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The Seven-Step Path from Pandemic to Totalitarianism There are just seven steps from pandemic declaration to permanent totalitarianism – and many jurisdictions are about to start Step 5

Rosemary Frei

As if it was planned in advance, billions of people around the globe are being forced step by rapid step into a radically different way of life, one that involves far less personal, physical and financial freedom and agency.

Here is the template for rolling this out.

Step 1

A new virus starts to spread around the world. The World Health Organization (WHO) declares a pandemic.

International agencies, public-health officials, politicians, media and other influential voices fan fear by focusing almost exclusively on the contagiousness of the virus and the rising numbers of cases, and by characterizing the virus as extremely dangerous.

Within a few days governments at national and local levels also declare states of emergency. At lightning speed they impose lock-down measures that confine most people to their homes – starting with closing schools – and shut down much of the global economy. World markets implode.

The stunned, fearful and credulous public – convinced over the previous few years that their bodies do not have the natural ability to react to pathogens by producing antibodies that confer long-lasting immunity – largely complies willingly.

The first weekly virtual class on local emergency and crisis responses to COVID19 is held for mayors and other city officials around the world. Coordinated by a handful of American organizations in the academic, medical, financial, political and transportation spheres, the classes feature guests ranging from Barack Obama to Bill Gates.

Step 2

National, state/provincial and municipal leaders, as well as public-health officials, start daily press briefings. They use them to pump out frightening statistics and modelling asserting the virus has the potential to kill many millions.

Most of this information is hard to decipher and sheds little real light on the natural course of the virus’s spread through each geographic area.

Officials and media downplay or distort inconveniently low death tolls from the virus and instead focus on alarming statistics produced by compliant academics, social-media influencers and high-profile organizations.

The main message is that this is a war and many lives are at stake unless virtually everybody stays at home. Mainstream media amplify the trope that the world is at the mercy of the virus.

Simultaneously, central banks and governments hand out massive amounts of cash largely to benefit the big banks. And they bring in giant private-sector financial firms to manage the process despite these global companies’ very poor track record in the 2008-2009 crash. Governments also rapidly start to create trillions of pounds’ worth of programs that include compensating businesses and workers for their shutdown-related losses.

Step 3

There is a concerted effort by all levels of government and public health to very rapidly ramp up testing for viral RNA, along with production of personal protective equipment.

They push aside the need for regulation, including quality standards and independent verification of tests’ rates of accuracy, by insisting that fast approval and roll-out are imperative for saving lives.

Models are released that predict snowballing of numbers of cases, hospitalizations and deaths even under best-case scenarios.

At about the same time, public-health officials significantly loosen the criteria for viral infections, outbreaks and deaths, particularly in the oldest members of society. That increases the numbers of cases and deaths ascribed to the new pathogen.

The media continue to clamour for more testing and for severe punishment of people who aren’t completely compliant with the lock-down measures.

As a result, there’s little backlash as police and military with sweeping new powers enforce these measures and give stiff penalties or even jail terms to those who disobey orders. States also monitor with impunity massive numbers of people’s movements via their cellphones.

Vast human resources are focused on tracking down people who have had contact with a virus-positive individual and confining them to their homes. Thus the portion of the public exposed to the virus remains relatively small.

It also contributes to social isolation. Among many effects, this enables those in control to even further erase individual and collective choices, voices and power.

Step 4

When the numbers of cases and deaths start to plateau, local officials claim it’s too early to tell whether the virus has finished passing through their population and therefore, restrictive measures must continue.

An alternative narrative is that if such measures aren’t kept in place there will be a resurgence of cases and deaths. Yet another is that the continuing climb in elderly persons’ deaths means all bets are off for the time being.

They admit that initial models incorrectly predicted there would be a tsunami of cases, ICU admissions and deaths. However, they assert more time is needed before it can be determined whether it’s safe to loosen some of the restrictions and let children return to school or adults go back to work.

Officials do not try to calculate the overall skyrocketing cost to their populations and economies of the shut-downs and other measures against, nor do they discuss what cost level may be too high.

They and powerful media organizations also push for the massive virus-testing over-capacity to be used to surveil the general population for viral RNA in their bodies. At the same time, the roll-out begins of widespread blood testing for antibodies to the virus.

Meanwhile, new data are published showing the virus has a high capacity to mutate. Scientists and officials interpret this as meaning a larger medical arsenal will be needed to combat it.

Image source: The Spectator

Step 5

About two or three weeks later, the dramatic increase in testing for viral RNA produces the desired goal of a significant upsurge in the number of people found positive for the virus.

Public-health officials add jet fuel to the surge by adding to their case and death tallies the large number of people who are only suspected – and not lab-test-confirmed – to have had an infection. Politicians and public-health officials tell the populace this means they cannot return to their jobs or other activities outside the home for the time being.

Governments work with public-health agencies, academics, industry, the WHO and other organizations to start to design and implement immunity-passport systems for using the results of the widespread antibody testing to determine who can be released from the lock-downs. This is one of many goals of the seven steps.

Meanwhile, government leaders continue to highlight the importance of vaccines for besting the virus.

Step 6

Large-scale human testing of many different types of antivirals and vaccines begins, thanks to a concerted push from the WHO, Bill Gates and his collaborators, pharmaceutical and biotech companies, governments and universities.

Large swaths of the population don’t have the antibodies to the virus because they’ve been kept from being exposed to it; they eagerly accept these medications even though they’ve been rushed to market with inadequate safety testing. They believe these medical products offer the only hope for escaping the virus’s clutches.

Step 7

Soon the new virus starts another cycle around the globe – just as influenza and other viruses have every year for millennia. Officials again fan the flames of fear by positing the potential for millions of deaths among people not yet protected from the virus.

They rapidly roll out virus and antibody testing again, while companies sell billions more doses of antivirals and booster vaccines.

Governments simultaneously cede control of all remaining public assets to global companies. This is because local and national governments’ tax bases were decimated during Step 1 and they’re virtually bankrupt from their unprecedented spending in the war against the virus in the other steps.

The overall result is complete medicalization of the response to the virus, which on a population level is no more harmful than influenza.

This is coupled with the creation of permanent totalitarianism controlled by global companies and a 24/7 invasive-surveillance police state supported by widespread blossoming of ‘smart’ technology.

The key players repeat the cycle of hysteria and massive administration of antivirals and booster shots every few months.

And they implement a variation of steps 1 to 7 when another new pathogen appears on the planet.

Sounds far-fetched? Unfortunately, it’s not.

With the arrival of COVID19 many countries quickly completed Steps 1, 2 and 3.

Step 4 is well under way in a large number of jurisdictions.

Step 5 is on track to start in early May.

Rosemary Frei has an MSc in molecular biology from a faculty of medicine and was a freelance medical writer and journalist for 22 years. She is now an independent investigative journalist in Toronto, Ontario. You can find her earlier article on the novel coronavirus for Off-Guardian here, watch and listen to an interview she gave on COVID19 and follow her on Twitter.

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bobby
bobby
Oct 16, 2020 5:28 AM

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Marc
Marc
Oct 9, 2020 4:13 PM

…the ultimate conspiracy theory. Gimme a break…

dsadasd
dsadasd
Aug 10, 2020 6:52 PM

Well, it didn’t really pan out as you’ve said here…

zdb
zdb
Aug 16, 2020 6:39 AM
Reply to  dsadasd

Yet?
seen New Zealand or Australia yet?

Derek Brent
Derek Brent
Oct 17, 2020 5:17 PM
Reply to  zdb

No. Maybe I’m too old to go!

mike
mike
Aug 1, 2020 6:51 PM

Step8: Force “immunizations” or you cannot buy or sell anything. Sound familiar?

Tronald Dump
Tronald Dump
Jul 31, 2020 3:03 AM

Lol, great fanfic, bud. Ridiculous.

Hidin Biden
Hidin Biden
Jul 31, 2020 3:23 AM
Reply to  Tronald Dump

How so? Is this not what is laid out almost verbatim in the Rockefeller Foundation’s Operation Lockstep?

Deuce
Deuce
Jul 31, 2020 5:09 PM
Reply to  Tronald Dump

Which part didn’t happen? Did you notice this was written months ago. Seems she predicted the future with stunning accuracy. Is she telepathic, from the future? Or is this an obvious, stated and predictable plan by the usual gang of crooks. I’ll note that nearly 40 years later people still believe the HIV/ AIDS hypothesis. Fauci’s first Big Fraud. He discovered HiV and retroviruses you know. Except he didn’t. But he lied under oath that he did for some 10 years. Right now, today, this minute, the NiH,on its own .gov website states clearly that you can have AIDS without HiV or any HIV antibodies. How many times have you been told the opposite? How many ‘peer reviewed’ scientific publications claim “HIV is the cause of AIDS”. Except when it isn’t. HIV ‘passed’ Koch’s Postulates with this absurd disclaimer. In plain English that means it didn’t pass at all. Two Nobel Prize winners deny the hypothesis. AIDS has equal correlation to pneumonia and fungal infections as it does to HiV. And it’s positive, meaning both happen and correlate above baseline rates. Priceless. COVID 19 hasn’t even yet been fully isolated, much less passed through Koch’s Postulates. There is no scientific basis to make any claim about it’s effects or symptoms. NOTHING is proven or verifiable. We’ve heard this song before. From the same singer. But who has time for the scientific facts when you have a TV to dictate your every word, thought, and action to you? So smug. “Look how much smarter I am than all you because I have a screen on my wall that tells me what to think and do”. Sad….

slobotnavich
slobotnavich
Jul 31, 2020 12:06 AM

This is the ultimate wet dream for the statist vermin who lurk among us, dreaming of a one-world government to have all the peasants (us) marching in lockstep to their spastic cadence. And if they win it’s “game over” for freedom and personal choice – in EVERYTHING. Welcome to the USSR and Red China. Hope you’ll enjoy your daily ration of watery gruel in which the flies and maggots become prized cuisine.

Derek Brent
Derek Brent
Oct 17, 2020 5:19 PM
Reply to  slobotnavich

So, just like parts of the USA then?

Marko green
Marko green
Jun 30, 2020 11:04 PM

Not so many folk blaming the Russian’s right now are there?

John C. A. Manley
John C. A. Manley
May 31, 2020 8:46 PM

What extraordinary timing that this thorough article exposing how nursing homes were be turned into death traps was published on the same day the Canadian Armed Forces released their report on the deplorable conditions of Ontario nursing homes: Cockroaches, Not COVID, Killing Nursing Home Residents in Ontario

drk
drk
May 21, 2020 4:33 AM

beautiful people wake up before is too late, https://tinyurl.com/ybcma4s9
#debunkthisfauci mirror and share it with everyone!

Frank
Frank
May 5, 2020 5:21 PM

I hope you people do know that this is a Russian propaganda website.

Do your research. This article is such bullshit

If Rosemary wrote this article in JANUARY, it might have some credence. She wrote it a week ago and just made sure the steps fit her warped narrative.

Brad
Brad
May 5, 2020 6:18 PM
Reply to  Frank

LOL… I didn’t know there was anyone gullible enough remaining to fall for the ‘Russian propaganda’ line. Umm, in case you hadn’t noticed, that’s over and it was all a scam. Be a good boy now and line for your vaccination.

Clemens Klein
Clemens Klein
May 6, 2020 7:29 AM
Reply to  Frank

OMG, Frank! It seems very much, that the only book you´ve read is Hillary Clintons Book about her own creation – the Russia-Hoax.
You may line up for your vaccination – I don´t!

drk
drk
May 21, 2020 4:32 AM
Reply to  Frank

beautiful people wake up before is too late, https://tinyurl.com/ybcma4s9
#debunkthisfauci mirror and share it with everyone!

nooruz
nooruz
Jun 21, 2020 10:57 PM
Reply to  Frank

frank you should be executed
 

Milan Pandit
Milan Pandit
Jul 24, 2020 10:47 AM
Reply to  Frank

Your full of shit matey russian propaganda only propaganda out their is this false flag virus being used to usher in the nwo

Dawn Leighton
Dawn Leighton
May 5, 2020 3:49 PM

You are spot on this has been a long time in the making and now its here we need to wake everyone up about this. This is our freedom we are losing because once it’s gone its gone

Brad
Brad
May 5, 2020 6:23 PM
Reply to  Dawn Leighton

People are going to trample each other running to get the vaccine because their ignorance has been cultivated for many years now… They love their enslavement and look upon anyone else who exhibits independence and disobedience to this regiment with scorn

Derek Brent
Derek Brent
Oct 17, 2020 5:25 PM
Reply to  Brad

So you want freedom? Why not abolish driving licences, theft laws, taxes and so on. Moron.

Name any society that was free in your sense.

Antonio Cope
Antonio Cope
May 4, 2020 2:17 AM

Have we not learned anything about the Spanish flu that took place just 100 years ago? Many turn advocates just for the sake of being opposite.

angel
angel
May 8, 2020 11:44 PM
Reply to  Antonio Cope

1918 – Die Welt im Fieber: Wie die Spanische Grippe die Gesellschaft veränderte (Deutsch) Gebundene Ausgabe – 29. Januar 2018 — Laura Spinney.

Rog
Rog
Jul 30, 2020 1:50 PM
Reply to  Antonio Cope

Most of the people who died during that episode were soldiers who had been vaccinated.

Derek Brent
Derek Brent
Oct 17, 2020 5:30 PM
Reply to  Rog

Hey, lets replace one lie with an even bigger one.

Massive numbers of civilians died, and the infection went on after after the war.

Derek Brent
Derek Brent
Oct 17, 2020 5:33 PM
Reply to  Derek Brent

Also it didn’t originate in Spain, It was first reported there because the other combatent nations had censorship and prevented reporting.

zdb
zdb
Oct 17, 2020 11:52 PM
Reply to  Derek Brent

soldiers brought it home to their families and infected them.

Derek Brent
Derek Brent
Oct 18, 2020 5:54 AM
Reply to  zdb

Flu or Syphilis?

Stern Verbs
Stern Verbs
Jul 30, 2020 2:11 PM
Reply to  Antonio Cope

Careful, Spanish Flu is racist…

zdb
zdb
Aug 16, 2020 6:47 AM
Reply to  Stern Verbs

especially since it originated at a US military base in the midwest and spread off the rail line as the troops freshly vaccinated with a faulty new bacterial vaccine shipped out east to troop ships to Europe. And then the other countries vaccinated their soldiers.

Derek Brent
Derek Brent
Oct 17, 2020 5:37 PM
Reply to  zdb

So why did they ALL choose the faulty vaccine over the good vaccine?

And I hope the voices stop soon.

zdb
zdb
Oct 17, 2020 11:55 PM
Reply to  Derek Brent

they were not given choices. just as soldiers today are given no choice. the vaccine was bacteriological. over 95% of the bodies exhumed and autopsied in last few years showed bacterial pneumonia instead of viral.

fallacy of the single cause. other factors as well. horrifically bad sanitation, food processing, food storage, crowded living quarters,…….

Derek Brent
Derek Brent
Oct 18, 2020 6:06 AM
Reply to  zdb

All good points, except the 95%.

Was the sample large or small? Were the sites widely distributed ?

Also if all the troops were vaccinated with the faulty vaccine, lived in atrocious conditions, and were shot at and shelled, how did any of them manage to get back to their families?

I look forward with eager anticipation to your reply.

Derek Brent
Derek Brent
Oct 18, 2020 6:03 AM
Reply to  Stern Verbs

“Spanish Flu” is not racist, but you clearly are!

Ann
Ann
Apr 28, 2020 6:34 AM

Sean, this may “hardly be news” to most of us who find our selves making time to read this, AND there are totally amazing many people who have no clue; therefore I am grateful for this clear info. in order to share with those willing to wake up.

SeanR
SeanR
Apr 27, 2020 6:42 PM

Most, if all of the steps are already in play before the article was written, I could have written it.

Not saying I disagree with the content but it’s hardly news.

Lyn M Pilolla
Lyn M Pilolla
May 1, 2020 4:38 PM
Reply to  SeanR

Oh it’s definitely news to those who have been ignorant in general, come upon this and are actually able to consider it.

Lt. Dan
Lt. Dan
May 10, 2020 1:10 PM
Reply to  SeanR

“I could have written it.” …Really? Well I suppose we’ll all just have to take your word on that, right? Because you didn’t. Nope. You did not write it.

That statement is as sad and pathetic as someone who trips, falls and then immediately blurts out: “I meant to do that”, like Kritin Wieg’s attention starved character on SNL.

We all just got to know you a little better and can all breathe a collective sigh of relief now that we’ve been assured that you could have written this opinion editorial. So, a well earned pat on the back for you, sir, from the rest of us… who didn’t write it either.

SeanR
SeanR
May 10, 2020 5:30 PM
Reply to  Lt. Dan

So pleased my comment pissed you off so much Danny.

Torpedo
Torpedo
Apr 27, 2020 2:02 PM

This seems to me no different than in ancient times a few smart charlatans figured out how to predict eclipses, and then, when the startled moon faced masses found that the charlatans were right, they (charlatans) gained power over them.

Denny
Denny
May 1, 2020 12:57 AM
Reply to  Torpedo

Lololololololololol!

Craig Pasceri
Craig Pasceri
Sep 24, 2020 8:05 AM
Reply to  Torpedo

Solar, lunar eclipses helio or geocentrism flat or round earth matters little–whats important is the conformity of the mind to Reality…i.e. the truth.

Derek Brent
Derek Brent
Oct 17, 2020 5:40 PM
Reply to  Torpedo

If they correctly figured out predicting eclipses, how were thy charlatans?

There’s no pleasing you.

Torpedo
Torpedo
Oct 17, 2020 7:39 PM
Reply to  Derek Brent

For the simple fact that they made it seem like they were causing the eclipses, and the population feared their “power”. The priests used this to gain power. As for your other comment, all I can say is that I infer that you aren’t the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Derek Brent
Derek Brent
Oct 18, 2020 5:50 AM
Reply to  Torpedo

And your proof of this is?

blewws views
blewws views
Apr 27, 2020 7:18 AM

Step 5 has already begun, excepting the immunity-passport, in the U.S. So obvious to me the only real point in ramping up testing is to keep the numbers up to continue to have the media trumpet that out of context. It’s the antibody tests that matter (if any of these tests prove anything at all) so since this almost entirely adversely effects those with co-morbidities and the elderly (usually with health issues) the increased testing is pointless.

Derek Brent
Derek Brent
Oct 17, 2020 5:46 PM
Reply to  blewws views

Any law is a restriction of your liberty, so are you planniing to abolish them all, yes or no?

Are you in favour of conscription in war time? That’s a much bigger threat to your freedom than coronovirus regulations!

Berlin Beerman
Berlin Beerman
Apr 26, 2020 8:25 PM

Well that’s all fine and dandy but your assuming that there is some sort of World Unity on this.

Your also assuming that Mr.Putin is going to drop, bend the knee and roll over. Finally your assuming the entire world is as castrated as the British public is and will just sit around and do as they are told.

Lets play this one out. Too many assumptions for my liking. Hell your about as absurd as the morons dictating the agenda.

May Hem
May Hem
Apr 27, 2020 3:18 AM
Reply to  Berlin Beerman

look how many have submitted meekly for the lockdown orders. i’m in australia and most of us are ultra obedient and ultra ignorant. not a good combination.

many obedient soon-to-be-digital-slaves in other countries as well. dunno about russia.

Berlin Beerman
Berlin Beerman
Apr 27, 2020 3:32 AM
Reply to  May Hem

First of all the morons dictating are all WHO and pharmaceutical industry insiders. They only do as they are told by those that feed them. Young politicians then follow their orders like good herd mentality types do.

Flawed models, flawed agendas. The ones who needed the help were left to die. I am talking about the elderly. Doctors and nurses told to do as their associations mandated and fall in line or else. Who funds these associations – yes the saem who fund the WHO and most of the so called political “top doctors”.

Now we as if that’s not enough to piss us all off – no, we get individuals like Mrs. Frei trying to stir more havoc as if we are as stupid as we look ( and we have looked very very stupid) and we would all take being mass vaccinated and chip implanted sitting down.

Well maybe Canada, UK and Australia will but then they there are many more nations that would lead the way for those who obviously have lost their ability to.

My god, even Sweden has shown more prowess on this subject and yet these so called intellectuals like those two ranting imbeciles on the Duran can only make up shit to dis Sweden.

Cat was right. I will not forgive those who fell flat on this opportunity to use intellect over herd mentality.

Derek Brent
Derek Brent
Oct 17, 2020 5:53 PM
Reply to  Berlin Beerman

I notice you didn’t include NZ in your list. is that because

THEY DIDN’T HAVE MANY COVID DEATHS?

Mustafa
Mustafa
Apr 30, 2020 1:37 AM
Reply to  May Hem

I’m curious why is Russia mentioned? Seems that Cold War propaganda remains useful to the West. (Another kind of “pandemic” – that government continues to exploit to limit its citizens’ freedoms.)

Berlin Beermanstein
Berlin Beermanstein
May 2, 2020 9:23 AM
Reply to  Mustafa

Hear! Hear! Putin has already imposed strict edicts on his people with stricter punishments that most western countries & Putin licks Lubovitch ass at least as much as the rest of the so-called “world leaders” – yeah leading us all to another Holodomor more like it!.

Derek Brent
Derek Brent
Oct 17, 2020 5:48 PM
Reply to  May Hem

Is that why there are so many racists in Australia? (Your friends?)

Tony
Tony
Apr 26, 2020 8:13 PM

Here’s another informative video interview of Dr Andrew Kaufman on Youtube entitled:

Dr Andrew Kaufman What is Coronavirus, Pandemic Paranoia Facts, Fictions and Fears Interview .



Lyn M Pilolla
Lyn M Pilolla
May 1, 2020 10:35 PM
Reply to  Tony

Thank you. I had only previously seen Dr. Kaufman’s original exosomes video.

Tony
Tony
May 1, 2020 11:32 PM
Reply to  Lyn M Pilolla

Hi Lyn,

Unfortunately, we have all been taken good style into believing the official narrative on germ theory and pathogenic viruses – even the majority of mainstream virologists and microbiologists believe it too -it keeps them happy and in jobs!

There is now a growing number of extracellular vesicles that are now referred to as ‘viruses’ or exosomes – but they are quite harmless and are released from the cells when they are subject to stress or toxicity and even electromagnetic and other forms of radiation. They also function as a means of communication between cells and carry cargoes including genetic material and other substances. They also absorb toxins from bacteria and package material when diseased cells begin to breakdown and then eventually undergo apoptosis (cell death) but you may already know all that from Dr Kaufman.

The Spanish flu pandemic of 1918 for example which has been estimated to have killed c50 million people, is most likely to have spread by electromagnetic means and not by any pathogenic virus particles, that is, unless you want to call the ‘virus’ an ‘electromagnetic disease agent’. The idea that it was a deadly virus spread by droplet infection via aerosol and personal or animal contact has been proven false by the experiments conducted by the military and also by the US Public Health Service in Boston.

Epidemics an pandemics have also been linked with deleterious changes in the electromagnetic conditions in our internal and external environment and they have also been found to be linked with sunspot activity and the maxima and minima of the solar cycle.

Several countries also have EM weapons that are also capable of inducing symptoms such as Covid-19 in populations throughout the world. 5G can be used to do that to0 with certain modifications or even the cell phone network or smart grid.

Antonio
Antonio
Aug 1, 2020 4:39 AM
Reply to  Tony

What electromagnetic means were available in Fort Riley, Kansas during the early days of what was to become the Spanish Flu Epidemic? AM radio waves? Radar wasn’t around back in those days, nor many VHF or higher frequency radio signals around, at least not in Kansas.

What electromagnetic sources would have been around then to help spread the virus (assuming it was a virus)?

Tony
Tony
Oct 18, 2020 6:52 PM
Reply to  Antonio

The EM RADIATION is scalar and triggers defence and the body’s bioregulatory systems it is linked with fluctuations in the solar cycle and other factors in the earth’s atmosphere and energy field. Detoxification of respiratory system etc with turbo cleansing inflammatory response produces influenza

Tony
Tony
Oct 18, 2020 7:59 PM
Reply to  Tony

There’s much more to it than what I have just posted Antonio. There are different forms of solar radiation and cosmic radiation involved that also involve aberrant forms of energy that are seasonal and are inimical to our health as they can produce free radicals in our bodies and change the electrical potential of our cells that may result in symptoms diagnosed as influenza.

Derek Brent
Derek Brent
Oct 17, 2020 6:14 PM
Reply to  Tony

Another BIG lie from the conspiracy theorists.

The line he quoted from CDC document (Where coronavirus is suspected) is followed by the word “can”, not “must”. In other words, it is permitted. So he is not “compelled” to do it as he claimed LIAR.

Tony
Tony
Oct 18, 2020 7:40 PM
Reply to  Derek Brent

I don’t think you can refute the argument because of one word. Otherwise the whole theory of alleged pathogenic viruses would go up in smoke! The game is rigged.

Bet you didn’t know that these viruses can only allegedly replicate in special cells according to virology. These cells are also endowed with appropriate receptors for the virus and they have no determinate conditions of existence.The special pathogenic virus-host cell relationship theory is entirely speculative and unproven by science to this day.

The world as we now know it would no longer function without practical conspiracies whether they be medical, political economic,ideological etc But there is always a theory to explain them and you can’t explain a conspiracy without one. You seem to be implying that all conspiracy theorists are liars like some politicians and virologists are lying today.

Regards

jay Khaye
jay Khaye
Apr 26, 2020 6:58 AM

“At about the same time, public-health officials significantly loosen the criteria for viral infections, outbreaks and deaths, particularly in the oldest members of society. ”
Is there evidence to support this claim? What I find the most disturbing about these events is how little preparation was made to protect the most vulnerable in society. Surely there was early warning and ample time to protect nursing and care homes from the out break particularly in North America. Does anyone else find it strange that the epicenter of the out break in the US was in a care home in Bill Gates home city.

MARY A KING
MARY A KING
Apr 26, 2020 3:24 PM
Reply to  jay Khaye

I think they knew that it would be more deadly to older people and that is what they want. They want to kill off older people that they deem are non-essential. The government has now deemed what is and is not essential and also who is and who is not essential. This is a way to de-populate the world.

May Hem
May Hem
Apr 27, 2020 3:22 AM
Reply to  MARY A KING

voluntary family planning clinics have a record of success in lowering the number of babies born – much kinder than knocking off our elders (of which i am one).

family planning clinics also help to empower women and this is probably one of the reasons they have been discontinued and had funding withdrawn. previously, there was great success in bangladesh and thailand, in reducing population increase.

Lyn M Pilolla
Lyn M Pilolla
May 1, 2020 9:26 PM
Reply to  May Hem

Are you SERIOUS??! If so, are you INSANE?? Where the heck are Planned (De-)Parenthoods being discontinued and defunded?? They are being propped up now in more places than not. EVIL EUGENICS continue in those demonic facilities. Empowering women, my female A$$. It’s the damn opposite.

Lyn M Pilolla
Lyn M Pilolla
May 1, 2020 10:34 PM
Reply to  May Hem

You are a blatant racist/culturalist, and eugenicist.

JOSHUA A FIELDEN
JOSHUA A FIELDEN
May 4, 2020 8:26 PM
Reply to  Lyn M Pilolla

You have left your brain behind. Do not confuse abortion with Family Planning which is basically contraception and makes total common sense.

Derek Brent
Derek Brent
Oct 17, 2020 6:29 PM
Reply to  MARY A KING

So why is Trump doing this?

Olorin
Olorin
May 2, 2020 3:27 PM
Reply to  jay Khaye

I don’t find it strange at all considering the history of the company that ran that facility:

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/03/06/breaking-news/germ-fest-party-preceded-
deadly-washington-nursing-home-coronavirus-outbreak/

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/life-care-centers-america-inc-agrees-pay-145-million-resolve-false-claims-act-allegations

Takeaway: many of these “elder care” centers are expert at farming our elders for all manner of profit…but not so good at protecting them. “Elder care” centers have always been incredibly dangerous places in many ways. But it’s pretty clear that the more loosely you count or measure infection/outbreak/death data, the more money is in play. Calling something “pneumonia” won’t get you nearly as much per case or procedure as if that is redefined as the pandemic du jour.

The MSM should be digging into this. They won’t since they are owned and co-opted. And when individual MDs or RNs speak up, YouTube/Facebook/Big Tech and Data deplatforms them. After all, Big Tech and Data are drooling to establish our biology as the new realm of global real estate.

Speaking of Big Tech in Seattle–do you know about Amazon’s 1492 project?

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/26/amazon-1492-secret-health-tech-project.html
http://archive.is/gOsQd

Derek Brent
Derek Brent
Oct 17, 2020 6:18 PM
Reply to  jay Khaye

Since you know so much, how did Bill get it into the care home?

James
James
Apr 26, 2020 3:57 AM

Let’s break up the country and let’s go our separate ways. The liberals get their part and the conservative and libertarians get theirs. We have reached the point of no return. Let’s end this madness and find peace in our own worlds.
https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9hbmNob3IuZm0vcy8xMTViYjFmMC9wb2RjYXN0L3Jzcw&episode=MWJkZTMzNmMtZWUzNi00M2IyLWJlYjEtNDVlMzM5MTIzMGM3&ved=0CAcQ38oDahcKEwjA7pq_goXpAhUAAAAAHQAAAAAQAQ

jay Khaye
jay Khaye
Apr 26, 2020 7:00 AM
Reply to  James

They get the areas with trees and we can have the energy deposits.

Derek Brent
Derek Brent
Oct 18, 2020 12:09 AM
Reply to  jay Khaye

And how will you prevent your pollution spreading out to the tree lined areas?

MARY A KING
MARY A KING
Apr 26, 2020 3:25 PM
Reply to  James

I have been saying this for a long time!

Paul Barbara
Paul Barbara
Apr 26, 2020 12:26 AM

Those who gratuitously blame China for either intentionally or accidentally bringing on this ‘Pandemic’ would do well to check out Aletho News:
‘WUHAN OUTBREAK: CHINA DEMANDS AN HONEST ACCOUNTING’:
https://alethonews.com/2020/03/22/wuhan-outbreak-china-demands-an-honest-accounting/?
Despite a 300-odd US Military Contingent to the Wuhan World Military Games, the US got no gold medals, three silver and five bronze (even North Korea and Bahrain got nine golds each). America came 35th!! Hardly surprising if they were incubating or carrying the virus.

jay Khaye
jay Khaye
Apr 26, 2020 7:03 AM
Reply to  Paul Barbara

The US has never won a medal at these games. This is your smoking gun. If you want to link the virus to the Americans look into the fact USAID was funding research in corona viruses specifically jumping from bats at the Wuhan lab. Funding!!! Not actually doing the research.

Paul Barbara
Paul Barbara
Apr 26, 2020 8:47 AM
Reply to  jay Khaye

No, it’s not the ‘smoking gun’. The ‘smoking guns’ are the five US military treated in hospital for a ‘fever’ on 25th October, who along with the others was staying at the Wuhan Oriental Hotel, which later had the biggest early ‘cluster’ of Covid 19 cases (although seven Wet Market workers who had all had contact with the hospital staff were treated first).
I know Dr. Faust’s (sorry, Fauci’s) department of NIAD reportedly gave$3.7 Million From U.S. to study Coronavirus in bats. It’s what you call ‘setting the stage’, like the US training alleged ‘hijackers’ in private flight schools and three of the alleged ‘hijackers’ actually living on a US military base – ‘Red Herrings’, to set a false trail.
As was the story of the Chinese stealing coronavirus samples from a Canadian lab.
And Gates & Co. having a ‘Coronavirus Pandemic’ simulation (Event 201) in New York, on the VERY DAY the Wuhan Military Games opened (18th October ’19). Sound familiar, ‘drills’ on or around False Flag events?
The US, Britain and I’m sure others have a history of asking for ‘volunteers’ from their military to undergo potentially harmful (even lethal, though they aren’t likely to be told that) injections and other procedures (nuclear radiation exposure), often paying them various amounts or giving them extended leaves etc. to encourage them.
As the Covid 19 seems to mainly hit the elderly, there is a pretty good chance the fit military would be able to weather the effects (though at the end of the day, they regard the military as Kissinger did, as ‘dumb, stupid animals to be used’, so if they died, tough titty).
Of course they knew the virus would spread around the world, all part of the plan many of us have been expecting them to pull for some time, but by seeding it in China they could blame them.

50r1
50r1
Apr 29, 2020 9:49 PM
Reply to  Paul Barbara

Was it 5 or was it 1? Any quality links/sources?

Paul Barbara
Paul Barbara
Apr 26, 2020 2:14 PM
Reply to  Paul Barbara

I have to correct my comment above, the US did actually win one gold medal (the list of medal winners I was quoting was wrong). They also got one more silver medal than I said.
https://www.defense.gov/Explore/News/Article/Article/2006466/us-athlete-wins-triathlon-gold-medal-in-china/
‘In the final competition of the World Military Games in Wuhan, China, U.S. armed forces team athlete Air Force Reserve Maj. Judith Coyle finished the triathlon in 2:10:48 to win a gold medal in the women’s senior division and propel her mixed senior team to a silver medal.
It was the only gold brought home by the U.S. team, which earned four silver and five bronze medals in the games held every four years by the International Military Sports Council, better known by its French acronym of CISM.’

kgbgb
kgbgb
Apr 26, 2020 4:43 PM
Reply to  Paul Barbara

You were right first time – no golds, at least as normally understood. The women’s triathlon was won by a Swiss, followed by a Russian and a Brazilian, and the women’s team winners were the Brazilians, followed by the Russians and Chinese.

Age-restricted events like the “senior” triathlon don’t count for the medal tables. (Except, of course, in the American media, when the USA get no real golds.)

Paul Barbara
Paul Barbara
Apr 26, 2020 12:11 AM

Just in case anyone doesn’t have some form of the many Coronavirus’s in their system, the CDC has the answer: ‘UNREAL: Faulty Coronavirus Tests Sent to States by CDC Were Tainted with Coronavirus’:
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/unreal-faulty-coronavirus-tests-sent-to-states-by-cdc-were-tainted-with-coronavirus/

richard s.
richard s.
Apr 25, 2020 2:39 PM

from virus testing; will they keep your DNA on file, you know, like those sites to trace ancestry? wow! if so, millions of people have just voluntarily given their most intimate information to their governments.

Jean Bush
Jean Bush
Apr 25, 2020 8:06 PM
Reply to  richard s.

Exactly. It is a criminal DNA data base so they can easily check on those who are not obeying the rules.

Brozza
Brozza
Apr 26, 2020 12:35 PM
Reply to  Jean Bush

Especially when it’s alleged that ancestry.com on-sell their DNA results.
Also, we have ausfailure gummints ‘tracer app’ results being stored on U.$. amazon cloud storage.

May Hem
May Hem
Apr 27, 2020 3:32 AM
Reply to  Brozza

and i’m sure we can trust amazon to keep our data safe and not sell it for a profit or use it to blackmail us. after all, its for our own good, doncha know?

Brozza
Brozza
Apr 27, 2020 10:11 AM
Reply to  May Hem

It appears we both suffer from the same affliction.
Sarcasm. 😎
I guess neither of us will be troubling amazon storage.

May Hem
May Hem
Apr 27, 2020 3:30 AM
Reply to  Jean Bush

THEIR rules!

TheTruthBurns
TheTruthBurns
Apr 25, 2020 1:00 PM

The “Bullshitarona Virus” a Chinese Mutagenic Bioweapon created in Wuhan with Funding from Bill Gates & Obama that is actually a genetic targeted infection made up of SARS, HIV + PNEUMOCOCCAL strains which is Design to continually Mutate as a Smart Weapon just recently confirmed by Luc Montagnier Nobel Prize scientist who discovered HIV. So yeah just a “Bat Flu” from a Barbaric “Wet Market” from a country whose people eat Anything that Moves or is Endangered from a 3000 year old Satanic culture of Warfare: Infects the World Purposely, Magically infects an American Aircraft Carrier in the South China Sea, Sends Defective Medical Equipment around the World, Sends Covid19 Infected Test Kits around the World, Just Started Testing Nukes Again, just Closed the Largest Meat Processor in America that is somehow Magically Owned by Communist China & along with the Fake News, Democrats & Google, Twitter & others are Blaming Donald Trump for the Whole thing. Now That is Just a Coincidence – They don’t really want to control us like we’ve been Warned by Every SciFi movie since the 50’s we’re All really “Just Paranoid”, “Conspiracy Theorists”, “Right Wing Nuts”, “White Nazi Racists”, “Christian Fundamentals”, “Anti-Government”, “Dangerous”, ” Wrong Thinkers”, ” Troublemakers”, “Gun Nuts”, “Disturbed” – All Code Words for people who Believe in the Constitution & Freedom which is Anti-Communist & Anti-Fascist & Anti-Tyranny. But hey it’s All a Fairytale Right?

WilliamtheResolute
WilliamtheResolute
Apr 25, 2020 2:24 PM
Reply to  TheTruthBurns

Just wait, if China feels emboldened by this virus and tries to take out Taiwan then WWIII will be short lived … Taiwan has nukes and will glass Beijing.

Josh
Josh
Apr 25, 2020 6:21 PM

That’ll be fun to watch. The Taiwanese are cool

Berlin Beerman
Berlin Beerman
Apr 26, 2020 8:21 PM

Just so your aware, Taiwan is and has been part of China for a long time.

Their get rich puppet regimes that appease the public voters – who are about as astute as the British voter – never cease to amaze me with their propaganda crap on being independent.

The reality is that Taiwan was the first two party rule scenario. What better way for mainland to see what goodies the Americans have.

Tony
Tony
Apr 27, 2020 3:28 PM
Reply to  TheTruthBurns

Hi TTB,

You write:

The “Bullshitarona Virus” a Chinese Mutagenic Bioweapon created in Wuhan with Funding from Bill Gates & Obama that is actually a genetic targeted infection made up of SARS, HIV + PNEUMOCOCCAL strains which is Design to continually Mutate as a Smart Weapon just recently confirmed by Luc Montagnier Nobel Prize scientist who discovered HIV.

I must point out here for the record and contrary to the popular opinion among pathogenic virus advocates, that Luc Montagnier may have discovered something but it certainly wasn’t any alleged HIV virus which is supposed to be the cause of AIDS.

Monatagnier never managed to isolate HIV or purify any HIV virus particles so it makes
little difference to the fact as to whether he was awarded a Nobel Prize or not. He’s a mainstream scientist in the same Club as all the other would be ‘deadly virus’ worshippers.

Here’s a critical examination of Montagnier’s seminal paper by the Perth Group in pdf format which shows in detail why he never could have ‘discovered’ HIV in the first place:

http://www.theperthgroup.com/Nobel/Montagnier1983Paper.pdf

Furthermore, where is Montagnier’s scientific proof that this pneumococcal viral strain exists that continually mutates as a smart weapon – what evidence does he provide to substantiate such a wild speculative claim??

Martin
Martin
Apr 25, 2020 7:28 AM

Let us think of all the “revolutions” that have been sold to us as something positive. The sexual revolution, the digital revolution, the energy revolution, the green revolution, the peaceful revolution, the Arab revolution. (The Latin word “revolvere” is also in Revolver.)

The latest revolution is called social isolation. Finally, the family can be together undisturbed and spend their time in the “social media”. (It’s like the manager who dreams of Hawaii at his desk: he’s neither at his desk nor in Hawaii.) The only problem is that 80 percent of households in the big cities are single.

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Jean Wilson
Jean Wilson
Apr 24, 2020 11:41 PM

Do not trust their “contact-tracing phone app”. Look what is happening in Poland where having a contact-tracing ap on your mobile phone is compulsory. By using geolocation and facial recognition algorithms, the Government can tell whether you’re at your quarantine residence or not.

The ap sends you a text multiple times a day and you have 20 minutes to respond. If you don’t respond the police will arrive at your door! On the second week of a woman’s quarantine, the requests to send selfies “doubled”. “I needed to charge my phone all the time. I needed to be next to my phone all the time”.

It shows the location, it shows the time, it shows your face and it could be used to see who’s friends with who. This is a worry because it can be used for manipulative purposes, by private companies.

This ap will follow your every move, purchase, sale, conversation, health data, transaction and contacts. Data-mining has become very useful for spying and for profit-making.

Here in Australia our government is encouraging everyone to get this ap on their mobile phone. It is voluntary – for now. And they have chosen Amazon to ‘keep our data safe’.

Police state is already here, now the net/web tightens.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-25/coronavirus-poland-tracking-quarantine-selfie-app/12173884

Eric Blairiser
Eric Blairiser
Apr 25, 2020 10:36 AM
Reply to  Jean Wilson

Looks like it might be time to put my SIM back into my old ‘dumb’ Nokia. I look forward to seeing what the arseholes think they can do about that.

Shardlake
Shardlake
Apr 25, 2020 11:51 AM
Reply to  Eric Blairiser

That’s real good advice and it’s also the only type of mobile I’ve ever had. I use it for my convenience like making any urgent calls while I’m out, anything other than that can wait ’til I get home. I recall coming down the steps of an aircraft and the text buzzer sounded, upon reading the message it said ‘Welcome to Berlin” so even with my ‘dumb phone’ somebody I didn’t know knew where I was. We are becoming the slave of the device rather than the device becoming our help, who in Hell’s name needs to know the contents of an encyclopaedia immediately. The lady in the Bank once told me that I could do my banking on my phone to save me time ( and the Bank’s costs) so I shoved my phone over the counter and asked her to show me how.

jay Khaye
jay Khaye
Apr 26, 2020 7:10 AM
Reply to  Eric Blairiser

they will outlaw those phones.

jay Khaye
jay Khaye
Apr 26, 2020 7:10 AM
Reply to  Jean Wilson

I don’t have a phone. Problem solved. Do people actually want to live in a surveillance state?

Paul Barbara
Paul Barbara
Apr 26, 2020 8:58 AM
Reply to  jay Khaye

Nor do I, but that is not necessarily ‘problem solved’. They can and are making it increasingly difficult or inconvenient if you don’t have a mobile phone, like car parking meters that require a phone to buy time; even online banking – because I don’t have a mobile I had to get a gadget called a ‘card reader’, and type in a series of numbers.
Ve haf vays of making you comply!

Tony
Tony
Apr 24, 2020 8:12 PM

Step 4

They and powerful media organizations also push for the massive virus-testing over-capacity to be used to surveil the general population for viral DNA in their bodies. At the same time, the roll-out begins of widespread blood testing for antibodies to the virus.

Step 5

About two or three weeks later, the dramatic increase in testing for viral DNA produces the desired goal of a significant upsurge in the number of people found positive for the virus.
They and powerful media organizations also push for the massive virus-testing over-capacity to be used to surveil the general population for viral DNA in their bodies. At the same time, the roll-out begins of widespread blood testing for antibodies to the virus.

As I understand it, the alleged coronavirus in question is an RNA virus. If that is the case, then it follows that the alleged ‘viral DNA’ referred to in steps 4 and 5 is complementary DNA or cDNA.
The complementary DNA (cDNA) is synthesized in the laboratory from messenger RNA, but cDNA is not necessarily viral genomic DNA, because the transcript of genomic RNA has been processed (i.e., it lacks promoters and introns) and the true source of the any RNA (whether it is alleged to be viral or otherwise) remains unknown and still needs to be determined even if it is found in samples derived from a Covid-19 patient.

cDNA synthesis includes a two-step (first- and second-strand synthesis) conversion of the cleaned up RNA found in the samples to more stable copy DNA (cDNA). The specialized enzyme reverse transcriptase is utilized, to synthesize and convert single-stranded RNA (ssRNA) into double-stranded DNA that is a complimentary copy of the mRNA. In other words, the sequence of the cDNA becomes complementary to the RNA sequence.

A preparation of cDNA thus represents the genes that were actively being expressed in a cell, organ or even a whole organism at the time of harvesting and is called a cDNA library. cDNA can also be used in gene cloning and for gene probes (templates). RT-PCR was developed to identify RNA targets. In this process, complementary DNA (cDNA) is first produced from RNA targets by reverse transcription which requires primers e.g. oligo dT primers or random hexamers to prime the synthesis of the initial DNA strand. The primers can generate cDNA from all RNA in the sample, and the last step is the amplification of cDNA by PCR.

The problem is, if the coronavirus in question was never isolated in the first place and pure virus particles were never obtained (which has never been done to date), then its genome cannot be used as a standard to compare any genetic material that may have been found in the samples from patients allegedly suffering from Covid-19. Which implies that the genetic material in the samples could have come from something else (e.g. a harmless retrovirus, or exosomes or apoptotic bodies) that have nothing to do with any alleged coronavirus.

Wikipedia states the following:

Some viruses also use cDNA to turn their viral RNA into mRNA (viral RNA → cDNA → mRNA). The mRNA is used to make viral proteins to take over the host cell.

This assertion is problematic in the sense that lifeless viruses cannot “use” anything to make anything because according to virology the host cell must do everything for the virus which can’t function outside of a host cell. But it’s not just any old host cell either.

Virology informs us that any alleged ‘pathogenic’ virus which is no more than a specific chemical assembly of metastable particles, must use a living cell that is “accessible, susceptible and permissive” – but the question remains. How is a distinct host cell independent of the virus constrained to function so as to fulfil the functional imperatives coded in the viral genome in order to complete the process virus replication cycle?

The simple answer is it cannot if the host cell also has its own conditions of existence that it must secure in order to survive and is determined by those conditions, unless of course a surreptitious pre-established correspondence is postulated between the attributes of all pathogenic viruses and all the “accessible, susceptible and permissive” host cells they are alleged to ‘infect’.

However, such a correspondence can never be proven. So the whole thing collapses into the closed and empty circle of functional determination where host cells ‘exist’ as the functional means to the fulfilment of a given functional end – the replication of the virus.

But in reality, the host cells have no affect on the virus other than acting as a functional support of the viral replication process.

Alleged pathogenic viruses ‘exist’ as distinct complex determinate unities of being that are somehow thought to possess all the necessary inherent attributes and information coded in their genomes that allow them survive and replicate. Their precise conditions of existence are never adequately specified in virology so their existence is therefore unconditional and inexplicable. All we seem to get are some vague speculative assertions relating to evolutionary theory:

No one knows exactly when viruses emerged or from where they came, since viruses do not leave historical footprints such as fossils. Modern viruses are thought to be a mosaic of bits and pieces of nucleic acids picked up from various sources along their respective evolutionary paths.

https://courses.lumenlearning.com/wm-biology2/chapter/history-of-viruses/

The host cells then, that these alleged viruses are supposed to ‘infect’, are subject to two incompatible and contradictory forms of constraint (a) they are constrained to secure some of their own means and conditions of existence in order to survive on the one hand, and (b) they are also somehow constrained to function in accordance with the conditions imposed upon them by means of the information coded in the genomes of the alleged pathogenic viruses on the other. But that renders that aspect of the current theory of viruses untenable.

So in a nutshell, and leaving the problems of essentialism, teleology and causal reductionism aside as it pertains to lifeless ‘pathogenic’ viruses as conceived by virology -they cannot “take over” anything, or “use” anything to replicate.

SparkyMcBiff
SparkyMcBiff
Apr 25, 2020 11:54 AM
Reply to  Tony

The fact is that there is NO test that is specific for COVID19. In fact the man who won a Nobel Prize for developing the PCR technique, which is presently being used for testing for COVID19 says that it was NEVER MEANT to be used for any diagnostic test. The test is just identifying segments of RNA that can com from any corona virus, of which there are dozens and are very common. (ie. the common cold). We are being played people.

Tony
Tony
Apr 25, 2020 1:02 PM
Reply to  SparkyMcBiff

Yes Sparky,

There is no diagnostic test for any virus, particularly the alleged coronavirus that’s never been proven to physically exist to date.

Kary Mullis did indeed invent PCR and he never intended that it should be used as a test for any virus. I have already mentioned that and other issues in my other posts on other Off G threads.

There is no scientific proof either, that any of the alleged coronaviruses cause colds, nobody has come forth to provide that conclusive proof which I would very much like to see but probably never will. Virus theory itself is full of holes and I have only just scratched the surface in my previous post – so its not just about an alleged coronavirus, its about all alleged disease causing viruses. If the theory is wrong in the first place, then it follows that it will not work out in practice.

Josh
Josh
Apr 25, 2020 6:25 PM
Reply to  Tony

What about germ theory? Was Louis Pasteur completely wrong? I’m curious of how much conceded science you reject as axiomatic

Binra
Binra
Apr 25, 2020 10:00 PM
Reply to  Josh
Lyn M Pilolla
Lyn M Pilolla
Apr 25, 2020 10:16 PM
Reply to  Josh

While they are both ancient by today’s scientific standards which can look at intricate processes as Tony described, you can start with comparing Pasteur to Antoine Béchamp’s Terrain Theory.

Tony
Tony
Apr 26, 2020 12:18 PM
Reply to  Josh

Hi Josh,

You ask me about Louis Paster’s germ theory and was he wrong?

First of all, Pasteur was a fraud and plagiarist of the experimental and scientific work carried out by the genius Antione Bechamp. Bechamp also refuted Pasteur’s germ theory but was never credited for doing that. So what’s wrong with Pasteur’s germ theory of disease?

Pasteur committed the fallacy of causal reductionism where something is alleged to be the sole cause of something else where all other interfering or intersecting causes and phenomena are either excluded or ignored in the explanation or they just happen to be conveniently and surreptitiously consistent with the action of the privileged cause in question (without any proof) – for example, the alleged Coronavirus which is alleged but not proven to be the sole cause of Covid-19.

The problem is for germ theory – there are no such privileged causes in nature unless the game is a con and is rigged that way by scientists who work for corporations that have an agenda like it is with germ theory as adopted by the pharma cartel to make vast profits from so-called ‘anti-viral’ and antibiotic drugs and vaccines. The germ theory states that microorganisms – germs – are THE cause (not a cause) of certain infectious and other diseases.

Germ theory is programmed into us morning and night so that we have all learned to fear these germs which populate our bodies and are on our skin and live in a symbiotic relation to us. When we become diseased through the accumulation of metabolic waste in our tissues or we have eaten tainted food, or are invaded by all sorts of toxic materials from our environment including chemical particulates, food additives, drugs, electropollution etc the germs will become active to ‘eat’ the toxins and secrete their enzymes to help breakdown and clear the infected tissues from crap so that new tissues can be built. Their activity is an effect of a specific disease process or damage from it and they are not its cause, but sometimes they get overzealous in their job and their numbers have to be kept in check.

However, when it comes down to science, in the absence of any privileged form of causality as a general principle of explanation of the phenomena that are constitutive of a certain disease, we can only say that any particular disease in question will have its own determinate and specifiable conditions of existence (causes) which themselves are not reducible to any single general causal principle of explanation as Louis Pasteur tried to make out.

If that is the case, then we also avoid the silly reductionist idea that the diverse factors and phenomena that are constitutive of any particular disease –infectious or otherwise are not reducible to any single causal class of phenomena such as germs, or the causal action of any single germ.

The so-called ‘scientific method’ as it currently stands as claimed to be used in microbiology and medical science, is based on philosophy and metaphysics not science, and that should be axiomatic but very few scientists are willing to acknowledge the fact.

blewws views
blewws views
Apr 27, 2020 8:05 AM
Reply to  Tony

Gee, familiar with the topic at all? : ) Well stated.

Paul Barbara
Paul Barbara
Apr 25, 2020 11:45 PM
Reply to  SparkyMcBiff

Sparky, you have put it very succinctly.
This information should be blasted out through all media; once again our ‘leaders’ and their propaganda tools the MSM are LYING to us.

Brozza
Brozza
Apr 27, 2020 10:15 AM
Reply to  Paul Barbara

Nooooooooooooooo.
They wouldn’t lie to us, surely.

Rupert
Rupert
Apr 26, 2020 7:56 AM
Reply to  SparkyMcBiff

Hi Tony, fascinating comment, thank you for your thoughts.

I’ve looked at Kary Mullis and his work, interesting guy and quite controversial. Damn shame he’s not here to comment on this whole cluster f**k! Would it be possible to get the attention of someone from his team that worked on the development PCR test. The fact that it is not a diagnostic tool is information that needs to be shared far and wide.

What would be very effective is a webinar of experts discussing the accuracy of the RT-PCR tests. If we can nail our colours to the data accuracy post we can mount a counter offensive to the official narrative that will find a very tacky purchase.

Your thoughts.

Tony
Tony
Apr 26, 2020 4:51 PM
Reply to  Rupert

The Perth Group did something similar in Australia but they went to conferences and set up a website where the experts made their contribution to prove that HIV virus was never isolated, did not exist, and therefore was not the cause of AIDS. But the powers that be still took no notice!

So really the PCR test is not the real problem – the real problem is for the authorities to conclusively prove that the SARS-Cov-2 virus exists and it is the sole cause of Covid-19.

But they cannot and will not do that, otherwise it would give their game away and monocausal germ theory would also fly out of the window. That’s why they invariably resort to second rate scientific papers that are not based on the proper virus isolation and purification methods and never observe Koch’s postulates (plus some added revisions).

RT-PCR does not and cannot test for Coronavirus -period. How can it if the pure virus particles have never been isolated with their genome intact to use as a standard of comparison. To pretend otherwise, it would be impossible to know what gene sequences you would be looking for to amplify in the samples from diseased patients and you would not be able to compare them with those of the complete viral genome.

Antonio
Antonio
Jul 30, 2020 9:57 PM
Reply to  Tony

Tony, I had run across a scientific paper a while ago that discussed Koch’s Postulates and also some of the revisions that were necessary to add to them in order to accommodate virus theory. The paper was not easily understandable to me, due to the medical jargon.

Could you briefly comment on what the revisions to the postulates would be in relation to the COVID-19 issue?

jay Khaye
jay Khaye
Apr 26, 2020 7:25 AM
Reply to  Tony

If there is no proof that viruses cause influenza or the common cold, what is in your opinion the cause of such disease?

Tony
Tony
Apr 26, 2020 2:24 PM
Reply to  jay Khaye

Hi Jay,

There can be numerous causal factors at work that may result in the common cold that have nothing to do with coronaviruses or any other viruses. Since I have discussed Cornavirus and Covid-19 elsewhere I’ll just deal with the common cold here.

Firstly, what do we mean by a “common cold” – well, it’s usually erroneously defined as a ‘viral infection’ of the nose, throat or upper respiratory tract. Early stage common cold symptoms: chilled feeling, sinus congestion, scratchy sore throat, sneezing clear and runny nasal discharge, swollen lymph nodes in neck, achy muscles, stiff neck, headache, fatigue and mild fever. In traditional Chinese medicine it can also be coupled with seasonal weather changes including and cold and damp conditions and external and internal pathogenic factors such as ‘wind’. I said “erroneously defined” because of the causal reduction fallacy committed blaming an alleged ‘pathogenic virus’ as its sole cause.

The common cold is our body’s attempt to detoxify and excrete accumulated metabolic waste and other toxic matter and energy (sneezing) through the mucus membranes of the nose throat, sinuses. The process is often accompanied by an inflammatory response in a bid to remove any irritant toxic particulate matter or any blockages in the energy flow through the acupuncture meridians in the upper respiratory tract.

The inflammation is thus a detoxification reaction and is the result of toxic effects and not a cause. Bacteria can also be involved in the detoxification process as they ‘eat’ toxins and help clearance by breaking down toxins stored in the connective tissue by secreting the enzyme hyaluronidase. Harmless viruses may also be present and thus may be associated or correlated with the detoxification process but they certainly are not a cause of the so-called ‘infection’ which should probably be termed an ‘outfection’ as the attempt is to excrete and clear toxic matter and restore a harmonious flow of energy throughout upper respiratory tract and the rest of the body.

The following foods can also be contributory pathogenic factors: high intakes of sugar, dairy products, fried, fatty or greasy foods, cakes, biscuits, pies and pastries, white flour products, cold beverages and alcohol, and smoking as they can all increase the production of the mucus and phlegm to clog the tissues of the respiratory tract!

Blaming an alleged ‘pathogenic virus’ that has never been isolated is the easy and lazy way out of having to explain all the different causal factors that come into play in any disease process, and I have only scratched the surface here.

April
April
Apr 27, 2020 4:37 AM
Reply to  Tony

Then explain to me how it is passed around in families are workplaces. We can talk all about the differences in immune functioning between individuals but we are very much passing something and it isn’t inflammation.
Beyond this, I do not think any of what we are witnessing is from isolated virus at all and I think most clinicians would agree. This doesn’t mean there isn’t a virus at all (again I don’t blame any virus for cause of death- I see this every year and it is always chronic condition of some type that kills ,
barring acute injury) but yes, it could mean we haven’t isolated the virus we are hunting.

April
April
Apr 27, 2020 4:38 AM
Reply to  April

*and workplaces

Toby Russell
Toby Russell
Apr 27, 2020 7:30 AM
Reply to  April

Hi April,

I’m reading The Invisible Rainbow (by Arthur Firstenberg) at the moment. It presents plenty of evidence against the idea that influenza is infectious in the manner commonly believed … as I used to believe. Influenza was coined in fact because the illness was observed to be the consequence of electrical – and other – influences from the environment. The book contains charts demonstrating correlation between increasing electrification of the planet with influenza outbreaks, and much other fascinating data besides.

I’m only 14% of the way through (according to Kindle) so hardly an authority on the matter, nor am I yet convinced by its arguments, but the book – well written and easy to read – at the very least demonstrates that there is plenty of material out there gainsaying common conceptions about the infectiousness of colds and flus. My approach is to look at as much of the evidence as I can find before coming to any kind of ‘conclusion’. I think what’s happening all around us, across the planet, is a very sobering reminder of how important it is to adopt this approach! In other words, believe nothing, question everything, stay open but not gullible.

Toby Russell
Toby Russell
Apr 27, 2020 9:23 AM
Reply to  April

Here’s an interesting excerpt I just read from The Invisible Rainbow concerning the infectiousness of The Spanish Flu:

The disease seemed to spread impossibly fast. “There is no reason to suppose that it traveled more rapidly than persons could travel [but] it has appeared to do so,” wrote Dr. George A. Soper, Major in the United States Army.

But most revealing of all were the various heroic attempts to prove the infectious nature of this disease, using volunteers. All these attempts, made in November and December 1918 and in February and March 1919, failed. One medical team in Boston, working for the United States Public Health Service, tried to infect one hundred healthy volunteers between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five. Their efforts were impressive and make entertaining reading:

“We collected the material and mucous secretions of the mouth and nose and throat and bronchi from cases of the disease and transferred this to our volunteers. We always obtained this material in the same way. The patient with fever, in bed, had a large, shallow, traylike arrangement before him or her, and we washed out one nostril with some sterile salt solutions, using perhaps 5 c.c., which is allowed to run into the tray; and that nostril is blown vigorously into the tray. This is repeated with the other nostril. The patient then gargles with some of the solution. Next we obtain some bronchial mucus through coughing, and then we swab the mucous surface of each nares and also the mucous surface of the throat… Each one of the volunteers… received 6 c.c. of the mixed stuff that I have described. They received it into each nostril; received it in the throat, and on the eye; and when you think that 6 c.c. in all was used, you will understand that some of it was swallowed. None of them took sick.”

It was, argues the book, radio-wave sickness, a consequence of the eruption of radio-wave communications and attendant powerful transmission towers that were being built as quickly as possible all over the world.

Tony
Tony
Apr 27, 2020 12:15 PM
Reply to  April

Hi April,

A valid question April, I hope I can give you some pointers to the answer as I understand the situation.

Then explain to me how it is passed around in families are workplaces. We can talk all about the differences in immune functioning between individuals but we are very much passing something and it isn’t inflammation.

First of all I didn’t say it was inflammation that was being “passed around” – inflammation is the body’s reaction or response to toxicity (including pathogenic forms of electromagnetic energy) or an accumulation of unwanted metabolic waste in the tissues. So it doesn’t follow that its being “passed around”.

Secondly, your assumption here is that whatever it is, really is being “passed around” like bricklayers in a chain passing bricks to one another!

However, there is no scientific proof that anything is being “passed around” at all although it might seem that way.

All we can argue here is that whatever it is, the problem can arise from certain conditions (pathogenic or otherwise) that are being generated in and by the human organisms in question through their interaction with pathogenic or deleterious conditions that are being generated in the external environment, and the timing and outcomes may vary. What the precise nature of those conditions are, still remains to be determined and specified by science if we reject the alleged taken-for-granted without proof ‘pathogenic virus’ explanation.

In fact, the experiments on Spanish flu (which claimed c.50 million deaths) conducted in the book “The Invisible Rainbow” (as mentioned by Toby Russell in his post below) proves the point that the Spanish flu was not “passed around “either. The book however, does point to some form of electromagnetic energy as a causal factor in the spread of the disease. Jeff Taubenberger later claimed to have isolated the virus form the lungs of corpses frozen in permafrost, but on analysis of his work – he failed in his attempt, like all the others who have tried to isolate viruses that are alleged to be ’pathogenic’.

You then comment that:

Beyond this, I do not think any of what we are witnessing is from isolated virus at all and I think most clinicians would agree. This doesn’t mean there isn’t a virus at all (again I don’t blame any virus for cause of death- I see this every year and it is always chronic condition of some type that kills, barring acute injury) but yes, it could mean we haven’t isolated the virus we are hunting.

Yes, I agree viruses do exist and they are harmless and there is no scientific proof that they are the cause of a disease as germ theory tries to make out. That still applies even if the virus that’s being hunted is found because germ theory itself and the theory of pathogenic viruses along with it are incoherent and untenable as it currently stands as I have indicated in my other posts.

Regards,

Tony

Rupert
Rupert
Apr 26, 2020 7:48 AM
Reply to  Tony

Hi Tony, fascinating comment, thank you for your thoughts.

I’ve looked at Kary Mullis and his work, interesting guy and quite controversial. Damn shame he’s not here to comment on this whole cluster f**k! Would it be possible to get the attention of someone from his team that worked on the development PCR test. The fact that it is not a diagnostic tool is information that needs to be shared far and wide.

What would be very effective is a webinar of experts discussing the accuracy of the RT-PCR tests. If we can nail our colours to the data accuracy post we can mount a counter offensive to the official narrative that will find a very tacky purchase.

Your thoughts.

Rosemary Frei
Rosemary Frei
Apr 26, 2020 12:32 PM
Reply to  Tony

Hi Tony, just a quick note – that was a typo on my part – I meant of course to write ‘viral RNA’. I’ve asked the editor to correct that.

Tony
Tony
Apr 26, 2020 4:08 PM
Reply to  Rosemary Frei

Hi Rosemary,

That’s what I thought you meant. That’s why I mentioned the stuff about RNA being converted to cDNA.

I notice that videos are now beginning to appear on Youtube in a pathetic effort to debunk the more accurate picture regarding the alleged pathogenicity of the coronavirus and operation Covid-19 by Dr Andrew Kaufman. The problem is, if people really believe the debunkers (and not just those who are attacking Dr Kaufman) there’s a very bleak future awaiting humanity.

As I have stated many times in my other posts operation Covid-19 is just another ‘silent weapon’ in this ‘quiet war’ that is continuing to be waged against us by forces that wish to steer humanity on an entirely different course and its really nothing new in that respect.

Regards,

Tony

Tom Zavist
Tom Zavist
Apr 24, 2020 5:55 PM

But how are the seven steps going to play out in a collapsed global economy, with chaos, repression, starvation and revolution everywhere? The scheme has made a mess too big for the schemers to handle.

iglon
iglon
Apr 25, 2020 12:26 AM
Reply to  Tom Zavist

governments are not running the show, they will do as they are expected – panicky, stupid moves.

David A
David A
Apr 25, 2020 9:37 AM
Reply to  Tom Zavist

I agree that the details of how it will play out are subject to unknown and unintended consequences. But I am willing to guess that the domination of the world by corporations will increase unimpeded.

The eternal deification of Bill Gates could hit a bump. Not all the guys controlling this have exactly the same agenda, and probably only one of them thinks Bill Gates should be anointed Global Lord Protector in Chief.

luke2236
luke2236
Apr 25, 2020 5:06 PM
Reply to  David A

Oh, (((they))) know how it will play out ; gates is a tool. This is a satanic jew scheme – just look in thetalmud or the protocols , theyve already told us what they plan and how they think it will end. Of course, eventually, they will fail, but its gonna be VERY unpleasant until that time…

Paul Barbara
Paul Barbara
Apr 26, 2020 12:43 AM
Reply to  Tom Zavist

Don’t you believe it. These schemes were planned out hundreds of years ago, and are panning out broadly as expected – two World Wars (with a third to come), the Middle East decimated, with a rogue settler regime firmly established in the area, Latin America under their sway (after some small hiccups), and now under cover of the engineered ‘virus’, they increase Police State regulations, and open up more provocations against Venezuela and Iran, and even start blaming China for the virus, with mutterings of debt write-off to cover costs of virus to America. Sure, the Federal Reserve system is a house of cards, but when it collapses, it won’t be of any benefit to the public; on the contrary, it will plunge the world into an even worse mess than it is now, and the PTB will likely then bring on WWIII.

Olorin
Olorin
May 2, 2020 3:35 PM
Reply to  Tom Zavist

Billions of people will get super ill from being stressed, starved, cold, repeatedly injured, and afraid. Many will die.

That will be taken as proof that the DOOM VIRUS did it.

Martin
Martin
Apr 24, 2020 11:07 AM

Watch “Learning How To Focus and Achieve My Goals” on Swedish Youtube channel Wintergatan. Supercreative musician Martin Molin (who invents and builds his own extraordinary instruments) explains what the neurotransmitter dopamine does and how the media use it to make you passive and their weak-willed slave. His most popular video has 138 million views.

iglon
iglon
Apr 25, 2020 12:39 AM
Reply to  Martin

can you please elaborate as where can we see ” what the neurotransmitter dopamine does and how the media use it to make you passive and their weak-willed slave.” ?/
BTW, his machines are awesome!

Adam
Adam
Apr 24, 2020 10:48 AM

One concerning aspect of all this is how willing people will be to accept their own freedom being taken. Almost all of my friends and family that have been furloughed or working from home, so still receiving 80%-100% of their pay, have said they are actually enjoying it. One my friends even stated ‘I’m free’ simply because he can wake up when he likes and watch TV all day. I know when all of this was starting and was unaware of the potentially devastating reality of the situation I would’ve happily taken a few weeks off work.

Many people it seems would welcome a ‘new normal’ of locking down every year for a few months as long as they’re able to feed their families and go out once a day. I do think over time it would wear thin – the distraction of media entertainment, the long queues to buy food and water, the fear of being stopped by the police, the fear mongering media etc would eventually grow tiresome. It’s just concerning that the time it takes to wear thin could also be the time where it’s becomes difficult to get out of the situation.

BigB
BigB
Apr 24, 2020 11:29 AM
Reply to  Adam

Adam:

You don’t have to believe me, but I have been in full knowledge of what is coming for 40 years. I even said so quite a few times here. Unlike your fiends – and mine – I pretty much study this abhorrent sociology full time …particularly at the moment.

So with full awareness: I have to agree with your friends. This is probably the last taste of freedom we get. Watching telly is a bit lame: but who would want to wake up to the full reality of the current situation now?

Before you may leap to negatavise this comment: consider that change has been my project. Maybe I met all the wrong people: but keeping just so – minimising change and actual change aversion – is how societies maintain order. Berger called it the ”nomos”: others call it the Weltanschauung or cultural worldview …the order that protects us from chaos. That order is dualistic: and determines the chaos …as we will no doubt soon see.

It’s all culturally created and consensually maintained. Other orders are potentially available. Now, try and convey that to others.

The lockdown is also a lockdown of culturally induced insanity. The new normal is a new metastasisation of that insanity. In the meantime: it is surreally graceful. You cannot change the clusterfuck constructivism of social reality unless a significant majority agrees to change. It is a brute sociological fact: people prefer sensory escapism to change. If you can find a way to make this communicable: good luck (genuine; not sarc).

I still believe – for my own sanities sake – that there is an alternative …an ”out”’. But it will take a majorly concerted effort to face reality and choose positive solutions. All I encounter is denial turning to recrimination and blame: which is the anger stage. Acceptance is a while off. Recovery? Let’s hope there is one.

Adam
Adam
Apr 24, 2020 12:10 PM
Reply to  BigB

Thanks for your response. I don’t begrudge anyone for escapism in these or any times, life isn’t always easy and sometimes we need a distraction from harsh realities. I can also see how people could think they are free even under a lockdown, simply because they’re no longer spending 40+hrs a week of their life in a job they don’t love in order to put food on the table, but it’s nowhere near as bad as life could be if this lockdown/social distancing trend continues.

I personally can’t do much if any escapism/distraction at the moment, apart from exercising. At the moment every waking hour I’m not at work and most when I am if I’m honest (I’m a ‘key worker’ but have basically nothing to do all day) are spent researching what’s going on as it’s critical and I’m sure many feel the same way. I think that is going to be one of the unintended positive side effects of this – some, hopefully many that otherwise would be living life as normal will now be compelled to seek truth.

My greatest fear of a ‘new normal’ is that while it may be a change from what we had before, which admittedly wasn’t working all that well, will probably be a change towards further monopolisation of everything humanly possible in the guise of ‘change for the better’, addressing climate change and dealing with pandemics etc.

Reg
Reg
Apr 24, 2020 12:14 PM
Reply to  Adam

In Fahrenheit 451, the wife of the Fireman is to all intents and purposes a vegetable, watching reality TV all the time in her room, all four walls of which are gigantic screens. Ray Bradbury was describing your friend. He is “free” now but this is the start of the slow decay of his mind because the State has decided that being outdoors is a criminal offence, seeing and feeling and smelling nature unnecessary, meeting other people unacceptable and experiencing joy abhorrent. Oh, and they’ll start taking down sites like this one so that there’s no danger of unorthodox channels of communication plugging into his brain. So if all this goes on for ever, your friend will turn into a different creature. Dead in the eyes, dead in the mind, all spontaneity gone, but with just enough intellectual and physical energy to do whatever job he’s meant to do in this Brave New World.

milosevitz
milosevitz
Apr 24, 2020 8:05 PM
Reply to  Reg

The Coming Revolutio
The Coming Revolutio
Apr 24, 2020 5:51 PM
Reply to  Adam

Well then, if we are aware of the fact, we’ve just got to do something about it, haven’t we? There is a verb rarely used nowadays: to refuse.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 24, 2020 6:37 PM

To insist, is another one falling into disuse.

Josh
Josh
Apr 25, 2020 6:27 PM
Reply to  Adam

My whole family thinks I’m an insane conspiracy nut for questioning this. It’s very frustrating. At least I’ve got you guys

breweriana
breweriana
Apr 24, 2020 9:39 AM

The whole ‘coronavirus’ story is fake as hell.

All the ‘recyclable’ refuse from the UK and US ends up mainly in Chinese industrial provinces. This includes electronic waste, where workers have to break the units (PC’s, ‘phones, laptops, printers etc.) to remove the circuit boards which contain gold, tin, copper and, in older units, lead. They do this by dipping the boards into vats of molten lead, whereby the unwanted parts are melted off and thrown away. To remove the gold, an amalgam has to be made: this is accomplished with mercury. The environment is terrible, with pools of polluted water and toxic fumes filling the air.

My comment refers to Wuhan province. Pictures of the city were shown on BBC and ITV, where the ‘virus’ first appeared. The air was quite obviously thick with smog, and yet none of the reporters bothered to mention this. Even small amounts of SO2 (the by-product of fossil fuel burning, particularly lignite) in the air will cause illness. The people there have been protesting about this, for years while now, and little is done to improve things. The ‘coronavirus’ is a hoax to cover for the government’s lack of environmental action that has resulted in a serious health issue for their people.

The real problem is the old problem: poor air quality from the smogs enveloping the city etc. Recall the infamous London ‘Pea-Soupers’ that were a direct result of the SO2 pollution from Battersea power station. People were being found dead in shop doorways from the sulphuric acid, produced from the SO2 they had breathed in, that had destroyed their lungs from the insides. Their symptoms could be easily interpreted as ‘flu: coughing, hard to breathe, chest pains. From wikipedia (not trusted on contentious issues, of course): “The worst recorded instance was the Great Smog of 1952, when 4,000 deaths were reported in the city over a couple of days, and a subsequent 8,000 related deaths, leading to the passage of the Clean Air Act 1956, which banned the use of coal for domestic fires in some urban areas.”

The situation is as bad today in China, with refuse being burned in incinerators and no attempt to clean the effluent emanating from them is made. The same for coal burning power stations, right there. On top of this the Wuhan province is a major industrial zone, making many billions in money every year for their economy. It is not something the government want closed down, rather, delayed ‘until the smog clears’. The problem is environmental, but their government has turned it into a medical issue for political reasons. It stopped the ‘democracy’ protests dead, for one, and the anti-pollution protests in mainland China, too.

And this is before I looked at the BBC and ITV farce with the so-called ‘infected British citizens’ from China. The bus driver, calmly driving along with passengers carrying a ‘deadly virus’, and not even a mask on his face, breathing their air!

The ‘tests’ are not conclusive – a qualified viewpoint can be found here:

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/02/26/coronavirus-covert-operation/

MSM report here, where middle-class Chinese are buying £3000+ aircon systems to keep their children’s lungs safe whilst indoors (no need to read the MSM commentary, just look at the video’s.) The air pollution is horrendous:

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/10/asia/china-wuhan-pollution-problems-intl-hnk/index.html

I am amazed that people who generally have a sceptical approach to the media, have fallen for this one. Now, someone with a bad cough or ‘flu-like’ symptoms is jumped on by the media as a ‘possible’ or ‘likely’ to have the virus, and added to the total for the outbreak.

All done on behalf of big pharma and the security apparatus. Even in Europe, the people ‘self-curfew’ themselves, and not a baton or riot gun in sight, there, or in China. Bet on it that when Sterling crashes in a year to 18 months following brexit, this ‘outbreak’ will again appear, in order to render populations passive.

Josh
Josh
Apr 25, 2020 6:32 PM
Reply to  breweriana

Yep. Dr Sucharit Bakthi (a swiss virologist originally from Vietnam) talks about how air quality plays a big part in how disease spread

He’s written letters to leaders all over the world insisting to end these foolish lockdowns

Blubber
Blubber
Apr 24, 2020 8:38 AM

Anyone find it odd that the public are being actively encouraged to use prison lexicon and behaviours as they’re freedoms are removed? Everyone I know is using the ‘correct’ language quite happily- ‘Lockdowns’ and rattling their metaphorical cell bars by banging pots and pans for nhs etc? Very odd.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Apr 24, 2020 6:00 AM

In case you’re sleeping a bit too soundly at night, or find yourself remaining strangely emotionally “upbeat” during your “house arrest” – this interview with Whitney Webb will be useful in significantly and appropriately recalibrating your psyche.

Sallie Ann
Sallie Ann
Apr 24, 2020 3:44 AM

This is so spot on it’s creepy. I think they want to starve us now with the all too coincidental meat packing plants having too many sick with the virus workers to stay open. Most big supermarket shelves are still empty of canned goods and dry goods. They want to cull the population to make us easier to control. They want us to kill our neighbors for their food and money and make our complete takeover completely bloodless…..much easier considering everyone is at home and most don’t have the internet and rely on tv to get their lies about what is going on. Mao and Stalin starved millions to cull their populations and spread terror among their citizens. The Rothschilds own the world and want rid of you, me, and everyone else they deem worthless…….

Objective
Objective
Apr 24, 2020 2:43 AM

Reading this article has inspired several thoughts not exactly relevant to its nuance but relevant to the narrative covid19 & humanity’s future.

1. Firstly i want to rename covid19 , “wuflu”, lets not get pedantic in a name (I know its isn’t flu, but its catchy) can’t claim credit for it , i saw it used in the comments section in zero hedge, NO its NOT racist!

2. How come politicians all around the world weren’t getting concerned about the very young, elderly & vulnerable when they where killing millions & making 10’s of millions more homeless, destroying infrastructure & countries in their regime change wars!

3. Why are we destroying so much for the terminally ill & terminally old? Its not about economy v lives, it is about lives vs inviable lives. In text that sounds callous, but it is the exact opposite, what about the well being of future generations.

4.I note today Nicola Sturgen, (SNP leader & First Minister of Scotland) assert how she is surprised people have been so compliant with mass incarceration & home arrest. DOES this sound OMINOUS to you? Were politicians actually giving this thought before wuflu?

5. How is mass house arrest of the rest of us protecting the most vulnerable from wuflu when they are all in strict quarantine for 12 weeks?

6. Again Sturgeon asserts the most vulnerable in society may have to be kept under house arrest (or are care homes (an oxymoron if ever there was one) to become the new death camps) for more than a year, to protect them from themselves presumably & life in general.

7. In what world are these bat shit crazy politicians coming from, we are literally shielding people from the risk of living! FFS, honestly!Politicians are stopping people living to save lives, What?

8. Could this be the final neo-liberal takeover, the new world order making its move. Was it inspired in panic, where “populist” leaders & conservatives were gaining political change, brexit, identity politics being seen for the lunacy that it is, climate change fear mongering losing traction & the indoctrinated leftists losing credibility.

9. The final socialist lunacy, the NHS a (good) public service that was supposedly setup with the purpose to benefit society & provide a better life has been flipped & our lives are now managed for the benefit of of a public service.

10. Wuflu is just another fear mongering distraction like the “war on terrorism”, “equality”, “climate change” etc etc all has an element of worthiness, truth & scientific fact, but hijacked & taken out of all context by Neo-liberal technocrats.

I think we’ve arrived at the most profound defining moment in time, whats to come is going to end in a conflict, the like humanity has never witnessed or our infinite slavery to the system & machines. The only solution to tyrannical rule is the regression of technology, rejection of technocracy & “democracy” but who is willing, is it even possible?

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Apr 25, 2020 3:51 AM
Reply to  Objective

The collapse of the Berlin Wall didn’t end in conflict, and the restoration to the old normal is far less of a change than the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Objective
Objective
Apr 25, 2020 4:43 AM

restoration to the old normal is far less of a change

You think?

You don’t sound prepared for whats coming, the new normal means you no longer have a say in anything, and you will be monitored, tracked & recorded everywhere you go.

Freedom to comment in places like this will just be a dim memory. Like the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989. A lot has changed in 30 years, state brutality for one, state surveillance for another.

Where have you been when they destroyed the middle east, killing millions & deconstructing Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, almost Syria & trying very hard with Iran, a third world war is coming.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Apr 25, 2020 5:20 AM
Reply to  Objective

Re: You don’t sound prepared for whats coming

I think it’s THEY who aren’t prepared for what’s coming. There are multiple different interest groupings all trying to push (salvage) their own agenda; and they are doing it largely via open source media. There is no unified They; and there is no overall, coherent plan.

Objective
Objective
Apr 25, 2020 5:55 AM

Ahh ok, yes i agree with that, there is no credible revolution coming, for one thing they’ve all become digital device addicts, fully paid up members of technological drift to automated governance.

I’m thinking more in terms of ideological battle between conservative “right” vs liberal leftist that will end in conflict.

RobG
RobG
Apr 23, 2020 10:18 PM

Where’s Petra? (someone who’s opinion I always like hearing). I would hazard that even Petra is having a hard job keeping up with all the shite that’s going on at the moment.

The covid 19 con makes 9/11 pall by comparison.

There’s never been anything like it, and the psychos think that they can get away with it.

jay
jay
Apr 24, 2020 9:37 AM
Reply to  RobG

….unless you are any one of the 50 countries that the NWO has attacked…
Iraq, Lybia, Syria etc, the apocalypse has already happened…

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Apr 24, 2020 4:41 PM
Reply to  RobG

Thankfully that PSYOPS persona called Petra has kept away for a while. I can’t believe so many of you fall for “her” deliberate work to undermine our genuine concerns about the Deep State.

Reg
Reg
Apr 24, 2020 5:01 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Fun to read though. I like the way she suspects almost everyone to be controlled opposition. Still, sometimes there are bits in her long disquisitions that, I feel, make sense.

Brian
Brian
Apr 23, 2020 9:55 PM

The effect on the public reminds me of the venus flytrap. There is a certain excitement in staring over the cliff edge but then self-control is lost amidst the fear of what might be and then rational discussion becomes impossible. May I plug my done for love website https://www.5gexposed.com/the-corona-virus/

Kalen
Kalen
Apr 23, 2020 8:44 PM

As we have just learned IFR for Santa Clara, Los Angeles and today NYC is many times below that of average seasonal flu, which generally confirms findings of South Korea, Iceland and Germany and even in Italy that lethality to Coronavirus is low. On the other hand catch all CDC definition of COVID deaths makes the number epidemiologically useless. But still people are dying in excessive to Coronavirus inherent lethality numbers in local COVID hotspots. Why?

The question is what actually kills those people.

In part this question is related to ad hoc invasive therapies applied to old or sick patients as many doctors reported.

Recently American doctor Dr. Kyle-Sidell raised disturbing questions along the same lines namely what exactly clinical disease doctors are fighting against because in significant part it is not likely complication from viral lung infection resulting in pneumonia.

Such clinical fact was also confirmed by another doctor Paul Marik, MD Chief of Pulmonary and Critical Care Medicine Eastern Virginia Medical School, Norfolk, VA on April 15th 2020.
https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf

As well by European scientists questioning claims that COVID leads to ARDS while confirm that extended use of Ventilators with high positive pressure can and does induce ARDS.
https://www.atsjournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1164/rccm.202003-0817LE

The issue of wrong use of ventilators that may lead to lung damage was addressed in Time article:
https://time.com/5818547/ventilators-coronavirus/

Successful South Korean doctors also abandoned invasive ventilators as dangerous to elderly replaced with direct blood oxygenation ECMO.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2020/02/14/Oxygen-therapy-working-for-coronavirus-patient-Seoul-says/6651581696794/

Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell is a doctor treating COVID-19 patients in New York City’s Maimonides Medical Center. Nine days ago Dr. Cameron opened an Intensive Care Unit to care for COVID-19 patients in New York City. In his own words:

“I am a physician who has been working at the bedside of COVID+ patients in NYC. I believe we are treating the wrong disease and that we must change what we are doing if we want to save as many lives as possible.”

“In February, South Korean physicians reported that critical Covid-19 patients responded well to oxygen therapy without a ventilator. Patients are getting multiple organ damage from hypoxia. It’s not the pneumonia that’s the killer, it’s the cellular oxygen deprivation. And we are hurting these patients with ventilators.”

Here is full statement on YT.

https://youtu.be/k9GYTc53r2o

Dr Kyle-Sidell suggests that so far specific connection between SARS-Cov2 virus and hypoxia without onset of pneumonia and ARDS has not been established and that current clinical theory and practice of COVID treatment must be re-examined and specific reason of hypoxia individually per every patient must be established before appropriate therapy is chosen. Otherwise it will only hurt patients and cause preventable deaths unrelated to coronavirus.

In addition to hospital therapies and procedures like use of ventilators, pharmaceutical drug regimentation should be re-examined as they are potentially wrongly applied and also can be reason for preventable deaths among COVID patients.

Dr Wodarg from Germany suggested that in certain patients with preexisting conditions like Hepatitis B, C or genetic inherited predispositions to liver disease, broadly spread among elderly, treatment also involving massive doses of IV Vitamin C successfully used in China and NYC may worsen cellular oxygenation capability leading to acute breading difficulty often leading to always dangerous invasive ventilation instead of much safer direct blood oxygenation that is not as broadly available :

https://www.wodarg.com/material/

Other common drug regiments and clinical therapies also may contribute to severe complications and deaths.

As quote from article published on RxIsk.org

…there may be significant number cases where a prior or current medical therapies and even applied to fighting pneumonia associated with COVID strongly contributed to severity of cases or even perhaps hasten patients deaths”

https://rxisk.org/medications-compromising-covid-infections/

Those facts and urgent call from doctors to revise treatment and precisely, clinically define all phases of COVID disease development that can save lives and prevent complications and excessive deaths due to misguided even harmful clinical therapy as it was reported.

So far such important even critical call is met with silence from CDC and broader media that is treating all COVID deaths as resulting from unprecedented inherent lethality of coronavirus not because of chaos and lack of understanding of this disease among medical community and hence implementing counterproductive therapies that make things worse.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Apr 24, 2020 3:11 AM
Reply to  Kalen

Thanks for an excellent post Kalen. I appreciate the information.

Kalen
Kalen
Apr 24, 2020 4:31 AM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

This is half of my comment WSWS censored last weekend.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Apr 24, 2020 5:21 AM
Reply to  Kalen

Very interesting and sad that WSWS censored it. There is nothing like a major propaganda operation to clarify where various alternative media outlets actually stand in relation to free speech and regarding allowing challenges to government approved narratives in their comment’s sections.

Waldorf
Waldorf
Apr 24, 2020 11:26 AM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

WSWS does not actually have as many comments as it used to in less stressful times. Perhaps they are censoring them all?

Reg
Reg
Apr 24, 2020 5:03 PM
Reply to  Waldorf

Or, we can hope, they’ve lost a lot of readers.

ex-milosevic
ex-milosevic
Apr 24, 2020 8:29 PM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

There is nothing like a major propaganda operation to clarify where various alternative media outlets actually stand in relation to free speech

This website’s policy on free speech is not as advertised, either. It appears that I’ve been placed on some kind of pre-moderation hitlist, for reasons that have not been explained. A change of pseudonym has not been entirely sufficient to escape from it; I may have to use a web proxy to change my apparent IP address.

Or perhaps I’ll just go elsewhere, which I suppose is the intended outcome, as this formerly-useful forum follows its namesake into controlled-dissent oblivion.

— the artist formerly known as m*l*s*v*c, until that persona became an un-persona

Oliver
Oliver
Apr 24, 2020 10:35 PM
Reply to  ex-milosevic

Yes

Gerrard White
Gerrard White
Apr 25, 2020 1:21 PM
Reply to  Kalen

WSWS is very curious – they support just about all ruling class measures, facts and figures, and organisations, quoting IMF CDC WHO as if authoritative

they support in efficient, partial lockdowns as if a solution

they think a vaccine is going to be invented soon

they think there is distinction to be made between essential and in essential work

they propose no practical working class solutions, no Worker’s Committees to Combat Epidemics, nothing

they oppose back to work on the grounds it is too dangerous – as if the bug was not already everywhere

? I do not understand how Marxist thought has arrived at this point

their comments section is filled with self satisfied cheer leaders, repeating the same old clichés, apart from one or two dissenting voices

it is as if life has moved on – they are still stuck in yesterday despite

what’s your take?

The Coming Revolutio
The Coming Revolutio
Apr 23, 2020 8:41 PM

The account of a nightmare and not precisely science fiction. However, I wouldn’t narrate only from the “real virus”‘ perspective; that of the clique that planned and orquestrated all of this. That’s what the official experts are doing all over the place with respect to this so called pandemic: talking only of the virus and disregarding the immune system response to it, as if there is only the virus, and us passive victims ready to be butchered. Likewise, we should talk more of “le grand numbre”, as the French say; the tens of millions of souls, practically under domiciliary arrest, and how we are reacting to this. We are not made of steel, your know. We may break at any moment into collective civil desobediente, virus or no virus. When the emphasis is ad perpetuum made about a mortal danger in the shape of a spiked sphere floating in our breathing air, and after so many deprivations on account of the lockdowns, the brain might suddenly snap to the fact that it is perhaps more dangerous to its wellbeing to keep away from sunshine, fresh air and social gatherings than to avoid the spiked virus. We will all die sometime anyhow. What would happen next cannot be stopped.

I’m pretty sure the clique is discussing the matter in their inner circle. If I were in their shoes, God forbid, I would make all of this evolve as smoothly and imperceptibly as possible, so as not give us the opportunity to react violently, like what happens in the fable of the boiling frog.

Fire the time being, the middle and upper classes everywhere are buying the official narrative, and giving support to the emergency measures? (what utter tosh!) because they “seem reasonable to them” and don’t hurt them too much, YET. But if things should continue like this, these classes will sooner than later begin to slide into lower ones and the support given may begin to crumble, unless the clique is develishly clever as to boil us by imperceptible degrees. We must avoid that at all cost and watch out to how things evolve.

A collective awakening is terribly needed. A number of us sense that all of this can’t stand the slightest serious scrutiny, but we are all sparse and the mainstream media is doing a good job at shutting down critic and creative thinking of so many more people and we are witnessing all of this happen without doing anything about it. The hope is that the continuing economic collapse, if it has any purpose, lead to masses of people to snap out of the box and see with new eyes.

RobG
RobG
Apr 23, 2020 10:42 PM

Four steps to understanding what’s going on:

1) the global economy was about to collapse anyway. This is long overdue and is down to almost complete corruption in government and the financial sector.

2) the psychopaths who rule us latched onto seasonal flu as a way of diverting the masses from this corruption and the inevitable economic collapse.

3) some of the psychopaths want to take it one stage further by bringing in a global police state.

4) the psychopaths will also attempt to start a world war.

That’s the basics, which I’ve tried to simplify.

It’s up to you, the people, what you allow to happen next.

The psychopaths can not do anything without your consent.

The Coming Revolutio
The Coming Revolutio
Apr 23, 2020 11:11 PM
Reply to  RobG

You are right Rob but why “you, the people” and not “we, the people”? We are all concerned by this, aren’t we?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 23, 2020 11:47 PM
Reply to  RobG

Fine save the assertion that this is ‘seasonal ‘flu’. It plainly is not, whatever it really is. The Chinese do not lock down an entire province for ‘seasonal ‘flu’.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Apr 23, 2020 11:58 PM

No. They don’t.

Gordo
Gordo
Apr 24, 2020 1:37 AM

No, they likely would not. But, as an excuse to shut down demonstrations in Wuhan and HK? Maybe even some in the West saw this and went ahah.

Jean Wilson
Jean Wilson
Apr 24, 2020 6:53 AM
Reply to  Gordo

You might be on to something there Gordo.

Objective
Objective
Apr 24, 2020 3:06 AM

China would always lock down a province or the country for the fear of a spreading pandemic. Its a communist despotic regime, they fear the masses more than most states, the regime most likely would never have survived the revolt of disgruntled Chinese subjects were millions to die.

Whether it was justified or not is irrelevant, the real question is where did the virus really originate, a bat cave or CIA lab? One thing for sure Pompeos baiting seems very suspicious, a severe case of deflection perhaps?

EvilXi
EvilXi
Apr 24, 2020 5:13 PM
Reply to  Objective

It is XiVirus so stop misleading where the virus was originated

Objective
Objective
Apr 24, 2020 6:59 PM
Reply to  EvilXi

misleading

How can a question mislead?

Objective
Objective
Apr 24, 2020 2:57 AM
Reply to  RobG

For some time i’ve been reading about the conspiracy to take over the world to form a NWO, I’ve never wanted to accept it & to a point i still don’t i really do think this is more than a collective group of psychos (that debate is for another comment). But i now realize their is certainly a element of truth to it.

You just cant ignore the series of events over the last 3 or 4 decades & not connect the dots. Where i’ve always found it incredible is that Russia & China (on face value at least) would be a huge obstacle to this neo-liberal aspiration.

Maybe this is where the wuflu pandemic comes in? Weaken & discredit China the biggest road block to a planned take over of the system? But what do they have planned for Russia?

luke2236
luke2236
Apr 25, 2020 5:15 PM
Reply to  Objective

redchina is the economic and military arm of (((those))) who plan the ‘takeover’

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Apr 24, 2020 3:37 PM
Reply to  RobG

Hello RobG: Your post boiled down the actual facts. It took only .001 % of the world’s population to install the economic and militaristic precursors leading to the crown hoax…
There are already mobilizations of military personnel and hardware occurring in several “strategic” areas, yet the media continues to sell Kool-Aid.

Public consent will rapidly disappear when private cupboards go bare and people are starving…

“Sometimes I think war is God’s way of teaching us geography.”
– Paul Rodriguez, Sr. –

Marfanoid
Marfanoid
Apr 23, 2020 8:20 PM

Tonight the BBC will get so much money that within the next fortnight, they will say you all dont have to pay for your licence.They are teal forward thinking generous sick bastards.Massive peace and love x

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Apr 23, 2020 7:54 PM

Ahh.. the nurses are dancing from successNurses and doctors happily dancing after a coronavirus patient was taken off a ventilator. That explains it all

JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 23, 2020 9:22 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

I’ve heard it all now. They’ve obviously taken a leaf out of the White Helmets’ propaganda exploits when they were caught out faking the rescue of a man from rubble and said they were filming a mannequin challenge for charitable reasons.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 23, 2020 11:48 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

What is it with this contempt for nurses, comparing them to jihadist butchers?

Objective
Objective
Apr 24, 2020 3:07 AM

You aint met my wife she terrifies me sometimes.

DAVID
DAVID
Apr 23, 2020 7:52 PM

And while we are distracted, another modern-day shmuck is currently sending more satan lights, sorry Satellites into earth atmosphere for our brave new world. By the way, when I misspelled “Satellites” it actually autocorrected to “Satan Lights”

Jean Wilson
Jean Wilson
Apr 23, 2020 11:52 PM
Reply to  DAVID

soon there will be so many bloody satellites up there they will begin to block out the sun. oh well, i guess that might help the global warming problem, which is not getting much publicity at the moment. but it continues, nevertheless.

BDBinc
BDBinc
Apr 23, 2020 7:47 PM

Hey Rosemary why do you believe there is a virus ” COVID19″?

Nothing else they’ve told us is true.
The deaths( of diseased and dying people ) were same in as in other blocks of influenza season, with people’s immune systems effected by stress not excessive and the PCR test( CDC ‘s contaminated with corona also known as “common cold virus”)meaningless test does not even have the capability to differentiate between coronas circulating the world.

Marfanoid
Marfanoid
Apr 23, 2020 7:43 PM

In the morning the BBC will tell us how much money they took.It will be a massive amount.Sick x

gordon
gordon
Apr 23, 2020 7:27 PM

bill gates is not a degenerard prevert
he is not married to a man no sir
mr gates is shirley not
representing a cabal of twisted Malthusian
fabian society eugenicks shitters.
who wish the goyim ill no no god bless you no
his windows is still powering the world
infection free for decades
error code free yes really.

why not show your passport in pimlico
if you are not carrying disease or distemper
if you are clean and can provide proofs you are not a super spreader
what have you got to fear
nothing to hide and all that
what what

think of the childs
think of the granny

think nhs

clap you 2 legged pigs clap now

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Apr 23, 2020 7:24 PM

Mark Thompson, former DG of the BBC, has been CEO of The New York Times Company since 2012. It was an odd appointment from the start. The NYT claimed they hired him because of his experience in digital news. As DG his hand would have been busy with political hot potatoes, not least covering up the activities of Jimmy Savile. Any mid-career web journalist would have had more “digital news experience” than Thompson.
So what was the real reason for the head of State Broadcasting in the UK to move to the U.S. newspaper of record?

paul
paul
Apr 23, 2020 9:26 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Thompson is a rabid Zionist. He had private meetings with Netanyahu where he promised him no criticism of Israel would ever appear on the BBC.

jay
jay
Apr 23, 2020 7:17 PM

Stay at Home…Protect the Dancing

Marfanoid
Marfanoid
Apr 23, 2020 7:15 PM

Hello there.Brilliant place to come and put a thought.The BBC tonight will have its biggest audience ever.Sick isnt it x

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 23, 2020 7:13 PM

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/shocking-new-data-show-90-covid-19-patients-ventilators-wont-survive-live-updates

2 Million New Yorkers probably have already have antibodies.

Confirms Dr. Ioannidis’ West Coast estimates re. lethality.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 23, 2020 7:23 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Zero hedge is definitely on the side of evil, but they sometimes print the truth, which is why people believe them. But they, like the drudge report , Breitbart, Alex jones are all in the same Steve Bannon, ultra right, white supremacist gang. To me they are the CIA’s official media.

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 23, 2020 7:30 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

I partly agree with you.

I think however they are a different faction to the CIA. ZH has relentlessly mocked Clinton and Russiagate.

There are a numbe of factions. Open conflict of factions is a typical end of empire phenomenon.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Apr 23, 2020 7:41 PM
Reply to  clickkid

ZH banned me within seconds of me commenting that one of their Wuhan Bat Soup articles read like it had been written by a bureaucrat, probably a mid-level spy. And I mean less than 5 seconds.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 24, 2020 1:39 AM
Reply to  clickkid

They are not in-fighting, they try to launch different issues from different delivery systems. One will tell the truth on everything but sell the global warming scam. Another will trash global warming but sell the silly NWO distraction story. They all sell different stories.

Vanessa
Vanessa
Apr 24, 2020 8:29 AM
Reply to  jack(jim)

Apologies Jack (Jim), I completely agree with you, but when I pressed the “vote up” button was told that I’d already voted. There was 1 “vote down” showing so I assumed that I must have inadvertently touched the wrong button. I tried to reverse this by pressing it again (to get my vote back), but that had the opposite effect, resulting in you now having 2 negative votes. I am sad about this as it was not my intention but I don’t know how to undo it.

Just to reiterate: I think you are completely accurate in your assessment that the Dreadful Few operate by controlling all sides of the argument.

Ted
Ted
Apr 23, 2020 7:46 PM
Reply to  clickkid

21% in New York City, suggesting a raging epidemic recently passed. The Santa Clara percent was about 4% on the top end, similar to LA. We are starting to see convergence of the general direction of different tests, though estimates are off.

Now to the question of the very very high number of deaths attributed to Covid19 in NYC metro. New Jersey reports about 40% of deaths in senior care facilities … staring to look like a syndemic to me.

Ted
Ted
Apr 23, 2020 7:47 PM
Reply to  Ted
clickkid
clickkid
Apr 23, 2020 8:11 PM
Reply to  Ted

So Ted, tell me what does that make the lethality rate?

Three clues: ‘baseball’, ‘influence’, ‘calendar’-

I’ll give you five minutes to give me the answer.

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 23, 2020 8:17 PM
Reply to  clickkid

I guess you must be out clapping for the health workers – a bit late though, better not let the neighbours catch you.

The answer is:

“In the ballpark of seasonal Influenza”

Ted
Ted
Apr 23, 2020 9:06 PM
Reply to  clickkid

So probably the stupidest thing people who all agree that what is happening right now is not OK is to start leveling accusations of their fellow travelers are not being “pure” enough. Drop the clown act. The world is desperately in need of fewer clowns and more reasoning mature humans.

Ted
Ted
Apr 23, 2020 8:25 PM
Reply to  clickkid

10290 confirmed in NYC ( as of today) / 1,743,000 infected New Yawkas = 0.59 percent. And this is for the global ground zero of Covid19 attributed deaths. (so outside of metro NYC much lower IFR.)

NY Metro will stand out always as a wild outlier for Covid19 attributed deaths. Assuming these are excess deaths and not recategorizations, that anomaly will need to be explained. I am now leaning on an indictment of really bad elder care in the US and elsewhere. But particularly horrible in Metro New York.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Apr 24, 2020 12:44 PM
Reply to  Ted

Seems like some NJ facilities may be using the hysteria to “offload unprofitable inventory” Jack Kevorkian style. Never did trust those places.

RobG
RobG
Apr 23, 2020 7:09 PM

If people continue to put up with this I will completely wash my hands of the UK (and I’m a British citizen, whatever that means)…

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/23/what-would-year-physical-distancing-mean-for-uk

Grow a pair, for feck’s sake.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 23, 2020 7:25 PM
Reply to  RobG

A year in prison, is a serious sentence.

crispy
crispy
Apr 23, 2020 9:40 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

Well its 7 years if you [email protected] about in Russia,not that many people really care to mention this,and it certainly doesn’t get mentioned on kremlin international propaganda platform,RT international

Oh,plus they’re busy closing down websites who peddle fake news about covid,the Russians that is,not only websites but anyone now who is overhead in public,or placing an anti covid poster can now be potentially jailed,up to 5 years for that particular ‘ crime’

And yet people interminable bleat and blather about the uk becoming a
” totalitarian fascist state ”

And poor old crispy just gets bile and nasty ad hom insults for mentioning this fact,but i forgot,Putin and the Russians are good guy because they helped keep a bent murderous dictatorship,Assad, in power,please let me put them forward for a [email protected] peace prize!

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 23, 2020 10:43 PM
Reply to  crispy

Come back when you’ve read a book – ANY book. “Education” isn’t just a word, you know. Nor are “research”, “truth” or “honesty” just words. At least SOME homework is involved. I suspect “poor old Crispy” isn’t really old enough yet…

crispy
crispy
Apr 24, 2020 10:14 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Oh you don’t like the truth being do you,no you REALLY don’t

I see you plus a few other Putin fan boys,why don’t you see what Putin favourite pit bull,the strong man of Chechnya is doing about covid????

I’ll tell you,he’d kill the folks who write for OFF g writes,Putin has new laws to basically close down sites like this,which would certainly be classed as fake news in Russia

Education,meh,I’ve got more in my toe nail clipping than some idiot like you!

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 24, 2020 6:27 PM
Reply to  crispy

Just in case you hadn’t noticed, Washminster is getting very good at creating new laws too, including the potential to close down sites like this.
When people start yakking on about Putinbots and such, intelligent discussion is no longer possible, because childish insults from a standard Establishment database are used instead of rational, critical, individual thought. As I said earlier, there’s more to education than just saying, “I’m educated”. You haven’t done your homework, which makes you useless here.

The Coming Revolutio
The Coming Revolutio
Apr 27, 2020 7:23 PM
Reply to  wardropper

You are raising an important point here. There is a widespread way of thinking that takes the word for the fact, the appearance for the substance. For instance it privileges TALKING of democracy than BEING in democracy, as if talking of it were a sign of being in it; it sees inclusive language as important as the fact of social inclusion, etc Also, this way of thinking assumes that science and technology is the answer to human ailments and sufferings despite the harsh reality showing otherwise. Some call this way of thinking “progressism”, which as I see it, has a negative definition: “the denying of any immutable principle”, like Groucho Marx said, “These are my principles, and of you don’t like them I have others.” I rather call it superficial non-sustancial thinking. Everything exists only as long as it has a utilitarian use to it here and now, and there is a technical solution to every problem, there is no ultimate truths. There is no other solutions or explanations other than what the technique, the numbers, say, forgetting than numbers delivered by the sciences and techniques, without a human interpretations of them are useless.

If you examine any ancient but also not so ancient textbook on any exact science, you’ll find that you can understand them and read them like any book on Humanities, like philosophy. That is, they are full of sense, the emphasis is on making sense, on deep understanding, not only on wanting to be being efficient to solve particular problems. Even more, ancient writers knew that you can’t possibly solve a problem without understanding it first; sheer common sense. And it was very common that these textbooks should have hundred of pages. The authors were human beings addressing other human beings, and the link that bind them was the logical thinking they shared and the goal, perfect evidence in the arguments for the sake of understanding. In the introduction for his book “A Treatise of Fluxions”, XVIIIth-century Scottish geometer Colin MacLauren writes (bear in mind that everything having to do with what we now call mathematics was then referred to as Geometry): “Geometry is valued for its extensive usefulness, but has been most admired for its evidence; mathematical demonstrations being such as has been always supposed to put an end to dispute, leaving no place for doubt or cavil. It acquired this character by the great care of the old writers, who admitted no principles but a few self-evident truths, and no demonstrations but such as were accurately deduced from them. The science being now vastly enlarged, and applied with success to philosophy and the arts, it is of greater importance than ever that its evidence be preserved perfect.” In the mind of the author, what’s important iwas to putting ends to disputes and differences by following a strict logical thinking that no one could contest, arriving thus to conclusions that all should agree upon. But he was also seeing that, along with the enlargement of the science came a relaxing in the strictness with which demonstrations were carried out. I mean these books have a goal and the goal was to make understand things without leaving a shadow of doubt.

Now take a look at a modern Economics book; even if you have a mathematical background you wouldn’t understand a thing, so much it is filled with symbols, formulas, etc without or with very few enlightening “human messages”; these new books don’t want the reader to understand, only to apply formulas, heaven knows where they come from, in view of specific results in specific situations. I mean, there is not a word as to what the Economics Sciences mean, what is their purpose for a human society, their principles, etc. Just apply the formulas. Everything is driven by efficiency.

This way of considering things is then not unrelated to the gigantic growth of technology and capitalism where everything is a commodity with a tag on it. “No time to understand, this is the shortcut, apply it and you’ll be fine.” Even psychology and psychiatry have given up human understanding and prefer to prescribe drugs; the human soul is a complicated proposition, and there is no time to try and understand it, just take this pill. Humanity in us, what makes us what we are, is slowly but surely being removed from us and human life is more and more reduced to mere transactions where there is no depth, no meaning, no sense of value other than what possessions might give its owner.

The Coming Revolutio
The Coming Revolutio
Apr 27, 2020 7:27 PM

Correction: the name of the author is Colin MacLaurin.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 27, 2020 8:21 PM

Wish I could give you a hundred upvotes for that accurate and timely exposition, ComingR. Thank you.

The Coming Revolutio
The Coming Revolutio
Apr 28, 2020 7:37 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Thanks. You know, when comparing with past societies, we often praise ourselves for living in ones that are more advanced in that everything is made available and easy to obtain, and wherein people, we are told, are happier and live in better conditions than before, but I think we are intitled to ask the question as to whether we are more or less human than they were.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 24, 2020 12:03 AM
Reply to  crispy

Ahh, crappy, the jihadist fan-boy.

crispy
crispy
Apr 24, 2020 12:07 PM

……as opposed to the kremlin backed Wagner group who murdered a Syrian in the most brutal and awful way?????????

…..oh,[email protected] me,i forgot,yet AGAIN the Ru