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The Rise of the Prison State: Trump’s Push for Megaprisons Could Lock Us All Up

John & Nisha Whitehead

Barbed wire fence with prison tower in the distance Generative AI

“You think we’re arresting people now? You wait till we get the funding to do what we got to do.”
Tom Homan, Trump’s border czar

America is rapidly becoming a nation of prisons. Having figured out how to parlay presidential authority in foreign affairs in order to sidestep the Constitution, President Trump is using his immigration enforcement powers to lock up—and lock down—the nation.

After all, a police state requires a prison state. And no one is cheering louder than the private prison corporations making money hand over fist from Trump’s expansion of federal detention.

Under the guise of national security and public safety, the Trump administration is engineering the largest federal expansion of incarceration and detention powers in U.S. history.

At the center of this campaign is Alligator Alcatraz, a federal detention facility built in the Florida Everglades and hailed by the White House as a model for the future of federal incarceration. But this is more than a new prison—it is the architectural symbol of a carceral state being quietly constructed in plain sight.

With over $170 billion allocated through Trump’s megabill, we are witnessing the creation of a vast, permanent enforcement infrastructure aimed at turning the American police state into a prison state.

The scope of this expansion is staggering.

The bill allocates $45 billion just to expand immigrant detention—a move that will make ICE the best-funded federal law enforcement agency in American history, with more money than the FBI, the DEA, and the Bureau of Prisons combined.

Yet be warned: what begins with ICE rarely ends with ICE.

Trump’s initial promise to crack down on “violent illegal criminals” has evolved into a sweeping mandate: a mass, quota-driven roundup campaign that detains anyone the administration deems a threat, regardless of legal status and at significant expense to the American taxpayer: immigrants, activists, journalists, business owners, military veterans, and even spouses of American citizens.

What’s more, the vast majority of those being detained are not violent criminals.

According to analyst Robert Reich, 71.7 percent of ICE detainees have no criminal record. Many are longtime residents, laborers, and small business owners—people who have contributed to the economy for years.

Removing these individuals from the workforce and imprisoning them not only devastates families and communities—it burdens taxpayers and weakens the economy.

According to the Department of Homeland Security, it costs more than $150 a day to detain a single immigrant—totaling over $3 billion annually for ICE detention alone. Meanwhile, undocumented workers contribute an estimated $96 billion in federal, state and local taxes each year, and billions more in Social Security and Medicare taxes that they can never claim.

These are the workers who keep industries running—doing the jobs many Americans refuse. Locking them up doesn’t save money; it dismantles the very labor force that sustains the economy.

Like so many of the Trump administration’s grandiose plans, the math doesn’t add up.

Just as Trump’s tariffs have failed to revive American manufacturing and instead raised consumer prices, this detention-state spending spree will cost taxpayers far more than it saves.

It’s not just authoritarian—it’s bad economics, funneling tax dollars into a bureaucracy that grows government while delivering no real public benefit.

We’re being told it’s about public safety and border control—but in reality, it’s a bloated, inefficient bureaucracy that shifts billions from productive parts of the economy into a black hole of surveillance, cement, and razor wire.

Making matters worse, many of these detained immigrants are then exploited as a pool of cheap labor inside the very facilities where they’re held.

In other words, this isn’t just a prison expansion—it’s a taxpayer-funded machine that extracts labor from the very people it imprisons, while draining billions from the economy and undermining the industries it claims to protect in order to help corporations make a larger profit.

According to The New York Timesat least 60,000 immigrants were put to work in ICE detention centers in 2013—more than were employed by any single private employer in the country at the time. Paid as little as 13 cents an hour—or nothing at all—these civil detainees were used to prepare meals, clean facilities, and even provide services to other government institutions.

Unlike convicted criminals, these individuals are not serving sentences. Most are civil detainees awaiting immigration hearings, and roughly half are ultimately allowed to stay in the country. Yet while they await due process, they are locked up, stripped of their rights, and forced to work for pennies on the dollar—all while the government and its contractors avoid paying minimum wage and save tens of millions a year in labor costs.

This isn’t just about cutting corners. It’s a taxpayer-subsidized racket—a corporatist scheme where politically connected companies profit from government largesse, growing the very bureaucratic state that so-called fiscal conservatives once claimed to oppose.

This kind of exploitation is not limited to immigration detention.

An investigation by the Associated Press found that prisoners in the United States—many held in private or underregulated facilities—are part of a multibillion-dollar empire that supplies a hidden labor supply chain linked to hundreds of popular food brands and supply companies.

As the Associated Press reports, “The goods these prisoners produce wind up in the supply chains of a dizzying array of products found in most American kitchens, from Frosted Flakes cereal and Ball Park hot dogs to Gold Medal flour, Coca-Cola and Riceland rice. They are on the shelves of virtually every supermarket in the country, including Kroger, Target, Aldi and Whole Foods. And some goods are exported, including to countries that have had products blocked from entering the U.S. for using forced or prison labor.”

It’s no coincidence that 90 percent of people in immigration detention are held in privately run facilities. These corporations profit from every additional body behind bars—and have lobbied aggressively for the policies that keep the beds full. Their contracts often guarantee minimum occupancy levels, creating perverse incentives to detain more people, for longer periods, at the expense of justice and human rights.

The implications for Trump’s detention empire are chilling.

At a time when the administration is promising mass deportations to appease anti-immigrant hardliners, it is simultaneously constructing a parallel economy in which detained migrants can be pressed into near-free labor to satisfy the needs of industries that depend on migrant work.

What Trump is building isn’t just a prison state—it’s a forced labor regime, where confinement and exploitation go hand in hand. And it’s a high price to pay for a policy that creates more problems than it solves.

As the enforcement dragnet expands, so too does the definition of who qualifies as an enemy of the state.

Erected under the banner of law and order, this permanent infrastructure of incarceration and enforcement is being put in place now for use tomorrow—not just against violent criminals who happen to be undocumented immigrants, but against whoever the government deems undesirable.

Increasingly, not even citizenship is a safeguard against the carceral state—as one recent case involving a legal U.S. resident arrested for his political views makes chillingly clear.

The Trump administration is now pushing to review and revoke the citizenship of Americans it deems national security risks—targeting them for arrest, detention, and deportation.

Unfortunately, the government’s definition of “national security threat” is so broad, vague and unconstitutional that it could encompass anyone engaged in peaceful, nonviolent, constitutionally protected activities—including criticism of government policy or the policies of allied governments like Israel.

In Trump’s prison state, no one is beyond the government’s reach.

Just ask Mahmoud Khalil, a legal U.S. resident married to a U.S. citizen who was detained for months by ICE for daring to peacefully oppose Israel’s war efforts in Gaza. Khalil’s arrest was not based on any crime—but on his political views, which the government labeled a national security concern under a little-used statute that allows the Secretary of State to deport non-citizens for expressing views deemed contrary to U.S. foreign policy interests.

A federal judge ultimately ordered Khalil’s release, finding that the detention likely violates due process rights when coupled with First Amendment protections. As the judge warned, if such a law can be used against Khalil, “then other, similar statutes can also one day be made to apply. Not just in the removal context, as to foreign nationals. But also in the criminal context, as to everyone.

In other words, exercising your First Amendment rights can land you in a cell—citizen or not.

Despite the Trump administration’s efforts to criminalize dissent and expand the machinery needed to enforce it, this is not a partisan expansion—it’s a structural one and it is being built to outlast any single presidency.

Look closer and you’ll see the outlines of a system built not for justice, but for mass containment and control.

This isn’t speculation. We’ve seen this trajectory before.

Critics of the post-9/11 security state—left, right, and libertarian alike—have long warned that the powers granted to fight terrorism and control immigration would eventually be turned inward, used against dissidents, protestors, and ordinary citizens.

That moment has arrived.

Power, once granted, rarely shrinks. It merely changes hands.

That’s why the Founders placed limits on federal power in the first place—because they knew that even well-meaning government programs would metastasize into tyranny if left unchecked.

Yet Trump’s most vocal supporters remain dangerously convinced they have nothing to fear from this expanding enforcement machine. But history—and the Constitution—say otherwise.

Our founders understood that unchecked government power, especially in the name of public safety, is the most dangerous threat to liberty. That’s why they enshrined rights like due process, trial by jury, and protection from unreasonable searches.

Those safeguards are now being hollowed out.

Immigration courts already operate without juries and allow indefinite detention. Civil liberties have been eroded by predictive policing, no-knock raids, and dragnet surveillance. Asset forfeiture laws allow the government to seize property without charges.

Now, with billions more in detention funding, these tactics are being scaled up and normalized for broader use.

And the public is being conditioned to accept it.

The pageantry surrounding Alligator Alcatraz isn’t just about capacity—it’s about spectacle. The prison, which was built in eight days, features more than 200 security cameras, 28,000-plus feet of barbed wire and 400 security personnel.

This is not a correctional facility. It’s a warning.

A government that rules by fear must maintain that fear.

Trump’s detention expansion—like the mass surveillance programs before it—is not about making America safe. It’s about following the blueprints for authoritarian control in order to lock down the country.

The Trump administration claims its expanding detention regime is aimed at curbing illegal immigration and violent crime. In reality, the new federal budget significantly broadens ICE’s mandate and resources, supercharges its reach through private-public surveillance partnerships, and grants it sweeping policing powers to investigate so-called domestic threats, operate pretrial detention centers, and detain individuals without formal charges under emergency powers.

These are not the tools of a free society. They are the instruments of a permanent security state.

We’re told we must trade liberty for security. But whose security, and at what cost?

With this expansion, we are moving from a nation of laws to a nation of executive decrees, predictive enforcement, and pre-crime detention. Already, courtrooms have become conveyor belts to prison, designed to serve the state, not justice.

The government’s targets may be the vulnerable today—but the infrastructure is built for everyone: Trump’s administration is laying the legal groundwork for indefinite detention of citizens and noncitizens alike.

Executive power during a declared emergency knows few bounds. And those bounds are becoming looser with every new bill, every new detention center, every new algorithm.

This is not just about building prisons. It’s about dismantling the constitutional protections that make us free.

A nation cannot remain free while operating as a security state. And a government that treats liberty as a threat will soon treat the people as enemies.

This is not a partisan warning. It is a constitutional one.

Trump’s supporters may cheer the crackdown now, but what happens when these powers are turned inward?

What happens when a future administration—left, right, or otherwise—decides that your political speech, your religious views, or your refusal to comply with a federal mandate constitutes a threat to order?

What happens when you’re arrested under suspicion, held without trial, and processed through a court system designed for speed, not fairness?

What happens when Alligator Alcatraz becomes the model for every state?

We are dangerously close to losing the constitutional guardrails that keep power in check.

The very people who once warned against Big Government—the ones who decried the surveillance state, the IRS, and federal overreach—are now cheering for the most dangerous part of it: the unchecked power to surveil, detain, and disappear citizens without full due process.

Limited government, not mass incarceration, is the backbone of liberty.

The Founders warned that the greatest threat to liberty was not a foreign enemy, but domestic power left unchecked. That’s exactly what we’re up against now. A nation cannot claim to defend freedom while building a surveillance-fueled, prison-industrial empire.

Trump’s prison state is not a defense of America. It’s the destruction of everything America was meant to defend.

We can pursue justice without abandoning the Constitution. We can secure our borders and our communities without turning every American into a suspect and building a federal gulag.

But we must act now.

History has shown us where this road leads. As I make clear in my book Battlefield America: The War on the American People and in its fictional counterpart The Erik Blair Diaries, once the machinery of tyranny is built, it rarely stays idle.

If we continue down this path, cheering on bigger prisons, broader police powers, and unchecked executive authority—if we fail to reject the dangerous notion that more prisons, more power, and fewer rights will somehow make us safer—if we fail to restore the foundational limits that protect us from government overreach before those limits are gone for good—we may wake up to find that the prisons and concentration camps the police state is building won’t just hold others.

One day, they may hold us all.

Originally published via The Rutherford Institute

Constitutional attorney and author John W. Whitehead is founder and president of The Rutherford Institute. His book Battlefield America: The War on the American People (SelectBooks, 2015) is available online at www.amazon.com. Whitehead can be contacted at [email protected]. Nisha Whitehead is the Executive Director of The Rutherford Institute. Information about The Rutherford Institute is available at www.rutherford.org.

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dviouravey
dviouravey
Jul 29, 2025 6:32 PM

Rutherford Institute nailed this.
Shocking but true and so close to home.

Joe
Joe
Jul 14, 2025 11:47 PM

These arguments are myths and outright lies. First off, Whitehead is a European married to a black african, so he is a race mixing degenerate. full stop. Thus the narrative coming from these two is always the same left-wing, jew psyops we’ve been victimized with since jews defeated the German national socialists in WWII. Bottom line is the country has evolved the wrong way for over 100 years. Everything since giving the jews control of our central bank forward has been catastrophic and will take decades to reverse, starting with removal of the tens of millions of foreigners who aren’t here to assimilate into US culture, but destroy it.

antonym
antonym
Jul 13, 2025 4:33 PM

Jeffrey Epstein: The Missing CIA Link (Mike Benz On Jesse Kelly)

R. Merrill
R. Merrill
Jul 12, 2025 2:27 PM

The Whiteheads are only showing that they don’t know much about the US Prison Industrial Complex, and especially the part of it that is aimed at illegal immigrants. Their thesis is correct — the US is becoming a nation which actually fulfills the vision of a “Gulag Archipelego” more than anything said about the old Czarist or Soviet Russia. But this is a process that began long ago. Trump is only following suit. The Aligatro Alcatraz is just a media stunt. It is a grouping of temporary tents. It is a media show.

The real story of ICE national prison system is in the 250 or so ICE Detention Centers that have been built across the US under Obama, and then under Trump and Biden. Biden expanded them more than anyone. You can see most of them listed here on the ICE webstie —

https://www.ice.gov/detention-facilities

The overview presented there is ”

“The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO) mission is to protect the homeland through the arrest and removal of those aliens who undermine the safety of our nation’s communities and the integrity of U.S. immigration laws.
To fulfill the agency’s critical mission, ERO oversees civil immigration detention in facilities nationwide that house aliens to secure their presence for immigration proceedings or removal from the U.S.ICE detains aliens who are subject to mandatory detention or those that ICE determines are a public safety or flight risk during the custody determination process.”

These centers may house over a million immigrants. We have to look at the master planners of immigration for the reasons. This is the Organization for International Migration, headed by an old colleague of Biden and Mayorkas named Amy Pope. She is clear that these are — as the Whiteheads point out — detention centers for holding workers needed for the ever fluctuating demands of low wage jobs. Here are Biden, Mayorkas, and Pope talking about this in 2012 — the plans were already complete back then.

https://youtu.be/peF-ae2AINU

All nations of the West are deliberately being transformed by mass migration. Biden, Mayorkas, and Pope perfectly understood this 15 years ago. Under Obama Mayorkas was director of USCIS, the organization that reviews applications and issues immigrant visas. He totally destroyed this agency, making legal migration nearly impossible. That opened the door for illegal migration. Now illegal migrants are being rounded up and placed in prisons. We are clearing a semi-slave labor force.

Whatever
Whatever
Jul 12, 2025 4:52 PM
Reply to  R. Merrill

And let us not forget the National Defense Authorization Act of 2013, signed by Obama, which allowed the military to detain a U.S. citizen indefinitely, without charge or trial for suspicion of ties to terrorism. So much for the 4th amendment, or the 1st for that matter.

judith
judith
Jul 13, 2025 1:09 PM
Reply to  R. Merrill

You could aso go as far back as the Private Prison Industry initiatives during the Clinton years.

Catherine Austin Fitts covered this very indidious subject years ago. You can find her writings on the Solari Report under “Missing Money”.

At one point Harvard University’s (some would say) slush fund fed into the funds for these private enterprises. But they are not the only ones. It goes very deep.

Privately owned prisons. That should be considered domestic terrorism.

Not that the government run prisons are better, but…

John
John
Jul 12, 2025 7:17 AM

Liberal argments moaning that the low IQ races are being sent home.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 13, 2025 7:55 AM
Reply to  John

A very low IQ comment. But not alone, just one of a vast consortium of snobs who are soft in the head, as MLK once put it.

John
John
Jul 13, 2025 10:33 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

MLK cheated on his wife and was a worthless man.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 13, 2025 2:11 PM
Reply to  John

Well, you’ve nailed J Edgar’s official version. .So you have that down pat. [Ed.:Overlooking MLK’s towering stature, though, so that’s at least one discrepancy.]

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Jul 13, 2025 4:29 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

It’s a common sense, “the emperor’s not wearing any clothes” argument. It’s blindingly obvious. It’s an argument made by people who are not “soft in the head,” but who are hard in the heart. It’s an argument in favor of ones own survival.

Nevertheless, it’s not the only argument, or maybe even a useful one to make.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 15, 2025 4:19 AM
Reply to  Pilgrim Shadow

You lost me. Your comment is laconic to the point I can’t connect the dots, the ones that you left.

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Jul 15, 2025 3:13 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Hmm. I thought it was pretty straightforward. To rephrase, then:

Not wanting millions of culturally alien, low IQ, low or no skill persons to invade one’s country, is not an “low IQ argument made by snobs who are soft in the head,” but rather, an existential, common sense argument.

brian of nazareth
brian of nazareth
Jul 11, 2025 8:14 PM

Every time I read a piece by the Whiteheads, I just think “Ted was right.”

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 15, 2025 4:19 AM

Ted Nugent?

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Jul 15, 2025 3:14 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Turd Pungent.

Vagabard
Vagabard
Jul 11, 2025 6:44 PM

Lock everyone up. Why not.

Wasn’t the original idea to let every weird deviant out into the community so as to integrate better amidst normal people? Or did I miss something…

Erik Nielsen.
Erik Nielsen.
Jul 11, 2025 10:24 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

One rotten tomato can ruin the dinner for the whole family.
n principle you are right but some people are stepping over a red line and need special attention from professionals where both they and we are better off.

Then we have the opposite problem. In the public system they can be so horny for weirdos that we end in up slum, favelas, and un-controlled areas.
Simply because ‘they’ get more funding and promotions and equipment out of weirdos.

So its a system problem. A problem in the system where people are not adult and experienced enough to handle these kind of affairs.

If it only was a matter of educating or including normal people into the society, the idea of integrating in an already established community is fine.

I dont have a solution as there are too many selfish interests and too few men with courage to set the line..

Tamim
Tamim
Jul 11, 2025 6:09 PM

The time for concern has long since passed. And I’ll admit to schadenfreude here.. Am content to sit back and watch Trump drive the US straight off a cliff edge.

Republicofscotland
Republicofscotland
Jul 11, 2025 4:44 PM

Excellent article and spot on, compliant, blackmailed or – on the payroll judges will make sure that these private sector prisons remain full, add in that juryless trials ( if they are not already in use) will speed up the incarceration of people, all that remains is – law changes to allow people to be imprisoned for speaking out, especially if they are speaking the truth about something that the US establishment doesn’t want anyone to hear or read about.

I saw a documentary several years ago, about how the private sector (USA) can quickly throw up what looked like to me – inhumane prefabricated prison cells, that left the prisoner with very little privacy, think of grey egg boxes, and each section for an egg is the equivalent to a prison cell, scaled up of course, and made from prefabricated concrete.

As in the movie Shawshank Redemption, I’d imagine that prisoners will be leased out to carry out work for the private sector – at a cost to the private company, but the cost will be much less than if the company employed folk in a normal fashion, these hiring outs are the new version of the chain gangs.

America is well underway to becoming a Draconian state, its domestic law enforcement agencies such as local police forces, their officers dress as though they are combat troops in a foreign battlefield, they are equipped with military vehicles, and a whole host of weapons that wouldn’t look out of place in a national armies arsenal.

Of course the US props up many evil oppressive regimes in the ME etc, that do the same things, and the likes of China, doesn’t publish the amount of people it executes every year from prisons, and Putin couldn’t have retained power for over twenty-years, without implementing similar tactics, the world is moving towards fascism once more – or has fascism always been there, quietly smouldering in the background, yes I think it has.

Lizzyh7
Lizzyh7
Jul 11, 2025 4:43 PM

How do we secure our borders without some kind of enforcement of that? In this entire article, not one word mentioned of the corrupt NGOs and “charities” that in essence brought migrants here with promises of jobs, housing and support using American taxpayer dollars? Nothing about the very public taxpayer support to the tune of billions of dollars so that Americans know migrants are getting government paid services those taxpayers themselves could only dream of? Nothing about the law of supply and demand for housing as an example, that millions of “newcomers” does indeed drive up housing costs for citizens merely trying to survive? And let’s don’t even mention the massive problem of homeless US citizens who are NOT having their housing subsidized by government. They’re lucky to get a tent, probably supplied by another NGO, and usually then face another government institution confiscating that tent under laws that criminalize homelessness, at least for US citizens…

As for jobs Americans “won’t do,” how about if those Americans were paid a living wage to do all those jobs? How about what our economy might look like if all those workers, including migrants, were paid a living wage? That might destroy all those big bonuses for all those corporate leaders who are now screaming how much they need all that cheap labor, telling us our economy will fail without it while not mentioning just how much wealth is being siphoned off in all those big salaries and bonuses. Nothing about the blatant exploitation of cheaper migrant labor, but a full throated defense of a system that relies on cheap labor to survive? Not much at all about the resulting destabilization this causes, which is the intent for doing it in the first place.

As for prison labor, yes that is deeply exploitive, but there are plenty of American citizens incarcerated who already face that type of exploitation – apparently that is OK as long as they aren’t migrants? I’m sure most migrants are not hardened criminals, but would you really find it surprising that countries who’ve been ruthlessly exploited by US free market economics, sanctioned for decades with the resulting failure of their own government systems, would not see an opportunity to free up some space in their own prison systems by sending their worst up here to the Great Satan? Personally, I find it somewhat racist to assume that would not be done. And really, how this is a good thing for those running to the US to escape that criminal element, while competing with it for resources once they arrive in the US, I surely do not see.

While all that is a rundown of the situation we find ourselves in now, the argument focuses entirely on Trump while ignoring those who created this in the first place. Martial Law is indeed the intent here, but rest assured, even IF we voted out the big bad Orange Man tomorrow, this agenda will continue. Our owners need Trump and the righteous outrage he has used to get elected, just like they need those open borders to ensure not only the outrage, but the exploitation of us all.

Mark41
Mark41
Jul 11, 2025 9:08 PM
Reply to  Lizzyh7

So we create a huge problem of illegals in our country, crime goes up, costs go up, standard of living and civility goes down and you try to fix it and you are the bad guys. A little help would be appreciated, but no, let’s just resist and continue on with the destruction of our country and other countries in the name of Social Justice.

Erik Nielsen.
Erik Nielsen.
Jul 11, 2025 10:35 PM
Reply to  Mark41

We already helped USA too much. I am tired of all these crybabies from US begging on their knees for help, assistance, doctors, empathy, understanding and money. “Our women should do it”.

A fila andar:https://yandex.ru/video/preview/13908893776334185515 .

John
John
Jul 12, 2025 7:23 AM
Reply to  Mark41

Never forget this website was set up by former guardian readers! Über libs who got kicked off that site. They’re still ineffectual. Offering nothing but hand wringing about racism/realism. They have all the wrong answers and just love to implement them.

underground poet
underground poet
Jul 13, 2025 2:01 AM
Reply to  John

When there are no right answers, everything is wrong.

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Jul 13, 2025 4:17 PM

Turning and turning in the widening gyre   
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere   
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst   
Are full of passionate intensity.

There are right answers, but there’s little confidence and even less courage.

judith
judith
Jul 12, 2025 12:43 PM
Reply to  Lizzyh7

I agree. The agenda will continue. It has and it will no matter who is the face in Office.

I don’t understand how people cannot see it. I am surrounded in life by peope who hate Trump and think that HE is the reason for everthing bad in the US.

As if there is not a Congress that votes for and approves the bills that these people hate.

Not to mention the fact that they are all controlled in one way or another.

The agenda will continue.

SeverelyRegarded
SeverelyRegarded
Jul 11, 2025 9:48 AM

Read the room, everyone wants violent immigrants removed from society

Clearing Out The Scum

judith
judith
Jul 11, 2025 1:42 PM

Are immigrants the only violent people in society?

How about… oh, say…..The Military Industrial Complex?

Johnny
Johnny
Jul 11, 2025 1:54 PM
Reply to  judith

Exactly.
White blokes (mainly) in suits.

SeverelyRegarded
SeverelyRegarded
Jul 11, 2025 3:12 PM
Reply to  judith

How about a bit less whataboutism?

judith
judith
Jul 12, 2025 12:47 PM

OK. No whataboutism. I’ll just say it – I live in a country that is run by the Military Industrial Complex.

THAT’s violent.

There were no illegal immigrants telling locking me down, masking me up, jabbing me with a poison, and lying about all of it.

People died and were terribly injured. Not by illegal immigrants, but by Operation Warp Speed. Controlled by the Military Industrial Complex.

underground poet
underground poet
Jul 13, 2025 2:07 AM
Reply to  judith

How exactly would one know if someone tried to apply a financial turnakit around the military’s, neck say, that beast is going to squirm like a killer whale out of water.

This should be noticed somehow, but just how

Rolling Rock
Rolling Rock
Jul 11, 2025 5:32 PM
Reply to  judith

The MIC is an establishment entity that has a monopoly on ‘legalised’ violence, through its enforcers. However, for the ordinary citizen when faced with random unvetted criminal elements on the streets, who in many cases should not be in the country in the first place it is not enhancing the quality of their life nor that of the rest of society.

So virtue signalling whataboutism is not going to improve the situation, is it?

Erik Nielsen.
Erik Nielsen.
Jul 11, 2025 10:50 PM
Reply to  Rolling Rock

Its just…..with B52…..7 wars in 5 years…genocides, My Lai, Iraq, Fallujah, Guantanamo, Syria, Giant Prisons, 9/11, m.m., you are pointing at a little revolver from Smith and Wesson and tell us:
“we have problems with new immigrants, not the old”?

We (Judith and I, the holy ones) are just asking for some proportion. We just raise a little finger.comment image .

But ethics was not allowed. Our human rights, our free speech, our human civilisation, everything fine was trampled on, banned and prohibited!

judith
judith
Jul 12, 2025 12:50 PM
Reply to  Rolling Rock

There are many many criminal elements in the street who are United States citizens.

There are many criminal elements that sit in board rooms and government offices.

They scare me more than criminal elements on the street.

Blaming illegal immigrants instead of looking at who initiates and facilitates that issue is really not going to improve the situation, is it?

underground poet
underground poet
Jul 13, 2025 2:08 AM
Reply to  Rolling Rock

No, but lets put like domestic issues first over policing the world

Erik Nielsen.
Erik Nielsen.
Jul 11, 2025 2:33 PM

Thanks, but no thanks. We already know what is going on in front of our eyes. They are just using immigrants as scapegoats for their own violent nature.

Professionals call it “Projective Identification”.

Centuries long ethnic cleaning of USA’s own original natives.
A global military budget on 2 trillion USD, whereof US is spending 50% in wars against the entire globe.

These are hard proven facts! Nowhere to run, and the excuses are not accepted.

Erik Nielsen.
Erik Nielsen.
Jul 11, 2025 2:37 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen.

All countries on our planet is said to spend sum $2 trillion. US spend 1$ trillion.

lu1
lu1
Jul 11, 2025 4:35 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen.

A mere pittance of what the controllers of the entire marble spent fighting “their own” people (i.e. the 95% a-holes) during Co-n-vid.

https://www.imf.org/en/Blogs/Articles/2020/05/20/tracking-the-9-trillion-global-fiscal-support-to-fight-covid-19

From that graph it seems the “US” spent a relative % pittance cf “some others”.

Nationalism is an equal group think infantile challenger to Religion.   

Erik Nielsen.
Erik Nielsen.
Jul 11, 2025 5:16 PM
Reply to  lu1

I am close to agree with you. But it is worse than that.

Not only are there too many ar-holes but especially white men are disgusting pathetic sissies with their attitude to brave women with a backbone. https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/09/rubio-united-nations-sanctions-00445149 .

Marco Rubio go home with your hard-on pls. https://yandex.ru/video/preview/6191292665279933516 .

MartinU
MartinU
Jul 11, 2025 2:36 PM

This is Britain. The people that are being targeted locally — California — aren’t “violent immigrants”. They’re anything but; they’re invariably hard working people living very quiet lives — and a surprising number of them aren’t newly arrived.

Lu1
Lu1
Jul 11, 2025 4:38 PM
Reply to  MartinU

hard working people living very quiet lives

Until they are told that you are a voken super spreader.

Republicofscotland
Republicofscotland
Jul 11, 2025 5:06 PM
Reply to  MartinU

Its not quite Britain yet, but its getting there, judges are bought -off (Julian Assange a prime example) – prisons are inhumane and under staffed, thousands of prisoners (not serious crimes) have been released in Britain before their time has been served due to steep overcrowding and very poor conditions – private sector prisons are on the rise in Britain – such as, HMP Addiewell, where conditions are terrible, and violence and drug abuse are rife – and staff is at a minimum.

The British government have introduced strict laws, and any body of folk, that they don’t like, demonstrating, such as Palestine Action is quickly proscribed – and you could find yourself in prison, for voicing a pro-opinion of this group or several other peaceful groups.

The English parliament constantly harps on via its compliant pro-Zionist media about immigration – that side of things is about head turning us away from what the Westminster parliament is up to abroad, and in some cases at home.

Rolling Rock
Rolling Rock
Jul 11, 2025 5:44 PM
Reply to  MartinU

That video where the African became abusive to the Youtuber was filmed in Rome. Not Britain.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 13, 2025 8:31 AM
Reply to  MartinU

I’ve lived in the midst of Mexicanos for years and years and I’m usually the only gringo at Spanish language Mass, for years and years, [i.e., apartheid lite, Amerikan Style] and I can verify from personal experience that you are absolutely right. When God made the Mexican He created one of his greatest kinds, a masterpiece.

“Non fecit taliter omni nationi”

Old Testament verse inscribed beneath a replica of Our Lady of Guadalupe tilma, at Mission Basilica San Juan Capistrano.

It refers to Her miraculous Image, the banner for the past five hundred years of the Mexicano:

“He has not done thus for any other nation.”

And so it is.

Well, they all know all too well in Southern California, here, what this is all about, since their people went through it all, and far worse, during the Cristero War brought them by 33rd degree Freemason Presidente Plutarco Calles.

Almost exactly, now, a century ago, 1926 to 1929, as he managed to get 100,000 Mexicans killed in a matter of 30 months or so..

“Plus ça change…” etc.

~~~~~

But long before that, Leland Stanford in California made the Chinese the political scapegoats du jour, touting The Chinese Exclusion Act of the 1880s, and “The Yellow Peril”as during all that “timely” hysteria they killed and burned down Chinatowns throughout the “Golden State” (lot of gold in play, in those early years, in their statewide Rush.)

“Plus ça change….” Etcetera, “encore une fois”.

Republicofscotland
Republicofscotland
Jul 11, 2025 4:54 PM

The excellent article isn’t all about removing immigrants, its about ending up unjustly in prison, for speaking the truth to power, and how the private sector will gladly oblige the state and lock you up – private sector prisons need to be kept full to make a profit, and trumped up laws (no pun intended) and compliant judges will make sure they are kept full.

Incidentally I read that Mexicans were helping to rescue the people of Texas due to the very bad floods, whilst US Marines were hunting down Mexicans further North (can’t recall which state) in the USA.

But I agree that unfettered immigration is a bad thing for any nation.

For me ICE are just the Proud Boys with badges, they look the same – and dress the same, and unsurprisingly act the same.

MartinU
MartinU
Jul 11, 2025 5:49 PM

>just the Proud Boys with badges

That’s exactly who they are which is why they go to such lengths to hide their identities. They don’t carry any insignia, they might have ‘ICE’ or some such on their flak jackets but its the sort of think that any militia wannabe can get mail order. Their primary badge of authority are the assault rifles they brandish — and threaten people with. The police forces are unable to intervene because they’re “Federal” but they have been instructed to find out who they are and to video any activity. (They also have to keep the peace…usual police stuff.)

The 700 Marines and 4000 National Guard are nominally ‘guarding’ Federal facilities. I think they’re actually been kept around for when someone takes a pot shot at ICE; then they can go in hot ‘n heavy claiming ‘insurrection’. So far nobody’s taken the bait, surprising because its so tempting. (ICE looks convincing if you’re unarmed but if they were somewhere like Ukraine they’d have a life expectancy measured in seconds.)

Lizzyh7
Lizzyh7
Jul 12, 2025 4:46 PM
Reply to  MartinU

Well, one reason they all wear masks is the doxxing phenomenon, which seems pretty rampant now, so make of that what you will. If anyone does anything you don’t like, just dox ’em and you can get a vicarious thrill fucking up someone else’s life. Never mind the one hurt or perhaps killed is a family member, why they’re just collateral damage doncha know? It’s OK to call a cop for that type of thing, but one must not ever call cops to put down peaceful protests, no matter how less than peaceful those become.

As for one of those protestors taking a pot shot, that’s pretty close to already happening, so very soon you’ll get your wish there. While so many think all these pathetic protests are a good thing, the more of those that happen will just give our owners the excuse for real martial law. And for heaven’s sake, ignore all that destruction of public property, just let them tag it and break every damned piece of glass they can find. Burn it all down. Yippee. I’m sure all those local business owners are just fine with that, as well as the residents of those places.

Personally, at this point, if states want to protect illegals by fucking over their own citizens I say let’s get ICE outta there and let them have at it. But don’t come bitching to the rest of us about a lack of law enforcement when it is your property being destroyed. Rejoice in that, as that just shows your humanity. Hope you can provide your own power and water too, as destruction of those types of things just might be on the list of tactics to really stick it to the Man.

And ah yes, get that Proud Boys remark in there, make it partisan as much as possible. Our owners do love them some team sports stupidity out of the plebes, and the plebes never disappoint.

The Real Edwige
The Real Edwige
Jul 11, 2025 8:37 AM

Trump supports megaprisons and re-opening Alcatraz; Democrats lean more and more to the decarceration movement:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_abolition_movement_in_the_United_States

It’s a great example of engineered polarisation. The goal seems to be to get the population believing both things at once. For the few who cling on to their sanity and want something in-between the two lunatic extremes…. the only option will be to support technocracy. The potential for the Tech Bros to make a fortune here can hardly be overstated. VR is a form of imprisonment anyway….

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Jul 11, 2025 7:50 PM

The thing is, if you have Laws, then you have to have enforcement, otherwise, you make a mockery of the Laws, which no one then respects.

Then, there’s Anarcho/tyranny: “Anarcho-tyranny is a social condition characterized by a combination of anarchy and tyranny, where the government is simultaneously ineffective at enforcing laws against criminal behavior and overly oppressive against law-abiding citizens.”

https://x.com/pmarca/status/1821448118917033989?lang=en

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 13, 2025 8:37 AM
Reply to  Pilgrim Shadow

Brought us by years of Corporate Anarchy

Rolling Rock
Rolling Rock
Jul 11, 2025 8:03 AM

OT…. but I have been shocked in the last few weeks to discover the number of people I know using ChatGPT.

For example, shopping to find the lowest prices and availability of items. Another for writing marketing spiels, one for creating the interview process to hire someone and another for transcribing some audio into written form. Plus others for a whole host of things.

All have children, some of them young and a couple have grandchildren. No thoughts at all regarding their futures.

The controllers are not going to feed, clothe and house 8 billion people and pay them UBI to sit on their arses all day playing video games, despite what Yuval Harari said.

We all know what happens to the chickens that stop laying, the cows that no longer produce milk and the sheep whose wool is no longer of good quality. The farmer does what the farmer must do.

We live on a farm and we are the livestock. Wakey, wakey.

Lu1
Lu1
Jul 11, 2025 2:29 PM
Reply to  Rolling Rock

There was never a chance of waking – if they were already gone it would be a relief.

That might also, miraculously, provide us with better odds.

Rolling Rock
Rolling Rock
Jul 11, 2025 5:09 PM
Reply to  Lu1

Yeh, I know that they are already a lost cause. I am bit more generous than the 95% you say, I think maybe 90% or a bit less. Either way too many to carry and an impediment, especially the enablers.

Erik Nielsen.
Erik Nielsen.
Jul 11, 2025 2:52 PM
Reply to  Rolling Rock

Well, the problem is there are also wolves outside the farm. Its about getting fit for the hard life in nature and when ready, then jumping over the fence just before slaughter time.

Lu1
Lu1
Jul 11, 2025 4:26 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen.

Indeed.

Just so long as you and the other sheep do not get out then we might, just might, have a chance.

Erik Nielsen.
Erik Nielsen.
Jul 11, 2025 5:29 PM
Reply to  Lu1

My class are not sheep little boy.

Like you, some street gangs also believed I was easy pray until the first punch hit them, physically…..mentally. Actually I am amazed you still stand.

You know these types within boxing they call stoneheads?

Lu1
Lu1
Jul 12, 2025 10:08 AM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen.

I suppose, big boy, a good start could be your preferred deity (YHWH) decimating the “Palestinian” sucklings.

Rolling Rock
Rolling Rock
Jul 11, 2025 5:17 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen.

That is why it is important, regardless of age, to remain healthy and get fit. Ideally fighting fit. Those who are planning on getting through what is to come need to get their arses down the gym or find some other serious exercise regimen. Strength, cardio, stamina will all count. Plus, getting those life skills upto scratch.

Erik Nielsen.
Erik Nielsen.
Jul 11, 2025 5:38 PM
Reply to  Rolling Rock

Precisely. Here is what some politicians do to live long.. Walk and act and practise. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/i-didnt-make-an-effort-to-live-this-long-malaysias-former-leader-mahathir-mohamad-turns-100 .

The guy had 2 bypass operation and despite all he got 100 years old…..and still work. This what I call tough.

collins
collins
Jul 12, 2025 10:05 AM
Reply to  Rolling Rock

OT…. but I have been shocked in the last few weeks to discover the number of people I know using ChatGPT.

Lots of people including a certain website and forum seem to believe most of your 100’s of posts with 100’s of different names you use on O.G are written by a.i.

Your very busy on this site.

Rolling Rock
Rolling Rock
Jul 13, 2025 7:35 AM
Reply to  collins

Another day, another multi-ID that you have created. This one of yours just a couple of days old after you got it through pre-mod with a couple of bland comments.

100s of different names on OffG? There are not even a hundred in total here. So I am everyone, including you. You really are a paranoid schizophrenic.

I don’t need AI to write a few paragraphs. It is not difficult, so no need to be envious. I’m hardly writing the works of Shakespeare, am I?

You too could learn to write in basic English. There are night classes for remedial little yellow bus types like yourself, then at least your usual output of incoherent, semi-literate drivel won’t look like a monkey typed it bashing away randomly at a keyboard.

Or, alternatively, don’t type when you are high. Just put the crack pipe down!

By the way, you spineless jellyfish, I think I will start commenting, if I feel bored, at that website where you and your ‘people’, (your 20 other multi-IDs) like to talk about many OffG commenters, hiding away cowardly. Let’s have some real fun.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 11, 2025 5:03 AM

Executive power during a declared emergency knows few bounds.

But the exercise of executive power during an ACTUAL emergency is a constitutional requirement. Moreover, defending the Republic against all enemies is the DUTY of all citizens.

The plan seems to be progressing smoothly:

Hear what Pence thinks is behind Trump’s shift on Putin
CNN
Jul 10, 2025
Former Vice President Mike Pence talks with CNN’s Kate Bolduan about President Trump’s public shift on Vladimir Putin and the war in Ukraine.

Erik Nielsen.
Erik Nielsen.
Jul 11, 2025 3:09 PM

The Interview is interesting:

US VP Mike Pence: “We gave Ukraine Stinger Missiles to make peace with Russia”.
“Putin attacked Kiev with 500 Drones and 18 missiles in 2 days who killed at least 2 people in a merciless attack on Kiev’s civilians”. “Putin wants the war to go on and refuse peace”.  😭  .

500 drones and 18 missiles to kill 2 civilians? Do you believe Mr. Pence stories”??

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 11, 2025 9:26 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen.

They’re using drone swarms with each drone carrying a small amount of explosive – most of which get shot down. Given that the civilian population will be protected by sheltering. The probability of being killed will be very small.

Big Al
Big Al
Jul 11, 2025 4:44 AM

“Trump’s”. “Biden’s”. The last two U.S. presidents in particular have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that U.S. presidents are controlled by those that got them there. When people talk about how Trump is doing this, or Trump is making this happen, or Trump wants this or that, it’s not Trump. That should be very clear by now, especially by those familiar with Project 2025 and the zionist (with a lower z) influence on American politics, and anyone who really listens to what Trump says without a cultish zombie like cognitive dissonance. Biden, at one point earlier in his godawful political “career” (now there’s a problem we don’t talk about enough), seemed like a fairly intelligent person, albeit a liar and criminal totally on the side of oligarchy. But then he became old and senile and a complete puppet while serving the head role at the White House. About as obvious as it can get. The Trump comes along, again. Trump has always been a simpleton. A silver spoon simpleton. Which has never been more true than now. He’s obviously so fucking ignorant and such a psychotic narcissists liar, that it’s like a child has taken over the country, along with his completely ignorant childish supporters. The latest thing was with his visit with the Liberian president and how he, childishly, remarked how good he spoke english. And of course, the national language of Liberia is english. How fucking stupid, ignorant and childish can you get? It really makes one wonder about the human race that this person is about the most important person on the planet. That’s just the latest in a long list of incredibly stupid, ignorant, and contradictory things coming out of Trump’s mouth. So to think Trump actually thinks up these things, like mega prisons, while munching on some KFC and drinking his diet cokes, is as stupid as he is. I guess the good news is, now we have unequivocal proof about Trump, the U.S. political system, and the office of the President of the United States. Not that we didn’t it before. The only recourse is to get rid of the whole damn thing and start over.

That said, and unfortunately, this trajectory for complete control of all our weak asses won’t stop with Trump gone. He’s just a conduit, via extreme reality show distraction, to really get the ball rolling.

Johnny
Johnny
Jul 11, 2025 8:12 AM
Reply to  Big Al

Yep.
If Bush junior and Trump we’re sitting in a room together the chairs would have a higher total IQ than those two Turds.

underground poet
underground poet
Jul 13, 2025 2:14 AM
Reply to  Johnny

The big deal is there are no back up turds beyond those two, only hells ghost proxy ones who lose in a final street battle during the Armageddon, the ghosts of gvts past, and who actually wants to be among the living dead going forward

MartinU
MartinU
Jul 11, 2025 2:42 PM
Reply to  Big Al

This is why I refer to our politicians as’ ‘sponsored’. Traditional fundraising from individuals for Federal elections is meaningless, is more a sort of straw poll to gage sentiment. The real money is in PACs and lobbying so the only thing that’s missing from Congress, for example, are the corporate logos decorating their suits like they’re F1 drivers.

antonym
antonym
Jul 11, 2025 4:14 AM

Pending again: has the Encroachment Of The Bio-Digital Control Grid reached OG?

antonym
antonym
Jul 11, 2025 3:58 AM

With the huge tolerated illegal immigrant waves into the US what is the meaning of Department of Homeland Security?

Can any woke answer this simple question?

sunmoongone
sunmoongone
Jul 11, 2025 9:08 AM
Reply to  antonym

Move the army to the borders?

Erik Nielsen.
Erik Nielsen.
Jul 11, 2025 3:21 PM
Reply to  antonym

Its because all benefit. The taxation and salaries are too high in Western countries, why immigrants take the low paid smut jobs, and send back home money to their families.

As especially UK and US too want to keep the third nations down to steal their resources and have cheap labour, it is a self-inflicting process.

All right you want immigrants out yes? All home problems resolved yes?
Then stop infiltrating their countries, making regime changes and colour revolutions, assassinate their Presidents and replace intelligent their Men with arselickers.

Leave them alone and let them develop by their own means. Wuahh wuahh wuahh we cant do that now. See?

Michael JF
Michael JF
Jul 11, 2025 3:53 AM

“We’re told we must trade liberty for security. But whose security, and at what cost?”

Whose security? All part of the MIGA plan paid for by you.

Penelope
Penelope
Jul 11, 2025 2:56 AM

Vaccinating poultry during an ongoing outbreak could create unwanted consequences, like antigenic shift. (This is when viruses mutate inside vaccinated animals, potentially creating new, more dangerous versions.) 
Hulscher pointed to research suggesting that non-sterilizing vaccines — those that don’t fully prevent infection — can speed up viral evolution. 
Injected with mRNA or antigen-based vaccines, it could linger in the meat or eggs. Cooking might destroy it — but we don’t know for sure

NEW CEPI/GATES 100% FATAL ENGINEERED VIRUS
Published yesterday in Journal of General Virology, Dutch lab claims to’ve made a variant of bird flu transmissable between mammalian species & 100% fatal.
https://jonfleetwood.substack.com/p/dutch-lab-breeds-100-fatal-mutant

This Fall UK & US are running large pandemic simulations (rehearsals?). In the UK it’s called “Pegasus;” in US it’s DARPA-run.  
https://jonfleetwood.substack.com/p/pegasus-uk-to-run-largest-ever-national

Lu1
Lu1
Jul 11, 2025 2:34 PM
Reply to  Penelope

This is when viruses mutate inside vaccinated animals, potentially creating new, more dangerous versions.

Jaysus, how would they know – voken Hemifusomes only just became, er, a thing.

Erik Nielsen.
Erik Nielsen.
Jul 11, 2025 3:27 PM
Reply to  Penelope

There is no ‘vira’. Virus is a name the industry invented to avoid paying for damages.

Vira is any obstacle your body dont want and therefore react naturally by rejecting its entrance in one or another way
.
The body is just met with a new hard challenges when these hostile objects now are being injected directly into sound children’s blood veins and called vaccines.

red lester
red lester
Jul 11, 2025 4:42 PM
Reply to  Penelope

Just to match the outbreak timeline from 2017:

https://dn721905.ca.archive.org/0/items/spars-2025a-2028/spars 2025a2028_text.pdf

les online
les online
Jul 11, 2025 2:23 AM

“In ! Boom ! Out !”
is how President Trump described his
Plan to “Obliterate” Iran’s nuclear sites…
Melanie Trump said she was familiar with the idea…

Erik Nielsen.
Erik Nielsen.
Jul 11, 2025 3:33 PM
Reply to  les online

Trump didnt think 1 minute it could happen the other way around yes?
Yellowstone, Tel Aviv, London: “In, 3 boom! Out!”. https://yandex.ru/video/preview/18379572863167281309 .

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jul 11, 2025 2:19 AM

The prison state is and has been bi-partisan.

les online
les online
Jul 11, 2025 12:23 AM

Let’s Seize The Opportunity !!
Let’s let The People decide, via referendum:
“Shall We go to war with Russia ?”
Those who vote “yes !”, especially amongst the monied classes,
will be conscripted to go do the fighting…

Lets Seize The Opportunity !!
POTUS Trump is imposing heaps of tariffs on Friends
and Foes alike.
Let’s Judo him ! Let’s uncouple from The USA –
Let’s boycott US goods and services** ??

** And break our addiction to US Armaments !!

Johnny
Johnny
Jul 10, 2025 11:39 PM

Meanwhile, the real criminals strut like Emperors.

Hail
Hail
Jul 10, 2025 9:25 PM

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Aloysius
Aloysius
Jul 10, 2025 7:59 PM

I love this. The rich move heaven and earth to farce the country chock-full with immigrants. So they can make money off of the immigrants’ lowering of overall wages and raising of overall rents, and then they make more money out of arresting them and building prisons to hold them. To pay for the importation of more immigrants. It’s a perfect perpetual motion machine. Brilliant. Genius.

Johnny
Johnny
Jul 11, 2025 2:06 AM
Reply to  Aloysius

C’mon, someone’s gotta clean the toilets, cut the grass, wash our SUVs and volunteer to be blown up.

Aloysius
Aloysius
Jul 11, 2025 9:05 PM
Reply to  Johnny

You can do all that stuff yourself. Or poor citizens can.

But you can’t pick tomatoes. Americans are literally, yes, literally, not strong enough to pick tomatoes. Not any of them. This is a fact, verified time and again by farmers seeking produce pickers. It’s not that Americans “just don’t want to do it.” No. Quite often they want to do it. Produce picking pays more than Walmart by a long shot. But when they try it, the strongest amongst them can’t make more than a half a day before they call it quits.

What is the answer? Cesar Chavez would have said, Pay more, and hire legal American citizens of Mexican ancestry from produce picking families. There are plenty of them.

Johnny
Johnny
Jul 12, 2025 12:20 AM
Reply to  Aloysius

Not strong enough or just too fat and lazy?

Aloysius
Aloysius
Jul 12, 2025 1:10 AM
Reply to  Johnny

fat, yes. Lazy, no. If they try their hardest to pick tomatoes, they fail. Lazy has nothing to do with it.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jul 11, 2025 2:21 AM
Reply to  Aloysius

Indeed, and the Whiteheads play their role in it.