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Although Scarred by Violence, We Must Not Be Scared into Silence

Edward Curtin

The world has been haunted by human violence since time immemorial. There are untold millions (billions?) of people all over the world who have been scarred by it in all its forms.

There are two basic responses: one is to try to return that violence with violence and defeat one’s enemy; the other is, in Martin Luther King, Jr.’s words, to “not seek to defeat or humiliate the opponent, but to win his friendship and understanding” through a non-violent response. Politicians usually embrace the former, while those who are called dreamers advocate the latter.

Between these two, there are various mixed responses, with sane political leaders calling for mutual respect between countries and an end to aggressive provocations leading to warfare, such has occurred with the United States provoking the war in Ukraine.

We have entered the time when the destruction of all life on Earth through nuclear war is imminent unless a radical transformation occurs.  If the word imminent sounds extreme, it is worth considering that there will be no announcement.  The time to speak up is now.  It is always now.

Great literature speaks to the issue of violence at the deepest levels.

Homer’s Odyssey is the classic case of violent revenge.  At the end of the story, Odysseus, who was scarred in youth by a wild boar, finally returns home from the Trojan War after ten years of wandering.  Doubly scarred now by the horrors of war with its horrendous slaughters (see The Iliad), he arrives at his home disguised in a beggar’s rags.  His nursemaid from childhood recognizes him from the scar on his thigh.  In his house he finds scores of suitors who are hitting on his wife Penelope.  He is enraged and  steps onto the threshold, rips off his rags, and systematically massacres every last one of them.  Flesh and gore swim in the blood-drenched room, while in the courtyard twelve unfaithful serving maids hang from their necks.  This is the quintessential western story of revenge where the wounded hero kills the bad guys and the violent beat goes on and on.

It appeals to our lesser angels, for while Odysseus’s rage is understandable, its consequences leave a toxic legacy.

But there is another response that draws on another tradition that is symbolized by Jesus on the cross, executed by the Roman state as a subversive criminal. He didn’t die on a private cross, for his crime was public.  Martin Luther King, Jr. and Mahatma Gandhi are famous exemplars of non-violent resistance in modern times, as they too were executed by the state.  Non-violence seems, on the surface at least, to be less effective than violence and contrary to much of human history.

If it is, however, we are doomed.  For we have nuclear weapons now, not bows and arrows and spears. We have nuclear weapons hitched to computers.  Digital weapons of multiple sorts and mad leaders intent on pushing us to the brink of extinction.

The United States’ instigation of the war in Ukraine against Russia and its push for war with China are current prime examples.  They are part of the continuing vast tapestry of lies that Harold Pinter spoke of in his 2005 Nobel Address.  He said, in part:

The United States supported and in many cases engendered every right wing military dictatorship in the world after the end of the Second World War. I refer to Indonesia, Greece, Uruguay, Brazil, Paraguay, Haiti, Turkey, the Philippines, Guatemala, El Salvador, and, of course, Chile. The horror the United States inflicted upon Chile in 1973 can never be purged and can never be forgiven. . . . The crimes of the United States have been systematic, constant, vicious, remorseless, but very few people have actually talked about them.

This is still true, as John Pilger has just warned us in a powerful article: “There Is A War Coming Shrouded In Propaganda. It Will Involve Us. Speak Up”

The rise of fascism in Europe is uncontroversial. Or ‘neo-Nazism’ or ‘extreme nationalism,’ as you prefer. Ukraine as modern Europe’s fascist beehive has seen the re-emergence of the cult of Stepan Bandera, the passionate anti-Semite and mass murderer who lauded Hitler’s ‘Jewish policy,’ which left 1.5 million Ukrainian Jews slaughtered. ‘We will lay your heads at Hitler’s feet,’ a Banderist pamphlet proclaimed to Ukrainian Jews.

Today, Bandera is hero-worshipped in western Ukraine and scores of statues of him and his fellow-fascists have been paid for by the EU and the U.S., replacing those of Russian cultural giants and others who liberated Ukraine from the original Nazis.

In 2014, neo Nazis played a key role in an American bankrolled coup against the elected president, Viktor Yanukovych, who was accused of being “pro-Moscow.” The coup regime included prominent “extreme nationalists” — Nazis in all but name.

The U.S. led support for this war must stop.  Who will stop it?

Homer told us something quite important once upon a time, as did many poets, artists, and writers in the twentieth-century.  They warned us of the monsters we were spawning, as Pilger says: “Arthur Miller, Myra Page, Lillian Hellman, Dashiell Hammett warned that fascism was rising, often disguised, and the responsibility lay with writers and journalists to speak out.”  He rightly bemoans the absence of such voices now, as writers have disappeared into post-modern silence, a part of the cultural war on dissent.

On a subtler and more personal note than Homer’s tale of revenge, we have the testimony of Albert Camus who was part of the Resistance to the German occupation of France during WW II.   At the beginning of his beautiful, posthumous, and autobiographical novel, The First Man, Camus tells us about Jacques Cormery (Camus), who never knew his father, a French soldier killed in World War I – the misnamed grotesque War to End All Wars – when Jacques was eleven months old.

Years later, when he is forty years old and horrors of WW II have concluded, Jacques visits the cemetery in France where his father is buried.  As he stands over the gravestone in this massive field of the dead, silence engulfs him.  Camus writes:

And the wave of tenderness and pity that at once filled his heart was not the stirring of the soul that leads the son to the memory of the vanished father, but the overwhelming passion that a grown man feels for an unjustly murdered child – something here was not in the natural order and, in truth, there was no order but only madness and chaos when the son was older than the father. The course of time was shattering around him while he remained motionless among those tombs he no longer saw, and the years no longer kept to their places in the great river that flows to its end.

The tale continues, as did Camus’s, who always supported the victims of violence despite harsh criticism from many corners, from the left and from the right.  He wrote a famous essay, Reflections on the Guillotine, against capital punishment, based on his father’s nauseating experience of seeing a man executed by the state.  After hearing this story from his grandmother, he would regularly have ”a recurrent nightmare” that “would haunt him, taking many forms, but always having the one theme: they were always coming to take him, Jacques, to be executed.”

Furthermore, Camus warned us not to become murderers and executioners and to create more victims, when he wrote a series of essays shortly after WW II for the French Resistance paper, Combat. – Neither Victims nor Executioners.  He wrote that yes, we must raise our voices:

It demands only that we reflect and then decide, clearly, whether humanity’s lot must be made still more miserable in order to achieve far-off and shadowy ends, whether we should accept a world bristling with arms where brother kills brother; or whether, on the contrary, we should avoid bloodshed and misery as much as possible so that we give a chance for survival to later generations better equipped than we are. 

Which leads me to Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. and his run for the US presidency in this most dangerous time.  He is a man not scared into silence despite all the efforts to censor him.

From a very tender age he was scarred by death; is surely a wounded warrior, not one of those who went to an actual war, but one who had a different war forced upon him when he was nine and fourteen years-old, when his uncle and father were assassinated by the CIA.   Some repress the implications of such memories; he has faced them and allowed them to spur him to truth and action.

No boar gored him, nor has he slain suitors in his house, because he has taken, not the road of revenge, but that of reconciliation, despite having lost his father and others to demonic government forces.  This is the way of non-violence, a path unfamiliar to most of those seeking political office.

I don’t know his inner thoughts about this, but I read his words and actions to decipher where he is trying to take this very violent country.  He is a non-violent warrior in the spirit of Gandhi’s truth force or satyagraha.  Not a passive non-action, but an active resistance to evil and violence.  Not one seeking revenge on all the warmongers and Covid liars (which does not preclude legal prosecutions for crimes), but one who seeks to reconcile the warring parties.  To appeal to our higher angels and not the demons urging us to renounce the good, but to the love that is our only hope.

I am not saying he is a pacifist.  Such a term muddies the water.  He is clearly committed to the defense of the country if it were ever attacked. But he is emphatically opposed to the endless U.S. attacks on other countries. He knows the vicious history of the CIA.  He is a very rare political candidate committed to reconciliation at home and abroad.  He is waging peace.

Like his father Senator Robert Kennedy and his uncle, President Kennedy, he is anti-war, committed to ending the endless cycle of overseas wars sustained by the military-industrial complex and the corporations who feed at the trough of war spending.  He opposes the policies of those politicians who support such endless carnage, which is most of them, including most emphatically Joe Biden.  He realizes the danger of nuclear war.  He tells us on his website, Kennedy24:

As President, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. will start the process of unwinding empire. We will bring the troops home. We will stop racking up unpayable debt to fight one war after another. The military will return to its proper role of defending our country. We will end the proxy wars, bombing campaigns, covert operations, coups, paramilitaries, and everything else that has become so normal most people don’t know it’s happening. But it is happening, a constant drain on our strength. It’s time to come home and restore this country. . . . We will lead by example. When a warlike imperial nation disarms of its own accord, it sets a template for peace everywhere. It is not too late for us to voluntarily let go of empire and serve peace instead, as a strong and healthy nation.

Those are very strong words and I am sure he means them.  But he is opposed by demonic forces within the U.S., what former CIA analyst Ray McGovern aptly calls the Military-Industrial-Congressional-Intelligence-MEDIA-Academia-Think-Tank complex (MICIMATT).  They run the propaganda shit show and will throw lie after lie (have already done so) at Kennedy and exert all their pressure to make sure he can not fulfill his promises.  Their propaganda is endless and aims to hypnotize. Pinter described it thus: “I put to you that the United States is without doubt the greatest show on the road. Brutal, indifferent, scornful and ruthless it may be but it is also very clever. As a salesman it is out on its own and its most saleable commodity is self-love.”

It is this self-love and American exceptionalism that Bobby Kennedy will have to counteract by emphasizing the humanity of all people and their desire to live in peace. He will have to make it very clear that the U.S. government’s involvement in Ukraine was never humanitarian, but from the start was part of a plan to disable Russia.  That is was an effort to continue the Cold War by pushing closer to Russia’s borders.

Only fools think that revenge and violence will lead to a better world.  It may feel good – and I know the feeling – to strike back in anger, but it is only a vicious circle as all history has shown.  Revenge only brings bitterness, a cycle of recriminations and reactions.  Reconciliation is the way forward, but it can only become a reality by an upswelling of resistance of good people everywhere to the lies of the war-loving propagandists who are leading us to annihilation.

RFK, Jr. can not do it alone.  He can lead, but we need a vast chorus of millions of voices to resist, in Pilger’s words, “the all-powerful elite of the corporation merged with the state and the demands of ‘identity’.”  If not, democracy will remain notional.  Kennedy is so right to say that the U.S.A. cannot be an empire abroad and continue to be a democracy at home.  Silence must be replaced with resistance and his words made real by millions of people opposing the killers.

Writing in another time of extremity, but writing truly, Camus, said:

At the end of this tunnel of darkness, however, there is inevitably a light, which we already divine and for which we only have to fight to ensure its coming. All of us, among the ruins, are preparing a renaissance beyond the limits of nihilism. But few of us know it.

So let us fight with words and actions.  As MLK, Jr. told us about the U.S. war against Vietnam: “There comes a time when silence is betrayal.”

Edward Curtin is an independent writer whose work has appeared widely over many years. His website is edwardcurtin.com and his new book is Seeking Truth in a Country of Lies.

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mariusmioc
mariusmioc
May 11, 2023 12:07 AM

Repeating one hundreds times that USA provoked the war in Ukraine is not a proof that this is the situation. The war of Ukraine was provoked by the Russian invasion.

Mr Y
Mr Y
May 12, 2023 8:06 AM
Reply to  mariusmioc

What’s it like living with such a simple worldview?

Human values
Human values
May 10, 2023 11:32 PM

You’re selling fear and an idol. All idolatry is on the side of the devil, and so is fear.

You’re fighting on the wrong side of the battle, or maybe you don’t know what battle this is.

Your talk about peace and unity has no basis in reality. You’d see it clearly just by reading. And thinking. There can never be any peace and unity with the devil.  

peter
peter
May 9, 2023 7:37 PM

In-between non-violent pacifism and war there is another option and this is that those who commit crimes are brought to justice. That is how crimes have been dealt with hundreds if not thousands of years. It is clear that the higher-up a person is, the less likely that he/she is brought to justice. If the presidents and their entourage are tried for their crimes at home and abroad, the next president/govt. official/army general might behave differently. This happens only when enough people speak up and demand justice. We cannot expect to eradicate forever people who abuse power – but we can work towards a society where people pay attention to whether abuses of power are happening.

Straight Talk
Straight Talk
May 8, 2023 1:06 PM

Overpopulation is and has been THE primary concern of a small group of financial controllers and bribers that have existed throughout history and war conveniently culls the young men of the world. Today, the majority of casualties are innocent civilians since there are no longer delineated battlefields of slaughter. So the real issue is the existence of a highly specialized exceptionalism, for which there is no room in a democratic world. Our educational system should better recognize each individual’s unique qualities, because everyone is exceptional at something, and a world full of entrepreneurs is better than monopolized exceptionalism, who would like us to think that we are mere “hackable animals”.

If there is to ever be a noble war again, let it be this:

“We must never again let any force dedicated to a super race or a super idea or a super anything to become strong enough to impose itself upon a free world. We must be smart enough and tough enough from the beginning to put out the fires before it starts spreading. 

So my answer to the 64 dollar question is, Yes this trip was necessary. As the years go by, a lot of people are going to forget, but you won’t. And don’t ever let anybody ever tell you you were a sucker to fight in a war against fascism.”

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
May 8, 2023 11:49 AM

Chappaquiddick

The banksters put Ted Kennedy through the Chappaquiddick psyop. That destroyed any presidential prospects he may have had. I have analysed the Chappaquiddick incident in detail and know with certainty it was a psyop. A frame up. Ted did have the courage despite all that to oppose the brutal illegal war in Iraq. Contrast that to Dubya, the neocons, Killary, Bliar and the others too numerous to count who went along with that brutal bankster war.

wardropper
wardropper
May 8, 2023 1:40 PM

It’s hard not to recall the Harry Potter game of Quiddich, when one sees that name.
And the game looks like being popular in Washington for many decades to come…

eman
eman
May 8, 2023 10:40 AM

Non-violent resistance=choked down, invisibly synchronized & coordinated activities?
Without access to MSM, how do NVRers propose to organize?
What are NVR approved activities?
Historically, NVRers seem to organize and synchronize around a philosophy or a theme?
Is there a centralizing theme that will invisibly organize, direct & approve NVR activities?
Resistance requires centralized command and direct control.
NVR requires decentralized command with synchronized indirect control and support.
I am just not sure I understand what you mean non-violent resistance ?
Resistance to what? politics, media, war, nuclear war, corruption, change, armed militaries, the new normal, de-dollar-i-zation, religion, Cental Bank autonomy, climate change, disease, snake oil salesmen….. ?

George Mc
George Mc
May 8, 2023 10:37 AM
wardropper
wardropper
May 8, 2023 1:42 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Yeah, more force is what we need right now.
You go girl!

Oh, sorry; could you just fill me in on the last time you were forced to do anything…?

Howard
Howard
May 8, 2023 3:07 PM
Reply to  George Mc

The Clinton family motto seems to be: A murderous impulse is a terrible thing to waste!

Matt Black
Matt Black
May 8, 2023 10:26 AM

Wow, Off-G’s readers are a tough-sell, under a system of organized crime; that defrauds the public to spread a controlled message, It seems most here, are able to see the ruse, and have an open mind. As per Iain Davis’s comments, its unfortunate, that so many false messenger’s exist, and one has to not think with are heads, but feel with are hearts, and use ones intuition, to question everything.

George Mc
George Mc
May 8, 2023 9:11 AM

Sorry for overdosing on the BBC today – but they’re offering such splendid entertainment. Almost worth the licence fee!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/entertainment-arts-65511794

BBC Unveils Bike Bureau For green broadcasting!

A “sustainable” way to carry out “our journalism” and “we hope you will find this inspiring”. This will take you to “the heart of breaking news in a climate conscious way”! The BBC has a goal to “become the greenest broadcaster in the world”

Note ludicrous shots of “Anna” on this wondrous little peddle bike emphasising that the BBC too are “downsizing” as a “consequence” of this “cost of living crisis”. Note her cheery smile and wave to the camera! Also note cutesy jolly music!

Hey but this desperate bid to conserve energy and negate the deadly effects of volcanic burn up come not a second too soon:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-65518528

“Vietnam has recorded its highest ever temperature, just over 44C (111F) – with experts predicting it would soon be surpassed because of climate change.
….
“I believe this record will be repeated many times … It confirms that extreme climate models are being proven to be true.”

The world has already warmed by about 1.1C since the industrial era began and temperatures will keep rising unless governments make steep cuts to emissions.”

So it’s just as well spunky little Anna has built her own go-cart out of leaves.
 

Grafter
Grafter
May 8, 2023 11:26 AM
Reply to  George Mc

The BBC are pure shite. They will do everything in their power to support Globalism, royalty, climate change or any other doctrine wheeled out by their Establishment masters. They are a cancer in our society. Don’t give them any money.

judith
judith
May 8, 2023 11:53 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Sounds like an episode of W1A,

George Mc
George Mc
May 8, 2023 8:53 AM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65521656

“Texas mall shooting: Officials probe gunman’s possible far-right links

Investigators are reviewing social media to look into his ideology, the BBC’s US partner CBS news reports. During the attack he wore a clothing patch with the letters RWDS which stands for “Right Wing Death Squad”. This is a phrase popular among right-wing extremists and white supremacy groups.”

Now be honest. You could write the script for the follow-up articles yourself.

e.g.The gunman will be found to submit to the usual constellation of “white supremacy”, “anti-Semitism”, “xenophobia”, “Fascism” etc. All things “Right”. But – as sure as your mom and dad fucked to produce you – he will also “be found” to espouse “conspiracy theory”, “anti-vax sentiment”, “covid denialism”, “climate denialism”, “hatred of trans people”, totally in favour of the “Fascist coup of Jan 6” etc.  
 
 

George Mc
George Mc
May 8, 2023 8:44 AM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65481473

“Scores of local pharmacies closing across England

The number of pharmacies in England has fallen by 160 over the last two years, BBC analysis shows. There are now 11,026 community chemists, according to data from NHS Business Services Authority – the lowest number since 2015. Rising operational costs, staff shortages and reduced government financial support have been blamed. This is despite rising patient demand, and plans for pharmacists to provide more services to ease pressure on GPs.”

This is how our “free” society works. It is as regimented as the old Soviet system but the orders from the top are masked behind inscrutable developments usually reported in that passive mode e.g. “have been blamed” – a phrase that masks it all behind multiple veils. Another obfuscation is the language of the corporate team meeting: “We have to make some really tough calls and decisions now”.

The parasite class will phase chemists out. After all, these shops were never about peoples’ health although they had to adopt a minimal – and important – gesture in that direction.

An appearance of aid comes via this:

“Online services are available, but many rely on a local chemist for advice and to pick up prescriptions.”

“Online services” are famously infuriating in their impotence, their only potency being to drive the blood pressure of the user up. Face-to-face advice, the very bedrock of society, is becoming a thing of past legend. 

And it’s interesting that Scotland is held up as an example of “the way things should go”. Scotland was always more “socialist” than south of the border – a matter I once felt proud of until this “collectivist spirit” proved to be the buttress of the covid con. It is also significant – and ominous – that Scotland has vastly far fewer people than England. Indeed it has roughly a tenth. So …. quite a reduction for the south!

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
May 8, 2023 6:07 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Propagandist
There isn’t a capitalist southern northern border dear friends existence on the Isle mainland.
We all have collective Voice though and as per usual George seemingly missed our Booing BOOOMING OUT up NORTH LIVE streaming TV BBC USA CHANNELS PEACEFULLY during Our NATIONAL ANTHEM!
FREEDOM ? What was that again George! You may ignore ME Mister…sorry I couldn’t here YOU!
Yes it Did Happen Thank YOU The British Isles & United States of America.
Now..George Beat THAT!
Thank You

George Mc
George Mc
May 8, 2023 7:25 PM
Reply to  Clive Williams

And thank you Clive for that …. whatever.

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
May 11, 2023 3:22 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Yea whatever you read like newsprint boring cloth eared old duffer.

mgeo
mgeo
May 8, 2023 7:40 AM

The articles states that the 2 options available against violence/injustice are defence/counter-attack and rapprochement. Almost every government now uses a third option against opposition and even dissent: criminal covert propaganda and violence. Historically, some secret societies also adopted this approach.

“I too believe in the End Times – for capitalism, a system rooted in destroying the human spirit. Democracy does not exist fully yet. The secular Rapture will be when democracy comes into its own.” -Vijay Prashad, 2011

Mark EL
Mark EL
May 8, 2023 7:20 AM

Is this naivety from Mr Curtin?
An inability to move beyond an obviously false paradigm?
Or something more sinister?

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
May 8, 2023 2:38 PM
Reply to  Mark EL

Well, we don’t know do we. It would be nice if he’d clarify and address the numerous and historically informed criticisms offered in many of the comments here.

les online
les online
May 8, 2023 5:27 AM

Have you ever asked family or friends, have they ever counted the number of pharmaceutical, or pharmaceutical-related ‘health’ products shown during evening prime time television ?
Have you ever asked them do they ever wonder how much money the pharmaceuticals pay for the prime time TV spots ?

Recently i asked some of the guys in my local…I offered that the previous night i recorded
eleven pharmaceutical promotions during three hours, and offered that they must have cost ‘millions’…The ‘eleven’ claim was pure fiction, but like Nudge psychology, it worked, because the competitive types got back to me last night…My ‘eleven’ was challenged, and in my defense i offered they must have watched a different channel, etc…
Consciousness Raising’s gotto start somewhere…

Prime time television is when most are exposed to big pharma and Germ Theory propaganda…The claim is made in the following that “Pharmaceutical companies spend $480 billion every year, of that, 5% goes to research and development; the other 95% is spent on marketing….”

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/health-for-sale-ann-bauer-big-pharma

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
May 8, 2023 4:47 AM

OK, supposed to be equal time, right? So far, Edward Curtin endorsing him, twice, and CJ Hopkins, once. How many pieces have been posted here opposing the RFK Jr candidacy? I have yet to see one.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 8, 2023 6:10 AM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

Perhaps our regular contributors tend to agree that overall there’s an advantage to someone with RFK’s message running for office?

Offg doesn’t tend to take up a contrary position just for the sake of it, and while there are points to be made against RFK Jr and politics as a whole (Offg often talks about this), and whereas a time and place to explore such points will undoubtedly arise, perhaps helping to slow RFK’s momentum at this time doesn’t serve much of a purpose? Especially when you consider the alternatives?

I don’t know, really. Let’s see what offg publishes as things develop. And why not stop assumimg offg’s bias in the meantime? I don’t think we’ve given you reason to do that. We’ve always mercilessly pursued a truthful analysis, even at the cost of being quite unpopular at times.

A2

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
May 8, 2023 7:26 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

OffG’s,two largest net audience is USA and next up British Isles Adim. btw. On the Web.

MattC
MattC
May 8, 2023 6:22 AM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

RFK is far from perfect and is hopelessly adrift from reality on many subjects BUT who else is standing for POTUS who will start to unstitch the deep state?

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
May 8, 2023 7:20 AM
Reply to  MattC

The very office of POTUS is part of the problem. Who occupies that office is not part of the solution. The POTUS is the manager of the corporate state, whose job is to ensure the overall health of US-based capital, and keep the 99.9% under control while providing it with the image of participation. No occupant of that office will unstich the deep state. And RFK Jr has ties to the ruling elite. Open ones such as his relationship with billionaire Steve Kirsch, invested in “COVID Early Treatment Fund” (which was affiliated with the Rockefeller Philanthropy Fund) and in various digital ID entities, including the Santa Fe Institute. And not so open ones such as Rockefeller interests, e.g. while he was chief counsel with the Natural Resource Defense Council.

judith
judith
May 8, 2023 12:01 PM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

RFK Jr. has been fighting for parents with vaccine injured children since 2003. His Children’s Health Defense team and organization is incredible.
He came out blasting Fauci in April 2020 and has not stopped.
He has litigated against corporations for years. Including most recently against Monsanto for it’s Round Up pesticide, and won.
Several suits against FCC for 5G. One being litigated now.

He himself stated in his candidacy speech that he is not one’s typical Presidential candidate.

I think it’s fair to say that most of us do not look to a savior anymore, but I am thankful that there is someone with his type of notoriety that is speaking up.

He wrote “The Real Anthony Fauci” which was eye opening. And is writing another about the covid origins.

I don’t think he is attached to winning, and neither am I, but I’m sure glad he might open a few minds.

Lizzyh7
Lizzyh7
May 8, 2023 7:32 PM
Reply to  judith

Covid origins? I’m sorry, but if that is true and he’s doing the lab leak thing or whatever, that only reinforces that there was a deadly flu that we all had to deal with – lockdowns, destruction of small businesses, school closures, job losses, mandates, etc. That hardly helps us if we are truly going after one of THE biggest lies ever. And while it isn’t a fun thing to realize, that does in fact mean that RFK Jr at the very least is legitimizing the whole idea of extreme “health” measures being necessary going forward, albeit I’m sure he has ideas on how that could have been done “better” but the point is said measures would still be considered. Measures that mean nothing since the entire premise of the disease is faulty to begin with.

That equivocation is part of the problem and how we have arrived at this point. Yes, yes, he’s done some great things, but if he is going to buy into the very core premise of the LIE that there really was a covid that had to be dealt with using extreme measures, and he’s then going to debate how extreme or supposedly reasonable said measures might be, that leaves the door wide open for the same bullshit again. It isn’t much different from Obama claiming he’d close the Gitmo, to use an easy one, but hey, at the end we couldn’t do that because 9/11 terrorists ya know…..

That does not help and in point of fact it hurts the cause of truth. As to opening minds, if those minds only get opened up part way, does that really help, or does it end up being the same mealy mouthed acceptance of the big lie?

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
May 8, 2023 9:02 PM
Reply to  judith

Pesticides are still available along with shotgun shells honeypot.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
May 8, 2023 9:44 AM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

If you think CJ Hopkins endorsed RFK jr then you need to read his article again, maybe with more attention and less of a hair trigger.

I suspect you didn’t get beyond the first sentence, right?

Read the whole thing. His point is actually quite similar to your own, though expressed a little more elegantly.

There’s also nothing to stop you writing something yourself and submitting it.

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
May 8, 2023 11:15 AM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

There is no need. You neocon piranhas do an excellent job of destroying his reputation.

Albert Anderson
Albert Anderson
May 8, 2023 3:10 AM

This is an URGENT message from Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and his Children’s Health Defense (CHD) Team about the World Health Organization’s (WHO) impending Power Grab. If we do not intervene and stop it NOW, WHO will take over power and dominion on all matters of health over and above the sovereignty of WHO member states, and over our right to decide over our own body.

Please sign the petition below.

The Great FREESET Versus The Great Reset. URGENT Message from Robert F. Kennedy Jr. – Global ResearchGlobal Research – Centre for Research on Globalization

Peter Koenig posted this at Global Research. Some here may want to consider something other than talk.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
May 8, 2023 2:53 PM

Yes. I signed the statement the day of release. The World Health Organization (as well as the entire United Nations) needs to be exorcised from the planet… Thanks for posting.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
May 8, 2023 2:11 AM

I still think that the discussion between Jesse Zurawell and Michael Bryant is the best I have heard regarding RFK Jr’s candidacy.

https://planetwavesfm.substack.com/p/saint-bobby-jr-will-he-save-us-a?utm_source=podcast-email%2Csubstack&publication_id=936745&post_id=115287237&utm_medium=email#details

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
May 8, 2023 4:46 AM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

And host Eric Coppolino in the mix too.

les online
les online
May 8, 2023 1:53 AM

We Are Ready…Saturday 20 May 2023…

https://metatron.substack.com/p/we-are-ready

Freecus
Freecus
May 8, 2023 1:47 AM

RFK Jr.’s drug conviction at the age of thirty.

mjh
mjh
May 8, 2023 3:04 AM
Reply to  Freecus

And your point is??Are you perfect? Were you perfect when you were younger?

judith
judith
May 8, 2023 12:02 PM
Reply to  Freecus

He’s been sober for 41 years.

Kacsynski2
Kacsynski2
May 8, 2023 9:15 PM
Reply to  judith

He called for climate change denier’s to be incarcerated, sober!?
I can understand why he put the gargle down, phew.

Ask again.
If he gets in what would YOU like him to do? Best/worst case scenario?
What would you consider a success?

judith
judith
May 8, 2023 11:39 PM
Reply to  Kacsynski2

I’d be happy that he got his message and information out to more people.
I would be happy if a few others learned what I have learned since listening to him since April 2020.
I’d be happy to see others read and listen to Children’s Health Defense.

Freecus
Freecus
May 8, 2023 12:44 PM
Reply to  Freecus

This would have been a perfect opportunity for ‘intelligence’ agencies to step-in and “suggest” a future life path forward that would restore his family image and could be used by the agency for political purposes in the future, should the need ever arise for a certain emotional archetypical character narrative.

Rosario Strait
Rosario Strait
May 8, 2023 12:20 AM

I don’t like RFK jr. I agree with the guys on here who say he’s just another phony. But I get why you publish Mr Curtin’s article and I was happy to be able to read it. Don’t listen to the brown shirts who want to whip you into only publishing opinions they like. One reason I alway come back here is you got integrity and don’t get caught up on ideology. You look for the truth and let other people you disagree with have their say too. Good for you. Stay strong.

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
May 8, 2023 4:44 AM
Reply to  Rosario Strait

Show us the anti-RFK Jr candidacy pieces that have been posted, please.

Placental Mammal
Placental Mammal
May 8, 2023 12:12 AM

Process

I think this series of articles featuring RFK jr is a cleverly disguised way of crucifying him. The hatred of the Kennedy clan began with Joe sr’s opposition to the banksters’ WW2. JFK stoked that hatred by championing Algeria’s independence and by attempting to build bridges to Nasser and by opposing Israel’s nuclear weapons program. Five Kennedy’s paid a heavy price for that hatred, four of them paying the ultimate price. I fear RFK jr is being lured into the arena possibly to quench the bankster’s thirst for the blood of that clan. His opposition to the imposition of the clot shot brought him and his heritage back into the limelight and signalled the banksters to take action.

Art Costa
Art Costa
May 8, 2023 12:35 AM

RFL, Jr admitted he’d taken along with the rest of his family the mRNA shots.

His son just got back from his foreign legion role as “warrior” against Putin as a drone “fighter” than as a gunner. He works in an elite law firm and this stint should position him for a future in politics.

Whatever Joe Kennedy did or didn’t do depends on who’s telling the story.

Martha
Martha
May 8, 2023 2:56 AM
Reply to  Art Costa

No, he said he’s not an anti-vaxxer. He said he vaccinated all of his children. He’s anti-unsafe-vaccines. It was claimed by the US gov’t that vaccines need to be free from all liability because they are unavoidably unsafe. So Kennedy wants liability restored and vaccines to be proven safe if they are to remain on the market. I’m 99.99% certain he did not take the mRNA shots. And his son is an adult, so he made his own decision about going to war.

Art Costa
Art Costa
May 8, 2023 11:47 AM
Reply to  Martha

Not sure what your “No” means. I never said he was an anti-vaxxer. (There’s never been a “safe” vaccine and never a need for any such injections of primarily heavy toxic metals and a variety of poisons). He said he took the mRNA in an interview with Megan Kelly. I too was surprised, but than again…

Martha
Martha
May 8, 2023 2:21 PM
Reply to  Art Costa

I stand corrected. I didn’t catch that in his Kelly interview. If he said it and you heard it, then it’s probably true.
He knows there are no safe vaccines. That’s why he can say he’s not anti-vax and be telling the truth.

Placental Mammal
Placental Mammal
May 8, 2023 4:40 AM
Reply to  Art Costa

You are obviously a paid shill. The banksters more or less admitted their motives with their little theatrical act at the House Select Committee on Assassinations in the seventies. A fellow claiming to be the umbrella man appeared before the committee. He said he was in Dealey Plaza protesting “appeasement” before WW2. The umbrella related to Neville Chamberlain, another peacemonger along with Joe sr. Chamberlain habitually carried an umbrella. Chamberlain died not long after war was declared. He was replaced by bankster warmonger Turdhill and served in his cabinet for a short time. There are no memorials to him.

Art Costa
Art Costa
May 8, 2023 11:50 AM

What did I post that prompted your response? I never posted anything regarding assassinations.

judith
judith
May 8, 2023 12:04 PM
Reply to  Art Costa

He did not take the mrna shot. He talks about vaccinating his kids when they were babies, as most parents do.
He talks about he and his siblings being vaccinated, as most of us were.

Kacsynski2
Kacsynski2
May 8, 2023 2:39 PM
Reply to  judith

Ok, Let’s say he wins.
What is it you’d like to see him do?
Best case scenario.

Churlishly, you mean he advocated for locking up climate change deniers, whilst sober!?

judith
judith
May 8, 2023 11:41 PM
Reply to  Kacsynski2

I replied about his sobriety only to point out that he is not snorting heroin.

Art Costa
Art Costa
May 8, 2023 12:00 AM

Mr. Curtin presents an extremely naive strategy. Biden is an example of what the power structure wants, an easily corruptible person of advanced age with little capacity to control his own let alone anyone else’s fate.

RJK, Jr. should know this. The cartel that rules has done so for many centuries. The US is simply a means to full spectrum domination. How this ends, is unclear but electoral politics is a horrible joke at this advanced stage (if ever it meant anything).

The office of president was captured many decades ago. The inhabitant is a puppet that takes orders and issues executive orders and proclamations.

Maxwell
Maxwell
May 8, 2023 2:46 AM
Reply to  Art Costa

I don’t think he is presenting a strategy so much as an illusion.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
May 7, 2023 11:44 PM

For me, I decided during the plandemic, it’s never again trust a politician. He or she is free to prove me wrong by all means. Should that ever occur, I’ll admit to having been wrong.

hotrod31
hotrod31
May 8, 2023 12:45 AM
Reply to  Veri Tas

Too right …
I would add my tuppence worth and include the majority of the bureaucracies and multi-corps.

Researcher
Researcher
May 7, 2023 11:13 PM

When you realize the Kennedys weren’t assassinated, but the public are being hoaxed (Good Cop vs Bad Cop) over and over again, that’s when you really start to wake the F up.

It’s fear programming, racketeering and fraud. Trauma based mind control of entire populations through the repetition of lies, using violent imagery, fake (S)elections and news “programming”.

As for the fake nukes fear campaign, don’t fall for these Masonic lies. Research it for yourself. Links below for any readers who are interested in an alternative viewpoint.

Video on fake nukes.

Book on the nuclear weapons hoax.

Essay on the faked Bikini Atoll tests.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
May 7, 2023 11:34 PM
Reply to  Researcher

When I clicked on the book link I thought it’d take me to Amazon or some such. Wow, it’s free – thank you! I’ve long wanted to find out about the nuclear bomb debate, whether it’s a real possibility or not.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
May 7, 2023 11:55 PM
Reply to  Researcher

Okay, I got to 1:40 into the video.

Q: What sort of camera can survive a blast which destroys a typical house?

A: One fixed in an underground bunker at the end of a periscope arrangement. The periscope being fitted into a reinforced-concrete pillar – probably having an elliptical cross-section.

Do they debunk that anywhere in the rest of the 3 hour video?

You see that undamaged wavy thing at the front of M&S. That’s concrete!

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Researcher
Researcher
May 8, 2023 12:47 AM

It’s conventional weaponry in the above picture. It has no bearing on the fake nuke tests. Like when they take film of the sun rising and call it a nuclear explosion!

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
May 8, 2023 1:45 AM
Reply to  Researcher

At approx 1:30 in the video, the camera is filming a blast wave as it destroys a conventional house. I’ve suggested how the camera could have been set up so as to record the shot and survive the blast. Does the video in the rest of the 3 hours recognise that possible arrangement?

Researcher
Researcher
May 8, 2023 3:19 AM

How is the LENS SHIELDED?

It’s not and it can’t be.

Do you have any idea of the alleged temperatures generated in these fake nuke explosions? Allegedly hotter than the sun’s 5,526C surface temperature. Supposedly it was 6,000C (3 + 3), ground level at Hiroshima.

That’s more than hot enough to melt all the wires, collapse the radio tower still standing in the background and incinerate the wood telephone poles.

“Supposedly” the core of the fake nuke blast is alleged to be 300,000C. It’s beyond absurd and unbelievable.

The melting point of steel is approx 1,205-1,370 Celsius. 

You can see for yourself in this picture of Hiroshima (2nd pic) just after the fire bombing, that numerous WOODEN TELEPHONE POLES are still standing and the wires are intact! So too, the radio tower and many other non concrete structures and everyday items in other pictures.

The bombs used in Hiroshima and Nagasaki are the same carpet bombs, napalm and firebombs they used in Tokyo and elsewhere.

But whatever. You think Trump, the self proclaimed “father of the vaccine“ is a hero. Your grasp of reality is slim to none.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
May 8, 2023 3:55 AM
Reply to  Researcher

Watch the video at 1:30.
He asks: what kind of camera could survive that blast?
I have suggested an arrangement.

There is a large range in which a conventional house will be destroyed while a solidly built concrete structure will be left largely undamaged (see below). In the case of the clip showing the house being demolished, the periscope is pointing away from the blast (as indicated by the shadow). Hence, it would be shielded behind the concrete pillar which houses the periscope.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overpressure
pounds per square inch
3: Residential structures collapse
10: Reinforced concrete buildings severely damaged or demolished
20: Heavily built concrete buildings are severely damaged or demolished

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinforced_concrete

Image: A heavy, reinforced concrete column, seen before and after the concrete has been cast in place around its rebar frame

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Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
May 8, 2023 6:17 AM

What you must always do is consider which hypothesis fits the evidence best. While you might be able to shoehorn evidence if you try hard enough to fit the hypothesis you favour you also have to consider whether it also fits the opposing hypothesis … and whether it fits it better.

When you look at the images of both Tokyo and Hiroshima in this film there is absolutely nothing that distinguishes them in terms of destruction profiles.
https://youtu.be/xWCUvDVZT94

There are also other indicators of hoaxery such as the typical “revelation of the method” signs in the naming of bombs (Little Boy and Fat Man) and the planes that flew them. Which pilot is going to call the plane he flew to horribly bomb a whole city after his mother – Enola Gay. “Bockscar” with little wings and a box car painted on the plane that dropped the bomb on Nagasaki named after the alleged pilot Bock (but who supposedly was replaced by another pilot at the last minute) – they always love to make it complicated. Also painted on the plane the number 77 – they love connecting their psyops.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bockscar

What says that Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren’t firebombed? Where is the favouring of atomic bomb taking into consideration possible fakery?

There are numerous angles that favour fake including the images of the alleged bombs.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/nuclear-weapons-hoax.html

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
May 8, 2023 3:04 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I got to 1:30 in the video and I proposed a solution to their supposed slam-dunk problem. Rather than addressing this solution, the defenders of the no-nukes theory engage in deflection. Consequently, the explanation which best fits the available evidence is that the whole thing is another “flat-earther” psyop.

Researcher
Researcher
May 8, 2023 7:11 PM

Where is this mythical concrete covered periscope camera? Surely it was such a feat of technical wonderment, the nuke crew made a propaganda movie about its creation? It doesn’t exist.

Just as the mythical nukes don’t exist.

The top section of your imaginary periscope concrete covered camera device has to be open to view. Using GLASS or crystal. Any heat or blast force from an alleged nuke blast would melt/smash the opening and penetrate inside the shaft, destroying the mirror/ prism and camera lens.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
May 8, 2023 7:40 PM
Reply to  Researcher

There’s the concept of “blast radius”. At 1km, everything would presumably get vapourised. At 100km, there wouldn’t be much effect. Between those two extremes, the degree of effect would depend on distance.

At a distance where the house is blown away, a well-built concrete structure would easily survive. And a bullet-proof window pointing at the house, rather than the blast, and shielded by the concrete structure, would also survive.

The claim in the video is that such an arrangement is not possible. The onus is on you, with your garbage psyop, to support that claim.

Researcher
Researcher
May 8, 2023 9:38 PM

Wrong. The house is supposed to be well within the blast radius. That’s the entire point of the propaganda film.

Bullet proof glass is just two layers of glass sandwiched with plastic film in between. Your asinine explanation is 1. Impossible and 2. a fabrication YOU can’t support.

Glass will not resist the alleged 6,000C-300,000C degree temperatures of a supposed nuke.

The psyop is Nukes and the fear programming and propaganda.

I put the links up for serious people with open minds and critical faculties. Not you.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
May 8, 2023 10:27 PM
Reply to  Researcher

EM Radiation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law
The density of flux lines is inversely proportional to the square of the distance from the source because the surface area of a sphere increases with the square of the radius. Thus the field intensity is inversely proportional to the square of the distance from the source.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
May 9, 2023 2:52 AM

My two rules of critical thinking are:

  • Aim to prove your hypothesis wrong
  • Confine analysis to the most relevant irrefutable facts in the first instance

Irrefutable fact 1:
There is zero difference in the destruction profiles of Hiroshima and Tokyo after bombing. This 4-minute video all on its own – in the absence of any convincing evidence to the contrary (of which there is none) – exposes the myth of the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima https://youtu.be/xWCUvDVZT94

Please respond to this most relevant and irrefutable fact before we move onto the next one.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
May 9, 2023 3:06 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I don’t give a fuck about YOUR two rules or YOUR methods of analysing a problem. In fact I wasn’t even addressing YOU. Unless, of course, YOU and RESEARCHER are one and the same. Instead, I was addressing one very specific issue raised in the video. If you don’t wish to debate that issue, then fuck off!

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
May 10, 2023 3:49 AM

Re your comment below:
I understand your irritation with me for putting my nose into your argument on a different tangent – not that it cannot continue around my interferences though – however now that I’ve put my nose in and you’ve responded if only to tell me to get lost I shall return to this point.

You say that because no-nukes people have engaged in deflection, the explanation that fits the available evidence best is that the whole thing is another “flat-earther” psyop.

Assuming it’s occurred, deflection on one point is far from sufficient to make an argument against the whole. There are numerous pieces of evidence that expose the hoaxery of a nuclear bomb in Hiroshima and certain very, very clear ones. Without clear evidence that the bombing of Hiroshima was by an atomic bomb and not by the same types of firebombing used on other Japanese cities including Tokyo (and there isn’t any as far as I can tell but perhaps you can point to it) you need to be able to respond to ALL the pieces favouring hoaxery … and in the case of what’s under discussion even if your explanation for how images could be taken under certain conditions is sound it cannot work in any shape or form to debunk the case for the firebombing of Hiroshima.

Rules of critical thinking are extremely important because they guide us to our conclusions and I think it’s important that we can define the rules that guide us. The reason that people come to different conclusions often is due to their different rules for determining what’s true. I wonder what your rules are or if you have defined rules.

Placental Mammal
Placental Mammal
May 8, 2023 12:13 AM
Reply to  Researcher

Bovine excreta.

Captain Birdheart
Captain Birdheart
May 8, 2023 1:05 AM

C’mon man, as a no planer, be nice to a no nuker, your both globers (?), so, em..

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
May 8, 2023 2:51 AM
Reply to  Researcher

I was vaguely aware of Tyrone McCloskey’s work on the fakery of the JFK assassination on POM but it somehow didn’t properly register – thanks for that (also with you on the nuclear weapons fakery). I’ve only just started reading it. So interesting the indications of predictive programming earlier in the day. Typical!

JFKTV – The Kennedy Assassination as Television Programming (10-part series) by Tyrone McCloskey

“Earlier that day, the President had attended a breakfast in Fort Worth, which was also broadcast on local television. Prior to the President’s emergence in the grand ballroom of the Texas Hotel, the commentator described in some detail how a serious breach in security had cost President McKinley his life.

Back at Love Field [Dallas airport], nervous commentary by the local television reporter explained what a breach of security it was for the President to defy protocols and spontaneously approach such a large crowd. These two commentaries were subtle preps televised for the public to process at a very subconscious level: that the death of the President was inevitable and largely his own fault.

A Method to the Madness

These commentaries can be described as predictive programming and prepare the viewer at the subconscious level for accepting the seemingly inevitable. This is another clue in determining that this assassination event was scripted well in advance.”

Edward, will you ever recognise the fake binary propaganda strategy that creates such powerful myths for both the anticipated believers and the anticipated disbelievers alike … or is the cognitive dissonance too difficult for you to handle at this stage?

Hypothesis A: Lone shooter, Lee Harvey Oswald, killed JFK.
Hypothesis B: A powerful cabal was responsible for the killing of JFK

Reality: No one killed JFK, it was a completely staged event, made very clear to us when you look at the primary evidence:

— the impossibility of the photos of the alleged dead body of JFK matching the gruesome head explosion we are shown in the Zapruder film or even removing consideration of the impact of the alleged shooting, JFK himself.

— the mismatch between any still in the footage of LHO being shot and famous photo

The believers are right about the disbelievers’ hypothesis being wrong and the disbelievers are right about the believers’ hypothesis being wrong … so everyone’s wrong and no one’s right!

What outcome could be better for those in power? Oh my goodness, do they practice that propaganda strategy to their hearts’ content … and get away with it every single time.

Matt Black
Matt Black
May 8, 2023 9:12 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

This is all you need to read, from wikidpedia:

Zapruder was a Freemason and an Inspector-General (33rd degree) of the Scottish Rite.[5]

judith
judith
May 8, 2023 12:11 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Right. So JFK left his beautiful wife and adorable children to face being killed and then go into hiding. Maybe on Aristotle Onassis’ yacht?

Then, I suppose, RFK, his brother, had the same idea. And he didn’t even get to see his youngest who hadn’t even been born yet.

MLK thought that was a great idea and off he goes leaving wife and kiddies behind.

Malcolm X?

And then, what, JFK Jr., his wife and sister in law?

Are they all on a desert island?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
May 8, 2023 1:00 PM
Reply to  judith

Judith, I’m as mystified as you are as to what happened to him and why his assassination was faked. Utterly mystified. But the evidence clearly shows fakery. Besides, do you really think they would have tried to kill him in such a precarious situation? I really don’t think so.

And all the others? Weell, RFK’s looks faked too … I know it just goes on and on but look at the evidence. What does the evidence show? Maybe Junior joined his dad.

Researcher
Researcher
May 8, 2023 5:59 PM
Reply to  judith

What do you think Order Out of Chaos means? The cryptocracy fabricate the CHAOS to justify the unnecessary and unlawful ORDER (tyranny).

MLK faked. Look at the picture of the “witnesses” pointing. Have you ever seen anything more staged?

Malcolm X faked.

Kennedy clan and their ilk can buy ISLANDS, plural. Private islands. Private resorts. Private and secret orgs. Private genealogical societies. Private estates. Private jets. Millions of acres all over the world are privately owned by the Masonic cryptocracy-cabal. Billions of dollars at their fingertips. Any country on earth available for residency.

Witness protection probably doesn’t (only) protect “witnesses”. It provides colluders/actors with new identities, new passports, new occupations. The faked assassinations are just retirement from “public“ life and fake activism.

Researcher
Researcher
May 8, 2023 7:00 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

The Hegelian Dialectic works best when providing the audience with two (or more) false conflicting hypotheses. No assassinations means no perpetrators. One staged event (operation) after another. Scripted, alchemical psychodramas. Psychological warfare.

Yet basic truths about all governments and constitutions being unlawful, undemocratic, privately owned tyrannies goes un-debated and undisclosed.

correspondencecommitttee
correspondencecommitttee
May 7, 2023 11:09 PM

If RFK’s a nonviolent warrior, why’s he making a bid to be commander-in-chief of the state’s monopoly of institutionalized violence? Those who work for change within the system always seem to forget how the system works within them. And if it’s not working through them well enough, there’s always the checks and balances of the government bureaucracy to block and bind them from effective action, or simply replace them, even with extreme prejudice. And that’s assuming they’ve made it past propaganda media and electoral fraud and party politricks and….  

We don’t need another hero, the latest rinse-and-repeat routine of political theater. We need to overhaul the whole stinking rot of systemic rule over us, across political-economic-cultural institutions captured and controlled by those who’ve long been waging class war on multiple fronts of the fascist corporate state, building the kind of totalitarian network of top-down social engineering to pull off the plandemic and global coup underway since 2020.  

At the root of the poly-crises we face is the right of the rich to rule over the masses of us, human resources for their use and abuse. Counting on some benevolent patrician to rouse the masses seems backwards, even contrary to such precedent as both JFK and RFK senior being at best late on the scene of such people’s movements of the 60s as civil rights, rising up from the grassroots of human relations much more independent of established power than any CEO for the Fortune 500 brokering power among partners in crime.  

What’s with the continual appeal to ‘democracy’ within this rigged racket of organized crime calling itself the national interest? Since this country was founded upon constitutional coup by propertied elites to take over where the British left off, most of what little freedom we the people may have had has been fought for, every bloody inch.  

Maybe most of us, having no great predatory stakes in the war of all against all, do desire to live in peace, but at what price do we keep keep running away from fighting the death march into a prison planet? What’s passed for a peace movement over past decades has too often fetishized nonviolence at the expense of militancy in mounting organized self-defense against the full spectrum dominance of systemic violence coming at us. Perhaps peace in this case is a pastime of professional classes remote from struggles of working classes, which translate Homeric epics into daily grinds of demoralization beyond words. 

I’m feeling pretty demoralized myself, but not so desperate as to look to some single figure or figurehead to at most buy us a bit more time before we do what we must to bring about the necessary social revolution it will take to save ourselves from the barbarians within the gates. 

NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
May 7, 2023 9:44 PM

It’s not surprising that Ukrainians sided with the Nazis after the horrors inflicted on them by the Bolsheviks. It’s an example of the violent reaction. method that rebounds throughout history. It’s ironic that Zelensky is now shouting about bringing in millions of immigrants to make the place multicultural. Stoke up a war to exterminate the nationalists, bring in a new bunch of rootless disorganized suckers, then the oligarchs return from their Swiss hotels and fleece them to the bone. Same old same old. Ever heard of the Kalergi Plan?

Violet
Violet
May 8, 2023 10:07 AM
Reply to  NixonScraypes

Without it Europe will not survive.

Barbara Lerner Specter.

NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
May 8, 2023 3:25 PM
Reply to  Violet

Barbara Lerner Sphincter is talking through her Arse.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
May 8, 2023 2:40 PM
Reply to  NixonScraypes

Mr Zelensky needs millions of immigrants as a fresh audience for his lack of humor. Most persons coming here have no clue regarding the Kalergi Plan. >

“The man of the future will be race-mixed.”
—Richard Coudenhove-Kalergi

“The Kalergi Plan consists of the genocide of white people through miscegenation and mass immigration of non-whites to Europe. This plan, drawn up in 1923 by Count Richard Kalergi, is inspired by human mastery over farm animals. It seeks to generate a passive, tame, predictable and manipulable mixed race, of inferior character and intelligence, over which the Jewish aristocratic elite could eternally rule, since this inferior mind would prevent them from organizing to rebel, and even realize that they are dominated.”

A) Kalergi Plan; The Extinction Of The White Race : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

There are other informational links I’ve posted on various sites over the years. Like Mr Zelensky’s former adoration club, the Kelergi Plan seems to play to an audience of crickets…

NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
May 8, 2023 4:07 PM

Thanks for those details, the lack of which always annoys me in other people’s posts but they mysteriously absent themselves in mine.

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
May 8, 2023 10:19 PM

100 yr all coming along very well soo far counter to the bolt & nut legion insisting either a flat or spring washer or both. Stop! I have rubber band.
Brilliant!

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
May 8, 2023 3:26 PM
Reply to  NixonScraypes

Kiev did the first blood though. Its government was actively pro-German and anti-Soviet as soon as Ukraine was declared autonomous:

“It [Ukraine] was proclaimed an autonomous republic, by virtue of the Bolshevik declarations that any part of the former Empire could exercise until secession the right to independence. A government, the ‘Rada’, was therefore established in Kiev: its most prominent figures were Vinnichenko and Simon Petlioura. He was immediately anti-Soviet, received aid from France and provoked the anger of Petrograd by helping the counter-revolutionary forces of Kaledine on the Don and by opposing the advance of the red troops sent against him. Nevertheless, when, on January 9, 1918, a delegation arrived in Brest, in response to Trotsky’s appeal to all the warring nations, Trotsky recognized to these delegates the right to speak in the name of an independent Ukraine.

“The Ukrainians mixed with the Germans and entertained friendly relations with the representatives of the Central Powers whose greatness filled them with reverence. They were new to the dangerous game of diplomacy. In addition, the base of their government was unstable and they wanted to conclude a hasty peace and thus win German aid to the shaky cabinet of Kiev. Kulhmann and Hoffmann [of the German delegation] would have been happy to satisfy the wishes of the Rada. They saw in peace with Ukraine a suspended threat on Petrograd.
(…)
“On January 30, the sessions were resumed in Brest. Trotsky did not come back alone; he had brought back, as he had announced at the resumption of the conference, Medvedev and Shakhrai, representatives of the new Ukrainian Soviet government [the Bolsheviks had defeated Kaledine, overthrew the Rada, and constituted a Soviet in Kiev]. There were therefore two delegations in Brest, representing one the Bolshevik Ukraine and the other the bourgeois Ukraine. The latter lost territory and power.
(…)
“ ’According to reports from Ukraine I have before my eyes, writes Hoffmann, the words of Trotsky, did not seem unfounded unfortunately’. For the Rada had lost Kiev and fled, and had no shadow of authority. However, the Germans looked at these difficulties as purely temporary because, says Hoffmann, they could always back it with military support and restore it. Little mattered the actions and decisions of the Ukrainians. A few German divisions could give Ukraine ’free determination’ à la Ludendorff and à la Hoffmann. That’s what happened afterwards. On February 9, the Central Powers signed a separate treaty with the delegates of the deceased Rada. So then, immediately, the Cabinet of the Rada who had taken refuge in Jhitomir ‘invited’ the Germans to help her, and the German army accepted this request of the ‘people’s will’ establishing an anti-Soviet government.”

From a translation of the french edition of Louis Fisher’s The Soviets in World Affairs, 1930

NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
May 8, 2023 3:56 PM

I was thinking of the holodomor and the general beastliness of the communist junta. I view fascism and communism as the same thing with a different label. Whatever their jive, they attract the same sort of people to their centralised power structure.

Researcher
Researcher
May 8, 2023 10:30 PM
Reply to  NixonScraypes

Exactly. Two heads of the same eagle, two sides of the same coin.

Joan-Marie Wood
Joan-Marie Wood
May 7, 2023 9:17 PM

Thank you so much, Mr. Curtain. I agree. And I believe the most important words in your essay are: “RFK Jr. cannot do it alone.He can lead, but we need a vast chorus of millions of voices to resist. . .”the all-powerful elite of the corporation merged with the state and the demands of ‘identity’.” Let us take these words to heart, and act.

mjh
mjh
May 7, 2023 8:30 PM

As I did last week, in response to another column calling attention to RFK Jr’s candidacy, I write before reading the comments. Edward Curtin, thanks for your realistic yet upbeat and hope-filled assessment. I hope most of my fellow O-G readers will avoid mindlessly attacking you because they happen to disagree with RFK Jr’s stand on some issues, or because they assume that his family background makes him necessarily a “stooge.” He is willing to actively and directly challenge the way the way the state and its corporate directors coerce us and attack our liberty. That is, at least, a good start.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
May 8, 2023 7:07 PM
Reply to  mjh

RE: thanks for your realistic yet upbeat and hope-filled assessment.

“Realistic”? The Democrats have announced that they are not going to have primaries in 2024…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l80sZZCdJG0

Not only can RFK Jr not win, he can’t even use his campaign to as a tool to educate the Democratic base to genuinely important issues suppressed by the Democratic Party, MSM and the deep state.

mjh
mjh
May 9, 2023 9:38 AM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

This is not true. No such announcement has been made. The Democrats have re-arranged the order of primaries so that more “powerful” states will go first, I believe. Obviously this is because the party leaders want tighter control over stopping un-approved candidates (like RFK Jr) from getting attention. I wouldn’t put it pass them to put up more hurdles in an effort to deter rivals to Biden. But abolishing primaries all together? No.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
May 9, 2023 2:37 PM
Reply to  mjh

Granted Simone Sanders and the NYT are not official DP spokespeople, however, it sounds very much like they are getting the public ready for cancelling the primaries should they feel the need. The Democratic Party has said on the record, that it is the party leadership who decides on their candidates, that their selection process is not a democratic one at all.

JohnSmith
JohnSmith
May 7, 2023 8:19 PM

According to the actual scriptures, Jesus was not “executed by the Roman state as a subversive criminal”. He was executed by Pilate to appease the Jewish Pharisees who had falsely accused him, as described in Matthew 27:

“Pilate saith unto them, ‘What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ?’ They all say unto him, ‘Let him be crucified!’ And the governor said, ‘Why, what evil hath he done?’ But they cried out the more, saying, ‘Let him be crucified!’

When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, ‘I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it’. Then answered all the people, and said, ‘His blood be on us, and on our children.'”

David
David
May 7, 2023 8:10 PM

Silence is betrayal because it is taken as consent.

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
May 7, 2023 8:03 PM

“Like his father Senator Robert Kennedy and his uncle, President Kennedy, he is anti-war, committed to ending the endless cycle of overseas wars sustained by the military-industrial complex and the corporations who feed at the trough of war spending. He opposes the policies of those politicians who support such endless carnage, which is most of them, including most emphatically Joe Biden. He realizes the danger of nuclear war. ”

Incredible lying. JFK instituted a new US military strategy called “flexible response” when he became president, replacing Eisenhower’s “Massive Retaliation,” which tied the US military to nuclear only. His new strategy built up US conventional forces, and created the Special Forces, enabling the US armed forces to fight a large conventional war as well as counterinsurgencies.

His “Alliance For Progress” which was implemented by the Agency For International Development created Latin America’s death squads structure. He pushed US imperialism in Latin America really hard. His regime overthrew governments in Ecuador, Guatemala, El Salvador, British Guiana, and Iraq, and de facto ousted Canadian prime minister Diefenbaker in early 1963 because he refused to arm Canada’s air defense missiles with US nukes and integrate that system into the US NORAD. He pushed US interests hard in Europe, Africa and Asia as well.

And he pushed nuke tests as much as possible, in the face of criticisms over the creation of massive fallout over the Pacific. Some of us are old enough to remember.

Robert Kennedy never came out in favor of pulling the US out of Vietnam, only for Vietnamizing the fighting as much as possible (Vietnamese to do the ground fighting with US air and navy support) and “negotiations.”

JohnSmith
JohnSmith
May 7, 2023 8:34 PM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

The Kennedy admin, like every admin since WW2, was dominated by members of the liberal-fascist Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) including Rusk, McNamara, Dillon, McCone, etc.

Today, CFR members on the “Biden team” include the secretaries of State, Treasury, Defense, Commerce and ‘Homeland Security’. Also the CIA director, Fed chairman, and dozens of deputies, advisors, ambassadors, etc.

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
May 7, 2023 10:30 PM
Reply to  JohnSmith

You left out Robert Roosa, assistant Sec of Treasury, former head of the NY branch of the Fed Reserve, who went on to be a close adviser to Bobby Kennedy in his ’68 run, then was a charter founding member of the Trilateral Commission in 1973, and then a close adviser to Ted Kennedy in his ’80 run.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
May 7, 2023 9:01 PM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

Look, I don’t deify JFK, RFK or their kids.

I am not familar with some of your overthrows. Guatemala was overthrown in 1954, before Kennedy. I was not familiar with El Salvador in January of 1961, but chances are that Kennedy had little to do it as he would have been in office only a week or so; same with the assassination Patrice Lumumba (which he did not order). Also, I am not aware of an overthrow of Honduras between ’61-63.

My basic position towards all US presidents, is that you don’t get close to the office w/o being vetted thoroughly, that is, the candidate will serve the interests of the ruling class. JFK, the candidate, was a more hawkish Cold Warrior than Nixon (Ike had to bring candidate Jack into the WH as there was indeed a “missle gap” but it was in the US’s favor, JFK’s opposite position must have been very reassuring to the MIC).

I don’t don’t seek to idealize the Kennedys, but JFK was assassinated for a reason.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
May 7, 2023 9:26 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

I don’t don’t seek to idealize the Kennedys, but JFK was assassinated for a reason.

Mafiosi are also assassinated for a reason (or reasons).

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
May 7, 2023 11:34 PM

The CIA and the Mob are one organization.

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
May 8, 2023 1:31 AM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

JFK appointed in November 1961a war profiteer and head of the Atomic Energy Commission John McCone to run the CIA once Allen Dulles left. He went on to overthrow a bunch of governments, as i’ve stated below. The one coup he opposed, Diem in “South Vietnam.” JFK went ahead and carried out anyway.

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
May 7, 2023 10:37 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

Guatemala coup was in March ’63, came after meetings which JFK took part in, Miami Herald had a piece about it in Dec ’66. El Salvador was in October ’63. Iraq in March ’63. The ousting of Diefenbaker was described by Richard Sanders in Global Research March 31, 2003, and again April 4, 2021.

JFK double crossed the Mafia. It got him elected by delivering Illinois, a favor to his father. He and Bobby turned around and indicted a bunch of top figures. Not something the Mafia forgives.

Maxwell
Maxwell
May 8, 2023 2:47 AM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

Guatemala was overthrown by the US in ’54 and ’63.

It was a busy time.

George Mc
George Mc
May 7, 2023 7:10 PM

Well the crud spreader is now in full flow as Tucker becomes the embodiment of all the evil in the world:

https://www.wired.com/story/tucker-carlson-fox-news-disinformation/

“The Internet That Tucker Carlson Built” no less! Well who would have thought that TC could have had such far reaching, nay Godlike, powers! And here was me thinking the threat to the ruling order was an immense array of independent critical thinkers when all along it was TC’s Satanic creation!

And all the memes of the new “post-neoliberal wokeist collective” are present, correct, and being rammed down your throat. The term “far-right” appears no less than 14 times, “conspiracy” and its derivations appears 8 times, “white” in relations to skin colour appears 11 times, and “liberal” (used as the Carlson configuration’s designated enemy) appears 5 times.

Or perhaps it was a case of our evil demagogue feeding the poison that was already there?

“The former Fox News host didn’t just fuel far-right politics in the US. His rants have fed conspiracy theorists and extremists all over the world.”

And what of these conspiracies? To “force people to eat bugs as “a compliance test” to see how pliable they’d be to state control”?

Oh how silly! More perturbing for our “scientifically minded” media is the labelling of climate change as a “so-called” crisis to “rule by fear.” Oh how sillier!

But wake up people! Tucker is “a dark spot tracking across the global internet” appealing to “antivax groups and globalist conspiracy theory groups like QAnon….The narratives he’s pushed have been picked up and amplified by Russian disinformation campaigns…”
Also a reminder that TC supported the “rioters” in “the January 6 insurrection”.
 
TC has “spun a story of a US that is relentlessly under attack from the forces of liberalism and “wokeism,” one where immigration, affirmative action, and attempts to confront the country’s history of slavery are a direct attack on white America”.

And if that isn’t appalling enough:

“In 2020, one of the writers on Carlson’s show was fired for posting racist, sexist, and homophobic content on the 4chan-like message board AutoAdmit.”

And

“Pushing the idea that London—whose popular, left-wing, Muslim mayor is a target of hate on Fox—is in violent chaos and terminal decline helps demonstrate the supposed dangers of liberal rule.”

“popular, left-wing” ??!!

Quick! We need a bit of Orwellian hokey cokery!:

“But the lie then enters a feedback loop, with UK far-right groups picking up Fox’s coverage and using it to validate their own prejudices.”

Oh and before the terminally hard of thinking start spouting off about how I’m standing up for TC, let me say this clearly:

Yes Carlson is a wanker. Just as much as Trump is. But these are the figures who are being set up as the designated straw man hate figures along with the equally manufactured QAnon and 4chan etc. And any real critical voices out there will be stirred into this artificially demonic brew along with the splendidly appalling ingredients of “white supremacism”, “anti-Semitism”, “Right”, “Far-Right”, “medieval”, “science rejection”, “denialism”, and all the rest.

All set for the endless “two minute” hate.
 

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
May 7, 2023 9:10 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Just goes to show you that Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) is not a thing of the past. TDS represented the fake pretext for the construction of now a vast censorship/disinformation industrial complex which is only beginning to flex its muscles…

Yep
Yep
May 8, 2023 2:07 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Cucker is a Russian shill

paul
paul
May 7, 2023 6:42 PM

Trumpo promised to bring the troops home.
Obomber said something very similar.
How did that work out?

Ever heard of the following Red Indian tribes?
Wampanoags, Nipmucs, Pocumtucs, Narragansetts.
Probably not.
They were exterminated by European settlers as an act of policy.

Ever heard of the following tribes?
Comanches, Apaches, Sioux.
Almost certainly.
They were exterminated as well.
But they fought back as savagely as humanly possible.
So at least they are remembered while others are not.

Lizzyh7
Lizzyh7
May 7, 2023 5:44 PM

“As President, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. will start the process of unwinding empire. We will bring the troops home. We will stop racking up unpayable debt to fight one war after another. The military will return to its proper role of defending our country. We will end the proxy wars, bombing campaigns, covert operations, coups, paramilitaries, and everything else that has become so normal most people don’t know it’s happening. But it is happening, a constant drain on our strength. It’s time to come home and restore this country. . . . We will lead by example. When a warlike imperial nation disarms of its own accord, it sets a template for peace everywhere. It is not too late for us to voluntarily let go of empire and serve peace instead, as a strong and healthy nation.”

If only. Where have we heard this before? 2016? 2008? I’m sure we’ve heard this many times before that as well, I no longer really remember. And really, I just love that shot at the end – “he can’t do it alone” and we will have to MAKE it happen. And when it doesn’t happen, as it never does, then will that too be all of our fault for not trying hard enough? For not donating enough of our money? For not getting out there and canvassing the votes and believing fervently in that whole savior narrative? That’s what we are usually told and it is most certainly always implied.

When Sanders openly and blatantly capitulated to the Democratic Party he didn’t say that out loud, but it was surely implied. All those true believers out there, who still somehow think, despite all evidence, that had Hillary won she would have corrected all the ills, although even they have to admit she would not have stopped the wars. If only people would just get out and vote the right party into power, why those “progressives” would change things if we believed in them enough. But we did not, we wanted actions and not pretty words, and that is simply too much to ask.

So, once again, here we are, wars still ongoing and more in the works. Our country is being rapidly decimated by the openly corrupt who no longer even bother to attempt to lie about how cheaply many of them have sold out. We are on the precipice of totalitarian fascism, and this time it’s coming in the name of justice and equality, which is a complete and utter farce, although that is most likely nothing new under the sun either. We have people rotting in jail for attempting to express their dissatisfaction with another sham of an election, bank accounts frozen, massive legal bills only increasing while funds for that are running lower and lower, lives put on hold, jobs gone, homes lost, while the real criminals are up there on the TV screen telling us once again that if we just get out there and believe, they will work for us this time, they swear.

We have a “left wing” that has completely lost any bearing it once had on real justice or even reality, that is too busy shaming those of us who might use an incorrect pronoun or God forbid use a plastic bag at the grocery store, while the wars go on and on and on, and the corruption is all but openly accepted. The lies get bigger and more brazen every day, but no one questions them, and those who do question them are consigned to the loony bin, told they are being too negative, told they are terrorists and granny killers for even asking.

And you think we can vote our way out of this? I have to wonder, does RFK Jr himself really believe that? Or does he know that this is all farce and distraction, while the surveillance state gets ready for that final and terminal clamp down? Is this the show to keep us from seeing that until it is too late?

paul
paul
May 7, 2023 6:46 PM
Reply to  Lizzyh7

Ah, but this time, L., it really, really, really is different.
Honest.
Just put your trust in the system one more time.
I’m really, really, really sure it will all work out this time and you won’t be disappointed.

Matt Black
Matt Black
May 8, 2023 9:19 AM
Reply to  paul

spot on paul, i heard Starmer’s new party being called ‘new’ ‘new’ Labour the other day, it really is different this time  😂 

mjh
mjh
May 7, 2023 9:31 PM
Reply to  Lizzyh7

For sure, I certainly worry or fear that RFK Jr will, like Bernie (and Jesse Jackson before him) sell out and cave in. It could be the case. But for now at least he is challenging things.

Ort
Ort
May 8, 2023 8:19 PM
Reply to  mjh

Yeah, if electoral events proceed as usual, and assuming for the sake of this comment that The Ghost of Joe Biden (Barely) Present is duly installed as the Party of Judas’s “nominee”, it’s more likely than not that RFK Jr. will ultimately announce that he is giving Biden his qualified endorsement.

This supposedly qualified, conditional endorsement– reluctantly issued because this election is a crucial watershed– will have more caveats than ants on an expectorated lemon drop. He will express his deep concerns and reservations, and insist that we must do our damndest to keep Biden’s cloven hooves to the fire, etc. 

In short, all of the same accommodationist crap all would-be mavericks spew when the idealistic “consciousness-raising” purpose of the campaign reaches a point of diminishing returns.

This is why I consider knee-jerk partisan loyalty to be an unredeemed pathology. 😠

mjh
mjh
May 9, 2023 8:22 PM
Reply to  Ort

I don’t have “knee jerk partisan loyalty” and neither does Ed Curtin, I presume. I don’t even live in the US anymore! I live in a country — New Zealand — which has several parties; 2 big ones and a half a dozen smaller ones; the 2 big ones might rightly be called Tweedledum and Tweedledumber, and it’s a coin toss which is the dumber or more globalist or more evil. But my point is that it generally has coalition governments so that it is at least conceivable a wider range of policy and outlook options are possible for consideration. I support, with open eyes I assure you, one of these smaller parties. Is it perfect? No. Can it achieve a lot of its goals? Not usually. Politics involves compromise. Sorry, but true. But this little party presents, in its own way, an alternative to neo-liberal economics and control by outside powers. To me, RFK Jr looks like someone who might just do the same. Will he? Well, we will see, won’t we?

Martha
Martha
May 8, 2023 3:06 AM
Reply to  Lizzyh7

No, from listening to him speak, I don’t think he really believes he can get anywhere close to the Presidency. But running gives him access to EARS that he wouldn’t have access to as just the president of Children’s Health Defense. I think his goal is to wake people up.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
May 7, 2023 5:43 PM

RE: “…but one who seeks to reconcile the warring parties.”

To make a historical comparison the ‘warring parties” would be the Nazi machine aided by American and British oligarchs and those 6 million dead Jews.

Mr. Curtin, we have a very one-sided war. Millions have already been killed by the lockdown policies and the jabs. We also have many more millions (billions?) who have been harmed economically, scarred psychologically as well those billions who look forward to truncated lives due to the future harm of the bio-warfare campaign (the jabs) – which is not over.

The vast majority of the victims didn’t even know that there was a war going on – and still don’t. Those who have woken up to this war on humanity, are hardly a fighting force, are barely organized, have few resources and spend most trying to break free of Cassandra’s curse, that most people will not believe them that there is indeed a war going on.

We are not in a place for reconciliation here. The crimes that have been and continue to be committed have not even been acknowledged.

That sort of thinking only absolves the massive aggression of the ruling class that continues unabated. The Pandemic is not over because it never existed. What is over is only the first phase of a so far successful military campaign.

Maxwell
Maxwell
May 8, 2023 2:50 AM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

We are not in a place for reconciliation here. The crimes that have been and continue to be committed have not even been acknowledged.

That sort of thinking only absolves the massive aggression of the ruling class that continues unabated. The Pandemic is not over because it never existed. What is over is only the first phase of a so far successful military campaign.

Just wanted to emphasize this- very astute.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
May 7, 2023 5:29 PM
Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
May 10, 2023 12:10 AM

I love these de-feminized masculine western women, breaking their neck when doing men’s work.

Kacsynski2
Kacsynski2
May 7, 2023 4:49 PM

If you’re firmly committed to picking up those dice for the 47th time & you feel convinced that’ll change matter’s.
Then no argument will sway the writer or those of similar outlook.

The previous 46 times those bloodstained dice have been rolled. They seem, preordained, to end up in a far removed place. Than the promise’s & the gusto in delivering of said promise’s, initially apparently intended. Is that arguable, really?

If people see the event in 2020. As a clear signal that we’re under one world governance NOW & likely have been for a very long time indeed. Then rolling the dice on anyone seems a further grave error.
Akin to returning to an ex who is clearly & obviously still cheating on you & seeks to abuse you.

We don’t have leaders or electoral systems that represent our interests. We are under one world governance NOW. The rest appears, for discussions divisions distractions & audience participation theatre such as here & especially the charde of voting.

If as certain writers & commentators here appear to believe. That we’re watching a macabre punch & judy show of sorts. Whereby were encouraged to pick from an endless cast of runner’s & rider’s. That ultimately take us in ever decreasing circles.
Then concurrently appearing to promote certain leaders. Shows the important lessons of 2020 & Lockstep haven’t been fully accepted. Find that disheartening.

Always seen voters as masochists with amnesia. Worse sometimes. As no matter who you vote for someone is going to get hurt. You only vote, most do, as they don’t want it to be them.

Roll those bloodstained dream taking soul destroying corrupted dice again. But don’t feign bemusement if the 47 time wasn’t a charm.

Those of esoteric inclination. Will know the significance of 47 to Freemasons, think square & compass.

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
May 7, 2023 8:40 PM
Reply to  Kacsynski2

You hit on why I’ve never voted. If I may..
>..as no matter who you vote for someone is going to get hurt. You only vote, most do, as they don’t want it to be them.<
Cheers.

Kacsynski2
Kacsynski2
May 8, 2023 8:36 PM
Reply to  Clive Williams

Cheers Clive,Made a right mess of this though.

“Than the promise’s & the gusto in delivering of said promise’s, initially apparently intended. Is that arguable, really”

meant

Than the promise’s & the gusto of the delivery of said promise’s, that were initially, apparently intended.

Brutally

No matter who you vote for someone gets hurt. You only vote because you don’t want it to be you.

The shit that’s caused me 🤣 boo hoo

UncleWalrus
UncleWalrus
May 7, 2023 4:44 PM

Selling both RFK.JR and “multi polarity” at the same time, impressive. I do enjoy the dfifferent viewpoints that OFFG allows but personally I will not allow someone to “fear” me into statism or the fake theatre of “representative democracy”,nor will I be worshipping a man(in this case RFK.JR) because “we might face a nuclear war”, please!
We all know “nuclear war” is bad for business, and to what extent it has actualy been a “real problem” in the past I’m starting to wonder, heres a picture of Khrushchev and Nixon drinking Pepsi to examplify how I and probably many others feel about the situation:comment image ,Now I am not one of those “everything is fake” people, merely “a lot of things are a theatre production” person, I suggest Mr Curtin apply to become the great saint Bob’s road manager instead of continuing to write these articles(altough this is ofcourse Mr Curtins right as an autonomous individual), a rich man is going to save us if we only clinch our buttocks and clack our heels just hard enough and wish whilst we vote and keep all the evil multinational predators away!Great, we got the point now!

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
May 7, 2023 7:16 PM
Reply to  UncleWalrus

The “Movement” is still so hung up on a 22-year-old “controversy” (LIHOP or MIHOP) that we haven’t even got to such esoteric matters as the fact that much of the Cold War was hammy theatrics. Khrushchev was obviously Uncle Sam’s comedic straight-man, so Uncle Sam could deliver all the best lines. I mean, what kind of “bellicose Soviet tyrant” is going to fly to New York to deliver his “anti-Imperialist lines” ? I’m not saying no one actually died, or that mega-deaths were never possible, back then: TFIC have no problem killing off Serfs… but they like to do it in subtle ways which further the agenda (e.g. declaring wars). They don’t want to scare the cattle into a stampede.

Why are we so behind in our “investigations” into the mechanisms of The Real World behind The Screen? Is it because the pursuit has turned onto a mere hobby?

UncleWalrus
UncleWalrus
May 7, 2023 9:14 PM

You made a great point about “not causing stampedes”, all the “decline” is carefully “managed and contained” in almost every case.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
May 7, 2023 10:01 PM
Reply to  UncleWalrus

Yep!

Albert Anderson
Albert Anderson
May 7, 2023 4:14 PM

Great essay.

Jonathan K X
Jonathan K X
May 7, 2023 4:05 PM

Curtin’s profuse deification of RFKJ has become self-parody. You can take just about any Chuck Norris joke, sub in “RFK Jr.” and it looks like it was written by Curtin.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
May 7, 2023 6:49 PM
Reply to  Jonathan K X

Early in this development I started calling RFKjr “JFKjr” but now I’m going to have to start referring to him as “JFK,” I see. Some of my crypto-Liberal acquaintances, in the Skeptic Pool, are going nuts for this candidacy notion. Well, they went nuts for BHO (at first), too. And then “Bernie!” Pavlov’s Seals. Flap flap.

Howard
Howard
May 7, 2023 3:39 PM

If forgiving egregious acts could convince the perpetrator(s) to stop performing them, then it might be of some practical value.

Crucifixion continued within the Roman empire until Emperor Constantine abolished it in the 4th century after Christ’s birth. So we must conclude that when Jesus said to forgive them for they know not what they do, they were not humbled into ceasing the activity. They knew perfectly well what they did – and why they did it. And they would continue doing it for another 400 years.

Would you call that “better late than never?”

Howard
Howard
May 7, 2023 4:07 PM
Reply to  Howard

I’d like to add one thing here. The real horror of the crucifixion of Jesus was that the Romans were perhaps the most law abiding people in the ancient world.

As such, Jesus was not killed so much because his teachings were considered dangerous as because he broke the law by committing acts of sedition. The Law demanded his death; so he was killed.

Wherever you find Law, you find corruption. Because Laws are always top down; and never apply to the law givers.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
May 8, 2023 12:05 AM
Reply to  Howard

Man-made law is the problem, as is lack of introspection and self-discipline by individuals.

Seansaighdeor
Seansaighdeor
May 8, 2023 8:56 AM
Reply to  Howard

It was the Pharisee’s who demanded Jesus death – not the ‘law’ per se. Pilate acquiesced to appease the Jewish leaders as he needed their support to continue his rule.

While I agree with the general point of the law Pilate said that he ‘broke no law’ but executed him anyway.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
May 10, 2023 12:15 AM
Reply to  Seansaighdeor

Didnt Pilate washed his hands, saying the crowd of Zionists condemned their own Leader to death? So he broke no Roman law, only followed the local habits.

les online
les online
May 7, 2023 11:58 PM
Reply to  Howard

And the Obedient Ones who allowed the Nazi Atrocities to happen, even participated in their own way, are still eager to make a come-back…They’ve always been amongst us…
Some are employed by the local Social Security branch…

George Mc
George Mc
May 7, 2023 3:18 PM

Did you know that the covid … umm … “pandemic” is a “PHEIC”? A what? A “Public Health Emergency of International Concern”. Which is kind of dull really. Perhaps they could have called it something like a “DEUHMPOLP” (“Deadliest Ever Utterly Horrid Monstrous Plague Of Lovecraftian Proportions”). In any case I think it’s past time for covid to PHEIC off!

George Mc
George Mc
May 7, 2023 3:23 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Oh and I picked up the acronym from this lot:

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/05/06/pers-m06.html

I wasn’t going to post a link but for one thigh-slapper. Do you recall those animated images of deadly clouds hovering over supermarket counters? They were everywhere for a few months into the … umm … “pandemic”. Well the Trotters are still peddling them. Get a load of that diagram of airborne infections half way down where it looks as if one lady is shooting the face hugger from “Alien” at the other!

In cyber space no-one can hear you yawn.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
May 10, 2023 12:22 AM
Reply to  George Mc

What a lousy site. Socialist so what could one expect. So PHEIC is equal to fake. You must admit they are pulling people’s leg 100%.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
May 7, 2023 3:08 PM

The notion that Robert Kennedy Jr (or any other leader) could succeed in stopping the extermination bus, is naive’ at best. The human world is controlled by finance, not opinion.

It seems many readers are still convinced the “United States” is behind most wars and global chaos. Well, perhaps. But the former United States is little more than a proxy corporation organized under the patronages of European banking cartels. Get over it. >

How Private Interests and the Banking Dynasties Control Washington
Shane Quinn
October 13, 2022
How Private Interests and the Banking Dynasties Control Washington – Global ResearchGlobal Research – Centre for Research on Globalization

Excerpted from the article: The strongest branch of the Federal Reserve is the New York Federal Reserve Bank, which fell under the control of 8 long-established banking families. Only 4 of these dynasties hail from largely American backgrounds, which are Goldman Sachs, the Rockefellers, Lehman Brothers and Kuhn Loeb. The other 4 are the Rothschilds in Paris and London, the Warburgs from Germany, the Lazards from France and Israel Moses Sieff from Britain.

Yup…

ScamDemic
ScamDemic
May 7, 2023 2:33 PM

I present this short 3 minute video to anyone who might be interested in my personal observations from a resent trip to Taiwan. There is the full version of this video on the channel page, if anyone cares enough to watch?
 

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
May 8, 2023 12:12 AM
Reply to  ScamDemic

Thank you!

Hannah
Hannah
May 7, 2023 2:33 PM

I am a very big fan of Edward Curtin and always enjoy his writing on OG, particularly his thoughtful and whimsical style.

I usually agree with him more than not, but on this occasion find myself taking a largely different view.

But that’s OK.

That’s the beauty of free speech and open debate. The opportunity to hear and express different, opposing opinions. It’s how we learn and communicate and educate ourselves and each other.

What we don’t do is greet the mere whisper of an opinion different from our own with shrieks of derision and accusations of bad faith.

Newsflash – not everyone who disagrees with us is a shill! My husband is jabbed and a fan of Hillary and AOC. But we share a bank account so I’d know if the Dems were paying him to argue with me ineffectually over dinner!

Edward is bang to rights about so much in my view. And a wonderful writer. I feel able to accept, absorb and find interesting those opinions he has that differ from mine.

Perhaps a couple people here could try that approach?

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
May 7, 2023 4:30 PM
Reply to  Hannah

I feel able to accept, absorb and find interesting those opinions he has that differ from mine.

The power to call bullshit bullshit, on the other hand, is surely more useful when defending against a globally-orchestrated effort, to nullify the opposition, by destroying any strong sense of, or attachment to, the Truth. Is that how you would “debate” Klaus Schwab? “Yes, Klaus, I do see your POV… but I must say I’m not entirely in agreement on one or two of the fine points….”

What a toothless “resistance” you advocate. Do you think that any “allies” you can accumulate, by being “nice” or wishy-washily “fair and balanced,” are genuine? You’re pandering to fence-sitters who will go whichever way is convenient, ultimately. This is the crypto-Liberal rot eating out the heart of a Focused, knowledgeable and Un-Dupe-Able Resistance. “Resistance” doesn’t mean living in a scene from the Terminator movies (crafted by the Ruling Structure, btw), it means that you, yourself, will NOT, under any circumstances, COMPLY. With a vengeance.

Your equanimity is probably ideally suited for discussions about your favorite bands or movies, etc. OFFg didn’t just post two essays looking into JFKjr’s candidacy (and digging up a few unfortunate details in the process), they just published two JFKjr FOR PRESIDENT speeches. From beloved supposed Skeptics.

Not odd? Worth only a raised eyebrow? Is OFFg a dear friend you’re afraid of offending? Or a “community” whose delicate feathers shouldn’t be ruffled?

Newsflash – not everyone who disagrees with us is a shill! My husband is jabbed and a fan of Hillary and AOC. But we share a bank account so I’d know if the Dems were paying him to argue with me ineffectually over dinner!

Counter-Newsflash. Anyone who is jabbed and pro-Killary is what’s called a “Useful I****”. Most shills are neither on the payroll nor cognizant of the extent to which they are shilling, because they are so low in the hierarchy of the Machine directing the Propaganda.

For example, you’re probably not aware of the fact that you’ve just deployed the same rhetorical device that many Believers In Official Narratives use to “debunk outlandish theories” and/or their complicity w/r/t same. “I wish I were getting a check from Cass Sunstein! LOL” was and is a common refrain. But you can do Cass Sunstein’s work, for Cass Sunstein, without receiving checks from his castle, or even knowing his name, or understanding the dirty work you’re performing.

Any comfortable sense of the “normative,” that you may work to protect, will work against your ability to ferret out socially awkward Truths. I mean, either you believe the whole machine of this “society” is murderously corrupt and ruthless in pursuit of genocidal goals… and act accordingly “not nice” about all that… or you believe you can casually “resist” while somehow avoiding the rocking of any boats. Being offensive to delicate sensibilities should be the least of anyone’s concerns.

If this isn’t the time to develop a little MILITANCY, when is? After all the cages are slammed shut?

Enjoy the “freedom” to be “offensive” while you can. It won’t be long before your services, as a shushhing school marm, will no longer be required. Type the “wrong” thing online, if TFIC have their way, and…. oooops!... no synthetic-bug-based-fish-treat on Friday for you!

Perhaps a couple people here could try that approach?

Nah. I’ll keep expressing myself like a Free, Aware and Horrified Adult, thanks. A (perish the thought of this dreaded and forbidden word) MAN.
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(PS If this is your response to my response to your “question,” to me, down-thread, it’s taking a fairly passive aggressive form, isn’t it?)

mjh
mjh
May 7, 2023 9:27 PM

A bit paranoid, aren’t we?

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
May 8, 2023 12:13 AM
Reply to  Hannah

Yes, disagree but don’t shoot the messenger.

Sam I am
Sam I am
May 7, 2023 2:12 PM

Thank you, I had not expected to ever read this at OffG.

rossgopicotrain
rossgopicotrain
May 7, 2023 2:06 PM

Oh, no!!!!! – Please say it ain’t so: another purported pillar of the alt news movement (i.e., see C.J. Hopkins & his article, ‘The Great Divide’) – via the OG – endorsing and elevating but one more hero-of-the-day; in an attempt to gain the requisite peace and harmony we all know is just around the corner – if only we abide by this not-so-new and shiny ‘Marvel character’ of the day, nay year, nay decade, nay century! Well, to be perfectly frank: I ain’t drinking the kool aid!!! – for multiple reasons; especially those which incorporate the research and concomitant conclusions on Mr. Kennedy’s past and future associations; that have been made by one Alison McDowell (YT); more specifically:

  1. ‘Her (Celia Farber – RK Jr.’s, ‘fabulous researcher’) advice to the Kennedy campaign was to foreground his Catholic upbringing, which is important given the Vatican’s role in the coming era of social impact finance, especially since many of the donors to RFK Jr.’s long-time former employer, Natural Resources Defense Council, were involved in building out third sector stakeholder capitalism since the 1990s.’
  2. ‘When you watch the 11-minute video, you’ll see that I dig into the Fauci book (RK Jrs., ‘The Real Anthony Fauci’); and note Kennedy’s assertion in the title of Chapter One, “Mismanaging A Pandemic,” that there was indeed a pandemic, and that his white coats and the early treatment protocols endorsed by Children’s Health Defense’s stable of doctors would provide better care for the next pandemic. This framing opens to the door to a lot of questions. Do we believe what we experienced was a pandemic? Do we agree that big-pharma treatments, like Merck’s Ivermectin, are the right way to go for a virus based on a simulated model? Do we understand that these drugs are being set up for social impact finance deals by billionaires like Steve Kirsch?’
  3. ‘Early on, at timestamp 9 minutes, he admits that even though he’s considered the poster boy for the anti-vax movement, he’s not anti-vaccines. Maybe that doesn’t bother people.’
  4. ‘I have a large file to pull from having engaged privately with Mary Holland and Michael Kane on the issues of RFK Jr.’s history in cleantech venture capital investing from a few years ago. One of the most interesting links was the list of funders of the Natural Resources Defense Council where RFK Jr. worked as senior attorney for over twenty years. I presume he’d be aware of the source of his salary, which includes many philanthropies I’ve been tracking in the social impact space for years, including large ongoing contributions from the Rockefeller Foundation.’
  5. ‘I also find it interesting that you’re (i.e., Celia Farber) promoting the Catholic angle for political purposes, since the Vatican is a leader in the impact finance space. Tom Steyer was a major funder of NRDC and seems to follow in the same tracks as RFK Jr. Steyer was a participant in the Vatican’s social impact conferences starting in 2014. I’ll be sure to incorporate your (Celia Farber) advice to RFK Jr. That’s definitely an important angle to include.’
  6. ‘This link is to a screenshot of the table of contents of the book – Chapter 1 – Mismanaging a Pandemic. Can I assume you (Celia Farber) were a researcher for said book? RFK Jr. leads with this frame.1) There was indeed a pandemic.

2) It was mismanaged.
The chapter then goes on to detail at length the pharmaceutical treatments his cohort has endorsed from the beginning. Do you really mean that we are supposed to set aside the framing of his bestselling book and pretend that didn’t happen, or that it doesn’t matter? I’m not really sure what you mean by “can we agree on what makes a fact a fact?” It is a fact that this was the first chapter, and that it sets the tone for what comes next.
“Can we all agree that this is not RFK Jr.’s position, regardless of what the title of a book chapter was that he wrote three years ago?”
Do you not see how those two ideas are incongruent? What you are proposing sounds rather Orwellian.’
So, just to provide a quick summary of Alison’s take on RK Jr., we could invoke the following bullet points:

  1. Robert Kennedy Junior believes in the Covid-19 narrative, i.e., there was a lethal virus that was responsible for many deaths around the world.
  2. Robert Kennedy Junior believes in the lab leak theory of Covid-19; and, as a result, is interested in building countermeasures for any future scenarios akin to this one.
  3. Robert Kennedy Junior is pro-vaccination; and believes that, in the future, nano/bio technologies (aka, ‘vaccinations’) could be the answer for any pandemic scenarios.
  4. Robert Kennedy Junior was a part of an organization (i.e., Natural Resources Defense Council) that was the recipient of largesse by the Rockefeller Foundation.
  5. Robert Kennedy Junior is associated with a company (i.e., Vantage Point Capital) which is in a position to benefit handsomely – monetarily that is – from the Western Health/Medical System (one, by the by, that has been erected – and injected – into every artery and orifice of our social, cultural and political spheres of society over the past 100 or so years; with said reality compounded exponentially thanks to the response to Covid-19).
Matt Black
Matt Black
May 8, 2023 9:46 AM

Great post, Alison is great researcher albeit somewhat inaccessible, she posted an article about RFK’s CHD pushing vaccinology, which I can’t find.

rossgopicotrain
rossgopicotrain
May 7, 2023 1:42 PM

Oh, no!!!!! – Please say it ain’t so: another purported pillar of the alt news movement (i.e., see C.J. Hopkins & his article, ‘The Great Divide’) – via the OG – endorsing and elevating but one more hero-of-the-day; in an attempt to gain the requisite peace and harmony we all know is just around the corner – if only we abide by this not-so-new and shiny ‘Marvel character’ of the day, nay year, nay decade, nay century! Well, to be perfectly frank: I ain’t drinking the kool aid!!! – for multiple reasons; especially those which incorporate the research and concomitant conclusions on Mr. Kennedy’s past and future associations; that have been made by one Alison McDowell (YT/’wrenchinthegears.com’/’discourse.wrenchinthegears.org’); more specifically {taken from said site (‘wrenchinthegears.com’)}:

  1. ‘Her (Celia Farber – RK Jr.’s, ‘fabulous researcher’) advice to the Kennedy campaign was to foreground his Catholic upbringing, which is important given the Vatican’s role in the coming era of social impact finance, especially since many of the donors to RFK Jr.’s long-time former employer, Natural Resources Defense Council, were involved in building out third sector stakeholder capitalism since the 1990s.’
  2. ‘When you watch the 11-minute video (blog post on Alison’s site, ‘wrenchinthegears.com’), you’ll see that I dig into the Fauci book (RK Jrs., ‘The Real Anthony Fauci’); and note Kennedy’s assertion in the title of Chapter One, “Mismanaging A Pandemic,” that there was indeed a pandemic, and that his white coats and the early treatment protocols endorsed by Children’s Health Defense’s stable of doctors would provide better care for the next pandemic. This framing opens to the door to a lot of questions. Do we believe what we experienced was a pandemic? Do we agree that big-pharma treatments, like Merck’s Ivermectin, are the right way to go for a virus based on a simulated model? Do we understand that these drugs are being set up for social impact finance deals by billionaires like Steve Kirsch?’
  3. ‘Early on, at timestamp 9 minutes, he admits that even though he’s considered the poster boy for the anti-vax movement, he’s not anti-vaccines. Maybe that doesn’t bother people.’
  4. ‘I have a large file to pull from having engaged privately with Mary Holland and Michael Kane on the issues of RFK Jr.’s history in cleantech venture capital investing from a few years ago. One of the most interesting links was the list of funders of the Natural Resources Defense Council where RFK Jr. worked as senior attorney for over twenty years. I presume he’d be aware of the source of his salary, which includes many philanthropies I’ve been tracking in the social impact space for years, including large ongoing contributions from the Rockefeller Foundation.’
  5. ‘I also find it interesting that you’re (i.e., Celia Farber) promoting the Catholic angle for political purposes, since the Vatican is a leader in the impact finance space. Tom Steyer was a major funder of NRDC and seems to follow in the same tracks as RFK Jr. Steyer was a participant in the Vatican’s social impact conferences starting in 2014. I’ll be sure to incorporate your (Celia Farber) advice to RFK Jr. That’s definitely an important angle to include.’
  6. ‘This link is to a screenshot of the table of contents of the book – Chapter 1 – Mismanaging a Pandemic. Can I assume you (Celia Farber) were a researcher for said book? RFK Jr. leads with this frame.1) There was indeed a pandemic.

2) It was mismanaged.
The chapter then goes on to detail at length the pharmaceutical treatments his cohort has endorsed from the beginning. Do you really mean that we are supposed to set aside the framing of his bestselling book and pretend that didn’t happen, or that it doesn’t matter? I’m not really sure what you mean by “can we agree on what makes a fact a fact?” It is a fact that this was the first chapter, and that it sets the tone for what comes next.
“Can we all agree that this is not RFK Jr.’s position, regardless of what the title of a book chapter was that he wrote three years ago?”
Do you not see how those two ideas are incongruent? What you are proposing sounds rather Orwellian.’

So, just to provide a quick summary of Alison’s take on RK Jr., we could invoke the following bullet points:

  1. Robert Kennedy Junior believes in the Covid-19 narrative, i.e., there was a lethal virus that was responsible for many deaths around the world.
  2. Robert Kennedy Junior believes in the lab leak theory of Covid-19; and, as a result, is interested in building countermeasures for any future scenarios akin to this one.
  3. Robert Kennedy Junior is pro-vaccination; and believes that, in the future, nano/bio technologies (aka, ‘vaccinations’) could be the answer for any pandemic scenarios.
  4. Robert Kennedy Junior was a part of an organization (i.e., Natural Resources Defense Council) that was the recipient of largesse by the Rockefeller Foundation.
  5. Robert Kennedy Junior is associated with a company (i.e., Vantage Point Capital) which is in a position to benefit handsomely – monetarily that is – from the Western Health/Medical System (one, by the by, that has been erected – and injected – into every artery and orifice of our social, cultural and political spheres of society over the past 100 or so years; with said reality compounded exponentially thanks to the response to Covid-19).
Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 7, 2023 6:44 PM

Would you mind providing individual links to these extracts on her site? Otherwise, sans context, it could seem a bit like cherry picking. Thanks. A2

rossgopicotrain
rossgopicotrain
May 7, 2023 10:37 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Alison McDowell and her research/findings vis-a-vis Robert Kennedy Jr. can be found at the sites, ‘wrenchinthegears.com’ & ‘discourse.wrenchinthegears.org.’ Cheers!

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 8, 2023 12:50 PM

Not what I asked for. It seems like you might have cherrypicked these quotes and bullet pointed them here. Can you please reference the original passages in context, thank you.

antitermite
antitermite
May 7, 2023 12:56 PM

I don’t think this quote exists online, so I’ll just have to type it out ~

..

I am so smart I know what is wrong with the world. Everybody asks during and after our wars, and the continuing terrorist attacks all over the globe, “What’s gone wrong?”.

What has gone wrong is that too many people, including high school kids and heads of state, are obeying the Code of Hammurabai, a King of Babylonia who lived nearly four thousand years ago.
And you can find his code echoed in the Old Testament, too.
Are you ready for this?

“An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.”

A categorical imperative for all who live in obedience to the Code of Hammurabai, which includes heroes of every cowboy show and gangster show you ever saw, is this:
Every injury, real or imagined, shall be avenged.
Somebody’s going to be really sorry.
(Horrible laugh.)
Bombs away – or whatever.

When Jesus Christ was nailed to the cross, he said, “Forgive them, Father, they know not what they do.”
What kind of man was that?
Any real man, obeying the Code of Hammurabai, would have said, “Kill them, Dad, and all their friends and relatives, and make their deaths slow and painful.”

His greatest legacy to us, in my humble opinion, consists of only twelve words.
They are the antidote to the poison of the Code of Hammurabai, a formula almost as compact as Albert Einstein’s “E=mc².”

Jesus of Nazareth told us to say these twelve words when we prayed: “Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.”

Bye-bye, Code of Hammurabai.

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Revenge provokes revenge which provokes revenge which provokes revenge – forming an unbroken chain of death and destruction linking nations of today to barbarous tribes thousands and thousands of years ago.

We may never dissuade leaders of our nation or any other nation from responding vengefully, violently, to every insult or injury.

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But in our personal lives, our inner selves, at least, we can learn to live without the sick excitement, without the kick of having scores to settle with this particular person, or that bunch of people, or that particular institution or race or nation.

And then we can reasonably ask forgiveness for our own trespasses, since we forgive those who trespass against us.
And we can teach our children and then our grandchildren to do the same – so that they, too, can never be a threat to anyone.

OK?

~ Kurt Vonnegut {If This Isn’t Nice, What Is? 3rd Ed}

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
May 7, 2023 4:01 PM
Reply to  antitermite

Have you ever seen a slapping competition? Have you ever been a little boy in the school yard the other guys were peeing on?

We are born with an instinct of self defense, and if we dont use this instinct we are dead. Seen clearly in MLK’s death, Kennedy’s death, m.m.
Because if we dont defend ourselves toward perverts in the right way, these perverts will continue and reach the point where they are today.

People who knows what is right and what justice is, have the right and duty to do what a man must do.

Beatriz
Beatriz
May 8, 2023 12:18 AM
Reply to  antitermite

The psy -op of making Justice synonymous with “revenge” and thus making Christ’s words on the cross and in the Lord’s Prayer appear as a condemnation of Justice itself has been tremendously effective…

…and in the benefit of the evildoers.

When Christ said what He said on the cross, He said it with specific reference to those who sent Him to crucify and to those who participated in His Crucifixion, for they did not and could not have any idea of His Mission and His Ultimate Reality (though they knew that He was an innocent man).

In fact, any person who acts wrongly / badly can be said to really “know not what he does”, because his wrongdoing / evildoing denotes a lack of CONSCIENCE, which is a type of knowledge superior to mere intellectual knowledge of right and wrong, because it involves a special kind of sensibility or empathy.

That’s why Agustine said “Love and make whatever you want”.

So, who is really conscious or aware, would do no wrong or evil.

But above I said “lack of conscience”, not of merely intellectual (and even instinctive) knowledge of right and wrong.

So a serial killer “does not know what he is doing” in the sense that he has no conscience, but he does know intellectually that he inflicts harm and pain.

But Vunnegut’s quote makes no such distinction. Thus, according to him, to give the criminal his due would be, not just retribution for his actions, but simply an act of “abominable revenge”….

Please: ENOUGH with this psy- op of demonising JUSTICE in the name of FORGIVENESS, an attitude that only benefits the evildoers.

For there to be genuine forgiveness there must first be genuine REPENTANCE. As long as there is no such repentance, the wrongdoer cannot and does not deserve forgiveness…

…because than he will interpret “forgiveness” just as a permission to keep going on with his wrongdoing, as all-time experience teach us.

And, as a Christian, I ask: is this good (or “nice”) to the health of his soul?

antitermite
antitermite
May 8, 2023 1:01 AM
Reply to  Beatriz

Yes I get you on this.
For the revenge cycle to be broken, it must come from the top down.
Vonnegut is speaking from an American perspective, ie a position of strength.

Let’s take just one single example of american atrocities, since there are too many to name, let’s pick Vietnam, though could equally apply to so many other genocidal actions.
It is meaningless to talk of Vietnamese forgiveness, because whether the Vietnamese people or government forgive or swear eternal vengeance on the USA, makes no difference.
What, they are going to exterminate 2-3 million Americans? or do it as a percentage, say demolish 90+% of infrastructure? And make sure that the survivors have to deal with birth defects for generations..
There is simply no way that biblical justice can be served with regard to Vietnam, alone.

The speech quoted is post 9/11, and probably refers to the path chosen by the US establishment, without specifically mentioning it.
Of course we all know now that 9/11 was scripted, but it could not have come to pass without the Hollywood diet of revenge porn fed over so many decades.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
May 8, 2023 12:43 AM
Reply to  antitermite

Forgiveness is all good and well. However, forgiveness without repentance? Never!

I’m thinking here of the current and eons-long war against humanity – the actions according to the Code of Hammurabai being part of it – the Convid and the allegiance of Big Finance/the banksters and the pharmaceutical and warfare industries all in cahoots with governments and their alphabets against us lot being permitted to live in heaven on earth.

Those I cannot forgive, since they do not repent; they’re upping the ante ATM.