Mr Blue & the CIA
Edward Curtin
“This is slavery, not to speak one’s thoughts.”
Euripides, The Phoenician Women
Some time ago on a Sunday evening when my wife and I had just sat down to dinner, our phone rang. Since I didn’t recognize the phone number and it was dinnertime, I hesitated to answer it, but for some chance reason I did. The voice on the other end was agitated, intense, and asked for me.
Could he visit immediately because he had urgent news for me? he asked. He told me his name, one I was not familiar with, and said he was a big fan of my book, Seeking Truth in A Country of Lies—that he had read it numerous times. He wondered how I knew so much about the workings of what we might call the deep state, the power elite, the intelligence/moneyed class connections, the assassinations of JFK, RFK, et al. He had also read a newspaper Op Ed I had written about Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. and wished to talk to me about that as well. He said he had a very important story to tell me.
The urgency in his voice was palpable.
Naturally I was wary, so I put him off for a few days. But New England is a relatively small area, the home to so many of the country’s ultra-wealthy families and the traditional Blue Blood ruling power structure, and the little bit he had told me about himself intrigued me. So a few days later I travelled to meet him where he lived, not wanting to open myself to an unknown visitor to my home.
On the way I realized that his last name did ring a bell and it was one connected to important U.S. history of the 1960s. For reasons of privacy, I will not disclose his name.
Call him Mr. Blue.
This is out of the blue,
In the wink of an eye.
No conspiracy that I know of,
Though something on that order
Is not impossible. Between me
And you I would say it flows.
No sense in telling them
What we are up to, or why.
We don’t know ourselves, do we?
Who cares, the knowing is overrated.
What is this, school we are still in,
0r haven’t we graduated to the world
Of living? Out of the blue,
In the wink of an eye,
Long before we know it,
But not after, never after.
We arranged to meet in a café, but when we did, he asked to converse away from the cafe on a bench in the open air instead. The first thing he said to me was that he was not CIA. I took that in two ways: he was and he wasn’t. But I said little and listened to his story, even while questioning myself for agreeing to meet a stranger after such a bizarre phone call. I was glad not to be sitting over cups of coffee.
He began by telling me about his Blue Blood family heritage, how his family was connected to all the prominent wealthy families whose names are very familiar to many people: the Forbes, Morgans, Choates, Rockefellers, et.al., an index of The Social Register of old money and high society well-connected to all the levers of political and economic power. Primarily based in the northeastern United States, their tentacles stretch around the world because of their power and influence. They attend Yale, Harvard, Princeton and the elite New England prep schools. They have long held important positions in the media, government, and Wall Street. In short, his family was part of what C. Wright Mills termed “the power elite,” and as he made clear, he and the children of these families were brought up to assume they were born to make the major decisions for the country. To rule.
But Mr. Blue said he always felt like an outsider even while being an insider in this family nexus. He seemed burdened with guilt for something, and as he told a long story I became a bit impatient waiting for the crux of the pressing news he wanted to convey to me. But I listened silently.
He told me about some of what he has done over the decades, which was good work trying to repair the damage caused by major corporations. It seemed to me he did this as a way of atoning for his family’s sins. I would interrupt him from time to time to ask a point of clarification about some connection between the people he mentioned and their links to US government agencies or the well-known media people connected to his family. He was very forthright in his answers. I grew to trust him the more he talked.
After about an hour, I asked him to please tell me the urgent news he had phoned about.
It concerned the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy in 1968. He said he told RFK, Jr. decades ago that the CIA killed his father. This, he said, he learned two days after the assassination from a relative who was a CIA officer. This relative said to him in person, “We knew.” When I asked him what that meant, he told me it meant that the CIA had killed Senator Kennedy. Then he traced this relative’s connections through the military-intelligence-industrial-political-wealth complex and how it all wound through his family’s history and the prominent families he was connected to. He named many names, including the CIA relative.
I wasn’t surprised by all the interconnections, for they confirmed what I already knew about the upper echelons of power and money. But this was the first time that an insider told me personally, and I kept marveling at their extent and how the names were connected to key events in U.S. history, particularly those involving the intelligence agencies.
We were sitting in a town deeply steeped in the famous names and historic mansions of the old money elites, and as he talked, I kept drawing on my knowledge of these people, which was not just academic but based of personal experience. We were sitting in the heart of the place where these traditional ruling elites congregated and socialized.
In another similar New England town years before, I had heard endless stories told to me by the famous theologian Reinhold Niebuhr’s widow, Ursula Niebuhr, who was a big name dropper, and liked to point up all the Niebuhrs’ elite connections. (Niebuhr was the most famous U.S. theologian of the 20th century; his photo appeared on the cover of Time magazine; he influenced politicians of many stripes; was quoted approvingly and often by Barack Obama and even John McCain; in short, he was the establishment’s God-man during the Cold War and a theological underpinning for the neoliberal warfare state). She would regularly note how so-and so, her friend and local resident (usually these people had their massive summer homes in addition to city residences) – e.g. Adolph Berle, an intelligence officer in WWI, a member of FDR’s original Brain Trust, Ambassador, Columbia law professor, power broker involved in above and below board foreign intrigue, Cold Warrior – did this and that, etc.
For some reason she shared with me much of her inside knowledge of her elite “friends” as if I shared her values, which I didn’t. It must have been my theological background. And I guess playing dumb helped. But I listened—and learned in doing so—that people will tell you many things you may or may not want to hear if they think you are receptive. Her stories about some of the most famous people of the 20th century – Einstein, T.S. Eliot, her Princeton associates, et al., always referred to by their first names – told me much about the workings of the power elites. Sometimes the stories were weirdly funny if not revealing of something else.
At lunch with her son Christopher one day, she told me about her “friend” (all the famous people were “friends”) the famous German-American psychoanalyst Erik Erikson. She said he encouraged her husband Reinhold to stop smoking cigarettes by turning to Danish cigarillos. She quoted him as saying: “Remember what Freud said, Reinhold: ‘It’s been a long time since I had something hot and wet between my lips.’” I was taken aback by this seventy-five year-old woman saying this, knowing as I did that Freud smoked cigars his whole life.
But it was typical of a type of double entendre that she often gave about her elite associates that opened my eyes to the inner workings of a social class I was not familiar with. I took note of all of it and drew connections between various organizations these elites were involved with, many of which at first blush one would not think were involved in their power operations, such as conservation and nature groups, organizations allegedly formed to fight corporate misdeeds, etc. For decades after, I have come to see more connections than seemed possible, and many in a small geographic area but all connected to the upper class elites and their control of land, resources, and media outlets.
Mr. Blue confirmed all this and more. He told me about the Cold War bomb shelters under the mansions of his and other wealthy families, the connections between the CIA and corporations, how those seen as the “good guys” were really working for the bad guys, that CIA and Mossad operatives would contact him under the assumption he was on their side, the seamless socializing between all the elite families with so many names and places connected to operations of “deep state” operators – the stuff I have been researching for years and the subject of much of my recent book. Mr. Blue corroborated for me the essence of what I had discovered through my own work. And as I told him, I did it by studying, researching, and listening, something anyone could do if so inclined.
Weeks after our first meeting, Mr. Blue agreed to meet again, this time together with me and a documentary filmmaker. He told all the same stories, elaborating on many of them and adding others. He was loose and easy and we talked for nearly five hours. At one point, when I asked him to repeat what he had told me weeks before about his CIA relative and what that relative meant by the phrase “We knew” about the RFK assassination, and Mr. Blue had then told me that he meant that the CIA had killed Kennedy, he jumped to say, “I never said that.”
This denial startled me. But he had said it. After our initial conversation, I had written his exact words in my notes on my drive home. And he had also said that he told RFK Jr. that the CIA killed his father. This was the only time during our long conversation that he grew very agitated.
This was obviously the one revelation that scared him among all the other stories he shared. I understand his fear. But time is relentless; we run out of it. There comes that day when it is too late to find your public tongue. It is why he remains Mr. Blue, an anonymous good man caught in a family history for which he has tried to atone. An outsider on the inside still, calling to be heard by another person, in the wink of an eye, out of the blue.
Perhaps someday he will tell the world.
Edward Curtin is an independent writer whose work has appeared widely over many years. His website is edwardcurtin.com and his new book is Seeking Truth in a Country of Lies.
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Chappaquiddick sabotage. Covert op + psyops.
You notice how media never mentions, no how, no way, Ted Kennedy’s near fatal small plane crash, killing pilot, & an aide, Birch Bayh had to pull Teddy from the wreckage, consigning him to a lifetime of back pain woes, like his slain President/brother.
Only 6 months after that brother was shot in Dallas?
There has been a total silence about it in the press for 60 years!
Things like that in Media are de facto proof of covert ops, by the very omission of them from our history. Near blackouts. Sometimes almost total.
To discuss it at all would be to shine a light on Chappaquiddick, as well as the June ’64 plane crash itself, by suspicion: as covert ops and assassination attempts, such as they applied later to two senators. (Minnesota and Missouri 20+ years ago, Wellstone & Carnahan ).
As far as forensic historicity, you can prove so many of these things now by simple dint of their sheer omission in media.
Like that total exclusion of any mention of foul Play in the deaths of Robin Williams and Kobe Bryant. The subject never even came up!?
~~~
“Then there is the curious incident of the dog in the night-time.
What incident? The dog did nothing in the night-time.
That is the curious incident.”
~ Sherlock Holmes, “The Case of Silver Blaze”
£4£&$4$~~~
Banksters
The North Eastern elites and the like are merely bankster puppets. Likewise the CIA and the M agency. The Kennedy family curse has it’s origin in the opposition of it’s patriarch Joe sr to the bankster’s WW2.JFK ‘s opposition to the Israeli nuclear weapons project did not help. This curse has consumed four Kennedy’s to date. It also drove the Chappaquiddick psyop that terminated Ted Kennedy’s presidential prospects.
Chappaquiddick sabotage. Covert op + psyops.
You notice how media never mentions, no how, no way, Ted Kennedy’s near fatal small plane crash, killing pilot, Birch Bath had to pull Teddy from the wreckage, consigning him to a lifetime of back pain woe.
Only 6 months after his brother was shot in Dallas.
There been a total silence about it in the press for 60 years.
Things like that in Media are de facto proof of covert ops, by the very omission of them from our history. Near blackouts. Sometimes almost total.
To discuss it at all would be to shine a light on Chappaquiddick as well as the June ’64 plane crash: as covert ops and assassination attempts, such as they did later to two senators. (Minnesota and Missouri 20+ years ago)
As far as forensic historicity, you can prove so many of these things now by their sheer omission in media.
Like that total exclusion of any mention of foul Play in the deaths of Robin Williams and Kobe Bryant. The subject never even came up!?
~~~
“Then there is the curious incident of the dog in the night-time.
What incident? The dog did nothing in the night-time.
That is the curious incident.”
~ Sherlock Holmes, “The Case of Silver Blaze”
£4£&$4$~~~
This whole essay, despite doubtless the best intentions, comes off at a certain (or Curtin) level as a deeply surreal psyop, origins unclear or unknown perhaps.
But only when merged with the comments below. [Select ones.]
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” The CIA kills people ”
In other news scientists have discovered that the sky is blue and the ocean is wet.
Why does the CIA contact Mr Blue asuming he shares their values? By the sound of it, it would have bee quite easy to detect that he did not.
Insiders
The alphabet agencies must be desperate to keep the fakery going, now that the curtain (excuse the pun) has been pulled back on the news media and political class, to reveal nothing but racketeering, fraud, fakery and hoaxes, repeated ad nauseam.
The government, so-called “deep state” and the alphabet agencies are like the Wizard of Oz: Putting on a show for the masses, using elaborate hoaxes to expand their powers and control.
Why? Because trauma based mind control works, even using staged assassinations, CGI and prosthetic gore.
Staging a pandemic worked with the fraud of COVID. They (governments in collusion with the news media) had nothing except loops of staged scenes and a script… Crisis actors lining up outside a hospital… Empty refrigerator trucks.
A fear based campaign using a CGI (in silico) virus. Phrases were repeated until almost everyone was a true believer. Why? Because our subconscious can’t discriminate between real and fake, it only absorbs and retains repetition.
The hero/villain narratives are as fake as these assassinations. The killing of the king ceremony was just a device to keep the majority scared and obeying all the frauds in government, including the courts, police and alphabet agencies. But all government workers including teachers are working for private corporations masquerading as public institutions.
The movie Oppenheimer was put on to renew interest and promote the fraud of nuclear war, because a small minority are starting to figure out the truth: That the world that’s been presented to us is based on a tissue of lies.
“There’s nothing to fear except fear itself.” Probably the only truthful thing FDR ever said.
“Behind the Curtin” is the name of Mr. Curtin’s website. Are you getting cheeky?
No. I was unaware. But if the Masonic shoe fits…
OWsome, ouch, & over & owt
Grear to read your thoughts, you frame it all soo well. In agreement with everything you’ve written.Fairplay to you.
Does it come in size 33 ?
They all swear only 3.
Big shoes to fill.
By acclamation, only!
Exactly. Whenever I read these articles or stories and they contain so many Masonic references I have to laugh.
If one didn’t know, one would assume everything in the world is for real, instead of symbolic.
Watch Kronkite announce the alleged death of Kennedy. He makes three references to three numbers, two of them time, When added together equal 3, and the other number references 36, which when added is 9, or 3 x 3 / 33. He also uses three Masonic gestures in the “announcement”. Twice he puts his hands up to his glasses using the 666 = 18 = 9 = 3 x 3 / 33.
And once he looks up to the sky, tilting his head. If I hadn’t studied the gestures, hand signals and Gematria I’d have no idea he’s reading a carefully worded script and LYING. Also, the fake cry is too much. Bad acting.
These events in the news cycle aren’t real. They’re just re-enactments of ancient ceremonies referencing astrotheology. And of course, nobody dies. It’s so much easier to rehearse, stage, film, then edit an “assassination” than it is to hit a moving target. And if the cryptocracy were to really kill off their main characters, then nobody would ever want to play! I mean… Camelot? So lame and so transparent.
Christ!
Nicely made arguments, I see your points, I hadn’t studied all the Cronkite material but perhaps I shall now. It seems too punctilious at first glance but you learn a lot from these things and there are scholars and mavens at YouTube videos who will walk you through a lot of this. A fave of mine I saw 10 or more years ago with a guy and gal and their refreshing hipster voice over of some of the black and white footage such as
DOD homicide chief Captain Will John Fritz backing in the Dallas PD getaway vehicle from the jail and when Ruby lunges out to shoot he doesn’t even turn to look at him for quite a while if you’re measuring it in adrenaline. Then more bad acting with his really self-conscious gesture as he turns. I don’t know but if somebody’s shooting a gun next to me I’m going to pay more attention to that than the car bumper.
That dynamic duo who narrated these things then crack up with classic spit take laughter when they show the commercial that immediately follows the first bulletins about JFK, for coffee I think Maxwell House it shows a swinging pendulum clock, tick tick, with gold weight orb, right out of stage magic props for a hypnotist, and the two narrators are breaking up hysterically while they share that view with us. You can’t make it up, surreal.
Tesla seems to have been pretty clearly murdered in room 3327 of Hotel New Yorker 1.6.43 and there’s been a buzz for decades that the suspected perps were visitors to his room that night before they found poor wizened Nicky: Reinhard Gehlen and Otto Skorzeny.
Well Tesla was a big admirer of different numbers, not just those in the Masonic hit parade. Of course, 27 is the cube of three so another 333 as 3x3x3. But my guess is that his room was assigned to him there, after he was kicked out of the Waldorf with an astronomic unpaid tab, pending his long time virtual house arrest, as I see the clues, (wireless) and his eventual murder.
If you go to my old man’s law firm website ecjlaw com BH 90210 (or at the corner of Rodeo Drive and Wilshire) check out their main phone number, in service 50 l+ years after he came home elatedly, a bit manic, one evening in 68 or 9 to the dinner table and boasted that he had finally got the perfect number from the phone company, “even better than the one I asked for”. I asked him to explain his reasoning and he would never do things like that but was all the same beaming, all through dinner.
He had waited over 2 years to get a number like that, I remember his impatient references during the long wait.
Just googoo “ERVIN, COHEN, AND JESSUP MAIN PHONE NUMBER” and that highlights it. For that cult of Beverly Hills lawyers. I don’t know that much about these things but it seems like a safe bet that they, all partners at least, have Freemasonry on their resumés.
Perhaps in invisible ink. He always referred to it as The Firm, just like John Grisham always does!
All that seems revealing enough to me, as it is. Down Wilshire from his firm to the east was the Ambassador where RFK was shot and two miles to the west, in Westwood, is Occidental Petroleum owned by his 33° client Armand Hammer. With the Hammer Museum on its ground floor.
As “grace” would have it I went some months ago on a slow Sunday night mostly out of untreatable boredom to see a film and paid the price of entry for the filmic dog called “The Kingsman” about a year ago. It has its moments but I’m a Michael Caine fanboy ever since IPCRESS Files in 1966 which I saw alone as a pimply 13yo on a Saturday. (He isn’t ashamed of a quick buck to have built houses for his mom and Co.)
But if you read between the lines of the screenplay you see that it’s all about this, all about Masonic infestation in recent history across the globe. The clues abound throughout. (Some are stagey, but I began to get the point.)
If you already have something of a scorecard written all in threes or their combinations, as you do, you’ll quickly catch it.
I try to insert in my Masonic-themed screeds, early and often, as possible, that WWW = 333. When turned to the right.
That trifecta of W’s, the only letter with 3 syllables, was originated at CERN by Sir Timothy Berners-Lee.
Then the late Queen dubbed him a KBE.
Get this, I went to the Bar Mitzvah of a classmate 60 years ago, almost (I I think it was a few months after the JFK hit) as we were both at Buckley School in Sherman oaks then. The next year we both transferred to Harvard School though I don’t recall having any interaction with him after that, we didn’t have the same classes, though a very small school.
At the dawn of Coronapalooza ™ I got a visit at my page on classmates.com from this old school chum. It struck me as so odd and irregular that I waited 30 months to respond. I then found out in several email exchanges between us that he has been living in the UK almost since we last walked the same Halls at Harvard School, or about 5 years later when he graduated from Yale? So it turns out he tells me he’s lived in London and worked for the British Red Cross most of his life since then, with a wife and kids and so forth.
Well with only that to go on and our private alumni references I did a search and in a NYC minute I found that he had recently been dubbed by the same late great Queen as an OBE.
Holy good night you look at that list and there are a lot of great people who have languished in the Crown’s estimation till quite late in life. I recently saw in the stats for a favorite clown, Sir Norman Wisdom, that he wasn’t an OBE till 80, despite a huge following. (Others of course like Alec Guinness were quite young, and even young as KBE.)
But I was entertained to my depths by such an odd sequence, that he had waited 60 years after his bar mitzvah to reach out. And all the rest.
Why the half century wait? Well I didn’t ask and he didn’t say. He asked me about my time in Paris since we had had the same French teacher at Harvard, which I flunked twice and it would she excelled though we didn’t go into that. I speak it now, mostly out of revenge.
There were more such oddities although pleasant in nature in our several exchanges and then I suddenly stopped a year ago writing him, no more until I get a little bit more background information. It gave me the willies. I am not sure I’ve seen such an odd timeline anywhere else in my life. A 60 year gap? The anything I can think that connects it all was that I had begun bloviating at this website and other ones centered in England around the start of Coronapalooza, when I went off! Thousands of pages of squirrely screed, 😆!
But I suspect at the end of the day that all this has some shape or form of Freemasonry at the bottom of it.
My father was always very meticulous in the years I lived with him as a student at his manse, to never mention anything at all about Freemasonry, although a couple of clues dropped out despite his vigilance that have actually let me connect almost all the key dots, or so many.
Well, I am sure I have missed quite a lot of other big dots, sure, but what few he left speak volumes, in trilogy unlimited editions.
Fritz wàs DPD surely, not DOD. (It is cumbersome in “pending” when it has no “edit” function.)
Wow. Those numbers are certainly full of 3s. And the 9 at the beginning. No wonder he was excited. The number 8 is an infinity symbol. And contains two threes, if split in half.
Your former classmate was reading your comments here… The Red Cross of course, is a faux charity Org, part of the Knights of Malta and Templar’s. Of which, Mandela and many others etc., belong.
There’s a documentary I watched recently called Cult of the Medics. It misdirects often and purposefully, but reveals enough background info to be somewhat worthwhile.
You know who else calls the firm, “the firm”? The royal family. If you read this link you’ll see why. You’ll see the connections.
Of course there’s multiple secret societies and religions all working towards the same aims, for the same cabal. Not just Freemasonry. But they’re all centrally controlled. In Greek orgs, in colleges across the US they refer to the political system as “the machine”.
I suspect most of it (the world, countries, banking, trade, the internet and some hidden technology etc.,) runs on AI out of CERN. There’s no particle colliding going on there, that’s for damn sure.
Oops, “Behind the CurtAin” but it’s still cute, either way.
Why are you still insist on inferening the American Webster Alphabet when We know our own Histories.. and the US is its Picture Identification County State Federation Reserve?
these CIA disinfo bots are really not worth the money that’s been spent on them.
I don’t like what you write Mr. Researcher. Not any of it. Not at all. And not just what you’ve written here, but elsewhere on OffG that I’ve seen your comments. There’s a certain uncompromising nihilism that I suppose those whose “unconscious can’t discriminate between real and fake” find seductive. A sort of maximalist ambiguity that tinges your outrageously false and offensive statements.
You open with the sneering suggestion that this article “must” be a “desperate attempt” at a CIA/NSA et al psyop, perpetrated on poor Mr. Curtin, who is clearly a far less experienced and worldly “researcher” than yourself, and encouraging the hopefuls with a hint that their billion-dollar nemesis might also be desperate.
Tell us: just how were the assassinations of the Kennedys “faked”? Because it’s clear you’re not talking about only the killers being fake but the assassinations themselves! Well, are they dead or are they not? Regardless of whether or not they were shot by “lone assassins”, CIA patsies or the CIA itself, or none of the above. But are you seriously suggesting the deaths of JFK and RFK were staged using special effects (“CGI and prosthetic gore”)? What an astonishing and revolting idea! Perhaps the Kennedy brothers are at this minute quaffing Mojitos on the beach at Playa Pilar or Guantanamo.
Nuclear war a fraud? I think not. But, yes, much of the world as it’s been presented to us is based on a tissue of lies. But not all of it. There’s beauty and truth, truth and beauty, as much as you might pretend to pretend these are meaningless sentimental illusions. And if there’s one thing I’ve learned in the past three years of ugly gaslighting:
That’s Keats, by the way. You must hate him too. And all poetry. But there I go making baseless assumptions. Not like you, eh, with your carefully framed narrative based on research!
Even when you famously quote Roosevelt saying what you claim was the one true thing he ever said, you’re dead wrong. We have plenty to fear, including fear itself. The trick is not to fix on false fears and grab at illusory salvation (viz “covid” and the “vaccines”, “Climate” and “renewable energy”, sexual confusion and sexual mutilation…). Or listen to nihilistic nay-sayers like yourself.
I suppose it’s pedantic to point out that the MSM collaborates with “government” and not the other way around, as you seem to think, in another of your off-key observations, none of which are even particularly original. So-called government today takes its cues from the power elites Mr. Curtin does a reasonable job of describing. Who do you take your cues from?
Ms. Researcher.
I don’t take cues, Mr. MASON and I don’t write lies like most of the authors on alt (and ms) media; leading the masses down the garden path of dead ends, into endless debate about FAKED events, FAKE countries, FAKE political systems, FAKE leaders, FAKE laws in FAKE courts, for legal FICTIONS.
The outright fraud of these faked assassinations and nuclear weapons is obvious to any halfwit and has been exposed for years. Not by me, but by plenty of others. I’ve done my own research and I concur (in general) with the links I leave.
If you’re too intellectually lazy or too obtuse to research for yourself, don’t expect me to debate you. The absolute truth is out there for anyone to find.
Truth *is* beauty, and I deal only in truth. Two things you know nothing about.
What is your take on Slaughterhouse-Five/Schlacthof Funf? Vonnegut was pretty convincing that he saw an incinerated Dresden after resurfacing from the cooler below.
13 / 02 / ‘45 ….!
Was Vonnegut there? Highly doubtful. The alien abduction shtick is straight out of a CIA script. The book banning fracas around Slaughterhouse 5 was PR.
Parts of Dresden “appear” to have been firebombed. *If* it actually happened, authorities would have evacuated the area well beforehand. Mathis exposes some inconsistencies in this essay.
Your referencing of certain happenings as “psyops” is as fraudulent as it is truthful. Everything can be reduced to being a psyop, not just formal happenings instigated by official agencies and reported by organs of propaganda.
The term is not limited by its proximity to certain events nor by certain numerical formulations.. These assassinations, these nuclear weapons you reference could very well be real and still on some level be psyops.
Your comment is a kind of psyop, as is my reply. Were they not concocted to persuade the public toward a particular view?
Another thing I accept as truthful is your assertion that “any halfwit” would accept as obvious the fraudulent nature of assassinations and nuclear weapons.
The assassinations are HOAXES. As are the nuclear weapons.
You definitely are a halfwit as well as a liar and fraud.
Resources for those who wish to explore the HOAX assassination.
Piece of Mindful: JFK TV.
10 part series.
Miles Mathis. *Caveat (I don’t agree with any reasons given or JFK ruling from the shadows, only that the assassination never happened)
Unexpected Cosmology
CIA leaker on JFK says “IT’S ALL FAKE”
and one more resource that’s been removed and only exists on the wayback archive.
Coming from someone who just told a perfect stranger that he is “definitely a halfwit as well as a liar and fraud” in reply to an astute, though respectful comment? No, thanks.
Thank you. For some reason, Researcher decided at some point that I was a CIA operative. I’m not sure why; she didn’t make it clear.
The reference to Miles Mathis is a bit puzzling. He doesn’t seem to be a particularly credible source.
I don’t think there was any valid reason to decide that. For instance, the above commenter ‘StStephen’ was taunted with ‘the odious charge of being a Mason’ just because he expressed his dislike with Researcher’s views.
I haven’t read much of Mathis’ views, but if *these* are the fruits of those readings, I’ll gladly pass.
However, I’m broadly acquainted with the mindset: A group of people is controlling human life since centuries and millennia, and everything of importance happening is deliberately planned on the sleeping masses who live in a fake world, with fake institutions in fake nations, with fake political divisions, and fake religions, fake revolutions, etc. A make-believe that works for the benefit of a few and the enslaving of the many, and out of which there doesn’t seem to be a way. “Uncompromising nihilism” and “Maximalism” do describe this mindset.
Indeed, while there is certainly truth in much of the above, there are also nuances this mindset is not prepared to acknowledge. But most importantly, this mindset doesn’t go beyond the constatation of the fake world, and the malevolence of those who build it; there is no consideration for economic motives that must compel the actions of the planners, and, por favor, don’t bring up History as the study of the evolution of societies and institutions and the attempt to make intelligible this evolution. These planners, to this mindset, are out of History: they exert control for control’s sake, while they perfectly can afford not to. Really the works of the devil himself. When one asks why these guys do this, this mindset hasn’t a convincing answer (“for control’s sake” shouldn’t be to any reasonable person IMO, leading by the way to a dead-end in terms of understanding) because it doesn’t delve in the economy and its power to direct policy; when the economic power is acknowledged however, there is no serious shift in the discussion to the economic department; the discussion gets back to the devilish human agents as if the economy is under their control, in contradiction with the previous acknowledgment.
Also, this mindset runs out of talk when it is asked how society should be organised, when the planners are gotten rid of; or it says the answer is “anarchism”, but more as a negation of “what is” and the affirmation of “what should be” rather than out of the understanding of “what is” and its relation with “what should be”. Proof of that, when asked how exactly, in real terms, this world as it exists today can be transformed into Anarchism, criquets. This is connected to the concept of “objective morality” and the possibility of instant transformation as the sole result of the will, this mindset holds as an absolute truth, and which is opposite to the dialectical understanding of History to which I adhere. It certainly is not a frivolous discussion.
Curiously, the above reminds me of the “Triumph des Willens” and “Solo Iddio può piegare la volontà fascista”.
One realises quickly that this mindset dismisses the possibility of the economy as an impersonal power, and is more of a reaction to the present situation than anything else. Whether TPTB control the economy or whether they are controlled by it is nevertheless a valid debate, but I didn’t see any discussion on the subject to which the adherents to this mindset are part. I can be mistaken and, if I am, I’ll be glad someone direct me to one such discussion.
Sorry for the long post; I was in good mood to elaborate on this subject.😀
I was deeply intrigued by an interview with Polanski (n my hyper-extended study of RP this past year) an interview from decades ago, that he said after his wife’s savage murder and seeing the way media treated all of it, he lost all respect for all of them. He didn’t even mention government, he said that the media ran the courts.
The movie he made 3 years ago “An Officer and a Spy (“J’Accuse”)” sure has ruffled all kinds of feathers all over”NATO” (aka NAZO) in that it’s impossible to see with subtitles or in theaters or just about any which way, not on our DVD players etc etc and so forth.
Hmmmm
About “L’Affaire Dreyfus” in 1895 Paris and still a very live Intelligence issue 130 years later?
Still wondering what’s up with that quite amazing situation.
Have a hunch it reflects on everything.
Polanski’s wife was murdered by profesionals that acted on his behalf. There is plenty of evidence of this .
Crazed acid-tripping “hippies” are professionals? The same ones who killed two strangers the next night?
Serious.
Have you even read a few sentences, about the most notorious murders of that era? Facts available for 54 years?
You’re not embarrassed? Enough to post a “my bad”?
Good to learn that about you. Red flags galore.
Now Polanski’s latest effort, a dark comedy called “The Palace” just pre-premiered, and, get a load of this: Rotten Tomatoes gave it a rating of 0% (fresh).
Heeheeheehee, I thought I’d seen it all when NYT and WaPo (et al. etc) were panning Stone’s “JFK” months before it was released! Negative reviews before the premiere. Unprecedented.
But now this. His 2019 film “J’Accuse” has essentially been made impossible to view, for many reasons, yet it got a high ranking at Tomatoes, 80 or 90% whatever, fresh.
So I guess that looked a little odd & incongruous, winning awards but banning it throughout NAZO countries, so they turned up the heat and got a contingent of hacks to give it redundant numbers of thumbs down. Amazing.
Or, rather silly.
But very very intriguing? What’s it all about?
I’m surprised they didn’t give it a negative percentile, the way they’ve been handling his case. What’s next.
~33% fresh/frais, pourrée plus.
£4£&$4$+my2¢™
One hack wrote about RP’s inability to attract any major actors etc to this new film?
John Cleese, Mickey Rourke? And many others.
Italy released it, but not France.
What a phenom.
Perhaps in the future “Mr. Blue” might also dare to reveal that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny aren’t real.
No they proved they were not real, but the tooth fairy, that was real.
There are always consequences to speaking out, Mr Curtin. I don’t know if you’ve ever sacrificed a career for speaking out, but it’s not an easy decision to take.
You wouldn’t have embarked on such a career if you weren’t prepared to make many sacrifices to progress. So to just give it all up over a profound sense of injustice takes courage, it also takes financial flexibility and there may be implications for spouse and children too.
Being blackballed isn’t something which is ever rescinded. The golden rule of all ‘career avenues’ is ‘don’t bite the hand that feeds’ .
The difficulty of course is that you never know the true nature of the hand that feeds until you have been fed for a while.
When I hear the absolute lies being told to young people trying to make rational career decisions I am angry, I am frustrated and I am rebellious. Another generation drawn in by lies and then subjected to surveillance and blackmail, overt threats and covert ones.
But I too was born into a family of spooks, not at the level of Mr Blue, but certainly at the level of ‘having proven themselves’ through various acts of selfishness, betrayal, dishonesty, bullying and sometimes bare-faced lying.
My view was that my ‘first family wife’ was what I was born into, knowing of nothing else. But when I lived abroad for a year aged 17/18, I knew that this was not what I had ever signed up for, it was imposed upon me. I didn’t truly know what I did believe in, but I knew for sure that it wasn’t that.
I know what those who remained within the ‘professions/spookery dual life will do to prevent me breaking truly free. They actually believe that there is no-one who should be behaved worse toward than a family member. They will be grovelly, obsequious and falsely full of bonhomie in a professional arena, but behind the curtains of family, they can be anything they want to be. Including a liar, a scumbag, an emotional bully, a gaslighter, a sexist, a psychopath and a malevolent pseudo-owner of someone else’s entire hopes in life.
If you give up your family to whistleblow, it likely means you don’t have any trusted network you can rely on for support instead. You might have found an equally different spouse, but often you haven’t, because you’ve had to detoxify from your false mantras growing up just to become a person of integrity.
Whistleblowing usually signifies that you’re not sure you’ve got anything left to lose that you actually value. You need to know that your family will support you if you whistleblow if you are married and a parent. There may be huge financial consequences.
You need to know that the friends you thought of as friends will either support you or you no longer care what they think about you. Many would-be Covid19 whistleblowers will have come up against that reality the past 3 years.
You need to know that the career you committed to is no longer important enough to you that you can’t freely let it go.
And, quite frankly, you need to know that some alternative revenue streams will come online pretty quickly.
Just implying that whistleblowing is easy does suggest you never had very much to lose in the first place by doing it.
The more you have to lose, the more courageous an act it is.
Once the clarity of Truth is perceived, there’s no going back.
Peace be with you Rhys.
Boys Cry Girls Weep, if unaware of simple truths you haven’t travelled far in life at all, that’s his fault who are you? Rhys is more of a Man than you’ll ever be….
you’ll never be a man, you’re just a CIA disinfo bot.
Hello Mr. Jagger, while i found your comment interesting, thoughtful and, well-written, I do taken exception to your closing remark.
The value of courage is not measured in terms of opportunity cost, but in the virtue of sacrifice when confronting one’s fears.
This may resonate as a petty equivocation however, the sacrifice of a poor man is no less meaningful than that of a wealthy man.
They will be quick to remind you not to bite the hand that feeds,and how. What too many of them truly don’t understand is that they bite the hand, and that real hand of record, that feeds all, only uses them as proxy.
As stewards, middle managers, but they don’t have vision that sees that far. Only too often the human hubris, that doesn’t.
The spiel is likely to be more subtle: Think of the institution, its reputation, those who depend on it.. Reconsider the relevance of your personal upsets.
I missed that point of yours.
That’s not why you do it. Car-eering isnt monetary.
why do you do it, CIA disinfo bot?
Ever heard of aphasia?
Wise words Rhys.
It’s very difficult to be a rebel when your mortgage and family depend on you not being a rebel.
Looking around at all the madness I imagine a world 20 or 30 years on when most of the people on here (Certainly me) will be gone.
The “old guard” politicians are dying off, woke is replacing common sense, people are accepting ridiculous burdens on their private travel and freedoms and manufactured inflation is cowing people into maintaining their dwindling income at all costs.
People still believe in the illusion of election choice.
It’s easier to believe you can vote your way out of a problem than realise the system is a scam.
The moulding of the new order has been going on for a long, long time.
We really are in a transition period.
Don’t worry about the next generation. They’ve been programmed for living under the new rules.
I really don’t think it would have suited us.
There is to whistleblowing another aspect which very much mitigates the concerns and seriousness one attributes to it. That it is not any longer as effective as it was a few decades ago. Then, you had a few sources of information either official or opposition and any political scandal revealed by a whistleblower of the opposition had enormous consequences and had to be taken seriously. Then, whistleblowing could mean one’s livelihood and even life.
By contrast, in today’s age of information, daily bombarded as we are with millions of data from a muti-coloured, diversified and sometimes contradicting sources, each of which reclaiming our attention, words have come to signify very little in terms of political engagement, and our consciousness has become so divided between so many sources of information and whistleblowers that instead of prompting action our knowledge of nefarious actions by TPTB, considered from so many angles, prompts paralysis. Having thus to make extra-efforts to get one’s message produce an effect, alongside many others doing the same with their own messages, whistleblowing naturally converts into another job, with all that means in terms of the efforts to keep it; it gets absorbed by the system and trivialised. Therefore, one engages in whistleblowing as one engages in any other job. This is not a moral judgement; Capital absorbs everything on its way, and everything is commodified because commodity is the only thing under it that allows exchange.
Think-tanks and policy makers can’t be unaware of this psychological effect of this age of information and the current nonthreatening character of whistleblowing. The threat to the status-quo won’t come IMO from whistleblowing; it’ll come from the inner contradictions of the system which will become more totalitarian and violent in its attempt to force an increasingly disinterested citizenry to collaborate with the system.
Private researchers have documented many of the details of the JFK and RFK hits. Anyone who cares at all about the truth of these murders can learn the basics with a minimum of research. RFK’s landslide win in the Democrat CA primary hours before his murder was his death sentence as there was no way the deep state could stop him from the oval office other than killing him. I recall the following from my research years ago. Do your own.
Sirhan was totally mind controlled. He had total amnesia regarding the shooting. The defense pulled in a top hypnotist trying to break it and he couldn’t, commenting that it was “constructed” by top experts. He had an 8 shot .22 revolver, which he emptied from in front of Kennedy with eyes closed, but at least 10 shots were fired. None of his shots hit Kennedy. RFK was shot from behind at very close range leaving powder burns. The killer was a former Cuban Bautista hitman picked up as a freelancer by the CIA. I forgot his name. After the RFK hit he relocated to the Philippines. Sirhan’s trial was a totally rigged kangaroo court. The simple fact that he could not have killed RFK due to his location, validated by a dozen witnesses, should have acquitted him of the actual murder.
Off the top of my head, without rechecking references and sources:
For me, one of the most astonishing aspects of RFK’s assassination was that it seems as if, in stark contrast to JFK, RFK’s autopsy was not hijacked, falsified, or suppressed. JFK’s body was illegally confiscated and forcefully removed from Dallas by federal “law enforcement” agents over the vehement and appropriate protests of Texas authorities, in blatant violation of established laws mandating that the autopsy be conducted in the venue where the homicide occurred.
Thus, as you point out, LA Coroner Thomas Noguchi conducted a routine autopsy, and unequivocally concluded that the fatal wounds could not have come from Sirhan’s gun. Despite the chaos and confusion at the murder scene, multiple credible eyewitnesses agreed on the physical positions or locations of RFK and Sirhan when numerous shots rang out. Again, as you note, the wounds indicated that RFK was fatally shot from behind at close range, whereas Sirhan was well in front of RFK.
Noguchi’s report was not suppressed or contradicted, at least not at the time– and yet, woosh! Neither mass-media “investigative reporters” nor the public took notice of its implications. The cover story of Sirhan as an enraged pro-Palestinian assassin fooled almost all of the people all of the time. 🤔
Yes, it reminds me of Building 7 collapsing in its own footprint in sympathy for its already fallen big brothers. Makes sense to me.
The Joint Chief’s wanted JFK dead as much as the CIA. So a plan was hatched before the hit between LBJ, the CIA, and the Joint Chief’s to get his body under the custody of the military ASAP, as a five year old could deduce that his head wound was from a shot from his front. This would have ended the lone gunman myth and the case would then have to become a conspiracy. With Oswald dead, there was no need for a trial, but if there were conspirators on the loose, that would have opened up a huge can of worms for our deep state perps. The story of Lee Harvey Oswald is fascinating and quite complex. He certainly had connections with the mob, far right intelligence, and the military as an ex-marine who debriefed U-2 pilots in Japan after their run over the USSR. However he had no part in the JFK hit except for being an innocent patsy. The shooter from the Texas Book Depository was LBJ’s personal hitman, Mac Wallace.
For me, one of the most astonishing aspects of RFK’s assassination was that it seems as if, in stark contrast to JFK, RFK’s autopsy was not hijacked, falsified, or suppressed.
Be astonished no more, or at least not by that, but maybe by this:
Noguchi’s book “Coroner” gives details that RFK’s corpse was hijacked from Noguchii by the same feds as heisted JFK, or I also heard it on Dave Emory show Radio free America in ’87 ~ same broadcast (where I first heard that my father’s client 33° MPH, master hypnotist, was ghost hosting Sirhan at his PRS esoteric reading library in late ’67.
One night wee hours in October of 1987 I heard Emory detail how Noguchi told his nurse assistant to go to the operating Bay and collect any physical evidence that she could find, while he was contending tenaciously with the aforesaid Feds, but couldn’t stop their heist. That’s how I heard it in 87 anyway and it was then recounted how Noguchi found gunpowder residue, nitrates and so forth on the hair shavings that she brought back in a baggie and that they had made to clear the wound area. I think that’s pretty solid but the rest of what you say sounds pretty spot on, from all that I recall.
It’s quite well covered in the second part of Nolan’s “CIA Rogues” from 2013.
It also sounded like some key eyewitnesses saw a confetti like substance in the air around Sirhan’s gun which along with the footlong flame coming from his small weapon, is strongly suggestive of blanks, which makes perfect sense considering the real killer was standing behind Bobby using all the commotion as a cover for his point blank shot. And the conspirators making sure that sirhan’s gun had blanks so that the real shooter wouldn’t be caught in the crossfire. He may not have even known about that aspect but they wanted to make sure he could get away and wasn’t wounded.
The witnesses whose eyewitness testimony didn’t fit their narrative were interviewed by two LAPD as part of a so-called sus special unit senator brought in to the crime scene to discourage conflationary testimony. Needless to say almost all of the conflicting witnesses were not called to trial including Nina Rhodes Hughes who came out in 2013 from the shadows to say that she was standing next to Bobby and heard 13 shots, more than were in Sirhan’s gun. She was deposed by FBI investigators at her residence but then never called to trial. What a surprise. Also the two LAPD detectives also had a long and sullied history in South American Contra Black Ops. As perps. That is covered in CIA Rogues about mid book or so. It relates how they exerted quite a lot of pressure on some of the witnesses telling them that it couldn’t have happened the way they said yada yah.)
An interesting fact Sirhan Sirhan was a 12yo refugee from the small Greek Orthodox town of Taybeh, about a thousand souls as constant census mostly, for the last 2,000 years or so, ever since it was the last stop of Jesus of Nazareth before his last entry into Jerusalem, where he stayed to pray and fast and prepare for the final road ahead.. Called Afram back in the day, before Saladin renamed it during the Crusades, a word meaning “beautiful people.”
Well, no wonder, they had hosted the carpenter, their longtime famous neighbor. Perhaps He had helped build houses there?
John, if the bullets in Sirhan’s gun were blanks, who shot Paul Shrade, the union activist in the kitchen that night? Paul has always said that he does not believe Sirhan was the killer of Kennedy. But I believe he thought Sirhan shot him (Paul).
“Heard” 13 shots? What is that suppose to mean? Maybe what you
/she wants to say is “counted” 13 shots? Counting 13 shots in such circumstances … wow.
I heard the nearby church bell ringing everyday but once I get past counting 8-9, I usually give up counting (OK could be ’cause I know they’ll never go past 12 and I don’t give a f*** anyway)
Imagine the nerves of steel one needs to begin counting as the shots ring out and to continue until they cease.
That overlooks what Nina Rhodes-Hughes said in her deposition to FBI at her home, that the shock was so great the tally of 13 was branded on her memory. She explained that to them, but was never called to trial.
Your point seems very reasonable, but nobody ever asks the simplest of questions, “Could there have been one or more weapons fitted with silencers?” No trace of a sound in all that hubbub.
A few years after the trial the case was reopened and it turns out that LAPD could only produce half of the 4,000 photos of the crime scene.
They lost 2,000?!
Patrick Nolan covers all the forensics in one chapter of his “CIA Rogues” of 2013.
Paul Schrade (RIP) knew that Sirhan shot “at” Bobby, and for decades thought he was the killer, but in his last ten years, including Sirhan’s most recent parole hearings, he stood by Sirhan in support, publicly stating that he didn’t believe Sirhan was the killer.
He also apologized for not saying it sooner. The way I have heard some explanations of the ballistics, there were three guns being fired. I think it was on Emory’s show, or maybe Nolan’s book, I heard an account that one gun was being discharged upward (it was found out after the trial that LAPD had lost half of the 4,000 photos of the crime scene, then years later the whole Hotel was razed!?)
Also, the acoustics to me seem not very relevant, as why couldn’t one of the guns have been fitted with a silencer? Same with Dallas. I never hear that possibility much discussed.
Some of RFK’s first words after being shot were, “Is Paul OK?” Almost his last, too.
I have brought up some of the forensics with black Americans in Southern California not far from the murder side and it is a very very hard sell indeed to convince them they have been fooled as solidly as they were behind RFK and is enraged by Sirhan.
But to date the propaganda exonerating anyone but Sirhan has been so successful that even Bobby’s widow Ethel now in her mid-90s doesn’t seem to have an inkling that Sirhan is innocent. One of the last immediate victims, Paul Schrade, who passed away recently (RIP), was unclear about it for many years, and yet since 2000 he had understood for some time now that Sirhan was not really the assassin, only a “random” shooter as decoy and diversion, and had come for some years to support Sirhan at his parole hearings and apologized for not coming sooner.
There have been so many conflationary canards that many people who should get it still don’t get it. Only someone like Bobby Jr with his ear to the ground globally really gets it, within the family, and perhaps one other brother, I think Steven.
This country’s perps seem to think that fabricating all kinds of Homeland Dreyfus scandals ad nauseam will succeed in burying the truth perpetually. But it only delays things. Certainly not a good plan for all concerned, but it is known to fall all the more heavily on the perps as time goes by, however that plays out.
It’s noteworthy that RFK’s win was postponed till midnight by L.A. Mayor Sam Yorty. I started digging into Yorty’s basic facts, and beyond about five or ten years ago, and I didn’t have to dig long: I input my father’s name, MPH founder of Philosophical Research Society (the West Coast heir apparent of “Society for Psychical Research” in 1880s London, of which Sir Arther Conan Doyel and Mark Twain were both members, having been much stricken by losing a family member and looking for circuitous ways to contact them (I guess they lost patience with a faith in reconnecting in more orthodox fashion, or maybe there were other reasons) and I think both left after irreconcilable psychic differences, or whatever.
But I noticed that both groups had the same call letters for their alphabet short form, just as an anagram, and the full names are real close. My theory was that if the founder MPH had copied the name, since the two societies had a general focus that was a like as two peas in a pod, really, it would have been a little too way out for “little Iowa” that places like Long Beach in south L.A. County were called, a little too chi chi or woo woo. So he chose a rather innocuous name, which is interesting since he was probably the premier occultist, medium, clairvoyant, spooky researcher, master hypnotist (I know a biochemist researcher at USC, nearby, who told me that after one of his 90 minute lectures that she was certain that he could put the entire class “under” based on an absence of notes from her notebook at the end of class, and everyone else’s oblivious smiles, etc. etc. et al. ~ and when that was repeated the following week, she stopped attending, that was plenty to spook her out).
In any case, after a word search “Yorty, “MPH” (Hall), Sirhan, and mine own father’s name, familiar enough: John W. Ervin” I got an instant hit: the 2013 book, “CIA Rogues: the Killing of the Kennedys”)
“Aha,” I winced, “Paydirt.”
It noted, and elsewhere in those searches, I forget exactly, that Yorty had called MPH “my guru” and then last year after reading “Master of the Mysteries” I found to my astonishment, but no surprise, that Yorty had been attending his lectures, BEFORE PRS was even built in 1934.
Since 1927. It didn’t help that that narrative added that mine own patriarch had been attending his lectures since “boyhood” which would be also the same time frame, 1920s. Hall had come to California as a 19 year old in 1920, disembarking from the train I believe in Santa Monica. Within 3 weeks of joining the “People’s Church” (which I find recently ordained my ol’ as a minister at some point, in his cap bio “John Wesley Ervin” at prabook.com, one of the few places I can get info now on that) he had been named its pastor.
Well, RFK told the audience at the Ambassador that he apologized to Yorty, since they had been there to midnight. But there was absolutely no reason the count should have taken that long.
Yorty himself delayed it, then the next day seized Sirhan’s diaries and read them over the air on the radio, which I heard.
Gotta go.
Pardon my typos, was in a rush, pretend the bot can spell as well as me, the algo-knucklehead.
Clear enough to get, tho.
Thane Eugene Cesar was the alleged assassin of RFK. He was acting as a body guard that night and was right behind Kennedy, and actually up against him when the shooting started.
He had a top security clearance at one of the military plants – not Boeing, can’t remember right now in California.
He lived in California for years after the assasination and then, I believe, when health began to fail, moved back to Philipines.
Lots of info with the details on this around the web and in books.
As far as I heard it, I can’t track it all at the moment,but I remember the basics clearly, Thane Cesar was a guard at the U2 facility in Burbank, which I recall as being Lockheed, not Boeing. We lived in Sherman Oaks, and I was at at Harvard School in NoHo, so Burbank is in “the backyard,” quite close.
In the famous black and white photo by Boris Yaro, there after work at LAT as a supporter of RFK with his own camera, he snapped a photo of Bobby sprawled on the floor, and you can see a clip-on tie lying on the floor. Those are the kinds often worn by security guards or rent-a-cops. Cesar was there moonlighting in that capacity only. I haven’t been able to look at confirming reportage or other discussion of that tie evidence since I heard it on Dave Emory’s broadcast in ’87 but the way he recounted the facts was that Cesar had left the building and returned to reclaim his inculpatory tie, which allegedly Bobby had torn from his collar when shot, he wheeled around toward his assassin and grabbed his throat and the tie came off and dropped on the floor in the chaos of all that, A very provocative piece of evidence but that is by way of my oral history since I haven’t been able to find that specific factoid.
Sirhan’s car was found parked around the corner nearby and impounded, with a copy of client MPH book under the front seat “Healing: The Divine Art.” Sirhan had become a Rosicrucian, AMORC, in San Jose which is quite a ways north about 400 miles and a little South of San Francisco.
The next day on a radio broadcast Mary YORTY read aloud from sirhan’s diary and accused him of being a “communist sympathiser” based on his own apparent conflation of Rosicrucianism with Communism? (Well, he was stressed, and he may not have been our sharpest mayor in LA history, even though he later had his own radio show after all his public service of this kind.) This must have really startled any of the reporters who knew better. Get this: Yorty would land his chopper on our football field at Harvard School, 3700 Coldwater Canyon, on late Sunday night wee hours Monday morning, and then disembark and get in a black stretch limo and head out at the gate on Coldwater, apparently to his home which was nearby? I assumed it was affairs of state of some kind but what was he doing out each week at that hour? This had been going on every Sunday night in ’67 in the half year or so that I was living in the boarding company at Harvard School, which housed about a hundred students including two young Japanese the next door over, by the names of Honda and Yamaha. What I gleaned later was that they were the scions of those two corporations and I believe that’s pretty solid info. They stuck together most of the time and rarely spoke to anyone else. (A Rothschild scion was at the school in 64-5 but interestingly the only picture I cannot find in our annuals from those years. Unless I missed it somehow I’m assuming that he was excluded for personal security reasons, otherwise he may have been kidnapping bait, like the Getty scion here who was kidnapped not long after and ransomed for quite a wad.)
In any case YORTY was doing this ritual, landing on our field in his chopper in the dark early Monday mornings every week like clockwork. I returned to lodgings at home sometime, couple of months, before the assassination so I don’t know if he stopped that habit but a fascinating thing happened: my roommate would get up eagerly and suddenly at around 2 or 3am and it would wake me and everyone would get up in our Army regulation underwear I was out of bed to watch what they were watching and I finally asked about it one week what it signified, what was it all about, and my roommate a Drury Sylvester,-Craig, said something like, don’t you know, hasn’t anyone told you yet? And when I shrugged he gave me a pitying look. I pressed him for more information but he just shook his head smirking and wouldn’t answer. It seemed like everyone was in on the thing except me. Which is no surprise because I was a fish out of water my whole 5 years there I had a few friends but basically the Nazi ambiance was so strong that after my first year and a half despite doing well enough in studies I tried every which way to transfer to another school. It was too late by then though because basically I was their prisoner I in the same grade as the sun of Nixon’s chief of staff, and HRH, pere, had been an alumnus 20 years or so prior. I don’t think they wanted to let me go, probably for security reasons that were unclear to me, but because they knew I wasn’t in their camp in any way. “Keep your friends close but your enemies closer” kind of scenario.
My parents were divorced so I finally returned to my mother’s home on the Balboa Point, she had lived there already a decade, having built it on empty lot as her nest egg, about a hundred miles south of Harvard, and I went my last HS year to public school there, Newport Harbor HS. It is interesting that General Curtis LeMay, a big question mark in the assassination records and a malcontents arguing with JFK in the oval office tapes about nuking Cuba, retired there the same year 1969 around the time of the Tate murders, after consulting some years for defense contractors nearby, and the book CHAOS by O’Neill 2020 states he buddied up with Reeve Whitson, who had infiltrated the Manson cult dressed in more or less subdued hippie attire and knew Tate and POLANSKI and Jay Sebring and all of their circle rather well, from parties and Hollywood circles and so forth and he and Curtis LeMay were teaming up with Sharon Tate’s father Colonel Paul Tate, recently retired from US Army intelligence very high ranking officer, to solve the murders.
Incredible, but documented and confirmed by various sources and Bugliosi speaks of Paul Tate as being very vigilant and active in the Manson murder investigationbut not giving them any useful leads “at all” during the murder investigations. That is no doubt a lot of smoke blown up History’s nose.
It’s a quite fascinating yarn that Tom O’Neill has to tell from over a thousand interviews, in CHAOS.
The amazing thing though is that YORTY confiscated Sirhan’s diaries and I heard him over the radio, right after I got home from school in an impromptu press conference read them over the air. This was after I had come in the door flipped on the radio and heard a spoken obituary by the broadcaster of RFK who had died close to 2:00 a.m. that day. June 6, after a stalwart fight of 24 hours after the shooting.
But Yorty called my father’s client MPH “my guru” in other timesand had been attending his lectures since 1927 as is reported in the book bio Master of the Mysteries 2016 edition by Louis Sahagun!
There is also nearly a full page photo in the book of Yorty & MPH (Hall) standing shoulder to shoulder as Mayor Yorty presents him at City Hall (pardon the surreal pun) with some meritorious metal or other. They were paradoxically very tight for decades yet Yorty seemed to distance himself from Hall socially when he was out and about.
But I add all this raw dictation, pardon the typos for the sake of offering so many dots which pretty clearly connect in various ways to the various parties. Given the historical gravity of some of these facts and their tie-ins to CIA activity in covert ops, and all, I depend on your indulgence of all that.
Yes, Thane worked at Lockheed. I knew it was one of those corporations And, crazy,that he was moonlighting as “security”.
I’d heard about the tie many times from different sources. Mostly I think on the JFK Assassination Educational Forum.
Coincidentally, I just this week watched a discussion about Curtis Lemay on America’s Untold Stories with Eric Hunley and Mark Groubert. (You might know of Groubert? Screenwriter? Lives in LA)
I knew of LeMay, and stories about him being present at JFK’s autopsy in DC and so forth, but this 2 part discussion was very interesting. It gave the every day ‘human’ side to LeMay. I think it is worth a watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?=2kbe9X5Bg4w&t=6506shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K-VHqH-p-0&t=4843s
If the link does not work just search ” America’s Untold Stories” on youtube.
I take it all with a grain of salt, but the factual history is interesting.
LeMay was George Wallace’s running mate.
Then I watched an interview with Eric Hunley and Thomas O’Neill from back in 2021. I had already watched the 3 hour interview with ONeill on Rogan. Fascinating. The tentacles.
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Thane_Eugene_Cesar
Lockheed, I think.
Yes, thanks.
It’s interesting, el Gallinazo, that I have always thought that it was the landslide that was the death sentence, but actually, the assassination had to have been planned out much before the California primary. So the landslide did not really make any difference, did it? He’d have been killed even if he lost that primary. ?
Yes, that has occurred to me as well. But there is a possibility that they could have put it in place and notified Cesar to abort it if RFK had an abysmal showing in the primary.
I thought that, also. But a lot of planning and work to then cancel.
And what if he did well in succeeding primaries? I guess they’d have had to mount the assassination somewhere else?
It would seem to me that they were just going to take him out no matter what.
High octance speculation as Dr.Joseph Farrell would say.
Every US president, every single member of the Warren Commission & Zapruder were all team-33 if you havn’t worked out we are living in a neo-platonic-cave cum messianic/masonic fiefdom yet god help you.
Forgive the skepticism, but I can’t come up with any scenario in which this Mr. Blue’s out of the blue urgent need to reveal the wherewithal of the “ruling elites” to someone whose very profession implies he already pretty much knows it makes any sense.
The closest thing to something even remotely sensible is that Mr. Blue was on a lark, having a little joke at Mr. Curtin’s expense.
It’s the sort of thing that makes the Casey-style CIA happy – nobody knows what is up or down, or what to believe. It might as well be a movie script, and the only thing you can say about it is that we should take the story merely on trust.
But trust doesn’t work any more.
Only verifiable information and clear-sightedness do.
Trust has to be earned, and people can no longer be bothered to earn things, so they’ve taken to demanding them.
I agree. This is why I think Curtin’s peice is a non-story.
It is an infomercial for RFK jr.
Ed and O.G is fully lock stock, T shirt wearing church going believers that RFK will drain the swamp. 💤
I am an anarcho-libertarian of the Corbett type, but I would love to see an election between the Donald and RFK Jr., just to see the MSM presstitutes’ heads spin like Linda Blair. As the Gladiator might have asked, would we not be entertained?
Blatty, who wrote exorcist, and sequels, was a CIA SPOOK, and the movies and his other activities had an agenda. I talked to a guy a few months ago, who lives in Newport on lido, and he says he was familiar with Blatty from Georgetown parties and circles.
Why was I not surprised? It’s just another aspect of MKUltra to control (the hearts and) minds sowing division through fear and “the dark” and all some part or another of all the fell Operation Paperclip “research” that was brought over from the 3rd Reich to Langley.
Variation on a Theme of Jack’s beanstalk big Ogre:
“Fee,Fi, Fo, Fell, I smell the smell of an Intel hell.”
Maybe it’s just intended mostly as Magical Realism?
Yes, the difference between the Babylon Bee, fake news you can trust, and MSNBC, fake news you can’t trust.
I take all info about these heavily, hotly contested issues, like the near-infinitely challenged assassinations, with a real load of salt, and for their current entertainment value alone. Or almost mostly.
Which is to say, with such a slippery surface, as far as yet fixable facts, I get a more reliable map chart merely by pinning them all as flags, red or otherwise.
Forensic historicity is something that is rapidly growing as a field, since you almost need fabrications, dreams, mirror reflections, yes canards, or hallucinations, on reports of these subjects as much as what’s available, but what with the faith that the sheer profusion and multitude of red flags will, from a higher point atop the mountain (range) that accrues, or coral-reef fashion, of a preponderance of evidence, it all will lead, ultimately, to the right results. Truths, somewhere over the horizon. (Meanwhile, the interim payoff is that it’s a glorious quest and quite fathomless education in so many things, especially the methodology of deceptions by the deepening but futile state.)
The more canards they plant along our route the bigger problems they have, and mounting, incrementally, in seeing to all of it that it doesn’t show the way, however circuitously. So it’s not ever old school map making. Pre-CIA.
And not by a straight line, ever from Points A to B?
Sixty years taught me that much.
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“Be ye as clever as serpents but as gentle as doves.”
~ Jesus of Nazareth (Son of David)
I was thinking recently that even with all of the truther movements in all of the areas that affect our lives, and in spite of the enormous amount of good info that has seen the light of day with the advent of the internet, I’ll bet we still don’t know most of what goes on. I think it goes very very deep indeed. Far beyond “limited hangouts” and “controlled opposition”.
Like Ryan Christian from Last American Vagabond suggests, I question everything now. Don’t necessarily come up with answers, but it does broaden the horizon.
I’m editing my last sentence “I don’t necessarily come up with answers, but it does broaden the horizon”.
If It’s possible to ask Mr Blue a question : to what extent do the elites control the social engineering through governments and corporations?
Quite a lot, y’know, the more pertinent question is what do we do about it since we have options that they don’t know, apparently. Judging by the evidence.
Our Maker can communicate with his children on infinitely discrete channels.
The world has so moved on beyond the tired warmonger-candidates up for sale every election season, RFK, Jr. included.
Evil, Scary China Refuses To Passively Let Us Encircle It
“Unconditional support for Israel doesn’t just mean supporting apartheid abuses and frequent bombings of Gaza, it means supporting the regular bombing of Syria, the annexation of the Golan Heights, and Israel’s insane warmongering against Iran. Israel is always in a state of war.
“Unconditional support” for Israel means imperialist foreign policy throughout the middle east. This isn’t just conjecture — we already see it in RFK Jr’s other middle east foreign policy like his staunch opposition to the Iran deal.
It’s a nonsensical, self-contradictory position to claim you want to dismantle the empire out one side of your mouth and pledge “unconditional support” for a nation that’s never not at war out the other. If you’re saying both, there’s one you’re not being truthful about.”
Who’s quote was that Straight Talk?
The drones will go and pay good money to sit in a cinema and watch the most convoluted spy film or thinly disguised intrigue paralleling real events.
Afterwards, they will gush about how realistic the film was and how they were on the edge of their seat
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You may mention a doubt you have about the verity of a government story.
Then they make that snorting noise and you are a swivel-eyed conspiracy loon.
It’s a funny old world !
You get the plug in for your book in the second paragraph. That’s funny.
So what.
The Whiteheads do that with every piece.
But none of this information is new so why the urgency? Maybe its a generational thing but I thought that everyone from that era knew that the Kennedy assassinations were a little bit more involved than just lone gunmen having a bad day. The idea of a power elite — a bourgeoisie, as it used to be called — isn’t particularly earth shattering, either. What might be a bit different is that we are living in a time where due to incompetence, greed or just plain hubris the ‘ruling elite’ has let a too large slice of the population fall by the wayside. Insecurity has to be managed to provide the right level of incentivization, that is you can’t have high levels of relative poverty and insecurity, you need just enough to keep people in line but not so much that they start getting agitated and pushing for change. The social issue red meat that’s been thrown to them is just not good enough to keep people focused — bad planning!
I wonder why you’ve been downvoted. Your comment is spot on.
Getting overly greedy has always been the root cause of the downfall of every ruling elite throughout history. Nomadic and tribal systems on the other hand survived ccenturies until only a few decades ago because they had almost no hierarchy.
And that is precisely why the elite WASP&rich hegemons who colonized USA Inc annihilated Native American tribal roots almost totally (although a staunch remnant remains).
By deracinating the indigenous tribal roots so starkly, as they likewise separated black families radically at the auction block, they devastated all the populist broader (community) social networks which served as our defense against the oligarch perps. Leaving only rifle-toting clans and tiny pockets of grassroots-level resistance. Not great.
They drove a stake into the heart of “community.”
No wonder they are all the Raygun-esque wannabes who look for “commies” under every bed.
It’s not “incompetence, greed or just plain hubris”. There is a tension between two movements: on the one hand, the system itself relentlessly concentrates wealth. On the other, this very centralisation impoverishes increasingly vast swathes of the population and thereby threatens to encourage these people “start getting agitated and pushing for change”. Therefore the parasite class has to figure out ways of keeping the downtrodden masses sweet, distracted, confused etc. Unless of course they have now managed to implement such means as to disempower everyone. Which may increasingly be the case.
During the past few months the US has been increasing its military forces in Syria – in the oil and gas rich area of Syria which the US occupies…It seems the US intends to defend itself against attempts to oust it from Syrian territory by Assad’s Syrian Arab Army…
More recently the US proxy jihadi forces have aggressively increased their activities in the occupied area……
The Zerohedge site has posted an article about a stimulant drug, Captagon, ‘flooding the streets of Europe”…The drug is said to be manufactured and distributed by Assad’s Syria*…
It’s a story about a Drug, a drug made in Syria, a drug ‘flooding the streets of Europe’ and it is coincident to the US build-up – in Syria. The story’s appearance may indicate that when the fighting to end the US occupation of Syria begins, the US corporate propaganda media may frame the fighting, for the folks back home in the US, as an extension of “The US War Against Drugs”…
Europe Braces For $3 A Pill , ‘Poor Man’s Cocaine’, To Flood Streets After Gulf Crackdown:
zerohedge.com/political/europe-braces-3-pill-poor-mans-cocaine-flood-streets-after-gulf-crackdown
**It may be the same stimulant drug Ukrainian soldiers are allegedly supplied with before they go off the battle Those Russians…And Ukraine, not Syria, may be the source of the drug arriving in Europe…
That was exactly why we in US invaded Syria and bombed the country to peace.
Mass Production of Destruction Captagon, invented by Assad only to destroy a peaceful America with its innocent citizens from within.
This is not something we sit on our thumb and think, nor do we believe in it. It is something we actually know from ultra high level VIP sources! Trust. https://youtu.be/FDbG-Vt1PYs
Thanks for sharing.
I suspect that there are many, Mr & Ms Blues in the world. These people must be so conflicted by their [insider] knowledge and experiences that it must at some stage, weigh so heavily on their shoulders, that it will invariably make them ‘implode’. … of course that would depend on ‘their own’ orbital-associates not engineering their detonation, and/or … ‘implosion’.
Lies self destruct.
Truth has a Life of its own.
Truth has a Life of His own (or Her, Its?).
It took me a while to grasp that Truth is not a thing but a Person. Deep, enough.
A monastic priest pointed out in recent times at Mass one Sunday that holiness, as well, is not a quality, let alone an abstraction, it is not a “what” but a Who. In other words It doesn’t exist in the abstract, but is incarnate?
That is a “nuanced” take, for many, that doesn’t get off the(ir) “ground” but I feel it’s important, or essential, to understand, and many really don’t even begin.
As far as some are concerned, such as yours truly, our Fates would be sealed without Truth, as One, Incarnate. By definition???
But then, I’m like that.
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“The Universe is labyrinth with a Heart at its center.“
~ GKC, as expressed by his sleuth “Fr. Brown”
I see Truth as a State of know-ledge rather than an ‘it’.
That state being immutable and as clear and pure as a mountain stream.
Truth is not a person as person originally means ”a mask, a false face”.
https://www.etymonline.com/word/person
Who would you think is the truth, you and your body or someone else’s body, or maybe a corporate body?
The Trinitarian doctrine is not biblical, but it was made up by some men, their interpretations of the holy scripture. Also, the beginning of the cults of personality.
The idea that anyone personifies God here is authoritarian. Cults are always authoritarian.
That’s mostly semantics. Personhood is rooted in each unique soul at its depth. I’ve heard Alan Watts, as an example, in many lectures discuss this issue at great depth, but in the end I returned to those extra-Christic talks mostly for the great entertainment value, even as he admits to triangulate my own position, or what I really believe.
“The universe is a labyrinth with a Heart at its center.” ~ GKC
Watts liked to quote Chesterton too, also a lot, and here’s a great one I heard from him, per the Poet:
“Now a strange thing in the street is every human nod, where shift in strange democracy the million masks of God.”
So a more pointed use of masks.
All that name-dropping reveals one thing only: your ego.
Dropping the ego reveals the soul.
You’ve put your trust in man that you call a Good Guy. Seriously, not good!
That’s boorish and snide, lacking much evidence, if any. To accuse someone of name dropping excludes the other possibilities, such as that “persona” is drawing on direct evidence from a known name, also citing certain facts at first hand, which is at a real premium these days, especially with these subjects.
Given the context here it’s just a troll ad hominem to discredit and weaken the unique evidence I can offer, if not just an unsporting go at taking someone else down a notch.
I never use a known or well-known name without attaching it to important evidence or a point in some way. That’s not ego, for the most part, it’s called reporting things.
And I was connected to a lot of this in the Sixties, often at one remove but close enough to add significant or unknown evidentiary comments and factual additions.
It seems more appropriate to deal with the evidence than the irrelevant egos.
Unless that becomes an unbearable weight for certain “persons”. In that case, they can always do their worst when they can’t think of more relevant options.
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That’s boorish and snide, lacking much evidence, if any. To accuse someone of name dropping excludes the other possibilities, such as that “persona” is drawing on direct evidence from a known name, also citing certain facts at first hand, which is at a real premium these days, especially with these subjects.
Given the context here it’s a suspect as a troll ad hominem to discredit and weaken what unique evidence I can offer, if not just an unsporting go at taking someone else down a notch.
I try never to use either a known or well-known name as a “drop” unless attaching it to important evidence or a relevant point in some way. It’s called reporting things.
And I was connected to a lot of this, as a lad “fly on the wall” in the Sixties, often at one remove but close enough to add significant or unknown evidentiary comments and factual additions.
It seems more relevant to deal with the evidence or contexts reported, than any of the irrelevant egos.
Unless that becomes an unbearable weight for certain “persons” or “per~sona”. In that case, they can always do their worst, when they can’t think of more relevant options.
I love the stories and the names. Keep them coming.
I love Father Brown. Never read the books but watch the recent series on britbox. The simplicity. Not to mention the Cotswolds.
If anyone wants to know the seedy details of the world network and how it operates in the USA, then read Whitney Webbs two volume series, “Nation Under Blackmail”.
Well, your taking about US there, ‘blackmail’ actually doesn’t exist simply put lying isn’t a crime. That’s up to whomever as an Individual to sort out. Himself, it’s not We Us They or Them or even an IT.
Lying is a crime under oath, and a crime when holding a public off, when the lie is about use of taxpayer funds or causes harm in anyway to the public.
Mr. Curtin’s first link is in paragraph two which is to an Amazon book promotion, and his other link half way down is to Wikipedia. 🤔
If I were a lecturer or professor grading Mr. Curtin’s essay he’d obtain an “F”. 👎
This sort of article certainly doesn’t help to clarify the current constant blurring of the line between fiction and actuality.
Fiction is dead give away you’ve been a follower of comic books., paper back rider..lol! dollies.
Well, point made, but I find that unusefully “purist”, as long as the citations Curtin made are accurate, which they are, and that to me is a lot more the point than where he got them. I met and talked a little with Dave Emory ( spitfirelist.com ); and he was asked about Wikipedia and he allowed that it’s relatively dependable “as long as you know your subject”.
And his entire career, as the protegé of the heroic late Mae Brussel, has been at bigtime odds with CIA. I am sure that he knows that Wikipedia is extremely policed by CIA. But then what isn’t.
As far as Amazon, they are very quick to use us, but I am served enough in using right back at them, once again by certain factoids and excerpts. They offer capsules and reviews and descriptions that many other preferred sites do not.
I used to offer provocative reviews there, knowing that they would be widely seen, until they then changed their policy to filter out the renegade malcontents, and made you buy the thing in question.
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“Truth is truth, wherever it may be found.”
~ St. Thomas Aquinas
[He is to many minds the pillar of Western philosophy and was very conversant and “extractive” and admiring of great non-Catholic, ‘un-Orthodox’ thinkers, people like Moses Maimonides, a Jew, and Averroes, a Muslim. ]
“Mr. Blue”
The eponym of my favorite read of ’72, by Myles Connolly, highly recommended by my pastor, so I got the epic slim volume, and owned it like a thumbnail hagiography from, and for, a world of magical realism.
Myles Connolly, like his contemporary Charles de Gaulle, and much like his Hollywood friend and screenwriting colleague, Frank Capra, was an ardent Catholic, when all three found uncanny ways to expand the reach of their Faith.
His character Blue told the imagined character narrating his tall “Franciscan” tale, that he belonged to “The Spies of God.”
“THE SPIES OF GOD.” Curious way to put it.
That phrase intrigued me at 19, and has always stuck with me ever since. So suggestive.
[My senior namesake JWE, founder of ecjlaw com around BH 90210, was longtime attorney to the founder of Philosophical Research Society (one of a very small handful of subjects who I don’t refer by name) and who became a 3° Freemason on 11.22.54 with the proviso, as standard, that he would no longer write about Freemasonry.
It’s recounted in several books, a bit cryptically, that he was “ghost” hosting Sirhan (Sirhan doesn’t remember him, nothing new in that) at PRS in late 1967 at his renowned “esoteric reading library” (I saw a photo gallery of that library in LA Weekly not long ago, and was, understandably, startled to see “my” entire 30 volume Bollingen collection of the works of CG Jung in the stacks, they were once bought by my father who barely touched them, but I had dog-eared the black dust jackets in a very recognizable pattern in my late teens for a book-length essay, before I fled his haunts for good ~ and there they are, today, a gift from the estate of his widow, my late stepmonster, who figures in this grim fairy tale as VP there in the 1980s). PRS still abides, as ever, at 3910 Los Feliz Blvd, 50 blocks due north of the (razed) Ambassador Hotel, where Bobby was murdered in CIA, MKUltra fashion, a half year after Sirhan’s 1967 visits? (I would argue that the founder there was the most “accomplished” Master hypnotist in American history. PRS is also, en passant, located right around the corner, a couple thousand feet as “the crow” flies, maybe, from 3301 Waverly, where the Manson bunch murdered the La Biancas August 10, 1969, barely a year after RFK, quite close by. (I saw that recently in an address check, but have yet to ever see it elsewhere? I met their orphaned daughter Alicia over 50 miles away in ’72, a friend of my roommate in Newport?]
I read a few weeks ago in some far-ranging searches that a credible source recounts the CIA sponsored and/or operated no fewer than 30 assassination attempts against Charles de Gaulle. With the collaboration of French OAS aka SAS. (For my first half century I had assumed that was a fantasy out of Day of the Jackal film lore. And during those JFK years. That General, “The Asparagus,” had more lives than a kennel of cats. (So they finally staged the 1968 “color revolution” to take him down, retiring like Krushchev, after a long and very illustrious career. Later the French voted him in a national poll the greatest Frenchman since Charlemagne. Napoleon came in third. But so very unloved at Langley. Why are we not surprised!?)
So many of these important issues are very well~covered, and researched for 20 years, in the 2020 shocker [CIA Operation] “CHAOS: Charles Manson, the CIA, the Secret History of the Sixties” by Tom O’Neill [Hopefully unlimited hangout, 😱😂🙏😇]
[NB: THE ABOVE WAS AN EDITED COPY OF WHAT I POSTED DOWNTHREAD. APOLOGIES THEREFORE, IF APPLICABLE, BUT I GOT BORED RIGID AS WELL AS FIDGETY WHEN THE ORIGINAL GOT SPAT INTO PENDING, SINCE IT THEN DOESN’T EVEN ALLOW EDITING ETC.
SO, ENJOY BOTH, I WONT HOLD IT AGAINST YOU. BUT THIS IS A CORRECTED VERSION, PERHAPS THE ULTIMATE. THERE’S ALSO GOT TO BE A SIMPLER WAY! FOR THE SOFTWARE, ANYWAY.]
NEEDLESS TO SAY THIS ALSO GOT SPAT INTO PENDING. AMAZING.
Mr. Curtin, this man wasted your time. And he has no conscience.
I still believe Lee Harvey Oswald did it, and no one is ever gonna make me believe otherwise no matter what you say!
🤣🤔😱 & wow
So you are intimately familiar with MK-Ultra and MK-Naomi?
Did you ever meet Dr. West?
I never had that misfortune, thanks to God, but my father, founder of ecj law com was attorney in all those years to Colonel Stafford L. Warren, who founded the UCLA Medical Department and in 65 returned in professor emeritus status, so he was the big man on campus when West was appointed head of the Psychiatry Department….
My father had to have known him and he was also attorney to Laura Huxley who I dined with in 67, and Robert Gérard, who along with Laura taught in the Psychiatry Department at UCLA. So you’re known by The company You keep.
During the beginning of West’s tenure my father had brain surgery and afterwards post-operatively had what certainly looked to me, at 17, like episodes such as you might see out of MK ultra. What was amazing is that he returned to his law practice rather soon and was more or less fully functional in a short while. I had come to consider him a high functioning wacko by then, but I digress.
This was all going down at the time that Reeve Winston was fully involved with the Manson bunch and in the book CHAOS by O’Neill that I cite on this thread Whitson was described by most of his best friends as almost surely CIA. He claimed frantically in a dawn phone call to Sharon Tate’s photographer Hatami before the news broke early that morning 8.9.69 that he was beside himself having not been able to stop the murders because he wasn’t in time? I see that as marching orders given him that he was part in some way, who knows, of the whole operation and he had come to Cielo Drive and the murder scene to rearrange the bodies afterwards with “Charlie” which were later at odds with the description given by the mind-controlled perps.
In any case it’s worth noting that I was seated next to Dr Robert Gerard in 1964 thereabouts and he told me a great story, a foot or so from my left ear at dinner how he had deftly escaped the Gestapo when he was courier for some very important papers for the French Resistance. It is hard to get copy on him as far as his life facts but I found an obituary I dug up at a funeral website the other day that noted he had been appointed a member of Eisenhower’s psychological warfare team?
Oy. The plot thickens around my ears.
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NB Get this: Laura Huxley was a long time fixture at UCLA Psychiatry and I recently did a search for copies of her book You Are Not The Target. I found one edition from long ago that I recognized but had never connected to other things back then of course.
It was only after I had studied the attractive face in extreme close-up on the cover that I realized it was Sharon Tate.
I’m not shocked too much anymore, but that jerked my chain. [Her widower turned 90 in Paris Friday: the resilient Roman Polanski. Surviving her by 54 years. He or has put a B in the Langley bonnet with his 2019 film “An Officer And a Spy.”
“aka, à la ZOLA: “J’Accuse“
I posted an edited copy also, since this has some typos. Chapter 6 of CHAOS is “Who Is Reeve Whitson” but the bot put “Winston” and other such gaffes. So my other copy is the director’s cut. Accept no substitutes!
Based on the fabulous historical novel, fixed in 1890s Paris by Robert Harris “An Officer and a Spy.” One of the most savvy and elegant historical novels I’ve ever read, and having been a young student & courier for Newsweek in Paris 50 years ago, at 25 rue de Berri, a stone’s throw from the tricolor-flagged Arch of Triumph, I was delighted to recognize his very deep knowledge of the locale, since I could still recognize almost all the many streets and place names. Just fabulous detail & depth in it, across the board.
A real blast from the past. What a great book. And an uncannily important one.
And Harris notes in the forward that it was suggested as a theme by the now-nonagenarian Polanski as sort of sequel to A Tale of Two Cities (Paris &:Berlin) a dozen years ago, and later they co-wrote the screenplay. A truly great film, showered with awards in France & Italy…
…and effectively ditched by NATO countries elsewhere?
Well since the identity of the real spy behind the Dreyfus affair is ultimately German, it may have come off as teutonophobic to NAZO, oops, NATO countries. It’s not really, it just sets the record straight, and it still needs it badly 130 years later!
Intéressant, non?
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Dr.” Louis Jolyon West. AKA, “Jolly” West. CIA chief Dr. Sidney Gottlieb’s key co-perp and disciple in crime in all things MKUltra. Names that will surely “live in infamy.”
No, I never had that misfortune, thanks to God, but my father, founder of ecj law com, was attorney in all those years to Colonel Stafford L. Warren, a famous figure (Manhattan Project etc) who founded the UCLA Medical Department and in ’65 returned in professor emeritus status, and was the big man on campus then when West was appointed head of the Psychiatry Department…. So.
My father had to have known him and he was also attorney to Laura Huxley who I dined with in ’67, and Robert Gérard, who along with Laura taught in the Psychiatry Department at UCLA for decades. So you’re known by The company You keep.
During the beginning of Jolly West’s tenure my father had brain surgery and afterwards post-operatively had what certainly looked to me, at 17, like episodes such as you might see out of MK Ultra. (Or in Jack Ruby’s cell when West treated him in 64.) What was amazing is that he (JWE) returned to his law practice rather soon and was more or less fully functional in a short while. I had come to consider him a very high functioning wacko by then, but I digress. (I only learned these historical details from books etc in the last 5 years or 10, so these things resurface as dots to connect, and they sure do a lot of that, now.)
This was all going down at the time that Reeve Whitson was fully involved with the Manson bunch and as told in the 2020 book CHAOS by O’Neill that I cite on this thread. Reeve Whitson was towels with Otto Skorzeny and Curtis LeMay, and described by most of his best friends as almost surely CIA.
He claimed frantically in a dawn phone call to Sharon Tate’s photographer Hatami, before the news broke, and early that morning 8.9.69 that he was beside himself having not been able to stop the murders because he wasn’t in time?
I see that quite probably as marching orders given him as a cover, that he was part in some way, who knows, of the whole operation and he had come to Cielo Drive and the murder scene to rearrange the bodies, afterwards with “Charlie” since the details of the crime scene were later at odds with the description given at trial etc. by the mind-controlled perps.
In any case it’s worth noting that I was seated at dinner at our home next to Dr Robert Gerard in 1964 thereabouts and he told me a great war story, a foot or so from my left ear at dinner, how he had deftly escaped the Gestapo when he was courier for some very important papers for the French Resistance.
Riveting. It is hard to get enough copy on him as far as his life facts but I found an obituary I dug up at a funeral website the other day that noted he had been appointed a member of Eisenhower’s Psychological Warfare team?
Oy. The plot thickens, all around my ears.
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NB Get this: Laura Huxley was a long time fixture at UCLA Psychiatry and I recently did a search for copies of her book “You Are Not The Target”. I found one edition from long ago that I recognized but had never connected to other things back then, of course.
It was only after I had studied the attractive face in extreme close-up on the cover that I realized it was Sharon Tate.
I’m not shocked too much anymore, but that jerked my chain. [Her widower turned 90 in Paris Friday: the resilient Roman Polanski. Surviving her by 54 years. He has sure put a Bee in the Langley bonnet with his 2019 film “An Officer And a Spy.”
“aka, à la ZOLA: “J’Accuse”
Typo above: Reeve was pals (not “towels”, sheesh) with Otto Skorzeny (“Hitler’s Bodyguard” and France’s choice as “most dangerous man in Europe.” And founder in Argentina of global Nazi “support” fraternity: “die Spinne” or “Spider” such as patrols a global “Web” or WWW ? His wife, Countess Ilse von Finkelstein was known for giving the Nazi salute recklessly whenever inebriated.) The book “Chaos” also relates how Reeve Whitson teamed up with General Curtis LeMay as his sidekick in the months after the Tate murders in LA, where they were making the rounds, investigating, as a very dynamic duo.
[There are those who may recognize “Bombs Away” LeMay as the model that Stanley Kubrick and Terry Southern had in mind for “General Jack D. Ripper”, the man in charge of the Air Force, and also of nuking the world, in “Doctor Strangelove.”
Fiction, then.]
That’s funny.
Not Matt Damon then, whom was obviously a time warped British ‘born’ identity 007 former Sassoon Salon hair stylist.
Is it Lee Oswald yankie dollie,.. or Harvey Oswald….it’s kind of Important coming going through Customs YA TWIT.
“Maybe there never really was an America. Maybe it was all Frank Capra.”
~ John Cassavetes, actor and friend of Frank Capra, screenwriter friend of colleague Myles Connolly, author of “Mr. Blue” and “the spies of God”
Connolly, a Bostonian, was a good friend of Joseph Kennedy who got him to come to Hollywood to work for him. He was also the godfather of three of Capra’s children. His book Mr. Blue was a favorite of mine when young. My title probably derives from his book wit the “CIA” added. What I have written is all factual true, just disguised to protect my source who wishes to remain anonymous – at least for now. And there is much more to his story that I couldn’t tell or else it would reveal his identity. People shouldn’t doubt the factual nature of what I have written.
Yes, I got that much. I was getting all, or many, of the West Coast Variations on the Theme of your own storyline, or his, as they unfolded here around L.A.. I found out about 5 years ago that the first priest I had worked with on a parish level, in Long Beach California (St. Anthony’s, the HS of Cardinal Levada) was unbeknownst, when we knew each other mid-80s, the priest who gave Bobby his Last Rites at Good Samaritan Hospital and stayed to comfort Ethel Kennedy all night in their vigil. Fr. Thomas Peacha, RIP. An interesting story in its own right. (Not to mention I was born in that very hospital 16 years prior.)
I didn’t know about Capra’s JPK connections but it makes total sense.
I have an embarrassment of riches, or dots, to connect in all this, since my old man was the long time attorney (and disciple and confidant since 1920s) of the, ahem, unusual character who founded Philosophical Research Society, not far north of the Ambassador, and apparently was hypnotizing Sirhan months before we encounter the 24-year-old refugee firing a .22, one that most likely had only blanks. There were witnesses who described as much as that who were never called to trial. (Source: “CIA ROGUES: the Killing of the Kennedys.” 2013 P. Nolan.)
Fun Facts: I think you must know my Harvard School classmate and my mag’s art editor of yesteryear, Channing Lowe. I started a magazine at our school, Army ROTC back then, and published his first cartoons, by request, on a mimeograph machine? The magazine was more popular on campus than the official School rag “Harvest” which was edited by David Talbot, for years now the apparent czar of conspiracy histories and the more credible alternative storylines, at Hot Books, and Skyhorse?
Both Talbot and I got kicked out of (NoHo) Harvard School that year (1969).
I meant Connolly & JPK, not Capra. Of course!
Cassavetes, who plays the actor who sells his wife to the Devil in ‘Rosemary’s Baby’…. filmed in the Dakota Building where John Lennon was assassinated.
I was thinking of Cassavetes and his bravura turn in that Polanski morality play. I only saw it within the last few months for the first time since it’s 68 release, as a necessary part of my months’ long research into all things Polanski.
Fascinating that his wife Sharon, whom I refer to elsewhere on this thread, was provably (now) a victim of MKUltra and it’s quite the coincidence that Lennon’s assassin Mark Chapman was hired as a guard at Fort Chaffee in Arkansas by World Vision which is a pseudo-Christian front for the very fascist, Nazi in its flavors, far right program that was headed there by John Hinckley Senior? Pretty interesting and relevant, since Junior shot (at) newly
incoming Prez Ronnie Raygun only days (about 100+) after Chapman murdered Lennon?:Hmm.
But the eerie coup de gråce is that we see Cassavetes and Mia Farrow framed in the light thru the overhang “tunnel” entrance to The Dakota in “Rosemary’s Baby” and that is the very same exact location where Chapman opened fire on Lennon a dozen years later?
Can anyone say MKUlltra?
I know it’s easy enough for me, without getting too tongue~tied! The books CIA Rogues in 2013 and [CIA Operation]CHAOS by O’Neill in 2020 are really required reading for just everyone, since both books supplement those facts with a whole MKUltrafied host of others, taken together all facts tying the Sharon Tate murders, the Lennon assassination, and the Raygun “shooting” (I always suspected him as a bad congenital Crisis Actor) all together into a nifty little CIA Black Ops bundle.
I saw a “20/20” interview by Hugh Downs & Barbara Walters of Mark Chapman in prison, on ABC many years ago (late ’80s?) and the bizarre hallucinations and seemingly schizoid imaginations that Chapman retold, unidentified but marked in my mind then, really were saturated with all kinds of stock MKUltra associations…. Redolent of Tex Watson’s haunted MK memories in “Helter Skelter” and now the total rebuttal of that Bugliosi bogus bestseller of all-time “true” crime, “CHAOS” by O’Neill. His epic clash with Vince in his narrative is unforgettable.
But Polanski, now 90, once again seems still targeted in his connection to at least two of those. And of course the common MKUltra thread running through those. He is clearly a core person of interest to Intel in all this, since he has kicked up quite a storm again with CIA and the near global banning by Western media of his epic intelligence-themed “An Officer and a Spy” also of 2020.
’69, ’80, and 2020 ~ all years indelibly marked and marred by MKUltra, and the two bohemian malcontents and intelligence “persons of interest” John Lennon & Roman Polanski in the eye of all those storms.
A whole lot of food for thought there!
My father and his assassination figures in prominently enough, certainly in my mind, in all these Hollywood~flavored psyops.
[He was also the attorney to Bob Crane ~Mr ‘Hogan’s Heroes’~ who was savagely bludgeoned and killed about this time of year in 1978, 4 years before JWE’s own assassination (and my sister called me that late night to say our dad, who was long estranged frim me but not her, was hopping a private plane soon, at midnight to fly to the Crane murder scene) which itself was 62 days before the Freemason Roberto Calvi (“God’s Banker” at the center of the Vatican banking scandal) was “suicided” in London, found hanging from Blackfriars Bridge over the Thames, my old man found 62 days before him, in L.A., with a gun in his hand in a locked Lincoln, 2 months before the “P2 Lodge” Freemason Calvi. I only knew in those years vaguely that my father had been in DeMolay because I overheard him, only once or twice, talking about it out of view around a corner, and he refused to discuss it when I asked him what “DeMolay” was (DeMolay International, junior Masons, now only about a century old, but John Wayne and some other noted figures are alumni, JWE had quite a slew of 33° Masons as clients, and one such, MPH, was ghost hosting Sirhan in ‘67 at his esoteric reading library below Griffith Park, facts mentioned on these threads in several posts.
I’m about to look for/at the forensics on both, more closely, and some of the others, so there’s that update.
There is a very odd savor of life shadowing and imitating art (or just Hollyweird horrors) in much of this. On a global canvas.]
Cassavetes played a murderous maestro at the Hollywood Bowl in a Columbo episode. “Étude in Black” I think it’s called. He is missed, much.
John Cassavetes. Brilliant. And Gina.
Woman Under the Influence.
OT, but nonetheless.
I wrote a reply to this that is in pending.
It should be “Gena”, not “Gina”.
Isn’t pending just the bane. I’m thinking “Rowlands” though I’m guessing, since your pendable piece hasn’t popped up.
“Mr. Blue”
The eponym of my favorite book of ’72, by Myles Connolly, highly recommended by my pastor, so I got the epic slim volume, and owned it like a thumbnail hagiography from, and for, a world of magical realism.
Myles Connolly, like his contemporary Charles de Gaulle, and much like his Hollywood friend and screenwriting colleague, Frank Capra, was an ardent Catholic, when all three found uncanny ways to expand the reach of their Faith.
His character Blue told the imagined character narrating his tall “Franciscan” tale, that he belonged to “The Spies of God.”
“THE SPIES OF GOD.” Curious way to put it.
That phrase intrigued me at 19, and has always stuck with me ever since. So suggestive.
[My senior namesake JWE, founder of ecjlaw com around BH 90210, was longtime attorney to the founder of Philosophical Research Society (one of a very small handful of subjects who I don’t refer by name) and who became a 3° Freemason on 11.22.54 with the proviso, as standard, that he would no longer write about Freemasonry.
It’s recounted in several books, a bit cryptically, that he was “ghost” hosting Sirhan (Sirhan doesn’t remember him, nothing new in that) at PRS in late 1967 at his renowned “esoteric reading library” (I saw a photo gallery of that library in LA Weekly not long ago, and was, understandably, startled to see “my” entire 30 volume Bollingen collection of the works of CG Jung in the stacks, they were once bought by my father who barely touched them, but I had dog-eared the black dust jackets in a very recognizable pattern in my late teens for a book-length essay, before I fled his haunts for good ~ and there they are, today, a gift from the estate of his widow, my late stepmonster, who figures in this grim fairy tale as VP there in the 1980s). PRS still abides, as ever, at 3910 Los Feliz Blvd, 50 blocks due north of the (razed) Ambassador Hotel, where Bobby was murdered in CIA, MKUltra fashion, a half year after Sirhan’s 1967 visits? (I would argue that the founder there was the most “accomplished” Master hypnotist in American history. PRS is also, en passant, located right around the corner, a couple thousand feet as “the crow” flies, maybe, from 3301 Waverly, where the Manson bunch murdered the La Biancas August 10, 1969, barely a year after RFK, quite close by. (I saw that recently in an address check, but have yet to ever see it elsewhere? I met their orphaned daughter Alicia over 50 miles away in ’72, a friend of my roommate in Newport?]
I read a few weeks ago in some far-ranging searches that a credible source recounts the CIA sponsored and/or operated no fewer than 30 assassination attempts against Charles de Gaulle. With the collaboration of French OAS aka SAS. (For my first half century I had assumed that was a fantasy out of Day of the Jackal film lore. And during those JFK years. That General, “The Asparagus,” had more lives than a kennel of cats. (So they finally staged the 1968 “color revolution” to take him down, retiring like Krushchev, after a long and very illustrious career. Later the French voted him in a national poll the greatest Frenchman since Charlemagne. Napoleon came in third. But so very unloved at Langley. Why are we not surprised!?)
So many of these important issues are very well~covered, and researched for 20 years, in the 2020 shocker [CIA Operation] “CHAOS: Charles Manson, the CIA, the secret history of the Sixties” by Tom O’Neill [Hopefully unlimited hangout, 😱😂🙏😇]
Wow ed that was a Cheap paint job..
Off Guardian showing its endorsement for RFK jr and leading the lost conservatives that will vote democrats in 2024 for RFK jr.
I’m not saying it’s gonna be better, but rfk Jr seems to be the first human being running for office.
We were fooled by Reagan and a few others, but they weren’t even as close to the humility of rfk Jr.
I know the position of president is a puppet, but as we learned with Trump, it pays to have a big mouth president who uses the platform to mention things that even the media won’t.
RFK Jr. is not against poison jabs, he is only against the CONVID poison jab.
He also made is clear that he would annihilate the Second Amendment if he could.
He believes in Climate Change.
RFK Jr. is just another banker boss puppet POS.
WTAF do you expect when the last name is Kennedy?
He is NOT only against the “convid” jab.
He has been working on behalf of vaccine injured since 2004. Way before the recent nightmare.
He has said consistently that he is not anti-vax. He is for SAFE vaccines. Which he, and everyone including the Supreme Court, know do not exist.
I have some issues with him as a Presidential candidate, but the work he has done with Children’s Health Defense is amazing.
I credit him and CHD with my not having taken the recent shot. And not taking anymore flu or other shots.
Once you come to the factual realization there are no viruses, and germ theory was always fake, you’ll begin to glean that their world (Kennedy’s-Bush-Fauci-Trump and the news media and so called government etc) is full of fakery and they are all laughing behind the scenes.
ALL the so-called freedom fighters or prominent anti-injection spokespeople are in on every aspect of the fakery. They’re stage managed puppeteers, including RFK, Wakefield, Mikovits et al. Same with Catherine Austin Fitts.
They are putting on a show for you, and you believe every part of the show because you are still 100% asleep.
Well, it mostly seems mostly that way. Zzzzzzz.
(!)
There is an exculpatory aspect though that people who get caught up in all of that even with the best intentions have to play their card strategically or pay the price so that could exonerate at least an itty bit of them. Maybe more but I don’t want to encourage bad behavior it gets enough.
He is a flip flopper just like any other banker boss puppet POS.
If he is for SAFE vaccines, then he is for jabs. By saying he supports something that doesn’t exist, then he is just playing along.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HUHwoa_p8yw
This is who RFK Jr. really works for.
https://youtu.be/m3iXQCfGv1s?si=vqCczcZEZ30XUoKv
Hear, hear! RFK Jr., like his namesake, has a decades long track record as a Good Guy!
Very. He had many quite awesome shows on Air America almost a quarter century ago, and others long before that!
RFK Jr., like his namesake, has a decades long track record as a Good Guy!
Desist from smearing him, and falsely, please.
His perspicacity is demonstrated by his position on that tiny nation on the banks of the eastern Mediterranean. He knows exactly who took out his closest relatives and why. And he has position himself accordingly.
If that’s OK with you, then Enjoy!
you all said that about trump 💤 and the populist leaders 💤
Grew up in “Kennedy Country”, MA, about an hr from The Compound.
Later on protesting @ the Bush Compound.
They might as well be the same place (even though it’s 2 diff. states)….bc they’re in the same freaking club!
Why do ppl want to be duped so hard?? A duping addiction?
I don’t understand it.
“We were fooled by Reagan & a few others”….
but THIS TIME…. it’ll be different!
(He acts so much better/nicer….he’s articulate…and I can see his abs).
*Cue Lucy, holding the football for Chuck Brown* (ugh)
I gots to know…….
The truth will’s out !
That is obviously why the geoengineers keep the weather relatively stable in the northeast United States juxtaposed to the rest of the world. However, I find it interesting that but for a brief mention of the Mossad, no mention was made of the awesome Jewish power and its nefarious effects on the U.S. and the world. Fact is, the Rothschild banking dynasty with its subsidiary financial titans, Blackrock and Vanguard, possess assets in the Trillions, almost incalculable wealth and the power that goes with it. They own and/or control every major corporation and business enterprise on earth. No WASP or Anglo consortium can come close to matching this let alone exceeding it. So as per usual, it is much more relevant what this mystery man is not saying.
Well, the WASPs and the Anglo’s sure have had a great deal to do with colonialism, slaughter and mayhem. Just ask the Chinese, Indians, Native American’s, African’s, Haitians, Irish et al.
Those WASPS have long been under the Jewish thumb. It is historical fact that the Jewish banking houses, most notably the Rothschilds, but there were others, intermarried with Anglo nobility and royalty centuries ago. As a humorous anecdote, when I was in High school, I knew a Jew who was a doppelganger for the current English King, Charles. Further, with control of the currencies, the Jews attained de facto control of the nations, meaning of course the major foreign and domestic policies (just like in the U.S.). Their plethora of high level Anglo & WASP sycophants and surrogates does not in one scintilla detract from the fact that they call the shots.
‘Govern me harder tatti’.
Get a room.
“Et al.” Aplenty.
A perfect source of completely unadulterated truth? I suppose we can all dream
This sounds like a poor attempt at fiction like something out of jackanory 💤💤
Load of old cobblers!🤯
That’s news to me, since I have lived a lot of it, as he tells it. So many dots connect to my own share of dots ,(too many).
I have the West Coast bonanza of dots, near or around ’60s UCLA & BH 90210, and Hollywood, north, south, and west, and Mr. Curtin seems to have as many or more of the East Coast collection.
John
Does this help define the view The Americas. with the North Eastern part of the US. I’ve not heard of Niebuhr naturally, but I like the links of important people on realism.
Thanks
Niebuhr was a significant genius along many lines. MLK said that his writings influenced him even more than Gandhi. But it’s noteworthy that Niebuhr declined to participate in some of MLK’s suggested actions when approached by him.
Nevertheless Reinhold Niebuhr was a significant mind and had a lot to say: I suppose I need to dig further to see where Mr Curtin feels he went astray?
One cornerstone of his progressive thought is virtually my credo:
“It is my strong conviction that a realist concept of human nature should be made the servant of an ethic of progressive Justice, and not turned into a bastion of conservatism especially one which defends unjust privileges.”
What’s not to love about that? Or the serenity prayer of Alcoholics Anonymous, which was extracted from an essay written by him.
All that is in Bobby’s Kennedy~wheelhouse.
My views are almost never of a fully fixed locus except on certain issues, core issues, all the rest is open to debate.
But not Bobby Kennedy Senior’s anthem, another part made of the solid Rock in my credo:
“Government belongs wherever evil needs an adversary and there are people in distress.”
I refuse to search for links to that degenerate and depraved rag, “Rolling Stone”, but FWIW I first heard of Reinhold Niebuhr when I read the late, great Doctor of Gonzo Journalism Hunter S. Thompson’s enthusiastic profile of Jimmy Carter written in 1976, IIRC.
Thompson was particularly impressed with then-Governor Jimmy Carter’s May 4, 1974 Law Day address. Here’s the salient excerpt:
My own interest in the criminal justice system is very deep and heartfelt. Not having studied law, I’ve had to learn the hard way.
I read a lot and listen a lot. One of the sources for my understanding about the proper application of criminal justice and the system of equity is from reading Reinhold Niebuhr, one of his books that Bill Gunter gave me quite a number of years ago.
The other source of my understanding about what’s right and wrong in this society is from a friend of mine, a poet named Bob Dylan. After listening to his records about “The Ballad of Hattie Carol” and “Like a Rolling Stone” and “The Times, They Are a-Changing,” I’ve learned to appreciate the dynamism of change in a modern society.
Niebuhr is very pedagogical and like the best teachers, like CS Lewis & GKC & Eckhart Tolle, he can condense a lot of intellectual landscape into a few words, a few principles and ideas, major maxims, which is very helpful for aging wannabe autodidacts (such as myself).
Such as:
“Self-righteousness is always the result of simplistic moral judgments.”
You can get crash courses on many important things by simply reading just quotations of Niebuhr. (GoodReads’ got ’em.)
Here are many that are a sensation as instant education:
https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/31146.Reinhold_Niebuhr
My favorite of his oft-cited comments, as used as epigraph to Thomas Cahill’s “How the Irish saved Civilization” and a “One-Stop Shop” of Orthodox theology or really any?
THIS CLASSIC:
“Nothing that is worth doing can be achieved in our lifetime; therefore we must be saved by hope.
Nothing which is true or beautiful or good makes complete sense in any immediate context of history; therefore we must be saved by faith.
Nothing we do, however virtuous, can be accomplished alone; therefore we must be saved by love.
No virtuous act is quite as virtuous from the standpoint of our friend or foe as it is from our standpoint. Therefore we must be saved by the final form of love which is forgiveness.”
[That was the excerpt as quoted by Cahill, but Nebuhr himself concluded:
“No act of ours is quite as virtuous from the standpoint of our friends or foes as it is from our own standpoint, therefore we must be saved by the final form of love, which is forgiveness.”
[That coda seems to me like the most important of all and the glorious capstone of the sequence above. And Above.]
~ Reinhold Niebuhr, The Irony of American History
I meant it all in bold, but it got mishandled by software somehow. Where would be the charm without insidious errors.
Problematical for the America’s was the sea ocean link chain was broken in 1968 transatlantic crossings., as an nesscessity for Americans hopefully via air travel advance their seats of public teachings learnings, a worldly perspective by fifteen year old, but it never happened. Quite the opposite in fact which leads us once more to the twin world’s powers space race to the Moon. The American dream gone bad imo. Chief of which US adds very little credence to anyone other than itself Visa investments overseas.
Intentionally unintelligible, or otherwise?
I was sitting comfortably….and then he began
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