How to Debunk Thermite on 9/11
Kevin Ryan
The anniversary of the 9/11 attacks just passed, and we noticed a fair amount of discussion in the comments attempting to discredit or debunk the controlled demolition theory. Some claimed there was no rubble (or not enough), or no explosions, or no heat, or no molten metal…however all the claims were anecdotal and fell somewhat flat (so to speak).
But OffG prides itself on being helpful, and since some of you are so keen to debunk the work of the phsycists and engineers who found physical proof that 9/11 was an inside job, we’ve got a handy guide here to help you do it. Properly. – Ed.
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The evidence for the presence of thermite at the World Trade Center (WTC) on 9/11 is extensive and compelling. This evidence has accumulated to the point at which we can say that WTC thermite is no longer a hypothesis, it is a tested and proven theory.
Therefore it is not easy to debunk it. But the way to do so is not difficult to understand.
To debunk the thermite theory, one must first understand the evidence for it and then show how all of that evidence is either mistaken or explained by other phenomena. Here are the top ten categories of evidence for thermite at the WTC.
- Molten metal: There are numerous photographs and eyewitness testimonies to the presence of molten metal at the WTC, both in the buildings and in the rubble. No legitimate explanation has been provided for this evidence other than the exothermic reaction of thermite, which generates the temperatures required and molten iron as a product.
- The fires at Ground Zero could not be put out for several months. Despite the application of millions of gallons of water to the pile, several rainfall events at the site, and the use of a chemical fire suppressant, the fires would not subside. Thermal images made by satellite showed that the temperatures in the pile were far above that expected in the debris from a typical structure fire. Only thermite, which contains its own oxidant and therefore cannot be extinguished by smothering it, can explain this evidence.
- Numerous eyewitnesses who were fleeing the area described the air mass as a hot wind filled with burning particles.[1] This evidence agrees with the presence of large quantities of thermite byproducts in the air, including hot metallic microspheres and still-reacting agglomerates of thermite.
- Numerous vehicles were scorched or set on fire in the area. Photographic evidence shows that cars parked within the lower-level garage areas of the WTC complex burned as if impacted by a super-hot wind like that described by the eyewitnesses. All non-metallic parts of the cars, including the plastic, rubber, and glass, were completely burned off by a hot blast.
- There was a distinct “white smoke” present—clearly different from smoke caused by a normal structural fire—as indicated by eyewitnesses and photographic evidence.[2] The second major product of the thermite reaction is aluminum oxide, which is emitted as a white solid shortly after reaction.
- Peer-reviewed, scientific research confirmed the presence of extremely high temperatures at the WTC. The high temperatures were evidenced by metallic and other microspheres, along with evaporated metals and silicates. These findings were confirmed by 9/11 investigators and by scientists at an independent company and at the United States Geologic Survey.
- The elemental composition of the metallic microspheres from the WTC dust matches that of metallic microspheres produced by the thermite reaction.
- The environmental data collected at Ground Zero in the months following 9/11 indicate that violent incendiary fires, like those produced by thermite, occurred on specific dates. Peer-reviewed scientific analysis of these data show that the components of thermite spiked to extraordinary levels on specific dates in both the air and aerosol emissions at Ground Zero.
- Carbon nanotubes have been found in the WTC dust and in the lungs of 9/11 first responders. Formation of carbon nanotubes requires extremely high temperatures, specific metal catalysts, and carbon compounds exactly like those found in nanothermite formulations. Researchers have discovered that nanothermite produces the same kinds of carbon nanotubes. That finding has been confirmed by independent analysis in a commercial contract laboratory.
- A peer-reviewed scientific publication has identified the presence of nanothermite in the WTC dust. One of the critical aspects of that paper has been confirmed by an independent scientist. A visual comparison between nanothermite residues and particles found in the WTC dust is remarkable.
There is also a great deal of indirect evidence for the thermite theory. This includes the attempts by the government agency NIST to downplay the evidence for thermite. It also includes things like a weak effort by Rupert Murdoch’s National Geographic Channel to discredit the ability of thermite to cut structural steel, which was itself roundly discredited by an independent investigator. It is now unquestionable that thermite can cut structural steel as needed for a demolition.
Therefore, debunking the WTC thermite theory is not easy but is very straightforward. Doing so simply requires addressing the evidence listed above point by point, and showing in each case how an alternative hypothesis can explain that evidence better. Given the scientific grounding of the thermite theory, use of the scientific method, including experiments and peer-reviewed publications, would be essential to any such debunking effort.
That is almost certainly why we have seen no such debunking. Instead, the people working to refute the WTC thermite theory have resorted to what might be called a case study in how NOT to respond to scientific evidence.
The failed thermite theory debunkers have produced:
- Thousands of chat room comments and other posts yet not one peer-reviewed scientific article.
- Alternate hypotheses that have little or no evidence to support them. For example, the mini-nuke hypothesis and the “Star Wars Beam” hypothesis.
- Government scientists declaring that the evidence simply doesn’t exist.
- Attempts to exaggerate the meaning of the evidence, for example by saying that thermite or nanothermite could not have caused all of the effects seen at the WTC.
- Deceptive efforts to introduce the government contractors who created the official accounts as independent scientists.
The last of these methods has been the most popular. Trying to debunk the tenth piece of evidence for WTC thermite, NIST contractor James Millette produced an unreviewed paper that purports to replicate the finding of nanothermite in the WTC dust. This was apparently organized in the hope that doing so would discredit all of the evidence for thermite at the WTC.
Millette is well known for having helped create the official reports on the analysis of WTC dust. He was responsible for creating the form that was used to pre-screen all materials found in the dust prior to any analysis by official investigators. Those official reports did not mention any of the evidence listed above, in particular failing to report the abundant iron microspheres scattered throughout the WTC dust. Additionally, Millette’s official report team did not find any red-gray chips, let alone nanothermite.
As he worked to debunk the WTC thermite research, Millette was still unable to find any iron microspheres. But he did claim to have finally found the red-gray chips. Curiously, he did not attempt to replicate the testing that would determine if those chips were thermitic.
Claiming to have found the chips, Millette perfomed an XEDS analysis for elemental composition but failed to do any of the other tests including BSE, DSC, the flame test, the MEK test, or measurement of the chip resistivity. Having inexplicably “ashed” the chips at 400 °C in a muffle furnace, thereby proving that they were not the materials of interest (which ignite at 430 °C), Millette ignored the remainder of the study he had set out to replicate.
Because he did not do the DSC test, he could not do XEDS of the spheres formed from the chips. Since he had still not found spheres in the dust, he could not test those and this allowed him to ignore the testing of spheres from the thermite reaction.
Millette rested his case on FTIR, which I have also performed on chips from WTC dust but with a much different result. Like Millette’s paper, my FTIR work is not yet part of a peer-reviewed publication and therefore should not be taken as authoritative evidence. There has been less urgency to this supplemental work because what has been done to date has received no legitimate response from the government or from much of the scientific community. That sad fact should be the central point of discussion today.
In any case, Millette attempted only one tenth of the tests in his struggle to replicate (or refute) one tenth of the evidence for thermite at the WTC. His un-reviewed “one percent approach” was nonetheless very convincing to many people, including some of the people who produced the official reports for 9/11. But it is obvious to others that Millette’s work was not a replication in any sense of the word.
I’m looking forward to the peer-reviewed scientific article that finally does replicate the nanothermite paper or any of the other peer-reviewed scientific papers that document the evidence for thermite at the WTC. Hopefully, we can approach those efforts without concerns about the sources and without recalling all the deception and manipulation that preceded them.
Until then, it is important to recognize the difference between the superficial appearance of science and the actual practice of science. Ignoring 90 percent of the evidence is not scientific. And replication of the 10 percent means actually repeating the work.
If thermite debunkers and alternate hypothesis supporters can find the courage and focus to step through that challenge, maybe they can begin to add to the discussion.
Kevin Ryan is a chemist, former laboratory director, and prominent voice in the 9/11 Truth movement. You can read more his work at his blog. You can also watch his testimony to the Toronto Hearings on 9/11 here, his video on the parallels between 9/11 and Covid here and his interview as part of our Covid19/11 series here.
[1] Here are only a few examples of the hot wind:
“Then the dust cloud hits us. Then it got real hot. It felt like it was going to light up almost.” -Thomas Spinard, FDNY Engine 7
“A wave — a hot, solid, black wave of heat threw me down the block.” – David Handschuh, New York’s Daily News
“When I was running, some hot stuff went down by back, because I didn’t have time to put my coat back on, and I had some — well, I guess between first and second degree burns on my back.” -Marcel Claes, FDNY Firefighter
“And then we’re engulfed in the smoke, which was horrendous. One thing I remember, it was hot. The smoke was hot and that scared me” -Paramedic Manuel Delgado
“I remember making it into the tunnel and it was this incredible amount of wind, debris, heat….” -Brian Fitzpatrick FDNY Firefighter
“A huge, huge blast of hot wind gusting and smoke and dust and all kinds of debris hit me” -Firefighter Louis Giaconelli
“This super-hot wind blew and it just got dark as night and you couldn’t breathe” -Firefighter Todd Heaney
[2] For example, see Joel Meyerowitz, Aftermath: World Trade Center archive. Phaldon Publishing, London, p 178. See photograph of the event on 11/08/01 that shows a stunning and immediate change of cloud-like emissions from the pile, from dark smoke to white cloud.
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To sum up the various ‘refutation’ arguments presented below
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Argument 1) I don’t want to explain all the physical evidence for nanothermite so I’ll just ignore it and insist it was a nuke planted somewhere underground (for which no evidence exists) causing a top-down demolition by some esoteric means I see no need to describe.
Argument 2) I don’t want to explain all the physical evidence for nanothermite so I’ll just ignore it and assert the towers were evaporated by a secret DEW weapon located in an unknown place, utilizing unknown technology. My main evidence for this will be my claim that the amount of debris at GZ is too small to contain all the material from the towers, thus proving some of it was zapped out of existence. However I will ignore all the debris thrown out of the footprint and present in the upper basement levels. I will also do no calculations on how much debris was actually present and therefore have no actual idea if any was really missing at all. I will supplement this lacuna with lots of captioned photos.
Argument 3) I will make an attempt to explain the physical evidence for nanothermite by claiming it got there by accident when the aluminum plane impacted some rusty girders. You know, like how if you throw some carbon at a rusty fence post you can accidentally make a two-handed long sword.
Argument 4) I don’t need to explain all the physical evidence for nanothermite because it was all planted after the fact (someone faked the molten metal in the ST and then went across Lower Manhattan adding tons of iron spherules and red-gray chips to the blanket of dust, even going so far as to enter people’s apartments to do so). I am therefore going to believe a different conventional explosive, for which no evidence currently exists, was used instead.
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Have I missed anything?
Thank you. Gave me a laugh
Yes you did…
That it’s very important to discredit the thermite evidence, even at the cost of intellectual integrity? XD
I never wrote that the terrorists never used thermite!
i believe this is a motte and Bailey fallacy! A new one for my scrapbook.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy
If you want the ultimate proof that it was not a nuclear bomb, read Death Object which makes a strong case that nuclear bombs don’t actually exist!
If you want the ultimate proof that it was not a nuclear bomb, read the book “Death Object” by Akio Nakatani, which makes a strong case that atomic bombs don’t actually exist!
After the majority of the structural debris was moved to steel point Bridgeport CT where it was stored till it was then loaded on to ocean going barges then off to, “I couldn’t find out no matter how hard I dug” I wanted to get an up close look at what through binos from the highway literally matched the attack angle produced by the use of a shape charge in commercial demo, although that’s about as close as you could get to it, the entire area was fenced off with tarped chain link and guarded !
Glad to see Kevin distanced himself from Chandler and company… Says Kevin is not for sale
Imagine if the same type of How to Debunk Thermite on 9/11was applied to fake outspoken
shillswho appeared during covid.Interesting squabble.
They did it, its all we need to know.
First they did jakim and boas.
And now they did Mr and Mrs Nordstrom!
How they did it?
With explosives, of course!
Its recorded!
Boom, boom, boom, boom….
Who then?
The lady with the cookies, maybe…?
The official Pearl Harbor story is just as much nonsense as 9/11. A Japanese carrier fleet could sail across the Pacific undetected?
People can only swallow this because they believe: 1) it was long ago so the US didn’t have much surveillance (wrong – they had tons) 2) the Japanese maintained radio silence (they didn’t – not even close).
The US carriers happening to be at sea while the aging and redundant battleships were lined up for a turkey shoot was the sort of “luck” that might make one wonder if the Admiral in charge wasn’t called Silversteen….
What you’re not allowing for, Kevin, is pseudo-evidence pushed out to make it seem as though thermite was involved. Why would they use thermite? We can infer that Controlled Demolition, Inc, (CDI) the company hired to remove the rubble who holds world records for demolition of very large buildings and a safety record of which they are justifiably proud also had major involvement in bringing the buildings down. Why would they use a different method from normal?
To make the thermite hypothesis convincing, Kevin, what you need is evidence of a demolition outside the WTC done using thermite or otherwise the claim of thermite implies that just as no high rise steel frame buildings other than those at the WTC have come down by fire no high rise steel frame buildings other than those at the WTC have come down using thermite.
This YouTube video shows workers with flashlights that, seemingly, was used as fake evidence for thermite. Thermite produces a lot of light which we don’t see and seemingly, it doesn’t work well coming from the side and presumably not from the bottom either, it really only works when put on top of the thing it’s destroying according to this poster in response to a question on Quora about destroying a multi-storey building. This is destruction of a car done using thermite where we see molten steel and light. We do see what looks like molten steel dripping from one of the twin towers but that could be faked or done earlier or whatever. My feeling is that all the demolitions were done by pretty conventional means and WTC-7 is just the most perfect implosion you will ever see. It is truly magnificent.
“Thermite destroys by causing intense heat as it burns, setting fire to and/or melting whatever it is in contact with.
Because of this, it is really only useful for destroying things when you can place the thermite on top of something. Burning through something from the side would involve somehow keeping the thermite in place while it burned, which is very hard because whatever you are using to hold it in place will be subject to the same heat as the thing you are trying to destroy!”
Questions for the truthers
1. Why were deaths reported in WTCs 1, 2 and 3 but not in 4, 5 and 6 when we can see that all the buildings in the WTC on 9/11 were very badly damaged on the day and that deaths would have resulted in 4, 5 and 6 had they not been evacuated?
2a. If you don’t think Controlled Demolition, Inc (CDI), the company hired to remove the rubble, very likely played a major role in the demolition of the seven WTC buildings please say why.
2b. If you agree they would have been involved how do you explain operatives doing complete evacuations of some buildings at the WTC but not others?
I’ll go with “normal” demolitions because there simply doesn’t seem to be any convincing evidence otherwise.
Could a normal demolition, or a thermite one for that matter, have kept metal and rock molten for 3 months?
A “normal” one, no, almost certainly not. One using nanothermite or analogues thereof – yes, very possibly.
Of course Judy’s claim is there was no molten material and no heat. I don’t think she has as yet produced any data to support that contention.
For normal definitely not and I doubt thermite would either but other than the destruction of all the buildings at the WTC – and even there we are propagandised into believing it was really only 1, 2 and 7 that were destroyed when it was effectively all of them even if they weren’t all razed to the ground on the day – everything we are told about 9/11 we should take with a complete grain of salt. Why believe there was molten metal for months? They told us there was and they gave us some images suggesting it but so what? They showed us a plane melting into a building too.
There simply seems to be no reason to not do normal demolitions and all the evidence presented for thermite could easily be pseudo-evidence and some of it definitely is – so right there you have your contradiction. Where are the other buildings destroyed by thermite? Do they seriously expect us to believe thermite was used for building destruction only on 9/11? Come on.
“They” have never asked you to believe thermite was used. In fact “they” have devoted more disinfo campaigns, vitriol and ad hom to “debunking” thermite than any other 9/11 hypothesis.
What you do or don’t find persuasive is a matter for you but facts are facts. And the fact remains that the physical evidence is overwhelmingly consistent with the use of sophisticated nanothermite in the destruction of the towers.
You may posit other explosives or methods were used in conjunction – this is very possible – but the only reason to ignore or attempt to debunk this very strong physical evidence for nanothermite is either failure to comprehend its importance or intentional effort at deception.
The latter …
” … the physical evidence is overwhelmingly consistent with the use of sophisticated nanothermite in the destruction of the towers”
You’d you have to point me to that Sophie. A few burnt out cars, a few red-grey chips, witnesses, etc I don’t find convincing evidence and “peer-reviewed” anything – really? “Peer-reviewed” just makes me think fake.
I also point you to a video an image from which was used to promote molten steel that was fake.
The questions that needs answering but haven’t been are:
— Where is the footage of other buildings being brought down using thermite/nanothermite and if there isn’t any why not? Presumably, using thermite/nanothermite to bring down buildings is a “thing” not something they did uniquely on 9/11. If it’s not a “thing” I find it very hard to believe that they’d do it for the first time on 9/11. I’d also ask why? Why not just use tried and trusted methods. I hope you’re onboard with the idea that CDI was a major player in the destruction of the seven WTC buildings, hope you’re onboard with that. If not, why not and if not, do you have any ideas about who would be major players in that massive operation?
— Why would the use of thermite/nanothermite result in long term molten steel?
As the article states, this is the physical evidence, unless you can find a single hypothesis that better explains it all then some type of nanothermite will remain the only plausible answer. This does not, of course, rule out additional methods of destruction being employed.
Other buildings: You are getting distracted.
Material molten for months: You should have looked it up long ago.
What we need to get clear on mgeo is:
1. What they tell us
2. What they show us
3. What’s real
“Why” they used thermite doesn’t matter love. They did. It’s there in the dust. All you’re doing is playing their game for them
Probably old news Petra but are you familiar with Andrew Johnson
s Check The Evidence website? He
s a friend and champion of Judy Wood so if that doesn`t put you off check him out -lots of free material.Well Funded
Since the fictitious fuel from the fictitious planes was not convincing they had reasonably well funded physicists and others devise the thermite hypothesis. This hypothesis is deliberately vague on how and where the thermite was installed and how it was ignited. The “evidence” of iron spherules and red gray chips implies unfettered access to ground zero by inquisitive free minded investigators in the immediate aftermath of the false flag black op. Was this true ? I remember media reports saying that geiger counters were not allowed in the area. What were the sample sizes ? Can the chain of custody be proved ?
Does the presence of these substances rule out other simpler to implement methods ?
Free inquiry would of course lead inevitably towards nuclear demolition. After all vast arsenals of weapons existed as well as the pits (the spherical plutonium cores of these weapons) of decommisioned weapons in facilities such as the Pantex plant in the “panhandle” of Texas. A chap called Khalezov was allowed to postulate the use of a large weapon in a cavern under each tower. The implementation problems of this scheme as well it’s inability to explain the progressive top down pulverisation of the towers were of course immediately apparent. The next step would of course have logically been the resurrection and use of the small sub kiloton variable yield W54 warhead. This device was produced in large numbers in the 50’s and 60’s. It was at the heart of the nuclear backpack and the Davy Crockett nuclear field artillery weapons. It was tested and proven. It could be triggered remotely or by timers, the former obviously the more flexible option. The variable yield feature would permit smaller explosions in the lighter upper floors and larger ones below. They could be installed in an hour or less by four men with backpacks. They could be detonated in timed top down sequences such that debris from the earlier higher explosions hid the lower explosions. Fallout would be limited. Health effects could be blamed on the asbestos and other toxic stuff in the dust.
The beauty and simplicity of the W54 explanation was of course the reason something vague and easy to shoot down had to be promoted. Enter Judy Wood and her undefined DEW theories. We have one of her apostles on this thread. I have encountered others over the last two decades. Judy Wood was and maybe still is a nominal no planer. In the good old days when no planers congregated on forums, some bemoaned the fact she spent all her time on DEW and not a minute on the “simple math” that would demonstrate
the wings would have sheared off and the fuselage would have crumpled on impact. The cover up is a multi layered affair.
My acceptance of Peer Review as a yardstick is crumbling. It took a battering from the ‘covid’ psyop… Could Peer Review be relied on anymore than reliance on Experts ?
Or is it, Experts are OK so long as they dont work for a government, or major corporation ? (Our Experts, Their Experts ? Who you gonna believe?)…
Clearly Medical Experts and Peer Reviewed medical papers cant be trusted (Big Pharma having corrupted that industry), but other Experts and Peer Review are OK, or they are until challenged…
Of course, i’m no expert..I rely on others expertise to indicate who the believable Experts are In This Age of Doubt…
Peer review morphed already into pal review in the Pharma and Climate fields clearly. Who knows what old boys clubs in the past hid? Alpha males dominate many science fields too through sheer institutional power, grant money disbursement, promotions etc.
Homo sapiens scientificus is not a different species alas, it can’t be, same funda-metal flaws including the limited mental.
Funny how my fellow MMS still “think” that thermite could transform this
into DUST… And melt underground rock and keep underground temperatures above +400 to +700ºC (+800 to +1340ºF) for days (at least a FULL WEEK).
Yeap… thermite did it!!!
That is ALL STEEL… not aluminum!
Uau… Now there is a SPECIAL BLEND of nano thermite!
What’s the recipe?
The composition of the unreacted and highly energetic red-gray chips has been thoroughly described. You can find a link to the description in the article.
That I had already read a long time ago! That just explains the use of special thermite for the steel cutting part…
And to keep temperatures like these for many days…
Did they kept on igniting special thermite?
And clearly they also used special thermite to melt underground (under the bottom of the base of the towers) rocks!
You’re just lumping thermite, which has verified physical evidence, together with this nuke stuff, which is just speculation. It’s important to delineate established facts from speculation or, whether you mean to or not, you’re having the effect of discrediting by association.
Nano thermite is not the same as thermite. And the Star Wars ray weapon hypothesized by some, particularly Judy Wood, did not produce high temps, per the advocates of that hypothesis. A nuke would have created a definite signature.
we’re talking about specifically engineered compounds that have potentially a mix of thermitic/explosive properties here, not ur standard thermite mix.
and a lot more of it than has ever been tested in one spot.
What’s the recipe?
So, what was all the nanothermite doing in the dust? How did it get there? Who put it there? What for?
My fellow MMS have a really huge problem with READING/UNDERSTANDING!
Never have I written that these tools weren’t used in the controlled demolition of the buildings. They are JUST not the main tool for the job.
Could you explain pls how a nuke at the base of the towers would initiate a top down implosion?
The levels of tritium were barely above background. Iodine-131, an essential component of a nuke diagnosis, was almost entirely lacking. The relatively high levels of radium in certain hot spots in Manhattan is often cited as evidence for nukes — but radium is NOT produced by a detonated nuke. It is however produced by many industrial processes.
The unique signature of a nuclear reaction was just not there!
All this has been said many times already, to little effect it seems.
Simple representation…
Just like I already told the Admins… You also need to READ more about these FUN uman experiments! Forget TV and Off-G articles!
No offence but what is all this MMS bollocks? You’re always talking about it and I don’t know what it is.
The how is not as important as the simple fact that it was a controlled demolition to get rid of asbestos laden towers, that were no longer productive assets.
No planes, no terrorists, no Saudi funding required. Exotic technology is not required.
US television shows of controlled demolitions were common in the mid 1990s, showing the failures as well as successes.
A simple insurance scam by the owner, that the war mongers used as a casus belli for an indefinite global war.
Arguing over technical details keeps the focus off the war criminals and the criminal landlord.
No structure of the size of the twin towers has been brought down by conventional controlled demolition methods. The top down pulverisation of towers 1 & 2 was unique.
And how many structures of the size of the twin towers have been brought down by nukes?
Two we know of.
Can you name them?
Weren’t they in the Circular Logic District, Lower Manhattan?
It looks like it 😀
No longer productive assets? Is that why they sold soon before the event?
So the War on Terror was just a happy coincidence?
Occult ritual.
Certainly inspired by supremacist dogma, and prophecy. A spiritual war.
Again?!
Explosives and Thermite were just the adjuvants for the MAIN demolition… nuke.
Unfortunately you need to provide evidence or you’re just another bit of white noise distraction. Where is the evidence for nukes? Where are the immediate deaths from radiation? The unique signatures of a nuclear reaction? Both conspicuously absent
Why you persist in pretending that an underground nuclear explosion cause the same effects as an air nuclear one is just funny… is at the same level as you persisting in using a face mask after plenty of available evidence that they don’t do shyte!
I already showed you references and other small bits of information EASY to find online that if you take time to read and understand might help… or not!
Voz, any links you’d care to share?
Why?!?!?
https://www.onlinenevada.org/articles/underground-nuclear-testing-nevada-test-site
https://www.sciencephoto.com/media/879355/view/urta-bulak-gas-well-underground-nuclear-explosion-animation
And the FUNNIER ONE (clue to how to vaporize steel via fracturing!!!)
https://www.amusingplanet.com/2022/05/natural-gas-extraction-by-nuclear.html
More than enough… for what it’s worth!
If you want you can ALSO find many published papers and videos done in those Glorious Days!
It’s a bit of a leap to go from this to two nukes beneath the wtc basin which set off two perfect top-down collapses (while situated underneath the towers, no less) and didn’t leave any physical evidence beyond mildly raised tritium levels and some rock patterns (which we’re assuming weren’t there already? I’m confused about that).
it’s certainly not up the academic/scientific standard outlined in the article above, which is what’s noteworthy.
Yes, there are unexplained features to the collapses, but I think the mechanism of nukes in this scenario is so hazy as to be in the realms of sci-if. A2
Yes… A special blend of nano-thermite DID all the work! At least on the 1st two towers!
Indeed… sci-fi also explains it.
If it was a murder investigation, you’d follow the evidence (Thermite in this analogy) Or… you could chuck out the only verified scientific evidence you had and blame a time travelling Jack the Ripper (magic nukes, magic DEWs, space beams etc. in this analogy)
Nukes, even underground, would have created radio pulses picked up by meters and radio transmissions elsewhere.
Well… They do create signals but are very small to be detected by none specific instruments!
Have a FUN read:
LOL!
(Ah didn’t see you’d replied, Sophie)
Indeed, Voz 0db, why not follow the steps in the article and supplement the sole peer-reviewed alt. evidence relating to the towers’ collapse, thermite, with your own peer-reviewed evidence relating to nukes, rather than risk allowing yourself to be perfectly encapsulated by bullet point one from the “Failed thermite theories debunkers have produced” list, above? 😀 A2
wouldn’t a nuke have an emp effect?
– A single underground nuclear explosion demolished each of the 3 WTC buildings. The surrounding rock shielded all the primary radiation: beta, X and gamma. The pressure wave pulverised about 85% of each Tower instantly, i.e., excluding the top 50m and one lower corner. As this remaining top portion fell, it (a) caused the quick destruction and billowing of dust (b) crushed itself, producing the cracking sounds reported. I explained this in detail a 26-part video that Youtube rermoved.
– The authorities prohibited cameras and radiation detectors at the site. Official measurements of radioactivity remain unpublished. Alpha radiation from particles carried up by heated air and vapour caused the subsequent cancers.
–Dimitri Khalezov, veteranstoday.com, 2011
– The destruction entailed at least 2 types of nuclear weapons. A standard micro nuke had a capacity of 3 kT, perhaps set to blast limit as low as 0.5 kT. In a thermobaric version, iron oxide powder converted gamma, X-ray, and neutron radiation into plama and heat at ~1 million degrees C, contained and directed by the central steel frame. In each Tower 200 ft wide, this produced a plasma fireball ~150 ft across. The iron oxide also boosted the EMP, most of which the steel structures absorbed. The overall result was structural steel vapourised at ~50 ton of steel per kilotonne of energy.
– On cooling, the iron from the structures turned into microscopic granules. The structural elements left were twisted as they had lost structural strength. The iron oxide powder in the weapons also contributed to reducing radioactive fallout to a low level within several days.
–Ian Greenhalgh & Don Fox, veteranstoday.com, 2020
VT are a known spook outfit.
What they’re saying is “It was a nuke for definite and the reason there’s no bloody evidence for one is this bollocks I just made up”.
How did the chips of unreacted thermite get in the dust? Who cares – it was a nuke because a couple of ex-Marines say so on the basis of sweet FA
Yeap… Just pasting myself!
Well… They do create signals but are very small to be detected by none specific instruments!
Have a FUN read:
While absolutely nothing can preempt hard core scientific data in determining how something happened (in this case controlled thermite demolition), I wish greater emphasis could now be placed on the biggest stumbling block to the thermite hypothesis: when was it planted.
I have read a number of reports tangential to the central hypothesis which suggest the Towers recently had had major electrical work; as well as reports of periods of fairly sparse commercial activity.
I believe the time has come, now that the thermite hypothesis is pretty firmly established, to shift the focus to these other aspects so as to establish beyond a reasonable doubt when and how the thermite could have been planted.
(Apologies if that’s already in the works.)
This has been addressed by others already as well.
Specifically who owned the buildings, who was contracted for security, and when, and relationships that have an agenda for a “War on Terror”.
Because it is more obvious than ever, that the crime of 9-11, was executed by a state sponsored agency or agencies, the idea anyone will be held accountable, is as likely as the same happening for the JFK assassination.
Have to focus on naming people, calling them out, so that their remaining time on this world is not comfortable.
Muslim passports is the material that we’re going to use to build our 1st MARS colony!
If you want an evidence based perspective on 9-11, that focuses on people, and not so much mechanics, then check this out:
https://youtu.be/DFS_no1M2Rs
Must also ask, or research, who was the primary, if not only, holder of the nano thermite technology in 2001. It is my understanding that this tech was cutting edge at the time and not widely available.
Oklahoma was a test run. However not all the devices went off as they were supposed to. The US gov’t bombed a creche and blamed it on a patsy.
With all the atrocities done by the US and other western gov’ts over the years, isn’t it time the masses realised that it is they who are under attack….from their own gov’ts, which are stuffed to the gills with NWO spies.
All governments are stuffed with the cult’s spies.
“Stuffed” is the word. They are literally everywhere.
Yes. True. The Oklahoma bombing was NOT caused by a rented truck full of fertilizer. The story may have been good fertilizer, but the building was bombed from the inside.
Coincidence seems to happen every time there’s a terrorist on the loose…
I have a relevant anecdote. I think Professor Partington is now deceased so he will not mind my sharing it. He chose the Thermite Reaction as a PhD research topic at Imperial College, London back in the 80’s. I often visited him in the lab and then we would discuss his progress over a few pints in South Kensigton pubs. (He was already a Professor in Hong Kong, but for full sinecure needed to pick up the PhD on top of his two other degrees.)
His work was explicitly connected to use of high pressure and various Thermite formulations to generate and sustain very high temperatures. On one occasion a blob of Thermite escaped the containment…
His laboratory floor was constructed from a thick, solid steel and so was the floor beneath – the Thermite burned a hole through, dropped onto the lower floor… and burned a hole through that as well. It stopped only when the reaction was complete.
As you can imagine, he was not the flavour of the month! He did however get a “live test result” for his supervisor. You can guess what he eventually thought about 911. 😉
One had some fantasies about how much thrust one might produce from this reaction of inert powders to power a rocket stage, and considerations of the energy potential in common old rust, but that is another story.
The only Professor Partington I can dig up online died in 1965.
James Riddick Partington (30 June 1886 – 9 October 1965) was a British chemist and historian of chemistry
Can you point me to the work of the prof Partington that was alive in the 1980’s ?
Well, the controlled demolition (shaped charge) theory can’t have been all that convincing since you are now proposing an alternative thermite theory. [no we aren’t – ed]
Thermite is a composition of metal powder and metal oxide, so yes, there was certainly plenty of metal powder and metal oxide when those WTC buildings suddenly disintegrated, can’t deny that.
Yes, but how could thermite destroy or irreparably damage all 7 WTC buildings in such a short space of time? How much thermite would you need?
And wouldn’t be more visible? I mean a thermite reaction is extremely, blindingly bright, usually with lots of sparks. Where is the video and photographic evidence for that?
Yes, there were lots of “toasted” cars, some of them had “melted” engines. But these weren’t normal fires. Even in the photo you presented above (top left hand corner) shows how weird these fires were. Not everything that glows is hot, the aluminium cladding and all that paper seem unaffected. There’s a good photo of West Broadway, lots of paper strewn all over the place, the traffic lights are still working, and all the green leaves still on the trees, only the cars parked on either side are “toasted”. How could that be? Well, the traffic lights and the trees were all grounded, whereas the cars on their rubber tyres were insulated. None of the cars that were found upside down (because there were also recorded cases of levitation) were otherwise undamaged.
The satellite photo is is inexplicable, location E (WTC building 3) is marked as having a temperature of 819 deg. F. Yet, location E (WTC 3) at the time was inundated with water (a water mains had burst), so some mistake must have been made in that reading.
As for fires erupting at Ground Zero for months after 9/11, well, what kind of fires were they? From the first day, Ground Zero was teeming with first responders, various services, hydraulic equipment, oxygen hoses, etc., etc. It can’t have been all that hot. Actually I don’t think there were any reported cases of burns. Yes, volunteers were delivering new boots because the steel toecaps in first responders’ boots were “melting”, but no reports of burnt feet.
I think I’ve covered most of the points, don’t have any peer-reviewed paper (like they need for climate change or pandemic theories) to back me up, I’m not even a scientist, but my arguments based on verifiable facts, and actually it’s all been explained long ago by Judy Wood.
Yes, Judy Wood precisely: it is bizarre 21 years on ,and 12 years after Wood’s 2010 book and photos that the Thermitians are posing as the last word in iconoclasm although the likes of Usher on this website make it all too easy.. And stop implying that a mini-nuke is a directed energy weapon.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Judy_Wood
“Dr Wood’s observation of the destruction of the World Trade Center on 11 September 2001 led her to the conviction that the towers did not collapse but were “dustified” by a directed energy weapon. According to her, dustification involves molecular dissociation and transmutation.
In a whole series of lectures and media appearances[1], Wood has maintained that the debris pile was nowhere near tall enough to account for the aggregate mass of the towers and their contents. Rather, she states, the towers were pulverized[note 1] in mid-air and simply blew away on the breeze.
On her web site, Wood presents a 41-point list of “The principal evidence that must be explained.” It includes (point 9) “The upper 80 percent, approximately, of each tower was turned into fine dust and did not crash to the earth”, and (point 6) “The seismic impact was minimal, far too small based on a comparison with the Kingdome controlled demolition.”[2]
She consistently declines to speculate about the exact nature of the weapon involved[3], where it was situated or who operated it. Her position is that, as a scientist, her role is to determine what happened that day. Others might or might not address those more political questions.
In 2010 her 544-page book Where Did the Towers Go? Evidence of Directed Free-energy Technology on 9/11 was published by “The New Investigation”
But this is just more of the same handwaving Ryan describes above.
Your facts quoted here are not facts. One is an unsubstantiated allegation, the other a groundless speculation. You use assertion, grand-standing and sales pitches in place of data and analysis, and at the same time you refuse even to address the solid data cited above.
To be taken seriously Wood needs to
a) provide a well-sourced factual alternative hypothesis to cover the multiple lines of data consistent with thermite.
b) provide basic calculations and solid evidence for her currently purely speculative claim for missing debris (pictures of debris piles with no attempt at quantification do not count).
So far she has produced nothing definable as science or even solid sourced guesswork
By the way – why is it acceptable for Wood to decline to speculate even about what her claimed new weapon might be, while Steven Jones was expected to not simply prove the overwhelming probability of thermite (which he did) but account for the exact amount used, who put it there, when and how?
An energy weapon would not have resulted in large steel columns being cast off horizontally for hundreds of feet, or in molten metals on the scene. Judy Wood made a point of claiming evidence for either of those was faked, but it’s pretty overwhelming. Not to mention numerous steel columns shown laying on the site of the WTC afterwards, till they were shipped off quickly to China.
Russia probable is hoping the USA doesnt include any of those directed energy weapons in with all the other weaponry it is supplying Ukraine with. They’d be a “game changer” for sure !
I think people like Judy Wood push certain theories as a distraction from the mountains of evidence that 9-11 was literally an inside job.
Meaning the people that owned the buildings, managed security, key people in NYC, key people in US intelligence, and a single, or group of, state sponsored organization(s), executed the crime of 9-11.
People like the group managing security, while renovations were taking place (Renovations being a theme similar with the Pentagon), had the time, and access, to place every device needed to cause the buildings to free fall into their own footprint. The security contractor had known ties to people that wanted a “War on Terror”.
Israelites are terrible dancers.
This is just one example of many.
Yes, there’s tons of evidence that 9/11 was an inside job. I’m certainly not disputing it. Not just a false flag, not just the Patriot Act, not just the ridiculous rigmarole we have to go through airports to this day, not just the excuse to start pointless wars and restrict civil rights at home, it’s the missing trillions, the destruction of incriminating evidence (not only the WTC, but also the Pentagon), unbelievable corruption, and the deliberate destruction of all seven buildings of the WTC. And loads of people knew about it, not only Larry Silverstein, not only those three Israelis, probably Mossad gofers, foolishly dancing when it happened.
Yes, so if wanted all seven buildings destroyed and make a maximum profit on it, you’d try to do it by the most efficient means without incurring collateral damage (in terms of property, not necessarily human lives).
So in way are Judy Woods scientific observations of what actually happened a distraction? I don’t follow your line of reasoning
Wood’s observations are not really scientific, or she’d apply basic scientific method and calculate a rubble deficit and publish some quantifiable research.
911 truthers who have demonstrated the science get picked apart for not answering every single unknown, yet apparently Wood gets a free pass to practice theory/hypothesis-free token ‘science’ via citation-free photo-essay, inference, character assassination, and random uncorroborated Hutchinson videos of non-science experiments claiming to demonstrate antigravity or substances alleged to be metals behaving suspiciously as if they are in fact melting polystyrene.
It’s all very, very confusing to me. A2
Well, that’s your opinion. Judy Wood has a PhD in mechanical engineering, IIRC, so most definitely a scientist. Had a university post, has since lost it for her efforts, so much for a free ticket. I honestly don’t know from what pedestal you and Sophie are speaking when you’re talking about science, but no, it’s not just a “photo-essay”, it is an extensive collection of evidence and a review of all the various theories as to what actually happened when the WTC was destroyed. Photos and videos are also evidence, including exactly the same photo which appears at the top of the above article, except a very different interpretation – everyone, including admin, is free to decide which interpretation is more convincing, but we don’t need to dismiss others as unscientific tricksters and cheats.
To be clear, Admin never ‘dismissed’ anyone as a ‘trickster’ or as a ‘cheat’. Admin have done nothing to impede people making up their own minds, except ask for sources from Wood’s adherents in past threads and point out Wood’s verifiable lack of scientific method. Putting words in my mouth certainly isn’t helping, Jozef.
In short:
Which university was Wood placed at, do we know? A2
To be clear, I’ll cite you directly from from the previous post:
In so many words, that’s dismissing two people, and you do so to dismiss the pertinent evidence that they produce. In typical journalistic style, you do this by allusion.
For details about Wood’s academic credentials, you can look up her Facebook page – first Virginia Tech, then Clemson University, and now she’s in the Society for Experimental Mechanics. He specialisation when she was still teaching at uni, included interferometry in forensic science, and she has authored or co-authored over 60 peer-reviewed papers and journal publications in her areas of expertise. But enough about her, and enough about Hutchison, who indeed looks and behaves like an oddball, and yet whose earlier experiments are still very relevant and interesting.
It’s funny how you always look at the individual and not at the evidence. Yet it’s the latter you should only be interested in.
The above article challenges readers to debunk the thermite hypotheses, which I attempted to do in my first post, but Admin only reacted to the fact that I mentioned Wood – like a red rag to a bull. It’s really unimportant who Wood and Hutchison are, it’s only the arguments she presents that count.
And come on, what kind of world do you think we’re living in? A scientist presents forensic evidence that counters the US government’s official version of events, events that led to bloody and pointless wars, including the longest war in US history, events that left over 3,000 US citizen’s dead on the very first day. And you think such a person will get brownie points? You expect her work should be peer-reviewed? Look at the track-records of universities so far. Actually, universities have always been the same, be they public or private.
I have consistently focused on Wood’s lack of scientific evidence. You are the one focusing on personalities here. 😂
If we’ve established Wood does indeed have scientific credentials then there’s really no excuse. Science dictates you form a hypothesis and then try to disprove it. Wood has no hypothesis, as you yourself have admitted. You also can’t counter a working hypothesis (thermite) with a gish gallop of unfalsifiable speculation, kettle logic, complex questions, inexpert testimony, inference, character assassination, hearsay and apples vs oranges comparison.
Just to be ultra clear, Wood’s is not some different form of science or logic, it is NOT science. By definition. Not MY definition, a definition created by minds much greater than mine and taught over hundreds of years.
You really can’t argue it both ways, if Wood is a scientist and chooses to disregard the basic scientific method there are serious problems and no excuses. If it’s presented to the layman as somehow legit then this is misleading and it deserves to be described as ‘token’ science.
You are also gish galloping and I’d appreciate if you’d keep on track. You made no attempt to seriously counter the bullet points I made, only to deflect and focus on personalities (while having the cheek to accuse me of the same XD).
Unless you choose to counter my above bullet points with factual content (and in the process contradict past statements you’ve made), then perhaps our conversation has run its course right now? A2
Ps. the thermite discovery received peer-review, and corroboration from an independent lab. When you make excuses for Wood’s lack of the same it further demonstrates the double standard I alluded to earlier. All very strange! A2
Yes, you have consistently focused on a supposed lack of evidence, but not on the actual evidence, even when it’s staring you in the face. For instance, the photo at the top of this article, which certainly does not show thermite reactions, but much more ghostly flames and small ringlets of fire.
The first stage of scientific procedure is careful observation. You’re insisting that you don’t see anything.
We have repeatedly asked for the basic data to support the contention of missing debris. You have admitted there is no such data. In 16 years of hawking her hypothesis and writing a 500 page book, Judy Wood has apparently not one time ever quantified her own claim. She has apparently never calculated the expected amount of debris or calculated how much debris was actually present in the footprint, sub basements and surrounding – very wide – debris field.
This is minimal. Without this data she has no scientific evidence. Which is no doubt why she has never written or submitted a scientific paper (on this subject -Ed.)
The photo is just that – a photo. A flat, unclear image, potentially misleading, subject to multiple interpretations. You think it shows a type of magic fire previously unknown outside John Hutchinson’s videos. Others think it shows molten metal.
Neither can be proven at this distance, which is why photos alone are not admissible in place of hard evidence. And yet it’s just these subjective, non-specific, open-to-multiple-interpretations photos that seems to form the majority of Wood’s “evidence”. 🤷🏻♀️
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FScientific_method&psig=AOvVaw399aS_dFS0Q1WexeKcqbsf&ust=1664714291662000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=2ahUKEwiu2KmRhr_6AhVNx4sKHeo8ARUQjRx6BAgAEAs
Thankfully observation does not include one photograph, but all the available evidence, for instance, the number of first responders suffering from burns. Besides the sheer amount of video and photographic evidence is absolutely sufficient data to explain the absence of debris – at least generally, without having to formulate a hypothesis. Everything in due course. You’re simply denying that there is any evidence, even when it’s staring you in the face.
You have not even shown there was any absence of debris! To do that you need to make the calculations repeatedly stipulated. Photos of a small part of the footprint are worthless on their own because you can’t see how much debris is outside the footprint.
How can anyone looking at such photos possibly tell if the pile is high enough? Based on what? Guesswork? At bare minimum you need photographs of the entire debris field plus basement areas, & then you need to make some calculations to assess how much, if anything, is missing.
Just presenting some pix of part of a rubble pile at unknown resolution and unknown distance and captioning them “phew, where did the towers go?” is Bernaysian manipulation, tabloid science not real science, designed to appeal to irrational, emotive and prejudicial thinking rather than rational analysis.
Sorry to be so brutal, but it’s just true.
The towers stood over 400 m tall, 1,240,000 m2 of office space, together, over a million tons. If they had collapsed vertically, how high should the pile of rubble have been? Do you have the calculations for that? What are the chances of the rubble stacking up vertically, and not spilling out onto neighbouring buildings? Why were the bottom sections of the steel outside perimeter and aluminium cladding jutting out at Ground Zero? How did 14 people manage to survive at the bottom of North Tower stairwell B? Do you know the answers to these questions?
Why was there so much dust?
Further to Admin 1, yes, we need a study on photographing a range of chemical reactions, accounting for camera/lens used, light level, exposure settings, motion blur, depth of field, distance and scale etc. This would be evidence, if it supported your assertion.
Otherwise it’s just your word against ours and, of the visual evidence I’ve seen, I thinks this and other reactions photographed in the collapses (showers of sparks and red molten metal pouring from windows) are very consistent with thermite.
And the published scientific evidence bears that out.
So please come back with something tangible, as requested, and enough with the bald assertions/false attribution.
I elect we close this thread unless something solid is forthcoming. It’s only indulging argumentum ad nauseum otherwise.
A2
She worked at Clemson for a while.
Having worked on NSF funded projects at CIT, MIT and Stanford, I can assert confidently that having a PhD doesn’t make anyone infallible or always accurate.
Self proclaimed experts that aren’t questioned by MSM, or authorities, should always be suspect.
Universities aren’t exactly bastions of truth these times.
An old designation of our problem:
Ex = x = an unknown quantity
Spurt = a drip under pressure
Therefore, an expert is an unspecified drip under pressure.
Fits perfectly.
A distraction, in the sense that the details of how the buildings were destroyed, as a whole topic, is a distraction. More deatails are not required to determine who or why.
There is enough evidence, circumstantial, or otherwise, to determine that 9-11 was a crime scene, a deliberate act, and there are numerous suspects with motive and opportunity.
Bottom line, no one with any sense of engineering and building construction, could argue that the destruction of WTC wasn’t a controlled demolition. The Pentagon has at best, circumstantial evidence, that a plane hit the Pentagon. With cameras being disabled because of renovations.
I think we need to focus on the people and break them down. When people with motive and opportunity are allowed a free pass, all the details become irrelevant.
More deatails are not required to determine who or why.
Yes, so why haven’t they been arrested, tried and convicted. Are you still holding your breath? In the meantime, we may also discuss how it happened and that is the actual topic of the above article. So I shouldn’t be on topic because it’s a “distraction”.
> the controlled demolition (shaped charge) theory can’t have been all that convincing since you are now proposing an alternative thermite theory
why not a combo?
also there is a whole field of specifically engineered explosives that modify both the concussive and thermitic properties, so it could easily have been a relatively novel compound that has properties of both.
Almost everything including flexible office wall insulation, furniture, etc. became dust. The exception was paper.
Inaccurate. Yes there was widespread pulverization, implying massive explosive power, but some of the debris was in quite large chunks or coarse dust as well as powder. The steel certainly did not become dust. As to the paper, how did it behave unexpectedly? Some certainly did not burn – but all of it? What evidence is there for that?
On what are you basing this certainty? My eyes could be deceiving me but it appears that is what is happening in the following video. Besides the implausibility of any (static-based?) instant-dust-depositing mechanism, note the initial swaying/tilting and buckling leaving no floating dust trail in the air:
Being no scientist, I don’t know why this would not count as evidence but I am sure you have a good reason.
EDIT: The failing embed apparently does not include the timestamp, which is at 3:24.
EDIT 2: How about a Preview function?
What proportion of all materials in the 2 Towers, including steel, turned into dust instantly? Does thermite explain that?
The answer generally seems to be ‘too much’ and anything more specific than that is hard to pin down! 😂
One would’ve thought that the central pillar to any theory involving dust and the towers would require estimating some comparative figures. How much dust we saw vs. how much we should have expected to see.
But it always seems to be kept rather hazy. Funny that. 🤷♂️ A2
Of course not…
The only source of energy with sufficient power to cause that effect on steel is… Maybe some Admin can figure this one out from the previous comments exchanged with me.
It’s the same source that can do this to ROCKS!
Doesn’t explain how building 7 called (Solomon) came down..
Doesn’t need to! Everyone* knows that WTC7 came down due to office furniture fire…
*The minority that knows that WTC7 was also “demolished”!
It certainly could do so, if it indicates a far greater and more focused destructive power available to our ‘authorities’ than we previously thought.
It is obviously conceivable that something similar could be even more focused upon small areas and vaporize them.
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Case close.
Still the hijacked airplanes stole the show (and the truth), which is also that CIA elements allowed them to fly into x,y,z, albeit for their own purposed – legal full spectrum surveillance of all global net connected persons including all US citizens, so their own oversight politicians, bureaucrats, press etc.
Notice that Wall street and the Federal Reserve Bank of NY were left untouched: that would be too close to home.
The thing is, they don’t care.
They know we know the truth.
And they don’t care.
We are a swivel -eyed lunatic fringe as far as the majority of people is concerned.
The majority being the important point.
As a tardy and humble convert to A&Efor911Truth, I treasure these words by Kevin Ryan:
“it is important to recognize the difference between the superficial appearance of science and the actual practice of science.”
I also note his link between Con-911 and Con-19:
“his video on the parallels between 9/11 and Covid here and his interview as part of our Covid19/11 series here.”
Saying that the evidence is consistent with thermite is not quite the same as showing that it definitely WAS thermite.
To do that, you have to show that no other explanation is possible.
I must say that it would be an expensive experiment to build a steel structure akin to a WTC tower for the sole purpose of fixing it up with nanothermite to determine whether a collapse would be in effect identical to what happened on 9/11.
You probably need to build three. One to test nanothermite alone, one to test mini nukes alone and one to test both together.
Is it worth spending $30bn odd to test a scientific hypothesis?
Perhaps Bill Gates, in his infinite philanthropic patriotism, would fund it??
It’s impossible to show “no other explanation is possible”, because that involves proving a negative which can’t be done. No matter how many alternative explanations you disprove there remains the remote possibility of another that can’t be disproved.
That’s not how the scientific method works. Once you have compiled a body of evidence demonstrably consistent with thermite it becomes up to others to show alternative explanations that fit this body of evidence equally well or even better, and until they do the thermite theory remains scientifically unchallenged and must be considered the most likely explanation.
Plus Sophie and others post Actual evidence of thermite and thermite-related chemical products found in the rubble. Seeking “alternative explanations” is looking for gold at the end of a rainbow in a desperate attempt to be patch a fairy tale together.
Scale Model
You don’t need to build a full scale tower to test the hypothesis. You could build a 2.5% scaled model, about 30 feet high. It should be possible to demonstrate what would happen if thermite were used.
So you are proposing to build a 30ft scale model of the towers, perfectly reproducing the specific design and load-bearing functions, complete with elevator shafts and basement areas, using the same steel, concrete, aluminum etc, and then rig it with nanothermite and implode it.
I applaud your bold thinking!
But wait – what are the odds you get it right first time? How many 30ft perfect replica towers will you need to construct and implode before you hit the optimum way to use the nanothermite to reproduce the 9/11 implosion or alternatively prove to a reasonable degree of certainty it can’t be done?
I don’t discourage your endeavor, on the contrary I would be very interested in following your progress, but I warn you it might take considerable time and beaucoup bucks.
Assuming the terrorist angle and that the US is basically an abandoned piece of land, it’s amazing the whole place hasn’t burned to the ground. We also had a WTC attack in 1993. This LA Times article is still interesting; 10/14/2001 LA Times, “Haunted by Years of Missed Warnings,” LA Times, By Stephen Braun, Bob Drogin, Mark Fineman, Lisa Getter, Greg Krikorian and Robert J. Lopez, Times Staff Writers
“As suspected terrorists traversed the US over a decade, signs pointing to their plans went unheeded until after the attacks were carried out.”
https://web.archive.org/web/20030812200356/http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-101401warn,0,999276.story#
“As suspected terrorists traversed the US over a decade, signs pointing to their plans went unheeded until after the attacks were carried out.”
How true: POTU$A Bush, Clinton and Shrub Bush traversed the U$A for over a decade while their plans to commit terrorist atrocities at home and abroad went unheeded; certainly unsuspected by myself until awoken by Kevin Ryan and fellow scientists in AE911Truth.
They seem to neglect the fact that the 1993 “terrorists” were CIA assets. Oh well. No one has room for facts on those tiny cell phone screens…
The common link between all these “events” be they 9/11, CV19 or whatever is that the establishment uses them to justify spending even more of our money and seizing even more of our liberties. They produce a ratchet effect that never goes away.
No one is ever held accountable but by an amazing coincidence someone gets very wealthy.
In a nutshell.
“Money is not made in the light” — Heartbreak House.
9/11 was an occult ritual of human sacrifice. If you have any doubts about the would-be controllers using numerology, please see this video by Mark Passio. Starting at 1hr44, he shows how precisely the date, the chosen flight numbers of the planes, etc. were part of this masonic ritual.
Building 7 did not collapse at the same time as the two towers as was their plan, but they decided to demolish it later anyway, as its significance was that of the Divine Feminine, and this is what this obscene ritual was all about – destruction of the Divine Feminine.
Even if you don’t believe me, please watch at least a part of this revealing video.
Surely masons, 7th day adventists, Scientologists, Mormons, Martians, Russians and voodoo specialists are all beside the point.
We have raving loo na ticks and we have intelligent, good people in our midst.
Obviously we need to protect ourselves from the former – whatever they call themselves… That really should be enough.
You might adjust your opinion if you watched the video, wardopper.
it is not easy for many to truly grasp the magnitude or significance of the rituals, the “pomp and ceremony” goes over their heads, happily most have never encountered true evil in their dirtect lives, its existence is shrouded from them, such is the exchange of energy as most of us here in the “developed world” sit comfortably behind our own exhaustive “protection racket”, the price? ever increasing degrees of slavery..
having recently posted a link to the opening ceremony of the gotthard tunnel, i doubt few made it past the continual satanic parodies to see the desired “end result” of what is now a ritual reaching its “climax”
consider for yourselves what the following image means and its relevance to your life and the lives of those who come after you..
I don’t buy that WTC7 was symbolic of “the Divine Feminine”. Given that it was also called the Salomon Brothers’ Building it seems more a Solomon’s Temple symbol. The rebuilding of the temple is the great marker of the completion of their plans.
Why are they so obsessed with Solomon (however the name is spelt)? It seems as if they believe Solomon became a pagan through his marriage.
I love the clairvoyants who can ‘see’ people who consider ALSO a different aspect af an issue, watching, or not watching a video…
It is perfectly possible for such differing aspects NOT to be mutually exclusive.
Yes, I watched the video. Thank you.
then clearly you have never lost a loved one to them, have you?
Lost a loved one to whom? Wardropper mentions a lot of names
membership of the masons comes with a price, my grandfather was a mason, you may or may not be aware of the “code” that facilitates the manipulation of karma used by the masons, there is an expression “the sins of the fathers begotten by the sons” or similar, if the line is broken the “favours” granted by the lodge become due as a karmic debt if the next generation do not “serve” the brotherhood.
this comes from an end of life confession by my family member bound in guilt for the terrible price that was paid
many assume that the trowel and pinny boys are just a “boys club”, at floor level perhaps, a way to get ahead in life, further up the pyramid things get more “complicated”
i hope this goes some way to explain in a relatively concise way what goes on?
dealing with and analysis of fact, which is what you at offg do is of course the basis of the ground from which we stand in resistance, however dealing with some of the more harder to define areas that go to the roots of our existence and the fundamental questions of good v evil and thus what really sits at the root of what we are being subjected to is, by its nature often un-measureable, nor witnessed by the majority
all i can say is that being raised in a house sited on a civil war battlefield, then living in the uks most haunted city (york), then spending in excess of a decade living “on the road”, thus living on crossroads, hanging places, quarries and other “disturbed” places has equipped me with an open and receptive mind re the dimensionality we find hard to gauge..
there was a piece posted by another commenter the other day that covers some of this stuff quite well, link here:
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biggestsecret/matrix/matrix18.htm
from my own perspective, experiencing what we are currently going through and what i have before makes me more confident that we are not alone, neither are “they”, but where “they” serve the darkness, we (i trust) serve the light.
this is not to be construed or tainted by mainstream “religion”, that is merely another shepherding tool like others we have seen of late ;0)
all the best and keep up the relentless work, like bob marley said when he was shot, those that did this aint taking a day off, neither will i
an afterthought.
as some ancient cultures use sound and vibration to reach the realms of higher frequencies, “they” use the screams of tortured children to “pray” to what they serve…
there is no doubt, no refute that in the uk the “lodge” own and operate a huge child abuse and trafficking organisation, its links to the bbc are what many believe led to the assisination of the reporter whose name i forget, she had gotten dangerously close to the truth, the current parasite on the throne “not my king” charlie boy had deep links with saville, as did his pretender father
the trumpy bollocks has shut down conversations in america, where we understand the problem is rife, as mentioned before “kwanon” is the deity that “hears the childrens cries”, no doubt a hillarious joke on their part
getting to the point, what “they” do serves and “feeds” entities from a dimensionality that we struggle to understand and big stuff is coming
its difficult territory for offg, yes the culprits like maxwell and that epstein creep get exposed, but tis tip of the iceberg..
ok, i only came in to check out on line where to find the damned gearbox filler plug on a 6 speed citroen relay, so back to my pikey griminess i go
Knowing nothing of the Masons other than what I read in these comments, I certainly would not attempt to discredit anything you say.
However, I would most definitely say – as an atheist – that any plans based on fantasy will necessarily fall flat eventually.
If the Masons’ planned takeover of the world is based on something akin to Satanism; and if the CIA’s attempted takeover of country after country is based on very carefully drawn up and executed “rational” plans…then there is no question who will ultimately succeed in destroying the world.
(I know: many consider the CIA to be merely an arm of the Masonic Order. But perhaps it isn’t.)
9/11 was an “adjustment” to the record keeping skills of the financial class. All this occult bullshit only deflects the direction of inquiry.
The World Trade Centers contained the historical transactions of all international markets. There is (or was) substantial evidence of markets puts just prior to the demolition of the buildings. >
Evidence for Informed Trading on the Attacks of September 11
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/11/18/evidence-for-informed-trading-on-the-attacks-of-september-11/
There are plenty of valid investigations which don’t include the occult nonsense…
Thermite is a blend of metal powder and an oxide, usually aluminum and ferric oxide. It requires a high temperature to get it started (we used to use magnesium ribbon). The planes that hit the tower were carrying north of 10,000 gallons (40,000 liters) of Jet-A each which would have atomized on impact and produced a great deal of heat. So its just possible that a thermite like reaction could have been ignited between elements of the frame of the building and the aircraft structure.
There’s solid evidence that WTC 1 and 2 were hit by aircraft — lots of video evidence, too much to fabricate. WTC 7, that’s a different story.
Incidentally, experience from firestorms caused by air raids in WW2 s that buildings can continue to burn for days afterwards.
Utter Rubbish. Planes can’t pass through a massive steel and concrete structure as if it were a cloud.
Ushering in the spooks…..
“So its just possible…”.
In the world of IT and “Virtual Reality” everything is “just possible…”. But not in the real world of chemistry. True enough, ten thousand gallons of paraffin would produce a lot of heat — all of it low grade with a red-yellow flame, not the white hot incandescence needed to ignite thermite and melt steel.
Where did the engines & the undercarriage vanish to ? Never found
I’ll wager that if you go to an arms fair & ask for nanothermite people wont take you seriously
Bits of the engines such as a compressor shaft were found on a rooftop some distance away.
If you watch a video of a plane crashing then it usually results in a fireball. A light plane only contains about 100 gallons of fuel — sometimes more, sometimes less. The fuel load in an airliner about 10,000 gallons which if it gets atomized in a crash and burnt will release somewhat more than a billion Kilo Joules of energy. You’d get the same energy from about 65 cubic meters of Thermite. I don’t know how dense the stuff is but I’d reckon it would be about 325 tons. Being ‘nano’ won’t increase the amount of energy you get from the reaction but will increase how fast it burns (necessary for this type of incident) but as nano-aluminum is rather expensive to make……you get the drift……
There really is no magic to any of this. (BTW — 325 tones is about 65 cubic meters. A cubic meter is a bit larger than a cubic yard so assuming you’d need to use a single axle truck rather than a set of doubles then you’d be looking about 30-40 truck loads. Doable but you probably wouldn’t want to carry mixed thermite in a dump truck…..its likely to catch fire randomly.)
Sigh…Yes it will, this is the entire point of creating it. Nanothermite becomes explosive as well as incendiary
A few questions
There were 110,000 tons of structural steel in each tower. How much thermite was required to destroy enough of this steel to cause the pulverisation of the entire structure ?
Where was this thermite placed ? Inside the columns and beams ?
By drilling large numbers of holes in selected structural members ?
Comments on the logistics of the operation ?
How was the reaction initiated ?
How much energy was released ? Enough to create massive pyroclastic flows in seconds ?
What caused the elevated tritium levels in the area ? The elevated levels of fission products such as barium and strontium ?
Tritium levels were nowhere near nuclear levels. As for barium and strontium they were less than tritium.
And how exactly do nukes decouple steel supports in such a precise way as to initiate a near free-fall collapse? How is this anymore likely than chemical explosives?
And do we just ignore the thermitic, highly energetic red substance found in all the dust samples?
How do you consolidate the evidence in any cohesive way? Or do we just say ‘magic nukes’ and go full crazy sci-if and ignore the empirical evidence? A2
Back in May 2014, VT received files from the real 9/11 investigation by the US Department of Energy. For those who are unaware, the DOE manufactures nuclear weapons under the innocent guise of a public utility-sounding name.
Working with them, beginning on 9/12, was the International Atomic Energy Agency, part of the UN, whose investigators were in New York at the United Nations that fateful day. They picked up their Geiger counters, donned their yellow hard hats and their “Con Ed” (the power company for the City of New York) ID badges and yellow vests, and began tracking the ionizing radiation signatures and taking soil samples.
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/02/19/the-secret-history-of-9-11/
Well we could say magic nanothermite that at the time of detonation produced sufficient radiation to interfere with video recordings (scintillation) & radio transmissions.
Thermite in explosive terms is a slow burn more of a whoosh than a bang yet the seismic data shows a series of well timed explosions that measure on the richter scale.
Thousands of tons of concrete & steel turned to dust yet paper survived in the same environment. No EMF eddy currents & no radiation absorbtion explains that.
Tons of magic thermite would have burnt all the paper too.
But an energetic thermitic substance was identified in the dust, so it isn’t exactly ‘magic’ according to the published science and we need to account for that, not simply ignore it.
The unburned paper observation I always find so flawed. Any portion of paper which did combust would leave no visual evidence, since it would have burned away!
Very faulty logic seems to dictate that some paper didn’t burn therefore none of it did!
All large fires have pockets of more/less intense heat, influenced by surrounding factors. Bear in mind the spontaneous combustion temp of paper is, rather famously, around 451 f, which isn’t very cold by any means. Given this was an exterior event and there was a lot of movement of air, and given the paper debris would have settled within a window of time, not all at once, I think it’s more than reasonable to assume some paper would have combusted due to flames and vanished, some would have spontaneously combusted and vanished, and some wouldn’t have burned (at the time of being photographed) and would have sat in the trees etc. as visible paper, while firemen (and photographers etc.) were able to walk around the fire strewn streets in the aftermath of the collapse (in ambient temperatures that clearly weren’t anywhere near ~451F).
It’d be more unusual if all the paper did spontaneously burn up, I would have thought. A2
Hundreds, maybe thousands of tons of military grade nanothermite were carefully wired up. This needed an Bush construction company to work on the structural lift shafts under armed guard for weeks, with the help of Mossad agents. I think Israel may have supplied the thermite to avoid so many tons of such highly scheduled material going missing from the account books of the U$ military.
“911 Inside Job!”. I used to post a kalipygous video on that theme, but lost the link and forgot the name of the lady.
Stuff goes unaccountably missing from the military account books every day. Who’s looking? Who’s going to blow the whistle?
“Economic warfare is still war by other means.
War is still economic warfare by other means.” (anon)
War is a fight over who’s gonna be The Boss.
War is a fight over who’s gonna be Your Boss…
Benedict Cryptofash post: :the Antileftist Marks.
(A marxist critique of leftism)…
https://substack.com/profile/47019525-benedict-cryptofash
How to debunk the Corporatocracy.
OPEN YOUR EYES!!
Use your common sense.
Turn off the MSM.
I think first you’re going to have to convince the brainwashed masses that they aren’t actually brainwashed, which is kind of like the modern version of cleaning the Augean stables (clearly the masses who believe things like the 911 fairy tale or the covid scam have brains pretty full of shit)
This is where the rubber hits the road: >
“The failed thermite theory debunkers have produced:
Thousands of chat room comments and other posts yet not one peer-reviewed scientific article.
Alternate hypotheses that have little or no evidence to support them. For example, the mini-nuke hypothesis and the “Star Wars Beam” hypothesis.” [True]
The evidence of military grade nano thermite is indisputable. This type of thermite is not utilized in conventional steel cutting, such as that used in heavy gauge rail cuts and commercial beams. There were very few sources of this type of thermite prior to the event of 9/11. The evidence that this was an inside job is also irrefutable.
The Case Against Ralph Eberhart, NORAD’s 9/11 Commander
http://digwithin.net/2013/01/12/eberhart/
The identification of nano thermite clearly showed how organisations such as the BBC lie in the exact same manner as the modern day ‘fact checkers’.
Their ‘documentary’ Debunking 911 made sure to not mention the nano aspect in any way, instead stating that iron oxide paint and aluminium particles were common in buildings like the WTC towers, implying what was found were regular building materials.
Funnily enough the exact same dishonest twisting of the facts that Martin Usher attempts above.
Also of note it seems complaining about the Offg spam checker gets every single post I now write flagged as spam, which is ridiculous Offg, you are becoming worse than CIF for censoring comments.
Your posts are not flagged as spam, some are just put in the moderation queue. It happens.
“The evidence of military grade nano thermite is indisputable.”
That being the case where can you buy it ?
Thermite Grenade Cuts Through Steel | Military.com
Me too. I have been pulling them down and peeling them off for 2 .5 years
A viable solution to resolution would be to waterboard Larry Silverstein. It is reasonable to suspect that ‘Lucky Larry’ knows more than most …
It was asserted by The Authorities that a Russian BUK missile was fired from south-eastern Ukraine, 17 July 2017.The missile exploded on the left side of the Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 plane’s cockpit bringing the plane down…
Witnesses on the ground alleged Ukrainian were jets in the plane’s vicinity; they may have fired missiles or bullets at the MH17 cockpit causing it to drop from the sky…
Afterwards all the debris was gathered up and a reconstruction of the plane was undertaken…
There are photos of the reconstructed plane, but only ones showing the left side of the cockpit…Has any photos of the reconstructed right side of MH17s cockpit ever been published ?
The Authorities would be aware of the claims that the plane’s cockpit was fired on by Ukrainian jets…Photos showing the right side undamaged by missile or bullet damage should debunk claims Ukrainian jets brought down the MH17 ?
The self-appointedd investigators into MH17 truth have have been gracious. They have allowed the country that owned the plane to attend the latest meeting on it.
Limited Hangout
I suppose limited hangout is better than no hangout. The evidence is overwhelming for mini nukes.These long proven devices could easily be installed and detonated in a top down times sequence. This would explain the top down pulverisation.
There were of course no planes.
I would say the evidence for ‘nukes’ is not ‘overwhelming’, or in the least bit comparable to the good quality scientific evidence collated and conducted by Ryan above. A2
Cornwall UK
Live feed total global network a passenger airliner crashed into the other skyscrapper.
skyscrapper – hmmm intentional clue???
Nukes are likely fake. Read “Fake Aliens and the Phony Nuke World Order” and “Death Object- Exploding the Nuclear Weapons Hoax”. If true, then it confirms the Cold War was also fake and we already have a One World Government.
http://www.zephaniah.eu/Why%20Explosive%20Nuclear%20Devices%20May%20Not%20Exist.pdf
http://mileswmathis.com/trinity.pdf
Cold War
The cold war was fake. That is partly confirmed by the transfer of nuclear technology. Nothing new there. All the big Western corporations helped with Djugashvili’s five year plans.
However nuclear weapons do (most probably) exist. The vast testing grounds in Nevada and Khazakhstan for instance. I understand you can still buy fused sand created by the Trinity test in New Mexico prior to Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
The existence of the huge plutonium plants in Washington state and Sellafield and elsewhere.
Take a look:
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2019/09/01/breathtaking-solving-nuclear-9-11-the-pommer-report/
so when did they figure out how to do radiation-free nukes??? I missed that bit …
Things have moved on since the generation 1 nukes of the 50’s.
The latest toys can be designer made to do just that & burn almost all the fuel leaving almost no residual radiation. You don’t even need a critical mass to make a very big bang. In effect these devices are dial a yield.
It is entirely possible that a weapon could be placed below a large tank of freon (air conditioning) in order to boost the explosion & develop certain required characteristics.
I gave this a 5. But there is one segment i have a disagreement with.
“Attempts to exaggerate the meaning of the evidence, for example by saying that thermite or nanothermite could not have caused all of the effects seen at the WTC.”
I don’t think nanothermite could have caused all of the observable effects. But this does not mean that i think nanothermite has been debunked, not remotely. I think the evidence for it is way too strong. And i find the Star Wars beam notion ludicrous. But no one has ever debunked this paper from 9//1 Research by Jim Hoffman, a major supporter of the nanothermite narrative. regarding the energy involved in expanding the dust clouds created by the destruction of the Twin Towers. What would have caused it? I have my own ideas.
https://www.911research.wtc7.net/papers/dustvolume/index.html
The entire Thermite debate was predicated on nothing more than a mere typo…
Instead of Thermite it should have been written as ‘Termite’.
Termites brought down the twin towers.
It is so obvious if you don’t think about it.
Well, 9/11 was an inside job, so it’s fair to say there was termiting going on.
😎 good one(s)
GMO Termites…
I don’t have know any thermite science to know that bin Laden wasn’t the “mastermind” of 9/11. Several weeks after 9/11 Defense Secretary Rumsfeld was on Meet the Press and confirmed the cartoon drawing of bin Laden’s cave with hydroelectric power and truck garage. He even said there were several such caves. No cave that could even fit 3 people was ever found
US “intelligence” about Osama bin Laden was either totally wrong or they were lying. If it was wrong, they would have investigated who really was behind 9/11 when they found the super caves didn’t exist.
Why would one want to debunk anything of 9/11, it’s long gone and the “war on terror” restrictions were implemented without question. It’s job done for them.
All these other topics we are being giving to discuss simply further divert us from the task in hand. You should be focused on exposing the current lies, cover ups and scams, rather than dig this stuff back up.
You are going to have your work cut out convincing your colleges that they are being done like a kipper regarding the current injection. If you start going off topic onto other scams in the past they will simply parcel you as a loonie. These people can barely digest one thing at a time, so keep it simple.
Meanwhile the alternitive media is encouraging you talk about, 9/11, gay rights, men are pigs, men can be women, imigrants, BLM and all the other bullshit. Custom designed to keep you arguing.
It’s the same show, different act. Some might say. A2
“Those who dont learn from the past, especially learn about the psyops techniques employed. are destined to be taken in by the next psyops…” anon
Pretty much somes it up, I mean twenty one years later we had the 1966 World Cup.
social media doing men can be women etc aren’t ‘alt’ in any way, they’re 5th columns from the rulers sent out to confuse the innocent, or stupid I guess, and doing a good job of it too after 50 years of dumbing down
Many of those guilty parties re 911 are still active today roaming free to commit further attrocities using similar criminal methodologies for similar criminal purposes.
Netanyahu springs to mind & a rather large bang in Beruit comically attributed to a combination of fertilizer & fireworks.
Your alternative update on #COVID19 for 2022-09-28. Europe suffers horrifying 755% jump Excess Deaths among Children. Meloni: We do not want to be numbers (blog, gab, tweet).
“The more the merrier…”, this is the motto of the SRF and Billionaires.
It’s a shame you need to choose a contradictory name in order to try to be edgy. This shows a willingness to dismiss your own integrity as a tactic to manipulate what others believe. Dismissing their own integrity is the prime and basically only reason that anyone could ever believe in such a nonsense story. I realize that the age of talking straight is over, but why don’t you people wake up to the fact that without it you are just whining like angry fools on twatter?
Anyway…even if we gave you ‘evidence of thermite found’ why did we not see the huge amounts of thermite needed going off? These reactions are very bright and very loud. Where is the evidence of thermite cuts in the steel? (please don’t post that picture of the angular cut taken weeks later that was made to help clear the site). Where were these thermite charges placed? Directly below where the planes happened to hit but the charges and wiring were not damaged? I could go on…
You’re literally twenty years late to this discussion. Pretending to believe in magic (you don’t) is not a realistic tactic in dealing with things that make no sense whatsoever. You will refuse to apply your own logic to your own arguments because you lack integrity, and that is why you will be so easily dismissed.
Your out there isn’t integrity on social media net.
Ally is a composite material depending on the finished Product..where did get you get the leap of faith..660c?
Also, molten ali doesn’t glow like molten steel, Anyone who’s actually worked with both (hint, hint) could tell you that.
PS: Please note that ‘Pork Pie’ is mechanically feeding us familiar debunker talking-points, as the would-be debunkers like to do, to keep the futile arguments going, so as to maintain a smokescreen of – alleged – uncertainty over what is in reality a well-demonstrated fact: 11/9 building collapses in the WTC were all controlled demolitions.
Insubstantial talking-points notwithstanding, that’s as near to scientific certainty as you can get in the real world.
Iron spheres require iron to be melted (2800 deg F temps) and for the molten iron to be flung at high speeds, which forms it into spheres (minimize surface tension by minimizing surface area). And these spheres formed 5% of the dust in samples found in the basement of a building adjacent to the WTC, connected to it via a tunnel The only way they could have been formed is explosions involving high temperatures.
Thanks for that extra bit of chemical information.
When using an oxy lance, yes it’s really loud, been there done that. Your statement assumes the cuts were not made to critical structural elements within the building where they would never have been seen, nor heard.
Porkies. Well named, Sir!