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Quick Take: The “Epstein Client List” is not what it seems

On Monday a New York Judge Loretta Preska ruled that the infamous “Epstein Client List” must be released “in full” in January 2024.

The 51-page ruling has caused a stir, but what is it really going to tell us?

Is it going to reveal anything of his ties to US and Israeli intelligence?

Highly improbable.

Is it going to tell us anything about his supposed “suicide”?

Of course not.

The judge even walked back the “in full” part before the end of her ruling, giving anyone on the list until January 1st to petition to have themselves removed:

Anyone on the list has until 1 January to appeal to have their name removed.

We don’t know who’s going to be on the “full” list when it’s released (except Prince Andrew, and you already know what we think about him) but there’s no reason at all to trust it.

As we speak the contents of this “full list” are probably subject to feverish behind the scenes campaigning. PR firms, agents, lobbyists all jockeying to have their clients removed and their enemies added. Those in control are likely busy extorting favours from anyone who doesn’t want to be a last minute addition.

Because that’s always been the major point of the “client list”. Since the revelation that it existed, the “Client List” has been a potential threat hanging over the head of every politician, celebrity or high profile business owner.

“Step out of line, and we might just discover you’re on the list and start leaking that little tidbit all over the place”.

The persons concerned don’t need to have EVER actually been on the list for this to work.

Hell, there doesn’t even need to be a list for this to work. Not a real solid hard copy compiled by Epstein anyhow. Just a spreadsheet on a computer somewhere, updated as necessary with the names of those deemed needful.

Consider, for a moment just how strange it is that we even know the “Epstein client list” exists, and indeed that that’s what it’s called.

Consider how strange it is that we were ever told who went to what island how many times.

Now the judge has made a ruling (hooray! the system works!) and we’ll likely be presented with nothing but a list of disposable names – the old, the dead, the already discredited and/or recently stepped out of line.

What relationship, if any, it has to Epstein’s real associates or anything else real world will remain unknowable and largely irrelevant to everyone selling and consuming it.

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Jim Beam
Jim Beam
Dec 24, 2023 6:26 PM

Speaking of “Epstein”:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EP3GaLatEEY

Indeed. Germans are not Austrians, Mr.
Englishman, but you must be Germans.
Otherwise it would be inexplicable that
your sex criminals are received as royals.
https://de.zxc.wiki/wiki/Als_die_Royals_aus_Hannover_kamen

Jim Beam
Jim Beam
Dec 26, 2023 9:34 PM
Reply to  Jim Beam

Austrians are notorious among Germans for their
sliminess and sneakiness. That is why we regard
them as Germanized Slavs/prey Germans at best.
https://de.zxc.wiki/wiki/Beutegermane

Austrians, on the other hand, seriously believe that
they speak better German than we! Ridiculous. Pre-
sumably Americans believe the same about British.

You have to give the Ösis credit for inventing (at least!) the snow globe. Alongside their “Silent Night”, this is one of the few of their truly “world-influencing inventions” from their valley of the unsuspecting. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%C3%96si

They still hate it (for some unfathomable reason) that we call them “canyon sh*tters” (Schluchtenscheißer). Although we are only verbalizing the natural limitation of their mental horizon by the geographical circumstances!

Even today, the entire white race has to atone for the hereditary debts of their Adolf, whom they blame on us. Even the British homo duo Erasure are far more Christmassy than them, who have so far only been able to make ridiculous wooden carvings.

https://mp3music.ru/erasure/snow-globe

Jim Beam
Jim Beam
Dec 26, 2023 11:15 PM
Reply to  Jim Beam

To be honest, this is a specifically German opinion: if I had the choice between the Dutch and the Austrians, I would clearly choose the Danes. Unfortunately, as a non-migrating people (like the devastating Jews), you can’t choose your neighbors.

I would even choose the Czechs over the Austrians and the French over the Dutch! It makes no sense to colonize a common cultural area with this kind of people! Perhaps the Scots feel the same way about the English.

I reject the idea of having to live on the same island as Austrians on ethical and moral grounds! A true nightmare! We couldn’t even hide these “folks” behind their high mountains! Definitely an absolute no-go!

However, the people we have been talking about so far have never been as much of a nuisance as the Poles. The fact that we are not completely wrong in this assessment is proven by the general popularity of Poles in Sweden or Little Britain, e.g.

Jim Beam
Jim Beam
Dec 27, 2023 1:35 AM
Reply to  Jim Beam

Why do Germans love Danes and Swiss? I strongly suspect that the degree of love increases exponentially with the shortness of the border. We share the longest border with the Poles, the Dutch and the Austrians. While the Danes are neutral towards us, the Dutch are openly hostile and the Austrians have a historically unresolved love-hate relationship. The Austrians are what we don’t want to be: a derailed parody of ourselves. When you meet them, you unintentionally look into a distorted mirror.

The Austrians are closest to us linguistically, but the Dutch are genetically closest to us northern Germans. So the Polish problem is still unresolved because one of our so-called chancellors has prostrated himself before them and recognized the so-called Oder-Neisse border. So the wall to the east has been destroyed and these people are now, thanks to the “Allied” injustice, feasting on our centuries-old possessions, which they are only able to maintain thanks to our permanent injections of money.

I recently read a book by Haushofer. I reject war and expansion in principle, but the idea of a living space that can only be owned by those who are able to use it sensibly makes perfect sense. Today, of course, this is all highly frowned upon and “forbidden” literature. If my ancestors were from the Rhineland instead of East Prussia and Silesia, the subject would probably leave me completely cold. But as it is, even in us distant descendants the resentment about this arbitrary theft of land is still fermenting.

Jim Beam
Jim Beam
Dec 27, 2023 2:59 AM
Reply to  Jim Beam

Hitler definitely had a horrendous “roof damage”. The guy was sick in the head. He should have taken back the stolen German territories, then it would have been over and all would have been well, the British would still have their beloved empire today. But as lunatics with delusions of grandeur go, he never got his head around it. https://www.dict.cc/deutsch-englisch/Dachschaden.html

niko
niko
Dec 23, 2023 10:54 AM

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semaj
semaj
Dec 23, 2023 10:35 AM

Just another distraction so the gullible morons get off the Israeli genocide in Gaza.

hotrod31
hotrod31
Dec 27, 2023 10:49 PM
Reply to  semaj

Or perhaps the ‘Israeli genocide in Palestine’ is part of the distraction from something more explosive and/or disturbing. I’m not trying to trivialize the barbarity of what is being done to the Palestinians, but rather to point out that there must be some compelling reason for these bastards to be engaging in the slaughter of innocent people on such a large scale. What are they trying to distract us from? It must be something REALLY BIG …

Jim Beam
Jim Beam
Dec 22, 2023 10:30 PM

Did you know that a stop-motion movie was not philo-Semi-
tic enough (and therefore inevitably anti-Semitic)? Just ima-
gine this collossal crime against (Jewish) “humanity” alone!
https://time.com/6548383/christmas-movie-holocaust-memory-antisemitism/

Raz Putin
Raz Putin
Dec 22, 2023 6:05 PM

Just another roadside distraction on the newly paved highway to hell.

joeblow
joeblow
Dec 22, 2023 5:34 PM

There should be a lineup and the victims should be able to pick out the guilty.

joeblow
joeblow
Dec 22, 2023 5:33 PM

There should be a lineup and the victims should be able to pick out the ones guilty.

Some Addidion
Some Addidion
Dec 22, 2023 3:12 PM

Just watched a few scenes from the 1979 series adaptation of “Red Zora”. A Yugoslavian-German-Swiss co-production. The communist author of the original, Kurt Held, whose real name was Kurt Kläber, is listed in Wikipedia under the category “Jewish-German families”.

There is also a remake by a Jew from 2008, the director is the older brother of the notorious Stasi agent Anetta Kahane, who installed a kind of surveillance system like the ADL and SPLC in America with her so-called foundation. “East Germany is too white,” is a quote she once made on RT.

https://de.zxc.wiki/wiki/Die_Rote_Zora
https://de.zxc.wiki/wiki/Peter_Kahane

One wonders why the Jews are so keen to make a girl the ruler of a gang of boys? We already know the motif from Astrid Lindgren and her Pippi Longstocking: “I make the world as I like it.” Mrs. Merkel is also a ruler and destroyer of Germany, highly decorated by Jews.

Jim Beam
Jim Beam
Dec 22, 2023 2:15 PM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12855619/Shocking-moment-far-right-MP-uses-fire-extinguisher-Hanukkah-candles-Polish-parliament-blasts-female-official-face-tries-stop-him.html

IMHO, the contents of a fire extinguisher are far too valuable to
be used to desecrate a “Hanukkah”. Instead, I advocate an ad-
vanced method that honors both – poor Indians and rich Jews!

santadoesnot
santadoesnot
Dec 25, 2023 10:11 AM
Reply to  Jim Beam

silly but much needed laugh.
as a constipation theorist was it staged.??

Literally nobody
Literally nobody
Dec 22, 2023 12:43 PM

In full…and redacted…
Newspeak,
Modernity,
The great reset is already old news

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 22, 2023 10:53 AM

Off topic –

The Times of Israel feeds into the “resurgent antisemitism” meme:

“Florida district pulls many Jewish and Holocaust books from classroom libraries”

Oh no! The new Nazis are burning the books again!

Edwige
Edwige
Dec 22, 2023 10:07 AM

Released just before Christmas = News Management 101.

niko
niko
Dec 22, 2023 8:53 AM

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Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 22, 2023 2:05 PM
Reply to  niko

So what? You sucked it all up and cried he was violating your rights to write comments in his Windows and Microsoft programmes, and further you wanted more play station games.

Bill is just a nerd in the teen age, not your responsible father nor your nanny.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 22, 2023 10:04 PM
Reply to  niko

Forgive me, but I saw that look once on the face of a turkey. Or maybe it was an ostrich.

gordan
gordan
Dec 23, 2023 9:53 PM
Reply to  niko

he is a her
trans hollywood weird world
her great grandad worked for rockerfella
and so it goes

hotrod31
hotrod31
Dec 27, 2023 10:59 PM
Reply to  niko

Good one. And, the others on the list continue to run parliament and make-up ‘new’ laws and regulations for the peeps in the US. What a shiite-show for the international community to witness …

Thom
Thom
Dec 22, 2023 7:33 AM

I doubt Prince Andrew has done anything wrong. Off Guardian led by the nose by the US intelligence agencies again.

Sam - Admin
Admin
Sam - Admin
Dec 22, 2023 1:21 PM
Reply to  Thom

Wrong. Follow the Prince Andrew link, and perhaps read the above piece again, since you clearly skimmed it the first time and missed the tone. A2

Hele
Hele
Dec 22, 2023 6:49 AM

Stay Tuned! ..more fodder for the boob tube.

ChronoChris
ChronoChris
Dec 22, 2023 5:21 AM

They,re making a list
They’re checking it twice
We’re going to find out
Who’s naughty or nice

Classic Christmas trolling

Hele
Hele
Dec 22, 2023 6:44 AM
Reply to  ChronoChris

So good

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 22, 2023 3:01 AM

Author writes:”What relationship, if any, it has to Epstein’s real associates or anything else real world will remain unknowable and largely irrelevant to everyone selling and consuming it.”

Cotton candy for the sickened masses, in volume from NY Post and all the many poisonous tabloids. Vicious liars and faked gossip mongers.

Poisoned candy for the likes of Hansel und Gretel’s predecessors to the Witch’s House of Candy, as the warning from that great fairy tale, so revealing of everlasting dynamics.

CK_
CK_
Dec 22, 2023 2:32 AM

If the PTB really do practice child sacrifice ala Pizzagate, then Epstein is a Limited Hangout/diversion.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Dec 22, 2023 10:03 PM
Reply to  CK_

Maybe not. As I recall, Epstein Island had deep underground rooms. Even after he was incarcerated, he bought a large cement mixer, shipped it to his notorious Island, and it spent days mixing concrete and pouring it into the entrance tunnels. End of story. I, for one, would bet dollar to donuts that there were scenes in those rooms that mimicked the rituals in Eyes Wide Shut. Not the ones we were allowed to see in the theater, but the reputed 21 minutes that Warner Bros. cut from the Kubrick’s final cut after Kubrick so conveniently died. Kubrick had absolutely legally tight rights to control the final edit of the film, but of course, that was abrogated after he was dead. As I remember, we are talking days between the announcement of the film’s completion and Kubrick’s passing. As the CIA Handbook (Wikipedia) writes:

“Writing for Vanity Fair, Kubrick collaborator Michael Herr recalled a phone call from the director regarding the cut that would be screened for the Warner Bros. executives four days before his death:”

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 23, 2023 12:33 AM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

Useful info, even tho’ sourced out of Langley approved Wiki

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 22, 2023 2:15 AM

Just a glaring personal input, I posted some of this on various threads, but it bears repeating and then some on this thread.

In Chapter 10 of “Master of the Mysteries” by Sahagun, available in Kindle edition as the 2016 updated version, we read that John Ervin (yep, namesake as well as my attorney father) “committed suicide in his locked car with a small caliber gun.”

“Meanwhile back at the ranch” [this is after all a very Hollywood Western, and double-billed as one for an unsolved Hollyweird Murder Mystery,” literally] my sister Nancy Kleeman, whose husband was the OCSD deputy who loaned JWE the gun later found in his hand, a .38, not a Sirhan-esque .22, told me in March 2000 that LAPD had it filed as an 18 years old [ice] “Cold Case” ~ evidence missing at the scene : two shots fired but only one shell found in the locked Lincoln. Ergo, one of the curious calling cards of a contract killing.

So there you go, two of the most prominent authorities on the subject, or the most, one a Pulitzer Prize winner, and the other the many “storied” LAPD. [Just ask Monsieur Roman Polanski about them? For stories’ sake?]

On metaphorically opposite pages?

That gave me some up close and personal insight into just how reliable State journalism has become?

And the soi-disant “Master” was mysteriously dead in August 1990, 8 years after JWE, his widow Marie Bauer hired the world-famous JFK researcher & coroner M.E. Cyril Wecht to conduct an independent autopsy, which he went to the wall with LA Coroner for the next 10 years and finally got it accepted by L.A. courts as a homicide.

Another unsolved “Hollywood Murder Mystery” ~ and in the national “newspapers” throughout the entire 90s, in many installments.

So much for the news at the hour. Or late late.

A tenuous process.

underground poet
underground poet
Dec 22, 2023 11:55 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

The good news is that we finally made it out of the 1900’s.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 22, 2023 1:22 PM

So much for Progress.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 22, 2023 8:26 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Just my frequent CAVEAT on that book: all my experience (since the age of 2) and recent research suggests, strongly, that the subject of the SAHAGUN book, ‘MPH’, is a highly protected property of government, including LAPD, covering a sinkhole of bad things going back to the 1920s in L.A.

He was exposed adeptly, obliquely, by Raymond Chandler in “Farewell, My Lovely” [RKO 1944 film Murder My Sweet, profiled there as Jules Amthor “truth serum” therapist, master hypnotist, torturer, fortean criminal etc, also again as A G. Geiger in the Bogart ’46 hit noir film “Thé Big Sleep”: all MPH, all the time, if you look closely, at all).

Though dead for 33 years, he ever remains a noxious and destructive fortean force, so I am often at odds between outing all of that to more public awareness of this major globalist perp, or warning readers away from him altogether, aka “The Mme. Blavatsky of America” (one of his nicknames). So that’s my story. Please be advised. A lot of corpses left in his wake, not the least of whom, RFK 1968.

[O, and my old man’s, 14 years later.]

ChairmanDrusha
ChairmanDrusha
Dec 22, 2023 12:52 AM

The fact that a troll like Dershowitz can walk free because he claims to have kept his underpants on tells you just how seriously this will be taken.

Johnny
Johnny
Dec 22, 2023 12:49 AM

‘Dead men tell no tales’
T’was ever thus.

Especially at the top of the Hungry Heap.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 22, 2023 2:25 AM
Reply to  Johnny

I don’t know, really. Jesus was once upon a time a dead man. But then He told us some tall tales.

Then the survivors called them out as Good News.

I’ll take it.

mariusmioc
mariusmioc
Dec 22, 2023 12:09 AM

We will have a list of people who supposely went to Epstein island. However, this is not a proof that all those persons were engaged in unlawfull activities.
For any person who abused kids it should be a victim who made a complaint. If there is no complaint, it is not relevant that somebody meet Epstein.
The main danger is the overreaching power of the State. We should not allow the State to establish that somebody made an abuse without a complaint from the victim.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 22, 2023 2:37 AM
Reply to  mariusmioc

Well, allow or disallow, it seems to have become more and more the State’s bread and butter. Justice Learned Hand warned 70 years or more ago that we were soon entering into a society of judgment by innuendo.

And the Spookocracy lives & breathes by that. That is our biggest problem. They use it to Island their malcontent undesirables, etç, or else make them flee to Paris.

[Oscar Wilde was asked where do good Americans go when they die. He answered, “Why, they go to Paris!”]

Steve
Steve
Dec 21, 2023 11:57 PM

Yep, nothing to see here. What are you looking for? The truth??

underground poet
underground poet
Dec 22, 2023 11:57 AM
Reply to  Steve

The truth got cut down long ago.

jank willie
jank willie
Dec 21, 2023 10:27 PM

ruse, ruse, ruse. everything is a ruse. if it’s in the news, it’s a ruse. I mean you’ve got to be out of your mind to still believe anything “out there”

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Dec 21, 2023 10:08 PM

The Paper Trail

As I understand it, any plane has a manifest ?

Not so difficult to find out who was where and when.

The bigger question is the paper trail of communications over, for example, the past three years.

If the “conspiracy theorists” are correct and the world is run by a cabal of” globalists in shiny black tophats” (GISBTH) then there must be a form of communication between them and the bad actors ?

Not between the State leaders and their subordinates but between GISBTH and state leaders.

to have the level of co-ordination that we’ve seen there must not only be an initial order at some Tracy island (Hmmmm…….) But here must be follow ups not involving exotic travel.

There must be some, maybe encrypted, emails, texts, dark web messages ?

Tick tock !

underground poet
underground poet
Dec 22, 2023 12:05 PM

@Not so difficult to find out who was where and when.

I see a day when babies are chipped to know where they were, and when they were there during their life time.

And arriving just before them is the package who also has been chipped to know it is and when it was there.

Stolen item? No problem, run it through the data base and see who was w/the package during the time it was missing.

Talk about putting the fear of stealing in ya, you’ll know by then you were just a slave to money.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 22, 2023 7:42 PM

The level of coordination required can be processed more & more expediently now by AI.

And interfaces between different kinds.
A Parliament of robots, staffing a virtual CFR.

Cuts out a lot of in betweens.

But none of it can outmode the subtlety of integrated Spirit. (By definition?) So surely our answers must be there.

The truest ones? Or those that really answer

It is written above all the lines that the surest access there is by filial prayer. At least that’s what the Heart of it says.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 22, 2023 7:56 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

“Do not be too impressed with this technological Terror you have constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the force.”

~ Darth Vader, long long ago.

[But only the love of a Person can trump that “Force”…. unforced Love]

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Dec 21, 2023 9:49 PM

Reminds me of the Panama Papers. No-one went to prison.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 21, 2023 11:13 PM
Reply to  Veri Tas

Anyone can make a list and pretend to be outraged.

Jos
Jos
Dec 22, 2023 10:13 AM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

Like Santa Claus! (Aka Satan Claws)

dom irritant
dom irritant
Dec 22, 2023 9:08 AM
Reply to  Veri Tas

excellent observation

Joe Van Steenbergen
Joe Van Steenbergen
Dec 21, 2023 9:41 PM

More posturing and distraction. Besides, you can’t shame people into oblivion today like we could in the past. They all survive the worst revelations, unless they can’t bear to show their faces in public. You can’t shame someone who has no sense of shame.

Penelope
Penelope
Dec 21, 2023 8:54 PM

Best thing on the internet right now; if you’re not a closet sheep, this is for you.

Ending National Suicide Act Draft bill for 118th Congress

https://bailiwicknews.substack.com/p/ending-national-suicide-act

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 22, 2023 10:27 AM
Reply to  Penelope

As long as Capitol Hill swear loyalty to Fed and the British Crown, the Congress can bill wtf they wanna bill. We have the Amerifats by the balls…………LOL.

Victor G.
Victor G.
Dec 24, 2023 12:44 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

Are you also afraid to use the “I” word?

David McBain
David McBain
Dec 21, 2023 8:39 PM

“Your name will be on the list. What is it?”
“Don’t tell him Pike!”

jubal hershaw
jubal hershaw
Dec 21, 2023 8:12 PM

We all know whose name will definitely be on The List – Bobby jnr.

Chris James
Chris James
Dec 21, 2023 8:07 PM

If 325,000 Russian soldiers really died in the Ukraine “war” then world war 3 would be almost over. Its all lies. Off Guardian gave up a long time ago on exposing the fake Russian invasion. Russia will likely invade but it hasn’t happened yet. Only thing going on in Ukraine is the nine-year-old conflict in the east. It’s astounding to me that no one is talking about this.

Elmo
Elmo
Dec 22, 2023 5:45 AM
Reply to  Chris James

It’s astounding to me that you believe this.

Chris James
Chris James
Dec 22, 2023 6:28 AM
Reply to  Elmo

It’s unfathomable that you actually believe what has been drummed into you since day one in February 2022. Off Guardian exposed the fake tanks and many other fictitious news stories using footage of the damage from war in the east, crisis actors, staged scenarios and CGI. Please show me one real Russian soldier in Kiev or anywhere else in Ukraine. Im not talking about Ukrainians fascists dressed in fatigues pretending to surrender. You are not a very perceptive person.

Elmo
Elmo
Dec 23, 2023 4:09 AM
Reply to  Chris James

Golly, someone’s got their knickers in a twist! 😂

The figure of 325,000 Russian soldiers having died is very obviously a load of crap. It’s lower than about a tenth of that.

As for your contention that the SMO etc. is all a fake and that OffG has exposed this, can you kindly provide a link to the article if in fact it actually exists?

Perry
Perry
Dec 29, 2023 8:19 AM
Reply to  Elmo

Ha ha! A link? On today’s fascist internet where we cant even talk about the fake virus? You’re a silly willy. Do your own analysis. People that dont want the truth always want their citations and links from the very entities that promote these fake stories. Your cooked honey. The fake footage is there to be analyzed. Just search MSM YouTube videos and turn down the sound and open your eyes.

Elmo
Elmo
Dec 29, 2023 11:14 PM
Reply to  Perry

Off Guardian exposed the fake tanks and many other fictitious news stories using footage of the damage from war in the east, crisis actors, staged scenarios and CGI.

He hasn’t provided any link to any article posted by the entity known as Off Guardian in order to back up his claim, therefore it is, so far, null and void. Get it, drongo?

Chris James
Chris James
Dec 22, 2023 6:29 AM
Reply to  Elmo

Show me footage that caused 325,000 Russian troops to be killed. SHow me
You believe that figure like you believe the “deaths” from a non existent virus?.

Elmo
Elmo
Dec 23, 2023 4:14 AM
Reply to  Chris James

Sorry but I find it hard to believe that mere “footage” can cause anyone to be killed, Russian troops or otherwise, although I must admit that I almost died laughing from The Life of Brian.

And beats me what SARS-CoV-2 has to do with Ukraine, but as far as I know the former has never been proven to exist, therefore zero deaths have been caused by it.

Victor G.
Victor G.
Dec 24, 2023 12:51 PM
Reply to  Chris James

Where’s the link for Elmo, Perry?

Perry
Perry
Dec 29, 2023 8:26 AM
Reply to  Victor G.

WTF? Are you CIA or MI5 as well?

Chris James
Chris James
Dec 22, 2023 6:33 AM
Reply to  Elmo

So why isn’t Kiev occupied if nearly 400,000 troops from one of the world’s top 3 militaries. Silly muppet

Elmo
Elmo
Dec 23, 2023 4:21 AM
Reply to  Chris James

Give it a break. You really are trying too hard. Oh, and by the way, drongo, you might want to try completing your sentences.

Perry
Perry
Dec 29, 2023 8:26 AM
Reply to  Elmo

Are you an intelligence sock puppet Elmo? What sentences? I’ll have to tickle you. Give it a break indeed. For 22 months we have been fed this crap about alleged Russian troops in Ukraine. Show us the evidence muppet

Perry
Perry
Dec 29, 2023 8:28 AM
Reply to  Elmo

Why isnt Kiev occupied. Russia is arguably the strongest military in the world. Show me the Russian troops. Show me Elmo. Send me a link lol

Elmo
Elmo
Dec 29, 2023 11:22 PM
Reply to  Perry

Send me a link to any statement by Putin where he says that part of his plan was to occupy Kiev. Go on, just one will do. Good luck!

Perry
Perry
Dec 29, 2023 8:31 AM
Reply to  Elmo

So focus on his typos to avoid the question. It’s pretty easy to complete the sentence

Elmo
Elmo
Dec 29, 2023 11:24 PM
Reply to  Perry

Nope, not a “typo” but poor grammar. You are obviously not sufficiently educated to know the difference.

Perry
Perry
Dec 29, 2023 8:35 AM
Reply to  Elmo

Yes, let’s just drop the salient and astute point he made about the Russian invasion being a psyop. You’re the one who needled him with your naivete

Elmo
Elmo
Dec 29, 2023 11:20 PM
Reply to  Perry

I already have dropped it, mainly because he has provided absolutely no proof, so what’s your point?

You sound more than a little needled yourself, ‘Perry’, you poor thing. 😘

NickM
NickM
Dec 22, 2023 8:00 AM
Reply to  Chris James

“Off Guardian gave up a long time ago on exposing the fake Russian invasion.”

Do not try to shift the blame onto OffG now that your little house of cards is tumbling down. It was never a fullscale “invasion”, merely an SMO (Special Military Operation) with minimal force, to bring Russia’s Western Ukraina (the territorries from Odessa to Kiev) back to Mother. Current estimates of military casualties are 12,000-20,000 Russian soldiers and 300,000-500,000 Ukrainian.

Now that the Ukraina question is settled (de-Nazification, de-NATZOfication and re-Russification of the sythetic territory temporarily registered as East Ukraine) Russia’s real forces are building up for the main Operation: de-NATZOfication of Eastern Europe. NATZO broke its promise to Gorbachev, not to expand Eastward when Ukraine was declared a neutral and nuclear-free state. .

No NATZO nukes nor bioweapons East of Berlin!

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 23, 2023 3:25 PM
Reply to  NickM

NAZO broke a promise to Russians!

They must have taken them for indigenous peoples or something [fill in ______blank]. It appears they border Inuit and Aleut territory on the other end.

[At least they didn’t mistake them for “Indians,” this time. But, clearly, the day is young.]

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 22, 2023 2:13 PM
Reply to  Chris James

Type error. 330 000 Russian soldiers died in Ukraine. Its important to mention the correct number to avoid fake news.

NickM
NickM
Dec 23, 2023 2:46 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

https://www.reuters.com › world › us-intelligence-assesses-ukraine-war-has-cost-russia…
U.S. intelligence assesses Ukraine war has cost Russia 315,000 …A declassified U.S. intelligence report assessed that the Ukraine war has cost Russia 315,000 dead and injured troops, or nearly 90% of the personnel it had when the conflict began, a source …

“When every figure in the MSM is wrong, then we shall know that our job is done” — U$ Central Intelligence Agency, staff member.

The Four Grades of Intelligence, in descending order::

Divine, Human, Animal, Artificial and Military.

rangeofillusions
rangeofillusions
Dec 21, 2023 8:05 PM

BTW what did happen to Ghislaine Maxwell. ???
surely within the prison system, someone would of sold photos which would of been worth tons of money of Ghislaine dressed in an orange jump suit as a deterrent to others.

What if the whole thing is an contrived manufactured show to keep us entertained?
there is no EPSTEIN, there is no Ghislaine Maxwell and No untouchable MOSSAD and using the blame small hat lot as a scapegoat.

was the EPSTEIN thing even real..???

ChairmanDrusha
ChairmanDrusha
Dec 22, 2023 12:49 AM

Until pretty recently not a single photo existed of Ghislaine Maxwell in the last 10 years off. In court only got those sketch ups. No photos or video of her outside of court. The whole thing stinks.

Hele
Hele
Dec 22, 2023 6:47 AM
Reply to  ChairmanDrusha

ClubFed?

Jos
Jos
Dec 22, 2023 10:23 AM

I’d say yes but probably so much worse than the msm would ever reveal. This might be the limited hangout – a few people for the public to tut about and then nothing. I heard a young lad in a bookshop the other day being offered ‘knowledge’ books for Christmas, to which he exclaimed loudly: ‘I don’t want them. They’re all fake’. It warmed my Christmas heart which may well be the kind of thing that happened on Epstein Island.

gordan
gordan
Dec 23, 2023 10:04 PM

jizlame she lives in is ra hell with her dad Ján Ludvík Hyman Binyamin Hoch the tub of lard mossadick never really drowned.
epstein,lord mcalpine lord greville janner day zio lives

Willem
Willem
Dec 21, 2023 6:04 PM

My take:

Well, first of all they reported this in the meanstream. Just like WikiLeaks and the Snowden files. That should tell one enough.

Then, it is an absolute waste of time for anyone who was not on Epstein island to spend time on the Epstein case. Which is excellent for those who like that people waste their time on things that they can only judge from hearsay. Similar to all the gossip, sleaze and dirt that one can find in tabloids. It’s a distraction. In the meantime you get robbed, without even knowing it.

Also, the story makes oligarchs (who are nothing special really, except for that they somehow are able to gather/steal/inherit a lot of money) look omnipotent. If they can get away with that, they can get away with anything. So it leads to the idea that our situation (where we are ruled by the oligarchy) is hopeless/despairing.

Furthermore, the idea that someone can get suicided in a high security prison, leads to the idea that what can be done to Epstein, they can also do to you. A feeling of fear. A spook story.

And then, as you state in the article you refer to: what happened with the only celebrity of which we are ‘sure’ that he was on Epstein’s list (sure between brackets because the meanstream confirmed this). Well, his mom, the Queen, cancelled his birthday party and that’s it! That is pure mockery.

Finally, what makes one think that any of this story would get published if it is against the interest of the oligarchy? Which it of course isn’t!

In short: it’s a bullshit story

Ort
Ort
Dec 21, 2023 7:29 PM
Reply to  Willem

FWIW, I agree with Willem. I guess I ought to pause for the usual disclaimer(s): I have no reason to doubt that the notorious Epstein and his “friends” and “clients” are (or were) predatory monsters and the scum of the earth. And I believe that some aspects of Epstein’s background, and especially his fake-suicide elimination, are genuinely newsworthy.

But despite the insistence that the Epstein Saga, or the mass-media attention devoted to it, is eminently compelling and deserves full attention because it reveals a seamy underside to the nexus of power, money, and geopolitics, in the event the reporting is generally trash-tabloid titillation, leveraged by McCarthyesque lurid innuendo.

The List™ seems to be a springboard, or pretext, for the “gotcha” question, “Are you now, or have you ever been, a visitor to ‘Epstein Island’?”

Even assuming that Epstein was indeed a diabolical steward or proprietor of an, er, hotbed of overclass sexual predation and abuse, the media confines itself to fitfully providing incendiary scraps of fuel for scurrilous innuendo. 

For instance: I have no respect or sympathy for the Ziocaine-addled RFK Jr. But it’s appalling and pathetic to subject him to a heavy-breathing, insinuating inquisition about the supposed revelation that he flew on Epstein’s plane. 

He’s just one example, but it seems obvious that no one is providing hard (i.e. competent) evidence of actual high low crimes and moral turpitude. And, put another way, it seems fairly certain that the overclass monstrous criminals and evildoers who were “players” in Epstein’s operation have been, and will generally continue to be, shielded, protected, and formally ignored by law enforcement and the judiciary– notwithstanding the usual tactic of pushing out a few scapegoats now and then to justify perpetuating the contrived inquisition and hold the public’s interest

Instead, we have this perpetual Keystone Kops “fire drill” whirlpool of recurring innuendo, and Named parties– who may indeed be culprits– being hounded on the basis of fragmentary factoids just to keep the sensationalism pot simmering and boiling.

Shorter version: The List™ is a MacGuffin*.
_________________________________________

* MacGuffin: “an object, event, or character in a film or story that serves to set and keep the plot in motion, and within the story is considered extraordinarily meaningful or valuable despite it lacking actual intrinsic value or importance”. 🤨

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 22, 2023 2:46 AM
Reply to  Ort

Well, you have the McMartin Preschool scandal in Los Angeles that targeted the defendants Buckley’s whose careers were totally destroyed and it dominated the news as I was living in the area through the mid-80s.

Later it was found out that all of the evidence and testimony was fabricated.

ALL of it. Which is remarkable in itself, but very telling here.

The Billionaire Boys Club of MSM is going to turn out to be boys who cried wolf just too incessantly.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 22, 2023 3:24 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

This entry on the 1980s McMartin Preschool Trials should shine supernovas of light (at least) on these issues:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMartin_preschool_trial

[As a curious fun fact, Margaret Talbot is quoted here from “The Devil in the Nursery” which I noted just now, and is the sister of David Talbot (“The Devil’s Chessboard” 2015) my schoolmate of 5 years at Harvard School, though oddly we never spoke, even though we were the two mags rival editors (too spooky).

His brother, Steve, later a documentarian for PBS, gave me my ride to school 1st day. September 1964. Both in our stiff new US Army ROTC full dress uniforms. [He was a lofty senior, I was just 12.] Only time I ever saw him face to face, also.

Hmmmm.

“Bizarre. Bizarre? Vous avez dîtes bizarre? Comme c’est bizarre!”

ariel
ariel
Dec 22, 2023 7:30 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Dans le monde ‘Bizarro’ toutes les choses deviennent ‘bizarre,’n’est-ce pas?

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 23, 2023 9:56 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Or, as Hunter [S] Thompson loved to openly opine, gonzo-ly:

“When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.”

Sometimes I feel that the better angels of our nature groomed us for that, from the get; but always they had some salvific purpose in mind, at heart, even for their unsharpest tools in said shed.

An eternal ingenu. So best live in the moment.

Or, as at certain peak moments he put it:

“When the roughage gets going, the going gets rough…”

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 22, 2023 2:41 AM
Reply to  Willem

S.O.P. waves of it. Tsunamis

Mr. G.
Mr. G.
Dec 21, 2023 5:32 PM

There is one prominent client: the pathetic orange duck!! MAGA scum!!!

Paul Watson
Paul Watson
Dec 21, 2023 6:46 PM
Reply to  Mr. G.

Is that you Joe?

Crazy Carl
Crazy Carl
Dec 21, 2023 7:15 PM
Reply to  Mr. G.

Ok Hunter, go back to your dad’s office and clean up your blow.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 22, 2023 2:49 AM
Reply to  Mr. G.

Really? I thought that guy was The Penguin? They quack too. At least as much as Burgess Meredith did.

Jesus is the way
Jesus is the way
Dec 21, 2023 5:01 PM

much ado about nothing ? probably. also, there will be names of the epstein victims…typical passive aggressive judicial system

Paul Watson
Paul Watson
Dec 21, 2023 4:06 PM

The whole system is corrupt.
A few sacrificial lambs will be thrown to the wolves to give the appearance of accountability and transparency.
Much like the 2008 financial crash, not one banker saw the inside of a prison cell.
Only a young Asian lad trading out of his bedroom at his parents house was imprisoned!!
Blair and Bush responsible for the ME chaos and over a million deaths, still free.
Fauci and Big Pharma responsible for over 17 million deaths….any sign of legal proceedings to bring about some justice?
Nope, the snakes protect each other…the Epstein list will be no different.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 22, 2023 9:48 PM
Reply to  Paul Watson

And before that beating around the Bush, the prior Poppy Bush (from opium to hopium) pResided over the S&L Scandal, whose outcome & fallout resulted in countless convictions of bankster executives under prosecutor Bill Black and serious jail time (well, so we hear, at least). Many give the credit for our bankster disasters to changes made by Clinton to longstanding safeguards, and then the the W’s appt. of John Cox, our “neighbour” Newport Beach congressman, as SEC head. I had a talk in a market parking lot in 2009 with Evan Buckley, from SJC Beach nearby, who as a proud neo-con told me he was all the same shocked speechless after having dinner next to Cox at some affair. He said he couldn’t believe the turpitude and attitude. “I left wanting to hurry home and take a shower.”

Just an anecdote, one that left a neo-con dent, to remember.

Then, I had been schooled in the Valley nearby Larry Fink, czar of BlackRock, who was also in his teens down the block a ways in Van Nuys at the time. The proximity is scary enough. “You shall know them by their fruits.”

But all their fruits & largesse will pass. All things are passing, only souls remain. My two mantras.

£4£&$4$+my2¢™

Then rounding the corner in Hyde Park [Chicago] “I passed Rockefeller Chapel, where the God of the stockbrokers presides every Sunday.”

~ Saul Bellow, “Mr. Sammler’s Planet” (owtte)

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 23, 2023 12:37 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

Correction: Christopher Cox, not John H. (Dem), was the Newport Beach Republican appointed by Bush to head SEC.

But I knew that.

Paul Cardin
Paul Cardin
Dec 21, 2023 3:27 PM

Prediction: there’ll be more stiffs than people still breathing on it. Thanks 👍

Iain Davis
Iain Davis
Dec 21, 2023 1:13 PM

I hope someone can clarify because I am a bit confused about all this. What exactly are they talking about? Epstein’s “little black book” underacted and in full (90 + pages) has been freely available for years.

https://archive.org/details/jeffrey-epstein-39s-little-black-book-unredacted/mode/2up

Richardtechnik
Richardtechnik
Dec 21, 2023 2:03 PM
Reply to  Iain Davis

Iain if this is Epstein’s “little black book” what does it mean ? On the 4th sheet it might be taken that all of Balliol College Oxford visited or that there was some commercial or other connection between Epstein and that place. On the other had publishing names of who physically visited the island might be more useful. Sorry if my take is simplistic.

Emails about Yoga
Emails about Yoga
Dec 21, 2023 4:26 PM
Reply to  Richardtechnik

The issue with relying on the flight logs or a little black book for the full list of visitors is that wealthy visitors also came in on their own private jets, on yachts, and via submarine (Maxwell was a sub pilot). Bet this list is a big nothing burger.

Paul Cardin
Paul Cardin
Dec 21, 2023 3:30 PM
Reply to  Iain Davis

The little black book was a list of phone contacts, whereas the client list appears to be the names of those who’ve had ‘business’ dealings with him. Hmm, what ‘business’ exactly?

NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
Dec 21, 2023 5:41 PM
Reply to  Iain Davis

I’m grateful that it was under acted, it was quite beastly enough as it was.

rangeofillusions
rangeofillusions
Dec 21, 2023 7:44 PM
Reply to  Iain Davis

Donald trump was undercover learning who was who that is why he was on the flight log., so when he became President he and the

payriots and white hats could get them all arrested and make america great again and block the federal reserve and take back control and arrest big pharma executive.

trust the plan.……

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Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 22, 2023 10:09 AM

…and the pedos are all arrested. Trust me.

judith
judith
Dec 22, 2023 12:29 PM
Reply to  Iain Davis

Thank you, Iain! I was about to write the same comment.
I read that little black book years ago. Around about 2016.
It was before anyone knew who Epstein was. I’m not sure how I came upon it.
But I remember, at the time, telling a friend of mine, who lives in Florida, about this guy who recruited young girls for honey pot schemes, and that he was charged but let off with a short sentence in a private jail. About how corrupt the whole thing was.
No one had heard about him then.
I remember some of the names in that book. Addresses and phone numbers, too.
Lots of Hollywood people.
But it was only a phone book. It does not indicate that any of them went to the island.
And even if they went to the island, that they partook in any crime.
I believe I did see a flight log at some point also.
This is all such smoke and mirrors AGAIN.
I have a feeling it is the manufactured tip of the spear.
A big distraction away from the actual trafficing.
I think Epstein was a patsy.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 22, 2023 1:55 PM
Reply to  judith

Or possibly AI.

ariel
ariel
Dec 22, 2023 7:33 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Ha-ha.