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Turkey adds fuel to fire in Nagorno-Karabakh

Ahmad al-Khaled

In the past few years, Turkey’s unprecedentedly aggressive foreign policy has affected all States within Ankara’s area of interest. The renewed conflict in Karabakh region was viewed by Turkish President Recep Erdogan as a new goal for his imperialist ambitions. And that’s why the sovereign State of Armenia came under Turkish attack.

On 27th September Turkish-backed Azerbaijan launched a military operation to regain control of the disputed territories of Nagorno-Karabakh. Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu on his Twitter account confirmed Ankara’s readiness to support Baku and fight for its interests, thus protecting “two countries, one nation” principle. He also called on Armenia to immediately withdraw its troops from the “occupied” Karabakh territories.

At the same time, media and social networks started spreading information about the deploying of Turkish military equipment and mercenaries from Syria and Libya in Azerbaijan.

Even before the outbreak of clashes between Armenia and Azerbaijan, on 19th September local Syrian sources informed that Turkey began recruiting volunteers in Afrin in northern Syria for their further dispatch to the conflict zone. Mercenaries were reportedly taken to a training camp in the Turkish town of Gaziantep, from where they were transported to the Azeri capital Baku under the guise of Turkish soldiers.

According to Flightradar24, Turkish aircraft took off from Mitiga Airport in Libya’s Tripoli and landed in Baku. Military experts suppose that the aircraft moved a batch of pro-Turkish mercenaries to participate in fighting against Armenian armed forces.

The further activity of Syrian mercenaries can be tracked through regional networks and social media. Reports said that more than dozens of fighters, mostly from pro-Turkish Syrian factions Ahrar al-Sharqiyah and Hamza Division, were killed during clashes in Karabakh.

According to the British newspaper Guardian, Syrian mercenaries weren’t meant to participate in the conflict as a combat force but were “signed up to work as border guards in Azerbaijan”.

Despite the excuses of the Turkish authorities and the statements made by Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev on non-interference of the Turkish party in the Karabakh conflict, there is a lot of evidence proving Ankara’s direct interference. The latest example of Turkey’s aggressive policy was the shooting down of Sukhoi SU-25 aircraft belonging to the Armenian Air Force by Turkish F-16 fighter jet. Additionally, Ankara intensified its support for Baku with sophisticated unmanned aerial vehicles “Bayraktar”.

Erdogan’s real goals in the Karabakh conflict remain unclear, especially given the fact that Turkish intervention could trigger Russian involvement and further escalation. Probably if the opposing sides won’t take practical steps towards a peaceful solution and won’t prevent foreign interference, the world can witness a new long-lasting conflict and more civilian casualties.

Ahmad al-Khaled is a freelance journalist with a primary focus on the involvement of foreign actors in the Syrian conflict and its consequences on both regional and global levels.

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gorden
gorden
Oct 3, 2020 2:01 PM

what does tel aviv think
turkey tel aviv lockstep
yes no

Ruth
Ruth
Oct 3, 2020 9:41 AM

I suspect Turkey’s being covertly sponsored by the US and UK

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Oct 3, 2020 8:24 AM

Neat strategic view BTL today’s Saker Vineyard:

“Anon on October 02, 2020  · at 6:54 pm EST/EDT
Main Turkish geopolitical goal is to reach the Caspian sea. From there on incorporate Turkmenistan, and Kazakhstan into its neo ottoman empire. All the way to west China, the Ughuirs too.
That’s the Turkish thrust east. To the South, take Idlib and North Syria. South-west incorporate Libya. North-west push towards Bosnia, take Macedonia, Kosovo, Albania. Spreading in all directions.”

Penny
Penny
Oct 3, 2020 1:22 PM
Reply to  Dr NG Maroudas

“neat strategic view”?

From an anonymous commenter at Sakers?
Reads like more Usrael rubbish.

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Oct 4, 2020 6:22 AM
Reply to  Penny

Penny, glad to hear from you! We have disagreed on and off for years about the permanence of the NATZO/Turkey armed presence in northern Syria. And I must confess that in the light of Erdogan’s recent incursions elsewhere I have been thinking that your prediction of a permanent Turkish foothold in Syria look sounder than my prediction of a final withdrawal.

But why do you think Turkey has no strategy for similar expansion elsewhere?

Penny
Penny
Oct 4, 2020 1:10 PM
Reply to  Dr NG Maroudas

We have disagreed on and off for years about the permanence of the NATZO/Turkey armed presence in northern Syria’

And we shall continue to disagree.Turkey’s presence in Syria and UsraelKurd presence are not cooperative. Symbiotic but oppositional.

I have been thinking that your prediction of a permanent Turkish foothold in Syria look sounder than my prediction of a final withdrawal.”

My “prediction” is neither a prediction, nor is it simplistic. Everything I have to say on this topic is at my place and involves the much larger idea of the region being reshaped. Birth Pangs.

“But why do you think Turkey has no strategy for similar expansion elsewhere?”
I don’t see Turkish “expansion” that’s loaded and manipulative. I’m sure you are aware of that.
I do however see lots of evidence of US expansionism/occupation/ethnic cleansing (France, Israel, Kurds) Funny how you don’t speak of that.?

I see the forest. You’re stuck on one tree.

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Oct 5, 2020 5:09 AM
Reply to  Penny

Penny, many thanks for Link to your Thoughts on Turkey:

http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.com/search/label/Birth%20Pangs

Link also presents your campaign against the Con19 $cam. Good to see another Truther site lining up solidly with OffG; with a totally relevant quote from the Nazi era:

“Isolated people are powerless by definition” — Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Oct 2, 2020 10:23 PM

I’ve read recently a couple of books from the WW1 era that describe the experience of English PoWs in Turkey. In them you can plainly see the cultural collision between the old — the fading Ottoman Empire built on entrenched hiearchies and lower class ignorance — and the new, a modern post-war Turkey, the place envisaged by Ataturk. Edrogan with his attempts to “Make Turkey Great Again” seems to be sliding back to the Ottoman era, and with his support for Azerbaijan he’s definitely retrogressing to that dark era where the Armenian minority was suppressed under the pretence of ‘siding with Russia’.

Turkey has been behaving oddly for some time now. It started small, intervening in Syra. Then they’ve started annoying Greece and even had a go at playing with Libya. You have to ask yourself why they’re doing this, its not contributing to peace and stability, its stirring the pot of chaos. Then there’s conversion of the Hagia Sophia back to a mosque — inflammatory to say the leat. We say nothing in the West, of course — they’re NATO members so as long as they’re anti-Russian nothing else matters.

Edrogan should really read historical material such as the works of T.E.Lawrence. Apart from the Dardanelle campaign (a logistical screwup by the Allies) the Ottoman Empire didn’t fare at all well militarily despite significant help and materiel from Germany. It only lasted as long as it did because it was a remote backwater; as soon as it was necessary to invade it the empire just crumbled.

paul
paul
Oct 2, 2020 11:07 PM
Reply to  Martin Usher

The Turkish Army fought quite well in WW1, certainly well beyond the expectations of Allied countries who had seen Turkey defeated in Libya and the Balkans in a series of wars from 1911-13. Not just Gallipoli, but the victory at Kut and fighting elsewhere. They carried on fighting with great resilience despite great setbacks right till the end under extreme pressure in 1918, without mutinying or collapsing (unlike France/ Russia/ Italy.) Not a bad record overall.

Arby
Arby
Oct 3, 2020 12:46 PM
Reply to  Martin Usher

I followed the (too rightwing) Duran for a while. A lot of what I know comes from that source. It seemed that Turkey was play both sides in the US vs Russia contest. Then again, That contest isn’t exactly what it appears to be. Putin has shown, with the covid 19 pandemic hoax, that he’s loyal to the Transnational Capitalist Class that in fact rules the world.

gorden
gorden
Oct 2, 2020 8:59 PM

erdogan is donmeh house of saud qatari boris

dog erdo does the dirty work for the idf

all the talk and stern words between turk and tel aviv
just stale stinking hot air

Paul
Paul
Oct 2, 2020 7:59 PM

Turkey is opening up another ‘front’ to destabilise Russia. Jihadists shipped in from Syria are a backdoor to the Caucasus. The Jihadis from China could also find it half way to home as the pressure mounts in Idlip where their 7000 fighters spy a way out. Russia isn’t going to stand for Turkey inciting Jihad.

wardropper
wardropper
Oct 2, 2020 4:29 PM

Have people really forgotten the Armenian genocide already…?
“They who must never be criticized” never give up, do they?

Hank
Hank
Oct 2, 2020 2:36 PM

When Turkey give back Constantinople modern day Istanbul then we’ll talk. Hypocrites!

Julia
Julia
Oct 2, 2020 2:59 PM
Reply to  Hank

Give it back to whom? The Greeks? The Turks took Constantinople in 1453, at which point there were only a few thousand people left, and definitely not only Greeks. Give me a break. As for Nagorno Karabagh, it is and always has been Azeri land, and is recognized as such by most international organizations. Armenians have been unjustly occupying it for 30 years. The Turks did very well to intervene in this one.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Oct 2, 2020 3:59 PM
Reply to  Julia

“It seems NATO sock puppet PASHA POODLE wants to start again with the Armenians where the Mehmeds V and VI left off.”

https://imgur.com/gallery/At4Kb/comment/1204254955?nc=1

Julia
Julia
Oct 2, 2020 4:23 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

If that’s honestly the level of your discourse, it’s pretty discouraging and not worth replying to, frankly

S Cooper
S Cooper
Oct 2, 2020 4:47 PM
Reply to  Julia

Let it not be said that I do not aim to please. Here is something that may be more to your liking, toots

“A knave, a rascal, an eater of broken meats; a base, proud, shallow, beggarly, three-suited, hundred-pound, filthy, worsted-stocking knave; a lily-livered, action-taking knave; a whoreson, glass-gazing, super-serviceable finical rogue; one-trunk-inheriting slave; one that wouldst be a bawd in way of good service; and art nothing but the composition of a knave, beggar, coward, pander, and the son and heir of a mongrel bitch; one whom I will beat into clamorous whining if thou deniest the least syllable of thy addition.”

Do appreciate your non response. Thank you.

Hank
Hank
Oct 2, 2020 4:31 PM
Reply to  Julia

You said it yourself and answered your own question. “The Turks took Constantinople”

Julia
Julia
Oct 2, 2020 4:37 PM
Reply to  Hank

Right. Just as the Americans took North America, the Hungarians took Hungary, the Italians took Italy, and the Moguls took India. To the victor goes the spoils; not one nation in the world can boast a peoples who have been there forever. Except for maybe Djibouti.

Hank
Hank
Oct 3, 2020 4:02 PM
Reply to  Julia

 “”To the victor goes the spoils”” Then why you crying over Armenia?

Or do the spoils only go to who you think they should.

Zoran Aleksic
Zoran Aleksic
Oct 3, 2020 9:18 PM
Reply to  Julia

Just like the Americans took North America???
No. North America was taken from the Americans. Indian reservations could vouch for the fact.
And as for to the victor goes the spoils – what a wonderful and humane world that would be.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Oct 2, 2020 1:42 PM

I gotta laugh at the ignorance and stupidity of the armed forces, regardless of what country or “leaders” they collect their paychecks from.

Don’t they notice the lack of muscle tone, the flabby gut, the sagging jowls of their employers? Don’t they see the clean and manicured nails, the swollen and sagging skin, the dead eyes? The idiocy?

How do these mercenaries explain to their children the methods they use to slaughter other mothers, fathers, and children? How can they salute the grim and lifeless specimens they’ve joined? How can they stand the stench of what they’ve become?

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 2, 2020 3:09 PM

Indeed. No need to genetically modify humans into unthinking robotic drones who preform crimes on command when most resemble either the walking dead or “chattering monkeys” already.

Hat tip to Fact Checker for the chattering monkey reference.

See you
See you
Oct 2, 2020 1:41 PM

Is there a reliable mechanism to double check, there is not a third party that is shooting in both directions to make it look like the other party is starting the hostilities?

See you
See you
Oct 2, 2020 1:38 PM

“Turkey adds fuel to fire”
But isn’t Turkey the nasty fire itself?
Turkey is acting like a mini-US in fomenting mayhem and disasters.

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Oct 2, 2020 2:25 PM
Reply to  See you

Or like a micro-UK

Tutisicecream
Tutisicecream
Oct 2, 2020 1:05 PM

Living up to his name as the Sultan of Swing Erdogan has again teased out with ire the Turkish connection with Russia to the limit, as he has done with Washington. So far nothing in the direction of Boris Johnson’s lineage though…

Only in the wake of attracting hoards of Russian tourists to his sycophantic hotels for the truncated “post covid” summer season he now thinks he can play the master again in failed international politics.

https://www.google.ru/maps/uv?pb=!1s0x14c378692cb6fec3%3A0x1e50cd74e96d7078!3m1!7e115!4shttps%3A%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipPkJH76y0XcwvXiBooDZFASfqsLssyI7yeHXqfE%3Dw401-h250-k-no!5sthe%20kremlin%20hotel%20turkey%20-%20Google%20Search!15sCgIgAQ&imagekey=!1e10!2sAF1QipPkJH76y0XcwvXiBooDZFASfqsLssyI7yeHXqfE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwixluSE7JXsAhVIyaQKHYTSAgIQoiowC3oECBEQAw#

Joerg
Joerg
Oct 2, 2020 12:52 PM

Israel sents weapons to Azerbaijan:
“Armenia Recalls Ambassador From Israel Over Azeri Weapons Sales”- https://news.antiwar.com/2020/10/01/armenia-recalls-ambassador-from-israel-over-azeri-weapons-sales/;

gorden
gorden
Oct 2, 2020 9:03 PM
Reply to  Joerg

the ashkanazim and the turk state are related
khazar related
one could say in lockstep

the friendship like with the house of saud has been hidden for a long time
satan spawn

Joerg
Joerg
Oct 3, 2020 7:58 AM
Reply to  gorden

@gordon
Yes: THE PALESTIANIANS are the true descendants of the old Hebrews – not the nowadays Israelis. Most of the nowadays Israelis are indeed descendants of the “Khasars”, a Turk (not “Osman”!) empire north and east of the Black Sea that took over the Hebrew religion at about 600 A.D. So – you Evangelists in the USA: “God’s People” are the Palestinians!

But I doubt that Israel’s siding with the Azeris has something to do with that.
And even more there is not only this one surprise (at least for me) of this axis Azerbaijan-Israel. There is a second surprise (at least for me): That is an axis Iran-Armenia.
For this please read Bhadrakumar’s article: “THE TIME OF TROUBLES IN TRANSCAUCASIA – Part 1” – https://indianpunchline.com/the-time-of-troubles-in-transcaucasia-part-1/

Penny
Penny
Oct 2, 2020 11:56 AM

Sorry but this article is trash. Turkish backed Azerbaijan? Talk about your propaganda technique. Insinuation, Turkey attacked Armenia?
Link to Armenia’s FM Interview
“If Turkey Intervenes We’ll Respond”
You know right there Turkey has not intervened.

The fairy tale about Turkey shipping in rebels was provided to the 5 eyes media by Lindsey Snell- American agent= puhleeze!
And isn’t it convenient that they’ve mostly all been killed- That’s an easy way to shut down a nonsensical story!

I’ve a whole section at my blog called Birth Pangs

MK Bhadkramur has a much better analysis then the pro remake- imperialist gibberish presented here

And I must say I’m stunned but not surprised that the Armenian leadership’s lackey credentials aren’t mentioned. He came to power in a ‘colour revolution” Aided by the NED and George Soros- The Velvet Revolution 2.0. Wrote about it at that time

“there is a lot of evidence proving Ankara’s direct interference”
There is lots of aspersion, but, no evidence. The Armenian FM’s statement makes that clear.
Poor article. Propaganda for the empire.
I’m sorry to this is at Off Guardian. The Guardian, yes. But here, no.

Donald Duck
Donald Duck
Oct 2, 2020 11:05 AM

Turkey began recruiting volunteers in Afrin…” Not a surprise really, Turkey is one of the main sponsors of Jihadi militants in Idlib province in Syria and almost certainly is aided and abetted by British and American advisors.

Erdogan Supporter
Erdogan Supporter
Oct 2, 2020 10:44 AM

Man, some of you guys, join the queue for Muslim-bashing, Turco-Ottoman fancying dreamers! I thought this site, at least, attempts to clarify facts, not MSM false narratives, hmmm. Anyways, Erdogan seems to be slowly laying the foundations for a Turkish nation state independent of the current international system, not in need of international aid/support/takeover. The emphasis on Islamic heritage is understandable for his politic base, Turks have a sense of pride in their roots as Ottomans, just as many British people love the good ol’ Empire themselves.

There was a good Al Jazeera opinion piece about Turkey’s regional power plays:

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2020/8/5/turkeys-foreign-policy-and-the-myth-of-neo-ottomanism/

Honestly, I don’t know much about the current and historical background to the Armenian-Azeri conflict and military wars but I suspect the area is resource rich, as per the usual “we’re fighting for freedom (oil/gas) boys!”

First time commenting here, mildy refreshing and nice to join a community of like-minded fellows, including the odd disagreement.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 2, 2020 11:15 AM

So do you support the concept of a just war? Presumably, Armenia did something very wrong to justify Erdogan’s violent intervention, but you only posit ‘resource rich’ area as the possible motive. So war for resources is just? I’m quite sure that you would condemn any US military intervention on such grounds, right? You also smile upon Turkish pride and nationalism as good things. What about US, Israeli or British pride and nationalism? Are they acceptable too?

Julia
Julia
Oct 2, 2020 3:13 PM

The Armenians have been illegally occupying land that belongs to another country for 30 years. What more reason are you looking for?

Asgard 2208
Asgard 2208
Oct 2, 2020 6:17 PM
Reply to  Julia

Previously you said “To the victor go the spoils”. Well, Armenia and Azerbaijan fought that war 30 years ago, and the Azeris lost. So I guess, by your own measure that land is now Armenian….

Aside from that, however, even if I were to accept your thesis, this should be a conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan. Turkey interfering and aiding the Azeris is actually illegal under international law. I know, I know, that law never applies to NATO or any of its members, but it’s still the law for all members of the UN.

Or perhaps you’re just an apologist for Turkey’s Armenian Genocide 2.0.

Julia
Julia
Oct 3, 2020 5:46 AM
Reply to  Asgard 2208

Oh please. I said “to the victor go the spoils” in reference to the Ottomans taking Istanbul in 1453, a time when this region was an inchoate assemblage of nation states, and Constantinople was still the eastern capital of the Roman Empire. Surely you are not comparing a period of 550 years ago to the 30 year illegal occupation of land recognized BY EVERY MAJOR INTERNATIONAL assembly as belonging to the Azeris?!

As to my views on what actually happened with Armenians around the time of WWI, surely you aren’t trying to link that to the Nagorno Karabagh situation? If so, it’s too absurd to respond to, but suffice it to say my views on that matter ought be irrelevant to you, as yours are to me.

Hank
Hank
Oct 2, 2020 11:15 AM

What Turkey and the Ottomans did to the Armenians between 1894 and 1923 and also between 1914 and 1923 tells the world all they need to know what Turkey and Islams real ambitions are.

Penny
Penny
Oct 2, 2020 12:06 PM
Reply to  Hank

You mean what the Kurds and Ottomans did to the Armenians… Most people don’t realize that the Kurds were the very willing slaughterers of Armenians. That’s how they came to reside en masse in Southern Turkey. You can find this information for yourselves, just look. The Kurds also participated in killing the Assyrians then confiscating their history and historical sites.
No one party is all innocent or all evil unless you live in a cartoon world.

David Matthews
David Matthews
Oct 2, 2020 8:07 PM
Reply to  Penny

“No one party is all innocent or all evil unless you live in a cartoon world.”

Yes, that’s the best comment here today. All it lacks is a mention of the fact that Armenians built high arch stone bridges that last for hundreds of years. Anyone who has been to the Kachar mountains east of Trabzon will know that.

When I was there 20 odd years ago I was told that there were still Armenians round and about, but it was not a good idea to mention that too loudly.

I’d give up on humanity if I wasn’t part of it myself 🙂

messenger charles
messenger charles
Oct 2, 2020 2:02 PM
Reply to  Hank

That’s Edomite Canaanites for ya – no mercy!

gorden
gorden
Oct 2, 2020 9:07 PM

hey scum what happened to the plant the engineering of syria who made billions from the turk tel aviv live organ dealing
your state raped syria took everything raped helped year zero ancient communities

zio savages low level thieves
strategy uk usa israel dog erdo as bit bull

CamusRebel63
CamusRebel63
Oct 4, 2020 5:00 AM

been wanting to jump in here for a few month since I stumbled upon this bastion of sanity…… your comment pushed me into trying

CamusRebel63
CamusRebel63
Oct 4, 2020 5:08 AM
Reply to  CamusRebel63

looks like I’m in. wow, haven’t commented anywhere in a while. had been banned a few places and just stopped trying. live between DC and Baltimore, am just amazed at the caliber of conversation here. Just how obvious things like 9/11 truth and plandemic dont need to be debated but we can use them as starting points and springboards to dive much deeper. Kinda feel like I have come home after a long trek in the wilderness

Edwige
Edwige
Oct 2, 2020 9:51 AM

Bernard Lewis’s “Arc of Crisis” is the goal, Turkish dreams of a re-constituted Ottoman Empire one of the means.

Loverat
Loverat
Oct 2, 2020 9:03 AM

Fair enough. But peopie need to balance events to the Kosovo situation and international law etc

A good article here.

https://oneworld.press/?module=articles&action=view&id=1710

God
God
Oct 2, 2020 9:03 AM

The US wants a war in Europe and Turkey is how they are going ot get it. As part of the USA’s ‘last man(currency) standing’ dollar defence stratergy.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 2, 2020 11:29 AM
Reply to  God

Evidence please. Have you heard about Trump’s ‘Abraham Accords’ signed in the last few weeks? They are the peace deals between Israel and UAE and Bahrain. More are promised as the US president continues to end US interventionism in the region, as promised voters In 2016 Trump has also brought a peace deal to Serbia and Kosovo (the Serbs just renamed a lake to ‘Lake Trump’ in his honour) and received his third nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize last week. Maybe your claim to know what ‘the US wants’ refers to the deep state or swamp which us so desperately trying to prevent Trump’s reelection in November. It most definitely doesn’t describe the anti-war foreign policy of Orange Man Bad. Maybe it’s time to stop smearing the US as the great Satan?

https://www.newsweek.com/kosovo-serbia-donald-trump-1534243

messenger charles
messenger charles
Oct 2, 2020 2:09 PM

“Evidence please. Have you heard about Trump’s ‘Abraham Accords’ signed in the last few weeks? They are the peace deals between Israel and UAE and Bahrain.”

Echoes of the Non-Agression Pact between National Socialist Germany and Bolshevik Russia.

1 Thessalonians 5:3 (KJV) For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

wardropper
wardropper
Oct 2, 2020 4:43 PM

Gotta luv these “evidence, please” comments…
You keep your eyes open for a couple of decades, and you see the evidence well enough.
With every year that passes, it becomes easier and easier to recognize that the “great satan” designation of the US fits perfectly – regrettably, since I have no quarrel with the many American individuals I know.
The problem is the shadowy entities that run Washington, and of course their tentacles wrap themselves around the rest of the world too. The evidence is everywhere – even YouTube is full of highly informative material on this. But of course it is also possible to view exclusively the Washington Post, or Fox News, and come to the conclusion that “the world hates us for our freedoms”…
Right…….
Here’s my take on “badness”:
Orange Man, bumpkin. Boris Johnson, bumpkin. Most of the western world’s leaders, bumpkins. But the word, “bad” applies mainly to those who give those bumpkins their marching orders.
It would certainly help if the US would stop acting like the great satan, but I fear it has become addicted to it.

Ottomanboi
Ottomanboi
Oct 2, 2020 9:01 AM

Islam, the self styled ‘religion of peace’ strikes again.
Long Live Armenia!

Loverat
Loverat
Oct 2, 2020 10:42 AM
Reply to  Ottomanboi

I have alot of sympathy with Armenian people.

But this has nothing to do with Islam. At least except in the heads of the irrational and those pushing conflict.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 2, 2020 11:51 AM
Reply to  Loverat

It’s very hard to think this Turkish attack on Christian Armenia has nothing to do with Islam. Not so discreetly, Erdogan has long supported violent Islamism and religious bigotry against Infidels, and famously dreams of restoring the Ottoman empire and caliphate (with him as its unelected sultan, obviously). For a taste of his Islamic worldview, here’s the poem he read to core supporters in 2015:

“The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers.”

While posing as moderate muslim abroad, this Islamic supremacist has closed or converted countless churches to mosques (the great Hagia Sophia just this month), and funded hundreds of mega mosques and Islamic teaching centres all over the West, especially in Germany. He has said that Turks abroad assimilating to foreign cultures is ‘a crime against humanity’. At regular intervals Erdogan also threatens to ‘open the floodgates’ to mass immigration on Turkey’s border with Greece unless the EU pays him not, and has made Turkey the world’s most dangerous place to be an investigative journalist. There us much more to fear from a man some call the Islamic Hitler’.

Julia
Julia
Oct 2, 2020 4:27 PM

That is complete and utter bullshit. “Its v hard to think this attack has nothing to do with Islam”???!! Without even wading into any of the other myriad ways you are wrong, allow me to pose this question to you: IF indeed this had ANYTHING to do with Islam, why do you suppose it is that the ONE Islamic republic in the region, ie IRAN, supports Armenia in this conflict??! Because it has NOTHING to do with Islam and EVERYTHING to do with real politik.

Jan J
Jan J
Oct 2, 2020 9:01 AM

Turkey has their hand in a lot of filth these days, Syria, Libya, this… Does anyone have a good analysis of Turkish geopolitical aims? I’m trying to understand if they are acting out of their own regional interest or if they are essentially doing the bidding of the empire. They seem somewhat “rogue” from NATO at least, and often seemingly go their own way.

Loverat
Loverat
Oct 2, 2020 10:48 AM
Reply to  Jan J

Turkey is run by an ideological inspired nutcase. The best analogy I can offer is Franjo Tudjman of Croatia from the 1990s.

Few brains cells and even less strategy.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 2, 2020 12:10 PM
Reply to  Jan J

If by ‘empire’ you refer to the Ottoman Empire and its restoration as the Islamic caliphate, then I’d say you have put your finger on Erdogan’s great dream and motivation. His nationalism, political ambition and strong desire to rebuild Islamic supremacy and empire are well-known to Turkey pundits. His ‘Turkey First’ nationalism makes Trump look amateur; no British or American politician could ever talk like Erdogan does and not attract screams of ‘fascist dictator’, ‘violent imperialist’ and ‘Hitler’. But Erdogan belongs to the religion of peace, so gets a free pass for his views. I really don’t think you are worrying about any Islamic empire, right? I say beware the limited term ‘geopolitical aims’, as it hides the huge and continuing importance of religious belief in motivating violence and driving global affairs.

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 2, 2020 12:45 PM
Reply to  Jan J

He does what the bankers tell him. There is no empire only the illusion of empire. Empire is a tool of the central banks, as is terrorism, in whatever form it takes, whether it’s Islamic jihad groups, false flags, outright wars or pandemics.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Oct 2, 2020 6:53 AM

“They say poor PASHA POODLE gets no respect. One wonders why?”

https://twitter.com/WalyZeinab/status/1257137294924025857/photo/1

S Cooper
S Cooper
Oct 2, 2020 6:56 AM
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S Cooper
S Cooper
Oct 2, 2020 6:59 AM
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Marfanoi
Marfanoi
Oct 2, 2020 6:38 AM

Donalds got it.How exciting.They all getting it and Its no country for all them old men.Election wont happen if somebody “dies”.

Marfanoi
Marfanoi
Oct 2, 2020 6:38 AM
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Off topic sorry but its so exciting.

Emily Tock
Emily Tock
Oct 2, 2020 7:03 AM
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I’m guessing he won’t have a bad case, and rub people’s faces in that fact. There’s also the possibility that this is a pure political stunt.

God
God
Oct 2, 2020 9:05 AM
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I think he is going to die. this is an assassination, not because he is virtuous or because he is bad, it is just part of the show.

Fact Checker
Fact Checker
Oct 2, 2020 7:13 AM
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Remember when “SaRS:cOv//BLa-BLa_YAckEDDY-SCHMACKeDDY_Part-DEIUX” was the “virus,” whereas “COVIDUS-1984” was the “symptomatic syndrome” caused by said virus? (Like the HIV-AIDS distinction.)

They sure dumped that conceit right quick, didn’t they, so that every innocuous “positive” got the SCARY NAME, rather than the booooooring, technical-ly name.

I don’t think anyone, ever is going to seriously contemplate TH’RUMP will be even marginally affected by this “diagnosis,” health-wise.

I can almost see him, in his dressing room, getting oranged up by his make-up artist, as the plucky Production Assistant hands him today’s “pages” from the shooting script:

Hm! I get Coviss today! I can do this! Finally a juicy arc for my character I can sink my teeth into!

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 2, 2020 5:30 PM
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Haha.

Trumpers was supposedly on Hydroxychloroquine as a prophylactic so there goes that red herring sub plot.

John
John
Oct 2, 2020 6:18 AM

If the Turks aren’t causing crap with the Greeks then its with the Kurds and Armenia. Never trusted them in any event.Maybe I was influenced by Midnight Express?

Antonym
Antonym
Oct 2, 2020 8:11 AM
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Not the all Turkish, only those led by Erdogan!

wardropper
wardropper
Oct 2, 2020 4:55 PM
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Which is, of course, true of ALL world politics.
To the media, Britain is Johnson, the US is Trump, and Turkey is Erdogan.
All of us should really think about whether there is any point in having politicians “running” our countries, since, in the main, they do no such thing.
I suppose we have two choices:
a) make damn sure our politicians DO run our countries – and wisely too.
b) find a better way of running our countries than setting up a “leader” of some sort, who has far more money and power than intelligence.
Pretty drastic suggestion, eh?
Well it’s about time.

John
John
Oct 3, 2020 7:21 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Yep agree, It’s actually those that hide behind the politicians (Foghorns) that are the problem. Normally religious cult or an Elite financial cult.
But you are spot on.
We have been led to believe their is such a thing as democracy when there isn’t really such a thing. Interesting article from https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/18/we-do-not-live-in-a-true-democracy/

Zoran Aleksic
Zoran Aleksic
Oct 3, 2020 9:30 PM
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Those with intelligence and less money and power will do anything to be in the position of those with money and power.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Oct 2, 2020 1:41 PM
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Or perhaps like many native Brits the Dardanelles is still a sore spot, costing the lives of many of their ancestors who died needlessly on those beaches ? Even though it was Churchill’s folly.

Voxi Pop
Voxi Pop
Oct 2, 2020 6:11 AM

such an interesting article – i wish i could cover everything! thank u for this

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Arne
Arne
Oct 2, 2020 5:30 AM

The highest building of London and Great Britain, “The Shard”, is a Muslim demonstration of power (owned by the state of Qatar). British cities with Muslim mayors (2017): London, Birmingham, Leeds, Blackburn, Sheffield, Oxford, Luton, Oldham, Rochdale. Over 3,000 Muslim Mosques in the UK, over 130 Muslim Sharia Courts, over 50 Muslim Sharia Councils. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_Kingdom