Coronavirus: Media reveals a very familiar agenda
As hysteria dies down, censorship and social control seem to be the big winners
Kit Knightly
The initial, blaring, bright-red headlines over the outbreak of the novel coronavirus appear to be slowing down. Maybe it won’t be apocalyptic after all.
While the number of cases continues to rise, the mortality rate is dropping. Nearly 6000 reported patients have resulted, at the time of writing, in only 106 deaths. A mortality rate of 2.2%.
The Guardian, in a rare example of a sense of perspective, actually reported it could be much, much lower than that yesterday:
However, [the reported death rate] is likely to be an overestimate since there may be a far larger pool of people who have been infected by the virus but who have not suffered severe enough symptoms to attend hospital and so have not been counted in the data.
It is a good point. One to remember.
Elsewhere in the media though, the outbreak is already being transformed into fuel for the two biggest on-going agendas of the Western Deep State: Authoritarian social control, and a crackdown on free speech on the internet.
Arguments for social control
"In 20 years of working on epidemic preparedness, I can't say that I've been more concerned than I am about the current virus."
The CEO of the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations says "most global public health leaders are very concerned" about the coronavirus. pic.twitter.com/wxv28BKBVz
— Channel 4 News (@Channel4News) January 24, 2020
In a bizarre, hysterical, interview with Channel 4 News, Richard Hatchett – CEO of the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations – claimed that he was “very concerned” and the best way to combat the “epidemic” was what he calls “non-pharmaceutical interventions”.
By that he means “preventing mass gatherings, closing schools, and potentially travel bans”. He described the outbreak originating in China as a “silver lining” because of the “extraordinary things” the Chinese government can do.
As Jon Rappoport wrote on his blog:
You could almost hear him thinking, “I wish we could do that in America.”
America, UK, Canada, France, Germany, etc.
You can bet your bottom dollar public health officials all over the world are gathering data on how well “the Chinese experiment” is going. They want to learn lessons. They want to know more about containment, mass quarantines, and lockdowns.
Could, for instance, an American president suddenly declare an emergency in the US and issue orders for travel restrictions on a broad scale?
Could he confine citizens to their cities? Could he bring troops into a city and have them assemble in large public places and wave wands at people to look for body temperature elevation and cart them away to hospitals and other holding areas?
Could federal and state officials cancel sporting and concert events? Could crowds of any kind be forbidden? Could a national election be postponed?
Jon has done great work on this, and encourage you all to read his archive of articles on the subject.
Social media censorship
One aspect of this we haven’t yet discussed is the “misinformation” angle.
Last year, Google responded to calls to “combat disinformation” with a pledge to, essentially, real-time censor breaking news by altering their algorithm to “boost authority”.
It seems this viral outbreak has given them a chance to trial their censorship mechanism. Fox News reporting:
Silicon Valley scrambles to stop coronavirus misinformation
In this article, Fox tells us that Google has been boosting “authoritative” voices on this issue, that Twitter has been re-directing people posting about the coronavirus to the Center for Disease Control (CDC), and that YouTube has been deleting videos promoting coronavirus “conspiracy theories”.
It doesn’t once reference even the concept of free speech. This is how far dialogue on this issue has fallen. Censorship is just an accepted fact of life now. And the media are happy about it.
However, Fox’s article is nothing but a boiled-down, click-bait summary of a much, much scarier article in the Washington Post.
The WaPo headlines:
Facebook, Google and Twitter scramble to stop misinformation about coronavirus
And then essentially makes a case for a total shutdown of any free speech on the internet, citing concern for public health as their cause:
“Some of the misinformation has circulated through private Facebook groups — channels that are hard for researchers to monitor in real-time”
“Twitter, meanwhile, on Monday started steering U.S. users searching for coronavirus-related hashtags to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.”
“Social-networking tools for organizing and creating communities quickly can become problematic echo chambers during health scares.”
“…they also recognize that totally unfettered speech carries immense risks, particularly in the fields of health and medicine.”
“Major disease outbreaks threaten to serve as breeding grounds for even more harmful disinformation, experts said.”
“Thousands of Facebook users also joined newly created communities specifically to swap insight around the coronavirus, a search of the social-networking site shows. That creates bubbles of potential misinformation that researchers say can be hard to penetrate.”
So we can boil it down to a handful of important bullet points:
- Free speech is “dangerous” to public health, especially during a “crisis”
- Social media companies boosting links to “authoritative” government sources is a good thing
- Private Facebook groups are breeding grounds for “misinformation” and “hard to penetrate”
It’s not hard to see where this is going, is it?
It seems that the problem of this new virus has generated the predictable hysterical reaction, and – what do you know – the media are all ready with a shiny, ready-to-use solution.
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If you really want to depress yourself, check the comments under the WaPo article. Not a single person raises even a flicker of concern for the 1st Amendment of their constitution.
On the contrary, there are people happily calling for the government to essentially force its messages on people:
While others will smugly report the supposed limitations of free speech, as an arument in support of private censorship:
You have to think (hope?) that the moderators have been at work, and that the WaPo‘s comments are an even more contrived “consensus” than The Guardian‘s have become.
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6:14 am Feb 10
Hubei Province reported 2,618 new cases of novel coronavirus pneumonia on Feb 9, with 91 new deaths and 356 recovered. Total infection number in the province increased to 29,631, with 871 dead and 1,795 recovered.
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Fatalities drop below 3% at epicentre…so western msm ramps up hyperbole :-
‘UK declares ‘serious and imminent threat’ to public health ‘
The pathetic Groans current headline on it’s pathetic Politics Live page.
Tencent briefly lists 154,023 infections and 24,589 deaths from Wuhan coronavirus
True, false, …..???
Wishful thinking?
Kit Knightly keeps referring to Jon Rappoport. Isn’t that guy highly suspicious?
https://americanloons.blogspot.com/2014/05/1050-jon-rappoport.html
(Not to say I disagree with everything Kit Knightly is saying, but Rappoport doesn’t seem to be a good reference to make your point.)
They love their “recognised” hoaxes within the hoax (https://didyouknowfacts.com/true-story-behind-911-tourist-hoax/)
Woman frustrated as coronavirus hoax forces plane to turn around
https://www.bradfordtoday.ca/local-news/woman-frustrated-as-coronavirus-hoax-forces-plane-to-turn-around-2069067
Do you believe that a plane was turned around because a passenger claimed to have the coronavirus? Did he have a medical certificate saying so – presumably not as it was determined to be hoax? Did he describe or show the symptoms unique to the virus (whatever they may be)? They don’t tell us. The flight had already been going for 2 hours and flight time from Toronto to Montego Bay is 4 hours so why would they turn the plane around at that point – why not just continue to the destination?
Checked Flightaware records and flights arrived on time.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/WJA2702/history/20200203/1425Z/CYYZ/CYYZ
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/WJA2660/history/20200203/1910Z/CYYZ/MKJS
Oops! I see Flight 2702 actually returned (I saw On Time and didn’t notice the destinate was actually Toronto) – of course, this doesn’t necessarily mean that it still wasn’t staged.
Does anyone with intelligence actually visit your site?
No-one here has the faculty of critical analysis.
Little hope for the world.
One fool just posts silly moving pictures.
Another just vacuous nonsense.
You just dragged the intelligence contents here down a few pegs with your patronizing holier-than-thou comment!
A picture is worth a thousand words.
An animated gif is worth many more.
Your critical analysis of the situation would be most welcome and would get a reply from me if you so desire one.
Regards,
Tony
Cognitive infiltrating shills are enemies of the people. See Lance dehaven-smith comments here..
https://sites.google.com/site/vasaireclassic/maygodsavethepeople
Do you think cognitive infiltrating shills are enemies of the people? (Irrespective of their critical analytical skills).
Just because the MSM have a biased political agenda does not mean that everything in the MSM is biased or fake. This is probably true for every media including this one here. One has to judge for oneself and also compare the different versions and look at events in historical content. To deny that the novel corona virus is a real threat and can become a serious pandemic is to hide one’s head in the sand. That is OK but then you must also reject quite a lot of the science and the medicine that have improved life expectancy and that saves ill people. In other words you must not try to have your cake and eat it too.
@ Orage – How do you know when something is a false flag?
When EVERY news outlet runs the same pictures and the same script
24/7. Just to make sure that not one pleb is missing it.
Then interview people wearing masks, especially those holding babies who it appears don’t need a mask!!!
Fact: This virus has been around since the 60’s, it is no more virulent than the flu which has at times taken the lives of the weak and vulnerable.
This is an exercise to see how quickly they can create worldwide panic and get people off the streets and doing as they are told. Pretty much like Novichuckle.
Asians have always worn masks because they are fastidious about catching or passing germs around, and their air quality at times is appalling, so the masks are NO indication of anything more sinister…
I don’t think anyone here is rejecting science or medicine that saves people’s lives at all, I think that statement is an obfuscation and distracting..
Absolute nonsense. There are many different coronaviruses, they have been around for centuries and even millenia. Most of them are indeed fairly harmless (common cold), some of them have been deadly.
This present novel coronavirus is “new” inasmuch as it is the first time it has mutated and jumped across the animal/human barrier.
Your bringing in Novichock is disingenuous, at best.
I get the impression that you are in fact trying very hard to convince yourself in order to allay your own fears.
Eschew obfuscation, espouse elucidation!
That’ll look good on a placard!
Vierotchka, I agree that there are harmless viruses that have been isolated and their genomes and proteins have been determined and biologically characterized. However, I do not know of any specific pathogenic coronaviruses or indeed, of any harmless whole complete coronaviruses (genomes intact) that have ever been physically isolated, photographed, purified, with their proteins characterized etc. to date.
All the scientific papers that I have read are full of baloney they do not specify all the stepwise scientific details required and also the necessary controls. Nor do they include any convincing electron micrographs that show particles of the same size which tends to imply there are impurities present and the virus has not been effectively purified free from contaminants. There are other problems too that I have covered on another thread.
If you come across a paper claiming coronavirus isolation I’d be more than pleased to read it, but none claiming ‘isolation’ by using RT-PCR where a model of an imaginary coronavirus genome is conjured up and then patched together out of segments of gene substance like a mosaic and claimed to be the actual genome of a real isolated coronavirus.
The whole ‘coronavirus’ story is fake as hell.
My comment refers to Wuhan province. Pictures of the city were shown on BBC and ITV. The air was quite obviously thick with smog, and yet none of the reporters bothered to mention this. Even small amounts of SO2 in the air will cause illness.
The people there have been protesting about this, for a while now, and little is done to improve things. The ‘coronavirus’ is a hoax to cover for the government’s lack of environmental action that has resulted in a serious health issue for their people.
MSM report here on the Chinese people’s protests:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/10/asia/china-wuhan-pollution-problems-intl-hnk/index.html
that was getting their government worried.
As I explained earlier, people can get killed by SO2 inhalation, and the symptoms look like flu.
The real problem is the old problem: poor air quality from the smogs enveloping the city etc. Recall the infamous London ‘Pea-Soupers’ that were a direct result of the SO2 pollution from Battersea power station. People were being found dead in shop doorways from the sulphuric acid, produced from the SO2 they had breathed in, that had destroyed their lungs from the insides. Their symptoms could be easily interpreted as ‘flu: coughing, hard to breathe, chest pains.
From wikipedia (not trusted on contentious issues, of course): “The worst recorded instance was the Great Smog of 1952, when 4,000 deaths were reported in the city over a couple of days, and a subsequent 8,000 related deaths, leading to the passage of the Clean Air Act 1956, which banned the use of coal for domestic fires in some urban areas.”
And, we’ve (GB) been where the Chinese people are today:
“The initial plans to build Battersea Power Station in 1927 were met with angry protests, people were concerned the pollution would be harmful to the buildings and parks in the surrounding areas. In the end, however, permission was granted for a large power station to be built in Battersea.”
https://www.timeout.com/london/blog/ten-things-you-didnt-know-about-battersea-power-station-042816
“The reduction of sulphur emissions was an important factor from when the station was in the design stages, as it was one of the main concerns of the protesters”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battersea_Power_Station#Operations
The situation is as bad today in China, with refuse being burned in incinerators and no attempt to clean the effluent emanating from them is made. The same for coal burning power stations, right there. On top of this the Wuhan province is a major industrial zone, making many billions in money every year for their economy. It is not something the government want closed down. The problem is environmental, but their government has turned it into a medical issue for political reasons.
A qualified viewpoint can be found here:
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com
And this is before I looked at the BBC and ITV farce with the so-called ‘infected British citizens’ from China. The bus driver, calmly driving along with passengers carrying a ‘deadly virus’, and not even a mask on his face, breathing their air! Like I said, the evidence is mounting.
All done on behalf of big pharma and the security apparatus. Look back a decade, where some said the H1N1 Pandemic was “Fake”:
Reported by Forbes, February 10, 2010:
The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE), a human rights watchdog, is publicly investigating the WHO’s motives in declaring a pandemic. Indeed, the chairman of its influential health committee, epidemiologist Wolfgang Wodarg, has declared that the “false pandemic” is “one of the greatest medicine scandals of the century.”
Yes, it is a conspiracy theory, but the evidence will mount to make it an undeniable conspiracy fact.
You too are fake as hell.
If that is you in the picture…
You clearly have no critical faculties.
Just keep falling back on your ad hominems, and good luck with that worldview.
It is you, not me, in that picture.
I’m surprised you didn’t understand that.
It (the so-called ‘virus’) got called ‘corona’, meaning ‘crown’, because the Chinese government have right ‘Royally’ screwed up, and are frightened of losing face in the eyes of the world if they admit it.
Some commenter on here has got quite rattled.
Coronaviruses are numerous and have been around for some time
Indeed, many are pretty harmless, some are severe, and a few are pretty deadly.
The USA, ie the Pentagon and ‘contractors’, have been collecting bat coronaviruses in South East Asia, southern China and places like Kazakhstan, for some years, and experimenting on them-purely for ‘defensive’ purposes, of course.
TRUE Admin, been around since 1960.
They were identified as human pathogens in the sixties, but have existed for hundreds of thousands of years, probably even much longer than that.
The gruesome reality of chemical experiments carried out by the Ministry of Defence at a controversial ‘military science park’ over the course of 50 years has been revealed.
Scientists at Porton Down assured their thousands of military volunteers that they were ‘totally safe’ before exposing them to a series of dangerous experiments.
Despite being turned into ‘guinea pigs’ by their own government, 21,000 servicemen between 1939 and 1989 were only offered token payments, a day off, or even just a free bus pass.
Teenager soldiers and servicemen unwittingly volunteered to be human ‘guinea pigs’ for a series of experiments at Porton Down, in Wiltshire, in the hope of a bit of extra cash.
But the unsuspecting volunteers were exposed to Sarin gas, anthrax and even the Black Death.
(…)
Incredibly, thousands of members of the British public were also unknowingly exposed by government scientists who released spores of a ‘plague-like’ bacteria on the London Underground in 1963.
Although considered harmless at the time Bacillus globigii – or BG to use its military moniker – can in fact cause food poisoning, eye infections, and even potentially deadly septicaemia.
But none of the London commuters were ever told of the experiment. And Government officials decided that in order to maintain national security, the trial should be kept under wraps…
(…)
Airman Richard Skinner, a 19-year-old from Aberdeenshire, arrived at Porton in mid-1972 in the hope of earning some extra cash.
He volunteered himself for what was then described as a ‘mild dose of anaesthetic’.
He was actually injected with the new drug T3436, which had been designed as a means to incapacitate the human brain.
(Ahh this is what the ‘sheep’ have been given?)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3190243/WMD-Britain-MoD-scientists-tested-chemical-weapons-including-anthrax-PLAGUE-soldiers-members-public-released-dangerous-bacteria-Tube.html
Porton Down is just one of the PENTAGON – FUNDED military laboratories in 25 countries across the world, where the US Army produces and tests man-made viruses, bacteria and toxins in direct violation of the UN convention. These US bio-laboratories are funded by the Defence Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) under a $ 2.1 billion military program– Cooperative Biological Engagement Program (CBEP), and are located in former Soviet Union countries such as GEORGIA and UKRAINE, the MIDDLE EAST, SOUTH EAST ASIA and AFRICA.
The Pentagon-funded military facilities are NOT under the direct control of the HOST STATE as the US military and civilian personnel is working under diplomatic cover.
As the local governments and communities are prohibited from public disclosure of sensitive information about the foreign military program running on their own territory – the full extent of the public risk will always remain unknown. Consequently, without being under the direct control of the host state, these Pentagon bio-laboratories put the health of the local population at risk and must be closed.
https://21stcenturywire.com/2018/03/28/revealed-pentagons-70-million-chemical-biological-program-at-porton-down-in-uk/
Information obtained from the US federal contracts registry reveals that the Pentagon’s Defence Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) has funded a number of military projects performed at the UK Defence Science and Technology Laboratory (DSTL), or Porton Down, over the last decade.
Anthrax, Ebola virus, Marburg virus, Venezuelan equine encephalitis virus, Western equine encephalitis virus, and Eastern equine encephalitis virus. The US Defence Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) has also funded experiments on animals which were exposed to chemical agents such as Sulphur Mustard and Phosgene gas.
(…)
The last use of Sulphur mustard in battle was confirmed in Syria in 2016. According to the BBC, Islamic State (ISIS) jihadists used mustard gas against government forces in Deir-ez-Zor. The same chemical gas was confirmed to have been used by ISIS against Kurds in Northern Iraq. According to The Independent, the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) confirmed that laboratory tests had come back positive for sulphur mustard, after around 35 Kurdish troops fell sick on the battlefield in August 2015.
https://southfront.org/salisbury-nerve-agent-attack-reveals-70-million-pentagon-program-porton/
The Pentagon has been collecting zoonoses from ‘hot zones’ principally in the tropics, for decades. With recombination technologies, and with CRISPR, the era of ethnically specific bio-weapons is upon us. And there is no power, no force for Evil, more likely to use them than the USA. Or Israel, come to think of it. They researched such weapons for years with their dear friends in apartheid South Africa.
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They’ve turned over the rocks at Sinophobe Central, and out they scuttle.
A whole bunch of articles re China and the coronavirus:
https://graphics.reuters.com/CHINA-HEALTH/0100B59Y39P/index.html
So what is your point?
Take your own advice. How can there be anything more unfocused than a “whole bunch of articles”?
The articles in that bunch are focused on China and the novel coronavirus, cupcake.
Here is something to help you do so:
“How can there be anything more unfocused than a “whole bunch of articles”?”
Scroll down a bit. You will see they are (gasp!) catergorized: general, video, human interest, business (Carlsberg sales hit by shuttered karaoke bars), genetics and basic epidemiology, …
This is what you see when you click on the Reuters link I provided, i.e. https://graphics.reuters.com/CHINA-HEALTH/0100B59Y39P/index.html
Then, when you spool down, you will find some 17 illustrated links, all related to the novel coronavirus in China.
Why such bad faith on your part?
https://graphics.reuters.com/CHINA-HEALTH/0100B59Y39P/index.html
So much bad faith from you guys…
Remember,
This is what you see when you click on the Reuters link I provided, i.e. https://graphics.reuters.com/CHINA-HEALTH/0100B59Y39P/index.html
Then, when you spool down, you will find some 17 illustrated links, all related to the novel coronavirus in China.
Why such bad faith on your part?
From The New York Times:
Wuhan Coronavirus Looks Increasingly Like a Pandemic, Experts Say
Rapidly rising caseloads alarm researchers, who fear the virus may make its way across the globe. But scientists cannot yet predict how many deaths may result.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/02/health/coronavirus-pandemic-china.html
Readers please take note. And while you are at it, also inhale the few hours after being challenged, that it took for Knightly to erroneously claim he told us so. In contrast, the several days that have elapsed since he has had time to publicly reconsider his foolish commentary has not provided him time to mea culpa. And as for the pandemonium of downvotes for simply pointing out the facts as they were known, it is not a problem, for me.
As for Catte Black who for some bizarre reason keeps insisting the mortality rate for the flu pandemic was 15-20% quoting “Buzzfeed” if not The National Enquirer, [Editor: this is so deceptive it’s bordering insanity; the mortality rate of 10-20% is widely accepted and this commenter has previously been provided with several sources for the figure, which he ignores; these sources included the CDC, but DID NOT include Buzzfeed or indeed the Nat Inquirer (see below for more & sources)- ed], this might be a good time for her to make clear she now realizes that the mortality rate of 1918 flu was probably very similar to what is being much more accurately reported for coronavirus in China. The Lancet , a medical journal and even the NYT now quote very similar figures. Instead of erroneously claiming they were right, now is the time to be gracious about it? That’s what reasonable people do when they’ve been dangerously irresponsible. The flu pandemic took as many as 50 million lives but somehow idiot savants in many sites took hold of the ”low” mortality rate for coronavirus, took reassurance from it, and dumped all over the critical early day responses by the Chinese and MSM, as they ”followed the money”.
Is this more I told you so? Yes. Am I being a bit harsh. Yes. But what are you going to get when your sample is enriched for people banned from the Fraudian?
ADMIN EDIT – In response to repeated misrepresentation of the facts
The mortality rate for the 1918 flu was between 10-20%, all the sources we have ever found say so. They have been repeatedly linked to. In the interest of fore-stalling anyone asking for the links again:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
http://www.influenzavirusnet.com/1918-flu-pandemic/mortality.html
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ten-myths-about-1918-flu-pandemic-180967810/
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/12/1/05-0979_article
This commenter requested the links. They were provided. He then ignored them, and has now lied about them.
We have let this comment stand in its entirety in the interests of free discussion. However, if he continues to deliberately misrepresent the data provided to him, whilst ignoring civil responses to both his accusations and questions, any further comments of his will be treated as trolling.
We have a hugely tolerant comment policy (see here), but even we can get pushed too far.
– OffG Admin
Down votes=badge of honour on this.
Thanks. The irony of people who would not be alive today, were it not for vaccination and public health measures, now railing about using tried and true measures to prudently hedge bets surely can’t be lost on anyone.
The political media hysteria around the corona virus certainly has nothing to do with the level of the threat. Compare influenza, which kills far more people every year. In the US alone influenza killed more than sixty thousand people last winter; the previous winter was even worse with a death toll of eighty thousand. Yet the corporate media, not only never get hysterical about influenza, they mostly ignore it; and health professionals simply advise people to take the vaccine.
Does anyone believe that the person who falls on their face and and the person laid out in hospital are sufferers of the coronavirus? Isn’t it awfully coincidental that someone had their phone camera trained on this guy just before he fell?
As fake as Woolwich.
Check out the video in my link below Petra.
… and about a thousand other events.
LOL. Love the music! And yes, they do assume we’re all morons … but there is a reason for that. I don’t blame anyone for swallowing all this stuff when staged events are outside your paradigm (I was a clueless as the next person before it was explained to me) but when you explain to people the phenomenon and explain that they give us all the clues and push the truth of them in our faces with over-the-top ridiculousness and all the rest of it and they still refuse to believe then …
Listen to that music Marge, he’s evil!:
The Simpsons has an uncanny way of predicting future events, including 9/11, the Ebola Virus and the coronavirus with the “Osaka” virus. See how they prime us?
9/11 (1997)
http://thecoincidencetheorist.com/911/911-predicted-in-the-simpsons/
Ebola virus (1997)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2786966/How-The-Simpsons-predicted-US-Ebola-outbreak-1997-Episode-shows-Marge-offering-sick-Bart-children-s-book-Curious-George-Ebola-Virus.html
“Osaka” virus (1993)
Apologies the first YouTube link shouldn’t be there. I think it’s a doctored video.
Look at this nonsense from the Independent.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coronavirus-latest-china-wuhan-picture-man-outbreak-a9310846.html
Do they assume we are all morons?
It’s got sad music though; it must be true.
Seriously though, that stuff is so transparent it made me lol.
But I guess the sheeple are terrified, I feel sad for the saps.
Only their readers.
6:20 am Jan 31
Hubei Province reported 1,220 new cases, 42 deaths and 26 recovered cases of novel coronavirus on Jan 30; total infection number in the province increased to 5,806, with 116 recovered and 204 deaths.
That seems to imply the 3.5% plus mortality is sticking. At least until daily recoveries exceeds daily deaths.
Has everyone gone mad? This is a flu virus, nothing more….Been around since the 1960s?? Only being
used now to put the fear of God into everyone and to damage China’s reputation. What a coincidence that when the new TOP SECURITY Wuhan Lab was opened in 2017 the US ”Warned” them that the con-o-virus ‘could’ escape… Guess what it did, but it definitely had assistance….IMO
Absolutely no connection with China agreeing to rebuild Iraq in return for some oil?
*** The Iraqi prime minister, Adil Abdul-Mahdi, has revealed details of his interactions with Trump in the weeks leading up to Soleimani’s assassination in a speech to the Iraqi parliament – wrote Federico Pieraccini first on Strategic Culture – He tried to explain several times on live television how Washington had been browbeating him and other Iraqi members of parliament to toe the American line, even threatening to engage in false-flag sniper shootings of both protesters and security personnel in order to inflame the situation, recalling similar MO seen in Cairo in 2009, Libya in 2011, and Maidan in 2014.
Abdul-Mehdi spoke angrily about how the Americans had ruined the country and now refused to complete infrastructure and electricity grid projects unless they were promised 50% of oil revenues, which Abdul-Mehdi refused – read further – The complete (translated) words of Abdul-Mahdi’s speech to parliament:
“This is why I visited China and signed an important agreement with them to undertake the construction instead.
Upon my return, Trump called me to ask me to reject this agreement. When I refused, he threatened to unleash huge demonstrations against me that would end my premiership.
Huge demonstrations against me duly materialized and Trump called again to threaten that if I did not comply with his demands, then he would have Marine snipers on tall buildings target protesters and security personnel alike in order to pressure me. I refused again and handed in my resignation. To this day the Americans insist on us rescinding our deal with the Chinese.”
(additional Information)
Until Ramadan in 2019, Iraq had become an relatively peaceful nation, projected towards a future of rebirth through the precarious balance between the various components that controlled the country: the Politicians expressed by the Shiite religious majority in a sober theocratic modulation, the Paramilitary Armies that defeated ISIS, composed of the Quds Forces of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, the Iraqi Hashids in which Shiite, Christian, and Sunni militants fight, the Lebanese-born Ketai Hezbollah, and finally the Army of Iraq, trained by the contingents NATO and therefore a faithful ally of the Atlantic Pact.
But in May 2019 there was a special announcement: An agreement between Baghdad and Tehran to dredge the Shatt al-Arab river – a waterway where Tigris and the Euphrates meet to flow into the Persian Gul – to clean the river bed from alluvial debris and the carcasses of sunken ships, which blocked the sea outlet. A symbolic operation of the new alliance determination to open the new route for oil tankers towards the refineries, within the two nations.
The transit of which had been interrupted in the mid-eighties because of the war between the two countries.
The construction of marine oil platforms began at the mouth of the Arvand in the synergy between a Russian company and an Iranian company controlled by the government. And from there many very important black gold projects should have been developed.
Since then nothing is known about the Arvand Project because, among sanctions, military manoeuvres of aircraft carriers and cruisers, mysterious sabotage, threats and finally criminal intelligence operations, US President Donald Trump unleashed hell culminating in the assassination, through missiles launched by US Air Force drones, of the commander of the Iranian Quds Forces Qasem Soleimani together with the deputy commander of the Iraqi Hashid, Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis.
A senior commander of Hashd al-Shaabi (Iraqi popular forces) warned on Wednesday that the US forces are transferring the ISIL terrorists from Syria to safe areas in Iraq as part of a seemingly major plan to trigger security problems for the Arab nation again.. reports FarsNews.
“The security forces are stationed and guarding the Iraqi-Syrian borders, but the airspace of these regions are fully open to the US planes and helicopters, including Chinook cargo helicopters.” Kazzem al-Fartousi, a commander of Kata’eb Seyed al-Shohada warned that the US planes and helicopters are never checked by the Iraqi authorities and they easily transfer the terrorists from Syria to a safe zone in Iraq in heliborne operations. Al-Fartousi joined many other senior military commanders and officials who are deeply wary of what seems to be a scheme by the US to escalate tensions through a revival of terrorist operations by the remnants of ISIL militants to undermine the central government in Baghdad and justify the US buildup in Iraq – In relevant remarks on Sunday, an official revealed that the US forces in Western Iraq are relocating ISIL ringleaders from Syria to Wadi Houran region in Western al-Anbar province after the area was cleansed by Hashd al-Shaabi.
But you won’t be seeing this on the British Brainwashing Corporation.
If you don’t believe me, DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH. Or just sit back and continue to accept the brainwashing from the MSM presstitutes.
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/01/24/trumps-hell-in-iraq-mercenaries-killed-rioters-isis-fighters-deployed-great-shias-rally-against-us/
Influenza (flu) viruses are not coronaviruses.
As for the rest of your rant, it doesn’t belong here at all.
I’m with you Maggie (mostly): regardless of whether the coronavirus is or is not a flu virus is not particularly relevant if there is no pandemic (or even anything approaching pandemic) of whatever type of virus and why should we believe that a virus has been released deliberately or transmitted zoonotically (animals to humans) or whatever.
I keep saying over and over again:
When parts of the story are demonstrably false – especially when the falsity is obviously deliberately indicated – why would you believe any part of the story without clear evidence?
The power elite love to have us arguing over this that and the other and they constantly feed us stuff to do so. So very much distraction propaganda. 9/11 is really a quite straightforward event on an historical continuum of similar events (though generally much bigger in scale compared to most of them) – it was a Trauma-based Mind Control Psychological Operation (psyop) in the form of a massive Full-Scale Anti-Terrorist Exercise pushed out as real comprising loads of smaller exercises and drills, controlled demolition, fake plane crashes and staged death and injury but how very much material do they stuff down our throats to distract us. How much nonsense in the media, for example, over the “declassified 28 pages”. LOL.
If people have died how do we know how they died? Why should we believe that they’ve died according to what they tell us? Why? When they tell us absolutely ridiculous nonsense about Chinese cobras, many-banded kraits, critically-endangered pangolins and hedgehogs carrying this virus … plus nonsense about hospitals going up in 4 days with images of diggers spinning round … plus completely implausible denigrative words from a biosecurity scientist, why should we believe any part of the story and why should we concern ourselves with percentages of alleged deaths and all the rest of it?
Why? Please tell me why.
Chris Martenson from Peak Prosperity has covered this in some detail including why it is effecting men far more than women. Chris has a PhD in Pathology so he has reasonable background on these kind of issues. China has always been something of a black box when it comes to information whether that pertain to economics or health issues and we really can’t trust the data being put out.
Watch his latest two videos and decide for yourself.
Even if one does not agree with everything, this is very informative and certainly scientific . It exposes both the media ignorance and the political coverups. But the message is clear, this is certainly a worrisome virus that should be taken seriously. Thanks for posting.
Christopher Martenson is an economic researcher, therefore he is not really qualified at all with regard to viruses.
He has a PhD in Pathology. But nice of you to chime in.
Has he examined tissue sections for evidence of coronaviruses? I don’t think so. He is simply speculating.
By that logic everyone in the whole world who has not examined tissue sections for evidence of coronaviruses is speculating. His speculation is based upon PhD based medical training in pathology.
Interesting that some require a higher standard from others than they apply for their argument
Nicely put.
As far as I have been able to ascertain, as a pathologist he has not studied nor trained to be a virologist.
https://www.rcpath.org/discover-pathology/careers-in-pathology/careers-in-medicine/become-a-virologist.html
But he is still by orders of magnitude better worth listening to you. Especially when no-one even knows what your agenda actually is.
My only agenda at this moment is facts, not speculations like Christopher Martenson is pushing.
Everyone is speculating you moron. Even your favoured pathologists with blood samples.
I don’t have any “favoured pathologists”, you anencephalic!
Someone trained as a pathologist will have training in scientific methodology and know how to interpret data. Reporters and bloggers only speculate by picking and choosing from predetermined agendas and often without the background scientific training.
Note that I have only posted the official numbers as they came in; no speculation and no interpretation.
I also pointed out that the flu viruses are not coronaviruses, therefore this new coronavirus is not flu.
It all depends on which particular branch of pathology an individual has trained in, don’t you think?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathology#General_medical_pathology
I like Martenson’s programs and what I can judge of his ideology from them, but I believe that in this case his is erring on the side of unhelpful speculation. He may be correct, or very nearly so, but so far it’ s just a guess or two on his part.
Have you an agender, Vierotchka? Very androgynous, I must say.
That bad? Ouch!
He is speculating, perhaps with more general scientific knowledge than almost all others, but still it is just speculation. Even those with first-hand knowledge of the virus and the outbreak are speculating, although with much more information.
His latest 17 videos (and counting) are all about the coronavirus. Seems like your usual doomsayer to me. Such stuff always gets the clicks.
Ignorance is bliss. A virus transmitted from another species which is very contagious and can cause severe illness and death with no known treatment and no human immunity to the virus is spreading in one of the most densely populated country in the world. We cannot afford to be complacent. Irrespective of what the mortality turns out to be there will be serious consequences. There is also serious concern about mutation because an animal virus affecting humans implies that some sort of adaptive mutation to do so already.
Reads like a press release from Fort Detrick.
You obviously don’t know much about science or medicine. I may be wrong of course.
I agree completely with your statement, save for the last sentence, which is where I found the excuse for my wild speculation.
It’s official: it is men flu
Especially men in their 40s are diagnosed with coronavirus, according to the Lancet (that never lies)
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext?fbclid=IwAR3gFELQNjATnFp3NhwVkzFS6hYSr9Jp8gZVtUGNqs4Yjs7XPb3xjvfNwhQ
But before freaking out, be a skeptic
Look around: which people with flu like symptoms are most likely to visit the doctor?
– men in their 40s!
That is the basic finding
Also note that the sample is small (41 cases) and that no mention (in the abstract) is made which patients died.
Speaking about lies, damned lies and statistics..
Lots of repeated claims, or predictions, that the virus will ‘mutate’, to become more lethal. Odd sort of atmosphere of certainty about these observations.
And now, contrary to WHO recommendations, the Western powers are isolating China, and enforcing a cordon sanitaire around the country. So, now, the virus can ‘mutate’ to a more deadly form.
There is a man in my workplace who has started to sneeze. I must get on to the authorities and suggest that the internet be closed down, all borders closed and we arrest any people with left leaning tendencies.
Have you thought about quitting your job George? Or going on a holiday to the Faroe Islands?
Am retired Gezzah but I’m not sure I get your point.
I presumed he was talking to me. But what the hell.
I guess he was. Sorry for the intrusion. And George had gotten so unpopular as a name.
Yeah tell me about it!
Hi George, no, not you, I was commenting to George Mc.
Pity, I was checking flight times to the Faeroes.
All the time.
That makes no sense in Off-G’s indentation sequence but “All the time” referred to Gezzah Potts’s
George – it was meant as a light hearted…. flee your job! flee the country! It wasn’t meant to be taken seriously.
Gezzah – about “The Family of Man” mentioned in another Coronavirus thread that I can’t now (easily) get back to: it was a 1955 Museum of Modern Art photo exhibition curated by Edward Steichen that was turned into a photobook with a Prologue by Carl Sandburg. Millions saw the exhibition when it went on tour around the world and millions of copies of the book, which has been in print since 1955, have been sold world wide. It is unlikely that Melbourne public libraries do not have at least one copy between them or cannot access it through an interlibrary system. The paperback version is available for US $15 from amazon.com but currently ships with huge COVID-19 freight cost inflation. I checked amazon.com.au but it has no listing for it at all. Ordinary people tend to love it but some public attitudenizers see it as manipulative Yankee hokum wallowing in a sea of schmaltz. But then, St Paul’s attempts at a Christian inclusion of all men get a frown out of Nietzsche and a right kick up the butt from Ayn Rand. Brotherly love and uncomplicated portraits of the joys, sadnesses, hates, horrors and loves of simple people and shared humanity seldom get an easy ride. William Saroyan, Arnold Wesker, Hanif Kureishi, Ray Lawler, Vikas Swarup, Tenessee Williams, Frank Capa and thousands of others have all lifted people for a time only to get it in the critical neck for their efforts, often less than a lifetime later.
Rob… I really appreciated those links, and to keep it simple, Sandburg’s poetry was really lovely and evocative. When I checked out those names, had a big smile on my face. I saw no schmaltz at all! I checked out The Family Of Man also, and perhaps if I get back to selling the mag, and get some money in the bank, will buy the book.
Interestingly, a while back, greatly enjoyed the music of a band called Family Of Man (assume now they were named after the exhibition).
Normal, ordinary people with the whole gamut of feelings and emotions. Being human beings.
Hanif Kureishi! To my shame, I’ve never read any of his books, but loved Buddha Of Suburbia and My Beautiful Laundrette in their screen forms. When I was much younger, I was a quite prolific reader, but as I’ve gotten older, it’s much more visual than holding an actual book in my hands…
What happens, happens, or as Buddha says, what is, is. I’m just handing things over to the Universe. You can’t force people to wake up if they don’t want too.
Nice connecting again Rob.
Take care, and enjoy the clouds above your head🙏
Seeing as flu viruses are not coronaviruses and unrelated to coronaviruses, it is not a flu.
The latest number of significance is
6:20 am Jan 31
Hubei Province reported 1,220 new cases, 42 deaths and 26 recovered cases of novel coronavirus on Jan 30; total infection number in the province increased to 5,806, with 116 recovered and 204 deaths.
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I.e just over 3.5% mortality currently. ( it can only get bigger not smaller).
Sleep tight all, don’t let the bug bite!
Why can’t the mortality rate get smaller? More reported cases and fewer deaths will lower it. Compare last year’s US flu season (av): 18,000,000 cases, 14,000 deaths, a “good” year. During the 2017-18 flu season mortality rate was >10%, from flu & pneumonia. Death toll, 80,000. Yet no global health warning was issued and the MSM were not hysterical about it.
Further to the Chinese epidemic, almost certainly many cases are not reported, victims staying home, though of course deaths are- they can’t be hidden.
The Coronavirus is not new, simply a variant flu strain well-known. Vaccines are already being created or modified to fight it.
ref: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season-2017-2018.htm
https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/
The common cold is caused by either the rhinovirus or a coronavirus.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/coronavirus#1
There are about 200 different viruses which can cause the common cold.
Yes, and they are more or less equally distributed among coronaviruses and rhinoviruses.
Did you have a point?
Yes there are plenty which are neither, and in both, the many individual subtypes can differ in most ways including host susceptibility, and organ specificity, so it is incorrect to think of coronavirus as a distinct entity with stereotyped characteristics.They can be as different as you and me.
Which was my initial point.
See my answer below to vierotchka
Link please.
The latest numbers actually are 8,236 confirmed cases world-wide with a total of 171 deaths (all in China) and a total of 143 recovered.
The mortality rate thus is 2.076% and not 3.5%.
‘Real-time update on coronavirus outbreak’
https://www.globaltimes.cn//content/1177737.shtml
Thought I had cited it before.
This is the only accurate real-time pudate on the coronavirus – refresh twice or three times a day:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Ooops – update, not pudate, of course!
And where do you think THEY are getting their data from???
The total world infections numbers are also on the same site.
The WHO meeting yesterday confirmed that the Chinese authorities are being transparent and timely – including getting the genetics out for world experts.
Throwing shade upon Chinese reporting is pointless.
My worry is that at the primary infection area the number of fatalities is higher.
The total number of infections being reported now compared to total fatalities mainly centered on that city gives a lower number than just looking at the city itself.
Don’t forget most of the total reported cases are from there, as are most of the deaths, and there are plenty in intensive care – it would be a miracle if ALL these survived. Also just look at how many are being discharged as ‘cured’ – a very tiny number so far.
With regard to my link, they are getting their data from WHO, CDC, ECDC, NHC and DXY, and not from Global Times.
Now the number of confirmed cases globally is 9,776 with 213 deaths (all of them in China), which means that the percentage of deaths is 2.178%.
Are you ignoring the actual stats from Hubei Province, particularly those from Wuhan?
Are you denying they indicate 3.5%?
Are you saying my point is incorrect?
What exactly is your objection ?
I am denying nothing, I simply posted the global figure and percentage.
In Hubei province, the percentage is 3.51%, and in Hubei province the figure of recovered patients is 116 out of a global total of 187. So, the recovery percentage there is 1.99793317%, just under 2%.
Is splitting hairs your passion and hobby?
Who is splitting hairs????
I reported global and Hubei figures earlier, here
https://off-guardian.org/2020/01/29/coronavirus-media-reveals-a-very-familiar-agenda/#comment-115161
I’ll ask again do you think the 3.5% mortality will improve?
How?
Don’t you think it is more statistically significant?
I’m only trying to ascertain the fact.
I don’t believe this. How can you have such a discussion about accurate figure when the situation is constantly changing? What purpose did the above exchange serve?
The purpose of Vierotchka is to get everyone talking about something that has absolutely nothing at all to do with what is actually happening in Wuhan, thereby derailing the conversation.
It (the so-called ‘virus’) got called ‘corona’, meaning ‘crown’, because the Chinese government have right ‘Royally’ screwed up, and are frightened of losing face in the eyes of the world if they admit it.
“‘messed up Royally’:
To screw up really badly. As in a way that makes regular mess-up’s look like peasants in comparison to the royal proportions of this particular mess-up.”
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=messed%20up%20royally
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28 days later street scenes in sino
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foxxcon cctv cities
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Well, it is a corona (Crown) virus. Didn’t the Duke of Edinburgh say that he wanted to be reincarnated as a deadly virus because there’s too many of us? I very much doubt he was joking, more like hiding an intent in plain sight.
as an old fabien society queer and a chatham houser a member of the athienham club and fund raiser for the chabad synagogue in peril fund.
i think this china idea is super
i mean this is terrific a revolutionary concept.
goyim be quiet
go home and be quiet
shuffle about a bit wait for the gates vaccine treble shot
then as quiet as you can in the safety of your apartment collectivisation box home emclosure
die
already
so nice to know russia and china are finally working with us on this….
Canceling the election would be a way to prevent Sanders becoming President.
Let’s face it, bribing Sanders with more beachfront property would also be a way to prevent Sanders becoming President.
The belief that the USA is a ‘democracy’ is a sign of not paying attention.
So the Coronavirus is mutating again (into one word). At the Graun the development of Sino-phlegm has emerged as a complication of Honkers-Riotus.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/30/disabled-teenager-in-china-dies-at-home-alone-after-relatives-quarantined
It also is thought that this will develop into a further bout of Russo-phobic phlegm which has infected the organs of the MSM since the Ukrainian Pustule out break caused by many infected cases of Chicken Kiev with Banderus Botulism.
It is realised that the highly active strain of Franco-Riotus (Yellow Vest Fever) is not worth reporting on as it poses a serious risk to the Oligarchic-parasitic class of diseases after they gathered for their annual Davros Sanitoria detox. A pandemic which has inflicted the globe since the outbreak of Globalization Hureticus in the late 1970’s.
Bravo. Top performance hand yourself a novichok smeared White Helmet Oscar. Can’t wait for the encore. Swoon!!
Brilliant Tutti…
I know this is slightly off topic but Bill Gate’s name has been mentioned in the posts of the previous articles on this subject, so Ed might allow me to shoe-horn it in.
Since Windows 7 stopped being supported earlier this month I have installed the Linux Mint operating system (rather Windows 10 which I have heard more than one expert describe as spyware in all but name). I am no computer expert. This new OS is absolutely great, easy to install and use etc. (and free to download or cheap to buy on a USB stick).
It makes me realise how thoroughly the world has been conned by Microsoft and those with an interest in seeing that corporation’s coffers swell. Maybe Gates has just been the front man for a vast con job which entailed giving Microsoft a virtual monopoly by persuading people that there wasn’t a viable alternative to Windows for the ‘ordinary’ PC user.
And all the money that came his/their way is being used for some very nefarious purposes (maybe that was part of the arrangement all along) connected to the vaccine agenda, eugenics, etc. and possibly this current ‘crisis’ as others have suggested.
Maybe this is known to others and I’m just waking up to the fact…
a vast con job
— congratulations on waking up to this reality.
https://linuxmint.com/
Indeed. The quality of the (free) alternative (and there are more than one) drove the point home…
Mint for safety, Kubuntu for exciting opportunities.
Download: https://kubuntu.org
Review: https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/kubuntu-ermine.html
The only original thing Microsoft ever produced was Excel. They’ve ended up with a shitty OS, not very good, for the price, Office suite, not ideal keyboard layout and near complete grip on the market.
I loved Word 2, on was it 6.1 dos?
It got ugly until 97 pro and 2000 pro.
Shit since. Given it up except for some old excel.
What a tax dodging ‘charitable’ bs foundation it has turned into.
“the world has been conned by Microsoft”
With unhinged privatisations and out-of-control austerity measures, one would think to replace governments departments software and school computers with free open-source operating sytems and use open-source alternatives to Microsoft Office applications. But no, they keep pouring money into buying Mcrosoft licences for products that serve the American empire very well; happily transferring all citizens work data, including children’s school assignments to US institutions, placing everything on a silver place into the Pentagon’s hands.
Vivian , I can only guess where this comes from. Gates is not perfect but he has created something like 100,000 jobs around the world. People rank his company at the top of admired companies and competition for Microsoft jobs is fierce because employees are well paid and treated fairly. He is giving away nearly all his money to the place where he cleverly deduced would have the most impact, African infectious diseases. He has revolutionized philanthropy by making Africa accountable and continues to plow money into malaria and other scourges. He is a brilliant man who has been a victim of the tawdry subhuman politics of envy and is very undeserving of the slagging off he receives from the alt left who understand his vaccine program like they understand the threat posed by coronavirus, as made clear by these threads.
The claims about eugenics and the like are preposterous misrepresentations. You should not repeat them unless you have investigated the claims carefully. This has been debated here before. Indeed you may wish to familiarize yourself with Gates’s Dad and wife Melinda. These have been and are are the driving forces behind the Gates Foundation and she is hands on in Africa. All it seems to take is one misquote and there are some people so primed to hate those who are successful they swallow it hook line and sinker. I hope that is not you.
Gates doesn’t ‘create jobs’. He exploits the labour of others.
Richard that is an unsupportable statement. There are lots of data on Microsoft job satisfaction. It is unsurpassed. Or are you saying those poor fools working there and selected for academic performance, ability to think on their feet and to be creative are delusional?
People vie for Microsoft jobs like almost no others. What in the world makes you say this?
Capitalism exploits labour, George C. QED. Do you imagine that the Microsoft wage slaves would be less satisfied under a system where they enjoyed all the fruits of their labour rather than having billions siphoned off to make Gates richer than Croesus?
Is it not a mutually beneficial arrangement? And I am not convinced the money would be better off in the hands of government than in the hands of Gates. They would just inefficiently piss it away on cockamamie vote-getting schemes. His philanthropy has been so innovative it has pulled in Warren Buffets money as well. Why had no government thought to do what he has done?
How is it ‘mutually beneficial’ when eight mega-parasites control as much wealth as the bottom 3.5 billion or so human beings?
Rising tides lift all boats. But my dear Richard, why do you wish to speak for Microsoft employees. A bit doctrinaire, is it not?
George, are you kidding? Inequality in the USA has been rising for forty years and is now the greatest ever. The witty apothegm is actually, ‘ A rising tide lifts all yachts’.
I know, but ‘yachts’ sounds so elitist and onepercentish. And had I said yachts, you would have been all over me like a rash. Inequality is independent of an overall rise in standard of living and quality of life. Unless you judge your own circumstances only by the richest around you. That is a recipe for perpetual unhappiness, if you don’t mind me saying.
So the inequality that sees a few billionaires controlling as much wealth as the bottom 50% of humanity is OK with you, so long as the serfs get $10.50 an hour rather than $10.00. Am I getting that correct? And there has NOT been an ‘overall rise in the standard of living and quality of life’ for at least 50% of the population in the USA for forty years or so.
It’s about compared to what. The lesson from pure strict socialist experiments is uniform. Many humans are motivated by self interest. The USSR collapsed because productivity was pathetic. Were it not for natural resources Russia would be third world.
So motivation has to be there. But Scandinavian countries have combined strong social support with the prospect of personal advancement via hard work.
The disparity between rich and poor in many Western countries is obscene and should be drastically diminished but tax revenues are poorly managed by governments and legislated donations by the rich may be more effective.
You say quality of life has not changed. Look at longevity for starters.
That’s the kind of thing I said when I was a student at uni 60y ago. What it often boils down to is whether or not you prefer resources be in the hands of clever hardworking people who created them or in the hands of worthless governments who will piss them away on re-election schemes. Sure many of the rich are scum, and some in the public sector are saints. But as a student of this for possibly longer than you, I side with making incentives for the rich to encourage philanthropy. I wish too we could take human nature out of the equation.
“If you are not a liberal when you are twenty….”
Strange how Gates has “given away 90% of his money”, but still gets richer every year. $50 billion, $60 billion, $70 billion. Strange, that.
Paul! There is nothing strange. Just take a look at stock markets over the last 5 years. DJI would do.
I find the things said about Gates on this site to be gobsmacking. He starts out with an SAT of 800/800. An extremely rare perfect score. He created 100,000 jobs. Microsoft is voted best or near best employer in the world. People compete to work there. They take the very best. He is a tough businessman, true but he creates products people want. It’s not like he’s BAE or anything, selling arms so others can kill each other. He succeeds in a very competitive environment.
He brilliantly surmises that his money would be most effectively spent in Africa and revolutionizes philanthropy there by making them accountable. He has saved more lives there than you have civilized ancestors. He inspires the Buffets to join in.
And what does he get from the envy-addled incognoscenti? Scurrilous whispering about his motives. I strongly suggest you inform yourself about Gates Sr. and Melinda who largely have run the Gates Foundation. He is the very best America has to offer.
I’ll second what you say about Linux Mint.
I’ve been trying various Linux OS for more than a decade. Linux was a bit ropey back in the day, but now Linux Mint is top notch and I’d highly recommend it.
The usual thing is that most Windows programmes won’t run under it. In which case keep an old Windows 7 machine (and it might not be a good idea to have it connected to the internet) which you can do your stuff on, and then transfer it over to your Linux machine, which can handle just about all Windows files.
For example, I’m a heavy user of AutoCad, and I still prefer doing the original on Windows, despite the fact that you can now get generic versions that will produce DWG files on other operating systems.
The answer to this nonsense is always to require the ‘leaders’ to ‘set an example’.
So all Green Fascists should be required to live very carbon negative existences, the punishment for even being carbon neutral being asset sequestration. Start by telling George Monbiot that he can live in London or Somerset but he cannot live in both and he can never again fly on an aircraft. Dear me….
Then these ‘crowd control’ protaganists can remain within a 30 mile radius for 10 years, living without access to the internet. It is very achievable, they can do an internship on a Kibbutz or an Amish farm. Dear me…
Then you have the EU Remoaners who cannot accept democracy. Identify their top ten wishes and pass a law making it illegal for any of those wishes to be enacted. Dear me……….
When I was at Uni, there were typical self-serving shysters who said ‘Aren’t I a nice Young Man?’ to get elected to a student committee to ‘show their leadership potential’. Having done absolutely nothing for 12 months, they did not write that on their CV to employers, did they? They just made a grovelling apology at the AGM….
Real world………..
gorge mon bot is a pirate just another city of london khazar actor
you know a non semitick anti semite a rabbi for the green goyim
like all the turkick steppe money changers monbiot knows a lot about taxation and it’s infinite connections with pollution chatges.
he once dated melanie phillips imagine that zio horror show
is it not
I would also like to add this Rhys, that any world leader who wants to start a war, must be prepared to be the first combatant in that war.
why would they do that, as long as there’s an endless supply of drooling morons lining up to be cannon fodder?
But Di Caprio and Clooney and Elton and Harry and Meghan would have to keep their private jets to pick up all their global warming awards.
The the rest of us could easily all give up cars and planes and meat like Little Greta.
And discover the joys of cycling and horses and carts (assuming Greta will permit those, I don’t know.)
Who needs Ibiza when you can have a week in Blackpool?
And why not go back to majestic sailing ships? There’s nothing so beautiful as a full rigged barque. Break out the salt pork and ship’s biscuits!
Sorry, I was forgetting. Tofu and mung beans. Yum, yum!
FACTS
7:47 am Jan 30
In total 7,711 confirmed cases of novel coronavirus have been reported in China as of Jan 29, with 170 deaths and 124 recovered.
6:35 am Jan 30
Hubei Province reported 1,032 new novel coronavirus cases and 10 new recovered cases on Jan 29; total number of infection in the province is 4,586, with 90 recovered and 162 dead.
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170 is 2.2%
162 is 3.5%
THAT IS WORRYING.
Whats up with the drive past shooters without guts to say what they disagree about FACTS!
Flat earthers ???
Lols
just breath cowboy
just breath
make vit c your friend
make your on collodial silver
pour 3% cap full of hydrogen peroxide in ear hold for 10 mins then do the other ear.
cut back on your sugar
honey you will be fine
even when the manager of the man fu kung takeaway sneezes in your face.
don’t sweat it
in fact do
sweating is good as is filtered water
avoid bat shit soup for now
The Chinese authoritarian governance method is looking like the way of the future: RIP freedom, the US will soon be looking very much like Chinese communism.
The Chinese authorotarian government has eradicated poverty AND is creating more millionaires and billionaires faster than the USA authoratarian government.
Mixed economy Socialism is the best form world government with a localist democracy for the future security of humanity.
Look at the latest numbers on the virus i posted above – do you think India will be able to deal with it better with it’s mainly US capitalist system? Or us?
The Chinese are building a 2,000 bed specialist hospital in a weeks! The ancient civilisation that gave us silk and gunpowder – the Celestial Empire, which went into shock and retreated when it realised they were not the only ‘civilisation’ on the planet.
China has re-emerged from that cacoon as the New Paradigm to again gift the world with another gift of human civilisation.
Which the US has NEVER been – based on a self created lie of ‘individualism’ and the European/Abrahamic certitudes of its own celestial empire.
The ‘interesting times ‘are for us I fear and about bloody time too!
I agree that a mixed economy is best, the old European model. Both the USA and China have authoritarian components that are not attractive. I do not deny that an authoritarian government is the only way that China could have made such progress in such a short time – imagine if all Chinese railroads have suffered the delays of the uk high speed rail link.
The question is really whether the current form of Chinese government will serve China well in the next phase of its development.
It does and will do so, not just for China.
The SCO and BRI is the reason.
Russia is committed to it – the recent reforms announced by Putin seem to be all about aligning to the same model.
The EU can be steered to the same course.
We were robbed of our postwar choice 40 years ago by the neocon libs and the ballot fraud last month.
The Chinese make EVERYTHING including the US Oreos and I-Phones. They are building our Nuclear power station and operating superfast trains- they could probably build a HS3 maglev system faster, cheaper and less destructive for us if we let them, from Scotland to Beijing by train at 300+mph! Wouldn’t that be something?
They have a rover still operating on the far-side of the moon a whole year later. A whole new GPS system and the newest factories for electric and hydrogen next gen tech. ..
Meanwhile we have been rail roaded into a Brexit by the ancient dying empire which wants to preserve its illgotten gains of centuries and racist superiority…getting our cunnntrry back!
That Empire is dead. Long live the new Empire.
The C21st may yet end happier for the planet and humanity than it started.
You’ll love this from the Graun and it got 558 upvotes.
Fishgirl has quite a fan club ! Suprised he has lasted so long without banishment – must have been that period of Corbyn bashing pre election months when they were trying to push the party to adopt a second referendum as policy… a charmed life on the boards indeed… long may FG swim there!
Of course having been chucked off there without a valid reason – I haven’t been able to drop my batshit on their fragrant comment pages. I won’t resort to creating another account.
Nor contribute by purchasing the rag after more than 35 years of daily consumption – i missed the crosswords for a while.
There are compensations – other sites, good and bad; a wider perspective of the propaganda agenda and other commentators (like you) to parry with 😉
Anyway. I dis enjoy the locking of arms and singing of auld Lang Syne ny that Parliament in response to the yarboo brexiteers dropping their pants and mooning with union jacks stuck in their rectums as they looked forward to their free money pensions from the EU !
Don’t know which was the ugliest bum on display Windycoombe or The FartAge!
China will be impressive, mostly because it has so many individuals and because the west has decided to give up its manufacturing to the rest of the world. Most importantly, many individual Chinese are now discovering the joys of having some cash, for example they are discovering international travel and holidays – something that is not in their culture – with 150+ million last year flying to their holidays, which is half of the USA population, just think of the carbon. This is the important bit, not the rover on the moon, which is just posturing or the BRI which is just imperialism. It looks like China and Russia are going to fill the imperialist vacancy left behind by the dying USA, but can a China led by the CCP actually replace the USA as leader of the world?
The first step, from my perspective, is for their manufacturing to be recognized as quality manufacturing, as it is in Japan etc. The USA used to lead the world in quality manufacturing, where people trusted Made In USA. Will China be able to step up to that level of leadership under the CCP? We shall see.
The chinese middle class is already as big as the WHOLE population of the US! It will only be surpassed by the Africans in the next century.
They are the biggest tourist spenders per head in the UK. The posh shops in Mayfair and the slite auction houses employ top oxbridge mandarin language graduates as sales people!
The Chinese tourist buck is what is going to save Engurrland this generation. I’ve seen it with my own eyes over the last 10-15 years across the world. They travel in plane loads and coaches. They expect their food and plenty of photo ops. They do not speak foreign languages – they work hard, earn plenty and want the dream holidays. All year round.
Stop being blinded by the supposed US past superiority. The Germans were as good if not better engineers and remain so. Mercedes and like are still bought world over as status. Which yank car is so successful ?
The UK made the rail industry and engines – who supplies most of the worlds engines now?
It is way past time thinking the old empire has much to offer besides IP bought years ago. It’s been over for a while now.
And yes the fact of a soft landing and exploration of the moon means that if the US wants to lay claims on in for having landed there first – the Chinese can claim a longer continuous presence of the far side. Humanity is already crowding near space. Interplanetary space is the next and essential new frontier.
WE can go there together as the human race or as some dumb idea of settlers and empire builders from the old superiority minded anglo imperialists. It is our dumb choice to make.
What’s your choice?
You forgot to mention that half of them are still living in poverty and have not yet reached working class status. Yes, there are a lot of them so obviously every class will have a lot of them in that class, from millionaires to farmers. Just remember that they have over 600 million in poverty. Chinese tourists in London will swamp London, given that London has a population of around 8 million. In Hong Kong the Louis Vuitton shops used to have bouncers to force the mainland customers to queue down the street, there were so many of them. But now they no longer come to HK to buy handbags and those days are gone.
Keeping the middle class happy is going to be an issue: dragging them out of poverty made them happy, but the next generation will have forgotten that and want something more. Dragging the remaining Chinese out of poverty is essential to moving China to global leadership.
Producing more billionaires is easy for China, after all, Xi is a billionaire just like Putin, but neither have been business men, they would, in another context, be referred to as not-so-common thieves, the beneficiaries of the spoils of internal strife.
There is NO poverty in China, comparable to US poverty ot the third world.
Never mind, compared to Indian or African poverty – no one starves, or doesn’t have a basic safety net.
All children are educated and aspirational and rewards are plentiful- the GDP growth is still exceptional.
Once they do get to just providing their ‘industry’ for their own internal markets, we, the rest of the world, are going to experience INFLATION on all these cheap Chinese produced basics we have come to rely on.
Their currency will equally rocket – try and enjoy the relative cheapness now before the Yuan becomes prohibitive, is my advise.
You keep making it up, but I was quoting Xi. In his report on 2019 he stated “… and 10 million people left poverty in 2019.” I’m sure you know better.
Xi says ten million remain in poverty, while you declare that ‘..half of them are still living in poverty’. So you seem to imagine that China’s population is twenty million??!!
I am not making anything up.
‘Today, poverty in China mainly refers to poor people in rural areas with urban poverty largely eradicated. The following infographic shows just how successful efforts to reduce poverty in China have proven. ‘
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/12/chinas-long-road-to-poverty-elimination
There is plenty of independent proof out here on the cussed interweb that no amount of gaslighting by paid trolls can overcome.
There has been an exponential decline in Chinese poverty – prove it otherwise.
And show us the same stats for US poverty – i hear many live in cars and tents …
Your Orientalist ignorance and arrogance is pathetic.
Wow, it is impossible to have a rational discussion on this website. Is “He’s a racist” the only contribution your brain can manufacture? Xi says that the country lifted 10m people out of poverty and now I am a racist for quoting him? Wow, dumb or what.
Richard Le Sarc is the resident troll here, littering this site with his hundreds of comments, many ad hominem. Off Guardian has put no weekly written lines limit on anyone and wants to leave this space completely free so here we are.
China can do no wrong for him and Israel only bad.
This guy pretends to support Islam but writes Moslems instead of Muslims.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/01/12/why-j-k-rowling-is-so-incensed-about-rupert-murdochs-tweet-about-moslems/
J.K. Rowlings notwithstanding, there is absolutely nothing wrong with both spellings – Muslims and Moslems – since they are phonetic transliteration of the Arabic word
When Baby Boomers were children it was Moslem. The American Heritage Dictionary (1992) noted,”Moslem is the form predominantly preferred in journalism and popular usage. Muslim is preferred by scholars and by English-speaking adherents of Islam.”
According to the Center for Nonproliferation Studies,”Moslem and Muslim are basically two different spellings for the same word.”
Etymologically, “Moslem” is derived from the Ottoman Turkish (and earlier Persian) “Mosalmun”, which both mean “Muslim”.
Ant, even for you, in my opinion a truly nasty Zionist racist and hasbara troll, that is nonsense. Whinging about the spelling of Moslem is just dumb-and I thought your lot were the smartest creatures in the Universe. I must have been mis-propagandised.
Antzy – ah ha..ha ha ha …roflmao!
When the message fails – gag the recipients!
“..has put no weekly written lines limit on anyone and wants to leave this space completely free ..”
That my dear propagandist and us victims is GASLIGHTING.
Aimed at providing bait and ‘justification’ for Off-G to instigate a reversal of their raison d’etre – comments being really FREE (gonna play that game Eds?)
A little kids plea of not wanting to play any more with his neighbourhood ‘friends’ and wanting his ball back!
Boo hoo. 😂
I don’t mind being rationed a number of lines per week if it is the same for all BTL. Just put a public counter in.
Sorry aspnaz-I misread your ten million were lifted from poverty, as ten million left in poverty. I still think that your attitude is Orientalist and arrogant, but that’s very common in the West. Your claim that 600 million are ‘in poverty’ seems to me to be highly questionable, to say the least. I would imagine that a higher percentage of Americans are mired in poverty these days than Chinese.
Xi hasn’t lifted 10 million out of poverty.
He has lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty.
Actually it has been the CCP and the Chinese Government and the work of the Chinese people over seventy years that has done the job.
It’s a favourite trope of tame media hacks of the Luke Harding variety that Putin has stolen $40, 100, 200 billion or whatever figure comes into their heads. Likewise Xi. Likewise Maduro. ;Likewise Morales. Likewise the Iranians.
Likewise whoever happens to be in the Zionist/ Neocon cross hairs that week.
Surprisingly enough, no title deeds, bank transfers, or equity dealing are ever produced to evidence their sticky fingers.
But it must be true, because Steele, or Soros, or Khordokovsky, or Harding say so.
Ain’t that the truth!
The Chinese stepped up to that level long ago. They’ve got you worried, haven’t they.
The Chinese themselves think of their system as ‘democratic’. Your problem is Orientalism, the inability of Westerners to comprehend how a vastly different civilization behaves in the world.
Richard, you are an idiot. I live in HK, work in HK and mainland China, have been here for decades, am married to a Chinese lady and have all my investments in the Chinese sphere of influence. Why would I want China to fail? China’s success is what keeps me fed.
Righto-then why do your words betray a certain frisson of cultural contempt? Is it me, or are you one of those Westerners who prefer Chinese compradores, the type rioting in Hong Kong? Your garbage about Xi(and Putin)being billionaire thieves, the beneficiaries of ‘internal strife’, rather supports my thesis, I fear.
What colours your brolly?
How are the CIA and State department funded crowds and Ukrainian Banderist nazi thugs coalition, putting school kids in the front line, getting on?
I suppose their standard issue protest kits are equally good for the virus
😷🙆🏾🙎🏿 🌂
🤣🤣🤣🤣
aspnaz – What do you know about CIA asset Julie Eadeh?
http://themillenniumreport.com/2019/08/c-i-a-color-revolution-chinese-prove-us-state-dept-running-violent-protest-in-hong-kong/
Julie Eadeh the Chinese equivalent of Victoria Nuland?
The ‘old European model’ relied on the pillage of the non-Western untermenschen. England raped Scotland, Ireland, India (tens of trillions!)Africa etc, France West Africa and Indochina, Holland the East Indies, Belgium the Congo (ten million dead!)Spain, Latin America, Portugal Brazil, Germany leftover bits in Africa,including the genocide of the Herrero in Namibia etc.
Not unless the kosher folk take over Beijing.
Love it!
I’ve taken info from the comments on the other two articles to pose the following questions:
— Building a “coronavirus” hospital in 48 hours or is it 4 days? Why are all the images of the amazingly quickly built hospital only of masses of diggers with no obvious signs of them doing anything useful?https://news.sky.com/video/coronavirus-drone-captures-hospital-construction-11917305
— Can it be true that critically endangered pangolins are on sale at Wuhan market? https://dunyanews.tv/en/Health/529988-Wuhan-market-contained-snakes-porcupines-foxes-pangolins-before-coron. Why do they show us another animal in this photo when the caption refers to pangolins? (If anyone can enlighten me on the animal shown I’d be very interested to know). https://www.savepangolins.org/what-is-a-pangolin/
— https://www.wired.com/story/wuhan-coronavirus-snake-flu-theory/
Chinese researchers, led by Wei Ji, a microbiologist at Peking University Health Science Center’s School of Basic Medical Sciences state, “the codons preferred by 2019-nCoV [are] those preferred by a handful of potential hosts that include: humans, bats, chickens, hedgehogs, pangolins, and two species of snakes”.
When it is said about coronaviruses …
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus
Coronaviruses are a group of viruses that cause diseases in mammals and birds. In humans, the viruses cause respiratory infections which are typically mild including the common cold but rarer forms like SARS and MERS can be lethal. In cows and pigs they may cause diarrhea, while in chickens they can cause an upper respiratory disease. There are no vaccines or antiviral drugs that are approved for prevention or treatment.
— We are told in the research article Wei Ji and his team published in the Journal of Virology:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/jmv.25682 (22 January 2020)
But in response to this paper:
https://www.wired.com/story/wuhan-coronavirus-snake-flu-theory/
— Is the Netflix docuseries on preventing a pandemic a coincidence?
https://www.netflix.com/au/title/81026143
— And is Event 201, an event partnered by the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, a high-level pandemic exercise on October 18, 2019, in New York a coincidence?
— Are we all going to be a guinea pigs for a never-used before vaccination? https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/01/26/vaccine-for-the-china-virus-the-planet-is-the-guinea-pig-for-a-vast-experiment/ (see also fake swine flu news – https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/01/25/new-china-virus-swine-flu-hoax-history-matters/)
Have been informed that the animal shown in the picture whose caption relates to pangolins is … the civet cat. And guess what? The civet cat was deemed to have been the source of SARS. They love connecting their hoaxes.
https://dunyanews.tv/en/Health/529988-Wuhan-market-contained-snakes-porcupines-foxes-pangolins-before-coron
Oh you do write plenty of links flaxy.
Though I’m going to withold judgement until you have applied your razor to it.
Batshit. A great source of fertiliser at one time. What of snake shit? They have always been known for their fork tongues, what?
I’m not sure how to take your reply, Dungroanin. I see you put in a comment further up the word, FACTS, and then quote figures provided. Anything reported by anyone I do not regard as fact necessarily. If there’s convincing evidence to support figures sure I’ll believe them but I see none at all in this coronavirus fear-porn reporting. Lots of people wearing masks and lots of reporting of figures and someone lying on a hospital floor. Don’t mean a thing to me when there are so many questions raised about aspects of the reporting.
My approach, Dungroanin, is to supply a number of points that favour fakery over real, preferably from a number of different angles and try to ensure there is nothing favouring reality over fakery – I really don’t want to make false claims and like to ensure that all available evidence either actively or passively supports my hypothesis while there is nothing that actively supports the opposing hypothesis. It’s then up to someone who supports the “real” hypothesis to provide points that favour it. As I say, what I see so far does not actively support real – anything presented fits into the following categories:
— Highly anomalous and raises questions
— Could fit either hypothesis thus doesn’t actively support real over staged
That is my Occam’s Razor method. I’m truly mystified why people keep attacking it. It’s so straightforward and simple.
I’m always willing to be proved wrong. So if you have any piece of evidence that fits “real” much better than it fits “fake”, please let me know what it is.
My angles are:
Making claims without explanation you might expect and thus questions are raised, eg, the two species of snakes.
— How is it possible that a virus known to occur only in mammals and birds suddenly switches to reptiles, specifically two species of snake?
— Why these two species? Did they test all the other species?
— Why are these two species of snake mentioned with no specificity of species for the other animals listed?
Discrepancy between show and tell
— We are shown an image of a civet cat but the caption speaks of pangolins. It is true that the caption does not indicate specifically that the image shows a pangolin but nevertheless the question is raised, “Why a civet cat?”, when this animal has not been mentioned at all in relation to this virus although it was, allegedly, the source for the SARS virus. (While this is not evidence as such I point out that we often see connections indicated between events, eg, we see a woman at a school shooting wearing tracksuit pants with “Las Vegas” on them and then two weeks later whaddayaknow? Someone actually suggested before it happened that there might be an event in Las Vegas on the basis of this tracksuit emblazoning.)
Anomalous behaviour
— We do not expect an Australian scientist to say, “It’s complete garbage” about a Chinese research team’s work, especially in this crisis situation.
Impossible physicalities (plus discrepancy between show and tell)
— A hospital cannot be built in a matter of a few days. Moreover, they don’t show us the hospital being built in that time. They show us many diggers spinning around in a completely dug out area. They are having a lend, here, Dungroanin, they really are and if you can’t see that …
Seems implausible (and no explanation)
— As pangolins are on the critically-endangered list it seems difficult to believe that they are being sold publicly in a market. Sure, they could be but I find it hard to believe.
Coincidences
The coincidences of the Netflix docuseries and the Event 201 focused on pandemics are not evidence, I admit, but they don’t hamper the fakery hypothesis in any way, do they?
And just to add, Dungroanin, there is always a double-hypothesis when the power elite foist their fakery upon us. They’re faking it … and they let us know they’re faking it.
Nothing could fit the second part of the hypothesis better than the diggers spinning in the dug out ground of the hospital allegedly going up in 4 days – or was it 48 hours? … yet another indicator … different versions of the story.
🎣 Girl?
I ain’t your little 🐟.
Ain’t biting- some pooh is utterly useless and has nothing to offer back to the soul or soil even.
Back to DRDADE ward with you.
Don’t hold your breath as you try to elicite any further response.
So, Dungroanin, while I feel no need to make reference to anyone’s gender or say anything demeaning that alludes to gender for some men on this website the need is there.
So far:
“You need a good shagging in any hole of your choice.”
The constant double reference to flaxgirl/Petra with various versions of flaxgirl including yours above “flaxy”.
“Girl?”
“Hello again, Petra darling.”
I wonder why you and the other men feel the need. What prompts it?
And I wonder what further respectful delights I can look forward to alluding to my gender. How much we’ve progressed, haven’t we? I commented on a site recently whose slogan actually includes the word “patriarchal” (https://www.menofthewest.net/) where my first comment was accepted but my second was blocked. But even when it’s not stated openly you don’t have to scratch deep, do you?
However, as Maya Angelou said:
You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I’ll rise!
Petra..
” Building a “coronavirus” hospital in 48 hours or is it 4 days?”
No Problem…
Awesome, Maggie – and this is back in 2012. We need this technique to rebuild after the bushfires.
A couple of things though.
As a commenter says:
Assembled in 15 days, it was built over a much longer period of time, off site, then carried on site and assembled.
Also, we have the giveaway sign of significantly different stories:
— 48 hours (2 days) – conversion of building
The Dabie Mountain Regional Medical Centre started receiving patients at 10.30pm last night after workers spent just 48 hours converting an empty building.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/01/29/china-opens-1000-bed-coronavirus-hospital-just-48-hours-construction-12142899/
— will be built in 6 days from scratch
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/special-coronavirus-hospital-being-built-21359348
The above article was posted on 25 Jan so where’s the finished hospital? Why are we seeing the progression of this hospital in 6 days in timelapse as they showed the hotel that you posted a link to?
It’s all a load of cobblers.
Oops! “Why aren’t we seeing the progression of this hospital” not “Why are we”.
You have the companies in Australia that make pre fabricated buildings;
https://ausco.com.a/
https://www.mbiaa.com.au/
https://www.modscape.com.au/
Built and delivered in 12 weeks?
So, there you have it, your own access to pre fabricated buildings.. all you need now are the volunteers to build, of which there must be literally thousands of willing hands.
I’m not following you? What precisely is a ‘load of cobblers.”
That’s interesting, Maggie. I’d say most places would be insured so for the rebuild of those houses it wouldn’t be a volunteer thing but perhaps pre-fab plus volunteers might work for the others. I wonder if insurance companies will end up going pre-fab.
Sorry, I mean the coronavirus pandemic is a load of cobblers.
Glad we cleared that up Petra. 🙂 I was thinking it would be advantageous for those whose homes were decimated by fire and flood to volunteer to rebuild pre fabs to get the job done quicker?
Also, there needs to be more attention paid to retaining water, and by that I don’t mean dams.
Pre-fabs do seem sensible and I wonder if Habitat for Humanity is some kind of model that can be used. However, when houses are insured then I guess there are rules for these things – if people have insured like-for-like they mightn’t be too keen on pre-fab. Funnily enough, the house of a friend of mine burnt down just before the bushfires took off due to an electrical fault.
Yes, Peter Andrews’ is so criminally under-listened to. Thanks for the John D. Liu video – I’ve watched one that was on an area in China he helped rehabilitate but I didn’t know there were so many others. I’ll watch this one now.
China mastered the 3D printing of houses five years ago, perhaps this is what it is using to build hospitals in record time:
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-27156775
A quick google seems to prove me right:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/infrastructure/a30655741/china-build-hospital-coronavirus/
LOL, Vierotchka. So the hospital’s built now, right? Do we see timelapse video of it this remarkable construction happening? Where’s the hospital in all its glory?
Vierotchka when they hoax us, they tell us good and proper.
1. A dedicated “coronavirus” hospital is highly implausible, is it not?
2. A hospital being constructed in 6 days would be beyond remarkable, especially without all the necessary work that gets done before such a construction would take place.
3. But then they also tell us that they’ve taken an empty building and converted it to a “coronavirus” hospital in 48 hours? A bit puzzling, no? We now have TWO coronavirus hospital whipped up in no time.
4. We are not shown anything convincing of either hospital in its finished state.
I never said it was built, your ridiculous and shameful mocking patronizing notwithstanding.
Apologies, Vierotchka, my mocking tone was wrong.
Whaddayaknow, Vierotchka, it seems they did build the hospital in record time – not sure if it was 4, 6, 9 or 10 days or longer – I mean how can we be sure that the “ground zero” image full of diggers is so recent (or even genuine) but however short the period what we do know is this:
The hospital was planned and a lot of pre-fabrication work would have been done, it was not built in response to the coronavirus and it will not be only managing coronavirus cases if any. https://youtu.be/-srzds_1lqs
China apparently is building hospitals in record time using 3D printing:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/infrastructure/a30655741/china-build-hospital-coronavirus/
Whaddyaknow, Maggie, it seems the hospital was built in record time. See my response to Vierotchka below.
https://off-guardian.org/2020/01/29/coronavirus-media-reveals-a-very-familiar-agenda/#comment-116279
Another article by Jon that may explain what’s really going:
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/01/29/china-epidemic-the-strange-role-of-the-middle-class/
Happen to be watching Apocalypse Now. Kilgore’s line struck me, “Some day this war’s going to end.” You just know he doesn’t want it to end.
Anyways regarding the article, maybe this is the new front of war. We had the war on terror sort of get displaced by the war on white supremacy and more generally the war on democracy-haters. Maybe the powers that be are anticipating that’s playing out and we need another war to displace that. Hence the war on pandemics or whatever.
Yes, that is what Deep States want, the illusion of full (mind) control. The Western variety saw Mao’s /Xi’s Chinese example and want to copy that. Chinese emperors have been trying it for millennia.
That damn Internet plus mobile devices!
1984 might happen only in 2024!
And all the Zionists demand is TOTAL CONTROL of what the goyim say, think or do, and ANY deviation into, say, describing Palestinians as human beings just like Israelis, will get you twenty years for ‘antisemitism’.
This Coronavirus could be a real threat to our national security. In which case I think we had better take it jolly well seriously and put our faith in our Tory leaders to keep us all safe. We don’t want to rock the boat here unlike those lawless French types across the Channel.
The downvoter either didn’t notice or didn’t appreciate your irony, it seems.
I’d say the moderators were at work. As you know major “news” (read disinformation) organizations were shutting down their comments sections entirely. Just looking at the samples is easy to tell that many are paid shills for big pharma or .gov. This is one of the objectives of PRISM as you remember.
The irony is the more they do this sort of thing the more of a self deluded bubble they are creating for themselves and the more surprised they’ll be when the guillotine blade falls on their neck.
https://friedemannwo.wordpress.com/2020/01/30/the-coronavirus-an-important-moment-in-human-history I`ve added some thoughts and condensed some information into an article.
Just as a general comment: the media used to aim at NOT alarming the public. The motto was “Dont’ Panic!” Now the motto is “Be afraid! Be very afraid! All the time!”
‘Tremble and obey’.
Yesterday in Paris, police and fire fighters battling each other…
https://twitter.com/HZ_Press/status/1222246518540963846
This has also been going on today, and I could post many, many other links; problem is, you get moderated on this board if you post multiple links.
Point is, that France is now in an open state of revolt, and the USUK presstitutes will not mention one whisper of it.
By the way, many of these ‘police’ are brought in from other parts of Europe (mostly eastern Europe) and the French budget deficit has been totally ignored by the EU, which is basically run by the Germans, who are a subsidiary of the Americans.
It’s all a crock of shite, championed by the whores in the MSM, and what’s happening in France is a great awakening.
At the moment I have no idea how it’s all going to pan out.
EM, En Marche, Emmanuel Macron, the Dauphin and would be nusun king is history – that’s how it pans out. The neolib con has failed to grab the EU into it’s mince grinder.
Nonsense.
This is what’s’ happening in France at the moment…
https://twitter.com/Terrence_STR/status/1222632685883076619
You may call it ‘nonsense’, but it will be coming to your little corner of the world sometime soon.
I live a stone’s throw away from France, I speak fluent French (one of my 5 languages), I read daily reports and watch daily videos about the situation in France, and I can say that France has absolutely not brought in any police from other parts of Europe. I am likely far more aware than you are of what is happening in France, mon pauvre petit ignare!
It still is totally unrelated to the topic at hand wich is the coronavirus situation.
Aren’t the pompiers mainly voluntary across France, and the riot police a paramilitary national organisation?
My french friend has been having to walk many kms in recent months to get to urgent medical appointments.
There really is NOTHING in the UK msm (well the Guardian published some fetching ballet dancers many weeks ago …)
Yes.
– As of December 2015, there were 246,900 firefighters in France:
78% voluntary/call firefighters.
– 22% career firefighters, including: 17% civilian. 5% military firefighters (the Paris Fire Brigade and Marseille Naval Fire Battalion)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_services_in_France
With regard to the riot police (CRS):
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compagnies_R%C3%A9publicaines_de_S%C3%A9curit%C3%A9
So easily possible for the local firefighters to take umbrage agains a paramilitary force, then?
Is a stone’s throw nearer than a grenade’s?
It all depends on who is throwing the stone and who is throwing the grenade.
I prefer pomegranates, myself.
Only those who are really ignorant, feel the need to use insults to make a point.
We in Britain are kept in the dark about the demonstrations in France and have to actively seek the information, and ,rely on the superior Knowledge of others like you. merci.
More from yesterday, in Paris.
I include it because it’s history in the fast lane…
https://twitter.com/MoadabJ/status/1222153364647174144
This has to do with the coronavirus how, exactly?
It depends on how stupid you are, with all the bullshit you are fed.
Ok, thanks for confirming that you are very stupid and have gorged yourself on bullshit!
Moderation is automatic if one posts more than two links. It has nothing to do with admin or moderators.
No, the post is held until it can be checked for abuse (spaminess, etc). No abuse, no moderation.
The Australian presstitutes won’t report it, either. Yet when you tell people the media lie by omission, they look bored, don’t seem to get the point.
CM… Sadly, most couldn’t give a rats toenail. Or a bat’s eyelid.
But let’s buy a new outfit at Myer or go to the trendy pub down the road, or get a tattoo or go on an (almost) annual overseas holiday to France or Canada or somewhere. Overseas holidays are the new status symbol you know.
As I’ve mentioned to you before have made many futile attempts to the few friends I have, to acquaintances, even to my mag customers, pointing them to sites like here, The Grayzone, Moon Of Alabama, The Greanville Post, etc, telling them about articles, even Handing them printed articles in person about The White Helmets, ISIS, Imperialism, Yemen, Palestine, Syria, who is behind false flags and colour revolutions, on and on.
And its like trying to debate a brick wall.
They never get back to me about the articles I’ve suggested, and the subject isn’t even mentioned again by them.
May as well headbutt the bloody wall.
Which is why I’m glad you are here along with all the other commenters at the various independent sites.
Snap Gezza,
Cognitive Dissonants are what they are.. mentally flawed MSM junkies.
They know what you say is true but the herd they live and work amongst say baaaa humbug.
https://steemit.com/philosophy/@getonthetrain/plato-s-cave-why-some-people-want-to-remain-prisoners
Yes, I know Maggie, but still bloody frustrating tho. Thanks for the link, am just on my way to sell the mag in an outer suburb, so will read it on the train, cheers…
I’m intrigued Gezza, what Mag?
You can watch the progress, spread and development of the coronavirus around the globe in near-real-time (refresh it twice or three times a day) here:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
It gives you the number of confirmed cases, the number of deaths and the number of people who have recovered and where in the world. As you can see, it doesn’t so far seem to be a huge threat.
I have noticed on social media that many idiots claim that this virus has a patent, among other equally nonsensical statements!
Some might say that coronavirus is all complete rollocks, like all the previous health scares, and is another control method by the utter psychopaths who rule us to keep the plebs under control.
What we need to do is deal with the psychopaths. They are, in one sense, the parasites/viruses.
Free speech is a good idea in the abstract, but in a world of deliberate disinformation driven by business interests and those of the political and intelligence apparatuses created to perpetuate elite rule, forever, it’s a double-edged sword. In any case the truth will be drowned out by the MSM presstitutes’ lies, nowhere more obvious than in these unremitting Sinophobe hate campaigns.
Your view is abstract, therefore we’re going to censor it.
OK?
Now,now, Alf-I didn’t call for censorship, just warned that Free Speech allows the owners of the big megaphones to spread a great deal of disinfo, AND suppress facts and other opinions.
This is more tiresome transparent premature “I told you so” from the author of an article which served to Pooh-Pooh the threat of a new? mutation in a coronavirus causing epidemic respiratory disease in China. Anyone could have told him and you, that most of these are overstated at first. Betting on past performance is hardly discerning, which is what Knightly has done. But it is a bet few would take for their families even if Knightly wishes to wager on their behalf.
But the danger is emphasized because of the immediate preventive implications. It’s simply because people won’t take the threat seriously otherwise, and even then, they often don’t. This is very much like the punters in Florida react to approaching hurricanes. Let’s wait and see how many deaths will be prevented by the strategies put in place. That should be the measure by which public health response should be evaluated.
To repeat, the Chinese approach has been admirable and rapid in every respect.
It will not have escaped the careful reader’s attention that the points about the lowish mortality rate in the context of widespread infection are even more applicable to the flu pandemic of 1918. Whereas Catte Black weighed in to emphasize the high mortality rate she claimed to be 15% in that epidemic, precisely the same problems of case ascertainment mentioned in this article applied then but even more so. This is very selective sophistry.
In 1918 the only diagnostic test available was the autopsy. No virus isolation, no readily available chest X-ray, no serology, not to mention the well-characterized disease nosology which now serves as context and template. So all the asymptomatic or mildly affected cases do not appear in the denominator for that epidemic either. So Knightly cherry-picks when it suits his primary motivation here – to claim that he was right after all, as if 48-72 hours of additional information changes anything. It doesn’t and he wasn’t.
So once again he makes the error of quoting mortality rate without the often far more important contribution to disease burden made by the number of individuals infected. He doesn’t mention it, or maybe I missed it but the disease has to play out to get the number anyway. A low mortality rate (estimated) for the flu pandemic (perhaps no different than for this coronavirus but it sure wasn’t 15% as claimed by Black) did not stop it from killing perhaps 20 million people. So let’s wait and see how this plays out and save the vaccine paranoia and stock quotations till much more meaningful data come in.
I think these two Offguardian articles only add to the politicization of a serious matter best left to the experts.
Finally, one should not ignore the hubris of Tony Fauci from the American NIH who publicly complains about the Chinese not giving him all their data. And why would they want it? So the sleazebag unprincipled Americans can create a vaccine and sell it back to the muppets of the world, aka non-Americans, having made a fortune on buying and selling stocks based on insider information in the Great American Way. What a great deal. The world of potential coronavirus sufferers might be better off in the hands of the Chinese and Australians.
The mortality figure for those infected by 1918 Spanish Flu is actually 10-20% (not 15%) and it is the standard estimate.
We do cite a source in our articles but as you seem to have not read it, please find it here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
And here:
http://www.influenzavirusnet.com/1918-flu-pandemic/mortality.html
And here:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ten-myths-about-1918-flu-pandemic-180967810/
And here (500 million cases, at least 50 million deaths):
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/12/1/05-0979_article
Some sites, such as Buzzfeed, cite the case-fatality rate which is a percentage of total global population, which of course is a much lower figure of 2-6%. Maybe this is confusing you?
Maybe you’d like to explain how citing a widely available mortality figure is ‘sophistry’?
And while you’re at it, can you also explain why you attempt to insinuate we have made a lot of claims and allegations – including criticism of China’s handling of the alleged crisis – that we have never even hinted at never mind alleged?
PS – are you actually a virologist as you sort of hinted in your first comment on this subject? If you are it’s astonishing you aren’t aware of the basic mortality figures for a major influenza outbreak.
If you are not – why did you try to give that impression?
Upto 3.5% fatality and rising at ground zero… maybe because not enough got treatment early enough?
The Global Times is calling it the Wuhan Pneumonia now.
You might also enjoy relevant news at chinadaily.com.cn.
As of 2 days ago, no children had advanced symptoms, only adults.
I could use one of those WW1 gas masks; can’t find a mask here for love or money.
You seem not to understand the issue so let me repeat it. You really think that providing links to support your position are helpful. Those links refer to estimates based on faulty analysis. You also seem to think that quoting hopelessly inaccurate data helps your argument. It defeats it. Is the concept of specialized information that foreign to you? You cite magazines? Buzzfeed? Really! There are scientific journals to consult or even other scientists.
1) the flu rates (death or no fatal infection) of 1918 were not based on any kind of diagnostic test.
2) the symptoms are commonly mimicked by hundreds of viruses and that is just as true today.
3) in 1918 the concept of asymptomatic or mild cases had yet to emerge
4) this did not come until it was possible to make the diagnosis with certainty
5) serological tests (cheap and easy) and viral isolation (Expensive and difficult) came much later than 1918.
6) so the denominator of “cases” in 1918 was surely hugely distorted by not including those who were infected, and not symptomatic, so would not have been tested even if they could be. But who would have converted serologically and would be recognized today as such cases are in the present coronavirus matterWe also “know” this from reasoning by analogy with several other closely related flu epidemics and from the spread of similar viral infections. Ebola and some hemorrhagic fevers are exceptions where asymptomatic infection is very much less frequent, but even there it is possible that this could be population-specific.
7) Furthermore at that time there was a belief that severity was what defined the flu, so mild cases were excluded almost by definition. This was erroneous and surely led to gross overestimates of rates like mortality.
8) the high rate of asymptomatic or barely symptomatic infection is ubiquitous in the viral world. Even was true for polio where paralysis was also quite age-specific.
What bothers me is the following:
1) you want to make this personal by repeatedly and snidely speculating on my background. There is nothing that shouts ‘weak argument’ more than that. If it helps, I made the Current Contents list of most cited authors in Science more than two decades ago and now have been cited >60k times. While hardly a guarantee, it does hint that others do listen to me.
2) you suggest I am unaware… Well, that is insultingly undeserving of comment but once again you go the personal and yet acknowledge nothing of the points I made in two previous posts, which I now have to repeat. This is of course for the readership.
3) At a critical time in the emergence of this epidemic you chose to express concerns that the response was hysterical and fuelled by Mammon. Let me say again, you and your fellow editors would likely not exist statistically speaking, were it not for recent developments in disease prevention. Neither would I and I am grateful for the opportunity to debate you. I reacted as I think I should when scribes say things which have potential to be hugely detrimental to public health..
As for what you said, I suggest you reread your headers. No need for anything more. As for sophistry , information widely available to the public comes in all forms. I’m sure you know that. You aren’t saying that availability bears on veracity are you?
I do like this site and am truly grateful for your efforts in maintaining it. I prefer this not to be left unresolved but do follow this emerging story. Or do you think the WHO is also hysterical?
Keep up the good work and this dialogue will not prevent me from continuing to think about donating.
Well there’s a whole world revealed in five words.
Better than leaving it to the Dunning-Krugerites.
I agree with you that in instances like this, you need someone (or a group) that can give an unbiased estimate of what is going on, let’s call them experts.
But the experts are facing the same problem as everyone else, that is:
1. We do not know how many are infected with the virus, since most with corona virus likely have not have been tested for corona virus (as I mentioned here days before the Guardian made that argument)
2. We don’t know who died, all we know is a number, but why these people were tagged as ‘death due to corona virus is unknown’
In addition to that
1. We do know that the lock down of Wuhan is not really a lock down, since the airport is still open (why would the ‘experts’ allow that)
2. The site where they are going to build an emergency hospital in Wuhan is, what Carl Sagan called: something for which I keep an open mind, but not so open that my brains fall out (building a large concrete building in 10 days, seems an impossible task, and even if they could accomplish that: where are they going to find the personnel and the machinery to take care of the epidemic amounts of very sick people?)
And then there are also quite a number of reasons why the ‘exerpts’ (bought and sold spokesperson for the pharma, of whom some also work for a university), cannot see the fraud that may be at play here, because ‘it’s difficult for a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it’
And then there was swine flue, that had exact the same storyline as this coronavirus has, and which costed governments billions of euros as they were forced to buy a vaccine from the pharma of which the efficacy was unknown, as were the side effects (and still it was given to half a million children in NL alone) and did not halt swine flu!
I do know the story of Hansje Brinkers who put his finger in the dyke and saved NL from flooding. That story was a complete fabrication by some American women who never went to NL and could not have a clue about Dutch dykes.
And to me that is what we also see now happening in China, where some people made a great story about something they don’t know a clue about. Which doesn’t mean that coronavirus doesn’t exists and can kill millions (or that dykes can break and cause a flood), it is just not THIS coronavirus that can kill millions.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And since there is hardly any evidence (most is hearsay, supplemented with meaningless numbers), there is no extraordinary event.
BTW, I do not understand why you get voted down by some: your argument was well formulated and although I do not agree with your assessment, I appreciate comments that give well argued and alternative viewpoints that can be contested.
What is it you disagree with?
It is precisely “the politicization of a serious matter” that Kit’s article addresses.
George et al,
EXPERTS:
It is speculated infections will not peak until April/May even with quarantine now being imposed. https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/china-2019-ncov/-2019-ncov-who-chp-wpro-ecdc-oie-fao-moa-reports-and-updates/825534-video-discussion-of-ro-containment-timing-of-peak-virus.
I suppose that we will get it in the UK as a summer flu – but there ought to be developed vaccines by then, EU wide.
Probably definitely Bat related not Snake!
http://virological.org/
Looks as if it kicked off around oct/nov – yum Bat! You eat me I eat you.
Science is fast on this – mutations may be restricted but they could yet mutate dangerously.
Not sure it is wise to break people out of quarantine areas in China because they aren’t Chinese.
Heck if it was so easy to clear Europeans out of a country maybe the Brexiteers should have just launched a British virus – they’d have flooded off back to Europe!
Msm keeps saying British Airways this and that – LOL it is not British but IAG. Spanish!
2 days and counting to the damp squib as the EU Parliament joined hands to sing Auld Lang Syne in response to the Fartagers.
chin up George – there are plenty downvoters with NOTHING to offer except they don’t want to hear verities – latest numbers of fatalities at ground zero are worrying, this without further mutations yet!
I am cheered by what Churchill said to an interviewee. “ You have enemies? Good! It means you must have stood up for something important at some time.” I don’t mind the mute anonymous downvoters. In fact if you look up Aretha Franklin’s YouTube of Bridge Over Troubled Water or Mendelssohn’s violin concerto by Zukerman you find downvoters there too. Being neither Franklin nor a violinist nor in their league, I can cope just fine. Thanks, Dun’.
Managing Epidemiology & viral contagion is highly problematic from a perspective of Virology & population control. Managing protocol is key determinant to achievement of successful outcomes for ‘at risk’ cohorts in the population that generalists in the Journalism ‘binez’ seem to neglect when they pontificate about the rights paradigm.
All Social Scientists are professionally bound via fiduciary duty to not facilitate misinformation in times of mass crisis. Lawyers all over the world are concerned for client rights & protections/safeguards vis-à-vis problems of forcible internment
& travel restrictions/Constitutional Mobility, et cetera.
Presently in Toronto we are dealing with misinformed & ignorant parents of children that are signaling to school authorities that they collectively want all people that have recently traveled back to Toronto via mainland China to be quarantined for 16 days and separated from their fellow classmates & school attendance for the duration of the quarantine protocol.
Restricting the mobility & Constitutional Human Rights laws of citizenry is a matter for concern of all Social Scientists including Journalists which seem to have no concern over the tenor of crisis for governance or the superstructure of medicine/population health.
Most Journalists have no concept of the Life Sciences, or Medical Epidemiology.
MOU
There is another issue to censorship. The pushing of narratives by “certain powers” in order to ‘swamp out’ other lines of enquiry about bioweapons or the role of France in the Wuhan lab.
For example:
That Chinese researchers stole viruses from a lab in Canada
That Chinese researchers used bats to transmit viruses
Both of these were pushed by “authoritative” news outlets with no facts to back them up.
This morning Zero Hedge published ‘Is This The Man Behind The Global Coronavirus Pandemic?‘
It is an article under the byline Tyler Durden – which is a widely-used pseudonym on the site.
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/man-behind-global-coronavirus-pandemic
The article was structured like a departmental memo and doxed a supposed scientist called Peng Zhou, I criticized the article, which was clearly not the work of a journalist. It was an attempt to whip up racist hysteria, directed at a particular person.
I said the story looked like planted misdirection.
I posted the following:
“This even reads like it was written by a bureaucrat.
When did ZH start accepting contributions from Mi5”
I was banned from Zero Hedge within seconds of posting that comment.
It reminded me of the summary bannings that began after Mi5 climbed aboard The Guardian.
Though ZH has a reputation as a free-for-all, it’s now clear that it, too, is infiltrated
The Tyler(s) at Zero Hedge banned me in the first month of the Orange Oaf ‘presidency’.
The Tyler(s) are bought & paid for Republican adherents. They are pro-USA even though they are all aware of how criminal it is.
Getting barred from ZH by the anal retentive sadistic Tyler(s) is all part of your indoctrination into my New World Disorder-NWD OFF-ZeroHedge elite club of nonconformists. Welcome to the club, Brother Bailed.
MOU
More and more this looks like a test-run for the INEVITABLE Western bio-warfare attack on China. The mendacious, hypocritical and deeply racist hysteria in reports from the Western MSM is simply nauseating, but utterly as expected.
That is a strange conclusion to leap to
Not ‘strange’ at all. Quite sensible given the nature of Western ruling elites. Do you really think that they are going to tolerate China being the paramount economic and scientific/technological power on Earth?
It could be part of a multi pronged attack on China.
South China Sea, trade wars, Hong Kong, Tibet, Uighurs, Huawei, anything they can throw at it. There will be more sanctions soon, probably mysterious new moslem terrorist groups, anything to destabilise and weaken China.
Just like Russia and Iran.
They’re certainly capable of it.
It has been a multi-pronged attack since 1949. It has grown more reckless now, since China replaced the USA as the largest economy on Earth in 2014, is now 30% larger, growing three times as fast and not increasingly financialised into a gigantic banquet hall for blood-sucking parasites. It’ s the Last Chance Saloon for the Gods Upon the Earth.
More likely Z-Hedge was getting funding from CIA. You just got their source of income wrong. Like you I’ve noticed a decline in their reporting but I thought it was just me.
I’ve also been noticing the same thing with other indy publications. It’s almost as if some of them turned into a journalistic version of a Stepford Wife. I hope OG doesn’t go the same way or I’ll get in my canoe and come over there to have a long talk with the editorial staff 🙂
I’m hearing this argument from ‘antifa’ type leftists these days, and here are my thoughts on the subject:
1.) This just shows you that calling yourself an ‘anarchist’ or a ‘communist’ these days doesn’t necessarily preclude believing in monopoly capitalism. See: you really can have it all now!
2.) If the private sector in the US should not be obligated to respect your First Amendment rights, why should they be obligated to bake a wedding cake for a gay marriage ceremony? After all, the right to a gay marriage (or, for that matter, any kind of marriage) isn’t even in the constitution, while free speech is.
3.) Why limit this wonderful censorship principle to the private sector? Why not allow the government simply to ban free speech outright? After all, you can always choose to renounce your citizenship, go to some other country that practices free speech, and apply for citizenship there. Open borders, baby!
First all the moron that made the remark that Facebook and Twitter are private companies is wrong since they sell stock thus they owned by shareholders who vote on corporate officer appointments. Secondly even before it went public both companies were funded by In-Q-Tel which is a CIA corporate front that is funded by our tax dollars. Aside from that they are operating on what is considered a public utility thus they like all businesses in the US are subject to CRA legislation.
These dipshits are probably corporate clowns or shills who are churning out this BS from some laptop boiler room. Probably in Indonesia or somewhere we they can skirt US Labor Laws and are given a script of some kind to regurgitate because most of their “comments’ as such seem to follow a certain template of some kind.
These seems likely because Caitlin Johnstone tried to engage one of these arrogant self righteous morons and they ran away like scared little girls.
Thus my conclusion is that they are either a psyop or someone who is either heavily medicated or had a recent lobotomy.
like scared little girls
please, sir, can I have some more misogyny? it’s so tasty and nutritious.
Don’t care for the subtext re the opinions of “medicated” people either but casual microaggressions from neurotypicals is hardly unusual, unfortunately
” … you can always choose to renounce … ”
That’ll run you about $2.5K, Bud.
Farting in “their” general direction is free and more satisfying
Another excellent article from OffG – thanks Kit Knightly.
Well, most of us must now realise the importance of genuine unrestrained ‘Freedom of Speech’ as the core of a free, sovereign society. There is a reason why traditionally the US has the First and Second Amendment. The first as the most important and the second to protect freedom of speech. Without free speech we would not have rights against tyranny (especially state and/or technocratic tyranny which the world sadly has to deal with now) and this makes us free. To be clear: personal/militia arms are ultimately to be used defensively and to be used as the last resort against any form of tyranny (against mercenaries of all types and a totalitarian state that interferes with the inalienable rights of the population).
The countries without such protection (like most countries in the West/Europe now), depressingly, will have a much, much more difficult time keeping such tyrannical state forces at bay. Not impossible but difficult – these countries will have to rely persistent non-violent civil disobedience coupled with mutiny in the armed forces, security agencies and police (who we will hope will join the sane general public against their former totalitarian masters). I can hope…
To clarify: my definition of unrestrained freedom of speech is anyone can SAY what they want, even the most despicable people – it is up to other people to counter them if they disagree (and ignore/mute/block them INDIVIDUALLY if that is what they prefer). But wholesale censorship and control of the narrative is absolutely the opposite of freedom.
The quote by English author named Evelyn Beatrice Hall in 1906 (if I’m not mistaken) sums it up:
“I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it”
Actually it was supposedly Voltaire but no matter it’s still true no matter who said it.