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Rehearsed Lives and Planned History

Edward Curtin

“The technical achievement of advanced industrial society, and the effective manipulation of mental and material productivity have brought about a shift in the locus of mystification. . . . the rational rather than the irrational becomes the most effective vehicle of mystification.”
Herbert Marcuse, One-Dimensional Man

“General, man is very uselful.
He can fly and he can kill.
But he has one defect:
He can think.”
Bertolt Brecht, “From a German War Primer”

Langdon Winner opens his prescient book, The Whale and the Reactor: A Search for Limits in an Age of High Technology (1986), with an anecdote about John Glenn and his experience orbiting the earth in 1962 aboard Friendship 7.

After long, rigorous training in simulators, Glenn found that when he looked at earth from orbit – only the third man after Soviet pilots Yuri Gagarin and Gherman Titov to do so – he felt as if he had seen it all before.  Rather than a sense of awe, he felt that his training exercises had deprived him of true experience.  Winner writes, “Synthetic conditions generated in the training center had begun to seem more ‘real’ than the actual experience.”

Glenn’s example might seem unusual for the early 1960s, but it is now commonplace, the rule rather than the exception.  I think many people today sense, but can’t admit, that technology has usurped direct human experience while presumably enhancing it with so-called awe-inspiring, tech-enhanced products.  Just as people walk around embalming time with their camera phones, there is something funereal about activities that have been rehearsed, reviewed, and planned on digital screens before they are undertaken.  It’s as if the hearse doesn’t come rolling in soon enough.

I just checked the local weather forecast and “they” say there is a 37.235 % chance of showers on Saturday, six days away.  Should I start worrying today since I have planned a picnic for that day?  Would I be wrong to wonder when on that future day, if it ever arrives and I am around to greet it, that the 37.235 % chance of showers applies? Day or night, morning or afternoon?  The picnic is scheduled for 1-3 PM, so should I play it by the odds and assume those 8.33 % of the 24 hours have a decent chance of avoiding the 37.235 %?  Should I live by numbers and computer simulations?

In The Abolition of Man, CS Lewis, a man not opposed to science, tells us:

There is something that unites magic and applied science while separating both from the ‘wisdom’ of earlier ages. For the wise men of old the cardinal problem had been how to conform the soul to reality, and the solution had been knowledge, self-discipline, and virtue. For magic and applied science alike the problem is how to subdue reality to the wishes of men: the solution is a technique. . .

Why was Glenn circling the earth anyway?

If the novelty of experience and the real objective value of the outside world have been crippled by the repetitive and predictive nature of technology, it is worth reminding ourselves of the simple truth that technology does not just happen; it is rooted in a philosophical premise of control, the inability to let the earth breathe and to stop trying to control life.  This is a human choice.

It is possible to show reverence for nature and our part in it and to use technology for humane goals, not because we are adept at techniques, but because we understand that human beings are emphatically not machines but spiritual and moral beings. This has seldom been the case in modern times. To do so demands asking what are our first principles and what are the ends we are seeking.

This requires subordinating science and technology to higher values.  All technical decisions are political and all political decisions are moral.

Most new technologies of the past two hundred years have been touted as “revolutionary,” machines that will radically transform life for the better – i.e. leading to less labor, more equality, and the enrichment of human experience.  Nowhere has this been truer than with the promotion of the computer and the digital “revolution” with its information superhighway – the  Internet – that has been sold as leading to more benefits than the mind can imagine.

The result, however, has been the loss of our minds as the nonsense that “information is power” has become a mantra of those controlling the digital information flow, as they promote information as an elixir for democracy.  Such a strange sort of democracy it is where more and more power has accrued to the power elites and diversions of data and digital dementia to regular people who have a hard time remembering and forgetting, seemingly an odd couple if ever there were one.

Currently you hear a lot of complaining about artificial intelligence (AI), as if its development is some great surprise.  Much of this caviling has been coming from the very people who created AI and continue to develop it. Now these experts are warning that it could get out of control, so we must be careful and take action since we risk “extinction” from AI.

Only an idiot wouldn’t laugh at such rhetoric.  Who are the “we” who need to take action?  The fear campaign never stops, while the controls tighten.

Thirty-seven years ago Winner wrote:

Some observers forecast that ‘the computer revolution’ will eventually be guided by new wonders in artificial intelligence.  Its present course is influenced by something more familiar: the absent mind.

And malevolent hubris.

For AI has been the stuff of popular screen and book entertainment for a long time, dress rehearsed in the popular consciousness far in advance of opening night.  Now that the hearse has appeared and the identity of its occupants has become cause for wonderment, much chatter has erupted on the Internet.  Could we be dead?  Where are our controls?

The process of creating dread has been rather smooth, so surprise is an odd reaction.  We have been in the simulators far longer that John Glenn was in his, and we too have seen it all before.  First they created millions of artificial people drip-by-drip by drugging them with the “magic” of technological devices that were “irresistible,” then, when most of “reality” had become unreal and people had downloaded their natural lives into the devices, they roll out the latest fraud about how the machines are taking over from humans, as if people don’t have hands and eyes and walk upon the earth; that they can’t see the birds in the trees or feel the breeze upon their heads.  That they are not free to determine their own lives.

Be afraid, for “you have no freedom” has been the message for decades.  This is the repetitious, implicit message of fear used to paralyze people.  The AI experts who create the instruments of “control,” even as they continue to develop them, then warn of their dangers.  Here is their recent one sentence warning:

Mitigating the risk of extinction from AI should be a global priority alongside other society-scale risks such as pandemics and nuclear war.

Is that so?  Our Dr. Frankensteins  are so kind to create these monsters only to warn us about them.

Have you heard it all before?

Have you seen it all before?

Is the same-old, same-old getting you down?

Does the news seem like déjà vu all over again?

Does your life seem rehearsed and official history produced in advance?

Has the Weirdness arrived?

I think it’s fair to say that wherever people travel these days, it’s as if they were already there before they even left.  Or at least the pictures they have seen have taken the newness out of the places they are going to in today’s simulated life.  Nearly a century ago in The Sun Also Rises, Ernest Hemingway had his protagonist Jake Barnes say to Robert Cohen, when Cohen asks Barnes to go to South America with him and Barnes won’t:

‘Cheer up,’ I said. ‘All countries look just like the moving pictures.’

Moving pictures – how quaint that sounds today when the moving pictures now move in the dinguses in people’s pockets wherever people move, on the go to nowhere new.  John Glenn would probably understand.

In his concluding chapter, Winner write:

More and more, the whole language used to talk about technology and social policy – the language of ‘risks,’ ‘impacts,’ and ‘trade-offs’ – smacks of betrayal. The excruciating subtleties of measurement and modeling mask embarrassing shortcomings in human judgment.  We have become careful with numbers, callous with everything else. Our methodological rigor is becoming spiritual rigor mortis. [my emphasis]

This leads me back to the Internet and all the verbal and pictorial information published there. This is where most people now get their “news” and analyses about the “outside” world, where they get much of their official history before it happens. Even when people have learned how to choose sites judiciously, it is still information overload that destroys their ability to think, to remember what is important and forget the inessential.

Paul Virilio, the French scholar of technology and speed (dromology), calls it the “information bomb” (added to the nuclear and genetic bombs), the glut of repetitive information that deranges regular people but is a boon to the elites who think they are in full control of people’s minds and the technology they promote.  Virilio writes:

A black hole of Progress into which has now fallen this whole philanoia, this love of madness on the part of the sciences and technologies, which is now seeking to organize the self-extinction of a species that is too slow….Not liberation, but global takeover of humanity by totalitarian multimedia powers, applying intensely to populations that age-old strategy which consists in sowing division everywhere – between peoples, regions, towns, countries, races, religions, sexes, generations, and even within families.

Like John Glenn’s loss of awe while in orbit because of his simulator experience, and like the rehearsal for travel and so much else people do through screens – “pre-planning,” as the redundant word usage reveals the truth – the Internet has become a place to lose your mind as fast as you can and to make sure your life is devoid of surprises.

And because Internet content is posted so rapidly and in such large quantities, the providers and their readers can’t move on from the past because they are repeating it in ways that let them hold onto it without understanding it. There is no “space” for new thoughts.  It is analogous to those individuals who have suffered some childhood trauma but because it was so overwhelming, keep unconsciously repeating it in disguised form, rather than facing its truth and creating a new future.

Some of the Internet repetition is unconscious and innocent blather, and much of it is the basic method of propaganda.  Repeat and repeat the lies so that those hearing them can’t imagine there could be another truth.  And then those hearing them can’t forget what they have heard so often because, as Thoreau once said, “It is so hard to forget what it is worse than useless to remember.” And of course they can’t remember what they never heard since it has been omitted.  Propaganda is two-faced.

There is a stuckness to so much on the Internet because the space is unlimited and sites keep posting at rapid-fire speed to keep up with each other. The Internet is like a clogged highway on a Friday evening with hoards fleeing to the same “isolated” getaway.  By the time they get there, they wonder why they ever left, or if they did.

If you stop reading or viewing the Internet for a week or more, and then return, you won’t miss much.

Take, for example, Russia-gate and the recently released Durham Report.  Patrick Lawrence has written an intriguing article about it: John Durham and the Burying of American History.  

Special Counsel Durham’s four year investigation, “Report on Matters Related to Intelligence Activities and Investigations Arising Out of the 2016 Presidential Campaigns,” is, as Lawrence says, more a confirmation than a revelation.  It verifies in a tricky way what some have known for seven years and others continue to deny because the implications are so explosive: that in 2016, Hillary Clinton, the Democratic Party, and the FBI conspired to create the Russia-gate hoax to smear Donald Trump as a Russian proxy to help Clinton get elected president.

The CIA and FBI knew from the start that the claims of a Trump-Russia conspiracy were completely fraudulent.

Once Trump was surprisingly elected, however, the Russia-gate lies were repeated endlessly for years by the conspirators, the mainstream press, and some alternative media.  Such propaganda had the effect of fueling hatred for Russia and President Putin, NATO’s continuing expansion to Russia’s borders, Ukraine’s neo-Nazi ongoing attacks on the Donbass, the persecution of Julian Assange as Clinton regularly accused him and Trump of being in cahoots with the Russian government, and eventually, after enough U.S. provocations, led to the present US/NATO war against Russia in Ukraine and the growing danger of nuclear war.

The Durham Report lays out some of the conspiracy that led to them, but not these consequences.  It doesn’t call for criminal prosecutions and is very lacking in many ways; it excludes the central role of CIA Director John Brennan and the false and discredited Clinton claim that Russia interfered in the 2016 election by hacking Democratic party servers to help elect Trump by releasing the material through Wikileaks, etc. 

No one hacked those emails, as Ray McGovern and Veterans Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) have shown time and again.

It is a limited-hangout, a report so late and lacking that most people will have forgotten what engendered it, and, if that isn’t enough, the mainstream media is burying it anyway.

I mention Lawrence’s article, not because I agree with all his points – i.e. his historical examples exclude the Covid hoax and he claims that “Watergate was at bottom one man’s scandal,” which it surely was not – nor to analyze the report, but to pick up on points he makes about the burying of history and our faculties of remembering and forgetting.  He writes:

To value history, Nietzsche told us in very different circumstances, is ‘to understand the meaning of the phrase ‘it was.’ But the health of an individual, a people, or of a culture he also said, depended on forgetting, too: It is only when we can forget that we escape the bonds of the past and dare to begin again, to imagine and create, ‘to perceive as we have never perceived before.’ Having the certainty of a written history is what makes possible this desirable kind of forgetting.

I think understanding these ideas is necessary for understanding what has become of us in the era of digital simulacra, how we have lost our way while learning to imitate rather than live. Our reactions have become copies of copies.  History has become a series of pseudo-debates with fewer and fewer matters factually settled so one can forget and move on.

While the Internet provides us with massive amounts of information, some of it very important, its very nature or the method of its delivery of its content controverts its claim to seriousness.  It is hard to remember or forget when one subjects oneself to a steady stream of electronic images that speed through one’s mind like flashing lights.

Forgetting is usually considered a bad attribute that happens to you, not something good that one can do.  It has come to be associated with ailments such as dementia and Alzheimer’s. Rarely is it seen as a necessary art – Nietzsche’s “music of forgetting” – that one might practice in order to make “room” for the onrushing future. 

For we know that the significance of the past depends on its importance for the future and only once one takes a stance toward the past can one create a new future. This is true for individuals and society.  Learning to remember the past so as to forget it for the future is central.

Lawrence uses the JFK assassination, which occurred 60 years ago, as an example.  The Internet is full of articles that still debate the assassination, as if the facts were not clear long ago.  These pseudo-debates encourage readers to forget the facts – that the CIA killed Kennedy – and that the evidence is readily available if one reads a few scholarly books with impeccable sources, such as James W. Douglass’s JFK and the Unspeakable; Why He Died and Why It Matters.  (Books obviously differ significantly from the Internet.) 

How long such nonsense will continue is a guessing game, but because the truth is so unsettling, as is Russia-gate, I suspect it will continue for a long time.  One is encouraged to remember incidentals, while the core is elided to keep the debate going.

It is true, as Lawrence says, that certain lies are too big to fail, for if they did and entered the official histories as truths, they would be preserved, not to be forgotten. Then society could deal with their implications.

But as long as matters such as the facts in the Durham Report (and the report’s omissions), the JFK assassination, etc., are buried or endlessly debated, as they are being now, their continuing ramifications in Ukraine, US politics, etc. will be more deadly history planned in advance and nothing will seem new or hopeful.  Like John Glenn, we will have seen it all before in our simulated lives.

Only to repeat it as we fly in circles in a country of endless lies.

Edward Curtin is an independent writer whose work has appeared widely over many years. His website is edwardcurtin.com and his new book is Seeking Truth in a Country of Lies.

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Junious Ricardo Stanton
Junious Ricardo Stanton
Jun 13, 2023 10:26 PM

“Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to relive them.” George Santayana
The plutocrats are replicating the themes of Orwell’s 1984 whereby the ruling class is scrubbing the Internet, deliberately altering history and revising our experiences to fit and cement their narratives, into our psyches in order to foment social and cultural amnesia. Their goal is to separate us from our cultural moorings and traditions. The miscreants want to depopulate the world and driving us crazy (menticide) is one of their concomitant objectives. What else explains the fads/patterns of: gender dysphoria, societal division, polarization and hostility, needless mask wearing and compliance to fear driven mandates and coercion? The plutocrats grave power and control and everything they are doing is pursuit of these objective!

Nick Baam
Nick Baam
Jun 13, 2023 6:52 PM

Such propaganda had the effect of fueling hatred for Russia and President Putin.’

So did the NYT Russian Bounty story — complete bullshit as you were reading it.

So did the NYT headline: ‘Defiant Russia Offers Snowden Temporary Asylum’ —

Note they didn’t even wait for the first graph to mislead you; as in, ‘A defiant Russia today….’

And only weeks earlier the US govt brought down the Bolivian president’s plane — the stuff of wars — under the belief Snowden was on board. (He wasn’t.)

In other words: Russia not only had the right to offer Snowden asylum, it had the obligation.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Jun 13, 2023 6:04 PM

The extinction of humanity, if it is to occur as planned, will not be its actually physical annihilation, though a massive culling is certainly part of the agenda. The dangers of AI is not killer robots in the simulated body of Arnold Schwarzenegger. It will be the conversion of the remaining human v. 1.x into human v. 2.0. The history of the endpoint internet is almost complete, from the monochromatic desktop, to the laptop, to the mobile device, and finally to implanted chips and electrodes in the brain, probably under the apparent auspices of Elon Musk, the newly lionized personality of the American conservative movement and his Neuralink. In addition to the wiring of the brain, it will be activated by his thousands of satellites beaming 5G and up to every corner of the planet. There will be no escape from it. The human mind will become part of the internet of things and its experience will be the consciousness of the global silicon based hive mind, the Borg as it were. It is the psychopath Google executive, Ray Kurzweil, who has laid this out in such detail and with total enthusiasm. Kurzweil’s most powerful motivation, being now 75, is his quest for immortality. Someone seems to have forgotten to tell the mad “genius” that humans are born immortal. Musk, as the frontman poster-boy for the agenda, decries it as unfortunate but a necessity.

Paul Watson
Paul Watson
Jun 12, 2023 6:11 PM

Satanic influence manifests in the minds of men from generation to generation.
Unsurprisingly not a mention of it in the article.
And yet people continue to be baffled how their fellow man is so brainwashed and behaves contrary to all logic and evidence…

peter mcloughlin
peter mcloughlin
Jun 12, 2023 2:05 PM

“History has become a series of pseudo-debates with fewer and fewer matters factually settled so one can forget and move on.
One gem of many in this fascinating article. I think there is very little rigorous debate of history, facts never settled, never moving on – no wonder that sense of déjà vu.
https://patternofhistory.wordpress.com/

p53Speaks
p53Speaks
Jun 12, 2023 2:56 PM

Thanks for your free ebook at your link above. I’ve downloaded it and begun to read it. I understand why your journey to warn others was/is frustrating: when the Messenger brings urgent messages of impending apocalypse many close their minds.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Jun 12, 2023 1:16 PM

Excellent writing by M. Curtin. Of course reader comments will refute and negate all authoritative statements relative to history, logic, and/or direct experience…

Bryan
Bryan
Jun 12, 2023 9:30 AM

On the rational locus of mystification: when unattributed reference to “digital simulation,” “simulated lives,” and especially “reactions (that) have become copies of copies” the reference is ultimately Platonism. When reference is made to Nietzsche; then the reference is more specifically “overturning Platonism”; the wider attribution then includes Debord, Baudrillard, Deleuze and their versions of the conceptual reversal of Platonism.

It is within this broader hermeneutic reference that the “art of forgetting” (ars lethica) is made (or not made as the case may be.) Nietzsche did have a sentiment of forgetting reserved for the moral-cognitive structure of the entire Western ontological cannon which he wanted inverted. Which apparently is not the contextual reference being made here.

Granted, he wanted to keep some of it; namely his own aristocratic vision or version. To do so, Nietzsche wanted to free thinkers (that is where the term originated) of the entire way in which we remember; as a predetermined conceptually structured moralising of truth and falsity, right and wrong; and especially the Christian demoralising of good and evil (to get “Beyond Good and Evil”).

It is precisely this truth-bearing moral absolutism that the liberal institutions leverage as herd-animalisation. To this day, formal or informal statements are presented as structure-determined grammatical propositions as factually truth-bearing; to be determined or adjudicated as or true or false by the consensus of the tribe or crowd or agora: exactly as Aristotle dictated.

Nietzsche also wanted rid of the fabricated Western moral-cognitive framework that imagined a superior world above and beyond this world as the “true world” (Hinterwelt); wherever the weak slave morality gets imaginary or ultimate revenge on the strong masterful morality for never. Above all, he wanted a concrete inversion of Platonism: whichever freed the senses from entombment in “that great columbarium of concepts, the burial site of perceptions” which is the logical-analytical grammar of concepts that are copies of copies of percepts (without an original in many cases, that is entirely abstract concepts (de dicta) that have no basis in reality (de re) as simulations (ethereal ficta; eidola mentis as “idols of the mind”).)

A great more could be said of Nietzsche’s perceptive genealogy, his philology, and his nostalgic aristocratic flaws; and also his heirs who took on the unfinished conceptual inversion of making the phenomenal the real and sublating the conceptual memory as containing the empirical phantasms, shadows, or simulacra of sentience; a task that has never been completed. Indeed, it seems to be an anachronistic project to be referenced obliquely, and thus spectacularly, to make a seemingly unrelated point.

In the shift of the locus of mystification: what has been forgotten – and thus needs to be remembered – is how we have internalised a greek pederastic, aristocratic, and completely flawed dualistic mode of perception that subjects perception to enslavement and thus autocratic grammatic absolutism dictated in the sentence structure itself.

This is the killing of the senses and placing them under rational moralisation, forgotten reference to true worlds, and a concrete moral-cognitive morphology cast in the grammatical which Nietzsche wanted brought to consciousness and reversed. Where transcendent truth-bearing rationality is a “mobile army of metaphor, metonymy and anthropomorphisms” arrayed against the senses the rational rather than the irrational becomes the most effective vehicle of mystification. The grammatical practice which is what Nietzsche, Debord, Baudrillard, Deleuze et al may well have hoped we would have recovered from by now. Or at least become aware of.

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
Jun 12, 2023 11:21 AM
Reply to  Bryan

To put it in simple terms, are you saying that formal description of reality; formal logic, formal knowledge of our painful reality is incapable to effect change? That our – very advanced and varied – knowledge of the reasons why we are in the situation we are, our capacity to articulate it linguistically, our justified rants about it, is impotent to inspire a real mouvement? Unless the forms we play with in our minds are filled with conscious content? If that’s the case, agreed.

What you’re saying then, I presume, is that we are still not capable of telling the truth regarding what is happening to us; that’s why we can’t act accordingly. We are saying “life is hell” as it is uttered by a 5-year old; forms that are devoid of content; hence our inaction.

Bryan
Bryan
Jun 12, 2023 12:41 PM

What I’m saying- referencing the art of forgetting – is that Nietzsche exposed what is called apophansis; which has been the structure of grammar and logic since Aristotle (who literally made up the way we think now.)

Briefly, all statements are truth-bearing with reference to ….? A hidden standard of judgement only the cognitive elite can access – namely in their own imaginability. Of which Richard Rorty had a great deal to say in synthesising Jame’s pragmatism with Nietzsche.

‘They’ (as mediaeval ‘Glossators’ or sacerdotal mediators aka the Schoolmen) determined what is true and what is not according to their own preferences. Because their reality is ‘objective’ and ‘true’; everybody else is taken to agree by the structure of the sentence alone. (More intimately, they decided what ‘being’ is and is-not.) The modern deceivers only have to imitate the mediaeval rational structure to maintain power-holding by ‘consent.’ God is not dead – God is in the grammar.

In other words, we are subjected by the words we use and the order we use them in as presupposed and predetermined by the Glossators who determined the repressive nature of grammar long before the present. (Cf. “Can the Subaltern Speak” by Gayatri Spivak – answer: no because the subject is subaltern to the objective truth as moral absolute because of the grammar.)

This then, falls under general rubric of “meaning as truth” – as opposed to “meaning as use” and “meaning as practice” – which are predetermined as subalternate forms of logic. All the time that “meaning is truth” then some form of obscurantist mystification (the ‘correspondence theory of truth’) is in play and everybody is the subject of language; because the senses are subaltern to the rational intellect – hence rational mystification – only now with added scientism as “the Science” as materialist reductive metaphysics.

The project then is to ‘forget’ mystifying metaphysics (“post-metaphysics”) and ‘remember’ the sentient body as whole without any mind/matter; subject/object; transcendent/immanent divisions; ie a “this world; this body” phenomenology. (inter alios Merleau-Ponty, Agamben….)

Truth and falsity are not the problem though; it is the hidden reference to an imaginary otherworld – now accessed by scientism – that is the problem. We can, and indeed must make statements true to this world here and now and contest the rational mystification (that incidentally Marcuse himself fell into.)

With concerted evidence based statement making true to embodiment and true to ecology we can determine the immanent as true without transcendent mystification (true for now, subject to change – not relativism, positivism with empiric reference). What is ineffective is making normative, emotive opinions that cannot be substantiated in the empirical evidence for the whole earth system. Or worse, referencing one’s owned imaginability.

With no reference, anybody can say anything. With an imaginary reference, anybody can say anything is ‘true’ and therefore everything else is automatically (a priori) and categorically false, because of the way we use or abuse the grammar and the logic as ‘true’ to …. the earth?

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jun 11, 2023 10:32 PM

Love Edward Curtin
Occasionally, maybe coincidence – a sense of deja-vu in this life – I am sat completely naked with my naked wife on this tiny little Greek Island…and this naked bloke turns up

And says Hello Tony – I used to work with you 40 years ago…at ICL West Gorton Manchester…

The daft thing about this, is that he did, so I introduced my wife…and then went for a swim

wtf are you doing here?

snap

  • yeh but it keeps happening
  • I don’t remember being here in a previous life – but my wife seems to
  • The important thing is here and now
  • The Grandkids round here today – on the waterslide
  • Grandad – we want that – more Fairy Liquid
  • We want to go faster

I couldn’t say No

Come on Grandad…

Don’t be Daft.

So growing old ain’t that bad

Tony

Will - Admin3
Admin
Will - Admin3
Jun 11, 2023 11:00 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

I’ve read this five times now, Tony, and I’m still none the wiser.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jun 12, 2023 1:17 AM
Reply to  Will - Admin3

Will, I will soon be 70 years old and I am currently trying to cope with a virus attack which is rather painful -mainly attacking my face. My wife got me some Zorivax which is an antival Cold sore Cream for Spots…it seems to be working a bit – otherwise I am not going camping at the next Music Festival

I will never get a hug and kiss – looking like this…

The water slide and grandkids – is much easier to explain…

All you need is an old Tradiitional Straight Slide – a fairly long garden – like where they play fun football…a Nana who loves them to bits…

And buys the extension to the slide – about £4 from Asda – its just a long plastic strip – which squirts water – its got spray holes in it…

All you need to add is a bit of fairy liquid

We even did this during LOCKDOWN

Our Family – the noisiest kids on the Street

Our neighbours wouldn’t come outside – so Terrified

Break The Fear – meet a lovely girl and have a Family

and Become a Grandad

Even I did it – It can’t be that hard.

We have 3 Grandchildren now,

Tony

NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
Jun 11, 2023 9:43 PM

Tomorrow never comes. We’re anchored by debt in an everlasting yesterday.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jun 11, 2023 11:10 PM
Reply to  NixonScraypes

Its only 23 years since 9/11. There is only 7 years to 2030 from now where you will owe nothing, and then 20 years to 2050 where you are carbon zero neutral.

If you cant beat them join them. You can do it if you really try. https://youtu.be/m8VBEKuFPyU .

NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
Jun 12, 2023 10:30 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

I don’t know if that was John Barry backing that track, if it was, he certainly improved later.

Jim Mcdonagh
Jim Mcdonagh
Jun 11, 2023 9:18 PM

A decent read despite skirting the obvious possibility that the population bomb helped create the so called information bomb as many of us who have been cancelled of late as left and right merged believe .

David
David
Jun 11, 2023 9:10 PM

Perhaps it was just another simulation.

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
Jun 11, 2023 8:10 PM

Curtin’s man RFK Jr shows some of his true colors,
A week ago, he took part in New York’s “Celebrate Israel Parade,” marching along with pro-Israel zealot Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, who wrote about this in Jewish Journal.  He even got Bobby Jr to repudiate his support of former Pink Floyd member/founder Roger Waters over the latter’s support of Julian Assange and his facing antisemitism criminal charges in Germany. “Bobby told me he had no idea that Waters was a vicious antisemite and when he studied the issue and the facts, he immediately deleted the tweet. I believe Bobby and I thank him for his repudiation of Waters. How tragic it is for Waters to have his legacy as an antisemite now overtake his legacy as an accomplished artist.”
https://jewishjournal.com/commentary/opinion/359390/israel-and-antisemitism-my-conversation-with-presidential-candidate-robert-kennedy-jr/

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 12, 2023 5:32 PM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

How tragic it is for Waters to have his legacy as an antisemite now overtake his legacy as an accomplished artist.

And there is the “anti-Semitism” device in action. The bare bones of it:

Individual X achieves maneuver Y and looks like he may prove troublesome. Therefore:

How tragic it is for X to have his legacy as an antisemite now overtake his legacy as achiever of Y.

Thomas L Frey
Thomas L Frey
Jun 11, 2023 8:07 PM

How many times does the Government get to lie and deceive you, before you question everything they say and do?

What type of person would you be, if you allowed your spouse to lie and cheat, as much as the government does?

Woowoo
Woowoo
Jun 11, 2023 5:49 PM

Ed’s propaganda is so obvious now. I am sad that Ive only recently figured it out.
As I used to be a fan of your writing.
RFKjr shilling woke me up to how Alt media uses reader digest type story’s fluffy Sunday cup of coffee (like the above ) to actually shill propaganda and like the Bojo resignation for lying over party gate no mention of that but to paint some other story like ‘Trump as innocent’ which to the easily confused (the type who watch alt media and think it is alternative) will think that poor Bojo is being set up like Poor Trump.

Of course Nukes are real and Armageddon apocalyptic will bring in the endtimes.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jun 11, 2023 6:51 PM
Reply to  Woowoo

RE: …how Alt media uses reader digest type story’s fluffy Sunday cup of coffee (like the above ) to actually shill propaganda…

That is a good line.

Thomas L Frey
Thomas L Frey
Jun 11, 2023 8:04 PM
Reply to  Woowoo

How then are Nagasaki and Hiroshima thriving healthy communities less than 100 years later?
How is it that dogs are thriving near and around Chernobyl?
Last I heard an old couple has been living near Chernobyl for decades with no issues.

Jim Mcdonagh
Jim Mcdonagh
Jun 11, 2023 9:28 PM
Reply to  Thomas L Frey

Your first sentence is untrue . Mazda cars made in Hiroshima all test well above normal readings on Geiger Counters and even today cancer clusters flair up when the soil is disturbed by large construction projects. . The second sentence points out a possible exception . Exceptions are not generalities , they are exceptions , and don’t disprove any theory or general rule ?

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Jun 12, 2023 2:57 AM
Reply to  Jim Mcdonagh

We were told that the area would be a radioactive wasteland for centuries.

A cancer cluster that coincides with construction is not proof of causation.

Exceptions prove the rule is not consistent and or potentially false.

Nothing you said refutes the assertion or questions.

rob2
rob2
Jun 12, 2023 2:46 PM
Reply to  Jim Mcdonagh

I never gave it a second thought until recently. Michael Palmer has published a book (available for free) presenting evidence that the nuclear claim is false. He also has a video, all of which was posted just last week at Sasha Latypova’s site:

https://sashalatypova.substack.com/p/how-to-fake-the-atomic-bombs

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jun 11, 2023 9:50 PM
Reply to  Thomas L Frey

Hugo Kruger (a nuclear engineer) has said similar things.

sandy
sandy
Jun 11, 2023 5:47 PM

Brilliant. Thank you. That quote by Virilio is just awesome. He also has written “Cities are war.” An obvious truth unseen until pointed out. To sustain mass culture architectures THEY have to exhaust Mother Nature and strip it to the ground until they go after us as the next harvest of evil. As THEY attempt to herd us into megacities, the massive dysfunction, conflict and terror that exhausted MN is now exhausting Humanity. It’s become glaringly clear if anyone wants a livable life, it’s not in the big cities. We should be fleeing these as quickly as possible and going back to the land and cultivating food/slow culture as antidote.

At some point we will wee the wisdom of pulling the plug and being very selective with our technologies used so they provide for the social needs of Humanity. Oh yeah, and capitalism has to go so trade can return. Sometime.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jun 11, 2023 5:22 PM

Curtin: Most new technologies of the past two hundred years have been touted as “revolutionary,” machines that will radically transform life for the better – i.e. leading to less labor, more equality, and the enrichment of human experience. Nowhere has this been truer than with the promotion of the computer and the digital “revolution” with its information superhighway – the Internet – that has been sold as leading to more benefits than the mind can imagine.
 
The most important aspect of technological development (not its “gee-wiz” character) is that it is a class project. It is developed by ruling class interests to benefit ruling class interests. It’s hard to think of a better example than the internet. The internet was developed by the US military as an aid to counter-insurgency work in Vietnam. (See Yasha Lavine’s book Surveillance Valley: The Secret Military History of the Internet.) It was designed as a tool of warfare. Only much later was the technology given (by the state/military) to Silicon Valley “startups” who branded themselves politically as Libertarians who just want to be free of state control to use their “entrepreneurial genius to benefit mankind.”
 
The key word here that Curtin uses is “touted”, a more honest term is the propaganda promoting new technologies advertised to liberate us always contained the mechanisms to do the opposite.
 
The MSM “debate” about AI, and of course, Curtin’s dismissal of it obfuscates something that should be more concerning than AI art or literature: surveillance capitalism. I am sure that everyone here has heard the trope “data is the new oil.” All our online activity is that data, behavioral data. That data is the raw material for “prediction products that anticipate what you will do now, soon and later.” These prediction products are sold/traded in what Shoshana Zuboff describes as “a new kind of marketplace for behavioral prediction that I call behavioral futures markets.” The point is not just to predict our behavior, but to modify it. She goes on “it is no longer enough to automate information flows about us; the goal now is to automate us.”
 
Curtin’s invocation of the royal “we” regarding technology, that it just “happens”, us silly humans, also obscures the reality that unlike a sorcerer’s apprentice that lost control of the magic, these technologies were developed with the intention of controlling and profiting off of us.
 

Edward Curtin
Edward Curtin
Jun 11, 2023 5:42 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

I have written approvingly of Levine’s work before and have hammered the propaganda theme ad infinitum. Of course I know the origins of the internet. I am making another point in this essay. Maybe you could focus on it and not look for something to criticize, which seems to be a popular pastime.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jun 11, 2023 6:25 PM
Reply to  Edward Curtin

RE: I am making another point in this essay.

Sorry, Mr. Curtin, I am at a loss what as to what your point is. And you do not address my other points at all.

Howard
Howard
Jun 11, 2023 3:26 PM

Were it not for search engines like Google and Bing, the internet might actually be helpful. AI, it seems, was never properly taught how to read.

If you ask it how much money a particular superstar makes, or how much bleach you need, it’s right on the mark. But if you ask it something off the beaten (i.e., the entertainment or commercial) track, it’ll give you everything but what you asked for.

To wax hopelessly pedestrian, I have a smell of gasoline in my nose; I’d like to get rid of it. But AI doesn’t understand that the smell is in my nose, not in my house.

Which leads to the death of the internet: it’s becoming ALL ABOUT selling you something. Since there’s no product on the market to take the smell of gasoline out of your nose, all Google can offer is something to remove the smell from your kitchen counter.

(It does recommend clearing up your sinus infection – but that’s not what’s wrong in this particular instance. So there’s no chance of getting specific information specifically related to any specific condition – not on the internet. Maybe I should mosey up to Pennsylvania and ask around in an Amish community – I bet they’d be infinitely more helpful that this wonderful digital information highway!)

Jerry Alatalo
Jerry Alatalo
Jun 11, 2023 3:20 PM

How long such nonsense will continue is a guessing game, but because the truth is so unsettling, as is Russia-gate, I suspect it will continue for a long time. One is encouraged to remember incidentals, while the core is elided to keep the debate going.”

*

Synonyms for ELIDED: deleted, cancelled, erased, removed, canceled, censored, edited (out), struck (out)

Ther core #1 most-elided most-important/unsettling worldwide fact as of mid-June 2023?…

U.S. Department of Defense [USDoD ] / World Economic Forum [WEF] / World Health Organization [WHO] mRNA injection (bioweapons) premeditated mass murderers of millions continue freely walking this Earth.

Thomas L Frey
Thomas L Frey
Jun 11, 2023 3:10 PM

NASA is a farce. A money pit used to develop earthbound tech that is being used against us. Glen felt like he had been there before because it was the same simulation.

When NASA was asked to produce all the data from the moon landings, their answer was, that it was all lost / accidentally destroyed, and that we didn’t go back because it would be too difficult to reproduce that tech. Since when in history has tech been in reverse progress?

When moon landing astronauts are asked to swear on the bible that they went to the moon, they refuse and some become violent. Buzz Aldrin has stated on multiple occasions that we didn’t go to the moon.

Ever heard of the Van Allen Radiation Belt? According to NASA scientists, it is a radiation belt around the earth that we have yet to figure out how to get through it. Meaning, we didn’t go to the moon because biological life cannot survive the trip through that radiation belt.

All of this information is easily found by searching for it. These are not my words, these are the words of NASA officials and astronauts.

Based on this, the only logical conclusion is that NASA, and the moon landing program, was a giant psyop on the people, justified as part of the Cold War strategy. Or maybe just a result of imported Nazis via Operation Paperclip.

Change my mind?

Howard
Howard
Jun 11, 2023 3:56 PM
Reply to  Thomas L Frey

Maybe the “answer” is that some sort of craft went to the moon but there were no people on board. And since we (Americans) were PROMISED a man on the moon by the end of the decade (the 60s), by God NASA was determined to give us a man on the moon even if they had to fake it!

Thomas L Frey
Thomas L Frey
Jun 11, 2023 7:56 PM
Reply to  Howard

Or maybe when the monkey came back from space it looked like over done bacon and they realized nothing biological could survive the Van Allen Radiation Belt.

Then to psych out the Russians they decided to use a hangar at an Air Force Base, ship in a bunch of grey colored sand, threatened / bought out the astronauts, and used a famous special effects movie director to fake the moon landing.

mgeo
mgeo
Jun 12, 2023 3:13 PM
Reply to  Howard

The known strength of spacecraft against absolute vacuum, hard radiation of various sorts, cyclical meteorite showers and orbital debris, limitations of physiology, limitations to the technology to decelerate when returning from orbit, etc. all mean that the show (illusion) may still be going on.

Jim Mcdonagh
Jim Mcdonagh
Jun 11, 2023 9:43 PM
Reply to  Thomas L Frey

In 1969 America needed some good news ! Walter Cronkite had declared defeat in the Vietnam war , and Nixon/Kissinger’s attempts to save face were failing . The revival of JFKs man on the moon project was a cheap and effective typically Nixonesque solution , and like the Oswald acted alone project set in motion by CIA/FBI at and the Johnson regime a world changing successful propaganda project still believed today by several billion of us.

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 11, 2023 2:33 PM

Sorry for off-topic matter:

https://twitter.com/spikedonline/status/1667501996713164801

Canada has now extended its Pride Month to a full-blown Pride Season. The rainbow cult has become a state-mandated religion. Anyone who dissents will be ostracised and vilified, says @MeghanEMurphy

A “pride march” is a pure provocation. A truly liberated society would not feel any need to push any line of sexuality in a ferociously public manner. The very idea is a contradiction in terms. When these proud demonstrators wave their banners they are practically waving their genitalia in your face and boasting of their private practices as if inviting you to be as “upfront” as they are.

But why would you? It would be like taking a film of yourself fucking and then forcing everyone to watch it. Indeed – it goes beyond that. The sex acts in question are automatically presumed to be “controversial” and so there is an air of defiance about them. And the ones loudly proclaiming this stuff are already expecting intolerance. They even demand intolerance. They want to be hated so they can then protest how victimised they are.

rossgopicotrain
rossgopicotrain
Jun 11, 2023 6:03 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Kana-dah is a shit-show; and living here in Vancouver, B.C., i’m reminded of said fact every f’n day! That is all! RGB-Y3 out!!

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jun 11, 2023 11:22 PM

I have been in Calgary hiking in Rocky Mountains when Canada was still Canada.

At that time the Canadians was still a more comfortable people than those south. Today I dont know. Its difficult to believe such a tremendous country can sink that low.

mgeo
mgeo
Jun 12, 2023 3:16 PM
Reply to  George Mc

The intent of woke (social/political fashion) is to poke (create controveries).

Howard
Howard
Jun 13, 2023 3:01 AM
Reply to  George Mc

I think you read way too much into these Pride parades. The simple fact is, people love a parade (not me though, I hate them).

4th of July Parade; New Year’s Day Parade; Christmas Parade – you get the picture.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jun 11, 2023 1:56 PM

From Russia with love: Fyodor Dostoevsky:

Tolerance will reach such a level that intelligent people will be banned from thinking so as not to offend the imbeciles.

Straight Talk
Straight Talk
Jun 11, 2023 1:56 PM

The Roots Of Modern Eco-Terrorism: From MK Ultra And The Unabomber To Maurice Strong And Yuval Harari

One can hope that the passing of Ted Kaczynski is symbolic of the end of the revenge of the Malthusians.

Jim Mcdonagh
Jim Mcdonagh
Jun 11, 2023 9:51 PM
Reply to  Straight Talk

Revenge of the Malthusians ? Expand on that please. From my view mr Kaczynski had become a Che like loser admired in the MSM with nice hair ?

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 11, 2023 12:58 PM

On big productions:

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/06/09/imyu-j09.html

The Trotters have grasped the essentials of the disaster franchise:

“Deadly wildfire smoke spreads across much of northeast US
…..what was unfolding resembled a surreal scene straight out of a science fiction film. Around 2:00 p.m., the thick, greenish-gray fog transformed into Armageddon orange.”

Also – the effect of bouncing off the covid prequel:

“The refusal of officials to prepare for such a disaster, despite warnings made by scientists about the increasing danger from intensifying wildfires, mirrors the inaction taken with the onset of the pandemic.”

And the strategic necessity of conflating air pollution with the climate change meme:

“Now, even as most high-polluting heavy industries, once located in cities like New York, have shifted overseas, climate change is driving a return to shocking levels of air pollution.”

Incidentally, what exactly is “Armageddon orange”? Only kidding! We all know it’s the most essential part of the trailer.

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 11, 2023 1:06 PM
Reply to  George Mc

The comments are funny too:

How many times do you have to hear ”worse than previously thought”, or the scientist saying ”we didn’t expect this to happen for 70 -90 years hence but its happening now”, to know that this is qualitatively now ‘a run away’ with very little chance of putting it back in its box.

How many times do you have to hear “the scientist” (?) saying these things before you start to wonder if he has been paid to say these things?

Also

San Franciscans and citizens of other western states, like those of Portland, Oregon and Seattle, Washington suffered all of these conditions three years ago. I had to order an air purifier because my lungs were burning even indoors with the windows closed. We we’re all wearing masks. Eyes watered, too.

Lungs burning and eyes watering “even indoors with the windows closed”? Umm … if that’s true, wouldn’t you be dead by now? Oh wait, I forgot the masks! Well, if you wear them all the time and even to bed then I suppose that explains why you’re still alive. But whatever you do, don’t take the mask off since you’ll die right away!

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jun 11, 2023 9:03 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I live on the West coast and for about a week it was almost that bad.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jun 11, 2023 11:25 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

Chemtrail.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jun 11, 2023 11:50 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

Atmospheric aerosol injection may have a role in the fires.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jun 11, 2023 12:41 PM

Mr. Curtin. Your article is too long and complicated over a simple matter. You describe the problem duly but never reach the simple conclusion.

All you see on paper, books, flat and TV screens, are fragments and false reality, because it only plays on your imagination and illusion. I call it the 2-dimensional world.

Only when you are in the physical world where you are connected to cosmos with all your senses, you can get true reality and and a true conclusion. I call this the 3-dimensional world.

The 3-dimensional world is above the 2-dimensional world in the hierarchy.
But our world is build on the opposite illusion that lawyers, politicians, book keepers ink on paper and photos and videos and graphs and statistics on a flat screen are above the real world.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jun 11, 2023 1:31 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

Comma correction:
“But our world is build on the opposite illusion, that lawyers, politicians, book keepers ink on paper and photos, videos, graphs, statistics on a flat screen, are above the real world.

Straight Talk
Straight Talk
Jun 11, 2023 2:06 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

“I am reminded of that pithy passage in Daniel Boorstin’s regrettably overlooked book, The Image. “The reporter’s task,” Boorstin wrote in 1962, “is to find a way of weaving these threads of unreality into a fabric that the reader will not recognize as entirely unreal.”

Boorstin reflected on America’s resort to imagery, illusion and distortion as Washington geared up its gruesome follies in Vietnam. The reporter’s task is a whole lot harder now, given how much further we have wandered into illusion and distortion since Boorstin’s day.”

https://consortiumnews.com/2023/06/07/patrick-lawrence-neo-nazis-in-ukraine-no-yes-no-yes/

Howard
Howard
Jun 11, 2023 3:44 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

99.99999999% Spot On! Ah, but it’s that pesky .00000000001% that fucks everything up. That would be the part where people’s senses are not always 100% accurate.

You know: the old Crime Scene USA stuff, where the “eyewitness” is not always the most reliable source of information.

And unfortunately we’re taught to rely almost entirely on our Big Four Senses – sight, sound, taste, smell. When it’s actually our Fifth Sense – touch (i.e., the skin) – which is the sense that ought to be more fully developed.

The skin picks up ideas which may be floating out there in the ether – but those are the very sensations we tend to discount and ignore in favor of what our other senses provide.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jun 11, 2023 11:33 PM
Reply to  Howard

Sure but you describe the confused 0,00001% . If you know how the universe function, there is no 0,00001%.
2+2=4 yes? Grass is green yes? The real world is one. There can only be one and only one conclusion in the real world.
Everything outside 4 and green is lies and illusions. Fixed.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jun 12, 2023 12:16 AM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

The variations lies inside the one and only one conclusion. Endless variations of the colour green.
Endless variations of music from one simple bamboo flute. But its a bamboo flute and only a bamboo flute.

Howard
Howard
Jun 12, 2023 3:56 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

The thing is, we don’t know how the universe functions. All we know is how scientists have said it functions.

It is possible there are as many principles in play as there are galaxies, or solar systems, or planets. Perhaps 2+2 doesn’t always equal 4 – or perhaps there are places where 2+2 doesn’t even exist. Or places where the retina of beings “see” grass as orange.

This would be more true of leaves than grass, since apparently when leaves “turn” in the fall, all they’re doing is losing chlorophyll, thus revealing colors which were there all along.

NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
Jun 11, 2023 10:26 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

I wonder if the never ending present is eternity. So it’s not some dreary old tedium, it’s alive. I’m with you100% on the 2D stuff, it’s the World of Words that’s taken over the earth. Maybe there’ll be schism and all that dead stuff will drop off through it’s own useless weight. I hope it happens in one of my positive moments.

Johnny
Johnny
Jun 11, 2023 11:02 AM

‘Rather than a sense of awe, he felt that his training exercises had deprived him of true experience.’

Ed, your piece reminds me of the first time I went snorkelling on the Great Barrier Reef.

It was more than fifty years ago, before the plethora of underwater television documentaries, before Cousteau and David Attenborough (God bless em).

Seeing that awesome world for the first time was akin to a religious experience, an awakening of sorts.
As I walked back up the beach I was in a state of reverie. Struck dumb by the beauty and wonder of Life.

We should be humbled by how impossibly beautiful Life IS.

Straight Talk
Straight Talk
Jun 11, 2023 2:10 PM
Reply to  Johnny

“…how impossibly beautiful Life IS.”

Why else would people fight so hard to possess it all?

Balance [1989] – Short animation

“I’ve won… but at what cost?”

Johnny
Johnny
Jun 12, 2023 2:31 AM
Reply to  Straight Talk

Thank you for that Straight Talk.
The balance is indeed precarious.

someone
someone
Jun 11, 2023 10:51 AM

I don’t want to cause a conflict, but I think the Earth is flat. Smart offg readers, what do you think of the shape of the Earth? I’d like to hear your opinion.

Captain Birdheart
Captain Birdheart
Jun 11, 2023 11:53 AM
Reply to  someone

My current opinion : We live on a level earth, of unknown dimension or shape. The Sun and Moon are much closer than advertised, a few thousand miles away. They are both cold plasma electric poles.
No one has ever been to space, or sent anything there. We live in an enclosed system, space is fake.

someone
someone
Jun 11, 2023 12:03 PM

Thank you for your opinion. I want the mainstream academic world to address this issue as soon as possible.

arielazalexander
arielazalexander
Jun 23, 2023 12:55 PM

Yeah, pretty much…ever seen the 1965 YT vid of the gerrman-type professor on the tarmac stating that ‘nobody has ever been to the moon, because its plasma?’
And either luminary is much closer than that. Try sungazing. You may get a ‘different sun’ with either eye. It is NOT, I repeat NOT harmful.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jun 11, 2023 12:20 PM
Reply to  someone

Stop thinking and believing. Start knowing.
Its your plight as man here on earth to acquaint yourself with the universe. To know.

someone
someone
Jun 11, 2023 12:31 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

Thank you for your opinion.

Johnny
Johnny
Jun 11, 2023 1:34 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

And best to begin by knowing oneself, as opposed to hiding behind the mask of personality.

Howard
Howard
Jun 11, 2023 3:49 PM
Reply to  someone

I don’t mean this sarcastically – I’m just curious. If the Earth would happen to be flat, why do the moon and sun appear round? Is that merely an illusion – perhaps because we’re taught from birth that everything is round?

someone
someone
Jun 11, 2023 4:16 PM
Reply to  Howard

Thank you for opinion.

How do I know why the sun and the moon are round? It’s a matter only God knows.

Of course, you may think differently from me. I respect you, but I don’t understand that kind of logic at all.

It’s a really disappointing inference that the moon and the sun are round, so the Earth should be round, too.

For example, you can’t say that animals are human because you are human.

You are a human and an animal is just an animal.

I am not good at speaking English. Please understand. But I think the context has been conveyed.

Howard
Howard
Jun 11, 2023 5:20 PM
Reply to  someone

You do know, or should, that the concept of a flat Earth requires a corresponding cosmology.

It’s been worked out how planets, moons, even suns are formed. Gasses, particles, rocks and other space debris come together. In coming together – which is a chaotic process – the natural tendency is to form into a circular rather than a linear manner.

This makes sense because whatever core holds it together would spread all the matter evenly – and the only way to do that would be a circular shape.

Just as nature abhors a vacuum; it’s none too fond of straight lines either.

someone
someone
Jun 11, 2023 5:50 PM
Reply to  Howard

Science can also lead to errors because humans explore it. It turns out how the planets were formed?

Well, in my view, cosmology is too absurd. Dust collected four billion years ago, blah blah blah. There are definitely limitations that we humans can explore. But they’re saying more than that.

To claim that the earth is round, you must first have a real picture of the earth. But there are no real Earth pictures anywhere in the world. It’s all ridiculous graphics.

Compare Nasa photos by timeline. It’s ridiculous. That is, no one has found out about the universe.

On the other hand, there is a lot of evidence that there are no curves on this Earth. To sum up, we have to say that where we live is flat because we have never been out of the earth and we have never proven a curve on the ground.

In fact, they’re giving a hint with a kind of symbolism. The United Nations’ Mark (the United Nations is using the flat earth model) and Elon Musk’s “space x” are examples.

By all accounts, cosmology was clearly designed to erase God and turn worship objects into ruling classes.

Howard
Howard
Jun 12, 2023 4:02 PM
Reply to  someone

They have “proven” the curvature of the Earth using the horizon. It is well known and can be observed that the farther an object moves away from us, the more it appears to descend into the horizon. If the Earth were flat this couldn’t happen. The object would seem to grow smaller until it disappears; but it wouldn’t gradually appear to sink into the ground.

someone
someone
Jun 12, 2023 5:35 PM
Reply to  Howard

horizon tricks are very, very simple and basic. i’m sure you’ll be ruduculed if you ask the flat earthers like that. you don’t know anything about flat earth. literally nothing. if you want to argue, investigate the other side’s opinion first.

Howard
Howard
Jun 13, 2023 2:54 AM
Reply to  someone

It might surprise you how many videos I’ve watched. I even watched one which purported to show, based on “flat Earth” distances, how long a plane trip from, say, London to Sydney would actually take (something like two hours). The distance was put at about a couple thousand miles.

And yes, I have seen their explanation of the horizon phenomenon. But it really doesn’t add up.

someone
someone
Jun 13, 2023 10:39 AM
Reply to  Howard

I see. Then i respect your opinion. Of course people cant be the same in every opinion. But please also consider that there is no real picture of thd earth and what the un mark and space x imply

Im sorry if youve been offended by my way of speaking. Thats because im not good at english. I hope you didnt misunderstand.

Bored now
Bored now
Jun 11, 2023 10:49 AM

What a wonderful piece of writing Edward.

“…people walk around embalming time with their camera phones…”

You are a poet indeed.

Matt Black
Matt Black
Jun 11, 2023 10:48 AM

Harari at it again….

https://slaynews.com/news/wef-ai-rewrite-bible-create-religions-actually-correct/

Harari noted in another recent gathering that software like ChatGPT has mastered human languages and can harness that function to influence culture

ChatGPT is a probability distribution over word sequences that allows them to predict what the next word is in a sequence and gets its “ideas” from Wikipedia

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 11, 2023 11:33 AM
Reply to  Matt Black

Harari notes that now – apparently for the first time – we have technology that can “create new ideas”? And we were waiting for AI to have this ability? What a strange man he is. Assuming he is a man. Or even human.

Straight Talk
Straight Talk
Jun 11, 2023 2:18 PM
Reply to  George Mc

This is the fundamental problem with heavily left-hemispheric technocrats. Very little right hemispheric (imagination, creativity) brain activity.

“In ‘The Matter with Things’, Iain McGilchrist..argues that we have become enslaved to.. a partial view dominated by the brain’s left hemisphere [mechanistic, materialistic].. in order to understand ourselves and the world we need science and intuition..”

It’s not machine-enhancement we need, just balancing the use of both hemispheres of the brain.

How the Brain’s Left Hemisphere “Mesmerizes” Us into Misunderstanding Reality

“If we are wreaking havoc on ourselves and the world, it is because we have become mesmerized by a mechanistic, reductionist way of thinking.”
https://bigthink.com/thinking/how-the-brains-left-hemisphere-mesmerizes-us-into-misunderstanding-reality/

mgeo
mgeo
Jun 12, 2023 3:27 PM
Reply to  Straight Talk

Left/Right brain orientation seems to be a dated idea among (self-selected) experts. It only serves as a label or mask, as in Left/Right politics.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jun 11, 2023 12:23 PM
Reply to  Matt Black

The proplem is that especially Western languages have been infested with so many buzzwords and leftist ideology concepts so chatGPT will never be able to reach a logical conclusion based on analyses on language.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jun 12, 2023 12:39 AM
Reply to  Matt Black

“As Slay News previously reported, Harari gloated last year that “we just don’t need the vast majority of the population” in today’s world.”

The Daddy Longlegs from Israel is really performing in his clown role in today’s circus.

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 11, 2023 9:45 AM

The media’s most devastating tool is repetition. The content of the repetition can be as absurd as you want. And if the entire population didn’t buy it, the media would still repeat repeat repeat. The people may not believe it individually but each would suspect that large numbers of the population did believe. That in itself would be enough to neutralise dissent. This is because the media is in the powerful position of “representing public opinion”.

And they know every trick to “legitimise” bullshit. Guy Fawkes night was a brilliant PR job. It has literally burned a myth from centuries ago into the public consciousness. And it’s still here!

Kalvin Stardust
Kalvin Stardust
Jun 11, 2023 9:58 AM
Reply to  George Mc

First they tell you what they’re going to tell you. Then they tell you. Finally they tell you that they’ve told you.

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 11, 2023 11:29 AM

And then they send out teams to interview the general public who naturally parrot back what the media told them – or, at least, the only responses they show are from the ones who parrot. This is then presented as “public opinion”. A perfect circle.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jun 11, 2023 12:32 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Its because repetition is necessary to obtain a foundation and to be divine perfect. In East they use this concept of repetition in martial art and all disciplines.
You repeat the alphabet and the little table 2+2=4 again again again until it is there as instinct for children.
In martial art you do the same defence technique again again again, until the defence in incorporated in your body as instinct, and you continue to obtain divine expert degree.

The problem is the fraudsters also use this method to brainwash children…..and adults to wrong thinking and wrong doing.

Johnny
Johnny
Jun 11, 2023 1:42 PM
Reply to  George Mc

The Masters and Mistresses of illusion George.
It’s perverse isn’t it? How they smile and then look so serious at the ‘appropriate’ moments.
At least Houdini was upfront about the illusions he presented.

mgeo
mgeo
Jun 12, 2023 3:29 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Censorship is a vital corollary to repetition. Never mention the Unmentionable, compare the Incomparable or question the Unquestionable.

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Jun 11, 2023 8:42 AM

“Certain lies are too big to fail’

Hmm.

I would add the caveat “Until now”

The two whoppers, covid and climate are different to, for example, Kennedy.

The current lies are engineered on a global scale by a detached group of psychopaths who are so removed from reality they are bound to make mistakes.
The hilarious introduction of monkey pox is a good example. As soon as it was realised that people were mocking it, it was quietly dropped (and renamed mpox)

WTC 7 should have exposed the 9/11 scam and proved beyond doubt that the government is your enemy.

I sincerely believe that they can’t believe that they got away with that one !

However, that must have emboldened the perps of covid and climate who realised that the general public really are stupid.

Covid is taking a break, having reached the limit of credulity whilst the climate machinery is being wheeled onto the stage.

But the devastating cost of “net zero” is starting to be clear and taking money out of peoples pockets is THE surefire way to wake them up.

The Pfizer reports will be resurfacing, climate “science” will be challenged. There are plenty of banana skins for TBTB.

I say get a big tub of popcorn and settle down for the fun.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jun 11, 2023 9:40 AM

The two whoppers, covid and climate are different to, for example, Kennedy.

Covid and Kennedy (and 9/11) share a commonality that climate doesn’t (assuming it is a total psyop)

Covid, JFK and 9/11 all employ the propaganda strategy: the fake binary (see https://off-guardian.org/2022/05/16/the-function-of-the-fake-binary/)

Covid:
Story A. Pandemic requiring OTT measures
Story B. Virus, but measures not required/harmful (various versions)

Reality: No virus, no nothing

9/11:
Story A. Terrorists did it
Story B. US govt did it (with help from various quarters)

Reality: US govt did it … but not all that was said to have been done was done. You can propagandise and coerce health professionals to inject millions of people with substances that will injure, maim and kill on the back of over 100 years of fraudulent science but you cannot propagandise demolition professionals to only semi-evacuate buildings before destroying them – that’s not a thing. And all the evidence clearly points to staged death and injury which isn’t to say that no one died or was injured.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/3000-dead-and-6000-injured-a-lie.html

They want to kill people now, there can be no question about that but they didn’t want to kill people on 9/11 they only wanted us (both the believers and the disbelievers of their nonsense story) to believe they were killed – a very different situation.

If you do something for real in a psyop that you don’t want for real, you’re not doing your job properly. Psyops are about make-believe, they’re about smoke’n’mirrors not doing things for real unless you want them for real. Doing for real (unless wanted) is simply not psyop MO.

JFK assassination:
Story A. Lone gunman
Story B. Secret cabal

Reality: Assassination faked. Don’t ask me why or what happened to JFK – no clue – but the evidence clearly shows fakery.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/jfk—fake-assassination.html

Climate:
Until now, I’ve accepted the science put forward but knowing how fraudulent medical science is in so many areas I’m beginning to wonder if I somehow got it wrong. One thing though is that if AGW is a psyop the voice on it has been radically different from other psyops in that it wasn’t a unified voice from the start with the same message being pumped at us 24/7. When I first got interested in the subject the media treated it very differently and many in government were very much anti-AGW (some still are).

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Jun 11, 2023 12:41 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Whoever is correct about any of the above, the truth is that they have achieved their goal ie. dividing the people.

They are clever bastards.

But they’re still bastards !

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jun 11, 2023 12:57 PM

What gets me though is that they’ve been using the same techniques for centuries if not millennia and we still haven’t caught on! Drives me nuts.

Thom
Thom
Jun 11, 2023 4:36 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Most people have caught on. That’s why mainstream media forums on all the issues above are heavily ‘moderated’.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jun 12, 2023 11:35 AM
Reply to  Thom

People are definitely catching on with covid, that’s true, but they haven’t cottoned on to the fake binary propaganda strategy … at least not completely. They get the controlled opposition phenomenon but they just don’t quite get the complete fake binary thing, for example, most people who don’t believe the 9/11 narrative either react with hostility to the idea that death and injury were staged or even if they accept that it was staged don’t see the significance – the significance isn’t that they didn’t kill or injure (at least not in the main), the significance is that they have a false Story A and a false Story B (at least half-false which is really tantamount to the same thing) which keeps the truth suppressed – it’s the propaganda strategy that’s important not whether or not people were killed.

thinking-turtle
thinking-turtle
Jun 11, 2023 8:05 AM

A few weeks ago I read that videos from the ISS are filmed in a giant swimming pool. What makes you sure John Glenn circled the earth?

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Jun 11, 2023 8:56 AM

I have a problem with debunking the space programme in general.

The whole thing is so visible. We see the astronauts getting in the rocket. We see them come back we have incredible images “from space” of other galaxies.

The 1969 moon landing, if it happened, was an incredible feat of engineering.

On this one I remain open minded but I believe, on balance, it would have been more difficult to fake than to do it for real given the tech. At the time.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jun 11, 2023 9:54 AM

I think the evidence is overwhelming for the reality of the moon landings. Everything accords with the unique conditions on the moon and it accords in ways completely unexpected of fakery, for example, photos show minute amounts of dust on the lunar lander pads which can only be seen using the magnifier tool and we see a faint radial exhaust pattern under the lunar lander. How would anyone think of that kind of fakery … and psyop fakery especially is very deliberately sloppy. Their rule is to rub it in our faces.

But we can see psyops connected to the moon landings. The prominent people saying we didn’t go, eg, Bill Kaysing and Dave McGowan. Those in power understand how we split into different inclination-to-believe profiles so to undermine those with a tendency to disbelieve (and who are mainly right at least in their disbelief of the story told) they encourage them to disbelieve events that really happen – few as they are.

They want to control all our minds – those who believe them and those who don’t so the rarity of a real improbable event – the moon landings – is a great opportunity to do just that with those who tend to disbelieve.

Thomas L Frey
Thomas L Frey
Jun 11, 2023 3:15 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Then why haven’t we gone back? I mean, it isn’t like all the tech was just lost or accidentally destroyed, right?

Buzz Aldrin is just a crazy old koote when he said we didn’t go to the moon. Then was paraded all over MSM correcting himself.

Then there is the curious issue where when astronauts that claim to be believers in God, are asked to swear on the bible they went to the moon, and then refuse or become threatening.

So you have never heard of the Van Allen Radiation Belt that surrounds the earth, and that NASA has stated themselves that we have yet to figure out how to get through it.

Never mind the fact that Operation Paperclip staffed NASA with Nazis. They learned there lesson, right?

NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
Jun 11, 2023 10:47 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

“Who knows, who can tell, and who could possibly care?” “What difference does it ma-ake?”

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jun 13, 2023 3:03 AM
Reply to  NixonScraypes

When an event occurs for which there are thousands of pieces of purported evidence there is no way that it cannot be told whether the event was real or fake – that’s the nature of reality.

The importance is that those who claim they didn’t happen undermine both themselves and others like me who recognise the astonishing achievement when they call out events which are lies.

It’s difficult enough as it is to get out the truth about their big psyops without being undermined by people calling out as a lie something that really happened.

NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
Jun 13, 2023 11:03 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I agree with you. I just put the moon caper in a different category because nobody got hurt.

arielazalexander
arielazalexander
Jun 23, 2023 3:30 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Sigh…..after your sterling efforts deconstructing Covid/9/11/JFK etcetera to stumble so egregiously (meaning 1 Concise Oxford) over the lunar or is it loony business, well, it’s a bit like my song ‘Operation Mockingbird’ which ends ‘And if you want to think that that’s absurd, and you don’t believe a single word,
then you have obviously never heard,
of Operation Mockingbird.’ (It’s on YouTube)
Have you never heard of Stanley Kubrik, and Arthur C Clarke. (not to mention Wernher von Braun) et al. There are pictures of them walking together at Lookout Mountain Studios top of Laurel Canyon, which were owned by CIA/USAF. During the filming.
They had the entire facilities of Hollywood and the US military at their disposal.
The TRUTH is, so to say, ‘earth-shattering.’ I mean, what this level of ‘reality’ IS. and so on.

Howard
Howard
Jun 13, 2023 2:42 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

FWIW, I don’t understand the reasoning that since the moon landing did not follow the standard rules of psyops, it therefore must have been real.

Even if it was faked, it served no psyops purpose. I think that the government simply backed themselves into a corner by declaring to the whole world that we would put a man on the moon by the end of the decade. It would have been a simple case of saving face.

If it wasn’t a real psyop it wasn’t bound by traditional rules for psyops.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jun 13, 2023 2:59 AM
Reply to  Howard

Sure, Howard, the fact that they didn’t follow standard psyop rules doesn’t mean the moon landings happened, this is true but the fact that those claiming that the moon landings were fake don’t even seem to recognise that they don’t follow psyop MO is interesting – they should at least recognise it.

The evidence clearly says they happened though and the vast majority of all seeming anomalies have been explained. The jigsaw pieces for “real” overwhelm any of those which may seem to favour “fake”.

arielazalexander
arielazalexander
Jun 23, 2023 3:36 PM
Reply to  Howard

Whaddya mean? They were competing with the Russians. Psyops for a larger audience.
Did you see the film of the Manchester Arena ‘bombing?’ Man with backpack squats on floor near entrance, lets off thunderflash, everybody lies down on floor. It’s not a very big bang. Train kept a rolling, and has been rolling ever since with grieving relatives, investigations etc.

Bored now
Bored now
Jun 11, 2023 10:56 AM

I certainly agree that huge achievements were made during the era of space travel. However I don’t think humans made it to the moon. That shouldn’t detract from the achievements that were made during that era.

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
Jun 11, 2023 11:00 AM

The 1969 moon landing did not happen. There are a very large number of reasons why it was impossible. The anomalies in the photographic record alone demolish the story.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jun 11, 2023 12:32 PM

Name one.

Thomas L Frey
Thomas L Frey
Jun 11, 2023 3:19 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Anyone with half a brain can find evidence that the moon landings were fake.

What happened to all the data and tech from the moon landings according to NASA? Why didn’t we go back to the moon, according to NASA?

Why would Buzz Aldrin say we didn’t go to the moon?

This list is long for those that have enough curiosity combined with critical thinking.

Jim Mcdonagh
Jim Mcdonagh
Jun 11, 2023 10:04 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

The Van Allen Belt was and probably still is impenetrable by humans without serious radiation burns ?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jun 12, 2023 2:36 AM
Reply to  Jim Mcdonagh

Jim, my two rules of critical thinking are:

1. Aim to prove your hypothesis wrong (this means looking at all the information that purports to refute your chosen hypothesis)

2. Confine analysis to the most tangible, irrefutable facts in the first instance

I put the VABs in “intangibles” that we cannot be sure about so don’t worry about them. However, in the Debunking of Massimo Mazzucco’s American Moon (Part 1) listed below you will find responses to four questions posed on the subject of the VABs.

What is abundantly clear is that the disbelievers have not followed Rule 1 – they haven’t looked at all the argument and information that refutes the fake hypothesis.

I highly recommend the three “Debunking of” articles for interesting information.

Moon hoax: Debunked!, Paolo Attivissimo

Debunking of Dave McGowan’s, Wagging the Moondoggie (incomplete)

Debunking of Massimo Mazzucco’s, American Moon  (Part 1)

Debunking of Massimo Mazzucco’s, American Moon (Part 2)

Apollo Hoax.net (shows links to other sites)

Debunking the Apollo Hoax

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 11, 2023 11:26 AM

The whole thing is so visible. We see the astronauts getting in the rocket. We see them come back we have incredible images “from space” of other galaxies.

We’ve seen all that and more from Hollywood too. We’ve seen Captain Kirk and Lieutenant Ripley grappling with various beasties on alien landscapes. To get from the “news” to “the movies” (and back!) requires but the change of the word “fact” to “fiction” (and back!).

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Jun 11, 2023 12:36 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I knew I was setting myself up when I wrote that !

Bear in mind, though, that “The golden voyage of Sinbad” with it’s “state of the art” stop-motion photography was released 4 years after the alleged landing

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jun 11, 2023 1:34 PM

Seriously, anyone who thinks the moon landings were a psyop simply hasn’t a clue about psyops. There is absolutely nothing psyoppy about the moon landings … unless they decided to go rogue on the MO they’ve been using since at least the Great Fire of London 1666.

On the other hand, there is EVERYTHING psyoppy about Bill Kaysing the first person to say we didn’t go the moon. What a chortle they had with that guy. Told us he was Head of Technical Publications at Rocketdyne, the company that made the rockets to go to the moon, but had him speak in a completely untechnical manner and say things that are easily debunked. They also told us he had a nephew, Dietrich von Schmausen, who is an alien scientist – there’s video of him speaking with a ludicrous fake German accent. Gee they had fun with that guy.

Bored now
Bored now
Jun 11, 2023 3:06 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Have you seen the film “American Moon”? I think those Italian photographers make a compelling case that at least the photos and video of the landings were faked. Obviously that doesn’t prove the landings themselves never happened but then there’s the phone call the astronauts supposedly had with Nixon whilst they were in space. There was no delay in the audio transmissions. That’s not possible. I think that today we can say without any controversy that the psy-op (video, audio, photographic) part of the moon landings were obviously faked. Whilst that doesn’t prove the moon landings never happened it goes a long way to disproving they did.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jun 12, 2023 2:39 AM
Reply to  Bored now

I’ve seen the film and I’ve also read the debunkings of that film.
Debunking of Massimo Mazzucco’s, American Moon  (Part 1)
Debunking of Massimo Mazzucco’s, American Moon (Part 2)

What is your response to those if you read them?

Thomas L Frey
Thomas L Frey
Jun 11, 2023 3:17 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Right, because aluminum foil is the perfect protection against space.

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 11, 2023 3:20 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Sounds like Bill Kaysing was a straw man to discredit the moon-landing-as-hoax theory.

Thomas L Frey
Thomas L Frey
Jun 11, 2023 7:59 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Just ask NASA to produce all the data tapes, recordings, and technical data for the moon landings and then prove that person is wrong.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jun 12, 2023 12:00 PM
Reply to  Thomas L Frey
Thomas L Frey
Thomas L Frey
Jun 12, 2023 8:42 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

These NASA Scientists saying the same on video.

NASA Admits They Can’t Send Humans Through The Van Allen Radiation Belts


Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jun 12, 2023 11:51 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Not quite, George. They pushed out Billy to encourage the disbelievers to disbelieve the moon landings so that when they called out the real lies (the so very many of them) they would be laughed at boy-who-cried-wolf style. And they always like to control our minds, the believers and disbelievers alike so when a rare improbable REAL event happens they want to get in there persuading the disbelievers that it’s fake.

If we really didn’t go to the moon surely Bill would have said ONE thing that supported the fake hypothesis and surely Dave McGowan would have too. But no, there is not one thing that either of them says that debunks the reality of the moon landings. If you have it let me know what it is.

Bored now
Bored now
Jun 11, 2023 10:53 AM

Whilst I don’t believe it was, or still is, for humans to possible to pass through the Van Allen belt, I do believe astronauts flew into low earth orbit and circled the earth. I think there’s enough evidence to state that as fact.

Thomas L Frey
Thomas L Frey
Jun 11, 2023 3:17 PM
Reply to  Bored now

Low Earth Orbit only. Same as the Space Station.

zenpriest
zenpriest
Jun 13, 2023 10:50 PM
Reply to  Bored now

Their spinning ball and space nonsense only makes sense if there is a barrier separating the earth and its (spinning) atmosphere – and the vacuum of space. To claim to be able to get through a barrier capable of doing that, is laughable.