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The Great Chinese Bat Flu Panic of 2020

CJ Hopkins

Photo credit: Joe Giddens/PA Wire

Pray for me, my friends, because I have the flu. No, not the Chinese Bat Flu, or Pangolin Flu, or Covid-19, or Coronavirus, or whatever it’s called now … just the regular, annoying Winter flu that goes around Berlin every year during flu season.

It’s a particularly annoying flu this year. You get it, recover from it, then you get it again. All you want to do is crawl into bed, or sit around watching garbage on Netflix. When you get it a second time, and sometimes a third time, it’s kind of a low-grade version of itself, maybe because your immune system knows it … or something. I’m not sure how that works. I’m not a professional virologist or anything.

Or, I don’t know, maybe it is the Bat Flu. The more I read the corporate press, the more I’m beginning to suspect it is. My suspicion isn’t based on facts. I don’t have any of the Bat Flu symptoms. It’s just a feeling … like the feelings people had that Saddam had secret WMDs, and that Trump was a Russian intelligence asset, and that the world was going to end in the year 2012.

OK, those feelings turned out to be wrong, but this one feels like an accurate feeling, and not like just the result of being relentlessly bombarded with hysterical headlines, pictures of people in hazmat suits, and obsessively researching ever-changing, wildly-varying statistics on the Internet, which … I really need to stop doing that.

According to my latest Internet research, the Bat Flu will either subside by late April or will infect approximately 5 billion people (i.e., 60 percent of the world population). If my little Windows calculator is correct, at a death rate of 3.4 percent, that’s 157 million dead people, and at a 4 percent death rate (which I just saw somewhere), we’re talking 200 million dead people!

If you consider that the 14th Century “Black Death” killed 100 to 200 million people, nearly a quarter of the world population (because there weren’t as many people back then), and if you get hysterical and try to compare them (which I’m finding it increasingly difficult not to do), this Bat Flu plague could kill 2 billion people, or maybe 6 or 7 billion people, which is almost the entire human species … anything is possible, after all!

Plus, even if I just have the flu (i.e., the regular flu, not the Chinese Bat Flu), the statistics on that are pretty scary. I don’t know the numbers here in Germany, but, according to the CDC, since 2010, in the United States, the regular old garden variety flu has resulted in the following, annually:

  • 9 million – 45 million cases
  • 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations
  • 12,000 – 61,000 deaths

When you multiply all those numbers by 10 (because it’s been 10 years since 2010), you get:

  • 90 million – 450 million cases
  • 1,400,000 – 8,100,000 hospitalizations
  • 120,000 – 610,000 deaths

That’s 450 million possible cases and over half a million deaths, and that’s just in the United States! To make it concrete, if you stood all those dead people on top of each other, head to toe, so that everyone was standing on everyone’s head, and used them as an enormous ladder, you could climb to the moon and back four times … or once or twice at the very least.

And that’s nothing compared to this Covid-19!

No, according to The Guardian, Covid-19 is “about ten times more deadly than the seasonal flu,” so that’s 610,000 deaths just this year, and if the CDC tracks it for a full 10 years, that’s pretty close to 6 million dead people, which will make it just as bad as the Holocaust (although the Holocaust only lasted four years, so I’ll have to adjust my math for that).

And, remember, that’s just in the United States, which is only 4.25 percent of the total global population. So you multiply the Holocaust by 95 percent (you can round the numbers to make this easier) and you end up with 7 billion dead people, which is nearly every last person on Earth, except for 700 million people! Which, OK, that sounds like a lot of people (i.e., the 700 million, not the 7 billion), but it’s fewer than there were in the 14th Century, i.e., before the “Black Death” plague killed everybody!

Anyway, whatever I have, or don’t have, and regardless of the fact that I’m under 70 and in fairly good health as far as I know, and notwithstanding my algebraic skills, I’m thinking it’s time to take extreme measures. I recommend you do the same.

The first thing to do is to arm yourself and go out and load up on toilet paper. The epidemiologists are now predicting a worldwide toilet paper crisis more or less approaching the scale of the deadly Toilet Paper Crisis of 1813! This toilet paper crisis could continue for months, so you will want to purchase (or otherwise obtain) as much toilet paper as you possibly can, and then hoard it in your house or apartment, or your remotely-located toilet paper depot.

Be prepared to fight for your toilet paper. Things are getting rather ugly out there. Gangs of heavily-armed toilet paper bandits are roving through the streets of Hong Kong robbing people of their toilet paper. An Australian man was tasered by the police at the Big W store in Tamworth Shoppingworld after “becoming aggressive” over the lack of toilet paper.

In California, where a state of emergency is in effect (and presumably a full-scale lock-down is imminent), shoppers have been running amok at Costco, stripping the shelves of toilet paper, Kleenex, and feminine hygiene products.

New York has just declared a state of emergency (possibly toilet paper-related). Italy has locked down the region of Lombardy, although it isn’t clear exactly why, as they mostly use bidets in Italy … but that’s not really important at the moment.

Next, after you secure the toilet paper, you’ll want to load up on mineral water, hand sanitizer, those paper masks, MREs, protein bars, DVDs of the film Contagion, and other essential survival items. You will want to do this in a mindless frenzy of butt-puckering Chinese Bat Flu panic, ideally while wearing a full-face respirator, or a wearable anti-Bat Flu shield, or some sort of homemade hazmat suit. Don’t forget to bring along your favorite “modern sporting rifle” to mow down anyone who gets in your way … and anyone who might be infected, which at this point you have to assume is everyone!

Or, I don’t know, maybe I’m overreacting. Maybe I just have the flu. I mean, what if this whole Corona thing is just nature doing what nature does and not the end of civilization? Look, I don’t want to sound paranoid, but I can’t help wondering whether this virus warrants all the mass hysteria that the corporate media have been pumping out at us, relentlessly, for the last two months, and the states of emergency that are being declared, and the quarantines that are going into effect, and the curfews, and banning of public gatherings, and whatever other “emergency measures” are going to be imposed in the coming weeks and months.

It all seems a little out of proportion to the actual threat we’re facing here, not to mention rather conveniently timed, in light of what’s happening around the world, politically, what with the global capitalist empire right in the thick of a War on Populism, and the American election season underway, and the protests in France, and the general mood of public discontent (or unbridled rage) with global capitalism throughout the West.

Or, I don’t know, perhaps this Bat Flu panic stems from a deeper ideological source. Maybe it has less to do with politics, and more to do with our fascistic pursuit of “perfect health” and “perfect bodies,” and our fear and hatred of ageing and dying, and our narcissistic obsession with ourselves, and our total disconnection from the cycle of life.

OK, take this with a grain of salt, because it’s probably just my fever talking, but sometimes I get this crazy notion that we human beings aren’t actually the Primary Purpose of the Entire Universe, or the Apotheosis of Creation, or whatever, and that it’s natural for some of us to get sick and die, and that every last single disease and health threat doesn’t need to be utterly eradicated, and life doesn’t need to be rendered “safe.” Because maybe sickness and death are, sure, things to be avoided whenever possible, but not at the cost of conditioning everyone to believe we are supposed to live forever, and never get sick or injured by anything, and to believe that things like sickness and death are “enemies,” like hostile aliens, or the sadistic whims of a God who hates us, or errors in the code of creation … which human beings are able to correct.

We’ve been doing a bang-up job of that so far, correcting nature’s (or God’s) mistakes. Haven’t we? I mean, look around. And we have only been at it for a few hundred years. Give us just a little more time, and we will get this whole ugly mess cleaned up, under control, and functioning smoothly if we have to lock down, quarantine, and genetically-correct every sentient creature and particle of matter in the universe to do it! What is the alternative, after all … to just let nature take it’s course, and let people die, like a bunch of savages?

Sorry, I think I’m getting delirious. It’s the fever. It makes me all philosophical. I’d better sign off and get back to Netflix. Good luck surviving the Chinese Bat Flu, and the collapse of Western civilization. And don’t forget to wash your hands!

C.J. Hopkins is an award-winning American playwright, novelist and political satirist based in Berlin. His plays are published by Bloomsbury Publishing and Broadway Play Publishing, Inc. His dystopian novel, Zone 23, is published by Snoggsworthy, Swaine & Cormorant. Volume I of his Consent Factory Essays is published by Consent Factory Publishing, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Amalgamated Content, Inc. He can be reached at cjhopkins.com or consentfactory.org.

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Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
Mar 13, 2020 5:35 PM

I needed a badly swollen insect bite on one of my fingers looking at here in Limassol, Cyprus today. First I phoned a private hospital which I know to have a casualty department where you can just turn up and be seen fairly quickly and asked if I could come in with this. To my asonishment, I was told I couldn’t come to the hospital because of the corona virus. I found a doctor who could see me instead. He lanced the swelling, which had become infected, and prescribed antibiotics. Then, to my surprise, he told me that as of Monday all doctors’ surgeries and clinics in Cyprus will be closed due to the virus and it will only be possible to get advice over the phone or on the internet. I noticed a big increase in numbers of people wearing masks on the street compared to two days ago when I was also in town. I haven’t heard of panic buying of toilet paper here yet!

Dungroaninc
Dungroaninc
Mar 14, 2020 12:56 AM
Reply to  Tim Drayton

Friday the 13th – brings chaos just as it did in December with the rigged election to let in the new baby caesar to deliver the hard brexit from the Treaty of Rome. Lol.

1. In London GP surgeries sent out texts and phone calls
“From Monday 16th March your GP surgery will be operating a telephone triage only. Do not go to the surgery, please call or use e-consult until further notice.”

2. Supermarkets were rammed ALL day full of everyone loading their trolleys full of stuff they will nevet use in six months nevet mind 16 days.
I’ve never seen xmas shopping crowds like this – and there was no music playing in the store – so it resembled zombies on subways with full trollies of panic shopping – like the idiots who bought their fruit and veg first andthan crushed it with massive packs of detergents/ uht milk/ water/ pasta/ tinned goods etc
– it made me laugh.
No bog rolls no paracetamols!
Watching old couples going into environments from which they will definitely pick up infections which they are trying to avoid.
Felt sorry for the store workers.

3. City firms have arranged to have home working from next week – purchasing thousands of lap tops, big screens and kit so their ‘important’ staff can attempt to work from home.
Many companies who work in the conference industry are faced with doom as all their functions are cancelled for months.
All the freelancers and ancillary staff face losing their incomes totally.

4. In the meantime Chinese early action has meant that the epidemic was isolated to one region and one city and new cases are near zero – they are worried foreigners bringing it back in. Same for south Korea.

5. Europeans are the main super spreaders as they traveled through the regions for their winter escapes.

——-
So Friday 13th will this weekend turn into the Ides of March – all the modern Caesars will be troubled.
Good. The Tories OWN this shotfest completely and the masses will finally see they were fooled by Bozo and the Brexit drum and Corbyn was right.

Chris
Chris
Mar 12, 2020 9:35 PM

God doesn’t make mistakes.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Mar 14, 2020 12:57 AM
Reply to  Chris

Which one doesn’t make which mistakes?

nastran
nastran
Mar 12, 2020 7:11 PM

Australian PM had address to the nation. Current world total number: 133 100. His message: 240 000+.

Arby
Arby
Mar 12, 2020 1:21 PM

Yep!

Thomas paine
Thomas paine
Mar 12, 2020 10:24 AM

Tin foil hat anyone?

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 12, 2020 12:41 PM
Reply to  Thomas paine

Patently obvious troll anyone?

Bal S
Bal S
Mar 12, 2020 2:51 AM

I’ve forgotten the words to ‘Happy Birthday’. That’s me f*cked then….

surferdave
surferdave
Mar 12, 2020 2:12 AM

Take this very seriously. Normal flu about 0.1% fatality and not so many critical cases, this one about 4% so about 40 times worse that ‘normal’ but the kicker is about 20% require hospitalisation. Lombardy’s hospitals bed are 80% occupied by corona cases.
BTW, seems the source was the USA, not China at all, but the USA health system (and I guess government in general) is so degraded and chaotic that the CDC just completely missed this and ignorant hubris meant they refused to even consider the possibility. They were not testing at all until a week or so ago, so many of the unusually tough flu season deaths may have been undiagnosed corona cases.
Did Tom Hanks visit China? I don’t think so…

Dave Hansell
Dave Hansell
Mar 12, 2020 9:42 AM
Reply to  surferdave

Well said that man. That must be at least three of us who are paying attention.

jay
jay
Mar 12, 2020 11:55 PM
Reply to  surferdave

Our Chief Medical officer: Chris Whitty, is one of those who believes it will prove to be 1% or lower…

Dave Hansell
Dave Hansell
Mar 13, 2020 7:55 AM
Reply to  jay

Give or take 1% of the UK population would be around 650,000 cases.

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/nhs-hospital-bed-numbers

The above Kings Fund link puts the number of NHS beds at 142,000.

The number of available beds in the private sector are unlikely to make little difference.

Perhaps we could get the Chinese to build us some more facilities over the next few days given the observed 33% daily increase in cases:

https://mobile.twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1237737352879112194?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1237737352879112194&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fskwawkbox.org%2F2020%2F03%2F11%2Ffans-from-madrid-covid-19-hotspot-are-in-lockdown-in-spain-but-govt-allows-them-to-come-to-liverpool-as-bbc-flippant%2F

Or we could rely on the noblese oblige of our feudal overlords:

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-12/british-government-wants-uk-to-acquire-coronavirus-herd-immunity-writes-robert-peston/

Talking of herds I’m going with the alternative of following the herd (because this week I am self identifying as a sheep) by sticking my head under a reinforced pillow of sand and pretending this does not exist; that it is not real; that it is a figment of the imagination; that it is all made up; that no one has actually died; that it is in fact a made up fiction by the PTB as some sort of weird social experiment.🙊🙉🙈

It beats having to climb all the way to the top of the stairs and throw yourself onto the spiked railings.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Mar 14, 2020 1:04 AM
Reply to  Dave Hansell

There are many Chinese medical staff who are now expert at dealing with thousands of patients and may have already even been infected and now recovered – we should be recruiting and flying them into hotspot areas to help the staff of our depleted NHS

And to think that but for vote rigging and the dirtiest election ever Labour would be into its third month having already reversed the understaffing and cuts in the NHS!

Dave Hansell
Dave Hansell
Mar 14, 2020 1:08 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Quite:

Instead, after the failure due to incompetency of not putting in place basic common sense containment protocols in ports of entry (resulting in obvious outcomes such as the closure of a GP surgery in the city I live this week following someone who tested positive for this apparent and alleged non existent, fictional, made up virus visiting the surgery rather than phoning in ahead, putting further strain on the system – which in typical fashion we have become used to has been addressed after the event by putting in place a phone in system for those with symptoms being sent to a testing facility which for obvious reasons is not made public) we get this:

https://mobile.twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1238582836279627779

Two years of extra powers which lower further still the already shoddy standards in care homes and forces schools to stay open so that the herd can be more rapidly infected to cull the Coffin Dodgers.

Eugenics anyone?

Does anyone seriously think this will last only two years rather than be extended? That the local elections will actually take place next year?

Aided and abetted by HM’s “loyal opposition”:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51877544

Apparently, the bog roll panic is about having enough tissue paper to blow noses rather than wipe arses. Which is funny as a runny nose is not a symptom of this fictional, non existent, made up virus (have to keep putting that in to avoid the same BTL fate of comments in the Guardian) .

And, to an extent it’s possible to comprehend the rational of stocking up when there exits reasonable grounds to anticipate disruptions to supply chains based on fragile insufficiently robust JiT systems. Yet most of the same people engaging in this have, and will, fail to carry out the same rational action when it comes to the far worse supply chain disruptions arising from a Brexit negotiated and run by BoJo the clown, Britain’s answer to the birth pill.

Because, let’s face it, does anyone with an operational brain cell really believe this bunch from the fourth form remove who couldn’t run a pantomime – who don’t do detail or science because it hurts their heads – have the capacity, ability and wherewithal to apply such powers in anywhere near a competent and practical manner?

We don’t have enough cells. Or hospital beds. Or police constables. They are not even capable of instigating basic common sense containment protocols in posts of entry.

Not that this will slow things down as there will be plenty of people from within the herd more than willing to police their own communities and neighborhoods. For those with the little englander mindset amongst us this will be the nearest thing they will get to to have their Dunkirk moment, and many will doff their caps and tug their forelocks all the way to the crematorium queue.

What is a safe bet is there will be no sensible solutions along the lines you have suggested.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Mar 14, 2020 8:16 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Ha! Vote rigging. That’s the far scarier global pandemic, trust me. Talk about toilet paper, just gather the ballots if there’s a TP shortage.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Mar 14, 2020 8:37 PM
Reply to  Dave Hansell

Well, if there’s a beds shortage, maybe they can rest in their own.

That’s what I do when I get a killer flu, several times in 50 years, and it seems to have worked, since I’m typing this.

I had one in Paris ’74, that left me unable to bend anything in my body for days.

But I’m all better now. I seem to have survived.

Dave Hansell
Dave Hansell
Mar 15, 2020 10:25 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

The relevant data in this piece:

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/covid-19-exponential-threat-why-global-politicians-business-leaders-must-act-now?utm_campaign=&utm_content=ZeroHedge%3A+The+Durden+Dispatch&utm_medium=email&utm_source=zh_newsletter

details that of known cases of this (fictional made up) virusjust under 81%of cases can be treated at home. That takes just under 526,000 of those cases from needing hospital beds.

Leaving 13.8%/just over 109,000 requiring hospital beds plus a further 4.7%/just over 30,500 requiring intensive care beds.

With a 1% infection rate amongst the population requiring around 139,000 of those 142,000 beds the maths then has to model those numbers on a time frame rate of change. They are not all going to occur simultaneously.

However, given the statistics available for modelling we already have available, we do know that the rate is going to be exponential – it’s going to start off relatively low and then rise at an increasingly rapid rate until the spread is contained (assuming that is an objective).

Of course, the above is based on a 1% infection rate. A higher rate will produce bigger numbers.

And at this stage, given the timeline of events and other relevant and valuable data in Chart 7 from the above link and the non existent containment protocols at UK ports of entry over the past month, we do know that the official known number of cases will at present be a fraction of the true number of cases already existing.

However, Bunter Johnson and his fourth form chums from Eton have come up with a wizard wheeze in which no hospital beds will be required. Reports are circulating that as part of what passes for responsible planning all over 70’s will be isolated at home for up to four months.

As the data from China details the 70-80 age group have an 8% mortality rate it’s not quantum mechanics to know that this will be the group who require the most hospital beds and critical care facilities. Plus of course there the added incentive of culling all those ‘economically inactive” pensioners for both the state and the companies they used to work for. Saving a shed load of money.

Of course the fatal flaw in this cunning sub Baldrick level plan is implementation. Because you don’t need any weapons whatsoever to flout any of these measures. Given there is not enough protective kit to go around even for the security services all one needs to do to about their business unhindered by the busys (as they are known in Scouseland) is start coughing in front of them and they will back off.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Mar 14, 2020 8:06 PM
Reply to  surferdave

“There are lies. There are damned lies. Then there are statistics.” ~Mark Twain (Probably a double agent, as in: Mark (my) Twin: double agent, doppelganger, note he attached himself to Nikola Tesla from 1890s on).

Be that as it may, I am here in a blue collar Walmart south of LA, and there are people competing furiously for toilet paper.

Just like our “elected” officials. (They have a 200 year head start, though.)

And all the above are $**t out of luck. Or, as FEMA would notate it, S.O.L.

I am wizened enough to remember the Cuban Missile Crisis, and not since then have I seen all this as such. My old man built a 40 foot deep bomb shelter, over night, in our driveway, and was featured on L.A. local CBS (See: BS) news. Even that made more sense than any of all this.

Our thanks to Herr Hopkins for channeling mostly all our inner voices, or those ones of more choice or sarcastic origins.

“This is the way the world ends, not with a bang but a whimper.” ~ T.S.E.

All that’s needed is a worldwide change of attitude.

Sanity, for example.

Don’t hold your breath. That won’t keep out the viruses, anyway.

Dave Hansell
Dave Hansell
Mar 15, 2020 10:41 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

Follow the money. If it was not this it would be something else pricking the financial bubble which is bursting around us as we speak.

Another $1.5 trillion printed out of thin air in a Country with a $22 trillion debt which has just committed approaching another $1 trillion for “defence” (read occupying military bases on most of the nation States of the planet).

This, on top of the largesse given in 2008 and since to Wall Street with Main Street left to pick up the tab.

We have not just a supply side problem but also a demand side problem as even national airlines look set to go under whilst the fairly sold “oil war” between SA and Russia will not only see the never made a dime $280 billion in debt Shale industry funded by junk pension bonds and oil industry public subsidies go under (so much for ‘energy independence) but put the final nail in the petro dollar scam leaving the US Dollar not only crashing in value but tanking an over in debted economy.

Stock up on supplies John, it’s going to get rough.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Mar 15, 2020 2:25 PM
Reply to  Dave Hansell

Thanks for adding some of the background economics, which illuminate.

As I always say, whenever channeling my anemic American side, “When the roughage gets going, the going gets rough!”

And, as my man the late great Joe Bageant, self-described “left-neck” from Winchester, Virginia (needless to say, one of a kind) wrote before his untimely exit Stage Left in 2011: “And don’t look now, but we’re into the Chinese loan shark for a wad.”

Agreed: stock up. It’s not only American asses, but The Fan itself that soon will be all brown.

And all the TP in the world won’t save us, though it will be worth more than the paper our money’s printed on!

Then…

John Ervin
John Ervin
Mar 15, 2020 2:51 PM
Reply to  Dave Hansell

Thanks for adding some of the background economics, which illuminate, Dave.

As I always say, when channeling my anemic American side, “When the roughage gets going, the going gets rough!”

And, as my man the late great Joe Bageant, self-described “left-neck” from Winchester, Virginia (needless to say, one of a kind) wrote before his untimely exit Stage Left in 2011: “And don’t look now, but we’re into the Chinese loan shark for a wad.”

Agreed: stock up. It’s not only American asses, but The Fan itself that soon will be all brown.

And all the TP in the world won’t save us, though it will be worth more than the paper our money’s printed on!

Then …

John Ervin
John Ervin
Mar 15, 2020 2:43 PM
Reply to  surferdave

As CJH and others have noted at this outlet, that 4% is pretty clearly spiked, like cheap punch.

Once you get past all the goosing, tweaking, and spiking of the stats, and filter them for über-geriatric demise, you’ll see that it’s just one more flu on the world’s pile, maybe a little more alarming than “the garden variety”, but nothing to collapse the global economy over, as your best option, or most hysterical.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Mar 15, 2020 2:47 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Not that i want one, but I’ll take my chances any day of March (or April) with bat flu, over world “leadership” gone batty. Hear me, people?

Gall
Gall
Mar 11, 2020 9:48 PM

You should really stop watching Netflix CJ unless it’s some family oriented series such as reruns of the Sons of Anarchy 🙂

Dave Hansell
Dave Hansell
Mar 11, 2020 9:13 PM

There was an old Andy Capp cartoon strip many years back which had Andy stood at the bar once again trying his self perceived charms on yet another young lady.

After bragging about his prowess in such matters the young lady came back with a devastating put down in the form of “Oh aye pet. Would that be talking about it or thinking about it.”

And that, I would suggest, is what we have here.

Because whilst every point made on this subject in offguardian is spot on, 100% accurate, totally valid etc the fundamental point is being missed that the amount of bullshit talk and induced panic is in inverse proportion to the practical action being carried out to deal with the issue. At least in the UK.

Firstly, the point needs to be made, and accepted, that the key practical issue here (at least for those concerned with practicalities rather than talking theory in an echo chamber) is not the number of cases in terms of a proportion of the population but the number of cases in terms of the the facilities available to deal with those cases.

This point is illustrated and put into sharp focus in this report from front line medical professionals in Italy:

https://www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-italy-doctors-tough-calls-survival/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

See also the Twitter thread rolled out in his link:

https://skwawkbox.org/2020/03/09/as-johnson-insists-europes-largest-spring-gathering-go-ahead-medics-chilling-account-reveals-italian-reality/

It’s also worth emphasising the point made in this report that the impact is not limited to the implied “coffin dodgers” who are being dismissed as a mere unfortunate statistic in this current narrative.

Reading this piece makes clear the impact on both the health system – cancelled operations affect the lives and quality of life of all age groups affected, from child leukemia treatment through to middle aged heart surgery – and the individual health professionals (along with their families) dealing with this.

To set some context I have seen claims that the number of Critical Care Beds in Italy exceeds that of the NHS. However, I’m unable to find whether this appertains to the NHS in England alone or whether it also includes Scotland, Wales and NI.

Point being that there is another equally valid narrative to this which argues that, as with the recent flooding problems in the UK, the PTB are not only totally incompetent and ill equipped to handle the multiple impacts of any outbreak they are also showing every sign of being totally sanguine (ie couldn’t give a shit) about that fact.

Like Andy Capp in the cartoon there is a lot of talking and thinking about it but little sign of practical effective action.

Leaving aside the point made in the above skwakbox article – which observes that less than twenty years ago the Cheltenham festival was cancelled due to the foot and mouth outbreak demonstrating the reality that as far as the PTB are concerned livestock are more valuable than voters – is it really too much to ask that consideration be given to the criminally incompetent and irresponsible attitude displayed by Johnson on behalf of the PTB?

No comment on the “don’t worry just take it on the chin” attitude? Or does that not fit a narrative?

For sure, as this link notes:

https://truepublica.org.uk/united-kingdom/covid-19-sweeping-powers-to-make-boris-johnson-as-powerful-as-chinas-president/

Johnson and the UK PTB are not averse to using this to their advantage – whether it’s burying other bad news issues or misusing power. However, that’s not the whole picture/story nor the only aspect of available narratives.

Watching yesterday’s news Conference:

https://youtu.be/T3RelwEq2yU

Does not exactly inspire confidence. Johnson looks shifty and way out of his depth here. Like Norman Wisdom trying to play the Godfather he looks more like Corporal Jones every day. A living example of the Peter Principle.

The underlying message of complete and utter ineptness was not just depressing it was scary. The point being made by the resident expert about making the right intervention at the right time was the exact opposite of the reality on the ground. As pointed out in the more recent offguardian article about the Spanish flu pandemic statistics the 500 million figure of affected populations is impossible to verify because there was no way to test everyone, or even sample for modelling purposes to obtain an extrapolated figure. It’s just conjured out of thin air and as a result all stats associated with it are effectively meaningless in terms of comparisons.

Point being that it’s all very well saying, as stated in the above clip of the press conference, just because someone has a sniffle does not mean they have the virus. That’s true as far as it goes. However, it’s also true that just because someone has a sniffle does not mean they don’t have the virus. You don’t know until you test. It’s calld science.

What this told us, or to be frank verified for us, is that the PTB have been negligently asleep at the wheel and have missed an opportunity to properly contain the spread of the virus.

Jonothan Arnott, who to be honest I’ve little time for, makes a valid point in a recent RT piece about the dilitory absence of practical effective protocols at UK airports over the past two weeks.

I can vouch for this as I was part of a Party of 38 people who landed at Heathrow on an Airbus at the begining of last week from a tour of India to find no checks whatsoever. People from multiple flights all over the world mingling en masse around the luggage bags who could have been carrying anything.

Well, I say could have. Because the concern was whether or not we would actually get back in the country given that some of us had cold like symptoms. I’ve been stuck indoors most of the past eight or nine days with a chesty cough and running nose whichcould be either a chest infection or the impact of the poor air quality?

Point being containment measures have been non existent and this matters because

A. there is no way of knowing how many carriers have got through.

B. Whether it fits any particular narrative or not; whether anyone likes it or not; even if only 1% of the population are affected there will be wider disruption. There are already staff shortages in the NHS as a result of the incompetence of the PTB running the Country. You don’t have to contract the virus to be affected either directly or indirectly as a family member from cancelled operations to free up beds.

Ditto for the overworked, under staffed and under funded health sector workers on any front lines along with their families.

Ditto for workers, many already on low paid zero hours or self employed franchise jobs who are already struggling financially as employers send them home on low or no sick pay. Yes, it might well be a panic reaction ( or not?) but that impact still exists. And those impacts exist as a direct result of incompetence.

Ditto in terms of knock on effects from disruption of supply chains dealing with everything from food to machine parts. Yes, the JIT Globalised capitalist system is insufficiently robust in such circumstances.

However, basic practical competency is about mitigating and minimising such disruptions to systems. And I’m afraid at least in the UK all the talk and panic is masking the reality that the PTB are not up to the job.

All talk, little in the way of practical effective action.

It would seem reasonable to observe that the narrative needs to focus more on what the headless chicken is failing to do rather than what it is skwaking about.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Mar 11, 2020 11:02 PM
Reply to  Dave Hansell

the PTB are not only incompetent and ill equipped to handle the multiple impacts of any outbreak they are also showing every sign of being totally sanguine (i.e. couldn’t give a shit)about that fact.

Dave

Could it be that their ‘laissez faire’ attitude is because their backs are covered whatever happens? Allow me to quote the following extracts from the UK’s flu pandemic contingency document which is the basis for their handling of a Covid19 pandemic.

Ethical principles of pandemic preparations [page 30]

3.17 In preparation for, and responding to, an [influenza] pandemic, governments, organisations and individuals will face difficult decisions and choices that may impact on the freedom, health and in some cases prospects of survival of individuals. Decisions will be needed on how to make the fairest use of resources and capacity, in proportion to the demands of the pandemic alongside other pressures that may be in place at the same time, in order to minimise the harm caused by the pandemic as a whole.

3.18 Given the potential level of additional demand, capacity limitations, staffing constraints and potential shortages of essential medical material, including medicines, hard choices and compromises may be particularly necessary in the fields of health and social care.

The document cross-refers to an ethical framework document which also contains provisions paving the way for the government to act in as ruthless or ‘sanguine’ way as it sees fit, clearly allowing them to quote chapter and verse from this document when they are asked in the future to justify their totally immoral stance in condemning some patients to an unnecessarily early death.

People’s choices about their treatment and care are very important. This does not mean that they are entitled to have treatment that those caring for them consider would not work or is not suitable for them. It may not be possible to provide all the treatment that people would like and that might benefit them. [my emphasis in case you missed this bit!]

Equal concern and respect is the fundamental principle that underpins the ethical framework. This means that:
everyone matters equally – but this does not mean that everyone is treated the same.

During a pandemic, the urgency of the situation may mean that it is not possible to consult widely (or indeed at all)

But treating people with respect means keeping them informed about what is happening and what is going to happen, as much as possible.

So there you have it. The government is justifying itself in advance of all the unnecessary and wilful deaths that might occur in a pandemic as a result of misappropriated funding and poor emergency preparedness. But, as long as the condemned patients and their families are informed of the decision to deny any treatment or care, that makes it ethically acceptable.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/responding-to-a-uk-flu-pandemic

Dave Hansell
Dave Hansell
Mar 12, 2020 9:39 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

Thanks for that JudyJ. At least someone else out there is actually paying attention rather than ignoring the underlying practical details in favour of click bait echo chamber narratives.

There were absolutely no protocols in place when we landed at Heathrow after a nine and half hour flight which would have provided an ideal incubator for spreading even a basic cold. And there were a few who were, let’s say, feeling and looking ‘under the weather’ as we say up North.

No checks, no tests, no separation. Zilch. People mingling together from flights all over the world with no systems in place to to deal with containment. Allowing onward travel and spread of a contagian throughout the country. Little wonder the fat owl of the Remove looked shifty at that press conference. He knows the containment phase has failed as a direct result of deliberate Government decisions and inaction.

Inaction which is likely to impact more severely on his own voter base. Expect Britain to grand slam the Darwin Awards for the forseeable future.

Anyone with a working brain cell does not need some fatuous talking head from the MSM to tell them to panic. You only have to look at the kind of detail you have provided or/and observe the absence of anywhere near adequate basic protocols never mind systems wide responses to know things are going to go pear shaped for the average citizen/subject.

As you aptly and succinctly demonstrate the devil is always in the detail. A fact which some people need to wake up to and smell the coffee rather than being complacent.

In the words of Moist Von-Lipwig “you have to keep running. You never know whose catching up.”

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 11, 2020 11:04 PM
Reply to  Dave Hansell

‘Norman Wisdom trying to play The Godfather’ is priceless. The PTB in the Glorious West are only up to the jobs of killing, looting and lying.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Mar 14, 2020 8:25 PM

Yep, that would seem to be the most apt job description, more and more so.

This has been a cautionary tale from God or fate to expose the weak links in their privilege.

They have to breathe, too, unless they are vampires, which has not been ruled out, like some mere mortal flu.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Mar 14, 2020 8:40 PM
Reply to  Dave Hansell

Amen to that too. They print these banner headlines like so many rugs under which the real issues are swept and ignored.

“Not reporting the key issues is another word for lying.” ~Michael Parenti

crank
crank
Mar 11, 2020 8:17 PM

Ha ha ha it’s all just funny, a hoaxed up, ramped up hysteria like all the others…right ?

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Mar 11, 2020 8:10 PM

The “2020 panic paper pandemic” originating in China, but whose original origins is still mysterious happens to be one crisis not blamed on Putin, a highly suspicious phenomena in itself. China, however, provides a more convincing source to initiate a contagion. A society veiled in secrecy where “strange strains” can grow unchecked.

Nevertheless, the actual virulent strain in question is not actually biological, but sociological in nature.

It hasn’t just been Marxists analyzing worldwide social unrest, the intelligence agencies are also assessing this mess. It doesn’t take a virologist nor a microscope to know three decades of neoliberalism is responsible for this “Oh No!”

What to do; what to do — how to cure the incurable. It’s obvious– design a biological remedy. IARPA consulted DARPA and the panic paper pandemic was just what the doctors ordered.

The prescription is precise–create controlled panic. Demographically test its limits,
see how far it can be taken. Intensify the panic by tightening the screws a bit more each day. Deploy the reliable Goebbel mainstream media operatives–there’s nothing more effective then well-trained thespians. They should never be underrated.

What a boom to test billions. It’s unimaginable what can be gleaned. In any event, it’ll be two more weeks before the full impact of the panic paper pandemic hits the US shitfan.

Smartphone detards never experienced a panic paper pandemic. Can these dunces cope? Will they passively use water bottles to clean their butts. A true test of social control.

Stay tuned for more hysteria, it’s far from over. The test has only just begun.

Jack_Garbo
Jack_Garbo
Mar 11, 2020 8:47 PM

“Original origins”? So this is satire?
Surely, “a highly suspicious phenomenon in itself…
Enough.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Mar 11, 2020 9:09 PM
Reply to  Jack_Garbo

The most serious things are said in jest.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Mar 14, 2020 8:30 PM

Nice. Your overview makes the most sense of any I’ve read, all things being equal, it all rings true.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Mar 11, 2020 6:20 PM

(“perhaps this Bat Flu panic stems from a deeper ideological source. Maybe it has less to do with politics, and more to do with our fascistic pursuit of “perfect health” and “perfect bodies,” and our fear and hatred of ageing and dying, and our narcissistic obsession with ourselves, and our total disconnection from the cycle of life.”)

– that is so uncomfortably close to the truth C.J. that it makes me want to go out and frantically buy more toilet paper to hoard!

Jack_Garbo
Jack_Garbo
Mar 11, 2020 8:50 PM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

Yep. There’s an ugly rumor going around: we all eventually die! Don’t know who started it but when I catch him he’s dead!

Gall
Gall
Mar 11, 2020 9:44 PM
Reply to  Jack_Garbo

He’s probably hiding out in an Airstream Trailer on the Mohave 🙂

John Ervin
John Ervin
Mar 14, 2020 8:32 PM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

You’re too late. We got it ALL. And we’ll defend it with our lives.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Mar 11, 2020 6:14 PM

Even if the disease isn’t that serious and its danger is much overblown its still can teach us a lot about how we detect, track and manage epidemics. We’ve tended to treat this subject — and public health in general — as ‘someone else’s problem’, out of sight and out of mind until some specific outbreak bothers us. The result is a patchwork of different levels of reaction with a country’s specific response more rooted in prejudice and politics than science. We’ll learn a lot form this and maybe use the information to forward plan for other problems — epidemics, certainly, but maybe even issues such as global warming and resource depletion.

accuracy
accuracy
Mar 11, 2020 7:12 PM
Reply to  Martin Usher

“use the information to forward plan for other problems”
Probably you mean, plans to prevent and deal with new arising problems but rest assured .. those actors with unlimited budget (a trillion a year?) are in a permanent mode of learning, planning and executing plans for creating new problems .. and .. making it look it is not their problem!

paul
paul
Mar 11, 2020 3:48 PM

Weinstein has just got 23 years for rape.
Maybe they’ve got a spare cell for Randy Andy.
Have to see if Alex Salmond gets off.

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 12, 2020 7:09 AM
Reply to  paul

— the same way we had to see if Julian Assange got off?

Craig Murray — The Alex Salmond Trial

So here we have four women, Women H, G, J, and A, all of their identities kept secret because they are all accusers of Alex Salmond, all of them in very close circle within the current SNP leadership. They are in touch with each other and with Ian McCann. Woman H has given the SNP details of a serious criminal allegation against Alex Salmond with the stated intention that it should be used in vetting to prevent him being an SNP candidate again. She is discussing with some or all of the others how they can make allegations and stay anonymous. The official response from SNP HQ is that they will hold on to the allegations hoping they will “not need to deploy them.”

Witness H is specifically asked against what eventuality the party was sitting on the allegation, and she replied explicitly for vetting – ie to prevent Alex Salmond standing for parliament again. Sitting on allegations of an extremely serious criminal offence, in case you have to deploy them – why? for the political purpose of preventing an Alex Salmond comeback – is a very strange way indeed to deal with a criminal matter. Attempted rape is far more serious than that. If it is true, this is a gross insult to victims of sexual violence everywhere.

I repeat again, in the interests of my not going to jail. None of this in any way reflects on the truth or otherwise of the alleged assault itself. The above is all perfectly possible if based on a real, or based on a fabricated assault. I am not commenting on Ms H’s credibility. That would be illegal. I am commenting on the interesting fact of the SNP staff and the accusers sitting on allegations with the intention of deploying them, specifically only if necessary, to end Alex Salmond’s political career. The idea that attempted rape could be an insurance against an Alex Salmond comeback – an idea into which SNP HQ were fully bought in. Indeed it was SNP HQ who expressed it that way.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 12, 2020 7:53 AM
Reply to  milosevic

The feminazis are such sweet-hearts, aren’t they.

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 12, 2020 3:15 PM

Worse than the climate cultists. 🙂 Sorry Richard, just having a chuckle.

paul
paul
Mar 12, 2020 6:43 PM
Reply to  milosevic

I don’t know if old Alex is a sex fiend or not.
Obviously some cases are genuine.
Hopefully, unlike Julian Assange, he’ll get a fair trial.
But it’s not beyond the bounds of possibility that these were Assange style sex allegations to sabotage Scottish independence.

Metoo excesses may work against the interests of women.
Some of the leading lights of that movement said they didn’t mind if men’s lives were ruined by false allegations. They were just collateral damage for the greater good. And they were only men, after all, and all men are rapists anyway.

But even men are some woman’s son, brother, or husband.

And many men, at risk of losing their job for “looking at someone in a sexist way” or “coughing in a sexist way”, are understandably reluctant to sign up for Hermione’s agenda.
To the extent of not wanting to work with women, train women, mentor women, talk to women, or even look at women, because it just isn’t worth it.

Torontonian
Torontonian
Mar 11, 2020 1:54 PM

Fabulous! Thanks for a great piece and a good laugh. I especially loved the paragraph

OK, take this with a grain of salt, because it’s probably just my fever talking, but sometimes I get this crazy notion that we human beings aren’t actually the Primary Purpose of the Entire Universe, or the Apotheosis of Creation, or whatever, and that it’s natural for some of us to get sick and die, and that every last single disease and health threat doesn’t need to be utterly eradicated, and life doesn’t need to be rendered “safe.”

Exactly who do we think we are? we destroy the earth, try to make everything linear and controllable– what could go wrong? Brilliant🥰

accuracy
accuracy
Mar 11, 2020 1:08 PM

Who said this?

So I think one of the – what I’ve always believed – one of the strongest ways to change mindset and be able to raise consciousness and be able to create self-awareness among people, is to challenge the media and say you have a responsibility and you are accountable for everything you are feeding people because you are brainwashing people

– Henry Windsor a.k.a. Prince Harry.

If this is what he believes, and he is saying he always believed that .. then he should stand together with Roger Waters in the fight against the media on various issues and in supporting Julian Assange.

wardropper
wardropper
Mar 11, 2020 4:42 PM
Reply to  accuracy

A nice thought that he might support Assange. His family would never want to see him again, of course, but that would probably be a win/win situation for him – and maybe us.
Some extremely naughty children do grow up into truly inspiring adults. Perhaps Harry is one of them.
It will be no surprise to my colleagues here that I am not holding my breath.

accuracy
accuracy
Mar 11, 2020 9:36 PM
Reply to  wardropper

“His family would never want to see him again”

There is an impossibility about this proposition as he is plastered on the front pages in the media almost daily.

clickkid
clickkid
Mar 11, 2020 12:48 PM

“Chinese webizens are turning to ever more inventive methods to evade online censorship and spread the first-hand account of a Wuhan physician on the frontline of tackling Covid-19, writing it backwards, translating it into English, and even producing a Braille Version”
…..
“and then moved on to more inventive ways of obfuscating the text, including translations into Braille, Morse Code, English and Emoji.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/11/coronavirus-update-live-news-uk-health-minister-italy-lockdown-australia-us-china-stock-markets-outbreak-latest-updates

Maybe we could try that in the Guardian’s comments?

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 11, 2020 12:40 PM

It all seems a little out of proportion to the actual threat we’re facing here, not to mention rather conveniently timed, in light of what’s happening around the world, politically, what with…”

Unfortunately, it’s not. Despite all the favourite whatifs of this echochamber. But it’s “not” in a way that finds no favour in these parts, so just sayin’.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 11, 2020 12:31 PM

“It’s a particularly annoying flu this year. You get it, recover from it, then you get it again. All you want to do is crawl into bed, or sit around watching garbage on Netflix.”

It’s an ill wind that blows no good. Getting the worst flu I’ve ever had, then–several decades ago– or since, is what gave me the long break I needed to stop smoking: just couldn’t for a whole couple of weeks. Eight years of false starts consummated.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 11, 2020 10:49 AM

I’m sorry you have the flu CJ, and despite this, you got out another fine peice of writing for us to ponder.
Again, today, I witnessed the dunny paper madness descend.
I was outside a supermarket in a suburban Melbourne shopping centre flogging the mag, and word came thru this supermarket had received another shipment of toilet paper.
People came from all directions – some even went back to their car with one lot, put on a different coloured top, and went back into the supermarket for a second lot of loo paper.
For over half an hour, every single person that left that supermarket had an 8 pack of toilet paper. As I said, I saw people go in again for a second lot.
My exasperated ‘it’s made in Australia for gods sakes’ and ‘how much do you need’ were studiously ignored. I felt both exasperation and despair at what I was witnessing, and left.
As I said a few days ago – what will these same people do when the economic crash comes? How will they get their toilet paper or cereal or bread then?
It’ll be every man and woman for themselves. With violence dished out if needs be. Just like in the video you posted, also here in Australia.
Italy is now in lockdown. I wonder how long it’ll be before much of Australia is in lockdown also? Or the United States?
For your flu, have you tried 2 shots of whiskey warmed up with the juice of a lemon and a dessertspoon of honey? Mix well. It may help…

Alan Tench
Alan Tench
Mar 11, 2020 11:57 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

But you won’t have a problem is Aus – it’s summer! Seems like most of your cases are people who came from places like Italy and Iran. At least, that’s what Wikipedia says, haha.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_Australia

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 11, 2020 12:23 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

Hmmm, Where’s that Wikipedia article from a few ago? Disinformation operation something.
Noted your interesting comments on that article Alan. I only look at Wikipedia if it’s things like food or geographical regions or sports or dog breeds, etc.
Things to do with politics or history, I don’t go there. Period.
It’s actually autumn in Aussie now, and winter is coming….

Alan Tench
Alan Tench
Mar 11, 2020 12:35 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Well, summer until 20th March, then a whole three months of autumn – let’s think positive 🙂 It’s interesting to look at the infection rates per country (sorry, Wikipedia again). There’s very little in the Southern Hemisphere.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 11, 2020 11:12 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

The seasons are different here. The blackfellas reckon on six to eight, depending on where you live, but that was before the climate started rapidly destabilising. Now, no two succeeding years are alike.

Torontonian
Torontonian
Mar 11, 2020 1:57 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Exactly– Wikipedia is just another arm of narrative control. Never trust it except (and heh this may change) for things like you gave as examples.

wardropper
wardropper
Mar 11, 2020 10:23 PM
Reply to  Torontonian

It has to be said that is damn good for some things.
I looked up “vibrato” in a musical context recently, and Wp was extremely informative and thorough. But it’s like everything else today, and what used to be a gentleman’s agreement when I was younger (“never discuss politics, religion or sex in polite company”) is rapidly becoming the law…

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 11, 2020 12:56 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

I habitually buy toilet paper 32 rolls at a time. It’s bulky, relatively light and even just one pack crowds out a shopping basket when it has become an urgent necessity and you’re trying to get through the weekly shop in one hit. So the interim answer is to do a bulk run on toilet paper alone whenever it’s low and the moment is oppotune. Even though the real answer is a bidet. Dreamt of having a bidet from when it was perfectly possible until now when the thought of having all those half bare butts wandering around in muddy boots and tearing up floorboards is a nightmare. Current plan is a toilet paper lined casket.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 11, 2020 8:49 PM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Casket? Biodegradable? Well, you’ll be doing your bit to help the environment Rob… But, have you considered how desperate people will become?
You know, graverobbers?

JudyJ
JudyJ
Mar 11, 2020 3:20 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Gezzah

Toilet paper!

I have just come back from my routine fortnightly supermarket spree. Top of my shopping list, which I started to compile immediately after my last shopping trip, coincidentally happened to be toilet rolls. The mega big supermarket had seriously bare shelves where toilet rolls, tinned tomatoes, bread flour (I didn’t think to check the yeast!), oven bake bread rolls, rice, pasta and cleaning products used to be. Of surprise to me, from my random observations, was that baked beans, cereals, wine and toothpaste didn’t appear to have been on the radar for panic buyers.

But I digress. Back to toilet rolls. There were a couple of solitary 24 packs which had presumably been put there this morning by store staff in an effort to discourage stockpiling but without suggesting that they had no supplies…probably stacks of the stuff hidden away somewhere. But, you know what. Even though it was on my shopping list, I could not bring myself to lay claim to one of these packs. I looked furtively at the remaining packs but my self-pride and principles forbade it. Don’t get the wrong idea, I, thankfully, do still have enough to get by. But the last thing I wanted was to be perceived as a panic buyer by fellow shoppers and shop staff when that wasn’t my motive.

There are other items which are undoubtedly more embarrassing to be seen picking up but who would have thought the day would come when toilet rolls were on that list? So I walked away with my head held high, and knowing that I could get back to the car without being mugged. I may of course live to regret that decision. 😀

J.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 11, 2020 8:36 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

I have 2 rolls at home. And I’m certainly not panicking! In fact, trying to ignore any media reports on Covid19 (except for the story on Italy yesterday)
Plenty of food in my cupboards including sardines, baked beans, pasta, and, er, chocolate! ( this also can be used as an anti depressant!)
But observing other people, and how they’re reacting to this deluge of fear porn, and started thinking yesterday:
How many of these same people have wilfully turned their backs on Julian Assange and denounce him as a rapist or ‘traitor’ whenever someone mentions his name? Groupthink en masse.
Cheers Judy…

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 11, 2020 11:14 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Stone (a pebble, of course) plus water, like the Indians do. Then wash hands. Simples.

paul
paul
Mar 11, 2020 3:52 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

How will they get their toilet paper when the crash comes?
Could always recycle the Guardian if it’s still being printed.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 11, 2020 8:26 PM
Reply to  paul

I’ve been thinking the same thing myself… About what it deserves, either that or kitty litter.

kevin morris
kevin morris
Mar 11, 2020 10:20 AM

During the great Spanish Flu pandemic of 1917-21, troops travelling on ships between the US and Europe died in prodigious numbers and were simply thrown overboard without ceremony. Back then, homoeopathy was officially accepted and many of the doctors travelling with troops were homoeopaths. Being ‘official’ homoeopathic doctors practising in the US had to make returns on mortalities to local Health Boards. The mortality of patients treated homoeopathically was around two percent whilst mortality for those treated allopathically was around 37 percent. One homoeopthic doctor who accompanied troops on their transatlantic crossing proudly reported that not one soldier was lost.

Homoeopathy has a long track record of successfully treating epidemics. Both Russian and British cholera outbreaks in the nineteenth century when treated homoeopathically had much lower mortality than conventional treatments. Following the war in Bangladesh, India published figures for mortality and cost of treatment for homoeopathic and conventional treatment of cholera. Homoeopathic treatment cost a fraction of conventional treatments and mortality was much lower.

In Cuba, the revolutionary government has turned to homoeopathy to prevent the annual leptospirosis epidemic that follows hurricanes. The prophylactic homoeopathic treatment is highly effective and costs a small fraction of what vaccination would.

Already, homoeopaths in Hong Kong have published the names of remedies most likely successfully to treat this particular corona virus. An eminent Indian homoeopath has published the name of the one remedy he believes will be effective prophylactcally – bryonia. Whatever the cause for this outbreak, be it the passing of a virus endemic amongst bats to humans, or whether as the Chinese claim- it was engineered by the US to destabilise China, or whether indeed it was manufactured by China in order to clean up on the manufacture and mass marketing of a vaccine, it is certain that this virus will not spare the sneerers or those of moral superiority any more than it will spare any other group in society. We owe it to ourselves to protect ourselves and our loved ones.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 11, 2020 1:04 PM
Reply to  kevin morris

Roughly 33% of all allopathic cures turn out to be useless or have significant iatrogenic downsides. Same for all psychiatric therapies including psychoanalysis. But that doesn’t make witchcraft any more effective.

kevin morris
kevin morris
Mar 11, 2020 1:29 PM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Well said, but only 33 percent? Given the fact that no chronic illness is successfully treated by conventional medicine, I would put the percentage well over fifty percent. Only trauma is relatively well treated by conventional medicine, but even here, provided surgery isn’t required, the homoeopathic alternative will usually prove superior and much less costly.

Incidentally, according to recent figures, if the costs of conventional medical treatment continue to escalate, it is claimed that the US health system will soon consume the entire US gross domestic product

Torontonian
Torontonian
Mar 11, 2020 1:59 PM
Reply to  kevin morris

Its not. For eg. flu vaccines regularly run between 15-25% efficacy in any one year. Sometimes much less.

kevin morris
kevin morris
Mar 11, 2020 9:00 PM
Reply to  Torontonian

According to the Cochrane Collaboration, flu jabs for at risk categories are ‘at best’ one percent effective.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 12, 2020 7:56 AM
Reply to  kevin morris

It is a well-known phenomenon in nursing homes, here and in the UK at least, that after the flu shots, the inmates in greater numbers than before, go doolally. Probably the aluminium or mercuric preservatives, or the adjuvants.

Torontonian
Torontonian
Mar 11, 2020 1:58 PM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Tell me about your witchcraft?

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 13, 2020 11:36 AM
Reply to  Torontonian

“Tell me about your witchcraft?”

Ungrounded (en)light(e)ning.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Mar 15, 2020 4:18 AM
Reply to  kevin morris

Oil of oregano, and the right protocols, would prevent almost all these cases, and abbreviate all the onsets at the start.

Amarka
Amarka
Mar 11, 2020 9:59 AM

George Carlin: they’re coming for your Social Security

Amarka
Amarka
Mar 11, 2020 9:59 AM

The US Centre for Disease Control says –

Treatment for common human coronaviruses

There is no vaccine to protect you against human coronaviruses and there are no specific treatments for illnesses caused by human coronaviruses. Most people with common human coronavirus illness will recover on their own. However, to relieve your symptoms you can:

take pain and fever medications (Caution: do not give aspirin to children)
use a room humidifier or take a hot shower to help ease
a sore throat and cough
drink plenty of liquids
stay home and rest

If you are concerned about your symptoms, contact your healthcare provider.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/general-information.html

iskratov
iskratov
Mar 11, 2020 4:22 PM
Reply to  Amarka

clickkid
clickkid
Mar 11, 2020 10:52 AM
Reply to  Grafter

Great link! Thanks!

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 11, 2020 1:14 PM
Reply to  Grafter

https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-geopolitical-deployment-of-biological-weapons/5703005

In relation to Wuhan and other Chinese holy sites, they don’t like that sort of talk around here. But that one, aimed primarily at Merkin indiscretions should hit a sweet spot audiowise… wise… wse… ws… s…

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 12, 2020 7:59 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

US use of biowarfare, from the days of deliberately spreading small-pox among the Indigenous, is gargantuan, but utterly unmentionable.

accuracy
accuracy
Mar 11, 2020 9:43 AM

China, Iran, Italy?

Who doesn’t like the Silk Road? Who doesn’t like Iran?

Who thinks hundreds of thousands of -innocent- casualties, and even millions, are “worth it”

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 11, 2020 10:03 AM
Reply to  accuracy

oooh, oooh! I know!

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 11, 2020 11:10 AM
Reply to  milosevic

Alright then, in this clip may’ve looked like your average suburban housewife, but with that one sentence, she showed the entire World the true face of the United States.
That of pure, unmitigated evil.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 11, 2020 1:21 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

“…the true face of the United States.
That of pure, unmitigated evil.”

Ah, the United States of America. To where God banished Satan. Only goes to show His eternal omipotence. Well OK, and the Lodge for holidays. How did He know all this geostuff so back then?

Torontonian
Torontonian
Mar 11, 2020 2:00 PM
Reply to  milosevic

This woman is evil incarnate

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 11, 2020 3:03 PM
Reply to  Torontonian

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 12, 2020 8:02 AM
Reply to  milosevic

Female demons are rife in the US power elite. Albright, Clinton, the Rices, Powers, Slaughter, Pelosi, etc, succubi all.

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 11, 2020 4:59 PM
Reply to  milosevic

And she had the nerve to write a book called “Fascism – A Warning”.

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 12, 2020 6:30 AM
Reply to  George Mc

— who better to write a book, than an expert practitioner?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 12, 2020 8:00 AM
Reply to  milosevic

Always reminds me of Davros, without the charm.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 12, 2020 7:59 AM
Reply to  accuracy

A religious duty, in fact.

Amarka
Amarka
Mar 11, 2020 9:19 AM

The Corona virus is just as much a hoax as the Holocaust.

6.000.000 x say 3 hours cremation time = how many hundreds of years and according to one Jewish encyclopedia there were only 4.5 million Jews in the whole of Europe before the war started. And remember if Germany were to somehow cremate 6.000.000 they only had a 2.5 year time frame to do it in and had a severe shortage of fuel.

Amarka
Amarka
Mar 11, 2020 11:24 AM
Reply to  Amarka

For those who follow Jewish stuff – 400

Tav (also spelled Taw) is the twenty-second and final letter of the Hebrew alphabet
Numerical value: 400
Sound: “T” with a dagesh (dot) and “S” without (among Ashkenazim)
Meaning 1. Truth 2. sign 3. life or death

“……….The actual meaning of tav is “sign.” In Ezekiel21 it states that when G-d was about to destroy the Holy Temple he told His angel to put a mark on the foreheads of the people. That mark was the letter tav. Those who were righteous received the letter in ink. Those who were wicked received the letter in blood.

The tav can represent ticheyeh, which means “life.” But it can also represent the word tamus, which means “death.” Tav’s meaning as “sign” thus remains consistent with the dichoto­mous nature of its gematria, four hundred, having both a posi­tive and negative aspect (i.e., the four hundred spiritual worlds of pleasure vs. the four hundred men of Esau). And because the tav is the last letter of the alef-beis, this duality takes on a special importance. The tav, coming at the end of the twenty-two letters of the alef-beis with all of their ramifications and meanings on both the revealed and esoteric levels—could all too easily become overconfident: “I finished the entire set of letters. I accomplished what every letter stands for. Look how perfect I am.”

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/137287/jewish/Tav.htm

THE END IS NIGH? – 400 = Death of Babylon according to Ezekiel 21.

Amarka
Amarka
Mar 11, 2020 11:26 AM
Reply to  Amarka

The Coronavirus Really is “Novel” — Wuhan-400

This really is crazy. Myriad stories from around the world contain 400 or 400k, indicating that there appears to be a script being followed. Video.

Read the post

http://www.renegadetribune.com/the-coronavirus-really-is-novel-wuhan-400/

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 11, 2020 1:30 PM
Reply to  Amarka

“G-d”

G-lly. Even unto the Proto-Germans.

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
Mar 11, 2020 12:56 PM
Reply to  Amarka

You can cremate more than one body at the same time.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 11, 2020 2:13 PM
Reply to  Amarka

Once upon a very, very long time ago, back when I was more media than man, my agent found me some scripting work for an Israeli who was into Holocaust promotion. So I went along to The Ritz, where he was staying, and in his room–where we partook of the famous Ritz tea on room service–he unrolled, amongst other documentation, many large, remarkably pristine, detailed construction plans for the Nazi’s gas ovens. We agreed I’d write an initial, very brief scenario for the documentary he had in mind and report back with it at exactly 9:00 am the following Monday morning. I set the alarm clock to allow for plenty of time but arrived at the Golders Green station to find some problem was causing very long delays. With a lot of panicked effort and ingenuity I arrived at his door at exactly 9:05 (without the delay I would have been in the lobby at least 15 minutes early). He opened the door in a furious mood, informed me I was 5 minutes late, took the scenario, told me he would not tolerate careless behaviour, handed me an envelope that I later found contained the full agreed initial fee, and closed the door in my face. Apart from “Sorry I’m late, there was an unexpected long delay on the tube, but I found another way here. I’ve finished a first draft.” I had said nothing else throughout. When I thought about it I realized that, on our first meeting, I probably should have paid more attention to the fresh shaving cut on his upper lip where his little moustache had previously resided.

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
Mar 11, 2020 3:39 PM
Reply to  Amarka

While it’s obviously fine to question everything, certain awareness has to be given to the significance & divisiveness of an issue before one can broach it respectfully. I don’t feel you are doing this, nor have you provided any sources to back up your rather crude conjecture.

This in turn opens the doorway to openly racist and hateful remarks.

I need not also point out, this is wildly off topic.

Please read our Comment Policy for guidelines. This thread has been closed now.

adfasd
adfasd
Mar 11, 2020 8:56 AM

Another Trumpist comparing it to the regular flu without any grasp of how real this threat is. But hey, it’s OG, what else can I expect?

Oh yeah, it’s a plot to get Trump.

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 11, 2020 10:50 AM
Reply to  adfasd

— these disinfo trolls are like a broken record. Do they really pay you for this?

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 11, 2020 5:02 PM
Reply to  adfasd

adfasd = “another dribbling fool asserting stupid diversions”

Willem
Willem
Mar 11, 2020 8:29 AM

The toilet roll crisis is the unconscious answer of the silent majority that they see that this bat flu scare produces lots and lots of bullshit.

If only they would become conscious

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 11, 2020 11:18 AM
Reply to  Willem

If there is hope, wrote Winston, it lies in the proles.

If there was hope, it must lie in the proles, because only there in those swarming disregarded masses, 85 per cent of the population of Oceania, could the force to destroy the Party ever be generated. The Party could not be overthrown from within. Its enemies, if it had any enemies, had no way of coming together or even of identifying one another. Even if the legendary Brotherhood existed, as just possibly it might, it was inconceivable that its members could ever assemble in larger numbers than twos and threes. Rebellion meant a look in the eyes, an inflexion of the voice, at the most, an occasional whispered word. But the proles, if only they could somehow become conscious of their own strength. would have no need to conspire. They needed only to rise up and shake themselves like a horse shaking off flies. If they chose they could blow the Party to pieces tomorrow morning. Surely sooner or later it must occur to them to do it? And yet—!

He wrote: “Until they become conscious they will never rebel, and until after they have rebelled they cannot become conscious.”

https://orwell.ru/library/novels/1984/english/en_p_1

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 11, 2020 11:22 AM
Reply to  milosevic

It need hardly be said that the subtlest practitioners of doublethink are those who invented doublethink and know that it is a vast system of mental cheating. In our society, those who have the best knowledge of what is happening are also those who are furthest from seeing the world as it is. In general, the greater the understanding, the greater the delusion; the more intelligent, the less sane. One clear illustration of this is the fact that war hysteria increases in intensity as one rises in the social scale. Those whose attitude towards the war is most nearly rational are the subject peoples of the disputed territories. To these people the war is simply a continuous calamity which sweeps to and fro over their bodies like a tidal wave. Which side is winning is a matter of complete indifference to them. They are aware that a change of overlordship means simply that they will be doing the same work as before for new masters who treat them in the same manner as the old ones. The slightly more favoured workers whom we call ‘the proles’ are only intermittently conscious of the war. When it is necessary they can be prodded into frenzies of fear and hatred, but when left to themselves they are capable of forgetting for long periods that the war is happening. It is in the ranks of the Party, and above all of the Inner Party, that the true war enthusiasm is found. World-conquest is believed in most firmly by those who know it to be impossible. This peculiar linking-together of opposites — knowledge with ignorance, cynicism with fanaticism — is one of the chief distinguishing marks of Oceanic society.

https://orwell.ru/library/novels/1984/english/en_p_2

clickkid
clickkid
Mar 11, 2020 12:53 PM
Reply to  milosevic

Thanks!

Every time one dips into Orwell’s great work one finds something else that is uncannily applicable to the present day.

Tutisicecream
Tutisicecream
Mar 11, 2020 8:17 AM

The toilet roll crisis has been seriously exaggerated CJ by the fact there isn’t any quality newspaper to wipe your derrière on anymore…

Amarka
Amarka
Mar 11, 2020 8:15 AM

Hmmmm 5G is set up and going in Wuhan.

“……………… the body resonates at a frequency between 62 to 72 Hz when healthy . As the frequency drops due to environmental and physiological factors, our immune system is compromised and disease is more apt to develop.

The application of using frequencies to heal the body had already been suggested by the American inventor Nikola Tesla (1856 – 1943) who pioneered electrical technology. He said,

“If you could eliminate certain outside frequencies that interfered with our bodies, we would have
greater resistance toward disease.”

https://medium.com/meducated-org/how-to-heal-your-body-by-using-the-frequency-of-life-9307af550fbb

Why Is the US Apparently Not Testing for the COVID-19 Coronavirus?

By Larry Romanoff, March 06, 2020

The CDC produced a series of test kits that produced wildly random results, positive or negative, followed by instructions to discard the test kits as unreliable. (1) Several U.S. states said the new coronavirus test kits did not work, while others said they were totally unreliable. (2) New York City reported the government-issued tests are faulty and “cannot be relied upon to provide an accurate result”. Those faulty kits were also shipped all over the world, but to my knowledge the CDC have relayed that information to no one outside the US.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/why-us-apparently-not-testing-covid-19-coronavirus/5705721

adfasd
adfasd
Mar 11, 2020 8:58 AM
Reply to  Amarka

You just have to be kidding me. Is this what Qjerkwad is saying?

adfasd
adfasd
Mar 11, 2020 10:21 AM
Reply to  adfasd

In retrospect my comment wasn’t fair. My “Qjerkwad” remark was triggered by having seen the mention of 5G as being the real reason for the sickness not a virus by QAnon Trumpists.

The globalresearch article on the other hand is valid. Swamp monster Trump wanted to make sure profits could be made out of this misery by himself or other swamp creatures.

To qualify, the DNC is made up of swamp creatures in my opinion. I know, I know I’m not your typical Trump basher.

austrian peter
austrian peter
Mar 11, 2020 7:59 AM

Don’t forget that it is our rulers who are in control of all the MSM, corporations and government. What they say goes and if they say ‘panic’ so shall it be. Event 201 was meant to reassure The Deep State that releasing the Covid-19 would kill few people but have a high infection rate and be persistent. This was to be released to cover for the coming global financial crisis and reset due this year as well as destroy Trump’s chances of re-election. Further reinforcing the globalist’s goal of global government and centralised social, financial and economic levers.

As it transpires that Covid-19 now attacks >65 year olds with a 15%+ kill rate, our Rulers are panicking – we already see some of our leaders dying already – and it has only just started. This is why they are inducing panic in the hope of limiting its spread.

clickkid
clickkid
Mar 11, 2020 9:30 AM
Reply to  austrian peter

When the shit hits the fan many people who thought they were in the Inner Party find out that they are only in the Outer Party. Many of those who thought they were in the Outer Party discover that they are mere proles.

austrian peter
austrian peter
Mar 11, 2020 10:16 AM
Reply to  clickkid

Very Good thank you clickkid 🙂

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 11, 2020 11:57 AM
Reply to  clickkid

It is true that our society is stratified, and very rigidly stratified, on what at first sight appear to be hereditary lines. There is far less to-and-fro movement between the different groups than happened under capitalism or even in the pre-industrial age. Between the two branches of the Party there is a certain amount of interchange, but only so much as will ensure that weaklings are excluded from the Inner Party and that ambitious members of the Outer Party are made harmless by allowing them to rise. Proletarians, in practice, are not allowed to graduate into the Party. The most gifted among them, who might possibly become nuclei of discontent, are simply marked down by the Thought Police and eliminated. But this state of affairs is not necessarily permanent, nor is it a matter of principle. The Party is not a class in the old sense of the word. It does not aim at transmitting power to its own children, as such; and if there were no other way of keeping the ablest people at the top, it would be perfectly prepared to recruit an entire new generation from the ranks of the proletariat. In the crucial years, the fact that the Party was not a hereditary body did a great deal to neutralize opposition. The older kind of Socialist, who had been trained to fight against something called ‘class privilege’ assumed that what is not hereditary cannot be permanent. He did not see that the continuity of an oligarchy need not be physical, nor did he pause to reflect that hereditary aristocracies have always been shortlived, whereas adoptive organizations such as the Catholic Church have sometimes lasted for hundreds or thousands of years. The essence of oligarchical rule is not father-to-son inheritance, but the persistence of a certain world-view and a certain way of life, imposed by the dead upon the living. A ruling group is a ruling group so long as it can nominate its successors. The Party is not concerned with perpetuating its blood but with perpetuating itself. Who wields power is not important, provided that the hierarchical structure remains always the same.

https://orwell.ru/library/novels/1984/english/en_p_2

MLS
MLS
Mar 11, 2020 11:17 AM
Reply to  austrian peter

It does not ‘attack >65 yr old with a 15% kill rate’. The rate goes to 14% at age 80, with co0morbibities. The rate for 60-somethings is something like 2%.

austrian peter
austrian peter
Mar 11, 2020 4:06 PM
Reply to  MLS

Can you quote statistics? This is a reliable source:
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/what-older-people-with-chronic-conditions-need-to-know-about-covid-19#Most-people-wont-need-masks

It is all very tentative at present due to lack of a reasonable spread of patients.

iskratov
iskratov
Mar 11, 2020 7:49 AM

it is not a simple flu, it is a virus produced in the laboratory for bacteriological warfare; dr. Li, the first to raise the alarm that the virus was not that of a normal flu, was heavily censored by Chinese power and police, then died of having contracted the virus in turn, and was finally recognized the fact that he was right. He was, I think 36 years old. Now it is not known whether the virus got out of hand to insiders, there in Wuhan, or if it was brought there by American or Israeli agents. The sure thing is that it is a virus studied in the laboratory: they have potentiated the SARS virus, so as to make it very aggressive, for a future betteriological war. It has a very high contagion power …http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/53001.htm?fbclid=IwAR0lhFA3NutAU5SeyaCUzRq9M_FCxIpCqb_JyM71mokzFmOfQrjW9ouQmTI

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 11, 2020 2:45 PM
Reply to  iskratov

“dr. Li, the first to raise the alarm that the virus was not that of a normal flu”

Dr Li raised the fact of a cluster of pneumonia cases in the hospital he worked being placed into quaratine (and so wondering if it was a recurrence of SARS) in a private WeChat group consisting of a group of other medics who were already discussing the possibility that a rise in the local incidence of pneumonia might be SARS-related. Later, someone else leaked the contents of the discussion. Dr Li’s response to the leak was one of concern that he may be in trouble because of his private publication of the quarantine information, as proved to be the case. Later, after he had signed a promise not to discuss the matter further, he went public with criticism of the official–publicly known–handling of the crisis up to that date, but not further mentioning his WeChat indiscretion or his admonishment.

Two separate publications: one posted privately but leaked publicly by a third party; one made publicly, but of general procedural criticism and not referring to the former.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 12, 2020 8:15 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Used by Western presstitutes for lying Sinophobic hate propaganda, in order to blame China for the pandemic. .

austrian peter
austrian peter
Mar 11, 2020 7:47 AM

Stay calm, Covid-19 mainly kills people over 65 that are sick and elderly and would die anyway in due time. Nothing to worry about here – it’s the manic reactions that cause worry and fear.

You should be happy that our old and dysfunctional leaders will be culled and leave room for Gen X to make a better planet! That’s the real reason why our rulers are panicking.

The death rate for U.S. in 2018 was 8.685 deaths per 1000 people, a 1.22% increase from 2017. The death rate for U.S. in 2017 was 8.580 deaths per 1000 people, a 1.24% increase from 2016.

https://www.prb.org/aging-unitedstates-fact-sheet/
•Covid-19 is estimated to kill 15% of those already sick and elderly over 65.
•The population of >65 in USA is 52,000,000
•Assuming 100% infection rate
•Therefore 7,800,000 will die in this category and is part of the
•20,000,000 deaths of over 65s that die each year anyway.

For the rest of the population it is mostly mild and ineffectual – no more than common flu but much more infectious and persistent – which mean most will get it eventually with an estimated kill rate under 1% again for those with underlying health issues.

Come on boys and gals, they are taking you for fools and blinding you with pseudo-science. Stay calm and carry on!

iskratov
iskratov
Mar 11, 2020 9:33 AM
Reply to  austrian peter

it is not true, in Italy which is the second country after China in terms of number of infected people, it also affects young people, certainly with less frequency …Dr. Li was 36 years old .

https://bergamo.corriere.it/notizie/cronaca/20_marzo_07/coronavirus-bergamo-medico-
humanitas-facebook-situazione-drammatica-altro-che-normale-influenza-4fdf6866-6088-11ea-8d61-438e0a276fc4.shtml?fbclid=IwAR0YsZc6hfVui8R30-dBhassV4NR4Xtq12lIZ2lSivpnyJtmcuPZlXO0yLU

austrian peter
austrian peter
Mar 11, 2020 10:30 AM
Reply to  iskratov

Agreed iskratove thank you, these are only early projections and certainly some under 65 will die but most will have underlying health issues. Only time will tell what the final outcome will be but IMHO it is no reason for this extreme mass panic and extreme economic disruption. I believe that the virus is airborne and everywhere.

I wonder why no panic in Russia? Because they already know?

“When we asked clinical infectious disease specialist Valentin Kovalev to comment on the situation surrounding coronavirus diagnoses, he expressed certainty that people infected with the new virus have in fact entered Russia. “I think the coronavirus infection got to us from China a long time ago, and a lot of people have already contracted it. However, we don’t know about those cases because most of the time, the infection feels just like any other ordinary respiratory illness, and people who are infected get better on their own. Nobody here is about to routinely check everyone who comes down with a cold at home.”
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/03/06/why-are-there-so-few-reported-covid-19-cases-in-russia

Torontonian
Torontonian
Mar 11, 2020 2:06 PM
Reply to  austrian peter

Nice to see someone based in reality that is in power. Just think if others reacted that way.

Torontonian
Torontonian
Mar 11, 2020 2:06 PM
Reply to  iskratov

Northern Italy where it is concentrated has large Asian populations. Milan in particular.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 11, 2020 2:54 PM
Reply to  austrian peter

“Stay calm, Covid-19 mainly kills people over 65 that are sick and elderly and would die anyway in due time.”

Fuck you too. I have known many people who have been greatly upset by the death of parents even when those parents were well into the age of risk. And right now I know three (3) grandparents, two (2) of them now alone, who are bringing up grandchildren because of various problems and incidents that have removed the parents from the scene.

Godolphin
Godolphin
Mar 11, 2020 3:45 PM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Age is immaterial.
100% of those with Covid 19 will die.
100% of those who do not contract Covid 19 will die.

austrian peter
austrian peter
Mar 11, 2020 4:42 PM
Reply to  Godolphin

Nice observation Godolphin, thank you. I am always amazed at the western people being so fearful of death. Perhaps they have lost their faith?

Willem
Willem
Mar 11, 2020 5:27 PM
Reply to  Godolphin

Yes, in the long run we are all dead. What is interesting is the ‘speed’ of dying.

austrian peter
austrian peter
Mar 11, 2020 4:35 PM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

I am 75 – so I understand the risk. Regardless of emotional responses to this plague, there is no denying the facts. In this pandemic, the elderly, sick and infirm will die prematurely – I can’t change that.

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
Mar 11, 2020 7:39 AM

The current global alarm surrounding the coronavirus infestation, worrying though it is, seems to be missing a crucial dimension: whisper it softly – how is the globalised world economy, an economy which is showing distinct signs of malfunctioning, going to cope with the economic strains which the pandemic is having and which will only worsen? Globalization, outsourcing, and just-in-time delivery systems are in panic mode owing to a monkey wrench being thrown into an increasingly unstable system – a system which has produced grotesque asset price bubbles in stocks, property and other financial assets such as bonds and derivatives, not to mention the emergence of gross global income inequality.

It should have been apparent for some time that the post 2008 blow-out was ‘fixed’ by doubling down of policies which produced that crisis in the first place. The emergence of a fragile Ponzi economy – that is to say a low-investment, low-productivity, failing enterprises which have been kept alive by a diet of fiat monies courtesy of the largesse of the world’s central banks – but this was always a short-term fix. Many firms have been unable to pay the principle on their loans, nor increasingly even their short-term interest repayments on low-interest borrowed money. At the present time they are kept afloat by even more ultra low rate interest in order to pay their existing short-term interest repayments. Layer and layer of fiat currency is suffocating the world economy and producing diminishing returns as debt is growing higher than national income (GDP)

Money printing has been the inane policy cue which came straight from the citadels of the system: namely the central banks around the world with the Fed in the lead whose one-fix-all approach has been to print more money. But these monies have just gone into speculative ventures which made property and stock markets look great but had an adverse effect on the rest of the economy, particularly as the system has become increasingly financialised, i.e., transmuted into a gigantic, parasitic, rent extraction machine.

The coronavirus epidemic was not the cause of the current meltdown, although it will get the blame, since the PTB will be keen to assign the blame to anyone other than themselves, but undoubtedly coronavirus was the trigger. So now we seem to be entering the second leg of the great correction which started in 2008 which was patched up but now is coming unglued again, only worse this time since the debts are so much bigger.

The really extant feature of this whole episode has been the choreographed silence of the PTB. Those elites ensconced in the IMF, World Bank, World Trade Organization, publications such as The Financial Times, The Economist, The Wall Street Journal, the talking heads who inhabit the printed and visual MSM, the political and business elites are all pleading not guilty –no, not us, it’s the virus wot done it – but this was not what they were saying in the bubbling run-up to the present impasse. The promised brave new world turned out to the quality BS. Not to former chair of the Fed Janet Yellen, however, who opined: “Would I say there will never, ever be another financial crisis? … Probably that would be going too far. But I do think we’re much safer, and I hope that it will not be in our lifetimes, and I don’t believe it will be.”

I only wonder whether the PTB actually believe in their own BS or not. Where we go from here is not exactly clear?

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 11, 2020 12:02 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

I only wonder whether the PTB actually believe in their own BS or not.

Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them. The Party intellectual knows in which direction his memories must be altered; he therefore knows that he is playing tricks with reality; but by the exercise of doublethink he also satisfies himself that reality is not violated. The process has to be conscious, or it would not be carried out with sufficient precision, but it also has to be unconscious, or it would bring with it a feeling of falsity and hence of guilt. Doublethink lies at the very heart of Ingsoc, since the essential act of the Party is to use conscious deception while retaining the firmness of purpose that goes with complete honesty. To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies — all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth.

https://orwell.ru/library/novels/1984/english/en_p_2

Torontonian
Torontonian
Mar 11, 2020 2:09 PM
Reply to  milosevic

Clearly I need to re-read Orwell! Thanks so much for all this!

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 11, 2020 3:23 PM
Reply to  Torontonian

Binra
Binra
Mar 11, 2020 4:38 PM
Reply to  milosevic

I hold that the narrative identity running over ‘unconscious’ relational conflicts or separation trauma – operates just as Orwell describes.
The lie by which one lives – a secret mind – is kept hidden and heavily armoured against disclosure. The body’s world IS the diversion and displacement of evaded conflicts – that then fill our world, until we no longer use it and others to serve a loveless agenda.

The book ‘1984’ brought out the pattern in a way that can more readily be seen – and yet was associated more with political tyranny and not with compulsive viral thinking aligned to a deeper fear-evasion. Room 101 was used to indicate that regardless the form of our fears, they are that which represents the breaking of the spirit, loss of heart and compliance with a passive conformity to a hollow parody of a life.

The lie and the father of it cannot be TRULY one step ahead of truth – but the frame of the mind depicted by Orwell is always one step ahead of any attempt to escape or overcome itself – for we operate from it and by it until the wish to control reality is released of its status as currency of meaning. Truth can be accepted, recognised and extended to share in. But because truth is not coercive upon us, it can be denied by choosing to make illusion in its place.

A world of post traumatic fear denial, can make illusions and give them power so as to have their experience – but at cost of now suffering powerlessness and subjection to what we made – in other words it becomes our human condition – personal, cultural and collective.

Where the ‘hell’ of physical torments and subjections of others gives way to the disclosure of the utter lovelessness beneath the broken mask – is where another order of hatred and despair rises up as utterly irrevocable and inescapable. ‘Abandon hope all ye who enter here’.

I see Orwell as a modern day depiction of the crucifixion of truth – but without the spirit of redemption or resurrection – indeed it is an account of a failed insurrection. Orwell called it 1948 – but the publishers wouldn’t have it.

What then did the viral novel 1984 achieve? Did it prepare us to choose freedom of spirit or condition us to despair and unconscious acquiescence while taking the role of being a free society in contrast to what then seemed an extreme exaggeration?

The answer is whatever you and I made of it – because whatever others say or do – or fail to say and do – we make our own life choices in alignment with truth or with alignment with a self preservation that looks away while turning a blind eye.

Observing our consciousness in act, is utterly blocked by the interjection of guilt. Not when owning and facing feelings of guilt – but to the mind of guilted manipulation that is always one step ahead of allowing the presence of truth to shine into and through us. Such truth is the simple radiance of being at one with self and life. Guilt is an irrevocable conviction – that operates as the base of knowledge – but there is a Higher Court – or Perspective of Compassion – which is inconceivable to a persisting mind in judgement.

The fixation and fascination on horror, conflict, sickness and struggle is the means by which the power of Life is denied, not only by the one who is so identified, but is denied the world he or she lives in – and is part of – by the lack of extension of life and the embodiment or demonstration of life-lessness running the mask of false with-ness.

We get a newspaper free with an occasional supermarket shop. I use them to light my stove. i had to laugh at a headline moment : Shadow of Death hangs over Easter.

The hypnotic capture of our society indicates a loss of will to a control mind that delivers unto what it is tasked with protecting from.

The power of decision is in the heart. Putting off the heart in just one more thing is always already evading its call by hearing or doing something else, and making a world of diversion seem as if it is the current priority of the real world.
Perhaps because the heart is associated with loss of power, loss of self and exclusion and rejection of others.

Torontonian
Torontonian
Mar 11, 2020 2:07 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

Its the standard- ” don’t look here! look over here!” its the same game they have been playing for years.

austrian peter
austrian peter
Mar 11, 2020 5:02 PM
Reply to  Torontonian

You nailed it – it’s a cover for the inevitable crash which they knew was coming.

austrian peter
austrian peter
Mar 11, 2020 4:46 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

Excellent short dissertation, Francis Lee, and well put, thank you. But where indeed do we go from here? My book explains it all and much more:
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2020/03/07/the-financial-jigsaw-issue-no-94/

Koba
Koba
Mar 11, 2020 7:34 AM

I’ve been pissing myself at the herd going mad

Alan Tench
Alan Tench
Mar 11, 2020 10:42 AM
Reply to  Koba

Just make sure you don’t shit yourself, what with the bog roll crisis.

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 11, 2020 7:28 AM

“Coronavirus: Health minister Nadine Dorries tests positive”

Obviously the “real life” reportage of the corralorra virus wasn’t deemed scary enough. Now the deadly bug hits celeb town! And after a stressful budget, 40 billion is given to corra bug research necessitating the complete annihilation of the NHS! Regrettable but desperate times etc.

Next month: Cure found!

Month After: New bug: the borratorra is unleashed from Indonesia and cuts a swathe through the cast of Coronation Street!

Repeat and fade…

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 11, 2020 9:59 AM
Reply to  George Mc

I believe that Boris Johnson is washing his hands of the whole problem.

MLS
MLS
Mar 11, 2020 11:20 AM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

The best way of getting people in the UK to take some scare porn seriously is to claim BJ isn’t doing anything about it

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 11, 2020 3:02 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

“I believe that Boris Johnson is washing his hands of the whole problem.”

When I tried to upvote that several more times this miserable publication wouldn’t let me.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 12, 2020 8:17 AM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Pontius Pillock?

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
Mar 11, 2020 7:28 AM

Given the gravity of what is happening in the world it is important to sideline most of the other issues. However, let’s not forget those little moments when the full bestiality of the AZ-empire reveals itself to the world.

Herewith

”The Israeli Army Doesn’t Have Snipers on the Gaza Border. It Has Hunters
Hatred Unleashed.” Headline.

From the Israeli opposition newspaper Haaretz: 10-03-2020. By Gideon Levy. IDF soldier spills the beans.

“‘Let me just once take down a kid of 16, even 14, but not with a bullet in the leg – let me blow his head open in front of his whole family and his whole village. Let him spurt blood. And then maybe for a month I won’t have to take off another 20 knees.”

Less we forget this casual barbarism.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 12, 2020 8:21 AM
Reply to  Francis Lee

Zionist hatred has three sources, in my opinion. The root Judaic hatred of all goyim, the basis of their religion. The Western colonists’ hatred of the indigenous who must be exterminated or expelled so that the European Herrenvolk can seize their God-ordained Lebensraum. And hatred born of the Nazi Judeocide, and a lust for vengeance, and the Palestinians are convenient victims. Mind you, this hatred can be turned on anyone. And it will be the death of Israel, too, eventually, first morally and spiritually, then materially.

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum
Mar 11, 2020 6:55 AM

Let’s skin all the politicians, CEOs, oligarchs and the military top brass,
solar dry their skin, and use it for toilet paper.
100% biodegradable, recycled and they finally serve a useful purpose.
It’s a win-win.

accuracy
accuracy
Mar 11, 2020 9:22 AM
Reply to  Fair dinkum

“Let’s skin all the politicians, CEOs, oligarchs and the military top brass,
solar dry their skin, and use it for toilet paper.”

Using excrement to wipe off shit?

Those in the list should be treated as radioactive waste; a description I am sure they are proud of.

Chris Rogers
Chris Rogers
Mar 11, 2020 6:46 AM

Disgusted by the public panic, not having played down the danger of Covid-19 or hyped its lethality, really distressed by the public panic, most of it manufactured by our MSM. Anyhow, as someone personally impacted by the non-health impact of this virus I’m pleased to share MedCram’s medical advice, which has been very balanced all round since the Bat Virus raised its ugly head: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7F1cnWup9M

Roger G Lewis
Roger G Lewis
Mar 11, 2020 6:42 AM

The Bat Flu Incident.