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Could the Covid19 Response be More Deadly than the Virus? The economic, social and public health consequences of these measures could claim millions of victims

Kevin Ryan

The initial, alarming estimates of deaths from the virus COVID-19 were that as many as 2.2 million people would die in the United States. This number is comparable to the annual US death rate of around 3 million. Fortunately, correction of some simple errors in overestimation has begun to dramatically reduce the virus mortality claims.

The most recent estimate from “the leading US authority on the COVID-19 pandemic” suggests that the US may see between 100,000 and 200,000 deaths from COVID-19, with the final tally likely to be somewhere in the middle.” This means that we are expecting around 150,000 US deaths caused by the virus, if the latest estimates hold up.

How does that compare to the effects of the measures taken in response? By all accounts, the impact of the response will be great, far-reaching, and long-lasting.

To better assess the difference we might ask, how many people will die as a result of the response to COVID-19? Although a comprehensive analysis is needed from those experienced with modeling mortality rates, we can begin to estimate by examining existing research and comparative statistics. Let’s start by looking at three critical areas of impact: suicide and drug abuse, lack of medical treatment or coverage, and poverty and food access.

Suicides and Drug Abuse

According to the National Center for Health Statistics, over 48,000 suicides occurred in the US in 2018. This equates to an annual rate of about 14 suicides per 100,000 people. As expected, suicides increase substantially during times of economic depression. For example, as a result of the 2008 recession there was an approximate 25% increase. Similarly, during a peak year of the Great Depression, in 1932, the rate rose to 17 suicides per 100,000 people.

Recent research ties high suicide rates “to the unraveling of the social fabric” that happens when societal breakdowns occur. People become despondent over economic hardship, the loss of social structures, loneliness, and related factors.

There is probably no greater example of these kinds of losses than what we are experiencing today with the extreme response to COVID-19 and the effects will be felt for many years. The social structures might return in a few months but the economy will not.

Some think that the economy will recover in three years and others think it will never recover in terms of impact to low-income households, as was the case for the 2008 recession. However, if we estimate a full recovery in six years, the effects will contribute around 3 suicides per 100,000 people every year during that time for a total of over 59,000 deaths in the United States.

Related to suicides are drug abuse deaths. According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse, over 67,000 deaths from overdose of illicit or prescription drugs occurred in 2018. This does not include alcohol abuse. Only 7% were suicides and 87% were known to be unintentional deaths largely due to drug abuse caused by depression or other mental conditions. Such conditions can be expected to rise during times of economic collapse and if we estimate the impact due to COVID-19 over six years as being a 25% increase (as with suicides) that projects about 87,000 additional deaths due to drug abuse.

Lack of Medical Coverage or Treatment

Unemployment is expected to rise dramatically as a result of the COVID-19 response and the effect is already being seen in jobless claims. One of the major impacts of unemployment, apart from depression and poverty, is a lack of medical coverage.

A Harvard study found nearly 45,000 excess deaths annually linked to lack of health coverage. That was at the pre-COVID-19 unemployment rate of 4%.

As reported recently, millions of Americans are losing their jobs in the COVID-19 recession/depression. For every 2% increase in unemployment, there are about 3.5 million lost jobs.

The US Secretary of Treasury has predicted a 20% unemployment level, which translates to 12 million lost jobs. If the 45,000 excess deaths due to lack of medical coverage increases uniformly by unemployment rate, we can expect about 225,000 deaths annually due to lack of medical coverage in the US at 20% unemployment. Extrapolating this over a 6-year period would mean 1.35 million deaths.

This assumes that funding for important health-related programs are not further cut or ignored, a bad assumption that means the estimate is probably low.

Beyond lack of coverage, medical services are being reprioritized to respond preferentially to COVID-19, causing less resources to be available for treatment of other medical conditions. The capacity of medical service providers has already been significantly impacted by the COVID-19 response in some areas.

Additionally, clinical trials and drug development are expected to be severely impacted. This means that important new medicines will not reach the market and people will die who otherwise would have lived. There is not yet enough information on the overall impact to medical service provision therefore we will not include an estimate.

Poverty and Food Access

The Columbia University School of Public Health studied the effects of poverty on death rates. The investigators found that 4.5% of US deaths were attributable to poverty. That’s about 130,000 deaths annually.

How will this be affected by COVID-19? One way to begin estimating is to consider how the number of people living in poverty will increase.

Before the COVID-19 response, approximately 12% of Americans lived below the officially defined poverty line. That percentage will undoubtedly rise significantly due to the expected increase in unemployment. If unemployment rises to 20% (from 4%) as predicted, the number of people living in poverty could easily double. If that is the extent of the effect, we will see another 130,000 deaths per year from general poverty.

Although deaths due to poverty are not entirely about food access, it is a significant factor in that category. In times of economic hardship many people can’t afford good food, causing malnutrition and, in some cases, starvation. People also can’t access food causing the same outcomes. Limited access to nutritious food is a root cause of diet-related diseases, including diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and infant mortality issues. A recent estimate suggests 20% of all deaths worldwide are linked to poor diets.

Food access issues will be further exacerbated with the COVID-19 problem due to the anticipated issues with food production and prices. If the COVID-19 response lasts for years as expected, our estimate will need to be a multiple of the 130,000 annual figure. Using the 6-year estimate, we get 780,000 deaths.

Conclusion

The total deaths attributable to the COVID-19 response, from just this limited examination, are estimated to be:

  • Suicides 59,000
  • Drug abuse 87,000
  • Lack of medical coverage or treatment 1,350,000
  • Poverty and food access 780,000

These estimates, totaling more than two million deaths above the estimated 150,000 expected from the virus itself, do not include other predictable issues with the COVID-19 response. An example is the lack of medical services as stated above. Other examples include the EPA’s suspension of environmental regulations. It has been estimated that the EPA’s Clean Air Act alone has saved 230,000 lives each year.

Moreover, the anticipated failure of the US Postal Service (USPS) will lead to more illness and death. The USPS “delivers about 1 million lifesaving medications each year and serves as the only delivery link to Americans living in rural areas.”

Even using these low estimates, however, we can see that the response will be much worse than the virus. The social devastation and economic scarring could last more than six years, with one expert predicting that it will be “long-lasting and calamitous.”

That expert has noted that he is not overly concerned with the virus itself because “as much as 99 percent of active cases [of COVID-19] in the general population are ‘mild’ and do not require specific medical treatment.”

Yet he is deeply concerned about the “the social, economic and public health consequences of this near total meltdown of normal life.” He suggests a better alternative is to focus only on those most susceptible to the virus. Others have reasonably suggested that only those who are known to be infected should self-quarantine.

Some public health professionals have been pleading with authorities to consider the implications of the unreasonable response. Many experts have spoken out publicly, criticizing the overreaction to COVID-19. A professor of medical microbiology, for example, has written an open letter to German Chancellor Merkel in an attempt to draw attention to the concerns.

The real problem we face today is not a virus. The greater problem is that people have failed to engage in critical thinking due to the fear promoted by some media and government officials. Fear is the mind killer, as author Frank Herbert once wrote. Ultimately, the fear of COVID-19 and the lack of critical thinking that has arisen from it are likely to cause far more deaths than the virus itself.

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Admin2
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Admin2
Apr 2, 2020 1:04 PM

Users may notice that some erroneous, anachronous comments are appearing Below The Line, for example from older pieces way back in 2018. The cause is unknown at present, and we are looking into it as I write.

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milosevic
milosevic
Apr 2, 2020 1:29 PM
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at the same time as you are investigating this issue, can you also look into the long-standing problem wherein embedded Youtube videos are swapped around, after being posted?

if you look through the archives, you will find many people complaining about this problem.

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Apr 2, 2020 1:32 PM
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That’s a browser cacheing issue. The correct video is actually there and embedded, but your browser will swap it out for whatever is in your cache as recently watched. The best thing to do is empty your browser cache, clear history and the right video should show up.

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 2, 2020 3:22 PM
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that doesn’t make any sense. the webbrowser won’t substitute one URL with a completely different one, just because it has it cached.
there must be some kind of programming bug, either on the webserver or in the client-side Javascript.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 3, 2020 2:45 AM
Reply to  milosevic

Milo, when you view a YouTube video on Off-Guardian it’s as if you’re viewing it in your browser so if you click the video it will move onto another one after it’s finished. There is no problem with YouTube videos. I’ve tested it.

khursheed
khursheed
Apr 7, 2020 7:35 PM

its amazing how world politicians can be so dumb or evil, whichever way u see it… n the large pharma n other vested int. organisations so greedy as to harm the public who if not brainwashed , often dont have the means or desire to even speak up … but reporters like u make it possible to have more faith that there are ethical people still who care about real health, n the truth in this already collapsing world…’this is a wake up call to more to look at the spiritual aspect of human existence and follow ones instincts in… Read more »

Penelope
Penelope
Apr 5, 2020 7:09 AM

Doctor cited on Ice Age Now says he’s able to resolve shortness of breath from the virus in 4-6 hours with Hydroxychloroquine + azithromyocin (Z-pak) + zinc sulfate. He says 100% success rate.
https://www.iceagenow.info/doctor-reports-100-percent-success-rate-treating-coronavirus-patients/
Dr. Vladimir Zelenko in NY.

Break The Spell!
Break The Spell!
Apr 3, 2020 7:09 AM

Humanity is enslaved. Individuals are not born as slaves, they are born free. They are born in freedom, but as I look around, they are found to be in chains everywhere. People living in chains, people dying in chains. This is the greatest calamity that has happened to humanity. Now it seems, in the name of ‘saving’ all their slaves from the corona virus, which mostly seems to be killing all the elderly with pre-existing health issues. We have become passive victims in a far more sinister agenda, a long planned full global financial collapse, leading to the removal of… Read more »

1of7billion
1of7billion
Apr 3, 2020 1:19 AM

I am pretty sure there will be a lot of bad consequences of every kind from this mishandling of a virus epidemic, and the above analysis seems plausible, possibly even an underestimate. The extent of the damage will undoubtedly be linked to how long these measures continue of course, that is to say, whether this graduates from being merely an exercise in shooting oneself in the foot, to shooting oneself in the head, globally speaking. The question is what to do about it, and nobody seems to have any answers. But consider this. Suppose there were another infectious disease and… Read more »

Peter klimon
Peter klimon
Apr 12, 2020 3:28 AM
Reply to  1of7billion

So your solution is to wreak the constitution? Not a good idea! The problem isn’t the constitution, it is due to The complete destruction of our teaching institutions and family units that have brainwashed multiple generations to hate the very country and families that gave them birth.

Grafter
Grafter
Apr 3, 2020 12:29 AM

Was talking to a very fit Deliveroo cyclist from the gig economy today. Although still employed he told me his normal average daily wage was around £115 pre Covid but was now around £45 per day. Seems those lockdown inhabitants are getting fed up with eating pizza.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 2, 2020 11:50 PM

When I was out on my ‘daily exercise’ session today I met a fellow sceptic. We had a very long chat and exchanged contact details as well as respective sources of information on the Internet. I shall call her ‘L’. (Hi, L, if you see this!) Four of the information sources that L referenced all follow the same theme in terms of explaining “how the coronavirus pandemic came about and how it ties in with an initiative which has been pursued since 2001 (post 9/11) in the US to bring the Deep State to account for all the atrocities committed… Read more »

JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 2, 2020 11:53 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Next two links referenced in my post at 11.50, Apr 2.

Baloo Da
Baloo Da
Apr 2, 2020 10:48 PM

Looks like this site is just controlled opposition. I tried posting some real information on what COVID-19 really is, but the post gets censored.

You will not find real information here, you are wasting your time.

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
Apr 2, 2020 11:11 PM
Reply to  Baloo Da

It had diverted to spam, don’t worry 🙂

Baloo Da
Baloo Da
Apr 2, 2020 10:29 PM

COVID-19 is just project POGO and project ZYPHR playing out. In July 2019 David Goldberg revealed leaked documents in a video: https://www.bitchute.com/video/fP9CIjb6dVia/ Shortly after David was found dead in his apartment. In the video he claims he was “bugged” and monitored. David Goldberg’s Paraphrased Quotes: • “millions killed by engineered virus” • “disguised as flu outbreak” • “winter 2020” • “total financial meltdown” • “they’ve been compiling identities of millions of people online who exceed a certain wrong think threshold. in 2020 they will round them all up and kill them, using the virus as a decoy” • “normally if… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 3, 2020 5:45 AM
Reply to  Baloo Da

This is just one of the multiple stories they push out, this one appealing to those who tend to think the absolute worst of governments (I mean you can see why, of course, but how are they going to manufacture viruses when they can’t even isolate them?). There is zero evidence of a virus at all, engineered or otherwise.

Baloo Da
Baloo Da
Apr 3, 2020 1:23 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I agree that the evidence for the existence of virus is rather weak. However, whether real or imaginary, the effect on the population is the same. Widespread panic and fear. This is good backdrop for execution of draconian plan(s).

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Apr 12, 2020 3:46 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

“how are they going to manufacture viruses when they can’t even isolate them?”

Your OCD doesn’t pay much attention to actuality, does it? I suppose that’s par for course for OCDs.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 12, 2020 4:35 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Robbo, I readily admit to knowing nothing about viruses. You’ll have to argue it out with, Tony. I”m sure he’d be most interested in your evidence that this virus has been isolated. https://off-guardian.org/2020/04/08/coronavirus-fact-check-2-the-emergency-powers-will-only-last-2-years/#comment-143800 You should always ask all those who really insist that any variant or ‘mutation’ of this alleged ‘pathogenic’ Cornavirus physically exists to come up with the original scientific paper that actually demonstrates the FACT, with the name of the scientist who claims to have identified it, when and where at, and who funded the research and then ask how it was isolated with all the full experimental… Read more »

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Apr 13, 2020 1:48 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Your halitosis has reached stupifying proportions. Your long response (of April 12, 2020, 4:35 AM) precedes my short post by a minute. “I readily admit to knowing nothing about viruses […] The only way to prove coronavirus or any of its alleged ‘mutations’ is by the criteria that I have specified…” Anything you can regurgitate that fits (your dementia), right? OK: The announcement, with a dateline of March 12, 2020 (a month ago), is at: https://sunnybrook.ca/research/media/item.asp?f=covid-19-isolated-2020&i=2069 Somebody could print that dateline in 72 point Cooper Black on both sides of a samuri sword and shove it up your arse the… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 13, 2020 10:34 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Somebody could print that dateline in 72 point Cooper Black on both sides of a samuri sword and shove it up your arse the ½” needed to reach your brain, a.k.a. you rectum … I thought OffG readers were here to help promote democracy, freedom (including the very important freedoms of speech and thought) and peace. But it seems not everyone because your words are extremely violent and show great intolerance of others’ views. If it’s just that all this nonsense self-isolation has got to you, Robbo, and you’re stir-crazy I do understand. Nevertheless, I’d ask you to get a… Read more »

Baloo Da
Baloo Da
Apr 2, 2020 10:19 PM

Very intriguing article.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Apr 2, 2020 5:00 PM

I am a former electronics engineer – self taught in analog design. After about 20 years of putting up with dick heads who relied on engineering “degrees”, I concluded that formal education has become nothing more than a glorified pissing contest; wherein experts learn how to nullify facts…
The corona pan-panic is a wonderful example of scientific narcissism married to banker controlled political incompetence…

“Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts.”

– Richard P. Feynman –
(May 11, 1918 – February 15, 1988)

1of7billion
1of7billion
Apr 2, 2020 4:58 PM

It certainly could, excellent article.

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 2, 2020 4:03 PM

“In a headline today the DT informs us that comedian Eddie Large: “died after contracting coronavirus” https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/02/eddie-large-dead-contracting-coronavirus/ If you go to Eddies’s Wikipedia page you read this: “After being admitted to hospital in March 2002 due to kidney problems, he underwent a heart transplant at Papworth Hospital, Cambridge in 2003 at the age of 62, and recovered fully.[citation needed] Large was hospitalised for some weeks in late 2013 after tripping over a road sign near his Portishead home.[9] Large died on 2 April 2020 at Southmead Hospital in Bristol after contracting COVID-19 while in hospital receiving treatment for heart failure.[10]… Read more »

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 2, 2020 8:56 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Clearly the covid19 was incidental to his death.

I notice the mainstream media are all reporting it as a coronavirus death.

There should be Nuremberg trials for these deceitful scumbags.

shitstorm
shitstorm
Apr 2, 2020 9:23 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

You guys have no dignity. We all gonna die. Some day. Sooner or later.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 2, 2020 9:40 PM
Reply to  shitstorm

say what?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 3, 2020 5:47 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

You don’t actually think COVID-19 was present, do you, John?

shitstorm
shitstorm
Apr 2, 2020 3:50 PM

If you wanna hear and promote alternative opinions, hear this. Virus is unfortunately real and will kill a lot of people but it’s not the cause for the collapse of economy. It’s just the pin that bursted the huge bubble or ponzi that had been growing. Printing money will not help. https://youtu.be/32KluX2Bvn8

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 2, 2020 4:42 PM
Reply to  shitstorm

The point is not to “hear and promote alternative opinions”

The point is to find out the truth of what is going on.

I am not so much interested in opinions as I am in facts.

shitstorm
shitstorm
Apr 2, 2020 5:05 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Did you listen to interview I linked? Check facts yourself and form an educated opinion. I’d like to hear yours.

shitstorm
shitstorm
Apr 2, 2020 8:51 PM
Reply to  clickkid

I got your point. Talking about facts, why are you then spreading OPINIONS by these 12+10 experts? How did you fact check those opinions? Can you elaborate on that.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 2, 2020 9:42 PM
Reply to  shitstorm

“Virus is unfortunately real and will kill a lot of people”

is an opinion.

shitstorm
shitstorm
Apr 2, 2020 9:52 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Well, you can check the facts in hindsight. It’s one thing to call something an opinion. Another thing is to bring facts to the table. Gimme some facts. Checked facts. I’m not here to entertain you. Be serious.

JohnB
JohnB
Apr 3, 2020 12:40 PM
Reply to  shitstorm

I’m not here to entertain you.

Good effort though.

Peter Szabo
Peter Szabo
Apr 12, 2020 3:37 AM
Reply to  shitstorm

The facts are in the actual data compiled and compared to relative dates, reports from various experts, public announcements and plain hard research? Do not be so critical. Everyone does not have ability or time to post volumous research for every reply….

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 3, 2020 5:48 AM
Reply to  clickkid

This is an incontrovertible fact:
There is zero evidence supporting the reality of this virus and there is evidence against its reality.

shitstorm
shitstorm
Apr 3, 2020 7:14 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Put the verified evidence to the table.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 3, 2020 7:50 AM
Reply to  shitstorm

In summary: Pre-pandemic events that are difficult to reconcile with coincidence Testing – No evidence that virus strain can be isolated, indications of lying about testing being done Numbers of cases and mortality – evidence of fraudulence of figures ​Patients – alleged patients showing no signs of illness, people alleging miraculous recovery from brink of death by taking anti-malarial, chloroquine ​In-your-face anomalies – Chinese cobra and many-banded krait being reservoirs, empty buildings being converted to a hospital in 48 hours with unconvincing evidence shown, alleged sufferers falling flat on face, laid out on pavement, etc For more detail: https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/blog/coronavirus-hoax-jan-2020 If… Read more »

shitstorm
shitstorm
Apr 3, 2020 9:27 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

One thing I agree. We don’t have enough facts about numerators and denominators. Assume 10 tested positive, 1 dead ->10% mortality. What if another died unnoticed -> 20%, what if 90 positive not tested -> 1%. Assume both true -> 2% etc. etc. Generally, when you don’t know you need to be risk averse and take extreme measures. Otherwise, you’ve gotta fair chances to be f***ed. Then again if the intention is to get everything f***ed, let it roll. I’m not advocating that. And you?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 3, 2020 1:08 PM
Reply to  shitstorm

I pay little attention to the figures because figures can be fudged, made up, whatever … although, of course, it’s good if you can point out they don’t add up or are obviously fraudulent. The visual evidence they present to us of this virus is either obviously faked or extremely unconvincing and that being the case, without any other clear evidence of the virus’s existence, I say it doesn’t exist. The alleged COVID-19 pandemic is obviously a “live exercise” following Event 201, a tabletop pandemic exercise held in October 2019, partnered by the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, the… Read more »

shitstorm
shitstorm
Apr 3, 2020 1:11 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

You outta your mind? There has been 6 exercises altogether (201 + five others) but this is not an excercise or a game.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 3, 2020 1:18 PM
Reply to  shitstorm

5 others? Most interested in them. What are they?

Why is it not an exercise? What’s your evidence?

shitstorm
shitstorm
Apr 3, 2020 1:41 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Like I said before I’m not here to entertain anyone. See piece of evidence below. What’s your evidence that it’s an exercise? None. Guess I’m gonna leave you to discuss and argue these things from your own perspective which is not grounded to facts by any means. Have fun.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 3, 2020 2:58 PM
Reply to  shitstorm

It’s fascinating the way people deny and gloss over evidence. My evidence is on my webpage which I can only infer you didn’t look at, right? All the visual evidence presented for this virus is obviously faked or completely unconvincing and doesn’t add up. Below are a number of patients shown to us for which the evidence of their suffering from the virus is not indicated or contradicts what we have been told about lack of cure for the virus. These are signs it is an exercise or psyop because when they psyop us they always give us the clues.… Read more »

shitstorm
shitstorm
Apr 3, 2020 7:49 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Award-winning singer-songwriter Christopher Cross has been diagnosed with coronavirus. The artist shared the news with his fans on social media. “Dear friends, I’m sorry to report that I am among the growing number of Americans who tested positive for the COVID-19 virus,” Cross announced in a message posted to his Facebook page. “I’m not in the habit of discussing medical issues on social media, but I do so in hope this will help other people to understand how serious and how contagious this illness is. Although I am fortunate enough to be cared for at home, this is possibly the… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 4, 2020 10:20 AM
Reply to  shitstorm

What you have to look at is actual evidence. They can tell us anything. It’s a massive conspiracy. The evidence they show us for sick people is not consistent with sick people and the miracle survivor stories do not add up. They always tell us when they’re psyopping us. Have you looked at my page? Have you done that? Please look at the evidence and don’t just come back with nonsense about this or that person allegedly dying of COVID-19. It means nothing. We have been told many people died of one thing or another and we know that either… Read more »

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Apr 4, 2020 12:22 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

But Petra, people do die. Every day. Thousands of them. There’s no need to invent deaths. All you need to do is take some of the real ones and assign them to a virus they may have or be assumed to have. Sure some of those viral videos are possibly fake, because not many genuine very sick people will bother posting on YouTube in order to tell people to take government advice, but that does not equate to death being a fiction. In fact that is precisely the lie the PTB are subliminally selling, that death is a rarity, an… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 4, 2020 1:27 PM
Reply to  Admin1

Admin1, Apologies, I expressed myself badly. When I said: We have been told many people died of one thing or another and we know that either they died from something else or they their death was staged. … … it might look as though I’m referring specifically to this pandemic psyop when I just mean it with regard to psyops generally. Of course, in this psyop it is the former option that would exclusively (or virtually exclusively) be the case – ascribing cause of death to COVID-19 when the person has died from something else. However, even if there is… Read more »

Peter klimon
Peter klimon
Apr 12, 2020 3:50 AM
Reply to  Admin1

That is a good supposition. My research indicates they have been taking normal deaths such as pneumonia and lumping them under Covid-19 on a grand scale. Very easy validate by simply comparing total deaths to prior stats. Overall deaths are same or even lower which should be an increase if coved-19 was new and rampant. This avoids having to verify details and is fairly accurate. Basically as you sugggested they are simply taking other deaths an calling them Covid-19 deaths.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Apr 12, 2020 4:12 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

“90 year-old Washington grandmother makes miracle recovery from “death’s door”, potato soup being her secret weapon […] if potato soup and chloroquine have not been scientifically proven to help sufferers shouldn’t the media be warning viewers?”

Misreporting? Should read “chicken soup” and “hydroxychloroquine”?

shitstorm
shitstorm
Apr 3, 2020 1:21 PM
Reply to  shitstorm

There have been stories claiming that the coronavirus isn’t changing rapidly. It is. Only about 1,000 genomes have been sequenced worldwide, so there is a lot we are missing. Even so, according to Nextstrain.org, a site that tracks viral genomes across the planet, the virus is mutating 1,000 times faster than influenza viruses and 36,000 times faster than measles (see graphs below). Very few people, with the exception of people like Trevor Bradford, an associate member at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center, few people are honestly discussing why, how, where, and what this means for the future. RNA-based viruses… Read more »

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Apr 12, 2020 4:01 AM
Reply to  shitstorm

“You outta your mind?”

Yes.

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Apr 3, 2020 3:29 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Petra, you might try asserting your obsession to dan, who curates ‘The Lifeboat News’: a frontline doctor in a London hospital, currently at home recovering from a violent flu-like illness, after working full-time unprotected with ICUs full of seriously-ill people. Try explaining to him that he’s hallucinating it all; or to us why he’s obviously a disinformation plant. His wife has had the same illness, but has recovered. Go on P, I dare you! But beware: dan has been getting quite tetchy even with the overall questioning stance of Off-G, since to him, the obviousness of a serious epidemic outbreak… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 3, 2020 4:24 PM

Rhisiart, You make false claims about me. I do not assert. I make claims based on evidence, OK? I always make claims based on evidence or where that doesn’t apply logic and reason. My claim is that the alleged COVID-19 pandemic is a psychological operation for which I present compelling evidence on my webpage. https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/blog/coronavirus-hoax-jan-2020 This does not mean that I do not deny a serious flu going around or any other illnesses. A friend had a serious flu last year and had to go to hospital. I wouldn’t be in the least surprised if all the BS rules in… Read more »

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Apr 12, 2020 3:58 AM
Reply to  clickkid

‘The point is not to “hear and promote alternative opinions”’

Our remit, as we see it, is to provide a home for the comment – & the facts – you no longer find in the MSM. –Off Guardian

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 2, 2020 2:05 PM

Almost Ten Million Americans have lost their Jobs in the last two weeks.

https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/shocking-9-million-americans-have-now-filed-unemployment-benefits-lockdowns-began

Link title is wrong – 9.948 Million have filed jobless claims.

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 2, 2020 3:25 PM
Reply to  clickkid

won’t somebody please think of the childrenelderly???

SteveK9
SteveK9
Apr 2, 2020 1:14 PM

Sorry, forgot the link … worth watching all of these videos, I think.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmFDE8P6_M-C4HTOuWwm4Dg

SteveK9
SteveK9
Apr 2, 2020 1:13 PM

US deaths might be more like 15,000-20,000. But, the damage has been done. The economic, and social consequences will be with us for years, and cause far more ‘extra deaths’, than the virus, if it doesn’t completely rip apart the social fabric. It’s very easy to make people afraid. This will be one more tool in the box for controlling you.

Ken Kenn
Ken Kenn
Apr 2, 2020 1:08 PM

A very thought provoking article. Th CV has only exposed what was already inherent in the Capitalist System ( particularly the Anglo Saxon model ) and obviously added to it. Even in the Uk where healthcare is free – the media and politicians -charitees etc use a phrase full off misleading meaning: ” Cold Related Deaths ” as if it was nature’s way that poorer people cannot afford to keep their houses and themselves warm between October and march each year without fail. These are people who live in terrible houses anyway with no insulation and damp running up and… Read more »

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 2, 2020 1:36 PM
Reply to  Ken Kenn

” Cold Related Deaths ”

I suppose that would apply to Scott of the Antarctic.

Agree with you.

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 2, 2020 11:48 AM

Willem,

you have made the claim that at least some ICUs in the Netherlands are full.

I don’t know about NL, but a number of countries make information on ICU occupancy publically available.

Can you find that info for NL, or give me an idea how to find it?

What we then have to do is to compare it to previous times and years – ie see if it is anomalous.

Cheers!

Willem
Willem
Apr 2, 2020 5:26 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Thanks for asking, and apologies for not giving this info (I was too busy with my ‘own data’), which is there. It’s all in Dutch, hope that is not a problem This is for today https://www.rivm.nl/sites/default/files/2020-04/Epidemiologische%20situatie%20COVID-19%202%20april%202020.pdf Especially the last pages are interesting Page 17 is about IC units: currently 1200 people are admitted, while NL has 1100 IC beds (but upscaled to 1600) Page 18 is about the PCR positives. It follows what I have been seeing: with an unchanged triage system you find First weeks pcr positives 15% Last week pcr positive 30% Now: between 25-30% (maybe a trend… Read more »

Willem
Willem
Apr 2, 2020 5:46 PM
Reply to  Willem

‘ What we then have to do is to compare it to previous times and years – ie see if it is anomalous.’

Agreed. I will look for that, and then especially for the 2017-18 flu season.

What I found was that Dutch ICs were during that flu season overburdened too, but these claims were non-supported with numbers.

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 2, 2020 7:39 PM
Reply to  Willem

Dank u wel!

jay
jay
Apr 2, 2020 11:26 AM

My Comments and replies to the Ironically titled: ‘We need the Dunkirk spirit… time is running out’: Francis Crick Institute chief urges Boris Johnson to overrule control-freak public health chiefs and scale up mass testing across Britain TroflimLysenko, Stalingrad, United Kingdom, 20 minutes ago Spanish flu came just after WW1, people were malnurished, starving, ill and weak. There has not been anything since because there have been no similar circumstances. This ‘pandemic’ is thusfar only taking 1/15 of the deaths of a badish flu year. The deaths are being overstated, people are dying with it, not of it. Wehaveallhadenough, London,… Read more »

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 2, 2020 11:03 AM

A formulation I’ve often read or heard goes something along these libes:

‘He was diagnosed as having the virus’ etc

This is a misuse of the word ‘diagnosed’.

Only somebody who has clinical symptoms can be diagnosed. If a particular virus is found in someone, then that by itself does not constitute a ‘diagnosis’.

Even when someone presents with clinical symptoms, then they are diagnosed with an illness – not a virus.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 2, 2020 4:42 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Clickkid you’ve got me thinking now. Two years ago, someone I worked with had a really serious and prolonged bout of chronic chest problems and pain. She is of the minimum wage category of citizens in the UK so the NHS tend to be contemptuous of such people. It was not CV-19 – it was a recurring problem over the previous two years but this episode was causing severe problems. She was working a ton of overtime to pay the bills in a cold, hostile environment (an extremely badly run warehouse), was doing everything in the house because of a… Read more »

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 2, 2020 9:06 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Good point.

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 2, 2020 10:36 AM

I have been posting about how way overblown this thing is on a couple of mainstream sites in the last week or so.

I have noticed over the last couple of days that people are increasingly receptive to that message.

Let’s not forget that considered just in economic terms, that there are many, many losers from these draconian measures. Those with lost jobs, diminished incomes and destroyed businesses.

As we gradually mone out of the initial ‘Netflix and popcorn’ stage of this crisis, they are the natural constituency for the message of sanity.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 2, 2020 10:42 AM
Reply to  clickkid

There has been an underlying suspicion amongst many people right from the start. It was worded in discrete murmurs and “jokes”. But I think there is bound to be an increasing receptivity as the weeks go by. So expect a huge wave of demonisation – the usual conspiracy phobic rants. Only this time backed up with a moralist outrage over “putting lives in danger”.

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 2, 2020 10:59 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Yes, the ‘hoax argument’ is, whatever you make of it, a non-starter for ‘normal people’.

What they can get their heads around is the concept, as elucidated here, that the economic cost of the measures taken, together with the resulting death and suffering, is completely disproportionate, and that therefore a rational strategy consists of protecting the vulnerable, rather than putting everybody into lockdown.

I also hammer home the distinction between dying ‘of’ the virus and dying ‘with’ the virus.

People are getting it.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 2, 2020 11:12 AM
Reply to  clickkid

It truly is astonishing how so many people have no grasp of socio-economic matters. They are focussed on the virus and how it is “killing so many” etc. As for normal social activity, they just assume it will return just the way it was, and it will be back to the soaps and the beer and the fags etc. That people need to make money, need jobs, need services just doesn’t register with them – or they think it all will just work out OK anyway.

JohnB
JohnB
Apr 2, 2020 3:14 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Let’s not be slagging off beer and fags, George. 🙂

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 2, 2020 3:32 PM
Reply to  JohnB

evidence suggests that long-term consumption of “fags” is one of the primary risk factors for severe respiratory illnesses such as this.

a cynical person might observe that impoverishing millions of people, for the alleged benefit of a minority who ignored decades of warnings about the toxic effects of their drug habit, is somewhat unfair.

JohnB
JohnB
Apr 2, 2020 6:27 PM
Reply to  milosevic

evidence suggests that long-term consumption of “fags” is one of the primary risk factors for severe respiratory illnesses such as this. evidence suggests putting everyday English words unnecessarily in quotes is some sort of NLP, milo. 🙂 ‘severe’ – evidence, links ? 🙂 a cynical person might observe that impoverishing millions of people, … by growing tobacco in my back garden ? get out of town. … who ignored decades of warnings about the toxic effects of their drug habit from the slime who’ve brought us covid19. A tad surprised you take the word of health agencies and governments as… Read more »

Paul2
Paul2
Apr 2, 2020 7:15 PM
Reply to  JohnB

Legal cases covering radiation from polonium 210 in tobacco led me to stop in 2003 after smoking for over 20 years. More cases came out after that as referenced in the link, but I seem to remember a lot of it came down to choice of fertilizer. Also lots of talk off gag orders I recall from the reading I did back then, especially around the legal cases in Israel but this is a good overview for anyone interested in another corporate travesty that should be more widely known. “Waking a Sleeping Giant: The Tobacco Industry’s Response to the Polonium-210… Read more »

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 2, 2020 4:44 PM
Reply to  George Mc

George Mc – yes – also, they need to quantify the so called ‘putting lives in danger’ into reliable, confirmed stats.

Kate
Kate
Apr 5, 2020 10:26 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Unfortunately, George, most people don’t get the fact that, by conceiving and giving birth to them, their own parents are “putting their lives in danger”.

Jane
Jane
Apr 2, 2020 5:37 PM
Reply to  clickkid

You couldn’t get more mainstream than the Mail on Sunday or Good Morning Britain where Peter Hitchens is doing his best. The comments generally agree with his point of view, though not all. The other day there was a man complaining that his 85-year old mother, who suffered from dementia, leukemia and diabete, would die if she caught coronavirus so he had given up his job to look after her. I commented that at that age with three serious illnesses the common cold would probably finish her off. My comment wasn’t published no doubt because it sounded too callous.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 2, 2020 9:08 PM
Reply to  Jane

Very true though!

Nimrod
Nimrod
Apr 2, 2020 9:19 AM

A very lucid and totally coherent analysis.

“The real problem we face today is not a virus. The greater problem is that people have failed to engage in critical thinking due to the fear promoted by some media and government officials.”

I couldn’t agree more.

Gall
Gall
Apr 2, 2020 8:21 AM

What ever happened to the Hippocratic Oath? Especially “do no harm”. Now it seems like the Hypocrites Oath. The “cure” worse than the disease. The operation was successful but the patient died.

I assume if they are running 24/7 about the “deadly” coronavirus that there is something else more sinister going on.

crank
crank
Apr 2, 2020 9:02 AM
Reply to  Gall

From Twitter somewhere:
‘To kill a fly we are burning down the house’.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 2, 2020 9:40 AM
Reply to  crank

Why does that immediately conjure up an image of Sergei Skripal’s house? 😀

Gall
Gall
Apr 2, 2020 10:58 PM
Reply to  crank

ROFLMAO!

CantMakeThisStuffUp
CantMakeThisStuffUp
Apr 2, 2020 7:13 AM

Is your meth contaminated with coronavirus? Some police departments will test it for you
(CNN) – Some police departments are putting out fake warnings that illicit drugs could be contaminated with coronavirus in an effort to make drug arrests.

“Please bring the drugs to the police department and we will test them for free,” Atlantic Beach police posted on its Facebook page on Friday. “If you’re not comfortable coming to the police department, we will send an officer to your house and they’ll test your illegal drugs in the privacy of your home! Please spread the word!”

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 2, 2020 11:34 AM

I take it that was put out on April 1st.

CantMakeThisStuffUp
CantMakeThisStuffUp
Apr 3, 2020 4:03 AM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Nope, early March.

fred
fred
Apr 2, 2020 3:47 AM

Anti-Vaxxer Biologist Stefan Lanka Bets Over $100K Measles Isn’t A Virus; He Wins In German Federal Supreme Court “The judges at the German Federal Supreme Court (BGH) confirmed in a recent ruling that measles virus do not exist though. Furthermore: There is not a single scientific study in the world which could prove the existence of such virus so far. ” — The science on this is hard to understand, so at first he lost the case in lower court, but in higher court he won the case. Take note that the pro-vaccine websites only report his initial loss, they… Read more »

SteveEss
SteveEss
Apr 2, 2020 1:36 AM

I dunno… This article has a shaky foundation to begin with, and far too many estimates/projections to juggle competently all at once… Obviously the answer to the title query is “Yes!” I’m not even gonna argue about the base premise of 155,000 cov-19 caused deaths… Nor the four critical areas of impact… I’ll play along… But when the author extrapolates it all out using a mysterious multiplier of 6 years (it’s as if he plucked it out of thin air!), I’m out… “Some think that the economy will recover in three years and others think it will never recover…” So… Read more »

SteveEss
SteveEss
Apr 2, 2020 1:37 AM
Reply to  SteveEss

Sorry Off-G, no offense meant…
You can’t hit a home run every time…😊

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 2, 2020 3:51 AM
Reply to  SteveEss

Agree with what you say, Steve.

Kevin Ryan is a fake 9/11 whistleblower and this piece is a bit of priming propaganda. See my comment below – https://off-guardian.org/2020/04/01/could-the-covid19-response-be-more-deadly-than-the-virus/#comment-137929.

Greg Bacon
Greg Bacon
Apr 2, 2020 7:40 PM
Reply to  SteveEss

Tell me oh wise one! From Jan 1 to March 20 of this year, how many deaths were from COVID and how many from seasonal flu, world-wide?
21,297 from COVID and 113,034 from seasonal flu.

Guess we better lock down the entire planet every flu season?

https://www.worldometers.info/

Stop falling for the fear mongering. The Deep State and its rabid pets, the CIA/MI6/Mossad are trying to get a war on with China, don’t let them lie to us like they did after 9/11.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Apr 2, 2020 5:09 AM

Thanks for the link Louie. If I run out of toilet paper I’ll be sure to print your article.

Gall
Gall
Apr 2, 2020 8:25 AM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

Looks like that article is what’s on used toilet paper. Thanks Louis for more verbal diarrhea.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 2, 2020 6:09 AM

If you’re intellectually honest and courageous you will answer these questions. If not …

1. Do you believe that people can be miraculously cured of COVID-19 by the anti-malarial chloroquine as alleged by this 52 year-old “miracle survivor” who was “gaspin'”, “at the brink of death” and thought his “days were done”?
https://youtu.be/8QGXpeo2V9w?t=74

2a. If not, why do you think the media is publicising this story without issuing warnings?

2b. If yes, can you explain why you believe that?

jay
jay
Apr 2, 2020 6:24 AM

You called someone a ‘truther’, you’ve still to explain what you mean by this, thanks.

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 2, 2020 8:11 AM
Reply to  jay

Yes, I want to know what you mean by that also.

A drive-by comment about ‘truthers’.

The word ‘truth’ generally has positive associations.

So, yes, Louis, what do you mean by ‘truther’?

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 2, 2020 9:36 AM
Reply to  jay

“Truther”, “conspiracist”, “Assadist”, something called the “Baathist Amen Quarter” etc. They basically all mean “bastards”,”bastards”, “bastards” and “bastards”.

Reg
Reg
Apr 2, 2020 10:15 AM
Reply to  jay

The thing that baffles me about Louis and others of his kind is: what do they want out of life? What is it that they’re working towards? Presumably they are human beings with human emotions, sentiments, desires, wishes and, I suppose, decency, right? They have children and they want to see these children grow up in a world that’s not wracked with cynicism, misery and despair, I should think. So do they actually get up in the morning, see everything around them in flames and go: “Yeah, I fucking love this! How can I help to make it even worse?”… Read more »

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 2, 2020 12:22 PM
Reply to  Reg

“Thas nowt queerer than folk”

Yorkshire saying.

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 2, 2020 2:15 PM
Reply to  Reg

What seems to be the motivating force in Louis and his band of brothers?

— they’re crypto-zionists, that’s what. that’s why they shill so hard for the destruction of Syria by the CIA’s drooling Wahhabi death squads, and the 9/11 false flag event that provided the pretext for the destruction of Iraq.

http://www.columbia.edu/%7Elnp3/mydocs/jewish.htm

Jane
Jane
Apr 2, 2020 6:01 PM
Reply to  Reg

You have to feel sorry for Louis. He writes long articles several times a week and never gets more than about five comments maximum. He must be jealous of sites like OffG. Interestingly, I read somewhere that he only started writing for Counterpunch around 2011, coinciding with the start of the war in Syria, and the subsequent decline in the quality of what appears in Counterpunch, of which he is now one of the editors and which I no longer read. I know for a fact, because I have contacted them, that the journalists Diana Johnstone and Rick Sterling received… Read more »

Waldorf
Waldorf
Apr 2, 2020 7:56 PM
Reply to  Reg

Proyect is as far as I can make out an ex-leftie who hates the left, and tends to reinforce the current dominant ideas in society. Perhaps it’s lucrative, I don’t know. Poachers turned gamekeepers etc.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 2, 2020 8:23 AM

More proyectile vomiting from the alleged unrepentant ‘marxist’.
And you have the gall to call this site ‘conspiracist’ and full of ‘truthers’.
Look in the mirror Louis. Pot. Kettle?
I have a policy of ignoring your deluded rants, but this time am making one exception.
What a truly vile, repulsive peice of work you are. By the way, have you apologised to Vanessa Beeley yet?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 2, 2020 8:41 AM

Louis Proyectile and the salafist head-loppers-happy bed-fellows.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 2, 2020 9:33 AM

Your article isn’t total bollocks, Louis. The bits where you quote Peter Hitchens and Piers Robinson are good.

giordanobruno
giordanobruno
Apr 2, 2020 2:06 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I find some fascinating stuff on this site but also stuff that stretches credulity.
But it would help if comments explained why this Louis is wrong rather than just throwing abuse in his direction. That only makes it appear to the casual reader (me) that he is speaking uncomfortable truth.

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 2, 2020 3:42 PM
Reply to  giordanobruno

what uncomfortable truth was he speaking? it’s just the usual guilt-by-association BS these people always employ, because they have no rational argument.

giordanobruno
giordanobruno
Apr 2, 2020 8:32 PM
Reply to  milosevic

I’m only saying from reading the commenting policy;

‘BE POLITE. We understand debates get heated and we accept a certain degree of colourful language can creep in, but empty ad hom or extreme personal abuse is strongly discouraged.’
Now I haven’t visited this site much so maybe that policy is not really enforced but the replies to Louis are definitely full of gratuitous ad hom.
And it tends to make the casual reader wonder why it is necessary and why it is allowed.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 2, 2020 8:53 PM
Reply to  giordanobruno

Ah Louis is always so civilised and polite – as here: https://louisproyect.org/2015/06/08/a-reply-to-cult-leader-david-north-on-an-american-first-strike-on-russia/ Note first of all that the grotesque photo labelled “David North” is not in fact David North. Now note: If the CP was syphilis in Trotsky’s eyes, this tiny group is not much more than a case of the crabs. The SEP (Socialist Equality Party) described as “the SEP-tic group” and further described as a sideshow, a freak show to be more accurate, that only exists because David Green is a cockroach capitalist who can afford to pay the staff that blindly follows his diktat. What sorry scum… Read more »

giordanobruno
giordanobruno
Apr 2, 2020 9:25 PM
Reply to  George Mc

So they are allowed then? Ok!

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 2, 2020 10:07 PM
Reply to  giordanobruno

Ask Louis.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 2, 2020 6:05 PM
Reply to  giordanobruno

Well let’s just put it this way Gio – when a Marxist (and an unrepentant one at that) continually dishes up views that are indistinguishable from the government line and the mainstream media then I smell an enormous rat.

giordanobruno
giordanobruno
Apr 2, 2020 8:24 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Well then if this site is making the same argument as far right sites as Louis says should you not also smell a similar rat?

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 2, 2020 8:58 PM
Reply to  giordanobruno

I certainly do – and it’s Louis again. This time with the old guilt-by-association. If Off-G agree with something Peter Hitchens said, that does not make them Tories. But Louis indiscriminately slaps on these labels anyway.

giordanobruno
giordanobruno
Apr 2, 2020 9:32 PM
Reply to  George Mc

‘when a Marxist (and an unrepentant one at that) continually dishes up views that are indistinguishable from the government line and the mainstream media then I smell an enormous rat.’
‘ If Off-G agree with something Peter Hitchens said, that does not make them Tories.’

Surely it would be better just to address the actual views rather than tying yourself up in knots trying to second guess people’s motives?

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 2, 2020 10:08 PM
Reply to  giordanobruno

Again – ask Louis.

giordanobruno
giordanobruno
Apr 2, 2020 11:33 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Ok thanks George.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 2, 2020 11:04 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I smelt an enormous rat about Louis ages ago. Repeated DDoS attacks on this site didn’t work.
Perhaps someone has sent out instructions for their gatekeepers to stick the boot into OffG? Throw mud so to speak.
My first rule of thumb is that any alleged ‘socialist’ or ‘progressive’ who is regurgitating establishment propaganda is neither, and a big red flag goes up with me.
Again, refer to Udo Ulfkotte and his revelations about bought journalists. Same applies to alleged ‘left figures’.

Waldorf
Waldorf
Apr 4, 2020 9:53 AM
Reply to  George Mc

I have encountered his writings on other forums and as far as he is concerned people who disagree with him are fools and knaves. I suspect a personality disorder of some kind. If he is that unpleasant in personal life he is a lonely individual indeed.
Mind you, keyboard warriors are often fairly meek in person – they have to be as this is the way to avoid getting beaten up.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 3, 2020 5:54 AM
Reply to  giordanobruno

Giordano (not your real name right?), I posed a perfectly civil question to him that he didn’t answer. A person with any intellectual honesty and courage always responds to questions that challenge their beliefs. Of course, he certainly isn’t the only one who doesn’t answer questions inconvenient to their beliefs. The people who do not answer questions inconvenient to their beliefs are far greater in number than those who do, unfortunately.

giordanobruno
giordanobruno
Apr 3, 2020 5:20 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Petra I don’t see any issue with your questions and he should try to answer them.
Other comments seemed to be pretty much ad hominem so I was just wondering about whether dissenting voices are tolerated.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 3, 2020 11:58 PM
Reply to  giordanobruno

I receive quite a few ad hominems on this site myself, giordano, and if you look at Louis’s website you’ll see he delivers them too. His last comment on Piers Robinson’s recent article was pretty antagonistic – https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/28/the-propaganda-of-terror-and-fear-a-lesson-from-recent-history/#comment-134817). I think Louis invites ad hominems by his own antagonistic attitude whereas it seems I invite them merely because of my evidence-based claims that contradict people’s beliefs, the most notable one being that death and injury were staged on 9/11. People really take umbrage to that even though it’s the only thing that makes sense if 9/11 is an inside job –… Read more »

Trots-R-Us
Trots-R-Us
Apr 2, 2020 5:38 PM

I visited your site for the first time Louis. I noticed on the right-side panel you have a list of articles shown under the heading of “blogroll”

Trots-R-Us
Trots-R-Us
Apr 2, 2020 5:42 PM
Reply to  Trots-R-Us

The strikeout text function is not showing clearly above, so let me absolutely clear now:

blogroll bogroll”

RobG
RobG
Apr 2, 2020 12:45 AM

The western media’s propaganda campaign against China has started to reach a fever pitch over the last few days. This is probably why…

https://www.brecorder.com/2020/03/17/580793/pakistan-china-and-russia-decide-to-conduct-trade-in-local-currencies-skip-dollars/

The rapid collapse of the petrodollar is a wonder to behold. The psychos will now, of course, try to start a world war against Russia and China.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Apr 2, 2020 1:32 AM
Reply to  RobG

Thanks for sharing that link Rob.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 2, 2020 12:02 AM

I fail to understand why the fundamentals of what is happening are not faced square on. The alleged COVID-19 pandemic is a massive psychological operation (psyop) sharing hallmarks such as ridiculous stories of “miracle survivors” and other obviously deliberate nonsense that they push out in their psyops. We knew from Day One with the alleged Chinese cobras, many-banded kraits, pangolins, foxes, bats and hedgehogs being a reservoir, people falling flat on their faces, people laid out in the streets and on hospital floors, empty buildings said to be converted to hospitals within 48 hours with unconvincing visual evidence provided, etc.… Read more »

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 2, 2020 1:26 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

This would all be “faced square on” if it were not the case that the “authorities” (NWO), along with the western governments they have infected far more insidiously than any CoVid has done, have an interest in manipulating the crisis to conceal their past, present and planned misdemeanours under its cover. For example: 1. Government insisting upon carrying on as if real money existed, despite the current financial chaos resulting from the fact that it doesn’t. 2. Governments anxious to see Julian Assange die as soon as possible (of “Corona”?), without wishing the charge of outright murder to be on… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 2, 2020 2:20 AM
Reply to  wardropper

I’m really baffled wardropper at how people do not understand certain fundamentals of psyops. When it was first explained to me I had no doubts because the evidence clearly fitted what was explained. I’ll go through them and pose questions that I’d appreciate your answering the last question after mentally going through the first eight. Psyop characteristic 1 They always give us the clues in such things as ridiculousness, eg, the second plane popping out of the South tower, terrorists popping up alive and in the case of COVID-19, the Chinese cobra and the many-banded krait being reservoirs, people being… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 2, 2020 4:13 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Just one more question, wardropper.

Does the notion that death and injury were real on 9/11 feel more comfortable to you than the notion that they were staged?

If yes, why do you think that might be?

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
Nov 16, 2018 8:49 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Hudson has it. The Right are Evil.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 2, 2020 8:32 AM

Erm, I’m getting a bit confused now, but welcome back Mulga. You may have seen above, Proyectile has written an article on his blog labelling OffGuardian a ‘conspiracist site’ full of ‘truthers’ and ‘deniers’ etc, then comes on here providing a fecken link to it.
I’ve just given him a few home truths (I normally ignore his rants).

Ishmael
Ishmael
Apr 2, 2020 8:43 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Gezzah-this is a faux Mulga, pinching his best lines. Great artists steal, but this is a mere dauber.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 2, 2020 12:56 PM
Reply to  Ishmael

Ishmael… just noticed that comments made in Nov 2018 (see date on MM’s) are being posted on this story and on the new story on CIA propaganda. One of my comments I made in Nov 2018 appears on this thread. How odd.
Yeah, I already know who Mulga is… but my lips are sealed.

Ishmael
Ishmael
Apr 3, 2020 11:05 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Regretably, I must report that Mulga died of alcoholic liver disease and dementia pugilistica, some time ago, in a Vatican cellar, down among the dead Popes. The poor Devil scratched out one final message to humanity, but it was quite incoherent, alas. I sent a wreath, of hemlock, deadly nightshade and poison ivy, as custom dictates, and his body, worn out by care and woe, has been interred somewhere in the catacombs.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 2, 2020 1:07 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Gezzah

Look at the date of Mulga’s post! There is something odd going on with the site. Historic posts are being (seemingly) randomly inserted into discussion threads. Admin are onto it.
J

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Apr 12, 2020 4:37 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

“Look at the date of Mulga’s post! There is something odd going on with the site.”

Bugger. I didn’t check. So excited, I just thought the fun times had returned.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 2, 2020 5:03 PM

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Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Apr 12, 2020 4:31 AM

“Mulga Mumblebrain”

It took COVID-19 to revive you? The ammonium carbonate didn’t work?

“Hudson has it. The Right are Evil.”

Downtown Welsh paraphrase: “Tories are vermin. –Nye Bevan.” Talmudic dependencies removed.

Germs Bond
Germs Bond
Apr 2, 2020 4:31 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

1) How do you fake things so well that there are no clues that it was not real? 2) That is gross. 3) Perhaps they didn’t want an identifiable body. Agreed it proves skullduggery but not necessarily that no one was killed. 4) Personally no evidence but how did they bring down the buildings without killing the occupants? What reason do you have for stating that the buildings were unoccupied when when it would be natural for them to be occupied at that time? 5) It was a staged terrorist attack that is the point of it. 6) Psychopaths staged… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 2, 2020 5:08 AM
Reply to  Germs Bond

3. It doesn’t prove no one was killed, true, however, it favours the always two-part psyop hypothesis, “staged and they tell us it’s staged ” over “real”. “Staged+tell us” fits perfectly whereas for “real” we have to wonder why they showed us this fake body. 4. They brought down WTC-7 completely evacuated so why not the twin towers? As the plane crashes were faked the smoke we see in the buildings could have been confined to empty floors (or similar) so whatever they did to fake the alleged crashes they could have ensured had no impact on any people in… Read more »

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 2, 2020 12:55 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Don’t get me wrong – I think that 9/11 stinks to high heaven, and I have never doubted that it was in some way an “inside job”. However, what do you say about the people leaping to their deaths from the burning buildings?

i.e. There definitely were some deaths.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 2, 2020 1:28 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Dummies, Mike. Russ Winter’s article, World Trade Center’s Infamous 91st-Floor Israeli ‘Art Student’ Project, explains how Israeli students engaged in an “art project” on certain floors of the North tower, removed windows and took photos from helicopters. While we can infer that anything to do with Israelis at the WTC serves as propaganda both to distract from the primary culprits and to make the bombing of the buildings containing all those people more plausible with outsiders doing the dastardly deed, we can also see how the “art project” would have provided the footage of the jumpers to be inserted into… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 2, 2020 1:48 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

And just to add that the footage above would have been taken at another time. No doubt there was masses of pre-recorded footage in the “9/11 story”.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 2, 2020 6:30 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Petra the key words are I****i students. Dubya used this to invade Iraq for its oil and then went on to destroy prosperous Middle East countries who were turning against the petrodollar. Students or a Mo***d operation? I know which one I believe it is.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 2, 2020 11:26 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

See how good the propaganda is, Jo? I’m speaking of them as art students without quotation marks when obviously yes, Mossad.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 2, 2020 1:33 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Also, Richard Drew, the photographer of the so-called Falling Man which appeared on the cover of Time magazine, just happened to be behind Robert F Kennedy when he was assassinated to capture photos of that historic event – amazing coincidence, no? https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a48031/the-falling-man-tom-junod/ So brazen. He’s in the Hangman position. Interestingly, this person who’s into tarot talks about the Hangman position of the jumper. She doesn’t believe it’s an inside job so it’s interesting how she recognises the position but just thinks it happened naturally. https://www.thechannelling.co.nz/blog/911-and-the-tarot

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 2, 2020 2:29 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

— she claims that they were 13-foot tall dummies tossed out of the windows by deep-state operatives, so as to fool the public into thinking that people died, whereas nobody actually died throughout the whole operation.

no kidding, that’s what she actually thinks. or at least pretends to.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 2, 2020 11:28 PM
Reply to  milosevic

You are lying, milo. I recognised my mistake many of your lying comments on this ago. Please never refer to the 13-foot dummies again. I will reference this link and point to it each time you lie about it.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 2, 2020 5:16 AM
Reply to  Germs Bond

Forgot to respond to your response to Q1. Huh? What I’m saying is that, counterintuitively, they actively don’t fake things so well and yet they can still fool us. That’s the paradox. They give us the clues that they’re fooling us – big ones, in fact – and yet we are still fooled. And this is not to mention the anomalies that occur naturally. So clever, no? I mean you gotta hand it to them, although really they don’t deserve much credit – the technique has been passed down through the centuries and I mean they get zero resistance from… Read more »

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 2, 2020 6:10 PM
Reply to  Germs Bond

Germs Bond, you are right – the USA do not have any value at all for human life, none at all. Just look at their justice system. Winston Churchill (a charlatan and idiot) said something true, he said the mark of a civilised society is how it treats its prisoners. Well, just look at the USA prison system. It’s rank. However, you ask the right questions and that’s not to say that Petra is wrong. What is a fact is that the adjoining buildings to the World Trade Centre which housed high level Government officials appeared to be all empty… Read more »

Greg Bacon
Greg Bacon
Apr 2, 2020 7:42 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Are you a CIA/MI6/Mossad asset or do you just like to scare the hell out of people?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 2, 2020 11:46 PM
Reply to  Greg Bacon

As soon as I saw the name first name Greg in my emails I knew it would be Greg Bacon, firefighter or alleged firefighter, and good old controlled opposition. The oldest trick in the book, isn’t it, Greg? The controlled opposition calls out either other controlled opposition as controlled opposition to bamboozle people or they accuse the genuine people such as myself. Perhaps you can explain, Greg, why the Firefighters for 9/11 Truth and Unity webpage looks as pathetic as it does, considering 343 firefighters allegedly died on 9/11 while the Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth is so damn… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 3, 2020 12:29 AM
Reply to  Greg Bacon

Oh, and Greg, perhaps you can explain the molten metal running down the “channel rails” that Philip Ruvolo and his mates are talking about in this otherwise excellent video made to the song, I Believe in Miracles, by Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (it was clever and also nice of them to pay respect to David Ray Griffin’s “miracles” theme). It wasn’t molten metal at Ground Zero was it? https://youtu.be/71fwKA9Udso I see Philip was in the film, Collateral Damages. They love connecting their events don’t they? “Collateral Damages” about the poor first responders suffering after 9/11 and “Collateral Murder”… Read more »

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
Apr 3, 2020 1:58 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

This is getting very off topic. Would you mind steering it back round to deal with the issues ATL? Thanks. A2

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 3, 2020 2:38 AM
Reply to  Admin2

Sure. I really only wanted to make the point that Kevin Ryan is a 9/11 fake whistleblower from which we infer an intelligence asset and thus his article, as detected by George Mc, unaware of that fact, is priming propaganda. SteveEss also noticed strange extrapolations made in the article. My other comments on the subject have simply been to others replying to my comment. And, of course, one is very much obliged to respond to controlled opposition accusing one of being an agent oneself and certainly to make the point resoundingly so it doesn’t look as though one is simply… Read more »

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Apr 3, 2020 10:18 PM
Reply to  Admin2

And way off world, into Petra’s lavishly upholstered delusion-world. Skip over it, like me.

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum
Apr 2, 2020 12:00 AM

With the massive increase in gun purchases in the US, there will inevitably be an increase in gun violence and fatalities.
We can be sure the paramilitary police forces are locked and loaded.

JohnB
JohnB
Apr 2, 2020 10:39 AM
Reply to  Fair dinkum

Tish. Evidence/link ? This is as credible as a government covid19 prediction.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 1, 2020 11:30 PM

Title: COVID-19 Virus Conspiracy? Deceptive Agenda, Censorship, : Part 5 – Dr. Rashid A. Buttar

Worrying signs of YT censorship. If you find a worthwhile YT video, try to save it before it disappears.

Cicatriz
Cicatriz
Apr 1, 2020 11:47 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Torrent them, too, if you’re okay with that kind of thing.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 1, 2020 11:50 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Mike I’ve watched Parts 3 and 5 and it is compelling stuff. I don’t feel in a position to comment on whether it is truly plausible (there are others far more astute than I am). Dr Rashid Buttar has what would appear to be a dodgy professional record but that doesn’t necessarily mean that what he says isn’t true. For the benefit of others I suggest they watch the broadcast labelled Part 5 first as it puts everything in context and is the latest update. Basically Dr Buttar is saying that Covid19 is a hoax on a massive global scale… Read more »

Doctortrinate
Doctortrinate
Apr 1, 2020 11:21 PM

The Covid Reaction – an Electronic Stitch-up.

Microsoft founder Bill Gates announced on March 18, 2020 during a “Reddit ‘Ask Me Anything’ session” that he is working on a new, invisible “quantum dot tattoo” implant that will track who has been tested for COVID-19 and who has been vaccinated against it.

Gates is simultaneously working on the ID2020 Certification Mark, which according to pymnts.com utilizes “immunization to serve as a platform for digital identity”.

https://savedmag.com/bill-gates-quantum-dot-digital-tattoo-implant-to-track-covid-19-vaccine-compliance/

[repeated text removed. A2]

Doctortrinate
Doctortrinate
Apr 2, 2020 1:21 AM
Reply to  Doctortrinate

Cheers – A2

Gall
Gall
Apr 2, 2020 8:31 AM
Reply to  Doctortrinate

Gates reminds me of geekier version Rockefeller. Who will save us from our “saviors”?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 1, 2020 11:20 PM

The devastation of small businesses will allow the parasite controlled hedge funds and vulture funds, being so generously funded by the private banking cartel the Federal Reserve and the bankster slum-lord Mnuchin, to buy them up wholesale on the cheap, just as they bought up millions of residential properties on the cheap after the 2008 controlled demolition of the economy. Disaster capitalism, the highest form of parasitism, at work, driven by insatiable greed and millennial hatred and contempt for others.

Okulo
Okulo
Nov 17, 2018 6:17 PM

I supported Scottish independence and campaigned for it but nobody in the SNP could or would answer any questions on three topics, currency, monarchy and the EU. I had done my homework on currency and I probably know a hell of a lot more that 99% of Scots about what they believe to be Scottish money and the issue of the monarchy was just catnip for hypocrisy amongst those who claimed to believe in Scotland as a nation (as opposed to Scottish nationalists, of course). Those points aside, the topic of EU membership was parried like Bruce Lee sweeping aside… Read more »

Grafter
Grafter
Apr 2, 2020 1:06 AM
Reply to  Okulo

Unionist troll.

jay
jay
Apr 2, 2020 10:50 AM
Reply to  Okulo

Divorced from our English brothers and sisters so Nicola could jump into bed with Stasi Annie and Jupiter Macron…
The silent majority rejected the SNP kool aid for the very reasons you pointed out and we will do so again. Nicola knows this, she and the faux tartan clowns would be finito. The cries every 5 minutes “referendum, referendum…” are a canard, a distraction from their many failures. Even the most dense SNP Amadan is begining to realise the truth.

The SNP is done. It did stand for something once upon a time, now it is just for clowns and degenerates.

paul
paul
Apr 2, 2020 3:38 PM
Reply to  Okulo

If the SNP were serious they’d just go for independence by salami tactics.
Keep getting more and more powers and then they’re de facto independent.
My theory is that Salmond wasn’t actually all that interested in independence.
He was quite happy to have a 3rd option of more devolved powers on the referendum paper.
It was Cameron who insisted on a binary option.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 2, 2020 5:04 PM
Reply to  Okulo

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Guy
Guy
Apr 1, 2020 11:08 PM

This article is a moderate analysis of projected numbers ,unemployed,suicide and death due lack of healthcare .
Right now it does not bode well for an economic return to yesteryear .It might be a very bum by ride going forward.
At the very best ,we can hope that this economic depression coming straight for us all will be a turning point in the economic/political system that has brought here to start with.As the covid19 is probably just an excuse to crash a system that is no longer functional.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 1, 2020 11:02 PM

Much appreciate this Kit, and everything OffG has done on this. I also noted the warning from Dr Sucharit Bhakdi in his video the other day. It’s now over 5 days since I had any income. I was selling The Big Issue mag in Australia (after my factory job was sent to China) We have been told all mag operations are suspended until further notice. I know of other New Zealanders who arrived in Australia in the last few years – and none of us are entitled to any welfare in Australia. Perhaps over 200000 Kiwi’s plus all the overseas… Read more »

jay
jay
Apr 1, 2020 11:50 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

People are being bribed in the UK to ‘enjoy their confinement’, paid 80% of their wages. I think many will have difficulties, much of the provisions appear half-assed. Not all businesses will be protected…not all jobs They could be corona free but on the streets. People do not know the horrible, one sided gamble that has been made for them. Until you have faced that, they are clueless. I have hit rock bottom, on the street…Thank Christ, He helped me. 340000 homeless on the UK streets, Boris cares, sure. 1000 died last year. 20000 froze to death. I’ll thank God… Read more »

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 2, 2020 12:13 AM
Reply to  jay

I know Jay…. ‘walk a mile in my shoes’. You were on the streets? That would have been so tough, especially in the UK (winter time). Did you ever sell The Big Issue or do odd jobs or anything? I’ve never actually been on the streets, but have come very close few times. The politicians only care about your vote at the next election. Just found out then have been given a 3 month rent freeze from the housing organisation I’m with, then saw your reply. Right now I’m grateful and humble for anything that helps. Appreciate your reply Jay😁

jay
jay
Apr 2, 2020 6:42 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Sometime ago, my relationship collapsed. I was in court (my own stupidity) then released with a warning, they’d lost my shoes. So there I was walking about town with no shoes, no where to go. By providence, my father had came and found me. I still don’t know He had heard or how He found me. We had fallen out a while back. So, I did ‘face’ homelessness and I was on the street but only an afternoon. I was mindless back then, eating hash and had fallen into degeneracy. I have changed a lot since then, I did my… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
Nov 17, 2018 7:27 AM
Reply to  jay

What a ‘Good German’ you would have made, from 1933-45. The race hatred is palpable.

Ishmael
Ishmael
Apr 2, 2020 8:53 AM

Well this punch-drunk, former boxer and night-soil carter is not the original. What jolly japes to steal another’s nomme de folie, and their words too.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
Nov 17, 2018 10:19 PM
Reply to  Ishmael

And the RAPIDLY worsening ecological collapse of the planet means that, after a decade or two, there will NEVER be another UK ruling regime of ANY colour.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 2, 2020 4:51 PM

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Toby Pierides
Toby Pierides
Nov 19, 2018 11:26 AM
Reply to  Ishmael

I would love to know which workers’ rights are to be thrown on any bonfires. I work in IT and the offshoring model has totally decimated the job prospects of many people I know. Their jobs are deemed “redundant” but then they are illegally replaced by a much cheaper and less experienced (usually Indian) worker who is given a slightly different job title. Are these the protections we need to preserve???

JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 2, 2020 4:51 PM
Reply to  Toby Pierides

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JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 2, 2020 9:56 AM

??? Clearly not meant to be here, Mulga/Admin.

The date is a giveaway for one.

SteveEss
SteveEss
Apr 2, 2020 12:32 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

I immediately ignored the reply, you didn’t… Nice catch, Judy!

JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 2, 2020 1:03 PM
Reply to  SteveEss

Steve

Cheers. I see there are many more posts appearing from old threads – Admin are onto it. There is a whole string of them further up this thread (apologies for the mixed metaphors!). I don’t know whether they all appeared at once or are infiltrating more and more.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 2, 2020 1:24 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Hi Judy… Your comment you just posted hasn’t appeared on my phone yet, so just replying via this one. Very odd… Comments by Mark and Mulga from Nov 2018, and a comment I made to someone called Brian Thompson on Nov 18th 2018….appears on this thread! I think there were a couple of others I spotted also. Little green men? Struck me as quite odd… Regards the lockdowns, I think we’re in for a long haul down here. Still on Stage 3. Boredom reigns, and no, I havn’t got a dog to walk! The suburb I live in is a… Read more »

JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 2, 2020 4:52 PM

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Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 2, 2020 7:02 AM
Reply to  jay

Good Morning Jay😁… I like your comments, aye. Was just going back thru the last few stories on the Coronavirus.
Been coming on this site over 1.5 years, and never seen so many comments!
I can relate to parts of your reply, and have been thru the ringer myself so to speak.
I fully agree with you that it’s important to have faith… In a God, in a Higher Power, in something greater than ourselves. Especially in times like now.
I hope your day goes well, take care.

Ishmael
Ishmael
Apr 2, 2020 8:55 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Gezzah, the ‘Mulga Mumblebrain’ materialising here is a plagiarising phony-the real Mulga died of embarrassment some time ago, and resurrection is not expected.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 2, 2020 2:31 PM
Reply to  Ishmael

Ishmael… yes, correct, that Mulga from 2018 is no longer, finished, gone to that great pseudonym heaven in the sky…. But a.. And that’s all I can say.
As I said, my lips are sealed. Sorry😁

jay
jay
Apr 2, 2020 10:41 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Many thanks.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 2, 2020 6:46 PM
Reply to  jay

Jay, interestingly enough, I thank God also that I am housed. Lord Melvyn King – the former head of the Bank of England was on a Forum this morning with a couple of other financial bodies. When asked about Sunak’s financial intervention he said it was too complicated, too m any thresholds and too many restrictions. It should have been far more simple. Yet, Sunak has not made necessary changes to Universal Credit that would result in early payments, simpler assessments and proper rent payments although I have to say, he has made some changes to it to raise the… Read more »

RobG
RobG
Apr 2, 2020 12:21 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Gezzah, these are worrying times, but I for one remain optimistic. The coming weeks and months are going to be very difficult (to put it mildly) because the world is going through a major reset and life will never be the same again; but it’s a reset that badly needs to happen, and after the initial turmoil I firmly believe that things will settle down for the better, mad fool that I am. At least you’ve got a little bit of a cushion behind you. A very large number of people have next to nothing and will be left totally… Read more »

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 2, 2020 12:55 AM
Reply to  RobG

Merci Rob…. I hear what you say, and appreciate your feedback. Right now, I wouldn’t mind being in a little village near Montauban, but my reality is I’m in a City of 5 million in the Southern Hemisphere.
Millions in United States are only 1 paycheck away from financial disaster.
I also believe there will be major civil unrest and riots as people become really desperate. And really hungry.
The Gilets Jaunes have given all of us a truly inspirational example of what can be done when people unite together…
Cheers Rob

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 2, 2020 7:59 AM
Reply to  RobG

don’t forget to sharpen your pitchfork.

for those who bittorrent:

https://yts.mx/movie/one-nation-one-king-2018

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 2, 2020 6:50 PM
Reply to  RobG

Hi Rob, pitchfork to hand, geared up to join civil unrest. Long live the Revolution. Liberte, Fraternite, Egalite!

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 2, 2020 8:22 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Thanks for the personal contribution Gezzah.

Any possibility of joining with other Kiwis there on a collective basis, in order to achieve something?

Best Wishes.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 2, 2020 9:57 AM
Reply to  clickkid

Thanks C😁. Yeah, there’s a Kiwi run social welfare group in Melbourne specifically dealing with Kiwi’s in Australia (Melbourne) who have lost jobs (with no access to Govt welfare benefits) or who are homeless. I think there’s a NZ social group as well, but to date have been busy out selling the mag, and have done well enough with it that I havn’t needed any assistance. I have had offers of help from a few of my Aussie customers tho. But you’re right…. the old adage: United we stand divided we fall. I do need to reach out to other… Read more »

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 2, 2020 6:38 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Gezzah, here in the UK I too have been laid off but my employers, being decent people, have written to me saying when this is over they will reemploy me as they were very happy with my work. I have put a claim in for Universal Credit and it has taken me a week of day to day continuous telephoning to get through on the phone to arrange an appointment. I had to hold for 4hrs today to achieve this but at the end of the line was a really nice young women who sounded really demoralised as they were… Read more »

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 2, 2020 10:17 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Thanks for the reply Jo. As you pointed out, the Govt in Australia is made up of a far right pentecostal Christian, Scott Morrison as Prime Minister and some Cabinet Ministers who are, to be blunt, complete psychopaths. Apparently, last week NZ Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern rang Morrison pleading to him to help Kiwi’s stuck here, and from my understanding he has refused to lift a finger and said ‘New Zealanders need to find their own way home’. I have avoided the MSM filth as much as possible, so don’t know if that situation has changed. My passport expired last… Read more »

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 3, 2020 6:12 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Hi Gezzah, I work as a legal secretary in construction litigation. The company I work for is very professional with high standards and has a very low staff turnover. I hadn’t been there long enough to reach the criteria for the Government’s ‘furlough scheme’ – stood down with 80% pay. For London, it is not a large firm but a good one. I live in good ol’ suburbia outside London so commute by tube into work. God save me from evangelical born again Christians by the way especially USA ones. I am religious but in a main stream faith so… Read more »

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 3, 2020 10:38 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Hi Jo, thanks. Yes, I avoid the evangelical Christians as much as possible, tho when you’re out selling The Big Issue mag, you tend to be a bit of a beacon for them! 3 of my 4 grandparents emigrated to New Zealand from the UK (2 from England, one from Scotland and a grandmother from Ireland). I think my Nana came from the Bromley area in London, so that’s my connection with the UK. So you get no income as well Jo? Can you apply for the dole? Didn’t realise you had to be employed a certain length of time… Read more »

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 1, 2020 10:55 PM

Part 4 of the one posted below.

There are a couple of others I think, which I have not viewed yet.

Gall
Gall
Apr 2, 2020 8:37 AM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Another video that discuss Covid 19 specifically since it was made before the panic-demic but does discuss how the technology can cause and exacerbate illness:

https://youtu.be/ol3tAxnNccY

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Apr 1, 2020 10:45 PM

Grauniad health editor Sarah Boseley has published a half-informed piece in which she is forced to concede, at the end of her article, that the tests for Covid-19 are hugely unreliable. Thus she undermines everything she’s written up to that point in “‘Absolutely wrong’: how UK’s coronavirus test strategy unravelled “. She criticizes “mathematical modellers” when it’s precisely journalists and politicians who need remedial classes in basic numeracy. And she genuflects to the personage, in all his sibilant nomenclature, of,Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, as if the stretched limo of a name somehow compensates for the ethnic cleanser’s lack of medical… Read more »

Cicatriz
Cicatriz
Apr 1, 2020 11:09 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Has the press taken responsibility for anything, ever? WMDs, phone hacking, Hillsborough, Syria?

It’s not their job to be sceptical. It’s their job to stenograph government press conferences.

This kind of crap is to create the illusion of actually putting some effort in.

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 2, 2020 8:07 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

references, please.

Jane
Jane
Apr 1, 2020 10:40 PM

I just saw the headline in the Guardian that British American Tobacco are working on a plant-based coronavirus vaccine! The sub-heading was “Cigarette maker says tobacco plants offer potential for faster and safer drug development”. Isn’t it reassuring to think that BAT is so concerned about our health that they would try to develop a vaccine to keep us well.

Beer
Beer
Apr 2, 2020 4:20 AM
Reply to  Jane

April Fool article 🙂

Mucho
Mucho
Apr 1, 2020 10:18 PM

Wow, looks like Brendon O Connell’s channel has been shut down. Shame, he was really starting to produce some fantastic material, so far ahead of the curve that man. Bless you Brendon, I hope you are OK

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 1, 2020 11:06 PM
Reply to  Mucho

The censorship will be ramped up more and more Mucho. Refer to 1984. Or Propaganda Watch (James Corbett)

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 1, 2020 10:17 PM

Another nail in rt’s coffin:

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/484696-eugenics-social-darwinism-coronavirus/

Those criticising the draconian measure are social Darwinists who don’t care about the elderly and the sick! Now if it’s true that the NHS is deliberately being sunk here (and I think it is) then it’s obscenely ironic that this moral outrage over abandoning the sick is being used to wreck a system there to help the sick.

But rt is a pathetic phoney opposition.

Reg
Reg
Apr 2, 2020 1:05 AM
Reply to  George Mc

I now thoroughly despise RT. Pity. I used to like reading it as a counter to the bilge from the UK and US.

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 2, 2020 8:15 AM
Reply to  George Mc
Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 2, 2020 6:54 PM
Reply to  George Mc

George Mc – the NHS don’t give a damn about the elderly and don’t believe they should have access to health resources – they should be left in homes to die in pain, without treatment and without dignity is their view. They have said this publicly on numerous occasions. The NHS isn’t being sunk, it’s a failing organisation.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 2, 2020 8:35 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

They have said this publicly on numerous occasions.

Give me one.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 3, 2020 6:19 PM
Reply to  George Mc

George Mc – I haven’t got enough technical knowledge on how to post links – but they have over the past 5 years, written articles in the Press about the elderly and the fact they shouldn’t take up resources and made comfortable. The reason there are so many older people in residential homes in this country is that the standard prescription for a Consultant for an older person that is even moderately frail is for social services to stick them in a home thereby saving the NHS district nurse money and hospital money. I will dig out some old articles… Read more »

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 3, 2020 8:04 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

I have a mother who will soon be 90. She’s in good health for her age. But the sad inevitable fact is that she will die in the not too distant future. Where do old people go when they cannot look after themselves? The NHS is supposed to be a health service. And a hospital – especially at the moment – is an ideal place to catch something especially if it is underfunded and I know the NHS is. They, like all the public services, have been getting run down for decades now. And I know because I work with… Read more »

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 1, 2020 10:15 PM

This – what we are being subjected to – mostly by out media – is terrorism in all but name. And this is far more frightening than anything any extremist Islamic group could possibly dream up. Not only are the mainstream media gorging themselves on this like the demented rabid dogs they are, but even here perverted individuals on these comment threads are spreading horror stories. It is hard to maintain one’s sanity sometimes amid all of this. I shall soon finish for today. Sometimes it is important to get away from this completely for a while. I had a… Read more »

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 1, 2020 10:37 PM