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The Skripal event and the Douma “gas attack” – two acts in the same drama?

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The illegal air strikes on Syria by the coalition of the guilty (US, France, UK) have happened, to no one’s great surprise. As such things go all current indications are that they were more token than anything else. The Russians are saying around 100 missiles were fired at an unclear number of targets, of which around 70% were intercepted. Syrian General Staff are reporting 3 injuries and no deaths. Mattis was at pains to say this was a one-off, though adding the reckless caveat that any further evidence of chemical weapons usage by Assad might change that (thus giving every lunatic or CIA/neocon-controlled cell in Syria a pure gold motive for a false fag).

Compared to how bad this might have been, this is a fairly harmless result for the present.

We’ve resisted the temptation to do any kind of analysis of things so far, preferring to let them play out and to document developments and opinions. But maybe this is a good time to offer a tentative overview of what seems to have been going on in the past weeks.

1)the Douma “gas attack” was likely faked

The only evidence we have for any “gas attack” in Douma on April 7 is the video released on April 7-8, showing piles of corpses, mostly children, some with foam around their mouths. When, were or how the video was made is not verifiable. Who killed the children shown or how they died is not verifiable.

Additionally we have images of an alleged “gas canister”, again without any sourcing or verification, and which have been widely suggested to be implausible. And there is Bellingcat (Eliot Higgins), contributing his usual brand of “comparisons” of images and Google maps, adding nothing that could be described even loosely as verification of the salient claims.

In opposition to this the Russians are claiming the event was staged. They allege their armed forces entered Douma shortly after the alleged attack and claim to have found no evidence of chemical weapons usage, no witnesses and no victims.
They have also released a video statements by two young men claiming to be doctors at the hospital.

They describe people running into the hospital screaming that there had been a chemical attack, inciting panic among the people there, and “unqualified” people administering to children, giving them “asthma inhalers.” However, he says, there were no victims of such a chemical treated there, only victims of smoke inhalation from recent shelling and subsequent fires.

There is also the notable reluctance by US Defense Secretary, James Mattis to fully endorse the reality of this narrative. Even on April 12, just hours before the air strikes were to be implemented, he was still publicly saying he had seen no evidence to show the gas attacks happened or who may have been responsible.

Given his senior position on the Trump administration, and his previously gungho attitude to military adventurism, this is significant.

Of greatest potential significance is the claim by the Russian foreign ministry that they have evidence the UK government was directly involved in staging the fake attack or encouraging a false flag. So far they haven’t released this data, so we can’t comment further at this time. This might also tie in with vague rumours of British SAS troops being captured in Douma that briefly surfaced a week or so ago.

2) primarily UK initiative?

The neocon faction in the US is usually (and reasonably) regarded as the motivator behind much of the western aggression in the Middle East. Since at least 2001 and the launch of the “War on Terror” the US has led the way in finding or creating facile excuses to fight oil wars and hegemonic wars and proxy wars in the region. But this time the dynamics look a little different. This time it really looks as if the UK has been setting the pace of the “response”.
The fact (as stated above) that Mattis was apparently telegraphing his own private doubts a)about the verifiability of the attacks, and b)about the dangers of a military response suggests he was a far from enthusiastic partaker in this adventure. Trump’s attitude is harder to gauge. His tweets veered wildly between unhinged threats and apparent efforts at conciliation. But he must have known he would lose (and seemingly has lost) a great part of his natural voter base (who elected him on a no-more-war mandate) by an act of open aggression that threatened confrontation with Russia on the flimsiest of pretexts.
Granted the US has been looking for excuses to intervene ever more overtly in Syria since 2013, and in that sense this Douma “initiative” is a continuation of their longterm policy. It’s also true Russia was warning just such a false flag would be attempted in early March. But in the intervening month the situation on the ground has changed so radically that such an attempt no longer made any sense.
A false flag in early March, while pockets of the US proxy army were still holding ground in Ghouta would have enabled a possible offensive in their support which would prevent Ghouta falling entirely into government hands and thereby also maintain the pressure on Damascus. A false flag in early April is all but useless because the US proxy army in the region was completely vanquished and nothing would be gained by an offensive in that place at that time.
You can see why Mattis and others in the administration might be reluctant to take part in the false flag/punitive air strike narrative if they saw nothing currently to be gained to repay the risk. They may have preferred to wait for developments and plan for a more productive way of playing the R2P card in the future.
The US media has been similarly, and uncharacteristically divided and apparently unsure. Tucker Carlson railed against the stupidity of attacking Syria. Commentators on MSNBC were also expressing intense scepticism of the US intent and fear about possible escalation.
The UK govt and media on the other hand has been much more homogeneous in advocating for action. No doubts of the type expressed by Mattis have been heard from the lips of an UK government minister. Even May, a cowardly PM, has been (under how much pressure?) voicing sterling certitude in public that action HAD to be taken.
Couple this with the – as yet unverified – claims by Russia of direct UK involvement in arranging the Douma “attack”, and the claims by Syria that the perps are in their custody, and a tentative storyline emerges. It’s possible this time there were other considerations in the mix beside the usual need to “be seen to do something” and Trump’s perpetual requirement to appease the liberal Russiagaters and lunatic warmongers at home. Maybe this time it was also about helping the UK out of a sticky problem.

The Skripal consideration

Probably the only thing we can all broadly agree on about the Skripal narrative is that it manifestly did not go according to plan. However it was intended to play out, it wasn’t this way. Since some time in mid to late March it’s been clear the entire thing has become little more than an exercise in damage-limitation, leak-plugging and general containment.
The official story is a hot mess of proven falsehoods, contradictions, implausible conspiracy theories, more falsehoods and inexplicable silences were cricket chirps tell us all we need to know.
The UK government has lied and evaded on every key aspect.
1) It lied again and again about the information Porton Down had given it
2) Its lawyers all but lied to Mr Justice Robinson about whether or not the Skripals had relatives in Russia in an unscrupulous attempt to maintain total control of them, or at least of the narrative.
3) It is not publishing the OPCW report on the chemical analyses, and the summary of that report reads like an exercise in allusion and weasel-wording. Even the name of the “toxic substance” found in the Skripals’ blood is omitted, and the only thing tying it to the UK government’s public claims of “novichok” is association by inference and proximity. Indeed if current claims by Russian FM Lavrov turn out to be true, a “novichok” (whatever that precisely means in this case) may not have been the only substance found in those samples, and a compound called “BZ”, a non-lethal agent developed in Europe and America, has been discovered and suppressed in the OPCW report (more about that later).
None of the alleged victims of this alleged attack has been seen in public even in passing since the event. There is no film or photographs of DS Bailey leaving the hospital, no film or photographs of his wife or family members doing the same. No interviews with Bailey, no interviews with his wife, family, distant relatives, work colleagues.
The Skripals themselves were announced to be alive and out of danger mere days after claims they were all but certain to die. Yulia, soon thereafter, apparently called her cousin Viktoria only to subsequently announce, indirectly through the helpful agency of the Metropolitan Police, that she didn’t want to talk to her cousin – or anyone else – at all. She is now allegedly discharged from hospital and has “specially trained officers…helping to take care of” her in an undisclosed location. A form or words so creepily sinister it’s hard to imagine how they were ever permitted the light of day.
Very little of this bizarre, self-defeating, embarrassing, hysterical story makes any sense other than as a random narrative, snaking wildly in response to events the narrative-makers can’t completely control.
Why? What went wrong? Why has the UK government got itself into this mess? And how much did the Douma “gas attack” and subsequent drive for a concerted western “response” have to do with trying to fix that?

is this what happened?

If a false flag chemical attack had taken place in Syria at the time Russia predicted, just a week or two after the Skripal poisoning, a lot of the attention that’s been paid to the Skripals over the last month would likely have been diverted. Many of the questions being asked by Russia and in the alt media may never have been asked as the focus of the world turned to a possible superpower stand-off in the Middle East.
So, could it be the Skripal event was never intended to last so long in the public eye? Could it be that it was indeed a false flag, or a fake event, as many have alleged, planned as a sketchy prelude to, or warm up act for a bigger chemical attack in Syria, scheduled for a week or so later in mid-March – just around the time Russia was warning of such a possibility?
Could it be this planned event was unexpectedly canceled by the leading players in the drama (the US) when the Russians called them out and the rapid and unexpected fall of Ghouta meant any such intervention became pointless at least for the moment?
Did this cancelation leave the UK swinging in the wind, with a fantastical story that was never intended to withstand close scrutiny, and no second act for distraction?
So, did they push on with the now virtually useless “chemical attack”, botch it (again), leaving a clear evidence trail leading back to them? Did they then further insist on an allied “response” to their botched false flag in order to provide yet more distraction and hopefully destroy some of that evidence?
This would explain why the UK may have been pushing for the false flag to happen (as claimed by Russia) even after it could no longer serve much useful purpose on the ground, and why the Douma “attack” seems to have been so sketchily done by a gang on the run. The UK needed the second part to happen in order to distract from the first.
It would explain why the US has been less than enthused by the idea of reprisals. Because while killing Syrians to further geo-strategic interests is not a problem, killing Syrians (and risking escalation with Russia) in order to rescue an embarrassed UK government is less appealing.
And it would explain why the “reprisals” when they came were so half-hearted
If this is true, Theresa May and her cabinet are currently way out on a limb even by cynical UK standards. Not only have they lied about the Skripal event, but in order to cover up that lie they have promoted a false flag in Syria, and “responded” to it by a flagrant breach of international and domestic law. Worst of all, if the Russians aren’t bluffing, they have some evidence to prove some of the most egregious parts of this.
This is very bad.
But even if some or all of our speculation proves false,and even if the Russian claims of UK collusion with terrorist in Syria prove unfounded, May is still guilty of multiple lies and has still waged war without parliamentary approval.
This is a major issue. She and her government should resign. But it’s unlikely that will happen. So what next? There is a sense this is a watershed for many of the parties involved and for the citizens of the countries drawn into this.
Will the usual suspects try to avoid paying for their crimes and misadventures by more rhetoric, more false flags, more “reprisals”? Or will this signal some other change in direction?
We’ll all know soon enough.


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Old Pepper
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Old Pepper

The situation today is very similar to that which was before the second world war. Then the USA and Britain strongly pushed the United Europe to war against the USSR. Yes, it was not Germany, but Europe, United by the monster Hitler .
Before the second world war the British press constantly poured dirt on the USSR, preparing public opinion to what with Russians need to end. At the same time, England conspired with Germany (Munich), contributing to the conquest of Hitler and its strengthening in order to incite him to Russia. All this ended in a great slaughter and destruction in Europe. By the way, there are many documents on the financing of Hitler before the war by the United States.
The same Britons, but together with the United States are trying to do now. They began with a careful stuffing of the media in the first trial balloons about “total Russian doping”, then hyped this issue to exclusion of Russia from the Olympics at the ABSOLUTE LACK of EVIDENCE. On the prepared ground Russophobia also without any evidence went fakes about Russian interference in the presidential election of the United States (for a long time American experts pointed out that the server of the democratic party was not hacked, and there was a download of information to an external storage device). Next-recent events-clumsy and brazen Anglo-American chemical provocations in Salisbury and the Duma. The tension is growing, but the initiators of provocations do not stop and continue the insane pressure.
Please note that before launching an information attack on Russia, the United Kingdom hastened to leave the European Union. The US and Britain once again, as in the 40-ies of the 20th century want to make in Europe with the slaughter complete destruction of potential competitors. Judging by their actions they hope as in the 20th century to step aside and sit out of the sea. And what should we, the Europeans, who are in this situation between the hammer and the anvil?

Paul
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Paul

Sushi’s latest technical analysis of the Skripal affair, updated for BZ news, is now available at the Saker:
http://thesaker.is/a-curious-incident-part-x/?inmoderation
Very much worth studying.

rogerglewis
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https://www.scribd.com/document/376483861/Akande-Opinion-UK-Government-s-Legal-Position-on-Syria-Strike-April-2018#download&from_embed
Link to legal opinion given to the Labour Party on the legality of FUKUS strikes on Scribd.

Brup
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Brup

This is a Shame. White Helmets are coordinated by MI5 and MI6 and create False Flags.
Trump, May and Macron are puppets of The Cabal.

MichaelK
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MichaelK

May herself has made a direct link between Salisbury and Syria, where, she claims chemical weapons were used against innocent civilians and the Russians enabled both attacks.
As the ‘rebels’ have been comprehensively thrashed in Syria, what happens now? What was the point of attacking Syria like this? To punish Assad and Russia? But Assad’s a ‘monster’ and Russia is ruled by ‘Hitler’, is the argument that such men listen to reason or care about being ‘slapped’ by the US world sheriff? What happens when Assad attacks innocent men, women and children again? Apparently we attack again and again. But as our proxy Islamic army has lost the war, what’s the point? We can’t bomb Syria into submission or bomb the Syrian Arab Army to pieces.
This Syria thing seems like part of a wider process, a front in a far larger conflict with Russia, where they are increasingly demonized and outlawed for almost everything, including sport. The cycle of provocations isn’t over. Are we going to see another one closer to the World Cup?

Old Pepper
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Old Pepper

Highly likely US&UK will not stop at only two provocations, you are right

Zara Ali
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We sure will see more provocations, the cycle is going to continue until it in fact escalates into war in the Middle East… the battle for resources aside, what sits at the core of the saga in the Middle East is the establishment of Greater Israel… the implementation of the Yinon Plan. So yeah… we will not see this coming to an end anytime soon I guess… maybe just a temporary respite of some form…

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

Of course we will see further false-flags and provocations before the FIFA World Cup is cancelled. NOTHING seems to me more certain. The forces assailing Russia, the Zionists led by Bibi, insanely furious that the Oded Yinon Plan to vivisect Syria has been thwarted, the Ukronazis intent on murdering as many ‘Moskali’ as possible, just like the good old days of WW2, the blood-sucking parasites intent on repeating the 90s and looting Russia again, the Imperial storm-troopers intent on protecting the USA’s global ‘Full Spectrum Dominance’ over humanity by destroying the last recalcitrants, Iran, Russia and China, are all Evil, insane, and literally diabolical. One feature they all share is rage and hatred, that cannot be slaked. They were always the force that would drive humanity to self-destruction, in their psychopathic greed, aggression and hatred of others, and here we are. Putin has no hope of repelling them because they are driven by literally Satanic forces. ‘Hell is empty-the devils are all here’.

Who D. Who
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Who D. Who

Mulga! We’ve been missing you at TruthDig! Were you banned or something? We need you back!

tecumseh remembers
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tecumseh remembers

MichaelK asks: “What was the point of attacking Syria like this? ” – it is an interesting question, but is it really all about regime change or wealth in minerals…..not for me, I would only need look at what have we seen before, and now in Iraq and Libya and Syria – the extinction or displacement of peoples/tribes….and decimation of its infrastructure….those untamed obstacles that stand in the way of that noisy lie called democracy and the spreading of its hate filled and power hungry agenda of control – at any cost….and bring them in line – to produce consume and follow.

Thomas Peterson
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Thomas Peterson

Oh yes. For one thing I bet the JIT announces some MH17 ‘suspects’ and starts asking for extradition just prior to the World Cup.

Ivan
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Ivan

While I am quite sure Russia did not try to poison Skripals with “Novichok”, and that the allegations that Assad used chemical weapons in Douma are based on fabricated evidence, the Russian response was lacking in some respects.
First, instead of immediately linking Skripal’s case and the planned false attack in Syria, Russia started to speak of the football world cup as the main target. Now even I made the connection between the “first chemical attack on european soil since WWI” and “Macron’s” warnings that using chemical weapons in Syria by Assad is a red line. Especially after Gerasimov said there is an evidence such an attack was being prepared. But only lately there had been Russian voices which linked the two items and were sufficiently loud.
Second, Russia insists that it never produced what US called Novichok, but then doesn’t attack the credibility of Mirzayanov who sustains that it was (or so I understand). Either you sustain that he lies or, if he does not and it hurts Russia’s position, you refuse to comment on what he sustains. One thing you cannot do is to suggest that two contradictory statements are both true.
And there was time to get prepared to talk on Mirzayanov issue, it did not come out yesterday.

Sergei
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Sergei

Actually, Russian journalists and state representatives did question Mirzayanov’s credibility, multiple times. They have stressed that Mirzayanov was not a research chemist at GosNIIOKhT; he was the head of the counter-intelligence department. In fact, some Russian sources claim that the very term “Novichok” was a deliberate disinfo planted by higher-ups to find out who was leaking information to the West; turned out, it was Mirzayanov, whereupon he was fired from GosNIIOKhT. The true name of the program was “Foliant”.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

That Mirzayanov is the ‘President’ of some neo-conservative pet ‘Republic of Tatarstan in Exile’ project, to foment social strife and secession in Russia’s Tatarstan Republic tells you he is a US intelligence ‘asset’. ‘Nuff said, really. I can’t understand why Luke Harding, that monument to personal integrity and ‘journalistic ethics’ hasn’t mentioned it.

Old pepper
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Old pepper

A single chain of provocations, aimed at portraying Russia as a terrible chemical monster from the depths (copyright for Nikki Haley) except for fakes about chemical attacks on Skripals and in the Syrian Duma, includes a fabricated under the leadership of special services and WADA-performed Pro-gangster show called “Russian doping”.
In conditions of total control over the masses of media is a very pragmatic project based on fake drive in the consciousness of the layman idea of Russia as a country-exile.
Did it in 90-e years against Yugoslavia, the preparation of an attack on this country.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the red clown, the old oath and the Rothschild Fagot arrange the following chemical provocation in Donbass.

AntonyI
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AntonyI

This drama is perpetuated by Western (mostly US) Deep State. President Obama never got to fulfil his foreign policy promises (close Gitmo); today president Trump is overwhelmed by US Deep State (in combo with Nethanyahoo’s club): FLASHBACK: Here’s A List Of The Times Trump Warned Against Getting Involved In Syria http://dailycaller.com/2018/04/13/trump-list-not-involve-in-syria/

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

Obama NEVER intended honouring the lies he uttered in order to fool the patsies into voting for him. Never in a million years.

Francis Lee
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Francis Lee

The bald fact is that the AZ-Empire is at war with Russia and Russia’s allies. The latest incident was a probing attack to test Russia’s/Syria’s resolve and defences. We can say with some confidence that there will be more. After all it is relatively easy to stage a false flag attack. Everyone – including the Americans – know that the whole Douma gas attack was concocted, but hey, so was the sinking of the Lusitania, The Gulf of Tonkin incident, the Iraq WMDs and this latest incident. The whole thing follows a standard procedure. A child could see through the methodology, but the child-like ingenue of the masses unfortunately lends itself to this cheap propaganda.
It would appear that the Takfiri’s have got themselves an airforce, just as they did in Libya. So where will the next incident occur, and will there be an escalation. Anyone’s guess really. Quite possibly in Ukraine. Or something to wreck the Football (Soccer) World Cup about the be staged in Russia.
NATO has a collective GDP almost 20 times that of Russia, and manpower advantage of 4 to 1 and a massive US nuclear arsenal. Sounds impressive but bear in mind the US military is massively overstretched, dispersed on multiple fronts, and the quality and resolve of the Europeans is decidedly problematic. Germany certainly doesn’t want a fight, and Macron is all talk. Moreover, what exactly do Portugal, Montenegro and now Turkey bringing to NATO. As for Scandinavia, forget it. Oh, the Baltics, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, well they have a combined population which is less than London. The only ‘loyal’ elements are likely to be Poland and the UK. Moreover, Russia has powerful allies and a nuclear capacity to outgun the US.
So it’s game on.

Admin
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It wasn’t even a probing attack. You don’t get on the phone with Russia and spend hours negotiating the safest targets, launch just 100 missiles that don’t even engage the Russia air defenses and strike only empty or sparsely occupied buildings if you’re doing a probing attack. That’s what you do when you’re doing a symbolic attack for show.
Not to say they won’t do anything more at a later date when they see some real advantage, but this was not much more than theatre., to save face, stop Trump being called a colluder for a while and – as we suggest- try to get May off the hook .

Kitty S Jones
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The comments made in pubic from Trump and Putin don’t match the image of a “backdoor safeline” that Trump said exists, where they discuss the strike in advance, permitting Russia to ensure no Russian personel, assets and resources are hit. It feels like pantomime on one level. But I do think that the whipping up of Russiaphobia is real and intentional – this is really a smouldering conflict between the US and western allies and Russia/China/Iran.

Ross Hendry
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Absolutely. So it was a piece of theatre, a pretend attack on Syria in response to a chemical attack false flagged to Syria.
I think I’m going to assume everything in the political sphere is theatre from now on, unless there is convincing evidence to suggest otherwise.
Beam me up Scotty.
https://ibb.co/cTH5Wn

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

The Gadarenes in the fakestream media sty are already predicting new ‘gas attacks’ in Idlib etc, where the gallant ‘rebel’ takfiri child-crucifiers that the Western presstitute vermin so admire, are holed up. I just had a wicked idea-could it be possible to convince some takfiri butchers that the Western fakestream media sold them out. Then, when foreign killers return home to the West, they might be diverted from attacking innocents in the streets, concerts and restaurants, and focus on other targets instead.

Kaiama
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Kaiama

+1

vexarb
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Chemical facts show how The Joker has become more bumbling as he becomes more homicidal with age: Anonymous BTL Saker on April 15, 2018 · at 2:26 am UTC
There is a huge difference between chemical agents and chemical weapons. It is almost impossible to create mass killing using chemical agents in the open. Regarding Chlorine German used it once at WW1 but they only had some success using simultaneously hundred of 80CF cylinders loaded with chlorine, in a favorable wind. The cylinder displayed as evidence in Duma has a capacity of a couple of gallons, and cannot kill anybody unless they are locked up in a small container filled with chlorine gas from this cylinder. For Chlorine Concentrations of about 400 ppm and beyond are generally fatal over 30 minutes, and at 1,000 ppm and above, fatality ensues within only a few minutes.1000 ppm means 1 liter chlorine gas per one cubic meter volume of air. So it is almost impossible to kill people using gallon cylinders of chlorine in the open. Using chemical weapon of WW2 era, tabun, soman, sarin it is a different story. A lethal dose of sarin is about 0.5 milligrams; it is approximately 500 times more deadly than cyanide.
If Duma had been attacked with tabun, soman, sarin the fatalities would have been by hundreds. We are not talking for VX, which is considered to be much more toxic by entry through the skin and somewhat more toxic by inhalation. It is possible that any visible VX liquid contact on the skin, unless washed off immediately, would be lethal.

AntonyI
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AntonyI

Imagine, Adolf Hitler himself was temporarily blinded during a WWI mustard gas attack (foo or friend?) near Ypres in 1918, which put him off chemical weapon usage on the battle field during WW II. On imprisoned civilian Jews etc. he had no scruples.

King Kong
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King Kong

Whether the Skripal incident was connected to the Syrian CW incident remains yet to be proved.
Of the Skripal incident:
Since the incident, there has been no verified communication with anyone involved. Not the Skripals, not the policeman, not Dr. Davies, not any of the first responders, none of the clean up crew, firefighters, no one at all. No one at all. Complete blackout of all and any information from the involved.
If this is not indication of Government involvement and heavy handed clampdown, I am not me and this is not 2018, and T.May is not PM. When a government resorts to this type of clampdown, it is usually coined “Damage control”. “Damage control” is an situation a Government reverts to, when Governments risks falling or could be damaged irreparably.
And yes, they have the Legalese to do that, including ruining your life and handing out 30 year sentences all under some “Secrets Act”.
The Syrian CW incidents so far have all been marred by very questionable occurrences. Either side in the Syrian war is using social media for propaganda purposes, the rebel side most heavily. What I find suspicious though is that the purported victims almost always are children. Never young women and never the “Rebels” themselves; meaning that the narrative I am supposed to accept is that the Government forces in the midst of a raging battle finds time to launch a single CW shell or two, at complete different target than minutes before, just to terror bomb some hapless civilians into submission ? Risking the wrath of the world? It makes no sense at all.

Thomas Peterson
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Thomas Peterson

My thinking is that the White Helmets have 2 kinds of staged ‘chemical incident’.
The run of the mill one with some chlorine canisters and people coughing in hospital which is mostly ignored by Western media.
And the ‘spectacular’, where they murder some child hostages and present the bodies on video. Spectaculars often result in military action.

lucdevincke
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lucdevincke

No need to kill children. You bring them under a kind of narcose and they are ready to play in a spectaculair propaganda movie. You can drag their bodies around, put needles into their arms, smear make-up, blood and dust on their faces, put some soap air bubbles into their mouths, give them some scratches etc. Once awaken again they don’t even remember they were part of a movie, so they can’t even testify because they were uncounscious !

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

Let’s face it-murderous, psychopathic, thugs who think that crucifying children is a hoot, and that gibbering ‘Allahu Akbhar’ over and over again is intellectual discourse, are not likely to fake a mass atrocity convincingly. But when the audience is the assembled vermin imbeciles of the Western fakestream media, who know that even a scintilla of deviation from Imperial Groupthink would end their careers, then you can get away with anything.

AntonyI
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AntonyI

The CIA’s hypocritical gas usage drama is going on and on, even according to their own files: http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/26/exclusive-cia-files-prove-america-helped-saddam-as-he-gassed-iran/

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

That has been long known, as were US efforts to blame Iran for Halabja. Saddam was lynched quickly before any trial over Halabja may have embarrassed his erstwhile US friends.

OMG
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OMG

There have been a number of theories (conspiratorial or not) about the Shripal affair, the subsequent false-flag gassing in Douma, and Trump’s theatrical response.
I would like to add another – deeper – motive for consideration: it was to “get” Trump. Since his response, he appears to have lost much of his right-wing support (see for example Alex Jones and https://russia-insider.com/en/trump-lied-american-people-last-night-23-times-7-minutes-destroying-his-presidency/ri23133 ). This could have been, and likely was, anticipated.
Anticipated too, especially, by “ex” MI6 officer, Christopher Steele and colleagues who authored the anti-Trump dossier on the ‘Russian connection’ and who was also Shripal’s handler. His mate in Salisbury, still in touch with Shripal, and the convenience of Porton Down nearby would enable the rest, especially since the Swiss have shown that the toxin used was manufactured in the UK.
Whether knowingly or not, ex Home Secretary May continued to fan the flames with the denouement that we now see.

Paul
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Paul

Could also have been to get May and Bojo, since they might be trusted to have sufficient incompetence (and incontinence) to reach out for this anchor, having taken it for a lifeline.

Dave Massingham
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Dave Massingham

Yes, indeed, that crossed my mind some time back! The toffs at the top of the Tory party are shitting themselves over his and her incompetence. Shades of Major’s failings in mid-90s.
If the true story ever gets out, Corbyn’s in No. 10. (Or he’ll be assassinated).

rogerglewis
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Roger Lewis rogerglewis13@gmail.com
6:57 AM (2 hours ago)
to MTF
I think that this will be memory holed when Parliament meets will be interesting how much may gets questioned Trump obviously is compromised Is Jeremy Corbyn? if Corbyn is not compromised then I think we need to be looking out for another Olof Palme incident.

The clamour to get rid of Corbyn before the Chilcott Report was huge, that was the Owen Smith leadership challenge, now there’s this new centre party idea as Corbyn can not be removed they have been bangin on about Anti Semitism but that is I think mainly for electoral local elections and a general election. I do think Corbyn is in Great Danger.
http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2018/04/re-opinion-turning-against-maywait-to.html
https://steemit.com/syria/@tonefreqhz/syria-a-guide-for-the-perplexed-opinion-turning-against-may-wait-to-see-parliaments-reaction-tomorrow
A wider context Syria a guide for the perplexed.

OMG
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OMG

But hard to see why they would want to get rid of May and Bojo since – as you say – they are already demonstrably incompetent and mere pawns in the hands of MI6. Whether May was into the plot or not I cannot say but as Home Secretary for so long she must have been aware of MI6 shenanigans; however – being anti-Trump, I think it likely that she was.
Bojo just seems to be a total clown so I have no idea.
We will soon see if the right no longer supports Trump when the corruption allegations start to fly after his lawyer’s recordings are released.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

BoJo is ‘…an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing’.

Big B
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Big B

OMG: Whether knowingly or not, Jeremy Corbyn continued to fan the flames with the denouement that we now see.
With his complicit confirmation of Russian guilt (re-iterated by Ben Bradshaw as recently as Thursday); and character demonisation of the institutionally homophobic and kleptoccratic Putin “regime”: that we should follow Browder and Navalny’s (both MI6 agents, most likely) advice and sanction. According to Stephen Cohen (who should know better) Corbyn is the lone voice of reason against the new Cold War agenda. Some reason?

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

It’s as if the Evil spirit of Tony Blair has taken Corbyn over. Voodoo? Talmudist black magic? Psychic manipulation?

vexarb
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Re BZ (British Zyklon?) and Skripal’s activity as middleman for chemical weapons between UK and Ukrainian regimes, Penny BTL SyrPer remembers that BZ was also found in the Syrian False Flags, and discounted at that time:
Penny
It’s seems that BZ appeared in two ‘chemical attacks’ in Syria. One in Ghouta- One in Homs. If as Lavrov is saying this chemical weapon was employed against the Skripals- and is only in the hands of US/UK- then it’s two appearances in Syria connect it to the US/UK backed ‘rebels’. The state department under Victoria Nuland admitted that Syria did NOT have BZ– which was why they discounted the information that pointed to BZ intoxication
It didn’t fit the narrative- I’ve added a bunch more information to the original post here
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vexarb
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Whoops! A torrent of comment on yesterday’s game BTL Syrper. I have selected commentators from the real world first, then for comic relief switched to poor old Alex trapped in North Carolina with Fox News, who means well but still doesn’t know who to believe “on both sides”; the only one to get negative votes:
Bundy☭
Staged in the sense that they were not offered many targets without retribution. UK jets shot from outside Cyprus air space. So at extreme range and none of them hit. No missile entered Russian zones. To prevent Syria from striking US bases inside Syria no military targets could be hit.
So more like a controlled bombing to not escalate it into a wide scale war since some missiles were fired from Tanif. Syrian firing tochka missiles into US bases would have ended up with hundreds of dead.
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Ziad Fadel
It had to be for this operation to resonate so loudly in the Western Press while accomplishing absolutely nothing. Hilarious. Ziad
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anti_republocrat
Yes. I believe it was a controlled test with US and RF militaries comparing capabilities, rather like a couple of young men comparing the lengths of their tools. Whoever won this test will eventually gain dominance in W. Asia and more. Whoever lost sees that their weapons are not up to snuff and will be on the defensive for at least a decade, perhaps more if it leads to economic and/or imperial collapse. We will know for sure within the year, but my bet is RF won and this is a severe reality check for the Pentagon.
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Kelsey
How can a false flag attack put on by both the U.S. and Russia be a severe reality check? The joke is on us.
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jo6pac
This was very interesting in the fact that Russian Navy kept the FUKZUSA Navy backed up.
Thanks Ziad and other real commenters.
Canthama
The big loser will be the key one that hatched the plan to destroy Syria to work, that is Israhell. Today, Iran and Hizballah are way stronger than 7 years ago, and Syria, though severely impacted by the war of aggression, has a much more modern army, and soon to have many state of the art weapons. For Israhell it now is hell, and honestly they deserved a much worse result after what they planned against Syria. This is ain’t over yet, the US and Turk forces will have to be kicked out of Syria and then comes Golan Heights, time to get it back.
Israhell is the big loser, UK, US, France and other countries are only going down as their power drains with defeat after defeat, rather pathetic.
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Wulf
A dangerous game indeed. The gullible public of the West have once again seen their governments attack on the pretext of a chemical weapons attack. The MSM triumphulism only validates their lies and is not good for the future. OPCW must inspect the terrorists claims and prove this was a lie.
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Alex in North Carolina
Here in North Carolina we understand from Fox News that the attack was a huge success. In the little town next to us the US flags are flying this afternoon on Main St. and tomorrow in the Baptist church prayers will be offered for the sons of two town’s folk who are serving in the Fifth Fleet out of Norfolk NC.
Obviously I do not know what the rockets hit or if there was gas there or not. and it probably will be twenty years before the truth of it is learned. I am tired of lies and deception by all sides to this eight year ongoing disaster.
Greg Gutfeld a Fox commentator said the other night that If you see John Bolton’s mustache enter the room you know that John cannot be far behind. .If you non Americans can pick up Fox news, he is very funny and perceptive…
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vexarb
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Oops! the joke’s on me. Apologies, Alex. MD replies BTL Syrper:
Muslim Dude
I think this ‘Alex from North Carolina’ is a parody account: supposedly of some conservative American ‘redneck’ (to use a pejorative term), I suspect the purpose of that persona is to wittily illustrate the naivete of ‘simple folk’ from a – no offence – backwater state like North Carolina i.e. a lot of ‘redneck America’.
It’s also satire on how the US people have been lied to and deceived by a plutocracy and their media and fed a diet of lies about the ostensibly ethical motives of US foreign policy, lightened by comedy presenters.
‘Alex from North Carolina’ probably won’t say that directly as it would spoil the joke but I’m sure he is hoping that the sharper and more discerning members of Syrper realise this and enjoy the joke.
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DomesticExtremist
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Well I don’t believe in coincidences and do think the Skripal affair was a pitch rolling exercise to soften us up for the Douma false flag and ease the use of humanitarian bombing. Of course May was never going to risk taking it to Parliament, not after the humiliation visited on Cameron and the fact that the effect of the emotional outrage seems to diminish in duration each time it is invoked.
It was rumoured that the French had some hand in the identification of “novichok” and also swung the decision on Douma when Macron said “we ave preuf” – it turns out the declassified ‘proof’ was nothing more than stuff they saw on the interwebs padded out with lots of “they look the sort” circumstantials.
From the day Trump issued his “get ready Russia” tweet my working hypothesis is that he knows the anglo-french are making stuff up and trying to bounce the US, and Trump in particular, into restarting the Syria mess. His sudden enthusiasm is, IMO, designed to run May and Macron over the cliff edge to have them pull back and tell the truth. That didn’t happen (May looked utterly terrified when announcing the strikes), but the OPCW may well come back with a “no dice” result and then things could get very, very interesting for anglo-french/US relations.

intergenerationaltrauma
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So what’s the next “phase” for the West after we pass through th current – “post-reality”- period?
I fear we and the planet may all be cinders if we don’t stop these heavily armed amoral sociopathic idiots parading and stumbling about the halls of Western governments like vaudeville clowns in some slapstick comedy. One would like to be able to laugh at the absurdity of it all, but unfortunately there is nothing humorous about our circumstances.

WJ
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WJ

There is a Russian claim on April 13 that operatives from either UK, US, or France were involved in the production of the fake attack. (I am betting these operatives are UK–either SAS or MI6 field agents). (But it is probable there are also US operatives there–likely CIA.)
There have been several to my knowledge unconfirmed reports fromMarch 8 through April 12 that UK, Israeli, and Jordanian[!] operatives embedded with Jaysh al-Islam in Ghouta were captured by the SAA.
https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en/https/diana-mihailova.livejournal.com/1722839.html
https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en/https/diana-mihailova.livejournal.com/1722839.html
There is an older late-March report of a UK led conspiracy to directly attack Damascus in mid-March in the hopes of overturning the Syria government. The attack was to be coordinated with the Skripal poisoning in the UK and would involve a false-flag chemical attack; ostensibly followed by the US/NATO decapitation of Damascus from the air.
That comes from Thierry Meysann here: http://www.voltairenet.org/article200232.html
On February 18 the Syrian campaign against Ghouta began with full intensity. The campaign was presented as a human rights disaster by all Western media outlets. Esp. Guardian.
On March 17 Russia announced its awareness of at least two planned false-flag chemical attacks: one in Eastern Ghouta involved “American instructors [who] have trained several groups of insurgents near al-Tanfa in order to hold provocations with chemical weapons in the south of Syria.”
Putting it all together:
If you compare Thierry Meysann’s theory from mid-March with the April 12 unconfirmed report of captured UK operatives in Ghouta you will note that the big picture is generally consistent although each contains different but possibly complementary details:
Meysann presents the plot as involving the coordination of Skripal’s poisoning with a false flag chemical attack in Ghouta, leading to the US/NATO led bombing of Damascus.
Sputnik presents the plot as involving a “ground assault in Damascus” led by UK, Israeli, and Jordanian operatives supported by massive air support from US/NATO.
One possibility, then, is something like this: the coordinated false-flag chemical attacks of the Skripals in Salisbury and the al-Islam Syrian prisoners in Ghouta was to be immediately followed by another “Syrian” citizen-led mini uprising in Damascus against the Assad regime: This “Syrian” uprising, which would really be led by UK/US/Israel/Jordanian operatives who could pass as Syrians, would aim to infiltrate Damascus from Ghouta and blow a couple things up; meanwhile, the Skripal attack plus the false flag chemical attack plus the false “Syrian” citizen ground-resistance in Damascus would propel the world to call for US/NATO/Israeli decapitation of the “regime”. Assad would be bombed. Damascus destroyed, etc.
This–or something like it–is perhaps what Russia discovered was afoot, and why Russia and the SAA so zealously sought to clear out Ghouta from February 18 onward. Russia was aware that by clearing out Ghouta quickly enough, the full ground attack on Damascus could be thwarted in time; but there was still the possibility that a chemical attack—real or fake—might be staged nonetheless. Hence their announcement on March 17. This effectively told the UK/US that their larger plan had been discovered and was not going to happen. It left the Skripal op from early March hung out to dry. The chemical attack planned for mid to late March, which was to catalyze a coordinated ground attack upon Damascus with heavy aerial bombardment from US/NATO, never happened. And so the staged chemical attack of April 8–just as the battle for Ghouta had concluded—was simply a rushed improvisatory attempt to make the best of a now basically defunct plan.

WJ
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WJ
chris
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chris

I think someone at The Guardian is subtly rattling the bars of the cage, check these quotes out, They’re hilarious – “…we can make quotes up can we? OK I’ll fkn make some up …”

Some supporters of the anti-Assad opposition said they were disappointed that the strikes had been limited. “We had high hopes,” said Hussam, 40, who opposes the regime. “Unfortunately the only thing reverberating among us is disappointment. It wasn’t as intense as they’re making it sound. We have no more faith in the international community. Trump has been saying he will bomb for days now, like he’s warning Bashar ahead of time to be safe. If I am coming to murder someone, will I tell him beforehand? It’s ridiculous, it’s nonsense. They are laughing at us.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/14/syria-missile-raid-may-faces-anger-trump-declares-mission-accomplished

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

It’s amazing just how much the Fraudian, stuffed to the gills with Identity Politics elite ‘feminists’, supports the viciously misogynistic jihadists, takfiris and salafists assailing Syria. I really think that ‘hypocrisy’ nowhere near does it justice.

milosevic
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milosevic

“Feminism” (as opposed to sex-equality), as is by now quite obvious, is a career vehicle for upper-middle-class white women. Regime-change propaganda is a growing industry, full of opportunities for ambitious functionaries of the neoliberal order. Feminism teaches that women can perform that role just as well as, if not better than men.
As for people in the third-world colonies — they’re people in the third-world colonies. What’s that got to do with upwardly-mobile career-women in the UK and US?
Everything is working as intended.

Paul
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Paul

is that the fraudian or the giardian?

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

Having once worked in a creche where there was an outbreak of giardia, I find your allusion fitting indeed. Stinking diarrhoea-the Giardian to the life!

archie1954
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If it is one thing I hate, it is being treated like an ignorant fool by government, any government. That is what is happening here. Lies, lies and more lies and we are supposed to lap it up, no questions asked. I already distrust government from the get go and I can’t see that changing anytime soon.