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WATCH: COVID-911 – From Homeland Security to Biosecurity

9/11, as we were told repeatedly in the days, weeks, and months after the attack, was the day that changed everything. And now a new event has come along to once again throw the world into chaos. But whereas the post-9/11 era introduced America to the concept of homeland security, the COVID-19 era is introducing the world to an altogether more abstract concept: biosecurity. This is the story of the COVID-911 security state.

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AFEKT IOT
AFEKT IOT
Sep 25, 2020 4:54 PM

The World Economic Forum has infiltrated America’s public health agencies and scientific academics. They have hijacked our science turning it into social engineering science. We need to stop running around like scared little lab bunny rabbits. We need to get out from under the parasite class who run their criminal information warfare [io] [iia].

Who gave this parasite class, the 1% of the 1% to play God without permission? 

As a programmer and computer engineer who writes code and algorithms, I am very concerned that we have zero accountability, let alone discussions or peer-reviewed critical analysis of how dangerous it can be when these oligarchs have the ability to rule over our own bodies by algorithms.

Last week I had another disconcerting conversation with one of my colleagues who is an Artificial Intelligence consultant and works as a sub-contractors over at the Atlantic Council think tank, and he commented on how, ”It’s now all about hacking the human brain and our biological bodies- that keeps those damn Technocrats so obsessed.” He jokingly complained how feels like a drug dealer now, ” Our algorithms are light years beyond predictive behavior analytics, and once they realized this it became like an insatiable drug they fiend for. So now we sell them the perfect drug. Invisible power to control.”

These shadow brokers and contractors have become the drug dealers for the cabal of elites. Providing dazzling code for push-button control. 

The engineers of this social science work under line items as Info Operations [io] , [iia] Internet Interactivity Activities, the more polite acronyms for reality hacking. They just let the algorithm rule us now. 

The problem is there are not many familiar with how far advanced AI, machine learning and much other dark technology ( developed by outfits such as DARPA) have become . It will enable these corrupt technocrats to usher in a ‘Fourth Industrial Revolution.’ 

A revolution that will forever change what it is to be human. A near-future where the promise of human 2.0 is only reserved for this parasite class, while the rest of humanity suffers as our own bodies and brains become the raw resource of energy to exploit. 

These parasites are the same psychopaths who constructed our global central banks of fiat currency. A monetary system with a record of failure. We are now are witnessing once again how their worthless fiat currency, backed by corruption, debt, liber accounting fraud, manipulation by algorithms, their obfuscation of our real monetary value- precious metals, and ongoing manipulation of the public’s perception through wars, bubbles, manufactured crisis after crisis and now pandemics.

This parasite class has a historical record of brutality when they have failed to find cover for their own failed systems.

In America our own CDC (Center of Disease Control) is just one of many institutions that their algorithm enjoys infecting that will diminish all its legacy equity of trust into dust. In this new world, we all have become disposable on their fast track to trans humanism. Equality my ass. 

The algorithm does not care about our health. If it did all these natural treatments would be available, instead, we let them make us sicker and abuse the psyche of all our children. The psychological torture of weaponized algorithms attacking our mental well being and threats of arrest for going to church, running our lives as games. Excuse me folks, but this is called Terrorism. 

How are they getting away with it? 

It all sits on the PCR test which is scientifically meaningless but has become their perfect weapon for social engineering. The entire Scientific community understands the amount of trickery that a PCR can have without set standards of its sensitivity markers to detect the virus. All with no proof for the RNA being of viral origin. 

Now the question is: What is required first for virus isolation/proof? 

We need to know where the RNA for which the PCR tests are calibrated comes from. PCR is extremely sensitive, which means it can detect even the smallest pieces of DNA or RNA — but it cannot determine where these particles came from. 
That has to be determined beforehand. 

In the context of SARS-CoV-2, we so-called conspiracy theorists are still waiting for the proof of whether the electron-microscopic shots depicted in all these science teams in vitro experiments show purified viruses. 

What’s quite frankly the most exhaustive case of gaslighting- would be the FDA’s own printed words. 

As I pop my daily Vitamin C, zinc, and vitamin D – I see that all too familiar label ‘ These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA ….’ 

But I will tell you that what has been evaluated by the FDA is the PCR testing functionality. And they read as follows where the FDA admits that:

“positive results […] do not rule out bacterial infection or co-infection with other viruses. The agent detected may not be the definite cause of disease.”

Perhaps the most astounding is the actual PCR Test Kits own medical inserts ( distributed by Roche ) reads:

 “ These assays are not intended for use as an aid in the diagnosis of coronavirus infection”

And:

For research use only. Not for use in diagnostic procedures.”

Then what the fuck is real science now? 

This parasite class are good for one thing. Creating fake money, fake science, fake realities, fake threats and fake perceptions. All to feed their insatiable need for control. 

The whole C19 house of cards pandemic now sits on the PCR test. This is all code. DNA, RNA. 

Another big concern. Our brains have no intrinsic fire-wall for this new code that these mad scientists are infecting us with. Fuck cyber attacks. The real threats are the psychological attacks that have already dismantled our attention spans. 

Social media was the contagion that destroyed our sense-making and once they get their medical hooks into everybody our own bodies down to our microscopic cells will be ruled by their algorithms. 

They had their deep hooks in Silicon Valley and Shanghai long ago planning for their ‘Great Reset.’ They write code. Viruses are code. 
This war was coded, gamed, simulated and now being played. On us. I am not saying this sarcastically. These games they are playing are killing us. 

The covid19 pandemic is not based on classic virology or real science. 

It’s a new social science. Not valued by ethical skepticism. Novel in that it can disregard a gold standard in satisfying the four Koch’s postulates because it’s a type of new science where they can write their own code. 

We are on the path of becoming just another upstream of data to be mined for reflexive control over our own bodies and brains. Stop writing code for these bastards! People need to realize that the Emperor wears no clothes. 
To use fear as some form of bio-API to social engineer us into pieces of code where they can control us bit by bit, is an abomination. 
Now we somehow must all submit to their demands as a solution for a better future for ecological and equitable fairness. My ass. These are the very same problems that these fuckers have created that plague humanity in the first place. 

Welcome to the Technocracy- where we the people have become the serfs as raw resources and energy for their Fourth Industrial Revolution.  

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Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
Sep 15, 2020 10:25 AM

Someone has posted the following work of genius beneath the video on You Tube. I think this deserves to be widely circulated:

‘It’s just a mask.

It’s just voluntary social distancing.

It’s just two weeks – to “flatten the curve.”

It’s just temporary.

It’s just to prevent an overwhelming surge of the health care system.

We’re all in this together.

It’s just ‘non-essential’ businesses.

It’s just until the surge is over.

Its just to keep others from being scared.

It’s just a sign of caring.

It’s just two more weeks.

It’s just six feet.

It’s just communion or singing.

You can still meet on videochat.

It’s the new normal.

Anyone who does not comply is making things worse.

It’s just until October.

It’s just until more cases go down.

It’s just until we get a vaccine.

It’s just until the virus is no longer an issue.

It’s just the deletion of a YouTube video.

It’s just the deletion of a Facebook post.

It’s just the deletion of a YouTube account.

It’s just the deletion of a Facebook account.

It’s just to protect others from misinformation.

Anybody who does not agree must be a right wing extremist or a white supremacist.

It’s just a nasal swab.

It just hurts for a few seconds.

It’s just for everyone’s safety.

We will need for you to return for repeat testing once every week.

You ideally should wear goggles or an eye mask for “more perfect” protection.

It’s recommended that you wear a mask while you are at home with family members.

It’s advised that you maintain social distance while you are at home with family members.

It’s just until there are less than 6 new cases per 100,000 people.

This may not end until the second half of 2021 or in 2022.

We need to ramp up the testing and tracing.

This is a testing checkpoint. You must submit to a test.

It’s just an app.

It’s just to let us know who you’ve been in contact with.

It’s just to let others know you’re safe to be around.

It’s just a few places that don’t accept cash.

It’s only a temporary coin shortage.

It’s just a no-cash policy.

It’s a convenient card that tracks all your transactions.

It’s just a ban on singing in public.

It’s only facial recognition.

It’s just an ankle bracelet.

It’s just to let us know that you are complying with isolation.

The drones will be monitoring you for your protection to make sure you are complying with quarantine.

You should not have sex without wearing a mask.

You are not allowed to have sex with anyone who is not a member of your household.

It’s just a little prick.

It’s just a quantum-dot tattoo embedded into your skin.

This device provides a brief electrical current to allow the RNA or DNA to enter your cells.

It’s for your health security..

That’s just a conspiracy theory.

It’s so we can keep track of your immunization status.

It’s just a temporary side effect.

It’s just a coincidence – it has nothing to do with the vaccine.

If you feel sick at any time or for any reason, it just means it’s the virus is causing it.

If you get sick, then you just have to start again with more isolation and injections.

It looks like we will need multiple booster injections to give you the best protection.

It’s just a new type of mask with a built-in temperature and virus sensors that you need to wear all day.

It’s just for medical information and paying for things.

It’s just an immunization passport.

It’s completely voluntary, but you need it if you want to be able to participate in society.

It’s just that you can’t board an airplane without it.

It’s just that you are not allowed to be employed without it.

It’s just that you cannot go to school or university without it.

It’s just that you cannot enter any stores without it.

It’s just that you cannot renew your driver’s license without it

It’s just that you are not allowed to leave your house without it.

It’s just so you can be allowed to drive on the roads.

It’s just so you can be allowed to vote.

It’s just so you are allowed to keep your job.

It’s just so you can allowed inside stores.

It’s only a restaurant closure.

It’s only one small business that has closed.

It’s just a one-time stimulus check.

The economy will eventually bounce back – it will be a “V” shaped curve.

It’s just a temporary job loss.

It’s just a temporary unemployment check.

It’s was just a temporary moratorium on evictions and foreclosures.

It’s just an eviction notice.

It’s just a foreclosure notice.

It’s only needed in order for you to be allowed government assistance.

It’s just a temporary bank closure.

It’s just a bank holiday.

It’s just a ban on cash.

The dollar has been devalued.

It’s a brand new digital cryptocurrency designed by Microsoft.

If you care, then you reduce your talking, or stop talking completely when in public.

It’s only required if you want to leave your house.

It’s voluntary but your children will need to be removed from your care.

It’s mandatory.

Without it you will be fined.

If you don’t have it you will be placed in a quarantine facility.

This should end no longer than one year after the entire world has been vaccinated with all four doses.

It’s just until there are no more new cases.

It’s just until we completely irradicate the virus.

It’s unrealistic to think that we can completely irradicate this because it mutates and adapts.

We now believe that the virus will always be with us.

It’s the onset of a brand new pandemic. It’s called “Pandemic Two.”

It’s just a little chip. It’s for health security.

Stop asking questions. This is the law and you are expected to follow it.

This is a lawful order. We are here to remove you and your children from your home. We will be taking you to a safe facility. Please get into the van.

Welcome to the quarantine facility. This is a locked facility for your safety.

You will need to wear a hazmat suit.

It’s just a mask.

“The more we do to you, the less you seem to believe we are doing it”. – Joseph Mengele.’

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
Sep 15, 2020 6:21 AM

Chichester cafe owner puts up sign ‘banning’ face masks as he brands them ‘Government muzzles’

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/j-voke-vintage-tearoom-chichester-ban-face-masks-a4547291.html

Karma Kommando
Karma Kommando
Sep 15, 2020 1:16 AM

Am I alone in being concerned by the conflation of 9/11 and C19?

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
Sep 15, 2020 10:29 AM
Reply to  Karma Kommando

Personally, I am very disturbed by the links Corbett brings up.

Edwige
Edwige
Sep 14, 2020 10:04 PM

One difference is then they told you there was no need to wear a mask:

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Sep 15, 2020 3:21 AM
Reply to  Edwige

Ms. Whitman suggests that pulverized asbestos is perfectly fine to breathe… Erm…

One of the reasons Larry Silverstein got such a deal on the trade center complex, was the fact that the New York port authority (the previous owner) had analyzed the costs of asbestos removal and necessary safety upgrades to the facilities in the late 90’s, and had determined cost would exceed practical market value. Demolition costs had also been discussed shortly after the 1994 “bombing”, but even future demolition costs were considered an awkward liability to the port authority and bond holders.

Leases and long term rents in the buildings had been declining for a number of years prior to 9/11, as other New York developments offered better access and lower costs. All these facility attributes were known prior to the Silverstein purchase in early 2001. Ol’ Lounge Lizard Larry made a killing with the double indemnity insurance deal he cut with the insurance ghouls, and the rest is just allot of fancy fairy dust…

ity
ity
Sep 14, 2020 8:59 AM

The mood seems to be changing out there. These last few days I’m getting a lot more hostile and aggressive stares from the masked. Also had my first case of someone trying to loudly shame me in a supermarket. It’s a worry… things are going to get ugly. The media has fired up the attack dogs.

These masked vigilantes are incapable of seeing what they are doing, or what they have done. They have condemned hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions, to be isolated in the UK. Where have all of those with medical exemptions from mask wearing gone? I don’t see them out anymore. These poor souls are afraid of confrontation, and have been terrified and chased out of public life. This is what the mask wearers have done. And they call us selfish? They think of themselves as the ones with empathy, but they are nothing but cunts. They are the new face of fascism. They are the foot soldiers.

Howard
Howard
Sep 14, 2020 1:07 PM
Reply to  ity

You have hit the nail squarely on the head: “afraid of confrontation….” That’s the whole secret in a nutshell. For the most part, we’re still in the early phase of the totalitarian regime – yet people are afraid to confront ordinary fellow citizens. And this is true not just for the lockdown madness; it’s true in general.

Part of it is just plain cowardice; but just as big a part is that over the decades we’ve been “taught” that people are unhinged maniacs who could go off at a moment’s notice. And if we in any way confront them, they might pull out a knife or gun or club and kill us.

It isn’t all that much of a leap from regarding others as possible maniacs to regarding them as biohazards.

ity
ity
Sep 14, 2020 2:32 PM
Reply to  ity

I’d like to add a note of optimism to my above post. As well as getting glares, I also get signs of solidarity from people, especially from some serving in shops. Any overt shows of friendliness and acceptance can go a long way these days.

So a big hug to all shop staff who continue to behave in a human and humane manner. It means a lot.

LKing
LKing
Sep 14, 2020 6:48 PM
Reply to  ity

Hi ity, just wanted to send a word of support. I’m someone who wears a mask only when required, and I feel so much love and solidarity with the people who wear masks with defiant statements on them, or wear their masks below their noses (I do this sometimes) or, below their chins, or who go completely maskless. I’m working on different small ways to resist. The one time I was in the UK, everyone seemed so much more comfortable with themselves and so in your face ‘real’ and cynical, individualistic etc. as compared to people where I live, it surprises me to hear of them letting itself get carried away in this.

ity
ity
Sep 17, 2020 11:11 AM
Reply to  LKing

Hi LKing. My heart goes out to those living under lock-downs harsher than those in the UK. Australia and NZ and France and Spain all sound quite horrific. I’ve not yet faced arrest or a financial fine for my small, token acts of rebellion here in England. I feel that I should be doing more, but am slightly paralysed at the moment. Trying to get myself together. I’m not ready for all this shit. Should have been preparing for years, but no…

Kalen
Kalen
Sep 14, 2020 4:40 AM

As I repeated many times Nazi totalitarian state of terror was in major part founded and “justified” by medical reasons supposedly to save lives and producing healthy generations free from all diseases as a part of policies of national security of strong and healthy defense forces.

High es Helen of NSDAP leaders were medical doctors and scientists who shaped 100% of German internal social policies.

Under such policies In large part Jews were directly attacked not as much along lines of a political threat of Jews Zionist conspiracy to destroy German nation as it did not resonate well among Germans, but along lines of violation politicized norms of hygiene, accused of proliferating genetic diseases resulting in physical weakness lack of inherent immunity and mental retardation among German Jews and mix race children and hence exposing German people to communicable diseases which cost lives and money.

Nazis usurped power under clear mantra of defending German lives from whatever threat, of western imperialism, dirty Jews or dirty Non Jewish communists or dirty gays, of Gypsies supposedly Infesting minds and bodies of Arian people of Nordic type.

it was all scientific and medically backed by world leading German and non German scientists and worldwide public health authorities in medicine, infectious diseases and genetics.

As it was convenient Hitler listened to science when he implemented mass quarantines in concentration camps, Mass lockdowns in affected areas, race based mass social distancing, health passes, contact tracing and medical IDs.

True. Nazi Germany was once one of Healthiest country on earth and one most inhumane.

fascism is here.

George McFetridge
George McFetridge
Sep 14, 2020 4:21 PM
Reply to  Kalen

There’s more to it. Consider the computer takeover’s making the human being increasingly obsolete since the 1980s.

Roberto
Roberto
Sep 15, 2020 3:26 PM
Reply to  Kalen

Political and scientific solutions to the problem of genetic deficiency were popularised by the Fabian Society and practiced throughout the world. Fittingly, their early coat of arms, later abandoned, was a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
The rationale was that if you could successfully breed animals and plants as has been done throughout history in an effort to accelerate positive evolutionary outcomes, why not try it on humans? The science made sense to a lot of scientists and governments until recent decades, then disparaged and finally abandoned as state policy.

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Voxi Pop
Sep 14, 2020 3:06 AM

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Happy Clapper Slave
Happy Clapper Slave
Sep 14, 2020 12:31 AM

re-posting from another commenter on this site, please share ASAP

They are considering mass vaccination on an unprecedented scale of unlicensed vaccines. The reason they are unlicensed is that they haven’t been sufficiently tested. For all they know, they could give everyone cancer, or the equivalent effects of thalidomide.

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/distributing-vaccines-and-treatments-for-covid-19-and-flu/consultation-document-changes-to-human-medicine-regulations-to-support-the-rollout-of-covid-19-vaccines

The consultation period ends on Friday 18 September 2020, and is open to anyone though effectively unpublished and buried. It is most certainly bad news, and deserves massive publicity and critical response.

https://consultations.dhsc.gov.uk/5f43b8aca0980b6fc0198f9f

Roberto
Roberto
Sep 13, 2020 11:36 PM

It’s enough to make everyone a conservative, who respects the rights of the individual. Many people, propagandised by local and state governments of a leftist persuasion, comply with this insanity without even reading the cold numbers on the government’s own websites, which refute the basis for this authoritarian nonsense. Don’t vote for them while we’re still allowed to vote! They are your enemy, and they and their minions can spot you if you’re wearing a yellow star, er, sorry, not wearing a mask. People who do actually take the brief time necessary to educate themselves about such matters are the ones in the street, unmasked (unless of course, universal masking has been mandated).
Surprising too is that the police are overwhelmingly supporting this campaign (but many are not!); that may be related to ‘just following orders’, orders issued by those who love power who also just follow orders. Unfortunately they are oblivious to the lessons of history – the useful idiots are the ones to be sacrificed once their assignments have been completed and they are replaced by stooges even more compliant than they were. Just as the intellectuals and the union leaders and the ‘educators’ think they have achieved their dreams in support of the policies of collectivism, they very soon become redundant, in the old days, usually violently.
Interesting is that the 911 Memorial Service has been suspended in recognition of the corona ‘crisis’, a literal passing of the torch to continue the oppression against citizens. Also interesting is that the Memorial Service weakly mimicked Speer’s Cathedral of Light for the Nuremberg rallies, something I have never seen commented on in any ‘news’ program, analysis, or even in forums.

Kiwijoker
Kiwijoker
Sep 14, 2020 2:03 AM
Reply to  Roberto

If you’ve left you’re right and if you’re right you’ve left.

.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Sep 17, 2020 1:58 AM
Reply to  Kiwijoker

Out of curiosity – does your pet Kea have a name? How are things going over the ditch at the moment? Don’t know much about what’s happening back in New Zealand, but it looks like Labour will win the election.
Do you know much about Billy Te Kahika and his party? I see there were last protests there last weekend.
Am Originally from Invercargill but lived in Christchurch for almost 7 years before moving to Aussie.

Karma Kommando
Karma Kommando
Sep 15, 2020 1:18 AM
Reply to  Roberto

Conservative, repects the right of the individual. Interesting recent development. Some of course do………..

Roberto
Roberto
Sep 19, 2020 4:32 AM
Reply to  Karma Kommando

It’s the basis of conservatism. The other side thinks in terms of groups, or classes, and enforced ‘equality’. The collective matters, not the individual.

John the First
John the First
Sep 13, 2020 10:21 PM
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hope
hope
Sep 13, 2020 8:07 PM

Here I have some comments about bio-terrorism. I do not deny it exists and that there is a definite attempt to develop and use it on populations. But whereas chemical weapons are indeed extremely harmful, possibly because the basic chemical assumptions they are based on are to some extent reasonable (i.e. not totally at odds with reality), Im not sure to what extent this is the case with bio-weapons. I mean those based on the contagious external virus theory, given this theory awaitd confirmation, may be so at odds with the reality of diseases that they at least when they externally unleash viruses this largely fails.
I mean I have no idea whether there was now an attempt to create a pandemic through that means. And unless there is a whistleblower who one day reveals things, we will never know. So at the moment I dont want to go down that path
because if you look at the numbers of morbidity and mortality then it has failed, either totally or very largely.

However indeed a vaccine could be an effective bioweapon:
in fact its very interesting because mainly the experiments to prove a disease is due to a virus, they inject animals with what they claim to have isolated as the virus. Now thats not how in real life anyone would catch a virus (that is assuming the thesis of external contagious viruses)… However indeed by injecting there may be a possibility to impair our internal terrain to a point where a large number of individuals would succumb.

Given that may be the case, certainly its another reason to stay away from vaccines:
basically they increasingly contain stuff from animals. Now by bringing about a species jump, especially at a genetic level, is extremely dangerous (e.g. GMOs): its not for nothing that nature in billions of years has made sure species remain distinctive.
When I say dangerous, I mean dangerous for us, not for nature: nature would simply eliminate a species that was so stupid and conceited that it decided it could transcend its principles simply because for a few decades of some apparent little limited achievements, some (pseudo)-scientists had thought they could disregard nature, of which they and all of us are an integral part.

hope
hope
Sep 13, 2020 9:17 PM
Reply to  hope

I would here like to add that it does not matter if someone believes there has been a bioweapon, if someone doesnt, or whatever. One thing I am noticing more and more and since this summer is that those of us who simply want to bring back a humane world are getting divided.

Because here what we are all facing in so many countries is not an external enemy. Thats much easier.

What we are facing is what the French resistance faced: an internal State that is collaborating with external forces (then Nazi Germany, now the globalized corporates: yes there is proof, bona fide proof) with the support or at least silence of the majority, many of whom are also acting against us, as they did then against the resistance.

This demands that we remain united. We all come from widely different backgrounds, our characters are widely different, and our motivations are widely different, so is our understanding of the situation. But for the moment, there is one urgent goal: to stop this dehumanization and bring back a world where man is free to simply live in the minimal conditions necessary for human life. And we should just focus on that.

We should not mistake one other for the enemy. Unfortunately comments sections in certain places reveal this division. So does the way some of the known figures with the same immediate goal are actually incapable of uniting because they are incessantly highlighting the differences between them. Also my personal experience since this summer unfortunately corroborates this. I first lost the one person I was then collaborating with actively, simply because I had said that we needed to trust one other fully for this extent of collaboration. His reaction was, never contact me again. It was incredible.
The same happened to me again: someone wishing to collaborate, because I said the measures were worsening in many countries, and thus taking account of that and trying to understand why, we would sure be able to be successful. He said our views were so diametrically opposed, that he too did not wish to discuss anymore…

Again if these two read OffG comments as I believe they do, I wish to tell them please do not confuse who it is that you should be against. Like with the French resistance in those days, faced with more and more repression, we truly need to be together, united, and trusting one other: trust means rapid friendship, possibly not lifelong friendships, but just like a wide variety of peoples became friends for the duration of the fight” for without that friendship there cannot be trust, we must also emulate them. Then once things begin to return to some normalcy, if these friendships dont hold on, so be it. Many resistance fighters became distant afterwards.

By fighting between us, we’re only weakening a comrade. Is that our aim? To further weaken one other? Arent we already all suffering? Arent some of us already taking sufficient risks?

The good side is that a former academic colleague, whose values Id always respected, the kindest of persons, and also the best of mathematicians, who had written to me a pro-covid narrative, and to whom I had frankly replied, today wrote back saying he too had been always flabbergasted about the misuse of maths, and that in epidemiology it was indeed particularly pronounced, and basically came to see my arguments as reasonable, and change his own former position… And said to give him the time to finish his current
maths article, and then within 2 weeks we will have thorough discussion. Im very glad.

hope
hope
Sep 14, 2020 8:57 AM
Reply to  hope

Trust: what I mean by trust is that when we are acting under our real identity, that those we are either discussing with freely, and even more so those we may actually be involved with by doing something more actively, are not going to inform on us to the authorities, the police, or in any way attempt to harm us.
And we are a diverse group and we are meeting people we would never have otherwise met, and whom we know nothing about. Hence there is a need of some amount of immediate “camaraderie”, so you know who they are, what they have to some extent done in earlier life. At the very least this means disclosing your full real identity. Just seeing the person in real life is no guarantee of anything. Somehow some dont seem to understand this. And one person got truly upset because I wanted to know his real name and who he really is since we had actively collaborated to bring the true information about events to the public. I must admit I had forgotten basic prudence because of the isolation during the severe lockdown where I am and I woke up after I realised that the number he used to talk from when he phoned was a fake number (it looks like a real one, but you cant ring back on it) and the name he’d given and the profession he claimed was his should have made this name appear in a certain national registry, but its not there…
Given my phone became tapped, my email account hacked, and my former uni wrote to say my personal data had been stolen (I didnt even know they held extensive personal data), I guess it was not too much to ask for some guarantee I could trust him… Thats when he got upset… It was to say the least very disconcerting.

martin
martin
Sep 14, 2020 10:55 AM
Reply to  hope

Do you think partisan warfare is a good thing? Or that the general population should welcome it and join in? That the rules of war could be ignored in this special case? The French Resistance, whatever their personal bravery, were state terrorists – an attempt by the allied powers to instigate total war, like behind the lines of the Eastern Front. The aim was to provoke murderous retaliation, and not let the locals settle down to life under new rulers in the time honoured way (at least since the Middle Ages). The rules of war were drawn up to protect the local inhabitants.

Perhaps it was just a bad analogy, but this kind of exceptionalism grates.

hope
hope
Sep 14, 2020 7:17 PM
Reply to  martin

I think its rarely happened in recent times that people have had to resist their own State and have the majority of the population against them. In South Africa, one may say that except for some exceptions, the issue was racial. Hence you may to resist is somewhat easier even if its internal to the country.

So if I take your point: you are supporting the Vichy State of Collaboration with the Nazis. And you are using their appellation of the resistance as terrorists. In that case, Im sorry but I will have to differ. So you agree to the terminology of today’s States that those who are trying to bring back a human life and understand the narrative is wrong are extremists, Nazis, dumb, selfish, Extreme-Right? They have not so far used to term terrorist, possibly because its already in use, and that might actually be far fetched to identify
us with Islamist extremist.

Nelson Mandela and the other South African freedom fighters were also labelled terrorists.

Or are you only objecting to the fact that violence had to be used?

One point to keep in mind is when a minority is truly trying to restore humanity, they usually keep violence at a minimum. About South Africa, Mandela has written about that. Now there always are elements who out of revenge and anger cannot always be controlled. When your own kith and kin, your friends, or just humans are being beaten up or killed, its not easy to control your anger. Few can be Gandhis. But the intention on the whole is to kill minimally, mainly to perpetrate damage to infrastructure and goods.

Hopefully, it wont have to come to that.

As for France in the early 40s. The rise of Nazism was made possible by what historian/economist Preparata calls Club England, together with corporate America. And indeed some tried to stop it at that stage, but they were unsuccessful. I am here talking of France, once Nazi Germany attacked France and the Vichy government took power, so in your opinion, all French
should have simply accepted the utter terrorist state (in your opinion a State cannot be terrorist, but whoever the State labels as terrorist is a terrorist?
So I guess Pinochet’s dissenters too were terrorists?) and lived under the then repression implemented, accepted that Jews were killed and anyone who voiced anti-Nazi opinions?

Evidently one should remain pacific, and civil disobedience need not carry violence. Until today that is what the current resistance movements in respective countries are trying to do.

Lets hope we can get through without violence, but without accepting to live a life that is dehumanized, under grotesque totalitarian measures: if we accept, we’re sure to become dehumanized and to suffer from severe psychological problems, and then physical ones. With millions, if not slowly billions hardly able to make ends meet.

martin
martin
Sep 15, 2020 4:08 AM
Reply to  hope

I understand your points and thank you for the response. I knew a woman who did work for the East Timor resistance, probably at great risk. I didn’t know she was involved at the time. After independence she told me it wasn’t that they cared if Indonesia ruled the country, it was that the Indonesian army were killing their families. Years later I recognised her voice on the radio and she spoke more about it.

I am deeply disillusioned about WW2, I doubt the above situation applied in Vichi France or even in the occupied territories. I suppose I am influenced by Irene Nemirovski.  John Wear writes well on partisan war.  I doubt the French Resistance were doing much more than provoking atrocity, at the behest of London and the Communist party.  I read they did a lot of reprisals after the war.

The Zionists and the ‘Club’ sacrificed ordinary European Jewish people (not to forget everyone else) in the cause of war, in the grand scheme this was terrorism. Atrocity provoked (or faked in the modern way) to manipulate the course of history. My sympathy and trust lies with ordinary people, let calm prevail, it may take a while.  We need more qualified people to stand up.

As for S Africa I just wish Australia would extend a welcome to the farmers, they owe them that after the Boer War.

John the First
John the First
Sep 13, 2020 10:07 PM
Reply to  hope

“nature would simply eliminate a species that was so stupid and conceited”

” of which they and all of us are an integral part”

Are you saying that nature keeps check of our conceitedness, and, as humans have been transcending above nature for thousand of years partly, nature takes revenge when she thinks the conceit has grown too big? She would eliminate us? Like hey, you vain creatures, dig this, and then she gives us the final blow? I know that according to some religious texts, god has done this at some point, but now according to you nature keeps track of human conceit? So revengeful Nature took the place of the theist revengeful God?

Even more, nature created a species which it actually partly has not equipped as it has equipped its other species. It has created a species of which it takes as long as about sixteen years of very intensive care before any of it is individual members can take care of themselves. It has created a creature without a type of skin which is sufficient to protect him, a creature which has to make shoes and clothing in order to survive, unlike all the other creatures. It also has created a creature with capacities which are not present in animals, or only rudimentary present. It has partly left this creature to his own devices, dependent on his own reflections, product of the human capacity of self-awareness. But when this creature being the only one capable of self-reflection, dependent on it partially, reflects on its position, when its reflective imagination grows wild and out of bounds, nature punishes this species by eliminating it?

Kiwijoker
Kiwijoker
Sep 13, 2020 10:55 PM
Reply to  John the First

This is exactly how the Unicorn became extinct.

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John the First
John the First
Sep 14, 2020 3:03 AM
Reply to  Kiwijoker

The Unicorns found nature to be too limited, so they eliminated it by migrating to another planet.

Happy Clapper Slave
Happy Clapper Slave
Sep 14, 2020 12:40 AM
Reply to  John the First

Obviously what you are desrcribing is not a natural terrestrial creature but some kind of mutant ape with alien genes.
Nature does not punish, that’s the false Abrahamic narrative. Nature corrects and repairs itself. Evolutionary errors or mutations that can cause serious damage are removed sooner or later. This is also why viruses do not end up completely eliminating life on the planet.

John the First
John the First
Sep 14, 2020 2:17 AM

“mutant ape with alien genes”

What a charming and lofty description…

hope
hope
Sep 14, 2020 8:32 AM

Exactly, life will continue. Its beyond a human timescale to even think how long. Still one day our planet will no longer have life: we’re according to our scientific understanding, half way through (since so is the sun).

But life is larger than just human life. If we destroy the conditions for human life, we will be no more. The most extreme scenario would be a widespread nuclear warfare. But life will continue: cockroaches are known to be able to live in the conditions that such a warfare will bring about. And then slowly other new forms of life capable of living in the conditions we’d have created would slowly emerge, and possibly those conditions will be slowly altered.

The fact is all species not just adapt to the conditions of the nature of which they are part of, but each actually changes those conditions: living means impacting on those conditions. So its a dual process, and a species can only continue as long as the conditions remain appropriate for it (whether the changes are its doing or not), as long as it can adapt to them. Humans depend much more on a very complex equilibrium that includes all living organisms and the abiotic sphere. We are highly adaptable, but the range of conditions under which we can live is very limited (just take temperature: our body temperature has to remain within a very narrow range for us to live).

Toby Russell
Toby Russell
Sep 14, 2020 6:21 AM
Reply to  John the First

You’re taking a phrase that personifies nature – likely written in haste – to be the meat and potatoes of hope’s comment, when in fact it is not, in its phrasing, pivotal to what hope is saying. But while yours is an important question, it is misleading, I feel, in this case, perhaps even disingenuous, as it goes entirely against the spirit of hope’s comment. The devil is in the detail, we all know that, but that goes two ways. I.e., detail can be used to divide and stymie where progress would otherwise be possible.

As you say, humans, and everything else, are part of nature. A question then emerges: What is nature? Is it intelligent? Does it have intent? These questions are not at all easy to answer, probably impossible, especially as we can either proceed from the tenets of materialism, in which case ‘intelligence’ and ‘intent’ are logically impossible as a duo and the whole discussion dissolves, or we proceed from some other paradigm, as yet unfinished, and get perhaps a little further, but only a very little.

In other words, the line of inquiry you highlight is superfluous to hope’s point, namely that division is counterproductive to the very important goal of ending tyranny. As I understood it, hope is saying that as nature evolves, imbalances occur for various reasons, and nature corrects as part of its broader functioning. A wise, non-hubristic approach to existence, to nature, would be to bear this in mind.

For my part, I’m with hope.

hope
hope
Sep 14, 2020 8:12 AM
Reply to  Toby Russell

Thank you Toby, indeed I didnt mean nature is consciously going to do anything. One doesnt pay the same attention to comments one writes under pseudonyms as to articles and books one signs with one’s real name. As I said in my reply to John, if the conditions for human life are changed (by us notably) to ones that are not congenial for human life, we will perish.

John the First
John the First
Sep 14, 2020 1:47 PM
Reply to  Toby Russell

“You’re taking a phrase that personifies nature – likely written in haste – to be the meat and potatoes of hope’s comment”

I am not taking it to be the meat and potatoes, I am taking what is a grand claim, or perhaps a grand suggestion, which is too grand to just ignore. It is not a small thing to state that nature will eliminate humans because of conceit. It appears actually of a religious character.
What I did is to take that claim, a rant on human conceit, and mock on it, so that by stressing its absurdity, we have that out of the way.

The below claim, made later, is of a logical character.

“If we destroy the conditions for human life, we will be no more.”

Theobalt
Theobalt
Sep 14, 2020 8:53 PM
Reply to  Toby Russell

: What is nature? Is it intelligent? Does it have intent? These questions are not at all easy to answer, probably impossible, especially as we can either proceed from the tenets of materialism, in which case ‘intelligence’ and ‘intent’ are logically impossible as a duo and the whole discussion dissolves, or we proceed from some other paradigm, as yet unfinished, and get perhaps a little further, but only a very little….
Fun!
I think intent, is a reflexion of nature within us… it’s a word. And it describes or resembles what nature seems to be doing, it’s directions. Like a proper boner.. which sometimes generates intent. I’m not really kidding, if we underestimate the urge to procreate, nature has news for us. I chose to try to transfer that energy with some success… we got oil out of the ground. We created a situation where extra energy delivered fast changed the course, the curve. The curve of population growth too, exponentially… what next?

hope
hope
Sep 14, 2020 7:09 AM
Reply to  John the First

Do you really take me for such a fool? The natural conditions necessary for human life are within a very narrow range. And hence if we either change those conditions so they no longer are compatible with human life, in particular our own biological conditions, then we will certainly perish. Possibly you have heard of pollution. We can also make our bodies, including our brain, something that is incompatible with external conditions.

As for transcending nature, Im unsure how you can transcend what we are part of?! You seem to repeat the old dogmas which luckily real scientists have got over at least since quantum mechanics.

John the First
John the First
Sep 14, 2020 3:43 PM
Reply to  hope

The claim was too grand and rash to overlook, an invitation to mockery. Now we have that out of the way..

As for transcending, transcending can be relative and temporary, human society in terms of its cultural values and its achievements in the area of technology,architecture, art, its body of knowledge is an expression of relative transcending. As I stated before, humanity is partly left to his own devices by nature, in terms of an insufficient physical equipment, on the other hand humanity through its capacity of reflection both on itself and on nature is destined to live with one foot outside of nature. Humanity is per definition a nature transcending species.

As Oscar Wilde stated, ‘nature hates mind’. Nature is an automaton, highly complex and impressive, but nevertheless an automaton. The human mind seeks freedom, it seeks to rise above the blindly automatic automaton, the automic then becomes usefull rather than a tyrannical force. So the human mind throughout the whole of human evolution constantly tries to free itself partially from this automaton. Of which then ultimately the wisest approach would be to make use of it as an intelligent automaton on which it still fundamentally depends.

The human mind has even reached the point where it can destroy the automaton called nature in terms of organic life (through the unleashing of nuclear power). It would likely be possible to wipe out all organic life, leaving the Earth permanently as a sphere of mere rock material. If anything is symbolic of transcending ones master, the automaton called nature, it is that. Whether such a violent act of destroying its organic life means to destroy humans as a species, as far as it is ‘transcending mind’, is the question for which there is no definite answer. At any rate it is not nature ‘eliminating’ humans as a species, but humans being capable of eliminating its master, which is as said symbolic of transcendence. Aside of such a collective act which eliminates at least physical existence collectively, individual suicide is also an act of transcendence, and so there are also a thousand of more positive examples how humans partially transcend nature daily.

John the First
John the First
Sep 14, 2020 4:06 PM
Reply to  John the First

Or to summarize:

Humans are a species constantly being confronted with the choice to live with nature where nature is intelligent and benevolent, according to human needs (physical dependencies on nature), and to live according to the values and needs which are the product of human mind, to transcend nature where nature is a force of tyranny opposed to mind, or at least not providing for those needs.

In addition then, in as far as humans have become capable of eliminating the influence of its master, they now, according to their own dependencies, values and body of knowledge which is the product of the capacity of reflection, have to assume responsibility for the creatures who are more dependent on nature. So that the human need for transcending the automaton does not lead to a situation of severe deprivation for other creatures who are more dependent on it.

If you are still not convinced of the capacity and need of humans to transcend nature, I suggest you go live in the woods, and sleep in a cave on the bare floor, without clothes and shoes. Without any tool, without art and culture, without any of the enjoyable products invented by mind.

Theobalt
Theobalt
Sep 14, 2020 8:58 PM
Reply to  John the First

, ‘nature hates mind’. …. nature led to mind

John the First
John the First
Sep 14, 2020 9:23 PM
Reply to  Theobalt

“, ‘nature hates mind’. …. nature led to mind”

This is the difference between the expressions of genius, and those of mediocrity. Go live in the woods in a cave with the rest of the nature people, and soon nature will have you working sweat, it’s creatures will continuously attack you, the weather and atmosphere might be benevolent at times, but mostly not, everything you build will be subject to continuous fast pace erosion, then there is the capriciousness of the weather. You will be engaged in the burden of fighting for your life and means of living most of the time, most of your efforts and energy will be directed at mere survival. Nature if not opposed to everything which allows you to express mind, it doesn’t lend a single hand to it.

Theobalt
Theobalt
Sep 14, 2020 10:49 PM
Reply to  John the First

I don’t know what you think led to mind but it’s possible that yours just popped out of nowhere… and why do you insist Oscar was a genius… He told you? (I heard he was telling a few people)… don’t get me wrong, I’ve been entertained, but I don’t appreciate being called a caveman if I criticize the philosophies of a novelist… And what possessed you to ship me into the woods, I’m not getting out of my Mercedes thank you…

John the First
John the First
Sep 14, 2020 11:30 PM
Reply to  Theobalt

I’d rather not depart from gossip nor authority when valuing expressions. I didn’t call you a caveman, didn’t mean to suggest that too, but suggested, that as an experiment you go live in a cage in order to experience whether the primary condition created by nature wil be beneficial to development of mind (culture).

Perhaps you are right, that nature led to development of mind, that is, by doing its best to counter it, thereby enforcing development.

John the First
John the First
Sep 14, 2020 11:36 PM
Reply to  John the First

One could for instance imagine that if nature would be wholly pleasurable, the weather and atmospheric conditions being pleasant, providing for comfortable beds and pathways, no bugs which bite, no cold which is unpleasant, crops never fail, etc. etc, the human mind could have remained indolent, not having enough incentives to be active.

Thus, finally I agree that ‘nature led to mind’…

John the First
John the First
Sep 14, 2020 11:36 PM
Reply to  Theobalt

One could for instance imagine that if nature would be wholly pleasurable, the weather and atmospheric conditions being pleasant, providing for comfortable beds and pathways, no bugs which bite, no cold which is unpleasant, crops never fail, etc. etc, the human mind could have remained indolent, not having enough incentives to be active.
Thus, finally I agree that ‘nature led to mind’…

John the First
John the First
Sep 14, 2020 11:49 PM
Reply to  Theobalt

Regarding ‘I heard he was telling a few people’, it is typical of real genius (not the genius assigned by people, as that is mere concensus of mediocrity) that they know their own value. This self knowledge seems to be a sort of compensation for the fact that per definition 99.9 percent of their contemporaries will be unappreciative of their capacities, to say the least… It seems a fair compensation, they need it in order to maintain themselves under the enormous pressure of collective mediocrity. One should empathetically not mind about it if they boast a bit about it, which is nothing ridiculous compared to the blunt self-assertion of armies of fools, and at the other hand, the tendency to cut of the head of every man who raises his head by the collective.

John the First
John the First
Sep 14, 2020 4:23 PM
Reply to  hope

As of the other creatures which are dependent on nature, the last thing has not been said of their capacity of transcending nature. Cats and dogs for instance, when domesticated seem to benefit from a nature transcending environment. Not being wholly subjugated to nature as wild animals are, or as they would be when living in nature, they appear to demonstrate higher emotional and mental capacities (the latter being the capacity of reflection), they can learn and be disciplined. They can demonstrate a certain level of emotional and mental intelligence, rise above the machinations of nature. They can for instance delay the instinct of hunger in favor of something which is taught to them, so they demonstrate a certain level of mental control. They can be disciplined in many ways. They can become picky, develop their own taste. Numerous examples can be given.

hope
hope
Sep 14, 2020 5:22 PM
Reply to  John the First

By nature I dont mean necessarily the material world. If one believes or is convinced that there is a greater consciousness or whatever something beyond the material world, then certainly by nature I am including that. Personally I dont agree with the mind-body duality, nor am I a materialist.
But Im fine with any views, as long as one is quite clear that its an assumption or at least not communicable knowledge. I also think that one can through meditation and other means of yoga possibly come to experience the beyond material. But its a personal realization.
Similarly Im quite happy that someone believes there is nothing beyond the material world. So in scientific terms all must remain assumptions as
whatever one may be convinced of, even experienced, is not communicable and beyond observation.

In the way I see it, we are fully part of nature/reality. Whatever it is. We cant go beyond it. But the assumption we make is critical as our worldview, and in particular the science we get depends on it.

John the First
John the First
Sep 14, 2020 6:19 PM
Reply to  hope

“”I also think that one can through meditation and other means of yoga possibly come to experience the beyond material.”

You entertain a specific compartmental idea of matter and mind, the one which is derived from Eastern spirituality. Human emotion and thought as a whole though can be considered to be ‘beyond’ matter, unless you want to see emotion and thought as merely chemical products of the brain (nature). The latter appears not to be your view, as you invoke Eastern spirituality. Though you limit mind to have something to do with ‘yoga and meditation’, which is a narrow compartmentalization. Any expression which is born out of the faculty of emotion or thought (also those of animals) are not part of nature. Nature does not feel, and nature does not think, it is a highly complex automaton for all we know. A highly complex (intelligently designed, mind being its cause?) automaton nurturing creatures which are physically dependent on it.

If you then include mind to belong to the domain of nature, then nature extends its power over the whole domain of human (and animal) expressions, then nature becomes all powerful, it decides everything, nothing is outside of it, then we do not feel, but nature feels, and nature thinks, and so nothing can be said to be unnatural. Even human conceit then becomes a product of nature itself.
But this inclusion seems to be based upon your compartmentalized idea that spirit or mind can only be experienced and find expression through some kind spiritual practices. This also leads to the logic that outside of these specific practices and experiences, everything else is physical automaton. I.o.w. the logic of that is that people who do not engage in meditation and such specific experiences are pure automatons, wholly subject to physical laws. And then, apparently, somehow that automaton out of its own will, in a moment of freedom, not being subject to automatic laws of matter becomes temporarily free of it through meditation?

Thus, your own limiting view on what consists of transcending nature, (‘spiritual’ experiences), the limitations on transcending makes that what you address as negative and destructive (human vanity, conceit, etc), that which might lead to self-elimination of a species to be nature itself eliminating part of itself through its own ‘conceit’.

John the First
John the First
Sep 14, 2020 6:38 PM
Reply to  hope

You write that your are fine with a variety of views. I would want to stress though that the view which you entertain is based upon some Eastern religious-spiritual heritage, which severely limits the conception of what mind is, and what its nature transcending products are.

The most broadest definition of what are the products of mind starting a transcending of nature would include even such ‘elementary’ things as basic tools for survival developed by humans, shoes and clothing, agriculture, religion, philosophy, art, from that, the whole way up to the cultural products of modern society and modern science.

Hence, it appears that this severe limitation which you put on what constitutes mind and transcendence lead to a misunderstanding of what I see as consisting of ‘transcending nature’.

John the First
John the First
Sep 14, 2020 7:08 PM
Reply to  hope

“I also think that one can through meditation and other means of yoga possibly come to experience the beyond material.”

“In the way I see it, we are fully part of nature/reality.”

I sincerely hope we are part of reality, haha.
Anyway, you are saying that there might be a posibility to have experiences beyond the known physical world. But then you say we are ‘fully’ part of nature. So it seems that you hold some kind of conceptual idea that nature has a mind or something? That it might be possible to experience nature solely as mind, experience of the mind of nature?

You simply extend nature to every domain. But we know nature as it is, still partially though, through thousands of years of collective experience, and collective investigation (of which the product is science, as a body of knowledge). We have assigned the name ‘nature’ to it in that way. And we refer to it that way through consensus of collective experience.
When you extend nature into the realm of what are currently relatively rare subjective experiences, you engage in extremely wild speculation. Let us know about some experiences and laws governing that nature which is experienced when you meditate. Then we can compare them with the particular collection of laws and experiences which we call nature. Perhaps the laws and experiences are much the same, so the realm is merely an extension of nature as we know it, perhaps the laws and experiences are so different that we would call it ‘supernatural’?

hope
hope
Sep 14, 2020 7:17 AM
Reply to  John the First

I should also add that science is powerful because it recognizes its limitations,
and incessantly doubts its own sayings, because it recognizes it cannot know any ultimate truths. These built-in characteristics of science are distinctive to this form of knowledge.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 14, 2020 11:47 AM
Reply to  hope

None of this Covid business is about health or nature. It’s a trojan horse for political and economic control.

Coronaviruses are not very dangerous.
This is an ingenious ruling class led coup on humanity. The video below is of an interview with a journalist in 2014 who discusses the ruling class’ plans to use ebola to control us – as is happening now:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=a6PB5DuG_us

Howard
Howard
Sep 14, 2020 1:16 PM
Reply to  John the First

Bear in mind that the species itself is also part of Nature. And it’s concoctions affect the natural world. And inevitably a point is reached where the blowback from its attempts to control Nature begin to affect the species itself. And if the blowback becomes great enough, the species risks self extinction.

So it isn’t Nature tallying each species’ activities; rather, it’s the cumulative effect of those activities.

John the First
John the First
Sep 14, 2020 8:37 PM
Reply to  Howard

Seems true in general.

But why are we constantly talking in terms of ‘blowbacks, ” elimination’ and ‘extinction’. The position of the so called human species has from the beginning been the position that it must affect the given natural word in order to create an environment which facilitates its needs as far as nature has not taken care of that.
There are many positive things to say about that, could it be that the fear mongering of human climate change theory is caused by and promotes such a negative psychology?

Howard
Howard
Sep 14, 2020 9:59 PM
Reply to  John the First

Three of my all time favorite documentaries – Koyaanisqatsi, Powaqqatsi, and Baraka (all three from the 1980s) – show clips of enormous machines extracting entire pieces of ground; plus explosions decimating mountainsides.

And these machines were from thirty years ago. Just imagine the kind of damage humans can do to the Earth today. So it is not at all hyperbole to speak of “blowback” etc. Nor is it necessarily fear mongering to speak of human climate change.

Bottom line: there is no stopping us. We have the capacity to extract every last scrap of ore, metal, lumber and any other resource we want. How can there possibly not be repercussions?

John the First
John the First
Sep 14, 2020 10:37 PM
Reply to  Howard

You are still only talking in terms of ‘damage’ (originally this thread has only mentioned human impact in negative terms).

Humanity has populated a great deal of the Earth, building cities and villages, railroads and highways, even canals have been dug. At what point do your start to talk about ‘damage’, what criteria are you handling? That is the point where ‘stopping’ starts to come into the picture. Although aside of ‘stopping’ there can also be adapting or changing the ways.

But this is a rather complex issue, there is the perspective from ourselves in the sense that while we create environments to live, we start to suffer from the artificiality and lack of nature, there is the perspective of being dependent on nature and its creatures, and the perspective of these creatures having a purpose in themselves.

martin
martin
Sep 15, 2020 6:07 AM
Reply to  John the First

Perhaps caveman is a strawman. First Nations appear to have transcended nature by managing it with care, leaving it as they found it. Australia was described as like a ‘gentleman’s park’, you could canter under the trees in the soft soil. It was assumed this was its natural state, unrelated to Aboriginal land practices. It was observed that the aboriginal expended little labour in order to survive. Bill Gammage ‘The Biggest Estate on Earth’.

This is the ‘Old World Order’. The New World Order started with the Stone Age. Flint production was industrial near Norfolk. Family descent is meaningless over a long time but the social and economic ideas behind it go on down.

John the First
John the First
Sep 15, 2020 8:38 AM
Reply to  martin

If you have the pleasure of an environment which takes little labour to survive, it doesn’t necessarily mean that you are transcending it. It depends on what how you spend the remainder of time and energy, you could just be ‘sensually vegetating’.

At any rate there might be something positive said about their way of doing things, and not doing things, it sounds charmingly attractive compared to our modern society which spends the utmost on survival, making things as difficult and complex as possible in any area of living.

Kiwijoker
Kiwijoker
Sep 13, 2020 11:03 PM
Reply to  hope

The vaccines are designed to give us Super Powers.

The real question is what coloured cape do you wear with that mask?
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YeahBut
YeahBut
Sep 14, 2020 4:14 AM
Reply to  hope

That’s an interesting perspective and I have seen it suggested that the Russian early announcement of a vaccine was to ward off any pressure that might arise to use a vaccine developed in the West. Various resource-rich nations that could lose from the green globalist agenda (Philippines, Brazil, Saudi Arabia, UAE) and India have expressed interest in testing the Russian vaccine. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/clinical-trial-of-sputnik-v-coronavirus-vaccine-to-begin-this-month-in-countries-including-india-rdif/articleshow/77980973.cms That’s not to recommend the Russian vaccine of course.

Lisa
Lisa
Sep 13, 2020 7:26 PM

So, the big state want mass surveillance using face recognition, but at the same time are telling people they must wear masks. ….. which will make face recognition technology impossible. Doesn’t make sense

Ort
Ort
Sep 13, 2020 9:20 PM
Reply to  Lisa

FYI, do a search for “face recognition technology masks”. You’ll find a mix of articles, ranging from reports that (as you suggest) masks have rendered the technology useless to claims that the technology has already been refined to enable recognition based on the remaining exposed facial features.

I’m not a fan, and I’m aware that this technology– like so many other state-of-the-art government “tools”– produces false positives even with non-masked faces. But my impression is that the authorities recognize that masks represent a setback or challenge to the technology, but assume that the technology will catch up soon enough.

May Hem
May Hem
Sep 13, 2020 10:58 PM
Reply to  Ort

They can use iris-scanning technology, so a mask is no barrier. I don’t know if wearing sunglasses can fool the cameras.

Rick Giombetti
Rick Giombetti
Sep 13, 2020 9:58 PM
Reply to  Lisa

The masks are temporary compliance training for mandatory vaccinations.

Kiwijoker
Kiwijoker
Sep 13, 2020 11:00 PM
Reply to  Rick Giombetti

The MASKS are MERCHANDISING

for a strange cult

who also spend millions selling children the deception that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are REAL.

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Rick Giombetti
Rick Giombetti
Sep 13, 2020 11:14 PM
Reply to  Kiwijoker

Yes, the mask mandates are also temporary grifts for people who do that in our huxter society. This is a side effect of the “Covid-19” fear propaganda campaign. But the primary force behind the “Covid-19” fear propaganda campaign is Pharma. Namely, Pharma’s desire to force everybody to take their patented vaccines at least once a year. That’s the finish line. The way we are going to be dragged to that finish line is to scare enough people into compliance. The masks help create an environment of fear and compliance.

Kiwijoker
Kiwijoker
Sep 13, 2020 11:49 PM
Reply to  Rick Giombetti

The finish line is:

NOBODY takes the vaccine:

because Unicorns aren’t real.

Except the one that lives in an ice-cave in the Southern Alps, just above Te Wahipounamu, that only can be seen during a full snowstorm.

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Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Sep 13, 2020 11:19 PM
Reply to  Lisa

For fuck sake
Plenty of details explaining the new facial recognition technology which can still measures your symmetricals

John the First
John the First
Sep 14, 2020 3:17 AM
Reply to  Lisa

The mask is not so important, it is merely a means to test obedience, imposed by a multitude of little dictators. It also aids in keeping the situation visible, lest people forget about it… continuing life as usual. As said, temporary compliance, not necessarily invented on the highest levels too. There are varying interests, and the small time dictatorial get a kick from imposing their will on others too.
The real important thing is the speeding up of the tech and control agenda. After vaccination, a mask will no longer be needed of course.
It might as well be that several groups now pushing masks will later on admit that on hindsight the whole thing was an error, or partially admit it, etc. They can always find excuses, and, the media can direct attention towards some other issue (create new sensations related to the corona thing and hype them), so it will be relatively quickly forgotten.

Theobalt
Theobalt
Sep 14, 2020 9:23 PM
Reply to  Lisa

They’ll stab us then tell us it’s safe to take off the mask

Voz 0db
Voz 0db
Sep 13, 2020 6:43 PM

By any means deemed necessary!

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Nonsuch
Nonsuch
Sep 13, 2020 7:20 PM
Reply to  Voz 0db

I just read, Tolkien had German ancestors and
was a “anti-communist, anti-national socialist”.
https://www.16personalities.com/articles/jrr-tolkien-creator-of-words-and-worlds-the-lord-of-the-rings-personality-series

Roberto
Roberto
Sep 13, 2020 10:23 PM
Reply to  Nonsuch

And?

Happy Clapper Slave
Happy Clapper Slave
Sep 14, 2020 12:43 AM
Reply to  Roberto

Mordor

Nonsuch
Nonsuch
Sep 14, 2020 2:40 AM
Reply to  Roberto

(If you need even more “entertainment”, just turn on your msm boobtube.)

Kiwijoker
Kiwijoker
Sep 14, 2020 2:07 AM
Reply to  Nonsuch

I just read, Everybody had ancestors from somewhere
who were anti-this and pro- that.

Makes you think about lime flavoured lemmingtons.

Nonsuch
Nonsuch
Sep 14, 2020 2:37 AM
Reply to  Kiwijoker

This attitude is called relativism.Probably the original sin of mankind.

John the First
John the First
Sep 14, 2020 3:28 AM
Reply to  Nonsuch

On the contrary, absolutism it its curse.

Kiwijoker
Kiwijoker
Sep 14, 2020 6:44 AM
Reply to  John the First

Relative absolutism has always been entertaining, especially when my Uncle drinks vodka on Christmas Day.

Nonsuch
Nonsuch
Sep 15, 2020 2:30 AM
Reply to  Kiwijoker

OT: Unfortunately, the Brits and “Amis” have let the beautiful ship come down completely, which now has to be restored for 40 million Euros. And which once Ralph McTell mentioned in his wonderful song. https://nypost.com/2016/08/25/fabled-peking-ship-leaving-nyc-after-40-years/

Nonsuch
Nonsuch
Sep 15, 2020 6:25 AM
Reply to  Nonsuch

Bonus track: As long as women don’t know that this song is in reality about a control addicted ex-wife, everything is fine for them.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 13, 2020 6:30 PM

Error source deleted.

John the First
John the First
Sep 14, 2020 3:31 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

It is censored only for you. It may contain vital information which will awaken you, which may cause you to unleash a revolution against evil.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Sep 13, 2020 5:14 PM

A review study of 43 hydroxychloroquine studies concludes that HCQ when used at the correct dose, at the correct time and in combination with zinc and other available drugs is irrefutably effective in ‘saving lives’. This discussion is from the Sky News Channel in Australia. The two journalists demand that those responsible for withholding the drug from Australian citizens, thereby contributing to the death toll, stand down immediately.

It would be very difficult to argue that Australia is the only country where people in charge need to be held accountable. It genuinely is a crime against humanity.

hope
hope
Sep 13, 2020 7:46 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Indeed Judy, here 500 French (pseudo)-scientists have made a legal case against Raoult for basically killing” people with a drug that they claimed has not been (pseudo)-scientifically tested. But he’s received the written support of 200 of the best scientists.

Its not the first time a scientist is put in that position by the so called (pseudo)-scientific community. This has happened in every single field of science in the last decades, mainly any field that is close to big profits. And they are all connected: I mean the same people make the profits each time. The (pseudo)-scientists they only get crumbs…
Somehow people appear to put a very low value on their self-worth to sell their souls so cheap!

YeahBut
YeahBut
Sep 14, 2020 4:33 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

People have remarked on the very high doses that were used in the major trials of hydroxychloroquine, doses that were well known to be toxic and potentially fatal, of what is by no means a new drug. https://www.globalresearch.ca/how-false-hydroxychloroquine-narrative-created/5717275

Paul
Paul
Sep 13, 2020 4:37 PM

I do wonder if anyone will be stupid enough to follow this rule of 6 people rubbish.

I will be completely ignoring it.

I will see my family and friends when I want and go where I want when I want.

If the police want to arrest me then they can show me the scientific evidence that seeing my family and friends or meeting in more than 6 people poses a risk to public health on the basis that I just might have Covid.

They can show me the Random Controlled Trials that have been carried out to determine this policy. I will expect to see the peer reviewed analysis.

Failure to do that and they can go and do one.

This ‘rule’ is not law as it has not passed through parliament and has absolutely zero evidence to support it.

It would be laughed out of court.

Kiwijoker
Kiwijoker
Sep 13, 2020 6:45 PM
Reply to  Paul

.

Bureaucratic Pseudo-Science

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Jim
Jim
Sep 13, 2020 4:23 PM

Luckily we have these guys that are watching over us and granting us the commonpass:

CommonPass framework for safe and secure border crossing

Grafter
Grafter
Sep 13, 2020 5:20 PM
Reply to  Jim

Totalitarian and sinister. “Safe” from a virus which doesn’t harm 98% of the population. The publicly funded health “professionals” featured in this video are similar to the enablers who assisted a Dr J. Mengele in his lab. They are delusional psychotically ill people. When you hear Rockefeller and the WEF mentioned its enough to tell one that this vile scheme must be resisted at all cost.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 13, 2020 2:51 PM

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Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 13, 2020 1:58 PM

There is no arguing with Millenarians. They undermine the masses’ ability to resist, leaving them vulnerable, as were the French and Russians during their revolutions, to men claiming to speak in the name of science, illuminated with knowledge of the ways of the future.

The cryptocrats and their technocratic hangers-on have chosen, with perfect timing, a once-in-a-thousand years opportunity to push through their corporatist dream when the population is least equipped to resist it.

As John Gray argues, there are parallels with Bolshevik Russia, but even greater parallels with those outbreaks of “medieval” millenarianism that undermine the sanity of whole continents.

The elders led the young to this point: as in Tsarist Russia, the combination of progressive parents who rejected everything the ancien régime stood for — and an boom in education that pushed a much-increased generation of young through the doors of radicalised universities and into a world that did not have jobs for them — unleashed the tragedy and farce chronicled by Dostoevsky’s Demons (1871).

The current convulsion is an outbreak more closely akin to the anarchical millenarians movements that raged across Europe in the late Middle Ages, whose vision of redemption from history was shared by America’s founders, who carried it with them to the New World…

The history of the medieval millenarians illustrates this process. They were antinomians, heretical believers who anathematised the Church and considered themselves released by divine grace from any moral restraints. While asserting their superior virtue, their signature practice was self-flagellation. Forgiveness — whether of themselves other others — was notably absent…

For Norman Cohn, the study of medieval millenarians was an essential part of understanding modern totalitarianism… nothing needs to be done to bring about a new world apart from destroying the old one.

John Gray, https://unherd.com/2020/06/the-woke-have-no-vision-of-the-future/

Norman Cohn, The Pursuit of the Millennium: Revolutionary Millenarians and Mystical Anarchists of the Middle Ages (1957)

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 13, 2020 2:40 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

It’s not “Millenarians” who are the problem. The world around us really is going down the drain. And no amount of comfortable anaesthetising from John Gray and “Unherd” is going to change that.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 13, 2020 3:34 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Well here’s a curious matter. There was a website I occasionally visited which went by the name of “Powerbase”. The self-description went:

Powerbase is a free guide to networks of power, lobbying, public relations and the communications activities of governments and other interests.

I used this site to find out about the news site Unherd. I was told (and I can only reproduce this, because I copied it from long ago): 

UnHerd is a Conservative website established in 2017 by Tim Montgomerie with the financial backing of Brexit supporter Paul Marshall. Montgomerie says it will ‘challenge out-of-date, incorrect and even dangerous thinking on economics, politics, technology, religion and the media’.

Now that sounds intriguing. “out-of-date, incorrect and even dangerous thinking”? I smell the stench of major gatekeeping going on here!

But here’s where the plot thickens! When I try to access Powerbase now, this is what comes up:

Warning: Potential Security Risk Ahead

Firefox detected a potential security threat and did not continue to powerbase.info. If you visit this site, attackers could try to steal information like your passwords, emails, or credit card details.

If I try to find out about Unherd from Wiki, the background given by Powerbase is not revealed. Instead I get this:

Ian Burrell wrote …that UnHerd’s “mission is to stand aside from the rest of the news pack and ‘to push back against the herd mentality with new and bold thinking'”.

Sounds a lot more credible, doesn’t it? Incidentally, the original Burrell piece above is titled “News websites are seeing record online traffic – the public clearly trust journalists more than they think”.

Once again: the stench of gatekeeping!

S Cooper
S Cooper
Sep 13, 2020 4:16 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Sounds more like a ring of PUMP AND DUMP phishing scammers on a “personal computer info mining mission”

“The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons.”
~ Ralph Waldo Emerson

Grafter
Grafter
Sep 13, 2020 5:22 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I smell the stench of major gatekeeping going on here!”

That’s the province of the BBC.

Happy Clapper Slave
Happy Clapper Slave
Sep 14, 2020 12:53 AM
Reply to  George Mc

You can ignore Mozilla’s arse licking and continue to the website if you click the little button, or just use another browser.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 13, 2020 3:53 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I’ll still go with Norman Cohn and Dostoevsky … I only mention John Gray because his article quoted both – and I won’t pass someone else’ connection as one I made.

We have every sign of Millenarianism, from the spiritual vacuum to Mackay’s Madness of Crowds (which everyone was quoting a few months back) which has led to mass hysteria as people sense the sands shifting under their feet.

If “world going down the drain” was the cause, people would step up and stop it. The fact they don’t care is because they wash their hands of any responsibility for their own fate.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 13, 2020 6:47 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

I am very much opposed to the familiar tactic of blaming the victims. I don’t mean it is specifically your tactic. It is a general view that has – perhaps purposely – become commonplace.

“Spiritual vacuum” and “madness of crowds” tell us very little. Each term demands that we look for a cause. “sands shifting under their feet” is much better. That conveys a generalised fear that is all the more powerful for being vague.

If “world going down the drain” was the cause, people would step up and stop it.

As easy as that? How?

The fact they don’t care is because they wash their hands of any responsibility for their own fate.

This suggests the old purely individualistic approach which falls back on that model of atomised separate beings who, by definition, cannot form into meaningful unities. Because, after all, we mustn’t have crowds! 

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 13, 2020 1:25 PM

It can be instructive to look at 9/11 truth sites started in the early 2000s which have been defunct for a long time but still have interesting information that seems to have got buried.

This site run by a woman by the name of Angie has this page on SARS 2003 and 9/11. Plus ça change.

http://www.angieon911.com/id13.html

This article on SARS 2003 is also very interesting.
http://www.natural-health-information-centre.com/sars-campaign-for-truth.html

kevin
kevin
Sep 13, 2020 9:04 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Thank you for sharing these very insightful articles. Plus ca change indeed.

John the First
John the First
Sep 14, 2020 3:41 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

“With this SARS, we have colleagues fighting for their lives. We have an invisible killer in our midst. We are at war, but our enemy has no name, no identity. We are professionals and we have a job to do.”

Kind of reads like the covid scare – ‘war’ situation. Maybe the BBC is a source of inspiration inspiring many with the same mindset. Or rather, a likewise mindset is distributed all over the place.

“To more seasoned observers of the ‘business’ of global disease, these shocking, doom and gloom SARS headlines looked like familiar pointers.”

It appears that we newbies are late on the scene, not being aware of preceding trends.

Thanks for sharing.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Sep 13, 2020 12:56 PM

Thanks for this James and OffG. A crazy, surreal situation we find ourselves in, and no, we’re definitely not all in this together as the treacherous bastards; known as politicians, like to intone.
As far as Australia goes, it’s pretty much gone. Its fecked. I don’t have much hope left at all actually. Not for this country anyway. Perhaps I still do for places like Serbia or Germany or even Quebec.
Personally, I’m in pure survival mode, and just trying to get through one day at a time with just one fairly major card left up my sleeve that I haven’t played yet.
I’m sorry if this sounds bleak, but I think the large majority of Australians are very happy to give up their liberties for a sense of ‘keeping safe’. A lot of them are literally on their knees begging for a fascist police state.
So they will be kept safe from covid. Because they are so fearful of their own mortality. This is what is driving their compliance and support of the Govt, and what drives their deep anger towards ‘conspiracy theorists’ and ‘virus deniers’.
And they are blindly oblivious to what is just round the corner.
At the end of the day, we can only try and save ourselves.

Howard
Howard
Sep 13, 2020 1:23 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

I can only hope that when the majority of Australians are finally forced by reality to wake up and see what’s happening to them; and when they start weeping and wailing and crying “Why didn’t someone warn us?” – my hope is that Gezzah Potts will be there to answer “I did mother f***ers! I did!”

Dayne
Dayne
Sep 13, 2020 2:55 PM
Reply to  Howard

People don’t think like that any more. Nobody will admit to being proven wrong, ever.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Sep 14, 2020 2:04 AM
Reply to  Howard

Thanks Howard… there’s a lot of people here that can relate, and I’m sure in the UK and United States also. I read lots of stories from people who have tried to wake up family and friends and have instead been derided as ‘conspiracy nuts’. Those covid cult members reaction is being driven by their own fear to the point of not being able to think rationally anymore regards covid. I hope your week goes okay.

Howard
Howard
Sep 14, 2020 3:29 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

The most frustrating reply I get when pointing out to people the obvious fraudulent elements of the COVID-19 “pandemic” is when they say “People are dying!” As if people dying is some sort of rational argument.

People die all the time along Interstate 95 here in eastern USA. But nobody has come forth to propose shutting this major corridor down. Think how many lives would be saved if we closed every Interstate in the world.

“People are dying!” is just about the stupidest argument anyone can put forth. I’d be much more impressed if they said “I like seeing people in masks!”

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 13, 2020 2:43 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

All they have to do; those people on their knees begging for fascism because they’re terrified of Covid, is to watch/read some interviews with Prof Sucharit Bhakdi or Dr Wolfgang Wodarg, or indeed Chris Whitty from 11th May 2020 Downing Street briefing:

Avoiding MSM and its agenda and using alternative news media instead (or even conventional media sometimes) provides the window to realise coronaviruses are not ebola or the black death. That a ‘case’ may be asymptomatic, a false positive and does not equal a death.

Ignorance is a powerful driver of fear. It’s why people are afraid of the dark.

Shame on those pushing the fear and lockdown. They are promoting fascism, which I’m more afraid of than any virus.

I want to be free, even to catch a cold.

http://www.acu2020.org

http://www.r2020.it/

Ælfræd
Ælfræd
Sep 13, 2020 6:48 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

bogo face when witty said the figures could be made available, he was like “yeh move on quick quick quick”. Lying cunt.

Paul
Paul
Sep 13, 2020 2:43 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

I’ve come to the conclusion that most people have been brainwashed by the system from an early age.
They have been taught that the system knows best, to follow the system unequivocally and anybody who challenges the state is a conspiracy theorist.

People do genuinely trust the system will protect them and keep them safe.

In current times people are genuinely afraid, some even scared to death and they need to find a reason for what’s happening and are desperate to find a way out.

It doesn’t matter about evidence. They’ve been trained to believe the mainstream everything and will lash out at anyone who disagrees as they think someone with another opinion threatens their safety.

If the state tells them a vaccine is required to keep them and their loved ones safe they will take it.
If this is what it takes to resume normal life then so be it.

And the politicians and media will ensure anyone who disagrees is vilified.

What’s happening in Australia will eventually be in nearly every country in the months ahead.

There is little point in arguing with the Covid cult. They are a waste of time and energy.
I just turn it back on them and ask questions that invariably ends up in them contradicting themselves.
But they don’t even realise.

When governments start putting restrictions on travel, employment etc if you don’t take the vaccine we have to legally challenge it.

I still have faith. All it takes is one successful legal challenge and the deck of cards collapses.

Wishing you the best from Northern Ireland.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Sep 13, 2020 3:00 PM
Reply to  Paul

Appreciate your feedback Paul. There are currently several class actions being lodged against both the Victorian and Federal Govts.
Yeah, I’ve found out myself many times, as most of us here have, that it’s literally pointless arguing with covid cult members. Regardless of how damning the evidence is we have that contradicts the narrative.
Enjoy your Sunday👍

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 13, 2020 6:37 PM
Reply to  Paul

This is what Charlotte Iserbyt and John Taylor Gatto argued until they were hoarse. Gatto is the most outlandish case. He had a platform.

Gatto was New York City Teacher of the Year in 1989, 1990, and 1991, and New York State Teacher of the Year in 1991.

The moment he laid out his carefully-documented criticism of education he was denounced as… well you know the epithets.

Next person who says “surely someone would have spoken out” I’m going to… .. hmm… … projectile vomit.

Dayne
Dayne
Sep 13, 2020 2:53 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

It’s getting hard not to feel somewhat elated about all this. The modern world, built on lies, abuse and speculation, hurtling towards a crash. (Talk about a Great Equalizer!) Mundane things like projects and deadlines becoming inconsequential. And last but not least, the grasping, unthinking majority soon getting it on the chin (as will we, I grant you, but at least we saw it coming).

I want to feel sorry for the 30+-year-olds who have started families. But hey – nearly all of them are vigorous mask and vaccine supporters! Very well then.

At this point, I am simply curious – more than anything else – to see how things pan out. Other than that, I have no intention of playing along with this charade, whatever the consequences.

George McFetridge
George McFetridge
Sep 15, 2020 5:18 PM
Reply to  Dayne

Calmness is key. The other day, I, maskless,was barred from a thrift store, and told the watchperson she had no right to tell me to put anything on my body. Later, I felt I should encourage her because she’s helping out in bringing down the corrupt order called our society. Which of course, has to go. My partner helped me out here when she said that the whole thing is to move things. I think that’s true, and there’s a calmness.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Sep 13, 2020 3:27 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Australia going down the septic pipes is nothing which occurred out of the blue. I need only point at citizen gun confiscation and forced vaccination of children. Interesting that the “government” is now resorting to openly jackbooted egregious techno-fascism. While in Germany with its million person protest in Berlin last weekend that might show fear, I think that in Australia it indicates confidence that the population is sufficiently wussified.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Sep 14, 2020 2:18 AM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

Except for a small minority, the population of Australia was well and truly wussified years ago. The embrace of rampant consumerism coupled with an unwillingness to rock the boat for fear of affecting their social status or friendships by being controversial or speaking out against the dominant narrative. In this case a supposed ‘pandemic’.
It’s absolutely no coincidence that the psychopaths behind this agenda chose Australia, and especially Melbourne first, along with New Zealand, however I see there were large protests in New Zealand the last couple of weekends, and Kiwi’s seem more willing to push back than Australians.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Sep 14, 2020 4:28 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

And who wuda thunk that the Germans are firmly in first place in the push back with their million person demo last weekend, and after 15 odd years of Mutti.

Neal
Neal
Sep 14, 2020 11:44 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Also too fat, unhealthy, comfortable, lazy and on the government purse.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Sep 14, 2020 12:07 PM
Reply to  Neal

Yep… and a very rude awakening is coming. A lot of people still cannot see what’s on the horizon. They think things will go back to how they were.

Ann Caddigan
Ann Caddigan
Sep 13, 2020 5:51 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Good to hear from you, Gezzah. Please keep in touch.

RUN!NOW
RUN!NOW
Sep 13, 2020 6:50 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Good Luck to you Gezzah Potts
I mean this sincerely .
Good luck to you and your loved once in these dark time ahead.
If only more can see the plain and simple truth
Prepare .. worry about your loved once and do not waste energy/resources

This is the end! and we can discuss for days why …but if you read any of my post ..i dont have many …you know i was hopeful and active for decades but it is DONE
Nothing will stop whats coming now ( we might be able to ‘fight’ in in future . YES! i do hope so )
but NOW and HERE we have lost
prepare dont waste Ennery

Marfanoi
Marfanoi
Sep 13, 2020 8:46 PM
Reply to  RUN!NOW

It is not the end my friend.Dark times ahead but the truth will out and water always finds its level x

Watt
Watt
Sep 13, 2020 7:15 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Glad you’re still around!

Simon
Simon
Sep 13, 2020 12:45 PM

Russia expands free land giveaway program to the entire country

July 3rd |TASS| The Federal Service of State Registration, Cadastre and Cartography (Rosreestr) is working on the “Land is Simple” program, similar to the “Far East Hectare” program, which will make it possible to register land plots in ownership remotely, without unnecessary bureaucratic procedures. This was announced on the air on the portal “Your Far East” by the head of Rosreestr Oleg Skufinsky.

“Such a project as ‘Land is simple’ will give an opportunity to every resident of our country, every entrepreneur to take land with simple automation tools – directly, without bureaucracy, wherever you can take it – set the borders of the plot yourself, and by pressing the button create an electronic contract, sign it from their part and receive registered rights,” Skufinsky said.

https://ecominded.net/land-giveaway-russia

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 13, 2020 3:00 PM
Reply to  Simon

Russian winters though..

Watt
Watt
Sep 13, 2020 7:20 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

Subsoil heat pumps, don’cha know! Cooking hot, they would be be , down Siberia way. I imagine…

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 13, 2020 11:25 AM

Some questions:

Is Beate Bahner in Germany still speaking out against lockdown or has she been frightened into silence?

Is Gezzah Potts from Melbourne OK?

Are there an police, military, doctors, nurses, politicians who are anti-lockdown but who are too afraid to speak out, and how many are there?

Will suicides caused by lockdown be recorded as deaths from lockdown?

Ann Caddigan
Ann Caddigan
Sep 13, 2020 7:09 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

Gezzah commented above.

Seaweed
Seaweed
Sep 13, 2020 10:44 AM

Gilets Jaunes in Paris yesterday:

And in Toulouse:

Seaweed
Seaweed
Sep 13, 2020 11:09 AM
Reply to  Seaweed

In Paris there are the trouble makers who cause violence and trash stuff and give the otherwise peaceful protest a bad name. The protest in Toulouse is peaceful, most of the protesters don’t identify themselves as Gilet Jaunes, they are just angry because their liberty has been taken away from them and the future of their children.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Sep 13, 2020 3:04 PM
Reply to  Seaweed

Resistance to the CORPORATE FASCIST SCAMDEMIC, which intends to enslave and murder, is SURVIVAL. IT IS INTELLIGENCE. It is also an obligation and duty to humanity.

“This struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, and it may be both moral and physical, but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.”

~ Frederick Douglas, 1857.

“It will be too late for many when Doc Billy Eugenics Euthanasia Death Shot is being pumped into their veins.”
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Ann Caddigan
Ann Caddigan
Sep 13, 2020 7:19 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

Frederick Douglas is finally getting his due. I’m reading this quote once or twice a week and it’s a powerful reinforcement. Thanks, S.

Happy Clapper Slave
Happy Clapper Slave
Sep 14, 2020 1:18 AM
Reply to  S Cooper

They are not trying to kill people, frightened child. They are trying to create a slave race, in their own image.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 13, 2020 11:51 AM
Reply to  Seaweed

Poverty created by governments is also ‘violence’. And French police are known for their brutality with the Yellow Vests, some protestors have been maimed or lost eyes.

Seaweed
Seaweed
Sep 13, 2020 6:15 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

I agree. And the pychopathic eugenic agenda turns humans against each other, humans dressed like robocops against protesters singing, shouting, holding placards…when really we should all be on the same side joined against the real tyrants who are threatening our humanity.

Happy Clapper Slave
Happy Clapper Slave
Sep 14, 2020 1:13 AM
Reply to  Seaweed

Mask wearing victims thinking they’re doing something.

Seansaighdeor
Seansaighdeor
Sep 13, 2020 10:15 AM

Been a while since we heard from Gezzah Potts.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 13, 2020 11:52 AM
Reply to  Seansaighdeor

I hope he’s OK. And others like him in Melbourne.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Sep 13, 2020 1:00 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

Hi Eyes✌️😁needed time out.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 13, 2020 1:04 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

I’m glad. (I hope it’s the real Gezzah Potts and not an Australian State astroturfer.)

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Sep 13, 2020 12:19 PM
Reply to  Seansaighdeor

I’m here Sean… I took some time out.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Sep 13, 2020 5:25 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

What is the secret code?

Seansaighdeor
Seansaighdeor
Sep 13, 2020 10:31 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Glad to see you still holding up mate. Hang in there.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 13, 2020 9:56 AM

And today’s prize for the most ballsy scare rhetoric goes to The Atlantic:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/09/what-young-healthy-people-have-fear-covid-19/616087/

“Herd immunity is an inoperable plan, teetering on a false assumption of elderly-cocooning, which encourages young people to play craps with the long-term health of their internal organs. The choice is yours. You can listen to the scientists. Or you can roll the dice with your guts.

i.e. Listen to US or DIE!

Simon
Simon
Sep 13, 2020 11:41 AM
Reply to  George Mc

It’s not really about old people and young people. It’s sick people and more of them tend to be old. Young people can also be sick and will remain sick after a covid diagnosis as they were before (unless something is done) since they are not being helped to get better by this fake health care system. Quite the reverse. They are being told they have “incurable diseases”. They are using stats to deceive people that it could happen to anyone when they are ommiting that those young people were probably one of their hostages like this woman Athena was:

Captain Spock
Captain Spock
Sep 13, 2020 11:56 AM
Reply to  Simon

I love Dr Morse…

ZenPriest
ZenPriest
Sep 13, 2020 10:20 PM
Reply to  Simon

Most ‘hereditary diseases’, ‘genetic diseases’, ‘conditions’ etc are directly caused by ourselves or our parents through deficient diet / poor lifestyle.
But big pharma is a racket for the worldwide mafia. So it needs us to believe in all these bullshit viruses and diseases so we buy their drugs and treatment, simultaneously keeping them rich and us weak/killing us off.

YeahBut
YeahBut
Sep 13, 2020 11:45 AM
Reply to  George Mc

The Atlantic article gives a misleading impression of risk by treating “young people” as an undifferentiated group who can be given a blanket prescription for how they should behave in the face of COVID-19. This is a really bad idea. A younger person with a risk factor such as diabetes should be shielding, whereas the risk to healthy young people does indeed appear to be negligible, particularly if their vitamin D levels are adequate.

The article was written by an arts graduate. Like many mainstream media pieces covering contended scientific issues, the Atlantic article relies on the vast majority of its readers not bothering to read the actual papers that it references.

The author says <i>”Research from Italy found that roughly nine in 10 hospitalized patients said they still had symptoms after two months.”</i> but most of those symptoms were fatigue and dyspnoeia (shortness of breath). It would be surprising if people, many of them elderly and with other health issues, did <i>not</i> have those symptoms after being confined to a hospital bed for (in that study) an average of 2 weeks, with much reduced physical activity over a longer period, in turn partly because of the lockdown.

The British study mentioned in the article likewise reported that the most common persistent symptoms were fatigue and dyspnoeia. It mentions a paper by <a href=”https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/31/6/1362/367005“>Marrie et al (2000)</a> which found 64% of community-acquired pneumonia cases still had at least one symptom (again most commonly fatigue) 6 weeks after completing a course of treatment, so persistent symptoms are not unique to COVID-19, although it does say that COVID-19 symptoms seem rather more persistent (74% had at least one symptom at 8-12 weeks).

The author’s reasoning assumes that the distribution of longer-term complications amongst younger people will match the distribution in the Italian study, which had a mean age of 56. That’s quite a leap.

The author’s assertion that “death is not synonymous with risk” is of course correct. This also applies to road accidents and all the other medical and non-medical hazards that people have faced throughout the ages and continue to face, without shutting their societies down.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 13, 2020 12:08 PM
Reply to  YeahBut

I think the whole art of the media lies in giving a misleading impression without telling lies that could be pointed out. I recall one report on the damage done by the Taliban in Afghanistan which ended, after direct accusations, with the unexpectedly vague “And the poppy fields producing opium are also a problem”. This bypassed the inconvenient fact that the Taliban, being fundamentalist Muslims and therefore anti-drugs, burned the poppy fields.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 13, 2020 4:25 PM
Reply to  YeahBut

Italy has one of worst air pollution rates in Europe.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Sep 13, 2020 5:26 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

Backs up terrain theory more.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 13, 2020 12:04 PM
Reply to  George Mc

The young, and most of society are being asked to curtail their own lives to protect those who’ve already lived their lives – indefinitely. Forever.

Middle-class Trots who accuse the freedom movement of being ‘selfish’ would never have agreed to lockdowns, face masks and the closure of society back in 2018 – when they were busy enjoying their own lives.

The only difference this time is the ingenuity of the propaganda being disseminated from the MSM and those who sit obediently in front of their televisions with their mouths open.

The MSM’s master stroke was conflating anti-lockdown protests with the right-wing. The organised, bourgeois and narcissistic Left fell for it.

bob
bob
Sep 13, 2020 9:18 AM

Oh dear, I feel so naughty this morning – put the telly on to catch the weather as I’m off to meet up with others later – the bbc is absolutely appalled by the behaviour of the public this weekend – showing pictures of a busy Liverpool town centre from last night – the horror of people enjoying a night out, mixing freely all because the clampdown is coming and we are in the middle of a deadly pandemic – who exactly authorises the bbc to be so morally repugnant? Defund the bbc – sack the fucking lot of them!

Grafter
Grafter
Sep 13, 2020 10:16 AM
Reply to  bob

Do not pay their “licence fee”. They are the purveyors of trash TV, propaganda , news by omission, fake news, and governmental diktat. They are a cancer in our homes.

Thom
Thom
Sep 13, 2020 11:13 AM
Reply to  bob

Well, it’s not just the BBC. The rest of the media are saying the same.
However, they’re not appalled. They’re trying to goad the British people into either anger at the revellers or anger at having their own freedoms removed.
Not that the maximum of six rule will make much difference to anyone – hence the media need to hype it up to make it look as though the Johnson regime still has control.

Paul
Paul
Sep 13, 2020 11:41 AM
Reply to  Thom

Sky news this morning has the headline of an expert who warns we could be back in full lockdown if rules not followed.

This ‘expert’ Professor Peter Openshaw is from the Imperial College London.

This quack offers no evidence at all. He’s looking at computer models that to date have been ludicrously wrong and are blatantly being manipulated to produce fraudulent outcomes.
Shit in shit out.

Well Professor Openshaw should go and look at the data before he spouts this evidence free bullshit.

Sky News are a disgrace to run this article.
There is no challenge or attempt to present a balanced article.
This is sensationalism.
Like the BBC , Sky are enemies of the people of Britain and of democracy.

This is the work of the behavioural insights team to increase the level of personal threat using the media.

Thank you Sky News and Professor Openshaw for you have yet again shown government policies are being driven by propaganda and not science.

JadedManc
JadedManc
Sep 13, 2020 12:43 PM
Reply to  Paul

Not a bad effort from actress Denise Walsh on the cosy Eamonn and Ruth show. The GP was noncommittal/disingenuous, as you’d expect. She knows which side her bread is buttered – for now! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFqpt9UuKCY

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 13, 2020 2:57 PM
Reply to  JadedManc

It takes courage for someone in the public eye like Denise Welsh to speak out. It just shows how repressive things have become when all she’s doing is presenting evidence and asking questions.

Are we not allowed to ask questions anymore?

Flat Earthers and UFO fanatics get less abuse.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 13, 2020 11:27 AM
Reply to  bob

I don’t have a television. The BBC is the enemy of humanity.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 13, 2020 9:15 AM

Corbett: 9/11 was the carte blanche for a Great Reset, the institution of a new normal in international relations and domestic affairs. From the creation . . . etc

9/11 was the NWO’s first attempt at the “Great Reset”, but it got derailed by the invasion of Iraq. Global Warming was the second attempt, but it got derailed by Climategate. Covid911 is the third attempt, but it’s being derailed by MAGA. A proper account requires understanding the agenda, the projects, and the derailments.

See Lawrence Wright on the “lost moment” of 9/11:
https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/08/watch-9-11-truth-on-the-19th-anniversary/#comment-236876

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 13, 2020 10:18 AM

Does Corbett understand the concept of metaphor?

Conclusion to artice:
DONALD TRUMP: I want to assure the American people that we’re doing everything we can each day to confront and ultimately defeat this horrible, invisible enemy. We’re at war. In a true sense, we’re at war and we’re fighting an invisible enemy. Think of that.
SOURCE: President Trump says he is a “wartime president” battling an “invisible enemy” over coronavirus

The “invisible enemy” is the same as that described by JFK. The war is an insurgency (see the Covid911 video by Joe M; follow above link). It was all made clear by Trump in October 2016 in his “existential threat” speech.

Clip (1:41)
Trump: Our campaign is “existential threat” to establishment
Oct 13, 2016
Fox News
Republican presidential nominee campaigns in West Palm Beach, Florida

Full (46:30)
FNN: Donald Trump Delivers “Major Speech” – DENIES Groping Allegations – in West Palm Beach
Oct 13, 2016
NewsNOW from FOX
Republican Presidential Nominee Donald Trump holds a rally at the South Florida Fair Expo Center in West Palm Beach, Florida.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 15, 2020 10:36 AM

This is a longer version of the “invisible enemy” quote.

Donald Trump:
I’m glad that this team and me are here for this horrible thing. . . A number of people have said it; and I feel it, actually. I’m a war-time President. This is a war. A different kind of a war than we’ve ever had . . . This is a challenging time for all Americans. We’re enduring a great national trial, and we will prove that we can meet the moment. I want to assure the American people that we’re doing everything we can each day to confront and ultimately defeat this horrible, invisible enemy. We’re at war. In a true sense, we’re at war and we’re fighting an invisible enemy. Think of that.

President Trump says he is a “wartime president” battling an “invisible enemy” over coronavirus
Mar 23, 2020
The Telegraph
President Donald Trump has said that he feels like a “wartime President” as he leads the United States through the coronavirus pandemic.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 13, 2020 10:01 PM

There is also a spiritual dimension to the concept of the “invisible enemy”, and it has been used quite recently by Archbishop Viganò; specifically in an appeal (May 8) and an open letter to Trump (June 7).

https://veritasliberabitvos.info/appeal/
May 8, 2020
Appeal for the Church and the World to Catholics and all people of good will

In this time of great crisis, we Pastors of the Catholic Church, by virtue of our mandate, consider it our sacred duty to make an Appeal to our Brothers in the Episcopate, to the Clergy, to Religious, to the holy People of God and to all men and women of good will. This Appeal has also been undersigned . . .
. . .
We are all called to assess the current situation in a way consistent with the teaching of the Gospel. This means taking a stand: either with Christ or against Christ. Let us not be intimidated or frightened by those who would have us believe that we are a minority: Good is much more widespread and powerful than the world would have us believe. We are fighting against an invisible enemy that seeks to divide citizens, to separate children from their parents, grandchildren from their grandparents, the faithful from their pastors, students from teachers, and customers from vendors. Let us not allow centuries of Christian civilization to be erased under the pretext of a virus, and an odious technological tyranny to be established, in which nameless and faceless people can decide the fate of the world by confining us to a virtual reality. If this is the plan to which the powers of this earth intend to make us yield, know that Jesus Christ, King and Lord of History, has promised that “the gates of Hell shall not prevail” (Mt 16:18).

https://www.crisismagazine.com/2020/united-against-the-invisible-enemy-of-all-humanity
June 7, 2020
Mr. President,

In recent months we have been witnessing the formation of two opposing sides that I would call Biblical: the children of light and the children of darkness. The children of light constitute the most conspicuous part of humanity, while the children of darkness represent an absolute minority. And yet the former are the object of a sort of discrimination which places them in a situation of moral inferiority with respect to their adversaries, who often hold strategic positions in government, in politics, in the economy and in the media. In an apparently inexplicable way, the good are held hostage by the wicked and by those who help them either out of self-interest or fearfulness.
. . .
Although it may seem disconcerting, the opposing alignments I have described are also found in religious circles. There are faithful Shepherds who care for the flock of Christ, but there are also mercenary infidels who seek to scatter the flock and hand the sheep over to be devoured by ravenous wolves. It is not surprising that these mercenaries are allies of the children of darkness and hate the children of light: just as there is a deep state, there is also a deep church that betrays its duties and forswears its proper commitments before God. Thus the Invisible Enemy, whom good rulers fight against in public affairs, is also fought against by good shepherds in the ecclesiastical sphere. It is a spiritual battle, which I spoke about in my recent Appeal which was published on May 8.
. . .
Mr. President, my prayer is constantly turned to the beloved American nation, where I had the privilege and honor of being sent by Pope Benedict XVI as Apostolic Nuncio. In this dramatic and decisive hour for all of humanity, I am praying for you and also for all those who are at your side in the government of the United States. I trust that the American people are united with me and you in prayer to Almighty God. United against the Invisible Enemy of all humanity, I bless you and the First Lady, the beloved American nation, and all men and women of good will.

P R Ivy
P R Ivy
Sep 13, 2020 8:32 AM

Slightly off topic perhaps, but for me UK shit trumps USA shit by a country mile.

Brexit is all looking well wobbly, I have always said, right after the result of the brexit vote, we are not going to leave, those with the real “power” in the UK don’t want it, so it is not going to happen,

Boris Johnsons govt is on course to collapse due to his covid1984 handling/mishandling, however they like Blair will neve be charged or held to account for their crimes against the people, the new measures in the uk are imho to pave the way for the SNAP general election where we only have postal votes which will then instill that working class hero stoogie Stamer into the big chair, he will without blinking an eyelid, revoke the brexit bill and we all sing Auld Langs Syne and usher in the new year knowing we are not going anywhere and the UK will be part of the EU forever. I honestly dont mind staying in the EU, I voted leave over EU carrot dangling in Ukraine and how that turned out. It is said, nothing happens in politics by chance, the mind boggling ramped up restrictions in the UK are imho laying the ground for Emperor Stamer to take control, he knows what’s best for us all, the media will adore him and the happy clapping brexiteer halfwits will vote for him without a clue of what he will do when in.

What a time to be alive, cloak and dagger shit at it’s best, I think/feel Brexit was never going to happen and here we are with the clock ticking down, time to put the “plan dan” into place, postal voting is how Stamer got in, I just don’t buy the membership swinging from JC to that twat overnight. Remember how hard they worked to get J Corbyn out of the way right after the last GE?

Edwige
Edwige
Sep 13, 2020 8:50 AM
Reply to  P R Ivy

The Fraudian ran two articles in three days last week about how Sunak was superbly positioned to replace Johnson. It lloked to me as if the UK was being set up to be Varadkared as the alternative to Starmer.

At least one of the articles had the decency to admit that Sunak would leave a financial disaster to whoever replaced him in his current job. Quite why that didn’t exclude him from being potential PM wasn’t explained.

bob
bob
Sep 13, 2020 9:20 AM
Reply to  Edwige

it’s a wonder the fraudian hasn’t run an article on Johnson’s apparent affair with a violinist despite having a partner and new baby allegedly …..

Simon
Simon
Sep 13, 2020 9:29 AM
Reply to  P R Ivy

The Uk doesn’t have a presidential election. People can vote only for an MP. The best they can do if voting is elect a good mp.

Grafter
Grafter
Sep 13, 2020 10:27 AM
Reply to  Simon

elect a good mp.”

 Don’t hear any of them speaking out against this orchestrated shutdown of democracy. Too busy keeping themselves “safe”.

Grafter
Grafter
Sep 13, 2020 10:21 AM
Reply to  P R Ivy

Millionaires should not be allowed anywhere near politics. Lobbyists the same.

Geoff
Geoff
Sep 13, 2020 1:30 PM
Reply to  Grafter

Lobbyists are without doubt one of the biggest problems in this shithole, some of these companies are that big, ministers are terrified of them

Thom
Thom
Sep 13, 2020 10:52 AM
Reply to  P R Ivy

Those with the real power in the UK are right not to want Brexit (although if that’s true, they’ve made a pretty good job of keeping it alive). But the reason it won’t happen is because even the Leader of the Leave campaign, Boris Johnson, cannot make Brexit work for Britain and, more importantly, cannot dupe the British public into believing it does.

Geoff
Geoff
Sep 13, 2020 11:39 AM
Reply to  P R Ivy

I don’t for a minute think Labour lost by so many seats, never in a million years , it was rigged from the start TPTB were never going to let Corbyn be the PM , no chance, I hope the idiots who voted for this fat slob are satisfied with the result, taking back control of our borders ha ha ha , taking control of our money whatever that nonsense means, and most importantly bringing back democracy ha ha ha ha ha , and if people really believe the fat slob is going through with this because the people voted for it, then they need a lobotomy .

Gwyn
Gwyn
Sep 13, 2020 12:55 PM
Reply to  P R Ivy

As the John Lennon song goes: A knight of the realm, QC, and member of the Trilateral Commission is something to be.

RobG
RobG
Sep 13, 2020 6:37 PM
Reply to  P R Ivy

Brexit is now totally irrelevant. We are heading into the greatest economic depression in human history, and it’s a depression that has been purposely engineered.

Captain Birdheart
Captain Birdheart
Sep 13, 2020 5:51 AM

Everybody loves Corbett, right ?

If you can do 5 minutes of his voice, you’re better than me !

One or two off you called him out (as disinfo?), I just can’t take the voice !

thedrummerben
thedrummerben
Sep 13, 2020 8:02 AM

I’m only interested in what he has to say. His voice is irrelevant to me. Independent truth-seeking media isn’t always as slick and well produced as mainstream media and the presenters aren’t always as pretty and easy to listen to but the information is what’s important.

kooglekins
kooglekins
Sep 13, 2020 8:49 AM

I love his voice and he is slick and so smart

hengaoxingrenshini
hengaoxingrenshini
Sep 13, 2020 10:22 AM
Reply to  kooglekins

Right, I absolutely love his sarcasm.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 13, 2020 10:36 AM

I liked the old Corbett, the two-plus-two-equals-four version. But this current release, not so much.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Sep 13, 2020 10:17 AM
Reply to  Paco Porras

Thanks, Paco. I wish I’d learnt Spanish at school! For the benefit of others who may not be aware, this is the doctor who embarrassed a Spanish TV network by being truthful about his experiences of the ‘pressures’ placed on his hospital at the height of the coronavirus pandemic.

Would there be anyway, Paco, that you could briefly summarise what he says here? It would be interesting to know whether he comments on any reaction from colleagues or senior managers. Is he still in his job? 😀

Ramdan
Ramdan
Sep 13, 2020 1:44 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Brief summary: The Dr. says his been called a denialist though it seems he still in business. He goes on addressing the possibility of a second outbreak in October causing hospitals collapse, which he thinks its hardly possible.
He further talks aboit how the whole situation its probably being used by politicians to justify expenses, to cover their back against opponents, etc. He also says that he is convinced that there will be another pandemic:

“because this one has been such a success for speculators and social engineering, that you can bet there will be a second one”.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Sep 13, 2020 2:02 PM
Reply to  Ramdan

Thanks, Ramdan. Much as expected, and brave of him to continue speaking out. His employers may not be so lenient now.

Grafter
Grafter
Sep 13, 2020 10:29 AM
Reply to  Paco Porras

Please provide translation .

JudyJ
JudyJ
Sep 13, 2020 2:04 PM
Reply to  Grafter

Grafter

You will be interested to see the summary from @Ramdan above.

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Sep 13, 2020 4:58 AM

Off topic Denial of Service enquiry: has anyone else had difficulty connecting to SyrianPerspective.com

P R Ivy
P R Ivy
Sep 13, 2020 8:34 AM
Reply to  Dr NG Maroudas

My browser says the site has expired, looks like a licencing issue perhaps?