Interview Most Foul
Edward Curtin
Imagine this: A so-called presidential historian for a major television network publishes an interview in the most famous newspaper in the world with the most famous singer/songwriter in the world, who has recently written an explosive song accusing the U.S. government of a conspiracy in the assassination of the most famous modern American president, and the interviewer never asks the singer about the specific allegations in his song except to ask him if he was surprised that the song reached number one on the Billboard hit list and other musical and cultural references that have nothing to do with the assassination.
Imagine no more.
For that is exactly what Douglas Brinkley, CNN’s presidential historian, has just done with his June 12, 2020 interview with Bob Dylan in The New York Times.
The interview makes emphatically clear that Brinkley is not in the least interested in what Dylan has to say about the assassination of the President of the United States, John F. Kennedy, whose murder most foul marks in the most profound way possible the devolution of the U.S. into the cesspool it has become. Brinkley has another agenda.
He introduces the interview by sketching in his relationship with Dylan and tells us that he therefore felt “comfortable” reaching out to him in April after Dylan had released his song about the JFK assassination, “Murder Most Foul.”
He conveniently links to a New York Times piece by John Pareles wherein Pareles writes about the surprise song release:
The assassination of John F. Kennedy is its core and central trauma — “the soul of a nation been torn away/and it’s beginnin’ to go into a slow decay” — while Dylan tries to find answers, or at least clues, in music.”
That is simply false – for Dylan emphatically does not try to find answers or clues to JFK’s murder, but boldly states his answer. If you listen to his piercing voice and follow the lyrics closely, you might be startled to be told, not from someone who can be dismissed as some sort of disgruntled “conspiracy nut,” but by the most famous musician in the world, that there was a government conspiracy to kill JFK, that Oswald didn’t do it, and that the killers then went for the president’s brothers.
But neither Pareles or the presidential historian interviewer Brinkley has any interest in Dylan’s answer. As I wrote five days after the song’s release, it was already clear that the corporate mainstream media were in the process of diverting readers from the core of Dylan’s message:
While the song’s release has garnered massive publicity from the mainstream media, it hasn’t taken long for that media to bury the truth of his words about the assassination under a spectacle of verbiage meant to damn with faint praise. As the media in a celebrity culture of the spectacle tend to do, the emphasis on the song’s pop cultural references is their focus, with platitudes about the assassination and “conspiracy theories,” as well as various shameful and gratuitous digs at Dylan for being weird, obsessed, or old. As the song says, “they killed him once and they killed him twice,” so now they can kill him a third time, and then a fourth ad infinitum. And now the messenger of the very bad news must be dispatched along with the dead president.
Brinkley continues this coverup under the guise of promoting Dylan’s upcoming album, Rough and Rowdy Ways, while showing his appreciation for Dylan’s music and his genius and asking questions that emphasize cultural and musical allusions in the new album, and making certain to not allow Dylan’s explosive message any breathing room.
Here is Brinkley’s opening question, the only semi-direct one the presidential historian deems worthy of asking about “Murder Most Foul” and the assassination of an American president. This question opens the interview and shuts the door on further inquiry. It is a ridiculous question as well:
Was “Murder Most Foul” written as a nostalgic eulogy for a long-lost time?
To which Dylan responds:
To me it’s not nostalgic. I don’t think of “Murder Most Foul” as a glorification of the past or some kind of send-off to a lost age. It speaks to me in the moment. It always did, especially when I was writing the lyrics out.
Could Brinkley really think he was asking a serious question? Nostalgia? What, for a brutal assassination, as Dylan describes it:
Being led to the slaughter like a sacrificial lamb
[…]
Shot down like a dog in broad daylight
[…]
The day that they blew out the brains of the king
Thousands were watching, no one saw a thing
No, the presidential historian knew the question wasn’t serious.
Did he think Dylan was nostalgic for the bloody murder of a man he calls the king, as he sings the part of Hamlet sending his midnight message of truth and revenge to JFK’s ghost? Of course not.
Brinkley was doing what all the mainstream corporate media do: Making sure the truth was hidden behind a stream of pop cultural references and questions that would appeal to The New York Times’ aging readers who are nostalgic for their youth as they contemplate old age and death.
When Dylan answers one of his questions about his recent song, “I Contain Multitudes,” by saying “it is trance writing,” he uses a word that applies to this New York Times’ interview. It is a trance-inducing interview meant to do what the Times has been doing for nearly six decades: obfuscating the truth about the murder of President Kennedy by the national security state led by the CIA. The same CIA that has always found a most receptive mouthpiece in the Times.
This interview, that begins with a witless question about nostalgia, ends with the question all the aging baby boomer Times’ readers were waiting to hear Brinkley ask Dylan:
How is your health holding up? You seem to be fit as a fiddle. How do you keep mind and body working together in unison?
From nostalgia to health more or less sums up this interview.
Murder be damned – even when Dylan’s song that initiated this interview, “Murder Most Foul,” truly startles and is a redemptive song.
For Dylan holds the mirror up for us. He unlocks the door to the painful and sickening truth of JFK’s assassination. He shoves the listener in, and, as he writes in Chronicles, “your head has to go into a different place. Sometimes it takes a certain somebody to make you realize it.”
Bob is that certain somebody.
“What is the truth and where did it go?” he asks.
Brinkley asks other questions to take your head to places where you won’t see a thing. It’s quite a magic trick.
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The song is way overdue and certainly not a shocker since a vast majority of Americans now believe that Oswald wasn’t a lone gunman. Seems like those still buying that narrative also believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy. Having been an impressionable adolescent in the awakening times they called the late 1960’s there were some songs about the murders that moved me in different very unique ways. Emerson,Lake and Palmer’s Lucky Man was a sentimental view of JFK’s death as the downfall of Camelot. A very beautiful song to say the least. Then there was David Crosby’s Long Time Gone on CSN’s first album written on the night of RFK’s death which happened to be the night I graduated from high school. It’s a powerful song that became for many of us a call to speak out against the madness while encouraging us to not get ourselves elected… Read more »
My vote stuffed multiple times in the ballot box, for best version:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=ZBiH5fsKJB8
“Do I not destroy my enemies when I make them my friends?” –Lincoln
“and the interviewer never asks the singer about the specific allegations in his song ” Reality is tedious, vulgar and dirty. Art should give people a chance to rise above this mud which is reality from time to time. Art should hover above reality, and so make people hover above it in their minds. When the subject of art contains those things of human affairs which are dirty’, it should do this in a way which narrates enough to contemplate about in itself, but it should not drag people down into reality, in fact, that is the art of art. To discuss ‘specifics’, making some work of art the occasion for it, is about dragging people down into the dirt of reality, and the realm of the tedious. There are enough reality porn media (news media) dragging people down as it is. In short, to try to connect art to… Read more »
Even though the House Select Committee on Assassination concluded over 40 years ago that Kennedy’s death involved a conspiracy of some kind. The paper of “record” or more accurately stuck record keeps promoting the conclusion of the Warren Commission as if it was holy writ. In other words a belief that is unalterable like Genesis for many fundamentalist Christians.
I call it faith based “journalism”.
That’s the point. As they say in court, in establishing the “mens rea” for a conviction, it’s all done in “bad faith”. I’d call it “Bad Faith Journalism”.
That too.
Well, yes, that too, clearly, but my point in adding it is to take pains not to give faith a bad name by saying it’s faith based, but rather to emphasize the character of its bad faith.
Otherwise we could say that the Easter Bunny is faith-based.
But its poorly-informed or weakly-formed faith, or credulity-based. Not faith-based.
Mercenary credulous and disingenuous journalism?
In brief, pimping, so any faith worthy of that word plays no part of it.
The Warren Commission was the creation by dominant elites, at the highest level of the global financial system, and of course, those who benefitted the greatest…the Zionist Israelis trying to complete their clandestine nuclear weapons production plant at Dimona, which JFK so vehemently opposed. JFK foresaw the chaos of Israeli hegemony over the region of Arab nations and he knew that Israeli/Jewish aspirations lay way beyond their borders.
This is the exact premise given by Michael Collins Piper in his book Final Judgement:
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/File:Final_Judgment.pdf
Much the same wet team using different players of course who took down the World Trade Center.
Here’s some trivia for you. The alternate name for Permindex where it was believed the plot to take out Kennedy was hatched was the “World Trade Center”.
Don’t you just love coincidences?
The Dallas and New Orleans perps were just affiliates, the hit was called higher up by exalted Freemasons, in Wall Street, because JFK was laying down solid foundations through RC Church with Pope St. John XXIII as liaison with Kruschev to end the Cold War, and Freemasonry is pledged forever to destroy the Catholic Church, as was blatantly demonstrated in the Cristero War 40 years prior when President Calles of Mexico had priests shot on sight, and any and all Catholics massacred, and was later given an award by the Mexican Lodges of Scottish Rite Freemasons there for “his work against the Catholic Church.”
These people wanted no part of an end to wars and no part of the Catholic Kennedys and those ties to world pea
Pretty clear to me anyway.
Read: “world peace” (obviously, but the interfaces and/or links wreak havoc with my texts in the most treacherous ways, no matter the reasons! lol)
It is possible too, of course, that Dylan chose not to elaborate on what he said in the song.
I’ve never been an obsessive Bob fan but he has always been bubbing under in my music collection.
I do think that Murder Most Foul may well be the pinnacle of his career – an extremely brave but also very moving song, about the battle between good and evil that goes on behind the pop trivia.
I’m mystified why people generally do not pick up on the most salient fact of the many psyops perpetrated upon us when the moment I learnt this fact myself I absorbed it gratefully in an instant, relieved to find an explanation for elements of the psyops I was then aware of that had puzzled me greatly … and surely would puzzle others … and have used as the lens since that fateful day to view all psyops I’ve become aware of since. When you use this salient fact as a lens to analyse any event you suspect to be a psyop it is all so clear in an instant. Why do people simply not recognise the most salient fact? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? It’s so simple. They tell us. It’s all “hidden in plain sight”. They rub it in our faces. In the JFK assassination, examples are:… Read more »
It’s an interesting point about the CIA nature of Lee’s profile. The feds have never copped to that, although Fidel Castro spoke of it in a Cuba-wide broadcast THE NEXT DAY (“Concerning the Facts and Consequences of the Tragic Death….” online) so that it was clear commie intel knew it, and even some here. In the movie “Parkland” his mother Marguerite Oswald keeps annoying people with her Dallas twanging: “My son was a CIA agent”. So a spy is trained not to spill the beans. But then, what if he was set up? And knew how. He might go public, which is what many deduce, but they surely had the means to shut him up before he talked, before he spoke the “patsy” word. Most of the “truth-tellers” don’t properly retrofit their analyses, i.e., their solutions to the riddles might make a lot more sense if “we” had known then… Read more »
LHO could say “Im just a patsy” but really mean it, even ad libbed, if he knew his hours were numbered. If he knew he was set up. There is footage of Jack Ruby the NIGHT BEFORE in the press throng. There is substantial evidence that LHO knew he’d been set up, with few options. That’s how I figured it. I’m not saying your explanation is patently provably wrong, just careful how you use that Occam’s razor, as you go.
Do you agree, John, that when the power elite psyop us an extremely important element for them is “control of the story” – that they would, for example, engineer as much as possible for ad libbing not to have a place to screw up their story and that hiring people to ensure the story is not screwed up with ad libbing and suchlike is is as easy as 1-2-3 and thus it would be strange for them not to hire people to ensure “control of the story”? Why would they choose to “set up” someone who might screw things up with ad libbing that they then need to kill to silence when they can simply hire an agent to recite a scripted line? Also, it seems odd that Oswald would simply blurt out, “I’m just a patsy”. If he’s going to say that wouldn’t it be more sensible for him… Read more »
That’s a plateful you give me there, Petra, I will make the study of these issues a continuing project since I have been with them over years, and I got the hook lodged deep down my gullet, but I won’t be able to do it justice tonight, especially on this sorry smartphone keyboard. They are all very good questions and challenge much of what I know about the storyline. (And this whole study is the Moveable Feast par excellence, which can be started up again when I have more data.) One quick answer: I read a year ago Patrick Nolan’s book, only a few years old, “CIA Rogues: the Killing of the Kennedys” and he has about 2000 endnotes and references, so it’s pretty well documented (it’s also edited by David Talbot, at Skyhorse, who edited our school magazine a half century ago, the rival to the one I started,… Read more »
I TOLD YOU I WAS HOOKED. IT’S REALLY LATE HERE, BUT ONE ELABORATION ON YOUR QUESTION: **2. He was set up without his “agreement” so to speak in which case obviously he would be doubtful about what his future would involve, no? Surely, if it were the second way he would not have simply said, “I’m just a patsy,” but said a few more words to implicate the organising culprits.** Petra, I’ve given some thought about like situations, since 2005, when I was stunned to hear Nancy Pelosi tell a gaggle of reporters in D.C. “Although we are not challenging in any way the results of this Election…” I was shocked: “What’s not to challenge, Nancy? It was a tital charade, we lost because we were punked by crimes?” I was amazed. Were they blackmailing her? Had they kidnapped her favorite pet, with a gun to its head? Why not… Read more »
Psyop principle, John: Do what you want for real, fake the rest. Thus, 9/11: buildings came down – planes faked, death and injury staged. Wanted: JFK killed. Not wanted: Oswald killed … if there’s any seeming evidence that, in fact, Oswald was killed or was wanted killed is it really “evidence” or propaganda? I believed there was evidence that people were targeted in the Twin Towers and the Pentagon – notably from Jeremy Rys’s brilliant propaganda film, 9/11 Conspiracy Solved: Names, Connections, & Details Exposed! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_fp5kaVYhk. I also believed there was molten metal at Ground Zero for a number of years until I realised that that too was propaganda. We KNOW 100% that there were at least two takes of Oswald’s shooting. If he were really killed then either the final take was for real or he was killed by another method. Really? It’s like… Read more »
I can’t respond in entirety right now (and after 56+ years of CIA micro-managed obfuscation, not necessary) but for starters, I’ll say that I really agree with all your principles 100%+ In particular, the refrain: “nothing would surprise me.” (And please add to that the most valuable lens of my personal store: “Nothing is ever what it appears to be.” Or, nothing but the holiest. And accept no substitutes, for that!) That too may seem unnecessary, or “appear to be”, but clearly it is not –given the near universal tendency of almost everyone to not challenge very much at all (at least initially) of this bovine manure that is readily and steadily chucked at us from well-funded sources, it really IS necessary, and salubrious, and “hygienic”, to challenge ALL the “stories” –early and often (i.e., “instantly and incessantly”)– and to stay after people to do so, for “as long as… Read more »
Whatever future other things you wish to say let’s just establish a simple fact, John. There were at least two takes of Oswald’s shooting, OK? In my previous comment I mentioned the psyop principle of only doing what is wanted for real and faking the rest. But then there’s another very important psyop principle that I have also mentioned: They always TELL us. So not only can we determine that there were at least two takes of Oswald’s shooting, the two takes are made very, very clear! The people are positioned differently around Oswald in both the “live” shooting and the photograph. Not only can no still be matched against the photo, no still can be remotely matched. Please examine the photo against the stills and give your opinion. https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/lho-shot-tvphoto-comparison.html Please just answer: do you agree there were at least two takes of Oswald’s shooting which… Read more »
I certainly agree with those two principles, and its paramount to keep them in the forefront. Those stills are etched indelibly on my memory from long ago, and I also was witness to the event live on TV, not a refreshing memory! Although I want to oblige you with a solid answer about the discrepancies, I haven’t studied the “evidence” yet enough. (It’s rash of me if I said I knew this to be pristine stuff!) The reason I haven’t studied it too deep in 50+ years, when I have read so much about this, simply put is that I don’t think all the Oswald data is very important, though it interests me, for sure. Other than the fact he has been ultimately identified as an Intel operative, his part, or lack, in the murder is peripheral. I’m interested in all the OTHER CIA involvement on 11.22.63. If it’s any… Read more »
John, you’re making it so much more complicated that it needs to be. I took the stills from the video (linked to on the webpage) from the CNN YouTube channel – thus I think we can safely say that this is the “genuine” video of the LIVE SHOOTING ON TV although, of course, it’s faked. The video is 58 seconds long and the shooting starts at about 20 seconds in. It is a tiny bit of footage that is easily compared against the famous photo – no doubt that that is the “genuine” famous photo … except obviously faked too. CNN 58 second video As I keep sayin’, over and over and over and over, John, they TELL us so there is no doubt whatsoever that no still matches the photo. No serious study is required. There is no way at all to match photo against any still.… Read more »
To be precise re photo. The photo isn’t faked (as far as I can tell) but the shooting is staged.
Just to add, John. Oswald is very important in my book because if his shooting was staged that is clear evidence that he really was a patsy – he’s like WTC-7. Just as Graeme MacQueen says about the destruction of WTC-7, “There’s no room in the official story for controlled demolition,” there is no room in the official story for the staged shooting of Oswald.
Heinz Kissinger is the Missing Link between the Nazi ying and the yang that shall remain nameless.
Remember that George W. Bush though Heinz would be a safe pair of hands to manage the non-inquiry into the Sept. 11 attacks. Although Heinz never got the job because of the howls of popular outrage, George Bush successfully took a conspiracy theory and made it plain old conspiracy.
Brinkley would like to keep his job.
Dylan can say what he wants to.
Brinkley can’t write what he wants to.
Always go for the simplest reason.
The “You Could Not Make It Up” department has a new entry. The National Institute of Standards and Technology brought you the Magic Buildings Theory to UnExplain how three steel-framed buildings collapsed from fire in quick succession on Sept 11th, 2001 – for the first time ever!
Now, in its own words: “A fascinating explanation of how the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) created digital imagery of the bullet evidence in the assassination of JFK.” https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2019/12/kennedy-assassination-bullets-preserved-digital-form
That’s all well and good but I am not aware of any historical examples of a truly humane or wise king – among the English speaking nations at least… Kings will generally turn against humanity sooner or later, and every US president has been little more than a muppet. The people who own the Federal Reserve are the people who get to put the Emperor POTUS on his throne and I doubt this was any different in JFK’s time. And then there is the messianic fantasy, a hard one to shake off. The aforementioned ghouls in the US were very busy with the psy-ops in the 50s and 60s and they love to set up messiah figures, and then sacrifice them for the spectacle – you have to admit that was some incredible TV. JFK was propped up as a messiah figure and has become the symbol… Read more »
I’d say the problem for JFK and his brother, Bobby, was that they propped themselves up.They didn’t need anyone to pull their strings.They cut their strings and moved according to their rules. Naively, they underestimated the amount of power the CIA had grasped and the amount of powerful contacts the CIA had.If JFK appears, in hindsight, as a messiah figure,It’s more than likely that the Hell that has developed since his slaughter would suggest he could have been one. JFK wanted to reduce the role of the CIA to the gathering of intelligence only, which was what they were supposed to be in the first place and still are supposed to be.The CIA saw the profits that could be made through wars and genocide and maintaining conflict around the world.JFK saw the futility in the sending away overseas of thousands of troops to, in many cases, inevitable death.JFK saw… Read more »
Don’t forget the pirates. Sure, cowboy culture and its oilmen are huge.
But the power structure was founded by sons of the pirates. Among many, $kull & Bones: Russell and Taft, villainous buccaneers of the Opium Wars.
It’s dominant.
This comment is another way of deflecting focus away from the real point of JFK, and so much energy spent by “us” on the assassinations. The deflectors are always pretending this is about JFK when our real focus is niw, and has always been on the assassination and what it did to his followers and the durection of the country, only a small anount of that concerning JFK. This is true of all CIA psyop projects: try to make a main point and the provocateurs will try to redirect it to an unimportant point. JFK if he were alive (and he is, only Elsewhere) I am SURE would be the first to say his historical life, at least, was relatively unimportant, and that all this isn’t about him, but about US . AS he himself said stirringly, “Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can… Read more »
Nobody expects proper questions from NYTimes types. The problem is that Dylan didn’t give hardass answers. If he had really meant what he wrote and sang, he’d be roaring obscenities at Brinkley. Instead, he gave vague druggy non-answers, thus completely negating and surrendering his message. (I didn’t think he had a message in the first place, so I’m not really surprised.)
It’s like Moses laying down the Ten Commandments, then giving an interview where he says “Oh, I was just sort of halfway musing about existence. Your mileage may vary.”
More like Dylan is playing an assist to the Left as the layers of infiltration of all of our public institutions bear fruit in this bitter season. Was he killed by the alphabets or another group who wanted to keep aquiring the weapon for the end of the world. The writer pretends to destroy the historian when in fact he only offers another form of subterfuge to cover the real crime that a messianic cult gunned him down.
Dylan , the historian, and the writer are all cut from same stinking filthy cloth. To hell with Dylan.
When you look into a kaleidoscope, your eye is taken by the colorful patterns. You don’t notice the mirrors. They tilt towards each so that the object is always symmetrical, at least on one side. Looking real but ever changing. Coherent enough that your eyes can follow, it never becomes a mere jumble of images. The brain looks for patterns to make sense of the world. The kaleidoscope provides them. The illusion of order is satisfying. The Guardian will tell you that Candy Crush is all about dopamine and the joyous hint of sweetness. That it rations success leaving you wanting more. What The Gordian skates past, Steve Sharman, a PhD student in psychology, observes: that it provides an illusion of control. The Zapruder film works the same way. After hiding it for decades, TPTB realized it could could become part of the game as people struggled… Read more »
Any jester, elected by the sheeple, that tries to undermine or change the MAIN SYSTEM of the Secular Ruling Families will be killed like a dog.
We persist in playing this moronic game called democracy/voting… Good luck with that!
Some people involved in the visit of JFK to Dallas are largely ignored: The Russians! No, not those Russians. Not the bumbling half-Ukrainian Khrushchev or the teachers and soldiers sweltering down in Cuba. You probably think Texas is run by a bunch of right-wing, Stetson-wearing, gun-toting WASPS. That’s what Hollywood and the media tells you. The powers that run the city of Dallas are not sitting out on a ranch. Even Larry Hagman once admitted the city was very happy to have its reputation massaged by the TV series that bore its name. There is a tight-knit business community that dominates the town through Dallas Citizen’s Council, led by families like Schepps, who began by handling liqor distribution for the Bronfmans and, back in 1963, by PR/advertising mogul Sam Bloom. This group wrested control of JFK’s visit from the DNC by offering to pay the cost. It switched… Read more »
Michael Collins Piper – JFK assassination & 1srael part 8 of 23, part 9 of 23
https://youtu.be/bB4ooaTpUN0 ; https://youtu.be/96ylaq5YCUI
Hollywood is a vital part of the family.
Wow!
Didn’t hear these details before!
“the country’s most distinguished mafia, what the NYT calls the Kosher Nostra.”
That’s rich, literally, for someone like me who was raised around my Dad’s law firm in Beverly Hills, which was mostly Jewish back then. Most of my friends were Jewish, partly since they were who I met, but I also really appreciated much much of their culture, still do.
Unfortunately, many seem to equate that, one to one with the worst of Zionism, but I’ve also lived in several Little Italy’s, and the same profiling thing happens there.
But for the Bugsy and Lansky mob, Kosher Nostra is too apt. Thanks for that, surprised I hadn’t heard it before. Since I know a lot of yiddish.
The JFK assassination research community has been all over this song for months, with good reason. It’s instructive for those who would question the official narrative about Covid-19 to go back to 1963 and see how a US president could have his head blown off in broad daylight and have an official response mobilize so quickly to offer a panacea to the public, a lone nut who only seemed to associate with spies, a left-winger utterly without motive who supposedly gunned down the Democratic president, and an explanation for the linchpin of the assassination be “the magic bullet”– that was a literal analogue for the top-down transmission of information in the discipline of communication studies.
Well said, Roger. If you put it into topical medical terms, a true understanding of the JFK Coup d’Etat inoculates against all propaganda viruses. Let that be the real magic bullet.
What an atrocious article, accusing Dylan of being a (‘good’) singer! I thought facts were sacred here?
Dylan is not a sing-er. That’s just the closest microcephalics can get to a recognisable description of his talents. Closer is “trou-ba-dour”, a term originally applied to the composers and performers of Occitan lyrics that later grew to encompass a far wider geographic, contextual and stylistic range, containing–so to speak–multitudes. Unfortunately “trou-ba-dour” is a syllable too far for the “sing-er” cohort.
St. Francis of Assisi, whose brief life was parallel to that too brief era of the Troubadours and Jongleurs de Dieu, made a bold ballad with his own words, “I am the troubadour of a newer and nobler romance.”
He really was the Dylan of his day, more so, writing the first true poem that has endured in Italian, “Canticle of the Sun.”
He was Dante’s inspiration for Italian meters, evidenced that that poet was laid in his tomb in the Franciscan habit.
Plagiarist plus stringer of obscure lines found in dusty library books
hoping his fans will give deep meanings.
To quote Florence Foster Jenkins, “People may say I couldn’t sing, but no one can ever say I didn’t sing.”
Would you call the screech of a strangled cat singing?
Doesn’t sound like that at all to me Objective but then again you need to be Subjective.
NLP. Or, as Chris Knowles from the Secret Sun blog would have it,
“The Never Ending Ritual”. A wise man, a priest, an expert that expertly wields dogma
and our singular perspective on it, tells us how it is. Lays down the law.
No fire and brimstone, no punishment, just everlasting purgatory now and hereafter.
Being a total cunt is what is called for, in so many ways.
Thanks for your efforts Ed, but, it is a complete waste of time – and your brain cells, to even bother with any mainstream media full stop.
They are there to dilute, divert, obfuscate and censor. They are certainly not there to speak truth to power, if it is likely to genuinely challenge the status quo. On that note, take these three examples: Gary Webb, John Pilger and Seymour Hersh.
Ian Craig Roberts has used a term for these ‘journalists’ for years, which is very apt: Presstitutes.
Gezzah, I hope all is well with you. I thought Seymour Hersh to be quite decent… John Pilger had some good words too, I am not aware of Gary Webb, I will look him up, thank you.
Gary Webb was investigating Iran Contra and the role of the CIA. He was basically blacklisted by the revolting MSM, and was hounded so much he ended up committing suicide. I did a quick search on him earlier, and the very second search result was a vile hitpeice by the Washington Post.
The moral bankruptcy of the media almost knows no bounds.
Are you sure he committed suicide?
I wish John Ervin was still awake, he would probably know the real answer (he has a lot of knowledge and insight into American politics and the CIA).
Next time you see him comment here, ask him about Gary Webb…. but ‘officially’ it was deemed suicide.
He committed suicide in Sacramento with Two shots to the head…
I just did, just upthread, before I read this quiz. Lol
Wikipedia has this, which is coy but st least throws some light (may I note that many coroners go with the “simplest” explanation, as happened with Robin Williams, not too far from Gary Webb, although ROBIN WILLIAMS WAS CREMATED THE NEXT DAY AND ONLY .00001% ANY MEDIA CARRIED that tidbit, at the time anyway. I talked to an actual coroner 2 years later, “Robin Williams: suicide or homicide? It can’t be both.” He waited a long time, then said, “We just don’t know.” Which is fudge, but better than the Marin County Coroner’s office, whom I called.) DEATH: Webb was found dead in his Carmichael home on December 10, 2004, with two gunshot wounds to the head. His death was ruled a suicide by the Sacramento County coroner’s office.[68] After a local paper reported that he had died from multiple gunshots, the coroner’s office received so many calls asking about… Read more »
‘Webb’s ex-wife Susan Bell told reporters that she believed Webb had died by suicide.[69] “The way he
was acting it would be hard for me to believe it was anything but suicide,” she said.’
She said.
Bizarre comment, sounds like she’s reading a prepared statement or a script.
How come he couldn’t be acting weird AND have people trying to kill him, simultaneously?
Well, obviously. It’s just a laughable comment.
Suicide? My father died like Webb, with a gun in his hand, but I found out 18 years later LAPD had it as an open case, which they never bothered to share with me (nor did I ask).
Both Webb and the Old Man were clearly suicided, a favorite hobby of CIA and other Mobs.
GARY WEBB HAD TWO BULLETS IN HIS HEAD.
If you dig up that evidence, you’ll find his “suicide” is not as credible as the Magic Bullet trajectory.
Thank you for the answer John. I knew who Gary Webb was, and who he was investigating, but didn’t really dig deep into his “suicide”.
I didn’t know about the 2 bullets, but perhaps my naivety is showing in regards to just how monstrous the CIA is, and to what lengths they will go too.
And this despite me being in a Central American Solidarity Group in the 1980s and early 90s (Nicaragua, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, the death squads, the massacres, mass murderers like Rios Montt, etc)
I think I saw you describe them as America’s Gestapo a few weeks ago.
I hope your week goes well, and you avoid anymore choreographed protests. Almost had a vision of them complete with marching girls and pom poms!
And the puppet masters pulling the strings are probably having a good laugh at all the chaos they’ve helped unfurl.
The Pro-Test choreography was almost too much to bear. I couldn’t believe this big Hollywood production would hit the streets with such exponential insincerity preening up and down the blocks as sincerity. It looked like a Vegas number.
I actually got a queasy stomach for days from it, Gary. It was pretty awful.
Gezzah: its late.
Was going to reply an hour ago, then had a phone call and got sidetracked. Much appreciate all this info, and your replies.
And yes, I believe Robin Williams was murdered. He knew too much about what was occurring in that ‘famous place’ where ‘dreams’ are made. And nightmares.
A lot of evil going on just behind the curtains, so to speak.
A great concertmaster I once sang, often, with as a chorister, Wm. Preucil, I found out to my shock had been fired for “sexual misconduct” from his position of 23 years, in late 2018 (a year and a half ago) as recorded by Wikpedia. I’m a big fan, so I scoured the web and could find no subsantive news about it but at two rags. Guess who? THREE hit pieces in NYT THREE hit pieces at WaPo. ONLY. For a violinist in Ohio, albeit distinguished. That’s it? Aside from some really lowbrow sensationalist amateurish articles in Cleveland, nowhere else. NPR had some audio. So why privincial hit pieces, and nowhere else but the two biggest rags of the land? Not Chicago, not LA. An Not Boston, not SF. See what I mean? So, arguably the finest concertmaster in the world (at least for music) was felled by what looks like… Read more »
Bravo, Ed. Once more, into the breach. It is tiresome having to constantly refight these same battles – and against such dullards (they are in plentiful supply). What is it with these Brinkleys? Playing Brinkleyman-ship with the truth?
I knew I had written a review on a Brinkley JFK book, but it turns out it was Alan Brinkley (related?). For what it’s worth: https://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/0805083499/ref=acr_dp_hist_2?ie=UTF8&filterByStar=two_star&reviewerType=all_reviews#reviews-filter-bar
Keep up the great fight. Despite their apparent ubiquity, I suspect that most of us know the truth about the CIA’s continued murders of the Kennedys. Rise like lions after slumber, Ye are many, they are few.
“. Rise like lions after slumber, Ye are many, they are few.”
Controlling the lions means controlling how they expect each other to behave.
What Jam album was that quote on?
You are herding my felines🙂. I only used the line as roaring endorsement by way of reminding people that real power rests with us, the majority. If only we could wake from our slumber…
Bob Dylan, the last of a dying breed — a liberal who exposes corruption and tries to keep the unruly state in check. A magnificent song for anyone who has not heard it.
What is Zimmerman up to, pimping out to IBM with all these big “Watson” ads, not Sherlock’s Watson, but named after Thomas Watson, early heavy hitter for International Business Machines that made the punch cards for the 3rd Reich, when a #6 was given only to Jews and meant death.
I never trusted Bob, tho’ able as he is, too many lucrative contracts with the big boys of mass music. Like Zappa didn’t trust the Beatles for the same thing.
the stone movie was produced by arnon milchan a mossad agent who stole nuclear technology from the usa
christopher bollyn has a lot to say on arnan milchan who also producd a movie in the 1980s called the medusa touch with a scene with a jet crashing into a new york sky scraper
an interesting angle
Michael Collins Piper – JFK assassination & 1srael Part 1
Thank you Gordon, I was about to mention both the Milchan/Stone movie dubious connections, and MCP’s fascinating book – then saw your comment. Definitely interesting angles to explore!
Thanks Gordon. I’d seen many of MCP’s presentations but not heard his radio show. I drew on part 8 of 23 for another post.
In response to article the quote from arsecookie (below) On Noam’s controlled opposition is fitting.
1) Pretend there is a virus and a new disease then just allow debate but only on the fasle fatality figures.
Distract them and introduce with new theories(in the allowable narratives) when they become bored.
The narrive must make them believe utter lie that the psyop is based on 1) There is a deadly new virus & a new disease.
You like facts… there is not.
“Strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow
very lively debate within that spectrum – even encourage the
more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense
that there’s free thinking going on, while all the time the
presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the
limits put on the range of the debate.”Noam Chomsky 1968 controlled opposition for the establishment.
“Strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum – ” SPECTRUM OF ACCEPTABLE OPINION Thats always been life here, strictly enforced. I like that, it should be emblazoned on a heraldic emblem, or something, since it’s just a little bit too long to have the right swag for a band’s name, like “System of a Down” but needs optimization, maybe as a bumper sticker. USA is nothing if not a spectrum of such. I remember my first year in Paris and having access to their newspapers daily. “Finally! Something that remotely makes sense.” Most people here (SoCal) tune you out if you draw them into actual live (real time) thinking process. It all has to be select choreographed excerpts from the army training manual that is daily life, generally nationwide, but a little more sunbleached here. A little more laidback. But it still… Read more »
The great orchestral conductor Bruno Walter retired to Southern California in the late ’50s and made his final recordings there. He loved the climate and topography. Judging by what you say, he would nowadays love the topography not at all.
Bruno Walter was a favorite of my piano prof, Arnold Juda, whose brother Jo was concertmaster of the Concertgebouw, and whom I met when he came out to play a concert with his brother at UCI. They had been the Juda Brothers Trio, with their young brother Gabriel on cello, until he went out one evening to get some bread for the family dinner in Amsterdam at the beginning of Nazi control there. Some soldiers stopped him to check his papers, saw the Jewish star, and shot him dead. His family got wind of it almost right away, moved into the attic which had been prepared for them by kind neighbors, and didn’t come out til eight years later at the end of the war. I heard more than a few stories like that. Some worse. I didn’t know Walter was a neighbour, in California. Thanks for that. (My personal… Read more »
Ah Klemperer was a true maverick. Ever heard his Mahler 7? It lasts about 3 days.
My reply below at 3:49pm, mis-posted to Norcal
Thank you, John. Completely agree with you about Klemperer. He was my idol as a teenager and still is. Walter and Furtwaengler were great, but old Otto was even greater. What extraordinary luck that when he was regarded as ‘finished’, Walter Legge took him up and made all those marvellous EMI recordings. Incidentally, most were made in the ideal acoustic of Kingsway Hall rather than Abbey Road. I heard him ‘live’ just once. As you say, music is never off-topic, especially in Beethoven’s 250th birthday year, whose “sound” Klemperer got to perfection.
I meant Abbey Road as post-production of course, though I draw a blank on Kingsway, even though I had black and white photos of him conducting Beethoven’s 9th with chorus in background all over my walls. Abbey Road was where we ‘were told’ the finishing touches would be put in final stages, though we actualky recorded “Belshazzar’s Feast” with Sir Simon Rattle at Symphony Hall in Birmingham for EMI. The engineer would emerge periodically, with a red light on Rattle’s podium that would go on when we were live on tape, or software. (It was ’97) There were 400 of us just in the chorus, nearly 200 instruments and 2 brass bands, and the chief technician cheered us with this, “Q: What’s the difference between a recording engineer and a toilet seat? A: A toilet seat only has to deal with one a**hole at a time. But seriously, you people… Read more »
Acid was not invented by the Nazis as far as anyone knows. The CIA tried but it has failed as a mind control agent- it was an experiment that back-fired on everyone who clings to a materialistic view of life or a false spirituality / distorted metaphysics, such as Christianity. Acid is massively overrated because people are almost completely disconnected and living in a largely artificial world.
Though some facts true, a load of disinfo in the half-baked mix will make any cake fall flat.
Our biggest burden, cakes falling flatter than pancakes, everywhere these days!
Same issue, metaphorically, with masks and respirators. As one example, not much lost in translation there!
Read “The Poisoner In Chief”…
Klemperer had such rhythmic greatness in execution, the actual tenpo is almost irrelevant. Having had the most success at performing Bach, I can say with conviction that playing it more slowly simply exposes the weak links of a performer technically, it is more challenging repertoire to execute capably, the architecture must be presented with exactitude, or the whole thing falls rather flat, like a bad cake. This is why you hear Bach more and more played frantically. It is actually easier to play it fast than slow. The haste hides all the cracks. You always get some people who complain about K’s length, but his mastery is shown in the jaw-dropping grandeur of the emotional impact of his performances, his musical concepts. Like his Handel’s “Messiah” in “For unto us is Born” the entry of the seraphic strings on “Wonderful, Counsellor” got my attention. I think I had an out… Read more »
You’ve nailed it. I always thought it astonishing when comparing Klemperer’s slow Beethoven with Gardiner’s mad dash, it’s the Gardiner that sounds tedious. Once you adapt to the Klemperer approach, it sounds completely organic whilst the “historically informed” lot seem to be playing on automatic pilot.
To some Otto K will seem soporific, but that is because they haven’t really listened. I was fortunate to sing as a chorister in a very moving –and slow– rendering of Mahler’s Resurrection/2nd Symphony. The sense of time is almost glacier speed, the coda to end it unfurls so ponderously. Yet I’ve never been a part of much else that was that exciting, that exhilarating. But Mahler clearly had that in mind, as did Messaien in a Nazi POW camp when he wrote “Quartet for the End of Time” (Quattuor Pour La Fin du Temps) no doubt to remind the prisoners and guards, who loaned them instruments, that all creatures are passing, and there is a different starry time that rules above us. Kind of like now. The historically informed school is a scam, mostly. When we did the Bach B Minor Mass the Maestro said, “We are going to… Read more »
“The historically informed school is a scam.” Couldn’t agree more. As one critic said: invented in the 1980s by second-rate musicians who couldn’t compete with the established stars of the day.
But they’ve touted all that period piece stuff as de rigueur dogma and canonical in a gospel sense. I’ve had some pretty awkward conversations with people claiming it’s mandatory, though I think that gas fire will burn itself out.
Give me a great interpretation and its execution/performance and I don’t care what vintage the instruments.
I want music, not musico-political ideologues. If I’m low on political gas in my tank, there’s always Trump.
Norman Lebrecht had a cute name for the “historically informed” maestros – he called them “semi-conductors”!
Ah now Messiaen was something else. He must be the polar opposite of Mahler i.e. the former’s rock-solid faith as opposed to the latter’s chronic doubt. Once in an interview, Messiaen made a typically blasé reference to how he would be able to travel to other planets after he died. I wish I was smoking whatever he was!
In ’75 I had to leave my treasured studio on the Left Bank, a literal stone’s throw on a bad arm from Notre Dame, at the corner of the rue Galande. I found a garret rented to me by two very nice ancient French “Dames” at Ave. Wagram not far from Bois de Boulogne. Decislve in my choice was proximity to Restau-U, one of the chain of Sorbonne campus student restaurants that had as much lacklustre food you could eat for pennies, maybe a buck today. I stumbled in one day, half asleep, half a block away. My first trip there I spoke with a scholarly french youngster, not knowing where I was, and mentioned my passion for modern music, and Messaien’s name was the first, along with Stockhausen’s. After listening attentively, he said, “Eh, alors…” “I can introduce you to him, Im in his class of Musical Theory.” I… Read more »
I would have reacted with the same stupefied awe re: those composers. The only one I could have met was the Scots composer James Macmillan who turned up in Tower Records in Glasgow around 1990. He and I were the only people in the room (top floor) but I was too shy to approach him. Bearing in mind how appallingly reactionary he turned out, I don’t regret it now! Re: Boulez, more than one perso has remarked on his impish sense of humour. It won Frank Zappa over. I think my favourite Boulez story is this one (as reported by Gerald McBurney in the Guardian): “…I was escorting him [i.e. Boulez] to a restaurant. The rest of the company had moved swiftly, but he was walking slowly, tired after rehearsal. Someone had told me on no account to mention Messiaen. So I did, and he immediately laughed, stopped… Read more »
Totally agree. Much “historically informed” Beethoven performance emasculates and trivialises the music.
Though I did go to a Cleveland Orchestra concert where Beethoven 3 was on the bill as an historical re-enactment and it was pretty great to hear, but I’ll take the giants of our discourse here, instead.
You’re talking then about the real Dr. Strangelove, Sidney Gottlieb (german for: GodLove)? Mengele’s Yankee doppelganger? One of our chief culprits, as poisoner-in-chief? A horror story with legs?
I thought so.
You got it!
They set up shop in SF for distribution during the “flower power” movement…
That was the 2nd boot to drop, of the JFK assassination. First, they blow up a charismatic President, seeking to turn us to Peace, obliterating his brains to shreds –with no visibility of the culprits in their ghostly fashion– then after the broad spectrum of PTSD afflicts his supporters, people tending more toward genuine article than his adversaries, they wait a few years for the symptoms to kick in then launch Phase 2 (which is also what they’re calling this tableau of the Lockdown right as of now in Ca., and many places.) They trot out Timothy Leary, Ken Kesey, and their bands, armie, of “Merry [psyops ‘R U.S.] Pranksters” for the biggest organized (and disorganzed) psychological assault in history. People don’t know, but I can assure them the Bay Area is still reverberating with all the fallout from that -spiritual, emotional, ontological- over a half century later. It could… Read more »
The main point above, and many elsewheres, is that the assassinations were not really about the Kennedys, but they were, and our, about their supporters and sympathizers: all those who constitute the biggest threat to the usurpers. That is evidenced by the heinous, terroristic, and very brutal ways in which they were slaughtered.
Problem was, it rendered the vast array of the “collaterally damaged” victims as martyrs too, much like those at the foot of the Cross.
Truth be told, if such an assault has some ways of being taken positively, it has a deeply spiritualizing force for good at the deepest levels, like the Crucifixion.
Most helpful, John Ervin, many thanks…
CIA-centric narrative. When all agencies make up one spy eye for the banking cabal.
http://templeton01436.blogspot.com/2017/03/proof-that-usa-is-controlled-by-foreign.html
Noam Chomsky is a shill and controlled opposition and is no match for Michael Parenti
9/11 was bad enough, when I eventually realised in early 2003, that the Official US Government Story was impossible, because it broke all the most fundamental laws of physics..And yes I did go marching around london with over 1 million other people, trying to stop my Country going to war with Iraq…but it made no difference. Sure I told all my colleagues at work, and I told my wife and friends. It didn’t do me any good.. In the instant I knew, at work, I felt as if I had been kicked very hard in the guts… I instantly knew, that it was not some foreign culture, I knew very little about that had committed such evil – can’t blame Osama Bin Laden It is us. It blew my head off. It was my Anglo_American culture that had done this, but I knew we had been infiltrated. What’s going on… Read more »
Tony, I was about to go into one here in the comments section, but you beat me to it.
Dylan was well acquainted with Grace Slick…
“9/11 was bad enough”
Officer Tippit was shot at 1.16 according to the Warren Commission.(obfuscated by Wikipedia). 116 is of course 911 inverted.
Fok Bob Dylan, Fok Him, Fok his music and Fok any one who belives in him.
57 years to make a statement about JFK. He is the ultimate limited hang out.
Old Mary Rotolo had him pegged. Oh yes she did. “”Dylan said about his girlfriend Suze’s mother: “Mary, though, who worked as a translator for medical journals, wasn’t having it. Mary lived on the top floor of an apartment building on Sheridan Square and treated me like I had the clap. If she would have had her way, the cops would have locked me up. Suze’s mom was a small feisty woman-volatile with black eyes like twin coals that could burn a hole through you, was very protective. Always make you feel like you did something wrong. She thought I had a nameless way of life and would never be able to support anybody, but I think it went much deeper than that. I think I just came in at a bad time. She glared at me, cigarette in her mouth. She was always trying to goad me into… Read more »
It sounds like you’re bored in Cheltenham this evening.
What’s the latest bit of childish nonsense you’re about to trot out for us?
Perhaps, but just when people like David Talbot (“Brothers” about JFK & RFK, and “The Devil’s Chessboard” about Dulles engineering “The Big Event” CIA lovely code word for 11/22/63) had been lamenting that with disappearance of many from that era it would let the interest in the assassinations be forgotten, water under the bridge, along comes Dylan to cap the growing resurgence in understanding how it was that our country got hijacked, and how all important it is to keep these issues ever central. So, at least there’s that. I’ll thank him for that.
Apologies for my choice of words in my previous post and a sincere thank you for replying objectively.
The article in this link gives needed context for NYT longtime historically sourced role in helping CIA with a garden variety assassination, this one in Vietnam. Early in the game, 1952: https://www.hbrucefranklin.com/articles/the-quiet-americans-war-on-terror/ JOHN ERVIN: QUOTING THE ARTICLE BELOW AS IT APPEARED IN “THE NATION” 2003 AT THE TIME OF THE IRAQ INVASION, WHEN PUBLISHED AS A REVIEW OF “THE QUIET AMERICAN” FILM, STARRING MICHAEL CAINE, BASED ON THE NOVEL BY GRAHAM GREENE, WHO WROTE 40 YEARS AFTER THAT 1952 CARNAGE THAT IT WAS THE CLOSEST THING TO “PURE REPORTAGE” OF ANY OF HIS NOVELS. RELEVANT HERE IS THE COLLABORATIVE PRESENCE AND WAR CRIMES OF THE NEW YORK TIMES AS IT WORKED HAND IN GLOVE WITH THE FLEDGLING C.I.A. TO SPREAD TERROR IN 1952 SAIGON, SOUTH VIETNAM. THE TIMES WERE ALREADY THEN A “MOCKINGBIRD” SUBSIDIARY, AND CLEARLY, EVER SINCE: “By the Bombs’ Early Light; Or, The Quiet American’s War on Terror… Read more »
In the story about the State Dept bringing Fidel Castro to power (see below), former U.S. Ambassador Earl T. Smith talks about the role of the NYT in promoting Castro. Upon Smith’s appointment, the State Dept actually drafted in the NYT reporter Herbert Matthews to brief the incoming ambassador.
Matthews wrote numerous reports assuring the public that Castro was not a communist and setting the stage for his coming to power. In fact the NYT had promoted Castro since the Bogota uprising of 1948 when Castro was only 22.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Matthews
https://youtu.be/9FKjcr9Ytac?t=372
Servando Gonzalez does a great job exploring this in his book Psychological Warfare.
Thanks for the tip. It jolted my brain to remember the famous NYT lapse when Walter Duranty stunned his fellow journalists with his flat-out denials of the Bolshevik-induced famine of 1932-33 that followed the liquidation of the most skilled and energetic peasants. https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/4652-durantys-lethal-li
Liverpool-born Duranty’s Harrow and Cambridge education, and his friendship with Aleister Crowley, does me suspect he was working for British intelligence.
There was no bolshevik induced famine! You can’t pay the weather to be bad or to go away mark taugher has done great work debunking these lies that you repeat. Mark Taugher was a respected famine expert
Until he proved anti communists to be liars (which isn’t hard to do)
When you get downvotes for a richly informational article like that, and true, and accurate, and scholarly…
You know that night and too much truth has brought the trolls out of their holes in feculent and feckless force.
Thank you John Ervin…
😇😇😱
After a full reading of the article and a scan of the comments it prompted, I’ve decided to resist the temptation to throw my theory into the ring. The subject is Dylan’s interview and the reluctance of the interviewer to display any skill as an interviewer or ask any interesting questions.Needles to say, the CIA moved into CNN years ago.They didn’t leave.The CIA get in everywhere.They’re like the coronavirus/ covid 19. Except you can actually find and identify the CIA.And many of us were lucky enough to learn how to self- medicate years ago with an anti-bullshit vaccine. Dylan has long been a cultural icon. Arguably the finest song writer of any time.And he’s remained consistent.He was counter culture in the 60s because he’s counter culture, not because he saw what was ‘trending’.That he’s still counter culture 60 years later is testimony to his credibility.His refusal to play nice… Read more »
Tippett and Oswald were often seen, laidback having breakfast together months before the assassination at The Pig and Whistle diner in Dallas.
Why not, they were both CIA residing and working hand in glove in Dallas?
Dylan accepting the Tom Paine award December 1963: ” So, I accept this reward – not reward, (Laughter) award in behalf of Phillip Luce who led the group to Cuba which all people should go down to Cuba. I don’t see why anybody can’t go to Cuba. I don’t see what’s going to hurt by going any place. I don’t know what’s going to hurt anybody’s eyes to see anything. On the other hand, Phillip is a friend of mine who went to Cuba. I’ll stand up and to get uncompromisable about it, which I have to be to be honest, I just got to be, as I got to admit that the man who shot President Kennedy, Lee Oswald, I don’t know exactly where –what he thought he was doing, but I got to admit honestly that I too – I saw some of myself in him. I don’t… Read more »
Wow! Think that’s as close to real anger as u can get Edward, totally justified too cos tho ppl really know, we still allowed them to pull off 9/11, 7/7 and all the horrors that ensued. Particularly the multi – level shit going on atm.
Just keep doing ur thing, loadsa love to you n yours xxxxxx
Medieval Feudalism required a new system to cope with slowly increasing population.
We recognise as government.
6 billion people later – They need a need a new mechanism.
The World Economic Forum is not being shy about their intent – Feudal technocracy! – no one left behind!
There is a way out!
STOP the infection LIES!
&
Adopt a greenback value based currency in each country.
Not The Debt Based Central banking model that will enslave us all and our descendants in perpetuity.
We create value – banks create nothing!
In effect we create all money!
Defund the Technocratic globalists.
Bottom up Government, Not top down!
What isn’t news is that Amerikan media-darling celebrity “historians” are almost always highly-overrated hacks. Remember Stephen Ambrose, the Serious Historian who pimped the “Greatest Generation” hype espoused by fellow infotainers Tom Hanks and Tom Brokaw? Eventually it was discovered that his work was riddled with plagiarism and error, but for a while he was glorified as a bona-fide scholar of history with a keen and insightful intellect. And then there’s the LBJ historian whose name I disremember and can’t be bothered looking up. Caro, maybe? I have relatives with advanced degrees who religiously read the New York Times and are nominally conventional, conformist members of the US intelligentsia– they dote on popular “celebrated” historians like Caro and Brinkley. They’re charlatans. If Bob was in the mood to resurrect his mid-60s approach toward conventional/mainstream journalists, he would’ve spun Brinkley like a top. Now he’s more like an old cat who tolerantly watches a mouse or… Read more »
May I appeal to the fellow OffG readers?
Make time capsules.
With you-know-what.
Just read an article that portrays our predators, describes their movements across the history of the past seventy years, and even names them :
Cynthia Chung, June 14, 2020. Believe it or not, but the dystopic view that democracy is dead is by no measure a new idea. However, what might disturb you is where this design, in its contemporary form, really germinated from………….
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/06/14/enemy-within-story-purge-american-intelligence/
the end was in sight….the people had increased the stack – the mountain was conquered, then for the overhaul….can only be failure to imagine it’s reform a being design of the people – when others have cast the lasso – sent out the invites to the party.- accepted and confirmed, in the fancy dress of sitting ducks.
It is really amazing that the British PM is still insisting on a 2 m distance, which will make so many things impossible. That is just pure willfull vandalism of British small business, but a Bonanza for large US corporates who will swoop in and buy up the broken businesses. As they insist on the distance I read sky news telling us that the virus lives on surfaces for 72 house, but not paper or parcels from Amazon of course!
Yes, it’s all total rollocks.
At the height of the Occupy movement, after the 2008 economic crash, most sides estimate that 1 in 4 of the protestors were police or security state agitators. That’s how afraid the little tossers were.
It’s even worse now. Look at this board, where you now get a plethora of security state little wankers who try to steer you into the state narrative.
Hello little wankers, your time is over, and you are all going to be put on trial.
Do you understand me? (you have to ask them this because they are all so dumb – Craig Murray’s board is a good example of this).
Good luck everyone.
With the way things are you’re certainly going to need it.
1 of 4? My direct experience of many of those has been more like 3 of 5.
When I was invited 15 years ago to several think tanks on election (process) reform and voting security, all the groups would start out credibly real, then 1 in 3 were not, and at the end 9 of 10 were spooks playing true blue zealots, just insane. Any really devout group would get so hideously crashed.
That’s when I started really spaying attention to all the seams in ALL these things! LOLLL
Paying and paying and paying. Spaying is a different op, though related.
I think we need to start telling them , they already know we are mad as hell but really lads we are not going to take this any more.Get off to Mars you Inhumans.
Nothing you know is true. Round two. The U.S. armed Fidel Castro and helped him seize power.
G Edward Griffin is a towering researcher on topics from the founding of the Federal Reserve to 911. We also owe him for overturning the yarn we’ve been spun for 50 years about Cuba.
In 1980, Griffin interviewed the former American ambassador to Cuba, Earl T. Smith (1957-59), who was appointed to oversee the removal of Fulgencio Batista. What Ambassador Smith revealed is that the U.S. State Department withheld weapons from Batista while arming Fidel Castro.
Let that sink in when you think about the Bay of Pigs invasion of April 1961. Was Bay of Pigs a genuine invasion or a psyop, three months after his accession, to gaslight JFK?
I don’t know anything.
G Edward Griffin is great but regarding the Fed, Eustace Mullins reckons Mr. Griffin plagiarised his book…
He did, The Creature From Jekyll Island is almost entirely based on Mullins’ Secrets of the Federal Reserve.
Griffin has apparent moments of lucidity, but then he spins off into stupidland – he seems to believe the US deep state is controlled by (gasp!!!!!) commies, and the US **capitalist** deep state’s long term game plan of controlling all important parts of the world is a commie globalist undertaking. (sorry if I’m breaking any illusions here … a lot of people seem to be lost in the same nonsense …)
and many years later, they went for the President’s son …
http://www.whataboutthewhen.com/murder_jfk_jr_anne_frank.html
MG
Anyone who knows anything about the forensics of the JFK Jr death will be clear that it was another assassination. His monogrammed luggage, and the 2 others’, all washed ashore at the beach house of Jackie, his then-recently departed mother. That doesn’t happen by chance, or even “coincidence”.
But that is typical of the savage Nazi “pranks”. Always. Sick people here.
FTR #175 The Death of John F. Kennedy, Jr. http://spitfirelist.com/for-the-record/ftr-175-fortunate-son-i-the-death-of-john-f-kennedy-jr/ “Veteran journalist John Bryan interviewed Kyle Brady (a veteran pilot who flew from the same airport Kennedy departed from) who said JFK, Jr.‘s preflight actions indicated that Kennedy seemed to feel that something was wrong with the plane. Contrary to news reports at the time, the weather was clear and the visibility was from between two and five miles. Contrary to news reports JFK Jr had flown more than double the hours needed to get his permit. Far from inexperienced he was a long-time pilot and enthusiast. Bryan also reports eyewitness reports of seeing a “flash” or explosion over the water when Kennedy’s plane disappeared. Bryan recounts numerous observations by media political pundits that Kennedy was going to be offered either the Presidential or, more likely, the Vice-Presidential nomination, in an attempt to assure victory for the Democrats in the… Read more »
Note that Roger Stone promotes the idea that Hillary Clinton was behind JFK Jr’s death (he was a rival for senator for New York) but this ignores one rather bigger candidacy that was being planned for 2000.
George W. Bush was being lined up for president. If Kennedy was going to be offered either the Presidential or, more likely, the Vice-Presidential nomination, it’s a fair bet that Dubya was going to be crushed. As it was, he had to fiddle the votes.
Who was present in Dallas on 11/22/63 but George H.W. Bush and his good wife Aleister Crowley’s daughter https://whowhatwhy.org/2013/10/09/bush-and-the-jfk-hit-part-4-barbaras-hair-raising-day/
Oh, and 911 was already being planned. I think it was 911 Commission co-chair Tom Kean who said in an unguarded moment that the 2001 attacks were part of a plan that went back decades.
Dubya didn’t fiddle anything, he can hardly figure out which way to hold a book – his handlers, maybe …
zimmerman is a fraud a hack joni mitchell knew it said it she once was heard stating that leonard cohen was some how connected to the scribblings of this bad act. like tavistock beatles these songs where drafted up in regular offices in official buildings the plan A revolution introduced millions of young people to occultism, blasphemy, eastern mysticism, sexual perversion, moral decline and ilicit drug use. he sold his soul long ago just keeping up his side of the bargain ugly retarded spirit at the cross roads he is not a hero just another talmudick deconstruction agent of zio babylon degradation division an obsession a desire to control all sides all narrative all the songs all mockery in word in sin bull in gesture these freaks are not gods but satans spawn many folks here buy into amazon even now… Read more »
I like your poems.
Faul was the dodgy one.
He was the Fool on the hill who saw the sun going down and the world spinning round.
Paul is the Barry Manilow of Rock and Roll. He reminds me, though very talented, of the great worm Smaug, in his love for hoarding gold.
Off-G must be kind of tame reading for you ….
I would hazard a guess that Dylan might have as yet some unannounced illness and he knows that his time is short (or maybe he just knows that he’s getting on and his time is short).
It was a similar scenario with Bowie, who in early 2016 released his Black Star album, just days before he died from liver cancer. Most of the world didn’t know that Bowie was dying. Black Star, and particularly the title track, contains some extraordinary imagery and lyrics, if you listen carefully.
It’s as if these guys know that their time is up, and before they go they want to tell it how it really is.
I sincerely hope that Dylan is ok. He remains a brilliant poet even in old age (poetry is not a young man’s game, it’s a middle-aged man’s game).
Bob’s on the next ship to Mars.Which is the same as the moon as we have been told by POTUS POTUS has a brain problem.He’s off there too.But Bowie is the man who fell to Earth..I really am looking forward to the show.
Paz y amor
If Bowie died, how was he very obviously able to appear on Sky News the day after smirking and saying it was as if part of him had died?
More disruptive nonsense from you. Combat 77 Brigade motto: “Disrupt and divide. And if all else fails, drag them down the rabbit hole”.
Well said.Also,why did his sister say on a television show for fool’s that he did a good job faking his own death.Major Tom is gonna beam him down soon people to save us from the racists.Who they manufactured .
bowie died the character that is
the man david robert jones was in brixton on the day of the announcement of the death of the sim
characters passing
he was also in west london near the gillette building doing an interview
Spring-heeled Jack
wake up fools
You security service loons bore the hell out of me (and you will all be put on trial); but I suppose it gives me the excuse to post this again…
I dont even read the articles on here no more , just the comments of my fellow humans.Just reading the comments tells me the jist of it.Bob says in the song that Jackie did it.It’s blatantly obvious.Peace and love.
I remember pointing this out to a friend in the U.S some years ago – she worked in investigating insurance claims for large corporations – I told her to watch Jackie, most folk tend to look at Kennedy’s head – her first response was – Wow !
Thankyou friend.
Let’s have some fun. We know it wasn’t the Cubans that killed Kennedy. But Fidel did have a fling and capture Canada. That’s what you call close AND a cigar!
Justin just might be Castro’s son! There is a (Canadian) famous picture (now memory-holed) of Castro holding Justin in his arms. This was during the time Margaret was a wayward lass hanging out with the Stones. As Pierre was a homosexual, it is very possible that an arrangement could have made for Fidel to co-join with the NOT so Fidel Margaret!
https://nyulocal.com/new-world-university-justin-trudeau-is-fidel-castros-son-bccf01403a86 (read the comments)
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/wherry-trudeau-castro-1.3871016
Well said for saying let’s have some fun.
There is a vanishingly small possibility that Zimmerman did not know the truth about the assassination for most of the 60 years.
He was even given a Nobel prize that he ummed and aahd about… he could have made his statement belatedly then.
Redemption indeed. Self redemption it looks like. He too feels his mortality and his great sin in being party to the cover-up for so long.
Is it his conscience speaking or guilt and desire to preserve his ‘memory free of blemish’?
Where is his background explanation- why is it reliant on just this ONE unreliable narrative?
Bob could and should put that on the ‘record’ for these not inclined to decipher his redemption song.
Apparently people think that it’s OK for a songwriter to present himself as blatantly nuts? Because what on earth do you think would happen if he came out and said, “ya know, we should talk about that Kennedy thing and I’ll set ya right”? The song says everything he wanted to say, there’s no need to say anything else, and especially not in front of the media circus.
British heavy rock version (1980) – still going saw Saxon last year.
“Saxon – Dallas 1 PM”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwPLExWJifA&feature=youtu.be
Tony
Despite the fervent beliefs and musings of the “Saint JFK Killer Kult” and Mr Tambourine Man (and his harmonica), it is highly doubtful that had “SAINT JACK” not been whacked by the Cocaine Importers of America (CIA) and its Roselli family “subcontractors” that much (if anything) would be different today. The names may have changed but the crimes would have been the same. Criminal factions fighting for spoils is not socialism.
https://www.deviantart.com/redamerican1945/art/Eugene-V-Debs-Republican-Democratic-Party-674343047
You can draw a line from the assassination through a whole succession of presidents who were involved or who helped cover up the assassination – or who owed their promotion to the perpetrators. Shakespeare or Marlowe got it absolutely right and nothing has changed since Tamburlaine or Caesar.
Johnson, Nixon, Ford – Carter was a Rockefeller poodle – Reagan was a MCA/von Bolschwing creation – then back to Bush, Clinton who was a total Rockefeller-Bush creation, then another Bush, then Obama who is a CIA creation…
Only when you get to Trump do you have a president who is not identifiably a conspirator in the JFK assassination or a creation of the perpetrators, the Trilaterals or the CIA.
Bush snr was at the centre of it and remained there throughout.
Let’s not forget King Kissinger who has been around sooooooooo long.
LBJ was in on the hit.
citation needed
Yes, his mistress Madelyn Duncan Brown talks about LBJ involvement very credibly.
There is a brutally honest interview somewhere on YouTube with the mafia guy who was the story behind Ray Liotta’s character in Goodfellas. He claimed that it was the mafia who did the actual hit on JFK.
Certainly some Mafia did, they were the jackals, triangulating. But I’ve been wrong before. Not about the big picture though.
The Palace Coup of 1963 is very relevant to who runs America today. The bottom line is that U.S. intelligence enabled people like Otto von Bolschwing to work at the highest levels of American business and politics, with connections to Klaus Barbie in Bolivia, and Adolf Eichmann in Argentina, carrying forward the plan. J.E. Hoover worked with the Gestapo and he knew these people were going to set up another Reich before they left Germany. Allen Dulles who lured Otto von Bolschwing, and who hired Reinhard Gehlen, was on the Warren Commission that decided who killed JFK. Gerald Ford of the CIA was also on the Warren Commission and lied and covered up for Richard Nixon and absolved him of all crimes, including murder if it should ever come out, before Ford, too, earned his chance to keep the throne warm. The Warren Commission was stacked with CIA… Read more »
JFK died long ago. He’s gone and isn’t coming back. What was the purpose of Dylan’s song? In other words, why should anyone give a crap at this time? Everyone needs to move on.
And yes, governments worldwide have been complicit in murders, assignations, conspiracies and so much more over the entirety of history. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Did you just tune in?
Well sure this is depressing stuff but what did Mr Curtin think would happen? Did he foresee a headline like: LEGENDARY SONGWRITER REVEALS AGE OLD CONSPIRACY AND THE US GOVT OWN UP! “WE’VE BEEN KILLING EVERYONE FOR DECADES BUT BOB HAS CAUGHT US OUT!” When Oliver Stone made his JFK movie unambiguously giving us the conspiracy angle, the director was a non-person until he called the movie his own “myth”. As long as everyone is talking about their own “myths” the US govt is perfectly happy. So re: the new Dylan song, of course, we are going to get a load of vacuous waffle about “cultural imagery” and “piecing together the mystery” etc. And should anyone bring out the obvious observation that Dylan has joined the conspiracists, nobody is going to shoot him since that would give the game away. No, you will only get the customary… Read more »
EXCERPT ABOUT OLIVER STONE’S “JFK” FROM MICHAEL PARENTI’S ESSAY “THE JFK ASSASSINATION: DEFENDING THE GANGSTER STATE”: http://www.michaelparenti.org/JFKAssassination.html “An end run around the media blackout was achieved by Oliver Stone’s movie JFK, a film that directly reached millions of viewers with an accurate account of the specifics of the assassination. The movie could not simply be ignored because it was reaching a mass audience. So the press savaged it. As far as I know, JFK is the only movie in film history that was attacked, six months before it was released, in just about every major broadcast and print outlet. The Washington Post, for instance, gave George Lardner Jr. the whole front page of its Sunday “Outlook” section (5/19/91) to slam Stone for “chasing fiction.” Lardner was an interesting choice to review this particular movie, being the Post reporter who covered the CIA and who never wrote a critical word about… Read more »
I love that bit, “Oliver Stone’s near-pathological monkeying with history”. So history is a sacred text and doubting it is “near-pathological”?
Then there’s this bit below, same Parenti piece (link above), but a quick scroll down to my personal fave, an “editorial” at WaPo 1/6/79 that came out after HSCA had concluded that there was “probably” more than one assassin. I can’t read it without laughing so hard I can’t stop crying, since I first saw it years ago: the unbelief that wells up in anyone without a petrified diaphragm, that the Wa Post would actually feel driven, apparently with straight faces, to publish in print any contention so obviously ludicrous, as in “untenable”: ***Like the Warren Commission, the press assumed a priori that Oswald was the killer. The only question it asked was: Did Oswald act alone? The answer was a loudly orchestrated YES. Meanwhile, almost every in-depth investigator had a different conclusion: Oswald did not act at all. He was not one of the people who shot Kennedy, although… Read more »
Edward Curtin,
Thank you. Listening to it now.
Lyrics
http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/murder-most-foul/
Tony
Of course Brinkley knows that the ‘murder most foul’ and 9/11 are direct causes of the restlessness in America today.
It’s a restlessness that those in power (banksters, CIA, etc.) seek to divert, via their mainstream Goebbels media, to racism, flu and anything else that comes along.
Since the banksters et al have now stolen almost everything they can from the people, the people have little left to lose. That makes this a very dangerous time for the power elite.
No wonder their propaganda is in overdrive.
But it won’t save them.
The following article claims there are two distinct versions of Covid-19, the Wuhan strain and the Euro-American strain.
http://www.preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1184
It seems the Euro-American strain of Covid-19 had already spread worldwide long before Wuhan.
The Wuhan strain (just like SARS before it) is dangerous, especially to the elderly, but not particularly contagious, whereas, the Euro-American strain is quite contagious, but not particularly dangerous. If classified, the Euro-American strain would be classed as another strain of the common cold. Because it wasn’t dangerous the Euro-American strain spread worldwide without being noticed.
What do you think?
I think that this is a copy-paste from the previous thread.
Thanks for this. Jack does seem to be a chap of one idea.
I was worried that I experiencing double, and even triple, vision– that at long last, I was succumbing to the Megadeath Virus of Doom! 😉
Hello, Ort. I was wondering where everyone was hanging out these days. See you around.
No, it’s quite the MYSTERY why, given what is happening in the world today, Off-Guardian keeps distracting with stories about a PALACE COUP in the 1960s. Who gives a s–t about one set of psycho monsters at the top of the power pyramid offing the ‘head’ of another set of monsters? Of course the FABIAN LIE MACHINE has always lionised this member of one of America’s most perverted and demonic families. Readers of Animal farm will understand the propaganda technique. Meanwhile, talking of things that matter today, the Deep State manipulation of the mob in the USA continues, with the police slaughter of a ‘black’ man at a fast food outlet, and the ‘other’ side encouraged to justify his MURDER, cos the drunk struggled and grabbed a NON-LEATHAL taser. Everywhere you go online, if the outlet poses as non-woke, it justifies the murder of this man. In… Read more »
“The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to
strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow
very lively debate within that spectrum – even encourage the
more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense
that there’s free thinking going on, while all the time the
presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the
limits put on the range of the debate.”
Noam Chomsky 1968
BLM is the lively debate to distract whilst they push through God knows what.
Yeah this site pretends there is a ” new virus that causes a new disease COvID19 ” .It only questions the number of deaths and govt lockups .
The Kennedy article is distracting and outdated everyone here knows about the K assassination, 911, mind programming, NWO .
Chomsky was a great controlled opposition leader.