The War on Death

CJ Hopkins

OK, I’ve got some good news and I’ve got some bad news. The good news is mainly for authoritarians who missed all the fun during the War on Terror. The news is … welcome to the War on Death!

Yes, that’s right, global capitalism (a/k/a “the world”) is now at war with Death … which is great news for authoritarians! No more bothersome critical thinking. The time for questioning our leaders is over. It’s time to shut up and follow orders. We’re in a global state of emergency, folks!

We’re talking lockdowns, soldiers in the streets, abrogation of our constitutional rights, arbitrary arrests, indefinite detentions, round-the-clock media fear-propaganda … the whole totalitarian megillah!

What, you’re probably asking, is the War on Death? Well … for those who remember the War on Terror, the War on Death is just like that, except this time the evil enemy is Death … or, all right, maybe not exactly like that, but there are a number of striking similarities.

For one thing, just like the War on Terror, we didn’t start it. Death attacked us! There we were, peacefully going about our global capitalist business, quelling a worldwide “populist” rebellion orchestrated by Russian-backed Nazis, when Death attacked us with a coronavirus … more or less exactly the way that the terrorists attacked us in 2001.

And, just like after those terrorist attacks, the world has united and forcefully responded. No, we haven’t invaded Iraq again (well, actually, we did bomb them a little), but we have locked down almost the entire planet, virtually shut down the global economy, and are scaring the masses into a state of unprecedented mass hysteria.

Police are patrolling the streets of Europe, checking people’s “permission-to-go-outside” papers.

In the U.K., soldiers are standing by to assist with “protecting possible quarantine zones,” or to “cope with the breakdown of civil society.” Israel is tapping its formerly secret collection of everyone’s mobile phone records to identify people who might be infected, and assorted “others who need to be quarantined.”

Macron (now relieved of his Gilets Jaunes problem!) is ready to “rule by decree” if necessary. California is “prepared to enact martial law.” The U.S. military is “prepared to deploy in support of potential extraordinary missions,” including “quelling civil disturbances.”

The U.S. Department of Justice is asking Congress for the power to detain people indefinitely. The British Parliament is on the brink of passing an emergency “Coronavirus Bill” that will (among other unsettling provisions) grant authorities the power to arrest and indefinitely quarantine anyone they deem a “potentially infectious person” … or, in other words, pretty much anyone they want.

As if that wasn’t dystopian enough, according to a report in Politico:

Counter-terrorism troops have been redeployed across Italy to beef up police forces throughout Italian cities. Patrol cars are now circulating in every major city in Italy with a monotone male voice warning citizens over a loudspeaker not to leave their residences or risk a ticket. ‘GO BACK INTO YOUR HOMES,’ the voice warns.”

But wait, it gets even better than that. In Missouri, prosecutors have charged an idiot who licked some items at Walmart as a “terrorist.” I kid you not, a Coronavirus Terrorist. I could go on, but I think you get the picture (if you need more examples, check this Twitter thread).

The point is, the global capitalist empire (for whatever reasons, real or imagined) has turned on the MINDLESS HYSTERIA machine, and dialed it up as high as it goes. People are in full-blown headless chicken mode. No one (or hardly anyone) is thinking, or listening to dissenting opinions, or paying attention to official statistics, or common sense, or anything else that contradicts the War on Death narrative.

The British tabloids are publishing horror stories about “doctors” standing by and helplessly watching as patients slowly suffocate to death. According to such stories, not only are these “doctors” unable to treat roughly 400 patients with any of the UK’s over 8,000 ventilators, but, apparently, patients whose hearts have stopped (and who are therefore unconscious) are also now capable of “dying in agony” with “terror in their eyes.”

According to The New York Times, the Coronapocalypse has begun in Elmhurst, where the authorities have called in the refrigerator trucks to haul away the mountains of corpses, after 13 people who “had tested positive” died (of something) in the course of one day.

The rest of the corporate media are running moment-by-moment deathometer updates, apocalyptic prognostications of the millions or billions who are possibly going to die, and of course the latest on which celebrities have been infected and are clinging to life, or experiencing mild, cold-like symptoms, or absolutely no symptoms whatsoever.

Greta suspects she might have been infected! Prince Charles! Colton Underwood (whoever that is), Tom Hanks, and even Idris Elba! Just the other night, celebrated playwright Terrence McNally (who was 81, and had a history of lung cancer and COPD) was struck down in the prime of his life!

In short, the authorities have whipped the masses into an orgy of shrieking, white-eyed FEAR of this new, evil, “invisible enemy” that is coming to kill them and their families. Millions of people (now confined in their homes) have taken to the Internet to pump up the hysteria, share totally un-sourced personal accounts of the horrors their therapists’ accountants’ doctors have personally witnessed on the war’s “front lines,” and hunt down any infected persons, or potentially infected persons (or otherwise uncooperative persons) who might have gone outside for some air.

So, that’s the good news for you authoritarians! For the rest of us … yeah, not so good.

Oh, I almost forgot the bad news. The bad news is … well, the bad news is Death. The bad news is, you are going to die. I’m going to die. We are all going to die. All of us. We are going to die. We are going to die of … well, something. Cancer. A heart attack. A stroke. The flu. Diabetes. Alzheimer’s disease. Possibly a coronavirus. Maybe even this coronavirus.

In fact, a lot of us are dying right now, according to the Internet, around a hundred per minute … which, it goes without saying, is unacceptable, and a tragedy, and something we need to take drastic action to prevent at all costs.

We can’t let these Russian dissension sowers, neo-Nazi accelerationists, and coronavirus-sympathizers confuse us. They want to convince us that Death is, yes, scary, and sad, but inevitable, and natural. How utterly heartless and insane is that?!

No, we need to close our minds to that nonsense. People are dying! This is not normal! Death is our enemy! We have to defeat it! We need to hunt down and neutralize Death! Root it out if its hidey hole and hang it like we did with Saddam!

I’m not kidding. There is a war on, people! GloboCap is taking the gloves off again. (You remember what happens when the gloves come off, don’t you?) So get your mind right and get with the program or get ready to face the consequences.

Relax, I’m not referring to all these tanks (2:34 in the NBC video). I’m referring to other consequences. I am not some crazy conspiracy theorist. Plus, Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti has assured us there’s no cause for concern:

“If and when National Guard or military units are deployed to the streets of L.A., trust me, I’ll let you know.”

See? Everything is perfectly fine. No one is preparing for martial law. Those tanks just returned from the Middle East and are “being sent back home to Texas.” This kind of thing happens all the time. It has nothing to do with the global lockdown.

I don’t know about you, but I’m extremely relieved … for a moment there I thought we were in trouble.

CJ Hopkins is an award-winning American playwright, novelist and political satirist based in Berlin. His plays are published by Bloomsbury Publishing and Broadway Play Publishing, Inc. His dystopian novel, Zone 23, is published by Snoggsworthy, Swaine & Cormorant. Volume I of his Consent Factory Essays is published by Consent Factory Publishing, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Amalgamated Content, Inc. He can be reached at cjhopkins.com or consentfactory.org.

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kevin lohmann
kevin lohmann
Apr 19, 2020 5:11 PM

The war on death isn’t being fronted by Global Capitalism. it’s the old people who shut everything down. The just so happen to run Global Capitalism, and our government, our businesses, sports teams, hospitals, Universities, well pretty everything. It’s our old leaderships who have been pushing us into an ever harder battle against the world wide death rate. Yes Death is now the enemy. And in this futile battle to keep death at bay our leaders have informed us, their lives are more important than our freedoms.

there are more 80+ year olds around the world now than any other time in history, and they don’t want to die, and they want you to pay for it. Both CNN and Fox News are run by 80+ year old. And they want us all to stop living so they don’t have to die.

truthBtold
truthBtold
Mar 31, 2020 2:36 AM

Ah, me. My thoughtcrime is still thinking things like “gee, think I’ll head into the office today.” Thankfully I shouldn’t get beaten too badly by the other 3 people social distancing themselves somewhere else in the building. Or by the security guards who apparently didn’t get the memo.

But it’s knowing information like this–and more–and realizing that this is really only the beginning. People are anticipating everything going back to “normal” shortly. It won’t. It’ll get worse. And worse. And worse yet (Revelation 6-19 anyone?). Economic crashiness, tracking vaccines (and that pesky “being unable to buy or sell without the Mark situation), food shortages, universal health (not the good kind), 5G/IoT, and a universal income for all…it’s coming, and all too quickly. This may be one storm where pulling ourselves up by our bootstraps barely manages to keep our feet dry.

PsyBorg
PsyBorg
Mar 28, 2020 9:35 PM

Dr. John Campbell – Good rational info on Corona Virus here –

Twitter

#DrJohnCampbell

@johnincarlisle

Youtube:

https://youtube.com/user/Campbellteaching

2 recent interviews with Dr. Campbell:


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JudyJ
JudyJ
Mar 28, 2020 9:22 PM

Intrigued by a headline on the BBC’s red button news service I looked to see what it said as I wanted some light entertainment. The headline read ” ‘Coronavirus’ crash man who hit nurse’s car dies”. Well, who couldn’t resist looking at that one?

Apparently a bloke in his 70s was seen ‘struggling to breathe’ when he crashed into a nurse’s car as she drove home from a Wigan hospital. She found him slumped over the wheel and called an ambulance. She stayed with him for 5 hours in A&E but he died. The first para of the report says “An elderly driver who was suspected of having coronavirus when he crashed into a nurse’s car has died. ” Doesn’t elucidate who suspected him of having coronavirus or why. Fearmongering at its best. The BBC is clearly trying to emulate the apocalyptic fearmongering in China with bodies of collapsed victims lining the streets.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 28, 2020 2:44 PM

I went for a long walk yesterday. (Didn’t think I’d ever write that on a comment thread). Nice day in the UK. Plenty of sunshine. My route was mostly in the countryside (accessible for the moment), but I walked closer to my city on part of my route. On that part the lanes were quite busy.

People were being extremely polite and keeping to the 2 metres distancing rule. Like drivers we were careful not to cross into the opposing lane. At one point a family with young children approached an elderly woman walking her dog just up ahead of me. The children froze, motionless – their mother had to encourage them to walk on.

A short while later I walked along a canal towpath. It’s about 6ft wide. On one side was the canal and on the other side was a privet (spiky) hedge. I approached a pair of co-habiting couples who were walking together. The woman in the lead froze and turned so that she was in profile to me and facing the hedge. I declined the opportunity for a dip in the canal and strode past, recognising that this was probably not the right time for a mocking sniff under my armpit. The woman at the rear simply stood still as I walked past.

Anyway enough of all this deathist malarkey. Death’s quite a nice chap, actually. I’ve read Terry Pratchett. He’s much maligned. Death, I mean, not Terry Pratchett. Terry Pratchett’s dead.

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 28, 2020 7:29 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

I live in the country myself and so -ironically? – we are already “social distancing” as part of our regular activity. But I was wondering how folks are doing in London with the Tube trains. How on earth are they supposed to maintain the “proper” distances there?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 28, 2020 10:44 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Wearing a mask, as millions do in East Asia every winter, would protect you, a little, and others, more. Simples.

Cassandra2
Cassandra2
Mar 28, 2020 2:06 PM

The human race has become an ‘EASY MARK’ under psychological manipulation delivered by mass media indoctrination drip. It better wake-up soon!

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 28, 2020 2:03 PM

“In the U.K., soldiers are standing by to assist with “protecting possible quarantine zones,” or to “cope with the breakdown of civil society.”

CJ, I humbly offer a minor adjustment:

In the U.K., soldiers are standing by to … “ASSIST with the breakdown of civil society.”

Antonym
Antonym
Mar 28, 2020 1:40 PM

Corona is sneaky because ~half of those infected showed little symptoms for over a week – including no fever. They keep on working (like the Dutch nurses amongst vulnerable patients in hospitals) till they become non infectious due to their own immune response or are caught by a good quality test with a high hit rate.

jay
jay
Mar 28, 2020 2:17 PM
Reply to  Antonym

It is a pity that those who have bought into this cannot just lock themselves away, self isolating so to speak and let us live our lives in peace.

Antonym
Antonym
Mar 28, 2020 2:41 PM
Reply to  jay

Don’t believe me, read here the experience of these Dutch medics in their own words – in English : https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.23.20041913v1.full.pdf

kevin lohmann
kevin lohmann
Apr 19, 2020 5:15 PM
Reply to  Antonym

Let Corona Reign.

Death is not the enemy.

Without Death there can be no life.

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 28, 2020 1:34 PM

Thank you CJ – excellent once again.

So many people are aware of the War on Drugs, and the War on Terror, their real purposes and their abject failure. The War on Death is a great linking term.

The day is on its way, the day is ours !

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 28, 2020 5:41 AM

One of the Guardian presstitutes reported today’s UNSC goings-on. The USA attempted to blame China for the outbreak, and generally acted as the psychopathic bullying thug it is, but the Guardian presstitute spent half of its report spewing hatred at Russia (who else?) for wishing face to face meetings to continue in the UNSC. That, according to a ‘Western diplomatic source’, constituted some grand conspiracy to take over the world, or some such other gibberish. Cerebral CoVid 19, or business-as-usual?

David
David
Mar 28, 2020 8:20 AM

Well, but fact is that virus was boron in China and spread from China. And believe me, Russia is an evil empire, i used to live under the Russian rule. it is only corruption, mafia-state and mobs. US was much better under Obama, it have hope, but Putin’s friend Trump destroyed all the achievements of the US global image.

Grafter
Grafter
Mar 28, 2020 9:17 AM
Reply to  David

“the achievements of the US global image”. …poor David. Must be the virus.

Antonym
Antonym
Mar 28, 2020 1:44 PM
Reply to  Grafter

Well the Chinese kept on eating from these exotic wildlife “wet” markets, like the Vietnamese and some in Central Africa. Frozen deer or moose in the US or Sweden will be much safer.

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 28, 2020 4:41 PM
Reply to  Antonym

They’re getting quite snarky about wet wood here in the UK, too.

Is ‘wet’ still a term of approbation in our public schools ?

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 28, 2020 12:14 PM
Reply to  David

the ruling class must be worried; they’ve despatched their armies of flying disinfo monkeys to disperse potential opposition.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 28, 2020 12:27 PM
Reply to  milosevic

And even bloody Crispy is back, and noted our bestest bud Louis Proyectile made a little visit, think, yesterday, but so many comments on these threads now, it’s hard to keep up.
Hmmm, just waiting on Espartaco and William H Bonney to reappear as well. Sigh…

kevin lohmann
kevin lohmann
Apr 19, 2020 5:19 PM
Reply to  milosevic

It’s not the ruling class, It’s the elderly, who happen to hold all the seats. we have to wrestle the world away from the dead and dying.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 28, 2020 1:55 PM
Reply to  David

“it is only corruption, mafia-state and mobs.”

Nah, I think not. Ever asked a Russian?

Mike Nagel
Mike Nagel
Mar 28, 2020 2:26 PM
Reply to  David

Just goes to show that when you believe Mr. TV man you know less than nothing.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 28, 2020 10:48 PM
Reply to  David

No-the ‘fact’ is that this virus probably traveled from the USA to China, accidentally or as yet another in the countless litany of American biological warfare actions over the last four hundred years, since they spread small-pox among the Native Americans. As for ‘..all the achievements of the US global image’, I’d laugh-but I’m too busy vomiting.

kevin lohmann
kevin lohmann
Apr 19, 2020 5:22 PM

I wish we came up with Corona. that being said. We can still embrace corona as an elegant blameless tool to reduce our ever growing population of sick and elderly.

Let Covid Reign!!

kevin lohmann
kevin lohmann
Apr 19, 2020 5:17 PM

We should be thanking China. Corona will set us free. Clean clean out the old and sick. the human race will be stronger when Corona is through with us.

falcemartello
falcemartello
Mar 28, 2020 2:48 AM

I suggest that people go to the UK health website and they have just declassified the COVID 19 virus to non critical. But hell little details like that tend not be reported by the legacy media.

Refraktor
Refraktor
Mar 28, 2020 4:52 AM
Reply to  falcemartello

Yes but that didn’t happen by accident. This is another Novichok. They are making sure we know it’s a hoax. The question is: to what end?

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 28, 2020 12:16 PM
Reply to  Refraktor

alternatively, maybe they’re too stupid to care about such minor details, or they assume that their audience is.

Refraktor
Refraktor
Mar 30, 2020 9:58 AM
Reply to  Refraktor

NOVichok- NOVel coronavirus

nOVIChok- COVId 19

nondimenticare
nondimenticare
Mar 28, 2020 4:11 PM
Reply to  falcemartello

Even the WHO website describes COVID-19 this way: “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment. Older people, and those with underlying medical problems like cardiovascular disease, diabetes, chronic respiratory disease, and cancer are more likely to develop serious illness.” That appears to describe this year’s seasonal flu.

My personal alternate paranoid fantasy is that the (engineered) virus was planted and thought to be more severe than it is, hence the preparations beforehand for a pandemic response. Once the virus turned out to be no more dangerous or symptomatic than the usual flu, they (whoever) could not or chose not to dial back that response.

SeanR
SeanR
Mar 29, 2020 2:22 PM
Reply to  falcemartello

Just a small point but they downgraded it prior to the lock-down.

Doctortrinate
Doctortrinate
Mar 28, 2020 12:41 AM

could this Game be any more pathetic – do these sanctimonious lofty windbags even realise it, perhaps , they dont care , as imagine it all in their pocket, and readying to button it over – but how so close – how is it they managed to stall a planet of billions – we know, they have a tight “family network”, nurturing their future cohorts from a young age, on into those well known institutions…trained for placement in Business, Law, Government, Music, Film etc…but what that greatest and most powerful of all their weapons…”right you are”, its The Telescreen, the mainstream agitprop…which for many, is as trusted as Mothers milky teet, a 24hr turn on to turn You off – Alpha wave deflation, shallow state, nursery rhyme castration – a true Transmitted virus (the key) – and never more dominant , with all indoors, waiting on the clock to tick Time for another fear filled trip on that concomitant elevator of misery….but they have the cure…just Stay Home, and tune out.

Gall
Gall
Mar 27, 2020 11:38 PM

As always CJ. I love ya man! I mean thank god there’s nothing to worry about. For a minute there ya had me worried when I saw all those tanks. Good news that the endless wars in the Middle East are almost over and the war machine is being redeployed. The bad news is its being deployed here!

Thankfully we still have a 2nd Amendment though somewhat watered down here in California meaning a 10 round clip for anything that doesn’t look like an “Assault Rifle” which I’m sure will be serviceable against an Abrams Tank.

kbucks
kbucks
Mar 27, 2020 11:36 PM

Ireland is going in to official lock-down at 12am. You cannot go further than 2km from your house.

All based on 60 ICU patients & 22 deaths (all elderly with underlying health conditions) related to COVID-19 since the 1st of March.

I knew it was coming but still am in shock.

Complete & utter madness.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Mar 28, 2020 12:06 AM
Reply to  kbucks

I’m in Ireland too and scratching my head the same, this country is asleep. I never felt such embarrassment for such obedience. I’m not washing my hands for a month!!!

kbucks
kbucks
Mar 28, 2020 12:16 AM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

Couldn’t agree more – people all week on social media calling for more restrictions, are they f*cking mad???
Leo V said on the 17th that their model projected 900 requiring ICU by the end of the month – HSE figures from today say 60 currently. I’ve been pointing out the massive difference to people for the last few days as it’s been very clear the figures from the governments model were absolute rubbish but no one wants to listen.

Willem
Willem
Mar 28, 2020 6:42 AM
Reply to  kbucks

You cannot convince people, but you can sure make them doubt.

Tell them that the ‘success’ story of China ran parallel with spring (it is >20 degrees in Wuhan right now), and for that reason you cannot be sure if the virus was either stopped by spring or by draconian measures. That at least they can confirm with their own eyes. It may make them wonder if they have to thank the police state or Mother Nature for saving us of con flu.

I think that is presently all you can do with messing up the minds of totalitarian state lovers.

Waldorf
Waldorf
Mar 28, 2020 3:31 PM
Reply to  Willem

I am hoping warmer temperatures reduces the impact of the virus, but there is disagreement about whether it has an effect.

nondimenticare
nondimenticare
Mar 28, 2020 4:15 PM
Reply to  Waldorf

I’m not sure we will find out. Because of the restrictions, fewer people are venturing outside into the sun and perhaps enhancing their immunity.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 28, 2020 7:16 AM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

Jesus Mary & Joseph Arsebiscuits… you should spend a month down here in Australia. You’d be flabbergasted!
Blind obedience, and deferring to authority is as dinky di as Skippy The Bush Kangaroo, tho I’m sure even Skippy would blush with embarrassment at the present state of affairs.
And this in a country that had the Eureka Stockade, Ned Kelly, and the Painters & Dockers Union.
Oh, yeah, I forgot, borders are closed anyways. You’ll have to wait a while.

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Mar 28, 2020 12:15 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

i am german butt have lived in donegal for 23 years. i am in shock. did not expect this HERE.

Antonym
Antonym
Mar 28, 2020 1:45 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

2 km? Lucky bastards!

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 28, 2020 10:51 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

Business as usual, then?

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Mar 28, 2020 12:13 PM
Reply to  kbucks

what? i miss so much avoiding msm. not that i even want to leave the house after yest 🙁

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 28, 2020 12:36 PM
Reply to  sabelmouse

You can’t go more than 2 kms from your house!? What if you live 4-5 kms from the nearest town or supermarket? Fecken ridiculous. I’m just avoiding MSM 99.7% of the time: music, books, movies, crosswords, and like I said, connecting with nature…

kbucks
kbucks
Mar 28, 2020 2:26 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

If you need essential supplies or medicines and have to travel over 2km you can, but only for those.

Police checkpoints are being set up, my wife is a member of the force. Although she says no legislation has been passed to enforce it but they are still under orders to tell people to go home.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 28, 2020 8:33 PM
Reply to  kbucks

Paddy turns up to his local pub at 6 o’clock. The landlord says to him:

“Now Paddy, you do know we don’t open till half-six don’t you?”

“Sure I do. That’s fine, I’ll just wait here until then”.

…pause…

Landlord: “Well now, will you be having a drink while you’re waiting?”

…..

The country that can come up with a joke like that (based surely on truth) will surely find ways of getting round this bollocks won’t it?

kbucks
kbucks
Mar 29, 2020 12:14 AM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

I don’t know about that, the pubs have been closed for 2 weeks now! lol

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 28, 2020 1:24 PM
Reply to  kbucks

You cannot go further than 2km from your house.

Heh heh. Here is the UK, the correct response is “What’s 2km, about 6 feet ?”. 🙂

AngryAngry
AngryAngry
Mar 27, 2020 10:58 PM

Interesting point. If you hadn’t put the protocols in, might be better received. The west/ world is run by those who take the misery of mankind very seriously. I often wondered why those here who k ow the truth and see evil intents do not take the search for truth any further? I would agree that the empty tombs white washed walls, brood of vipers are still the same today as they were back then- the seed of the woman and servant will continue.no need for charts and NWO conjecture- check out inventors of evil things on AV 9 alternative view 9 great talk

RobG
RobG
Mar 27, 2020 10:43 PM

You’re being told you’re in a lock down, yet all cross channel ferries continue…

https://www.brittany-ferries.co.uk/ferry-routes/ferries-france

Remember, those nice people in the government are no longer allowing more than two of you to gather, in case you start thinking.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Mar 28, 2020 8:41 AM
Reply to  RobG

Is there any restriction on who travels? I mean, transporting food in lorries might be fine if the drivers stayed in their cabs with flasks and sandwiches.

But if it is 500 passengers all mingling on deck?

Taking Lake Superior’s worth of piss….

Trots-R-Us
Trots-R-Us
Mar 28, 2020 11:26 AM
Reply to  RobG

Duh, how is the UK going to receive food and other supplies if the ferries aren’t operating? Things don’t happen by magic except to the aloof and ignorant far left and useless Millennials.

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 28, 2020 1:27 PM
Reply to  RobG

Website says they’ve cancelled passenger travel – (limited) freight only.

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
Mar 27, 2020 10:26 PM

“Epidemics of psychogenic illness often attract substantial media attention and may have profound public health, social and economic repercussions.” I’ve been reading about mass psychogenic illness from an article in American Family Physician and this phrase stood out. I’m well aware Covid19 and Corialanus are real things but could there possibly be a psychogenic element.. I know more than one person develping sore throats under stress and thinking they are getting “it”.

clickkid
clickkid
Mar 27, 2020 10:30 PM
Reply to  Daniel Spaniel

“Emirates Flight 203, September 2018 – 106 of 521 passengers on a 14-hour flight from Dubai to New York reported symptoms including coughing, sneezing, fever, or vomiting. The pilot notified airport ground staff, and personnel from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention met and quarantined the plane in New York and evaluated passengers, 11 of whom were sent to the hospital. A few passengers on the “flight from hell” turned out to have common colds or flu, with the other passengers coming to the belief that they were also sick after observing those around them”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_hysteria_cases

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
Mar 27, 2020 10:45 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Thank you for providing a couple of examples. Early this century I read a book about HIV/AIDS, the title escapes me.. something involving “myth”, “hysteria”, “plague” etc.. it was a slim volume with a compelling yet slightly unbelievable (in the face of modern medicine) case that hysteria around the subject created the symptoms on communities targeted by stress.. and that the accepted narrative was a lie. I didn’t maintain interest long enough to form a coherent opinion as I had other interests at the time but the argument stayed with me.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 28, 2020 5:44 AM
Reply to  Daniel Spaniel

How wonderful to hear that the several colleagues and friends who died of AIDS died of ‘hysteria’. Despicable inhumanity.

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
Mar 28, 2020 11:53 AM

I didn’t say that… but the impact of hysteria on targeted communities under stress? Possibly a factor in lowering immunity.

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 11:59 PM
Reply to  clickkid

People are awfully stupid don’t you think? I had an Aunt who often said that so I applaud your comment on her behalf. But I’m sure I don’t know what can be done about it.

clickkid
clickkid
Mar 27, 2020 10:32 PM
Reply to  Daniel Spaniel

“Starehe Girls Centre, Kenya (October 2019) – 52 students were isolated with an unknown disease, showing symptoms of a high-pitched cough, sneezing and low-grade fever, a number that later rose to 68. [51] As the number rose, the school’s administration shut the school down and instructed parents to pickup their daughters. Specimens collected from the affected students showed only two cases of rhinovirus, a virus that is the predominant cause of the common cold. After carrying out psychological assessments on the students, a team of mental health specialists dispatched by Kenya’s Ministry of Health to the school concluded that the ‘mysterious’ disease was a case of mass hysteria.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_hysteria_cases

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Mar 27, 2020 11:41 PM
Reply to  Daniel Spaniel

That’s just the normal spate of hysteria when pandemics morph via word-of-mouth & media/news.
Mass hysteria usually evolves via complete ignorance so that the priests of Medicine have to step up their game with regalia & ceremony to dispel the mythos.

Flight or Fight Behavioural response comes into play when people are frightened & panicked without direction from the priests of politics or Medicine.

No MD on planet Earth wants to tell the world that this is worthy of being panicked for people living in close proximity. Propinquity is the biggest worry of Epidemiologists.

MOU

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 28, 2020 5:00 AM
Reply to  Daniel Spaniel

Covid19 and Corialanus are real things

yes, Coriolanus is a play by William Shakespeare.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolanus

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
Mar 28, 2020 11:55 AM
Reply to  milosevic

Yes, I can spell.. but keyboard skills…

RobG
RobG
Mar 27, 2020 10:20 PM

I run a tourist business here in south west France, and you wouldn’t believe the complete bullshit that the UK Government is now pumping out.

I’m having to assure clients that everything is as normal in this part of south west France (which it is), and there’s no panic buying (which there is not) and everything is largely as normal.

And the cross channel ferries are still running, despite what those nice people in the Government might tell you.

Cue the loons, psychos and trolls to tell you otherwise…

AngryAngry
AngryAngry
Mar 27, 2020 11:17 PM
Reply to  RobG

Great! We are thinking of heading to the Bordeaux region- reports were all gone pear shape. So all normal then? Yellowvests crushes! Macron not locking down?

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Mar 28, 2020 8:43 AM
Reply to  RobG

Are your small shops and restaurants all open? How about the Caveaux for wine tasting?

I guess one should also ask if the autoroutes are all open and the peages functioning?

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 28, 2020 12:09 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

We were in Provence up until the 26th March. To be honest, we didn’t leave the house where we were staying for about the last 10 days of our stay. (Not too great a hardship, as we could sunbathe in the large garden, at the top of a hill with a great view). Our host went supermarket shopping every few days, without problems. Some minor shortages, and relatively short queues. I don’t know about small shops or restaurants. The patisserie-café that they/we often used to go to was only doing take-out service, no eat/drink-in.

He/we carried the official “attestation” on our way to Marseille-Provence airport, but we were not stopped and never had to produce it. (We fully expected there might be checks at the toll booths on the autoroute, but there weren’t).

The airport area was very very quiet, and only partially in use, and none of the cafés, etc were open. Ours was the only international flight that morning, although I think that there were some other international flights scheduled with other airlines later that day.

Ours was in fact the only weekday BA flight to LHR this week. There was one flight scheduled for today, and another for Sunday. Our flight was only about half-full, and it looked as though we were deliberately well separated, with alternate rows empty. We felt lucky to get away (and the chief can steward made several announcements over the PA system suggesting the idea that we were being “rescued”…). We’d had one flight earlier in the week cancelled, and to be honest, until we actually took off, I was half expecting this flight to be cancelled.

Having said that, Easyjet still seem to be running flights to and from London airports to MRS, most days, and even more than once per day, though how long that will continue.

I was told that the caveaux were still open, although sadly, we did not risk going to any.

I would not say things there are “as normal” exactly, but I think it’s a lot more relaxed in that relatively sleepy part of Provence than perhaps in the big cities.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 28, 2020 12:11 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Sorry that should have been “chief cabin steward”, and ” though how long that will continue, I don’t know”.

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 28, 2020 1:29 PM
Reply to  RobG

The brittany ferries website says they’ve cancelled passenger traffic.

And normal is needing a government paper to go next door ?!

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 28, 2020 8:37 PM
Reply to  JohnB

Well yes, but you know the French and their love of paperwork.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 27, 2020 10:19 PM

Thank you CJ for your sanity and your wit. This is one of your best btw.
Having problems posting a comment, so will keep this attempt short… but it’s like we’re all in some surreal Kafkaesque dream.
I am dumbstruck at how many people (in Australia at least) have turned into wannabe policemen and policewomen. Its like they’re on a huffed up power trip. The parallels with East Germany and the Stasi are also sadly noted.
I also much appreciate all the many links being posted on this sanctuary of saneness – especially EuroMomo, Swiss Propaganda Research and Truthstream Media.
Its sort of comforting to know, others see what is happening also.
All around us however, madness and full throttle conformity. Thanks for being here😁

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 28, 2020 12:17 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Sadly, the Stasi did not have to invent half of the evil that was perpetrated under their authority: it lay dormant in human nature all along. More in some people than others.
The same would have been true about the Stasi’s predecessors.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 28, 2020 1:19 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Sadly true Mike…. What I’ve witnessed, in fact what we’ve all seen the last few weeks – from the binge hoarding and panic buying to running round like Stasi informants, and policing anyone not keeping the required distance – or coughing in public!
A psychology student could write an entire thesis on this behaviour.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Mar 28, 2020 11:12 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

My brother is a keen cyclist. He doesn’t have a car and uses his bicycle to get around (in the days when it was legal 😀 ), go to the shops etc (oh sorry, there isn’t an etcetera) . Anyway, as he explained to me, he always finds that he needs to wipe his nose when he goes into the shop after his cycle ride. A couple of days ago, when he was doing this, he realised he was being watched very suspiciously by a shop assistant and he felt that he owed her an explanation. Thankfully, he fought the compulsion to provide one.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 29, 2020 12:03 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

It’s ridiculous aye… I’m now really self conscious if I blow my nose in public or cough… You may’ve seen a few days ago, I was out selling the mag, eating some cake (Marie Antoinette?) and some got caught in my throat and I choked, then started coughing.
This woman over 30 ft away started yelling loudly ‘You’re sick, you’re sick, go to the hospital’ then yelled at me to leave!! Paranoia? This is what it’s like now… people have really lost the plot.
With the Big Issue mag being suspended in the UK, and also here in Australia, I have lots of spare time!
Lots of movies, lots of music, and at least 4 books I’ve bought that when I got home, er, I put them straight in a drawer. Hmmm, impulse buying?
I think I have The Plague by Albert Camus somewhere here… which is very apt given what is happening (as Edward Curtin pointed out a few days back)
Have a goodish week – oh, saw clips of people out walking in the Peak District in Derbyshire and there was a bit of an uproar about that. In the middle of nowhere! In the fresh air!
Quelle Horreur!

JudyJ
JudyJ
Mar 29, 2020 12:32 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Cheers, Gezzah. Yep, about the Peak District, the police have taken it upon themselves to pounce on anyone who drives themselves to a secluded spot to indulge in any leisure activity even if there’s no one for miles around. Apparently it’s happening throughout the country.

They’ve interpreted the Govt’s instruction to not travel unless you have to literally, failing to appreciate that the message was really intended to reduce pressures on public transport suffering from staff absences and to prevent people gathering at stations, airports, bus stops, even motorway service stops… all that sort of thing. Not in the middle of mountains and moorlands. The police have gone more power mad than usual and have shown a complete lack of insight into what it’s all about.

Anyway, enjoy your leisure time as best you can. 😀

KissMum
KissMum
Mar 29, 2020 12:58 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

I work in a supermarket, air con makes the air dry, I am having to squash the need to have even the smallest cough for my entire shift not just for customers but also a large proportion of my colleagues who jump about 6ft at the slightest ‘ahem’. We’ll be encouraged to paint red crosses on our doors soon.

I had someone yesterday tell me they will not be touching newspapers as ‘you don’t know who else has been touching them’… one less person reading the MSM rubbish for now I guess?

JudyJ
JudyJ
Mar 29, 2020 1:37 PM
Reply to  KissMum

KissMum

Exactly. I get the occasional tickle in my throat (dog hairs probably!) and I don’t even want my neighbours to hear me coughing, so if I’m outside I rush indoors and quickly close the door! It’s ridiculous.

J.

ps. Shhh! Don’t broadcast the ‘red crosses’ idea too far or else it might well catch on if it hasn’t already. 😀

KissMum
KissMum
Mar 30, 2020 5:36 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

.. or ringing bells and moaning ‘unclean, unclean’?

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Mar 28, 2020 12:36 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

the parallels with fascism!

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 28, 2020 1:41 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

“I am dumbstruck at how many people (in Australia at least) have turned into wannabe policemen and policewomen.”

Indeed. It think has given some of them a sense of purpose to their otherwise dull lives. They think they are fighting the good fight against the evil killer virus.

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum
Mar 27, 2020 10:08 PM

Boredom will break the back of this event.
The bored will tear down the barriers and run rampant.
There are not enough bullets and bombs to stop them.

Borncynic
Borncynic
Mar 27, 2020 10:13 PM
Reply to  Fair dinkum

I honestly think that’s our only hope.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Mar 27, 2020 9:39 PM

More Groaning bollox – you’ll love this CJ.

“More on the situation in the US, as my colleague Jonathan Freedland skewers Donald Trump in a newly posted comment piece in which he accuses the US president of putting his ego first in his handling of the coronavirus pandemic.”

Has absolutely nothing critical to say of the tories or bozo as they build him into Churchillian stature.

Utterly shameless attack on the potus – who just approved $2 TRILLION in magic money for the pork-belly politicians and their gun loving, abortion hating , federal law hating whingers.

They will get back to tearing into Labour if the members held their nerve and voted for Beccy instead of one of their favorites.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 28, 2020 1:49 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

I hate abortion too.

This is not a world that you can divide people into “good” and “bad” with certain things that they may or may not agree with you (or I on). People have a variety of opinions on different subjects. Maybe that’s why I struggle to classify myself as “left” or “right”.

Plenty of leftists agreeing with this authoritarian shitshow too.

I don’t live in the States, but I don’t like guns and I am pleased we have gun control in my country. I still don’t like abortion though – sorry!

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 28, 2020 2:48 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Yep, well said John P. Also have difficulties with the left/right classification.

I’m mildly anti abortions, but hugely in favour of the right to bear arms. Our history, and the reasons for certain aspects of it, should never be forgot ! 🙂

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 28, 2020 10:59 PM
Reply to  JohnB

The Japanese quickly banned guns as ‘cowards’ weapons’ when they were introduced. That’s about right.

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 29, 2020 12:09 PM

As a climate cultist, Richard, I can see how you must fret about their carbon usage. 🙂

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 1, 2020 3:19 AM
Reply to  JohnB

Climate realist, John. Your beloved artillery appendage can’t protect you from that. You can’t murder reality, I’m afraid.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 28, 2020 10:58 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Abortion is certainly not a good, but it is almost certainly the lesser Evil in most cases.

Ken Kenn
Ken Kenn
Mar 28, 2020 3:00 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

There are elements of this that shriek ‘ White Middle Classes in Peril! ”

Freedlands and his fellow discredited Centrists come under that grouping as do the “Woke ” ( they’re awake now alright ) see their cossetted existence fade away before their very eyes.

Some of them would say – this economic and medical situation worse than Corbyn!

Despite the BBC’s grovelling defence of Johnson and his ( now missing in action ) TEAM UK this has all exposed the bullshit about Full Employment and the Telegraph’s alleged over Largesse of the State.

Conveniently all State Keep your hands off merchants are now happy top receive the State’s shilling as they did in The Crash.

The BBC Middle Class presenters have no idea as to how the interviewees live.

This is why they and most of the politicians sound like dicks.

From Trump to Johnson to Bolsanaro they were dicks before this outbreak.

They are the biggest dicks now.

Time to remove them and many in the media before they kill us all.

Not just by means of the handling of this virus.

Just generally as a matter of course

John
John
Mar 27, 2020 8:57 PM

This is a global civil war. The elite versus the masses. And while we sitting at home playing Tiddly Winks they getting all their pieces in place

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Mar 27, 2020 9:18 PM
Reply to  John

Great way to put it, John.

crispy
crispy
Mar 27, 2020 10:03 PM
Reply to  John

No you thick cunt , its a fake news war for the terminally fucking stupid

CUNTS AT OFF GUARDIAN BE WARNED ANY MORE AND I’LL REPORT THIS SITE AND GET YOU CUNTS CLOSED DOWN!

Reg
Reg
Mar 28, 2020 2:19 AM
Reply to  crispy

Are you John Milton’s policeman friend?

JudyJ
JudyJ
Mar 28, 2020 10:06 AM
Reply to  Reg

I mistakenly speed read your post, Reg, and my first thought was that I didn’t remember those lines in Paradise Lost! Ironically, it might have been quite appropriate.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Mar 28, 2020 8:11 AM
Reply to  crispy

I think MI5 have been aware of this site for years. I mean, they track every single thing I do and I started visiting here about 4 or 5 years ago, so they do not need you to report it to them lol.

crispy
crispy
Mar 28, 2020 8:30 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

cunt

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Mar 28, 2020 9:30 AM
Reply to  crispy

If you do these one-word obscenity-posts again we will have no choice but to put you on pre-mod.

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 28, 2020 12:23 PM

I think a list of the IP addresses these disinfo morons are posting from, would be of widespread interest.

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 28, 2020 2:52 PM
Reply to  milosevic

It would indeed. But they’ll be random/anonymous.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Mar 28, 2020 8:45 AM
Reply to  crispy

ON a point of anatomical order: PRICKS are usually thick, CUNTS are usually cylindrical orifices…

Just so we all understand each other….

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 28, 2020 1:43 PM
Reply to  crispy

Go fry yourself !

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Mar 27, 2020 8:48 PM

The COVID-19 unleashing is most assuredly a gain of function bioweapon manufactured and unleashed to add subterfuge to the crashing worldwide macroeconomic landscape & finance architecture that has been slated to crash outright into mean reversion market wide since 08.

nCoronavirus has crippled global markets, supply chains, and service industries of all facets & kinds to a point of system breakdown and a clear worldwide Six Sigma Event fat tail crash.

Worldwide infrastructure & supply lines will be disrupted, sclerotic, & bottlenecked until WHO & CDC declare that a vaccine has been manufactured. Currently, no Epidemiologists the world over will even hazard a guess as to when the global pandemic will be over. In brief, until remedy is found we can assume that exponential proliferation will become evident as the nCoronavirus mutates, and replicates to a point of global pandemic end game which could be calculated at zero sum if this man made bioweapon is virulent enough and mutates into a more aggressive pathogen.

We don’t know the predictive path of this nCoronavirus, and the probabilities indicates that more pathogenesis is going to play out in myriad ways from here on out.

You tax dollars at work.

MOU

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Mar 28, 2020 8:46 AM

Can we see the evidence of this? I am very, very open to believing you but I would like to see the analysis of the genome showing where the critical gains of function were engineered into the virus and evidence that this happened in a bioweapons lab, not in nature?

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 28, 2020 12:25 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

disinfo shills don’t do evidence; they have only a few minutes to devote to any particular forum, before they’re on to their next assignment.

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Mar 28, 2020 3:45 PM
Reply to  milosevic

Malignant personality.

MOU

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Mar 28, 2020 3:44 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

I don’t have epidemiological journal access, and I’m high speed challenged in so far as I am still a Luddite on 56k dialup modem which does not upload data bits faster than a turtle.

MOU

Rick
Rick
Mar 27, 2020 8:45 PM

Okay, sounds good but how do you every single country in the world to be in lock step to this nonsense. incl. Iran, Russia, China etc. That I don’t get. Which is why I think this might be something else.

[typo corrected. A2]

SteveEss
SteveEss
Mar 27, 2020 9:10 PM
Reply to  Rick

Agreed… Ain’t gonna happen Rick.

clickkid
clickkid
Mar 27, 2020 9:41 PM
Reply to  Rick

My ruminations:

Because all know that a financial reset is to take place. This reset will involve either a formal debt jubilee or – and much more likely in my view – an informal debt jubilee with hyperinflation. Perhaps some combination of the two.

This is very likely to give rise to considerable social disorder, therefore they have to have the security structures in place to deal with that.

The virus will handily take the blame for the losses suffered by savers – “nobody could have predicted this etc”

This is the relatively organized scenario. I actually think that a much more chaotic scenario is more likely, as I sketched out in a comment on the previous article earlier today. This essentially involves the governments and central banks trying to hold the line, printing tens of trillions and trying to save the system. I think it is more likely because of the innate tendency of those in power to hang on to power as long as possible – and thus to procrastinate on making difficult decisions, as well as their incompetence and normalcy bias. Let’s not forget either that the elites are not monolithic. There will be dissension as well as conflicts of interest.

If they hang on too long – as in my view they will – then hyperinflation will rip the rug out from under their feet.

Either way, they know that they are certain to cause popular anger – hence the police sate measures.

It doesn’t matter.They (the western political class) can’t save themselves or the system – it is bankrupt. Economic reality dictates that.

I think there are many similarities between the situation of the western states now and that of the Soviet bloc at the end of the 1980s. Elites, when they have been in power too long, become ever more arrogant and incompetent. Several years ago the minutes of the East German Politburo were released – from their meeting on November 9th 1989 (the day the Berlin Wall came down). It is clear from these that Honecker and Co, had no feeling for what was going on on the ground, despite having nearly 2Million Stasi informers.

As for why China and Russia are laying along. Because they stand to benefit from the Dollar’s loss of reserve currency status.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 27, 2020 10:28 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Had a quick glance at the revolting ABC here in Australia, and the byline of one of their ‘investigative peices’ was…. ‘The downturn in the Global economy caused by the Coronavirus’. Nothing to do with the ponzi scheme they erected…

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Mar 27, 2020 11:46 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

They are pumping out the same tripe here in CANADA too.

MOU

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 28, 2020 12:00 AM

And, like with the virus, this message will be pumped out relentlessly. Everywhere. Even in the Yukon Territory.
Hope you’re okay MOU?
Found out yesterday, the homeless street mag I sell down here in Aussie has suspended all operations. No mag sales. No income.
But there are millions who will needlessly suffer because of the Big Banks, and the Ruling Class bastards who will cream off everything they can.
It’ll be like a feeding frenzy of sharks.
Take care, weather will be starting to warm up in Ontario…

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Mar 28, 2020 1:28 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Extremely sorry to hear that, Gezzah.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 28, 2020 1:39 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Thanks… so, yeah, it’ll be the most basic essentials for now.
And there will be millions in the same boat. Keep fighting, keep trucking guys, really great work on this entire story.

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Mar 28, 2020 12:38 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

eugenics of the old, and homeless might be part of this

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Mar 28, 2020 3:52 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

I’m fine, Gezzah, thanks for checking. Hope you are well too.

First Nations in Ontario are being given short-shrift when it comes to COVID-19 bail out money from Doug Ford’s PC Ontario Government.

None of the First Nations communities have Tertiary Care hospitals with Intensive Care Units.

Government of CANADA is merely following in lock-step with G-7 politicians.

P.S. I used to watch Skippy the bush kangaroo back in the 70s. Those were the good old days IMHO. And that’s when I wanted to see Oz. Today, I don’t know if I will ever get to see Oz in my lifetime.

So much for a unified world, eh.

Cheers, MOU.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 28, 2020 9:16 PM

I suspect we’re roughly the same age (57) and I lived in Oz from 1985 to 94.
Back then, people were so different – much more happy go lucky, friendly, trusting, much more willing to help others…. That was before the psychological impact of Neoliberalism really began infecting people’s ways of thinking, and how they viewed others.
Same in my own country of NZ… Same everywhere Neoliberalism has taken hold…. Me, myself and I. Not us. Not the collective.
I always wanted to go to France. That won’t happen. The world is being remolded in front of us. It was only 7 degrees in Toronto yesterday. That’s cold! Take care😁

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 1, 2020 3:21 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

A feeding frenzy of leeches I suspect.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 28, 2020 5:49 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Did you catch the ever odious moron Doogue this morning, with her ‘expert’ on China, a Brit of some description (having Chinese report on China, unless they are thorough reliable, Westernised, compradore scum, is utterly forbidden)spewing Sinophobic hatred and outrageous lies-as usual? The old prolapse seems to be slobbering for war, which, at her age, will lose her very few years at all.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 28, 2020 9:07 AM

I havn’t listened to radio for over 2 years, nor do I almost ever have TV on (unless it’s a great doco like John Pilger’s The Coming War on China, which SBS showed a few weeks back).
At most, I glance at ABC News 24 online, and skim read a few paragraphs if that.
I just can’t stomach the bastards. Not after this – the most over the top fear mongering, not after the outrageous lies about Syria, not after the fawning and gushing over war criminals like Blair, Howard, Clinton, not after the avalanche of Empire propaganda, not after Russiagate; and literally wanting WW3…. Everything.
So, the short answer to your question was…. No.

Betrayed planet
Betrayed planet
Mar 28, 2020 6:18 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Gezzah, agree 100%. I can no longer tolerate the lies, obfuscation, the blatant abuse and disrespect in every facet of life. I used to love radio, cannot listen to it anymore ( lies). Used to watch television, no more (lies). Used to enjoy other people’s company, very rarely now as the bulk have been propagandised. It makes for a lonely enough life but at least I have a vague idea of where I am.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 28, 2020 8:56 PM

We’re on the same page BP.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 28, 2020 11:03 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

I’m a curious type of masochist, Gezzah, who gains some sort of perverted psychological satisfaction from witnessing these scum go ever deeper and deeper into the moral and intellectual shite. Pray for my soul.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 29, 2020 4:56 AM

Er… I renounced my Catholicism on my 18th birthday Richard. Don’t do prayers anymore, but you are in my thoughts.
Just told the Socialist Equality Party (WSWS) where they can stick their over the top fear porn.
They wanted to interview me (for their site) regards how the Coronavirus pandemic was affecting Kiwi’s in Aussie. Would you believe they sent me an article from the vile The Guardian as a reference!!
I told them their hysterical fear mongering was as bad as the mainstream media, and did they really believe all the blatant fascist measures being put in place was Only about containing the virus.
Told them to come here to OffG, Swiss Propaganda Research, EuroMomo, Truthstream Media and American Herald Tribune along with a couple of the Doctors this site has mentioned.
Why did I try and get involved with them? You did warn me last year when we had that exchange about them at The Saker. Did I listen to you? No. Sigh….
Take it ezy, enjoy the rest of your Sunday.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 1, 2020 3:24 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Never trust a Trot, Gezzah! Particularly phony Trots. The WSWS has definitely been subverted, some time ago. They still do some good work, but ever more shite. Pity.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 1, 2020 9:05 AM

You did warn me when I met them for coffee over a year ago… You did say, and, well, I just went right ahead.
There’s basically no Genuine authentic anti neoliberal anti imperialist organisation in Australia. None.
And their (WSWS) over the top fear porn about the virus has really opened my eyes, as numerous others here have also noticed. The ones I did meet from the Socialist Equality Party – nearly all of them were teachers or white collar. Almost no one there seemed to be like a factory worker or labourer.
Anyway, have given them the boot. Have a good evening✌️

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 1, 2020 3:22 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

I saw Pilger give the Edward Said Speech in Adelaide a few years ago. He was excellent, lucid and forceful.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 1, 2020 9:31 AM

Yes… I moved from Adelaide bit over 3 years ago. I have a lot of respect for Pilger, and as I said, his Coming War On China doco was on SBS weeks back!
Havn’t seen him write much for a while except on Julian Assange.

Mike Nagel
Mike Nagel
Mar 28, 2020 2:39 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

This loops back to the medical argument. Did it die with the virus or because of it?

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Mar 27, 2020 10:56 PM
Reply to  Rick

It looks as though Iran and China were attacked with some kind of bioweapon. Not knowing at first what exactly they were dealing with, they took maximal precautions. But we know good and well by now what this virus is really like.

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 28, 2020 12:29 PM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

That probably explains what would otherwise seem like an overreaction in China. It would be interesting to know what lead them to the conclusion that it was a bioweapon attack.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 28, 2020 11:08 PM
Reply to  milosevic

The first cluster of victims, 42 strong, being in the hotel where the US delegation to the World Military Games had stayed, might have been a clue.

fred
fred
Mar 27, 2020 8:18 PM

I work in the healthcare field. Here’s the problem, we are testing people for any strain of a Coronavirus. Not specifically for COVID-19. There are no reliable tests for a specific COVID-19 virus. There are no reliable agencies or media outlets for reporting numbers of actual COVID-19 virus cases. This needs to be addressed first and foremost. Every action and reaction to COVID-19 is based on totally flawed data and we simply can not make accurate assessments.

This is why you’re hearing that most people with COVID-19 are showing nothing more than cold/flu like symptoms. That’s because most Coronavirus strains are nothing more than cold/flu like symptoms. The few actual novel Coronavirus cases do have some worse respiratory responses, but still have a very promising recovery rate, especially for those without prior issues.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/manufactured-pandemic-testing-people-any-strain-coronavirus-not-specifically-covid-19/5707781

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Mar 27, 2020 8:34 PM
Reply to  fred

I noted that Johnson was mentioned by the BBC as having being tested for Coronavirus, not specifically COVID-19. He looked normal in his speech, despite alleged to have a temperature and persistent cough…he spoke for two minutes solid without a single cough nor pause for breath. Clear as day evidence of misinformation of the highest order.

Watt
Watt
Mar 28, 2020 1:13 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

I noticed that myself.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Mar 28, 2020 8:13 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Perfectly possible he has tested positive whilst being mostly healthy, just a mild cold, runny nose.

No disinformation necessary, just makes you wonder what the reason for highlighting it was?

The PM has it, so everyone could get it?

Miss P
Miss P
Mar 28, 2020 10:06 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

It’s plausible deniability and playing the victim. How could Boris have any hidden agenda, when he got the terrible scary virus! Refer Peter Dutton, Australia’s “Home Affairs” “Minister”, came back from meeting with top US intelligence officials…and then promptly came down with the virus. Mild case, fortunately. What a surprise! How fortunate for him! Whether it’s true or they injected him with something or he never had anything at all, we’re never gonna know. Certainly wouldn’t surprise me to discover he is complicit in the plan up to his fucking fascist eyeballs. I wonder what was discussed at this “meeting”? We’re never going to know that either. Just shut up and do what you are told, or it’s room 101 for you, Winston. Karl Rove said “we’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality.” Fake reality, of course.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Mar 28, 2020 11:59 AM
Reply to  Miss P

“we’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality.”
Exactly that.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 28, 2020 11:10 PM
Reply to  Miss P

When I heard that some poor coronavirus had been infected with Peter Dutton, I wept for the poor ‘creature’, thingy. The virus, that is.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Mar 28, 2020 11:57 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

It was prefaced that for at least 24 hours he’d had “a high temperature and persistent cough“, therefore so early into the illness it would only get worse by the next day. No way he’d be able to talk for 2 minutes without even a sniffle let alone the typical nasty and persistent cough that COVID-19 sufferers experience.

The point is that he may have at the worst a very mild coronavirus illness, not specifically COVID-19. The generic banding around of government and MSM of the word coronavirus, a group of 20+ viri, will now and forever be used to spread fear into populations and control them.

Mike Nagel
Mike Nagel
Mar 28, 2020 2:44 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

I guess he didn’t want folks to think he was Joe Biden.

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 8:54 PM
Reply to  fred

But ‘prior issues’ are pretty significant you would say? Do you know the percentage of say Over 65 males with ‘prior issues’? What is the fatality rate for those people I wonder? Unusually high would you say?

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Mar 27, 2020 9:45 PM
Reply to  Paul

The official version of what happened to $$$Trillions$$$ of US D.o.D bucks, (the day before 😉 just ask Rumsfeld Cheney & Co.) “Parallel Platforms”, Geo-Engineering & WTC7 & NIST’s conclusions, are wholly bull shit and after FOUR YEARS of computer modelling the University of Fairbanks Alaska (right by HAARP), have just confirmed that the only way WTC7 could have collapsed in that fashion,
was …

A controlled demolition !

Do you think that the same people who pulled that WTC7 complex stunt, with full media control & co-operation, (almost perfectly, admittedly, except for the psychic-sidekick BBC gaff, announcing in advance WTC7’s ‘tragic demise’… think about that & WTC7’s’ contents!), that the same people could be conning you covertly now? ? What ? timed with predicted financial collapse ? With the subsequent ramping of the surveillance state, post 2001 and the completely western sponsored & orchestrated phoney ‘war on terror’, with our Taxes, with unhindered lending on credit & Q.E. >>> QED , austerity, except militarily, yes or no, do you believe NIST still or are you aware of
mind control & media strat=egies & programming… ?>>>?
in provoking fear, massively & disproportionately ?
You know, right ? WMD’s was FAKERY, just like WTC7.
Ask Fairbanks University about WTC7.
THIS IS NEWS … BREAKING THIS WEEK
Get a sense of proportion & reality, ASAP Paul !
Architects & Engineers appealed to you ! ?
To Question devils within & get serious, scientifically: chill …
Don’t panic: pious parallel platforms prevail people’s personas,
profiling prolifically personas in perpetuity non grata, mining for Data & any ideas …
with renditions easy, in the West, indeed anywhere today.
Try not to take this preliminary computer ‘drive’ of the elites, too personally or
fuckin’ seriously, see? >>> this is just the beginning, like round one against
Bio-Psycho-Warfare and the Chinese: and already, significantly,
Doctors are revolting … the best doctors
Think about that ! 🙂 😉
Doctors CONFRONTing Doctors … !
Just wait until,
lawyers confront A.I. ‘Tings N’ Times’ 🙂

Just asking, Paul.
I WANT ANSWERS !
Finally, you see ?

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 10:02 PM
Reply to  Tim Jenkins

I’m not sure I can help

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Mar 27, 2020 11:05 PM
Reply to  Paul

Oh, but you can: start by answering the WTC7 question, publicly.

Do you accept your government’s & media’s official &

PROVEN TOTALLY UNSCIENTIFIC explanations ???

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 11:08 PM
Reply to  Tim Jenkins

No I can’t and don’t want to try because I think you are a bit potty. Ok?

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 28, 2020 5:08 AM
Reply to  Paul

I think you are a bit potty.

— it’s an act; it’s a actually a government disinfo persona, which for some reason has previously claimed to be an actual deep-state operative.

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 28, 2020 1:41 AM
Reply to  Tim Jenkins

I WANT ANSWERS!

Why don’t you ask your CIA friends?

Tim, having worked parallel with CIA Agents & Navy seals clearly knows what he’s talking about

https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/09/wikipedia-slashes-spanish-flu-death-rate/#comment-126172

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 28, 2020 5:51 AM
Reply to  Tim Jenkins

Who are you to judge who the ‘best doctors’ are?

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Mar 28, 2020 8:50 AM
Reply to  Tim Jenkins

The WTC7 story may be ‘breaking’ news to you, but it was announced several months back. I alerted Mr Slog or hat4uk.wordpress.com about it back then.

Just like there may soon be ‘breaking news’ about ‘Lawyers for 9/11 justice”s attempts to have a Grand Jury evaluate evidence for State Crimes on 9/11. They have been quietly in action for a few years now, I am on their mailing list. But the MSM rarely report on what they do….

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Mar 28, 2020 12:01 PM
Reply to  Tim Jenkins

Are you Flaxgirl’s / Petra’s brother? Or perhaps even her carer?

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 28, 2020 12:36 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

it would be interesting to know how many of these disinfo personae are managed by a single deep-state operative.
do they have a different IP addresses for each persona, or are they too careless to bother with that?

SteveEss
SteveEss
Mar 27, 2020 9:08 PM
Reply to  fred

Fred, because you admittedly work in the healthcare field, I’d love your input/reaction to the following link, the particular blog entitled: “The Case Number Game”…

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/

Gamer
Gamer
Mar 27, 2020 9:42 PM
Reply to  fred

“There are no reliable tests for a specific COVID-19 virus.” Yes we know, and yet apparently “healthcare field” professionals are happily creating grist for the police state by declaring people dead with it. But that’s just the paperwork’s fault, is it?

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Mar 27, 2020 9:44 PM
Reply to  fred

Thanks fred ,

Finally the truth about the (not) tests is getting out.

What about antibodies and the other ‘new’ test which is being deployed?

1of7billion
1of7billion
Mar 27, 2020 8:17 PM

Though I earlier made a somewhat lighthearted comment regarding the discovery that a cat in Belgium had tested positive for COVID-19, though I’m not exactly what you’d call an “animal lover” in the sense of desiring a domestic pet, I well understand the desire if not need of millions to do so in a society that is so lacking in security and comfort.

I would therefore in passing like to stand up for the rights of the poor and much maligned pig, whose species has provided humanity for untold millennia, so many tasty sandwiches and dinners, and perhaps even something more for our ex-PM Mr Cameron according to some unconfirmed sources.

My point is however very serious indeed, as it regards the competence of scientists, given this current “science-led” justification for the current Draconian attacks upon public freedom.

For we all know very well anyway, that scientists themselves are rarely unified on numerous issues, especially those of a biological, medical or environmental nature, so the whole idea that such drastic more or less totalitarian policies can be carried out on the basis of advice from persons who are not in agreement or as all knowing as they so often pretend, is in itself seriously suspect.

For the real truth is, that more often than not, the government of the day merely wheels out the scientists who have the opinions it chooses to hold, to justify what they want to do, and ignores totally the scientists who disagree and hold an often diametrically opposed opinion.

In such a case as this however, regardless of how the chosen scientists came into favour, governments may well be unduly influenced by scientists, whose competence therefore needs to be very seriously called into question.

For example, now that we find that it appears a cat can carry the virus, as cats are far more widely in contact with the general population than pigs, the whole idea that the virus was transmitted from a pig to a human causing the outbreak in humans, is seriously in question.

Note, how not a single scientist to date had given any indication at all that cats might be carrying COVID 19, we were give no advice whatsoever that we should beware of our cats, who of course as they have continued to enjoy far more freedom than humans under the current lockdown, may well have transmitted the virus amongst themselves and other humans to a massive degree.

The fact our government and apparently most governments have hardly carried out any testing apart from it seems the elite and serious cases, or those who in panic have rushed to the hospitals, of course makes the whole issue of how far the virus has spread, how many people, possibly millions already according to this Oxford University Study, impossible to know.

“Coronavirus may have infected half of UK population — Oxford study”

https://www.ft.com/content/5ff6469a-6dd8-11ea-89df-41bea055720b

(sadly you can’t read the whole Financial Times article due to the paywall, but no doubt it is also covered elsewhere).

So we do not know from the scientists, whose quite possibly ignorant opinions have ruined for millions our lives, jobs and economy, if even for example this disease can transmit from cats to humans, let alone pigs to humans.

So let us ask – with almost certainty that they cannot answer – how exactly it is that as they assumed the virus transmitted from a pig to a human, why they didn’t warn us it might even be able to transmit from a cat or a dog to a human, or a human to a cat or dog?

So they won’t let us touch or see each other any more, or even come within about 2 yards of one another, so have destroyed our social and working lives, but they didn’t warn us that our pets might render their social isolation amongst humans policy totally useless and irrelevant.

And let us further question the wisdom and logic or absence thereof, of how exactly it is assumed that a pig can somehow originate and grow this virus in itself but a human cannot?

I wonder how is it that the pig, as expressed by that cool gangster portrayed by Samuel L Jackson in Pulp Fiction is regarded as “a dirty animal”, but the human is not?

For it appears that the pig is literally being used as “the scapegoat” to terminate a scientific trail of ignorance that stops precisely there – we got it from a pig, they tell us – but nobody ever asks nor explains how the pig first got it, or developed it in the first place.

For example when someone gets cancer, nobody blames it on a pig, so why so in this case?

My point being, that as the scientists don’t now how it can start/originate in a pig, they also don’t know if it can start/originate in a human. And if it can, then there is the (to them anyway) terrifying implication that it could pop up anywhere – humans might develop it spontaneously, just as it appears they do cancer.

My larger point being, when scientists are so ignorant of these matters, then how is it we can trust them with the power to shut down our whole lives?

When they apparently can’t even show why for example now the official mortality rate in Germany is only 0.6%, in S Korea only 1%, but in Italy around 10%.

So the only certainty is that by shutting down society, they are causing immense problems to millions, all kinds of problems of an economic, social and mental and physical health nature, they have without doubt if nothing else caused the whole society to live in fear.

A fear that they never did before in living memory, even perhaps for those who are still around who lived through the Second World War.

For, in WWII the public knew exactly who the enemy was, it was a threatening foreign invader, with an enormous murderous army, navy and air force, who threatened mass murder if we did not submit to his wishes, and had already carried it out in several other countries.

But this time, the enemy is invisible, we don’t even know where it is, who has it, or what it is capable of doing, if it can hurt us personally or it cannot.

But the known truth that most ordinary people have gathered independently, is that most people appart from the very old and infirm are now far more in fear of their own government, which has dared to effectively carry out a terrorist action against their entire people, based only on the opinions of a small number of scientists, who are not even united in their views.

And as I have above shown are very ignorant and unsure of all the questions we really need answering, who had not for example even the imagination or forethought to warn us that if this virus really is the killer that they claim, that even our pets could be a threat to us.

Blind obedience to scientists has got to stop, just as it clearly also has to government, and it is certain the public will resist far more strongly in future any government efforts to take their freedom away, unless the bodies really do pile up in millions as they have claimed to justify this mass imprisonment.

Which piles of bodies there does not seem to be any sign of as yet, given that according to the Times, there are on average 17000 deaths from flu annually, with which the COVID-19 death total of only 759 cases to date, does not remotely compare, and cannot possibly justify this mass false imprisonment of the entire British public, and likely destruction of their jobs, futures and economy, based on data that is looking no more sound than Tony Blair’s “dodgy dossier” that he used to justify the catastrophic Iraq War, before which there was no Muslim terrorism on British soil.

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 27, 2020 10:03 PM
Reply to  1of7billion

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Mar 28, 2020 12:11 PM
Reply to  milosevic

Purrfect!

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Mar 27, 2020 8:06 PM

Lol. The answer is how could we tell?

How will the UK function with a sick prime minister?

Headline in the Groan on the spooky Patrick Wintour article.

I demand Off-G includes this in a restored groaniadbollox article!

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Mar 28, 2020 8:52 AM
Reply to  DunGroanin

He is not ‘sick’, he has a mild cold. He is merely self-isolating to show he obeys the edicts he imposes on 60 million others.

A. Scott Buch
A. Scott Buch
Mar 27, 2020 7:49 PM

To declare war on death is also conversely to declare war on life. Like the madman who hopes to quell the voices in his head with a bullet to the brain, we mistake the mysterious ground of all being for what those infected by the folly of pure reason call insanity.

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 27, 2020 7:30 PM

Here’s a pep talk for you:

https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2020-03-24/coronavirus-terrified-us/

Our leaders are terrified. Not of the virus – of us

You can almost smell the fear-laden sweat oozing from the pores of television broadcasts and social media posts as it finally dawns on our political and media establishments what the coronavirus actually means. And I am not talking about the threat posed to our health.

Can’t say I smelled fear FROM “our political and media establishments” but they were certainly projecting it outwards.

Loverat
Loverat
Mar 27, 2020 7:24 PM

Can you imagine what will happen if Off G are correct? In my book, right or not, they are simply asking the relevent questions.

If you like consider Off G as an investment. Send them a few bob and enjoy the returns.

So pleased this site aligns almost identically to my views. Like Peter Hitchens who I Iove but Off G will always be my first love.

What a superb site we have here. We should all go out at 8.00pm and clap.

Noodle
Noodle
Mar 27, 2020 7:40 PM
Reply to  Loverat

I have already set up a standing order…. and shared with my close friends…..

I’ve personally found this site a great comfort, with that I include all the commenting ‘team’.

Thank you all.

Huge round of applause!!!

Loverat
Loverat
Mar 27, 2020 9:02 PM
Reply to  Noodle

Noodle

your a saint. God if hes around will sort out the detail of your payment.

Righteous rabbit
Righteous rabbit
Mar 27, 2020 9:58 PM
Reply to  Loverat

Off g has my money and deserves a massive round of applause

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Mar 27, 2020 10:07 PM
Reply to  Loverat

@Loverat your kind comments are most welcome. Thank you. Everyone needs a bit of buoying up right now! May I add, everyone who posts here and follows us has really helped us to keep pushing on, we are extremely grateful to you all.

Watt
Watt
Mar 28, 2020 1:47 AM
Reply to  Loverat

Make that 3am, with the rattle of ‘forks’!

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 27, 2020 7:09 PM

Here’s an article by one Mike Small who is “a freelance writer, journalist, author and publisher. He has written for the Guardian, Sunday Herald, Sunday National, Open Democracy, Variant, Lobster and Z Magazine.”:

https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2020/03/27/20-things-the-virus-is-telling-us/

20 Things the Virus is Telling Us

Note point 10:

The idea that we need to “get back to normal” is THE LAST THING WE NEED TO DO.

Intrigued I went on to this:

https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2020/03/22/viral-time/

He has a go at Peter Hitchens who dared to say that shutting down Britain may not be the best idea. And this:

The virus brings forth equal measures of hysteria, kindness, and brutal selfishness. Humanity is laid bare in all its glory, as social control mingles with doubt and fear, dread and anxiety fused with hefty doses of boredom and ingenuity.

It sounded a lot like what the Jonathan Pie (Tom Walker) said in his coronavirus rant.

Ever get the feeling you are being set up with a script?

Then this:

When we re-build we must re-build from scratch and with fresh eyes. This doesn’t just apply to the basics of our social systems, but our very understanding of the world.

When “we” rebuild? And will “we” be permitted to rebuild?

Furthermore , the three week period of lockdown which then morphed into “months” has now turned into “most of the year”:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51977802

I have a feeling that the end credits will never appear for this movie.

SteveEss
SteveEss
Mar 27, 2020 6:53 PM

From Hopkins above…

“Israel is tapping its former secret collection of everyone’s mobil phone records to identify people who might be infected, and assorted ‘others who need to be quarantined.'”

It’s that statement: ‘others who need to be qurantined’ that caught my eye… What an Orwellian catch-all…

Of course, it has nothing to do with health
(The rascals!)

i.e. – Terorists, known dissenters, prior arrest warrants, radical extremists, tear-gassed protestors, known Communists, past hippies, videotaped revolutionary soldiers, anti-establishment authors and ALL their readers/subscribers, teachers, and anyone with a glint in their eye (Sheep never have eyes that show emotion, don’t you know? Kinda like zombies)…

GAWD…! I now check all the boxes! 😱

1) Over 65 (just barely)…
2) Pre-existing health condition (respiratory ailment, 3+ years now)…
3) Prior radical affiliation…

Please, can anyone tell me, where does the line form for deprogramming…? I think I’ve been summoned…

“Baaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh”

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 27, 2020 6:30 PM

OffG – I’m just following your twitter feeds and I saw this:

I don’t have anyone to talk with who is sane right now. They keep repeating the same zombie talking points “social distancing social distancing” ad nauseum.

It seems (and surely no-one is surprised) that this global “emergency” is now being prolonged indefinitely. How long are these patsies going to repeat the zombie mantra?

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 28, 2020 12:45 PM
Reply to  George Mc

— until the MSM comes out with a new disinfo panic, obviously. who now cares about “Russiagate”? These people are too stupid to maintain any single hysteria without constant reenforcement.

crank
crank
Mar 27, 2020 6:04 PM

CJ,
Your recent articles have left me cold I have to say, but this is a tour de force. I am (if you forgive) struggling for breath.
Seriously, I had an idea for a book as an adolescent : a future dystopian future where death becomes illegal and secret cults form to try and die.
It has finally come down to brass tacks. This is not just the capitalist empire’s last stand, it is materialism’s last stand. (Is that not, at root, why so many of the socialists are on board with this ?).
It’s a victory lap for our culture’s inability to deal with human mortality, just in time before….

1of7billion
1of7billion
Mar 27, 2020 5:50 PM

I apologise for being unable to resist to comment on the fact that according to the Guardian, the Belgian government has reported that a cat has been found to test positive for COVID-19.

At the risk of being condemned by animal rights campaigners, I have to say I find this absolutely hilarious, because if this is really the case, the chances of ever controlling this thing in a nation of cat lovers like the UK has just turned Boris Johnson into the spitting image of King Canute.

One might even say King Cat-ute.

As one even wonders if Boris himself may have been infected the legendary “Downing Street Cat” which is well known to come and go as it pleases, and thus for all anybody knows, may have swapped “body fluids” with every other cat in town.

No doubt the media will soon be talking about Cat-gate, and the police will be urgently making inquiries into which other cats the Downing Street cat has associated with in the last 48 hours or more. Quite possibly Office Dibble will be leading the inquiry.

A COBRA meeting will likely be called and a bounty offered to anybody who can track down which pussycats may have been associated with the Downing Street cat and thus should be put into quarantine – or worse.

The awful truth of course is that if our domestic Toms and Tabbies really can give each other and any humans who may be stroking them upon their knees the deadly (as we all know) COVID 19, there is not (if you’ll forgive the pun) “a cat in hell’s chance” that any of us nation of cat lovers can escape the evil clutches of COVID 19.

One wonders if even the most passionate of animal rights fanatics will ever be able to look at their pussies again in quite the same way.

Of course, seeing as this was the Guardian, this news was reported as “pets at risk” totally ignoring the likely (by their own assessment) utterly catastrophic consequences for humans, probably millions of whom in the UK have had close contact with their own cats in the last so many days or weeks.

My guess is sadly, that not even Ace Ventura, Pet Detective, can save the day, and the weeping that may ensue over the possible mass culling and massacre of infected moggies, might well outstrip that even over Princess Diana, probably with Elton John being motivated to crank up another worn out hit song to commemorate the event, with the opening lyrics probably running something like “Goodbye, Pussy Queen…”

breweriana
breweriana
Mar 27, 2020 6:13 PM
Reply to  1of7billion

May have to hide dear Puss in the attic for a few weeks, with adequate supplies of course, until this threat passes. Her name is ‘Anne.’

SteveEss
SteveEss
Mar 27, 2020 6:16 PM
Reply to  1of7billion

lol 1of7b… Enjoyable post…!

So now I’m guessing the net will be cast far wider in the hours & days ahead, with the Official Gestapo Lockdown to now include all 2-legged, 4-legged, 8-legged, winged and gilled creatures alike, without discrimination…

“Another reason to stay in your homes, good citizens… The parks and forests and rivers and lakes are no longer safe!”

“That is your Covid-19 health tip of the day”
🙂

clickkid
clickkid
Mar 27, 2020 6:57 PM
Reply to  1of7billion

If a cat dies nine times ‘with’ covid-19, then you can be sure that the media will record it as nine cats having died.

Jen
Jen
Mar 27, 2020 8:03 PM
Reply to  1of7billion

If any cats that have associated with the Downing St moggie turn out to be white Persians, then we must suspect that international crime organisation SPECTRE and its most notorious representative Ernst Stavro Blofeld are involved in infecting cats with COVID-19 and using them as carrier angels of death.

🙂

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Mar 27, 2020 5:42 PM

I love CJ Hopkins, and read him this morning on Unz, when someone here gave a link. I love Off-G and will send you some money again. You are one of the most important websites in the world at the moment.

However, I have almost given up trying to spread on the internet (word of mouth is no longer allowed), even Official UK Government Statistics and Information, contained here, which I had already seen, analysed and believed myself. No one wants to know that the current latest official death rate, is lower than normal.

I reckon 95% of even intelligent people, have bought the official story hook line and sinker.

Yet it is me, who is taking it extremely seriously, and doing everything I can think of to become as self sufficient as possible in food.

Thank God, I have got a fairly large garden, and a lovely wife, who has volunteered for years to grow food at the community allotments near where we live – now sadly closed down by the local council..

Well, these lunatics will not stop us growing food in our own back garden, unless we get carted off for telling the truth.

By the autumn, we should have enough food to give some away or maybe trade it for eggs.

I’ve bought some fishing gear too.

Tony

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Mar 27, 2020 6:00 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Maybe all these city dwellers should pop down to whatever green spaces are left, enclose them and start growing vegetables too , if they are self employed, they may have some thing to eat by june as well as their first paltry covid money from Sunak to maybe buy some protein to go with their first real meal for 3 months.

Got a pile of bitcoin burning a hole in your wallet Tony?

bob
bob
Mar 27, 2020 5:42 PM

Maybe Boris would be ‘compassionate’ enough to tell us what tests he’s had – were they swabs, bloods or urines – and maybe he could tell us about when they were taken, who did them and their efficacy.

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 27, 2020 6:34 PM
Reply to  bob

Oh don’t ask these questions! Just be reassured that our Boris is quietly doing the manly thing, pulling his socks up, keeping his pecker up and stiffening his upper lip. You unworthy sceptics dare to mock? Don’t you know there’s a war – sorry – pandemic on?

lundiel
lundiel
Mar 27, 2020 7:05 PM
Reply to  bob

The chief medical officer removed his tounge from Boris’ bottom, popped a thermometer in and coughed.

Roger G Lewis
Roger G Lewis
Mar 27, 2020 5:23 PM

https://notthegrubstreetjournal.com/2020/03/27/bill-gates-and-dr-seth-berkley-gavi-outline-how-they-plan-to-save-us-all-covidpurpose-the-real-culprits-heroes-or-zeroes-wuhanandhisdog-coronavaccine-vaccinationcovid19-electrochemistrycovid/ Bill Gates and Dr Seth Berkley Gavi, outline how they plan to save us all. #CovidPurpose The real Culprits, heroes or zeroes. #WuhanandhisDog #CoronaVaccine #VaccinationCovid19 #ElectroChemistryCovid19 Corona Virus cover story for electromagnetic control Grid pt2 . @financialeyes @JoeBlob20 @ClarkeMicah

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 5:13 PM

There are two very separate issues here. One is about the cynical power grab by The Centre and the likelihood of permanently down graded freedoms and rights and Yes! No doubt to flatten the sombrero of popular dissent all over the World. Governments, as always, seize the opportunity to extend their power. It was telling that this one piece of highly complex legislation was 327 legalistic pages long and obviously poured over by clusters of lawyers eager to tighten the bolts, unlike plans to do more tests or provide protective equipment.But that is a separate matter from an illness that is causing disruption, sickness and death around the world. OK governments have seized on it as an excuse if you like but that doesn’t mean the virus doesn’t exist as many seem to think is the necessary response to the power grab.

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
Mar 27, 2020 6:13 PM
Reply to  Paul

The virus exists. I found Prof. Wolfgang Wogart’s explanations to be very helpful. Humanity has been plagued with viruses for milenia, and a portion of them are coronaviruses. These cause the phenomenon known as colds and flu. They go round, make people ill, then people become immune and the virus then mutates and the mutated version goes back round around and repeats the process. In any one flu season, about 100 coronaviruses are circulating. Novel forms keep appearing. The particular coronovirus that is inspiring all the panic is just one of these and by all accounts, despite being highly contagious (not enough immunity in the population yet), it appears to be no worse than the ordinary flu in terms of symptoms and mortality. No, nobody is denying the existence of this novel coronavirus. Many people here are questioning the hysteria that is being raised over it.

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 6:32 PM
Reply to  Tim Drayton

Well it does depend on where you are I think. You never know it might catch up with you yet! I really dislike this slavish following of Trump, what you say is exactly what he says. “No worse than ordinary flu” is a right wing lie being proclaimed in America, Brazil and the UK

Mr K from Tübingen
Mr K from Tübingen
Mar 27, 2020 6:52 PM
Reply to  Paul

I recommend try to not look at every issue with politically tainted specs and maybe you can see The world more clearly. Just because Trump said something you don’t have to immediately reject it. To be honest I feel that is part of the game being play here.

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 7:12 PM

When Trump says it’s just a touch of flu and we must get back to work I’m sorry but I can’t agree.

Mr K from Tübingen
Mr K from Tübingen
Mar 27, 2020 6:57 PM
Reply to  Paul

Moreover my observation is that a lot of people feel superior to other people just by being anti-Trump. In a lot of people’s mind doing anything Trump proposed shows ‘we’ have intelligence. I have long been thinking that’s he role. There are too many people out there wanting to believe they are intelligent and superior and Trump gave them to platform to feel warm inside.

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 7:13 PM

Yes he’s a great man I’m sure – in your eyes. It’s not a universal feeling.

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 28, 2020 5:09 AM
Reply to  Paul

a lot of people feel superior to other people just by being anti-Trump.

QED, I think.

1of7billion
1of7billion
Mar 27, 2020 5:13 PM

I see many people are worried about mandatory vaccines, and I don’t like the idea either, as I think it comes under the category of denial of human rights.

Yes, the authorities could argue that if we catch an infectious disease and give it to others, we might end their life prematurely, but how do we know that if we have the vaccine, it won’t end our life prematurely, just as some people can die out of allergy by eating a single peanut?

I’d like to assure all such people in the following way.

Firstly, I think Boris Johnson is less likely to make it compulsory than a Labour government, like Tony Blair did with the dubious MMR (measles, mumps and rubella) vaccine, which he wouldn’t even admit whether he was having used with his own children (which likely means he wasn’t) while inflicting it by force of law on everybody else’s.

Secondly, I’m not sure any government wants to make it compulsory nowadays, because it might save too many lives, at a time when old people are costing the government a fortune in terms of medical care and care homes.

For the same likely reason, the annual flu vaccine is not made compulsory amongst old people, let alone the general population.

Thirdly, though I’m not a virologist, freely available information says COVID 19 is just one of many coronaviruses or indeed infectious and malevolent viruses in general, and as all viruses mutate into different strains, there’s no evidence that a vaccine that works this year will work next year, or that even if a so called COVID 19 vaccine were developed, it would be effective by that time and not mutated into something else.

Fourthly, even if they did make it compulsory, as it doesn’t seem to be a very deadly virus anyway, it probably wouldn’t do anybody any harm.

It might not even do ANYTHING in fact, as the virus it was designed to terminate, may no longer even be around.

Fifthly, what that means is to administer it to 60 million people would not only be enormously expensive, but may even be utterly pointless, so definitely not cost effective, so unlikely to be carried out unless it is found really soon, and experts think it may take up to a year or more.

As most government decisions are based mainly on money, thus it would be deemed more “prudent” just to let the unwary “virus catcher’s” own immune system decide whether they shall live or die.

Which in reality, is what everybody’s life is like 99% of the time, as most people are not having vaccines against viruses, even partly because, in the case of the AIDS for example, vaccines do not even or may never exist – it’s now 36 years since the HIV virus appeared in 1984 (how topical!) and a vaccine still does not exist – you can rest assured of that without checking, because the subject is so massive as a sexually transmitted disease, it would be front page worldwide news if one ever did.

I must say, it is also highly ironic that there are apparently around 38 million people worldwide “living with AIDS” (that means infected) but strangely, they are not being asked to go into quarantine, they are allowed to do any job whatsoever – work in catering, as waiters or baristas, care workers, medical staff, or with children, and we don’t know who or where they are, and there is no global panic whatsoever about these 38 million people all walking around unidentified with an apparently “killer disease” infecting god only knows how many other people unknown or unknowingly.

And not a word is spoken about it by the mainstream or even non-mainstream journalists.

But a not proven more than averagely dangerous flu type virus is now shutting down the whole world, and half the population is probably ready to shout at anybody who coughs in public and demand they keep their distance and preferably go and lock themselves in their homes.

Funny that, isn’t it?

And do you know how many people died of this HIV virus in 2018 (the most recent figures)?

No, neither did I – 770,000 – nearly a million people.

And we don’t hear ONE WORD ABOUT IT, that there are 38 million people with a deadly virus walking round the streets and pouring our drinks and maybe handling our food, etc, etc. and the public is not being protected from them in the slightest.

https://www.who.int/gho/hiv/en/

It is important to point out by the way, that though it appears sex is the main mode of transmission of HIV, it is not limited to any particular form of sex, so it is very possible the HIV virus can be transmitted to the entire population, regardless of their sexual preferences.

But COVID 19 – which has killed a mere few thousand so far over several months, they are nearly ready to shoot us if we step out in public and don’t keep our distance or dare to go out unless desperate for food or life saving medical supplies.

So when you think about that, I think that a compulsory COVID 19 vaccine is probably the least of our worries.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Mar 27, 2020 6:05 PM
Reply to  1of7billion

Stopped taking you seriously as soon as you wrote

“Boris Johnson is less likely to make it compulsory than a Labour government”.

May Hem
May Hem
Mar 27, 2020 9:56 PM
Reply to  1of7billion

what scares me far more than the virus is what might be hidden in this vaccine – a microchip, aluminium, sterility drugs, etc. if ‘they’ make such a vaccine compulsory, those brave souls who refuse may be prohibited from any pension, health cover, insurance, jobs, entry into various buildings, etc. perhaps be branded across the forehead – or put in the stocks (or modern-day equivalent).

the not-s0-hiddden agenda is control and profit for the 1%.

Watt
Watt
Mar 28, 2020 1:55 AM
Reply to  May Hem

Yes. It’s one thing grappling with their panicdemic and fear porn aimed at your mind, but it’s another to fend off having their juices squirted into your lifeblood.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 28, 2020 12:50 PM
Reply to  1of7billion

Fourthly, even if they did make it compulsory, as it doesn’t seem to be a very deadly virus anyway, it probably wouldn’t do anybody any harm.

Maybe the virus in the vaccine won’t, but it would be the other crap in the vaccine that I would worry about, which is one reason why I avoid the regular flu vaccine.

John
John
Mar 27, 2020 4:34 PM

It’s kind of ironic when you think of Bill Gates(probably not his real name it’s goldberg/stein or equivalent) has promoted “population control” subtle mass murder for a long time so he and his oligarch buddies can have even more, they’re usually all of the same chosen people too in case you didn’t notice with all the mind control they’ve perpetrated since at least 1789 and certainly since WW2. There ain’t no elite space station either like in that atrocious collaborator matt damons movie from a while back, the logical thing would be to get as many people on space ships and get them out of here, kinda like when the “lords” gated off lots of forest in england and put up a lot of barbed wire in the USA. Go elsewhere commoners so we can enjoy our gardens and forests without you and your food/living etc needs. But they have not done that have they.

Thom
Thom
Mar 27, 2020 4:34 PM

And while we’re on the subject of the War on Terror, isn’t it considerate of Isis not to be planting bombs or stabbing people at the moment? They always seem to wait for slow-news days, when the intelligence agencies aren’t too busy.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Mar 27, 2020 6:14 PM
Reply to  Thom

The WoT is over. It was never going to deliver a victory that would see our flag planted in a imaginary Terror Land.

Even as we are diverted and locked down, our bases – planted at great cost and actual massive death and mutilation, including of our Heroes – are being evacuated.

The sacrifice for nothing as it was always for nothing except MONEY for our MIC.

They made trillions out of public funds and now they are making trillions as they have lost and surrendered with their conquest of the ME.

Their unipolar world ENDS with this Martial Laws creation – as we wake up to that 20 year WoT con & the collapse of the asset bubble wiping out most peoples ‘investments’.

Mikalina
Mikalina
Mar 27, 2020 4:33 PM

The Guardian article said “Clap for the NHS”.

Now I loath the privatised conglomerate which feeds off our taxes whilst acting like the terrorist arm of big pharma, but I wouldn’t wish that on anyone.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Mar 27, 2020 4:30 PM

Two new buzzwords are lurking in the air. No, it’s not self-isolation or self-isolate–that’s so old-school. The current soundbites are “denier” and “spreader.” You see, the social influencers have already
transcended questioning all-things COVID-19. Hysteria is the only acceptable zeitgeist. If you doubt the omnipotent unleashed power of the coronavirus to devastate all humankind you’re a “denier.” And if you refuse to obediently follow every authorized personal restriction you’re a “spreader.” The current COVID war found its “new-fangled” terrorists. It’s not brown skinned people in the Middle East or even the coronavirus, it’s those who question authority. Anyone who dares dispute the facts, doubts popular official beliefs, or rejects the hysteria are considered the “newfound enemy.” The challengers of official doctrine are viewed as the terrorists who creep among us.

These are enemies who’ll spread death among the population–stay away you desperado don’t get closer than six feet. By the way, isn’t six feet the legal requirement for burying the dead. So now the living and the dead are separated by the exact same distance.

What an opportune time for a virus to appear and socially distance a volatile and outraged planet. Until the arrival of COVID-19 nothing was able to thwart the tenaciousness of the Yellow Vest Protest Movement. Poverty and genocidal wars never provoked as much mass hysteria as the relentless pronouncements of COVID fatalities. Each cable TV channel has a running “Death-0-Meter.” It’s as if they’re tallying election results. The commentator excitedly predicts which geographic location has the highest death toll and is the official winner. MSNBC and CNN found an ingenious way to use election graphics, instead of citing the rigged election results they now tally deaths…….

Thanatophobia has put the world’s population in-its-place. Every government eager to flex their muscles
are wildly shaking their index finger telling panic ridden populations your autonomy has been eliminated, but it’s all for your own good……….

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 27, 2020 10:58 PM

My favourite so far is ‘Reckless Flouter’.

But all the t-shirt shops are closed … 🙁

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Mar 28, 2020 3:04 AM
Reply to  JohnB

You might to be able to custom print one online. 😊

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 28, 2020 12:02 PM

Will try that, thanks Charlotte. If you’re ok with boomers still wearing t-shirts, that is ? 🙂

Sam
Sam
Mar 27, 2020 11:02 PM

Such a good comment. I saw an article yesterday about virus “deniers” and glanced through nervously to see whether Off-G got a mention. Thankfully not there at least.

As to thanatophobia, which has been in the ascendant for several decades, its eruption all over the globe will have been marked well by all those eager to manipulate us – government “nudge” units, Soros and his ilk, the security agencies, public health nanny staters, decarbonizers etc. I say a curse upon those who wet their pants over this virus and shrieked for ever more repressive “containment measures”.

RealPeter
RealPeter
Mar 27, 2020 4:26 PM

CJ writes: “Macron (now relieved of his Gilets Jaunes problem!) is ready to “rule by decree” if necessary.”

This NOT true! It’s FAKE NEWS!! The truth is that Macron is ALREADY ruling by decree!!! Yes!!!! (OK, that’s enough ALL CAPS SHOUTING and exclamation marks.)

A “state of sanitary emergency” has been declared in France. The opposition is completely supine, “national unity” being the only allowable option. Macron keeps making vapid hypocritical speeches where he repeats that “we are at at war” (with Death, presumably) – exactly the syndrome CJ is denouncing. It’s the pretext for suppressing all civil liberties. So far Macron has closed down streets, beaches, parks and cycle paths in France, not to mention schools, universities, restaurants, bars, theatres, libraries, cinemas and any public place where people can live a normal civilized life. (Tobacconists and vaping shops remain open, fortunately.) He’s closed down open-air markets selling local farm produce from small farmers and left open the big supermarket chains selling industrial junk food and toilet paper so the oligarchs can make a killing (as it were) from the Covid-19 scare.

Anyone putting a foot outside has to carry a certificate stating the reason. You are stopped by police, who don’t wear protective masks because government policies have resulted in a shortage. Fines start at €150. So far over 200,000 people have been fined. A young person sunning themselves on a bench outside a laundromat while waiting for their clothes to be washed was fined for stepping outside the laundromat; a neighbor of mine was fined for going 200 yards down to the local market square to see if the market was on – it wasn’t, but the stall holders who’d turned up, not knowing of the just-decided closure, were ordered to pack up their goods and go home – they had no choice but to throw out all their perishable produce.

The local elections have been postponed between the two rounds (Macron’s candidates lost the first round miserably). Labour regulations have been suspended and employers can force workers to work up to 60 hours a week. Small businesses are going to the wall while big corporations can force their workers to work without masks or other protection – the first Covid-19 death of a supermarket checkout worker, a 52-year-old woman, has just been announced.

The TV news channels are full of what Kit Knightly has aptly described as “fear porn”. The Prime Minister has just said the emergency is “likely to last”. Luckily, as the French MSM are always reminding us, France is the “land of human rights”.

John
John
Mar 27, 2020 5:40 PM
Reply to  RealPeter

Macron is an elite puppet, the French sleepwalking electorate keep voting for trouble, Mitterand, the Zionist Jew Sarkozy, they are owned all the time by corrupt pro Zionist elite guys, and vain megalomaniacs like Mitterand. Democracy is a laughing stock, people are by now everywhere controlled by the oligarchy, structurally they run the Western world, local (national) governments are mostly all subservient, and in as far as they are not, they will be forced into compliance.

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 27, 2020 6:09 PM
Reply to  RealPeter

The Prime Minister has just said the emergency is “likely to last”.

The war on terror – sorry – the coronavirus will not end in our lifetimes.

Incidentally, is an emergency that is “likely to last” not a contradiction in terms?

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Mar 27, 2020 6:20 PM
Reply to  RealPeter

The media haven’t been report the GJ’s.
They work for the bankers.
Macron was their chosen one and by gad they will make him the new sun king even if they have to kill thousands and imprison millions and fine 10’s of millions!

It’s their World and they’ll break it if they want! The grubby populist grass roots will not be allowed to rise again.

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 27, 2020 6:20 PM
Reply to  RealPeter

Tried to find more on the “likely to last” bit and found this:

https://www.samfm.co.uk/bristol/news/local-news/police-stop-calling-999-after-pms-announcement1/

the lockdown will be reviewed every three weeks but is likely to last for months.

So “three weeks” becomes “months”. Hmm I have a feeling that, just to be on the safe side, the lockout will continue for as long as anyone in the world coughs.

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 27, 2020 6:22 PM
Reply to  George Mc

“lockout” shoud be “lockdown”. Then again, maybe I was right the first time?

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 28, 2020 1:57 PM
Reply to  George Mc

voluntary imprisonment?

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Mar 27, 2020 4:17 PM

being out of step with 99.9999999% of humans
and being treated like a potential murderer is NOT my idea of fun!
thank goodness for this site!

is it the site that does the browser checking though? my comp is doing weird things, or the internet is,i often can’t reply, don’t get notifications 🙁 i hope it’s not……

Watt
Watt
Mar 27, 2020 5:15 PM
Reply to  sabelmouse

Hi SM. how does one get notifications, anyway? Kinda new here.

Tony
Tony
Mar 27, 2020 4:11 PM

Revised Tentative Summary of what a few more people are now coming to believe and may possibly be
expecting to occur as time goes on:-

Doubt as to whether any Pure Coronavirus Particles have been reported to date by scientists as being effectively Isolated or that they have been proven to be Infectious –> All Other Potential Causes of the ‘Pandemic’ are either Not Considered or Suppressed by Authorities so the ‘Virus’ alone Fits the Frame –> Increasing Suspicion of Official Version of Events –> Some see it as a ‘Psyop’ – a Socially Engineered & Stage Managed Coronavirus & COVID-19 Distraction Scenario -–> Also to Gauge reaction of Population to Comply with and Obey Social Distancing instructions & Other Controls –>

Easier to Blame Virus & COVID-19 for the eventual On-coming Global Economic & Financial Collapse –-> Implementation of Socially Engineered End Game by Central Bankers & Elite -–> Changes in Economy & Global Financial System-–> Elimination of Many Small Businesses -–> Merger of Corporations & Governments -–> Bailouts of Corporate Debt -–> Elimination of Cash now considered as a Disease Vector –> Potential Mandatory Vaccination Programme –> More Diseases, more Pharma & Corporate Profits –> One World Digital Currency implemented by Central Banks-–> Creation of New Digital Asset Classes -–> One World Army -–> New World Order -–> Global System of Corporate Fascism -–> All Resistance to the Totalitarian New World Order Will Be Futile –>

All opposition will be smashed by means of the Repressive Forces of a Newly Created Global State Apparatus & Security Network with its almost Total Electronic Surveillance Potential.

How many will welcome such foreseeable changes and how many will be against them in this on-going ‘Quiet War’ that up to now is being waged on the global population with ‘Silent Weapons’?

What do YOU think?

Mikalina
Mikalina
Mar 27, 2020 4:28 PM
Reply to  Tony

Who said that you can always rely on one half of the population to kill off the other half?

I think we are entering into one giant Milgram experiement……

Tony
Tony
Mar 27, 2020 6:58 PM
Reply to  Mikalina

Yes Mikalina I remember Stanley Milgram’s experiment well which I saw years ago, and never forgot it. Milgram was interested in determining how far people would go in obeying instructions even if it involving inflicting harm or pain upon them or worse. Also, how even ordinary people could be influenced in committing atrocities.

The original Milgram experiment can easily be found on Youtube. It involved a mock electroshock delivered to a confederate (learner) by unsuspecting subjects recruited for a controlled learning experiment with the experimenter scientist (authority figure) dressed in a gray labcoat played by an actor.

The experiment required the subjects to carry on delivering shocks every time the learner got items on a word list wrong despite the screams coming from the learner. When the authority figure in the labcoat was appealed to by the subjects delivering the shocks, to stop the experiment, they were told “The experiment requires you to continue” and so on.

In a nutshell, after 18 similar type experiments Milgram found that even ordinary people are likely to follow orders given by an authority figure who they believe is legally based, even to the extent of killing an innocent human being.

Watt
Watt
Mar 27, 2020 5:20 PM
Reply to  Tony

I’ve been overnight beeen unable to buy with cash at several still open foodstores and cafes. That’s today 27/03/20. UK.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Mar 27, 2020 6:31 PM
Reply to  Watt

Thatsbeen their long term plan.

Tony
Tony
Mar 27, 2020 8:42 PM
Reply to  Watt

Hi Watt,

It’s all part of the move to digital currency.

Digital currency as you may know is Electronic Money or E-money that exists only as entries in bank records and in the minds of its users. Electronic payment systems are already in use such as Bitcoin, PayTag, Pingit, Google Wallet, PayPal and mobile phone wave and pay.

However, Ecuador has now gone cashless but it is the first national government-run digital cash system that can allow for instantaneous transactions and borderless transfer-of-ownership. Others will soon follow.

Although other countries already have digital currency systems they are not yet state-run. Almost all of Sweden’s currency transactions are digital. In France and Belgium, laws prohibit any cash transactions over 3,000 euros, with Belgium dishing out fines of up to 225,000 euros for violating the law.

We are increasingly being subjected to a financial transaction system which we cannot control. Governments will be able to impound money at will through taxes and “bail-ins.” Cyprus was a prime example of that.

As you may have noticed, the banks are now closing down several of their branches and withdrawing ATMs that makes it harder for people to choose a non-digital cash option over a digital electronic one. In economics this is referred to as “nudging”. If a powerful institution wants to make people choose a certain thing, the best strategy is to make it difficult to choose the alternative and that’s precisely what they have been doing. With the COVID-19 scenario signs are now going up that refuse cash payments (under the ruse that cash spreads the alleged virus) the only thing that the whole situation is spreading at the moment is DISCONTENT among the people!

May Hem
May Hem
Mar 27, 2020 10:17 PM
Reply to  Tony

yes – here in australia i see the signs of a push for a cashless society. no mention of imposing rules for the many off-shore tax havens with their stolen billions. oh no, we must reduce the (petty cash) “black economy”.

and if cash spreads germs, what about all library items, ATMs, computer keyboards, mobile phones, handles, pens, etc. etc. they won’t be even mentioned, of course.

Tony
Tony
Mar 28, 2020 12:20 AM
Reply to  May Hem

Hi May Hem,

Thanks for your valid points regarding the spread of germs via cash etc.

It would appear that if the theory of spreading all those germs is true via cash, then why have they only picked on cash as the cause and not banned nearly every other thing under the sun that people can possibly handle that involves sharing with others? Is it not the same with the coronavirus which they say is the sole cause of COVID-19 thereby excluding all other possible causes. Nice trick!

“Curiouser and curiouser!” Cried Alice!

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 28, 2020 6:24 AM
Reply to  Tony

what about doorknobs? are they going to ban them too?

Tony
Tony
Mar 28, 2020 1:01 PM
Reply to  milosevic

Resistance is futile! All door knobs are now banned by order and you will comply!

Signed the Borg Collective.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Mar 28, 2020 8:59 AM
Reply to  Tony

Supermarket trolleys for one. Must get used 5 times a day at least by different people. All putting their hands on the same place.

CLOSE DOWN TESCOS!

Any POS device where you need to type in a 4 digit ID. Definitely usded 10+ times a day.

LIMIT PAYMENTS TO WIRELESS!

The screen where you touch your wireless-activated debit card (the bottom of your card will have your germs on it, so those germs will end up on the next person’s debit card etc etc.

LIMIT WIRELESS PAYMENTS!

All in all, stop all sales except those that pay Jeff Bezos a royalty.

That POS is still selling the Big Issue in Seattle, after all….

Tony
Tony
Mar 28, 2020 1:18 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Hi Rhys,

I think you well understand how this situation has become absolutely ridiculous yet people don’t have much of a choice than to play the game to avoid fines for non-compliance. We are now having to live in Wonderland Rhys:

“It would be so nice if something made sense for a change.”
― Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

It appears that the only sense around now turns out to be nonsense!

Watt
Watt
Mar 28, 2020 2:03 AM
Reply to  May Hem

Don’t forget ‘news’papers!

Tony
Tony
Mar 28, 2020 1:29 PM
Reply to  Watt

What happens when you run out of toilet rolls due to a short supply? Or they might ban them too if too many people get caught short due to fear of virus contaminated T-rolls! Fear can be a good laxative.

If they ban newspapers contaminated with the deadly virus you are stumped Watt!

Watt
Watt
Apr 5, 2020 7:18 PM
Reply to  Tony

Hi Tony,

thanks for the expansive and informative reply. Much obliged.

cheers!

Watt

Tony
Tony
Apr 5, 2020 8:02 PM
Reply to  Watt

Pleased to have helped Watt and anytime if I can!

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Mar 27, 2020 6:29 PM
Reply to  Tony

Tony, mostly agree except for the idea that THEY have won.

It is more they have lost. They have lost their unipolar, exceptional, single super power, 500 year Imperial conquest and Empire.

The Chinese and Russians stood up and said ‘enough’.
They have gone to the aid of the oppressed invaded peoples and said ‘this far and no further’ and ‘turn round and fuck off back to your bankers halls!

At worst we get a new more benign Empire at best we get a multi-polar world with a genuine INTERNATIONAL rules based order, applied to ALL.

Tony
Tony
Mar 27, 2020 11:38 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

Hi DG,

I didn’t actually say THEY had won, but I can see how what I did say may have created that impression. It is more about what THEY intend to do if THEY are allowed to get away with it, and if the situation is allowed to develop in the direction that it is now going and further repressive measures are introduced what then?

Unfortunately, there are forces at work here that people have no clue about and its bad enough at the moment to try and convince them that COVID-19 is not and cannot be caused by a ‘pathogenic virus’ that’s never been proven to exist let alone be a cause of infection in the conventional medical or biological sense of the term.

People have become dangerously complacent and are more interested in Coronation Street, Eastenders, and Emmerdale or the pub, football , gym, betting shop or bingo and nobody cares anymore about what’s really going on under their very noses. Well, if they don’t wake up FAST then THEY (and not the people) as you put it, will win.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Mar 27, 2020 4:11 PM

Sorry if I sound like a broken record here, but if you want to better grasp why your neighbors are all in panic mode, as if motivated by some “unconscious” fear that you can’t quite see a reason for, become familiar with TMT (Terror Management Theory) which posits that our unconscious fear of death is the primary driver of human behavior. “Unconscious?” I know, how scary is that? We all want to think that conscious, rational thought is what drives and explains human behavior, yet watching our current mass hysteria (and plenty of examples from history) tells us that this is hardly the case.

TMT sheds some very well researched light on the age old question of just how it is that our betters invariably find it useful – whenever their rule might be threatened – to stir up irrational fears of death among we the masses. C.J. is right on the money with this. Fear of “death” is the bogeyman that undermines our current mass hysteria and madness.

http://ernestbecker.org/

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/05/how-the-unrelenting-threat-of-death-shapes-our-behavior/256728/

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fear-death-and-politics/

http://www.transcendentalmedia.com/flight-from-death/

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Mar 28, 2020 9:02 AM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

Gary

None of my neighbours ARE in panic mode. They all seem remarkably calm and sanguine to be honest. Just making the best of a stupid situation. Next door, the children are spending lots of time out in the back garden with mum, dad and other relatives. OK for the middle class, I guess…next door but one, the pensioners are getting out in the garden as much as possible, tidying up their borders and getting the raised beds ready for vegetable planting.

Others I have talked to are walking their dogs, getting their kids out on their bikes.

None show any sign of panic, why not, I have no idea.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Mar 28, 2020 3:18 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Rhys – let’s you and I do a simple poorly controlled trans-atlantic experiment. Perhaps you can suggest to your neighbors that they watch and read only American news reports on coronavirus for the next week – and then let’s attempt to gage their “panic” response to see if it increases or decreases.

To try to make this more “quantitative” and thus more “scientific” we could measure “panic response” by the number to rolls of hoarded toilet paper they have stashed away in their closet now – compared to how many they are hoarding in one week. 🙂

Having been a child during the first Cold War and now having lived long enough to see history repeat itself in the form of 3 years of the Russia-gate based “new cold war,” I dare say a sizable segment of our American population is quite viscerally wired for – “fear.” It’s kind of a “default” setting for many people here it seems.

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 4:04 PM

Coronavirus virus denial is as fascistic as climate denial and designed to keep corporations intact and retaining capital by persuading people it’s just ‘a touch of the flu’. It may seem far away for many but where I live it’s more immediate. I know some 2o people who are sick. Partners spend literally days trying to get them into hospital. Some are sedated and on ventilators. One friend was advised to make Goodbye phone calls to his family last night before being sedated. They know what it means. The other day (Tuesday?) the hospital he’s in announced 21 deaths there. He’s a builder in his late 40’s. The family will never see him again or even his body, just a croaky call. I don’t know how they’d react to people saying it’s just a cold and they should get back to work the shysters.

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Mar 27, 2020 4:18 PM
Reply to  Paul

shills will soon be obsolete given how most sheeple comply.

Watt
Watt
Mar 28, 2020 2:08 AM
Reply to  sabelmouse

Perfect response to a shill or troll,there, SB! Only ever oblique or tangential, never as a direct engagement. Direct communication is their lifeblood. They wish to disrupt and destroy, and will never add to the community.

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Mar 27, 2020 4:20 PM
Reply to  Paul

Oh, don’t worry about the big corporations. They’ll be taken care of just fine: https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-senates-coronavirus-relief-package-must-be-stopped/

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 4:47 PM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

Business will be taken care of and it doesn’t really need it’s workforce back at their machines as early as Trump or Johnson wants. The working class is suffering or about to suffer a health crisis and they, the creators of all that enormous wealth accumulated by the elite is more important than the elite themselves and should be the ones saved. Just a simple choice, Joe Bloggs or Lord Toby Jugg?

JudyJ
JudyJ
Mar 27, 2020 4:23 PM
Reply to  Paul

I apologise to everyone else on here for contravening my own philosophy of responding in a rational, considered way but I’ve got to say it: you’re having a laugh, aren’t you?

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 8:38 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

No. I don’t think Trump or Johnson have got It right about the virus being a minor inconvenience and how important it is to get the workers back at their machines. I think it’s a serious threat to an entire generation of people over 70 who will die 2o- 30 years before their time. Miserable virus deniers and Trumpian fascists are probably counting on the inheritances they’ll receive a bit earlier.

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 27, 2020 11:06 PM
Reply to  Paul

If I’m going to die 20-30 years before my time, I’d like to take you with me.

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 11:41 PM
Reply to  JohnB

Perhaps we could meet to discuss that? I’ll have a surprise for you. I’ve got little to lose and I don’t suppose your miserable life is worth much either.

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 28, 2020 11:07 AM
Reply to  Paul

I’m in Sussex. Suggest a time and place. 🙂

Paul
Paul
Mar 28, 2020 1:23 PM
Reply to  JohnB

Silly bugger

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 4:40 PM
Reply to  Paul

The remarkable lack of compassion for ordinary people is a feature of some Lefties that has always been very unattractive. It is in essence fascism. You don’t believe people are dying? You think they should keep on working and take the risk to keep business going? Virus denial is just something to play with and wind people up about just like climate denial or hard core Brexiters.

lundiel
lundiel
Mar 27, 2020 5:12 PM
Reply to  Paul

I think the whole point is, people, die every day and many of those dying now would have died if they got the flue on top of their multiple illnesses. So, is it worth shutting down the whole economy and risking anything up to a million future deaths (of poor people) through lack of funding due to financial constraints (austerity) in order to save several thousand people who were dying anyway, plus a few apparently healthy people? Definitely yes if one of them is relative, otherwise, probably not. On the other hand “self-isolation” could still be practised by the at-risk while the rest of us caught a mild bug and got on with it.
I genuinely think the advice the world is following is defective, but what do I know? Only that we aren’t wrong or lacking in compassion for questioning the agenda.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Mar 27, 2020 6:15 PM
Reply to  Paul

No one denying anyone is dying. This is the usual black or white mindset that’s very low IQ based.

We just know that you don’t know
And you don’t know that you don’t know

As the old saying goes

People prefer to be fooled than be told they’ve been fooled…

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 8:42 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

A woman I know got into breathing difficulties last night after a week in bed. By all accounts it was horrendous and not helped when her husband phoned for an ambulance to be told he was 400th in the Q Just a local difficulty no doubt.

clickkid
clickkid
Mar 27, 2020 7:06 PM
Reply to  Paul

Sure people are dying…

—-but of what?

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 11:46 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Surprise surprise around here they are dying of a virus called Covid-19. Some of the dying are said to believe they aren’t really dying, it’s just a media trick. Morphine tends to soften anxiety with oblivion.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Mar 28, 2020 9:08 AM
Reply to  Paul

Actually, the virus is called SARS-CoV2. The medical condition is called CoVid19.

Check it out if you want to call me a liar.

By the way, large numbers of terminal cancer sufferers are dosed up on heroin during the palliative care phase. Medical heroin.

We have not shut down the economy for that reason, have we?

They die every day of every week of every month of every year, pretty much.

Why? Cancer is not infectious in the main (although there are a few ‘cancer viruses’ which contribute toward disease), it just occurs with fairly predicable statistical frequencies. It is most common in the elderly…..

Paul
Paul
Mar 28, 2020 12:14 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Once again I’m left pondering what on Earth you are trying to say. Utterly crass to argue because we don’t ‘shut the economy’ for the few cancer patients facing death is a reason why we should embrace this virus in the hope we all catch it. At least you seem to agree with some about that – Trump and Johnson. I was struck this morning about a quote from Bolsonaro that exactly coincides with your weird view. Is he your political hero now? It’s a drastic shift for supposed lefties isn’t it? What is your justification for Bolsonaro? A man not fooled by the media?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 28, 2020 6:40 AM
Reply to  Paul

Lack of compassion precludes one from being a ‘Leftist’ of any real type.

Paul
Paul
Mar 28, 2020 11:33 AM

Blimey! Leftists in your opinion are a very limited group then! Was Lenin or Trotsky ‘leftists’? Presumably not by your definition! In fact it’s difficult to bring to mind any Leftist movement that hasn’t ‘lacked compassion’ in some way or another. Normally they don’t flout it like the Right but in this case it appears Virus Deniers are so keen to prove their point they don’t care about people dying.

Patrick C
Patrick C
Mar 27, 2020 4:42 PM
Reply to  Paul

Really Paul? Then you must tell us where you are because that would be an unusual cluster and perhaps we could help publicize it and get help to you and your friends.

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 4:51 PM
Reply to  Patrick C

NW London. Where are you and what’s the ETA for your area?

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 5:26 PM
Reply to  Paul

Patrick C, you are a creep. You won’t answer the question; you call me a liar and won’t justify your self let alone apologise as I think you should. You should come down to the ER in Northwick Park Hospital and see how many gasping for breath you can convince only have a cold and should get back to work asap.

Paul
Paul
Mar 28, 2020 11:35 AM
Reply to  Paul

Still no reply from Patrick C. He must be busy in his garden I guess or annoying people by hugging them and saying Not to Worry, it’s all a myth, you won’t get ill.

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 4:55 PM
Reply to  Patrick C

The polite word for this sort of comment is ‘supercilious’ I believe. You are effectively calling me a liar in the way climate deniers allege “it’s all made up” and “no you haven’t had a lot of rain, you’re imagining it”.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Mar 27, 2020 6:51 PM
Reply to  Paul

Paul, you are denying the reality that climate changes, often radically, over centuries and millenia and what we are experiencing now is in no way uniquely unusual, it is just not average. Do you remember summers 1975 and 1976 being hot droughts? Well autumn 1976 and early 1977 were incredibly wet, just like this past six months.

Lest you wonder, this winter we had all the rain (and it has not rained much in NW London for nearly two and half weeks now, I live 7 stops up the Met from Northwick Park), California was having one of its driest winters for a while (with January and February rainfall failing), the NE USA had 500 weather stations recording the coldest temperatures EVER recorded and the Arctic Sea Ice is at its greatest extent for 10 years. So the world was in some ways diametrically opposed to our weather.

Our climate is not world climate, never has been. It is very important to us, but what is going on is a radical waviness to the jet streams. That can cause wild swings in weather from abnormally warm to abnormally cold depending if you are north or south of the jet stream track. That has nothing to do with Carbon Dioxide. Go engage with the brother of Jeremy Corbyn, Piers Corbyn, if you do not believe me. Piers is a professional long-range weather forecaster and he really, really knows his stuff.

I recognise many similarities to this winter to 1989/90, a winter I spent in a Swiss ski resort. That winter saw all the early snow washed away up to nearly 3000m by an incredibly mild rainstorm in mid December, then January and early February had absolutely no snow, so all the ski resort was shut. The snow started coming in mid Feb, temperatures remained relatively mild until late March (but we had three metres of snow when it fell so the season was assured), then in April it started snowing down to 800m and kept snowing down that low until 25th April, when I came home.

So the weather patterns of 2020 are part of longer cycles, they are neither unique nor part of ‘climate chaos’, they are just not average.

Climate ‘chaos’ is an industry. The worst thing for climate catastrophists to have to report on is good harvests. They absolutely hate that. I have seen no evidence that growing food in NW London has been affected in any way by the climate since 2014. No way at all. I have added no fertilisers to ground, done no more than 3hrs work a week in the main and often considerably less and the yields get better each year.

You need to spend less time focussing on media tales of woe about climate and ask whether you can use the climate in constructive ways, be that growing fruit, vegetables, flowers, herbs or whatever.

My experience is that NW London climate is just fine for growing things and variations to climate from year to year has had little to no effect on anything, whereas my incompetence has had an effect on the few occasions when I have screwed up.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Mar 28, 2020 1:12 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Take the climate gloves off, guys. How this issue will be integrated into a ‘post-viral’ world remains to be seen, but many future pieces will be dedicated to it, of that I’m pretty sure.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 28, 2020 6:49 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

The prevalence of zoonotic diseases, real or enhanced, must grow as the climate rapidly destabilises, deforestation proceeds apace, and species are forced to migrate, coming more and more into contact with humanity, as their ecological niches move or disappear entirely.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 28, 2020 6:47 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

The conspiracist mindset that sees everything as a plot by the elites is particularly mistaken in regard to anthropogenic climate destabilsation. The ACD denialist industry, we know, is funded in the billions by the fossil fuel interests and Rightwing ideologues, because fossil fuel assets are the greatest pile of real loot on Earth, valued in the tens of trillions, leveraged far greater, under-pinning the global capitalist financial system, and the foundation of the petro-dollar regime that establishes US global economic suzerainty. So, when you buy their lies and disinformation, you are being conned by the very people you claim to oppose.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Mar 28, 2020 7:55 AM

I do not ‘buy’ anything, but I would point out that funding for ‘climate research’ where the answer has already been supplied (namely carbon dioxide drives global warming) is vastly bigger than any money that ‘deniers’ as you call them provide.

The reason everyone can confirm this is by a sample of tenured academics’ research. If the oil industry had all the money, the majority of academics would be doing skeptical research. Actually, 97%+ of them are doing alarmist research, which tells you who the major funders are (IPCC, national governments etc).

We have been asked to desist on this article about climate, so this is my final comment.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 28, 2020 3:03 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Have we though? I thought that to “take the gloves off” meant to really get stuck in!

(Not that I plan to – get stuck in, that is).

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 1, 2020 3:38 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

First of all, the denialist industry IS very generous, and expects denialist results. It’s power in the MSM far outweighs that of science, due to Rightwing ideological solidarity. Climate scientists are paid salaries, and get research grants, nothing more. There is NO result that is ‘already been supplied’, not since Fourier, Foote and Tyndall identified CO2’s role nearly 200 years ago. And the climate scientists’ research is ‘alarming’ to the sane, not ‘alarmist’. I hereby end my contributions, also.

clickkid
clickkid
Mar 27, 2020 4:42 PM
Reply to  Paul

That’s all very fine Paul, but nothing is as bad as transphobia.

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 4:56 PM
Reply to  clickkid

?

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 4:57 PM
Reply to  clickkid

What a load of tossers here!

clickkid
clickkid
Mar 27, 2020 7:09 PM
Reply to  Paul

Stop using hate speech against tossers.

It is a valuable lifestyle. I am sure there was an article in the Grauniad lauding it.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 28, 2020 3:09 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Absolutely. Regular tossing-off is beneficial for the prostate gland, I believe.

There is a good Max Miller joke on this subject, but perceptive O-G readers can work it out for themselves, if they don’t already know it.

Can’t they missus?

lundiel
lundiel
Mar 27, 2020 4:59 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Haha.

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
Mar 27, 2020 5:23 PM
Reply to  Paul

You know 20 people who are sick? Interesting. I know nobody who is sick just now, nor anybody who knows anybody who’s sick. My subjective experience is just as valid as yours.

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 5:34 PM
Reply to  Tim Drayton

It rather depends where you are at the moment. In NW London and around Northwick Park and Ealing there is growing concern. You are like the climate denier saying “we’ll it’s not raining here”.

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
Mar 27, 2020 6:02 PM
Reply to  Paul

Not at all. I just stated that I don’t know anyone who is sick, which is true, but is subjective and unverifiable so it doesn’t really contribute anything towards the discussion. Just like the claim to know 20 people who are sick.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Mar 27, 2020 6:56 PM
Reply to  Paul

It is not climate denial to say that it is not raining here if it is not raining there. What would be denial would be to transpose your experience in Northwick Park onto their experience wherever.

You really need to grow beyond thinking that rain in Northwick Park means the first thing about weather in Kemerovo, in Dar es Salaam, in Christchurch or in Patagonia. It does not.

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 7:19 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

The condescension here is staggering! No I’m not saying anything about the rain fall in NW London but am saying a lot of people in the area are sick and many can’t get into hospital and others are dying. I don’t think any of them are trying to pursue a political agenda. For you that’s not a real problem? If you live locally you must know what’s happening or do you rely on sites like this to tell you what’s going on? My advice is Don’t.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Mar 28, 2020 7:58 AM
Reply to  Paul

Paul, when have I said that people being sick is not a problem?

I have said nothing about that, my comments are about fear porn in the media mostly.

People have been sick every single winter since I was born. The death statistics going back 50 years prove it.

What is new is this controlled lock down of the whole globe for something which simply is not that dangerous.

‘Not that dangerous’ means not threatening the species, it says nothing about its lethality (which is significant, but not game changing).

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 5:45 PM
Reply to  Tim Drayton

“I don’t see it therefore it doesn’t exist” is poor logic and can lead to bad judgements- Watch Out! As a virus denier what do you think the sickness is? Touch of flu? Common cold? Trump leads your pack of looneys just as he does climate denial. He believes the virus hysteria is a left wing conspiracy as do many on this site, amazing as I find it. So I guess you are saying I don’t know 20 people sick, that ?I’m lying through my teeth to promote this leftist plot? Your sort always pussyfoot around the issue, ‘Oh I just think you’re mistaken’. Really? I’m not going to give you their names. One made his last phone calls last night before sedation and a ventilator. I think you live in a fog of ignorance.

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
Mar 27, 2020 5:57 PM
Reply to  Paul

I am afraid you have missed my point. I don’t happen to know anybody who is ill for any reason just now, which is true although this claim is subjective and unverifiable, but this doesn’t really prove or disprove anything any more than your unverifiable claim to know 20 people who are ill does.

breweriana
breweriana
Mar 27, 2020 6:01 PM
Reply to  Paul

“Really? I’m not going to give you their names” How convenient.

You would have to normally, to register the death with the coroner. The record is then held in a public book – the Register of Births, Marriages and Deaths.

If you could not release the information here, then why did you bother to make these unsubstantiated claims, in the first place? You have no credibility, at all.

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 6:35 PM
Reply to  breweriana

I don’t know the names you fool. Look up Northwood Hospital if you will and see if you think there is a problem more serious than ‘just ordinary flu”. Ignorance is bliss I know but one day…

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Mar 28, 2020 7:37 AM
Reply to  Paul

‘Northwood Hospital’ is a different place to Northwick Park hospital, Paul.

Which one is it? ‘Northwood Hospital’ is called Mount Vernon you know.

Or you would know if you knew NW London as well as I do.

Paul
Paul
Mar 28, 2020 11:13 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

My mistake. It’s Northwick Park that is getting stretched. Last weekend they had to declare they couldn’t take any more patients but I don’t suppose you want to believe that either?

Tony
Tony
Mar 27, 2020 6:20 PM
Reply to  Paul

And there we have it. Paul is absolutely unique, as he is the only guy in the world who personally knows 20 people who are seriously ill with CoVid19. And anyone who doesn’t believe him is a Trump supporter.

breweriana
breweriana
Mar 27, 2020 6:25 PM
Reply to  Tony

And he also somehow avoided this ‘virus’ which, he assures us, is really, really bad, and must not be called ‘fake’ or ‘hoax’ at all.

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 6:47 PM
Reply to  breweriana

Brewery you are sick. I live near the hospital in question and already know if I got the illness I wouldn’t be invited to breathe on a ventilator because my risk factors are too high; mid 70’s, heart failure, COPD, cancer and Barrett’s. Maybe I’ll save a special goodbye to the pricks on here who refuse to believe it’s a problem. Now these smart arses will start saying I’m not really mid 70’s etc. that I’m lying to perpetuate a conspiracy of sentimentality against good men like Trump and Johnson. It beggars belief.
,

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 6:50 PM
Reply to  Paul

I appreciate that for many here my demise would be natural and ordinary and therefore no bad thing at all. Better than YOU dying Eh? No doubt they’d add things like ‘you’ve had a good innings’ and you are unproductive and our businesses need supporting. All the tosh that seeps out of these posts.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Mar 28, 2020 8:05 AM
Reply to  Paul

Paul, if you are retired on a secure pension, then it ill-behoves you to tell younger people that their economic livelihood must be absolutely wiped out.

There are going to be people committing suicide because of this economic armageddon. Are they less worthy as human beings than the ones you think are worth saving by crashing an entire economy?

I am not in favour of killing those ill folks, nor am I in favour of crashing the entire economy. I am in favour of following the Swedish/South Korean models, whereby rigorous testing, follow-up of contacts and isolating of the infected goes alongside keeping the economy going on a mostly normal footing.

Paul
Paul
Mar 28, 2020 11:22 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Please stop making up what I am supposed to have said! You fear suicides because of job losses more than deaths through illness? If we had a Govt that would unleash its hidden enormous wealth nobody would be committed suicide. What is the current suicide rate? I don’t suppose you know. Is it going up?

JudyJ
JudyJ
Mar 27, 2020 9:10 PM
Reply to  Paul

Paul

A genuine question that I would like your thoughts on. You mention “I wouldn’t be invited to breathe on a ventilator because my risk factors are too high…”

I have recently done some research on risks associated with mechanical ventilators, of which there are many, and I entirely go along with your statement.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2199002

My question is, being that it would appear that the infected Covid-19 patients most at risk of death are precisely people in your grouping (i.e. age and underlying conditions) and therefore not good subjects for mechanical ventilation, why do you think the Government are placing so much emphasis on purchasing 10,000 extra mechanical ventilators (at about £30,000 each) from Tory donor James Dyson?

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 10:08 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

I really don’t know Judy. I imagine it’s a political trade off with a wealthy donor and Rightwing hero don’t you? It’s the way these people always do business. I can’t say I’m exactly reassured by your speculation that yes if I get it I will probably die. But then few would; what about yourself?

JudyJ
JudyJ
Mar 27, 2020 11:26 PM
Reply to  Paul

Hi Paul,

Thanks for your thoughts, which I agree with.

The way I see it, and this is meant to be reassuring, I personally don’t think there is any more likelihood of you getting Covid-19 or dying from it than if you contracted a nasty flu bug – obviously you’d be better off avoiding that as well as Covid-19. And I certainly think the odds of surviving it would actually be better if you weren’t put on a ventilator so that would be a ‘plus’ for you! 😀 You seem to have the fighting spirit that would get you through! But then I’me not a ‘medic’ so my opinion is of little consequence.

Personally I’m not in the first flush of youth 😉 but I’m not yet in the (more) vulnerable category, either because of my age or my health. I count my blessings. I am grateful in a sense that my 95 year old mother died last year so my brother and I are not in a position of having to worry about her during this time. But it’s because I feel strongly that the Govt are tackling the virus in the wrong way, and by doing so are seriously damaging irreparably the lives of many people with long lasting consequences, that I am keeping a keen eye on events. This includes monitoring the evidence circulating on the Internet which suggests that the matter is not being handled in an entirely scientific way.

Taking the liberty of speaking for many others, we are all genuinely intent on ensuring that whatever steps are taken in the future to deal with this virus are proportionate to the impact not only on people with Covid-19 infection but also everyone else in society who is being affected psychologically, physiologically and economically by the stringent measures.

To achieve this we believe the Government should have the respect and sense of duty to listen to numerous (with numbers ever increasing) internationally acclaimed experts who have vehemently challenged the current control measures (describing them as “grotesque and dangerous”). By failing to do this they risk causing untold damage to society and the country’s economic position. At the moment they appear to be determined to ignore these dissenting views potentially with incalculable consequences, and that is why many of us who comment on this website may come across as stubborn and dogmatic, where in fact we are just pursuing the best outcome for everyone.

Sorry to go on at length but I just wanted you to perhaps get a better feel for where we are all coming from on this. 😀

All the best
J.

Paul
Paul
Mar 28, 2020 12:39 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

Thank you very much Judy for your thoughts, it’s a welcome relief from a very hostile site. I agree totally what you say about the ineptness, dishonesty, opportunism, corruption, laziness and right wing ideology that permeates the Tory party (even though you may not have exactly said that I feel you might agree). But are the controls necessary? I’m no expert but it seems China, S Korea, Vietnam and Hong Kong are ahead of the West in controlling the spread. its not rocket science; quarantine has been part of plague policy for centuries. It’s a matter of tactics really and not really suitable for ideological battles. The only major countries letting it rip are Sweden and Brazil. We’ll have to see how it goes – but thanks for your kind words, I’m an old Corbynite and believe it matters.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Mar 28, 2020 12:50 AM
Reply to  Paul

Thanks, Paul. I and many on here are ‘old Corbynites’ as well! But comparing notes on that would need another discussion ‘thread’ and, if you look back on articles archived on this website, has been covered almost to exhaustion previously!

But you’re right. When it comes to tactical and practical issues of protection of the environment and society we live in, there should be no place for, as you say, ‘ideological battles’ determining policy.

Anyway, that’s me done for tonight. Let’s see what joys tomorrow brings! 😀

J.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Mar 28, 2020 12:25 AM
Reply to  Paul

Paul

So that you can see the type of comments from ‘dissenting experts’ that have been cross-referenced throughout this website over the past fortnight or so and that we think our Govt should at least pay some attention to, I thought you might like to see this article.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/The-evidence-on-Covid-19-is-not-as-clear-as-we-think

J.

Paul
Paul
Mar 28, 2020 12:02 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Thanks I read it. I have to say I’m not surprised that the Spectator should edge towards an Alt-right explanation of events. The Editor is entertaining and eloquent but he is also hard Right as is the publication.

Paul
Paul
Mar 28, 2020 1:45 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

I’d be interested to hear whether there is any other equipment other than ‘mechanical devices’ that could help me? Advice at the moment seems to be DONT go to hospital and arrange palliative care at home. Easier said than done, I can’t see them handing out the morphine willy nilly and it’s very unlikely to happen. The black market might help but almost as hard to access as from the NHS. What would you suggest for Londoners facing a week or so of hard decision? (And please don’t say ‘Don’t Worry it’s all a myth!’ as that’s not washing here!).

JudyJ
JudyJ
Mar 28, 2020 5:01 PM
Reply to  Paul

Hi Paul

My advice to you would be that if you suddenly experience any symptoms that you think are unusual with your existing conditions then contact your GP immediately. They can then advise on whether you need to go to a hospital or can deal with the symptoms at home. They might suggest an anti-viral medication, and I knew someone with similar underlying conditions to you and of a similar age who was provided with a portable oxygen tank at home that they could use if their breathing became difficult.

But only your GP can advise on the most appropriate treatment. If you contact them at the first signs of Covid-19 type symptoms I would like to think that their first suggestion would be self-medication with whatever they prescribe. Hospitals tend to be hotbeds of infection which may be worse for some patients, whatever age, than home rest and medication.

To quote Max Bygraves “Let me tell you a story”. 😀
I am good friends with a couple who used to be my neighbours when I lived elsewhere (not the same person as the one with the oxygen tank). Ian (not his real name) is about 72 and his wife Sheila (not her real name) is 76. Ian had serious pneumonia about 5 years ago and was hospitalised then for about a week; he had tried to battle through an ongoing bronchial problem at home which led to pneumonia. Once in hospital he wasn’t treated with anything intensive: only bed-rest, antibiotics and oxygen through a nasal cannula. Sheila has had recurring cancers since the mid 1980s and last autumn she was diagnosed with what is effectively terminal cancer. She was also born with an inherited syndrome which can compromise heart valves and other systemic functioning.

Both Ian and Sheila suffered for about three weeks over the New Year with what I believe to have been what we now know as ‘Covid-19’. If not, it must have been something very similar. What they had was a text book example of the Covid-19 symptoms – fever, a constant hacking cough, and tiredness brought on by the lack of sleep. When I phoned them Ian sounded awful and could only talk on the phone for about a minute in between coughing fits, but enough to tell me that Sheila was in bed, unable to get up, and had been for a week, and had had to cancel a chemotherapy appointment because she was so ill.

The point I am making is that they both had a history of compromised immunity. They contacted the GP at the outset. Whether hospitalisation was suggested or not – at least for Sheila – I don’t know. But they stayed home, kept warm and dosed themselves up on over- the- counter medications (and maybe a tot of whisky!), and were both back out at quizzes a month after being affected. I am not sure that would have been the outcome if one or other of them had gone into hospital.

So GP’s advice must come first, but recovery from a serious viral bug even for people with weak or vulnerable immune systems doesn’t always necessitate hospitalisation.

I hope you can take some comfort from this tale.

Paul
Paul
Mar 28, 2020 8:37 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Thanks very much. I came to much the same conclusion. Around here people say if you ask for hospitalisation you will end up in the Field Morgue in the Excel Centre. One of 4000 on cot beds in neat lines waiting to die. My bedroom seems more inviting. Interestingly I too became ill in mid January with a cough and serious shortness of breath. A fever was soon making me sweat. I was prescribed my usual dose of 40mg steroid (Pres something) for 6 days and Dioxy an antibiotic (with a longer name than that). A week later I was breathing Ok but weak. At the same time I had an endoscopy that confirmed Barett’s, which has an association with Coronavirus. It seems quite possible therefore I had this virus so if I dont die when I next get ill I might see Christmas! That cheers me up no end! Again, thank you for your thoughts, I can see you have taken it seriously and I’m sorry to give you that responsibility but it’s clear you are a very nice thoughtful woman.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Mar 29, 2020 12:46 AM
Reply to  Paul

Thanks, Paul, it’s very kind of you to say that. It’s a cliche I know but I like to treat others as I would wish to be treated myself. You reap what you sow…and all that.

As far as making Christmas, I have no doubt that you will be around to hear all the old Christmas songs yet again! I can tell you have plenty of fighting spirit 😉 which is to be much admired.

All the best
J.

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 6:40 PM
Reply to  Tony

Well I’ll give up. I’ve never come across such a bunch of condescending hypocrites in my life.

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 6:55 PM
Reply to  Tony

“Only guy in the World to know 20 sick” are you mad? And presumably you are calling me out as a liar? At least it’s straightforward arguing with you virus deniers “you’re lying”. End of ‘argument’.

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 27, 2020 11:14 PM
Reply to  Tony

Personally knows 20 people. But not their names. Yeah, right.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Mar 28, 2020 8:07 AM
Reply to  JohnB

John – putting up people’s names without their consent is hardly the action of a friend.

If you had CoVid19, would you want your name bandied around on blog forums for the whole world to know about?

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 28, 2020 12:34 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Said he didn’t know

    their names. Just after saying he knew 20 people with the virus.

    It’s obviously a troll account, but it’s always fun when the person on the previous shift said something that the current operative misses. 🙂

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 28, 2020 12:35 PM
Reply to  JohnB

Apologies, haven’t got the hang of formatting yet. 🙁

Paul
Paul
Mar 28, 2020 8:48 PM
Reply to  JohnB

Or learning not to call people liars or threatening them with death.

Watt
Watt
Mar 28, 2020 2:20 AM
Reply to  Tony

And…a fool,a staggering condescender, a tosser, a virus denier, a creep, supercilious and so on with the list..hey ho,

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 28, 2020 3:14 PM
Reply to  Tony

And also a climate denier.
Any minute now and we will all be holocaust deniers.

That’s because he knows all about “your sort”.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Mar 27, 2020 6:39 PM
Reply to  Paul

List them Paul – not names – just their basic details age, ailment, and hospital.

I am in North East London and i know not one person hospitalised with covid. I know many elderly and quite a few comprimised who are self isolating- mostly out of fear.

I know one person on chemo who had it a couple of weeks ago, officially tested by the hospital, who sent him home after he had been requested to attend. He has recovered done his 7 days self isolation and is happily hoing to shops now and persuing his chemo treatments.

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 7:07 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

I’m near Northwick Park Hospital and hope you continue to avoid it. Good to hear how your friend is now fit and well. What’s the name? Or are you lying?

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Mar 27, 2020 7:52 PM
Reply to  Paul

His name is Al.
I’m pretty sure I had it when the six nations started. February.
It took me out for a week and i felt ofsorts till about 2 weeks ago.
There is no test available for me to check so am having to keep my distance from friends who are genuinely self isolating from everyone.
I am doing their shopping.

That’s MY real experience.

Will you give me a list of the 20 YOU know?

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 8:47 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

Well Al who? And his dob and address as you demanded of me? I don’t believe you anyway.

V Majithia
V Majithia
Mar 27, 2020 10:04 PM
Reply to  Paul

I did not demand dob’s or addresses thats a bare faced lie as everyone can see. I was actually trying to help you get your message across – that you know 20 who have got it.

Why are you not giving the simple details that does not identify individuals but just gives statistics.

Like this
Al is a male, aged 65-70 lives in E8. He is having chemo.
DG is a male 55-60 in E17. No underlying health issues.

Is that hard for you to do?

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 10:22 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

You demanded the ‘names, age, ailment and hospital’ of the 20 or so people who I know are ill or in hospital. I have no intention of doing that for very obvious reasons of privacy and consent. You Deniers are a bit crazy I think, carried away with the rather fanciful idea it’s “just the flu” and that it’s a media plot to bring in authoritarian government, it’s what Trump and others on the extreme Right believe. In their narrative cleverly they don’t deny the Authoritarian aspect but attribute it to the Left Wing. It’s got little to do with whether or not the Coronavirus is a dangerous disease.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Mar 27, 2020 11:31 PM
Reply to  Paul

“List them Paul – not names – just their basic details age, ailment, and hospital.”

What is wrong with that?

Can you read? “..NOT NAMES..”

I have not denied anything about covid to you.

Why are you making up lies?

Paul
Paul
Mar 28, 2020 12:44 AM
Reply to  DunGroanin

Oh dear this is dreadful stuff!

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Mar 28, 2020 8:01 AM
Reply to  Paul

Paul, if you go on calling people ‘virus deniers’ people are going to start calling you a ‘mincing little poofter’ simply because they do not like your attitude here.

I have no evidence that you are homosexual, nor that you are effeminate. And if you are, I quite frankly could not give a monkey’s, as it is entirely your private business.

I just wanted to call you something that should offend you….and be brazenly unapologetic about doing so.

Paul
Paul
Mar 28, 2020 11:26 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

What on Earth are you talking about!? Jolly brave of you though – what a risk you take in making an anonymous insult!

John
John
Mar 27, 2020 6:07 PM
Reply to  Paul

This narrative of local experience by Paul is the forceful strategy of emotionalism, to force people into compliance. People die all day, thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands throughout the world. Through car accidents and a multitude of other causes. And often they suffer, and they leave behind suffering people. In the UK alone about an average of 1600 people die every day. The personal experience of this individual is none of our business, as you cannot make the suffering of the whole world your business. What is of our business is what is local, what is within our reach, if and when it comes our way. You cannot have compassion with the whole world the whole time, and certainly, compassion cannot be forced, compulsory compassion is fake compassion, it is actually forced compliance.

Notice also how this narrative of local experience by Paul then leads to mentioning climate change denial, Brexit, it is wholly politicized, politicized compassion?

Emotionalism and its disproportionality is what the media feeds on, media have always been about sensationalism and alarmism, this is how they sell. They keep on saying ‘do not panic’, but meanwhile they feed on panic and hysteria, and they always ignore the elephant in the room. And the media are all about ideological agendas, they are owned by elites.

Keep cool and nurture your common sense people, which is your treasure, attend your local business, do some gardening, get some sunshine, listen to some music and or whatever you need to stay wholesome and healthy.

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 6:37 PM
Reply to  John

What a prize twat!

clickkid
clickkid
Mar 27, 2020 7:14 PM
Reply to  Paul

Stick around here Paul. I like a guy with spirit.

By the time we are let out of our cages, we’ll have got you on the right track.

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 8:48 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Well I’d like to stick around that’s for sure! That’s what it’s all about for me and my ilk, don’t you even begin to understand?

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 27, 2020 11:18 PM
Reply to  clickkid

London to Glasgow, just outside Euston ?

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 11:55 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Ah! So Virus Denial is a cult! A weirdly totally irrelevant cult bounding up some lonely path.

John
John
Mar 27, 2020 6:32 PM
Reply to  Paul

The proceeding of this individual reminds me of an occurrence on Facebook.
Some guy posted a meme regarding the remembrance of the Holocaust, basically asking for compassionate remembrance.
A few hours later though he engaged in a violent political discussion about Trump, suggesting that Trump aught better be assassinated. Then a young man pointed out the discrepancy between this asking for compassion with regard to the victims of WWII, and his suggestion for violence.

I am not suggesting there is a call for violence in this particular case, but there is the move from compassion to politics and ideology throughout the thread.

Compassion for living creatures is something you have, or have not, some people have it in certain occasions, other people feel it in in other situations. Some are more sensitive, others are less sensitive. Compassion can only grow by effort of the individual himself. Any compulsion in this area, which is the area of the heart brings about a fake copy of it, a simulation which is merely a matter of trying to demonstrate that you are better than the other, or a matter of forging compliance to what others think you aught to feel, and merely a matter of trying to force others into a political/ideological agenda.

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 6:57 PM
Reply to  John

Good God what bull shit!

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Mar 27, 2020 7:00 PM
Reply to  John

We are actually seeing the same on the BBC right now. All the demands for us to comply on lockdown, but then they run two reports of UK journalists having flown into Italy and Spain to ‘report from the epicentre’.

Excuse me: the BBC needs to set an example. No journalists flying overseas, none in fact travelling 30 miles away. They are simply not essential. The BBC can get local English speakers in Rome and Madrid to report for BBC news. If they cannot get their own house in order, they have no credibility telling everyone to obey or else……

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 8:50 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

You do worry about the most absurd things.

jay
jay
Mar 27, 2020 7:09 PM
Reply to  Paul

The 30 pieces of silver are paid contactless now…

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 11:26 PM
Reply to  Paul

Currently 27 dislike the post. What bastards they are. Think what you are saying for goodness sake. Yes I agree there are coup d’etats taking place across the world taking advantage of the disease. But that’s a different issue from denying there is a virus or that it doesn’t seriously harm some, poor sods who can shuffle off out of the way. It’s all a getup to effect the coups? Put the cart before the horse please. It doesn’t alter the fact that it’s often very painful or even impossible to breath if you get it. Oh Nonsense! you say in that smug way of many committed ‘deniers’ whether it be the holocaust or climate change or Brexit. Fixed mind fanatics in other words. Strangely, almost bizarrely it’s an idea that doesn’t resonate with anybody else. You’re not all SWP are you? Or Californian Cultists? I have used this site for some years and while knowing it’s often very boring pseudo philosophy and academic pretension was lively and progressive. I can’t imagine how it got caught down this rabbit hole!

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Mar 28, 2020 8:42 AM
Reply to  Paul

We had our coup with decembers enthronement of king bozo –
We had it because in June Up-Pompeo promised the American judaeo nationalists a gauntlet to stop Corbyn winning an election

We had it guaranteed when so many postal votes were invented that they are embarrassed to even talk about it and laurakoftheCIA crowed about it.

The junta is running the show and their iron fist is out of their velvet glove.

YOU are a shill for them – witting or unwitting- but just an echo of their message.

You won”t discuss, you will make up crap and not back it. You are discorteous and abusive. You make up rules as you go along lije a vad magistrate or a remote high court flunky judge.

You are part of the gauntlet.

So away you go little shill – we ain’t buying your rotten fish today.

Paul
Paul
Mar 28, 2020 12:06 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

Nasty stuff indeed. You know nothing about me or my politics and it’s amazing how you construct your own image that fits your rather warped view. I can assure you I’m not a High Court Judge either! Weird!

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 28, 2020 7:18 AM
Reply to  Paul

The other day (Tuesday?) the hospital he’s in announced 21 deaths there.

well then, you won’t have any objection to naming the hospital, will you?

Paul
Paul
Mar 28, 2020 11:59 AM
Reply to  milosevic

I have given the name three times now. NORTHWICK PARK. NW LONDON.

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 28, 2020 7:29 AM
Reply to  Paul

One friend was advised to make Goodbye phone calls to his family last night before being sedated. They know what it means.

why would somebody who was well enough to make multiple telephone calls be sedated and connected to a machine? and if the outcome was so certain, why wouldn’t the hospital save the machine for somebody who might actually be saved by it? — since we keep hearing about how there’s such a critical shortage of them, and the doctors have to assign them according to who will most benefit.

Paul
Paul
Mar 28, 2020 11:40 AM
Reply to  milosevic

You’d have to speak to his wife to discover those details but she’s in a devastated state. I can only tell you what happened, not why. It’s sad so many people here are desperate to say No, he isn’t dying, stop making it up. Why so keen to deny it’s happening? Are you saying people aren’t dying?