Talk Thread: Election Day in the UK
The original title of the post was simply “Election Day 2024”, but of course this is the “greatest election year in human history”, so that didn’t narrow it down enough.
Today is the general election – or rather selection – in the UK, and the consensus is that Labour are going to storm it. Hardly surprising since the only effort the Conservatives have made is going out of their way to humiliate themselves.
Seriously, the Tories have barely campaigned. Where I live I have received more Communist party leaflets than Conservatives, and the Tories hold this seat and have done for years.
Notable Conservative claiming they’ve already lost, before the polls have even opened. A risky campaign strategy to be sure.
The question doesn’t seem to be who will win, but rather how much will Labour win by.
The only possible spoiler for Sir Keir Starmer’s big day being Nigel Farage’s Reform, who have surged in the polls in the weeks running up to the election.
Realistically, according to polls and media coverage we’re looking at three potential results:
- Labour win a Blair-style “supermajority” and can do pretty much anything they want.
- Labour squeak a narrower than expected win, with Reform surging in voting and leaving Farage as leader of the opposition. Cue a bunch of concerned columns about the “rise of the far right”.
- Reform win a narrow victory, Farage is Prime Minister and Britain gets its own Donald Trump. Yay us. Cue even more concerned columns about the “far right”.
But what do you think?
- Who will win?
- By how much?
- Will there be a clear majority or a coalition?
- Who will be the opposition? Will Reform replace the Tories?
- What role will Farage take moving forward?
- If Labour win as expected, what will their first policy changes be?
Most importantly…
- Does anyone still think their vote counts?
- Does anyone think the result will make ANY difference to the rollout of the anti-human globalist agenda?
We’ll keep this post updated with any important breaking news as the day progresses.
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How boring politics is.Sir Keir wins-Yawn.Big surprise.He will be another Vile,Evil,Ruthless Globalist pawn.
Voting back and forth for the same and different versions of oppression and sleaze.
Does anyone still think their vote counts?”
“Being Anishinaabe, and also raising an Anishinaabe/Nehiyaw/Nakoda daughter, has further affirmed the truth that we are, 100 percent, our own sovereign nations as Indigenous Peoples. It has affirmed this truth within myself as I think about the future my daughter will have growing up on the political landscape that exists today, constantly having to fight for the truth of her inherent rights.” Andrea Landry
Why I don’t vote in colonial politics
https://this.org/2019/10/10/why-i-dont-vote-in-colonial-politics/
Inalienable Rights: A Suggested Solution To The Covid Coup
https://off-guardian.org/2021/09/21/inalienable-rights-a-suggested-solution-to-the-covid-coup/
As an Indigenous woman, I was scared to give birth in a hospital
https://usparenting.com/pregnancy/as-an-indigenous-woman-i-was-scared-to-give-birth-in-a-hospital/
This Is Not A Song, It’s An Outburst: Or, The Establishment Blues
https://youtu.be/lJyawB1E78M?si=xIJgmBiSVhX_p-EB
Do you think some of the voting is fixed? Andrew Bridgen got a very low vote compared to his 2019 win. Seems very unlikely.
The latest Register of MPs’ Interests shows that Andrew Bridgen received thousands of pounds in services from Laurence Fox’s Bad Law Project. This includes “media support”, “speech writing” and “social media strategy”, all following Bridgen’s infamous H@l*******t tweet in January 2022. which cause a alt media normal msm alt media stage managed ‘controversy’.
There was also financial tie between Bridgen and Reclaim. He also got a £25,000 interest free loan last August from his “mate” Jeremy Hosking, who bankrolls Fox’s Reclaim Party and also owns The Critic, which employs Toby Young. It’s a small world!
Andrew Bridgen the U.K idiot version of RfKjr wannabe.
11:21 AM · Apr 2, 2021
Andrew Bridgen
@ABridgen
I have had my first vaccination of the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine this morning at Masons Pharmacy in Coalville. The staff were very helpful. Can I encourage everyone to take up there vaccine appointment and protect themselves and those they love. Together we can beat Covid.
The first thing the new government will do is announce that they would have freed Assange if he hadn’t already been freed, and then await their well-deserved adoration for protecting free speech.
Reformers are now the new hopium of Trust The Plan UK style.
Hear is some facts.
Reform was the Internet pacemaker just the like the Brexit party was to give the illusion that people really cared about Brexit and after 4 years of media madness about the contrived ritual called Brexit they voted to get it over and done with and Nigel the pacemaker back then with charge you 50£ to join The Brexit party then disbanded his party last minute and told everyone to go vote Tory (Boris) if you want Brexit done and bizarrely coincidentally= Corbin Labour party’s 2019 election campaign was quiet poor.
They’ve just Switcharoo and pretended everyone wants to vote Labour in 2024 but in truth they had no choice.
That is not electing.
There was never any real chance of Reform winning under the present system. Labour won a supermajority though they actually received less votes than they did under Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019. This election was decided years ago and the Conservatives did virtually everything possible to lose it.
A genuine question would be: is there really democracy? If not then what does it matter for whom you vote, what the outcome will be this time round. In my country an unelected non-politician has become prime minister two days ago (that’s The Netherlands). He has been chief of the Dutch secret service for years. Democracy? I should think not. But maybe it will fare differently in the UK….
Here’s my sources for the figures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_breakdown_of_the_2019_United_Kingdom_general_election
https://ig.ft.com/uk-general-election/2024/results/?constituency=E14001279
Labour’s share of the vote is almost exactly the same as when they lost in 2019. The Conservatives’ vote has crashed by almost exactly the share of the votes that have gone to the newly created Reform Party. It’s as if Reform were created to split the Conservative vote and give Labour a big majority. Starmer is a safe pair of hands for someones interests.
33.8% of 59.8% is 20.2%… that’s some landslide. Those are the latest Fabian vote share and turnout figures I can find – not that it’s easy because the media are burying them in usual fashion unlike the results in seats which are trumpeted everywhere. It’s the usual psyop. I’m looking forward to all those protest songs about the 1 in 5 that won’t appear.
This is not of course to make the equally usual tedious arguments about chnging the electoral system. The problems go much, much deeper. Look at European countries with PR to see they’re no better.
I see that amid all the carnage Braverman, Badenoch and Jeremy (The Invisible Man except in the Guardian) Hunt kept their seats. What a shocker. The only slight pleasure is seeing Tobias Ellwood of the 77th was booted out (to no doubt reappear somewhere else causing even more harm but 24 hours of self-deceiving slight-enjoyment is probably permissible!).
I’m trying my best to get that evanescent pleasure out of “my” tory mp’s probable demise….no, it’s gone already.
The new Shropshire tory is a mercenary who keeps finding public funding, like tories somehow do in plandemics, and all those psyop ‘begging blind donkeys in war zones’ on the TV.
On a New moon Independence day selection.
The Big Think is frightfully clever! They advocate thinking and lots of it! And they can quote Kant (don’t worry about how he viewed the state – he was very clever)…
https://bigthink.com/thinking/everyday-philosophy-is-it-better-to-forget-your-past-or-keep-bringing-it-up/
Why the sudden urging on now to forget? What could they possibly want everyone to forget? Couldn’t be the two years of lockdown and vaccinations that didn’t feature at all in the election campaign, could it?….
Like any apparently new and sudden trend it’s really not new at all. For at least two decades the trend has been to get people to contract out their memory to their devices. ‘We can remember it for you wholesale’ as Dick-heads are prone to say. Gotta keep those brain cells free for some really important activity – like… err… what to consume next or when’s the football on?
Memory is like any muscle – use it or lose it.
I have been voting for half a century now and I have never been able to vote for someone who actually represents my interests.
It can safely be said that the Labour Party has in no way ‘a mandate from the country to rule as dictators’. They have achieved 34.4% of the vote, less than David Cameron got when he had to go into Coalition with the Liberal Democrats.
No-one should have any tolerance whatsoever for any Labour liar that says they have ‘won’ this election. They have won lots of seats due to an unrepresentative electoral system.
Nearly twice as many people voted NOT LABOUR as voted for the Labour Party, yet already, the Labour Party has nearly 400 seats, with around 50 still to declare. In a truly representative system, they would have around 200 seats.
The Liberal Democrats actually have about the right number of seats – 65 on 12% of the vote. Reform UK ave secured 600,000 more votes than the LibDems but have 4 seats. They also secured 20 times as many votes as Plaid Cymru but secured the same number of Parliamentary seats.
This is a complete farce and nothing Ed Davey nor Keir Starmer try to say about that will change that. On 14% of the vote, there should be nearly 90 Reform UK MPs. The Conservatives, on 23% of the vote, should have around 150 seats. They are significantly down.
Ed Davey, in particular, leads a party that has campaigned for decades for Proportional Representation. If he tries to come out with drivel that ‘the electoral system works’ because of a quirk of the split of the vote, then he will have proven himself as nothing but a principle-free shyster worthy of being thrown into the River Thames.
I truly hope that the country tells Labour in no uncertain terms their lack of support and makes life absolute hell for any contemptible Labour MP, supporter or activist that tries to claim that 34.4% is a ‘mandate to rule’.
It isn’t, it never has been, and it never will be.
No tolerance either for calling themselves “Labour” – it’s the Fabians who are in the driving seat.
Regardless of PR or FPTP, I am sitting here this morning knowing that I live in a nation of idiots.
Labour will drown the country,as con have done, following the replacement policy.
Instead of NHS reform, Starmer will shovel billions into the black hole.
Green belt will be destroyed.
Yet the people who voted Labour in KNEW this when they voted !
UN-BE-FUCKING-LIEVABLE
The phrase ‘couldn’t be worse’ are dangerous but on this occasion Reform, even if they just solved the boats, couldn’t have been worse.
The beauty of democracy: people are steered to vote a certain way by the media, then they do and whatever happens it ends up neing their fault for choosing the wrong party/candidate. So the ones that own the money supply, the media/entertainment, and run the intricate back rooms of govt where decisions are made laugh all the way to the bank (quite literally).
US thinking seems to have been;
As the USA was initiated by a treasonous act it’ appears
hypocritical to do over Julian Assagne on a Treason charge.
Therefore, release Julian back into Freedom in time for USA’s
Independence Day… It’ll make US look good ?
A politician who believes men have a cervix is not evidence of the success of
trans or whatever screwd-up ideology, it’s evidence of that politicians ignorance.
That anyone would vote such ignoramuses into 0ffice is a frightening thought…
Who’s a member of the Trilateral Commission? Founded by David Rockefeller.
Anthony Blinken.
Keir Starmer.
‘Starmergeddon’ may well not be an exaggeration.
https://www.trilateral.org/
The issue is bigger that party politics or government. The social subversives have raised trans-sex from private adult practice or delusion to a matter of rights (over-ruling parents’ rights), criminal insult, etc. If our core bisexual reality can be undermined, our end is not far off.
We Cannot have a selections, without this quote that has now been factchecked.
The same applies to the covid op.
Total shambles this voting of the Uk and elsewhere. Never true democracy and the only true democracy is God and even that has been high jacked by loonies. Stay true to yourself and let others falter but help those in need for one day you maybe in need.
Aren’t the Tories and the Labor Party similar to the Dems and Repubs, in that they’re two sides of the same coin.
Labor were at least somewhat left-wing a while ago, and Corbyn was the last bit of that. The Demoncrats have never been left-wing.
You’re probably right as Bernie Sanders is a total bullshit artist.
Remember Momentum? What happened to them?…
What is remarkable is that a few years ago both the major parties had leaders who, whatever you may have thought of them, were hugely popular with the membership. Both of them have been cast out into the outer wilderness, about as far from power as it is possible to be, and replaced by identikit globalists. Almost as if it was planned…
As an example of the approaching intensification of the trans lunacy that will be accelerating under Starmer, consider a case of reversed morality as reported in the Graud:
“Georgia lawsuit challenges anti-LGBTQ+ book bans over ‘real harms’
Lawsuit says student and youth groups hurt after teacher was fired for reading My Shadow is Purple to students”
Featuring the reversal whereby it is the stopping of a murderous paedophiliac cult that causes “harm”. The children will be horribly deprived of “life saving” mental and physical mutilation.
We get the “harrowing” tale of AA, a “transgender” student harassed because the one teacher stupid enough to go along with this degrading pantomime was dismissed leaving AA to suffer all manner of life threatening stress when those around HIM refused to enter the wondrous psychotic World of trans.
And which shower of ideological goons are behind this shite? Why, none other than that good old Southern Poverty Law Centre!
Plan ‘B’ then?
The body carrying out “gender transitioning” in the UK was the Tavistock Clinic.
If THIS Labour Party is “the face of the new” as the media have already decided then it condemns us to a world of braindead overgrown infants without the merest sense of history, politics, the English language, … indeed frankly without the merest sense full stop. The embarrassing antics of those enlarged middle aged male babies with make-up, wigs and dresses and their squeaky infantile voices encouraging you to come and play with them signals an endless psychotic withdrawal into a perverted fantasy world of permanently arrested sexuality. It’s as if we are trapped in the world of the Teletubbies but five decades after they aged and became decrepit but still insisted on acting like nursery charges.
“it condemns us to a world of braindead overgrown infants without the merest sense of history, politics, the English language, … indeed frankly without the merest sense full stop.”
It would be the opposite of condemnation if the global population realised that nationalism (like religion) is just a tool used (by those psychopaths who know better) to divide and conquer.
English scum is the same as Russian scum.
The problem isn’t just that the psychopaths are psychopaths – it is that most are incredibly gullible.
If there is a creator (even of the simulation), the design is malfeasant
The original Disraeli had some interesting things to say about where power really resides in the UK.
See ‘Coningsby’ fro example.
Interesting coverage of the Tory campaign:
“Senior Tory criticises ‘worst campaign in my lifetime’ as frustration grows”- The Guardian
“How the Tory campaign imploded” – The Times
“How Right Wing newspapers changed their coverage as Tory campaign imploded”- Inews
You may ask if this is “skewed” reporting but at this point it ought to be clear that what these politicians do and how it is reported are two fields that meld imperceptibly together. “The Management” (i.e. the overall power centre) makes the decisions and then issues the script which is followed by the players and the reporters. It is obvious that the Tories were told they must bow out, they act accordingly, and the media gleefully reports their downfall.
To paraphrase Tolkien, The Age of Neoliberal is over. The Time of Biosecurity has come.
Australia is in the grip of an building industry manufactured housing crisis…
The latest version of Official Concern is over there being So Many Vacant
Houses about the city…
Prediction: the next stage of Official Concern will be over the many selfish
elderly persons, whether alone or couples, still living in The Family Home,
though the kids have long flown the coop…
This undoubtedly will lead to the State forcibly acquiring the Selfish Aged Persons
homes, and removing Gran & /or Granps to a Rest Home to “free up the housing
stock”, though it’s also likely that, like in 1919-20 post-civil war Russia, the State
will order Gran** to surrender all spare rooms for others to live in…
Though the Housing Boom has been restrained, not so building inner urban
high-rise blocks in which to ‘pack and stack’ the numerous migrants invited by
the government – necessary as they are for Australia’s Consumer Economy to
continue to grow…
** ‘Saving Gran’ from ‘covid’ was the PR face of the campaign to delete Grans
to “free up housing stock'” ?
The power of “the right-wing press” is something they want to put to bed. It’s served its purpose and it’s race is run.
who cares
Reform UK will do well to get 20 seats (probably an overestimate).
But look for the ‘exit poll’ around 10pm UK time (around 3 hours from this post). Usually uncannily accurate (no need to stay up all night)…
The Torys haven’t done any promotion..?
WTF!!
They have a news channel called GBnews pumping migrant / commis coming to get you 25 hours a hours 8 days aweek with half the Conservative party as paid presenters and some of alt media like your self.
You used to promote the GBnews weekly Neil mason Oliver monologues.
You obviously don’t live in an area that has been culturally enriched by the mass importation of illegal migrants.
Nationalism is our form of incest, is our idolatry, is our insanity. ‘Patriotism’ is its cult… Just as love for one individual which excludes the love for others is not love, love for one’s country which is not part of one’s love for humanity is not love, but idolatrous worship.
ERICH FROMM
Nationalism is the love of one’s nation as built by our ancestors, NOT idolatry. Patriotism is the willingness to stand up for the principles represented by it.
There is absolutely no connection between excluding the love of others and loving yourself and the principles of your ancestry. If you can’t love yourself, your family, your community and your nation, you’re also incapable of extending that love to others in the world.
The natural order of love is self, family, community, nation, world. It all starts at home.
The sentiments of GBNews serve to promote the Reform Party which in turn serves to split the Tory vote. See how that works?
Although it is already “such a beautifully multicultural”, Germany is still (actually forever) a scary country, says a “British” Jew. It is sheer inconsolable. However, there is still one way to get rid of your historical guilt: Only a Germany that has completely disappeared from the face of the earth can ultimately become also a truly good Germany in our highly critical eyes! Is that a decent offer that you could be happy with? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_Ronay
https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jun/22/on-a-journey-through-germany-the-horror-of-the-past-lurks-close-to-the-surface
People desperately want to believe in these hollow civic rituals. Anyone who thinks spending (wasting) an iota of financial or political capital on electoral politics to be a worthwhile endeavor is living in some fantasy land.
In every election you are bombarded with propaganda about how “your vote makes a difference” and associated nonsense. According to the official version ordinary citizens control the state by voting for candidates in elections.
The politicians are supposedly servants of “the people” and the government is an instrument of the general populace. This version is a myth.
The way the system is designed all elected representatives will do some version of what big business and the state bureaucracy want, not what “the people” want.
Elected representatives are figureheads. Politicians’ rhetoric may change depending on who is elected, but they all have to implement similar policies given similar situations.
Elections are a scam whose function is to create the illusion that “the people” control the government, not the elites, and to neutralize resistance movements. All voting does is strengthen the state and ruling class, it is not an effective means to change government policy.
Absolutely true 100% I hope you don’t mind I have reposted this on Facebook !
The insane run the asylum.
Anarchy (rules WITHOUT Rulers) now.
Here in Down Under the ruling faction of the Australian Uniparty, the Labor
Party, suspended a party parliamentarian for her outspoken support for
Palestinians, ie, going against Party support for Israel’s genocide of Palestinians…
The Pollie has resigned from the Uniparty, and Middle East migrants, whom
Labor gets tons of votes from, are withdrawing their support…
There’s no opening yet for a Nigel Farage to come save The System, but we’ll
get there… (The Spectacle, or Revolution ? We know which the masses prefer >)
Every politician in every country right across the world is owned, either through blackmail, bribery or pure self interest( which will eventually lead to blackmail) Not one of them has “the people’s” interest at heart.
“In every election you are bombarded with propaganda about how “your vote makes a difference” and associated nonsense.”
One of those things where they all agree which always tells you you’re hitting on something close to the belly of the beast.
I saw Mick Jagger pushing the importance of voting recently. Does an 80 year old rock’n’roll rebel have nothing better to do? That’s the same Mick Jagger who penned ‘Eazy Sleazy’ during lockdown and who emerged out of the Rothschild-Fabian LSE.
Ughh.Mick is doing a rock concert where I live.
“Bank cancels AfD donation account
The AfD has apparently lost its donation account. This has been reported by several media outlets. This is not entirely new for the party.
The AfD has to find a new bank for donations. According to information from the Deutsche Presse-Agentur, the federal party’s account at Berliner Volksbank will be closed.
The Omas Gegen Rechts association had launched an online petition demanding that the bank close the AfD account. According to the association, the head of the bank met with the grannies on Wednesday. The petition was handed over at the meeting.”
They don’t call themselves “Grannies Against Extremism”. Rechts has the same meaning as right: on the one hand the right side, on the other hand synonymous with “correct” and law. They could just as well call themselves “Leftist Grannies Against Democracy”.
“The initiative was founded by journalist Susanne Scholl and Monika Salzer. Scholl is the daughter of an assimilated Austrian-Jewish medical family. Omas gegen Rechts were awarded the Paul Spiegel Prize for civil courage by the Central Council of Jews in Germany in 2020.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omas_gegen_Rechts
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/stories-50522272
However, due to the politically correct handling of “freedom of opinion”, it is best to avoid making any hasty connections. I’m sure it’s all just pure (((cohencidence))) again.
You’ve been there before — several times. The 1959 was won handily by the Macmillain for the the Conservatives with their “You’ve Never Had It So Good” only to have the party implode a few years later in scandals and mismanagement. So after 13 years of Tory rule Labour got a a majority and the government. This lasted until 1970; the 70s started with a Conservative government (and entry into the EC) followed by Labour — “undecided”, I’d call it — culminating in the win for the Conservatives under Thatcher in 1979. This administration lasted for 17 years, eventually disintegrating in a pattern of misasma and corruption. This is followed by Blair and Brown, nominally Labour, followed by another dozen years or so of Conservative rule which, again, imploded in a miasma of incompetence and corruption (sense a pattern here?).
So, expect a Labour government, “sort of” (post Corbyn purge Labour is safe, guaranteed minimal change). This will go on for a bit until the electorate have forgotten previous Conservative administrations and then it will be back to Conservative normal. Depressing, isn’t it?
Nah, there are better things to think about:
…
excerpt from article here:
https://app.sigle.io/almondson.id.blockstack/bxsgrtafOLpULPTlasqQl
Yup, ‘telempathy’ the present, and the way onward, wherein it will still be NOW. Start as you mean to go on. The presence is the PRESENT.
Farage is the only non-globalist in play, thus making this vote simple for legal natives.
He upset the US apple cart once with Brexit, why not again?
He’s a 3rd generation banker who delivered a key note speech for the WEF Great Reset, speaking straight after then Prince Charles. That makes him a devout globalist in my book
Dream on
The Farage who called for Tony Blair to be made vaccination czar during lockdown?
Interesting how UK “conservatives” are giving up to “liberals” captainship, while “liberals” are giving it up to “conservatives” in the US. They’re both the same, interchangeable parts of the Western Empire machine playing musical chairs, thinking the prols don’t see the wall-to-wall fraud. Hah!
Notice a pattern ..? Since Bs19 all the political party’s have played musical chairs.
In the EU and most of the Western and Eastern world the same has happened
left has gone right right has gone left and new political partys appear talking internet waffle.
it makes the electorate, feel like there team in government is winning this time..
Any remaining ounce of doubt what Monbiot really is?…
https://dumptheguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/04/donald-trump-uk-rearmament-vladimir-putin-defence
He really doesn’t want to do it – but that dreadful Trump has just forced him! Solar-powered bombers with payloads full of fully biodegradable shrapnel piloted by woke hipsters no doubt.
The early returns are in and the first winner is… the MIC. Ain’t it always.
Monbiot referring to Orange Hitler
I don’t care.
I don’t care.
I don’t care.
There is no opposition.
Same as before.
Some sort of fascism, just like before.
Right on. Who cares. Don’t vote.
Think of the level of consciousness it wants to keep it viewership on.
Something supposedly called alternative which sells make believe ”voting is real”.
so lets keep talking about unisex toilets or trannies or did Biden shit his pants.
Yes, but being a white male will become illegal much sooner under “women can have a penis” Starmer’s rule.
And since Sir Keir retracted his unwise enthusiasm for the male cervix he’s clearly pulling out all the stops to look as if he might have a pair, in the rugged old sense.
Sir Lord Keir Starmer was the director of crown prosecutions when he wrote to the Swedish prosecutors as they were saying there was nothing in the Assange allegations: “Don’t get cold feet”.
Now that I’ve put that “on topic” comment I can segue into my missing comment on the last Off-G piece (the sloppy smear job on Assange). Assange has been invisible for a week since he was “freed”. Has he been “Skripalled”? The missing comment was:
Interesting article, but it doesn’t work for me.
Missing context indicates bias and lack of bona fides. Firstly, the Belfast Telegraph (I don’t give MSM ‘journalists’ much credence on anything they say ever, but that’s the source used here – and it’s a mild smear piece anyway) quote attributed to Assange is preceded by:
“His obsession with secrecy, both in others and maintaining his own, lends him the air of a conspiracy theorist. Is he one? “I believe in facts about conspiracies,” he says, choosing his words slowly. “Any time people with power plan in secret, they are conducting a conspiracy. So there are conspiracies everywhere. There are also crazed conspiracy theories. It’s important not to confuse these two. Generally, when there’s enough facts about a conspiracy we simply call this news.”
Secondly, missing from the 2017 Holberg Debate quote is:
“On the 9/11 issue generally, I don’t think it is particularly important, in the sense that every day or every few weeks, Wikileaks and some other publishers publish proof of very serious existing conspiracies that are happening right now or just a couple of years ago. In order to start wars or steal billions of dollars. These things I think can have more of a change.
There’s a certain view in relation to 9/11 that it’s some kind of holy grail that would shake the existing order of things, but I don’t think it would, even if it came out that there were some rogues, rogue agents involved.”
That one is a direct quote from him which you can watch on video, so for my money that’s more likely to be representative of his view of 9/11 (at least in 2017). It’s a view that makes sense to me.
As far as I’m aware that’s all there is about “Assange 9/11”. One attributed quote from 2010 and one video from 2017. Two instances. Not enough to make me believe the anti-Assange meme.
At lockdown protests I often got into discussions with people where the “Assange 9/11” furphy got rolled out along with the idea that he was on board the COV narrative. He hasn’t said anything DIRECTLY HIMSELF publicly about COV. Which brings me to my next point.
Assange has said nothing publicly since his twitter account was taken from him in March 2018 and he was electronically gagged in the embassy. Before that he had lots to say all the time about everything – some I’d agree with and some I wouldn’t, same as anyone else. What concerned me then and ever since is that he has been gagged for six years.
I have a ‘theory’ that there is a ‘conspiracy’ by an ‘inner circle’ of the Wikileaks/Assange machine to keep him silenced. Given his voluminous output prior to March 2018 I can not accept that he suddenly decided he didn’t have anything to say ever again. There has been no legal gag on him even when in Belmarsh. We’re told he had a parade of visitors from the inner circle and those annointed, but never once did anyone attribute a direct quote from Assange about anything. It would have been easy, and logical, to keep giving supporters direct messages from Assange, but there was a deliberate choice not to do/allow that.
Everything about Assange since 2018 has been what the inner circle puts out. Remember the stroke? The massive weight loss? Suicidal ideation? 23 hours a day in solitary (extremely unlikely for a remand prisoner, and likely unlawful)? 175 years in jail in the US? None of this came from Assange himself, it was put out by the “team”.
Now, Assange is apparently free – but he still doesn’t want to say anything. He just wants to “recover” (for which we must give lots of money to another strange fundraiser apparently with no detail on what the money is exactly for).
I don’t buy it at all, but for completely different reasons than the anti-Assange crowd. Works as a nice divider though. The accepted sides are either believe the entire “Assange” narrative over the last six years as produced by the ‘team’, or believe that Assange himself is a bad character/CIA whatever.
Final point to my ‘theory’. Let’s say he is free. There are no restrictions on his free speech in the plea deal (which I’ve read in full). He is back in Australia. So what could be stopping him from speaking publicly now?
I do not accept the rest/recover/health/privacy/family etc..excuses. He can do all that if needed and still say something live publicly – even if he said on a video: “Thanks everyone for your support but I have nothing further to say, for now I just want to be left alone to recover for a while with my new wife and wonderful family.” (I can’t write that bit with a straight face).
Australia does have National Security Laws that are amongst the most draconian in the world. It is POSSIBLE – I have no proof – that he is being held incommunicado in secret for “questioning” or the subject of a “control order” (remember, he is now a “convicted espionage cyber felon”, just to make it even easier for them). It is a crime to tell anyone that you are subject to those things and you can be detained anywhere, it doesn’t have to be a prison.
It’s been a week now and still not a peep. Hasn’t been seen or heard from publicly since he arrived here. Makes you wonder doesn’t it? It should.
If you believe there is essentially a global conspiracy to enslave the human race, its not a great leap of faith is it to believe the results of elections are rigged.
I.e. it doesn’t matter who you vote for, the results are already decided.
Seems to me thats the case.
Lets see later what they have decided……
Well it’s a bit of a giveaway when they tell you in advance.
The concept is wrong. We became slaves the moment we were kicked out from paradise.
The rest is nuances.
Starmer’s “pledge” that the UK won’t rejoin the EU in his lifetime seems to show some concern about Reform.
The Fraud’s leading photo-scroll of the leaders voting included a lapdog sitting up and begging. Cutesy clickbait… or morbid mockery?
Will two years of house arrest, poisoning blood, poisoning the rivers and beaches, massive economic robbery (i.e. inflation), two lunatic wars and much more besides be enough to make open Fabianism palatable? Or will it be more disguised Fabianism? Choices… choices….
How’s that for a “representative democracy”?
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/overview/survey-results/daily/2024/07/03/d9e66/2
How much, if at all, do you think the 2024 election campaign has addressed the issues you are most concerned about?
Conducted 3 July 2024
YouGov surveyed 3447 GB adults
Very much . . . . . . 2 %
A fair amount . . . 16 %
Not very much . .. 41 %
Not at all . . . . .. . 30 %
Don’t know . . . . . 11 %
And in a historic landslide victory, the 18% have it! 🤡
Made me think of Devid Brent and Big Keith.
“If Don’t Know wasn’t an option…”
😂
No doubt about it. This is the anxious Corbyn replacement vertical rabbit’s big cue to …. well to stand and panic before that oncoming headlight for however many years it takes to sterilize all kids, impose as many lockdowns as needed on whatever pretences in order to cage up the protestors, impose insect takeaways, make nude pride marches compulsory, ban all books written more than 5 minutes ago, sanction the removal of one word from the English language every week, and have all WW2 movies re-edited to re-present them as accounts of Oct 7.
I’m sort of hoping for 2, just so I don’t have to spend the next five years looking at both Starmer and Sunak. Article in the DT today reckoned Starmer will be elected with a lower vote share than Corbyn lost with in 2019, so not exactly a ringing endorsement.
Whoever gets in, the globalist policies will be followed. If Labour wins, Starmer will dutifully roll out CBDC, digital ID, Net Zero acceleration, and Universal Basic income, fast. I see the greatest threat coming from the risk of bail-ins. The fact that Starmer recently changed the definition of a working person to be “someone who relies on public services and has no savings” sounds ominous. The Bank of England passed its own Bail-in legislation which went into effect after we ‘left’ the EU. I wrote about it here: UK Uniconomy: Universal Basic Income and Bail-Ins
Bank bail-ins were enshrined in legislation in most of the developed world around 2010.
Yet, to be used since it would scare the human cattle and cause further bank-runs, it is the ultimate wealth destruction tool. Silicon Valley Bank, Signature Bank and First Republic being 3 notable failures from U.S 2023 banking crisis, that were rescued with no losses to depositors.
When the day arrives of a systemic collapse then the bail-ins will be used. Then no-one will have any savings except those who got their cash out or have been given some sort of discrete exemption or work around to the bail-ins.
I think there was a bail in in Cyprus a number of years ago (10 maybe?)
There was in 2013 but I didn’t mention it because it was structured such that only those with in excess of euro 100,000 in deposits suffered a haircut. So the standard EU limit of protection upto 100k was respected. Plus, the bail-ins were ‘marketed’ as only affecting Russian dirty money!
In a systemic event, everyone will get burnt, since the various deposit insurance funds are woefully underfunded. Great excuse to rob the people.
The Greeks sold out their country about that time too, today they have to put the pedal to the metal w/a 48 hours 6 day work week as the new normal to make ends meet.
These are tough hard nosed individuals, they might not think anything of it, but try to export that philosophy to the rest of Europe or America and the results will not be as good.
Already used in Cyprus around 2012, maybe because it provided an opportunity to seize private deposits from Russia.
Interesting = The fact that Starmer recently changed the definition of a working person to be “someone who relies on public services and has no savings” sounds ominous.
I suppose if the majority of people are just 2 or 3 wage checks from insolvency, this definition could represent the majority of people in both the UK or elsewhere. Wage slaves, free range slave, choice is yours, but an actually slave the master/owner had to provide food, clothing and shelter as per a farmer for his livestock.
But for the small number of people who are able, or have built up assets to more or less be independent of political interference, we are simply interested onlookers, no influence, but aware of the system we live under.
But if the UK, plus the rest go down the road of Universal Basic Income, which no doubt we shall fund it ourselves, we shall follow the path of the PRC, if we do not comply with the rules, then we shall find our UBI reduced or removed altogether, but with no state safety net. As we have voted for our masters to bring in this legislation.
The sham West v PRC/Russia or BRICKS v Breton woods economy is but a distraction. As is the rise of political religion [the leaders of political religion are as conversant with the ideas of Marx, Smith or even Mo.
But back to the UK election my hope is Lab/Con/ Reform all with around 30% of votes/seats and then we can see, who will be willing to work with who.
Nicholas Creed, try this…..go to your bank and ask them… kindly that you want to draw out 5k that day that minute now and see whats happens.?
99% of the time they will say in very suspicious ways, you cant take that money out. need to fill out forms or calls this number to explain why you need to have that much cash taken out of your own fukcing bank account.
Or Go pay £6.100 to a car dealership in cash and the car dealership by law have to report it to the inland revenue under the anti laundering regulations (brought in under the torys).
E>U the same spill. under money laundering regulations is, any business or sole trader that accepts or makes high value cash payments of 10,000 euros or more.
USA the same: Federal law requires a person(business’) to report cash transactions of more than $10,000 by filing Form 8300, Report of Cash Payments Over $10,000 Received in a Trade or Business.
Yup, same everywhere. It is no longer your money when you put it in a bank. It becomes a liability of the bank. You have lent it to them.
Anyway, an Aussie Tiktokker had a unique way of asking for his dough in cash from the the Aussie banks. Funny as fuck to see the reactions of the “just following orders” bank employees.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12455063/Commonwealth-Bank-Westpac-St-George-called-tellers-cash-questions-customer-gets-revenge.html
And if Labour doesn’t win?
‘UNFORTUNATELY….’