WATCH: Dr Scott Jensen Reveals “Ridiculous” Covid19 Guidance
Minnesota State Senator says Department of Health guidelines instruct doctors to list Covid19 as cause of death, without being tested
Minnesota State Senator Scott Jensen appeared on a local news show to report that doctors were receiving instructions from the Minnesota Department of Health to report Covid19 as a cause of death, even if the patient was never tested.
Senator Jensen, who is also a practising physician, said he had never before in his thirty-five-year career received specific instructions on how to fill out a death certificate.
The apparent policy of Minnesota – to report any and all pneumonia or “flu-like illness” decedents as Covid19 cases, with or without a test – ties in with the US policy as described by the CDC’s official memos.
This is not new information, we covered the guidelines from the CDC, here.
In fact the governments of Italy, Germany, the UK and Austria all doing the same thing.
So, while Dr Jensen’s revelation isn’t as shocking as it would have been just 10 days ago, it does at least demonstrate that, within the medical world, these guidelines are not normal. In a separate interview with Lauran Ingraham, Jensen described the guidelines as “ridiculous”.
According to Jensen, citing a colleague, it is not usual practice to ever put “presumptions or probabilities” on a death certificate, but rather to “stick to the facts”.
The question still hangs in the air: Why do national and regional governments appear to be going out of their way to inflate the Covid19 death statistics?
Dr Jensen has his own idea:
Well, fear is a great way to control people, and I worry about that. I worry that sometimes we’re just so interested in jazzing up the fear factor, that…you know, sometimes people’s ability to think for themselves is paralyzed if they’re frightened enough.
Thoughts to consider.
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For Austria and Germany the information is inaccurate!
Fact is, that they do not distinguish between died OF the virus versus dies WITH the virus. But they are definitely tested.
There is no virus. Not trying to sound like a narcissist but there are absolutely none of the kind. I have looked at thousands of studies. You must first show me one publication that proves that viruses are 1: Purified 2: Isolated 3: All parts of the virus detected (proteins, RNA …). Considering that no publication from approximately 1945 until today has fulfilled points 1,2 nor 3 one cannot talk about animal viral tissues, viral pathogenesis. On the other hand, a negative control experiment proved the pathogenicity of the alleged viruses (animal or human) to be incorrect, no pathogenicity and no infection with the said alleged viruses. Vaccines contain components of dying monkey cells, for example, and this is misinterpreted as an alleged attenuated virus. Bill Gates vaccines paralyzed 500 000 children below the age of 5 in India, killing thousands in Africa, causing neural damage on thousands upon thousands. The… Read more »
https://humansarefree.com/2020/09/500-german-doctors-and-scientists-question-official-covid-19-story-it-is-high-time-that-we-took-this-into-our-own-hands.html
https://humansarefree.com/2020/12/scientist-tells-the-truth-about-covid-19.html
A previous comment about the covid death rate trending towards the overall mortality rate – and that that overall rate would increase as a consequence of the lockdown- was said mostly in jest. However, after listening to this testimony below (which has the ring of truth to me), I am starting to think this is actually starting to happen. If patients are presumed to have covid on arrival, treated in medically dangerous ways, then killed by that treatment; if patients are dying at home, scared to go to hospital to get treatment; if the systems of preventative medicine and things like organ donation grind to a halt – then lots and lots of people are going to die. And all this before the effects of things beyond the medical systems come to the fore.
This is all starting to look potentially genocidal.
In the US it’s being used to cull the underclass, as expected.
http://www.deagel.com/country/forecast.aspx
These forecasts of population and GNP for all countries were put up in 2014.
Massive reductions are seen or all western countries – eg USA to have fewer than 100 Million people by 2025.
Precisely why they were published is unclear, Deagel seems to be involved in the arms industry.
What a weird yet fascinating website. I find no About page and cannot make any sense of the site’s overall purpose, except perhaps to track data pertaining to military hardware? But why bother with that, and why bother gathering then interpreting all those statistics into population and GDP predictions stretching to 2025? A lot of work for nothing but the purported honesty of or interest in the process? The site’s explanation in ugly puce text under the stats pages you link to reads like the work of enthusiastic amateurs to me. But overall, very mysterious indeed.
Indeed.
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And to wipe out the middle-class
A double whammy
https://humansarefree.com/2020/10/bombshell-proof-rothschilds-patented-covid-19-biometric-tests-in-2015-2017.html
^^^ Must watch. ^^^
Long version: ICU Nurse Whistle blower
Notable points: because of the bad guidelines coming from the medical establishment and above: the numbers for covid are being inflated and people are being killed.
And medical practitioners are forbidden by law to speak out.
There’s a few counter points to consider there. Historically the death rate doesn’t change in balance because things like traffic deaths decrease. But to dismiss suicide and suffering on this basis is crass. But it does not increase.
Rebutting that is that we don’t see this level of hysteria often and folks are avoiding treatment for other things.
Yet in 🇨🇦 for decades folk wisdom says never go to hospital for any but a serious reason and know the difference.
You don’t just expose yourself to risk but pollute the hospital with your cold or flu.
I think we have a responsiblity to make sure that supply and triage issues will not needly kill anybody in the future.
And some gov’t power play would backfire hugely if they try it.
*needlessly* sorry.
I refuse to join the jingoistic speculation around weaponization and in particular China recently because the history of the virus and location data can be argued both ways.
They make the ideal victim in larger geopolitical economic / power play. Cui bono tells you nothing. They all do if at all.
The genetic evidence is extremely weak (non existant).
Thus fascism and a cover for the latest crisis of capitalism are all that remain as a motive.
Culling as an argument is obviously weak given the survivors are stirred up.
Given the way this and all viruses work I think the virus as natural argument is clearly on top lacking clear evidence to the contrary.
Which further supports the opportunistic fascism danger you all argue for. Good call in balance.
The problem with that is, that some physicians now discovered, that patients who are intubated expire very quickly compared to patients who are getting only oxygen. So a number of deaths could be prevented, by treating the people differently. In Germany this means treating people not according to what the guidelines say, which can be a problem.
TOO many “if’s &’s & but’s” in your stmt … I only go on FACTS … AND the CDC has been ‘manipulating #s’ for SO long, there needs to be an AUDIT – ASAP. Dr. Scott Jensen is ethical and KNOWS facts. Dr. Simon Gold states FACTS & she has been an MD for 25+ yrs AND her DAD has been an MD for 60+ yrs. WE are BEING lied to by CDC, FDA, especially fake fauci & his ‘scarf friend’ that has NOT EVEN renewed her medical license – BECAUSE they’ve ALL been paid off by china, WHO crook tedros, bill gates who wants to ‘control vaccines’ BECAUSE he believes America’s population is TOO LARGE & is a One World Order creep …. ALL NEED PROSECUTION, FINED & JAILED — ASAP!!!!!!
A bit more music for the mayhem. Actually there’s a bit of a story behind this one, in that Edwyn Collins is lucky to be alive. Collins’ story shows how you can triumph over almost impossible odds.
Orange Juice and Rip It Up…
I’m dancing around my room to this in my Hazmat suit, while clutching a copy of the Communist Manifesto, and all the while wrapped in reams of bog roll.
It’s a funny old world.
Yeah you go Ro flatten that goddammed curve
“Rob’ of course.
I absolutely agree with Senator Dr Scott Jensen because for weeks the most competent and serious scientists have been denouncing, too, the non-conformity of the statistics referring to the number of cases and deaths due to the coronavirus. For these experts, SARS-CoV-2 is not as letal as the health authorities and the media would have us believe. For them, there is fraud, whether unintentional or intentional.
The stakes are high for a global economic and financial reshape, people’s health and most basic freedoms are supposed to be of the slightest importance.
Hockey stick statistics.
My wife breathlessly tells me that there are mass graves being dug in New York. So: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52241221 Coronavirus: New York ramps up mass burials amid outbreak Images have emerged of coffins being buried in a mass grave in New York City, as the death toll from the coronavirus continues to rise. Workers in hazmat outfits were seen stacking wooden coffins in deep trenches in Hart Island. Officials say burials are being ramped up at site, which has long been used for people with no next-of-kin or families who cannot afford a funeral. ….. The drone footage comes from Hart Island, off the Bronx in Long Island Sound, which has been used for more than 150 years by city officials as a mass burial site for those with no next-of-kin, or families who cannot afford funerals. Why drone footage? Is this all happening in secrecy? Are the authorities – or some… Read more »
What is the daily average death rate in NYC?
Is there any website I can go and check mortality average’s arose and the world?
Is there any website I can go and check mortality average’s arose and the world? Well that’s the big question. There are plenty of sites churning out numbers but not giving any breakdown of the numbers – e.g. by age, possible other complicating factors etc. My advice would be to carefully scrutonise all articles to see if they actually say “died OF coronavirus” Usually they say that such and such a number had the virus and then so many died. The imlpication being that they died of the virus. Also check for other oddities e.g. the curious cloak-and-dagger reporting I noted above where these “sinister” events are being filmed from on high. Why do that? Why not just contact the authorities and find out directly what’s going on? Most importantly – check to see if unusual events are being caused by the claimed accelerating deaths or by precautions taken against… Read more »
“presumed accelerating deaths” should read “projections of presumed accelerating deaths”.
This website is very good. https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/united-kingdom-influenza-pneumonia I have provided a link to the page about influenza and pneumonia, but you can look up deaths from all causes, in order, for every country. The statistics are from 2017.
Sorry, the life expectancy website doesn’t give statistics for individual cities.
According to data obtained from the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics Mortality Surveillance System website, total U.S. deaths for the first three weeks of March are DOWN 10% from the average of the prior four years for the same three week period. The average for weeks 9 through 11 for the four prior years was a total of 170,555 deaths. For weeks 9 through 11 this year, the total is 153,015, meaning 17,540 fewer people died in America during the first three weeks of March than could be reasonably expected. And the gap between historic deaths and weekly deaths is widening. For week 11, just 47,655 Americans died, 8,773 and 15% fewer than the average for week 11 in the prior four years. And while data on week 12 is not complete, it is trending similar to week 11 and will likely be down by 15% (around 8,700 deaths… Read more »
what if the boxes are empty??
New York Mobilizes Rikers Island Prisoners To Dig Mass Graves for Coronavirus Victims
https://www.mintpressnews.com/new-york-mobilizes-rikers-island-prisoners-to-dig-mass-graves-for-coronavirus-victims/266284/
Did I hear this correctly from the Doctor stating that it is not a serious disease for 90 % of people ????
Yes, estimates from various sources say it is harmless or mild for 80-99% of those infected.
Shame about Sleboda. I kind of liked him. All people confronted with the facts that their glued up narrative cannot handle act the same (I’ve done it) : they say something absurd, like an asshole, then run away.
#mindvirus
Doing a bit of research on music. I wonder is Beatle mania like Cov-19 in reverse?
Not wishing to diminish the problem. Any mental health professionals out there?
the beatles where a tavistock military project
so yes
this is not a viral but a country of the mind issue
many of the record companies where spu out of the air ministry
experiments in sound
experiments in the mind
experiments tv programming
plato and his many caves
This “lockdown” is not about “saving” lives, since everyone will die one day anyway. This is all about (possibly – no guarantee) prolonging lives. Those at risk (with few exceptions) are the already very sick and elderly. As those of us with independent enough minds already know. Those not in the Rupert Murdoch age category (he’s 89) have been given the message that they ought to stay inside and avoid others. For the foreseeable future. Not because it will “save” their lives (they are not at risk) but because it MIGHT (it might not) help “save” (ie, perhaps prolong) the lives of elderly people like everyone’s favorite grandad Mr Murdoch. Who runs a global media empire. The thing is, there is no guarantee that “your” decision – well, okay nobody actually asked you if you wanted to “self isolate” (I’d have said no, you can fuck off) will actually make… Read more »
Good comment. Ultimately our vulnerable are hostage.
For those who can bear it: Noam Chomsky, in self isolation in Arizona, being questioned about coronavirus and what to do about it His answer (I kid you not): Trump is a buffoon, we will get extinguished by global warming or nuclear war, and yes: coronavirus can have terrible consequences. If we trust Trump, that wil be the end of us all (so, implicitly, vote Biden). We humans are so terrible, trusting in all these Hitlers that have been around since Chomsky’s youth, that, in a way, we all deserve to die. Oh yeah, and we should organize (we always need to ‘organize’), but this is a bit hard in self-isolation, but we will find ways (but Chomsky is never explaining how that is going to happen). Of course Chomsky doesn’t say this in four sentences but in a half hour long and b.o.r.i.n.g conversation with an interviewer who idolizes… Read more »
Thanks, Tony.
Oh, btw, I note from her Instagram page, the bane of my love life, Murray’s Russian groupie Tatyana, is in full quarantine mode.
“Tanya” is sporting a very generous face mask and her deep blue-gray eyes are just visible beneath the hood of her coat. From the photo it would appear that she has courageously ventured outside to purchase a fresh supply of chocolate.
I hasten to add that as I value my life (she has already skewered my heart), I will not be telling Tatyana that multipack Kit Kat’s are no protection against coronavirus disease.
As you have often said, “she’s a clever girl.” Presumably Tanya has decided that she wants to die happy …
Chomsky’s success has much to do with his name. CHOM, onomatopoeic, substantial, a satisfying mouthful, considerable like a basset hound (which is precisely the laboured and overly-measured manner in which Chomsky speaks), and SKY, denoting Russian or Polish heritage worthy of respect.
I don’t see what his name has to do with it, and in any case Slavic names sometimes trigger xenophobia.
Chomsky has answered your questions a THOUSAND times. Read his books, and you’ll see.
A friend in France is saying that the lockdown – ie imprisonment of the British people, is due to extend for another 3 weeks – can’t verify it at the moment, but this could be a media ruse or it could be the government telling its friends one thing whilst they tell us something different
We are at about day 60 of 100 in this current wave so more like about another 6 weeks with phased releases for a 4 day or so week follwed by 10 off to shepherd the spread of the necessary herd immunity. Which hopefully will be sufficient to avoid as drastict a lockdown on the second wave.
My comments are not being published, in a timely manner and all such information that i impart is being missed because of being in pre mod due to the ‘system’ according to Off-G. Certainly not censorship – just a computer algorithm…
Me too. Seem to be on pre-mod since asking a few questions and making a few personal observations that were at odds with some of the Off-G commentary.
All very mysterious.
Certainly takes the fun out of engaging with co-commentators when posts do not appear in real time, but take several hours to show up.
Is it just a gltch, or is it censorship – I have no idea?
It’s censorship Harry, because you are just that important, and we are so bad at it we let all your bellyaching slip through our soviet style dragnet.
🙄
Lol. Admin1. I should start paying attention to this.
Harry, for what it’s worth: I like your comments on Covid19 as they follow somewhat the same paradigm (of what Covid19 is) in my hospital.
Since it is fair to say that all of us don’t know what is going on with Covid19 (since there is simply not enough information), we are all entitled to have an opinion as long as it is well constructed and kind.
Anyway that is how I see it.
The Irish lock-down has been extended today to May the 4th – new legislation was signed in to law on Tuesday night which makes it illegal to travel more than 2km from your house.
There are exceptions to this listed on the government website, egs include essential shopping & visits to the pharmacy where there are none with 2km. Health care workers travelling to/from work, etc
Also hospital appointments are allowed however these have all been cancelled anyway.
When they added the legislation Tuesday night they said it would expire this Sunday 12th and was only to stop people travelling over the Easter Bank Holiday weekend.
Then surprise surprise it was extended today by 3 week.
Was this legislation voted on in the Dáil, or are your TDs shirking from home, like our MPs?
A small number from each party are going in & no “emergency” legislation so far has been voted against, they are all in complete agreement.
Very pleased with the progress of our whatsapp street group. I only knew about it, because a couple in our road a week ago, last Friday delivered leaflets to every door – just in our road (that’s the entire point – if you don’t live in our road, you can’t join). You just reply by whatsapp, with your first names, and house number. I instantly replied what a Brilliant idea, and that we would help in any way, and if anyone wanted to borrow – I mentioned a specific garden tool – I said, once I have finished with it, anyone in our road can borrow it. Since then almost everyone in our road has joined our whatsapp street group, and via it have offered all kinds of help, and no one from outside our road, even knows we are doing it, or if word has leaked, they have been… Read more »
Pretty similar with our local bowls and social club as the focus.
Great stuff, Tony. There’s similar community collaboration happening in my own little neck of the woods.
And thus far the indications are that huge numbers of French will be on the streets protesting this weekend – and as well as being beaten-up and gassed by the CRS, they now also face huge fines and imprisonment.
We know the old saying: when people have nothing left to lose, they lose it (their temper).
Tony
I do sense some hidden message there. In our road we are all over 80,( except me ) so too old for that kind of stuff. No wonder Craig Murray refuses to have you on his site.
Greetings Liverat at 3825. I dunno. You can’t all sit out front? Apart?
Oh crap. *LoveRat*. That was word prediction seeming either malicious or Freudian. Apologies.
I mean what sort of jerk would address an elderly person that way?
That’s great. I am keenly interested in positive use of neighborhood apps.
This message appeared on the “Nextdoor App”: “Please pass & share I need help! I don’t know who or where 2 ask. My husband has been given 8 months or less 2 live. He has glioblastoma grade 4. The most aggressive cancer there is. After 42 days of Chemo & Radiation he desperately needs a MRI. to get a baseline 2 CONTINUE. Because of the Virus he can’t. Help! Without it we don’t know if it’s grown back, or if the tumor has changed place.. I know it would take a miracle to save him but there is no chance if he can’t get further treatment. He can not because HE CAN NOT GET A MRI DUE TO THE VIRUS. The Company that monitors his heart will not send a rep, to the hospital to slow down his heart. He will die without treatment . With, we can squeeze more… Read more »
I believe you’ve caught the essence of the situation.
Well, it seems that the passage of our lives depends upon a number. I still await reliable figures of excess deaths, which are the only true measure of this. We know of course that the figures are being deliberately falsified to make them as high as possible. Doubtless there are some who are happy to falsify them. In the meantime the Guardian is gorging itself on the latest horror number and lying in the way only it can to it’s readership. The sheeple are “loving” it of course. I’m not sure it will end until they have us all strapped down in our homes. To be shot on sight if we dare step outside. Nothing less will satisfy these monsters. If it were up to me I would have done nothing. I would have let the thing run it’s course. As it would. We know it only takes the very… Read more »
Your time will come.
We are living through what is probably the most extraordinary event in human history.
I know many will no doubt hate me for saying this, but in a way we are privileged to witness something that most humans throughout the eras have never witnessed.
The coming months are going to be very difficult indeed (I won’t soft soap it), but I do remain optimistic about the long term.
The most extraordinary stupid event in human history.
I don’t, but I’m a pessimist.
We are living through the collapse of capitalism, a global ecological collapse without real precedent in geologic time and the end of Western global dominance, one way or another. It has been certain since 1989, and all those stooges chipping away at the Berlin Wall had no idea.
“the collapse of capitalism” to be replaced with something even more oppressive and guaranteed to continue profits for the financiers and corporations.
The directors behind the scenes will use a script with a newer and a catchy title, but it will be the same production, by the same cast.
There is no way to know. But if you don’t live right each day going forward it never will happen. And maybe that’s the key thing anyway. We all make mistakes.
I have tried to read the Independent but the adds are insane making it neigh on impossible but I think the jist is that the UK lockdown is being implented illegally and that the Police do not have the powers to stop and demand someones details, nor can they demand to know the reason why a person is outdoors, if this is true, how many more unlawful abuses are being carried out in the UK? I also tried to read about an Australian Lawyer who is offereing free advice regarding covid19 penalties. I am massively suspicious of this covid19 and placing the UK under house arrest and if this is not legal, why the bloody hell are people allowing it to happen, at what point do the people say enough is enough? Also I read that UK and USA wish to get compensation of China which has me thinking if… Read more »
Message from China to US and UK:
“Deduct a certain amount for Covid-19 before sending us the cheque for the opium trade reparations – plus interest”
War with China?
War often bankrupts countries. The US and UK are bankrupt already.
98% of medicines on sale in the west contain ingredients from China.
If China were somehow destroyed?
Mmmm – how many people in the US and the UK rely on various medicines?
Yes: even my vitamin C comes from China (almost certainly).
When nations are bankrupt they go to war. Great way to repudiate the national debt and create a new currency regime.
The USA government considers China a major trading partner, a source for cheap production, a place where toxic manufacturing can be done cheaper, and as a major enemy.
Borderline personality disorder?
Oh god…bloody Versailles all over again. That didn’t end well.
So I take it no one here actually knows what rights uk subjects/citezens still have?
If people actually knew what rights they still had, then it would put the people at an advatage over the police and the govt, I would think it would be in the interest of a free and just press to publish exactly what rights we still have and how far police powers extend.
A “free and just” press would be termed “fake news”.
Individuals in non compliance with orders during a national emergency would be considered “terrorists”.
Disagreeing with supplied data would earn the title of “denier”.
All of this is already in place, and has been field tested, and proven to be effective, for over two decades.
the adds are insane making it neigh on impossible
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/noscript/
Get a browser extension called Ublock Origin. Or, if you like a bit of a fiddle, UMatrix (my No 1 choice). Then add ClearURLs, HTTPz and Decentraleyes. Then you’ve got a sparkling clean internet. I’m on Firefox.
The media amplification of the COVID-19 message is n part owing to this, from MintPress News: “…the Gates Foundation underwrites the entire Global Development section of the Guardian, and has given the British newspaper over $9 million. Studying its donation database, it transpires it has also contributed over $3 million to NBC Universal, over $4 million to the influential French newspaper, Le Monde, over $4.5 million to NPR, $1 million to Al-Jazeera, and an astonishing $49 million to the BBC’s Media Action program, to name only a few. He who pays the piper, it is said, calls the tune.” The “mockingbird” media (smaller outlets copy-catting the larger ones) then take the message and run with it. Add to that the “charitable donations” of the Gates Foundation – second largest donor to WHO, partner in the World Economic Forum, donations to and investments in Big Pharma, etc. – and we seem… Read more »
The NHS has been turned into something like a cult. It’s concerning how the military are suddenly working hand in glove with the NHS. Yesterday on Radio 5 they had a 10 minute interview with a former Royal Marine who is now in senior managment in the NHS. My understanding is that police, NHS military etc were kind of kept apart, but this is obviously not how things are done now. Maybe this has been going on for a long time, but are we now seeing the reality of the fact that basically all the institutions are now completely infiltrated and managed by military/intelligence? This is fascism. We have had strong warnings about this kind of thing.
JFK A HAUNTING AND PROPHETIC SPEECH
the crossover that you talk about is government policy – it is in the fusion doctrine and it is in the rapid response memorandum – I’ve been downvoted here for saying this but the evidence is there for those who want to find it – there is no accountability of government – they all talk the same language and all talk the same shit!”
This should be game, set & match on the hoax: CLICK Well worth the read, here are a few extracts: Dave Rasnick has had exchanges with David Crowe about this, and concurs, “To my knowledge, they have not yet purified this virus.” “The primers are what you know. We already know the strings of RNA for the Corona family, the regions that are stable. That’s at one end. Then you look at the other end of the region, for all Corona viruses. The Chinese decided that there was a region in those stable areas that was unique to their Corona virus. You do PCR to see if that is true. If it is truly unique it would work. But they’re using the SARS test because they don’t really have one for the new virus.” “SARS isn’t the virus that stopped the world,” I offer. “That’s right.” “PCR for diagnosis is… Read more »
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Thanks 🙂
Great article. Thank you.
Here are David Crowe and David Rasnick talking in a podcast in The Infectious Myth series, from 31st March. It covers a lot of the same ground:
https://infectiousmyth.podbean.com/e/the-infectious-myth-david-rasnick-on-the-coronavirus/
Attempting to place the ‘index case’ in Wuhan is disinformation. It was introduced to Wuhan, accidentally or deliberately.
Whether it was introduced or not is inconsequential in terms of what is being said – 18 negative tests but because she had the symptoms & 3 others in the house had the same symptoms but tested positive she was presumed positive.
A flag should have been raised there – ie maybe the test is boll*x & the 3 other people have the same random illness as her which has nothing to do with a coronavirus.
Here is another article, besides the New York Times I post below, saying the US is undercounting the number of corona virus deaths. That should be obvious because the US still does not have enough testing equipment. https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/04/us-will-cover-up-its-own-coronavirus-death-toll.html#more
Moon of Alabama has gone over to the other side … in a manner of speaking.
b denies the eisenhower rhineland open air camps
believes dresden a necessary evil
seems happy about germany paying israel billions in compensation until 2070
deletes comments on israel getting free dolphin class submarines from germany.
limited hang out like most places
How is it likely that undercounting is a problem, if state health authorities are instructing doctors to attribute respiratory cases to Covid-19?
They’re not “undercounting” anything. Any death is being recorded as a C19 death, if you haven’t noticed. They are hard at work trying to fart out a dramatic “pandemic” death number to make us scream wide-eyed like an audience in a Hammer horror movie. And the mendacious vermin at the NYT are the last people I’d trust on anything. Same for their ideological cousins at the Grauniad. In fact, hasn’t the Graun come out with a similar fairytale about “undercounted” casualties in the UK? All in it together, they are.
Grauniad is talking the other day about 900 new deaths in one day! FFS!
We can also find news saying the US is underreporting the number of corona virus deaths. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/us/coronavirus-deaths-undercount.html
Peter Hitchens: the last real man standing.
another one of his excellent interviews this week where he tried to explain to anyone who will listen, that we are suffering a terrible madness.
Peter Hitchens – absolutely awesome.
A must watch interview.
Hitch schools millennial. The ABC of reporting is assume nothing, believe nobody, check everything. I don’t know that I’m right but I also don’t know that the government’s right.
Peter Hitchens – rational thought and sound reasoning and not enough are listening.
So well done .
This from GOV.UK ‘Registered medical practitioners (RMPs) have a statutory duty to notify the ‘proper officer’ at their local council or local health protection team (HPT) of suspected cases of certain infectious diseases. Complete a notification form immediately on diagnosis of a suspected notifiable disease. Don’t wait for laboratory confirmation of a suspected infection or contamination before notification. Consult the PHE Notifiable Diseases poster (PDF, 1020KB, 1 page) for further information. Send the form to the proper officer within 3 days, or notify them verbally within 24 hours if the case is urgent by phone, letter, encrypted email or secure fax machine. If you need help, contact your local HPT using the postcode lookup. For more detail on reporting responsibilities of RMPs, see page 14 of Health Protection Legislation (England) Guidance 2010. All proper officers must pass the entire notification to PHE within 3 days of a case being notified,… Read more »
There is lots of evidence that this virus can be very serious for those who are susceptible to its effects. There is an increasing number of emergency doctors adapting their treatment as they understand COVID-19 and its serious effects more. Nevertheless, it’s also becoming obviovery clear that in dealing with this new variant of SARS, we have collectively fallen into a mass hysteria and probably mass psychosis. I don’t believe the COVID situation to be a conspiracy per se, people are genuinely concerned and fearing death itself. To put into perspective, this the first serious virus pandemic in an age when everyone is inter-connected via social media as well as open to the flood of clickbait and corporate agenda “news” of the MSM. It’s all combined to create a toxic mass hysteria across the planet, we are reacting to the virus illogically. There are inevitably some governments, regimes and other… Read more »
“I don’t believe the COVID situation to be a conspiracy per se, people are genuinely concerned and fearing death itself.” I don’t believe it is a conspiracy at all, but the complex way in which the world now works (or did work) has led to it. I don’t mean to be flippant (or perhaps I do) but death is not something new. It is my contention that this hysteria has been fuelled by the way in which people in technologically advanced cultures now handle (or rather fail to handle) death. The absurd “death is a tragedy” meme has permeated our cultures. People parrott this without thinking about it. If this is your attitude then life has to be a fairly miserable experience for you. Because you ain’t going to avoid it! It’s not a love-it-or-hate-it thing. A cousin of my father in her sixties died last year from cancer. Apparently… Read more »
No these are crimes and lies. THIS IS 100% A CONSPIRACY. Maybe there is no new pathogen, maybe they released a bio-weapon, maybe bats in Wuhan causesd a new virus, it doesn’t make any difference, because the orchestrated, pre-planned actions which have been taken are proofs of the conspiracy. This is the part the criminals are controlling centrally and dictating to everyone else. Also, just like the “shoddy intelligence” (planted lies which criminal plants in the government presented to everyone as credible) which brought us the WMD lies which were published to create hysteria, fear and act as justification for the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq and the Middle East, the government came out and lied about how many people were going to succomb to Covid19 . They said 500,000 at one point then once they got the change of direction they wanted they reduced the figure to 20,000… Read more »
What’s changed since the last pandemic, apart from our complete attachment to always-on devices, is that a huge proportion of people, especially Millennials, have become extremely narcissistic. Their extreme narcissism cannot allow them to accept that they are mere mortals like the rest of us. This inevitably leads to a psychological crisis if they believe the invisible killer is about to pounce upon them.
This political & economic horror show, that we are going through today has so many parallels to the other great scam of our age, the War in Carbon, that I hope many will now see for the fraud it is and I hope this Covid scam exposes that it too is a US Psyop being played out in plain view. Both sought to assert their credibility on scientific model predictions, In both cases the initial data was exaggerated and pumped into the machines to give the desired result, which owed more to political & economic ambition than to genuine science. In the case of the War on Carbon, it was based on the falsehood of an infinity increasing temperature rise, which no natural process might ever curb, unlike every other instance of temperature rise. Also bases on the assumption that it was happening as a result of co2 in the… Read more »
I was thinking the same today re: climate change. I have long thought ‘climate change’ some kind of hoax but it had been slightly too big a leap for me to believe it was an organised conspiracy by many governments. In the light of the ‘coronavirus’ situation, not any more. I wonder how many others will be making those kinds of mental leaps in future as a result of the coronavirus?
If a scientist performing an experiment with mice wishes them to gather at points A nd B in a maze, then he doesn’t conspire with them. He merely places cheese at points A and B and waits for nature to take its course.
If a rich man with enough money to employ many scientists wishes them to promote theory A or theory B, then he doesn’t conspire with them. He merely makes it lucrative to promote theories A and B and waits for nature to take its course.
Why, when ALL the Academies of Science and scientific societies on Earth and 98% or so of active climate scientists say something is so, do you believe that it is a ‘hoax’? Why when global average temperatures are unambiguously rising, with the last five years the warmest ever recorded, and permafrost, montane glaciers, sea ice, permafrost etc all furiously melting, and coral reefs bleaching, repeatedly, worldwide, do you believe this is all a ‘hoax’?
Speaking purely personally, I believe the whole Covid scenario has highlighted for me EXACTLY how a consensus involving 98% of scientists COULD exist while not reflecting all that much of reality, if any, at all. Without wishing to start a fight, merely offering my view for the sake of perspective, the earth appears to warm and cool, as historic data seems to indicate, and everything else, every institutionalised human element, is at least up for a second look.
I think that this is a bad comparison. I would not say that there is a consensus among scientists about covid-19, as this site has actually demonstrated.
What we see is a propaganda campaign by the msm. And what we see is medical practitioners being forced to follow orders from the medical establishment and above.
There’s no ‘consensus’ because we know next to nothing about SARS CoV 2, or CoVid 19. Everyone is jumping to conclusions, but reality is the medical system stress.
Well that ‘view’ is simply misguided. The Earth rarely, if ever, warms as rapidly as it has over the last 200 years. Generally, when it does, it ends in catastrophe. You are mistaking human time for geologic time. As for ‘second’ looks-climate science has had tens of thousands of them.
That such tripe gets 29 (so far)upvotes is hilarious. There have been numerous times in planetary history when rises in atmospheric carbon-based greenhouse gases have caused temperature increases of several degrees Celsius and mass extinctions. CO2 is plant food, but plants DIE in droughts and floods caused by climate destabilisation. Look to the Great Barrier Reef, bleached for the third time in the last five years, and to Australian forests, being destroyed by repeated and increasingly frequent mega-fires for refutation of that ludicrous canard. There are orders of magnitude MORE wealth involved in continuing the fossil fuel death-cult than ANY Green initiatives, and FAR more jobs in environmental business than coal or oil, which also leave their communities devastated by local pollution, or mercury, other heavy metals, fly-ash etc. As for the USA benefitting from using its fossil fuels, I assume you are referring to the ‘fracking’ Ponzi scheme that… Read more »
Richard, your whole ‘argument’ is based on the argument of authority (if 98% of scientists say so, it must be true) and ad hominem (Dunning-Krugerites). That is not helping you or me in any way to understand if global warming is or is not a fact.
BTW, most important inventions were made by people who were not part of the group think and who were ridiculed in their own time. Think of Copernicus, Semmelweis, Socrates, Jezus, etc.
Hardly-if not ‘authority’ in science, then what? Industry disinfo, that the denialists quote as if they were ‘authorities’ in anything but lies and misrepresentaion? As for the Dunning-Krugerites, that is description, not ‘ad hominem’. And if you think that the climate destabilisation denialists are in any way comparable to the figures you put forward, then I despair. As for the science in Copernicus’ time and that now, they are incomparable, and Copernicus was only restating knowledge known to the Greeks, Hindus, Chinese and Arabs for some time.
Dr Scott Jensen
on Foxnews
I’m amazed that Fox news actually broadcast this?
Can’t see any of the UK presstitutes being able to expose this…..
Those that are capable of Critical Thinking even in times of manufactured FEAR are so few, that WE don’t stand a CHANCE against a multi-million Herd of Ignorant People.
And to make thing worst many of those so called doctors and scientist – which clearly they aren’t – that PROMOTE and SUPPORT such moronic behavior due to theirs official statements and opinions are on the 1st place of people responsible for this Collective Stupidity.
“Be careful when you follow the masses. Sometimes, the M is silent”
– Anonymous –
Could be the mini manifesto of the Dunning-Krugerites. Who needs science? Not us!!!!!!!!!!!
Craig Murray wrote in March that “The Hong Kong flu was very similar to the current outbreak in being extremely contagious but with a fairly low mortality rate. 30% of the UK population is estimated to have been infected in the Hong Kong flu pandemic. The death rate was about 0.5%, mostly elderly or with underlying health conditions. But there was no massive panic, no second by second media hysteria, over Hong Kong flu.” https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/03/momento-mori-unpopular-thoughts-on-corona-virus/ I think the numbers support his argument and I believe there will turn out to be more deaths from Hong Kong flu than from Corona virus. First you need to compare like with like. In 1968 the population of the UK was approximately 55 million, it is currently around 66.5 million, so 78,000 deaths due to Hong Kong flu in 1968 would be the equivalent of around 94,000 deaths for the current population (of course… Read more »
You’re right I think, but sadly at this point I feel like discussing statistics and numbers not adding up is like starting a discussion about if 1+1 really equals 2, in other words you’re entering a discussion about something that should be self-evident to anyone who isn’t under some kind of spell. Sadly a lot of people seem to be under exactly such a spell at the moment. And I don’t think logic will wake them up. Still you’re right I think and we should keep trying.
Latest info from NL
https://www.rivm.nl/coronavirus-covid-19/actueel
Some facts: 24% of all confirmed Covid19 cases is health care personnel!
Which confirms my suspicion as almost everyone in my hospital coughed, and I had symptoms (very mild) myself (in the weekend fyi)
They test more since 6 April, mainly elderly and vulnerable patients. So that will increase the CFR for Covid19 for sure
https://www.rivm.nl/coronavirus-covid-19/wat-doen-we-in-nederland/testbeleid-nederland
Even so, after a continuing streak of warm sunny weather in NL, the number of hospitalizations for Covid19 (graph aantal in ziekenhuis opgenomen patienten) continues to plummet!
https://www.rivm.nl/coronavirus-covid-19/grafieken
Same for daily deaths, total no of ICU admissions and PCR positives
https://www.rivm.nl/sites/default/files/2020-04/COVID-19_WebSite_rapport_20200410_1119_0.pdf
So get outside, get a tan, enjoy the sun as long as you can.
But don’t forget to wear sunscreen as Baz Luhrmann sang
I am in Greece, and despite the lockdown supposed to last to April 27 at least, quite a lot of people were moving around outside because the weather was sunny (a high of 23 Centigrade). It is to reach a high of 24 tomorrow.
I think we could have given them a run for their money, temperature-wise, today.
Thank Willem. 🙂 But sod off with the sunscreen – it is poisonous shite.
And now this:
This is surely some bizarre ‘real-fake’ news via the backdoor of a supposed ‘leak’. If it is, then the PTB are feeling the heat of constant and reasonable criticism from experts on the absurdity of shooting the horse to save it from the virus.
Let the Fearphoria Games rage on!
Admittedly I barely even look at the headlines in the mainstream media anyone, but has anyone seen any stories at all about the effects of the lockdown on real people? The businesses and education dreams ruined, the petty inconveniences of everyday life now? Imagine if, let’s say. a travel company had gone bust – the stories in the mainstream media about people’s holiday ‘misery’ and plans shattered as a result of the ‘fat cat boss’ would be all over the newspapers. Now we have millions not only with their holidays ruined but not earning and out of jobs too. Women who cannot have fairly basic services like having their hair cut (where is the Guardian on that, I wonder? Imagine if anyone else except the Guardian’s government sponsors had been responsible for subjecting women to that degradation). But nothing in the media about these millions of stories and concerns, just… Read more »
‘Anymore’ not ‘anyone’, obviously. Sorry
RT not allowing any comments now.
“has anyone seen any stories at all about the effects of the lockdown on real people? ” This got some coverage on the BBC because it involves a reasonably well-known sportsman but it’s the tiny tip of what must be a concealed iceberg…. “Former England spinner Shaun Udal fears his Parkinson’s condition may seriously deteriorate after losing access to some of his vital treatment. Ex-Hampshire and Middlesex player Udal, 51, revealed last April that he has the progressive neurological condition. His muscular reactivation treatment has been suspended because of the coronavirus pandemic. “It’s been challenging,” Udal told BBC Radio Solent. “There’s been a marked difference in my shakes…. “Thankfully I’m not at the back-end stage, but the muscle reactivation treatment was really helping me with my speech and the dragging of my legs,” Udal said. “Having that was really paramount to my weekly routine, helping me get through relatively pain-free….… Read more »
This should be the Groaniad’s stock in trade really shouldn’t it? Can just imagine a Marina Hyde piece sneering at the working classes and their multipack toilet rolls and crisps.
stories at all about the effects of the lockdown on real people” 2 years ago I lost the one person I was extremely close to. We were exceptionally close. Not everyone has that experience in life. I fell very ill during the following months, with very high temperature. If I pulled through it is because some acquaintances took me to emergency and then had me stay with them for more than a month and nursed me in a way few would nurse someone they hardly knew. After that I spent most of the last 2 years traveling (colleagues got me transferred for a some months so I would be in a different environment) and staying with or near kindly acquaintances. In short its really because of the human warmth I met with that I believe Im still here. Today with the lockdown Im locked up in the home we shared… Read more »
Snow
I wouldnt really understand what its like losing someone really close . But 6 years ago, I lost so much blood, through internal bleeding (ulcer complications) I collapsed and nearly died on 4 separate occasions within a short period. Gradually as I recovered I discovered I had brains, focus and energy I never had before. Some say it was the numerous blood transfusions gave me this – maybe but there was something else which kept me alive and made me stronger.
Perhaps there was something guiding you too and you will feel a similar strength. I didnt realise until a few years later. Things happen for a reason.
I still don’t know anyone who knows anyone who’s got it.
Neither do I, although admittedly the reported figures are low. However despite this a Nightingale hospital is being set up.
I just took a quick look at comments in the Guardian. This stood out as a reinforcement of Guardian-centric mindset and an emotional appeal for upvotes….it is literary happy-clapping for liberal pretend lefties. This mess, this travesty and complete waste of human life, may not have been preventable but it could have been mitigated. Cygnus, anyone? The failure by the Conservative Party to put human life first and their self-obessiveness over Brexit, another act of suicide of a nation, is why they are out of control, leaderless, shambolic in managing this pandemic. My friends uncle died from Covid-19, so too her mothers’ friend. It feels as though it is closing in. These are people I know. And as I read about nurses wearing bin liners catching the virus and the doctor warning the government who then dies from Covid-19, I fully blame the Conservative government. I am fed up the… Read more »
Gobshite.
Imagine having that for a internal monologue.
Thanks for sharing that.
Sneer and smear, typical Guardian.
The Tories are using the Left ( or a controlled version of it) as cover. They did the same in the Iraq War, pretending it was all for humanitarian reasons. Sadly they usually seem to oblige.
Same with the NHS – it’s a just a cover. Everyone would laugh if Johson told the truth – “Stay home, save MI6”
Yeah Starmer it was him and Thornberry that torpedoed Labours chances in December with his banging on about a second referendum. And the idiots in the Labour Party just voted him in.But you know what he looks like a leader doesn’t he? Another neoliberal stooge ready to defend big business by stopping real democracy in the Labour Party.
“Legacy of coronavirus pandemic must be a new Keir-led society’
To quote the inimitable John Junor: “Pass the sick bag, Alice!”
Too early for ‘Keirtastrophe’?
do you mean this Keir Starmer? In July 2008, Attorney General Patricia Scotland named Starmer as the new Head of the Crown Prosecution Service and Director of Public Prosecution. Appointed as Director of Public Prosecutions in Gordon Brown’s hopeless fag-end New Labour Government back in,Sir Keir’s job was to find ways of not charging corrupt politicians caught defrauding the taxpayer by fiddling their expenses. On 11 September 2008, Malik Mannan stabbed his 26-year-old wife Sabina Akhtar to death. During their short marriage, he was violent to her on 25 separate occasions; two months before her death he threatened that he was going to come home with a knife and “slaughter” her. He is currently serving a life sentence. And who else to blame but Mannan for what was a truly despicable crime? According to Sandra Horley of Refuge, we can also blame the police and the Crown Prosecution Service for… Read more »
Don’t forget his leadership in the lack of prosecutions regarding Saville and his accomplices or in the false imprisonment of Assange with the ‘don’t you dare get cold feet’ memo to Swedish prosecutors who had decided there was no chance of persuing the fake rape charges.
Shome mishtake? Fear-led society, shurely? – Ed
You’ve got to laugh!
And all through the election when Labour were fighting the election on ‘duh it’s about the NHS …stoopid’ they were focusing on brexit and Corbyn and the fake judaeophobia.
It’s ok now they got their boy and girls in charge ( the anti brexiteers!) who will ‘engage with the government ‘ abandoning their fake anti-brexit stance to rubber stamp a hard one, on the back of this crises and a ‘coalition of the willing’ – just like Clegg did in 2010 – knifing their supporters in the back. No not knifing, screwing them front, back and sideways.
Starmer was a traitor who threw Corbyn under a bus. Why would he be trusted? He is all for himself and is a centrist, if not right of centre.
Where are the lockdown Authoritarians dining?
Where are they holidaying?
Where are they taking their kids for entertainment?
How are they filling their down time?
How long can they last in a state of ennui?
These, and many other questions, will become obvious as today’s news becomes tomorrow’s fish and chip wrappers.
David Geffen confirmed he was coping well in a tweet from his $590m superyacht in the Caribbean with its crew of 45.
Currently looking at death announcements in corporate-media for “Covid-19” in April thus far. As you might know, these have been quite hefty.
All of them report a number for cases where there is no underlying (pre-existing) illness (so, the number of cases where it becomes possible to attribute the death to “Covid-19” uniquely [although I doubt this can very rarely by done in the UK]). This number is never larger than 50. On one day, only 4% had no pre-existing illness.
There will be a follow up to this:
Hiding the truth in the lies, all part of the coronavirus swindle: Eddie Large and 568 others
That’s a good article. I hadn’t thought of the fact that Large must have got it in hospital.
I note that spin doctor Derek Draper is apparently in hospital with cv19. I wonder if we would be hearing about this though if he was in hospital with anything else?
Talking of spin doctors, does anyone know how Dominic Cummings is getting on? Last heard of (by me anyway) he was self-isolating at home with symptoms. The stress of being the power behind the throne can’t have been doing his immune system much good, and rumour has it, he’d been hitting the sauce, and I don’t mean H.P.
The front page of the Groaniad today was going on about “hundreds” of people in care homes dying, and not being included in the numbers.
No doubt the underlying message was: “You think it’s bad – but it’s actually much worse than you think!” – Fear porn, in other words.
Well even under the Coronazi Enabling Act 2020, I presume a doctor still has to sign a death warrant, sorry, death certificate for people in care homes, even if he is now allowed to make up the cause of death, so long as it is COVID-19. So why wouldn’t these deaths (which may well be in line with normal numbers – old people tend to have the diseases of old age – be included in the figures, even if slightly delayed?
I was wandering around the ONS website, trying to get a feel for trends in weekly death figures (how morbid we have all become lately), when I found a useful breakdown, relevant to my comment about care homes. On the following webpage, certified death numbers are broken down by location, and total and the number involving Covid19. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending27march2020 For Week 13 (W/E 27th March) we have: Care Home Number of deaths: 2,489 Number of COVID-19 deaths: 20 So, not many in care homes, at least as registered on the death certificate. Unsurprisingly, most registered covid-19 deaths were in hospital: 501 out of 5,105 (most by a long way – so, about 10% of hospital deaths were covid-19 ). Looking at it another way: “The analysis shows that of deaths involving COVID-19 in Week 13, 92.9% (501 deaths) occurred in hospital with the remainder occurring in hospices, care homes and private… Read more »
I made my regular sport today, of an assault on the comments section of the guardian. I was called a Russian by the ‘house trolls’, and promptly ‘moderated’ and half my comments deleted as usual, for questioning government policy on lockdown, after only an hour of fun. The whole page was full of the usual irrelevant & pointless comments joined by those intent on creating fear and panic, which is what the Guardian likes. I was very annoyed to see they left up comments citing death raters of up to 2, 3, & even 7%, which is just criminal, given the real figures are way below that at 0.04-0.01% but that did not surprising me as the Guardia are trying to add to the hysteria, not inform the public. Here are a few of my excellent observations, many of which were promptly deleted: ”So if Imperial colleges projections of 500,000… Read more »
Jack (Jim)
Excellent observations. Keep battling away.
The Guardian deserve contempt. Never being a reader, I struggle to think of any scenario where the guys who set up Off G were once fans. But perhaps sometime before their hard drives were hammered to bits, and proper jounalists driven out there may have been some appeal.
Loverat I was once checking out of the library, holding a copy of The Guardian and an Indian lady said, “the only newspaper that reports foreign news fairly”, or something like that. I’m talking about the early 1980s, when the Telegraph still believed “blacks” began at the Irish sea and got more wild and woolly the further you went. The Times was still trying to be the daily suppository of the upper classes.
Apart from The Guardian you could trust the Financial Times on the basis that it had to report things accurately since many of its readers had investments at stake and would not tolerate disinformation.
All newspapers were affected by the decision to cut reporting in favour of opinion pieces and features, which began in the late 1980s and had nothing to do with competition with the Internet.
Having watched the FT play it’s part in a US orchestrated media campaign against Italy/Greece, with the Euro as it ultimate target, during 2011/12 , I know them to be as big liars as all the others. To me it looks like the oligarchs need real information, everyone else is just a victim being played.
“I was called a Russian by the ‘house trolls’, and promptly ‘moderated’
As a student of the language I’d call that an honour.
You’re now one of those statistics they use when they point out they’ve deleted 1,432,476,193,328 posts for misogyny.
I hope you got a screen cap for the next round of “What guidelines did this post breach?
So you think I was deleted for my terrible written English? I think there are worse than me there who seem to survive quite well.
You must realize that the jesters in government are fully IGNORANT in regard to basic stuff, specially basic stuff regarding Biological events.
In light of that, the jesters go ask the so called “professionals” how they must act.
And since [fake] doctors and scientists are in full stupid mode – if they were REAL doctors and scientist this wasn’t happening -, we are just witnessing in real time what a collective Herd of Stupid [with College degrees] People are able to due.
Well done comrade. Hope the Moscow gold reaches you safely. 🙂
There’s no virus, no. Nothing kills nobody. Flu. Just like your fantastic 12+10 “experts” said. Wonder what will be your next subject. You imagine and write these articles for living, I suppose.
There is no-one here who says that SARS-CoV2 does not exist.
There are many here who think the way the world ‘measures’ ‘CoVid19 cases’ and ‘CoVid19 deaths’ as about as objective as asking 100 men how many women on earth have big tits. In case you had not realised, different men have a different view on what ‘big tits’ constitutes…..
Dying from SARS-CoV2 is vastly different to dying with SARS-CoV2. Which is very different from being infected with SARS-CoV2.
The reason that folks question the official narrative is because it has about as much rigour as 9/11 propaganda, the IPCC global warming schtick and the ‘Russia is the biggest evil on earth’ hooey.
I’m not in a disagreement with the specifics you lay out above. BUT I see many people here who, during the last couple of weeks, have claimed that it’s hoax in order to panic people. No-one can or should deny that and try to rewrite history.
Many here know that the government response is a hoax. The virus and it’s severity is a whole different story, but facts about it have also been manipulated to justify government actions.
David Icke claims that the virus is a hoax because he wants to direct people who question government policy to take up an incorrect, extreme potion, and get slured with the same extremist tag that he is always slurred with. It’s called shitting in the punch bowl.
This allows you can make your false allegations against all people who question government, which is what you are dutifully doing.
I reckon you guys get what you deserve. Isn’t that the case in all democratic countries? I’m not from US and don’t wanna resolve your problems. Unless you ask, that is. But you’ve got plenty, I do see that.
Your post did not single out individuals, you made a blanket false allegation against offg, suggesting falsely that the 22 experts featured had said there was no virus. A LIE.
Oh, look who’s talkin’. Did I hurt you? Do you even feel hurt or do you enjoy that?Those “experts” (don’t know where you dug ’em out – quite an achievement – hurrah, maybe?) said (maybe fearing that panic will f**k up their pension plans) that the virus is just a flu. This is my final comment for any comment that may refer to my post. I see some below. Like the childish comment about virus infecting certain groups in society. I’m sorry but the virus is very democratic and doesn’t care who the f**k you are, what you wear, how old you are and how many like-minded friends you’ve got. But you guys don’t wanna get it. It’d be bad for your business. Why don’t I go and post my angry denouncements somewhere else and so forth? No need to. I don’t know how you were built and what is… Read more »
You’ve posted this stuff before shit. In the interest of parity, why not go on the Guardian or the Mail and post angry denouncements of people who go completely over the top?
There are many views here, as elsewhere The important thing is Off G are following a very rational line based on whats known and using government figures and science. Its a question of interpretation of these facts. If you think this interpretion leads to the extreme actions then thats a view. Either way we should know soon whether these measures were proportionate or not. And the merits of questioning this is borne out by a long timeline of things they got wrong.
Those readers who go further into possible unevidenced scenarios perhaps are not being unreasonable given this track record. Nothing would honestly surprise me these days.
Because hoax can be interpreted two ways (at least): 1) There is no virus, everything is fabricated by the media 2) There is a virus, it’s killing people, but the media and some medical processes are over-inflating these figures (see video). There are a couple in camp 1. Most in camp 2 (as am I). As I see it, the virus is a problem, specifically to certain groups in society. Those people should be protected. Crashing the economy will cause imeasurable damage to far greater numbers of people than those who will die from this outbreak. As I constantly ask of people who think the current approach is rational: how do we support a health service with vastly reduced tax revenue, vastly increased benefit payments, vastly increased inflation from money creation, vastly incrased national debt and collpased supply chains, both nationally and internationally? Even if I accept that doing nothing… Read more »
Like namesake and fellow w@nker Nial Fergursson’s drivel too…
The initial response of Herd Immunity was likely correct. So why was the PM pressurised into the opposite approach? Has the PM been moved sideways because of his beliefs? The outcome of the current lockdown policy is not going to help Brexit but might support Remain.
I think Sweden have likey got it right. Most of it’s detractors claim Sweden is doing nothing, which isn’t true, it is in fact putting some limitations in place and putting out guidelines to protect the vulnerable. The country currently has favourable outcomes compared to many (esp the UK). So why is still getting criticism? Alterior motives?
Shit it is at least possible that covid 19 doesn’t exist. They’ve faked everything else and the pandemic exercise 201 featured a novel coronavirus. That is suspicious is it not? All that’s required is a dodgy test and Bob’s your uncle. As someone said: the test IS covid 19.
And in some way it is a HOAX… One just needs to go READ the raw DATA, and also many of the scientific papers written about Influenza, Pneumonia, IAV, IVB, CoV etc, to realize that SARS-CoV-2 is not a powerful new strain of the Corona Virus Family! A CLEAR example is the case of Italy… Just because the Main S H I T Media is now televising deaths of old weak Italians due to pneumonia in real time, that doesn’t mean this is UNUSUAL! Just a small taste of what YOU CAN FIND if you want to! August 8, 2019 (before this current FLU circus!) Investigating the impact of influenza on excess mortality in all ages in Italy during recent seasons (2013/14-2016/17 seasons). RESULTS: We estimated excess deaths of 7,027, 20,259, 15,801 and 24,981 attributable to influenza epidemics in the 2013/14, 2014/15, 2015/16 and 2016/17, respectively, using the Goldstein index.… Read more »
The virus, of suspect origin, is real; the well orchestrated global response is a hoax, a malicious xtrevilist deception.
Deception is the strongest political force on the planet.
What I say, Rhys, is that there no evidence for any special virus playing a genuine role at all in this alleged pandemic and there is clear evidence against it (all alleged patients we are shown in the media do not display symptoms) … and I have serious doubts about the virus strain SARS-CoV-2 existing at all – but it makes no difference whether it does or doesn’t, there is zero evidence it plays any genuine role. The alleged pandemic is a psyop and in psyops they don’t need real viruses or real pandemics, it’s all done with smoke and mirrors. The only thing for real in this alleged pandemic is that people die – but only as they always do – and I think it’s perfectly possible that a small number of people who have allegedly died are just people who wanted to conveniently disappear, just as people always… Read more »
You believe what you want “shitstorm”, but this site has never said there is no virus.
Where do people like you come from?
Take a good look at the mirror and tell that you have not deliberately downplayed it all along.
Downplayed what? According to worldometer 16,193,000 people have died in the world this year to date. According to worldometer 97,000 from coronavirus. Coronavirus accounts for 0.60 % of the world’s deaths this year.
Why aren’t you wetting yourself over the 99.4% of people whose deaths have nothing to do with coronavirus?
There is a virus, there is a problem, but the threat is being massively exaggerated.
Buy your covid 911! war bonds now!
I wouldn’t like hysterical panicked surgeons doing my operation for me.
So why would I listen to people who peddle fear porn? There’s enough science and with a diligent mind go through the reports and statistics available, but not used by media outlets strangely you can work this out.
If we had no immune systems I’d be worried. But the media is acting like we don’t.
We do, no need to worry.
Well, they’re trying to.
Vitamin C is bad for you and don’t go out in the garden this weekend you might start synthesising Vitamin D. Hancock also threatened to ban our daily exercise. Getting some cardio work in will obviously be of no help if you come down with something that hits your respitory system.
Here’s the thing, there’s a place for pharmaceuticals. That place is after our immune systems fall short. Unfortunately it is not always enough and that’s a little more common these days after decades of eating crap and sedentary lifestyles (I’m looking at me, too, more the former than latter).
Don’t critical think, you will self combust.
let’s stick to the article whilst this happens:
https://twitter.com/search?q=mp%20%C2%A310000&src=typed_query
Lack of vitamin D is directly connected to mental health. In the low countries supplements are provided in order to reduce teenage suicide. The best way to get vitamin D is to walk in the sunshine.
For years the BBC used to add a warning to its weather forecast: don’t spend more than 20 minutes in the sun. Horror! Cancer! Death! This in grey olde Ingerland, where entire summers can flit past without a fortnight of uninterrupted sunshine. Tempted to throw my shoe at the screen instead I became aware of the drip feed of propaganda.
Denial of easily observed phenomena, or common sense, is now called gaslighting. Was the BBC trying to render the population unhealthy or was it simply f**king with our minds in order to undermine our confidence in our own skills of observation.
Vitamin D is the enemy of the drug corporations profits….. it’s absence in our bodies can cause so many minor ailments.
And some major ones!
Rickets.
“Lack of vitamin D is directly connected to mental health.”
Odd, I didn’t know that hot countries had mentally healthier people.
There are a number of people that consider that maintenance of good “mental health” is not a matter which has anything to do with drugs. They usually don’t get to work for big pharma though!
As a Brit who has been living in Cyprus for the past 15 years, I had never thought about it before, but I must say that the people here do appear to be in better mental health than in the UK. You never see a local engaging in deviant acts like walking down the street talking to themselves. There is little violent crime and the streets are safe. Local youth may be boisterous at times, but does not engage in hooliganism or vandalism, apart from graffiti. I wonder if this could be down to the sun and an abundance of vitamin D? Of course, strong family values and extended family ties have to be considered as another factor.
There are probably a lot of factors as you say.
I’ve often thought that in highly seasonal geographies, like the UK, we probably developed a lifestyle around getting through winter (lack of food, dangers from the weather) and conserving energy. SAD might have it’s origins here. It may not jive well with a modern society expecting you to pull 8/9-5 or worse every day all through the winter.
Lack of vitamin D is also connected to asthma. I should know as I cured my asthma with vitamin D and a very relaxed paleo diet. I stopped taking it for a few days since I thought I was getting enough sun in the garden. (Paradoxically, I am spending a lot of time outside during lockdown.) However it probably wasn’t sunny enough since the asthma came back and I had to take my steroids. Back on the vitamin D and I’m fine. I have a great deal of sympathy for people at the moment whose symptoms include shortness of breath. I do think the importance of vitamin D should be more widely known about.
John, the answer to your question I discovered while working in the Emirates. The heat is so intense it is hard to stay outside. The result is that many Arabs suffer a serious vitamin D deficiency. A colleague from Pakistan said they have the same problem. People spend their lives in air conditioned shopping malls or inside the house. They have all the problems that result from that, mental and physical.
is this acceptable to the population as thousands lose their jobs … ?
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/mps-given-10000-extra-to-help-them-work-from-home-during-coronavirus-outbreak
I read that Bob, funny how those bar stewards always have money in the kitty for themselves.
Communities minister’s excuse:
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/communities-secretary-robert-jenrick-defends-150mile-journey-to-second-home-during-coronavirus-lockdown
These political chancers should be arrested if any of them take another £10k bribe when real people are losing their jobs and income. The political class at government and local level should be taking a a 50% wage reduction in these “difficult times”.
A relatively new study is now claiming that a novel human coronavirus that is named severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) (formerly called HCoV-19) that emerged in Wuhan, China causing a pandemic can remain for several hours to days on surfaces and in aerosols, a new study published in the New England Journal of Medicine found. The study suggests that people may acquire the coronavirus through the air and after touching contaminated objects. Scientists discovered the virus is detectable for up to three hours in aerosols, up to four hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to two to three days on plastic and stainless steel. Apparently, the virus was assumed to be physically present in samples taken from the upper and lower respiratory tract of patients and an “inoculum” was obtained for the tests. https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMc2004973. If you click onto the Methods section in the… Read more »
Thank you for this.
The findings in the study you cite about how long the virus can stay active on various surfaces is contradicted by research carried out in Germany by Dr Hendrik Streek, in which no active covid19 viruses were discovered on any surfaces whatsoever in households containing several highly infectious persons. Sadly, I only know this from a German TV interview of Dr Streek, so do not know how his research team tested whether or not the covid19 virus is present in the first place, in active or inactive form. Interesting nonetheless that his research contradicts that published in the NEJM.
Toby,
Thanks for replying, I’m glad that at least somebody agrees with the stuff on alleged pathogenic viruses that I am posting. These viruses get the blame for everything without any concrete and conclusive scientific proof that they are the true cause of anything!
I understand that Dr. Hendrik Streeck is the director of the Institute of Virology and Institute for HIV Research at the University Bonn. He conducted a pilot study and found that contrary to original assumptions, he has not been able to prove transmission via door handles and the like (i.e. so-called smear infections).
Nothing via doorhandles, toilet seats, kitchen surfaces, cloths, hair, in the air, and not even on cats!
I too have come across contradicting research – on aerosol transmission. Cant find the link but described as not the main driver of infection. Then we have tabloids saying we should watch out for joggers breathing on us outdoors. So need to give them a wide swerve. Just think they’ve shut down the country based on hunches and guess work.
Even the distancing measures are arbitrary. Joe Public thinking that at 2 metres they are safe but at 1.9 metres….ooh, don’t know what you might catch. And we have shut down the whole country on the basis of a measurement that some ‘expert’ has plucked out of the air and probably has no effect whatsoever.
Tony
Whats that old saying, rubbish in rubbish out. Very informative post.
Loverat,
You are correct and there’s plenty of rubbish around – anything but the proof that I believe everyone wants, namely, that this alleged disease causing coronavirus physically exists and indeed is infectious. But that won’t happen.
Unfortunately, the powers that be have been coming up with all sorts of rubbish that people are nevertheless falling for and making out that this ‘pandemic’ is all down to this deadly virus as its the easiest way to con the population who have been indoctrinated by medical propaganda and germ theory for decades. While at the same time the economy and financial system continues on its downward spiral into oblivion.
blinded by ‘science’
No blinded by the dogma that speaks in the name of science: for it is not founded on sufficient or any reproducible observation/experiment, nor does it take into account any counter-observation/experiment. Its also as is usually the case of dogma illogical.
Steadydirt,
Do you mean that I am blinded by science, or you are blinded by science or we are all blinded by science?? Please be a bit more specific.
If science is the problem then I can put things in very simple terms. The alleged deadly coronavirus or its ‘mutations’ has never been proven to physically exist by any scientist to date. I am not saying viruses do not exist, I am questioning the idea that single virus is or can be the cause of a single disease. I would further argue those who hold that coronavirus is the sole cause of Covid-19 symptoms that cannot be proven either unless all other interfering and intersecting causes can be effectively excluded which is extremely unlikely if not impossible.
This interview has me puzzled. It feels scripted and as if it could just be controlled opposition pushing out limited truth but when I looked up Senator Jensen he seems – unbelievably – to be genuine. Surely not. I’ll try emailing him and see what response I get. There’s no point in endlessly pointing out the many and varied anomalies. Call it out for what it is – a Trauma-based Mind Control Psychological Operation in the guise of a live pandemic exercise – and look at the fallout. My speciality is analysing the psyops themselves not the fallout but I know that the fallout is the most important “part” of the psyop. OffG has published a few articles on this which is great … and we need more. Although they love hoaxing us anyway and maintaining a constant level of fear for better control, the fallout from this psyop is… Read more »
“This interview has me puzzled. It feels scripted”
WHy don’t you just listen to what is being said. Maybe they rehearsed it beforehand!
John, I did listen and, as you can see, I transcribed part of it above. All that’s said is good but it still feels scripted – not saying it is – because as I say – I think Jensen looks genuine. When everything you get in the media is just straight lies or controlled opposition it’s hard to believe something genuine when it comes along.
Hi Petra,
In the pilot study by Dr Hendrik Streeck I have just referred to in my reply to Toby. Hendrik stated the he was not surprised that 31 out of 40 people died in the Heinsberg district.
” One of the deceased was older than 100 years, so even a common cold could have led to death”. Hendrik said.
Thanks, Tony. Obviously, massive scientific fraud is going on. The mind boggles, doesn’t it?
See this comment thread for what I believe exposes fraud on SARS-CoV-2 sequencing:
https://off-guardian.org/2020/04/08/coronavirus-fact-check-2-the-emergency-powers-will-only-last-2-years/#comment-142680
Obviously, the way they’ve conjured up “asymptomatic” and “false-positives” as if they’re two categories although they cannot be distinguished is another example of fraud, no? To me, this is a real litmus test. How can they possibly come up with these two categories without fraud? How can they know that a positive test for an allegedly asymptomatic infected person is not simply a false-positive?
– asymptomatic – infected but no symptoms
– false-positive – test positive but without infection
https://revealingfraud.com/2020/03/health/an-epidemiologist-reveals-circular-reasoning-is-used-to-support-the-validity-of-test-kits/
A further category might be symptomatic false positive in other words a cold.
Hi Petra, Yes, you can test positive and be ‘asymptomatic’ i.e. and not necessarily have any symptoms, and also test ‘positive’ without infection, due to the test not being carried out correctly or for other reasons discussed below. But that’s only according to their logic. The antibody tests for coronavirus are similar to those for HIV and both have never been properly validated as far as I am aware, which means nobody knows what their results really mean. Since the tests are chemical reactions to antigens, which are substances that provoke an immune response. Many dozens of conditions can produce a positive result on these tests, including various prescription drugs that combine with proteins, drug abuse, toxins, flu vaccinations, past infection with malaria or other diseases, pregnancy, and liver disease, which can all produce a positive result when tested for coronavirus. Also, in any sample of the general population, a… Read more »
Interested to ask, someone linked to two pages the other day. One is a paper (with a slightly suspicious name, I must say) called “SARS-CoV-2: an Emerging Coronavirus that Causes a Global Threat” in which they mention isolating the virus, and the other was a long list of ‘subsamples’ recorded by lots of countries.
I don’t know enough about isolating viruses to have an opinion, but I can dig out the links, if you would like a look?
Yes, please do!
By all means, these were the links. I should have noted who posted them, but I forgot, apologies for that.
SARS-CoV-2 (Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/genbank/sars-cov-2-seqs/
Genomic epidemiology of novel coronavirus – Global subsampling
https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global
This was one of the links I meant to post, Tony. Getting a bit tangled up in links, like a comically trailing phone cord.
SARS-CoV-2: an Emerging Coronavirus that Causes a Global Threat – 20 March 2020
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7098030/
Perhaps I should be able to work this out myself by now but I have to admit that my eyes glaze over easily in the presence of lots of scientific words. What do you think of these alleged isolations? I’ll really pay attention this time where allegedly the whole genome has been sequenced.
Nepal
https://mra.asm.org/content/9/11/e00169-20?fbclid=IwAR057luds2a_GEUpIYABOYRi18eCU3MtqURFnASIzxVrHJDBm_kjgyNXUm0
Petra,
No! they didn’t isolate the complete viral genome that they claim. They did not use untrafiltration and unltracentrifugation, they never specified the density gradient in g/ml at what the alleged virus banded at, there do not appear to be any electron micrographs showing any pure virus particles and nothing else in the samples they obtained. When they use the term “isolate” that does not imply pure isolated virus particles, which these isolates can contain along with other particles that are not viruses such as exosomes and cell debris.
All they used was a GenBank reference to compare the RNA stretches they found and then used RT-PCR to amplify them. The size and shape of the viral particles were never specified either. And Koch’s principles were never used in order to prove the virus was the cause of infection and Covid-19.
Thanks so much, Tony. I’ll take your word for it, it’s simply too scientific and detailed for me.
Petra,
The problem is with these so-called ‘scientific’ papers they use all sorts of jargon an acronyms that are specific to their discipline. Unfortunately, we have to learn the language and the concepts they use to see through the smoke and mirrors and its not always easy to do.
That’s why you shouldn’t take anybody’s word for anything unless you are sure the arguments make any sense. After all, what else can you do? In the last analysis as we say, science itself rests purely on faith and belief and nothing is cast in stone.
Completely agree, however, sometimes you need to defer to experts because you simply don’t know enough. What I prefer to do is use evidence for aspects I can understand (I think there’s sufficient without lack of virus isolation), however, I’d dearly love to be able to state confidently with clear evidence that the virus has not been isolated.
So is there a virus you believe has been isolated as claimed with the paper showing the correct method used?
And with Koch’s principles used to prove virus was cause of infection.
Petra, Dr Stefan Lanka from Klein-Klein-Aktion has published three papers concerning a virus he isolated called the Ectocarpus Silculosus virus. This virus is not pathogenic and is therefore harmless and neither are the millions of viruses that exist in just one cm3 of sea-water! The publications are listed below: 1.Title: A Virus Infection in the Marine Brown Alga Ectocarpus siliculosus (Phaeophyceae) Authors: D.G. Müller, H. Kawai, B. Stache, and S. Lanka, Botanica Acta 103 (1990) 72-82 2.Title: Genome Structure of a Virus Infecting the Marine Brown Alga Ectocarpus siliculosus Authors: Stefan T.J. LANKA, Michael KLEIN, Uwe RAMSPERGER, Dieter G. MÜLLER, and Rolf KNIPPERS, Virology 193, 802-811 (1993) 3.Title: Coat Protein of the Ectocarpus siliculosus Virus, Authors: Michael KLEIN, Stefan T.J. LANKA, Rolf KNIPPERS, and Dieter G. MÜLLER; Virology 206, 520-526 (1995). These scientific papers demonstrate the techniques Dr Lanka used to isolate the E. Siliculosus virus and are reproducible. If… Read more »
Thanks, Tony.
So as far as Dr Lanka is concerned is the virus E. Siliculosus virus the only virus proven to be isolated and cause of infection?
Is that the only virus he and his colleagues have ever tried to isolate?
Petra,
No, it doesn’t cause ‘infection’ in that sense at all it is a harmless virus as are retroviruses present in the cells of human beings. The whole question regarding the conception and theory of viruses needs to be completely revised and re-formulated.
Sorry, Tony, of course, you said it was harmless. OK, I think I agree with you re revision but I think with the subject of viruses being so controversial I’m probably going to minimise lack of isolation and proof of infection in my argument as I’m simply not knowledgeable enough and I’d rather stick to elements that are non-controversial.
I’d dearly love to argue for lack of isolation and proof of infection but I’m too lacking in knowledge and the fact that it’s so controversial means you can just go back and forth with people endlessly or they will simply reject your argument. What a shame but it’s just so interesting how controversial the subject is.
Petra,
Virology as it currently stands is controversial. The problem is people do not realize the fact because of the constant brainwashing with germ theory. Asking for proof of pathogenic viruses is only one way to deal with the problem.
The other is to attack the theory of alleged ‘pathogenic viruses’ itself internally (internal critique) by demonstrating that the theory is based on concepts of objects and phenomena and the relations between them that are incoherent and therefore invalid. If the theory is wrong then whatever the theory purports to explain (its objects and phenomena) will not work out in practice.
There are no pathogenic viruses that exist independently of the theories in which they are specified. To argue otherwise means that you can step outside of scientific theory into the real to see if they are really there which is impossible!
Thanks, Tony. Will be interesting to see when the paradigm shift necessary will be made.
They knew it was all going to happen at least as far back as the London Olympics. Check this out. Don’t you love the very obviously coronavirus-particle designed arena!
https://archive.org/details/2012-london-games-predictive-programming-1
Petra,
Coronavirus derives from “corona” which is the field around high voltage electricity, and common voltage is known to contain something else (scalar waves). Virus derives from the Latin meaning “poison”. Coronavirus = poisoning by electromagnetic means. Something for you to think about!
That is very, very interesting, Tony. I read someone else say that corona means crown and virus means attack so “attack by the crown”. I know there’s heaps of stuff linking coronavirus and 5G but surely everyone will be exposed to 5G so wouldn’t it poison all of us – unless the rich will have their own protection they don’t tell us about? Your point is very, very interesting and there may well be something in it.
Petra, Usually what happens when the elite initiates another phase in their ‘quiet war’, symbols usually appear on the scene with occult (hidden) meanings such as coronavirus i.e. ‘corona’ and ‘virus’ Such symbols can also have multiple meanings and interpretations. “Virus” for example, can also mean an electromagnetic disease pattern, because if you disrupt the normal EM functioning of the cells you automatically become diseased. You don’t need material virus particles to do that, and despite the fact that all chemistry at base level is electromagnetic anyway and is all about electrical charges and charge distributions. Our real physical body is also electromagnetic and not just an assembly of atoms and molecules. Without a preceding structured higher order EM template there would be no form to our physical body. “Corona” can also mean crown as you state but the ‘Crown’ does not necessarily imply the sovereign power in a monarchy… Read more »
Wow! A long rabbit hole to go down. Thanks for that, Tony.
Just watched Andrew Kaufman’s latest video on the fraudulence of papers on SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19. Very illuminating.
Hi Tony, Don’t know if you’re still around but I have a question. It was puzzling me that there seems to be only one instance of a virus ever having been isolated and that that virus is harmless yet people are diagnosed with viruses all the time so I wondered what the gold standard was for other viruses. I checked Epstein-Barr, pneumonia and influenza and in each case it doesn’t seem to be anything to do with isolation of the virus but rather manifestation of the virus’s presence one way or another. So it would seem isolation is not a method even used to detect viruses but rather the method used is to look for evidence of manifestation. In the case of COVID-19 the symptoms do not seem to be distinguishable from other coronaviruses so would it be reasonable to argue against the virus that as its symptoms are not… Read more »
Just to add: I should say symptoms or other manifestation as is used for other viruses, eg, presence of antigens.
Hi Admin2: Neither of the links you posted below seem to point to a paper with the above title. I’d be very interested to see the above paper, i.e. the one that mentions isolating the virus. You don’t have another link do you?
Thanks.
Oh gosh, so many links, so confusing. Try this one?
SARS-CoV-2: an Emerging Coronavirus that Causes a Global Threat – 20 March 2020
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7098030/
Apologies.
Thanks Admin2 for your rapid reply! Actually I’d found it by google about 6 minutes earlier. Sorry to have troubled you – I should have googled for it first. *blush*.
Hi again Admin2: It’s ok, found it via google:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7098030/
Cheers.
Thanks, Tony, what you say is helping me to get my head around it more and more. The thing is even by THEIR logic how can they distinguish between an asymptomatic carrier and a false positive (assuming false negatives are also possible which they acknowledge). If an alleged asymptomatic carrier tests again and is negative how do they know that they hadn’t simply recovered or that the test result was a false negative. Similarly, if they test a false-positive showing no symptoms again and the test result is negative how do they know that that result is not simply a false negative. According to their logic surely an asymptomatic carrier and a false-positive are the same and the distinction is completely arbitrary and made up … like the rest of the show. By their own logic they cannot distinguish and I think that is very significant. As this event shows… Read more »
Tony, This is as the poster, Fauxlex, claims a “bombshell”, don’t you think? I know you think that the virus can’t be isolated anyway but this is still very interesting.
https://pieceofmindful.com/2020/04/06/bombshell-who-coronavirus-pcr-test-primer-sequence-is-found-in-all-human-dna
The poster, Fauxlex, has discovered the following:
The sequence “CTCCCTTTGTTGTGTTGT” is an 18-character primer sequence found in the WHO coronavirus PCR testing protocol document. The primer sequences are what get amplified by the PCR process in order to be detected and designated a “positive” test result. It just so happens this exact same 18-character sequence, verbatim, is also found on Homo sapiens chromosome 8! As far as I can tell, this means that the WHO test kits should find a positive result in all humans. Can anyone explain this otherwise?
Hi Petra,
It looks like they are grasping at straws with PCR. The only way primer sequences can work effectively is when they are specific to the virus. But, the problem remains how can the primers be specific to the virus if it’s never been isolated to use as a gold standard for the primers? The same applies to the probes used for hybridisation assays, including PCR probes and primers; these are usually grown in cell cultures taken from patients that can contain sources of nucleic acid other than from the alleged virus itself or even from normal gene sequences.
Its precisely because there is no virus to use as the gold standard to compare PCR against that its accuracy remains unknown so you can get a huge number of false positives if the patients have similar sequences that are nothing to do with any virus.
OK, so do you think I should write to the researchers mentioned in this article and ask for the information you specify? https://sunnybrook.ca/research/media/item.asp?f=covid-19-isolated-2020&i=2069 I truly wonder the level of dishonesty going on here. In the text below which is on a page linked to from the page above there are words here that seem as if they’re “psyop” type words, that is, they’re obviously not quite right (they always give us the clues). Arinjay Banerjee, a postdoctoral researcher at McMaster’s Institute for Infectious Disease Research, specializes in coronaviruses and in bats, a rare combination that gave him the ideal qualifications to collaborate with colleagues from Sunnybrook Health Sciences Centre and the University of Toronto on the project. Comment: bolded words don’t make sense. The team isolated severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), the agent responsible for the ongoing outbreak of COVID-19, believed to have jumped to humans from bats… Read more »
Actually, “specialises in coronaviruses and in bats” I guess does make sense but the expression seems very odd to me.
Hi Petra, The paper I’m working on at the moment already claims to have isolated the virus for the first time Zhu N, Zhang D, Wang W, Li X, Yang B, Song J. et al. A Novel Coronavirus from Patients with Pneumonia in China, 2019. N Engl J Med. 2020 [Epub ahead of print] [Google Scholar]. I believe that’s the same paper that Dr Andrew Kaufman referred to in his video presentations (which keep disappearing and re-surfacing) and the ‘virus’ turned out to be harmless exosomes that our cells produce on a daily basis and also in conditions involving assaults on the body by pathogenic factors which do not involve any alleged disease causing viruses. Exosomes are excretions of toxic cells and are a response to illness or disease and not a cause of it. They have also been found facilitate healing by devouring toxic matter. Dr Kaufman has quoted… Read more »
Hi again Tony, It is so frustrating not having a clue about the science of virology. With 9/11 it was so easy – even if you don’t understand physics or controlled demolition very well, it’s easy to see that it’s what brought the buildings down. This is a critical comment by commenter, memeingitis, of Dr Kaufman’s video. What is your response? ——————————————— Dr Kaufman is getting the antigen test and antibody tests mixed up, he seems to think they are one thing. They are two different types of tests, and test for two different things entirely. RT-PCR is the antigen test we are currently using, which looks for the viral rna in a sequenced DNA sample, which is specific to this new virus – it is not just looking for any random RNA found in the sample which is the point he seems to be making. These do have a… Read more »
Hi Petra,
Whoever made that comment is the one who is mixed up! Kaufman does no such thing – he states the “RT-PCR actually tests for host RNA from exosomes” there is no mention of antibodies or antibody tests at all so how does he mix them up?
PCR is an antigen test but for it to work you first have to have the complete viral genome as the gold standard for comparing the stretches of RNA or DNA (the alleged antigenic substances) that you find with those of the specific virus you are looking for.
Since they have never isolated and purified the virus in the first place how is that possible? The gold standard is the complete virus including the genome and proteins, not bits and pieces of genetic substance or proteins alleging to come from a virus that may not physically exist.
Right, Tony, I had no recollection of him mentioning antibodies and antigens as you say. Thank you. I will relay this back to memeingitis. I’ve also asked them to direct me to a paper proving isolation of the virus so we’ll see what they come back with if anything.
Petra,
I can’t wait to see it!
Just to add, I feel much safer saying “no virus” from the psyop point of view. Obviously, for a psyop everything is planned and they’re not going to go around the world following a real virus, that’s absurd. However, theoretically there could be a virus, it’s just that their operation wouldn’t be formed around the virus – the nature of the virus could be that it’s just out there everywhere and they somehow fold it into their operation. It really makes me think of a magician’s trick.
Taking a step back and looking at the social impact of Covid-19 within the context of the Internet… The Internet didn’t have to be this way. When it opened up to the public people began seeking others with common interests and forming groups. Friending existed but as a subset. Then Lifelog became Facebook and the focus became the self. People were encouraged to compete with each other for status, achieved by exposing themselves, logging their connections, creating timelines and documenting with evidence every facet of their lives. Common interest was lost in a competition to tell you about me. Social distancing could not have happened without this. It, too, has a competitive edge which can be summarized as “keep yourself away from me. There are approved mechanisms for social interaction. Use them”. Was this planned? Neither is organic. Reuters news agency sent around the world footage of a man loudly… Read more »
Social distancing could not have happened without this. It, too, has a competitive edge which can be summarized as “keep yourself away from me. There are approved mechanisms for social interaction. Use them”. Yes. We are seeing the emergence of elaborate rituals for even the most mundane interactions, on a level of intricacy that would confuse even the most devoted student of 17th century Vatican court etiquette. I feel like I’ve been transported onto some alien world with centuries of internalized and tacit expectations I just don’t have. “How dare you walk parallel for even a moment on this 12 ft wide path with me!”, “How dare you reach past me to key in an authorization code at self check-out!”, “You mean someone came to your door? They rang the bell and expected you to open it? Horror! Now I see people walking around with cutesy homemade masks, bedecked with… Read more »
“STAY HOME THIS EASTER WEEKEND” shout the government’s illuminated street signs. You may kill a relative ! Think I will go visit my mother in law.
I am just so full of There are so many questions that the media should be asking the government right now, but they are not, because of that we should assume that all our journalists allowed near ministers are are just state actors working for MI5. I see no other answer.
How is the health of the British people served by locking them in their homes depriving them of holidays, sunlight, exercise, regular medical treatments, work, their income and for many, human companionship? According to projections from imperial college how many additional people are you condemning to death through this policy of house arrest ?
“we should assume that all our journalists allowed near ministers are are just state actors working for MI5” You are confused. The state is the country – the United Kingdom. The government (of the UK) are in charge of the UK. Boris Johnson’s government tells MI5/MI6 and all the rest of the military what to do, not the other way around. This country’s leadership may be clueless, but this is not a military dictatorship (not yet anyway!) I believe that there may well be MI5/MI6 agents in the media. I remember reading somewhere that the BBC’s Frank Gardner who was shot in Saudi Arabia is known to have links to MI6. I would think it extremely likely that Mark Urban is also associated with such organisations. Maybe there are some who are secretly in the pay of military intelligence, but a lot of them, perhaps the majority, are I would… Read more »
If only that were true. If it were we’d have deviation of foreign and economic policy which has been consistent for 45 years.
“The government (of the UK) are in charge of the UK. Boris Johnson’s government tells MI5/MI6 and all the rest of the military what to do, not the other way around”
That was the theory. Between the lobbyists and the spooks stand the marionettes called the government. At least in the Five-Eyes countries.
You could have perhaps tried to explain to Harold wilson that ‘he was in charge’, but I think he would have disagreed with you, given he was terrorised in office, even back in the 60’s/70’s and lucky to avoid a military coup against his government in 72.
Robin cook might also have had a few things to say on the subject, but of course he is not around to say anymore, since 3 weeks after exposing CIA operations against Russia in the Guardian.
You should also check out Will selfs reporting of a senior military commander in the UK who stated that the UK military is a devision of the US military and has no autonomy at all, it cannot act independently. That will also be the case for MI5 and MI6. And what is
We’ve got to keep hammering away at this twisted fuckery:
https://www.anti-empire.com/deputy-chief-medical-officer-for-england-these-are-covid-associated-deaths-not-deaths-as-a-result-of-covid/
Possible covid associated. I don’t have the link to hand, but it has also been stated that they can put covid19 on death certificates even without a test, simply if if is merely suspected.
(Perhaps someone has a link?)
Sorry Reg, I think that was what you were saying. The fudging of the figures makes it all very difficult.
The Italian healthy authority the ISI have been advised that their covidised deaths are overstated by 90%.
This is dealt with in a previous offg article…
https://off-guardian.org/2020/04/05/covid19-death-figures-a-substantial-over-estimate/
You should be aware that the US is so backwards that it does not have enough tests to test the people who want or need it.
And you seem to be saying that the US is deliberately inflating the number of corona virus deaths. To make the US look bad, or what? Do you think the Dem and Repub corporate politicians have some agenda to keep the US economy half shut down?
“And you seem to be saying that the US is deliberately inflating the number of corona virus deaths. To make the US look bad, or what?”
Did you even read the article?
“In fact the governments of Italy, Germany, the UK and Austria all doing the same thing. “
“Do you think the Dem and Repub corporate politicians have some agenda to keep the US economy half shut down?” Yes – but it’s global. The repo fiaso beginning, last mid-September, signalled the beginning of the endgame for the current international monetary and financial system based on the US Dollar. Now, all the major central banks are pusuing policies which will inevitably result in hyperinflation and the destruction of the current monetary paradigm. This ‘epidemic’ allows the authorities to install the security structure, which from their point of view will be necessary to maintain public order as this colossus heads for the floor, and keep control. They are trying to get ‘ahead of the curve’. However, the world is too complex for them to control, and would be so even if they were not incompetent and divided, which they are. The events of the past few weeks have set into… Read more »
Now, all the major central banks are pusuing policies which will inevitably result in hyperinflation and the destruction of the current monetary paradigm. To wit: This morning the Bank of England announced it would directly fund government spending during the Covid-19 crisis. [1] This is a huge breakthrough for Positive Money and very welcome news for everyone during the current crisis. By allowing the Treasury to spend without increasing public debt, the Bank of England has ensured the government will not struggle to fund its spending on coronavirus and simultaneously undermined any arguments for coronavirus austerity before they’ve even taken hold! For years politicians used high levels of public debt as an excuse to justify brutal spending cuts. Now that excuse is well and truly shattered. That’s a cut-n-paste from a newsletter I received from Positive Money yesterday, which links to this Daily Mail article I haven’t read it, but… Read more »
Your link doesn’t work, Toby. Please paste below and I’ll fix it. A2
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8203535/Government-borrow-billions-Bank-England-emergency-ways-means-overdraft.html
Thanks A2! Probably because it comes from a newsletter with data about the originating email.
The assumption behind your question would seem to be that this thing really must be a threat to many lives, otherwise they wouldn’t shut down half of the economy.
Don’t take it personally Stan, but the idea that the authorities would shut down half of the economy to save tens of thousands of their subjects’ lives is ludicrous, especially given that those people – presumably the old and weak – constitute a massive net drain on societal resources, which would otherwise be available to plunder.
” And you seem to be saying that the US is deliberately inflating the number of corona virus deaths. ”
To justify the lockdown.
USA, simply overflowing with paranoid psychopaths. The virus will have a field day.
All these “claps” are the most patronizing bullshit. There’s even a sadistic element. Not that the ones who are being encouraged to clap mean harm. But the overall effect is like the workers in a slaughterhouse clapping the animals before carving them up.
Conformism.
the clapping times should not be allowed to clash with the quiet snooze times of these doctor nurse hero. many of my doctor friends have awoke in shock by the noises of the clap
if you are an nhs angel and half asleep the clapping can seem creapy as hell
an end to clapping eye says it is as freaky as whistling
how about quiet sing song
jerusalem
or angels by that tired looking fellow robbie williams
Better pay the NHS workers than afford them a condescending desultory round of applause. Parasitic MPs award themselves pay rises and bonuses. Then off on holiday. Nice enough weather, at least.
Social distancing was invented so as to give politicians “plausible credibility”: you might think a low death rate was a sign they had overreacted but, no! It’s proof of success! No danger neither of Occupy 2020. Medically there is no support for the efficacy of social distancing – particularly when compounded by isolation and lack of vitamin D. That is why we have sanatoriums. Isolate the sick people and let everyone else go to work. Think about that when you are told to support social distancing. Social contact is the one of the primary predictors of longevity, as has been found time and again. Communities of Spanish descent, even those living in relative poverty, display longevity attributed to their customs of social contact and caring. As for virii… trillions of the little buggers live within the human body. Think about that when a snake oil salesman says he’s got the… Read more »
“Social distancing was invented so as to give politicians “plausible credibility” – “plausible credibility” – great line and right on the money.
and finally
enjoy
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As an addendum:
https://www.anti-empire.com/theyre-claiming-john-prine-rip-legend-as-a-covid-victim-even-though-he-had-pneumonia-and-was-a-lung-cancer-survivor/
He didn’t live here anyway …