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This Week in the Guardian #6 This week sees more boosting of censorship, a collection of cognitive dissonance and the return of our old Russian friends.

Every week, on a Sunday, we like to highlight three or four stories that go full-Guardian, but don’t require an entire article of refutation.
We encourage reader-participation here, so if you come across something you feel should be included in the next edition either post a link below, or send us an e-mail.

#DePlatformIcke

The Guardian has a story covering the campaign from two NGOs to have David Icke thrown off all social media platforms. While the article is very long on the various claims made by Icke and the D-list celebrities who agree with censoring the man, it goes into decidedly less detail on who funds the NGOs involved.

It also disregards entirely the potential ethical problems posed by large well-funded institutions campaigning for the censorship of an individual. And avoids any questioning of the idea of giant tech companies cooperating with the government to decide which opinions are allowed.

This isn’t about David Icke, it’s about setting a precedent – censorship for the public good. The Center for Countering Digital Hate and Hope Note Hate are the terrifying face of modern authoritarianism. Fascism in the name of friendliness and safety.

“First they came for the conspiracy theorists…”

The Lockdown and Doublethink

This is just a nice display of how modern journalism requires an editorial line that totally disregards internal logic.

In this article, Simon Tisdall documents all the ways in which the lockdown-generated economic crash could destroy the lives of people in the third world. And in this one Polly Toynbee goes into great detail about all the unemployed young people we’re about to create…because of the lockdown. Neither of them argues the lockdown should be ended.

Whilst here, Robert Reich says that Trump ending the lockdown would be terrible and dangerous and kill people, and Lloyd Green blames Trump for surging unemployment in the US, without mentioning the lockdown at all.

You see, ending the Lockdown is bad, because Trump wants to do it. But also, the lockdown is causing massive unemployment – both here and abroad – which could kill millions of people thanks to poverty, famine, and non-Covid diseases.

Keeping the meat-packing plants open is dangerous and irresponsible, but there are fears of panic buying or food shortages if they’re closed. There’s no word on the potential deaths caused by starvation and food shortages, which are discussed at length in other articles.

In summary, we’re told he lockdown’s effect will kill literally 10x more people than the disease has done so far, but if you want to end it you’re a pro-Trump anti-science virus-denier.

Mind-boggling.

Russia, Russia, Russia!

Perhaps a sign that the Covid19 narrative is waning is The Guardian’s abandonment of it’s happy-clappy Coke-advert approach to globalism, and return to what it does best – vilify Russia based on flimsy evidence and to very little purpose.

Firstly, by repeating the totally unsubstantiated claims that Putin is planning to assassinate the mayor of Prague. Apparently the motive is the removal of a statue of a Soviet war hero. At least, according to the “anonymous sources in Czech intelligence”, whose assertions (and existence) remain unquestioned throughout the article.

Secondly, by claiming that the aid Russia delivered Coronavirus aid to Italy was donae partly for “political purposes” – to which the response “No shit Sherlock” comes to mind.

Maybe The Guardian genuinely thinks that when NATO countries deliver aid they do it out of the kindness of their hearts, anonymously, without even a thought to geo-politics or public relations. Or maybe they’ll say any rubbish they’re told to say.

It is interesting that this story appears this week, though, and not a month ago when the aid was delivered. A sign that narrative cohesion is collapsing? Or that some people (namely Russia) won’t be welcome at the globalist party? Or maybe that they plan to abandon the “we’re all in this together” aspect of the Coronavirus panic?

Who knows. It’s reassuring to see Russophobic nonsense back on the Guardian’s front page though.

BONUS – Navel Gazing World Championships

The Guardian’s opinion section is always a wonderful source of the truly absurdly shallow. While their coronavirus coverage totally neglects the arguments against the lockdown and experts dissenting from the “consensus”, they DO have plenty of space for one novelist struggling in the lockdown…even though they wrote a book about self-isolation and for a lady to ramble on about she doesn’t mind staying inside anymore.

These are real, heartfelt thoughts…and not at all attempts to boost novel sales (the book is linked to three times), or just ego-maniacally pat themselves on the back.

Good for a chuckle.

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All told, a busy week for The Guardian. And we didn’t even cover the murder hornets, or the terrible impact the coronavirus is having on social media influencers.
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wardropper
wardropper
May 5, 2020 7:08 PM

The collapsed “narrative cohesion” is no coincidence. The “authorities” no longer care whether what they are doing makes any sense to us. The only important thing is what THEY can get out of it.
We absolutely MUST realize this, if we are ever to hold these wretched “representatives” of ours to account, otherwise the picture will remain so foggy that any shrewd lawyer could successfully defend their moral purity.

Stonky
Stonky
May 5, 2020 5:04 AM

Once this is all over I’m going to publish a compilation of mindbogglingly tedious Guardian articles by eyewateringly uniteresting middle-class Guardian women telling their staggeringly boring Guardian lockdown stories. It will run to several volumes – like Proust, although probably a bit longer – and I’m thinking of calling it “A la Recherche de Mon Lockdown Boreathon”. I’m sure to get some space in the Guardian to promote it, although I’ll obvously have to self-identify as a woman first.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
May 5, 2020 6:15 AM
Reply to  Stonky

Today, I’m self identifying as a tree. Tomorrow it may be a cat. Or a block of chocolate. Who knows? Choices, choices, Stonky. In your compilation, don’t forget to say you’re a full on ‘activist’ supporter of #MeToo and just love wearing your pussy hat. Even inside! That’ll get you a few brownie points.
These people seem to love the word ‘activist’ even tho what they mean by ‘activist’ does absolutely nothing to change the status quo or the system. And for some odd reason, they seem to have an aversion to icky poor people and those doing it tough.
Odd that. Oh, yeah, you made a comment about Polly Toynbee. What can I say?
Zzzz Zzzzz Zzzz Zzzzz…..

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 5, 2020 11:56 PM
Reply to  Stonky

Actually Proust’s original title of “À la recherche du temps perdu” is not a bad description of the lockdown.

nameen
nameen
May 6, 2020 10:27 AM
Reply to  Stonky

Talk about how you became proletarianized as a result of having to really rough it out following your fine arts degree. Go on to discuss how your latest art piece is inspired by this Stormzy album you’ve been listening to and how you “get it”. Also, mention how down you are, not because your full of guilt, pity and contempt, but because your a selfless activist. To guarantee it gets published, mention how you moved to ‘insert inner city area’ before everyone else.

Jane Goodall
Jane Goodall
May 30, 2020 6:31 AM
Reply to  Stonky

So why are you even here then, bully?

Igor
Igor
May 4, 2020 9:55 PM

Intelligence agencies specialize in disinformation. The deep secrets remain secret for the most part, otherwise there is the risk of revealing the assets who would have been in a position to reveal those secrets.

The probability is high that one, or more, Intelligence agency would be involved in, or had prior knowledge of, the production and release of a virus. The Harvard connections to the current virus carry with them the strong probability of a CIA connection.

Who benefits most from the current state of affairs? Big Pharma and Big Brother. Led by Bill Gates, another Harvard connection.

Who suffers most? Individuals and local Small Businesses. Amazon becomes the social distanced supplier of choice to the People. Amazon is also the cloud services provider to the CIA.

aspnaz
aspnaz
May 5, 2020 4:08 AM
Reply to  Igor

Lockdown is a blatantly obvious attempt to control the collapse of the western economies. Trump and Johnson are using scientific advisors funded by the Gates Foundation and WHO, yet at the same time the USA hands control of WHO over to China and Gates? Then the whole western world is borrowing more (NZ actually started QE) so that they can fund corporate welfare and the welfare required to pay for people to stay away from work. Sure, the virus is a great cover if your goal was to crash the economy and try to cripple the western world in order to bring in something new. Interestingly, China has not had a universal lockdown. We will discover what this is really all about in good time.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 6, 2020 11:11 AM
Reply to  aspnaz

The USA has been throttling and privatising the WHO for years. ‘Handing it over to China’, is more racist, Sinophobic, bilge.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 5, 2020 5:16 AM
Reply to  Igor

A forget-me-not from Jeff Epstein. A pal of Bill Gates, Epstein had a personal office at Harvard and was very much connected to the life sciences professors with an interest in all things transhuman, such as blending digital technology and human life.
Jeff Epstein’s personal life-timing may also have significance.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
May 4, 2020 8:26 PM

I was in the guardian comments page today, I lasted all of 20 minutes before I was deleted, which isn’t a record. I can only assume they have GCHQ supplying them with tracking info on all the comment writers, so it must be easy to spot ‘offenders’ who write facts and real things. It is a creepy place now, I don’t think any of the other comments were real, they seems weird and empty, like the ghosts of dead souls, desperate to say nothing.

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
May 4, 2020 9:02 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

Nicely put hehe

77 Brigade Not
77 Brigade Not
May 4, 2020 9:49 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

77 Brigade employ thousands of empty headed anoraks to post pre-written drivel in support of the virus hoax … it’s working!

Elijah
Elijah
May 5, 2020 12:55 AM
Reply to  jack(jim)

I had the exact same thing happen to me on Craig Murray’s blog. It’s moderated in real time so anti establishment whistle blower seems to be a front for disinfo agent.

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus
May 5, 2020 1:33 AM
Reply to  Elijah

It’s moderated in real time

as is this forum, n’est ce pas?

breweriana
breweriana
May 5, 2020 10:27 AM
Reply to  Elijah

“seems to be a front for disinfo agent.”
IS a front for disinfo agent.
Fixed.

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus
May 5, 2020 1:30 AM
Reply to  jack(jim)

I can only assume they have GCHQ supplying them with tracking info on all the comment writers, so it must be easy to spot ‘offenders’ who write facts and real things. It is a creepy place now, I don’t think any of the other comments were real

— you’ve missed the most simple and obvious interpretation, which is that they only need to track the paid disinfo shills, who can be assumed to be on-message, and then everybody who isn’t one can be carefully monitored for crimethink and immediately memory-holed if necessary.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 5, 2020 5:23 AM
Reply to  jack(jim)

Before I was cancelled at another site, to be known only as Z, I noticed a strange phenomenon connected to the delayed appearance of certain words, as if AI was querying the data that I entered in real time. I don’t mean the usual slow-down that you get from typing in a browser which makes it very hard to edit text as there is a time delay when you reposition the cursor. This was something I hadn’t seen before.

malcolm
malcolm
May 9, 2020 4:54 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

I stopped commenting on the guardian after they deleted my comments which highlighted contradictions in the said article by linking back to a previous guardian article which averred the opposite. the guardian doesn’t like criticism of the article itself..

gordon
gordon
May 4, 2020 8:21 PM

we are now entering the search and destroy phased array stage
sorry contact trace yes that’s it.

had a flash back to my sas days hunting and killing for zion

track and trace the technology is world beating made by the NHS can you believe it yes i will say it again the NHS

they built the technology nothing to do with darpa,gchq,mi5,mi6,mossad,amazon,bill gates and google
this is an NHS X project amazing A

did you know a couple of years ago your doctor sold your medical files off to google and amazon
did you know that ?
did you know your organs are the property of the nhs when you snuff it
did you know that

both issues where not a scheme you consented to join
but you had to contact your doctor to opt out you where given a few months because you did not opt out
you are all in

bob
bob
May 4, 2020 8:18 PM

imagine it’s 2030 …………

ame
ame
May 4, 2020 10:15 PM
Reply to  bob

imagine calling yourself truther in 2020 and missing the biggest elephantine in the room ‘trump’ and selling the anon q crap which she does
half truther if that

Elijah
Elijah
May 5, 2020 1:11 AM
Reply to  bob

Are there only two choices? I have seen this suggestion before that you either live in one of these surveillance cities or you start up a luddite commune. This narrative of the two future choices is going round both the alt left and the alt right media at the moment.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 4, 2020 7:59 PM

Every Covid-19 Commercial is Exactly the Same *Cue somber piano music* We’re living in “uncertain times” but “we’re here for you” in the “comfort and safety of your home” because “we’re all in this together!” #together
From Forbes to Fast Company, the business press agrees that the eerie similarity is due to the need to cobble together commercials at short notice, using available royalty-free piano tracks and clichéd, focus-group phrases. And, BTW, it’s not a conspiracy #notaconspiracy #definatelynotaconspiracy
https://youtu.be/vM3J9jDoaTA

bob
bob
May 4, 2020 8:06 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

and all paid for by us – the ones being targetted by this fascist entity

Elijah
Elijah
May 5, 2020 1:00 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

We’re all in it together and it’s in your hands!

Shardlake
Shardlake
May 4, 2020 7:54 PM

The Nightingale hospital in London is to be mothballed and the sixty-something patients who are currently warehoused there are to be hospitalised elsewhere. The refurbishments are to be retained in the event of it being necessary at some future indeterminate date, but meanwhile the state will be paying the rental charges for a building with facilities for 4,000 patients that will have reached a maximum of sixty users. It would be interesting to know the monthly rental charge the English tax payer is having to fork out to the middle east owners of the building. My understanding is that a similar facility in Glasgow has cost Scottish tax payers forty-three million pounds to date and costs are still rising. Another example of the NHS being safe in Conservative government hands; our NHS certainly helps the middle eastern owners, so not all bad then.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
May 4, 2020 8:39 PM
Reply to  Shardlake

If its anything like over here (US) the problem with hospital capacity isn’t the actual bed space, its the difficulty of discharging patients who are recovered but either have nowhere to go or nobody that’s willing to accept them. (However, in a current report this has seen by the more enterprising sorts as an opportunity…..)

Loverat
Loverat
May 4, 2020 9:09 PM
Reply to  Martin Usher

My experience of being in hospital and of close relatives is not difficulty in finding accomdation on discharge but getting the hospital to complete the discharge paperwork in the first place.

In fact, in 2014 I was admitted and discharged to and from 3 hospitals and still mentally scarred by the experience. My 3rd admittance (which was actually a transfer) it took 8 hours – only hastened by losing most of my blood. As I always say, the NHS are a bureaucratic, soul destroying nightmare – keep out. But they provide excellent emergency care when you really are ill and have the best surgeons. And make a good chicken soup when you finally come around.

But I guess thats all a separate story although perhaps a reason they thought the NHS might collapse with more admissions than normal.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 4, 2020 9:37 PM
Reply to  Martin Usher

Another symptom of a ‘society’ rotten to the core.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 4, 2020 9:36 PM
Reply to  Shardlake

Better to have not prepared, eh, Shard, and had hospitals collapse under the strain. Hindsight is a wonderful conceit inflater.

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
May 4, 2020 11:41 PM

I’m sure it’s all going to be explained away as a perfectly natural overreaction based on the reports received from China. Even those speaking out against it are already paying sycophantic lip service to Gates et al, presumably in the hopes of not sabotaging their careers too much, and helping people to climb down from the situation (as they see it). In so doing, unfortunately, they inevitably give credence to the mythology that’s fast emerging. However we know that Fergusson was inflating the numbers from the word go, according to Prof Michael Levitt and straying from usual epidemiological procedure, according to Prof Knut Wittkowski.

Clearly Imperial’s charlatanism and the propaganda blitzkrieg have always superseded any responsible documentation of the emergence of this postulated novel virus. Some respect for the truth must be demonstrated when this all plays out. I mean, mustn’t it?

No, you’re right. I suspect not too.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 6, 2020 11:14 AM
Reply to  Admin2

The Chinese will publish facts, which will be ignored, denied or distorted in the Western MSM sewer. And, don’t doubt, this has a long way to go.

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
May 6, 2020 2:48 PM

I recognise that Russia, for instance, at a certain point in time was deporting itself well on the international stage, against a backdrop of Russophobia. I wasn’t under the impression they were beyond question and I suggest that China should be viewed similarly. States act in their own self-interest and, as we witness in our own countries, this isn’t always, or even often, in the interests of its people.

jay
jay
May 4, 2020 7:51 PM

Handycock launches NHS coronavirus contact-tracing app on the Isle of Wight TOMORROW before national roll-out despite data protection concerns and warning it failed cyber security tests

Squealer No1: Health Secretary Muck Handycock announced this afternoon that the app will start being used by NHS staff on the island from tomorrow morning, and then other residents there from Thursday.

The Government and IT go together like a safari park monkey and your windscreen wiper blades…
It’s like 1984, only Big Brother is Tommy Copper.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 4, 2020 8:06 PM
Reply to  jay

How does patient confidentiality and General Data Protection Regulation (EU) 2016/679 jive with contact tracing? Well, all your rights are dishwater as and when we decide.
Note Article (4) The processing of personal data should be designed to serve mankind. The right to the protection of personal data is not an absolute right; it must be considered in relation to its function in society and be balanced against other fundamental rights, in accordance with the principle of proportionality.

jay
jay
May 4, 2020 8:19 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

I guess you’d be signing confidentiality away…
Like as not the code will have plenty of exploits for hackers to empty the mask wearers bank accounts and or give them the shits.
Pass the popcorn…

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 4, 2020 9:41 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Those words are worthy enough, if the authority in charge is a JS Mill or the like, but in the paws of a Tory sub-fascist knuckle-dragger, say the loathsome Duncan-Smith or any of his ilk, it’s not worth a bucket of warm spit.

Xena
Xena
May 6, 2020 9:06 AM

Interesting you bring up Mill. Was it not his progenitor (Bentham) that invented the panopticon

He employs a strangely familiar argument:
“Morals reformed – health preserved – industry invigorated, instruction diffused – public burthens lightened”

And his words from 1798 ring true to the present topic:
“A building circular… The prisoners in their cells, occupying the circumference—The officers in the centre. By blinds and other contrivances, the Inspectors concealed… from the observation of the prisoners: hence the sentiment of a sort of omnipresence—The whole circuit reviewable with little, or… without any, change of place. One station in the inspection part affording the most perfect view of every cell.”

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 6, 2020 11:16 AM
Reply to  Xena

Yes, creepy, but Betham really believed in gaols as places of reformation. Today, it’s just to find the Badthinkers, for future disposal.

bob
bob
May 4, 2020 7:29 PM

is there anybody in britain today that knows what the phrase ‘man the barricades’ means

Loverat
Loverat
May 4, 2020 9:20 PM
Reply to  bob

bob

Try a google search and see what comes up.
My guess its a bit like ‘all hands on deck’ . Strangely I keep hearing similar expressions in these times. I had thought I had escaped the office expressions I so hated when I left full time work a year back.

Sadly its coming back. My boss in my part time job rarely used these annoying expressions which is one reason I liked him. That until recently when I was l was temporarily laid off (or furlowed?) with a ‘we will touch base in a week or so’

Luckily not touched base since.

Justin
Justin
May 4, 2020 7:16 PM

Russia, Russia, Russia?! How about China?!?!

Interesting there is no mention of China in this article when Fox News has been ratcheting up the war drums for a US-China conflict. Every major news outlet in the US has a dedicated cover story bashing China. I see little of Russia.

The Chinese and larger Asian diaspora living in the west are fast becoming the new Jews of the pre-WW2 era. The greedy, sub-human mongrels sent to invade the radiant lands of a civilised western world must be stopped!

Then again some form of Sinophobia has lived in western minds for centuries. Ah, what a convenient bogeyman!

I think we shall have to take the Chinese in hand and regulate them. I believe that as civilized nations become more powerful they will get more ruthless, and the time will come when the world will impatiently bear the existence of great barbaric nations who may at any time arm themselves and menace civilized nations. I believe in the ultimate partition of China — I mean ultimate. I hope we shall not have to do it in our day. The Aryan stock is bound to triumph.

– Winston Churchill, 1902

The likes of Steve Bannon and the multi-headed hydra that is the Anglo propaganda apparatus knows this all too well.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
May 4, 2020 8:34 PM
Reply to  Justin

America’s problem, as they have suddenly realised too late, is that they can’t go to war with their own industrial base, which is now located in China, until they have disentangled themselves from the Chinese economy, but by then it will be too late, they will have lost the upper hand.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
May 4, 2020 8:58 PM
Reply to  Justin

The problem with “Russia” is our media can’t shake the Cold War habit of regarding these societies as a bunch of automatons controlled from a single source. The idea predates the 1917 revolution as well — we were going on about “Russia” in the 19th centuries and except for a brief bit around 1914 when the Kaiser took over as the bete noir with the Russians as allies Tsar Nicholas was regarded as “the bad boy of Europe”.

I know that if I were an English speaking Russian (and there are plenty of them about) then I’d have quite a bit of fun stirring the pot.

Churchill’s attitude to China is just the racism prevalent in the 19th and most of the 20th centuries. We actually had a go at partitioning China (which is why when it ‘unpartitions’ we then can point a finger at its lust for conquest) but it seems fairly coherent at the moment and likely to stay that way. (So we’ll continue the ongoing process of partitioning Russia…..)

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 4, 2020 9:52 PM
Reply to  Martin Usher

Partition is plainly the Real Evil Empire’s ambition for China. It supports separatists, often terrorists, others mere running-dogs, demanding the separation of Tibet, parts of Chinese provinces near Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Inner Mongolia, even ‘Manchuria’, a flash-back to Japanese Imperialism and ‘Manchukuo’. And have done so, with billions, since 1949.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 4, 2020 9:48 PM
Reply to  Justin

Imagine Churchill, the architect of the Great Bengal Famine, a genocidaire at least the equal of Hitler, representing the barbarian thugs of that offshore island, Perfidious Albion, calling the Chinese ‘barbarians’. But, believe me, that racist, civilizational hatred is the new pseudo-religion of the entire Austfailian ruling garbage.

RobG
RobG
May 4, 2020 7:00 PM

My cousin’s son died at the weekend. His name was Hamish and he was in his mid forties. I didn’t know Hamish that well, but on the occasions he came over to France I found him to be a thoroughly nice chap. Hamish had heart problems. He worked in a pub. He was laid off a month or so back when they closed all the pubs. Since then Hamish has had a monumental battle with the DWP to try and get any unemployment benefits.

Hamish had recently been the father to a baby daughter, who he looked after while he was unemployed and his partner was still able to go out and work. Hamish apparently died from a heart attack. We don’t know for sure at the moment what the actual cause of death was, because there’s supposed to be a coroner’s inquest which will probably never happen (due to the Coronavirus Act). When there is a funeral for Hamish it will be limited, by law, to ten mourners. We can’t travel over from France because the borders are going to remain closed until at least late July. This is going to totally decimate the tourist industry (including our gite business).

As the old saying goes, don’t get angry, get even.

The evil feckers behind all this have no idea what’s going to hit them.

Willem
Willem
May 4, 2020 7:21 PM
Reply to  RobG

All these people who think that the lockdown is such a brilliant idea should read tragic stories like this. But they don’t…

So we have to it, somehow, bring such stories to them.

My condolences Rob.

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 4, 2020 8:46 PM
Reply to  RobG

Sorry to hear this, Rob. This sums up the reality of the situation – everyone who is dying during these dystopian times, whatever the cause and whatever their religious beliefs, is having to forego the final farewell which they and their family would have wished for. That is true criminality. Those villains making up the rules on a whim as they go along and with no thought or care for the consequences of their actions on other people must be held accountable when the truth comes out.

It is also a travesty that religious and non-religious celebrants have been prepared to go along with this with barely a murmur in dissent; all the more nonsensical when we hear that the 2 metre social distancing rule is arbitrary and unlikely to have made any difference in any circumstances, and politicians and those advising them must have been aware of this. Families will never recover from the heartbreak and complete disregard for their lives and the ultimate denial by society of their right to pay the desired respects to relatives. This is just one of many irreversible travesties coming out of this scandal.

It struck me earlier today that, in days gone by, it was recognised that certain careers were undertaken out of a humanitarian sense of duty by people of conscience and with a desire to help their fellow man even if it meant putting their own lives on the line. They were not a rarity but thankfully not many of them were called upon to test their conviction. But such a sense of moral duty and compassion doesn’t exist any more. Clergymen, doctors and nurses all seem far more concerned about protecting their own well-being over and above that of others and are even, by some accounts, prepared to sacrifice their charges to protect themselves. Florence Nightingale, Edith Cavell and Mary Seacole, to name but three, must be turning in their graves. And I wonder what they would have said about the TIkTok antics.

But we who can see the depth of depravity over the handling of this ‘pandemic’ are accused of being the heartless and uncaring ones.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 4, 2020 9:56 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Nassty stuff indeed seeing as scores of nurses and doctors have DIED while treating patients of this disease. The hatred of doctors and nurses displayed by some of the more hard-core ‘sceptics’ is truly repulsive.

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus
May 5, 2020 2:01 AM
JDee
JDee
Jun 6, 2020 9:49 AM

Havent we read from day 1 that the death figures of doctors and nurses was a total fabrication by the MSM?
Surely it is common knowledge by now that the novel C19 is itself a fabrication and a monstrous lie that duped the whole world into submission.
Isn’t that what has been seen time and time again on this site and other alt. media sites?

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
May 4, 2020 8:50 PM
Reply to  RobG

There was an interesting article recently about the notion of a ‘weaponized bureaucracy’, the idea that you can keep claimant numbers low by making the application process so Byzantine that many give up or find they’re ineligible. This has been something of a growth industry in the US in Republican (so called ‘red’) states but got thrown into reverse because it also relies on a lot of people being unaware just now nasty the system can be because it always happens to someone else (someone who’s obviously undeserving).

I can’t help feeling that to our lords and masters Hamish’s demse is just acceptable collateral damange. He’s unfortunately not the only victim — a few years ago I witnessed from afar the struggles an old friend had with the UK’s system because his wife had fallen victim to multiple sclerosis. You’d think that being unable to walk and stuff might qualify you as ‘disabled’ but it took a good two years to work through the system (she died shortly afterwards….). There are some seriously nasty people in government; its not just the front line bureaucrats, the real evil is those who designed a system intended to fail those who needed it.

Marfanoid
Marfanoid
May 4, 2020 11:50 PM
Reply to  RobG

Well said and much love.

Jen
Jen
May 5, 2020 12:21 AM
Reply to  RobG

Dear RobG,

I am sorry to hear of your family’s loss.

I can only add that I wish Hamish’s partner and baby well, and pray that they do not suffer in the immediate aftermath because of his death.

I am sure there are a great many other families in Britain suffering in similar circumstances as Hamish’s family. I hope that Boris Johnson, now that he is the father of a newborn child, might think of them when he goes to bed at night. But I am not holding my breath.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 5, 2020 1:02 AM
Reply to  RobG

Very sorry to hear that Rob. My condolences.

Re: difficulty of getting money out of the DWP: by contrast, I have a contact in the Czech Republic, a British citizen, who teaches English through a college, but is technically self-employed.

In normal times, she teaches a mixture of children in schools, adults in small groups, or adults one-to-one. Obviously the school and group lessons are no more, but she’s still doing some adult one-to-ones via Skype. Obviously her income has gone right down.

She applied to the Czech government to a scheme to help the self-employed during the crisis: She applied online on a Monday evening, and the money was in her account on Thursday. I wonder if a self-employed Czech citizen working in the UK would have been so successful?

In addition, the Czech attitude to the lock-down seems much more civilised and relaxed than here.

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus
May 5, 2020 2:05 AM
Reply to  RobG

The evil feckers behind all this have no idea what’s going to hit them.

indeed, it brings to mind thoughts about lamp-posts, and a comment from Lenin about the business practices of rope-merchants.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 4, 2020 6:58 PM

Reports out of Spain that many children have not been outside for two months. Cannot find anything about it through search engines – or in the Spanish press – though on April 18th the NYT did print: In Spain, a Call to ‘Free Our Children’, The strictest lockdown measures in Europe have left countless children bored, exhausted and sometimes depressed.
Covered in SGT report:
https://youtu.be/I51CYFBEItQ

Marfanoid
Marfanoid
May 4, 2020 11:54 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Its true.I live in the mountains of Malaga where there are no children about.Due to fear and love.

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus
May 5, 2020 2:11 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Oliver
Oliver
May 6, 2020 2:32 AM
Reply to  snuffleupagus

Ian Fleming wrote the book. His friend, fellow (former?) intelligence officer Roald Dahl, did the screenplay for the film.

Reg
Reg
May 4, 2020 6:52 PM

Rappoport eviscerates that rat Neil Ferguson and his flights of fancy, otherwise known as “modelling”

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/05/04/professor-neil-ferguson-and-the-idiot-presidents/

Maxwell
Maxwell
May 4, 2020 6:36 PM

California Doctors Purged by YouTube Return for a Follow Up Interview (VIDEO)

“The Bakersfield doctors” hit 6 million views in 5 days before they were taken off by YouTube without explanation.

Can some folks download and make copies of this?

Kitty
Kitty
May 4, 2020 6:05 PM

A report suggests that 66% of UK citizens don’t want the lockdown lifted. Now I don’t think people are that stupid and if your one of the 10 million people who have been furloughed who can blame them. 12 weeks on 80% pay for doing well nothing. Most people I know in this position are loving it. You can see family and friends (social distancing of course), and enjoy your “sunshine holiday” courtesy of the UK tax payer. Whether people will still have a job at the end is another matter. Until then it’s game on. I think Bojo will have quite a job convincing people it’s timer to get back to work.

John Smith
John Smith
May 4, 2020 9:04 PM
Reply to  Kitty

Respectfully,

You’re talking rubbish imo.

Most I know in that position are shitting bricks they may find themselves unemployed in the very near future.

The free holiday feeling aspect of all this ended around 3 weeks ago.

And now, reality is setting in and much unease in many communities.

Shaking My Head
Shaking My Head
May 4, 2020 5:59 PM

Off topic but sharing because Youtube has been limiting the spread of such critical videos. New interview with Dr. Erikson and Dr. Massihi from Journeyman Pictures (“Perspectives on the Pandemic”): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f0VRtY9oTs

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
May 4, 2020 5:42 PM

According to the latest bulletin the UK lock-down is to be phased down in the near future. However, there is a slight hitch.

From the Graun today. No BTL it would be too embarrassing for the PTB.

‘’The price of a bus, train or tube ticket during peak commuting hours could be raised to prevent crowding and the spread of coronavirus on public transport, according to a leading thinktank.
Setting out a menu of options to end the government lockdown as ministers consider ways to reopen the British economy, the Institute for Fiscal Studies said discouraging public transport use during peak times could limit overcrowding and reduce the risks to public health.’’

Brilliant or what!? Yes, public transport is only to be operationalised when people don’t actually need or want it, like 0500 or 11 O,Clock in the evening. Is this the best that our ‘leading thinktank’ can come up with? Poor old Joe Public is now so terrified of getting within 2 metres of anyone that s/he can’t go to work to put bread on the table. Never mind, Britain can take it. Now where are those Very Lynn records.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 4, 2020 6:01 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee
Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 4, 2020 6:39 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

Wanktank more like.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 4, 2020 10:00 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

What are the proles meant to do-walk to work? Sleep at the workplace?

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
May 4, 2020 11:47 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

In the telegraph today (my emphasis):

Shops should stop taking cash but restaurants and bars – except for takeaways – will stay closed for the foreseeable future.

On the home front, anybody letting domestic cleaners in to work should keep all internal doors open to ensure handles are not touched.

lol

John Ervin
John Ervin
May 5, 2020 12:37 AM
Reply to  Admin2

The cashless society and vaccine sales seem like a plausible rationale for the shutdown, since it’s an effective way to usher in mass acceptance, and that’s just creating more containment of future social activity. Like the internet, control all the platforms, cash, health, info. The trifecta.

It has to be something artificial, “conjured”- since the virus itself is kind of a non-happening…

The California Governor spoke last week, easy to find on YouTube, and he spoke of his concerns over the virus in our county, Orange. A misstep, and you could tell he knew it, since the fatalities total are a bunch of goose eggs to the right of the decimal point. The population is 8 digits, and the supposed deaths “from” are still mid-double digits.

Absurd.

crank
crank
May 4, 2020 5:31 PM

anonymous sources in Czech intelligence

Could that not be Jeremy Corbyn’s spymaster ?
Two for one down at MI6 ! Don’t miss out on this great deal !
I keep getting adverts for elaborate face masks of one design or another. Just thinking, “How are those facial recognition algorithms going to work if everyone is going to be masked up all the time ?”. They’ve not thought this all through.
Other covid conundrums…does anyone have a clue what the story is with Ron Unz ?

Xeum11
Xeum11
May 4, 2020 5:40 PM
Reply to  crank

I read somewhere that facial recognition still works with only 20% of the face being visible.

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus
May 5, 2020 2:29 AM
Reply to  Xeum11
Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 4, 2020 5:51 PM
Reply to  crank

Eat your face from the inside and no one will know who you are anymore.

Thomas
Thomas
May 4, 2020 4:32 PM

“Punish One, Teach A Hundred” (Mao)

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 4, 2020 3:56 PM

Several posters are asking how a newspaper or magazine jettisons it’s reputation for journalism and becomes a propaganda mouthpiece. The following is an account of how it is done.

The Hidden Role of the CIA at Popular Mechanics
https://www.bollyn.com/the-hidden-role-of-the-cia-at-popular-mechanics-2/

March 17, 2005
A brutal purge of the senior staff at Popular Mechanics preceded the publication of last month’s scandalous propaganda piece about 9-11. Pulling the strings is the grand dame of Hearst Magazines and behind the scene is her obscure husband – a veteran propaganda expert and former special assistant to the director of the C.I.A.

“DISINFORMATION AND DECEPTION”

“Ninety-five percent of the work of intelligence agencies around the world is disinformation and deception,” Andreas von Bülow, former parliamentary official responsible for the budget for Germany’s intelligence agencies, told me in December 2001.

It is often said that USA Today is controlled by the CIA, which, like the paper, is based in McLean, Virginia. The little-known fact that (Hearst Magazines president Cathleen P.) Black is married to Thomas E. Harvey, an obscure lawyer who became a White House Fellow in 1977 and served as “special assistant’ to the Director of Central Intelligence (DCI), provides substance to these rumors. Black’s corporate biography does not even mention her husband.

I (also) revealed that Benjamin Chertoff, the 25-year-old “senior researcher” who authored the 9-11 article, is related to Michael Chertoff, the new Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

THE COUP AT POPULAR MECHANICS

In the months leading up to the Chertoff article in PM, a brutal takeover occurred at the magazine. In September 2004, Joe Oldham, the magazine’s former editor-in-chief was replaced by James B. Meigs, who came to PM with a “deputy,” Jerry Beilinson, from National Geographic Adventure. In October, a new creative director replaced PM’s 21-year veteran who was given ninety minutes to clear out of his office.

PM has long been a supporter of the U.S. military. The magazine ran a full page ad in support of the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan in May 2003. Since the purge last September PM readers have noticed that government propaganda has replaced scientific writing. A letter to the editor in the current issue says, “I think you guys are just another tool in the government’s propaganda machine.”

Thom
Thom
May 4, 2020 4:44 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Very interesting. There is also the factor of plain, old money. A newspaper like the Guardian probably can’t stay afloat on the strength of readers and advertisers anymore (and even more so in these times), so is perhaps tempted to take ‘sponsorship’ with some invisible strings attached.
Of course, the problem with that is that they become so out of touch with their readers that they don’t have readers anymore either, and therefore the sponsorship stops.
I noticed this before the election, when it seemed to be obligatory in all political columns to insert at least one derogatory remark about Corbyn in it, even when the main subject was someone else entirely. That was when I gave up on the Guardian and I havent read it since.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 4, 2020 5:10 PM
Reply to  Thom

The Guardian certainly does take sponsorship and I fear this will be the model for all the big newspapers as billionaires replace subscribers. The impact of this on any notion of objective reporting is obvious. Newspapers are likely to be owned outright like The Washington Post by Bezos or to survive on sponsorship from the likes of Soros and Gates as does The Guardian.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 4, 2020 6:50 PM
Reply to  Thom

Private Eye is always going on about how The Grauniad continues to put all of its copy freely online, while losing money hand over fist. The implication seeming to be that The Groaner should “go paywall”.

However, (much as I have reservations about Private Eye), perhaps all this time it’s been trying to tell us that The Groan was getting funding from other sources, explaining how this leaky boat of a newspaper manages to keep afloat.

Mind, the same question could be asked about The Torygraph. At least The Grauniad does sometimes sell out (during normal times) in my local supermarket, whereas the shelves are groaning with great piles of unsold Torygraphs and the end of the day.

John Ervin
John Ervin
May 4, 2020 5:56 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Chertoff, like Robert Mueller at W’s regime FBI and this year’s kangaroo “investigation” into Trumperies, is a 9/11 retread, a walking corpse, aka zombie of our Apocalypse, now playing in a Theatre State near you. He has a long track record of deception, like all the big names from NYC 2001.

It’s not surprising that National Geographic darkened our doorstep here. They did puff pieces that we saw, on 9/11 and also Unabomber, which were clearly missioned to state a set message, a false flag, CYA for the CIA.

It is so obvious. They’re worth watching just to study their methodologies of lying, though usually pretty simple and see-thru.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 4, 2020 10:04 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Sounds like the Guardian’s progress.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
May 4, 2020 3:48 PM

ODDS AND ENDS

MSNBC and Mika Brzezinski didn’t disappoint me, inasmuch, as I knew a warmongering state-run cable news show like “Morning Joe,” and a self-obsessed propagandist like Mika would do what she does best– a hatchet job. And that’s exactly what occurred this morning during Mika’s loathsome attack against Tara Reade. Instead of attacking Reade, Mika should be interviewing her as well as those who corroborate her story. And by the way, why doesn’t MSNBC play the Larry King video clip of Reade’s distressed mother.

On Friday, Mika spent 20 minutes interviewing Biden about whether he sexually assaulted Tara Reade. Biden of course denied it, but what would you expect from a guy in obvious mental decline with difficulty remembering what he ate for breakfast let alone where he placed his fingers 27 years ago.

In any case, just two days after Mika’s Friday interview she spent Monday morning lacing into Tara Reade
with an assortment of vicious attacks. One of Mika’s most laughable claims, was accusing Tara Reid of being a Putin admirer …… So in other words, if you accuse Biden of sexual assault you must be a Russia Agent, or even worse an ex-Bernie supporter.

The warmongers on MSNBC never waste a moment to promote militarism against Russia. They’ve even managed to turn Biden’s lascivious behavior into warmongering propaganda.

And if that’s not enough Lindy Li who leads Joe Biden’s Asian-American outreach team hopes the FBI will investigate Current Affairs‘ Nathan J. Robinson, Rolling Stone‘s Katie Halper, and The Intercept’s Ryan Grim for bringing Tara Reade’s story to the public.

Isn’t that interesting, Democrats are now demanding the security state investigate reporters who feel it’s crucial to bring significant information to voters about a candidate running for president. In fact, the public should be permitted to see Biden’s political records which are sealed shut at the University of Delaware. Biden claims they’re his personal position papers, but before the election voters should see Biden’s position on critical issues, especially foreign policy.

And if that’s not enough Joe Scarborough spent the morning attempting to rehabilitate George W.Bush with a video clip about a nation coming together…..That’s pretty rich considering Bush and his psychopathic cabal lied Americans into a war slaughtering millions in the Middle East and thousands of US soldiers. A war creating permanent instability throughout the entire region. A debacle historians will say is the basis for the decline of the US Empire.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 4, 2020 10:24 PM

Much as I loathe FoxNews, in comparison to CNN and MSNBC they seem almost sane and decent.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
May 5, 2020 1:36 AM

Especially, Tucker Carlson….

George Mc
George Mc
May 4, 2020 2:53 PM

Venturing a bit further than the Graud, this defeats me:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-lockdown-end-pubs-restaurants-transport-bars-a9493971.html

More than 60 per cent of Britons feel uncomfortable about the idea of going out to bars, restaurants, gigs, sporting events or using public transport even if the lockdown is lifted, a survey has revealed.
Many people remain wary about any easing of the curbs on social activities aimed at combatting the spread of the coronavirus, the Ipsos Mori poll showed.

Granted that the moment the MSM started the fear mantra, I just switched off – mentally if I couldn’t do it physically. But then again, I snapped out of the strange hypnotic power of the MSM decades ago. Are people really so chronically suggestible? And all it took was 6 weeks to switch them over from a life long mode of behaviour to …..whatever? It makes you wonder what else is possible.

AnonSkeptic
AnonSkeptic
May 4, 2020 4:10 PM
Reply to  George Mc

It’s always worth scratching beneath the surface if anything on the MSM rings true since they depend heavily only “rings true”, “sounds about right”, “plausible”, “makes sense”.

This particular piece of chicanery is based on the link below. The survey has a sample size of 1066 and was conducted online. I would say 1066 is hardly representative of 70 million.

Moreover the pollbwas taken between tue 24th and 27th, which may have been a particularly scaremongering few days in the press.

I would also say that the specific categories in the survey that show that have the higher feedback of uncomfortability are the ones that involve being surrounded by groups or crowds of strangers. This may have to do more with social anxiety than fear of the virus.

Just wanted to also point point out as something similar I posted about a similar article in Irish press (coincidentally over this weekend also), that is now that consent has been manufactured we are back to (apparently) being governed by consent. Or at least that’s what they would have us believe. I guess we’re “The Science” that they’re follwing now.

https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/majority-britons-uncomfortable-sport-music-bars-coronavirus

AnonSkeptic
AnonSkeptic
May 4, 2020 4:41 PM
Reply to  AnonSkeptic

*24th and 27th April

David A
David A
May 4, 2020 4:30 PM
Reply to  George Mc

“It makes you wonder what else is possible.”

I fear we will find out soon enough.

John Ervin
John Ervin
May 4, 2020 6:37 PM
Reply to  David A

Yes, you do often get the feeling that there are more and bigger boots to drop.

Why otherwise would they have gone to all this trouble in the first place?

Thom
Thom
May 4, 2020 5:11 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Who commissions the opinion polls? The media. They are two cheeks of the same backside trying to reinforce the same messages.
Not only is this kind of thing handy for keeping the lid on dissent at present (“the lockdown has the support of the public so how dare you protest?”) it will also be useful in the future when politicians try to wash their hands of the whole disaster by blaming the public (“you wanted the lockdown, so don’t blame us for the unemployment”).

John Ervin
John Ervin
May 4, 2020 6:19 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Just because they polled public fear doesn’t mean they decoded it. Yeah, 60% of the public is fearful: not of corona, fearful of pollsters named Ipso Morti, or any other such spooks.

If any of them came to my door I’d tell them exactly whatever they wanted to hear, since none of them are to be trusted anymore. How could any of them be deserving of the truth? I certainly wouldn’t be drawn to make a statement of my bravery. Not to them!

Fact is, whatever trust there may have been in polls has rotted. Too many corporations fund them, indirectly or otherwise. Most people know instinctively that they are a transparent attempt to cover one’s $$ cause in popular approval. That is the fly in the poll ointment, a horsefly on steroids.

I’m surprised that a “poll” would be cited about something like this, when those polled know that shipment to Siberia, or rather just renditioning to a black site in Greenland, might be the final follow-up questions.

As weird as things are, wouldn’t you?

John Ervin
John Ervin
May 4, 2020 6:23 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

I say that from Orange County, California, where people are going maskless mostly, at least closer to the coast, and are more bored by the lockdown than fearful. There are a few of those, but they were mostly born germaphobes. We have only had 50 (so-called) covid deaths out of 3.1 million.

On with the show, oligarchs.

John Ervin
John Ervin
May 4, 2020 7:05 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

And now we present you with an excerpt from Warren Mitofsky’s wiki bio, as the inventor of exit polls, and longtime shill for CBS (i.e., see: BS) is the “George Washington” of polling, notice the curious syntax in the sentence “more accurate” (another great example of Wikipedia fudging with hotly contested facts, give a little, take a lot):

Exhibit A:

“In November 2004, Mitofsky was interviewed by PBS NewsHour regarding what went wrong with the accuracy of his exit polls for the 2004 U.S. presidential election. Early poll results were leaked which showed John Kerry leading George W. Bush, conflicting with the final official outcome. Mitofsky said he suspected that the difference arose because “the Kerry voters were more anxious to participate in our exit polls than the Bush voters.” He refused, consistently, to release precinct-level polling data from Ohio to researchers who maintained that the election results were fraudulent, and his own exit polls were a more accurate picture of the vote.”

_____

More anxious? Mitofsky’s had been THE go to guy for exit polling, he invented it. For big time mass media (Prescott Bush, during the throes of his UBC Wall Street connections and transactions with Fritz Thyssen “Hitler’s Banker” became VP and second in command to o Bill Paley at CBS, in it’s radio days.)

He died of “an aortic aneurysm” a couple years after the infamous Ohio vote theft. Kerry himself was in on the fix, I researched that pretty deeply. I contacted an SF Chronicle columnist who confirmed from what she told me were “trusted longtime sources” that while Kerry was telling vote reformers that he had “3000 lawyers on the ground investigating for a possible recount” he was all that while partying all Christmas yuletide long as a guest of thrn-governor Arnold Schwarzenegger at his Sun Valley ski lodge. I read a bio that said, in a mag (Atlantic? Vanity Fair?), that in the two years he and W both were at Yale, he was the biggest cheerleader for their Skull and Bones secret society you could find.

What I’ve learned in the last 10 years about false flags of double agents, it doesn’t surprise me he was a fixture at Vietnam War protests.

People like that are just the elite spy that you want to infiltrate resistance.

And the Swift boating against him was just one more trick to trap voters. A perfect phoney, and the 2004 voting was rigged by both sides and staged from start to finish.

I told cheerleaders for the Dems, “Shouldn’t it bother you that BOTH choices on our voting menu are from Skull and Bones? During the same years?

Oh no, they all said, he’s upstanding and pure in heart, he’s got our backs!

Good luck with that one.

Poll results are tabulated in advance. They’re “Mitofskied” .

As Gore Vidal said on WBAI of our elections, “rigged pretty much from the getgo.”

John Ervin
John Ervin
May 4, 2020 7:16 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Should read, “Just the kind of elite spy you want to infiltrate the resistance”. I don’t know that for hard fact, and I don’t want to accuse without proof.

That said, there is enough evidence amassed, and I dug up a lot of it, to merely INDICT Kerry for collusion to throw and fix a presidential election. But, where’s the crime there, that’s just SIP and business as usual for some while now. Like others I join here who have been joining in the lament, we live in an unprecedentedly sick society.

I came to respect Putin a few months ago when he called out all the leadership of the West as “swine”. It’s hard to be a dues paying member of their club when you call them swine.

At least he said that. And it needs being said.

John Ervin
John Ervin
May 4, 2020 7:20 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

S.O.P. “Standard Operating Procedure”. Erroll Morris made a film about Abu Ghraib by that name.

Harriet
Harriet
May 4, 2020 7:46 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Interesting that you mention Mitovsky, Kerry, and 2004. Mitovsky was never a household name to me. But I do recollect very well the details of the 2004 election. It as early days for the Internet/alternative media. We still thought there was something to electoral politics. We thought we could get the Bush detour and the dodgy 2000 election behind us and get the country back on track. Remember how motivated we were to get rid of Bush? And it looked like Kerry was the guy to take down Bush.

I went to a MoveOn meeting near my hometown and ended up volunteering to go with a small team to Paris, Maine, to get out the vote for Kerry in district 2 of that state (the only state with two electoral districts). We canvassed over a weekend and monitored polling places. Went to a post-election party to watch returns. Kerry was well in the lead.

We were feeling pretty good. Finally turned in our motel at about 1:30 a.m. Woke up at 6:30 the next day and immed. turned on the TV. WTFFFFF? WTF happened? Ohio. It was unbelievable. There was plenty of evidence of vote flipping, of minority districts having nonfunctioning voting machines, etc. And Kerry did the “gentlemanly” thing and conceded to Bush. And people who we thought were part of the progressive left press, such as David Corn (The Nation), who should have been on the “front lines” investigating what had happened in Ohio were instead talking about “conspiracy theories” I kid you not. Of course everyone was bummed out that we were stuck with four more years of Bush. But the atmospherics and how it had happened were even more alarming.

Personally I was pretty disgusted that I had spent four uncomfortable days camped out in godforsaken Paris, Maine (this is NOT the picturesque part of Maine; this is the redneck, car carcasses in your trailer’s front yard part of Maine), going along various gulleys where people lived to get out the vote, and this jerk, Kerry, blows off all of those who worked for him and apparently gave more of a s— about his candidacy than he did himself? What a s—.

That was an era when some things were starting to come out because some people were getting access to new material and ideas over the Internet. And I think it was in one of Doug Valentine’s books (but I might be wrong and if I am don’t blame it on Valentine) that I read about Kerry in Vietnam and what the men serving under him actually thought of him. This is not to side with the Swift boat vilification of Kerry, because I don’t know. But I do know that the jury is still out on the character of Kerry and of his service in VN. Suffice it to say that the bloom was now totally off that rose. (Then I also heard a few rumors about Kerry’s sex life from the cousin of a friend of someone who worked in his campaign office . . . Now whenever I see a photo of Kerry I’m, like, unh . . . )

John Ervin
John Ervin
May 4, 2020 9:49 PM
Reply to  Harriet

Wow, Paris, Maine? I feel your pain.

I was pretty intensively studying all that in 2004, since I’d been invited to guest frequently on wgdr.org and also interview people like Ion Sancho at blackboxvoting.org (he had significant minutes in 2006 emmy-nominated “Hacking Democracy” which features Bev Harris of bbv) and I wanted to make sure I had some real and significant grounding in facts, since there are so many fairy tales now.

I even had several angry email exchanges with Cam Kerry, his brother, who came after me for slamming his bro’ in posts, etc.

It was as long ago as then that I began to glimpse just how deep the charade goes. All the invites I had, be on radio, get stuff published, sing with big names, okay piano at a great venue: ALL of it I found out, often years later, all all, were various ops to control and contain whatever of value I had to offer, my message, to entangle me all up in “their” plan.

Sometimes it seems incredible, but it’s all pimp behaviour now. Everything in public life has been commodified. Even if you never take a cent, from them, they still jockey for total ownership. That desire to own, rather than love, is the proverbial “root of all evil” as the Apostle called such a spirit.

To think you can BE it, if you merely own it.

But as one of my heroes put it, “The more you have the less you are.”

But all the roads had led me to that, since I was in “knee pants”, smelling something even in the youngster’s air that just didn’t pass the sniff test. Never has, in USA.

(It was a real revelation when I moved to Paris (France, not Maine!) when I was still 21, and a huge weight was lifted. France had a lot of these problems, too, but it was easier to breathe there. And surely London and Scotland.)

But those snapshots aside, 2004 was already 3 or 4 times the fiasco that Gore/Bush 2000 was. It was just better covered up. Or nedia-manipulated.

The more I dug, and answered invitations to join groups (remotely) like People Count in Cambridge, Mass., and C_A_S_E Ohio, where John Conyers held his vote inquiry, the worse it got. Within months I was convinced that no group in the country really acts autonomously. Totally infiltrated. It’s all so controlled. Everything.

Kerry hired the firm in Ohio to explore a recount that is the swampiest of all. Taft, Stettinius, and Hollister. Wow, right wing. Big politically connected Republican firm. It looked more like an out and out “vacuum operation” where you go about sweeping up all the loose ends you’re trying to cover up or trash. The amount of chicaneries was endless. I could barely follow any lead without turning up some incredible treachery.

It was all just a dog and pony show.

Since then, I finally started a study I had long put off: trying to identify and understand covert ops and Intelligence initiatives and their programs, et al. etc

Because all that floats on the surface above those depths is simply dead fish, a charade.

When you begin to recognize some of the recurrent patterns of how things are rigged, you soon *know* that almost nothing is as it seems to be.

Even a little study is incredibly rewarding. Just to get general bearings and so on. Of course, if you show a growing interest in them, they will show a growing interest in you. They can track anything and everything. And they do.

But far from being a hopelessl search, it was a real boon to finally understand a few things. Or begin to. Things made a lot more sense. That much was precious.

I have been accosted, mostly with courtesy, by a number of agents since then. Quite a few actually. My Pole Star is to “just say no”. I don’t try to interfere, I just want to make it felt that I don’t wish to participate. If they can recruit you and assimilate you, you become their full property. They can still hold you “hostage”, but that’s on them. It’s a question of intent, since they can make you work for them now, without you really knowing it, though I believe a good spiritual life can work around that.

I’ve received several offers to publish stuff, but it’s clearly from agents, or assets. One guy talked me up on the Pier here a few years ago, “You can write. I have a magazine, I’ll publish you.” He said he was the grandson, or great, of Elihu Root, a very very influential secretary of war, etc. Pivotal. The guy had the same last name, I looked him up online, and his refs.

As my one tried and true test, to know if I’m talking to Intel, I always bring up a few words about the RFK assassination, and he took off like a scalded cat with his girlfriend, the interview was over. He had given me all his contact numbers, never heard from him again.

A very touchy subject for them, and the reasons are deep, dark, and delicate. And it opens always a can of worms for them, in ways many wouldn’t suspect.

That’s HOW the country has been taken down. By all that *coordinated” stealth. Posing as though moving things forward. It’s as solid and tensile strong as The Matrix. Or so they have been able to conjure it…..

But God and good are just as infinite as ever!

As one brother said of the possibilities of life within the churches, “Yeah, but it’s all contaminated.” Good word.

They are all overrun with agents, or tried and trusty tools, at all levels. That’s why they continue always to do so much conspiracy shaming, and tin foil hat insults, they don’t want you to see the continuity and omnipresence of the deception. That deception is deeply embedded here. A conjuror’s trick.

My whole perspective changed once I saw the charade’s extent. Everywhere.

But then, I only established what I had always known: this world has always been a charade, from any real perspective.

Political change at this point stands about as much chance as fish in a barrel.

I look elsewhere for solutions.

______

Sorry to hear about your 2004 experiences. Even though my bubble was burst by then, I was shocked how little good I could find. I got into a shouting match with Ralph Nader’s people, because I accused them in an article, “Nader in Neverland” of completely faking the New Hampshire recount (Kerry had been leading by 12% in exit polls and only won by 1%, a statistical impossibility.)

After a long dog and pony show, NADER gave the NH vote a clean bill of health, which we knew to be an absolute screaming fraud.

I thought, wow, even Nader? But talking a good game is much different than doing anything real. That experience and others like it led me to doubt other such knights in shining armor.

The wonderful James Douglass (“JFK and the Unspeakable”) has said that it’s only in confronting the darkness of our history that we can hope again.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 4, 2020 10:31 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Here in Austfailia the ruling hard Right regime lost EVERY opinion poll for three years. They were bitterly infighting between the soft Right and the Australopithecine Right, and division is held to be electoral poison here. They replaced the moderate PM with a Pentecostal thug months before the election. They lost every opinion poll during the election campaign (six weeks or so). They lost the exit polls 52% to 48%, always a winning result with our compulsory voting and preferential voting. But they won ‘the vote’ and the election 52% to 48%!!?? No voting machines, just paper and pencil. How did they do it?

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
May 4, 2020 11:53 PM

They did it with the postal vote here (UK) 😉

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 5, 2020 4:15 AM
Reply to  Admin2

Ever more blatant.

Maxwell
Maxwell
May 4, 2020 2:25 PM

Some interesting data on the value of shares of Big Pharma before and after “pandemic.” Make of it what you will.

Percentage drop and increase in share price in February-April of the top 10 pharmaceutical companies (value in dollars):

Before:

ROCHE HOLDING 19/2/20 – 351,1 12/3/20 – 247,4 % – 29
JOHSON&JOHNSON 21/2/20 – 149,8 12/3/20 – 110,6 % – 26,3
GILEAD 20/2/20 – 67 12/3/20 – 68 % – 1,4
AMGEN 13/2/20 – 223 12/3/20 – 182 % – 18,3
GLAXO 10/2/20 – 1657 12/3/20 – 1404 % – 15,2
NOVARTIS 12/2/20 – 95 12/3/20 – 83,9 % – 11,6
MERCK 13/2/20 – 122,7 12/3/20 – 89,5 % – 27
SANOFI 18/2/20 – 93,7 12/3/20 – 73,4 % – 21,6
ABBVIE 13/2/20 – 64,5 12/3/20 – 74,2 % + 15
PFIZER 11/2/20 – 38,09 12/3/20 – 30,1 % – 21,2

After:

ROCHE HOLDING 12/3/20 – 274,4 28/4/20 – 352,7 % +28,5
JOHSON&JOHNSON 12/3/20 – 110,6 24/4/20 – 154,86 % +40
GILEAD 12/3/20 – 68 29/4/20 – 83,14 % +22,2
AMGEN 12/3/20 – 182 27/4/20 – 242 % +32,9
GLAXO 12/3/20 – 1404 30/4/20 – 1698 % +20,9
NOVARTIS 12/3/20 – 83,9 27/4/20 – 88,03 % +5,8
MERCK 12/3/20 – 88,5 30/4/20 – 108,55 % +22,6
SANOFI 12/3/20 – 73,4 27/4/20 – 93,4 % +27,2
ABBVIE 12/3/20 – 74,2 29/4/20 – 83,76 % +12,8
PFIZER 12/3/20 – 30,1 29/4/20 – 38,12 % +26,7

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 4, 2020 10:41 PM
Reply to  Maxwell

This is why they HATE hydroxychloroquine etc so very much, and have their medical stooges attack it. A cheap, safe, medication used by hundreds of millions over decades, but off-patent and cheap, so it must be demonised, or even outlawed as one local ‘medical’ thug has demanded. Christ these are Evil vermin.

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
May 4, 2020 2:24 PM

Further thoughts on the banning of Icke’s Youtube presentations.

Now that these have been banned, perhaps his books will be banned (or burned) then they will come for the man himself – to keep Assange company presumably. We’re on a downward slippery slope and it won’t stop, until there is sufficient social and political momentum to stop it. If coronavirus hadn’t existed it would have needed to be invented. Maybe that is exactly what happened; these lunatics are capable of anything.

Icke’s theory about lizard people living among us was and still is regarded as being rather fanciful. But actually it is not too far removed from objective existence. After all what is human and what is inhuman. For example when Madelaine Albright ex-US Secretary of State under Clinton blithely inform us whilst being interviewed on TV that the deaths of some 500,000 Iraqi children due to US sanctions was, in her words’ –

worth it!

one has to wonder if such a person is really human in the generally accepted sense of the word. She has something missing as would a be blind person, or deaf and dumb person. Maybe she has had an empathy by-pass operation befitting a Lizard Queen. It is the same as those lunatics who argue that it is a possible to win a nuclear war with Russia – repeat, win a nuclear war. More Lizard talk. Maybe that’s why the Lizard establishment is so keen to abolish him and all his works.

The point is that the establishment, PTB, call them what you will, are, in their decadent phase completely and utterly insane. Not unlike Orwell’s interlocuter, O’Brien, who is a complete nut-job. And is the prototype of the Lizard Race.

Paul too
Paul too
May 4, 2020 5:12 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

Whether you believe any of his talk about physically different lizard people (I don’t), his book that covers lizard people is mainly about research into bloodlines as far as I recall (The Biggest Secret). It’s extremely well researched, and as far as I could tell from a little hunting around, accurate in the majority of its content based around bloodline / family connections.

Of course it’s far easier to divert people’s attention by making fun of the man and focusing entirely on the lizard people references, whilst pretending the mass of documented evidence showing that there is in effect a ‘club’ based on a shared, and closely protected bloodline doesn’t exist in any form and has never been researched. And avoiding all talk that these same people appear to be the very same ones connected through international business and finance and politics, and have been for quite some time now. Most people won’t even touch that book because they ‘know’ it’s only about crazy ideas about lizard people roaming the earth, showing just how well the coordinated mainstream mockery works in programming the majority public mind.

That’s the only book of Icke’s I’ve fully read and it was many years ago, but I saw the first 2 London Real interviews recently and notice he’s now referring to the exact same group of people as a ‘cult’. I fully agree with David Icke on one thing, whatever you want to call this group of people, and whilst we may never be able to prove it in black and white (as you’re up against a power structure systemically designed over centuries specifically to protect itself), the world is being steered in ways that can only be explained logically by acknowledging events such as the response to this scam ‘pandemic’ (to name just one of many events in the past 20 years) is happening in far too tightly coordinated and wildly illogical a way to be anything but carefully pre-planned and organised by a group that encompasses global power.

Harriet
Harriet
May 4, 2020 8:01 PM
Reply to  Paul too

It doesn’t matter what he says. He has the right to say anything he pleases.
A lot of people assert that 2000 years ago a guy who was crucified was actually the son of some god. Oh, God. Capital G. Uh-huh. Go figure.

If that ridiculous unproven assertion is allowed, then too is just about *any* assertion about any g.d. thing!

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 4, 2020 10:42 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

Comparing that mummified cadaver, Albright to lizards is an insult-to lizards!!!!

George Mc
George Mc
May 4, 2020 2:20 PM

You really feel sorry for Ottessa Moshfegh “struggling with the profound loss of agency the coronavirus pandemic has caused”. Just as long as she doesn’t have to struggle with the profound loss of livelihood.

Carnyx
Carnyx
May 4, 2020 1:53 PM

#DePlatformIcke
Quite simple really DO NOT support the Guardian! block their cookies and kill their ad revenue (I personally recommend the use of a pi-hole) I’m sure their paymasters at GCHQ will prop them up for as long as they’re useful.

There’s seems to be more sense coming out of David Icke than the so called mainstream media. Which tells you something is up!

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man
May 4, 2020 2:26 PM
Reply to  Carnyx

The ‘New Statesman’ is equally contemptible. Have just seen an article riddled with the New McCarthyism: ‘antisemitism in the Labour Party’. All because Dianne Abbot and another Labour MP happened to speak in a meeting where Tony Greenstein and Jacqui Walker apparently also spoke. According to NS, Greenstein was expelled from the LP ‘over antisemitism’ – a falsehood. How on earth did this journal, which in my youth commanded respect from the socialist left (as opposed to the faux left), fall into the hands of these presstitutes?

Shardlake
Shardlake
May 4, 2020 4:09 PM

I see a quick report in the Grauniad says that the Trade Minister, Conor Burns, has resigned today but doesn’t give the full story. It seems the Minister had written a threatening letter on Commons notepaper to somebody in a dispute with his father.

Where is the similar uproar we have seen at likes of Ms Abbot. I’ve never really been a fan of hers since she palled up with Jonathon Aitkin over the sword of truth affair; but let’s have some degree of fairness.

Carnyx
Carnyx
May 4, 2020 4:34 PM
Reply to  Shardlake

Assange, like him loath him… We live in a country that jails and basically hands a man a death sentence for publishing the truth all the while a paedophile prince is sitting happy surrounded by the best lawyers and PR gurus tax payers money can buy. Where’s the outcry? Where’s the justice? Where’s the Police?

It’s not the sound of fracking you can hear.. It’s our Grandfathers, Grandmothers, Fathers and Mothers all spinning in their graves…

The whores are running the country and they ain’t finished with it yet.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 4, 2020 10:50 PM
Reply to  Carnyx

The Jewish Board of Deputies APPROVED whores.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 4, 2020 10:50 PM

The New Statesman has been run by Ziofanatics for years. Their talent for entryism and nepotism, and hatred of those who ‘get in our way’, are infamous. As is the cowardice of those who they seek to destroy, who seem as if mesmerised.

[edited for typo. A2]

Carnyx
Carnyx
May 5, 2020 10:44 AM

Personally I’m down with the whole Zionism/Judaism/Anti-Semitism thing is just another tool of suppression and division wielded by the power’s that be and it works spectacularly well. The Labour leaks have shown this to be the case (oh and doesn’t that leaked report make the Blairites look REALLY bad… Don’t let them memory hole that with all this COVID 19 bollocks)

Kalen
Kalen
May 4, 2020 1:36 PM

Dr Wotarg from Germany deconstructs official claims about COVID testing and therapies .

Abstract of article.

Covid-19 – a case for medical detectives

The numerous and disproportionately frequent deaths of Covid-19 patients with dark skin colour and from southern countries are apparently also the result of a drug-related mistreatment. Affected are people with a specific enzyme deficiency, which occurs mainly in men whose families come from regions where malaria was or still is endemic. They are currently being treated with hydroxychloroquine, a drug which they do not tolerate, now being used all over the world to fight Covid-19. If this practice does not end soon, there is a great risk of widespread deaths, especially in Africa.

Excerpt from Article.

The SARS-CoV-2 PCR test: non-specific, medically useless, but anxiety-producing

Because of the great importance for the Covid-19 occurrence, special attention must be paid to the SARS-CoV-2 PCR test – the only instrument available to measure the virus and to be able to talk about a new spread at all. My assessment on this has not changed since the end of February: Without the PCR test for SARS-CoV-2 viruses designed by German scientists, we would not have noticed a corona “epidemic” or even a “pandemic”.

After the WHO recommended it (“not for medical diagnostic purposes”), the test was used all over the country in the attempt to find fragments of SARS virus. An institution in China, whose name was not mentioned by one of the developers of the PCR test, Prof. Drosten, during an interview on German public radio “Deutschlandfunk”, confirmed to the virologist that the test used by him found the SARS fragment they were looking for in the Wuhan SARS virus.

Questions about supposed miracle malaria drugs used to treat COVID.

I was aware of such a case with the same puzzling symptoms, which had been described in 2014 by Swedish pneumologists in a young patient from Nigeria who had died of the disease. At that time, an enzyme deficiency was suspected and actually found to be a possible cause after death, which occurs in many regions of Africa in 20 – 30% of the population.
It is the so-called glucose-6-dehydrogenase deficiency, or “G6PD deficiency”, one of the most common genetic peculiarities, which can lead to threatening haemolysis (dissolution of red blood cells), mainly in men, when certain drugs or chemicals are taken. The following map shows the distribution of this deficiency (Source and explanations here).

Deadly combination

Therefore the frightening result of my research is that typical severe courses with haemolysis, microthrombi and shortness of breath without typical signs of pneumonia occur more frequently where two factors come together:

Many patients with ancestors from malaria countries with G6PD deficiency
Prophylactic or therapeutic use of high-dose HCQ
This is exactly what is to be expected in Africa, and this is already the case everywhere where migration is causing a large proportion of the population coming from malaria countries.

Cities such as New York, Chicago, New Orleans, London, or even large cities in Holland, Belgium, Spain and France are such centers. If the test is widely used in these migration hotspots and is expected to be positive in about 10 to 20% of the population, many people from the G6PD countries will also be among them. If they are then treated with high-dose HCQ, either prophylactically or as part of a “compassionate” use, as planned, then those severe clinical pictures will also be evoked in young people, as has been presented to us by the sensational press, and which keep our fear of Covid-19 alive.

HCQ treatment for G6PD deficiency is a dangerous malpractice

This could be remedied immediately if all treating physicians worldwide were informed about the contraindication of HCQ. However, the WHO, the CDC, the ECDC, the Chinese SARS specialists, the medical associations, the drug authorities and the German government and its advisors are carelessly neglecting to inform the public. In view of the ongoing programmes, this appears to be gross negligence.

It is a malpractice to treat people with G6PD deficiency with high-dose chloroquine derivatives or other drugs known to be dangerous for them. Under the WHO label “‘Solidarity’ clinical trial for COVID-19 treatments”, healthy people are exposed in a hurry to authorised, life-threatening experiments. Hundreds of clinical trials, mostly worthless observational studies with parallel approaches, very often also run with HCQ as one of the alternatives.

Here is entire must read article.

https://multipolar-magazin.de/artikel/covid-19-a-case-for-medical-detectives

Kalen
Kalen
May 4, 2020 1:37 PM
Reply to  Kalen

Sorry it is Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg.

Thomas
Thomas
May 4, 2020 4:57 PM
Reply to  Kalen

Wodarg is a name I’ve never heard before, and I come from northern Germany.
The only thing that would make sense to me is that it is an ananym of Gradow.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 4, 2020 6:59 PM
Reply to  Kalen

More on Chloroquine and Hydroxychloroquine:

https://infectiousmyth.podbean.com/e/the-infectious-myth-dangers-of-chloroquine-and-hydroxychloroquine-with-remington-nevin/

The Infectious Myth – Dangers of Chloroquine and Hydroxychloroquine with Remington Nevin
Remington Nevin is an MD and expert on the quinoline family of drugs, best known for their use against malaria. He has been interviewed here before, on the subject of mefloquine, which is believed to have caused severe neurologic damage, especially in soldiers who were forced to take it even after experiencing adverse effects. Similar effects are also found with chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine. The latter is often used for rheumatoid arthritis, and doctors there say that it is remarkably free of side effects. They forget, however, that a lot of patients stop taking it quite quickly after starting, probably because they are the sub-group that is vulnerable to side effects. Given that high doses are being used for COVID-19, and on elderly, infirm people, one can expect significant problems with side effects.

You can find out more of the work of Dr Nevin on his Quinism Foundation website: https://quinism.org

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 4, 2020 10:56 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

So these harmful side-effects have never been seen in the tens of millions using them in malarial regions for decades. Or were they ‘covered up’? The anti-HCQ campaign is a real BigPharma priority,

Biffo Le Grek
Biffo Le Grek
May 4, 2020 1:20 PM

The Grauniad: doubleplusgood duckspeak

Carnyx
Carnyx
May 4, 2020 1:56 PM
Reply to  Biffo Le Grek

++ungood
The Guardian speaks with forked tongue

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 4, 2020 1:02 PM

Yeesh! I’ve just escaped from the Gradian – in my defence I was simply looking for headlines of what the latest fascist government intentions are. Wandered into a comments section. What a weird place! Full of “please don’t let me out, 31 people under 85 have died, how dare you suggest we can have our freedom back.”
Thank goodness for OffG and the voices of reason and sanity.

NowhereOH
NowhereOH
May 4, 2020 1:35 PM
Reply to  Cheezilla

Many world health experts and actual doctors now believe this ‘freedom’ (they’re still a little unclear on what that is… is it the little fruity chunks that come in yogurt?) may be one of the chief causes of COVID-19. It should be avoided at all costs. [/sarcasm]

clickkid
clickkid
May 4, 2020 2:14 PM
Reply to  Cheezilla

Apparently. stressed parents struggling with naughty children have been known to threaten to lock their mischievous kids in the Guardian Comments Section if they don’t behave.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 4, 2020 3:41 PM
Reply to  clickkid

That’s a very scary thought Would make me a model child for sure.

Geoff
Geoff
May 4, 2020 4:23 PM
Reply to  clickkid

I got emptied of it six months a go, and the Mirror, and the idiotic patronising Liverpool Echo, the last two I got around by re-registering and using windscribe, but the guardian or Independent won’t wear it !!

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
May 4, 2020 8:07 PM
Reply to  Cheezilla

They are all paid solders commenting now in the guardian, there are no real people there, it is a front.

breweriana
breweriana
May 4, 2020 12:59 PM

I note the expression ‘Lockdown’ was said by an actor in the film ‘Chaos’ released in 2005.

The scene is that of a big city bank, that has been invaded by well-armed gangsters with machine guns. The customers are threatened with death if they do not do as they are told.

The gang force the bank manager to seal all windows and doors, via the computerised security system. The manager does this, then says to the gang’s leader:
“We are now in LOCKDOWN.”

An interesting choice of word by the authorities for the current situation.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 4, 2020 2:04 PM
Reply to  breweriana

Lockdown is what the prison authorities do in order to regain control of the prison.

John Ervin
John Ervin
May 4, 2020 2:08 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Ah, nice connection of our current dots. Those semantics tell the tale.

gordon
gordon
May 4, 2020 12:51 PM

why do 5g masts you know those phased array tel aviv crowd control spec things why do many need cooling fan systems
why do some sound like a microwave cooker

councils all over the uk have been working in lockstep for over a year chopping down trees that blcock the line of site array

slaughter in the care homes
murdering the trees

mentally ill dancing banshees in the hospitals
who during dance break call
up radio shows saying we are full we have been working 16 hours a day we cannot cope

everything cookin nicely in fuck in chicken town

breweriana
breweriana
May 4, 2020 1:44 PM
Reply to  gordon

Frightening 5G technology gets investigated by real scientists. Reports here:

http://www.5gappeal.eu/category/news-articles/

Quote:
“News about 5G
March 30, 2020 By Mona Nilsson

March 2020: Effects of 5G wireless communication on human health. A report from European Parliament Research Service. Link

February 2020: Geneva halts 5G and 4G+ rollout for three years. Link (in French).

January 2020: Slovenia halts adoption of broadband strategy including 5G due to uninvestigated health risks. Link.”

And many more.
Yet another politically driven venture, as with the ‘covid’ hoax.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 4, 2020 4:10 PM
Reply to  breweriana

The microwaves that cell phones emit can interact with human tissue in an entirely new way, says theoretical biologist at a government lab, April 28, 2011 https://www.technologyreview.com/2011/04/28/259412/cell-phones-microwaves-and-the-human-health-threat/

“If there’s one topic likely to generate spit-flecked ire, it is the controversy over the potential health threat posed by cell phone signals. That debate is likely to flare following the publication today of some new ideas on this topic from Bill Bruno, a theoretical biologist at Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico. He argues that the traditional argument only applies when the number of photons is less than one in a volume of space equivalent to a cubic wavelength.

When the density of photons is higher than this, other effects can come into play because photons can interfere constructively. Bruno points to the well known example of optical tweezers in which coherent photons combine to push, pull and rotate small objects such as cells. In this case, the force is generated when dielectric objects sit in an electric field gradient associated with the photons. More photons generate more force.

The damage that optical tweezers can do to structures in cells is well reported, he says. That’s because of the large change in refractive index at the edge of cellular structures such as vesicles, myelin sheaths and so on, and the high density of photons.

Of course, optical tweezers generally work at infrared frequencies. The question that Bruno poses is whether a similar effect could also work for microwave photons.

This boils down to two factors. The first is whether there is a high enough density of microwave photons from cellphones to generate a force capable of damaging biological tissues. The second is whether there are structures in the body with the required dielectric properties to be susceptible.

On both counts, Bruno says there are reasons to be cautious. First, the density of microwave photons from cell phones and cell phone towers is many orders of magnitude higher than 1 per cubic wavelength. For this reason alone, Bruno says the traditional safety arguments do not apply.

Second, the human body contains many structures including neurons up to a meter or so long that could be susceptible to the combined effect of many photons. Some of these structures may actually focus microwave photons, increasing the photon density inside the body.

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 4, 2020 4:55 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Moneycircus

This boils down to two factors. The first is whether there is a high enough density of microwave photons from cellphones to generate a force capable of damaging biological tissues.

As we know, many people have raised the question of 5G safety. I have seen both Dana Ashlie and David Icke talking at length about this and putting forward the same synopsis. Their contention, based on ‘scientific evidence’ is that, irrespective of whether they produce a force sufficient to damage human tissues directly, the photons exert a force that causes cells round oxygen molecules to spin on their axis. The resulting biological effect of this is to make it difficult for haemoglobin in the circulatory system to absorb the unnatural oxygen molecules. In healthy people this is, superficially at least, inconsequential but in people with compromised respiratory systems it could very quickly lead to respiratory and organ failure. Their inference is that this would explain why some ‘Covid19’ patients are presenting with respiratory distress reportedly similar to altitude sickness.

I have tried to find a link for Dana Ashlie’s lengthy presentation on this in which she cites the scientific references but it appears to have been removed from all the outlets I have looked at and a message appears stating that ‘all videos suggesting a link between 5G and Covid19 have been removed’.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 4, 2020 5:39 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

An issue that seems important, at least to the extent of my limited knowledge is electromagnetic fields. We know that electromagnetic fields play an important role in nature with many species such as bats and bees yet this appears to be ignored in humans.

Magnetoreception is present in bacteria, arthropods, molluscs, and members of all major taxonomic groups of vertebrates.[1] Humans are not thought to have a magnetic sense, but there is a protein (a cryptochrome) in the eye which could serve this function.[2]

The issue may finally be receiving some attention: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/06/maverick-scientist-thinks-he-has-discovered-magnetic-sixth-sense-humans

“Birds do it. Bees do it. But the human subject, standing here in a hoodie—can he do it? Joe Kirschvink is determined to find out. For decades, he has shown how critters across the animal kingdom navigate using magnetoreception, or a sense of Earth’s magnetic field. Now, the geophysicist at the California Institute of Technology (Caltech) in Pasadena is testing humans to see if they too have this subconscious sixth sense. Kirschvink is pretty sure they do. But he has to prove it.”

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 4, 2020 5:57 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

The 5G topic fits right into transhumanism research. I suspect the 5G topic is being censored not only due to possible health impact on a range of animals but also due to its potential to manipulate humans.
From Biophysical Journal, Feb 2000: “The hypothesis that migrating birds utilize the geomagnetic field for orientation had been proposed as early as 1859 (von Middendorff, 1859)… Among the theoretical models for magnetoreception mechanisms that have been proposed, the use of magnetite particles as magnetoreceptors and photoreceptor-based mechanisms involving direct magnetic effects on the visual transduction process have received the most attention…
“In contrast, magnetite is not expected to be influenced by radio frequency fields, but only by higher energy (1–10 GHz) microwave fields (Kirschvink, 1996). One problem in designing behavioral experiments is that the lack of a magnetic response due to, e.g., radio frequency AC fields, can mean that the magnetoreceptor mechanism is disrupted, but it can also mean that other nervous systems are disrupted while the magnetoreception mechanism is not affected, resulting in the same lack of behavioral response. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000634950076629X

See also: Magnetite biomineralization in the human brain. Magnetotactic bacteria create magnetite nanoparticles.

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
May 4, 2020 12:47 PM

what a rag that guardian is.

Elijah
Elijah
May 4, 2020 12:38 PM

Would you like a joke?

“In these extraordinary times, the Guardian’s editorial independence has never been more important.”

Wait, what! Why are you laughing? That’s not the punchline!

“Because no one sets our agenda, or edits our editor, we can keep delivering quality, trustworthy, fact-checked journalism each and every day. Free from commercial or political bias, we can report fearlessly on world events and challenge those in power.”

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
May 4, 2020 12:48 PM
Reply to  Elijah

:)))))))))))))))))))))))))

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 4, 2020 1:01 PM
Reply to  Elijah

I suspect Titania McGrath is secretly the editor of the Guardian.

Carnyx
Carnyx
May 4, 2020 2:00 PM
Reply to  Elijah

different frank
different frank
May 4, 2020 2:38 PM
Reply to  Elijah

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 4, 2020 3:28 PM
Reply to  Elijah

And I thought the Tory frontbenchers could deliver barefaced lies with aplomb.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 4, 2020 7:05 PM
Reply to  Elijah

“In these extraordinary times, the Guardian’s editorial independence has never been more important.”

Wait, what! Why are you laughing? That’s not the punchline!

“Because no one sets our agenda, or edits our editor, we can keep delivering quality, trustworthy, fact-checked journalism each and every day. Free from commercial or political bias, we can report fearlessly on world events and challenge those in power.”

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jay
jay
May 4, 2020 12:34 PM

David Icke does carry some truth. I know where His sources are from and He puts His own spin on them. He can be a gateway to proper knowledge.
The reptillian ‘thing’ started out when people were watching videos and the mpeg compression went ary and some weird artifacts of the images occured.
Even before Zecharia Sitchin, The Book of Enoch is one of the first known souces of information on Alien incursion and hybridisation. Although, the ‘Aliens’ are actually not ‘space aliens’ as such…The Old Testament is full of such incursions, starting with Geneses. Don’t look to your church to teach such knowledge, they don’t.
In subverting and hiding the incursion story, God’s motivations for much of what happens in the Old Testment are removed and all we are left with is a big question mark. Why do we have an apparant murderous God of the OT and a gentle loving one in the NT. It is the same God…

This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God.

Genesis 6:9 KJV
Note this phrase is in the NIV Bible

9 This is the account of Noah and his family. Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked faithfully with God. 10 Noah had three sons: Shem, Ham and Japheth.

Here is a list of more adult sources of truth…Not in any order of importance, nor is it exclusive…

Jordan Maxwell (His Earlier Material)
Rob Skiba
William Cooper (Mystery Babylon Series)
Chuck Missler
Walter Veith
The Bible

It is getting harder to find such sources if you do not know the proper key words and names for searching. These sources are the best that I have found, but no one knows everything and the best of us get can it wrong. But the wider you read, eventually you will know what is BS and what is gold.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 4, 2020 3:34 PM
Reply to  jay

If Icke is talking a load of bollox, why do the powers-that-be go to so much trouble to silence him? I think he spoiled his case with the lizards but much of what he says is bang on the mark. He points out that if you want the public do so something they would strongly resist, then create a scary scenario and the public will beg for your “solution” themselves. Playing out right in front of us at the moment!

jay
jay
May 4, 2020 3:59 PM
Reply to  Cheezilla

Image the scenario: You are describing 9/11 to someone then you throw in: Did you know that kween Lizzie climbs walls like a gheko and catches flies with her tongue…Dilutes the message somewhat.

Magnus
Magnus
May 4, 2020 5:05 PM
Reply to  Cheezilla

Shutting down his youtube channel or even closing down his website is not “so much trouble”. It’s basically just a few clicks on a software managing panel somewhere. Welcome to the world technocratic order.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 6, 2020 1:02 PM
Reply to  Magnus

I was referring to a tour in the 1990s, that was mostly cancelled because people who were desperate to silence him pressurised the hosting theatre groups. We were fortunate to see him in a small independent theatre.

Russell Netto
Russell Netto
May 4, 2020 12:31 PM

Most of the people who comment on these pages seem to be as spectacularly stupid as your contributors, so I will leave it there and sign off. I have rather better things to do with my time than read this sort of nonsense.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 4, 2020 12:41 PM
Reply to  Russell Netto

Never noticed you before. Adios.

jay
jay
May 4, 2020 12:47 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

He is not even worth a “down vote”.

breweriana
breweriana
May 4, 2020 12:47 PM
Reply to  Russell Netto

Mind the door doesn’t whack you on the a**e on your way out.

Philippe
Philippe
May 4, 2020 1:16 PM
Reply to  Russell Netto

Yet still time to comment 😏

DAVID
DAVID
May 4, 2020 1:44 PM
Reply to  Russell Netto

Remember Thursday at 8 PM, you don’t want to lose out on your Gruel

George Mc
George Mc
May 4, 2020 2:07 PM
Reply to  Russell Netto

I have rather better things to do with my time than read this sort of nonsense.

But you obviously don’t have anything better to do than comment on it.

paul
paul
May 4, 2020 6:44 PM
Reply to  Russell Netto

Thank you for gracing us with your presence.
We’re all suitably grateful.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 4, 2020 7:07 PM
Reply to  Russell Netto

I have rather better things to do with my time than read this sort of nonsense.

But you apparently have plenty of time to write that nonsense.

Tutisicecream
Tutisicecream
May 4, 2020 12:12 PM

Since the “Postcards from the Edge” editorial policy of the Graun really took off – like a bat out of Wuhan, I find their Travel page rather entertaining from a totally existential perspective. I don’t think they quite grasp the gross ineptitude of their so called journalism. They seem to believe that the panicdemic has somehow materialised out of thin air. Now they’re peddling the the slogan “make us part of your new normal” FFS! Clearly being part of the disease has never occurred to the patronising bullshitters who seem to think people don’t see through their pay check prose…

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 4, 2020 12:36 PM
Reply to  Tutisicecream

“pay check prose” – excellent! 🙂

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
May 4, 2020 3:00 PM
Reply to  Tutisicecream

as ever. be more sustainable, take a weekend break!

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
May 4, 2020 12:04 PM

Excellent article. I’m so happy to see an article that is not pointing at some ‘globalist conspiracy’. I hope this site has grown out of presenting that very inadequate description of what is really happening in world of geopolitics today.
All roads lead to Rome, and if we ignore that fact we are missing out on some really interesting geopolitical changes going on in the world today.

jay
jay
May 4, 2020 12:52 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

See, that feathered creature swimming in the pond, with the big yellow beak and orange feet, occaisionionally it makes quacking noises…
For the life of me, I can’t figure out what it is, I mean it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, but mercy me, it is not a duck…
I know, it’s a yellow submarine…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2uTFF_3MaA

I did actually see a yellow submarine travelling down my Main Street. It was sureal…
It was on the back of a low-loader travelling back to Babcocks after rescuing the Ruskies.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
May 4, 2020 2:40 PM
Reply to  jay

I understand why most of the population, who don’t understand geopolitics, believing in your ‘Jewish global conspiracy’ nonsense, they know no better, but when relatively well educated people push it, then I need to call them out as shills.

jay
jay
May 4, 2020 4:05 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

Well, that’s a lot right there in that one sentence…”assumed appeal to authority, followed by a strawman, followed by another appeal to authority”.
We all know that is tools right out of the shills tool box, we are all a wee bit long in the tooth.
Call your superviser and get someone on a higher paygrade because you are rubbish.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
May 4, 2020 5:09 PM
Reply to  jay

You should know the history of your own aimless and unproven conspiracy theories, like hitlers own fantasies.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 4, 2020 6:15 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

The Vatican cabal you mean?

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
May 4, 2020 7:21 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

N0, the ‘International Jewish conspiracy’ which became the ‘globalist conspiracy’ which seems so popular on this site.

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
May 4, 2020 11:46 AM

FROM ‘THE SUN’ 03 MAY 2020

ICKE’S IDEAS

Why has David Icke been banned from YouTube?

Adam Storer
• Les Steed
• 3 May 2020, 12:43
• Updated: 3 May 2020, 12:43

‘’DAVID ICKE is a conspiracy theorist who likes to explore ideas that you would expect to see in a sci-fi flick.

But now these otherwise-entertaining ideas are causing real damage as people take them seriously and they start cropping up in worrying protests that exacerbate the coronavirus crisis and will lead to more deaths’’

Yes, the population must be sheltered from these dangerous ideas. Ban them!

So much for freedom, democracy and free-speech. First they came for Assange, next they come for Icke … who’s next I wonder.

But at least most of the BTL contributions supported Icke.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
May 4, 2020 11:57 AM
Reply to  Francis Lee

It is funny we have the population supporting the agents of the deep state, and their freedom to mislead the mob. Icke is shitting in the punch bowl of the truth.

jay
jay
May 4, 2020 1:22 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

So, let’s consider the irony of your position. We are virtually ALL here to discuss the Globalist lockstep actions largely inspired by various shadowy global organisations including the international banksters.
You are the person who thought the party was for fancy dress and came to the party dressed as a clucking ‘chicken’…

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
May 4, 2020 2:35 PM
Reply to  jay

Why do you waste you time on silly fantasies, why not talk about the real geopolitics? it is very easily understood and is real.

jay
jay
May 4, 2020 4:44 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

“Geopolitics” is as “real” as pro wrestling.

George Mc
George Mc
May 4, 2020 12:08 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

“worrying protests”? That says it all!

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 4, 2020 12:39 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

Ban Sci-Fi why not? Ban the subversive plots of Ursula Le Guin, surely they could disturb the settled order. China Miéville is teaching our students. Cancel him immediately. Any literature that is not parked a safe distance away, say 40-50 years, could resonate with the young people. Banish and burn!

breweriana
breweriana
May 4, 2020 12:50 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

‘Fahrenheit 451.’ Ray Bradbury.

NowhereOH
NowhereOH
May 4, 2020 1:47 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Yup. Sci-fi is inherently ‘dangerous’ because it allows us to project social issues far enough into the future that many knee-jerk emotional reactions take time to set it (though nowadays, given how easily ‘triggered’ some are, that’s not exactly true). It also gives the author a certain level of plausible deniability when criticizing the current establishment.
Octavia E. Butler, C.L. Moore, Ayn Rand (however you feel about her), Anthony Burgess,
Ralph Ellison (not sci-fi, but still)… basically, if it’s ever been on a banned books list, it should actually be on a required reading list. Ooh, and Leigh Brackett’s ‘The Long Tomorrow’ is looking a bit more prescient despite its atomic themes, given the prohibition on gatherings of people. Also interesting to consider how traditionally closed societies will be treated by the all-consuming technocracy.
Deplatforming is the new book burning.

[typo corrected. A2]

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 4, 2020 4:30 PM
Reply to  NowhereOH

I wonder if the MSM/ Lit Review tendency to dismiss sci-fi as “genre” is connected with this. Those gatekeepers in turn being controlled by the intelligence agencies.

As you say, sci-fi pushes dangerous themes into the future or onto another planet, yet it is the field of writing most likely to tackle alternative social structures and topics like anarchism or resistance movements.

Meanwhile U.S. academics wring their hands over the failure of American writers to produce “the great political novel” as if Upton Sinclair, Jack London and John Dos Passos never existed – as if they would not immediately dismiss such a work as “genre fiction”.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 4, 2020 10:59 PM
Reply to  NowhereOH

Deplatforming is cowardice. You confront Evil, not run away from it.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 4, 2020 12:43 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

Whatever happened to the idea of “I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It”?

Well, like a lot of famous phrases, it may not have come from whom we thought it came from, but nevertheless, it remains a robust and pithy expression of the kind of thing that I used to think newspapers like The Grauniad stood for.

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/06/01/defend-say/

DomesticExtremi
DomesticExtremi
May 4, 2020 5:42 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

Hmmm, so those 5G tower fires turned out to be very helpful coincidences.
Here was I thinking it had been done by Murican spooks to get at Huwawei, but more likely it was our own to help push ahead with the censorship of the interwebs and the purging of alternative views.
They always go after the most outrageous first, natch, those being much easier to pass off to the public as the necessary gagging of dangerous loons…

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 4, 2020 7:19 PM

The Reichstag fire was another of those very helpful coincidences.

Willem
Willem
May 4, 2020 11:44 AM

So we have an infectiologist here who is regularly in the news about Covid19 telling about the dangers. He took a week vacation last week, because that is what you do when you are in the middle of a pandemic.

We also have statistician here who is expert in ‘risk modeling’ and defines who should get treatment or not, who should be discharged or not, etc. She is self-isolating now for almost 2 months, because that is what you do for a disease that we haven’t seen in my hospital for more than 2 weeks.

And we have an expert here, an all round character who is close to being omnipotent (or so he thinks), who keeps telling in the media that we really need to continue the lockdown although all the data in the world tell that Spring has ended Covid19.

I guess it is normal routine for experts to talk out of their necks instead of out of their brains. And the only reason why this is becoming so crystal clear to me now (and not in the past where I had some esteem for experts) is because where they used talk out of their neck in an argument that might be rational from the groupthink point of view, the groupthink with Covid19 is totally ridiculous, which is the reason why they are acting ridiculous.

AnonSkeptic
AnonSkeptic
May 4, 2020 12:06 PM
Reply to  Willem

They’re cashing in ALL the credibility chips for this one. Celebs, “experts”, our healthcare workers (who otherwise do an under appreciated job other times), surprisingly “our” traditional adversaries (Russia, Iran, Venezuela who are behaving like this is what it’s made out to be), and the myriad of well intentioned marionettes carrying water for a system actively putting them through the meatgrinder.

Herr Ringbone
Herr Ringbone
May 4, 2020 1:05 PM
Reply to  AnonSkeptic

… surprisingly “our” traditional adversaries (Russia, Iran, Venezuela who are behaving like this is what it’s made out to be) …

Incredible. You run face first into a brick wall and don’t even notice.

Hint: why on Earth would Russia et al “behave like this” i.e. cooperate, with their mortal enemies in the West? What would they possibly gain by playing along?

Honestly. People like you give conspiracy theorists a bad name.

John Ervin
John Ervin
May 4, 2020 3:04 PM
Reply to  Herr Ringbone

The facts and stats clearly suggest that there are other reasons than mere common sense, or the obvious. That’s what this site has been tasked by mere common sense in displaying for weeks now, and some of those very countries, like Russia have statistically meaningless, negligible mortality from this.

If you have another reason that’s been kept from the global public, please share it. But not the one that declares this specific Magic Virus is cause to suspend most human social activity, business, and everything else, crash the economy, ruin the business of hundreds of millions of people, render them hungry and/or homeless, as mandatory quarantine. Surely, not that one?

_________

There is precedent. I had countless people “on my case” twenty years ago, “you and your loud mouth”, as I went my rounds telling people that the California “Rolling Blackouts” that torrid summer were a hoax.

Clearly, many who glared me down thought I was a public health threat, “a danger to myself and others”.

The exact opposite was true: I was doing what I knew to be my “civic duty”. There were all kinds of elderly people in California dying of heat exhaustion because they were having their air conditioning go out in heat over 35° Celsius, 100+ degrees Fahrenheit. I almost “stroked out” one day outdoors when it was 110 Fahrenheit. One of my doctors told me my kidney was only a quarter function, and I had never known, had never had those problems before or since.

But I was supposedly the only one, literally, “a voice in the desert” accused by more than a few, of causing “the scare” as I went from here to there warning people that we were being punked, dangerously conned. (We had had power outages before, but this one had patterns that looked planned, choreographed, shutting down hospitals in the midst of surgeries, forcing them into backup power, and other such things.)

Well, it turns out, we had been targeted by one the most pitiful swindlers of all time, Ken Lay of Enron.

He was found guilty on all 21 counts of fraud 6 years later, for bilking Californians of 9 billion dollars of bogus energy charges, extorted by threats of more blackouts. He would have spent the rest of his wicked life in jail, but he supposedly died, conveniently, about a month later before serving his sentence. (It was the son of a neighbor here in Newport Ca. who got a federal jury in Houston, Tx. 2000 miles away, to find him guilty, John C. Hueston.)

But that was a real precedent for this fraud, gone global. The hospitals sent their Ministry of Love officials around to tell everyone, “We’ll all get through this together”. Instead of finding the real problem, the “energy source” of shock and awe fraud.

But the damage had already been done by a total, and quite massive hoax.

None of the accusers came around to give me a prize, or “we should have paid more attention.” That point was missed, completely forgotten.

But if you are wanting for gratitude, you can always get a rescue 🐕 dog.

It was satisfaction enough that there were authorities who began to be suspicious, and more inquisitive, and that they caught up with Kenneth Lay and his crime partner Jeff Skilling. It’s well covered in the documentary, “The Smartest Guys in the Room” a real source for understanding the dynamics of these hoaxes.

But the climate now, sadly, is that most such criminals have more of a green light than ever.

And, hence, all the more cause for us to lay this Magic Virus at their door.

aspnaz
aspnaz
May 4, 2020 11:43 AM

Firstly, by repeating the totally unsubstantiated claims that Putin is planning to assassinate the mayor of Prague. Apparently the motive is the removal of a statue of a Soviet war hero.

Thanks for that, I literally laughed out loud. Best joke I have heard all day.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 4, 2020 11:34 AM

It is interesting that those in favour of the “lockdown” measures will not address the basic policy issue: how many lives (quality life years) will the measures save against how many lives (quality life years) will the measures cost? If the “lockdown” measures were justified surely they would be able to demonstrate it on this most basic metric?

aspnaz
aspnaz
May 4, 2020 11:53 AM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

The lock down policy is that which Johnson and his advisers assess will be the best for the Tory party, and more specifically, his leadership and his friends/wealthy supporters.

Lives don’t matter. If he felt it would benefit himself, Johnson would send kids off to be killed in the tens of thousands in an oil war, fighting for money for the rich and supporting USA imperialism. Lives don’t matter to Johnson, same as they didn’t for Blair or any of the others.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 4, 2020 12:59 PM
Reply to  aspnaz

aspnaz, I suspect your attribution of motive is overly cynical. The government’s response precisely mirrors the computer simulation of a pandemic that Professor Ferguson et al modelled for the government back in 2016: Exercise Cygnus. The legislation that became the Coronavirus Act 2020 was drafted as a direct result of the exercise, as were the shutting down of health care for everything but the virus and the adoption of the slogan “protect the NHS”. However, we are not allowed access to this information as it might jeopardise “national security” and frighten us. https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/exercise-cygnus-uk-government-exercise-justifies-covid-19-lockdown

aspnaz
aspnaz
May 5, 2020 12:08 AM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

The government adopts an experimental policy that replaces the economy with lock down on the basis of an experimental, unproven computer model from a person who’s models have been shown to be overcooked in the past and have been criticized for such by his peers. No trials, no partial introduction, basically no standard procedure that any sane person would use to determine whether the policy worked, given the huge cost in terms of destroyed economy and jobs. Instead we get all or nothing, just replace the economy. Within a week or so the model is massively adjusted for being so wildly inaccurate, adjusted to be a model that could never justify a full lock down but the lock down remains.

If you are not cynical then you need to be.

Angry Slave
Angry Slave
May 4, 2020 8:52 PM
Reply to  aspnaz

Surely if the truth of the situation was made clear to the public it would be the end of all sitting MP’s and their parties. We should be calling for their immediate arrest and investigation of their motives – considering the damage that has been caused.

I don’t think our MPs or political parties are even relevant anymore – mere puppets. Corruption is deep and wide – more so then any of us would like to admit.

Even the wealthy supporters of the Tory party are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things – those pulling the strings are not supporters of the Tory party at all they would be just as happy to pull the strings of the Labour party and risk its destruction if that is what the public wanted.

Carrot not Stick
Carrot not Stick
May 4, 2020 11:21 AM

I’ve probably said it before but I got very disillusioned with the Guardians ‘cut and paste it’ attitude to journalism. Also not allowing readers comment or if it goes against what they want ending it early.

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 4, 2020 11:12 AM

Excellent.

Anyway, enough of Russophobia and fake news.

I have a “world exclusive” and can now reveal the source of the infection to be a lake in Scotland.

Apparently some Scottish nationalists had been breeding tartan bats in the wake of Brexit and exporting them to China.

One of them got loose and took a chunk out of Nessie’s cousin which had been lurking in the lake, getting itsel infected. It was missed and exported along with the uncontaminated bats in a batch destined for Wuhan. The rest you all know.

Follow this link for futher details:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loch_Doon

As private Fraser would say “we’re doomed!”

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 4, 2020 12:50 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Thank you John. That is at least as plausible as any of the official stories.

Borncynic
Borncynic
May 4, 2020 1:20 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

SNP are going full steam on proposal to initiate ‘tracing’ of suspected infectious persons. Full on snitches’ charter being planted in the minds of the hordes on BBC Scotland now.

Harry hopkins
Harry hopkins
May 4, 2020 11:07 AM

Talking to my ‘Guardianised’ neighbour yesterday ( I avoid it as best I can but saddled with a listening ear and a sympathetic nature it’s not easy) across the garden fence I was gob smacked how easily she continues to exhibit her total absorption of everything that rag writes. I’ve mentioned her before—she’s the seventy year old retired teacher who gets all her news and current affairs from the Guardian and the BBC. Six weeks ago she was convinced we were all going to die, although after Neil Ferguson revised his estimates from half a million to 20,000 in the space of one day perhaps she didn’t quite dust off the funeral plan.
Yesterday it was the turn of the Malham Cove visitors to come within her sites. “It’s disgraceful–I’d lock them all up! They even abused a police woman who told them to go home! It makes things far worse when people don’t obey the rules, they put us all in more danger!” When I tentatively suggested that there may be people who object to having their liberties taken away she simply exploded. This person only a few weeks ago was so scathing about Boris Johnson, Matt Hancock and the rest of the motley Tory crew now hangs on their every word.
My neighbour has completely and utterly given up all aspects of individual thought. She has accepted the Covid narrative hook, line and sinker and, most alarming of all, fully accepts and indeed supports the need for Government authoritarianism.
On a positive note—I met a plumber in my local town last week who, not blessed with Guardian readership and ‘intellect’ simply smiled somewhat knowingly when I asked him about this whole sorry business. “Work is a bit thinner on the ground but I’m still keeping busy and people are still giving me cups of tea when I’m in their houses. Some are keeping a distance and letting me get on with it and others are just like normal”. One can only assume that the degree of normality that people are exhibiting at present is inversely proportional to the attention they pay to the BBC and the MSM!

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
May 4, 2020 11:51 AM
Reply to  Harry hopkins

Yes, it has always been my view, a view based upon personal experience, that the man on the street is a good deal more clued in that the semi-educated petit-bourgeois. I think Mark Twain put his finger on it thus. The man in the street is uninformed, the middle-class educated person is misinformed. If I was given a choice of opinions it would be those of the man in the street.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 4, 2020 12:52 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

Which remains a good argument for the traditional jury system.

Borncynic
Borncynic
May 4, 2020 1:24 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

To paraphrase Jimmy Reid:- the working classes might not be able to properly rationalise it not articulate it; but they feel it. The middle classes surrender their sense of touch once the pull up the ladder behind them.

John A
John A
May 4, 2020 11:06 AM

The huge elephant in the room for the Guardian is how its contribution to the demonisation of Corbyn has resulted in such an utterly incompetent government, that has been destroying the NHS for years, paving the way for the gig economy and incapable of properly preparing for a pandemic that has long been forecast.

Carrot not Stick
Carrot not Stick
May 4, 2020 11:28 AM
Reply to  John A

Yes! Also( alleged) anti semitism has gone away and we are now on LGBT rights (and wrongs) These are of course the top concern of working people concerned with,jobs, secure housing.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
May 4, 2020 8:02 PM
Reply to  John A

”destroying the NHS”

That is unkind, they are redirecting it’s resources, into Corporate tax cuts.

John A
John A
May 5, 2020 7:19 AM
Reply to  jack(jim)

Well they are certainly redirecting resources into the pockets of spivs like Branson, but as he doesn’t pay any tax at all, he doesnt care about tax cuts, so you’re only half right.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 6, 2020 11:40 AM
Reply to  jack(jim)

They are improving it. Privatising the lucrative bits, and letting the rest wither on the vine. You know it makes sense.

jay
jay
May 4, 2020 10:36 AM

David Icke does carry some truth. I know where is sources are from and He puts His own spin on them. But, He can be a gateway to proper knowledge.
The reptillian ‘thing’ started out when people were watching videos and the mpeg compression went wrong and some weird corruption of the images occured.
Even before Zecharia Sitchin, The Book of Enoch is one of the first known souces of information on Alien incursion and hybridisation. Although, the ‘Aliens’ are actually not ‘space aliens’ as such…The Old Testament is full of such incursions, starting with Geneses. Don’t look to your church to teach such knowledge, they don’t.
In subverting and hiding the incursion story, God’s motivations for much of happens in the Old Testment are removed and all we are left with is a big question mark. Why do we have an apparant murderous God of the OT and a gentle loving one in the NT. It is the same God…

This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
May 4, 2020 10:49 AM
Reply to  jay

Both Alex Jones and Icke are a ”gateway to proper knowledge”. knowledge about our corrupt society, but they use the credibility gained by releasing insider information, to lead the mob astray, by NOT pointing at the seat of real power in the west, the USA.

For them anything, even lizards are preferable to blaming the most obvious culprit for all these operations and crimes.

Their aim is too keep the people from realising that far from being a mysterious all powerful lizard, or some international Jewish conspiracy, creating their poverty, it is their own politicians, generals and CEO’s who they can change, if they got their act together.

jay
jay
May 4, 2020 1:03 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

The assumption that the limited hangout must make is how much info to realise as bait…
So, there is always something to be gleaned.
You do not mind if I take Scripture as my source rather than your own constant protestations.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Your provenance is the weakest one of all.

Herr Ringbone
Herr Ringbone
May 4, 2020 1:11 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

Thank you. Nice to see some common sense in the comments for once.

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 4, 2020 1:17 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

“Their aim is to keep the people from realising that …it is their own politicians, generals and CEOs who they can change, if they got their act together

Have you actually listened to any of what Icke has said about ‘the pandemic’ situation? I suspect not, or if you did you are intentionally misrepresenting his contentions.

I listened to Icke’s two hour interview on LondonReal about three weeks ago and he made precisely this (as highlighted above) point throughout. Unfortunately Icke has been permanently tarnished in many minds simply as a believer in ‘reptilian beings’ who are trying to take over the world. As a result his sensible and extremely well researched contentions about the hegemonic activities of ‘the elites’ (pharma, bankers, politicians) tend to be automatically discredited by default. He said that the only answer to the conundrum is for more and more people to see what is being done to them and react against it.

In the interview Icke cites exactly the same scientific evidence as appears on here about the disproportionate reaction to Covid19; raises the same questions most of us on here do about the unreliability of the test for diagnostic purposes, the false numbers being reported, and the similarity to seasonal flu; the threat of a compulsory, dangerous vaccine; questions the complete absence of any research on the impact of 5G radio waves directly or indirectly on the human body (even those responsible for developing 5G admit no research has been done, as I have seen them say in a video recording of a US Senate hearing on 5G); and questions the influential role of the Gates Foundation and pharmaceutical corporations in forming government policies.

Yet, for some reason, he is scoffed as a lunatic ‘conspiracy theorist’ even by people who, if they bothered to take the time to listen to what he says, wouldn’t find themselves disagreeing with most of what he says. He bemoans the fact that there are few journalists in the MSM who actually have the credentials to rightfully call themselves journalists, such is their acquiescence to the PTB and their unwillingness to ask the right questions or do their own research.

I suggest that anyone on here who prefers to scoff about Icke instead of listening seriously to what he has to say, is actually doing harm to any attempts to open peoples’ eyes to the reality of what is happening. It is falling in with the narrative that “Icke talks nonsense”, ironically thereby joining ranks with those who would seek to destroy the credibility of the sound scientifically based arguments and politically aware analyses that he disseminates.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
May 4, 2020 7:47 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

I understand why most of the population, who don’t understand geopolitics, believe in your ‘international Jewish conspiracy’ which has become the ‘globalist conspiracy’ nonsense, they know no better, but when you repeat that nonsense surely you must see it is BS.
With respect, it is you who needs to listen harder to what Icke is NOT saying.
I have listened to both Icke and Alex Jones for years and I think I have the measure of their games.
I repeat he is using insider information and real information to gain credibility as he leads his listeners away from the real centres of power. We all know where they are because we are grown ups and we know US hegemony is the only game in town.

PS the US has failed in the it’s attempt to be a 5G producer so it is no surprise to me that it’s CIA operative are demonising the European and Chinese technology.

John Smith
John Smith
May 4, 2020 9:46 PM
Reply to  jay

Jay Dyer…?

Alice Klar
Alice Klar
May 4, 2020 10:15 AM

On May 1st The Guardian (and other mainstream outlets) published an article entitled ‘UK government faces legal challenge to lockdown from businessman’ stating that ‘The government is facing a challenge to the legality of the coronavirus lockdown by a wealthy businessman (Simon Dolan) who fears it will kill more people than it saves’.

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/may/01/uk-government-faces-legal-challenge-coronavirus-lockdown-businessman-simon-dolan

He is also seeking the release of the minutes from this years Sage meetings.

“Failure to do so [release the minutes] will result in an application for disclosure if proceedings have to be issued,” says the “letter before action” that has been sent to Matt Hancock”.

It also states that ‘His lawyer, Michael Gardner, said the government had been given until Thursday to reply to the letter. If it does not come back with a satisfactory answer, he will apply for an urgent court hearing in the same way Miller did when she challenged the prorogation of parliament last year.’

I have not been able to find anything about this in any publication since. Maybe they just hope it will go away.

Jane
Jane
May 4, 2020 10:29 AM
Reply to  Alice Klar

It is mentioned on the “Lockdown Sceptics” site.