Four-Level Decentralised Government
Antony Alexander
It was good to see writer and broadcaster Iain Davis back at Off-Guardian (21/11/24), this time with some interesting thoughts about democracy. I’d agree that representatives selected from party lists drawn up by capitalists, whether “state” or “corporate”, are hardly the best people to advance democracy.
But can democracy provide a satisfactory and complete political system within itself? Experience would suggest not, and a quotation below Davis’ article submitted by “Lost in a dark wood” is especially apt, given that Switzerland is so often held up as a beacon of democracy:
Swiss reject plan to abolish COVID health pass
Nov 28, 2021
The Swiss public firmly rejected a plan to abolish the country’s COVID certificate…Sixty-two percent of voters said ‘Yes’ to keeping the health pass, which was introduced in September. and not seek major amendments to Switzerland’s COVID law. The certificate restricts entry to public places, including bars and restaurants to those who are fully vaccinated, recovered from the virus or have a negative test. The referendum took place as concerns rise over the worrying new COVID-19 variant omicron…
Indeed, ever since man was evicted from the arguably anarchic Garden of Eden, experience has shown that theocracy, not democracy, has been the best political system for the greatest number, i.e. theocracy according to the original meaning of the word (Greek “rule by god”).
Exemplary theocracies enabled by Hinduism, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, Judaism, Christianity and Islam are a matter of historical record. Inevitably, though, these theocracies were eventually usurped by ecclesiastical and/or regal authorities which seized control in order to advance their own interests.
As always a section of the people was complicit, with objectors subject to persecution, even martyrdom. The conclusion was always autocracy, though the derogation often proceeded in stages: firstly a simulacrum of religion, then a man-made legal structure somewhat imitating Divine law, and finally oppression and tyranny.
Accordingly, many have proposed a return to theocracy, whether in a traditional or new form, with safeguards against its subversion. Personally or on a limited scale this might be a solution but, with the notable exception of former communist countries, the world at large is still moving away from religion.
Materialists are united, albeit in error, whereas faiths are divided. However, it is not beyond the wit of faiths to integrate, or to unite within a new one. To a great extent, though, people have been programmed to abandon their faiths by capitalistic powers keen to divert them from “free stuff” offered by religion towards highly-profitable “bought stuff”.
The best way to destroy is from within; attacking from without is always likely to strengthen an entity by summoning defence. Therefore, various irrational interpretations – such as original sin and bodily resurrection in Christianity – were quietly inserted into religious doctrine via dubious translations, and then promoted in various ways until they became orthodoxy.
The effect was twofold: firstly, to alienate many rational, intelligent people from religion, and secondly, to foster the fanaticism and hypocrisy required to paper over such anti-scientific cracks with emotion and blind faith. This second category has been a gift to the owners of the mass media.
For instance, in contrast to warring factions which are political more than religious, but to which religious labels have been applied, TV adverts show people of different races enthusing together over consumer products, thus providing the required scoreline: materialism 1 religion 0.
And fear-based autocratic policies have continued to trump rationality. As H L Mencken correctly stated: “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” One ensemble of hobgoblins terrorised man into that state of cognitive infancy from which so many irrational decisions were made during the COVID-19 episode, notwithstanding the general availability of scientific facts.
The past four hundred years have seen numerous attempts to progress from this kind of tyranny to reason and science-based equality under the rule of law. In particular, the English Revolution of the mid-17th Century, the French Revolution of the late-18th Century and the Russian Revolution of the early-20th Century witnessed the execution of a monarch representing the old autocracy, and the inauguration of a law-based system primarily employing the carrot of money and material incentive rather than the stick of violence.
Indeed, this is the political system which has gradually prevailed; even in the remotest parts of the world, autocracies have been defeated and brought within the orbit of the money power with its systems of statute law. In some countries, for some periods of time, this capitalistic strategy has been associated with demonstrable social benefits: invariably where and when it accorded with commonly-accepted religious law and moral standards.
However, every political insider within a corrupted system knows that they, or more likely arms-length associates operating via the market economy, might gain financially by making discreet trades in advance of legal changes in response to popular demand generated by reported political events (“problem, reaction, solution”). The ever-increasing divide between rich and poor is symptomatic of this temptation.
Furthermore, faced by banks, corporations and governments acting in concert, the relatively atomised middle class never stood a chance. All this capitalist combine needed to do was gradually increase taxes and onerous requirements on the holders of property in order to see all the world fall into its lap, as has been occurring for many decades. The only other requirement was to pacify the masses with such dole and distractions as their own inflated currency might buy.
Briefly, the limitations and defects of capitalism are well known and there is no need to rehearse them here. However, law-based capitalism is the best form of government within certain limited and tightly-controlled circumstances, where hidden monopoly or monopsony cannot find purchase. In the absence of a wholly-integrated Divine system, every man-made form of government – whether anarchic, autocratic, aristocratic (or capitalistic) or democratic – has some merit.
They each have their proper sphere of operation, even as life within the matrix, infancy, childhood and adolescence continue to exist within adult man. And as “the child is the father of the man”, no political system is independent of that which preceded it. Thus autocracy includes anarchy, and aristocracy (or capitalism) both autocracy and anarchy. Similarly, democracy should coexist with and embrace all three of these existing political stages, i.e. “four-level government”.
The many precedents for this arrangement include the former British triumvirate of king, law lords and parliament, as informed by both the anarchy of innocent nature and prevailing beliefs both scientific and religious. Proportionality and moderation are essential. Republicans are on the right track, but the constitutional monarchical element brings many advantages, not least continuity. The goal should be eventual return to an all-embracing theocracy.
Democracy can only work for the benefit of the people when it is decentralised, so that political candidates are known personally. Otherwise one may well be voting for an actor whose primary allegiance lies within the centralised capitalist system, thus defeating the whole object of democracy. However, political decentralisation must be accompanied by religious and scientific centralisation, lest the unity of the whole be lost. In the same way, bottom-up must be balanced by top-down.
Religious principles common to all the great mainstream faiths – including rational arguments that lead to belief in God and the Golden Rule – must be acknowledged and taught in schools; and likewise, science must return to its common humanitarian foundation, concerned only with establishing truth, and actively hostile to any political or financial influence that would restrict or thwart that aim.
In other words, decentralised political infrastructure must be moderated and balanced by centralised institutions of religious and scientific import. Bottom-up means that decentralised local councils, voted into place by constituents who actually know the representatives involved, vote for regional or national bodies, which in turn vote for national or international bodies. And what better top-down agencies than those that already exist, such as established constitutional monarchies, and genuine religious bodies and scientific institutions, according to the proper meaning of these words?
These are just a few broad brush-strokes, not enough to paint even the outline of the full picture. The subject is so vast that my book turned into a trilogy. All three self-published volumes feature a type of mudra, called a manumon (from “manual mnemonic”), which I have employed to illustrate certain complex details. There are many relevant side-issues, a few of which I have considered at length.
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As long as People don’t realize that democracy is only possible within equal, equitable, egalitarian self governed by consensus society with no delegation of sovereign power to any political elites whatsoever founded on self sustainable economy of caring and sharing according to explicitly expressed by people community needs (pure Demand Side Economy) they will be moving in circles as they do for twelve millennia.
No other long term beneficial to all the people social organization and development path is possible. Some call such a system as communitarian, an assemblage of diverse self governed communities sharing all democratic principles of direct rule that by itself guarantees equal rights.
In fact John Nash proved in a mathematical model that sharing (abandonment maximization of one’s individual benefit for benefit of community) is more beneficial to overall society than competition.
The mere existence of economic, political or cultural/scientific elites violates the very foundation of democracy namely egalitarianism (limits on division of labor) and leads to social divisions and elites’ own institutional interests and benefits dominating government refocused from people’s needs toward benefit of elites alone.
None of contemporary democracy loving intellectuals would support such real democratic society.
Watering down religion and by corollary ‘theocracy’ to pander to science isn’t any solution.
Both bodily Resurrection and Original Sin are core concepts within Christianity. And they make perfect sense.
It is surely be more irrational to believe in a God who could create a Universe from nothing and yet somehow lacked the capability to raise up a dead life to a newer form of life.
And it is surely more irrational to believe that any Laws given by a genuine God could be discarded without any consequence whatsoever.
Get the religion right and the politics naturally follows. The foundation of any Theocracy. But yes agreed, the best form of Government possible
If you accept (as few in this forum do) that human nature is intrinsically flawed, then it follows that no system of governance can escape being also flawed. There is no conceivable system which can be fruitfully manned by humans. A system without flaws – the greatest and most likely of these being corruption – is no more possible than a journey of a thousand miles beginning with the next to the final step.
Everything humans have ever tried has eventually degenerated and ultimately faded away. Nothing can ever stop the human impulse to use the system in place at any given time for personal gain. Period.
Agreed. I forget who originally said it, but yes, humans complain about the misdeeds of those in power yet when they themselves get into power they do exactly the same
In order to have a ‘democracy’ the people have to actually be able to elect. The way it has been is voting is Controlled & Not, by the people.
So ‘representatives selected from party lists drawn up by capitalists’ are ‘hardly the best people to advance democracy.’ So have said representatives ended human rights and lives in ways at all comparable to that of people selected to advance democracy from lists drawn up by communists?
Western nations have never stopped being theocracies – it’s just that the theo- isn’t what people are lead to believe it was and still is.
So is the UK now a Muslim theocracy? I note how the state punishes and imprisons the critics of Islam, but never those of Christianity.
exactly! The amount of mindless Muslims bashing that goes on is pathetic! I mean do people seriously think that everyone in Islamic countries wander around stabbing each other all the time? Plenty of violent acts by people of all religions and non committed anyway by people all over the ‘ free West’ It’s not clear why the MSm decides to call certain people Muslims anyway. I think that there are a lot more deaths in the USA caused by people using guns than there are of deaths caused by Muslims
I previously posted the following in relation to the Swiss vote:
https://off-guardian.org/2021/11/27/the-omicron-variant-magic-pills-or-solving-the-africa-problem/#comment-456094
Lost in a dark wood – Nov 28, 2021
As the saying goes:
Switzerland is of course a well-armed country:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Switzerland
So maybe something is being set up!
Fortunately, most of the fascists have taken the jab, so the best tactic is to wait it out while continuing the peaceful demonstrations. And 40% is a sizeable anti-totalitarian minority, so it can turn quite quickly.
The problem is the jabs will not kill the fascists. Fake news. All the figures shows the death rates are below 1:1000.
The fascists jabbers will only long term develop into zombies, robots, worse than any substitute mechanical robot they can come up with.
Millions of Western zombies walking in over Russia’s borders in a new WWIII. Real folks!
Yes, I posted that three years ago when I was suffering a bout of wishful thinking! It seems that excess deaths are running at somewhat under 10% – which is not enough to disturb the faith of the true believers. However, it might whittle away some of the less committed.
I agree with the author that if, and that is a big if, democracy is to work it needs to be bottom up. Local councils are the one place the electorate can effect change, since the vote rigging mechanisms have not been implemented there, at least in the UK.
Only 700 – 1200 votes are required to be elected as a councillor in a typically sized British council ward. I have looked at numbers myself using a selection of random council wards in different parts
of the country.
Since Agenda 2030 is a global to local initiative, it is at the local council level that it is being quietly enacted. Nothing to do with Davos or the UN on a day to day level, because everything is being voted for in the council chambers of one’s local council.
Miri Finch has written a good explanation of the local council election candidate procedure.
https://miri.substack.com/p/stand-in-the-place-where-you-live
On the subject of democracy, since everyone is entitled to vote over a certain age, it also allows for the uniformed, the lazy or plain stupid to vote and be easily swayed by soundbites, propaganda and misinformation.
Unfortunately, most people outsource their thinking, since they do not want to learn or care enough to be part of something which affects their day to day lives, so can be easily influenced to make bad decisions. Lack of personal responsibility is the issue – that one again.
Finally, the author mentions “genuine scientific institutions”, the problem I see there is that since most people have only a basic grasp of any sciences, that thinking too would be outsourced and be open to abuse. “Trusting the science” got us into the situation that was the Plandemic.
Any form of new democracy would require an electorate that actually engaged in the process and did their own homework, research and thinking. Good luck with that as things stand currently. At a minumum, to start with, would require a complete overhaul of the education system with classes in genuine critical thinking – not the dumbed down version taught in some schools – being mandatory for all adults and children.
Where does one start!
That is the reason many are easily mindcontrolled.
this is another RFK Trump saviour repaint faking it as something different with light word decentralised yet using there system of governance to do this.
U.K colon sell this form of trust the plan and you all seem to share cross promote the authors that appear on each other shows whilst maintain your independent.
Off topic but jaw dropping: an astonishing retrospective of the blockbuster Covid horror franchise:
https://x.com/michaelpsenger/status/1658569732763820032
There’s stuff here I didn’t know myself e.g.
· WHO man Bruce Aylward’s Bill Gates-like blanking at an interview when Taiwan was mentioned.
· Indian workers thrown out of their factories to walk thousands of miles home.
· The birth of the mask scam that was absolutely essential to the mind control programme.
· Filling skate parks with sand to stop anyone playing in them. (This giving a tiny indication of the staggering cost of all this shit!)
and on and on and on and on …………..
Truly terrifying stuff!
Prove my theory: “My neighbour is my worst enemy”.
Satan surely loves that theory.
Indeed.
During the Plandemic several British regime ministers told the public to snitch on their neighbours if they broke the various regularly changing Covid social gathering and isolation rules.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/20/report-neighbours-breach-self-isolation-rules-says-matt-hancock/
An idea literally taken straight from the Stasi handbook.
One of the good aspects of the Brexit vote was the amount of debate it generated about the subject among ordinary people, political debate that hadn’t been seen in the UK for many years. Most serious political decisions should be made by referendum, can you imagine the amount of political debate it would generate? It could only be a good thing!
Government referendum is control op.
wake up.
sure but that doesn’t mean these things don’t generate genuine debate
Fix it then. Good grief.
Maybe that’s why they don’t do it.
A politically illiterate population is easier to control.
indeed
Brexit showed that in these days whatever you do nothing changes
“Never tell a lie when you can bullshit your way through”. (Ref Off-G article in 20215 about bs).
Brilliant article, thanks Off-G. https://off-guardian.org/2015/04/09/politics-bullshit-and-ukraine/ .
The fundamental issue is simple, but solutions under its constraints just aren’t interesting to people. Hence endless time is wasted on articles like this.
So here it is: a polity in the order of millions just cannot respect the rights of the individuals. It comes down to the number of degrees of separation being too great.
For a polity with a formal government, we are concerned with the number of degrees of separation between the governed and the governors. A recent name for an example of the phenomenon is the Westminster Bubble, but it is always present and all that varies is the breadth and depth of the people’s awareness of it.
If there is no formal government, we are concerned with the degrees of separation between individuals. These are too great to allow the individuals to achieve a direct reading of what the group as a whole wants. Thus there must always be some media, or mechanism, for “informing” the individual of the “consensus”, and this is the Achilles Heel which is quickly subverted.
Many keen insights but I don’t agree with ‘centralized institutions of religious support’ .
Why would anyone be crazy enough to believe that. UNLESS it Keeps the Christydoom Conservative 3rd templecult donation scream going.
aka serves an agenda.
“We wuz da Blitz-Kangz n Sheeeit”
https://odysee.com/@redicetv:1/muh-blitz:f
What we need is AA Mark 2.
A place where Authority Addicts can be sent to be deprogrammed from anti-community behaviour.
Might need more than twelve steps, but while they’re isolated the world be a better place.
‘will be’ 😖
The German Audience listening to Australian Pink Floyd in Berlin a couple of years ago – are just sat there and do not move.
The Audiences for Hawkwind or Status Quo are never Braindead Like This
We night have been out of it
But We DANCE, 50 years later, and the Girls still look and are the same
“Hawkwind – Silver Machine (1972) (4K 60fps)”
“rational arguments” don’t lead to religious belief! religious belief has its foundation in faith which operates on a plane independent of reason, because reason is inadequate for understanding that transcendent plane
nor can ethical impulses such as empathy be taught like arithmetic, although certainly many kids going to school today absorb implicit lessons about obedience to authority, conformity, hierarchy and competition as a zero-sum game, and consequently develop a moral orientation that could well be considered regrettable
Yes, human reason is very much limited by our narrow perspective as material bodies in time and space.
But I do not think that reason and belief are completely independent of each other. The meandering history of philosophy is a tale of religious beliefs guiding “rational” arguments. And for a long time now reason has been the vehicle for the triumphant religious beliefs of atheism and agnosticism.
And so, oftentimes one would hear people of these religious persuasions boast that reason is superior to, and should replace, faith; not understanding that their reason is very much a product of their faith. And isn’t our global material authoritarian technocracy simply a logical result of the religion of reason?
Yes, human reason is very much limited by our narrow perspective as material bodies in time and space.
But I do not think that reason and belief are completely independent of each other. The meandering history of philosophy is a tale of religious beliefs guiding “rational” arguments. And for a long time now reason has been the vehicle for the triumphant religious beliefs of atheism and agnosticism.
And so, oftentimes one would hear people of these religious persuasions boast that reason is superior to, and should replace, faith; not understanding that their reason is very much a product of their faith. And isn’t our global material authoritarian technocracy simply a logical result of the religion of reason?
I am glad to see Iain Davis back again. He called out the nonsense from day one and has an insightful mind.
Your point about decentralised democracy is valid. Smaller units of mutual cooperation is the way forward I suggest, working at local level, each contributing whatever skills they have. Working together in smaller units can thwart the globalists – the main one in this country being Kier Starmer at the moment. His policy of inheritance taxes for farmers is a prime example of taking away agricultural presumably so his rich friends like Bill Gates can acquire them – as if they haven’t stolen enough already.
Antony Alexander
“Accordingly, many have proposed a return to theocracy, whether in a traditional or new form, with safeguards against its subversion.”
fine words, but “Theocracy is a form of autocracy or oligarchy in which one or more deities are recognized as supreme ruling authorities, giving divine guidance to humans”
So we just bow our heads to all the elitists cn’ts in control committing mass genocide not just in Palestine, Ukraine and with their Lockdowns – fake Pandameics – totally corrupt everything they do…
Their Malthusian Philosophy Designed to Kill You and Almost Everyone
Go on then get jabbed again
I have always had massive respect for Australians – very recently on again in London
“Sheep – The Australian Pink Floyd Show Live In Germany 2022”
Governments currently exist as Corporations which can easily be found, including all their Agencies, on a ‘Dun & Bradstreet’ search.
This means that governments, as Corporations, find themselves under the jurisdiction of Unidroit.
Unaccountable private Central Banks create unbacked fiat currency out of thin air which they then loan to governments, plus interest.
The People themselves are fraudulently converted into legal fictions using the Birth registration or Naturalization process, this places them also under the jurisdiction of legal codes & statutes.
Who is actually voting when you identify as the all-CAPS corporate fiction..?
‘The corporate state is an immensely powerful machine, ordered, legalistic, rational, yet utterly out of human control, wholly and perfectly indifferent to any human values.‘
Charles A Reich (1970).
You cant have ‘a democracy’ without a state, a standing army,
secret services, intelligence agents, politicians, et al, to defend it…
Anyway, whichever way you look at it, while everyone holds fast
to Property – ‘Property, the Enemy of Hoomanity – the thieves will
run off with the loot…
Everyone in a mass democracy (aka – the masses) must bow down
to, and obey, The Economy (a device, superimposed over society
and all productive activity, for sucking all the collectively produced
wealth into the hands of The Few)…
The important thing at the moment, if you are old and alone in the uk, is to get one of these. Don’t quite boil the kettle…but it does keep you warm , if you ain’t got a cat,
Be careful filling it – but if you can do yourself a cup of tea, if careful, you can do yourself a hot water bottle. Get a woolly cover for it,
I recall: mum would put some cooking salt in brown paper bag
and put that in a (wood-fired) oven ’til hot. The hot bag would then
be held against a cheek to draw off the pain from a toothache..
They made a lot of nice inventions 50 years ago. But Big Pharma despise them.
Yes indeed. Absolutely common sense…however, make sure it’s a rubber hot water bottle – those cheap, nasty, plastic ones are useless!
Also, wear a vest (undershirt), woollen jumpers (sweaters) and socks. When not moving around, a shawl or blanket over your shoulders and knees is sensible.
If cost is an issue for you, search the charity shops. Warmth and comfort over appearance!
The most important areas to keep warm seem to be the head, neck and your body’s core.
Of course, Brits of ‘a certain age’ who grew up prior to central heating knew all this!
Ewww! You can take your made up God and/or supreme human deity and put it where the sun don’t shine, imo. We’re humans, there is no perfect system and never will be, but damned if I or mine will be ruled by imaginary deities via delusional humans (not that in effect we aren’t now). The reason the Swiss vote turned out that way with the Covid Health pass was because those that currently rule us have almost complete control of our governments and media and have filled the people with ignorance. That doesn’t mean democracy can’t work. There obviously has to be other measures, principles, and systemic processes in place that aren’t corrupted by big money, including decentralization, tiered processes, and committees, etc. The author states, “exemplary theocracies enabled by Hinduism, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, Judaism, Christianity and Islam are a matter of historical record”. Exemplary? What historical record? Current theocracies include Saudi Arabia, Iran, Vatican City, Sudan, Afghanistan, i.e., Sharia Law, kissing the toes of St. Paul and confessing to dudes in black robes, wearing white robes and making the women cover their faces, beheading anyone that spits on the sidewalk, ya right. I think most agree that representative “democracy” as it exists has reached it’s throw away date, but regressing to theocracy doesn’t float my boat.
While I have no objection to you deciding for yourself that there is no supreme being you don’t have the right to decide for others, i.e. “mine”. Also your comment appears to be bigoted against those who choose a different path from yours. You also talk about countries being theocracies rather than states or kingdoms.
I’m not “deciding” for others, I’m saying others can’t decide for me by setting up a theocracy based on something that in my opinion is unproven and simply based on faith. And I’m not bigoted against those that choose to believe in god and religion, whatever makes you happy, just don’t push it on others like it’s a fact. And look up theocracy, I did, and those countries are recognized as theocracies. There’s a reason why there is “supposed” to be a separation of church in state in the U.S. government and it needs to at least stay that way.
Well as you are by now well aware, the Judaism = Anti-Semitism = the State (and what a state it’s in} of Israel THING has turned/is attempting to turn the whole subject simultaneously upside down, inside out, and back to front.
You wrote “but damned if I or mine” from which I surmised you were speaking on behalf of others.
Theocracy is “government by a deity or priesthood” and “a community under such government”. The nearest in the list you give is the Vatican City, which as we all know is run by the Mafia.
I was speaking for myself and family, John. That’s all I can speak for.
Big Al is correct.
There is no ‘supreme being’.
‘Supreme’ implies yet another form of hierarchy, and all hierarchies are man made as systems of control and exploitation.
There is only BEING.
Here and Now.
Everything else is illusion.
‘All heirarchies are man made as systdms of control’. How is this assertion not man made nor part of the illusion you mention?
An observation rather than assertion Nick.
Remind me of one, just one hierarchy in Nature.
The 0ld Trumpism (TOT): Business As Usual.
The New Trumpism (TNT): Business As Usual – On Steroids…
If the new Trumpism is like the old Trumpism, we can expect more prosperity, peace and free speech in the world. Imagine Starmer doing the same, so rejecting woke bigotry and tyranny!
Anarchy, fair dinkum anarchy, is a ‘voluntary non hierarchical society’
No Gods, no Kings or Queens, no Masters.
Kropotkin called it ‘Mutual Aid’.
He observed that it works perfectly in Nature and has done for millennia.
Nature, ‘Red in tooth and claw’?
When did we last see other creatures waging brutal, bloody wars over national boundaries, ideologies or religions?
Would we recognise them if we saw them? Just ask the soldier ants.
National government should butt out of all things except administrative tasks to keep the infrastructure up to scratch, and it should be fully accountable to the people and any money given to it via taxation should be audited by independent crews of auditors for their correct allocation to infrastructure projects. Those annual audits should be made available for public scrutiny. Local governments should then be responsible for basic law and order in their regions.
Health is an individual responsibility; no government has the right to dictate so-called health care measures.
Everyone should be free to endanger or destroy their health, provided the government has warned them. It should then withhold free or subsidised treatment. Insurance is of course a gigantic scam.
“Bottom-up means that decentralised local councils, voted into place by constituents who actually know the representatives involved, vote for regional or national bodies, which in turn vote for national or international bodies.”
That was the idea of the soviets. Bottom up councils. They were nixed as soon as they were tried, by the Soviet bolsheviks. How do you implement something that the power system does not want?
The soviets preceded the Bolsheviks, and it took a long struggle
before the Bolsheviks took them over and subjected them to
Party control… Thereafter they lived on In Name Only…
The problem with decentralized government isn’t the government itself but rather its inability to defend itself against powerful centralized interests. The original communists — the Paris Commune of 1871 — only lasted a couple of months before being whacked by the forces of law ‘n order. A contemporary (British) source suggested that the Franco-Prussian war was shut down by ‘neutrals’ (principally the UK) because the threat to the established order that a successful revolution posed was far more dangerous than any puny internecine dispute among the royal courts of Europe.
Given this background its hardly likely that a Russian communist system could be introduced unchallenged. In fact post-Revolution both the US and UK had military contingents in Russia and there was quite a civil war going on between the ‘whites’ and the ‘reds’, a war that went on until the early 1920s. Utopian government was replaced by a centralized technocracy with well known results.
(Ultimately we have to face the fact that when it comes to communism versus capitalism no expense will be spared to ensure that communism fails. This is what makes China so interesting — they not only might just have figured out how to get away with it but it also might be catching.)
Which communists or neo-communists protect free speech and human rights?
True. In fact, any grassroots self-governing or even self-organizing is sabotaged by capitalists, to terminate any sign of successful, true commoner democracy self determination. It would vision to society the fact that non-authoritarian organization, in self-governing and the workplace, has been and is a successful pathway to freedom from elite tyranny.
China has had this in place for a long time. Imagine: democracy without the circus, drama and bribery of competing parties and elections. And no one to deflect the blame to. US NED did try its best to subvert this.
Really? In In what way is China a democracy?
Fiddling fiddling fiddling, never getting anywhere. So far the 500 mio on the Guidestones seems to be the best bet.
I havent seen anybody come up with a better proposal or a better vision up until today.
Would the eugenicist elite seeking to depopulate the(ir) planet disagree? Reportedly, they prefer not to cull oriental nations so drastically on account of the latter’s subservient cultural norms.
I’m speechless. But I guess someone had to present a regression to monarchy, in whatever form, the rule by a good king/heirarchy. This is the magical thinking of the child wanting a beneficent and just parent to make decisions for them. ‘Cause everything is just too confusing. Not! This is the current problem. A humanity taught not to evolve to the adult. Maybe mass culture civilization created by the opportunistic greed of unmetered capitalism has created a monster that can never be returned to a sustainable ecological status of limited affect on the planet. But thinking some great god-like parent class will ever assume this good parent role, is deep in magical thinking. Authority-to-decide must reside in an adult collective that has realized childlike dependency on a self-ordained monetarily possessive elite, making decisions for them, is suicide/ecocide.
Capitalism is at root an inanimate system of free economic exchange to mutual advantage. Demonising it as some kind of being with demonic agency and intent is magical thinking of the classic Marxist variety.
If it were “inanimate”, as you and many other capitalist defenders would like to believe, it would assume the natural contours of true “free economic exchange”. I think “trade” better describes what you guys desire. Capitalism is the accumulation of excess capital for the purposes of making more excess capital. It has nothing to do with making a living or economic survival like most employed people must endure. That excess capital imbues capitalists with excess authority which enables them to tilt the tables further in their advantage, and to working class disadvantage. They want “freedom” but they only want it to bully, what they perceive as the sucker class. Face it guys. You dream of a free market that can never exist with capitalists who are enabled to horde and deny others a living. Limits to poverty and wealth is the only way forward in a sane respectful world. Trade good. Capitalism bad.
In the Free World©™®, brain-washing from childhood has made it a religion that is defended reflexively.
The issue with the current so-called capitalist system is that the value of labour (work) is incorrect. Certain professions that produce nothing ie shuffling paper are valued more highly than productive skills or vital services within society.
If the earnings of different skillsets were revalued to represent the most important and useful having a greater value than those that are service based and are about ‘making’ money, but in reality are zero sum gain productivity within the economy, then the system would be fairer.
Imagine a society that went back to basics, which skills would be required to survive? Those that cultivate, build, make, repair and have rare almost forgotten skills would be the most useful people. Plus, those who do not shy away from hard graft, be they highly skilled or unskilled.
In the current system the average person should have the right to work hard, and earn more money (paper currency) if they wish. Hard work and long hours means earning what we call money as a store of labour, that is the capital. That capital can then be invested in productive enterprises, spent or saved for a rainy day.
On the other side, those who wish to be lazy or live off others should not be allowed to bring everyone else down to their level.
Much of the ideology of the socialist/communist mindset is based on the lowest common denominator, and is about ‘equality’ by lowering expectations and living standards for the masses and not about improving living standards and aspirations for everyone.
It is no wonder the controllers seeded this ideology through educational indoctrination and the politics of envy. They can then bring about their dystopian vision of poverty and ‘equality’ for the masses while they get to lord over the plebs, even more so than they do already, with their neo-feudalistic dream of the future.
“It is no wonder the controllers seeded this ideology through educational indoctrination and the politics of envy.”
The controllers seeded socialism and communism? Why then do they destroy any legitimate attempt at either, or grassroot democracy in workplace or governing, which is required for either to exist?
The ideology they’ve planted in US society is to oppose true democracy as mob rule and socialism as pie in the sky Utopias. These two ideologies protect them from what is their true enemy. A 99% which is a self governing Humanity regulating poverty and wealth to beneficial-to-all reasonable limits. For instance short term housing and income safety nets so there are no homeless. Or limiting the income of people like Musk whos’ pay for one year at his part time job, Tesla is $56B and just the tip of the iceberg of untaxed largess. No one person needs more than a million dollars to live on each year.
There are two points you’ve made: Failure of humanity at large to grow up, and the myth of scarcity.
I agree with the former but not with the latter. There may not be enough to go around for the likes of the greedy banksters and billionaires but there would be plenty to go around to afford every human being a comfortable life without destroying our environment. Earth is a place of abundance and regeneration.
The evil is not capitalism; it is crony capitalism, aided by its minions (the state; the fiat money system in the hands of private banksters; the media; the police and the military).
There is scarcity, but it is a false scarcity. It is part of the capitalist operating system that they create to benefit capitalism and victimize the customers who make it possible for them to profit. Capitalism has never been of benefit to Humanity as a whole. Adam Smith wanted it to be so, but envisioned an ideal capitalism under natural limits of Nature. Modern capitalists have lobbied superiority over any regulatory limits and use technology to skirt anything they can.
” … science must return to its common humanitarian foundation, concerned only with establishing truth, and actively hostile to any political or financial influence that would restrict or thwart that aim.”
Right on, Bro!