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They’re Coming To Take You Away

Michael Lesher

Suppose I tell you in advance that the essay you are reading is meant to startle you. And suppose I suggest, by way of demonstration, that two people as loosely connected as the leader of the “COVID Crisis Group” and Joe Biden’s “Special Envoy To Monitor and Combat Antisemitism” – both of whom have recently offered recommendations for improving political life in the United States – are in fact determined to unravel American freedoms.

Would you be surprised?

Well, if so, that is exactly the startling fact I am trying to bring to your attention. True, you may not have heard that the 34 COVID-19 “experts” headed by one Philip Zelikow (last seen justifying the concealment of information about the 9/11 attacks) and anti-Semitism “ambassador” Deborah Lipstadt – perhaps best known for slandering scads of Jewish survivors of the Nazis as “soft-core” Holocaust deniers because they objected to the massacre of 1,462 of Gaza’s civilians nine years ago – are both out to dismantle the Bill of Rights. But if you haven’t, it isn’t because they’ve been coy about their objectives.

Take the Zelikow panel. Its new book on “the lessons learned from COVID-19” openly conflates the federal government’s management of a respiratory virus with “wartime” – thus rationalizing the executive branch’s preemption of democratic government. Not only that, Zelikow and his band of “experts” explicitly call for the consolidation of power in the hands of an unelected “health security enterprise” that would control, among other things, a “systematic biomedical surveillance network.” And in case you can’t guess who is likely to benefit from the snooping, the panel goes on to praise the coercive experimental drug program that gave us the COVID-19 “vaccines” – “a bargain at $30 billion,” according to the editors of the Washington Post – signaling at one stroke the experts’ contempt for the Nuremberg Code and their subservience to Big Pharma.

As for Lipstadt, she has launched her attack on the First Amendment by redefining “anti-Semitism” so as to include an extraordinary range of political speech. Her first step in that transformation is the familiar trick of confusing criticism of the Israeli government with anti-Jewish bigotry. But her second step is newer and, arguably, even more disturbing: she tars all denigration of Jews with the hot-button label “conspiracy theory.”

Let’s be clear: however noble the pretext of opposing Jew-hatred, it should be obvious that once you characterize anti-Semitism as a “conspiracy theory” you have made a case for censorship. As Lipstadt herself explained to Jane Eisner of Columbia University’s Graduate School of Journalism (in an interview printed in the latest AARP Magazine but not available online): “[I]t’s a conspiracy theory that Jews control the media, the banks, the election process, etc. If you believe that there is a group controlling these things, then essentially you’re saying that you don’t believe in democracy.

And there’s the trouble. After all, an overt attack on democracy isn’t a viewpoint; it isn’t even an expression of run-of-the-mill bigotry. It’s a threat to the state. And it follows, if you accept Lipstadt’s formulation, that anyone the government can label an “anti-Semite” may now be punished in the same way the Biden administration is already punishing people who protested the presidential election results of November 2020. Note, too, the selective parameters of the offense: blaming Donald Trump’s election on the Russians is presumably “legitimate” speech; but accusing a “group” of controlling “the election process” can land you in jail – that is, when the “group” is not an official enemy but a favored minority, and when that “process” has reached results endorsed by those in power.

So the Zelikow panel and Ambassador Lipstadt can’t be accused of hiding their illiberal goals. Like the Democratic lynch mob that denounced Matt Taibbi and Michael Shellenberger on the floor of Congress last March for revealing the extent of government censorship of Twitter, these propagandists quite openly assert that surveillance is good for us, while free speech is entirely too dangerous to be entrusted to mere citizens.

“Ordinary folks and national security agencies responsible for our security,” Congressman Colin Allred lectured Taibbi, “are trying their best to find a way to make sure that our online discourse doesn’t get people hurt, or see our democracy undermined.” It’s pretty breathtaking to watch an African-American liberal solemnly declare that the CIA and the FBI are the true guardians of democracy – not to mention his defense of the security state’s behind-the-scenes censorship of political speech. But what’s even more ominous is that not a single prominent Democratic politician nor a single pundit in mainstream liberal media has repudiated anything the congressman said.

Is it any wonder, then, that no one in mainstream media has mentioned the totalitarian tendencies implicit in the COVID Crisis Group’s recommendations for “pandemic” regulation via dismantling democracy, or in Ambassador Lipstadt’s appeals to the public to “discredit” anti-Semitism by recasting it as a criminal conspiracy?

Of course it isn’t. And that is my point. That is my motive in writing in tandem about these two apparently disparate subjects, connected only by the facts that both of them involve recent public declarations and that both of them represent attacks on fundamental liberties.

Because the truth is that condemning freedom is now so entirely respectable that it’s happening practically everywhere – under every possible pretext, almost any day, from just about any left-liberal institution that claims to care about the public good. Close your eyes, and you can hardly tell whether what you’re hearing is coming from a Democratic Party stalwart or from an old-line Soviet apologist explaining why Andrei Sakharov or Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn or Yuri Orlov is really, notwithstanding the accuracy of what he’s been saying, a threat to the state who deserves to be muzzled or jailed.

And the media’s silence about it all is as ominous as the Orwellian nattering of the freedom-haters themselves.

Take another look at the Zelikow panel’s assessment of the US government’s performance during the “COVID crisis.” Writing about what the “experts” praise or blame in their report, the Washington Post never once mentions the crippling of the US working-class economy due to arbitrary confinements and business shutdowns, the educational damage done to a whole generation of children through needless school closures, the reckless suspension of representative democracy in four-fifths of our states, the medically unjustifiable trauma caused by “mask mandates,” or the undermining of the national healthcare system through an obsessive focus on one respiratory virus while more serious issues were sidelined for over a year. As far as the Post is concerned, the real outrages of the COVID coup never happened at all.

Even when the experts and the editors do manage to notice something sinister, they go out of their way to miss the point. The Zelikow panel specifically notes the “four pandemic planning exercises” staged by the US government barely a year before the announcement of the COVID-19 outbreak. And it offers a few technical criticisms of the proceedings.

But neither the panel nor the Post editors’ congratulatory summary of its conclusions addresses the fact that the exercises – which omitted any suggestion for using repurposed drugs as early treatment for a novel virus, as in all previous influenza-like outbreaks – made a point of discussing the importance of thought-policing social media. That prescription for censorship became a grim reality after March 2020. But you’d never know it from reading the Zelikow panel’s assessment of the government’s mistakes in addressing the “pandemic.”

And Lipstadt? She claims to be a passionate defender of free speech. But that didn’t stop her from smearing Senator Ron Johnson as a “white nationalist sympathizer” because of his politically incorrect comments about Black Lives Matter. And when that issue made it to the op-ed page of the New York Times, it was only to further demonize Johnson; Lipstadt’s slander got a pass.

Why do I worry so much about this? Well, first of all because an attack on freedom is an attack on all of us.

But I think there is a special reason for alarm. It’s not just that our ruling elites believe that we, the people, need to be stripped of our right to free expression. I’m afraid that the freedom-haters clustered around our figurehead President are not even aware just how thin the ice is onto which they’re propelling us. Their position (taking the most charitable possible view of it) runs something like this: if the public isn’t exposed to views of which the censors disapprove, hoi polloi will meekly accept whatever policies are imposed on them (for their own good, of course).

But the censors are wrong. The fabric of American political life has been strained to such tautness that a single acute crisis might rupture it altogether. And if that happens, people who have been deprived of reasonable dissent will not shrink from violent opposition; on the contrary, they will embrace it. When the monolithic narrative that is all they have been taught lies in ruins, they will replace it not with a rational, informed alternative – for they will know of none – but with whatever satisfies the rage of a population that realizes, too late, that it has been hoodwinked.

Woe to the freedom-haters when the lion they think they have tamed turns its fury on the liberal society that soothsayers like Zelikow and Lipstadt still imagine they are defending!

Originally published by the Brownstone Institute
Michael Lesher is an author, poet and lawyer whose legal work is mostly dedicated to issues connected with domestic abuse and child sexual abuse. His latest nonfiction book is Sexual Abuse, Shonda and Concealment in Orthodox Jewish Communities (McFarland & Co., 2014); his first collection of poetry, Surfaces, was published by The High Window in 2019. A memoir of his discovery of Orthodox Judaism as an adult – Turning Back: The Personal Journey of a “Born-Again” Jew – was published in September 2020 by Lincoln Square Books.

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Chau
Chau
May 12, 2023 10:56 PM

I totally support you Michael
And I do support too the mass, the People’s reaction as late or not too to the outdated and tyrannical paternalism coming from those who think their piles of money equals their fetid ‘intelligence’, cause money and power do not buy intelligence as we noted from mid plandemic on…
What happen is that they are full of fear, it transpires in their skin and in their presumptuous speeches and articles, they fear us all and their guts tell them we are massively larger and stronger so they rule this and that but no we not gonna be a GMO like their tainted GMO food and we definitely not gonna be AI controlled souless automats.
And we are still free to dislike any flavour or colour or social taste we do not like due their origin or attitude.

Nick Baam
Nick Baam
May 12, 2023 6:19 PM

How many holocaust museums are there in the United States? Dozens? Scores? Maine has a holocaust center. (Yes!)

You wanna see the Mona Lisa, you gotta go the Louvre. You wanna see Madame X, you gotta go to the Met. You wanna see The Daughters of Edward Darley Boit, you gotta go to the Museum of Fine Arts, Boston.

But how do any of these holocaust museums differ from any other?

You wanna see Jewish victimhood?

They’ll bring it to you.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 12, 2023 7:27 PM
Reply to  Nick Baam

At the time, in 2020, it didn’t take much to imagine the barbwired Covid quarantine facilities growing in size and being used to contain dissidents in the general population, not just travellers. Bespoke Covid concentration camps were either threatened, planned or actually under construction in various places around the world.

The plight of Jews under fascism, seeded in the minds of the masses, almost certainly prevented that situation from running out of control, and might have saved many lives.

Innocent men, women and children were dehumanised, brutalised and reduced to industrial byproducts just 80 years ago, based on subtle differences in ethnic makeup, far subtler distinctions in practical terms than being vaccinated or not.

How much worse could Covid have got, do you think, as living memory of WW2 faded and fascism came back into vogue, without this imagery to help slow the spread of fanaticism?

This Imagery protected us all very well, I think.

Nick Baam
Nick Baam
May 13, 2023 3:03 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Oh, so there’s an off-label use??

Get serious.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 14, 2023 1:39 PM
Reply to  Nick Baam

I’m saying the world is complicated, as if you didn’t know. I’m saying there’s a perfectly legit motivation for promoting cautionary tales about fascism, just as there are corrupt reasons for doing so.

I’ve provided a good argument. I will go further and say evidence could be collated into a study on how effective WW2 imagery was at countering Covid fanaticism. Personally, I think it saved all our hides.

The fact we learn about Nazi antisemitism in schools made this imagery far more powerful than any propaganda imagery thrown at us in 2020 (a tactic borrowed by the GR by forcing kids mask up in school, a tactic which failed).

You can be hateful and suspicious all you like, but I’m reminding you there are two sides to everything. You can choose to discount this, but if so I accuse you of confirmation bias and naivety. A2

Vagabard
Vagabard
May 11, 2023 10:16 PM

Regarding “they’re Coming To Take You Away“, the Grim Reaper’s appearance at the Coronation has been explained. It wasn’t the ghost of Princesses Diana past, nor Meghan in disguise, but “simply a verger”. Carrying a spooky scythe, for good measure.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-12071547/Mystery-Coronation-Grim-Reaper-solved-Twitter-goes-wild-spooky-silhouette.html

Dr. Rock
Dr. Rock
May 11, 2023 7:12 PM

Yep, 100% correct! There is a rage boiling in America, and one could splash could turn it into a grease fire that consumes everything.

GR-Watch
GR-Watch
May 12, 2023 7:32 AM
Reply to  Dr. Rock

who can clean up the mess (presuming it is cleanable)?

if the software stopped working, can 350 million people be added quickly to a database of 1.4 billion chinese?

William Sabre
William Sabre
May 11, 2023 2:48 PM

‘Coming to take you away’

Where to, this place once called England is, for the most part, a social nut-house where the fractured patrons are so demoralized, that those who can recognise the tyranny of usuary-mortgage-enslavement cells and materialistic-corporatised-superficial-anti-cultural-customs analgeasic anxiolytic medication and consensus-media electric shock treatment, are unable to establish a significant defence.

We’ve already been taken away from the familial safety of community, living in Christian brotherhood, with natural rythyms and cycles, our rich historical ethnic ancestry and our core connection to our divine social and cultural mores.

This is the true meaning of Demoralization and the entire infrastructure of the United Kingdom, it’s civil service, institutions and media have worked around the clock to achieve this wandering mental patient who knows not Where or What they are and neither cares to ask Why? This is not how human life should be.

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
May 11, 2023 2:42 PM

I hope that at least some readers will read this post in full!!

A week or so ago, I mentioned here on OffG that, due to a two-man ambulance crew visiting my home on 26 April, due to a physical health issue; the 111 service here in the UK had urged me to phone for an ambulance (I have what may well be a serious physical health problem; I’m currently awaiting an appt. from the hospital for an ultrasound scan), after doing the usual BP/ECG etc tests, the senior of the two ambulance blokes had started looking at the many hundreds of books in the 4 large bookcases here in my lounge, and asked if he might take a look at one of them (one of the esteemed Dr Vernon Coleman’s books on the scam/hoax/fraud of the last 3+ years, “‘Covid-19’: the greatest hoax in history”); he, the Irishman, took a look through it, and asked me “WHY would this author write such things…?”. Well, as I said in my post re. this almost two weeks ago, I very briefly summed up the facts, including the fact of all the HONEST whistleblowers, including honest doctors, nurses, psychologists, psychiatrists, lawyers, funeral directors, embalmers, and even the few (rare…!) honest politicians… After hearing me say the above, the ambulance-man went into my hall and, on his own phone, contacted the local ‘psychiatry’ people, and claimed that I was ‘delusional’.

Since then, I’ve had ‘visits’ every two or three days by two people (in most cases, different people each time) from the local ‘psychiatry’ team. I’ve spelt out to them that I have a physical health problem, and not a ‘mental health’ one, and that I want them to leave me alone, to stop harassing me.

To cut a long story short, on 9th May, I phoned the Unit, and told them that they’re harassing me, and to leave me alone. I also told them that I’m in touch with a solicitor, re. this (which I am). They said that they’re “concerned” about me (all because the ambulance-man, on 26 April, thought that the content of that particular book by Dr Vernon Coleman was ‘delusional’ stuff, and that, because I told him that the contents are NOT ‘delusional’, but the truth, he, the ambulance-man, came to the very erroneous conclusion that I ‘must’ be ‘delusional’).
They told me, yesterday, that they have arranged for someone (someone in their ‘psychiatry’ Unit…) to visit me on Monday 15 May. To see whether they can ‘discharge’ me (according to them, the fact that the ambulance-man contacted them, ‘about’ me, on 26 April, constitutes a ‘referral’ to them… how can these ‘psychiatry’ people sleep at night…??).

A few days ago, someone suggested that, if it becomes necessary, I obtain someone to act as an ‘advocate’ for me: ie, someone who has some standing in the community, someone who knows that what’s been taking place on Earth since early 2020 is indeed a global scam/hoax/fraud: a veritable Crime against Humanity. Ie, to confirm that what I summarised to the ambulance-man is most definitely not ‘delusion’.
And so, this morning, I sent an explanatory email to the UK funeral director whistleblower, Mr John O’Looney, to ask, IF it became necessary on 15th May, whether he would be able and willing to act as an advocate for me: ie, to speak to the ‘psychiatry’ people for just a few minutes, to tell them that what is actually going on, worldwide, is so very, very different to what’s being spewed out by the corrupt governments and the corrupt MSM, worldwide.
Within 20 minutes of my having sent the email, I received back from him a lovely personal reply, saying that he’d be more than willing to help me in any way that he can, if it becomes necessary.
I mentioned, in my email to him, stuff that he will, no doubt, be already aware of: including that, in the early part of this global coup d’etat, a Swiss [or French] doctor was held in some ‘psychiatric’ Unit for whatever period of time, for trying to expose the scam/hoax; that the British surgeon, Dr Mohammed Adil, was struck off the Medical Register, very early on, for trying to expose the hoax; that the American doctor, Dr Simone Gold, was put in prison for several months, last year, for exposing the scam/dangers of the injections, etc. And that there will, no doubt, be many more very similar examples of those just mentioned.
It’s stating the obvious to say that I do not want it to be that that (b——) ambulance-man’s ignorance will cause me to be yet another who is subjected to the same horrors as those examples mentioned above…

To say that I’m ‘stressed’ re. what may transpire on Monday 15 May is the ultimate understatement. I’ve prepared a selection of documents from the many honest doctors, nurses, psychologists, psychiatrists, lawyers, funeral directors, embalmers, and the [rare] honest politicians, to back up what I told the ambulance-man on 26 April.
But when I tried to give such documents to the ‘psychiatry’ people who’ve been ‘visiting’ me over the last couple of weeks, they all refused to accept them. That’s how the medical fraud of ‘psychiatry’ works, of course… (and my eldest niece and her Albanian husband are themselves in the ‘psychiatry’ fraternity. They of course know full well exactly what I think of them…).

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 11, 2023 4:01 PM

This sounds awfully stressful, Christine, I feel so sorry for you.

May I respectfully make a suggestion? I suspect this meeting is more interested in making sure you’re ‘functionally sane’, ie. that you’re not a danger to yourself or others. I strongly urge you NOT to view this as defending your views about covid. Or defending your views about anything. Although it might feel like it, this is NOT an inquisition. You are NOT on trial.

That stupid ambulance driver has got you stuck in the system, but going on the offensive and fighting back [edit: or becoming super defensive] is not the way. It’ll just make it easy for them to characterise you.

Let’s think of ways to get you unstuck from the system, nice and cleanly and quickly.

As long as you know your name, where you are and can make rational statements I’m sure this consultation on 15 May will go very smoothly. Just make sure you’re friendly, easygoing and as relaxed as possible.

If they ask you anything about covid or other “conspiracy theories” then simply say your hobby is conspiracies and leave it there. Don’t over complicate it.

If they press you further then turn it into a joke, and say ‘I don’t feel comfortable discussing that kind of hobby in a mental health evaluation, in case you think I’m a complete nutter!’ and ask to talk about another of your hobbies.

Change the subject to crime novels or crochet or classic cars or golf or whatever. Bore them silly with your special interest, just make sure you’re calm, collected, rational and friendly. I really think you’ll have no problems at all.

It sounds so upsetting and I sympathise with you deeply. Let’s just make sure you’ve got the best advice you can get.

Anyone else, please feel free to chime in, A2

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 11, 2023 4:19 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Also, read up all you can about it. Are you in the UK? I found this NHS page which gives some suggestions to people having a mental health assessment. A great insight to use to your advantage to represent yourself in a way the system sees as ‘normal’ lol

The link lists likely topics you’ll be asked to discuss. It gives some tips like making notes about what you’d like to discuss beforehand, inviting a friend or relative to be with you, and above all NOT to view the assessment as a test or an exam.

I think this ties in with what I suggested above.

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
May 11, 2023 4:55 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Thank you so much, Sam [Admin2], for your supportive reply! It is most definitely ‘awfully stressful’ and also ‘so upsetting’ (to quote some of your post!). I appreciate your sympathetic words. I’m 64, and due to the fact that I currently have a genuine physical health problem, I really did not need this immensely distressing extra concern to have to deal with, due to the uninformed ambulance bloke’s actions, a couple of weeks ago.

Firstly, yes, I’m here in the UK. Thank you very much for the link to the NHS page. I’ve taken a print of it.

Yes, precisely: that ‘stupid ambulance driver’ (though I might perhaps use a slightly stronger word than ‘stupid’!) has got me into this ‘mess’. There’s not a day gone by (since 26 April, when this all ‘kicked off’) when I’ve not been ‘cursing’ the ambulance bloke (an Irishman; don’t get me wrong, I have nothing whatsoever against Irish people!, I love their accents, and I have Irish ancestry on our dad’s side!) for his immensely ignorant, uninformed, bigotted attitude.

I have many other interests, for eg, I’m passionate about history (many different eras, esp. Ancient Greece & Ancient Rome, medieval times, etc). I’d even mentioned that to the two ambulance blokes when they were here on 26 April. It was they who said “Do you mind if we take a look at some of the books in your bookcases?”. The many books on history were very prominent. But the Irish bloke chose to latch onto the book by Dr Vernon Coleman (“‘Covid-19’: the greatest hoax in history”.)…

I very much hope that the ‘visit’ to my home this coming Monday, 15 May, by one or more ‘psychiatry’ people, will have a satisfactory conclusion, from my perspective.

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
May 11, 2023 5:39 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

A short P.S. to my reply to you of approx. 45 mins ago. Re. your point re. “So long as you know your name, where you are, and can make rational statements…”, etc.

On 26 April, when the two ambulance blokes came to my home, the senior of the two, the Irishman, actually asked me “Who is on the throne: a king or a queen?” and followed that with “Where are you, right now?”.

Well!! To the first of those two questions, I answered “A ‘king’, of course”. And I added “I’ve been a passionate ANTI-‘royalist’ for 35+ years. The ‘monarchies’ of the world should have been abolished long ago… and none more so than the Windsors…”. To which he, the Irishman, chuckled, and said, “Yes, I’m an anti-‘royalist’ too; I agree with you”. And my answer to his second ‘question’ was, “Well, I’m here in my own home, of course…!”.

And yet he still chose to ‘report’ me to the local ‘psychiatry’ people…

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 11, 2023 6:30 PM

Play it very safe and get out of the system asap. X

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
May 11, 2023 6:49 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Thanks, Sam. I sincerely hope that I’ll be able to do that…

RegretLeft
RegretLeft
May 11, 2023 10:55 PM

Good luck! – Try to smile: did you know that in about 1943 the Gestapo barged into (the Jew) Victor Klemperer’s apartment in Dresden – searched his books – and were furious to find Hitler’s Mein Kampf; and proceeded to whack him on the head with it. At which point, his non Jewish wife (the saintly Eva) said “It’s mine! I’m interested in learning about your approach”. How lucky we are that so many Gestapo-like responsiblities have been subcontracted to “health care providers”!

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
May 12, 2023 6:20 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Hi, Sam – Admin2.

Just thought I’d update you, re. the plight I’ve been in, ever since 26 April when the ambulance bloke went way beyond his remit and chose to make a wholly incorrect judgement re. my ‘mental health’ simply because he saw one of Dr Coleman’s books in my bookcases.

You’ll recall that I was anxiously awaiting a ‘visit’ from one or more of the ‘psychiatry’ people on Monday 15h May. Well, what is now about 45 minutes ago, my intercom buzzed, and a bloke introduced himself as being from that local ‘psychiatry’ team, and could he and his colleague please speak to me.

So I let them in.

And it seems like it may well be I’m past the worst of this… (I’m hoping so, anyway).

The two blokes actually listened to me, and my grievances re. their ‘psychiatric’ Unit, how I’d been so wrongly treated, all due to the despicable actions of the ambulance bloke. From their obviously respectful attitude, the things they said, the way they reacted to what I said, it looks like they realised that I’m ‘mentally’ FINE!!
They said that they’d be cancelling the appointment for Monday 15 May, and that someone would be coming to see me on Tuesday 16th, to end this ‘interaction’ between themselves and me (or should that, grammatically, be ‘between themselves and I‘?!?).

I’m therefore hoping that Tuesday will bring an end to this nightmare I’ve been in, for the last few weeks.

Once again, thank you so much for your supportive words, re. my plight. I much appreciate them, and also appreciate the support from other readers of this site, too.

Best wishes,

Christine.

Howard
Howard
May 11, 2023 4:21 PM

I would only add to what Admin Sam has said that if the subject of conspiracies – especially as presented by Dr. Coleman – comes up, you wax intellectual so as to make it clear that your primary interest is in comparing various points of view. After all, that is what your primary interest should be.

I read your original post; and I still don’t understand 1) how and why the ambulance driver perused your library; and 2) why, with a physical issue, you took the time to get into a discussion of Dr. Coleman’s views.

Having a heart condition, I’ve (fortunately erroneously) summoned an ambulance (especially the first few months after I had a quadruple heart bypass). I can assure you neither the drivers nor I would have dreamed of taking time for a conversation about current events). The overriding concern was with getting me to the ER. (Maybe Britain is different?)

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
May 11, 2023 5:01 PM
Reply to  Howard

Hi, Howard, thanks for your comment from across the ‘Pond’.

As I’ve just said in my reply to Sam – Admin2, it was the ambulance blokes who initiated the ‘conversation’ re. the ‘covid’ subject, not me. They saw the 4 large bookcases in my lounge, and latched onto the cited one by Dr Vernon Coleman.
The Irish ambulance driver (the senior of the two-man crew) asked “May I take a look at this book?”, and it went from there. He glanced through it and, as I said in my post a few hours ago, said “WHY would this author write this stuff?”.

So, the Irishman was a bigot… uninformed, and caring nothing for the actual facts.

I’ve contacted the relevant Ambulance Service for the area in which I live (Lincolnshire, here in the UK), and a woman initially phoned me, informing me that members of the public are not able to contact individual ambulance crew-members. Thus I’m not able to contact the Irish bloke and question him as to why he did what he did to me, on 26 April.
I then sent a more detailed email to the Ambulance Service woman; all I received in response was a two-line ‘automated reply’…

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 11, 2023 5:34 PM

I’d drop pursuing anyone until you’re all clear of this. Very important.

Chat charmingly about classical history etc., be as delightful as you are here, put the Coleman book and anything else that looks ‘nutty’ in the spare room (why push your luck lol), don’t discuss anything divisive, and you’ll be fine I’m sure of it.

Get someone to be present if you possibly can, someone you trust, as a witness and as support.

Howard
Howard
May 11, 2023 10:03 PM

Christine, let me clarify something I said in my previous reply. When I suggested you should “wax intellectual,” I was basing that on your many posts here in this forum.

You clearly have a wide range of interests (reincarnation, Shakespeare authorship, etc.); so it’s perfectly reasonable that you might also have an interest in things that are considered “conspiracy theories” by the establishment.

The single most important consideration is not giving the enemy any ammunition to use against you. If that means having to sugar-coat some of your beliefs – even strongly held beliefs – then so be it.

They are not intellectual adversaries the way, e.g., others within this forum who disagree with you are. They are enemies intent upon inflicting as much damage as possible.

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
May 11, 2023 11:06 PM
Reply to  Howard

Yes. what you say is so right, so spot-on, Howard. The person/people who will be visiting me on Monday are not merely intellectual adversaries; as you correctly say, they will be ‘enemies intent upon inflicting as much damage as possible’.

I thus realise that on Monday 15th I’m going to have to keep my wits about me, re. what I say/don’t say. I totally understand your words re. not giving the enemy any ammunition to use against me… and if that means having to sugar-coat some of my ‘beliefs’ [actually knowledge, not merely ‘beliefs’. but my current [enviable] situation/plight is not the place to ‘argue the toss’. if that’s the expression I’m thinking of, in this context]… then so be it‘. However, for me, the sort of person I am would make it extremely difficult for me to ‘sugar-coat’ my factual knowledge… (of many ‘controversial’ subjects…!
So what may transpire is anyone’s guess…

What a sick world we live in… where truths are called lies, and lies are said to be truths. As the saying goes, ‘You couldn’t make it up’.

Thank you for your further response!

Howard
Howard
May 12, 2023 3:40 AM

Ironically, I would be more cavalier about this if you lived here in America. Yes, I know so many see America as a totalitarian state. But I simply cannot imagine ending up in your situation here just because of a disagreement with an ambulance driver.

I won’t attempt to judge Great Britain. But I’ve read some pretty chilling things going on there. I sincerely hope they’re exaggerations. But I fear they’re not.

So, as others have advised: please tred lightly and carefully. And best wishes.

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
May 12, 2023 9:50 AM
Reply to  Howard

Thank you so much, Howard, for your good wishes. I totally agree with what you said: how on Earth could I have ended up in this worrying situation merely because an ambulance driver chose to take a peek at the books in my bookcases…

I’m immensely stressed, right now, re. Monday 15th. Which is wholly understandable. I’m so fuming with rage, at that ambulance driver. As I mentioned in one of my posts yesterday, every day I’m ‘cursing’ him in my mind, wishing that he’d kept his mouth shut.
As of now, he obviously (presumably…) has no idea of the situation I’m in, due to his action. Who do these people think they are, huh…

And the fact that I have an immensely concerning physical health condition (am waiting for a hospital appointment for an ultrasound scan) makes what he did to me even more heinous.

Howard
Howard
May 12, 2023 4:56 PM

I’ll say one more thing, Christine, and that’ll be it.

I can’t speak for the big cities in America, but here in the suburbs all our fire departments are volunteer. The ambulance drivers and paramedics are all volunteers – not paid state employees.

These are people who give up a portion of their leisure time to care for others (and perhaps gain additional experience). As such, they have no time to snoop or to report their findings to some bureaucracy.

There is no substitute for volunteer workers when it comes to dedication to the patient rather than the “system.”

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
May 12, 2023 6:06 PM
Reply to  Howard

Wow, Howard, I really didn’t know that. It thus of course demonstrates that (as you point out) your ambulance drivers, fire-fighters, etc, are doing their work because they truly care about people, and (as you say) not to ‘serve the [corrupt] system’.

The ambulance driver who did this heinous thing to me on 26 April was acting totally beyond/outside his remit… it’s NOT part of an ambulance crew-member’s job to take a look at the books in the bookcase[s] of people whom they visit in the latter’s homes, to assist with their physical health problems, and then to have the nerve to decide to make an (erroneous) judgement about that person’s ‘mental health’.

P.S. In the last 30 minutes, I’ve had what seems to be good news for me, re. the plight I’ve been in, since the ambulance driver despicably put me into this mess.

I’d told people on this site yesterday that on the 10th (May) I’d been told that someone from the local ‘psychiatric’ Unit would be coming to ‘visit’ me. I was, obviously, immensely distressed re. that.

About 35 minutes ago, my intercom buzzed; it was two blokes (a word which many British people use for the word ‘man’! I don’t use the word ‘guy’) from that ‘psychiatric’ Unit. They asked if they could speak with me. I let them in. They actually listened to me; to my grievances, re.how I’d been treated by the ‘psychiatric’ fraternity, in the last few weeks, all due to the vile actions of the ambulance driver.
The two blokes listened to what I said, and it was more than obvious to me that they realised that I was ‘mentally’ fine.
They told me that they will be cancelling the appointment on 15 May, and that someone will come to see me on Tuesday, to (as they stated…) end this interaction between themselves and myself.

I just hope that Tuesday 16 May (that will be the 41st anniversary of our dad’s passing back to the Spirit dimension…) WILL bring an end to this horrendous last few weeks, created by the ambulance-man.

Lulu
Lulu
May 13, 2023 4:22 AM

Oh Christine, what a dreadful turn of events that horrid ambulanceman has set in motion… How I empathise with you!

I’m pleased that you wrote that ‘off topic’ comment on another article, to direct interested parties to your original comment. It brought me here to be able to follow the developing story, and doing so, I shared your relief at hearing that closure should be brought on May 16th.

Until then, I shall hold you in mind and send good vibes, and think those commenters following your story will really appreciate hearing of a positive outcome. Please do find a way of letting us all know!

I echo the wise and kindly advice/suggestion offered to you by Sam (Admin 2) and Howard – focus only on getting these people off your back, as opposed to enlightening them with the truth.

Regarding the nasty ambulanceman… he rightfully should be admonished and penalised, and who knows – you may well have initiated his awakening 😁. A heartfelt apology might be forthcoming!

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
May 13, 2023 10:10 AM
Reply to  Lulu

Thank you so very much, Lulu, for your very sympathetic, supportive words. I much appreciate them, believe you me!

Yes, that ambulanceman was indeed ‘horrid’… though, as I commented in one of my replies to Sam – Admin2, I’d use a slightly stronger word, myself, to describe him…! And all the way through his vile actions towards me, he was patronising by calling me, multiple times, “….Christine sweetie…”. For example, when, at one point, I asked him why he’d done what he’d done to me (ie, ‘reported’ me to the local ‘psychiatry’ people, he had the nerve to sit in one of my armchairs, ‘looking like butter wouldn’t melt’, and said “I don’t know, Christine sweetie”. Arggh…!

The ambulance-man should indeed be admonished and penalised. The day after he did what he did, I contacted the local Ambulance Service here in the UK (am not sure whether you may be in the States), and left a voice-message. A woman phoned me back, the next day, and said she’d ‘try’ (?) to track down the relevant ambulance crew. Well, that wouldn’t have been a difficult task for her, for I’d told her at what time they’d arrived at my home, on what date, and what their first names were… also that the senior of the two, the one who did this vile thing to me, was Irish!

A day or two later, I sent her a two-page email, summing up my grievances against that ambulance driver. And yet all I received back from her was a two-line ‘automated reply’. No actual personal reply.
Which seems to indicate that she (on behalf of the local Ambulance Service) is not doing her job… is ‘covering up for’ the ambulanceman’s dreadful behaviour towards me.

Oh how I wish that that ambulance-man would apologise to me…! In all probability, he has no idea what he actually set in motion.

Once again, many thanks for your supportive, empathetic words!

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
May 13, 2023 10:15 AM
Reply to  Lulu

Hi, Lulu, a short P.S. to my reply to you of a few minutes ago!

I’d love to think that I might possibly have initiated the awakening of that Irish ambulance-driver!!

And I most definitely deserve a heartfelt apology from him.
The one thing which the Ambulance Service lady told me was that it’s not possible for members of the public to communicate directly with individual ambulance-crew (once the latter have left a person’s home). That it’s ‘not allowed’. All part of ‘the System’, huh…

Tilly Petersen
Tilly Petersen
May 12, 2023 9:50 AM
Reply to  Howard

For all America’s sins, it still has the remnants of what was a great Constitution that does still serve to protects its citizens to a degree – much to the chagrin of the globalists and other predators

dom irritant
dom irritant
May 12, 2023 1:54 PM

i do not know if it would be any help but i would be inclined to have something much more important to do on any days these champions of lies wish to visit you. and to use an answer machine to vet your calls, ignoring any unsolicited messages left. waste their time like they are trying to waste yours
they do not have anything otherwise they would not be fishing

George Mc
George Mc
May 11, 2023 4:23 PM

That ambulance man sounds downright sinister to me – a kind of automatic clone creature programmed only to react in the way he did and utterly incapable of any other course. He and his psychiatric goon squad cohorts may as well not be human at all but cogs in the infernal machine.

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
May 11, 2023 5:04 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Hello George Mc, thanks for your reply.

Yes, you’re so right: the ambulance bloke did come across as rather ‘sinister’. I asked him (obviously before they left my home), “Why have you done this to me?”, and he replied with the very patronising “I don’t know, Christine sweetie…”.
Well of course he knew ‘why’ he’d done what he did (contacted the local ‘psychiatry’ people ‘about’ me). He just didn’t want to verbalise it to me, the coward.

Violet
Violet
May 11, 2023 6:33 PM
Reply to  George Mc

That’s because he’s an agent of the state.

mgeo
mgeo
May 12, 2023 7:31 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Agree. The questions he asked, and the interest in the specific book, do not seem coincidental. On the positive side, one could if challenged raise the subject of anti-royalists among “health” staff as an example of alternative views – perhaps not in this case.

Vagabard
Vagabard
May 11, 2023 10:50 PM

Good luck with that (good advice from the other posters).

A few eye-catching copies of ‘Fahrenheit 451‘ jutting out from shelves, or placed on tables, may befit the visitors

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
May 11, 2023 11:18 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

Thanks for your good wishes! Yes, the other posters have indeed given me good advice.

Lol, re. the ‘Fahrenheit 451′ suggestion!! I read that book (for the first time) in either late 2020 or early 2021. I recall that our dad had a copy of the book, more than 50 years ago, but I didn’t read it then (in my teens; am 64 now).

Yes, doing that might make some visitors re-think their attitude. But in order for that to occur, visitors would have to be aware what the novel’s contents were about… ie, censorship of the truths via book-burning!
The high odds are that neither of the ambulance-men who visited me on 26 April would have been familiar with that book, and in all probability, that would also hold true for whoever visits me on Monday 15th.

Your point is wholly valid: that the content of that novel is exactly what these people are attempting to do: to wipe out the big truths by ‘book-burning’.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
May 12, 2023 4:18 AM

Believing something that isn’t true doesn’t qualify someone as having a mental condition and that would be my argument regardless of what’s true and what isn’t. One event the evidence favours being real is the moon landings and yet lots of people – millions? – don’t believe in them. They don’t lock people up for not believing in the moon landings.

From Oxford Languages
Delusional:

characterized by or holding false beliefs or judgements about external reality that are held despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, typically as a symptom of a mental condition.based on or having faulty judgement; mistaken.Example:
“their delusional belief in the project’s merits never wavers”

What we see is that while being delusional can be a symptom of a mental condition, being delusional alone doesn’t mean you have a mental condition so the diagnosis that you have a mental condition based on being delusional is a false diagnosis – being delusional is not remotely sufficient for “mental condition”, assuming it can be said to apply, as many people believe things that aren’t true (according to the simple fact that people have beliefs contradictory to each other which means that some of them must have a false belief and in fact contradictory beliefs can both be false, for example, in the case of 9/11, a psyop where the propaganda strategy of “fake binary” has been employed means that both the beliefs “terrorists” and “bare inside job” – when it was really a glorified exercise pushed out as a terror event – are both wrong).

And if we were to bring up the subject of God – well, who’s delusional there? (And with that question I do not mean to suggest I’m an atheist because I most certainly am not.)

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
May 12, 2023 10:07 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Hello Petra,

Thank you for your reply. You’re in Australia, I recall! I mentioned to you sometime last year that in Jan. 2020 I’d booked a 14+ day holiday of a lifetime – my travel dream – to Sydney (my longtime partner & I would have made that trip, but he passed in March 2019, aged 70… we both have close relatives who live there), but had to cancel it in August 2020, due to the situation… I was not prepared to submit to the injections, etc. The travel agents even kept the £700+ deposit… legalised theft.

But back to the present.

As all we countless millions of ‘awake’ people on Earth are fully aware, it’s most definitely not ‘delusional’ to know that what’s taking place worldwide is so very different to what the corrupt governments & the corrupt MSM are spewing out for the gullible, brainwashed masses to foolishly ‘believe’.

So the ambulance bloke made a huge error on 26 April when he decided to do what he did to me (who do these people think they are…). He was there to help with my physical health concern, and not to make a personal judgement (an incorrect personal judgement, due to his lack of knowledge) on my [so-called] ‘mental health’, re. what’s happening on planet Earth. In doing to me what he did, he went way beyond his remit… it was literally nothing to do with him, what books I have in my voluminous bookcases (and many more books are stored in labelled boxes in the store-room!). I’ m ‘cursing’ him every day. I should not have been burdened with this sort of extra stress, when I’m already suffering a concerning physical health problem.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
May 12, 2023 11:02 AM

I’m really sorry that you’ve had to suffer this absolutely ridiculous nonsense, Christine. Hopefully, it’s a problem that will simply disappear – it is just too ridiculous.

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
May 12, 2023 2:08 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

You’re spot-on, Petra. It really is “just too ridiculous”, as you say. And I certainly hope that this problem will simply disappear.

As I mentioned to one of the other commenters yesterday, the ambulance blokes were way outside their remit to start looking at the books in the many bookcases here in my lounge, and then to make a vilely-wrong judgement re. my [so-called] ‘mental health’ due to their spotting a volume by the esteemed Dr Vernon Coleman, re. the global crimes that have been committed during the last 3 years [and ongoing].

They, the ambulance crew, were in my home to check me out medically, and decide whether I needed to be taken to the hospital (I’d had pain in my back/chest, earlier in the day, and the NHS ‘111’ service here in the UK had urged me to call for an ambulance).

What I think of that Irish ambulance bloke is unprintable…

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
May 12, 2023 7:33 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I’ve posted an update on my situation on the OffG article posted today by Sylvia Shawcross (re. the Easter Island statues).

Ben Pope
Ben Pope
May 12, 2023 11:59 AM

Love to you Christine. You have been given some great advice. You are perfectly sane. Never rise to the nonsense and you will be fine x

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
May 12, 2023 12:48 PM
Reply to  Ben Pope

Thank you so very much for your comment, Ben! I much appreciate it.

Yes, I have most definitely been given some great advice by many commenters here on OffG, the last couple of days. And I appreciate their responses too. I hope they know that.

I know full well that I’m sane! There’s some saying, in this sort of context, but I can’t recall precisely what it is. Something on the lines of “In a world that is completely insane, those who are totally sane are wrongly claimed to be the insane ones”. That’s not the actual quote, but is the gist of it!
And OH how true the [actual rendition of the] saying is, & never more so in today’s crazy world.

I’m 64, and am the only one in my family who’s not fallen for the evil of the last 3+ years. And all bar two already ‘awake’ friends also fell for the scam/hoax. They all compliantly rolled up their sleeves… I’m the only one who refused to be injected. And I actually told the local surgery, when they kept pestering me (via texts, phone calls, and a couple of letters) for ‘your’ ‘cv-19’ V-word, to ‘f— off’!! (I don’t usually use that expression!)
I was SO fuming with rage at them all. Once I’d said that to them, I heard nothing more from them!

I recall a bloke here in the UK, on another forum, very early in 2021, right after the ‘roll-out’ of the injections, related how, when his local surgery contacted him re. ‘his’ injection, he told them very forcefully that he wanted it adding to his medical record that he’d rather have a hole blown in his head than submit to these injections. I think they must surely have got the message…

I sincerely hope that I’ll be ‘fine’ after the ‘visit’ by the ‘psychiatry’ people on Monday 15th. I’m so very stressed by it. Every day, I’m ‘cursing’ the bl**dy ambulance-man who went outside his professional remit on 26 April when he started looking at the books in my bookcases, and focused on the one by the esteemed Dr Vernon Coleman, re. the scam/hoax of the last 3+ years. And by so doing, he, the Irishman, has put me into this plight.

(I have nothing whatsoever against Irish people, I love their accents, and I have Irish ancestry on our dad’s side! It just so happened that the person who did this to me is Irish!)

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
May 12, 2023 7:34 PM
Reply to  Ben Pope

Ben, I’ve put an update re. my situation on Sylvia Shawcross’ article on OffG today re. the Easter Island statues.

Sam I am
Sam I am
May 11, 2023 1:38 PM

Oh

Is Deborah Lipstadt a Holocaust revisionist?
This is a serious question.

There are three camps of Jewish people,

(1) those that recognize the treacherous role of the Zionists in perpetrating the Holocaust
(2) those that want that historical role forgotten through revisionism
(3) [the majority?] those that have already forgotten

It would appear that Deborah Lipstadt may belong to camp (2)

You will discover that camp(2) is winning if you try to research Judge Benjamin Halevi verdict Kastner

Woowoo
Woowoo
May 11, 2023 12:21 PM

I see this type of nonsense all the time on forums now.
Example.
Comment board host.. Lets discuss censorship. Usually imply s the Baddies in mainstream media.
OK..
Commentators post comments on Alternate media comment boards. 60% get through.
Comment board host/admin mods places comments in awaiting approval or wont post comments and the rest get eaten up by WP (so they say) and miraculously disappear.

I very much doubt comment boards will be active within 5 years at this rate..
Even discord closes the thread or group using it tek.
You tube now redlines your comments and deletes it.

You cant even discuss this without the threat of getting censored by upset blog host.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 11, 2023 12:53 PM
Reply to  Woowoo

How do you know about the alt media comment forum operator’s secret code? It’s creepy. You must be an insider.

Sam I am
Sam I am
May 11, 2023 1:44 PM
Reply to  Woowoo

“They’re coming” to take your pamphlets, too.

Free speech is being attacked and controlled in the
modern mass media arena. They have now begun to notice
the old, old fashion means of mass communication
the physical paper pamphlet.

Florida now has on the books a law targeting those
flyers **deemed** antisemitic.

paul
paul
May 11, 2023 12:04 PM

Is this the Michael Lesher who wrote a book about Syria?

futurist
futurist
May 11, 2023 11:53 AM

Is it any wonder, then, that no one in mainstream alternative media has mentioned the totalitarian tendencies implicit in the COVID Crisis Group’s recommendations for “pandemic” regulation via dismantling democracy, or in Ambassador Lipstadt’s appeals to the public to “discredit” anti-Semitism by recasting it as a criminal conspiracy?

moneycircus
moneycircus
May 11, 2023 11:10 AM

“It should be obvious that once you characterize anti-Semitism as a “conspiracy theory” you have made a case for censorship.”

But that’s not what’s at stake.

The tripwire of logging in before you post serves to cut the train of thought.

The price is indeed that “they are coming to take you away, away, they are coming to take you away” at least in your mind.

The ADL, Bnai Brith and its profuse operatives are as nothing compared to the self-trained censorship of those who “would do good.”

Practically the whole of U.S. and UK society knows “what to know” on the major issues – and the press uses that self-same phrase.

Any outfall of the UK or U.S university system in the past 25 years “instinctively knows what is right” as inherently as Mary Whitehouse or any aristocratic accolyte of the 1970s.

It matters not if they work for The Times or the Alt Media – the mindset is generational.

Richard
Richard
May 11, 2023 9:09 AM

Does this mean Biden will throw himself in jail?
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2013/05/biden-praises-jews-goes-too-far.html

eman
eman
May 11, 2023 8:00 AM

______ the ______
propaganda that denies individuals their right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. 
global economy designed to destroy “a constitutionally defined way of life”.
information gating(open/close) and filtering systems that the information environment. 
legal system that punishes non conformity & grants monopoly powers to private persons.
secret government and corporate systems that function to deny people their liberties.
wall street plunder and rape systems, that deny humans their liberties. 
digital systems that provide 24/7 identity, surveillance and access control.
education system that trains robots to replace human performance.

Sam
Sam
May 11, 2023 7:59 AM

Honestly, who gives a shit? It’s just the EU and the 5 Eyes nations that are turning into Orwellian ghettos. At this point, there’s more freedom of speech on the internet in China than in Britain, Ireland, or Canada.

Get over yourselves. In ten years’ time, everyone in your world (aka “the whole world,” arrogant bastards) will be too busy fighting over food and water and pills to worry about censorship of speech.

T.S.
T.S.
May 14, 2023 10:50 AM
Reply to  Sam

If chicom-land is so wonderfull, then move to your holy chinese paradise. But like all you armchair-socialists you never had to live in your socialist paradises.

George Mc
George Mc
May 11, 2023 7:58 AM

The pressure to accept the bullshit at face value is enormous. And that seems to increase the more absurd the bullshit becomes. That’s because facing up to the truth involves such a huge strain that it’s crippling and becomes increasingly insufferable every day.

The parasite overlords are perfectly aware of this and it’s part of their plan I.e to ensure that those troublesome ones who won’t just sit back and “enjoy the show” are as disheartened as possible. Every piece of media crap is aimed as a subliminal threat- the more ludicrous the more effective since it says, “Look at this bollocks! Look what we can say! Look at those saps just lapping it up! Isn’t that scary? Hey why don’t you join them? Surrender to us!”

And before anyone misunderstands I am not advocating surrender. I am just acknowledging the psychology they are using.

SeamusPadraig
SeamusPadraig
May 11, 2023 11:38 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Yes. They have long since moved on from persuading to intimidating.

Woowoo
Woowoo
May 11, 2023 12:32 PM
Reply to  SeamusPadraig

Yes. They have long since moved on from persuading to intimidating.

Its for your own safety though….

Placental Mammal
Placental Mammal
May 11, 2023 5:45 AM
Placental Mammal
Placental Mammal
May 11, 2023 5:47 AM

Djugashvili was of course only a figurehead.
Imagine 12,000 prisoners freezing to death on a ship. I wonder if they bothered to recover the bodies.

paul
paul
May 11, 2023 12:14 PM

Do you think these accounts are accurate or credible?
I certainly wonder about that, given all the lies we have been told on virtually every other subject imaginable.
Claims of 10 million victims seem exaggerated to me, coming from sources engaged in a full blown vilification and demonisation disinformation campaign against communism.
While you wouldn’t want to paint an overly rosy picture of Stalin’s Russia, it wasn’t wholly negative.

rechenmacher
rechenmacher
May 11, 2023 1:06 PM
Reply to  paul

If you read Varlam Shalamov (the article linked above quotes him but doesn’t reference) you’d probably think he’s credible. Before reading his books I didn’t even know about Dalstroj and the Kolyma camps.
You are of course right, however, about ‘history’ consisting mostly of lies.

paul
paul
May 12, 2023 2:15 AM
Reply to  rechenmacher

He gives a figure of 18 million victims. It just seems a bit overblown.

correspondencecommitttee
correspondencecommitttee
May 11, 2023 5:31 AM

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Penelope
Penelope
May 12, 2023 1:48 AM

Cute comment, but IF we had the right people in office NONE of what is happening could have occurred.

We need only 3 things: paper ballots counted publicly at the polling place; an alternate physical currency system, and a discussion NOW about why and how to redistribute the wealth– which has obviously become too concentrated– and into the wrong hands.

But as long as it’s COOOL to be skeptical and pessimistic, you might just well be a sheep, for all the difference you make.

Penelope
Penelope
May 11, 2023 4:56 AM

They DID take Peter Flaherty away.

https://sagehana.substack.com/p/investor-peter-flaherty-arrested

Brief video of an old man with stones:

Investor Peter Flaherty Arrested At Warren Buffett Event for Discussing Bill Gates’s Ties to Jeffrey Epstein

dom irritant
dom irritant
May 11, 2023 12:19 PM
Reply to  Penelope

you can bet the most vocal at that shareholders meeting were in jeffrey’s little black book

shaydeegrove
shaydeegrove
May 11, 2023 2:46 AM

Ah yes. “Afro-American” Colin Allred, Obama cutout and member of the BLM dream team. Born (mommy’s white) and raised in North Dallas, a community of 90% white collar households earning an average of $212k per year and living in dwellings with a median value of around a cool million (only half of which are mortgaged). Not so “breathtaking” anymore…

Maxwell
Maxwell
May 11, 2023 2:25 AM

Whatever you want to call it, its here.

First, they don’t care what you and I say. Its moot. Words have no bearing on what they do.

They make war at will. They print money at will. A few corporations control the banks, medicine, media and food. They also operate with no oversight, poisoning people, the economy and the environment–at will. You and me, are simply a means to make money off. Warm bodies to to simply run products through–trinkets for our amusement, processed and factory-farmed/frankenfoods to keep us alive, and media to see that we are kept both ignorant and fearful. We are not human to them in any moral sense. We are human petri dishes for them for exploitation.

Our political process offers no control over them, no choice of an alternative. If someone makes it through, they are rendered ineffective–or in some cases, disposed of. No one represents the majority. Worse, they operate on a global scale, directing their operations electronically. They operate with deadly force and ambivalence towards the people afflicted by their greed of money and insane lust for power.

If its not fascism, or a new strain of it, exactly what is it, then? We probably need a new description/term at this point, anyway.

And we’re out of time–completely.

Gordon McRae
Gordon McRae
May 11, 2023 3:59 AM
Reply to  Maxwell

I read two names for it this week. Techno-feudalism (fascist totalitarian oligarchy) and corporate totalitarianism.

mgeo
mgeo
May 11, 2023 7:47 AM
Reply to  Gordon McRae

Some of the superfluous synonyms serve to fragment and create “smoke” around the discussion. E.g., kakistocracy for oligarchy.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
May 11, 2023 11:03 AM
Reply to  Gordon McRae

Axis of Evilness is my proposal.

May Hem
May Hem
May 12, 2023 11:36 AM
Reply to  Gordon McRae

Another name – corporape. What a difference one letter makes!

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
May 11, 2023 4:01 AM
Reply to  Maxwell

Yup. It was reading (and re-reading) the monograph by Jacob Siegal (see link below if you haven’t already read it). It was this piece that convinced me that the idea that we were “heading towards” totalitarianism was outdated – it’s already here. Siegal is not presenting a conspiracy theory, his evidence is government policy documents themselves (which is what Simon Elmer does in the UK context). I have read it and read it again, I have looked at the source documents. It is a sober appraisal, it took me some time for its import to sink in. We are indeed out of time.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/guide-understanding-hoax-century-thirteen-ways-looking-disinformationotalitarianism is here.

It is definitely a new form of totalitarianism, whether it is a new form of fascism as Simon Elmer makes a book-length argument in The Road to Fascism: For a Critique of the Biosecurity State, or as things develop a new term rises as a better fit, I don’t know.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
May 11, 2023 5:18 AM
Reply to  Tom Larsen
eman
eman
May 11, 2023 8:07 AM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

government documents only happen after a corporation lobbies the government.
the theme forming, originating and planning documents can be found in the secret archives of the corporations.

Proletarius64
Proletarius64
May 11, 2023 7:49 AM
Reply to  Maxwell

The artist formerly known as Communism. Now rebranded.
Welcome to Communitarianism “for the greater good” ” we’re all in this together”
As set out in the 1987 a publication from The World Commission on Environment and Development ‘Our Common Future’ ”Group think, the hive mind which then demonises anything outside the controlled accepted narrative.

This is the basis of how society works in the present technocratic age. https://windowsontheworld.net/video_type/5350/

Howard
Howard
May 11, 2023 4:34 PM
Reply to  Maxwell

Reality is a good name for it.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
May 11, 2023 7:01 PM
Reply to  Howard

That’s what Globocap calls it, “reality.” That’s how all of us can be easily dismissed as not being part of the reality-based community. So we are all conspiracy theorists, crazy and a “danger to democracy.”

“Reality” is what Globocap says it is.

SeamusPadraig
SeamusPadraig
May 11, 2023 1:22 AM

As for Lipstadt, she has launched her attack on the First Amendment by redefining “anti-Semitism” so as to include an extraordinary range of political speech. Her first step in that transformation is the familiar trick of confusing criticism of the Israeli government with anti-Jewish bigotry.

The irony of the situation is that if anyone demanded a homeland for white Gentiles only, Lipstadt & Co. would be the first to denounce them for ‘racism! That’s how these Zionists roll: Nationalism for me, globalism for thee.

Let’s be clear: however noble the pretext of opposing Jew-hatred, it should be obvious that once you characterize anti-Semitism as a “conspiracy theory” you have made a case for censorship.

That’s a fair point, although in reality I suspect that it’s really the other way around: they want to brand all conspiracy theory as “anti-Semitism,” so that nobody can ever legally complain about anything again — except for ‘white supremacy,’ of course.

When the monolithic narrative that is all they have been taught lies in ruins, they will replace it not with a rational, informed alternative – for they will know of none – but with whatever satisfies the rage of a population that realizes, too late, that it has been hoodwinked.

There are times when I suspect that’s what they want. Maybe they fear their narrative is failing so badly that they might actually have better luck on the battle field, once they’ve painted all their critics as ‘white supremacist conspiracy theorists’? Who knows anymore …

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
May 11, 2023 1:09 AM

I doubt that. If they were, they would have done that already. I suggest its another scare campaign.

May Hem
May Hem
May 10, 2023 11:01 PM

This article appeared on the site of the Brownstone Institute. Brownstone Institute’s many contributing authors have ties to several organizations promoting COVID disinformation campaigns.

Don’t know about the author of this article.

https://littlesis.org/oligrapher/8372-brownstone-institute-covid-contrarians

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 11, 2023 1:15 AM
Reply to  May Hem

LittleSis, the awake man’s fact-checker? I’m not enjoying the lack or awareness/irony here. Or am I missing something.

Also lots of pieces get published by lots of sites, often outside of the author’s control. It’s no indication that the author shares or condones the site’s opinions 100%, or vice versa

May Hem
May Hem
May 11, 2023 3:20 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Exactly. That’s why I said “don’t know about the author of this article”. Readers can decide for themselves.

Gordon McRae
Gordon McRae
May 11, 2023 4:05 AM
Reply to  May Hem

I noticed you have been disinforming about the Brownstone Institute recently here on Off-Guardian. Are you being paid to discredit them?

eman
eman
May 11, 2023 8:16 AM
Reply to  Gordon McRae

if not, he should be rewarded for exposing what is contained in this important link.
https://misinformationkills.substack.com/p/brownstone-institute-and-covid-contrarians

Gordon McRae
Gordon McRae
May 11, 2023 8:31 AM
Reply to  eman

Who is paying Adrian Egli to cast dispersions on all those good folks in that list and why are you defending May Hem? You’ve got a nice little gang going here now.

Gordon McRae
Gordon McRae
May 11, 2023 4:03 AM
Reply to  May Hem

Covid disinformation…. You mean they are telling the truth? How much are you being paid to make comments on alternative media sites?

Rav
Rav
May 10, 2023 10:22 PM

Man has through out history covered up what is real and what isn’t real. For example Jesus wasn’t white and Colombus discovered America nonsense. Misinformation and disinformation have now reached its precipice which the technology age as accelerated at a great pace. Same goes for then and more so now. All lead by the deception of the west as they have no saints only soldiers to destroy what once was and trying to destroy what’s once it now. Theocracy is at the bottom the pile which kakistrocasy is at the forefront. Even black history has been white washed and proper books now that don’t exist or cost thousands and that’s if u can get your hands on them

Sam I am
Sam I am
May 10, 2023 9:35 PM

Victimhood is King, a position of power.

Certainly you have noticed the mantel of Victimhood.

Victimhood trumps every moral code. King Victim
can wage war, he can extort reparations, he can silence speech
with intimidation or silence speech with faux outrage.
King Victim can by a hypocrite – no matter, King Victim
holds the trump card. King Victim can be opportunistic and
find cause whenever needed. King Victim can monetize his victim
state with an appeal to his kin. King Victim can opportunistically
create false-flags.

Examples abound throughout history, with all creeds and nationalities
seeking their own place upon the Victim throne.

Victims are often seen debating other victims over their relative
Victimhood status.

Whoa to you if you are not a victim.

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
May 10, 2023 9:10 PM

Had the 45 when it came out, cant remember may have walked out with change for half a crown. Think you had to flip it over listen to the Rest…of the wuurld in late 60’s differential communication.
I don’t know quite how to put this other than original eighteen hunderd programming is female. If anything comes from the above to remove a feeling of “cutting to deep”, I’am all for it. Something Has to done, in my opinion. soo,
Who is the lady above that’s the main thing. She’s obviously polically powerful in Today’s World.
Thx

Vagabard
Vagabard
May 10, 2023 9:21 PM
Reply to  Clive Williams

The algorithm needs a little bit of tweaking for ‘full sanity’s sake’ imho. But, certainly on the verges of some sort of coherency.

Meanwhile, so long as the kettle works and the bills get paid …

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
May 10, 2023 10:24 PM
Reply to  Clive Williams

correspondencecommitttee
correspondencecommitttee
May 10, 2023 8:59 PM
Jamal Dankasfuq
Jamal Dankasfuq
May 10, 2023 8:40 PM

It seems that neither the supposed “semites” or the white power types will accept the blatantly obvious, which is that racial purity is a fantasy and eastern european Jews (now the majority among ethnic groups who identify as Jewish) are nothing but white caucasians.

The idea that these folks are direct descendants of a single semitic language speaking tribe who lived in the Middle East 2000 years ago is laughable and anyone who believes it worthy of mockery.

The racial/ethnic claim to the accursed patch of desert is totally bogus as the occupiers visibly do not descend from the ancient Israelites at all.

The real descendants, if any, are much more likely to be found among Sephardic Jews but since the supposed history of the tribe is largely myth with zero archaeological or historical evidence to back it up, there is really very little factual basis in the entire “debate”.

It is the noxious tribal garbage found in the Talmud and Old Testament, being repeated ad nauseam.

“Anti-semitism” is Israel’s most powerful weapon and anyone who uses the word, as well as anyone who goes along with the racialism of either Israel or the Nazis, is essentially a friend of Israel.

The Zionist organisation in the late 30s used the Jews from the ghettos as sacrificial victims and expendable fodder to paint a picture of a holocaust from Judaic prophecy, which is where the “6 million” number came from. The Nazis wanted to cart the Jews out of Germany but the Zionist rabbis refused to co-operate because they wanted mass death.

There were nowhere near enough bodies or remains found to support the h0l0caust story of 5/6 million.
There is no physical possibity that 6 or 5 million bodies were incinerated with their bones ground down to dust in the facilities shown by the H0l0caust literature and morbid “museums”.
The reports of stacks of bodies being burned in open pits are for uneducated people with a diminished experience of the real world and how fire and real world substances work. (human bodies are about 70% water by weight).

The real total death count in the Nazi death camps as reported by the Red Cross at the time and supported by the actual evidence was less than half a million and of course it was not just Jews…

The major causes of anti -jewish sentiment world wide are jewish exceptionalism, zionism and usury. Hollywood and the culture-eroding media are also full of the usual names.

These are the very probable facts as anyone who is not hopelessly brainwashed can see for themselves.

If this comment gets published I’ll be suprised!

Will - Admin3
Admin
Will - Admin3
May 11, 2023 10:10 AM

Surprise!

Will

Hugh O’Neill
Hugh O’Neill
May 10, 2023 8:10 PM

To quote JFK: “Those who make peaceful Revolution impossible, make violent Revolution inevitable” – though that insight may no longer apply. It is astonishing to me that Zelikow is not in jail. His 1998 paper on “Catastrophic Terrorism” positively lusted after an event, like the destruction of WTC with thousands killed, like a new Pearl Harbor, which would then allow the US to wage the wars of its choice. That this same Zelikow could then head the panel to investigate the failings of the response to 9/11 resonates most powerfully with Allen Dulles management of the Warren Commission, set up to ‘prove’ the Lee Harvey Oswald was a “lone nutter” i.e. there was no conspiracy.
by Zelikow’s reference to Pearl Harbor, one must assume that this too was a murky business. Take no notice of the Memo to FDR by Captain McCollum, laying out all the steps required to provoke Japan into attacking the US first, thus leaving FDR no choice but to join in WWII. Any parallels with Ukraine are purely coincidental…

Sam I am
Sam I am
May 10, 2023 9:16 PM
Reply to  Hugh O’Neill

While “heading” the 9/11 panel Zelikow would regularly run to Karl Rove (the true head) for advice.

Before Zelikow it was Henry Kissinger that was head of the panel – clock and dagger, backroom power broker. People in Europe hadn’t heard Kissinger’s name for a long time, they assumed he was in jail. The 9/11 Families raised a ruckus as Kissinger was doing business with the Saudis. The White House backed off from Kissinger and then went with the lesser known evil, Zelikow.

Before Henry Kissinger there was No One. The White House wanted no investigation whatsoever. That was their stance. The 9/11 Families howled and so they went to a friend of the Saudis, Henry Kissinger.

George Mc
George Mc
May 10, 2023 7:53 PM

Where to start?

“[I]t’s a conspiracy theory that Jews control the media, the banks, the election process, etc. If you believe that there is a group controlling these things, then essentially you’re saying that you don’t believe in democracy.”

No, if you believe that there is a group controlling these things, then essentially you’re saying that we don’t have a democracy!

Furthermore, tarring “all denigration of Jews with the hot-button label “conspiracy theory”” Is easily reversible to so that “conspiracy theory” (all conspiracy theory) becomes denigration of Jews.

In short, “anti-Semitism” is now equated with “conspiracy theory”.

And then there’s the curious amalgamation of the above with the covid coup. But that makes sense. It was only a matter of time before perfectly logical suspicions about “the pandemic” as massive fraud would merge with “anti-Semitism”. Indeed, that card has been played already innumerable times – but it seems that it is only now becoming an “official” tactic.

As for the Washington Post never once mentioning the real outrages of the COVID coup (crippling of the working-class. educational damage, suspension of representative democracy, medically unjustifiable trauma, undermining of the national healthcare system), that has been the programme all across the media and out to the furthest reaches. The true onslaught has been “disappeared”. Indeed, it was never registered in the first place.

And that the name Deborah Lipstadt crops up here is most interesting. I have no idea when the expression “Holocaust denial” was coined. But the first time I heard the expression was in the wake of the famous Lipstadt/ David Irving confrontation. There have been a few “watershed” moments over the decades – JFK, 9/11 being perhaps the two most prominent ones. But I think of that Irving trial as another such – not that I mean to excuse Irving from genuine anti-Semitism, but only to note that he played a crucial if unintentional role in this steepening curve towards a deliberately intensified belligerence used to shore up an increasingly censorious political correctness.      

Violet
Violet
May 10, 2023 7:31 PM

Oh my god, I can’t believe I just read that!!!

Gordon McRae
Gordon McRae
May 11, 2023 5:01 AM
Reply to  Violet

Believe it! George Mc makes some damned good comments. In fact he may not be one person he may be part of a cabal of Mc’s.

DannyO
DannyO
May 11, 2023 9:23 AM
Reply to  Gordon McRae

 😂  That made me laugh out loud.

George Mc
George Mc
May 11, 2023 4:30 PM
Reply to  Gordon McRae

Since you mentioned me I feel compelled to speak but it seems that Violet above isn’t responding to anything I said. Her comment comes about 20 minutes before I even posted my first one. Unless she has prophetic powers?

Gordon McRae
Gordon McRae
May 11, 2023 7:34 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Intresting. I thought it was a terrific compliment she made…. And since i usually like your comments i thought i’d chime in. Now I see that her comment wasn’t addressed to you specifically but only came right after it in the string. Oh Well…. In my defence many of the Mc’s were drunk last night and i may have been one of them.

Hemlockfen
Hemlockfen
May 10, 2023 6:50 PM

You would think.

My gravely ill sister’s lungs are shot. She is on a transplant list. Her doctor just informed her she needs a Covid booster.

American doctors refuse to broach the concept that they made a mistake. They refuse to look at the new data that proves it. They would rather risk doing more harm to their patients than risk liability by admitting that the clot shots are risky. Operative word: Risk.

They don’t care about any of the new information. He routinely looked at the calendar to see how long it had been since her last clot shot injection and said it’s time for an update. Like a vitamin shot. As long as they stay with the narrative they are protected.

I told my sister that I thought the doctor was trying put her down like a sick dog. She gasped. (Not making this up) They know exactly what they are doing. And they don’t care who they hurt.

I went though the abbreviated spiel with her all over again. She is worried they will refuse to do the transplant if she is not boosted. Evil, through and through.

Nothing has changed. They will never stop lying to protect themselves and their credibility. Once they make that admission, they open themselves to liability. Too risky.

Crimes against humanity.

And once again, the CDC still recommends injecting infants with the poison. (That fact alone should be enough to start a revolution.)

You would think……..

Jamal Dankasfuq
Jamal Dankasfuq
May 10, 2023 8:43 PM
Reply to  Hemlockfen

There are many lone facts enough to start a revolution but not enough people with nothing to lose, yet.

dom irritant
dom irritant
May 11, 2023 12:42 PM

that is the problem, the fact that we have everything to lose, that fact is so enormous most cannot see it in front of their faces

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
May 10, 2023 9:31 PM
Reply to  Hemlockfen

American newborns some Americans call ten year olds infants.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
May 11, 2023 1:15 AM
Reply to  Hemlockfen

The fear card is THE means by which doctors keep people coming back and by which they enforce their “medicines.” Perfect business model.

paul
paul
May 10, 2023 6:46 PM

It’s just a conspiracy theory that Jews control the media.
There is no evidence of this whatsoever.
It’s pure coincidence that all the US media is owned by 6 Jewish Zionist billionaires.

A swarm of bees, a troupe of actors, a den of thieves, a gang of Blacks, a coincidence of Jews.

Robert Douglas
Robert Douglas
May 10, 2023 8:02 PM
Reply to  paul

You half to clarify this position, the average person of the Jewish faith, has as much in common with these billionaires, as I have with Mark Carney.

MattC
MattC
May 11, 2023 7:07 AM
Reply to  Robert Douglas

Surely the key issue is billionaires. How can anyone earn that amount of money legally and honestly and pay all due taxes? And with all that wealth comes the urge to meddle. Oh and attend Epstein Island and other such venues.

The removal of all billionaires’ wealth and their imprisonment for theft and fraud would mean a real improvement in the world.

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
May 10, 2023 10:56 PM
Reply to  paul

I wouldn’t say black if I were you it’s a political inference meaning a person of any colour. Sorry.

Human values
Human values
May 10, 2023 11:24 PM
Reply to  paul

The fact that they are billionaires is much more relevant to the issue of their ownership than what was the religion of their parents.  

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 11, 2023 12:17 AM
Reply to  Human values

Indeed, they have more in common with each other and other billionaires than they do with most Jews

SeamusPadraig
SeamusPadraig
May 11, 2023 12:54 AM
Reply to  Human values

While it’s certainly true that there are plenty of goyishe billionaires, don’t you ever wonder why they’re so dramatically underrepresented in banking and media?

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 11, 2023 1:05 AM
Reply to  SeamusPadraig

Lots of ethnic groups tend to fill out niches, don’t they?

That some niches have been infiltrated which are necessary to establish a global propaganda machine is not a coincidence. But maybe you’re reasoning backwards.

I tend to think most of the true power still lies out of view in the hands of the old aristocracies. Haven’t Jews historically been the money handlers and lenders serving these ancient aristocracies?

A2

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
May 11, 2023 1:18 AM
Reply to  Human values

I don’t think that Zionists are religious. The truly religious Jews, Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, etc. are those who are duped and abused by these internationalist psychopaths.

Seansaighdeor
Seansaighdeor
May 11, 2023 1:43 PM
Reply to  Veri Tas

I’m not sure that is necessarily true. Zionism has links to Occutism and that is represented by the Star featured on the Israeli flag.

Zionism has links to Kabbalah but the god that Kabbalists worship is not the god of the Bible.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
May 11, 2023 11:16 PM
Reply to  Seansaighdeor

You are right… However, from what I read Zionism was born from a secularist movement. The religious aspect was slowly insinuated into the Zionist movement in order to justify to their own flock and to the world that God wanted the illegal settlers to displace the Palestinians from their own land.

I’ve recently watched a video where Israeli settlers were interviewed who said that their reason for moving to these Palestinian towns was economic, that they were being incentivised to move there by the government and that most settlers closed their eyes to the plight of the Palestinians living just a hundred meters from where their new settlement went up. In other words, most of these settlers aren’t motivated by religious beliefs.

It’s the radical, armed Zionist groups who terrorise the Palestinians in the streets on the periphery of their new settlements that are causing the trouble in an attempt to get the remaining Palestinians to vacate their homes. These radicals are ostensibly motivated by religion.

paul
paul
May 12, 2023 2:40 AM
Reply to  paul

It is no more the case that Jews control the media, than that they control Hollywood, Wall Street, the banks, Congress and other similar institutions.

Though of course there are many delusional conspiracy theorists who claim otherwise.

One of these is the notorious anti semitic conspiracy theorist and Israeli government spokesperson Tzipora Menache: “You know very well, and the stupid Americans know equally well, that we control their government, irrespective of who sits in the White House. You see, I know it and you know it, that no American president can be in a position to challenge us even if we do the unthinkable. What can they (Americans) do to us? We control Congress, we control the media, we control show biz, and we control everything in America. In America you can criticise God, but you can’t criticise Israel.”

And of course it is no more true that Jews control America, than that they control Britain, France, Canada and Australia and all other countries as well. The notion that they do is utterly ludicrous.

Willem
Willem
May 10, 2023 6:08 PM

For real

Sam I am
Sam I am
May 10, 2023 5:42 PM

Handy reference, save a copy to your laptop before it disappears.
(Likely to be updated and thus expanded almost daily, me thinks)
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