“Choice”
“Choice” – JR Leach
Share your thoughts on the “choice” facing the nation in our General Election thread.
JR Leach is a cartoonist, graphic designer and author, his new book The Farmer and the Fald is available from Amazon. You can see more of his work on his website, follow him on twitter.
SUPPORT OFFGUARDIAN
If you enjoy OffG's content, please help us make our monthly fund-raising goal and keep the site alive.
For other ways to donate, including direct-transfer bank details click HERE.
Brits have spoken, pass the whip to Starmer for another round of flogging!
“In the UK, the election theatre is over, so let The Crisis begin. And begin it soon will because a change of management at the top of the UK government changes absolutely nothing about the fundamental state of the country. But it does act as a powerful relaxant for those who either (A) still believe that we live in a democracy, or (B) are so consumed by hate for the Tories that they are prepared to torch the country in order to feel better, or (C) believe that life for everyone can be improved by giving a narrow subset of ideologically possessed people inordinate amounts of power. The situation in the UK is particularly absurd because Labour, the new managers of the ongoing decline, although being less popular than they were in 2017 somehow have an enormous amount of power in The House of Commons. Yet they do not have… Read more »
The in-house Fabian rag’s verdict:
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2024/07/labours-precarious-triumph
“The British electorate is far from infatuated with Labour but, crucially, it isn’t scared of it either.”
Oh really? They know how the 4 out of 5 who didn’t vote for this feel?
The stress on the precariousness of the win is all to do with stopping Labourites who aren’t in the inner circles from feeling bold and getting any ideas of their own. Otherwise they’re creating a narrative where they can do anything – something ‘right’ can be packaged as defusing Farage while something ‘left’ can be sold as defusing the Gaza-independents. None of it will be truly left nor right – it’ll all be technocratic direct from Bilderberg and Davos.
In ‘The Great McGinty’, the central character becomes disgusted by the corruption he witnesses from the city’s political boss and goes to The Reform Party…. where he finds the same boss: McGINTY: Whata you got to do with the reform party? THE BOSS: I am the reform party, who do you think? McGINTY: Since when? THE BOSS: Since a long time. In this town I’m all the parties. You think I’m goin’ to starve every time they change administrations? Interestingly, this exchange is not included in IMDB’s selection of quotes from the film. IMDB is like the Google of film databases and this perhaps gets a little too near the knuckle. It’s approx. 28 minutes into the film. The film’s writer-director Preston Sturges’ mother was in the circles of Aleister Crowley. It’s possible he was Crowley’s son (Preston means “Priest’s son”) conceived in a sex magik ritual. The film is… Read more »
look into queer starmers eyes can you sea it
even sicker than his handler tory blair.
i feel sorry i really do for starmers rabbi what a burden to have to provide guidance to such hidden demonic corruption
Blame your king and his association of human-skin-heeled aristocrats for anointing this Lord of Labour.
no queen no king only corporations actors coming and going
oded yinon barbera lerner spector
khazhar zio pirate filth counterfeit crew
“In my country we don’t allow people from other countries to vote.”
Such is the contempt that the ownership class in the UK has for its native thralls.
https://www.voanews.com/a/uk-election-gives-hope-to-first-time-immigrant-voters/7683307.html
“The sun never sets…”
There are things you can change and there are things that you can’t.
In an era of denied voices, the election of any unmuzzled voice at least allows otherwise denied discourse to be aired in the public view.
While I don’t believe people can be made to ‘wake up’ we can remove props & supports for unconsciousness or active ignorances, by giving true witness instead of sacrifice to the masking dictate.
“VAN HALEN – Ain’t Talkin’ ‘Bout Love”
Just caught a bit of BBC telly news (must remember not to do that!)
The hyperbole was dreary. A “nocturnal political earthquake” or something like that. With a series of ecstatic MPs making fools of themselves whilst the narrator continually tried to outdo himself on orgasmic prose.
All leading up to the ridiculous anti-climax of Starmer making a speech when it struck me that he has the least charisma of any PM I’ve ever seen. For fuck’s sake, even Blair! Even Major!!
You recall all those cold war epics showing the Soviet Union as a puppet regime with phoney contrived whipping up of public enthusiasm. Well here it is!
When will “voters” realize, policies are what are created by the “political class” to rule us? So… why are we not voting directly on individual policy directives instead of for a personality-rat with a jumble of vague objectives? How to Get Sold-Out 101.
I do not know how we get to becoming the managers, the bosses, of public employees and direct our self-governing, but we need to carry this demand with us and express it directly in every communication with public employees/electeds.
Couldn’t agree more, it’s the main priority to encourage thought about, I believe. What I find most encouraging is, as, judging by historical texts, seems to have happened before the fall of more politically powerful monarchies, to be replaced with more powerful parliaments, is that the idea of a further change of political system already seems to be spreading. People historically then can seem to have just, known, something had to give. Genuinely believe that now also it’s a (rare) historical inevitably, as the rising middle class was a factor then in making it impossible for nothing to change, the internet makes it so much more practical for the population to participate more directly in policy. It also lets us see what our supposed ‘representatives’ are up to more easily. We can quickly check how they vote. Find following a debate on a subject I know about/have experience of has… Read more »
Absolutely. We need to obtain and remove the “elected’s” authority for us to become their boss, they our employee. One can look at the existing system here in the US and realize if they actually wanted democracy or to “represent” the people’s will they would have done a number of things already as a matter of practice. 1) Post all policy decisions they are involved in with objective issue analysis, emailed to all constituents via a Public Commons email system, asking for feedback/vote on the issue in stages, possibly with a later Public Assembly discussion. The elected would have to present constituents chosen solution. 2) All elections would be minimum 5 parties or candidates with explicit policy platforms with contractual guarantees of follow thru or recall. Also a None of the Above category. 3) Every aspect of elections would be open to all without any private monies involved. A Public… Read more »
The only way I envisage something like direct democracy, voting for policies, rather than personalities, would be via BigTech / AI. Otherwise, how would we be able to count the votes, analyse the trend in public opinion and ensure our will is tended to?
The dilemma is who owns Big Tech / AI and who programs AI?
Dude. No. AI would be banned and techies + us could design a system, with our oversight, that accomplished what i described.
In AI as now trumpeted, plagiarism of mass “mainstream” opinion purports to be a viable alternative to effort, concentration, experience, derivation of phenomenal principles, and morals. Good luck with that.
Incoming MSM puff-pieces about Sir Keir “Davos” Starmer expected. Some of what they won’t be mentioning:
https://odysee.com/@WyvernTheTerrible:0/sir-jimmy-savile,-sir-kier-starmer-dame:1
It’s interesting that under Sir Keir Starmer the “ Labour” Party received approximately 7% less in the electorate votes than Jeremy Corbyn whilst he was leader in the 2017 G.E, yet, Starmer is called a great leader!
The Labour bird is a winner :-D.
No way is this puppet a ‘great leader.’ He is a flip-flopping, say anything bad example.
Oh, I agree but in the minds of the Party and those that put their X on the ballot form he is the best thing since sliced bread. Meanwhile, the 80+% who doesn’t support him of his ideology view him more like this.
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Keir_Starmer
Yes it’s very good, but his list of freebies is now up to over 70K or even nearly 80 depending on the source, and of course, that is what is ‘known about.’
72 years old and for my entire adult life the choice has been between – “Hitler” and “Mussolini” – and during most election cycles it really was a toss up which was which. I vote in every presidential election – but I haven’t voted for either a Democrat or a Republican in 35 years now. I’m leaning toward Van Morrison as a write-in candidate this year.
Is British “Labour” going to war with the workers of United Russia?
You bet: lap poodle again of Uncle joe’$ handler$.
Not in the interest of the UK, but you had your chance pub plebs.
In case you hadn’t worked it out yet, the Labour Party secured 20-21% of those entitled to vote and 33.7% of those who actually did.
So a two thirds majority REJECTED the Labour Party.
That’s a fairly clear message that the people of Britain didn’t want a huge Labour majority, wouldn’t you say?
Does any one part in the western world ever receive more than 30% or so of the vote? Which would indicate that none of them ever really have a mandate to lord over us.
Some sort of direct democracy needs to be instituted and the masses of bureaucrats and top politicians eliminated.
all in the numbers 33
freaks in westminster just roth stein tag team
British Labour are workers in a free and civilised society, while the red peasants of Sovjet are animals in a dictator regime.
Further more, Russia interfered in England’s democratic elections with their
covidchock, excuse menovishot, or whatever it fogging was. I will never forgive Putin for that.This is from my pint of Lager.
I was under the impression that the voting public, aware and awake of the Covid yrs, WEF and the shit shows in Palestine and Ukraine would impose a ‘cancel culture’ on pretty much both primary parties all sitting MPs.
But here we are……
My admittedly limited sampling of idiots I know, in real life, on social media, would suggest that this is, indeed, how they vote. Until the pitchforks come out on the streets, this is your democracy in action.
”Membership of political parties has been in decline in the UK since the 1950s, falling by over 65% from 1983 (4 per cent of the electorate) to 2005 (1.3 per cent).[1] In 2022, 1.5% of the British electorate were members of the Conservative Party, Labour Party, or the Liberal Democrats.[2]”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_party_affiliation_in_the_United_Kingdom
So out of this very tiny minority the people get to choose their ruler. And it’s called majority rule.
This is supposedly the best system ever.
You don’t have to join a political party to vote in a General Election, you numpty.
Most voters and most people don’t belong to any political party. Members of political parties are those who can be voted in. They then become ”representatives of the people”. They are elected to high offices where they make laws and decide who gets money and who doesn’t. Party leaders may become ministers and prime ministers and presidents in countries where presidents exist.
Political parties are interest groups. They aim to look after the interests of their members. The Nazi Party served the interests of nazis; the Bolshevik Party served the interests of bolsheviks; and so on. Party leaders are known to be the worst people on Earth, the most successful mass murderers.
So, most people do not belong to political parties, but they can vote for these hitlers, stalins and pol pots, leaders of political parties, who then become state leaders and start mass murdering ”their people”.
In democracies, there’s a multi-party system. So there may be more signs, for example:
BIGGER IS BETTER
VOTE BIGGER EVIL
EVIL IS GOOD
VOTE EVIL
TRUE EVIL IS A WINNER
VOTE TRUE EVIL
VOTE ANTI-EVIL EVIL PARTY
FOR PEOPLE
foreign interloper boris foreign churchill foreign queers starmer foreign sunak,braverman all foreign david cameron real name levitts who said the east india company was dead rebadged blackrock vanguard little richi did not comply with foreign banksta did not want to be war kill churchill queer starmers mossadick file is much thicker think of janner mcalpine leon no british britain think freak ted heath. was it 4 or 6 paedophiles that went from heath cabinet to thatcher the milk snatcher. all a roth stein shoah dangerous times is it 2 or 4 law men from the city of london that sit next to the speaker of the house in the commons foreigners from another city state correcting changing the laws of england. how many rabbi mossad does starmer have as handlers tavistock mk ultra man a queer sort the bombing rape and pillage will go on the talk will sound sweet… Read more »
You been sniffing William Burroughs again? Fear and loathing in the UK?
eustace mullins anthony c sutton douglas reed the protocols that seem to have happened
just another under cover khazhar freak what does he worship what are his family traditions
Considering how meaningless this vote was, isn’t it time those MPs got real jobs?
If they did George, one would only be draining part of the swamp.
As the French say it: “plus ca change plus c’est la meme chose” – the more it changes the more it’s the same thing . I thought the population would have learned its lesson by now, but it has not as it is still caught in the same revolving door mentality – round and round it goes, and we can only await the karma that will surely follow, and it won’t end well, unless things radically change within the not too distant future.
Actually, this election saw the biggest reduction in the combined vote share of Labour + Conservatives since the war: 33.7+23% being barely 57% of the popular vote. So almost half of those who voted refused to vote for the Uniparty.
You may think that Labour got a supermajority, but they got less votes in percentage terms than David Cameron did 14 years ago when he had to form a coalition Government.
If Labour don’t introduce proportional representation voting for UK General Elections, I can see the Labour Party getting wiped out next time like the Conservatives have been this time. To teach them that they have no divine right to rule and certainly not on barely more than one third of votes cast.
I can’t imagine that Labour will introduce proportional representation Rhys, and even if they did, the Establishment or “inner agency” as Scott Ritter calls it, will always find ways of subverting any policies that go against the grain anyway.
The whole system needs a radical overhaul including the so-called “Establishment”, if that fails to happen then we are still faced with just another revolving door and the current level of corruption that is endemic within the whole system.
Well there you have it. Another new day, another shiny new ‘government’ lined up and ready to go. Where exactly ? Don’t worry that direction will be controlled by some of the most vile, manipulative cretins who run the UK Establishment and this new set of clowns will most certainly follow their orders. Chief clown Sir Keith will continue to ignore the genocide committed by his Zionist friends against the people of Palestine. He will continue following Agenda 2030 and its criminal Globalist agenda where ultimate control of governments worldwide with attendant impoverishment and coercion of whole populations will ensue. For decades we have been travelling down this path where democracy is slowly being dismantled and delivered into the greedy corporate owning hands of those who seek wealth and power. Sir Keith and the other European ‘leaders’ following the American warmongering Zionist cabal donating £billions to their fascist proxy regime… Read more »
People are talking about “landslide victories” for the wef/zionist sponsored starmer. I thought I would have a quick look at the actual numbers and at the time of this post it was 9.6mil for his wef team. Not much of a landslide since there are 67mil people in the UK. So over 57 million people voted for something else or none of the above.
Why people are voting is weird. For decades people have voted red or blue hoping that it will be different this time. Hows that working out for you?
Remember that 20% of the UK population isn’t entitled to vote – the under 18s. So that reduces the total electorate to 54 million and then there are several million who haven’t registered to vote, so you probably have between 45 and 50 million actually entitled to vote on electoin day. Most people reckon that Starmer secured 20-21% of the electorate’s support, based on a 60% turnout.
I’ll repeat my post above… When will “voters” realize, policies are what are created by the “political class” to rule us? So… why are we not voting directly on individual policy directives instead of for a personality-rat with a jumble of vague objectives? How to Get Sold-Out 101. I do not know how we get to becoming the managers, the bosses, of public employees and direct our self-governing, but we need to carry this demand with us and express it directly in every communication with public employees/electeds. Re: here in the US: Per Census data in 2022 52% of eligible voters voted in Congressional elections meaning 48% did not, a none-of-the-above vote with their feet. Only 69% of eligible voters are even registered. In the US one must be “registered” to vote. This means 31% choose to not participate ever. In local elections, the turnout is even worse by my… Read more »
To add to the above, in essence, there are NO electeds that have received over 50% of eligible votes. Thus, there is no majority rule in the US, there is NO democracy, No republic. NO voluntary consent.
You should look for Etienne Chouard on Youtube. You will like him 😉
You are right, i do like him. He advocates what is obvious to any socially minded human being. Common sense. A Public Commons solution. And i see that he has been attacked as an anti-semite, the new nuclear-option mass marginalization bomb that took out Corbyn, RFK Jr and any potential move to self-rule for the 99%. Their Matrix of self-policing obedience is becoming a transparent rag flying in the wind and their “SYSTEM” offers the bottom 90% less than zero. Inevitable.
OG has been pushing the idea that there’s a worldwide clearout of existing governments going on – I was fairly sceptical of this because of north American but with Turdeau in trouble and Biden apparently doomed it appears this is indeed potentially a thing (Modi is perhaps an exception?). Corbett and Pilato discussed this on the latest NWNW: 1) Corbett compared it to the cleariing out of established CEOs just pre-convid and took the conclusion that something big is imminent (he didn’t say what this time but he’s been talking about the probability of war elsewhere). We’ll see about that one. 2) Pilato floated the idea of “the cooling of the mark”. This is qute convincing to me. It’s a term from confidence tricksters, mentioned in the book ‘The Big Con’ by David W. Maurer (which in turn inspired books/films like ‘The Grifters’). There comes a point when someone being… Read more »
Maybe.
The question they have to ask themselves is how many times can you do that until the pirchforks come out to play ?
Only the names change.
Clearing out Governments is the way to nip bottom up rioting in the bud: you get your puppets to rip the populace off for a decade, then you clear them out and bring in a new lot to rip them off in different ways.
after the bank heist it normal for the crew to leave the scene of the crime
simulated counterfeit elections are a clever way to clear the pirate decks
That’s why we have to ignore everything they do as a ruse and, like the prow of a giant ship, steer straight forward right thru their bullshit toward the root problems and solutions we know as common sense, is self-rule, not middlemen “representative” sellout.
heyho – just think if starmer gets ill or absent without leave, angela fucking rayner runs the country … harummmppphhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh – there’s no business like show business!!!!!!!!
Seems the whole Reform circus was just a vehicle to get Sir Nigel of the Farage installed in Parliament. Am thinking that his his role will have something to do with talking up Trump pre-selection or acting as a go between and liaison when Trump is ‘crowned’.
Galloway has gone – seems that they didn’t need a loud mouthed, openly communist in the HoC when a communist/PPP government has now been (s)elected and will work by stealth to soften up and rob the plebs further towards serfdom in time for 2030.
4 Reform and 4 Green is a balanced outcome. I would love to support a true environmentalist gov, if that’s what greens were. But in reality they are just nutter magnets.
What is communist about Kier Starmer?
He is just an empty suit who has no principles – an agenda pusher.
However, the policies he will accelerate of UN Agenda 21/20230 are communitarian, which is communism rebranded. The removal of the right to private property is communism. Fascist regimes such as Germany ,Chile, Spain and Italy never outlawed the right to private property.
David Rockefeller admired communism as he stated in his biography. He also wrote an obituary for Mao.
The NWO has made it clear its goals are to leave you without owning anything . No home, no car, no land, no self-sufficiency, no independence. You will rent everything from their chosen corporate partners. It is the PPP in action.
Serious point about this debacle.
Starmer has said he is more Davos than Westminster.
They already have ‘hate laws’, expect that to get a lot tougher. Sites like this could be restricted to the point they can’t exist.
At least now, with the distraction of the election behind us, we can go full steam ahead towards Agenda 2030.
Since lockdown, I’m already doing pretty good on the “owning nothing” part but am finding the “being happy” bit slightly more challenging.
Who knows, once the cricket burgers become widely available on the supermarket shelves, maybe that’ll cheer me up a bit 🙂
Oh dear, what will we eat in the football season?
so long as spicy tomato relish is still an option for the burgers i don’t think 95% of the population will mind
These ‘landslides’ are simply one-party state by the back door. It’s a way of rubbing people’s noses in the state’s triumph. And how strange that most of those people who voted for Boris Johnson’s ‘landslide’ five years ago suddenly wanted Starmer’s ‘landslide’. Look at the media crowing too just as they did after Blair’s ‘landslide’ in 1997, the Brexit referendum and Corbyn’s ‘defeat’.
YOu should look more carefully. The Labour Party got the same percentage of votes in 2024 as it did in 2019 and less than it did in 2017. This ‘landslide’ is entirely an artefact of the electoral system. The Labour Party barely over one third of the votes cast and 80% of those entitled to vote did not vote for Starmer’s party.
Labour victory. Well blow me over. Why bother? They tell you what’s going to happen and then it happens. Not that it matters. But a different result (HA!) would make the wokeification/ depopulation/ meat deprivation/ vaccination a little harder.
Muslims in the UK a looking forward to today’s elections: finally a support for their brothers in Gaza on the horizon. UK situation irrelevant. Farage & co are racists and into misogyny they say. Experienced folks talking about “sisters”….
Globalists of the Ummah kind.
I look forward to Sir Keir’s first speech where he tells Israel to go and take a fuck to itself.
one can dream
UK Labour leader Starmer opens up about his family’s Jewish traditions Opposition leader says his children are being raised ‘to recognize the faith’ of their grandfather’s family; wants to ‘make up for lost ground’ between party and Jewish community
Ah is that why he has that rabbit-caught-in-the-headlights look?
His wife might announce their divorce fairly quickly if he did. Always important to find an MP with a Jewish wife to install as a major party leader, you know….
I swear the reason why the “hard right” is surging at the moment is because people have got fed up with ‘lesser evils’. (They also don’t seem to understand what ‘hard right’ actually means!)
Thanks for confirming that MI5 wants you Brits not to vote Farage.
Or, Farage et. al. have been created to split the Tory vote and let Starmer in to serve MI5’s purpose.
Since 2020 the “Right” have been the lesser evil. The “Left” have been the vax pushing, lockdown screaming, genital mutilating, insect chomping, total psychobilly evil.
Not necessarily. During the covid years in NZ when the Labour government were enacting their thoroughly evil policies, the “right wing” National party’s only criticisms were that they were not locking down hard enough, too soft with vaccine mandates, etc. etc. Of course this was opposition party politics grandstanding bullshit, but you get the idea.
Well fancy that. Here it was the opposite this proving that the parties are indistinguishable. But from covid onwards it has been Leftist rhetoric that has powered biosecurity fascism whereas the Right have been chosen as the mouthpiece for dissent.
“…psychobilly evil.”
I swear that the reason you think Reform UK is ‘hard right’ is because you are hard left. Border controls isn’t hard right, it’s basic sanity. Support for small business isn’t hard right, it’s small c conservatism. Not bankrupting the country through only allowing ridiculously expensive sources of energy isn’t ‘hard right’, it’s Fiscal Solvency 101.
it’s the preliminary move for a sharp ‘U-turn.’
elections confirm the peoples irrelevance.
Starmer is a more evil Murdoch thug than Mandelson, Thatcher and Blair combined.
“Davos or Westminster?” Starmer: “Davos”
Starmer’s eyes appear to telegraph the impression that he is so ‘compromised’ that he will stand for anything that the audience will fall for. I find that I actually feel ‘sorry’ for him. He wants the ‘crown’ but is as nervous as buggery at the prospect of actually receiving it. I suspect that I would feel the same if I had sold my sold to the devil. It is interesting that he received a knighthood at such an early/ish age. What on earth did he have to do … for the honour? Hmmm! O boy, I suspect that the Brits are due for very interesting times indeed.
Curious that Maitlis asked that question…
puppet
mossad cia mi5 files to to saturn infinity
as they say in the house of the mother of all in westminster
the eyes have it
dead eyes like piss holes in the snow
He knows he has the charisma of a damp rag and the image of a low grade bank clerk….
Take 2 ?
Starmer will need to brush-up on his serpentine-acting skills to be as slippery as Tony. Incidentally, whatever happened to Mr Bliar [intentional], has he been hung for treason yet? Now there’s a devil that could give Netanyahu a run-for-his-money in the accomplished-Satanist stakes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Labour,_New_Danger
Remember this ad campaign back in ‘97 – I thought how ridiculous it was at the time but, as has been said many times, the best move the devil made was to persuade us all he didn’t exist.
The British deserve every minute to come. They have been begging for red lines and mommy’s whip for a couple of hundreds of years.
Let’s have the section if conversation prior to the question. We might get a different context. Not that I like the slimy robotic c*nt
Decades ago I had about a hundred long play (LP) records,
always wanting to own more, but income didnt allow…Yet i
wasnt really that dissatisfied, and the records got to be played
over-and-over… Then came cheap CDs, emphasis on ‘cheap’,
and i’d the cash, so i indulged, bought CD copies of all the
LPs i’d wished i could buy decades ago… But i rarely play the
CDs, just tooo many choices, so frustrating !! (I Pine for The
Old Days ?)… Same when i stroll the lolly aisles in the local
supermarket – so many choices, so usually i settle on the familiar…
The Modern World, especial politics, is like the lolly aisles, so
many choices, but the difference is only in the packaging, the
contents all sugary sweet, made of the same few ingredients…
I can never decide, is it “Sameness Through Difference”, or,
“Difference Through Sameness” ?
“The Modern World…”
Try voting for the Evil Lesser!!
Consider yourselves lucky.
Here in the COLONy we have compulsory voting.
It’s like a choice between sandpaper or glass paper to wipe your arse with.
They don’t even need to give us a Reform Party in OZ to pacify the 1st Grade Truthers. Everyone still happy with the left /right illusion.
Vote Communist. If Communism has been culturally genocided in your ward, form a cell and put up a candidate. Don’t waste your vote.
Let neighbouring China be your inspiration: young Ozzies can learn to make things, not only dig up raw coal and iron ore.
7NEWS vaccine injury show / ICYMI
Every lie is a prayer in their religion.
Make U.K Great Again. MUG A didn’t catch on.
but i do believe its a fine spanish wine
There used to be 3-4 parties competing with the third occasionally getting up to 20% . Now it’ s just two real contenders and it’s blue or red in most NATO countries, it seems.
They pretend to serve mostly different sections of the middle class (and upwards) and voting is choosing who appears likely to give you the most financial benefit or less taxation and has nothing to do with any wider issues. Maybe if we keep talking people will finally get to the point of “I can’t take this anymore”
They won’t.
Unfortunately not. There is always a new generation of idiots born to replace the old ones who will keep voting. Or in the case of the UK, a new dingy full of immigrants who think they have hit the jackpot when they land on the shores of Dover.
Your analysis couldn’t be more wrong for the UK. From 1945 to 1970, the big two parties in the UK always secured > 90% of the vote between them. This election it is 57%. Two other parties secured over 10%, a third secured 7% and a few others secured very significant shares in small regions of the UK (parties representing Wales, Northern Ireland or Scotland).
In the UK, the direction of travel is relentlessly away from the two biggest parties, it’s just the electoral system hasn’t yet shown that up.
“If you always vote for the lesser of
two evils, you will always have evil, and you will always have less.”
— Ralph Nader
You could always try voting for the evil lesser!
😆
There is zero chance that this rotting system can be “fixed” through the officially-approved mechanisms. First off, it is not broken- it is serving the interests of those who designed the system quite well- the top 1%. Secondly, even if you could reform it why would you wish to reform a system that is destructive to human dignity and a threat to life itself for the vast majority of the populace. Whether overtly recognized or not, there’s a war going on — the global ruling class against the rest of us. It’s called class war. The rulers want you to remain chained to these non-stop vapid shibboleths of “choice” (which extends beyond the electoral Kabuki) swallow whatever slop the elites dish up and passively assent to this arrangement. Our primary focus should be on resisting and criticizing this system, not on adapting to it. You should be talking with your… Read more »
Sorry to tell you this, but just criticising the system won’t work. Two outstanding critics have just lost their seats.
Be positive. Vote for people who build up your country. People who improve and defend it against the odds. Let China, Russia and Iran be your inspiration.
‘ It has to be what they call “radical” politics — something that big business and the media are definitely not going to like.’ Most people don’t like radical change. Too scary.. always thinking of what they still have instead of what they have lost over the years. And what they may lose when they start to think. And so they continue to accept the little pin pricks that the government forces them to take with vaxx as one example, voting as another, increase the chocolate ratio by minus 5%, as yet another, etc. Radiohead sang about this (quite depressing…) LYRICS: No Surprises [Verse 1] A heart that’s full up like a landfill A job that slowly kills you Bruises that won’t heal You look so tired unhappy Bring down the government They don’t, they don’t speak for us I’ll take a quiet life A handshake of carbon monoxide [Chorus]… Read more »
These voting systems also rely on anachronistic notions, the most obvious one being that Labour represent “the proles”. Blair’s Labour so totally replicated the Tory business model that Thatcher called “New Labour” her “finest achievement”. It was this facade of “Leftness” that kept ths neoliberalism going for another two decades. But still the punters held on to their antideluvian ideas. And now with the transformation of the whole propagandist sphere into a phony “Leftist” scenario, there are many who think the revolution is finally here …. on TV.
https://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2021/11/making-starmer-pm-shock-tory-by-election-losses-ahead/
From your Link:
< UK Government fixing to have “Labour” [ie, New Liebore] form the next executive branch, and to have Keir Starmer as the next prime minister. >
Makes sense. Liebore is the creation of TB.Liar, currently nonvoting Director in House of Rothschild. Starmer will take his orders from Rothschild Head Office — as do Tony, Rishi, Dave, Nigel, Micron, Stolz, Ursula von der Lieing, Old Uncle Joe Biden and all.
“They’re all in it together” — OffG.
The Rothschilds/ City of London/ the families behind them having been orchestrating the “ prime ministers” of the U.K./ British empire as indeed they have, with rare exceptions, the US “ President “ for well over a century. The “ democratic “ process is a sham which I have witnessed first hand !
since waterloo
could not escape if i wanted 2
Do describe what you witnessed in much, much more detail!
Did you observe ‘ballot rigging’?
Did you observe unelected families ‘ordering the Prime Minister how to act’?
Did you observe the Security Services taking orders from a Rotschild to rig an election??
I was a member of the local Labour Party. I attended a branch meeting after Jeremy Corbyn had lost the 2019 election because of MI 7 and the fifth columnists within the party ie Starmer & co. The meeting concerned the discussion ( a very loose term) and who should be the branches recommendation for the leadership candidate. At the meeting was an NEC member, who was a businessman, and a right wing factional figure from on of the Blairite branches. Naturally, the accusations against Corbyn related to his having the lowest share of the vote and losing the most seats. However, it was selective memory since I pointed out that in the 2010 GE Gordon Brown had lost 91 seats with a 29 % share of the vote. It was liking lighting the blue touch paper to a rocket. I was attacked by this right wing factional figure plus… Read more »
I recommend reading ‘The World’s Worst Superstition’, which examines the reality of ‘government’ in itself. The author basically explains that for the most part governments are unnecessary and are actually inherently destructive as they attract the worst sort of people, which seek to control others. I lived in Calcutta for a year from 1969 to 1970. I have several good examples of the validity of this premise. I was living in Calcutta for well over a year in 1969-70. I rented a room in a boarding house and was learning sitar from a very good player, Balaram Pathak. On my way to my lessons, I used to stop in a shop of a highly skilled instrument maker, called Hiren Roy. Whenever I came, he would always give me chai and we would chat a bit, his English was pretty good. Anyway, several things happened during those visits which were very… Read more »
You cant have theft of the Commons without a government
to make the theft (aka – privatisation) legal…
And by making theft legal government claims the Right to
bludgeon into submission, or label as criminals, anyone
protesting the theft…
This theft masquerades as Law ‘n’ Order !!
Can’t locate The World’s Worst Superstition. Do you have an author?
Try The Most Dangerous Superstition by Larken Road
Sorry, I meant to say by Larken Rose.
I think Savorywill is referring to ‘The Most Dangerous Superstition’ by Larken Rose. It has many 5-star reviews on Amazon, and one of the reviewers calls it THE ‘most recommended book’ of all time, as I believe it should be. The same reviewer mentions that one can instead watch all Larken’s videos. Larken’s website is http://www.larkenrose.com/ and I would particularly recommend a 12-minute animation called ‘The Jones Plantation’ https://old.bitchute.com/video/Hul5vU29cHs4/
In bureaucracy: “Work expands to fill the time available”. – Northcote Parkinson
In capitalism: Exploitation expands to (a) satisfy plutocrats in the oligarchy (b) preserve the existing distribution of power, i.e., snuff out dissent or challenge.
American writer Gary D Barnett frequently writes excellent articles re. the fraudulent, criminal nature of ‘government’, worldwide.
We’ve had centuries of people having to depend on individual charity and non-state organisations in the UK. It’s not an untried thing. People starved to death, and were malnourished within living memory. To such an extent malnutrition among working class men was found to be a problem when forming an army in WWII – there was a reason the social safety net was expanded after it. My grandad was among those half-starved young lads. He was trad. Labour always, he’d been through what it was like before. People still die with a benefits system (such as the deaths of disabled people in the UK), never mind without one. Kolkata has desperate poverty. It doesn’t sound like the old man can have been especially comfortable, and it’s a humiliation and unnecessary in itself for him to have to go round the neighborhood for the means to live. Wouldn’t have wanted that… Read more »
Yes it was the same in Greece. ‘Don’t steal anything. If you do, they won’t call the police. They’ll just kick the shit out of you.’
Vote for more evil as this will get you lesser evil, as it is obvious you will get more evil when you vote for lesser evil.
The last in the voting box shall be the first going out, and the first in the voting box shall be the last walking out.
He who want to be warm shall freeze, and he who want it to be colder shall feel it being hotter and hotter.
Those who want to live forever shall die immediately, and those who want badly badly to die shall live until the sun is black!
au contraire – Oh Contrarian.
Freedom Is Slavery. Big Brother says vote for the lesser evil, and that government is necessary evil. So consenting to evil is the choice made by those who want to abdicate choice in favor of being governed, rather than choose, every day, to live free as self-governed people, voluntarily creating cooperative and just social relations, independent of the institutionalized violence necessary to enforce rule over others. Revolution, in values and action, remains the radical choice of our common freedom and dignity. Rather than forever vainly hacking at the branches of evil, as Thoreau said, it’s necessary to strike at the root.
is starmer promising us warmer and sunnier summers cos this one and the last one were crap!
Sunny summers = climate change apocalypse and must be stamped out!
He’s offering Dale Vince £250m in government subsidies and he’s offering the people of Britain even more expensive electricity.
Brilliant!