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Jordan B Peterson: The Reflection I Never Wished to See

J R Leach

In the dusty corridors of intellectual exploration, I, an avid follower of Jordan B Peterson’s insights into Jungian psychology and Nietzschean philosophy, find myself confronting a recent heartbreak.

At first, I chose to ignore it, not ready for what it actually meant. But I’ve mulled over it for a bit now and have made some semblance of peace with it.

What a grisly, heartrending sight that tweet was.

Coming from the man who said this:

“It’s not always easy to distinguish the demand for vengeance from the demand for justice.”

You don’t say?

I’m not some casual ‘fake fan’, either, taking some easy jabs now the tides have turned. In a particularly nihilistic, self-destructive period of my life, he helped me steady myself and take a good introspective look at my motivations. I was astonished, then, to learn how little I really knew myself.

And I’ll always be grateful to the man for that if nothing else.

But, as I should have known, idols are always false. And in deifying the man, what I’d actually done was blind myself to all the tell-tale signs of his downfall.

Moving to Dailywire, being the main one.

And then, on October 7th, 2023:

”Give ‘em hell, Netanyahu. Enough is enough.”

Something broke when I read that. Something that can’t be fixed. Hundreds of hours spent watching his lectures, reading his books, taking his personality tests and his Self-authoring program; I did it all; the man was always in my life; I always had a lecture on the go, a book in my backpack, his words as a mantra in dark days, pretty much every day for five years.

And then…

“Give ‘em hell, Netanyahu…”

And suddenly, I can’t even stomach a YouTube short if Professor Peterson comes scrolling by. Not even from my favourite lectures—not his biblical series, not his talks on Jung, not his analysis of fairytales—nothing.

The mask has been lifted, and it cannot be unseen.

Peterson’s teachings, rooted in the wisdom of great minds like Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, Carl Jung and Friedrich Nietzsche, have been a beacon in dark times, granting me some much-needed grounding and moral clarity. I’ve absorbed his insights on the dangers of ideological fanaticism, the importance of individual responsibility, and the perils of surrendering to corrupt authority. Peterson’s extensive studies on tyrants, his philosophical explorations into the rise of Nazi Germany, and his warnings about the capacity of ordinary people to become brutal enforcers have been invaluable lessons that shaped my worldview.

But alas, it seems the hero, who tirelessly dissected the complexities of authoritarianism and corruption, has lived long enough to become a villain, leaving me to reconcile the contradiction between the mentor I thought I knew and the political endorsement that seems to run counter to his teachings—which then, by extension, brings the teachings themselves into question.

Which I cannot help but resent a little. But I know resentment is a waste of breath, and holding onto it burdens no one but me, especially if there’s nothing you can do about it. So best to let it go.

But then, guess who taught me that?

You betcha, bucko.

Peterson has been a steadfast advocate for self-examination and the relentless pursuit of truth. I’ve grappled with my own shortcomings, continually striving to embody the virtues he extolled. Yet, the dissonance between Peterson’s espoused principles and his public endorsement challenges the very core of the philosophy that urged me to rise each day, clean my room, and confront the chaos within and without.

This disillusionment is potentially very damaging, as I can imagine lots of people are feeling this way. And it feels akin to betrayal or the loss of a loved one; it wreaked havoc on my morale, certainly.

And I am sure, as well, that Peterson will have amassed many militant followers by now, who will treat everything the man says as gospel, contradictions be damned.

But I do believe ideas descend from a higher plain than us highly fallible human beings, so I hope all those who saw the wisdom in his words also see the wisdom in keeping a little distance between a very mortal, very flawed man and the philosophies he handed down.

Peterson’s meticulous dissection of Solzhenitsyn’s work, for example, is not congruent with his unequivocal support for Netanyahu. The intricacies of the situation demand nuanced, unbiased analysis, yet Peterson’s endorsement rings with an almost automated simplicity that raises questions about his application of psychological insights to the complexities of real-world geopolitics.

Namely, where is this application? Where is the investigation into the political landscape or the history that shaped this conflict? The US Government’s vested interests in the state? How Israel was founded in the first place?

Or maybe just exploring what the psychological impact of an endless, inter-generational, ever-spiralling cycle of war and vengeance might be…

Now, I don’t have a doctorate or anything, so don’t quote me on this, but I’m pretty sure the conclusion would be “pretty bloomin’ horrid.”

If he cannot treat the political landscape with the same depth and honesty as the psychological one, then he really has no business being there. There are already plenty of gung-ho shills who’ll justify any atrocity/war crime/occupation if some faceless, corporate or governmental body promises them their own Talk Show along with their thirty silver.

Is that all he is now?

Judging by his Twitter feed, yes. It seems he just throws tweets into the ether to generate reactions, to make people cross and upset, whether they are in agreement or not—

And always
in this weird, janky
way, for some
reason.

It all suddenly seemed quite two-dimensional, as though all these social justice crusades were just distractions—an established opposition to the madness of the left to keep some illusory semblance of equilibrium in the political sphere while hidden hands torch the world from the shadows.

Could it be that JBP can see corruption on an individual level but cannot see it a little higher in the political/global stratosphere?

Wishful thinking, perhaps.

Maybe he has been a shill the whole time, just waiting to be ‘activated’ by his handler.

Maybe this is what he genuinely believes, which, if so, makes him so monumentally naive that it verges on the insane.

The call for individual responsibility and the eternal recurrence appears at odds with the endorsement of ‘one side over another’, where ‘his side’ is entangled in controversy and secrecy with allegations of corruption, genocide and warmongering. The juxtaposition is striking, and the absence of nuanced, honest investigation accentuates the dissonance.

For the sake of argument, let’s say the Hamas attack happened exactly as it was reported; Hamas raped and tortured and kidnapped upwards of 2,000 people and sauteed and cannibalised a thousand babies, all while laughing to their friends about it—let us say that Israel is 100% the victim—Peterson would still know, surely, that a violent response would not only murder, maim and displace thousands of Palestinian civilians but also endanger or outright murder the Israeli hostages as well.

This means the whole affair is not about saving lives or preserving peace but rather the dishing out of vengeance—a revenge served so cold that perhaps his hope is that it’ll act as a pallet cleanse?

Adding another layer to this ideological shitshow is the orchestrated anti-Muslim sentiment that permeated social media in the wake of this news.

Twitter (X) has become even more of a cesspool than it was before.

YouTube luminaries like Ben Shapiro and Douglas Murray, known for their ‘intellectual’ perspectives, contributed to a vitriolic campaign that departed from the reasoned discourse they had promoted previously. Murray’s “The Madness of Crowds” takes an ironic turn as he now steadfastly fans the flames of an online mob, dialling up the rhetoric to an alarming 11.5.

Labelling, unironically, any pro-Palesitian demonstrations as ‘hate marches’, which is exactly the hysterical, censorious label these ‘right-of-centre’ types used to stand firmly against. It’s incredibly sad to see Douglas Murray day in and day out, selling his soul in real time as he guns for Piers Morgan’s job.

Imagine selling your integrity to ITV. Jesus wept.

The coordinated effort by these right-leaning voices, advocating a campaign that amplifies rather than quells the madness of crowds, feels like a departure from the principles of introspection, nuance, and individual responsibility they once championed. The irony is palpable as a wave of self-righteous fury emanates from these intellectual spheres, drowning out the very principles they once held dear.

Or said they held dear, anyway.

In this tumultuous sea of political and ideological discord, followers are tasked with navigating the storm while staying true to the principles that first drew them to these intellectual figures. The room may be clean, but the battleground of ideas is cluttered with contradictions, leaving us to ponder whether this storm is a fleeting squall or a harbinger of a more profound transformation in the landscape of online ‘intellectual discourse’.

I have a rather cynical feeling that everything is going as planned. Divide and conquer.

As I grapple with this fresh feeling of despondency, I am reminded of the wisdom in that age-old adage:

“Never meet your heroes, for in their humanity, they may reveal a reflection you never wished to see.”

No more heroes.

I’ll walk this path alone a while.

JR Leach is a fantasy author and graphic designer whose debut novel The Farmer and the Fald was published late last year. You can follow him on Twitter or Substack and see more of his work on his website

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SJames
SJames
Feb 29, 2024 9:49 AM

You are not alone. I share your feelings. I still listen to him, selectively. I follow him. I’ve learned from him, but I was never him nor trying to be him. There are too many facets to a person to dismiss all for the sake of one, but then this revelation feels like a betrayal so grave, on a matter so abjectly and abundantly clear as to the side of right and the side of wrong that I suppose yes it does cast doubts over his fundamental, foundational morals and perspectives. For what it is worth, I’ve long suspected his plunge into Christianity was fuelled by trauma and he has a long way to go to actually understand why it is that he has gone that way, and not yet actually personalised what it means to have done so. His academic and philosophical attachment to religion is clearly not enlightening his views in any spiritual sense.

Adams
Adams
Feb 22, 2024 9:58 PM

Thanks for your article, which I read with great interest. Very well written indeed. I too have devoured Jordan’s teachings and lectures and long long long debates with various others. And I too am very surprised and thrown out of sorts by the absolute incongruence to everything I thought I knew about him and how he would react to something like this. I was taken aback by his comment on the Hamas attack in Israel. Gob-smacked to be honest. Where the bleep did that come from?

James
James
Feb 6, 2024 12:01 PM

Feet of clay…..was ever thus.

willfulknowledge
willfulknowledge
Jan 31, 2024 2:40 PM

Just another Jew hating hand wringer. Hamas has sworn themselves to the destruction of Israel and the death of all Jews, consistent with the Koran. Bibi has little choice. The Israeli government should have never assumes Hamas was a legitimate negotitiating adversary and the West should have never concluded they were fit to rule Gaza.

James
James
Feb 6, 2024 12:01 PM

sure, Hamas, the big baddies, with their sticks and stones and glorified bottle rockets, compared to the IDF, the best equipped, at the US tax payers expense, military in the region, with their F-16’s, Abrams tanks and even nuclear armed submarines…
Israel are an illegal military occupying force, they have no rights whatsoever.
And never forget Hamas was created BY Israel, and funded and equipped by them until very recently.

Kerri
Kerri
Jan 29, 2024 6:46 PM

Peterson, whatever he really is, wants nothing more than to push his daughter into the light and millions $$$ quarter. He does not have to care about his own financial future now. People will do anything at all for their children. He has been pushing her out for some time now. Anyone who gets the attention that Peterson got has someone pushing them. Ever tried to become a world name?

Neddy
Neddy
Jan 27, 2024 8:41 PM

What you describe in this article is a similar kind of disappointment to the one I had during the pandemic. See, I’m Catalan and was an eager supporter of the independence movement back in the day. We all marched for freedom and shared this beautiful romantic vision of taking our sovereignty back from the hands of this post-facist state that Spain is.

At this point, anybody reading this comment that is not Spanish should know that after the death of fascist dictator Franco, Spain did not turn into a democracy through a bottom up organic process by the people. Rather, a constitutional monarchy was engineered by the powers that be and closely monitored by what we now know as globalism. So fascists simply dressed themselves up as democrats and gave up a controlled degree of power. It was called a “transition”, but people sarcastically call it a “transaction”.

We, the secessionists, would sing songs and cheer “freedom!”. We wanted out. But independence didn’t happen, and a couple years later came covid. Imagine my utter shock when I realized that those very same “freedom warriors”, my brothers and sisters, were mindlesslly complying with the covid orders. In a very ironic turn, when allowed back on the street after the lockdowns, they even revived some of their petty demonstrations to proudly stand for freedom all masked up and socially distanced.

So yeah my friend, shit happens, but it will definitely make you wiser!

Berlin Beerman
Berlin Beerman
Jan 25, 2024 11:55 PM

Jordan Peterson is another degenerate disappointment. Along with all his online social media buddies, for the most part they all follow the same line when it comes to zionism and Israel.

Noting to be surprised about. Just make a mental note the next time this idiot decides to tell you how you should think.

Martynas
Martynas
Jan 22, 2024 6:18 AM

“the wisdom of great minds like Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn,” .. Solzh and wisdom…LOL..

Berry
Berry
Jan 20, 2024 3:00 AM

I’ve written a bit about the dubious funders of ARC, which Jordan is the talking head of: https://open.substack.com/pub/informedheart/p/arc-wef-rwanda-and-dodgy-daves-return

belladonna
belladonna
Jan 19, 2024 8:50 AM

All my heroes have fallen off their pedestals too. Perhaps we place too much faith in them because they seem more intelligent and worldly-wise until something like covid, Ukraine or Israel bursts on the scene and then you realise they aren’t that intelligent afterall. I find the older I get the more disappointed I become.

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Jan 20, 2024 11:56 PM
Reply to  belladonna

After one of Alexander’s many successes, the townsmen of Corinth all went to Alexander to congratulate him and shower him with praise, except for Diogenes. Impressed that Diogenes did not behave like the rest of the townsfolk, Alexander decided to visit Diogenes and grant him a wish. When Alexander reached Diogenes and asked him if he would like anything, Diogenes replied with “Yes. Stand out of my light.” Impressed with Diogenes’ reaction, Alexander exclaimed “Truly, if I were not Alexander, I would wish to be Diogenes.” To which Diogenes responded, “If I were not Diogenes, I too would wish to be Diogenes.”

Thom 9
Thom 9
Jan 18, 2024 11:33 PM

“You’ve got to serve somebody…it maybe the devil or it maybe the lord…”-Bob Dylan
JP stooping for the goop like a pro. No surprise here.

Berlin Beerman
Berlin Beerman
Feb 3, 2024 3:07 AM
Reply to  Thom 9

Do you think you could come up with someone else to quote other than Dilan or what ever the hell his name was?

i’d suggest Roger Waters perhaps?

Joe Van Steenbergen
Joe Van Steenbergen
Jan 18, 2024 9:26 PM

You’re not alone; I too admired and listened to JBP’s lectures and world-spanning talks, and I learned a lot from him. I won’t go so far as to say he was a hero to me; I really don’t find anyone in this world who is worthy of that kind of devotion from me.

I think his illness and addiction changed him, and certainly his fame and burgeoning wealth made him a different person. Like you, I was absolutely shocked at his public support of the Israeli genocide. What makes his support worse is that it comes from someone whom millions of people admire and respect. To the extent that these fans do not support Israel, he has created a rather large amount of cognitive dissonance among his followers. Like you and me, they will wrestle with the blatant and shocking contradictions between his teachings and his public support of genocide, no matter which side is doing the killing.

Rob
Rob
Jan 18, 2024 8:37 PM

He’s an asshole hipocrite… Went to Russia to hide his benzo rehab.
Wants no online anonymity.
Softball interview with Bibi is why, they blasted his bullshit.
Fuck that guy, he’s a grifter

Adams
Adams
Feb 22, 2024 10:15 PM
Reply to  Rob

No, he went there to have coma treatment to combat his addiction because Russia is the only place where he could find doctors who would perform the treatment. I don’t think anything was hidden there at all, he talks about it at length in interviews from years ago.

Lone Wolf
Lone Wolf
Jan 18, 2024 8:19 PM

Thank you for that, I have felt the same way for some time. This observation caught the essence of my assessment:

yet Peterson’s endorsement rings with an almost automated simplicity that raises questions about his application of psychological insights to the complexities of real-world geopolitics.’

Just_a_Dude
Just_a_Dude
Jan 18, 2024 11:53 AM

“It all suddenly seemed quite two-dimensional, as though all these social justice crusades were just distractions”

I was also a fan of Peterson’s work. Seems like when the Israel flag took center stage you noticed a lot of the mouth pieces you aligned yourself with, during the COVID heist suddenly flipped. This is the crux of the matter. Create narratives so you can divide people and it will be much easier to control them.

Tom
Tom
Jan 18, 2024 6:34 AM

Premise 1: This website supports Palestine.
Premise 2: Jordan Peterson has made it apparent he supports Israel.
Conclusion: He ain’t no hero no more.

Er… may I suggest you study a bit of Islam, perhaps to help you in acquiring a more balanced view?

Tim
Tim
Jan 18, 2024 8:17 AM
Reply to  Tom

1: Does this website support Palestine?
2: Jordan Peterson chose a side in a very choppy, complicated conflict, breaking his own principle.
Conclusion: he’s not THIS guys hero no more.

Grow up.

belladonna
belladonna
Jan 19, 2024 8:54 AM
Reply to  Tom

What has Islam to do with anything – people are being deliberately murdered by Israelis for their land and gas fields! It seems you need to acquire a more balanced view!

The Fleecer
The Fleecer
Jan 18, 2024 12:44 AM

Heroes are for children. We all need to grow up and use a critical eye on all those who would guide us. I like most of what Peterson says, but I can understand why that tweet shocked you, what an asshole! It just goes to show how anyone who becomes in any way mainstream will be corrupted.

Pjc
Pjc
Jan 17, 2024 7:11 PM

Personally I’m with the Hopi:

‘We are the people we have been waiting for’.

Wachtower
Wachtower
Jan 17, 2024 11:29 AM

All masks will be off! Peterson has been transformed into a puppet and mouth piece of the cabal long time ago. He was too vocal and popular not to be blackmailed and threatened and to be used as the idiot that he turns out to be!

Jacob
Jacob
Jan 18, 2024 9:45 AM
Reply to  Wachtower

Maybe, if they are the genuine article they don’t survive. So, most commentators who appear to be against tyranny will sooner or later be shown up. They are triangulating in order to stay in the game. Equally, they appear to be against tyranny and are found to be nudge-nudging doubters into acquiescence. Yes, why struggle against the tyrants, eh. It comes down to a personal journey. Each to their own. As for self-promoting Peterson; why is he made out to be such an important figure?

Rob
Rob
Jan 18, 2024 8:38 PM
Reply to  Wachtower

He’s always been a puppet… Gaslighting people for their own bad economy as if he grew up in these times
Boomer needs to go away

Vagabard
Vagabard
Jan 16, 2024 9:19 PM

The ‘meta question’, of course, would be how (the hell) would someone be deluded into putting a Paul Tillich (creation-denying, ‘higher critic’) offshoot on their hero list in the first place?

Does that not reflect a basic moral deficiency on the part of the hero-worshipper? The proverbial defective BS-detector in need of an update??!

Name-dropping, book-dropping Solzhenitsyn and Nietzsche, as if they were equals on the philosophical stage, not helping to improve intellectual credentials imho:

David Bowie – Heroes

Joe Van Steenbergen
Joe Van Steenbergen
Jan 18, 2024 9:29 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

We just don’t make good music like this any more.

Vagabard
Vagabard
Jan 18, 2024 9:49 PM

Indeed. The same for comedy

Angie
Angie
Jan 16, 2024 7:14 PM

Happy for your loss.. But why would anyone make a hero out of peterson? His speeches are word salads; one isn’t left with anything at the end. I don’t think he ever understood Jung either. Jung is a mystery: you can’t analyze his work; can’t explain it: the encounter with Jung’s work is a personal, unique, experience. Anyway, who’s peterson?

Vagabard
Vagabard
Jan 16, 2024 9:40 PM
Reply to  Angie

Spot on. Hands up who googled ‘Peterson’. No shame in admitting it…

Paul
Paul
Jan 16, 2024 10:35 PM
Reply to  Angie

He’s a ‘shredder’. Plays a lot of notes really fast and stupid people are fooled into thinking it’s profound. Whereas, it’s nonsense.

Rob
Rob
Jan 18, 2024 8:39 PM
Reply to  Angie

He’s the right version of the assholes on the left

backalleycat
backalleycat
Jan 16, 2024 6:43 PM

If you know his name, he’s in the game!

Adams
Adams
Feb 22, 2024 10:20 PM
Reply to  backalleycat

Richard D Hall – now who’s he?

Vagabard
Vagabard
Jan 16, 2024 6:21 PM

“In times of anti-semitism, tweeting anything pro-Israel is a revolutionary act”
(Orwell (attributed) + latest updates)

Downvotes serving to prove the point, of course  😀 

Paul
Paul
Jan 16, 2024 10:36 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

Um, the Israelis murdering Palestinians are not semites.

Vagabard
Vagabard
Jan 16, 2024 11:18 PM
Reply to  Paul

Close (perhaps, 5-outta-10 for effort), but think a little deeper …

zipit
zipit
Jan 16, 2024 3:57 PM

David Icke is as crazy as the proverbial shithouse rat. This guy is way,way,wayyy out there on a host of issues. He is good for a chuckle at times however.

Vagabard
Vagabard
Jan 16, 2024 6:39 PM
Reply to  zipit

12-foot-lizards secretly ruling the world is stretching people’s credulousness a bit too far. But yeah, he’s good for a chuckle

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Jan 16, 2024 10:24 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

Lizards: cold blooded-predators.

Take it literally or figuratively.

Pjc
Pjc
Jan 17, 2024 7:06 PM
Reply to  zipit

And yet predicted, almost in complete totality, the world as it now is.

Perhaps a redefining of ‘bat shit crazy’ is required my friend?

Drew
Drew
Jan 16, 2024 1:15 PM

I knew he wasn’t what I had hoped when he went out and got jabbed right away. Ultimately it doesn’t matter. He is just another man trying to navigate through the chaos.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Jan 16, 2024 4:55 PM
Reply to  Drew

Seeing how frequently certain people whose videos we sometimes post here get called out as a ‘shill’, I wish people could be this diplomatic consistently! A2

Susan
Susan
Jan 16, 2024 12:24 PM

The key to not becoming shattered or any emotion greater than mildly disillusioned when someone’s true character is unmasked is to stop using the word ‘follower.’ Or, to make the concept more ‘pallet-able,’ ‘follow’ their work, not them.

Zbyszek
Zbyszek
Jan 16, 2024 7:35 AM

Don’t be too harsh for mr. Peterson. He has his life which is founded on DalyWire and his friends in that endeavor. Without them, he would lose his life, which he tries to save. Sometimes a man stands before hard choice who to believe? Jesus Christ with his claim than saving live means losing it or these heroes of Peterson like Nietzsche and others that propose to one is to save his live over everything else.

urphenomenon
urphenomenon
Jan 16, 2024 1:18 PM
Reply to  Zbyszek

Hard choices… this is what comes to mind when thinking about Kennedy Jr and his jewish wife.

Vagabard
Vagabard
Jan 16, 2024 7:02 PM
Reply to  Zbyszek

Good point. The real hero thinks beyond self-perpetuation

Freddy
Freddy
Jan 16, 2024 3:26 AM

Grampa Andy plays the last blues. It’s time to go and close the coffin lid from the inside. All the good times, where have they gone? Even in Berlin, people still knew who was friend and who was foe (their own countrymen, just like today). Oh what stupid camels we are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFPs4yEYmqg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjRjHllphU0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCUpNfNOAUQ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Norden

Vagabard
Vagabard
Jan 17, 2024 12:32 AM
Reply to  Freddy

Push upwards. The only way to go

Alex
Alex
Jan 16, 2024 2:05 AM

“The mask has been lifted, and it cannot be unseen”

Totally agree, he has gone from wise empathetic voice of reason to a shrill bootlicker of Israel and Zionists.

I cannot stand the man anymore.

Decker
Decker
Jan 16, 2024 1:34 AM

Thank you for that article. Sincerely. Obviously no one is perfect, and people should stop thinking that one person, or any human, is going to be the source of all answers to life’s problems. The real trick here is, now that a problem with someone’s thinking has been identified, will you invest the same skill, time, and talent that you used to write that article and apply that to changing Jordan’s mind? I know it’s tough. I mean, for example, I tried to send you, JR Leach, this message privately but your contact information wasn’t readily available. So I can imagine it might be a bit of a challenge to have a meaningful discussion with Jordan in such a manner that would provide the situation or opportunity to change his mind…but are you going to try? Anyway, thanks again for that “reflection.”

Hugh O'Neill
Hugh O'Neill
Jan 16, 2024 12:28 AM

As others have noted already, too many of those whom once we considered champions of decency and common sense have let us down e.g. RFK Jr.; Assange – (denial of 9/11); Pilger (9/11 and Covid); JP Sears – support for Netanyahu; Chumpsky – “who cares who killed JFK?” etc.
None of this makes sense and does not fit with the their supposed moral stature thus the best we can hope for is that anyone who attracts any following will be ‘corrupted’ by TPTB – whether by bribery or blackmail. Even Jesus was tempted by Satan until his overpowering dismissal “Get thee behind me, Satan”. Not sure how useful that is though on one’s moral arsenal…

judith
judith
Jan 16, 2024 12:46 PM
Reply to  Hugh O'Neill

JP Sears? OMG. I haven’t watched him in a while, but wow. What the heck?
I am not a follower of Peterson, thought I’ve watched him a few times over the years.
But I experienced the same disappointment when watching the Jimmy Dore interview with RFK Jr in August.
Jaw dropping, heartbreaking.
Like your feelings and experience wth Peterson, I, too, am grateful for having listened to RFK Jr since 2020. Every interview I could find. Also, his Children’s Health Defense site. I have learned sooooo much. It turned me around. And saved me from that murderous shot.
I attended his Presidential candidacy announcement in Boston. I did not expect him to win but I was hopeful and excited that his message about all the corruption in our government and agencies would be exposed at the very least, and possibly dealt with.
I was hopeful his knowledge of pharma and Fauci and the rest of them would wake a few people.
How wrong and disillusioned was I.
I do not read the daily emails from Team Kennedy anymore. I have not watched one speech. Unfortunately, it has become politics as usual.
I can’t believe he believes what he is saying about Israel/Palestine.
I think you have a very mature approach to your disappointment, Mr. Leach, and I hope I emulate the same with my feelings about RFK Jr.
I wish Mr. Kennedy well and I wish him safety. (Maybe that’s what this is all about)
I still watch and listen to Children’s Health Defense. Many warriers there who have been fighting the fight years before 2020.

Researcher
Researcher
Jan 15, 2024 11:10 PM

Enough of us already know that left vs right, men vs women, white vs black, Communism vs Capitalism, Israel vs Palestine, Russia vs Ukraine and Allies vs Hitler are all psyops. They’re distract then divide and conquer mechanisms courtesy of Tavistock, CityOfLondon, DC, and the Vatican.

It’s always bread and circuses (or poisoned needles) for the debt slaves. With some deliberate culling of the herd included in the last orchestrated, fabricated, coordinated World War. Meaning Hitler, Mussolini, Hirohito, Churchill, FDR, Stalin et al were all in cahoots. And the latest Hamas vs Israel con game isn’t any more believable. 

Nothing Peterson ever said was genuine. He’s as phony and as obvious as it gets. The controlled opposition shills from Zizek to Pilger, from Assange to Snowden, from Peterson to his other pals on the Intellectual Dark Web (excuse me while I laugh) group of Masonic buffoons aren’t fooling anyone except the knuckle dragging, beer guzzling, YouTube watching masses. 

Are you claiming you were fooled too? Because I’m 99% sure you’re in on the con, as are the other “contributors” that keep trying to persuade readers that invisible pathogens that have never even been found, are actually real.

Governments are all owned by the same cartel, as are all the banks, all the courts, all the major corporations, all professional associations and all the militaries.

Thom 9
Thom 9
Jan 19, 2024 4:28 AM
Reply to  Researcher

Spot on!

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jan 15, 2024 10:36 PM

If you want to even attempt to see clearly you have to abandon the left/right dichotomy. It exists to keep you from doing so. I knew in March of 2020, that most people who were even beginning to see thru the Covid scam to some extent would be drawn to or pushed to the right. That is your only choice if you buy into the Duopoly. My long time axiom about US politics is that the most corrupt party in the country is whatever party is in power. (I recognize that Trump’s presidency may be an exception to that rule, but that is why TPTB cannot allow him to be POTUS again.) The party out-of-power will invoke the Constitution, rule of law and support for freedom of speech. That’s what the Democrats did when W was in office for all the good it did. The Dem base screamed for charges of war crimes against the Bush administration, but Obama sagely advised we must “look forward not backward” and thereby absolved the Neocons of the war crimes against Iraq and Afghanistan to say nothing of the crimes against the Constitution that post-9/11 policies have been and continue to be. For 3 years the right wing pundits seemed to be the few people of principle, decrying censorship and appearing to be stalwart supporters of the 1st Amendment. October 7th 2023 roles around and with very few noteworthy exceptions (i.e. Tucker Carlson), the Right has demonstrated they are not to be outdone when it comes to hypocrisy and have called for censorship of anyone who challenges Israel’s policy. When did “America First” get replaced by Israel First? Now both the left and right are calling for censorship. A totalitarian state cannot exist without it.

Freddy
Freddy
Jan 15, 2024 9:27 PM

Rabbi Abraham Cooper, Director of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, is currently in Berlin. He is also a representative of an organization for religious freedom. He says that the SWC wants to move its activities from Paris to Berlin next year, as Germany will be at the forefront of the fight against terrorism in Europe in the future. The prevailing anti-Semitism in Germany has “crossed a red line.”

(Who defines this line? “American” Jews, of course!) However, he was primarily referring to the “imported” variant, namely the hatred of Jews among Palestinians, which is fueled in particular by Iran. His role model is Simon Wiesenthal, who lost 89 [in words: eighty-nine!] of his relatives in the Holocaust, but never his faith in the German youth, in whom we should invest.

By “investment”, he probably means above all the systematic brainwashing through the permanent hammering in of atrocity tales by the Holocaust industry. Organizational support for Palestinian refugees should be stopped immediately and prohibited, Cooper said. It was a disgrace what was happening at American universities, where an anti-Semitic class had developed thanks to years of generous funding from Qatar.

The main enemy, however, is Iran. That is why it is particularly important to him that Germany ceases its diplomatic and economic relations with the country. Meanwhile, the Springer press, whose main owner is the Jewish investment firm “Kohlberg Kravis Roberts”, is stoking fears that Russia will soon want to start a war with Europe.

https://nypost.com/2024/01/15/news/germany-preparing-for-russia-to-start-world-war-3/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-67974067

Molybdenum
Molybdenum
Jan 15, 2024 7:24 PM

(Reposting from previous article, when meant for here. Will try with one link this time.)

Polly St George (amazingpolly.net) did a very good 3-part exposé of Jordan Peterson last year. Post comment button wouldn’t work with links so trying just titles to look up (BitChute)

JORDAN PETERSON’S WEF DREAMS

LISTEN BUCKO, PETERSON IS CONTROLLED OP – ANSWER COMMENTS & GOING IN TO MORE DETAIL

SURPRISE! JORDAN PETERSON’S “ARC” WAS BUILT FOR (AND BY) BILLIONAIRES

https://www.bitchute.com/video/6eNKpKbWqTHs/

Sofia
Sofia
Jan 16, 2024 6:15 AM
Reply to  Molybdenum

Great take down of JP – honestly the way he’s idolised and you just scratch a little beneath the surface and it becomes quite sinister pretty quickly

Monique
Monique
Jan 16, 2024 9:57 AM
Reply to  Molybdenum

Thought of the same thing. She (Polly) has done an excelent analysis. Very thourough.
Highly recommended.

Paul Munk
Paul Munk
Jan 18, 2024 11:27 AM
Reply to  Molybdenum

Thank you for the link to Polly St George’s (Amazing Polly) editorial of Jordan Peterson. I found her analysis to be quite sound, having undertaken to verify many of her claims myself.
She’s produced a follow-up video to the one for which you provide a link.

Interesting that one of Peterson’s associates in the ARC project is hedge fund millionaire and philanthro-capitalist, Paul Marshall – founder of GB News and Unherd.

As a fan of commentary by Neil Oliver, I’ve attempted to reach out to Mr. Oliver with a caution concerning GB News’ likely subversive propaganda agenda.

Thanks for sharing.

Molybdenum
Molybdenum
Jan 19, 2024 1:24 PM
Reply to  Paul Munk

Thanks, Paul. Yes, I find her analysis mostly thorough and reliable (occasional inadvertent mistake), and glad you were able to verify what she says here. I would recommend watching all thee listed videos, but seemingly unable to post with links to all at once (having difficulty posting here at all, or getting through ‘pending’ or rescued from ‘spam’). Posting here the link to her third and I’d say most important video, to which the others provide background.

SURPRISE! JORDAN PETERSON’S “ARC” WAS BUILT FOR (AND BY) BILLIONAIRES

https://www.bitchute.com/video/SIhlWo6ePkba/

Yes Paul Marshall (now Sir) is an ‘interesting’ character, and I tried to post more information about him here a few days ago but it somehow got lost on posting, irretrievably to me so I’ll copy before posting this time.

Not only on board JP’s ARC, PM Director since 2016 of a company named Alliance for Responsible Citizenship (ARC), registered at Companies House. He has funded and is a former chairman of GB News and founded and substantially funds UnHerd. He is set to become a media mogul, with eyes on the Telegraph and Spectator. He funds the Fabian-founded London School of Economics through the eponymous Marshall Institute, where he is funding promotion of the Social Impact Accelerator programme. (Alison McDowell @wrenchinthegears.com has done brilliant in-depth research into Social Impact Investment). He founded ARK schools, a chain of UK academies. His hedge fund, set up in London in the nineties with Soros’ millions — surprise, surprise — has no doubt generated accumulating wealth to provide his own funding for these projects, in line with the interests of other WEF-type globalists and philanthropaths. His son, Winston, a former band member of Mumford and Sons, is a journalist and cultural activist.

There are many other interesting and dodgy associations with JP’s ARC, and the Legatum one also has links to the fire-sale of Russian state assets after the USSR break-up. Polly goes into all this in her third video.

For anyone interested in Polly’s other research check her website. Her output has been much reduced in the past year and is mostly now audio as she has eyesight problems. Her stuff on Epstein and the Maxwell family, particularly in relation to the control if science, is worth looking up. (Lots of surprising tentacles there too.)

Blue Tara
Blue Tara
Jan 15, 2024 6:57 PM

Jordan Peterson reminds me of ‘Jack Ashore’, the consummate sailor hero, who gets fleeced by the first leery propositioner the moment he steps off his vessel. He simply should not be let out on his own in the world of what used to be politics.

Cee Gee
Cee Gee
Jan 15, 2024 6:43 PM

This article is about 7 words of a person who published 100s of 1000s. What was Peterson’s motivation to post this? These days, people are quick to judge and cancel – unfortunately. “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.”

John Milton
John Milton
Jan 15, 2024 6:03 PM

Firstly, I don’t get the attack on Douglas Murray. He simply criticises Islam. And rightly so in my opinion. I am surprised at how many westerners seem to defend Islam.

Islam requires the genital mutilation of all males in the form of circumcision. Although not compulsory for women, it is Sunnah (recommended) and encouraged! Lovely.

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/9412/circumcision-in-islam-compulsory

If you happen to be born a homosexual, well, good luck with that. From the below page: “Some Companions said that the punishment for homosexuality is to burn the homosexuals with fire, and some of them viewed that they should be thrown down from a high place then have stones thrown at them. Some of them thought that they should be stoned to death.”

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/38622/the-punishment-for-homosexuality

Any reasonable person would reject such a vile religion for the above 2 reasons alone, let alone how they treat women and non-believers for a start.

Secondly, with regard to these ‘Palestine’ protesters which so many liberals seem to support, do you really think they are peaceful protestors who simply want a peaceful solution? They shout ‘from the river to the sea’ which really is a call for the extermination of the Jews.

If these peaceful protesters happened upon a stash of machine guns and a crowd of Jews, what do you think would happen? Handshakes?!

I guess what I am trying to say is that too many of these liberal types, especially woke types, really do not ‘get’ what these religious fanatics are like (on both sides, Jews and Muslims). They both believe 1000% in their gods and religion. I mean they actually really believe in the shit written in their respective ‘holy’ books. They despise each other, hate each other and have nothing but contempt for each other and would happily see the violent destruction of each other. It is instilled into them from birth.

I really think that many people simply to not understand this or refuse to believe it.

So according to the author of this article, it is bad for Peterson to support Israel, but OK for protestors to shout ‘from the river to the sea’.

You perhaps forget that Peterson is a ‘believer’. That will make him side with the religion closest to his perhaps. Just like muslims will side with Palestine.

Another question: if the situation was reversed and Palestine was in control of Israel, how do you think they would be treating the Jews? And if the Israelis attacked and killed hundreds of muslims in a single incident, how do you think the muslims would respond? I reckon the same or worse than Netanyahu. Heck, they are happy to murder cartoonists for simply drawing their so called prophet – and 25% of muslims in the UK agree! https://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2015/02/new-poll-shows-significant-minority-of-uk-muslims-support-attacks-on-charlie-hebdo

If Israel are killing peaceful civilians then that is wrong. If Palestine is doing the same, then that is wrong too.

They both want to live in the same area, so they should do so and do so peacefully and respectfully. Multiculturalism right?

But the nature of these religions means it will never happen.

Victor G.
Victor G.
Jan 15, 2024 7:04 PM
Reply to  John Milton

You lost me with 1000%, percent says it all, as in “cent” = 100.

Try 1000 permill, if you like hyperbole.

underground poet
underground poet
Jan 15, 2024 10:37 PM
Reply to  Victor G.

Wouldn’t that be perthou?

George Mc
George Mc
Jan 15, 2024 7:45 PM
Reply to  John Milton

How about Jewish circumcision? And if you want to rant about psychopathic religious texts, how about that good old Old Testament?

Zedd
Zedd
Jan 15, 2024 9:09 PM
Reply to  John Milton

Interesting, no mention of Christianity, its treatment of jews of the horrors Christian extremist have and continue to commit.

Of course its surprising to you to hear of westerners supporting Islam, because its the religion for brown people yes? Those on the other side of world in third world countries?

Sheesh, I dont even know where to start with this comment, its like someone googled ’10 things bad about islam and just took note of the first website they found”.

From misinterpreting the river to the see chant (Just like the mainstream media has been even though its been explain countless times in relation to occupied territories). To not knowing history at all, Jews, Christians and Muslims have had no issue living in Palestine until the Zionist came about.

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Jan 16, 2024 12:40 AM
Reply to  Zedd

“Of course its surprising to you to hear of westerners supporting Islam, because its the religion for brown people yes? Those on the other side of world in third world countries?”

Yes, it is surprising to hear of Westerners supporting Islam, because it has been antithetical and antagonistic to our native pre-Christian religions, to Christianity itself — perhaps foremost among the pillars of our collective culture — and to the post-Christian secular liberal values of our decadent, largely irreligious societies that are now in vogue. Additionally, it’s been militarily expansionist since its inception, and it has never ceased trying to make inroads into Europe.

As for being the religion of “brown” people, no one cares except people who want to virtue signal how tolerant and “nice” they are. Christianity began as a religion practiced by largely “brown” people. I was discussing with a Hindu acquaintance of mine recently about his upcoming trip to India, and all the places he was going to visit while he was there, the area of the country he was from, and what it was like to live there. I asked him if had ever visited Pakistan, and he looked at me like I was stupid. “No,” he said, “there’s no reason to go there. It’s not safe.” They’re as “brown” on one side of the border as the other, but very different peoples.

Lupa
Lupa
Jan 16, 2024 1:55 AM
Reply to  Zedd

1) Don’t turn this into a racist thing. It’s abt inhumane religious tenets.
2) This comment was not abt xianity’s hx of genocide. That goes back to The Inquisition(s).
3) These things discussed in the comment abt islam are well known – the horrific treatment of women, and persecution of homosexuals. No Google search required.
4) Blaming “Zionists” for this ongoing religious war? It’s pathetic.

Zedd
Zedd
Jan 18, 2024 3:34 AM
Reply to  Lupa

More nonsense

1) Anyone with half a brain knows most religions teaches peace and love, its always been the few people mucking it about with their own views that give it a bad image. And this goes for everything, any ideology, political movement, etc etc. It aint rocket science bud.

2) This comment was just your typical ignorant religious bash, with nothing based on actual reality, taking the few and painting it as a whole.

3) They actually are not, Islam has always treated all its followers equally, where they treated like property by most thousands of years ago Islam give women inheritance rights, the option to choose or refuse marriage, and more. But of course, if i grew up just watching mainstream media and not actually talking to muslim or reading a book, ide share the same view.

4) Religious war? Weird this religious wars always involve countries the west has destabilized or bombed to oblivion.

Your narrow views is laughable, and nothing new, at least try come up with something more original.

Vagabard
Vagabard
Jan 15, 2024 10:18 PM
Reply to  John Milton

“They despise each other, hate each other and have nothing but contempt for each other and would happily see the violent destruction of each other…”

Not strictly true. In more peaceful times, the theological differences are simply up for debate.

There are some good aspects to Islam, which put Christendom to shame. Such as its reverence for the one God. This may possibly be an offshoot of the debates around the Trinity in the early centuries AD. The Monophysites had similar attitudes from what I recall.

Also Islam takes more literally the command to not make graven images, which is reflected in their art. More patterns, than depictions of the living. That higher reverence too is worthy of respect.

Lupa
Lupa
Jan 16, 2024 1:44 AM
Reply to  John Milton

Just wanted to say that you are gonna take some heat here but I think you make good points. It’s a religious war between “the chosen ppl” and the Koran cult. Westerners should just stay out of it.

rubberheid
rubberheid
Jan 15, 2024 4:50 PM

there’s a vid from 2017 odd where he is asked to call out a certain type of humanity-hater-breed at a lecture, he actually does gasp out, kermit-like ” I can’t”.
Why he cannot is the crux of the matter.

JBP did help a lot of men, then. But he’s helping Them, now. Probably always was – like Tate??

TFS
TFS
Jan 15, 2024 4:08 PM

I believe that James Woods certainly raised a few eyebrows.

  1. “No ceasefire. No compromise. No forgiveness,” adding a hashtag, “#KillThemAll.”
  2. In another tweet, he mentioned Japan with the reference to the indegenous people of Japan. The tweet was in relation to the founding of America. I’m pretty sure he believes he’s both indegenous to both America and Israel.
John Milton
John Milton
Jan 15, 2024 6:14 PM
Reply to  TFS

People who identify in some way with Israel will support them. Just like muslims across the world will support palestine. He says #killthemall, they say ‘from the river to the sea’. No difference.

TRT
TRT
Jan 15, 2024 3:57 PM

High profile people like Peterson are always completely useless (at best) when it matters most. They ignore their own words and purported beliefs. Didn’t he tell young men to go out and get the vax? I think he later recanted, but only months later after many had listened to him and got the shot.

This guy is supposedly an ‘expert’ on totalitarianism? Don’t make me laugh.

k mc
k mc
Jan 15, 2024 3:45 PM

That’s code for, I side with the fake jews no matter what people say… I always knew he was a phony…

Ernest Judd
Ernest Judd
Jan 15, 2024 3:45 PM

I am pushing for the rescinding of the Balfour Declaration, as it is a transparently fraudulent and criminal document.

The Palestinians are the original Semites.
European descended Jews are not.

And no-one can mention the elephant in the room.

Vagabard
Vagabard
Jan 15, 2024 11:01 PM
Reply to  Ernest Judd

The Baal-worshipping Canaanites would be the original occupants of the land. Do they have prior claim?

Shem was the original Semite (by definition), as would his descendants be equally (both Arabs and the diaspora)

Paul
Paul
Jan 15, 2024 3:38 PM

Jordan Peterson: the stupid man’s smart person.

Pavel
Pavel
Jan 15, 2024 3:27 PM

if I was being generous, I’d say the jab stole his soul. But my car just failed it’s MOT so – he was always a narcissistic fake, borrowing from great philosophers with nothing to add – no original thought. And the grandiloquence to hide the bargain basement pseudo intellectualism – good riddance. Same with Chomsky.

Jin_Tonic
Jin_Tonic
Jan 15, 2024 3:17 PM

Not to sure why my comment got deleted.

SeamusPadraig
SeamusPadraig
Jan 15, 2024 3:06 PM

Go clean your room.

Sofia
Sofia
Jan 15, 2024 3:28 PM
Reply to  SeamusPadraig

That’s where I’ve been going wrong all my life, but I’m in good company, Bukowski lived in filthy conditions, in fact, I probably need to up my game, I’m far too clean and tidy in comparison, that’s probably why my writing is sh*t

fitz
fitz
Jan 15, 2024 10:50 PM
Reply to  Sofia

ah, Charles…. what a perfect role model… I think I will have that rum after all..

Andy
Andy
Jan 15, 2024 1:31 PM

I wonder if people who have never been close to an addict are more likely to be surprised by the post-hospitalized Peterson.

I could tell immediately he is not the same person and I do not allow it to negatively impact his previous work, especially in the academy.

Additionally, the people and organizations taking advantage of him have revealed themselves as dispicable creatures.

richard
richard
Jan 15, 2024 8:12 PM
Reply to  Andy

I do not allow it to negatively impact his previous work, especially in the academy.”

Yes.

If someone says 2+2=4, then in later life says 3+3=7, it doesn’t necessarily make 2+2=4 wrong.

ImpObs
ImpObs
Jan 15, 2024 12:24 PM

JP is good at what he’s studied for the virtuosos ‘10,000 hours’ but outside that specialisation he has many blind spots, and flaws. He tries to carry the kudos he’s achieved in his specialised field of study outside his lane, and falls down bigtime.I listened to a lot of his lectures, they were all in his lane, some insightful stuff. Then I watched a couple of his Q&A’s where his blind spots shon a little too brightly, e.g. He doesn’t entertain “conspiracy theories” when quenstioned about Establishment Narratives (9/11), and surprisingly, since he’s one of JP’s heros, he can’t answer questions on Solzhenitsyn’s “200 years together” either.

JP introduced me to Solzhenitsyn in his lectures, I went stright to the source material for more, when I read 200 yrs had been banned I was even more determined to find a translation, there are two translations available on the web, I found it difficult to understand why JP haddn’t read it, now I’m sure he has, but chooses not to tell, he was given the book over a year ago.

JB fails to recognise History is written by the victors. His “philosophical explorations into the rise of Nazi Germany” are sullied by this omission, e.g. failing to reconise the work of Anthony C Sutton, or the plethora of well referenced academic ‘revisionist historians’ who’s work stand in contrast to the history we’re force fed at state schools. I wonder if he’s seen Hitlers self portait of himself sat on an old stone bridge at Tavistock.

As with any source of information, just take what you like and leave the rest, especially when it’s outside their lane, understanding Pavarotti is not the best singer to cover Johhny Rotten.

Finally on Israel, a quote attributed to Upton Sinclair:<blockquote>It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.</blockquote>

Paul
Paul
Jan 15, 2024 10:07 PM
Reply to  ImpObs

That was one of his funniest (most blatant) giveaways and one which showed him to be a controlled op and a phony, faux intellectual.

Man in crowd: “Doctor Peterson, Solzehnitsyn named the real perps of the Russian Revolution. Are we in danger now since the global media is in the hands of the (same) perpetrators?”

JP: “I can’t do it. I can’t do it”.

Damn right you can’t doctor PeterSON. You’d be off that pedestal you’re on faster than you could blink.

Johnny
Johnny
Jan 15, 2024 10:19 AM

Off T, sort of.
From an Oxfam report:

‘Billionaires are today $US3.3 trillion ($4.9 trillion) richer than they were in 2020, in spite of many crises devastating the world’s economy since the decade began, including the coronavirus pandemic.‘

For Christ’s sake. Can’t they see the wood for the trees?

More here:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-15/oxfam-report-reveals-billionaire-wealth-disparity/103321562

‘Disparity’?
It’s a BIG BLACK HOLE of insidious evil.

Victor G.
Victor G.
Jan 15, 2024 7:45 PM
Reply to  Johnny

Don’t worry. It will be all taken away from “them” and redistributed.
What we need to agree on is the best way to eliminate “them” … hanging, firing squads, starvation regimes in remote freezing rededucation facilities with live feed of their agony, helicopters (luxury) that dump them in the ocean 50 miles from any landfall … the mind boggles.

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Jan 15, 2024 11:52 PM
Reply to  Victor G.

Maybe…More likely, will be taken from the old “them” and distributed to an aspirant new “them.”