superior it is – in terms of acquired experience – than an organ with a lesser amount of grey matter not having to deal with this contradiction.

Put simply, we learn through experience.

Graham Greene
Graham Greene
May 19, 2023 9:30 AM
Reply to  wardropper

A King-size portion I think

Graham Greene
Graham Greene
May 19, 2023 6:59 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Make that extra-large old chap.

Johnny
Johnny
May 19, 2023 1:40 AM
Reply to  les online

Thanks les (and Emilie) that says it all.
What excuse the compliant middle class and ‘intellectuals’? Money talks and logic walks?

George Mc
George Mc
May 19, 2023 7:45 AM
Reply to  les online

The staggering aggression of Seth Abramson’s defensiveness is an unmistakable sign that he’s losing the argument and he knows it.

George Mc
George Mc
May 19, 2023 1:14 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Seth’s introduction to his “bestselling” Proof of Collusion contains this inspiring info:

“This text has been carefully reviewed by a team of lawyers and professional fact-checkers at a cost in the tens of thousands of dollars.”

His substack features that as an excerpt so – astonishingly – he seems to think it’s a selling point!

eman
eman
May 19, 2023 8:13 AM
Reply to  les online

The neat part of moving everything in print to digital is that digital media makes it easy to destroy and or to disappear the evidence? People who cannot read or who do not read hard copy printed documents and books do not understand that the history that was true a few thousands years back right up to day’s current news is often rewritten, changed or deleted by those who are in power. Since Martin Luther nailed to his church door [1492] his demands that the masses have a right to know; the world has been eliminating the transfer of power and the ownership of wealth from inherited to self-produced. Slowly the concentrations of power have been broadened: government [monarchies] to presidents and court admitted Aristocracy has become ministers regulated by legislatures and parliaments. The feudal landed estate has been made to distribute and share its wealth. More and more people… Read more »

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
May 18, 2023 9:30 PM

NY Rabbi Yitzchok Dovid Smith describes Public Health as being a religion (quotes below). I would describe it more as being a tool of a collectivist ideology. That ideology is opposed to all forms of individualism and privacy – i.e. the whole notion of the private realm will be abolished. Unlike the NY community described by Rabbi Smith, most of the established religions caved to Public Health – and forcing that submission was a large part of the agenda. — https://www.bitchute.com/video/hqRir1kgcdT0 https://odysee.com/@vaccinewars:9/rabbi-yitzchok-dovid-smith:e The Highwire with Del Bigtree Ny Jewish Neighborhoods Targeted Again! Oct 9, 2020 For the second time in 18 months, the Jewish Orthodox community in New York State has been targeted by public health officials and bureaucrats, causing heated protests in the streets. Last time it was during a wave of measles, now it’s new strict #Covid19 lockdowns. Del has a candid conversation with NY Rabbi Yitzchok Dovid… Read more »

NickM
NickM
May 19, 2023 8:23 AM

Agreed. One consults a Medic like one consults a Lawyer: to buy advice from a professional. Having paid for it, that Medical or Legal advice becomes one’s property to do what one likes with: to follow it or to reject it.

“Whose Life is it Anyway?”

Candledark
Candledark
May 20, 2023 3:25 PM

Lol Bigtree? Youre kidding right?

futurist
futurist
May 18, 2023 6:53 PM

I have noticed a pattern with friends and people online.
Every time one of the O>G lot appears on theses panels or conferences they get converted.
Ive seen friends start talking convention talk also.
CJ with RFKjr.
Ed now a fully fledged batshit believer.
Iain seems swayed.

Theses conferences/panels are converter events no different than this…..



wardropper
wardropper
May 18, 2023 7:09 PM
Reply to  futurist

I share your concerns.
All big conferences are well-organized and pre-planned, which leaves little room for anybody who can really think critically, or ‘outside the box’…

mgeo
mgeo
May 19, 2023 6:11 AM
Reply to  wardropper

The Wild West invented the Big Tent (mass psychology) for entertainment and religion. Advertising and multi-level marketing were related developments. They have all withstood the test of time.

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
May 18, 2023 6:52 PM

Here’s the latest (9pp) article on the ‘Truth11’ site. Its contents are wholly fitting with the subject of this Off-G article. Sums up the entire situation.

“The Big Picture”, at: https://truth11.com/the-big-picture

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
May 18, 2023 8:20 PM

It’s unfortunate that there are some spelling errors in the above (otherwise excellent) article.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 19, 2023 5:44 PM

Most of it was really good, except the artwork at the end.

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tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 19, 2023 4:35 PM

Christine, I have just read your incredible story of instant diagnosis from The Ambulance Man after looking at the titles of books in your bookcase. My experiences of Ambulance Men have been somewhat more positive, and I am totally mad – yet they never admitted me, nor even visited me, because I smiled and agreed with them.

I hope whatever problem, which caused you to call them, has improved. You are correct about both printers and scanners – total nightmare unless you use them every day.

Thanks to others for the links to Mike Yeadon. One person who I totally agree with. I even agree with Sophie, but will probably get told off, if I post when drunk.

George Mc
George Mc
May 18, 2023 6:05 PM

Ever so slightly off topic: Graud: “Coroner rules Paul Cattermole, late S Club 7 star, died of natural causes No inquest to be held into death of pop star, who died aged 46 at Dorset home in April A coroner’s report into the death of Paul Cattermole, a member of pop group S Club 7, has ruled that he died of natural causes. A spokesperson for Dorset’s coroners office told the BBC there would be no inquest into his death. Cattermole was found at his home in Swanage on Thursday 6 April, with police stating there were no suspicious circumstances. He was 46.” No suspicious circumstances. Dead of “natural causes” at 46. Happens all the time, doesn’t it? The number of folk in their 40s collapsing around me just makes me yawn now. Well I suppose these “natural causes” are gradually – and naturally – seeping into lower and lower… Read more »

Howard
Howard
May 19, 2023 3:18 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Maybe a tree fell through his roof onto the guy. That would be a “natural cause.” Or maybe a mini-black hole popped through his window.

I can’t help wondering how long they think they can get away with that “natural cause” nonsense.

Eventually, the only trustworthy source of information will be The National Inquirer. It’ll tell us if the latest celebrity turned into a giant roach and died.

(ps: It’s actually still May 18th here in America. We are so backward!)

Freecus
Freecus
May 18, 2023 1:55 PM

What mechanisms exist behind Western governments that allow them to influence and modify the behaviour of their citizens?

Western & Eastern corporations, masquerading as governments, deceive the People into identifying as legal-fictions, this diminishes their standing and capacity in Law.
Controlling ‘their citizens’ with statutes and codes in the commercial Legal jurisdiction is the foundation of this deception that enables all the others.

Geoff
Geoff
May 18, 2023 3:54 PM
Reply to  Freecus

Maybe, or maybe be not. it is hard to find pluausability as there is not enough evidence of people proving this to be true. There is also the talk against like this https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/876219/response/2098947/attach/html/4/Ian%20Foster%20FOIA%20220706024%201.pdf.html
I’m not saying it ain’t bent, just to what degree and how to really get out if one wanted to. Yet to be done and it’s been around sometime now…
Cheers

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
May 18, 2023 12:16 PM

Dr Mike Yeadon’s latest:

“Dr Mike Yeadon: ‘No one died of or even with ‘covid’ because it’s a fictitious disease'”, at:

https://tapnewswire.com/2023/05/dr-mike-yeadon-no-one-died-of-or-even-with-covid-because-its-a-fictitious-disease

Penelope
Penelope
May 18, 2023 4:40 PM

Christine, surely covid has been vastly exaggerated & lied about. However, I doubt that Mike Yeadon has made such an incontinent statement. He is retired and no longer has access to a lab; this is ONE of the reasons that he has only made remarks about its not being properly “isolated.” In this I believe he’s been influenced by an intelligence op which seeks to divide and discredit those who are exposing the covid lies.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
May 18, 2023 5:01 PM
Reply to  Penelope

We have shown here repeatedly that “covid19” never existed as a discrete new disease. It was simply a new name for flu symptoms.

This is a completely separate question from whether a virus called SARSCOV2 has been isolated. If there’s no new disease then we don’t need to look for a new cause, so whether or not a new virus has been isolated becomes irrelevant, doesn’t it.

Howard
Howard
May 18, 2023 5:14 PM

If I could play the devil’s advocate here? There have been from time to time comments in this forum (one even by me for instance) noting a completely different set of symptoms for a particular bout of illness. I’ve had the flu (if even that actually exists). And last September I had what the (totally inaccurate) test said was Covid. The symptoms were as different as day and night. The truly horrible flu symptom is a spaced out feeling. I did not have that particular symptom. I did, however, have such an exaggerated salty taste that I could not even eat low salt soup. Also, an exaggerated sweet taste – and believe me for me not to eat a piece of cake is almost unheard of. But all I could stand to eat was a waffle. That proves nothing, I know. But it does suggest something completely different really was… Read more »

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
May 18, 2023 5:24 PM
Reply to  Howard

As we have pointed out many times, according to the CDC and other authorities, “covid” has no unique symptoms and can only be diagnosed as distinct from the flu by the (useless) PCR. . The idea there was something unique or special about “covid” was planted in the public mind by the media, but it was always a myth

And don’t forget flu or “flulike illness” has a wide variety of recognised symptoms, some of which you may never have experienced before and – in 2020 – automatically put down to scary new “covid”.

Penelope
Penelope
May 19, 2023 6:31 AM

Sophie–
Most respiratory illnesses appear pretty much the same, especially when you’re limited to describing them in words. That doesn’t mean that a cold, respiratory flu and pneumonia actually ARE the same.

I’ve seen reports that one of the reasons that ventilators are deadly with covid is that RBCs are carrying less oxygen in this illness. This isn’t usually a huge problem w respiratory illnesses, but it’s not unknown in other categories of illness– for example biotoxin illness.

I personally think, from my own contacts within medical care workers, that the covid illness exists, although of course exaggerated– and until another cause is found, that it’s likely to be virally transmitted. Although I wouldn’t be surprised to find that it’s had help from things like “flu” shots.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 19, 2023 1:42 PM
Reply to  Penelope

That doesn’t mean that a cold, respiratory flu and pneumonia actually ARE the same.

Doesn’t mean they are either. Appeals to possibility aren’t logical arguments, Anything could be possible, but you have to weigh the supporting evidence and ask “is it likely”.

Given the scientific and medical meaningless of the PCR tests, the unprecedented levels of fear seeded into populations/institutions and what we know of human psychology under such conditions, like our natural tendencies for confirmation bias and conformity, I think it’s not only possibly but likely there wasn’t anything new or unusual going on.

A2

Howard
Howard
May 19, 2023 1:38 PM

It’s very comforting having an expert assure me that I did not experience what I apparently imagined I did; as well as to remind me that anything I might have experienced previously actually proceeded from the exact same illness, even though the symptoms were completely different.

It remains puzzling how it is that a virus can exist only in a state identified as influenza; but in no other state. It cannot exist in a state called Covid, or AIDS, or herpes. But as long as it’s called flu, its continued existence is assured.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 19, 2023 1:57 PM
Reply to  Howard

You got ill. This experience was a first for you. Was it covid, or just a natural variation of symptoms from some pre-existing ailment? Perhaps you did get Covid. But you can’t know either way without evidence, and since you accept the test is meaningless, and since we accept that Covid symptoms are generic and indistinguishable from pre existing ailments, there is a lack of direct evidence. No more reason to think it was ‘Covid’ than anything else, in that case, perhaps. Cast your mind back to pre-2020, people were getting weird ailments which knocked them for six all the time. Weren’t they? Is it more important to make snide points to admin right now than accept a basic logical point? Regardless of what you personally believe, if you can’t acknowledge admin’s point it doesn’t feel very natural or very honest, and more like you’re itching for a bit of… Read more »

Candledark
Candledark
May 20, 2023 3:28 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Why do you keep saying ‘covid’ as if thats a thing? There’s no such thing as a virus or “having covid”

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
May 23, 2023 2:33 AM
Reply to  Candledark

Because we were flooded by idiotic robotics in Webster’s english so some American people have blah blushing in American at themselves for three years.

judith
judith
May 19, 2023 11:59 AM
Reply to  Howard

I have heard the same thing. From folk that do not adhere to the official narrative. It was something different.
I do not believe that that discounts the Constitution bashing insane dystopian nightmare of the past 3 years.

Human values
Human values
May 19, 2023 1:30 PM
Reply to  Howard

Why did you take the test and did you take it before or after those symptoms?

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
May 23, 2023 1:41 AM
Reply to  Howard

Howard stop it otherwise you’ll never be approved at the Moose.
Thank you
That was a Party Political broadcast on behalf of the free Willy Society of us Umans and in appreciation of North Riding of Yorkshire’s..er..Green Howard’s.

Penelope
Penelope
May 20, 2023 5:41 AM

Sophie, certainly you have asserted it, rather dogmatically. But you’ve never presented any aspect of a scientific argument that I am aware of.

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
May 18, 2023 5:10 PM
Reply to  Penelope

Penelope, if you read the short document at the link in my post above, you’ll see that it consists of a letter written BY Mike Yeadon, in which he most definitely does say that ‘covid’ is a fictitious disease. During the last few months, he, Mike Yeadon, has gone much further than ‘merely’ to say that the alleged ‘sars-cov-2’ virus ‘has not been isolated’; he’s gone further, and states that the data indicates that NO ‘covid’ disease/illness actually exists. As have many other honest doctors & scientists around the world also done, he, Yeadon, has made the point that actual, genuine illnesses/diseases/ill-health conditions all have very specific, objective symptoms/markers. However, with this merely claimed ‘covid’, right from the start, the ‘Powers-that-should-NOT-be’, in their MSM writings (I only see the latter when they appear online; I’ve not watched the TV for years, and cancelled my TV licence two years ago), re.… Read more »

Penelope
Penelope
May 19, 2023 5:58 AM

Thanks for sticking to your guns, Christina. Perhaps M. Yeadon HAS had an evolution in his thinking that I’m not aware of. When last I saw one of his video addresses he was still being quite responsible in his statements. I don’t think the fact that the PCR test was used at such a high rate of amplification establishes that the virus necessarily doesn’t exist at all. Rather, this was done in order to falsely create a high number of “cases” in support of the general exaggeration & fear-pushing. I applaud your ridding yourself of the TV; everything on it is either false or infantilizing. Had one only briefly in the past decades– and that was solely to help with my Spanish via a good novella. PCR even at lower amplification only indicates the virus burden but not how the immune system is dealing w it. A true case obviously… Read more »

mgeo
mgeo
May 19, 2023 6:22 AM
Reply to  Penelope

You have named an alternative “covid” test. What is the relevance when it is not in use?

mgeo
mgeo
May 19, 2023 6:24 AM
Reply to  mgeo

While you are at it, also tell me how most countries identify new “variants” just days after they are announced.

Penelope
Penelope
May 20, 2023 3:53 AM
Reply to  mgeo

mgeo, I’m not a virologist. Perhaps Rhys, who seems well-versed in this sort of thing can tell us. If you search “How are covid variants identified” you are quickly routed to studies, analysis & scientific minutiae outside of my competence. I do understand the desire to have simple narrative “Covid doesn’t exist” w/o having troubled oneself to analyze the evidence available. Or, “The flu has vanished & therefore has merely been re-branded “covid.” In fact, there’s a well-known process called “viral interference” which we commonly see when one respiratory illness is replaced by another. It MAY be the major factor when one flu variant is replaced by another. But I do not KNOW these things and so shy back from being dogmatic. The error that the flat earthers made is that when faced w challenges & questions to an entire branch of science, cosmology, they did not seek qualified answers… Read more »

mgeo
mgeo
May 20, 2023 7:28 AM
Reply to  Penelope

Clever deflection to existence of covid/virus, flat earth, etc.

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
May 21, 2023 2:15 AM
Reply to  mgeo

It’s long past become intolerable these people misconscrewed covid as the virus. They’ve been riding the selfrightous horse of a multicomplexited symphony of a single plucked string disturbance overture., for over thirty nine months.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 20, 2023 11:14 AM
Reply to  Penelope

Please don’t equate flat earth with questioning Covid. Unless you’re trying to be unproductive and insulting, this really achieves nothing.

‘Viral Interference” is an observation, not an explanation, and has never, ever been documented as it was with Covid, which was clearly an instantaneous switch linked to WHO directives and resulting administrative changes in healthcare.

To appeal to ignorance is an inverted appeal to authority, and is not a defence of anything btw. It is essentially time wasting. A2

Penelope
Penelope
May 21, 2023 12:29 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Flat earthers reject the science of cosmology from a position of complete ignorance abut cosmology.

Those who reject virology reject it in preference to the silly argument that the body is “just cleansing itself of an unknown something about which we know only one thing– it is NOT a virus.”

Talk about reasoning from ignorance.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 21, 2023 1:10 AM
Reply to  Penelope

I don’t disagree, I don’t think terrain theory ‘science’ (which is essentially not science at this point in time) is in a position to challenge the current orthodoxy. I also don’t think it solves anything, since observable contagion could be weaponised against the people (a la Covid) under a terrain theory model just as easily as under a germ theory model.

I don’t think we’re required to speculate on this topic in order to reject the pandemic hoax. If the facts show there was no pandemic, there was no pandemic. Everything else is rendered largely moot.

I often think terrain theory is a vain attempt to eliminate all risk by over explaining due to a trauma response. I don’t think it’s a strong or necessary argument or very good reasoning. It also lays any case against the pandemic hoax open to easy ridicule, and thus is extremely counterproductive.

A2

Penelope
Penelope
May 20, 2023 3:23 AM
Reply to  mgeo

Mgeo, It IS in use. PCR is being used for its exaggeration value.

Also the virus has been cultured, but that’s not adaptable to exaggeration or being used by the public. It’s time-consuming & requires a real lab.

Candledark
Candledark
May 20, 2023 3:29 PM
Reply to  Penelope

What virus?

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
May 18, 2023 10:41 PM
Reply to  Penelope

Why don’t you have a read of this book, Virus Mania, which explains the ins and outs of virus isolation – which has never been done. It also goes into the entire virus fraud. Without knowing about the other side’s arguments, the holding onto the ‘viruses exist’ theory is just blind belief.

It really isn’t about what this doctor or that other person has said online, it’s about analysing the facts.

‘Virus Mania’ book – New updated 3rd edition 

Intro by Dr Sam Bailey on U-Tube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyagOj1yZis

Kindle e-book version:
https://www.amazon.com/Virus-Mania-COVID-19-Hepatitis-Billion-Dollar-ebook/dp/B08YFBCH2F/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=virus+mania&qid=1617157466&sr=8-1

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
May 18, 2023 11:41 PM
Reply to  Veri Tas

Oh yes, that’s an excellent book! I bought it in either late 2020 or early 2021, and of course read it.
As you so rightly say, it provides a great deal of data to show that no merely alleged ‘virus’ has ever been isolated. Which of course does give a lot of support to the ‘no virus’ theory.

However… whilst the above is an informationally-valuable book, with content which everyone should inform themselves on, it still doesn’t provide an explanation for why (for eg), when person B is in contact with person A, and person A has a ‘cold’, or ‘chickenpox’, or whatever, and then person B ‘acquires’ a ‘cold’/’chickenpox’, whatever, very shortly afterwards, that happens, if ‘contagion’ is not a genuine phenomenon…

So, in this regard, I’m, sort of, still ‘on the fence’.

Mark EL
Mark EL
May 19, 2023 8:08 AM

So why has every attempt to prove contagion failed?
(have a look at the viroliegy site for fully referenced info on this).

Why do we not always get ill after being around ill people?
not long enough?
antibodies?
some other virus fraud unevidenced fiction?

The answer is confirmation bias as a result of lifelong indoctrination.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 19, 2023 10:28 AM
Reply to  Mark EL

Why do women not always conceive when they have unprotected sex?

There being an element of chance involved in a process isn’t default evidence against that process. That’s deeply illogical and not a valid argument against contagion.

Do dice or roulette wheels bring the function of numbers into question?

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
May 19, 2023 11:33 AM
Reply to  Mark EL

I’m fully aware that attempts to prove contagion have ‘failed’.

Please be aware that I’ve been ‘awake’ (re. very many big subjects in life) for 40-45 years (I’m 64), so what I said in my posts of yesterday, re. being a bit ‘on the fence’ re. contagion theory/no contagion theory is most definitely NOT ‘confirmation bias as a result of lifelong indoctrination’. For, as I’ve just said, above, I’ve been ‘awake’ regarding many ‘controversial’ subjects for way more than 40 years (ie, since my late teens/early 20s). It’s just that, with regard to the contagion question, I’m truly not sure what the truth is. Thus am ‘on the fence’.

Penelope
Penelope
May 19, 2023 6:11 AM
Reply to  Veri Tas

Veri Tas, I’d advise you to take a piece of your own advice: If you are going to try to defeat the entire branch of medicine called “Virology” you should first look at the evidence that it actually rests on; only by defeating that evidence — AND by supplying a better explanation of the observed facts can you unseat virology.

For my part, I’ve seen a few of Bailey’s videos & she has sufficiently dis-impressed me there. One of the classic steps in seeking truth– in or out of science– is to state the strongest version of your opponent’s position & defeat THAT position. When I see someone giggling, chortling, guffawing, mocking & caricaturing opposing views I don’t waste my time with them.

Edith
Edith
May 18, 2023 11:38 PM
Reply to  Penelope

Well I have watched his announcement and his speech in London….he seems pretty sure of what he is saying….and many of us know this to be true so why shouldn’t he too?

mgeo
mgeo
May 19, 2023 6:18 AM
Reply to  Penelope

Why would he need “access to a lab”? Why has the mighty medical industry and its high priests in government not shut him up with definitive research?

Penelope
Penelope
May 20, 2023 4:17 AM
Reply to  mgeo

mgeo, M Yeadon would need access to a lab in order to bring scientific observation to bear regarding the question of whether biological samples taken from sick people– alleged covid patients– have a pathogen which is not a cold, pneumonia, flu, etc. But is instead a unique variant of a corona virus.

Obviously he is honest and sincere and courageous. But a mere statement that “they have lied to us about everything else and so must be lying about this too” does not rely on his expertise as a scientist. It sounds like just an opinion. If the existence of the virus depended upon their honesty this argument would be compelling, but it doesn’t.

Given the desire to create a “pandemic” it seems to be in the interests of TPTB to have SOME factual basis behind it, lest they be found out.

Lulu
Lulu
May 18, 2023 5:23 PM

Off Topic – apologies to Administrators & Commenters!

Christine, for those of us following your story and keeping you in our thoughts, would you please put our minds at rest with a brief update/closure on the fiasco?
If you’ve done so elsewhere, please post a link. Thanks, and very best wishes for getting well a.s.a.p.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 18, 2023 5:45 PM
Reply to  Lulu

Hi Lulu, Christine did catch us up here, and I think (without giving any spoilers  😅 ) that you’ll be equally as relieved and impressed as we all were with how she coped with that horribleness. Thanks for asking! It’s great to feel such supportiveness below the line. A2

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
May 18, 2023 5:53 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Thank you so much, Sam, for your complimentary words to me, re. how I coped with those two (well, what word can I use here, online…!!) ‘psychiatry’ people who ‘visited’ me on 16th May.

As I recall, in one of my posts on that day, I mentioned that the senior of the two (he told me he was 58; mentioned that he had a bad knee, that he was not able to get treatment for it…) had been honest enough to say to me “You quite obviously know what you’re talking about, and that you will not stand for any nonsense from us…!”. (Da*n right I wouldn’t stand for any nonsense from them!!)

mgeo
mgeo
May 19, 2023 7:09 AM

The mental angle of subverted medicine:
-. If you fail to take all the treatments prescribed, question them or take an alternative treatment at the same time, you are misguided or wasting funds, and may be denied all treatment.
-. If an illness worries you in any way, no matter how severe, it means you need some of those happy pills too.
-. If you dispute or ridicule any medical procalmation socially or publicly, you may have to be medicated and/or locked up as a threat.

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
May 18, 2023 5:50 PM
Reply to  Lulu

Thank you, Lulu, for your very caring post; for your having kept me in your thoughts, re. the plight I’d most definitely been in, since 26 April. And also your good wishes re. my physical health problem.

However, as Sam – Admin2 has said to you (above or below), I did post an update two days ago: ie, on the 16th, very shortly after the ‘visit’ by the bl**dy ‘psychiatry’ duo.

Once again, many thanks!

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
May 18, 2023 5:56 PM
Reply to  Lulu

A brief PS to my reply to you below (or above!).

On 16th May, I actually did post a short note to you (on the Off-G article on which I’d originally mentioned my plight… can’t recall which article it was, now, sorry!) to say that I’d posted an update (which Sam – Admin2 had given me special permission to do!) on the Off-G article re. ‘Patriot Front’.

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
May 18, 2023 6:02 PM

I think that these rather frequent ‘thumbs-down’ (which appear on many commenters’ posts, here on Off-G, where no right-thinking person would thumb-down any given post) are what I term (rightly or wrongly…) ‘AI bots’/’bot-trolls’.

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
May 19, 2023 9:12 AM

To clarify what I said yesterday, above. What I meant was, when a comment receives just one or two thumbs-down. For eg, quite a number of posts receive thumbs-down when the comment is stating something which the commenter has experienced, themself… and thus there is no justification for that comment to receive a thumbs-down, from any actual human being,. It’s those sorts of examples of comments acquiring thumbs-down that I think may well be down-thumbed by ‘AI bots’.

Literally nobody
Literally nobody
May 18, 2023 11:42 AM

Yeah the whole link this to Fatima for so apocalypse cred by association….this has to be Tavistock/MK ultra type weird nonsense

Straight Talk
Straight Talk
May 18, 2023 9:53 AM

Dr. David Martin’s opening speech, beginning at 13:09, is a MUST WATCH.

International Covid Summit III – part 1 – European Parliament, Brussels

wardropper
wardropper
May 18, 2023 4:23 PM
Reply to  Straight Talk

Somebody doesn’t agree – probably our professional disagreer, but that segment is, indeed, a ‘must watch’.
Lots of highly interesting and verifiable facts, and a clear denunciation of some of the criminals involved.
I don’t like American high school theatrics in the delivery of important factual information, but that’s beside the point. We need to know what Dr. Martin has to say.

(I couldn’t face watching all 3+ hours of the complete thing – I’ll wait until I get my next ‘covid’ attack and watch the rest while I recover…)

judith
judith
May 19, 2023 5:45 PM
Reply to  Straight Talk

Thanks so much for this link! I was unaware.

Mucho
Mucho
May 20, 2023 4:17 AM
Reply to  Straight Talk

I like how David sits there harping on about super mega formulated killer gain of function viruses, then Nick PANDA takes the floor and highlights what a nothing burger convid was. You can’t have it both ways, the doublethink is off the charts

Willem
Willem
May 18, 2023 9:46 AM

Thank God we have conferences. With all these experts on board, one knows one thing for sure: The masses should get the blame!

I’m not making this up, it’s actually in their advertisement where they say that:

‘ More than indoctrination, our purpose is education. More than making people believe what we say, we want to give people the tools to look at reality, see its many facets and accept only that which makes sense.’

Jesus will resurrect, in Fatima, it’s a miracle!

Proletarius64
Proletarius64
May 19, 2023 6:57 AM
Reply to  Willem

“Failings” are designed into the psyop so that they can be debated endlessly – giving the pretense of genuine inquiry.

Thom
Thom
May 18, 2023 8:21 AM

Meanwhile in other news:

“Prince Harry and Meghan in ‘near catastrophic car chase’ with paparazzi in New York”

Uh, oh – either a coincidence or a warning…

October
October
May 18, 2023 8:50 AM
Reply to  Thom

Or a publicity stunt.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
May 18, 2023 9:05 AM
Reply to  Thom

The paparazzi were 90s/early 2000s villains. That is a talking point from 25 years ago being dredged up. I guess they’re just throwing anything at the wall these days – just don’t mention the New Normal!

Johnny
Johnny
May 18, 2023 9:30 AM

Are those snap happy parasites thick or what?
If you want to get exclusives on the Royal Rejects, you’ve gotta hand over BIG, BIG BUCKS. Just ask Oprah.

Sam I am
Sam I am
May 18, 2023 2:10 PM
Reply to  Thom

Paparazzi, where is their editor?

Interesting factoid:

Hollywood movies don’t usually include the referee
that history tells us stood amongst the gladiators
in the Colosseum. It was actually the referee that
gave the thumb signals (thumb up meant death).
The referee could take measure of the blood lust of
the mob, but ultimately it was the referee’s call.

In ancient Rome the Latin word for referee
was editor.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 18, 2023 2:21 PM
Reply to  Sam I am

That’s interesting! I’d like to find out more if you have a link.

Sam I am
Sam I am
May 18, 2023 2:36 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Ok (oddly, that is now Thumbs Up)

https://www.thoughtco.com/how-did-gladiator-fights-end-118422

Note: I am not actually sure that the editor stood “amongst the gladiators”.
I got that impression from a medallion in which the editor is seen giving the “pressed thumb” signal.

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/encyclopaedia_romana/gladiators/polliceverso.html

wardropper
wardropper
May 18, 2023 4:28 PM
Reply to  Thom

Distraction.
A hint at Diana, and everybody goes all weepy and their brains time out…

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
May 18, 2023 6:17 PM
Reply to  Thom

This is huge. Breaking in all areas. BIG Big Bigger than Ukraine, Corona, Digital Wallet, QR and all the other bs cases. I have my little Union Flag in my right hand.

George Mc
George Mc
May 18, 2023 7:55 AM

A “Conference on Propaganda and COVID-19” which features an open letter from the organisers who wanted to “openly discuss another way of managing pandemic crises”. Oh the irony.

Howard
Howard
May 18, 2023 1:11 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I too noticed that apparent disparity. What they’re actually saying is “another way of managing propaganda.”

Proletarius64
Proletarius64
May 19, 2023 6:59 AM
Reply to  George Mc

“Failings” are designed into the psyop so that they can be debated endlessly – giving the pretense of genuine inquiry.

Johnny
Johnny
May 18, 2023 7:49 AM

‘Double, double toil and trouble
Fire burn and cauldron bubble’

https://brownstone.org/articles/the-covid-consensus-this-book-is-essential/

MattC
MattC
May 18, 2023 7:27 AM

openly discuss another way of managing pandemic crises.”

A excellent starting point would be to note that even on the revised definition of “pandemic” which had been written with the sole purpose of providing far lower trigger threshold points – there was no pandemic. What there was instead was a contrived and coordinated political action to suggest that there was a truly fearful disease. This so called “crisis” was then used as the justification for the permanent removal of Civil Liberties and to siphon away vast wealth from society.

A far simpler solution would be to hold all those people responsible for their crimes against humanity and their state sponsored murder of innocent citizens accountable. When it is clear that the penalty for these crimes is the ending of the lives of those responsible then we will have the necessary incentives to prevent any further repetition.

Johnny
Johnny
May 18, 2023 10:42 AM
Reply to  MattC

Sorry to say Matt, but history proves beyond doubt, that those in authority never, ever take responsibility for their actions.
That’s the way of the world.

Karma, on the other hand, will balance the books. That’s the justice of Life.

Howard
Howard
May 19, 2023 3:27 AM
Reply to  Johnny

Unfortunately, Karma (if it actually exists) will “balance the books” way down the line, on some poor unsuspecting descendant of today’s guilty party.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
May 18, 2023 7:21 AM

PANDA’s Statement of Principles https://pandata.org/panda-principles PUBLIC HEALTH Human societies are complex. Policies that may profoundly reorder social systems should be undertaken only under an exceedingly high burden of proof, and with clear and open community participation, with clear evidence-base and close and transparent monitoring. All people have a right to seek good health and quality of life, and have sovereignty over decisions regarding direct interventions impacting their own health. PANDA believes this is fundamental to individual wellbeing and societal function. Health practitioners, including physicians and public health personnel, have a role in accurately informing and guiding health decision-making, but have no right to coerce or require health interventions against the will of an individual. PANDA’s comprehensive principles of Public Health can be found here. [link goes to a blank page] — Questions – which I would ask at the opening session A) Does PANDA agree with Thomas Szasz that medical… Read more »

Johnny
Johnny
May 18, 2023 7:16 AM

US hospitals and their CEOs on the take, to the tune of twenty three billion dollars, but we already knew that.

A tragic personal account:

https://brownstone.org/articles/hospital-protocol-killed-loved-ones-they-want-justice/

El Zafio
El Zafio
May 18, 2023 6:53 AM

The conference of interest takes place on June 20th

The End of COVID
https://www.theendofcovid.com/

El Zafio
El Zafio
May 18, 2023 6:49 AM

The fact there never was a pandemic will not be spoken on this waste of time conference.

thinking-turtle
thinking-turtle
May 18, 2023 6:58 AM
Reply to  El Zafio

A conference that casts even minor doubt on Covid is welcome. What other conferences do a better job?

Escritor
Escritor
May 18, 2023 8:17 AM

We must beware any damage limitation exercises and limited hangouts.
There was no pandemic, and the shots are lethal.

mgeo
mgeo
May 18, 2023 6:37 AM

Propaganda in the West

Due to neo-colonialism, propaganda is global, especially after it is pilot-tested in one locale. The aims:
– Distracting from critical, pressing or substantial issues, such as oligarchic plunder or crime, mass destitution, or dissent.
– Undermining confidence, resilience, resistance, demands or related mass participation. Propaganda tries to instil apathy, acquiescence, resignation, conformity, dependence or fear.

mgeo
mgeo
May 18, 2023 3:14 PM
Reply to  mgeo

Unfortunately, my comment too shows the influence of propaganda. It is focuses on what already happened: the past. The oligarchy is particularly concerned with the following aspect of propaganda:
– Introducing and normalising convenient views, changes and behaviours, and new forms of exploitation.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
May 18, 2023 4:07 AM

Gee, I wonder if they will get into Limited Hangouts?

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
May 18, 2023 4:07 AM

The Intellectual Retardation Known as “Public Health” Public health concerns the public, and the improvement of their health. That is the opening sentence of a December 2022 article {1} by Dr David Bell; published at PANDA – being the co-sponsor of the conference. He proceeds to state: Yet over the past two years this area of specialisation . . . Bell’s bio at PANDA states: David is a clinical and public health physician with a PhD in population health and background in internal medicine, modelling and epidemiology of infectious disease. Previously, he was Director of the Global Health Technologies at Intellectual Ventures Global Good Fund in the USA, Programme Head for Malaria and Acute Febrile Disease at FIND in Geneva, and coordinating malaria diagnostics strategy with the World Health Organization. David maintains that accurate data and balanced evidence is available to the public, and other decision-makers, in order to make… Read more »

susan mullen
susan mullen
May 18, 2023 8:33 AM

I always thought the WHO was just another way to impoverish and demonize US taxpayers.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
May 18, 2023 9:26 AM
Reply to  susan mullen

It’s mostly about depopulation. In money terms, it’s not a substantial amount when compared to other things.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
May 18, 2023 4:03 AM

What’s needed is a discussion about the anti-leadership of control freaks.

Control freaks don’t want debate, they want control.

When put in decision-making roles, they don’t want open debate, they want to be manipulative.

Control-freaks should be in very defined roles, requiring attention to detail, but not involving negotiation.

Why? Because they want weak characters as underlings, not competent challenging personalities.

MattC
MattC
May 18, 2023 7:04 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

All this has resulted in culture of everyone is told what to do and think – independence is intolerable

mgeo
mgeo
May 18, 2023 7:25 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

In primate society, hormonal changes in a new leader strengthens dominance. It is the same in our duplicious leaders under representative democracy. We see them change dramatically after the first year or two.

One science fiction writer suggested endemic secretive resistance as the solution. His inspiration was the original Assassins of West Asia.

Edwige
Edwige
May 18, 2023 9:26 AM
Reply to  mgeo

The original Assassins were all drugged – it’s where the word ‘hash’ comes from. And “one science fiction writer” thinks this is the way to fight Big Pharma? Whoever it was is either thick as two planks nailed together or (and more probably) was having a little mocking joke. The Assassins allegedly killed insane numbers of people so no wonder the de-populators like them – although some East India Company propaganda here can’t be ruled out either.

On the subject of sci-fi writers, try Ira Levin’s THIS PERFECT DAY. It’s one of his very few novels not to be filmed and is more or less an updating of BRAVE NEW WORLD.

Johnny
Johnny
May 18, 2023 7:33 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Q: What do you get when you cross a control freak with a narcissist?
A: Politicians, CEOs, Senior Executives, surgeons, doctors, mainstream journalists Generals, Majors, Captains, movie stars, sport stars and alpha males and females in families.
Scary, ain’t it ?

Johnny
Johnny
May 18, 2023 3:56 AM

She talks over the top of RFK.
She doesn’t listen.
She parrots the propaganda.
She talks in generalities.
Her voice is whiny.
And her name is, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, Krystal Ball!!

FFS !! No wonder the US is going down the Shit Chute.

zenpriest
zenpriest
May 18, 2023 7:04 AM
Reply to  Johnny

She / he is one scary dude.

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
May 18, 2023 10:17 AM
Reply to  Johnny

Thanks, I dont do you-tube for Political Propaganda especially involving a US Woman. It’s a Show and she’s a Performance, get a grip man. I gave it a try..”me personally and millions of others…”….” you tell me why……”
God blimey, you People need help all right.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
May 18, 2023 2:16 PM
Reply to  Johnny

Well, Kennedy better get used to it. The idea that vaccines are the best-thing-ever is an entrenched religion, as much or more so than the idea Covid itself.

wardropper
wardropper
May 18, 2023 4:31 PM
Reply to  Johnny

[How To Make Intelligent People Lose Interest – 101]

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
May 18, 2023 11:58 PM
Reply to  Johnny

She is the biggest challenge to our globe today.
The complete idiot sheep who cannot get a grab of anything connected to real life, relying on child language, paper reports, and personal emotions.

Thom Sheaffer
Thom Sheaffer
May 18, 2023 3:14 AM

While it ain’t that much this is the biggest concession from the MSM I’ve heard of so far.
https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20230517/p2a/00m/0na/010000c
“Japan’s NHK apologizes over how suspected COVID vaccine deaths were reported
TOKYO — Japanese public broadcaster NHK apologized on Twitter on May 16 for editing a news program to make it look like some people had died of COVID-19 when in fact the comments used in the show were by people claiming that their family members had died after receiving the coronavirus vaccine.”

wardropper
wardropper
May 18, 2023 3:12 PM
Reply to  Thom Sheaffer

I wonder how ‘the truth’ even came to light here, but Japan has a long history of respecting the ‘honourable way’.
Perhaps some of that still exists – but it sure takes its time…

Hannah
Hannah
May 18, 2023 12:29 AM

This sounds very interesting, thanks. Will you be hosting the streaming?

Human values
Human values
May 17, 2023 11:40 PM

Their propaganda only shows their insanity.

Here’s a collection of propaganda films since January 2020:

https://twitter.com/michaelpsenger/status/1658569732763820032

”THREAD – The Ultimate COVID Video Library”

”A semi-chronological, open-access library of the most important and viral video clips from throughout the response to COVID.”

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
May 17, 2023 7:36 PM

As I said two days ago – and I doubt the views of Peter and Ginger Breggin will be represented. — https://saudemental-propaganda.com/en/programa First session – May 20, 11h30 – Anabela Morais – The Mass Phobic Psychosis — https://www.americaoutloud.com/breggins-prioritize-free-speech-above-self-interest-in-25-million-lawsuit-by-robert-malone by Peter Breggin MD & Ginger Breggin (primary author) Dec 4, 2022 The Danger of the Diagnosis of Mass Formation Psychosis We sounded the alarm about the danger of creating a new diagnosis labeling “masses” of humans as psychotic — the informal diagnosis created by Dr. Robert Malone called “Mass Formation Psychosis. That phrase is Dr. Malone’s creation and is based on the work of his friend Mattias Desmet, author of the book The Psychology of Totalitarianism. While Desmet’s term of Mass Formation attempts to describe what he believes is a sociological phenomenon, Dr. Malone’s term of Mass Formation Psychosis (the psychosis term added by Dr. Malone) is a diagnosis building upon… Read more »

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
May 18, 2023 2:23 AM

I am disappointed that there are so many from the field of psychiatry.

I have been a student of propaganda for 40 years, what’s allowed me to see thru it is: understanding the use of fear, a continuous critical reading of history, critical thinking skills, a memory and most importantly,a good bullshit detector. That’s all you need, no degrees required.

Duckman
Duckman
May 18, 2023 8:14 AM

imho “mass formation” plays into the concept that humanity are an organism rather than individuals, which assists in furthering the concept that we should be dealt with “as one”. when we understand that we gain insight that those truly behind this merely use corrupted minnion “humans” within the “one” to push the agenda when we speak of the “events” occuring being “global” we should maybe be using the word “planetary”, whilst global change in the contexts used infer mass change at a “human” level those who are observant realise that in this initial stage, that yes, the major evident push is toward the predominantly “dominant” species, but in fact the agenda is focussed ultimately on all species and the balance of our planet in its entirety, terra-forming, usurpation, genocide in its fullest meaning when we grasp that we realise that we are engaged in a fight to the last breath… Read more »

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 18, 2023 2:16 PM
Reply to  Duckman

The borg.

I’m inclined to agree with you. However, I think you’re missing your own point slightly. The war being fought is not a physical war, but an existential war on a psycho spiritual level. Man versus the borg. We don’t understand or have full awareness of the forces involved and therefore have no words to quantify it. It’s the very real transaction of hidden forces which takes place between two people when they communicate in any scenario, whether face to face or a thousand miles apart over an internet forum. The truth has a potency and power in this arena which transcends the mere words used to describe it, and which transcends people’s ability to match every element of that truth with equally convincing lies.

In this arena, an ‘armchair warrior’ can be the new Achilles.
A2

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
May 18, 2023 11:47 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Bulls eye. Seems that 3 borgs dont like it……………………….LOL.

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
May 18, 2023 2:22 PM

Psychiatry has admittedly renounced to understand “mental illnesses”; instead these are labeled and classified by groups of symptoms (what they look like) and the specific chemical substances that alleviate/remove these symptoms. Purely empirical thinking induced by preventing one’s reasoning abilities from getting to the core of the problem, the alienating inhuman economic system we live under. It is the preferred approach to problems by institutions and think tanks: is there a problem? Ok, fight it, make it dis-appear as a sensible phenomenon without digging too much into the cause producing it. For instance, agenda 2030, with zero poverty, halve food loss/waste, promote education, health, sanitation, etc only fix today’s problems by creating others somewhere else, these, in time, giving the same original problems. The formal logic underlying this approach to human problems assumes the latter as being pure forms (depression looks like this: follows a description of symptoms of depression,… Read more »

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
May 17, 2023 7:31 PM

Hopefully, when the sheep realise they have been dipped, they will take note of the weather, and then compare with what the UN/IPCC global warming, hockey stick scam is telling us, even though it has been debunked several million times. They push these fake narratives around amongst themselves. Between their fake organisations and their fake media. Like a NWO merry-go-round. Any adverse reaction from the public is ignored. The public is only needed for the funding of course.

These NWO lunatics are mass suicide preachers. Most will not live to see the devastating results of their actions.

Cloverleaf
Cloverleaf
May 17, 2023 7:55 PM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

The thicko sheep will never admit they have been dipped (duped) their stupid pride won’t let them 🐑 baaaaa.

Howard
Howard
May 17, 2023 10:07 PM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

I had no idea any notion of adverse climate reactions to human attempts to play god with the weather had been debunked “several million times.”

And I’ve had trouble finding even one credible debunking! I’ll keep looking. I’m bound to find one of millions eventually.

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
May 17, 2023 10:26 PM
Reply to  Howard

Don’t bother. You will never find what you are not looking for. Just buy lots of refrigeration equipment to help keep you safe from the global warming. Also keep away from carbon.

Howard
Howard
May 18, 2023 12:58 AM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

There is no safe haven from what humans are doing to the atmosphere (destroying the ozone layer with their constant spraying); or to forests (priming them for incineration); or to oceans (killing of kelp and plankton with excess CO2, which oceans absorb and acidify).

And so on.

Penelope
Penelope
May 18, 2023 2:05 AM
Reply to  Howard

Howard, it’s a pity you mix the true (chemspraying) with the false (human-caused global warming).

It’s a bit schizoid to imagine TPTB are killing w the covid op, but telling the truth with the global warming op. Exactly the same people are behind the two operations, and for exactly the same goals: population reduction w enslavement of the remnant.

It is impossible to be FOR gross reduction of hydrocarbon use with forced impoverishment of the food supply yet FOR human survival & progress.

There are many fine climate science sites. This one is especially easy to understand & quite good at exposing the dishonesty of the Anthropogenic Global Warming hoax:

https://realclimatescience.com/

Howard
Howard
May 18, 2023 4:04 PM
Reply to  Penelope

First of all, I’m not necessarily for “human survival and progress.” But neither am I for “gross reduction of hydrocarbon use.” Humans have backed themselves into a corner where they simply cannot continue existing without hydrocarbons – at least not 8 billion strong. Besides which, ALL supposed “Green” alternatives only work with hydrocarbon input. You have overlooked something extremely important by presuming that chemspraying has no effect on climate. It definitely does. It traps heat which would otherwise be released at night. But even more ominous, it is destroying the ozone layer – which is one of the primary drivers of climate: without that layer, UVC rays are getting through – and they definitely heat up the planet. As to the oligarchs vis-a-vis the climate, it’s the old “broken clock” syndrome. What I find interesting is that they speak out of both sides of their mouth. They give just enough… Read more »

Penelope
Penelope
May 18, 2023 5:49 PM
Reply to  Howard

Actually, Howard, I think the chemspraying has a COOLING effect through blocking sunlight.

Difficult to see how you can impugn the credibility of realclimatescience.com since so much of it’s based on copies of newspaper weather reports of the past. This is quite devastating to the fraudulent reports that the US is experiencing the hottest summer or the hottest year.

Such exposes are available for Britain and Australia, too.

In determining the “temperature rise” in Canada it was necessary to decommission weather stations in the coldest areas.

Another good source of climate science is http://notrickszone.com/

Howard
Howard
May 19, 2023 3:40 AM
Reply to  Penelope

The cooling effect of chemspraying is countered by the layer trapping heat at night – so they cancel each other out.

But the main point is, chemspraying has nothing to do with the climate (other than creating lots of extra heat lightening). The main purpose is ionizing the atmosphere to make it easier for satellite transmissions – and spying by the military.

They also use ionospheric heaters (like HAARP in Alaska) to create high pressure domes over areas in order to divert a flow of moisture from one area to another.

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
May 19, 2023 1:06 PM
Reply to  Penelope

The chemtrails are also meant to block cosmic particles because Earth’s magnetosphere is waning due to solar minimum. This lets through lots more of these particles. More of these particles making through our atmosphere is the real danger.
Of course the PTB won’t tell you that because they want the public to believe their global warming narrative and to keep paying through the nose for a threat that doesn’t exist. Much like ‘covid’.

MattC
MattC
May 18, 2023 7:10 AM
Reply to  Howard

And, of course, you have seen the evidence?

Oh you were told about it by the ever reliable legacy MSM – the same outfits who despite being unable to get tomorrow’s weather forecast even slightly right can confidently tell you that we are going to fry to death in mid winter.

Howard
Howard
May 18, 2023 1:17 PM
Reply to  MattC

Never the MSM. They cannot get tomorrow’s forecast right because no one knows for sure how the particular elements they sprayed yesterday will play out.

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
May 18, 2023 9:42 AM
Reply to  Howard

For want of a better phase….absolute bollocks. I’m guessing science isn’t your best subject. Tackle your brainwashing before it’s too late for you and yours.

Howard
Howard
May 18, 2023 1:27 PM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

I’m the Rhett Butler of climate: “Frankly my dear I don’t give a damn!” whether the climate is being fucked up by humans or not. I don’t, as they say, have a horse in that race. I simply want to know. What does bother me about forums like this is the closed-mindedness. Climate change=hoax. How do you know? Because the MSM is promoting it. Any “evidence” I might present to back the idea of climate change will AUTOMATICALLY be dismissed as a hoax. Yet, conversely, ANY two-bit evidence to the contrary will be AUTOMATICALLY accepted as gospel. Do you see the disparity? You guys don’t have to research because you KNOW the truth. How? Because you KNOW who to believe and who not to. You KNOW which scientists are working for the oligarchs and which are legitimate. Here’s a link (as an example) of a study which could – and… Read more »

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
May 18, 2023 2:17 PM
Reply to  Howard

How do i know? Decades of research and going down rabbit holes which lead nowhere. Separating the wheat from the chaff is just as important, as is observation and listening to dissenting voices. One needs to see the whole of the argument to form a proper independent decision. Wait around long enough and the chaff blows away. Things to consider Al Gore said that thousands of polar bears will drown if they have no ice flows. Snow was supposed to be a thing of the past, as far back as the year 2000, so we are told time and again by NWO talking heads. Those in California and the Alps obviously know better about the snow. Look out for Augoalier as their weather is about to change too. Forget CO2 as a ‘greenhouse gas’. It’s 0.03 of the atmosphere. Look towards the Sun and the lack of Earth magnetosphere during… Read more »

Howard
Howard
May 18, 2023 3:46 PM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

Believe it or not, you’re not the only one to research this issue in depth. Being skeptical by nature, I accept no argument on its face. I’m still not convinced those (like Dane Wigington of geoengineeringwatch.org) who approach the climate crisis situation from a different angle are legitimate. I’m skeptical of anyone whose primary evidence resides on their own website and practically nowhere else. I’m also skeptical of anyone who takes something like the article I linked to; then turns around and presents it as if it is “settled science” when even those performing the study do not grant it such a status. Another is the concept of Canfield Ocean – which is a very real phenomenon but not entirely the way Mr. Wigington, e.g., presents it. Rather, it is a seasonal thing which results in a Summer Kill of fish nearest the coastline, where the shallow water easily overheats.… Read more »

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
May 18, 2023 4:51 PM
Reply to  Howard

You seem to be trying to conflate two separate concepts

1) alleged manmade climate change due to increased C02 through consumption of fossil fuels

2) alleged geoengineering of the climate using covert methodologies

Manmade cc through C02 emissions is an unproven hypothesis that has been turned into a big lie. Geoengineering is a proven reality with unknown dangers attached.

They are diametrically opposite.

Why are you obviously, clumsily and deliberately trying to confuse them in people’s minds?

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
May 18, 2023 10:40 PM

Good one. Precisely so. Let me add:

CO2 is a financial illusion instrument invented by Goldman Sachs on a desk which has nothing to do with the physical world.

A rational person can easily figure out on a simple calculator and rational thinking that CO2 must be a hoax, so the problem is only to convince the sheep who dont have basic math and gramma skills.
Voltairenet made a precise short valuation and closing of the CO2 case ref here: https://www.voltairenet.org/article208187.html

Geo Engineering: As you say its uncertain to which extent this has an influence on our earthly systems.
So far we can see, it is being used military making earthquake in Turkey, and some chemicals are being spread over our air and soil.

Howard
Howard
May 19, 2023 4:11 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

Please, I beg you: don’t tell the trees and plants that CO2 is a “financial illusion instrument.”

They’ll freak out for sure, knowing their entire lives have been a lie, breathing in something which only exists in the inner sanctum of Goldman Sachs.

erik nielsen
erik nielsen
May 19, 2023 7:56 PM
Reply to  Howard

You did it again. Conflating two separate concepts.

  1. CO2 as necessary “oxygen” for trees and plants. The real definition of our reality..
  2. CO2 as a financial instrument. The false definition of our reality.

Question not answered: You do that deliberately to saw confusion, or are you just on the fourth booster jab?

Howard
Howard
May 20, 2023 3:23 PM
Reply to  erik nielsen

With all due respect, it was you who brought financial instruments into the discussion – not me. My earlier reply to you was what is, I believe, called “snark.”

CO2, while essential to the very survival of plants and trees, can have the opposite effect if overdone. Too much CO2 – and yes, it is possible for plants to be exposed to too much CO2 (just as it’s possible to be exposed to too much H2O – especially when combined with too much UVC, will cause plants to shut their stomata.

So there are four booster jabs now? Honestly I don’t keep up with that stuff since I’m anti-vaxx. 72 vaccinations for US school children is 72 too many.

Howard
Howard
May 19, 2023 4:08 PM

Every hypothesis remains unproven until it’s proven, at which point it ascends to the rank of a theory.

Granted we live in an age – unlike any other in human history – when everything is suspect. Given that caveat, much paleo data suggest that CO2 in higher than normal concentrations has been associated with previous mass extinctions. (I know: correlation does not necessarily equal causation).

There is no confusion regarding chemtrails and higher than normal CO2 concentrations: both are human related. It’s not another either-or binary. Both dynamics can be in play at the same time.

Penelope
Penelope
May 18, 2023 5:53 PM
Reply to  Howard

Yes, I’ve my doubts about Dane Wigington & geoengineering watch as well.

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
May 19, 2023 1:41 PM
Reply to  Howard

What did i say about rabbit holes? Geoengineeringwatch.org could be yet another syop driven narrative to explain away the chemtrails. This is usually because our gov’ts will not explain at all what the taxpayer money is doing but just to leave everyone guessing. There is a reason for chemtrails and i think it has nada to do with ‘engineering’. More likely the chemtrails are because of cosmic particles reacting with other particles in the atmosphere and reaching ground level. This is occurring now because of a lack of magnetism around the Earth due to solar minimum. Apparently these cosmic particles can cause changes in DNA. This effect will only get worse the further into minimum we go, until we reach grand solar minimum. So we on Earth are facing a real threat for which our gov’ts and the UN are blaming the people themselves, for driving their cars and keeping… Read more »

Howard
Howard
May 19, 2023 4:19 PM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

Not sure how geoengineeringwatch.org – whose entire existence is predicated on the reality of chemtrails (solar radiation management) – would be a psyop to dissuade people from accepting these sprayed particles as real.

Chemtrails ARE engineered – aluminum, barium, strontium and polymers engineered as nanoparticles. They are destroying the ozone layer, allowing UVC3 rays to reach the ground. But they are also ionizing the atmosphere, making it easier for satellite communications and other military ventures.

Howard
Howard
May 19, 2023 4:37 PM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

Since Monsieur Algorithm allowed me to edit my comment then jokingly refused to post it, let me add this.

I believe you’re making too much of this solar minimum. It happens every 11 or 12 years – which coincides with Jupiter’s orbit around the sun.

If it were as devastating as you suggest, we would feel its effects every time Jupiter completes an orbit.

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
May 19, 2023 6:11 PM
Reply to  Howard

What do you think is occurring in California and Asgaolier, and other areas. They are breaking all records, and we are several minimums out from the grand minimum. The affects will only increase the deeper we go.
Take a look at previous Grand Solar Minimums and their affects. Some have found correlations with extinction in mammals and grand solar mins.

erik nielsen
erik nielsen
May 19, 2023 8:01 PM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

You guys are looking at fragments, thus you will never find the real answer.
Climb higher and see the overall picture. Only then you will get your equations right.

Howard
Howard
May 20, 2023 3:15 PM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

What is – and has been – happening in California is fully consistent with climate engineering. Ionospheric heaters are used to create heat domes which push Pacific moisture up and over the dome, thus denying California its normal rain and snow. Except, of course, for this season, when California was inundated with rain and snow – with the help of patented chemical ice nucleating elements.

This is one where the aforementioned Dane Wigington has a front row seat: he lives on the eastern side of Lake Shasta and has carefully monitored the situation in California. I may be skeptical of some of his claims; but where he is clearly an eyewitness, I do tend to accept what he reports.

Placental Mammal
Placental Mammal
May 17, 2023 11:56 PM
Reply to  Howard

Resources

There is no compelling evidence that global warming is occurring. However resources are running out, biodiversity has already been stamped out and pollution of different kinds are a grave problem. I personally do not see a future for our species.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
May 18, 2023 10:44 PM

Bs. There is unlimited resources. Ref Ghandi: “There is enough in this world for everyone’s need, but not for everyone’s greed”.

Phylum Chordata
Phylum Chordata
May 18, 2023 12:07 AM
Reply to  Howard

The point is, whether you’re claiming accidental manmade climate change or intentional manmade climate change, there remains no evidence for either or that the climate is doing anything strange beyond slightly warming after the end of the Little Ice Age.

Such fluctuations are normal and far greater ones than this have occurred regularly through eons of time.

The theory the current mild warming is unusual or dangerous or caused by CO2 remains a theory with very little evidence to support it beyond computer models – and covid showed us how much they’re worth

Howard
Howard
May 18, 2023 12:45 AM

Here’s an interesting website which while it debunks much of the fake global warming data (as put forth by the IPCC, e.g.), it does maintain there is a definite problem with the climate which is anthropogenic.

Geoengineering Watch | Exposing the climate engineering cover-up

Human values
Human values
May 18, 2023 9:53 AM
Reply to  Howard

Anything to make you scared. Be very afraid of water, air and food! What do you people breath, drink and eat then? How is it possible for American conspiracy theorists to be alive?

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/photoshopped-chemtrail-images-on-geoengineeringwatch-org.6658/

Howard
Howard
May 18, 2023 4:16 PM
Reply to  Human values

This is interesting. But they still haven’t debunked what I can clearly see just by looking up. One day (and granted this was an exception), while walking the dog, I saw a plane going (what appeared from my perspective to be) up and down, releasing trails of spray, one after another.

Unless the pilot was lost, or simply unable to fly his plane properly, he was clearly releasing chemtrails.

Had I never seen this and so much more going on, I too would be skeptical.

As for photoshopping, it could indeed be the case. But then, it’s almost de rigueur to call something photoshopped nowadays.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
May 18, 2023 6:32 PM
Reply to  Howard

What you saw was precisely chemtrail. It happens here where I live too.
Nobody talks about it, nobody cares, nothing in the News.

I use natural Hydroxychloroquine as prophylaxis when I feel for it.

If you use the rainwater, activated coal with some cotton and small stones can take the worst of it. Simple.

Human values
Human values
May 19, 2023 1:22 PM
Reply to  Howard

I’ve never seen ”chemtrails”. I live very close to an airport and I have an excellent view of the skies from my apartment. Sometimes contrails linger due to atmospheric conditions, mainly when it’s been hot and dry during the summer. Sometimes there are clouds forming lines, but they are just clouds. Contrails and clouds are water. Some Americans are selling fear so that they can make money. First they create fear, a threat, like to be very afraid to breathe the air or drink water, so that you’ll buy their filtering systems and equipments. But I don’t buy. There’s no chance for you to know just by looking if the plane was releasing what you call ”chemtrail”, something toxic. I’ve seen airplanes, small ones or military, flying like that and they are just practicing. It’s called aerobatics. They can spray something to make it look cooler, but why on earth… Read more »

Howard
Howard
May 21, 2023 4:20 PM
Reply to  Human values

This is one instance where there really has been testing accomplished which demonstrates the presence of aluminum et al in this chemtrails.

This link is a quite long film (2 hours); but it does demonstrate the presence of these elements (I don’t remember what exact footage within the film).

The Dimming, Full Length Climate Engineering Documentary » The Dimming, Full Length Climate Engineering Documentary | Geoengineering Watch

Human values
Human values
May 22, 2023 10:54 AM
Reply to  Howard

I put ”products that contain aluminium” on a search engine and wow, it’s almost everywhere! Not just deodorants and pans, but foods! I then put ”why is there aluminium everywhere” and learned that the universe contains it, the Earth contains it, and 8,3 % of the Earth’s crust is aluminium, so it’s very abundant. I then searched ”is there aluminium in water” and found out yes, there is aluminium in water. As contrails are water, why wouldn’t there be aluminium? Why should we be afraid of these naturally occurring elements? The amount of aluminium varies with geographical location, for example in rainwater. People intake more aluminium eating a hamburger than drinking tap water. If it was as toxic as some websites claim, there would be no human life. But human bodies have ways of naturally excreting these materials. Why would anyone be so afraid of water or its elements, air… Read more »

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
May 19, 2023 1:54 PM
Reply to  Howard

I’ve also seen this in the UK.

wardropper
wardropper
May 17, 2023 10:29 PM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

I think sheep rather like to be dipped, unfortunately…

Hannah
Hannah
May 18, 2023 12:31 AM
Reply to  wardropper

They like to be sheared, but not dipped.

wardropper
wardropper
May 18, 2023 1:11 AM
Reply to  Hannah

I guess we know different sheep then.
Mine were Welsh, and they panic easily, but not at dipping time for some reason…

wardropper
wardropper
May 18, 2023 1:23 AM
Reply to  Hannah

The thing is there are various ways of dipping them, some more sheep-friendly than others, and sheep can swim, although rather inefficiently, when they have to.
They have more of a survival instinct than most human kids at any rate.

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
May 19, 2023 1:56 PM
Reply to  wardropper

See ‘Clarkson’s Farm’ for more on keeping sheep.

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
May 19, 2023 1:55 PM
Reply to  Hannah

Don’t you mean fleeced?

Hele
Hele
May 18, 2023 6:44 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Sheep beg to be fleeced.

wardropper
wardropper
May 18, 2023 4:29 PM
Reply to  Hele

and vaccinated, for that matter… 🙂

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
May 18, 2023 6:33 PM
Reply to  Hele

and go to war, too.

Bob the Hod
Bob the Hod
May 18, 2023 7:13 AM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

They won’t realise anything, because rather than going outside to look at and sense the weather for themselves, or read thermometers in their own back gardens, they rely on government funded agencies like the Met Office to do their thinking for them and tell them what is happening. Of course, the likes of the Met Office, routinely lie, particularly when it comes to warm weather, but they’ve done their job. The normies do what they’ve been programmed to do and bleat on about how hot it is and how terrible it is, then bleat on some more about which hotter country they are jetting off to that year in their nanoparticle spraying stratospheric aerosol injection devices. It’s quite ironic.

I don’t expect them to wake up any time soon.

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
May 19, 2023 2:03 PM
Reply to  Bob the Hod

Apparently, jet engines aren’t that polluting as most of the thrust comes from compressing air and shooting it out the back. We have been sold a pup as far as air travel goes and how polluting it really is. We have/are also been overcharged for that travel.

Sam I am
Sam I am
May 17, 2023 7:29 PM

You are aware that there is an overlap between the board of directors of Pfizer and that of Reuters.

Today’s main headline at Reuters is designed to keep the fear factor alive.
“How a deadly bat virus found new ways to infect people”

It is a new scary virus labeled “Nipah Virus”.

There is nothing new about Pfizer/Reuters propaganda
keeping the fear factor alive.

Thomas L Frey
Thomas L Frey
May 17, 2023 8:40 PM
Reply to  Sam I am

Sounds just like the Medical System, CDC and Big Pharma.

STJOHNOFGRAFTON
STJOHNOFGRAFTON
May 18, 2023 2:50 AM
Reply to  Sam I am

Anthropomorphism in bats as they hold urgent meetings on how to come up with new ways to infect humans.

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
May 18, 2023 4:34 AM
Reply to  Sam I am

Both organisations report to the central banking cartel which has been planning the takeover of the world for over 2000 years.With the Bolshevik revolution they achieved their goal. They consolidated their hold with their Mao revolution. They constantly consolidate their hold. We have seen their already powerful hold on the media tighten perceptively over the decades. Only a few countries outside the West and the communist block recognized Israel in 1948. Seventy Five years later the situation is quite different with India, China and some Gulf countries extending full diplomatic relation to the apartheid country. Lots of other smaller countries have done the same. The banksters used a variety of tactics including assassination to attain this state of affairs.

Matt Black
Matt Black
May 18, 2023 7:53 AM

reported for anti-semitism

thinking-turtle
thinking-turtle
May 18, 2023 7:03 AM
Reply to  Sam I am

What does “an overlap between the board of directors of Pfizer and that of Reuters” have to do with this conference announcement? Doesn’t that distract from the conference itself?

wardropper
wardropper
May 19, 2023 1:20 AM

Oh, we can multi-task here.

Hele
Hele
May 18, 2023 7:03 AM
Reply to  Sam I am

Thompson Reuters Inc will : “partner,give back,connect,innovate,drive productivity.
‘Our customers rely on us to deliver the intelligence, technology and expertise they need to find trusted answers”
‘There is no assurance that the events described in any forward-looking statement will materialize.”
James Smith: board of Pfizer and one time chief executive officer for Thompson Reuters and now-Chairman of the Thomson Reuters Foundation(another fucking foundation)

‘Other People In Board Member:Albert Bourla “

Sam I am
Sam I am
May 18, 2023 2:30 PM
Reply to  Hele

As we are discussing here the incestuous relationship between news giant Reuters and BigPharma let us take note of another slimy relationship, that of Reuters and the CIA.

Reuters employs former CIA personnel as company’s Government Global Business Director. As per Reuters website, she is charged with “responsibility of advancing Thomson Reuters’ ability to meet the disparate needs of the U.S. Government.”

And it wasn’t just any CIA agent planting corrupt seeds at Reuters..

Prior to joining Thomson Reuters, Ms. Scalici served 33 years with the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). In her last federal assignment, she served as the National Intelligence Manager for the Western Hemisphere within the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI). In this role, she was responsible for overseeing national intelligence for an area of responsibility spanning from the Arctic to the tip of South America, including the US Homeland.

Hele
Hele
May 20, 2023 6:24 AM
Reply to  Sam I am

Incredible.