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Whose Dog Was Being Wagged During Showtime Between Trump and Zelensky?

Edward Curtin

Art requires the use of imagination, but so does political and social analysis. But imagination is just a first step; it proves nothing.

Evidence is required. But imagination rules out nothing from the start. If one cannot imagine an hypothesis or a scene – no matter how seemingly implausible – to be possibly true, one will leave it unexamined or unwritten.  As Graeme MacQueen, the author of the crucial book, The 2001 Anthrax Deception, and much else, put it:

Suppose our imaginations can embrace the possibility that the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated by elements in the U.S. government. In that case what do we do next? There is no mystery. Once the imagination stops filtering out a hypothesis and allows it into the realm of the possible, it can be put to the test. Evidence and reason must now do the job. Imagination cannot settle the question of truth or falsity any more than ideology, morality, or “common sense.”

We know that in the case of the attacks of September 11, 2001 that this is precisely what did not occur. Various hypotheses were ignored and emotional patriotism held sway.  The script had been written in advance and the good and bad characters chosen.  “It was another Pearl Harbor, bin Laden did it from his cave in Afghanistan, it seemed like a movie, etc.”  And those anthrax attacks were claimed to be second stage terror attacks of these monsters, except that it turned out this wasn’t so and that the anthrax came from a U.S. government lab.  MacQueen proved in his book that this was so and that the anthrax attacks were directly linked to the those of September 11, later showing through meticulously logical and evidence-based research that both were inside jobs.

Even today, this conclusion is hard for most people to accept, for the conclusion they started with – what was planted in their brains – precluded imagining another hypothesis.  To do so was considered too outrageous – an impossibility that offended the patriotic heart.

And of course the Bush administration’s lies steamrolled any skepticism, the Patriot Act was quickly passed, and endless U.S. wars of aggression ensued, both preceding and following Colin Powell’s Academy Award performance at the United Nations. But he too was an honorable man.

They too are honorable men.

So if you sat with your mouth agape in shock at the dog and pony show in DC between Trump, the reality TV actor, and Zelensky, the comedian, who became Ukraine’s president and Trump’s apprentice in 2019 during Trump’s first term, let me suggest a bizarre possibility at a time when the bizarre has become commonplace.

Across the spectrum of opinion on the mainstream and alternative media, it is assumed without question that what took place on Friday, February 28, 2025 between Trump and Zelensky, ably assisted by Vance, should be taken at face value – in other words, as real.

The political reactions to that shouting match are what one would expect.

The Democrats are outraged that Trump (and Vance) would bully and humiliate an heroic ally who has been fighting a valiant war against the evil Russians and Putin.

Thus Democratic Senator Bernie Sanders, toeing the party war line, had this to say:

Trump criticizes Zelensky, the leader of a democratic country who is courageously fighting Russian imperialism, while he aligns himself with Putin, the dictator who started the bloodiest European war in 80 years. Sorry, President Trump. We believe in democracy, not authoritarianism.

And on the Republican side, Senator Lindsay Graham, while calling the meeting “a complete disaster” but urging continued support for the war for “democracy,” said he was never more proud of Trump:

What I saw in the Oval office was disrespectful and I don’t know if we can ever do business with Zelensky again.

These reactions have been repeated ad infinitum. They are equally absurd propaganda in the service of the U.S. elites’ Repubmocratic tandem team of imperialists.

And then there are the reactions of utter shock from all corners who call this fight an historic and a diplomatic turning point to be immortalized.

It is hard, I know, to hear an unbearable possibility: But suppose it were a performance, not just in the sense that Trump and Vance set Zelensky up, but as a coordinated reality TV show in which all the principle actors were performing from a script whose goal was the opposite of all the subsequent interpretations. A script that allowed for some improvisation, as comedians like Zelensky and reality TV stars like Trump are adept at.  Improvisations that may have gone a step too far and elicited outbursts that tarnished the performance but did not derail the overall goal of showing that the puppet-apprentice serves at the whim of the show’s host, and despite all the loot showered upon him, he could still be fired and replaced with another puppet, as the play would proceed under a new name.

As Friedrich Nietzsche wrote in Thus Spoke Zarathustra: “There are unconscious actors among them, and involuntary actors; the genuine are always rare, especially genuine actors.”

If it sounds hyperbolic to entertain such a thought, I agree. Yet I assume you would agree that we are living in hyperbolic and vertiginous times, a society of the spectacle, as Guy Debord called his famous book. A time when acting is promoted as the pinnacle of the professions, a skill requisite for spy craft, stagecraft, and political craft in equal measure.

A meaningless coincidence it no doubt is, but the famous shout down of Zelensky by Trump and Vance and Zelensky’s responses just “happened” to occur 48 hours before Hollywood’s self-celebration of the Academy Awards.

Of course I have no evidence for this hypothesis and it might sound as if I have come unhinged. But wouldn’t it serve common sense to entertain it as an alternative interpretation when hyper reality has become commonplace and the realization that we have been ruled by con men and fraudsters is widely accepted?

Over the same 48 hours, the Trump administration, that is allegedly antiwar and deeply affected by all the deaths in Ukraine, has had Secretary of State Marco Rubio expedite the shipment of $4 billion in military aid to Israel to continue its savage slaughter of Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, et al. Rubio said this is part of the $12 billion Trump has approved in arms for Israel since he took office 42 days ago. Antiwar.com has reported:

The statement came a day after the statement [sic] department approved three separate arms deals for Israel worth nearly $3 billion, which includes a huge number of 2,000-pound bombs. The biggest sale, which will likely be funded by US military aid, includes 35,529 MK-84 or BLU-117 2,000-pound [sic] bombs and 4,000 I-2000 Penetrator warheads.

Israel has used heavy bombs in strikes on residential buildings that have killed hundreds of civilians. It has also weaponized the bombs as chemical weapons after finding that dropping several of them on tunnels releases deadly carbon monoxide gas.

As I have written previously, there is far more to consider when you hear clapping for Trump’s plans to “end” the U.S. proxy war against Russia. You can end the overt war and continue the covert.

As the Roman poet Virgil, drawing on Homer and Greek mythology, tells us in his great poem The Aeneid, that after a fruitless ten year siege of Russia – I mean Troy – the Greeks built a huge wooden horse at the request of Odysseus, the “wily” one, within which they hid Odysseus and his armed men.  The Trojans, believing they were being gifted, wheeled the horse into the city, only to be shocked when in the night the Greeks emerged from the horse and destroyed Troy.

So to paraphrase a few lines from Bob Dylan about my speculation here – Don’t fear if you hear a foreign sound to your ear, it’s alright, reader, I’m only wondering – Who holds the joker in this “card game”?

I sense, said Laocoön in The Aeneid, “some crookedness is in this thing.”

Edward Curtin is an independent writer whose work has appeared widely over many years. His website is edwardcurtin.com and his new book is Seeking Truth in a Country of Lies.

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BigTiny
BigTiny
Mar 18, 2025 9:01 PM

This war is a lie. The only “war” in Ukraine is the low scale conflict in the east which began in 2014. Russia never invaded Ukraine but may do in the future. What happened to all of you guys who were exposing the fake invasion back iin 2022? Nothing has changed. Putin is a liar by going along with fooling working people around the world. Trump knows this is fake news becaue his presidency is fake news. Obama never left office

Brian Sides
Brian Sides
Mar 15, 2025 5:38 PM

Dominic Cummings exposes the extent to which Cabinet government today is complete theatre. The meetings are genuinely scripted in advance.

kevin Watson
kevin Watson
Mar 15, 2025 8:22 PM
Reply to  Brian Sides

This is standard political practice. When I lived in Korea I did some translation work for an agency with government contracts. We did a lot of biparty meetings. It was jarring to translate the minutes of an MOU that would occur upto 3 months in advance. Everything was scripted from both sides. Not just the contractual stuff, but ‘off the cuff’ remarks about the weather or the lunch they just had. The actual meeting is a vacation, all the negotiation takes place months in advance by the counterparties involved.

James
James
Mar 11, 2025 4:10 AM

Trumpet & the uSA cannot be trusted -The Russians know all this & will continue until they get unconditional surrender. Once the War mongering uSA steps to one side Russia will feel free to attack if necessary the NATO countries one by one on their own soil. Once this occurs the rest of that cowardly NATO bunch will soil their pants & do SFA about it. The Bear must be getting tired of these mosquitoes & should expect a reaction anytime soon.

forsooth
forsooth
Mar 10, 2025 7:42 PM

And what about the Unprecedented Invitation?
Is the Arms Marketeer going to give the Orange One the warlocks death Curse? Perhaps X-rays in the hotel Corridor. Perhaps traces of Plutonium in the bath Soap…so he can be sure no upper class Englishman could accidently be poisoned…
The Orange One will return to ‘America World’ and suddenly be taken tragically ill. Ironically, the terrible Pain during his last Days will be alleviated by the use of an highly potent synthetic piperidine opioid Analgesic which he himself had attempted to ban.
Pardon…I seem to be getting a little off Theme.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Mar 10, 2025 7:39 AM

Who’d have thunk it? Standing up to tyrants and bullies is popular!

I’m sure that in some people’s imagination it will part of a script written and directed by the omnipotent but never named “they”. However, if “they” really do have that much power and control, why don’t “they” just move straight to the end game? Why are “they” still messing about with the stage show?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2025_Canadian_federal_election

https://www.ekospolitics.com/index.php/2025/03/rising-nationalism-desire-for-economic-sovereignty-propels-liberals-to-five-year-high
Rising Nationalism, Desire for Economic Sovereignty Propels Liberals to Five-Year High
The “Carney Effect” could expand advantage to majority
[Ottawa – March 6, 2025] In a profound transformation of the political landscape, the Liberal Party has jumpstarted a moribund and dismal outcome at the beginning of the year to what would be a clear majority outcome if an election were held tomorrow. The principal driver has been a burgeoning national identity and search for economic sovereignty in a coming storm produced by the Trump announcements. So far, Pierre Poilievre has not been able to provide a successful pivot to these new dominant issues and whatever attempts have been made are not reversing these trends. In fact, the Liberal rise has continued even while the Conservatives have made efforts to correct their course.

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Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Mar 10, 2025 8:28 AM

When you stated recently that Putin is a Kissinger asset who conformed with the scamdemic under threat of his life, and that Covid was, in fact, a globally enacted plot to stymie and oust trump (only to opt to re-elect him during this term, for some reason), who were you suggesting ‘they’ were who implemented all this?

You’re not even trying to make sense, LIADW.

Also, placing a fog of war on reality and altering peoples’ grasp on the ‘real’ could be an extremely effective tool for population control and an end goal in itself. This societal condition, if properly maintained with a rigorous propaganda industry, could effectively disguise agendas, and indeed allow certain agendas to be snuck in place completely undetected, since it would effectively remove the capacity for self critical thought and meaningful commentary within that society.

Something to think about, many believe. A2

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Mar 10, 2025 8:49 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

I’ve been very clear on the opposing sides; that is:

Christian Zionists plus Atlantic Council
Versus
The Monolithic & Ruthless Conspiracy (MRC)
aka: Kissinger, City of London, etc

However, given that Kissinger conceded defeat on Belt & Road in May 2023, they may now be effectively working together on a clearing up and settlement operation. That operation (if real) seems to involve the destruction of MAGA. But in this destruction of MAGA, Trump is not acting out a role. Rather, his ideas of being a god-emperor have been inflated and allowed free rein.

You can check my posts. That’s what I’ve been stating!

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Mar 10, 2025 9:24 AM

This is basically a distinction without a difference, isn’t it? The main obstacle of feasibility is the concept of a coordinated global power network this large, with a power structure that is by its nature indistinct, impenetrable and secretive when viewed from lower rungs, which necessitates the use of broader generalisations when referring to it. In terms of highlighting such a power structure, terms like ‘they’ or ‘monolithic and ruthless conspiracy’ are interchangeable. Whether we exclude Christian Zionists from this umbrella term or whether we leave out just offg, it makes little difference. Joe normal will disagree with both on exactly the same grounds lol, he would say the whole concept is ridiculous and grandiose A2

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Mar 10, 2025 9:11 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Note; I’ve revised my position on Trump. That is, I know think he’s living out his delusion of being god-emperor and that the Pence & co operation has intentionally inflated this delusion.

I stated:

https://off-guardian.org/2025/03/03/ukraine-is-this-genuine-jingoism/#comment-711991
We lied, we cheated, we stole. We had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment.
The current phase of the plan is beginning to reveal itself; that is, the take-down of the Putinista faction of MAGA. There will be people placed within the Trump team who know what’s going on, but most will be unaware. I suspect that Trump is knowingly playing his assigned role, but it’s possible that he’s unwitting.
This course was probably not an original part of the plan, but was decided in the second half of 2023 following the attempted usurpation by the Putinista. Specific instances in this attempt include the partial hijacking of the GOP primary process by Charlie Kirk and Tucker Carlson; and likewise the failed coup in the ousting and selection of the House speaker. Now, however, they believe that victory is within their grasp.

The RINOs Never Learn, So They Are About to Find Out
Charlie Kirk
Feb 21, 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFa6oFS56sM

#comment-711999
Putin is a Kissinger asset; that is, he’s selected, groomed, owned, instructed by Kissinger (or Kissinger’s replacement). The original Kissinger plan (Belt & Road) was that both Pax Americana and Israel would be gone by around 2022.
The Christian Zionists and the US Atlanticists had other ideas. Hence, they launched the countering plan – which involved getting Trump elected in 2016. The scamdemic was launched in 2020 to remove Trump – as he said in February 2020. However, although Biden was apparently declared the winner in 2020, Trump invoked continuity of government.
In May 2023, Kissinger conceded defeat to Pax Americana. In 2024/25, Pompeo is dancing with the IDF and declaring victory over Iran and Iranian proxies.
We are now in a clean-up and reshaping phase. I assume they needed Trump to win, rather than Harris, so that they could dump the anti-carbon garbage and rebuild energy security. And it appears they’ve decided to destroy MAGA and return to some form of uniparty Atlanticism.

#comment-712027
They (Kissinger & co, Bilderberg, Banksters, or whatever label you want) already had the plan, the training, the installed institutions for a global pandemic. They were going to launch this plan at some point anyway. However, for it to work, it required the full alignment of the US government. Had there been such a government, the plan would have worked and humanity would now be microchipped and totally enslaved.
Instead, of using the pandemic plan for its intended purpose (i.e. global enslavement), they used it in the attempt to remove Trump. This was combined with another major plan; namely, the BLM protests. Some people (e.g. OffG writers) thought this coup attempt was going to work. I, however, expected it to fail.

#comment-712075
They threatened to kill Boris, but I very much doubt they ever needed to threaten Putin. He seems happy to comply!
With regard to Trump, he is (was?) the figurehead of a military operation. That military operation includes the NSA – hence, they track everything and everyone. To take out POTUS would require somebody on the inside – or the ability to shoot down presidential aircraft. It’s claimed they tried to down Air Force One, but failed. And even if they had taken out Trump, the military operation would have continued under Pence.

Erik Nielsen.
Erik Nielsen.
Mar 12, 2025 1:19 AM

Or Kissinger is a Putin asset, like he was a Nixon asset.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Mar 10, 2025 10:07 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

They’ve already demonstrated that over 80% of the population will line up willing to get injected with a novel and experimental technology – all because of a supposed flu virus which most people believed they had already contracted with very little if any effect. The controllers could easily have got the population microchipped if they had wanted – and they would then have full control. That is, the individual gets Pavlovian type rewards and punishments for good or bad behaviour. They might continue with the crude 1984-level propaganda, but they wouldn’t need the elaborate stage plays as implied by the Trump-Zelensky incident.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Mar 10, 2025 10:51 AM

I think you’re missing my point, I’ve addressed this elsewhere. I’d just as soon not debate over two threads, please. A2

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Mar 10, 2025 10:16 AM

I’ve named my “theys” – they are multiple. I’m asking other people to do likewise!

Penelope
Penelope
Mar 10, 2025 5:56 AM

Of COURSE it was just a performance. My lord, was there ever anything more obvious?
Even more obvious than the “assassination” attempt on Trump. When do they ever televise the private conversations between heads of state? Surely no one cd think that was an accident.

I heard only the briefest tiniest bit of this story by accident on the car radio– and the falsity leaped out at me. Media, etc can tell us ad nauseum that it was for real; I guarantee you many Americans will read it correctly.

Although, y’know, I’m not sure it matters. Think of all the not-very-convincing & even stupid hoaxes & false flags over the years. None of it has moved us any closer to figuring out what we should do to recover our lost freedoms– or those still circling the drain.

Sometimes I think they’re just mocking us. Nya Nya Nya, you can’t do anything nya nya.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Mar 10, 2025 2:56 AM

Is Rubio “performing from a script”?

Marco Rubio Appears To Have Had A ‘TOTAL LOBOTOMY’
Rebel HQ
Mar 5, 2025
A shouting match broke out in the Oval Office on Friday between President Donald Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart Volodymyr Zelensky. Though you may not have noticed, Secretary of State Marco Rubio was there as well… Comedian Ben Gleib breaks it down.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Mar 10, 2025 2:45 AM

suppose it were a performance, not just in the sense that Trump and Vance set Zelensky up, but as a coordinated reality TV show in which all the principle actors were performing from a script whose goal was the opposite of all the subsequent interpretations. A script that allowed for some improvisation, as comedians like Zelensky and reality TV stars like Trump are adept at. Improvisations that may have gone a step too far and elicited outbursts that tarnished the performance but did not derail the overall goal of showing that the puppet-apprentice serves at the whim of the show’s host, and despite all the loot showered upon him, he could still be fired and replaced with another puppet, as the play would proceed under a new name.

The problem with imaginative fictions, rather than descriptions of historical and political realties, is that they tend to contain major plot holes. So who, in your imagination, are the script writers and the directors; and what is their overall objective?

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Mar 10, 2025 8:10 AM

Oh come on, what a dishonest question when you claimed just the other day that Putin was a Kissinger asset who conformed with the scamdemic under threat of his life, and that Covid was, in fact, a globally enacted plot to stymie and oust trump, only to opt to re-elect him during this term, for some reason.

I mean talk about plot holes!! Come on, I think we can do better. A2

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Mar 10, 2025 8:28 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

I’m asking Curtin (or yourselves) to name the script writers and the directors – and to not hide behind a generalised “they”. In my argument I named Kissinger – and I provided links to Kissinger’s involvement. I have also named Pence and Pompeo as being on the opposing side; and likewise provided supporting links.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Mar 10, 2025 8:57 AM

Well if we can just point to one person – a supposed leader or at least major ringleader – and ignore the practical necessity for a vast, global, interlinked power base in order to enact the whole thing, then I guess I could say Klaus Schwab, for all that would mean.

Really what is alleged in either scenario, yours or Ed’s, is that global governance is in place, and that the rungs of power (that many believe only extend as far as nation borders, and have remained unchanged in their scale for the last 2000 years despite the scaling up of all other human enterprise) actually extend far higher than we previously thought. How else could Kissinger or anyone else hope to implement a global scam?

The two scenarios are distinctions without a difference in real terms. The acceptance of Global governance is implicit in both.

Many believe that the great reset was an attempt by global governance to step out from behind a curtain, one that’s been in place for a good while, but that this attempt ultimately failed, leaving humanity in a state of cognitive dissonance, half believing 20th Century geopolitics are still in place, and the other half not. A2

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Mar 10, 2025 9:31 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

I have never stated or implied that it’s “one person”.

I’ve stated throughout who Kissinger works for – The Monolithic & Ruthless Conspiracy (MRC), aka: City of London, Bilderberg, Banksters, etc. Putin and Schwab both work for Kissinger. I’ve stated throughout that Pence, Pompeo, etc are a Pentagon-based military operation. And I’ve provided links to the Atlantic Council.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Mar 10, 2025 9:52 AM

Ahh, so crucially Trump and Zelensky are really on different sides. That certainly helps alleviate the uncomfortable notion that they’re both performers in a room performing to each other, which is what many people who saw it thought.

However, let’s not deflect. Criticising Ed for using an umbrella term (‘they’) while not making it clear you are using exactly the same sort of umbrella term yourself (‘The Monolithic & Ruthless Conspiracy’) is not fair criticism. Don’t do that anymore, please, it’s misleading. Thank you.

And before you add, listing names or excluding names from your umbrella term does not make it de facto more specific or believable, since you are still talking extremely broadly and abstractly. It’s perfectly ok to use broad hypotheticals (like ‘they’ and ‘monolithic world conspiracy’) when making certain points, but it’s not okay to play top trumps with them for the sake of one upmanship, the way you were doing.

You could easily argue that ‘they’ = ‘monolithic ruthless conspiracy’ + Atantic Council and Christian Zionists and have no effect on feasibility since you’re hypothesising in extremely sweeping terms to begin with (in fact you think they are working together, therefore you are talking in terms of ‘they’ (ie. The whole) yourself! Therefore I say again, you are making a distinction without a difference, which is essentially just misleading).

Have we talked around this enough? I sense we might have done lol A2

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Mar 10, 2025 11:22 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Ahh, so crucially Trump and Zelensky are really on different sides

Zelensky is on the side of saving Ukraine. Trump appears to be aligned with Putin. Putin’s objective is to erase Ukraine – the state, the nation, the people, the history, the concept. Hence, Zelensky and Trump are on radically different sides.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Mar 10, 2025 12:55 PM

Shouldn’t you say Kissinger, since you think Putin is a Kissinger asset?

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Mar 10, 2025 1:29 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

The erasure of Ukraine is probably not a Kissinger agenda. Rather, it is a motivator to get Putin to invade. Putin gets to think that he’ll replicate Peter the Great or whatever. Same as Trump thinking he’ll be remembered as a god-emperor. Both are deluded. As a motivator and a narrative, it also works on supports and populations.

Kissinger, however, is a puppet master and operates above the delusions. It’s possible that either/both Trump and Putin are above the delusion, but my current guess is that they’re each kept and controlled within an informational bubble.

The Kissinger agenda (i.e. Belt & Road) was to end the state of Israel and to relocate the high-tech industries to the five oblasts in S.E. Ukraine. Hence, Putin was supposed to claim Odesa. These regions were supposed to be rebuilt according to the Digital Ukraine project. I reported it here at the time, but it doesn’t seem to have made any impression!

https://digitalukraine.com.ua

FUTURE Of Ukraine, 2030 – Most Free/Digital Country On Earth!!
c/o
CzarKula
Jul 30, 2022
Don’t know about you, but this sounds like a damn nightmare to me!

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Mar 10, 2025 2:28 PM

Ok, but you did say he was a Kissinger asset before. Have you revised your thinking on that now too?

Tbh honest you’re thinking on this seems a little fluid, which is probably healthy in some ways, however, it does seem that you think 20 century geopolitics is essentially alive and well. It should also be noted that, for many people, what they witnessed in 2020 demands a different explanation, and tbh the global nature of ‘Covid’ doesn’t seem to fit into your analysis very convincingly. Many people aren’t comfortable treating 2020 as though it was just some anomaly, you know? Especially not when the meeting of two distinguished statesman descends into the sort of farce we witnessed with Trump/Zelinsky. For many people this, and a lot else, just lacks that ineffable quality that marks something ‘real’. A2

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Mar 10, 2025 2:54 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Ok, but you did say he was a Kissinger asset before. Have you revised your thinking on that now too?

No, Putin is still a “Kissinger” asset. “Kissinger” here referring to the organisation which was previously fronted by Kissinger.

The distinction concerns Putin’s relation to the delusion that he is going to replicate Peter the Great. The Putin cult believes in that delusion. It’s possible that Putin also believes that delusion and is controlled through the use of an informational bubble. However, it’s possible that Putin is aware that it’s a delusion and is knowingly manipulating his supporters. I have suspicions, but given I don’t speak Russian, I have no way to make any sort of assessment as to which is most likely.

With Trump, however, I’m now leaning toward the view that he’s operating within an informational bubble. But this view may be revised.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Mar 10, 2025 5:58 PM

Is that what ‘Putin cultists’ believe? Or are you inadvertently shoring up the MSM fear narrative here?

Erik Nielsen.
Erik Nielsen.
Mar 12, 2025 1:28 AM

You are wrong about ‘Putin’s Empirical ambitions’. Russia can only defend their extreme long border if their neighbour countries maintain neutral in the geo-political play.
If not they will imposed to de-Nazification as Ukraine.

Remember Ukraine introduced racism and language laws in Ukraine/Donbass where people only speak Russian.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Mar 10, 2025 2:56 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Many people . . .

What have “many people” got to do with anything?

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Mar 10, 2025 5:52 PM

I was attempting to present a balanced response. You are very prodigious in your output, almost tireless, and I don’t consider yours an especially moderate view. Therefore it’s kinda my job to step in and highlight that, if you’re in danger of inadvertently sliding a forum. I’m sure you get me. A2

Slapdash
Slapdash
Mar 10, 2025 2:11 PM

Zelensky is on the side of saving Ukraine.”

Given his recent (alleged) purchase of a French private bank, a casino resort, numerous multi-milliion dollar properties around the world and his substantial monthly ‘income’, I would posit that Zelensky is on the side of enriching Zelensky.

He also appears to be on the side of the oligarchs and their families, who seem to be spending an awful lot of time, post US funding, swanning around Monaco in Lamborghinis and partying on yachts; or skiing in Gstaad etc.

Putin’s objective is to erase Ukraine”

The evidence doesn’t support this. If he wanted to erase Ukraine, he could have done it in three days – simply carpet bomb Kiev right at the start, killing Zelensky and ‘his’ government and all the apparatus of state – then stroll in and take the country essentially unopposed.

T.S.
T.S.
Mar 10, 2025 9:24 AM

How about the roman catholic church as “they” ? It may sound crazy, but everything we encounter these days seems to be an attack on rationality, which was a guiding principle of the enlightenment movement (before they lost their course). Pitting the small hats against the evil islamists is designed to discredit both (not that any religion has any credibility to begin with) and out of the blue the christian sect comes to the rescue, do they not even start to sell trumpledore as a “gift” from god ?
I find it highly amusing how the religious fringes of the repubnican party tries to frame the US as based on “christian” values, what a f…ing joke. Which “christian” valuse, thoese of the Spanish Inquisition ?, those of the Crusades ?

It is the age old fight of rationality vs irrationality, collectivism against individualism.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Mar 10, 2025 10:25 AM
Reply to  T.S.

Bergoglio works for the MRC.

https://off-guardian.org/2020/12/25/earth-to-god-lessons-of-2020

Lost in a dark wood – Dec 26, 2020 8:35 PM

We live in an upside-down world. The Satanists took the Vatican, but the Christians took the Pentagon.

SeverelyRegarded
SeverelyRegarded
Mar 10, 2025 11:31 AM

Occam concurs

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Mar 10, 2025 12:52 AM

I can’t stand watching the whole exchange, but from the bits I’ve seen (like the accompanying still to a previous OffG article), I think Zelensky and Trump (Vance) genuinely detest each other. I don’t think they’re acting!

My theory of Trump is that he was controlled by the Pence operation during the first term. The original intention was to continue with this through the COG phase (i.e. Biden’s pseudo presidency) and into Trump’s second term. However, they decided around 2022/23 to switch the plan.

The switched plan involves reinforcing and pumping ideas of Trump being the “chosen one”. This being a core element of Trump’s self-ideation. Trump then surrounds himself with sycophants and the whole team becomes increasingly detached from reality. At some point, Trump and Vance will be impeached – for declaring himself King – and some safe, established statesperson will be appointed via the House Speaker position.

Failing that, the US will balkanise.

boxofcrayons
boxofcrayons
Mar 9, 2025 10:37 PM

that a small brood of individuals are sanctioned with the ability to exercise ultimate power over the many, is a tall tale in itself,

Blue Tara
Blue Tara
Mar 9, 2025 10:23 PM

You refer to Pearl Harbor without mentioning the notorious reference to it in the neocon strategy paper that lamented that absent a Pearl Harbor like event American defence strategy would be cirppled by lack of funds for their ambitious plans. It is one of the great red flags of the period.

Ron Marr
Ron Marr
Mar 9, 2025 9:59 PM

You are so educated that you speak in wonder as if you know nothing. Many writers seem to write this way today.My point being, if you know what you are talking about then say it! Nothing is more important now.

underground poet
underground poet
Mar 9, 2025 10:41 PM
Reply to  Ron Marr

Well think about it, something mysterious you’ve waited for 1/2 your life is now late in life eluding you, and the best that is seen is a couple guys showing you how much they can do.

Ron Marr
Ron Marr
Mar 10, 2025 6:52 PM

It didn’t elude me. That’s my problem, sir.

MartinU
MartinU
Mar 9, 2025 8:48 PM

I think that describing Ukraine as ‘democratic’ is pushing the envelope a bit — between banned parties, suspended elections, rule by diktat of a President who’s term is long expired doesn’t sound very democratic to me. But then you don’t have to look too closely at other European countries to realize that ‘democratic’ doesn’t just mean the people having a choice but also making the correct choice.

As for 9/11 it felt during that summer that something was going to break. Seen in the context of the “Ready to Roll” Patriot Act, the anthrax scare, the DC sniper and so on one could be forgiven for thinking it was an incident that was allowed to happen that just turned out to be far more successful than anyone could have dreamed of. (Unlike many I don’t believe in universal competence — people plot and plan but rarely do things turn out 100% as they thought they would, there just isn’t that level of control out there.)

Sandra Locke
Sandra Locke
Mar 9, 2025 7:45 PM

I don’t know, but Donald Trump does not strike me as someone who lays out precise plans beforehand.

Martha
Martha
Mar 9, 2025 9:31 PM
Reply to  Sandra Locke

No, but his handlers above him on the food chain have precise plans, even if they don’t always work out as perfectly as they imagine.

underground poet
underground poet
Mar 9, 2025 10:43 PM
Reply to  Martha

When things cant get any worse, anything becomes perfect.

Penelope
Penelope
Mar 10, 2025 6:03 AM
Reply to  Sandra Locke

Sandra, Donald Trump is not the author of ANYTHING, he’s an employed actor, like Zelensky. Years before his first term he was quoted as saying it’d been arranged that he was to be Prez either this time or the next time cuz he had the perfect personality for what was wanted. And of course, being a blabbermouth it appeared in one of the alternate internet news sites.

Binra
Binra
Mar 9, 2025 6:15 PM

A mind at war with itself-but masked over by a presentation of unity relative to the faults of others and forces outside itself.
Is the ‘wily’ guile by which to hide attack in a gift of seeming virtue as gain of function relative to protecting the mask of appearances against the revelation of conflict, fragmentation and breakdown of communication.
The mask buys time for fear as an illusion of freedom as ‘control.

That the mind of Man is at war with itself is a basis for a false ‘creation’ or substitution for reality. But the war dictates that reality be set in its terms.

Some forms of war are seen as kind, caring, and justified while others are framed diabolical, but beneath all shifting judgments is the inviolable fact of a true creation.

Addictive-compulsive behaviours run on self-lack. Who can judge themselves (in others) and know their wholeness?

The masking ego (of our world) is disintegrating as a sustainable defence against reality. But reality cannot ‘attack’ Itself. Vested self-illusions can and do conflict. While the fear of pain of loss can be managed as outsourced or mitigated risk, the game can seem to be worth the candles. But without the light or attention we give it – what is it but a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Scoobis
Scoobis
Mar 9, 2025 4:58 PM

Sooooo…to the author, what does the Democrat performance of support to the Ukraine war during Trump’s address suggest to you?

sandy
sandy
Mar 9, 2025 4:54 PM

No, you have not become unhinged. As Debord and the Situationists have pointed out, and even Plato points out in his Allegory of the Cave, the Spectacle, the acceptance of perceiving images, depictions of reality over reality, is what consumes us. When we stop taking in representations as greater than or in replacement of reality, then we will be free to create a reality to our collective desires, and be conscious in the process. This is true liberation, imho.

Scoobis
Scoobis
Mar 9, 2025 4:53 PM

I fear that the world population is under a psy-op of a magnitude that is hard to comprehend. So much, so fast, every day, 24-hours a day. What really requires imagination is guessing what the planned end game is to all this deception…

Penelope
Penelope
Mar 10, 2025 6:15 AM
Reply to  Scoobis

I don’t think so, Scoobis. Don’t confuse what you see on TV with what people believe. When I’m in a waiting room, or somewhere else where I can speak in the presence of 5 or 6 people I make disparaging comments — “oh, please, not television; I don’t need to be lied to anymore today.” or “The only reason that I listen to the news at all is to see what lies they’re telling today.” I get answers like “You can say that again” “That’s for sure.” and appreciative laughter.

Not everyone makes a difference in politics, not everyone rises above being consumed by his own difficulties. But among those who DO, many are awake. But so far no plan of action has managed to get itself distributed widely enough.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Mar 9, 2025 4:32 PM

Or is it too “offensive” to discuss at OffG?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assholes:_A_Theory

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Mar 9, 2025 4:20 PM

It may be performative, the events and confrontations are staged, but mostly they’re not acting. That is, they really ARE dickheads!

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Lizzyh7
Lizzyh7
Mar 10, 2025 4:51 PM

Or dickless. Sorry, there’s an old ugly saying regarding men who seem to need to display their manhood via large vehicles and phallic symbols…. and really, if one feels the need to wield a chainsaw at a public gathering for effect shouldn’t one at least power that thing up? As it’s all for show here I doubt the wunderkind could hang onto it if it was turned on….

Jonas Carling
Jonas Carling
Mar 9, 2025 4:02 PM

An extremely lengthy and convoluted post just to state the obvious – It was staged

les online
les online
Mar 9, 2025 9:07 PM
Reply to  Jonas Carling

Of course it was !! “All The World’s A Stage” …

And it was some Mighty Fine acting, to boot !
Shoulda gotta Oscar !!

les online
les online
Mar 9, 2025 3:20 PM

‘Oh ye of little faith !!’

Armando Romani
Armando Romani
Mar 9, 2025 3:14 PM

Traditional politicians who’ve been groomed within the system are much better at pretending that they’re doing serious stuff, but they’re much less capable of arousing raw emotion. That’s the double-edged sword of putting Trump in the spotlight. He’s much better at polarizing the indoctrinated into their respective political camps; but for those who are detached from the “left”-“right” paradigm, he’s much worse at not letting it show that’s he just acting out a role in a pre-determined narrative. Trump and Zelensky may both have acting experience, but that doesn’t mean either of them is very good at it.

Using the reaction of the mainstream and pseudo-alternative press as a barometer is like expecting a broken clock to be right more than twice a day. When the acting is this bad anyone with a modicum of discernment who isn’t brainwashed can see it for exactly what it is; but if you’re waiting for that reality to be acknowledged in the press, you’re going to be waiting for eternity.

Richard Aston
Richard Aston
Mar 9, 2025 7:33 PM
Reply to  Armando Romani

Left right, left right…the pandemic madness helped detach me from that easy polarity. While I sometimes miss the social connection of political tribalism and hell I have lost freinds for it, it’s feels freeing to step back

Penelope
Penelope
Mar 10, 2025 6:17 AM
Reply to  Armando Romani

Well said, Armando.

Howard
Howard
Mar 9, 2025 3:04 PM

There is a dark reality underpinning even the most innocuous stagecraft. Just ask Jon-Eric Hexum. Oh wait, you can’t ask him: he was killed on a sound stage when he put a gun filled with blanks to his head and pulled the trigger. He was killed by a blank on a sound stage – please let that sink in.

Nor can you ask Vic Morrow, who was decapitated by a helicopter blade while a scene from a movie was being filmed. Killed in the line of duty at play acting.

So let’s please take a moment to bow our heads and acknowledge that reality is bigger, better, meaner and ever so much more subtle than all the roles actors play, be they film or political actors.

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 9, 2025 1:53 PM

It truly is a magical world. Just as the media has elevated that pathetic pantomime between Trump and Zelensky into “reality”, they have taken the reality of the genocide in Gaza and have transformed that into an “illusion”.

mgeo
mgeo
Mar 10, 2025 4:37 AM
Reply to  George Mc

At least, viewing of the pathetic MSM channels reporting on the centre of the known universe went up for a day or two.

antonym
antonym
Mar 9, 2025 12:45 PM

FINALLY I understand the woke way of weighing battle field deaths between regions. One oriental exotic brown poor Palestinian death is ~ equivalent to 100 rich boring white Western Ukrainian/ Russians. Makes Palestine the center of the woke world view.

Jonathan
Jonathan
Mar 9, 2025 2:54 PM
Reply to  antonym

Is the opposing narrative better? The one that says one J’s life is worth more than any number of non-J’s?

Howard
Howard
Mar 9, 2025 3:10 PM
Reply to  antonym

One big difference: most (though not all) of the “white Western” deaths were soldiers equipped for war. While almost ALL the “exotic brown poor Palestinian(s)” were civilians, almost half of whom were children deliberately targeted. Such as Hind Rajab, the six year old who was shot dead while desperately waiting for help.

antonym
antonym
Mar 10, 2025 12:51 AM
Reply to  Howard

Ah! The child ‘victim’ meme!

Oldest trick in the Book?

Kids can be brainwashed by adults quite totally at very young age amongst fanatics like Hamas or African child soldiers. Poor little shooter.

October
October
Mar 9, 2025 6:20 PM
Reply to  antonym

It’s funny how the anti-woke are so woke when it comes to one particularly extreme form of identity politics 😏

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 9, 2025 9:38 PM
Reply to  antonym

The day you FINALLY understand is the day you FINALLY fuck off.

Literally nobody
Literally nobody
Mar 9, 2025 11:50 AM

In a nutshell, and that which most people cannot accept, is that COVID demonstrated that everything (operations of every institution above a 5 man membership) is a lie.
It is a lie for the purpose of controlling and substantially harming the masses.
This should be the basis for interpreting modern civilization.

Jonathan
Jonathan
Mar 9, 2025 2:57 PM

Deception is a more apt word than lie.
Carefully chosen truths can be far more manipulative than any lie.

Christine
Christine
Mar 10, 2025 7:36 AM
Reply to  Jonathan

I haven’t seen any truths – no it’s been lies, lies and more lies.

Scoobis
Scoobis
Mar 9, 2025 4:56 PM

For a nutshell description…that was pretty damn good.

Erik Nielsen.
Erik Nielsen.
Mar 9, 2025 10:59 AM

Distraction. But we can get something out of the meeting if some of them say something true yes?
Trump said true things in the meeting, Zelensky not. So the public are outraged because one person say something which is factual true. Ok.

Lets the define what is anti-semitism:
Rothschilds (Dooish) started the show of lending money out of free air with no backing and demand interest and fee both to the stupid Royals and all their quarrels and wars, and next to the stupid sheeple who wanted to be VIP as the Royals.
They were intelligent enough to make a deal with another influential family (Dooish) in US the Rockefeller clan.

Because non backed usury loans is condemned in the Bible, and in principle also a breach of the Penalty Code, they had to secure their position.

One by making laws that make BIS and City of London and Big Banking untouchable after the Penalty Code, Second by smearing everybody who dont like Ponzi schemes, as anti-Semitism.
You know Rothschilds paid for Knesset being build and a lot of other buildings and things in Israel yes?

Conclusion:

Everytime you mention your dissatisfaction with our ugly money system, you will be stamped with anti-Semitism or for being a self-hating Doo!

Everytime you declare your support to Israel and Semitism, you declare your support to our true criminal usury loan system, will get noticed and handsomely rewarded!

Hereafter we understand why so many Politicians or Oligarchs and sheeple swear their support and obedience to Israel and to more laws making “anti-Semitism” a criminal offence.

Israel and its population are only bricks in this game.

Howard
Howard
Mar 9, 2025 3:20 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen.

Trump and Truth are diametrical opposites. What is you think Trump said that was factually true? It certainly wasn’t the 350 billion – because roughly 70% of that went directly to the MIC. Besides which, who ever heard of invoicing a nation for the weapons of war the US sends in order to prolong the war? And whoever heard of expecting a visiting head of state to say “Thank You” for the chance to have his country devastated and his people killed?

I guess next we can expect the Taliban to be asked to thank the US for 20 years of relentless occupation while the CIA was gathering poppies. Or whoever is momentarily in charge of Iraq to thank the US for destroying any stability it might have once had.

Erik Nielsen.
Erik Nielsen.
Mar 12, 2025 1:35 AM
Reply to  Howard

You will find people in these countries who do exactly that. Saying thank you for the money to US, completely ignorant about the devastation of their country.

If you find Trump and truth to be opposites, I should like very much to hear your opinion about the previous Liberal regimes in US??? pls.

YourPointBeing
YourPointBeing
Mar 9, 2025 10:40 AM

All the worlds a stage.

Of course that performance was scripted.
How could it be anything else?

Perhaps those boxes of bombs are empty.

But the billions of dollars are REAL™!

Marion
Marion
Mar 9, 2025 10:39 AM

The first meeting between leaders of different nations completely filmed and broadcasted to the public (at least to my limited knowledge) and surprisingly it went completely out of hand. I was shocked. What a coincidence.

The Real Edwige
The Real Edwige
Mar 9, 2025 10:04 AM

“Even today, this conclusion is hard for most people to accept”.

As Corbett’s fond of saying, citation needed. What do “most people” (where?) think about 9/11 today?

Jonathan
Jonathan
Mar 9, 2025 3:07 PM

They think two buildings fell. If you tell them three fell – vertically – they fail to recognise even the need to ask questions.

I had this happen to me on Friday. It’s quite amusing despite the tragedy. The tragedy of willful ignorance, that is.

The same guy saw no problem with 96% of top U.S. corporations jobs going to non-whites one year.

Howard
Howard
Mar 9, 2025 3:22 PM

Try going through any neighborhood in the US and telling the good folks that 9/11 was an inside job. It won’t take long for you to determine what “most people” think about it.

Martha
Martha
Mar 9, 2025 9:45 PM
Reply to  Howard

They express the same disbelief when you tell them there was no virus, though a small percentage know something was fishy because their friends and family were sickened or died suddenly after the freedom-from-lockdown shot. We’re a small crowd, who can look at the darkness with open eyes.

Hugh O'Neill
Hugh O'Neill
Mar 9, 2025 9:40 AM

Hurrah for the Classics! I had to study Vergil’s Aeneid for 5th year Latin. I actually enjoyed it despite the teacher’s worst efforts and liberal deployment of corporal punishment. The opening line sets the scene: “Arma vurumque cano” = It is of arms and the man I sing. Later on that essential truth: “Timeo Danaos et dona ferentiis” = I fear the Greeks and the gifts they bear (For Greeks, read USA)
Although this is great literature, it was also pure propaganda intended to deify Augustus, nephew of Julius Caesar, descendant of Aeneas’ Trojan refugees. But I also suspect that the original Homeric epic The Iliad (which forms the prequel to the Aeneid) were likewise propaganda too: rape and plunder given the fig leaf of a noble quest to rescue Helen of Troy, wife of King Menelaus.
Human Nature is immutable. What drove men 4 thousand years ago still drives them today. The truth of the matter will always be mired in the dust of the battlefield.
However, to return to the present: I do actually believe that Trump and Vance sincerely wish to end the killing in Ukraine and are genuinely afraid of WWIII and nuclear Armageddon. The only adult in the room these past 20 years has been Vladimir Putin. If Trump and Vance start to show a smidgin of intelligence, then we should help and encourage them.
Everybody needs to read JFK’s Peace Speech (June 10th 1963) to understand that essential truth: We all occupy the same small planet, we breathe the same air, we cherish our children’s future, and we are all mortal.

Erik Nielsen.
Erik Nielsen.
Mar 9, 2025 2:05 PM
Reply to  Hugh O'Neill

We taxpayers pay for all these books and all this reading. Meaning we demand a say in what is being read of bs that long over a 5 year study!

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
Mar 9, 2025 5:58 PM
Reply to  Hugh O'Neill
  • Virgil (ie, NOT ‘Vergil’).
Hugh O'Neill
Hugh O'Neill
Mar 10, 2025 9:21 AM

Thanks. It was all a long time ago. I was vergin’ on the edge of an education despite school, not because of it. My thanks to to Virgil for his imagination. Had he been a Scottish dyslexic, he might have sheepishly written “It is of rams and the man I speak”….

elena
elena
Mar 9, 2025 6:54 PM
Reply to  Hugh O'Neill

Great post.

October
October
Mar 9, 2025 9:11 AM

IMHO, this was a staged argument, and the current EU ‘fear of a Russian invasion’ is just as staged. There appears to be some good cop/bad cop thing going on, and at least part of the point seems to be for the EU to create more money and get further into debt.

If anybody has any information about why that might be (haven’t heard of any market woes similar to those that preceded the deadly plague), I would love to know.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Mar 9, 2025 4:42 PM
Reply to  October

the current EU ‘fear of a Russian invasion’ is just as staged.

Yes, we’ll meet like with like – only we’ll raise and raise again!

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Claude Malhuret, Senator of the French Republic

English transcript:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dfHP7UdIBkNLCVS75IzE4LEg-XgX2sb2T4JWfmRL6CY/edit?tab=t.0

October
October
Mar 9, 2025 6:11 PM

This ‘Senator of the French Republic’ is very much part of the show. He spouts his nonsense and is heard all over the world.

So now he believes he’s making history. 😀

Scoobis
Scoobis
Mar 9, 2025 5:00 PM
Reply to  October

The European continent is on the verge of collapse, that should tell you everything you need to know about why the distraction of a major war is required.

sandy
sandy
Mar 9, 2025 5:11 PM
Reply to  October

Read Michael Hudson, the best economist on Earth, who can get you closest to what’s true. The European “leaders” have been groomed post WW2 to serve as mercenary to US imperialism, taking down Europeans with them. Can you imagine being a European citizen and realize how badly they need to flush these rats out of control? It’s up to them there, just as it is us here in the US.

https://michael-hudson.com/

October
October
Mar 9, 2025 6:22 PM
Reply to  sandy

Hudson can be very accurate in his judgements (he was clear from the outset that the war in Ukraine waged by the US was directed against both Russia and the European ‘allies’).

It’s a pity he’s a bit less insightful when it comes to Covid and climate change.

sandy
sandy
Mar 9, 2025 6:36 PM
Reply to  October

Well, i don’t expect everyone to have to agree on everything. He may be picking his fight where his knowledge is greatest. I have friends who agree on the LOCKDOWN who will never express so because their livelihood may be threatened. I have others who have been programmed on CC over the last 40 years, as was I, listen to me show them a chart of Earth temperatures over millions of years to point out we are now below the historic median temperature, and can’t talk. Stunned, shock, in denial. It all takes time and knowledge. I’m patient.

Now that i use the word “patient”, the ambiguities and opposite instances, are interesting…

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/patient

Penelope
Penelope
Mar 10, 2025 6:36 AM
Reply to  October

October, if all the world appeared united & w/o fear of war we wd be looking at what they are really doing: Yes, w the money supply– but also w other means of wealth concentration. And of course w power concentration. Take for example the Chinese people: Do you suppose that some of the US anti-Chinese rhetoric serves to cement current Chinese leadership? If you attention is drawn to defense against outsiders the insiders look a whole lot more attractive.

flirt
flirt
Mar 9, 2025 9:04 AM

At the end, Trump said ”this would make great TV’ (he literally said that), Recap: actor Zelensky, with actor Trump with Apprentice Tv programming. I am surprised it did not end with ;You’ve been fired;. as the indoctrination is so strong with meta media (TV films netflick hollyweird and sports) the people sadly cant see the reality from stage craft.

(side note) it is finally nice to see a subsection of the alt media saying it could be staged!
pre this, the same alt would ban people for saying it was STAGED!

mgeo
mgeo
Mar 10, 2025 4:46 AM
Reply to  flirt

Imagine: You invite a (illegitimate) head of a country for talks. Outside your front door, you shake his hand. Inside, he finds a full panoply of bigwigs, reporters and cameras.

Johnny
Johnny
Mar 9, 2025 8:57 AM

We can be certain of one thing:
Whatever Trump does, he does it for Trump.

Erik Nielsen.
Erik Nielsen.
Mar 9, 2025 11:13 AM
Reply to  Johnny

Trump signed an Executive Order liberating tips for taxation. Taxi drivers, waiters, servants, drivers, m.m.. Because Trump will get more tips to himself.

Trump signed an Executive Order banning gender mutilation biological or chemical on children: Identity confused lgbt people and moral de-stabilisation.
Hetero married Trump only did this for himself and his own children.

 😊 

Howard
Howard
Mar 9, 2025 3:28 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen.

Trump should be impeached – as every President should – for Executive Orders which reach beyond what the Constitution authorizes. Many if not most Executive Orders have become substitutes for legislation. This is an abomination and should be halted ASAP.

Scoobis
Scoobis
Mar 9, 2025 5:03 PM
Reply to  Howard

WTF are you ranting on about?

Scoobis
Scoobis
Mar 9, 2025 5:01 PM
Reply to  Johnny

Get a check on you TDS there johnnyboy…

October
October
Mar 9, 2025 6:44 PM
Reply to  Scoobis

So, noticing that Trump is the greatest Trump fan in the world is TDS? Get a grip!

Scoobis
Scoobis
Mar 10, 2025 8:00 PM
Reply to  October

You are projecting images from your own TDS warped imagination, and you are suggesting I get a grip?

October
October
Mar 10, 2025 8:04 PM
Reply to  Scoobis

Oh, you noticed! 😀

James Charles
James Charles
Mar 9, 2025 8:52 AM

“ let’s take a look at what Trump is doing here the UK is part of their
7:07 Trump proofing entered a secret deal with Ukraine basically where Ukraine
7:13 turned over their Mineral rights to the United Kingdom in exchange for 100 Years of security guarantees and this was the
7:20 the what the British told the ukrainians is uh we’ve got a special relationship
7:25 with America you sign this over we guarantee your security because we will make sure America’s trapped into this
7:32 you can’t trap Donald Trump and so what is Europe to do he’s he shut down this
7:37 um this military aid until which time zalinsky signs the mineral agreement but zalinsky can’t sign the mineral
7:44 agreement because of the UK agreement which means that ultimately the UK is going to have to make null and void its agreement”?

Jonathan
Jonathan
Mar 9, 2025 3:16 PM
Reply to  James Charles

“turned over their Mineral rights to the United Kingdom in exchange for 100 Years of security guarantees”

I want the best for the Ukrainian people, but Christ, I hope Russia is forced to completely smash Ukraine for the sake of my country (UK.)

Jonathan
Jonathan
Mar 9, 2025 3:19 PM
Reply to  Jonathan

And yes, I hate being in a position where I think that way. But this madness must end for the sake of all Europe. Rip off that bandaid ASAP.

Scoobis
Scoobis
Mar 9, 2025 5:04 PM
Reply to  Jonathan

I personally would love to see Russia smash the Ukranian money laundering/meat grinder.

Ann in Oregon
Ann in Oregon
Mar 9, 2025 4:05 PM
Reply to  James Charles

Thanks for the Scott Ritter link. I may be naive but it does give one hope.