Bait-&-Switch: How they’ve changed the Covid conversation
It was supposed to be about life and death, but for weeks now we’re only hearing about cases.
Kit Knightly
Do you remember five months ago? Normally I wouldn’t ask, but the world is moving incredibly fast these days.
Do you remember that it was predicted that covid19 would kill literally millions of people?
Do you remember that hospitals were going to be over-run with patients and our struggling medical infrastructure was going to collapse under their weight?
Do you remember that locking down global society was the only way to prevent this disaster? That we had to do it, regardless of how much damage it did to the livelihoods and security of countless millions of people?
Final question – do you know how many people in the United Kingdom officially died with (not of) the coronavirus yesterday?
It’s 12.
Twelve people. You probably didn’t hear about that, because sometime in the last five weeks or so the media completely stopped using the word “deaths”, and started talking only about “cases”.
A “case” is anyone who tests positive for Sars-Cov-2, using the notoriously unreliable PCR tests which produce huge numbers of false positives.
Even supposing the positive test is real, the vast majority of “cases” are asymptomatic. Between false positives, unreliable tests and asymptomatic infection, a “case” count for sars-cov-2 is borderline meaningless.
Let’s say there are symptoms AND a positive test, and assume they’re not just a false positive who has a cold or the flu. Well, even the vast majority of the “symptomatic cases” will only ever be mildly ill. In fact of the 6 million active cases in the world, only 1% are considered severely ill. The majority of them will survive.
The CDC estimates the infection fatality ratio of Sars-Cov-2 to be about 0.26%. A number perfectly in line with severe flu seasons. Virtually every country in Europe is now reporting average, or even below average, mortality.
Broadly speaking, the vast majority of the world is, and will likely remain, absolutely fine.
But things aren’t going back to normal, are they? In fact, they are getting worse. The governments have got their foot in the door, and they have no intention of moving it.
Masks are now mandatory in the UK, and Australia, and New Zealand, and Germany and France. And many others. The Democrat’s nominee for President, Joe Biden, has said they should be mandatory in the US as well.
There’s talk of “local lockdown” in Birmingham, because of a “sudden increase in cases”, but we get no details on what the numbers are, or if that’s translating into any kind of illness, let alone deaths.
The same for Oldham, which is on the brink of a “catastrophic lockdown” thanks to its infection rate of 83 people per 100,000. (Oldham has a population of about 250,000, so that’s about 200 cases.)
Actually, over the last week the UK’s covid death count has reduced by over 5000, thanks to a review which removed duplicates and mistakes (which OffG predicted would happen months ago). The case count is bloated by at least 30,000 duplicates too.
In New Zealand, the patron saint of coronavirus Jacinda Ardern has just postponed next months general election. It’s only a month, for now. But what if there’s a “second wave” in October and they have to postpone it again? Regardless, the precedent is set.
New Zealand has had 1600 cases, total, in 5 months. They haven’t had a reported death since May. But their country is on lockdown and their democracy on hold.
Oh, and they’re shipping positive tests (and their families) off to “quarantine centres”, where if you refuse to be tested, you will be detained indefinitely.
Australia is locking down cities, even imposing curfews, based on 450 deaths.
Every day there are more and more articles discussing the need for mandatory vaccination, or something even worse.
And everywhere the language is changing. “The New Normal” was about beating Covid19, but now it’s about “covid19 and future pandemics”, or the “other colossal challenges facing humanity”….which can mean literally anything they want it to mean.
All this is based on the ever-increasing number of cases, without any reference to the fact deaths are falling.
All the way through those of us calling for a measured, proportional response were abused or ignored. The numbers have shown we were right, but that doesn’t matter now. They scared people into giving them the power, then they set the precedent for using that power, and there’s no reason to think they will ever stop.
It used to be about “deaths”, now it’s about “cases”. It used to be about coronavirus, next time it will be about something else.
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No references? When you get Reuters or AP to accept your news I’ll read it. This is fiction.
the virus comes from within a human – caused by the natural immune response of us pushing out poison (virus latin meaning) so there is no “virus” and the PCR test results show out very own DNA! They will target our DNA in the vaccine in order to give us some very nasty disease.
John Manning is right. To say there has been no new illness over the last few months is to deny the word of our own nurses and doctors who described symptoms they found puzzling and for which they had no remedy. While I disbelieve anything that comes out of WHO, the Gates Foundation, Neil Ferguson, the BBC or even sadly Channel 4, I believe the word of our own NHS staff who dealt with the illness directly. The lies in the media (and there are many) are all motivated by the commercial interests of vaccine manufacturers.I cannot think of anything more immoral than giving a vaccine to children for whom the disease is almost entirely harmless. Our money should be spent on research into two things. Finding out why some people are so badly affected. Two, finding treatments for those people to avoid them having to go onto artificial respirators. A vaccine for Covid-19 will not work and will cause damage. Anyone who wants to find out why, go to Robert Kennedy’s site (www.childrenshealthdefence.org). Kennedy only ever uses scientific material already published and peer reviewed. He is now suing Facebook and others for censorship and spreading false information about his site. Support him.
Susan, can you let us know what those puzzling symptoms are? I list the symptoms shown by the CDC website below. Were they symptoms other than these and if the puzzling symptoms include these symptoms why are they so puzzling? Could it be that doctors and nurses are puzzled by symptoms because people are getting diagnosed with COVID-19 when, in fact, they are suffering from different illnesses that have different symptoms and thus the symptoms for the alleged COVID-19 lack consistency?
People with COVID-19 have had a wide range of symptoms reported – ranging from mild symptoms to severe illness. Symptoms may appear 2-14 days after exposure to the virus. People with these symptoms may have COVID-19:
This list does not include all possible symptoms. CDC will continue to update this list as we learn more about COVID-19.
Hello Petra,
Briefly I can only repeat what I said in my previous reply. I trust that the doctors and nurses in the UK and in Italy had not lost their mental faculties when they described a situation of patients coming into their hospitals with symptoms that did not fit illnesses they had previously encountered. To give just one example, patients suffering from very low levels of oxygen in their blood (hypoxia) but not breathless, not red in the face but blue unlike pneumonia patients. I am not a doctor or a scientist but I have a good antennae for BS. I always look for motivation and past form. Therefore I do not trust Neil Ferguson because he not only has conflicts of interest in his current position but was one of the doctors implicated in the H1N1 scandal in 2009, when governments spent millions on a vaccine that was not needed. I do not trust Bill Gates because he has boasted of making 200 billion from vaccines from an initial 10 billion dollar investment. The BBC and the Guardian newspaper receive millions from the Gates Foundation so that we the public can be “educated” about global health. Bill Gates is now the biggest donor to WHO, now that Trump has withdrawn from that corrupt organisation (even a stopped clock…)
Doctors and nurses are far too unquestioning about the role of pharma in their practice but the distress/fear/fatigue that they exhibited during those early months of Covid 19 was genuine. In the UK many doctors and nurses and carers died looking after their patients. We need to honour and respect them by trying our hardest to get to the truth. I am enraged at the idiocy of pretending that a vaccine will either work, be safe, of be developed in time to help us in this situation. No, the answer lies in the following areas of research. First, why are some people affected so badly when the majority are asymptomatic. What therapies can we develop to help people in the early stages so that they never need to be put on a respirator. There are already hopeful signs that Vitamin D, Vitamin C and the drug interferon can help enormously. If only money was being put into these areas of research rather than a vaccine. Meanwhile the vaccine companies have run away with vast amounts of taxpayers money. Later they will develop an unsafe and ineffective vaccine, tout it round the world particularly to developing countries as a condition of aid and when children and adults are damaged, the tax payer will pay compensation. It is the perfect business plan. The vaccine manufacturers know what a good plan it is because it has worked so successfully for the last few decades. Anyone that really wants to educate themselves on this topic should go to Robert Kennedy’s site at http://www.childrenshealthdefence.org. This site relies only on peer reviewed studies. Kennedy is currently suing Facebook for unlawful censorship and lies about his site.
Hi Susan,
I looked up “hypoxia” and “pollution” and found this:
Hypoxia occurs most often, however, as a consequence of human-induced factors, especially nutrient pollution (also known as eutrophication). The causes of nutrient pollution, specifically of nitrogen and phosphorus nutrients, include agricultural runoff, fossil-fuel burning, and wastewater treatment effluent.
As David Icke points out Wuhan and Northern Italy have huge air pollution problems causing respiratory problems – and so we can see why those places were chosen to launch their pandemic.
https://www.worldnomads.com/travel-safety/europe/italy/pollution-other-health-hazards-in-italy
This “pandemic” shows all the classic signs of being a Psychological Operation (psyop) and they are simply fudging figures about carers dying. A lot of carers are old themselves and sometimes die before the person they’re caring for. It’s easy to fudge figures.
We must choose the hypothesis that best fits the evidence. Psyop with its classic hallmarks of clue giveaways such as an allegedly infected patient coughing all over the show in an ICU and whose family’s inbox was allegedly flooded with mail accusing them of a hoax and a 90-year-old woman allegedly undergoing a miraculous recovery from potato soup, fits the pandemic story perfectly. There is no evidence to say that it isn’t a psyop and much to say it is while there are many, many things that don’t fit genuine pandemic.
I have a post on it. If you care to look at it and can find anything to contradict I’d be most interested to hear it … or simply in general if you have any evidence that doesn’t fit psyop, please let me know.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/blog/coronavirus-hoax-jan-2020
Hello Petra,
You put into a search engine “hypoxia” and “pollution” and you find that pollution is the main cause of hypoxia. If I put “pigs” and “fly” into a search engine, it will tell me that “pigs can fly”.
If you start from the premise that evil people want to end humanity, and have deliberately released this disease onto an unsuspecting world, then you will find all the evidence to back it up.
There is a world of difference between a virus being released deliberately on the world and the accidental release of a virus from a lab. Dr Anthony Fauci conducted “gain of function” research for years in the US, before 200 other scientists signed a petition saying his work was dangerous and needed to be stopped. It is THIS story that the public need to hear. I do not have the space or time to explain what gain of function research is, or Dr Fauci’s role in it and in the lab at Wuhan but all this information is in the public domain. Anyone interested, I repeat, look at Robert Kennedy’s site,(www.childrenshealthdefence.org) .
By the way, viruses have been released deliberately by disgruntled employees of labs but very rarely. In most cases it is an accident. Again, if you search diligently, as I do, all the information is out there.
What worries me is theories about Psychological Operations and faked cases of Covid 19 conveniently allow the real criminals (those who profit from the sale of unsafe pharmaceutical and other products) to get away scot-free.
There are enough crimes going on under our noses to keep us occupied. Read the books of Dr Peter Gotzsche about the pharmaceutical industry, about mammograms, about the over diagnosis of cancers. Investigate the pollution going on in your tap water, your sliced bread, in your mattress, and the health effects of all these foreign substances in our bodies. This is before you look at the damage being done to our children through the vaccine schedule.
By the way, do you know any carers? Any doctors, nurses, bus drivers, or any of the other people who have died or been made extremely ill? Would you say the things you say, if you had any notion of the suffering involved? Criticise the powerful and those responsible for whatever has happened but don’t turn on the victims.
I’m afraid, Susan, that I believe the material about viruses being released is all distraction propaganda.
The science says there is no evidence of a virus.
https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/27/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless
If you have any clear evidence of what you believe please give me a link to it.
Just to add: if hypoxia is a symptom they detected early in Northern Italy why isn’t it listed on the CDC webpage? There’s an anomaly in the story everywhere you turn.
Even supposing the positive test is real, there is no definitively identified and isolated “novel” corona virus proven to cause a new contagious disease.
The PCR test is a reasearch tool, not developed for medical diagnoses and is identifying a fragment of a genetic sequence which WHO-funded scientists have decided using computer modeling is the identifier for a “novel” coronavirus. There is no empirical data to back up this hypothesis.
it is simply a convenient scenario for the invention of a disease for which we have no immunity and must be quarantined until a vaccine is developed, in a global takeover of human society by the medical/ technological establishment. It is the same scam as ant-virus software for your computer- a protection racket, and this time it’s your life. You need constant “updates ” ie vaccines to keep out the cosntant threat of viruses, in a permanent “security alert” situation.
It is a scientific scam but most people who have not done science at a university level ( and especially Biology) and people invested in the medical profession are unable or unwilling to see it.
Anyone can take a look at the “science” published on the Lancet, and examine their references…
I picked out one of those papers. Firstly, I noticed that the primary assertion that “a novel coronavirus causes covid-19” is not referenced. Than I looked through their references and found references to magazine articles, and WHO press releases… this is not what a serious scientific study is allowed to do! References are only acceptable if they point to other actual peer-reviewed studies…
The majority of the population world wide is not trained in reason and logic enough to understand the basic nuances of causation, association, experimental proof, etc…
This is the birth of the new fascism based on the new religion: scientism. You can find many fanatical believers on any internet forum or “social” media.
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There are many interesting aspects to the Covid19 pandemic and this author seems to have missed all of them by treating the issue as some sort of conspiracy. Corona virus caused SARS is a real disease that has caused three epidemics in the last 18 years. Each epidemic worse than the previous. The corona virus has changed from one of the infections causing the common cold to an infection causing acute viral pneumonia. The Covid19 strain appears to be more contagious and more persistent than the earlier MERS and SARS (2002) strains.
If the virus continues to show strain variability then vaccines will not be fully effective. Just as the influenza vaccine is not. It may simply be that for some time the human species has to go back to being subject to infectious disease deaths as a normal part of life. As it was 90 years ago before antibiotics and widespread vaccination.
The more interesting factor that commentators are ignoring is the political response to the epidemic. In every case it was some form of socialism. Even in the USA there have been social interventions to support people and businesses through this time. I am not a supporter of communism or extreme socialism but was interested to see that reaction so widespread around the world..
THERE IS NO PANDEMIC
Too right. No pandemic, no illness, no “special” virus, no nothing.
It’s the Emperor’s New Clothes par excellence.
You’re just spouting what they’ve told us, John. The evidence speaks against these three episodes, notably the clearly fraudulent science.
It’s all made up stories designed to instil terror in order to control us better with whatever their agendas are.
The very well-researched article below provides very good reason not to believe in the virus apart from so much other evidence.
https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/27/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless/
And the utterly pathetic alleged debunking of it by PolitiFact – what a complete joke of a site – further supports its claims.
I have written a post, Debunking the Debunkers: PCR Tests Scientifically Meaningless exposing the ludicrousness of the alleged debunking.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/blog/debunking-the-debunkers-pcr-tests-scientifically-meaningless
The weaknesses of PCR testing as an analytical tool are well known to me. It has always troubled me that it is used in forensic science as legal evidence. That does not mean that SARS caused by corona viruses does not exist.
I am a retired biochemist who began his career making virus vaccines so I am aware of the science of corona viruses and not simply repeating the claims of others.
One of the mistakes being made by many when considering the covid19 question is a failure to recognize that all viruses come as a mixture of strains. Within the covid19 group there are 5 separate strains already identified and this probably accounts for the varying virulence seen in different areas. It also seriously compromises RNA analysis (the PCR test) as a means of diagnosing infection. That does not mean corona viruses are not involved, just that the wrong test was used. Scientists are not as dumb as you make them out to be. They will be using other methods such as electron microscopy to check samples actually contain corona virus.
Only time will tell how significant (ie lethal) covid19 is. In a normal year about 4 million people world wide die of respiratory diseases. The real question is whether or not covid19 is increasing that figure. If not then we are not really seeing a health crisis and should not be reacting as we are. If however as I originally stated corona viruses are becoming more virulent then we have a problem .
If you are arguing against lockdown as a control strategy I agree with you. In an epidemic you should quarantine the sick not the healthy. The problem we currently face is highlighted by the article you referred to. How do you actually test for health or sickness without a reliable test. The current solution lockup everyone is not the answer because it can only ever be a short term solution. The promise of a vaccine as a solution is also misguided. The strain variability we are seeing now will compromise the effectiveness of a vaccine especially one created by the new technology of using RNA to create antigens.
The corona virus epidemics of the last 18 years indicate to me that we are dealing with a virus that is becoming more virulent towards the human species. The form of viral pneumonia caused by corona viruses differs in etiology from other forms viral pneumonia. SARS is real. The pattern of a series of disease outbreaks which become steadily worse is a normal one for viral diseases. Each time a virus infects a species the strains most virulent to that species get selected ahead of the others. This phenomenon has been understood since the first vaccine for smallpox was created as a replacement for the pre-exiting variolae.
John you just seem to be taking the science for granted here. For example, you say:
But where is the evidence for this claim? The article, COVID19 PCR Tests are Scientifically Meaningless, says that there is no evidence of the virus having been isolated and therefore there is no evidence of 5 strains or otherwise. Do you have an argument with what the article says?
The basis for misunderstanding about the PCR test is believing PCR is a test. The Polymerase chain reaction (PCR) is a method used to make copies of DNA or RNA so that there is enough of a sample to map the nucleotide sequence of the DNA/RNA.
It will be obvious to anyone that manufacturing your sample in a laboratory is a risky process for any analysis. The more times the PCR process is used the greater the risk. That is what your quoted article is saying.
The actual determination of a nucleotide sequence is a separate matter. It does not rely on the PCR. The virus can be grown in cell cultures to get enough sample for nucleotide analysis. PCR is the quick lazy way of doing the job. The argument in its favour is by not growing the virus in culture you are not influencing the strain of virus which will be analysed. No tests are perfect. An alternative method for strain differentiation in viruses is antibody analysis. Different virus strains can exhibit different protein coats and these will generate different antibodies.
The only thing wrong with the article you quoted is its scientific naivety. I have always thought the PCR process a dubious way of creating a sample for analysis. The article you quoted refers to a publication where the author considers the risk is incurred if PCR is repeated too often. I would go further than that author and say it is a risk to use it once because it is difficult to be certain of the source of the RNA/DNA being copied.
The issue of strain variation in viruses is a separate matter. It would be normal to expect multiple strains within covid19. Just the same way that covid19 is a subset of the corona virus group. I do not understand why you would object to strain variation in viruses. It has been acknowledged medically and scientifically for hundreds of years.
This has no effect on the argument/discussion about the significance of covid19. I look at this argument differently to you. I think the corona virus epidemic is real but has it changed public health statistics. Are there more deaths from respiratory diseases than normal, are there more deaths than normal from all causes. That data was easier to find in past years but has been difficult to find this year. I think the pre-occupation with counting covid19 cases has obscured the view of the broader picture.
I thought only bacteria were grown in cell culture but if virus were to be grown how do they first determine that what they are growing is the virus?
Can you please point to a paper where what you believe the correct process to determine the strains of COVID-19 has been done?
Petra you are going around in circles here. The analytical purpose for growing viruses in cell cultures is to get enough of the virus to do an identity test. If you know what it is before hand then there is no need to grow the virus.
Cell culture production of viruses has been routinely carried out for vaccine production since the early 1970’s. That was when I began my career in virology. The process is to grow a layer of cells from a suitable mammalian source (monkey kidney cells are commonly used) and then infect them with the chosen virus which then replicates in the cell layer.
In my reading (all internet basd) I have not been collecting references so I cannot direct you to a specific paper. I have been describing to you, conventional means of producing and testing viruses. Antibody testing has been routinely used since the 1980’s. Nucleotide sequencing started in the late 1970’s and was being performed by automated machinery by the late 1980’s. The scientific world has had a long time to learn about these techniques. There faults are known, I doubt any honest scientist would ever say they were perfect.
The problems in covid19 analysis exists at the medical level. Because the analytical techniques are now performed by machines the operators in hospital laboratories do not have sufficient expertise to identify errors. Doctors have little or no understanding of the biochemistry of the tests. Diagnostic standards have been “relaxed” for the determination of cause of death.
My opinion is that the virologists and analytical biochemists are doing a good job regarding Corona virus research. The problem they face is that wild viruses are never one thing. It is not until you get a monoclonal virus strain grown in a stable cell culture that you get consistency in viruses. There is little to be gained by attacking people doing their best with the technology available.
I prefer to look at a broader picture and the effects claimed to be caused by covid19. Over 700,000 deaths have been related to covid19. ie The claim is that covid19 was present at death. Many doctors and scientists have already pointed out that covid19 may not have caused the deaths. However my “guess” is that compared to a normal year that is 500,000 more corona virus infections than normal. What we do not know is what tests were carried out to make the claim that covid19 was present. That is again a medical diagnostic problem. That is where I see faults in this “pandemic” story.
However the biggest unknown is whether or not the media and politicians are truly reflecting the opinions of doctors and scientists.
The question is about obtaining the “chosen virus”, John.
The authors of the article show that there is no evidence of the “chosen virus” having been purified in order for any further manipulations to be done.
I post from their article below. Do you have any argument with their argument?
NO PROOF FOR THE RNA BEING OF VIRAL ORIGIN
Now the question is: What is required first for virus isolation/proof? We need to know where the RNA for which the PCR tests are calibrated comes from.
As textbooks (e.g., White/Fenner. Medical Virology, 1986, p. 9) as well as leading virus researchers such as Luc Montagnier or Dominic Dwyer state, particle purification — i.e. the separation of an object from everything else that is not that object, as for instance Nobel laureate Marie Curie purified 100 mg of radium chloride in 1898 by extracting it from tons of pitchblende — is an essential pre-requisite for proving the existence of a virus, and thus to prove that the RNA from the particle in question comes from a new virus.
The reason for this is that PCR is extremely sensitive, which means it can detect even the smallest pieces of DNA or RNA — but it cannot determine where these particles came from. That has to be determined beforehand.
And because the PCR tests are calibrated for gene sequences (in this case RNA sequences because SARS-CoV-2 is believed to be a RNA virus), we have to know that these gene snippets are part of the looked-for virus. And to know that, correct isolation and purification of the presumed virus has to be executed.
Hence, we have asked the science teams of the relevant papers which are referred to in the context of SARS-CoV-2 for proof whether the electron-microscopic shots depicted in their in vitro experiments show purified viruses.
But not a single team could answer that question with “yes” — and NB., nobody said purification was not a necessary step. We only got answers like “No, we did not obtain an electron micrograph showing the degree of purification” (see below).
We asked several study authors “Do your electron micrographs show the purified virus?”, they gave the following responses:
Study 1: Leo L. M. Poon; Malik Peiris. “Emergence of a novel human coronavirus threatening human health” Nature Medicine, March 2020
Replying Author: Malik Peiris
Date: May 12, 2020
Answer: “The image is the virus budding from an infected cell. It is not purified virus.”
Study 2: Myung-Guk Han et al. “Identification of Coronavirus Isolated from a Patient in Korea with COVID-19”, Osong Public Health and Research Perspectives, February 2020
Replying Author: Myung-Guk Han
Date: May 6, 2020
Answer: “We could not estimate the degree of purification because we do not purify and concentrate the virus cultured in cells.”
Study 3: Wan Beom Park et al. “Virus Isolation from the First Patient with SARS-CoV-2 in Korea”, Journal of Korean Medical Science, February 24, 2020
Replying Author: Wan Beom Park
Date: March 19, 2020
Answer: “We did not obtain an electron micrograph showing the degree of purification.”
Study 4: Na Zhu et al., “A Novel Coronavirus from Patients with Pneumonia in China”, 2019, New England Journal of Medicine, February 20, 2020
Replying Author: Wenjie Tan
Date: March 18, 2020
Answer: “[We show] an image of sedimented virus particles, not purified ones.”
Regarding the mentioned papers it is clear that what is shown in the electron micrographs (EMs) is the end result of the experiment, meaning there is no other result that they could have made EMs from.
That is to say, if the authors of these studies concede that their published EMs do not show purified particles, then they definitely do not possess purified particles claimed to be viral. (In this context, it has to be remarked that some researchers use the term “isolation” in their papers, but the procedures described therein do not represent a proper isolation (purification) process. Consequently, in this context the term “isolation” is misused).
Thus, the authors of four of the principal, early 2020 papers claiming discovery of a new coronavirus concede they had no proof that the origin of the virus genome was viral-like particles or cellular debris, pure or impure, or particles of any kind. In other words, the existence of SARS-CoV-2 RNA is based on faith, not fact.
I agree that certainty about RNA origins is a problem when using PCR processes for analysis. That has always been my concern about its use in forensic science.
Despite that there is another body of information that provides some assurance when analysing viruses using nucleotide sequences. That is the historical knowledge of “normal” nucleotide sequences for a virus.
Virus strains have for the majority of their RNA/DNA the same nucleotide sequence. The variations occur in over segments of the nucleotide string. Consequently if you see a nucleotide sequence that is 95% corona virus and 5% something new and you are analysing a sample which has been separated by methods normally used to extract viruses then there is a probability that you have a corona virus sequence in front of you. All biological analysis involves these sorts of probabilities. Certainties are rare events in biology. Tests are usually considered satisfactory if they provide a 95% probability of being correct and good if they provide 99%.
I agree with the authors you have quoted above. Certainty has not been obtained. Probably because a lot of the work is being rushed. It would be a mistake to assume the work being challenged was done in ignorance of the potential errors that might arise.
To put it crudely one group are saying if it looks like an orange and tastes like an orange then it is an orange. The other is saying you have not proved it isn’t a grapefruit My opinion is, it is not worth arguing these points because so much else is going on which will make that discussion irrelevant.
The greatest test of whether or not these analyses were correct will be when RNA is used as the basis for building a new vaccine (already well underway). If those vaccines are effective then concerns about where the RNA came from will disappear. Results published by Russian and British laboratories claim effective vaccines are being produced. Time will tell if those claims are genuine.
While this has been an interesting discussion your questions have required me to do too much thinking and revision about science that years ago was second nature to me. I am too old to carry on with that level of thought.
That’s fine, John. What I say is that there is a lot of non-scientific evidence that supports the hypothesis of no COVID-19 so combined with lack of clear evidence from scientific papers that a virus
1. has been isolated
2. is causing illness
the only sensible thing to do is plump for the no virus hypothesis.
There is ample evidence supporting the no-virus hypothesis and none against it while there is not clear evidence supporting the pandemic/illness/virus hypothesis and a great deal against it.
“l went to the doctor today and asked him how long this “virus” would last. “How should I know, I am not a politician!”, he answered.”
“l know a good Covid joke, but 99.94% of you won’t get it!”
Masks are not mandatory in NZ, not in Australia unless you live within the state of Victoria. Need to get your facts right honey.
THE AUTHOR IS DEAD WRONG ON THE THIS SWITCH AS WELL. THE MSM’S LEAD EVERY NIGHT WITH THE DEATH COUNT AT 175,000 NOW. AND THE CASES ARE PRESENTED AS BEING SICK NOT JUST WITH THE VIRUS FROM A TEST. 99% OF CASE NEVER GET SICK. ITS A LIE TO CALL THEM CASES. AND THE MASK IS THE SAME AS THE NAZIS USED THE STAR FOR. TO IDENTIFY YOU AS AN OBEISANT.I DON’T CARE WITHER THE ”ADL” LIKES THAT COMPARISON OR NOT.
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My guess is that “all about cases, not deaths and hospitalisation” means they’re winding it down and just as Trump said:
I had a chuckle when I googled this quote and found it on this page:
Trump’s 7 worst statements on the coronavirus outbreakhttps://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/13/21176535/trumps-worst-statements-coronavirus
Petra, please get your act together. You are not meant to chuckle at any of this COVID stuff, the power elite is. For God’s sake, stick to the script we asked you to write or it may be necessary to withhold some of your current period’s payment.
Disinformation.
Well spotted. Humourless twat.
VOX is one of the worse cesspools of fear mongering.
The Covid-19 HOAX
This file lists 40,132 Covid-19 RNA sequences and their mutations.
http://preearth.net/pdfs/ids-cdate-sdate-name-country-mutations.txt
The Covid-19 HOAX can be seen in the way Covid-19 spread.
It spread to the whole world but jumped over the major Chinese cities.
You know Shanghai, Beijing, Guangzhou, Hong Kong, etc. On March 16, about 2 months after the lockdown,
Beijing Municipality had only 442 confirmed cases of Covid-19 (population 20 million),
Shanghai Municipality had only 353 confirmed cases of Covid-19 (population 23 million),
Guangdong Province had only 1,357 confirmed cases of Covid-19 (population 104 million),
Hong Kong Region had only 141 confirmed cases of Covid-19 (population 7 million).
Get that… it didn’t appreciably spread (before or after the Wuhan lockdown) to any of the major Chinese cities.
But there was a tremendous spread of the disease (before the Wuhan lockdown) to Iran and Italy.
How’s that?
The Washington Post reported that 5 million people left Wuhan between January 10 (the start of the Chinese New Year travel rush) and the lockdown.[1]
Get that… at the height of the uncontrolled epidemic, five million leave Wuhan for elsewhere in China, but do not appreciably spread the disease.
But a small number from Wuhan massively spread the disease to Iran and Italy.
How’s that?
And what about Africa?
As of April 16, there were only 16,500 confirmed cases of Covid-19 in all of Africa.
Get that… only 16,500 cases in all of Africa. Africa, which has seen massive Chinese investment accompanied by over a million Chinese workers.
How’s that?
From: http://www.preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1184
Thanks for that John7. I will add your information to my page, Coronavirus, “live” exercise
Just one of the numerous pieces of evidence loudly proclaiming hoax, there is no virus and HCQ, ludicrous numbers and other anomalies, masks, lockdown, hand sanitising, etc are just all propaganda streams to manipulate people into jumping up and down … so terribly ineffectually.
Only the truth shall set you free, not half-truth. Half-truths make great lies.
“there is no virus”
There is a virus, To many different people have sequenced the virus for it to be a complete hoax.
The very well-researched article below provides very good reason not to believe in the virus.
https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/27/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless/
And the utterly pathetic alleged debunking of it by PolitiFact – what a complete joke of a site – further supports its claims.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jul/07/blog-posting/covid-19-tests-are-not-scientifically-meaningless/
Sequencing a “virus” is not the same as isolating it. The genetic material that is sequenced could have come from anywhere.
This is where most become confused. “Sequencing” means nothing of importance. Without having been isolated, it simply doesn’t exist.
Yes, I thought so.
Nobody has isolated a “novel” coronavirus and shown it makes people sick. That’s what matters, not computer models.
The reason there are so few cases in equatorial Africa is malaria. The treatment for malaria is……. Hydroxycloroquine and closely related drugs…… that are prophylactic and curative for Covid19. So fewer people get sick, they have milder cases, and seldom die.
The numbers are completely arbitrary in every location in the globe because there is no special virus. It’s all made up and they just push out numbers as they please. The complete illogicality of the numbers makes that quite clear.
This is my case for no virus. If you believe there is a special virus what is your evidence?
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/blog/coronavirus-hoax-jan-2020
That’s an interesting thought.
Maybe the people spreading the virus forgot about Africa for a while.
It is called lying. As in the lying Communist government of mainland China. They are not telling the truth. They do not care about their people.
Then there is the outrageous over-reporting of illness and death whether from or “with” Covid19.
Don’t tell me there is not a new flu. I had a very mild case back in January. I know it is real and unlike any illness I have had in my 70 years. I am very healthy and seldom get sick. But Covid19 is real.
What the “experts” are doing is different than making it up, but even worse than what you are suggesting.
Good catch on China. If you look up COVID19 deaths per capita, China is down at the very bottom (with all the African countries) at 3.38 deaths per million. Belgium and the UK are near the top with 873 and 623 respectively.
Logically, this should simply not be possible. Even if you resort to the usual argument that “China is a police state and can shut down whatever they like” (which is true), it’s not possible to create an airtight lockdown. Besides, air travel in and out of China afterwards should have created some spread.
You may say China lies – and it’s possible, but I don’t really think it would be possible to cover up a massive outbreak in say Beijing. So, what we are left with is the totally implausible situation that the country where this supposedly originated, which is one of the most populous countries on earth, is one of the least hit places! Also, I have not checked this, but I do believe China has, as a consequence of the 1-child policy, also a rather “aging” population structure so there should be plenty of easy pickings for COVID19.
All in all, what China’s position on this COVID19 nonsense is puzzling to me. I don’t believe the Chinese elites to be “in bed” with the western elites. So what’s really THEIR agenda?
“If you look up COVID19 deaths per capita, China is down at the very bottom (with all the African countries) at 3.38 deaths per million. Belgium and the UK are near the top with 873 and 623 respectively. Logically, this should simply not be possible.”
There are different strains of the virus.
The Wuhan strain has essentially died out.
A Euro-American strain is now 75% of all sequences. This strain is very uncommon in East Asia.
This probably explains why the disease acted differently in East Asia and the West.
The Euro-American strain carries (at least) four differences from the Wuhan strain.
They are 241T, C3037T, C14408T, and A23403G.
These four are always found as a group (which is very suspicious).
If a country that is sanctioning your economy starts gutting its own, what would you do?
New platform for removed posts, videos, etc
freedom platform ‘dot’ tv
‘freedomplatform’, one word.
Sorry, sources are here
https://www.brighteon.com/d6412bff-0421-4190-a7bf-3e5e1f52559d @6
https://www.wipo.int/meetings/en/2006/scp_of_ge_06/speakers/martin.html
Whether it’s true or not, I believe keeping it as separate information from this fake pandemic. The main point is there is no special virus and they will feed us all kinds of things to keep our minds occupied, true or not.
All COVID-19-ascribed illness and death is due to other causes. That is the clear truth that needs to be pushed and kept in mind at all times regardless of any other claims that may be true or not but serve as distraction.
Hitler said “Make the lie big, keep it simple, keep saying it and eventually they will believe it”. However, I don’t think this is entirely true. When you’re pushing the lie to the masses perhaps that’s the style but when you’re pushing to the skeptics it’s all about multiple propaganda threads to distract from the simple truth.
All the propaganda to the skeptics is designed to hide the simple truth that there is no virus.
So for us who don’t believe them we should take the approach of pushing only the information that reveals that simple truth. Forget about masks, lockdowns, HCQ – all that nonsense. Focus only on what reveals the simple truth: there is no virus. John7’s comment above on how the virus didn’t spread as it should have in China is a good example of information to push.
Yesterday I posted a claim that the corona virus was PATENTED years ago, as well as its test kit. The guy who claimed this really is a patent specialist & heavy hitter:
“Dr. David Martin is the founding CEO of M∙CAM Inc. M∙CAM is the international leader in intellectual property-based financial risk management. From auditing patent quality for governments and patent offices, to providing state-of-the-art actuarial risk management systems and solutions to the largest banks and insurance companies, M∙CAM has established a global standard in patent quality and commercial validity assessment and management.
A spokesperson for global intellectual property accountability and quality reform, Dr. Martin has worked closely with the United States Congress, numerous trade and finance regulatory agencies in the United States, Europe and Asia. . . .”
He says, “I am the inventor of linguistic genomics. . . In 1999 IBM digitized 1 million US patents [and therefore analyzable by his system]
“1/3 of all patents were functional forgeries, meaning that while they had linguistic variations, they actually covered the same subject matter.”
In 2003 CDC saw the possibility of a gold strike in the corona virus transmitted to humans.
2007 petition to keep their patent confidential. Patent was extended to detection, and a kit to test for it. Ability to restrict who could look at, use or measure it.
It is the DATES in this matter that seem to me to be conclusive.
Please could someone comment on this?
This was on the Plandemic film that was removed from Fakecrooks. Look for the new platform freedom platform ‘dot’ tv
The film is available on there & you’ll see this information given
I have a riddle I don’t understand. I assumed Wuhan lab to be owned by Chinese govt. But Wall St J: “NIH Demands US-Based Research Group Hand Over Wuhan Lab Records. ”
If they want to continue to be funded through a suspended research grant connected to the Wuhan Virology Lab, then EcoHealth Alliance must turn over their records to the National Institutes of Health.
The Wall Street Journal broke with the news early in the morning of August 19, 2020, that the NIH wants “a sample of the new coronavirus that the Wuhan researchers used to determine its genetic sequence,” along with study details and other information.
The NIH is also demanding that EcoHealth “arrange for an inspection of the Wuhan Institute of Virology by an outside team that would examine the facility’s lab and records ‘with specific attention to addressing the question of whether WIV staff had SARS-CoV-2 in their possession prior to December 2019.’”
SOURCE: The Wall Street Journal August 19, 2020
as quoted https://blogs.mercola.com/sites/vitalvotes/archive/2020/08/19/breaking-news-nih-demands-usbased-research-gr
They want a sample of something that does not exist, so a sample will have to be made. Applied Science 101. “EcoHealth” sounds perfectly fake!
What a ridiculous hysterical article this one is. So all the politicians of all the countries in the world many of them with children and nieces and nephews etc are conniving to get us all to wear masks forevermore, for what reason that benefits them, God only knows, all as part of some evil conspiracy to drug us all and make us all compliant robots or something LOL. Or alternatively they know their history and what happened with the Spanish flu and how it went from relatively harmless to devastatingly deadly, killing millions of young people in the prime of their life.
Who knows why they’re conniving to get us all to wear masks but there’s definitely a conspiracy because there is zero evidence of a special virus causing illness and death. All illness and death can be ascribed to what it’s always been caused by and COVID is a complete figment.
The evidence of scientific fraud is simply breathtaking.
See my comment below:
https://off-guardian.org/2020/08/18/bait-switch-how-theyve-changed-the-covid-conversation/#comment-224941
If you have a single skerrick of evidence that says that any illness or death has been caused by the alleged COVID-19 and is not a result of another cause, please tell me what it is, Mac, and if you don’t then I’d ask you to question the story media and government are telling us.
“Make us all compliant robots”
Close. Eugenics through gene editing. Use the phony virus scare to drum up support for mandatory, gene manipulating vaccines.
They don’t know jack, and neither do you, Mac.
I noticed a while ago that ICNARC stopped producing weekly reports of people being admitted to intensive care in England, Wales and N.Ireland who have tested positive for Covid19. Is it because the numbers are simply getting too low to justify weekly updates? The last report on 31st July identified just 35 new admissions over the previous 2 weeks. That’s an average of 17.5 admissions per week! See figure 3 for the distribution of intensive care admissions across different parts of the uk. The numbers are surprisingly low.
https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/42ceb4d2-3dd3-ea11-9128-00505601089b
There is no evidence of a special virus in the first place so the figures are utter nonsense no matter which way they’ve gone – up, down or round and round.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/blog/coronavirus-hoax-jan-2020
YES, the numbers are getting too low to support the hysterical over-hyping of this pretty ordinary flu bug. The one peculiarity of this bug is the relative immunity of everyone under 55. The vast majority of deaths are people over 80. Deaths of infants and young children are statistically 0%. Most illnesses are worst for the very young and the elderly. This illness is different.
I live in New Zealand. Masks are not currently mandatory in NZ – otherwise a good article.
Well you will have very few covid19 cases because the New Zealand has the highest rate of skin cancers on the planet due to the high intensity UV light.The virus does not like UV.
I’ve just figured out why Melbourne has a curfew and stricter lockdowns.
It will be the first western city to have Chinese style mass surveillance and social credit.
I believe its been chosen, this explains why china has put $1.2 trillion into Victorian infrastructure they say for Belt and Road.
When you accept this it comes with the social credit system.
Masks are now mandatory in businesses in Ontario, or at least the Great Toronto Area…
Hysterical! Masks cannot stop the spread of viruses. They are too small and will pass through any mask that can be breathed through.
As for why, what is the response to mask wearing? For me, breathing through the mouth resulting in dry mouth. This causes gum diseases and tooth cavities. It increases my pulse rate, blood pressure and makes me depressed. I do not want to interact with masked people. It looks like people are ashamed of their faces or are up to no good. This is irrational, but then masking for a viral epidemic is irrational.
In other words, mandating masks is about controlling people. Not about controlling any disease.
You need to stop with the “They are too small and will pass through any mask that can be breathed through”. This doesn’t work.
The reasoning of the mask cult is that the masks will trap tiny water droplets that come out of your mouth and which may be carrying the virus, not that the virus is free-floating in the air.
So, they believe that they wear the mask to protect others, not themselves, which is why the cult is so successful. This is virtue signaling jumping from the internet into real life and is a direct result of a decade of “social” media cultural rot.
“Stay safe ! ” they type on their fakebook accounts, alongside masked emojis…
“You need to stop with the “They are too small and will pass through any mask that can be breathed through”. This doesn’t work.”
Pray tell, doesn’t work for what? Is this the place to try to educate the ignoramuses that you are telling me about?
I didn’t think so.
There is no evidence of a special virus in the first place so the wearing of masks or not is not a question. It’s just a method to control and engage us when we should simply be calling out “Hoax, hoax, hoax, hoax, hoax.”
If you have a single skerrick of evidence that says that any illness or death has been caused by the alleged COVID-19 and is not a result of another cause, please tell me what it is, Kevin, and if you don’t then I’d ask you to question the story media and government are telling us.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/blog/coronavirus-hoax-jan-2020
Sorry Kevin, downvote was accidental!
It just happens that this disease is still potentially deadly, and about 1% of cases eventually turn into deaths. Sure, the number of cases right now is low. And if people start relaxing, then the number of cases will soon be high, because with no restrictions at all, cases double roughly every three days. And you know how quickly doubling goes: 16, 32, 64… and very soon you’re talking thousands and millions.
So yeah, if you are a teenager that thinks that two months time is an eternity and don’t have the maturity to appreciate it isn’t, go for it. Ignore all the rules and show you don’t belong in the world of adults that actually think about the future, rather than needing instant gratification in the present. Surely waiting six months for a vaccine is beyond intolerable. You have to have all your whims satisfied right now.
But if you are an adult, then treat this article as what it is: the product of an infantile mind.
bullshit
No you are Bullshit.Wait until you are coughing up blood.
Kindly fork off back to the Guardian and take your passive aggressive diseased excrement with you.
I can see you don`t work for the NHS,You are just a idiot without conscious awareness.
Hey troll, show us facts to the contrary, otherwise your opinion is simply that, the product of an infantile mind.
Doly you are a sheeple; maybe you are actually Dolly the first cloned sheep.
You are a couple of months late with your hysteria. Herd immunity is well advanced. This will go the way of the swine flu shortly.
Keep yelling, child. Maybe your mother will hear you and give you an ice cream to shut you up.
How did you arrive at this site Doly?
Since February OffG has produced numerous articles that demonstrate quite effectively that the Covid 19 is an international scam that has caused a massive groundswell of revolt and dissent among many who frequent this place.
If you journey through the OffG archives you will see what I mean.
You may also see how hundreds of comments have altered the tone from mild but cautious disbelief into outright posturings of justifiable rage.
Please read up and see for yourself.
There is no C19.
They don’t even need to pay these drones to post this stuff here.
The Covid-19 HOAX
This file lists 40,132 Covid-19 sequences and their mutations.
http://preearth.net/pdfs/ids-cdate-sdate-name-country-mutations.txt
The Covid-19 HOAX can be seen in the way Covid-19 spread.
It spread to the whole world but jumped over the major Chinese cities.
You know Shanghai, Beijing, Guangzhou, Hong Kong, etc. On March 16, about 2 months after the lockdown,
Beijing Municipality had only 442 confirmed cases of Covid-19 (population 20 million),
Shanghai Municipality had only 353 confirmed cases of Covid-19 (population 23 million),
Guangdong Province had only 1,357 confirmed cases of Covid-19 (population 104 million),
Hong Kong Region had only 141 confirmed cases of Covid-19 (population 7 million).
Get that… it didn’t appreciably spread (before or after the Wuhan lockdown) to any of the major Chinese cities.
But there was a tremendous spread of the disease (before the Wuhan lockdown) to Iran and Italy.
How’s that?
The Washington Post reported that 5 million people left Wuhan between January 10 (the start of the Chinese New Year travel rush) and the lockdown.[1]
Get that… at the height of the uncontrolled epidemic, five million leave Wuhan for elsewhere in China, but do not appreciably spread the disease.
But a small number from Wuhan massively spread the disease to Iran and Italy.
How’s that?
And what about Africa?
As of April 16, there were only 16,500 confirmed cases of Covid-19 in all of Africa.
Get that… only 16,500 cases in all of Africa. Africa, which has seen massive Chinese investment accompanied by over a million Chinese workers.
How’s that?
From: http://www.preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1184
Funny, just made a comment about this being article censored on twitter, now its disappeared from here… I think the singularity is here and it doesn’t like me 🙂
Great article. Concise and convincing. Good for tormenting Covid believers with.
What’s important to keep in mind is that the power elite have no desire or need to keep their story in the least little bit coherent. Power isn’t about rationality and coherence. It’s about the opposite, in fact. They like exercising their privilege to be as irrational and incoherent as they possibly can. They know that everyone will bleat about this that and the other wrong with their story … but what will happen about it?
Zero … because power doesn’t work like that.
What’s of vital importance is to recognise the actual truth. It must be the actual truth NOT oh-there’s-a-virus-but-the-figures-don’t-add-up-and-the-response-is-inappropriate complete and utter bullshit.
The critical attitude of oh-there’s-a-virus-but-the-figures-don’t-add-up-and-the-response-is-inappropriate complete and utter bullshit will achieve nothing. The difference between the truth and the big fat lie that there is a virus-but-figures-don’t-add-up,etc is monumental and we know this because the perps spend millions on smothering the simple truth with a multitude of streams of propaganda and brazenly push out all kinds of nonsensical figures to get us wound up about.
On the other hand, if everyone recognised that there is no virus instead of getting caught up in the oh-there’s-a-virus-but-the-figures-don’t-add-up-and-the-response-is-inappropriate complete and utter bullshit then that would be the end of it.
It would all end there. And it’s so simple. This alleged pandemic could not more obviously be a psyop and in psyops they don’t do things for real unless they want them for real. They don’t want a virus, a virus wouldn’t work in any shape or form and the notion of a virus, naturally-occurring or manufactured in a lab, is an absurdity in the extreme.
But people are so very, very reluctant to call out the Emperor’s New Clothes. It’s taboo. People want to get caught up in all the propaganda pushed out to distract us. They’d much rather do that. They’d much rather go along with the manipulation and act like puppets. I do not know why that is. Even before I woke up in 2014, my reaction to events that I now realise are psyops was generally pretty restrained. I believed the stories but at some level I recognised the manipulation going on and reacted against it.
There is no virus. If everyone recognised this very simple fact it would all be over in a minute. Getting all wound up about the nonsensical figures, the inappropriate lockdown, etc is simply doing exactly what the perps planned on and have manipulated us into doing.
I have created a post, 9/11 and COVID-19: The Parallels. I believe that looking at the parallels provides a better understanding of both psyops and psyops in general. Any suggestions of additional parallels most welcome.
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Nothing could tell us more clearly that there is no virus than the article published in OffG, by Torsten Engelbrecht and Konstantin Demeter, COVID19 PCR Tests are Scientifically Meaningless. Summary of points below.
— No distinctive specific symptoms for COVID-19
— Admitted lack of gold standard test for COVID-19
— PCR test used inappropriate for viral testing (its purpose was manufacturing not testing). Clear example: Faith in Quick Test Leads to Epidemic That Wasn’t.
— No clear evidence of origin of RNA used in test
— Authors of scientific papers claiming isolation of virus admit that purification of virus not actually done and seasoned virologist admits lack of awareness of any paper showing purification of virus
— No evidence of what is said to be the virus, SARS-CoV-2 causing COVID-19
— Test results are irrational which would only be expected when the testing method used is against scientific testing protocol
— The test contains “q” in its name, RT-qPCR, which should stand for quantitative, however, it is admitted the test is qualitative meaning it cannot test viral load which means they cannot test how many viral particles are carried in the body. For people to be considered infected a viral load needs to be determined.
— High Cycle Quantification (Cq) values undermine validity of test and some PCR tests have high Cq values (Drosten test has 45). The inventor of the test, Kary Mullis, has this to say: “If you have to go more than 40 cycles to amplify a single-copy gene, there is something seriously wrong with your PCR.”
— Before starting with PCR, in the case of presumed RNA viruses such as SARS-CoV-2, the RNA must be converted to complementary DNA (cDNA) with the enzyme Reverse Transcriptase—hence the “RT” at the beginning of “PCR” or “qPCR,” but this transformation process is “widely recognized as inefficient and variable,”
Good summary.
Most apropos! Playing the whack-a-narrative game inherently relinquishes control to the perps. Basically boiling down to “I told ya so” and some moralizing about things of little import. Playing right into the divide and conquer tactic. All while paying no attention to the biggest ongoing fraud ever perpetrated, what appears to be mass homicide by the state and covert coup d’état of many governmnets from around the world. In this light its hard not to think of OffG as yet another layer of controlled opposition.
That said, I have also come to realize this intersection is where harder questions surface. Where one needs to confront what they truly believe and what they are prepared to do to protect those beliefs.
Love it Lui!
And just to add. This is quite hilarious. I found an article in PolitiFact debunking – I use the word very loosely – the article mentioned above.
This is what the CDC says:
People with COVID-19 have had a wide range of symptoms reported – ranging from mild symptoms to severe illness. Symptoms may appear 2-14 days after exposure to the virus. People with these symptoms may have COVID-19:
This list does not include all possible symptoms. CDC will continue to update this list as we learn more about COVID-19.
Comment:
Not specified but obviously what is understood is that they may have some of the symptoms. Choose any cluster of symptoms mentioned and I’m sure you’ll find they match one illness or another – perhaps several.
God they treat us like complete morons.
These are radiation sickness symptoms.
Also at play here is that for 150 years we have been told that the flu and colds are caused by external critters called viruses. The fact that no virus has ever been isolated from human tissue doesn’t seem to bother anyone. It is truth because that is what we have been told. It is a very powerful delusion. The fact that there are a myriad of other possible causes for these ailments is not considered. “I had it, it was terrible, so it must be a virus.” That people still use that one is inexcusable. The question, “what if a virus is an immune response” is never asked because, well, everyone knows a virus causes illness, right?
A very good point. Oh but what about SARS 2003, MERS, Zika, Ebola …? I think we know the answer.
We see strange omissions of reference to isolation of virus from alleged source of SARS-CoV-2, for example, from a “German traveller” in paper, Comparative pathogenesis of COVID-19, MERS and SARS in a non-human primate model and there is also a glaring omission of reference to isolation of virus from alleged source, a “fatal SARS case”, in a “brief communication” published by Nature on the 2003 SARS, Koch’s postulates fulfilled for SARS virus.
I don’t go down the virus is an immune response path because I like to keep it as simple as possible and minimise possibility of debate. There is no evidence of SARS-CoV-2 or COVID-19 is good enough but the virus being an immune response may well be true. I’ll wait till it’s explained in such a way that is 100% convincing.
Yes, I was thinking that every time I watch Al Jazeera, RT news or CNA (Channel News Asia from Singapore). All about cases, not deaths or hospitalisations.
Certain areas of the world do have overworked hospitals, but here in Thailand we’ve had 58 dead. We lose more people per week in road accidents…
I assume almost the whole population have been, or eventually will be, exposed to this virus.
100% of 68 million. 58 dead.
Infection can only be proved in any country by testing everyone!
I thought last year they’d retired this malfunctioning 5-Eyes PsyOps Agent #MI7-008 ?
Some of those 12 people that did die probably didn’t die of Covid19 either. You can leave hospital after testing positive and if you die of something else within 28 days your death is still counted as a Covid case. A complete con job!
As of yet, nobody has died OF Covid-19, just WITH it
Yeah, I read that. Public Health England majorly cocked-up the stats a little while, but the 28 day thing doesn’t seem that great.
Andy B – Yes, even now after changing the rules. It’s still a fraud. You should only be counted as a Covid death if you have died of the virus and nothing else.
Lockdown TV, April 26 2020, Interview with Professor Neil Ferguson:
In the first few (about 40) seconds into his opening remarks in response to the interviewer’s opening question re Sweden and after first noting that Sweden’s voluntary social distancing policy had–he estimated–reduced the infectivity rate (R0 reproduction number) from about 3 to about 1.4 or 1.5–Ferguson first mentioned, immediately contiguously as ‘deaths and cases‘, with absolutely equal vocal weight and semantic emphasis on each of those words.
Even the ordering of those two words, separated only by an ‘and’, was as or even more likely to have been pre-conditioned by the phrasing of the question rather than any prioritizing by Ferguson, whose epidemiological concern necessarily entails the timeline of condition→outcome.
On the Internet you still don’t need to rely on your memory to any great extent.
Care to rephrase?
Incidentally, as you have chosen to make the point of your article, including an extended discussion of the case and death statistics in New Zealand with what appears to be some very conspicuous coat-trailing (which may or may not be an attempt at a diversion away from the low numbers there and the governent response which has apparently produced them) followed by a seeming attempt to maintain strong ongoing rallying behind a hoary old staple of conspiracy addicts everywhere with some energetic dog-whistling about slippery slopes, you may also care to check out the New Zealand Labour coalition’s clearly stated position on all the usual tinfoiler’s ‘
foregone conclusionstalking points’, as conveyed in the uncut videos of their daily press briefings currently archived on the Ministry of Health’s COVID-19 site. It could almost seem as though freedom of opinion in some quarters has finally prevailed over the sanctity of facts in others.“conspiracy addicts”?”tinfoiler”? Seems you have a few of your own
foregone conclusionstalking points.No foregone conclusions here George.
Given the broad scope of the generally unquestioned structures of the ‘world order’ that COVID-19 has flushed out into plain man-in-the-street view, the possibility of a constitutionally questioning and frequently dissenting site/publication helping readers think through the various complex threads arising from what, for most people in the current five or six generations of the living (especially those who have experienced only the ‘long peace’ of the white, middle-class, western world) is probably the most traumatic public-health, socio-political and adverse economic event in their lives so far, had to be high.
And, indeed, for the first few weeks the initial attention the Off-Guardian gave to it was valuable. However, what can only be described as the intellectual paucity underlying the direction and consequent narrowness of its ‘dissenting view’ has taken the value of its analysis as a contribution towards the basis of a workable plan for a genuine (as distinct from Davos-style) ‘reset’ of public values, politics and culture to below that one would reasonably expect of the Beano or The Dandy.
They had a chance, they didn’t have the editorial brain to handle the task and they haven’t had the humility to let some additional brain–even just some unused parts of their own brains–in. In short, they’ve blown it. No way back (as I’ve recently read it said).
Me, I count that a bad
outcomeconclusion for something I’d hoped could be a potential contributer toward what could have been the first turnaround in the seemingly unstoppable species and general ecosystem annihilating scenario I’ve been watching unfold for most of a very long life now. And, however unlikely, a turnaround that may yet be. But that would be despite, not–however slightly–because of what has been going on around here.Ever thought of applying as a script writer for Yes Minister, Robbo?
Not since Jim Hacker died of mycosis fungoides and Sir Humphrey of a heart attack after a rough period with pancreatic cancer. I’m not sure which part of that you thought was funny.
You do realise that Hacker and Humphrey aren’t real people?
Long before you have apparently just (see “aren’t” above) realized that Paul Eddiington died of a T-cell lymphoma and Nigel Hawthorne, ‘with’ pancreatic cancer but ‘of’ a heart attack
Given, from your posts, that you appear to be a pretty high class troll, doing a whole variety of accents from soundbite pseudo-Marxism to lumpen blasts on a dogwhistle in the gutter, one wonders if you’ve thought of seeking part time payment from Alcoa* to help you through these times of universal financial stress.
* or rich step-daddy
Well that’s your weirdest one yet Robbo. Also, your most aggressive. As I noted above, you have the most tortured prose style which I try to unravel and often fail to. But there is a superciliousness which I have noted in other loudly self-proclaimed Marxists (and which Marx himself would never have showed. His anger was always aimed at those who deserved it.) Furthermore, your reference to Yes Minister misunderstands what I meant – which was simply that your convoluted verbiage would be ideal for one of their scripts. As long as you toned down the spite which wouldn’t be right for a family comedy.
As it happens, Mark was renowned for showing his anger, both directed–in bruising political polemic, as you note–but also in a very broad general–for instance in the frequent barroom brawls he started during his weekly pub crawls with his friend Engels on their way from the British Museum, where they would meet, to Marx’s home in Camden. Do you make up your dollops of self-righteousness as you go along or do reuse ones you prepared earlier, like any good tv chef?
Don’t tempt me on the one-line dog-whistle aggressions you have chosen to put out in lieu of ‘discussion’–it would be too easy to make a collection for general perusal.
Your first paragraph is uncharacteristically intelligible. I actually don’t object to it. “self-righteousness” is good. Makes me feel kinda macho.
The second one seems to teeter on the brink of the usual hallucinatory haze. So with reference to that, yeah whatever.
You reckon you haven’t posted a bunch of one-line aggressions at those who, or whom you suppose to, disagree with your take on things, especially, COVID-19, or just that they’re good currency for baseless claims of productive discussion round here? Not that I don’t quite often do the same, but then I don’t pretend that I don’t or haven’t. Do you sleep walk or drunk talk by any chance?
Yeah whatever.
What on earth are you talking about?
You write well but you don’t say much…
Maybe your expectations need managing. The revolution / turnaround/ change won’t come out of any website or the internet in general.
Thank you for the rare compliment. Most of youf fellow reviewers here say I write badly and say nothing.
On the contrary, insight based on individual experience goes nowhere until it is mediated through increasingly widely communicated (Latin ‘communicat’–‘shared’) insight and experience (which only then may or may not be translated into successful social action, which only then may or may not result in successful socio-politico-economic change, which only then may be sustained, decayed by an increasing historical irrelevance in the light of ongoing individual experience or betrayed by accident or by contrary intent…).
And, to back up a bit:
Maybe your self-proclaimed insight into my expectations (and, by extension, the
expectations of many others you know equally incompletely?) needs adjusting?
“You write well but you don’t say much” seems pretty close to a self-contradiction. I agree with second part.
They’re carting people off to isolation camps in New Zealand.
Contact tracing is already being used against protestors and activists.
Ferguson and his ties to pharma, Gates, security state apparatus and the NIH should be investigated.
The draconian measures that are being implemented are wholly based on fraud, racketeering and pseudoscience.
The isolation camps of which you speak are block-booked four-star hotels and the average stay is two weeks. Contract tracing information–at least in New Zealand–is not even being passed on to the Immigration service when it comes across visa over-stayers (rather as the US IRS didn’t pass on overstayer information to their immigration service–maybe still doesn’t, I haven’t checked).
Why are you seeking to discredit this publication in that scatter-gun bullshit sort of way?
You’re blatantly dishonest and disinformed.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/new-zealand-forcing-covid-19-patients-into-quarantine-camps-health-chief-announces
You posted:
and I replied:
The 'Life News' link you provided says itself:
and, in turn, links through to a list of the 32 hotels hosting New Zealand’s ‘[quarantine] facilities’ (not ‘[isolation] camps’. The Accor Hotel Group (Ibis, Novotel, Sebel, Grande Mercure, Pullman, etc), IHG (Holiday Inn, Crowne Plaza, etc), Marriott (Four Points/Sheraton, etc) run ‘camps’? Yeah, right.
As for ‘quarantine facilities’, they’re part of border biosecurity services in countries all over the world. Some of them–for humans, especially in ‘developing’ countries–might well be ‘camps’, others–for dogs–are probably more like kennels. You could ask Johnny Depp–he wouldn’t leave a dog in one. But maybe it would be easier just to ‘research’ the meaning of ‘quarantine‘. In COVID-19 New Zealand they’re medium-high class hotels.
You wrote:
I replied:
“Whoever sold you your ‘research’ qualification sold you a can of dogshit. How long ago was that? Recently, I guess–your breath still stinks of it.”
The non-functioning ‘quarantine‘ link above is here.
You posted:
and I replied:
The 'Life News' link you provided says itself:
and, in turn, links through to a list of the 32 hotels hosting New Zealand’s ‘[quarantine] facilities’ (not ‘[isolation] camps’). The Accor Hotel Group (Ibis, Novotel, Sebel, Grande Mercure, Pullman, etc), IHG (Holiday Inn, Crowne Plaza, etc), Marriott (Four Points/Sheraton, etc) run ‘camps’? Yeah, right.
As for ‘quarantine facilities’, they’re part of border biosecurity services in countries all over the world. Some of them–for humans, especially in ‘developing’ countries–might well be ‘camps’, others–for dogs–are probably more like kennels. You could ask Johnny Depp–he wouldn’t leave a dog in one. But maybe it would be easier just to ‘research’ the meaning of ‘quarantine‘. In COVID-19 New Zealand they’re medium-high class hotels.
You wrote:
I replied:
“Whoever sold you your ‘research’ qualification sold you a can of dogshit. How long ago was that? Recently, I guess–your breath still stinks of it.”
Accidental double post. I got isontined by the BTL comment ‘Edit’ function following a false positive from my browser.
Looking for info on financial connections between Gates Foundation and Neil Ferguson/Imperial College- whatever folks have would be appreciated.
I think this UKcolumn news coverage outlines some of the fundinghttps://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-15th-april-2020-imperial-college-bill-gates-connection
If thats not the one have a look at some of surrounding newsbites on this page
https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news-archive?page=2
I know they covered it around that time
Are you absolutely sure you’re NaN?
Two downvotes? Don’t know what NaN is?
https://www.gatesfoundation.org/search#q/k=imperial%20college%20london
https://www.gatesfoundation.org/search#q/k=london%20school%20of%20hygiene%20and%20tropical%20medicine&sort=rec
Both organisations have more than one employee or affiliated individuals on the SAGE Committee.
Maxwell
Further to my earlier comment to you on this, I have since had another look at the Gates Foundation supported Imperial College projects and spotted this interesting one dating from November 2019:
https://www.gatesfoundation.org/How-We-Work/Quick-Links/Grants-Database/Grants/2019/11/INV-003863
Now, remind me, aside from the total funding connection between Gates and Imperial College, what evidence is there to suspect an implicit connection between Gates Foundation/Imperial College/ a coronavirus vaccine? Hmm. I wonder.
Well observed. One further point. The increase in cases is mostly due to the fact that when COVID-19 was claiming lives no testing was done. Now they have started testing the positives are not infectious people but those who have probably built up antibodies in previous months. In all likelihood there is going to be a forthcoming spike because the BBC announced this morning that home-testing kits are being sent out. Please!
Ard the differences between the lamentably ambiguous, usually incorrectly or incompletely-specified molecular, antigen or antibody “tests” for SARS-CoV-2 and/or its consequent illness still, after all this time, escaping you?
Is your ability to form one single sentence that isn’t mangled Jibberish, “escaping you“?
Not to the extent that your inability to parse anything more intricate than an upvote or downvote is, if we are to accept the implications of your post, absolutely not escaping you.
I have the same trouble as “Researcher”. Take this:
This is such a cumbersomely constructed formation that it took me a while to unravel and then I found out that it wasn’t worth it anyway. As far as I can make out, you are saying that the tests are crap. That doesn’t change the fact that they will give positives. Granted the positives will be unreliable. Which won’t stop the media from telling us about them anyway. Meanwhile John is saying that even if the results were reliable, it still wouldn’t indicate anything about the severity of the issue. And that’s it. Seems like a tortured way of doing what you always do i.e. tell us we’re all stupid.
No, that wasn’t what I was (trying to) say. I was saying something else. But don’t worry about it: don’t like my posts, hit [Next] (after an optional quick jab at the ‘down’ counter if you want). Haven’t got a [Next] button? Get a better computer or just scroll on by.
No. “All” is a big word, not often applicable in the real human world (not that one would easily see that intuitively from just a look around the world’s BTLs). Nor do I often tell anyone (out loud or silently) they’re stupid, mostly because very few people are. However, quite a lot of people–both On and Off the Guardian–are or have been stupified. Big difference. Being stupified is an optional extra that is ultimately under the control of the stupified themselves. An optional drunk could choose to go along to the nearest pub/off-licence or to a local rehab. Many prefer the pub/off-licence.
Interesting. There’s that word “stupefied” again. So what is it then? The media has hypnotised everyone with a double bluff? The virus is being used but even the fact that it’s being used is part of the hypnosis?
“Stupified”? Well precedes SARS-CoV-2. That virus is a latecomer.
I remember when they started the lockdowns in many states is the USA (not sure about the UK) it was to “flatten the curve,” meaning so that the ICU’s didn’t get overwhelmed. They said it was only for 6 weeks. That’s a laugh. As to cases, most are built and the rt-PCR test. I am a chemistry major and have studied this intensively.
1) The insert on all the PCR (and antigen) tests in the USA read “not for diagnostic purposes.” Yet WHO, CDC, and FDA are using them exactly for that. The late inventor of PCR who won the 1993 Novel in chemistry fro that invention, Cari Mullis, stipulated that his invention should never be used for medical diagnosis as it is not suitable for quantitative biological analysis. It is basically a molecular photocopier machine which can rapidly turn a single strand of DNA into billions.
2) If one is dumb enough to believe that 3 huge skyscrapers can be felled into their own footprints with collisions of two jets, then one can certainly buy the COVID-19(84) narrative. Otherwise, one might see this as a global coup d’tat by the 0.001% ushering a neofeudal technocratic dystopia. The only solution is for large numbers of people not to comply. One might start by ripping their soiled diapers (nappies) from their mouths and noses.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the State.”
― Attributed to Josef Goebbels, Hitler’s Minister of Propaganda
“Deception is a state of mind, and it is the mind of the State.”
— James Angleton, Chief of Counterintelligence CIA, 1950-1975
What did Kary have to say about primers, probes, molecular beacons, noise and qualitative analysis in said stipulation?
Spot on Sir.
Totally agree but I would leave out the questionable quote and the Nazis in general.. it’s tired.
Well… All Great and Successful operations start with awesome PROPAGANDA!
OPERATION COVID also had an awesome start!
it crept up and spread like a fog i’d say..
Can’t you discuss any other subject but your theory that the covid 19 pandemic is a conspiracy. As I have lived through the reality of it, I appeal to you to discuss so many other subjects and problems that trouble this world.
I’d love to change the subject. But unfortunately THIS topic relentlessly drowns out every other one on the mainstream media itself. Furthermore THIS topic continues to have the most devastating effect on everyone’s life every single second of the day.
So what goes on in the mainstream media is some sort of de rigueur template for goings on here? Katherine Viner will be right chuffed, but I expect that such flattery will get the Off-Guardian nowhere when it comes to the hardheads on the Scott Trust Limited board. Try again?
Well sure Robbo, we don’t have to talk about what goes on in the mainstream media. We could discuss what we all had for breakfast this morning. Or what we watched last night on Netflix.
Nothing wrong with talking about what’s going on in the main stream media. Not very clever to wallow in a state of being stupified by it.
Tell that to the WSWS.
There you go again. As I recall, you were one of those several Off-Guardianistas who reported ‘seeing through’ the slavish adherence of the WSWS to the ‘mainstream narrative’ on this second ‘acid test’ of ‘true dissenters’ in our time (the first being, of course, 9/11) to doubt its bona fides sufficiently as to stop reading it regularly or at all.
Yet for well over a quarter of a century the WSWS (with occasional pre-Internet pamphleteering from members of the particular ICFI split that spawned it) has clearly stated its position on the implications and politics of the outbreaks of SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 and the various other communicable diseases that have caught its attention and it has been throughout both unvarying in that viewpoint and rock solid against what it sees in those events as an ongoing economic assault against the working class. Its utterly consistent analysis has had nothing to do with and long precedes any of the highly conditional and politically expedient attention to the same phenomena that is presented in the mainstream media.
Of course the WSWS follows the (current) scientific paradigm/s: in their view Marxism provides–after Marx “turned Hegel’s ‘idealistic’ dialectic on its head”–the world’s first ‘scientific’ (and so far only definitive) ‘historical dialectical materialism’. Utter rejection of idealism and the elevation of ‘science’ in its place is at the core of Marx’s, hence their, belief in and of what they were and are doing.
Elsewhere in these Off-Guardian BTLs I have linked to specific WSWS article/s from years ago that illustrate unequivocally their long-standing, pre-eminently consistent and entirely media-independent stance. QED (not that the self-worshipping intellectual midges of transiently convenient, self-elevating, virtue-signalling identity politics would even notice, or understand the basis of what they were looking at if they clicked those links and met the evidence head on).
Are you unaware of how jejune and stupefied the shucking of a whole previously-admired political movement because a single, long-term, absolutely consistent, entirely open and both likely and easily ascertainable political stance on a contingent point ripples its way across some of its more feckless and transient devotees’ simulation of coherent rationality makes those fair-weather devotees look? Thinking WSWS readers?Lazy-minded fanboys and fangirls, made in heaven for each other–until they experience a divergence of titillations, more like.
First, it would help if you gave me a response that wasn’t almost a month late so I can still recall the topic.
Second, there YOU go again with the straw man language about acid tests and true dissenters. I abandoned the WSWS because of its one dimensional drone which, as I noted several times, seemed indistinguishable from that of the BBC.
And linking in 9/11 (“of course”!) highlights the real issue – reversal of the burden of proof whereby we are badgered into accepting what is being shoved down our throats since we don’t want to suffer the pariah status of being called a “denier”.
And I note that all that heroic stuff about being “unvarying” in outlook, simply presupposes the deadlines of the virus.
The rest of your post veers off into the unreadable. So- yeah whatever.
Dear Lynette
What troubles you more than the house arrest of 3/4 of the plant on a ruse?
i hope this response does not increase you salary as a paid shill.
Why don’t you share what the “reality of it ” was then?
“You probably didn’t hear about that, because sometime in the last five weeks or so the media completely stopped using the word “deaths”, and started talking only about “cases”. – no, actually, I did, the death figures were widely reported in the media today, you sick twisted individual
Here in Australia the media is now saying “active cases”, and sometimes “infected cases” or just “infections”.
Here in UK it’s mostly ‘cases’ .
Deaths from what?
Heart disease? Cancer? Diabetes? Pneumonia? Sepsis? Suicides? Old Age?
The “deaths” are simply numbers reported in the media that emanate from various government sources.
People die everyday but nobody died from SARS-COV-2.
Grey haired, no tied, blackrak Obama weighs in. HOPE! He screams. CHANGE! He lies again.
Are the USAsians dumb enough to let themselves be swindled again?
The dice are being cast. Let’s see.
DunGroanin, There’s NOBODY to vote for who wdn’t be a swindle.
See if you can get a visa to Lebanon. There’s a bunch of Lebanese looking for enthusiasts like you.
There is no PCR “test”. Don’t fall for this misnomer.
It is not a test it is a process.
According to the inventor of the process – Kary Mullis – ( who got a Nobel prize for his effort), it isn’t a test and shouldn’t be treated as such.
Furthermore, the antibody test cannot tell the difference between the common cold and c19 – which they haven’t even isolated yet…
You can’t get that through to the fuck-wits wearing the masks.
Aside from all the other health problems caused by breathing through cloth, it seems that wearing a mask also causes deafness.
Oh yes…
And stupidity…
Or are they pre-stupid?
That’s bad? I thought that not increasing their fuck-wittery load would be good.
People in London – please come to Trafalgar Square on Saturday, 29 August from 12pm to protest against covid shit show!! It’s the least we can do.
My local news is continuing with daily articles about side effects from Covid, since deaths are not happening in large enough numbers to incite the requisite terror. Today’s headline was: “Intermountain Healthcare research: Clear link between COVID-19 and heart disease”
The research methods are bad but it hardly matters to people who continue to push masks, delaying school openings, staying on lockdown till a vaccine, etc. It’s demoralizing.
I read a report today that analyses the post-covid never ending symptoms of 1500 people. There were probably 50 symptoms listed that align with any illness!
My favorite of late is “brain fog.” I see/hear it everywhere as a symptom of switching to a vegan diet, switching to a carnivore diet, stopping your crossfit regimen, or whatever fad du jour is up for debate. If you want people to fear something, tell them it will cause “brain fog.” On my local news website, all the commenters who have recovered from covid still feel that they have lingering “brain fog” months later.
Also my mother in law told me the other day that covid can cause baldness.
Oh yeah, bold men over 6ft are generally more susceptible 🤦🏼♀️
Haha that will be a headline over at ksl.com (my local news site) shortly I bet.
I’ve already seen it on bbc so it shouldn’t be long 😊
Cool, I’m 5’11” so will be safe.
Retroactively, too…
Brain fog is a most useful psyop since most of the people that lap up their propaganda are already suffering from it anyway.
Perfect match, for snake oil sales. Chaching.
Such ads are “How the West Was Won”.
£4¢$4$~~~
“Only among people whose minds have been weakened by a sort of mesmerism could so transparent a trick as that of advertising ever have been tried at all.”
~~ GKC, “What I Saw in America”, about a century ago
Yes, agreed. Brain fog implies that these people usually see clearly…
I will check that one out by GKC. “The Man Who Was Thursday” is one of my favorites.
Maybe brain fog will become the new “twinkie defense”.
“Your honor, I just found the gun in my hand and the body on the floor. But I had recently tested positive, so it’s all a (brain) fog….”
Baldness. That’s great! My 82 year old friend told me that it causes loss of smell.
Who ARE these people???
Kamayok. Yes, it does in some people cause a temporary loss of smell.
Brain fog is the default state for the majority staring at their phones, it seems.
Yes, like the economy and every aspect of our life.
It’s the covid.
Didnt graduate. Covid
Got fired. Covid
Stock market down Covid
Loved ones died alone Covid
I haven’t, don’t and never will refer to what’s going on as “covid” “corona” or “the virus”
I have, do and always will refer to what’s going on and the ramifications as “the lockdown”.
(with all due respect to people that did get sick with something that because of the state of their overall health lead to their demise)
I’m the same. I have never referred to it as covid or the virus. I say, “our current state of affairs” or something like that. Words matter and to use the word virus just confirms to people that there is actually a virus BUT THERE IS NOT EVEN A VIRUS!!!
Agreed – we were infected by lockdown fever and it extended to mask fever.
Vaccine fever is next and fear accompanies each fever.
And a “virus” didn’t lock down schools, libraries, hospitals, jobs, playgrounds, theaters, concerts, sports. And didn’t cause people to DIE ALONE in nursing homes and hospitals.
The big RE-SET did that.
The Wuhan scientists know there’s a virus, as they found and isolated it as long ago as 2012, along with many others. Their research progress is available online. It’s silly to make this argument; it’s the absurd panicked reaction by authorities either panicked or corrupt that we oppose. Making this argument just makes it easy to smear all critics as conspiracists, so helping the authoritarians.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature12711?fbclid=IwAR13dLP-B4mOYlfWlwkl9Ciys5jaHmUeenjgQjjkbp0cwPVWuSOBrHYk9SA
You are confused. They are claiming that what we have now is another “novel” coronavirus, different and more deadly than the “SARS-like” virus described in that study.
In truth they don’t know what any of this stuff they call “viruses” is or what it really does. It’s all speculation hijacked by an intent to sell vaccines, which relies on the belief that the human immune system is inadequate and needs technological reinforcement- which we must all pay for. That reinforcement comes from the frankenstein science of vaccines, using cells from aborted fetuses and cancer causing materials in the mix, for good measure.
Imagine Gollum donning a white coat and realising he can sell the marks literally anything and you get the picture.
The humble GP has the hardest job in many allopathic diagnostic chains.
By the time many cases reach anything like a $peciali$t, a platoon of medical lackeys have sorted out exactly what–at least in their allopathic terms–they’re passing on to him or her. All the $peciali$t has to do is tick the workup he or one of his colleagues have taught the lackeys how to do, then get on with the ‘important’ stuff.
On the other hand, in an extraordinary number of cases of some particular ailment that is allopathic bad news, the GP is faced with an incoherent walk-in presenting a whole array of ambiguous, individually-mediated symptoms, present in some cases but not in others, in a multitude of permuations and combinations that their pooled and differential diagnostic playbooks either cover inadequately or don’t cover at all, and from out of that mess they are expected to decide whether or not to simply sympathise, prescribe an aspirin, request a referral, or call an ambulance.
That’s why, in the USA, many frontline doctors refuse to advise patients on whom to consult further (insurance and liability problems) while in the UK they potentially risk NHS restrictions on their freedom to refer, disciplinary proceedings or worse, should they get it wrong.
But you knew that, didn’t you?
What a civilised and evolved state of affairs.
Did you read that hiccups are a tell-take sign of the Conofavirus busily clogging up your cells?
If that is so, then I’ve been infected for years.
I hadn’t heard! If that’s the case it sounds like we should both be long dead by now.
Narrative leverages are used to drive the introduction of regulations, that ratchet up but rarely release back to free or natural associations.
The narrative can be switched, morphed mutated or even sacrificed to another means to ratchet up control, demand sacrifice and mask it as virtue.
Possession and power operates fear of dispossession of power.
This is not just in the rich, or ruthless manipulators of the rich, but the identity in fear and control.
Can anyone here direct me to details of Neil Ferguson’s financial ties/arrangements with Pharma, the Gates Foundation, etc…?
Anodyne.
But…but…there’s this.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/19/sweden-records-highest-death-tally-in-150-years-in-first-half-of-2020
‘ the death toll has been higher than in its Nordic neighbours, which opted for tougher lockdown measures. Norway, with about half Sweden’s population, has had only about 260 Covid deaths in total.
The economy of Finland also outperformed its larger neighbour in the second quarter, despite a tougher lockdown. Finland’s gross domestic product shrank by 5% against an 8.6% contraction in Sweden from the previous three-month period.’
…………
Anyway why should we got back to the old normal dogs dinner of a rat race and sardined commuter daily horror of rush hour? I am looking forward to the city centres being converted into housing to put some human life in these otherwise sterile spaces.
The weeds of oppression also have potential to be cut back to leave such great flowers.
You are in for a shock. I know the sheeple are dumb but you are exceptional.
THANKS.
I am retired and I want the old normal back. If that means people like you have to go to work on the train, like I did for forty years, then so be it.
If working remotely is the new normal thing, then why not have the workers as remote as India, on a quarter of the pay. Big savings to be made.
Why not? Why should the workers in ‘remote’ India be any different to YOU? Are you exceptional? And ‘indispensable’?
Lols
Why not? In short, the old race to the bottom.
Like that you may help British businesses, but not British workers. Owners must always reduce wage costs if possible, and so hire the cheapest. Indian workers get jobs, Brits lose and stay poorer. Same logic with endless immigrant labour.
Japan is studiously ignored by such people: double the numbers of Brits, 13x Swedes, yet until a week ago had a death count in 3 figures. Now it’s a 1000 and change. No lockdown. True they wear masks, but they were a maskophile nation long before this.
(Besides which, masks are useless, as even WHO, among other dubious agencies, readily admits.)
What a farce.
Sigh, some people, err, 🐑-le.
Oh dear. Mr E. Sweden can’t be used as strawman so you construct Japan!
Genius that you are.
Why sneer? Do you want to debate or hate?
(t)OUCH(é) !!!
Now I’ve got a dueling scar of mansur. Great! Just great. Sigh…
Well, I guess I’ll just have to do my best to man up and wear it like a bloody 🏅…
But DG carved from cheek to lip?!
Asymetrically?!
Say it ain’t so…
Get Swedish news from their chief epidemiologist himself, Anders Tegnell, who explains how Sweden beat coronavirus without lockdowns or ruining their economy. The Graun must smear Sweden in order to maintain its narrative about the great threat to life and freedom, covid19. Posters probably know the Graun has been non-profitable for some years, thus making it very dependent on private funders like Bill Gates.
https://unherd.com/2020/07/swedens-anders-tegnell-judge-me-in-a-year/
The guy who is deleting emails that show he was planning excess deaths ?
The debate is and should be about just wtf this new virus is and how it works so that we can do something about it.
The clues are being gathered , the official and unofficial propaganda is being taken apart faster with FACTS. That is science.
It cannot be politically, militarily or religiously ‘uninvented’ – just like the atomic bomb can’t be.
Currently the narrative is aimed at getting children back to school in a couple of weeks. Politically that is what is needed to keep people on message. The truth of whether the elites believe that it’s safe is going to be seen by how many Eton/Winchester pupils go back under the same conditions as the rest of our kids.
Another clue.
I dont get why this troll is still tolerated here.
“Also we need to share info about these marches ***before*** they happen so people have time to make plans to attend. I’ve not seen one thing mentioned, even in the comments, ahead of time, only people saying they’ve happened and posting links to videos which helps nobody organise to attend.
This is going to be slap bang in the middle of nowhere in the comments but London Saturday August 29th Trafalgar Square 12 midday.
I have a flyer in png format but can’t get it to embed in my comment, if anyone knows how to please let me know.”
Well done Paul
Yes! I’ll be there too!
I’ll come and count YOU. one. But I’m sure it will be virtually a hundred thousand you.
Are you cabinet or 77? Your scripts are getting hard to tell apart.
Excuse me? We have actually attended a march in shoreditch last weekend, so not sure what your stupid comment is about.
How many were there? I didn’t hear anything about it.
My comment is about pathetic agit prop counter narrative by the state to push through their agenda.
There weren’t many people, perhaps around 200-300, but I suspect the one in Trafalgar square will be larger. As I said, it’s not a lot, but at least it’s something. @standup organise these all over uk
Maybe he wants to divide us, like the globalist elites do.
I’ll be there , that’s two . Chin up I’m sure you’re lovely once you’ve warmed up .
What ‘Color’ mask will you be wearing. I’ll come give you a hug.
Shall I bring some corn? Do the pigeons still land on your hand?
We can have a jolly little get together and go swimming in the fountains- it may be hot enough.
Could us Offguardists attending arrange to meet in person, and argue about who is really 77th Brigade? They’d probably whack us.
Here is a new book on the subject. The book touches on some of the questions highlighted in the article. https://www.amazon.com/COVID-2020-World-Petri-DIsh-ebook/dp/B08FGB2W19/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1F8A45IYIII8N&dchild=1&keywords=covid+2020&qid=1597521192&sprefix=covid+2020%2Caps%2C231&sr=8-4
The WHO states by September 2020 –
“The United Nations (including WHO) conducts at least two system-wide training and simulation exercises, including one for covering the deliberate release of a lethal respiratory pathogen.”
WHO – WORLD AT RISK PDF
https://apps.who.int/gpmb/assets/annual_report/GPMB_Annual_Report_Exec_Summary_Foreword_and_About_English.pdf
Simulation exercises.
SIMULATION.
Yes they’ve been planning the Covid stunt for years. Many people, even those on this site, haven’t yet grasped the enormity of what is happening and still they worry about unimportant things, when we are now in a last ditch fight for our very lives.
The UN and WHO/Bill Gates are bringing us, at breakneck speed their notorious Agenda 21 and things will inevitably soon turn very ugly. We are about to be sustainably developed and at the heart of this process you will find Bill Gates, syringe in hand, bidding us a not so fond farewell. The apocalypse is almost upon us.
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Yes that’s the explanation.
Two exercises required *before* September 2020
Is coronie the first or second of these? Must be the first, so will the second be the coronie 2nd wave or will it be when they flick the satellite switches and bath us in 5G from space to knock over those particularly sensitive individuals.
Bill n’ Mel seem confident. Maybe the 5G (it’s harmless, follow the science!) will be passed off as a bigger and badder coronie comeback; we’ll be pleading for the injectables!
David
I like to hope that Event 201 was the first exercise which would, hopefully, rule out or reduce the chances of another pandemic being declared. Having said that, I can almost guarantee there will be a ‘second wave’ in September …all the warning signs are there.
No evidence of a second wave yet, and many top experts saying it’s most unlikely. Here’s one:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11763983/coronavirus-second-wave-virologist/
But Prof Pennington is speaking from a scientific perspective, not a political one. 😉
5G beamed from space wouldn’t begin to get anywhere near you. Where do you get your ‘science’ from? The small print on the back of Cocopops packets?
I don’t have my own science; for my comment that you take exception to, there are plenty of people expressing alarm about the 5G switch on. Here for instance:-
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/what-you-should-know-about-5g-satellites-how-musks-sci-fi-dreams-are-becoming-our-living-nightmare/
The other thing is the confidence of Bill ‘n Mel that we’ll really “get it” when the 2nd pandemic hits us. See the second video clip in this off-G article:-
https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/23/we-must-inoculate-ourselves-against-the-crazy-anti-rationalists/
So why are they so smug? Do you think there’s going to be a real 2nd wave of a covid-19 viral infection that’s disappeared in the UK? I don’t claim to know very much other than putting 2 and 2 together makes 4. Maybe you have better ideas.
If so you should find another way of expressing your superior knowledge, because otherwise you sound in the same ballpark as Boris Johnson – “anti-vaxxers are nutters”. You are giving the impression that you also get your science from Ferguson.
Didnt Mike Pompep tell Trump at the beginning of the “Pandemic” that they are in the middle of a live exercice and Trump then replied ” you should have told me”?
We must have watched the same video by that Indian lady? I’m not sure, but I will say that what she claims does fit with the body language.
It would be good if someone with sharp hearing / excellent audio equipment could confirm this one way or the other.
That’s an extremely useful link, thanks. Bookmarked for reuse
Why was my comment removed?
What’s the point of even having a site like this if you’re not going to allow comments that are more pertinent than the articles being written?
There are no pandemics.
They are faked. Time and time again that’s been proven. From every swine flu to every flu where they claim all deaths from pneumonia or COPD or even lung cancer, if it includes any “flu like“ symptoms, is recorded as a flu death, even without laboratory confirmation or testing.
In 1976 more than 40,000 Americans were vaccinated for swine flu. There was not a single case of laboratory confirmed swine flu in the US. They rushed a vaccine, they tested it and they ran a scare campaign on tv and in the press. The vaccine they tested appeared safe. Then at the last minute they swapped the tested vaccine and gave the 40,000 volunteers an untested vaccine. Thousands of injuries resulted from paralyses to neurodegenerative damage.
Why did authorities and the media hype a pandemic that never existed?
Why were the origins of the 1918 flu from a vaccination program by the military in Kansas never divulged to the public?
Why did a recent paper co-authored by Fauci show post mortem analysis of the 1918 flu victims as the cause of death from a bacterial infection?
Why did the scientists, the NIH, FDA and CDC allow an untested and unsafe vaccine to be administered to the public in 1976?
The history of these pandemics is based on scientific fraud.
The eugenics movement moved underground and now resides within the science, technology and the medical-pharma establishment.
Another article on this site has established that the covid-19 tests are scientifically meaningless. Let’s delve into the tests and examine what is happening.
Look at any of the papers that have been published on the tests or the pre-prints and you’ll see that they are testing for fractions of several enzymes including ORF8.
The enzymes are not exclusively unique to the genome of SARS-COV-2 therefore there’s no connection to the virus itself. Therefore the tests cannot detect viral infection, therefore the tests are being used to claim cases where there’s no proof of case existence or infection.
That’s why so many supposedly positive covid cases are asymptomatic.
How is an illness or viral infection asymptotic? That’s not logical. Nobody gets a cold or a flu and doesn’t know it. That’s absurd.
Moreover, the tests can’t detect viral load. So all the published papers citing viral teters and load in patients, are FRAUDULENT.
The test numbers prove nothing other than a test the public paid for showed positive for part of an enzyme in a reverse transcriptase PCR test that is NOT EXCLUSIVE TO A VIRUS.
How can a papaya test positive for covid-19? Because they contain a myriad of enzymes. Some of the same enzymes they are using in the covid-19 tests.
The symptoms for covid-19 have been broadened so much they include fever, headache, aches and pains, cough, shortness of breath, dry cough and numerous other systems all associated with radiation exposure.
The people who are censoring my comments are uninformed of the peer reviewed scientific papers that I have read and analyzed.
The science around vaccines and viruses is based on fraud.
The only proof that there’s a virus stems from those under contract and recipients of NIH-DARPA-GATES money. Money from taxpayers in the US and given to scientists and academic institutions in grants and black budget operations where the scientists signed confidentiality agreements and national security laws under threat of prosecution.
No independent scientists that aren’t on the NIH-DARPA-GATES payroll have been heard from in the media or by any of the so-called “authorities” regarding the validity of this virus or the vaccine technology.
The Imperial College modelers we’re heavily involved in the false alarmist number of mortality predictions, one of whom, Sir Roy Anderson, is a discredited and admitted liar was on the board of the Gates Foundation, Scientific Grand Challenges. His bio includes Wellcome Trust, a funder of bioweapons at Pirbright.
He was also connected to the RussiaGate fraud. He was on the board along with Richard Dearlove
If you look into every entity that’s responsible for proof that a virus even exists you’ll find NIH-DARPA-GATES money.
Dozens of listings from the federal register that show vaccine and licensing technology for the current coronavirus vaccines have been recently removed.
The vaccine technology that I saw on the federal register that’s been removed, all emanate from a the network of scientists at academic institutions in joint international collaborations that have been funded by NIH-DARPA. They include vaccines for cancer, GBS, polio, measles, Zika, Yellow Fever, Ebola, HIV, Rift Valley Fever and many more. This is the “decade of vaccines“ to come, from never ending pandemics with bioweapon lab created vectors inside the vaccines.
Why were those federal register notifications of the patents and the licensing technology removed? They’ve been removed because they are solid evidence of a large scale racketeering operation.
If everything the NIH and DARPA are doing is above board, why are they physically removing documentation that prove Fauci and other government officials lied to the public about the vaccine origins?
The NIH has been working behind the scenes with Moderna and other vaccine manufacturers since 2015. The dates are documented proof in the agreement between NIH and Moderna.
The patent signatories include Ralph Baric, who is the pre-eminent, gain of function bioweapons Coronavirus creator.
The Oxford vaccine failed completely when the monkeys were challenged with the virus during the animal testing phase, so why is Astra Zeneca going forward with that failure?
That’s the vaccine that’s going to be given to Australians.
Is the UK population going to get that failed vaccine candidate? Or are they going to do a bait and switch like they did in 1976 in the US?
There’s a massive coverup operation underway on all fronts including the effects of 5g radiation and it must be exposed.
Look up the symptoms of EMF radiation sensitivity and you’ll see they correlate with covid-19 symptoms.
“Exposure to radiation can cause common respiratory problems like cough, cold, sinusitis and asthma… sudden shortness of breath and fluctuating blood pressure.”
Radiation sickness symptoms include, headache, fever, nausea, diarrhea, dizziness, disorientation, infections, weakness and fatigue according to the MAYO Clinic.
“Difficulty breathing — often accompanied by a dry (nonproductive) cough — is the most common symptom of pneumonitis.” From the Mayo Clinic website on pneumonitis symptoms, after whole body radiation treatment.
Good points raised. Just as all the terrorism events from 2001 onwards were staged to keep the fear going to justify mass domestic surveillance powers and crucially destroy and balkanise local rivals to Israel and steal their assets.
2014 was a major year because secretly Obama lifted the Smith Mundy Act which prevented the US from performing psychological warfare on US citizens.
You could argue that Brexit was the first major psy op and since then its been building consistently to the point where the fear is as high as its ever been.
Wreck the minds of your people to usher in the massive changes you want to make on society. Position yourself as the saviour and the person that can take the fear away, its classic and pretty obvious once you’ve studied it.
“How can a papaya test positive for covid-19?”
I think that pretty much sums it all up.
the same back in the 90;s when you could test positive for aids hiv in certain demographic areas gay black lationo very poor white areas and then go get tested in upper more lets say White rich areas and get negative result
nothing new with BS19 they just ampd it up
All excellent points and much truth in there. Nevertheless we are in a post-truth world as you know. I’m not too sure how we turn this around to be frank. Sanity and reason simply don’t count any longer among the muzzles numpties and they are legion.
@kevinpk We’re not just in a post-truth world but a post-proof world also. They just have to assert something and it is so; no proof offered. Russia did it. China did it. Russia and China did it. Etc. But ask for proof and you’re a Putin stooge – an accusation all too reminiscent of the Nazis.
I think we can turn it around by exposing each issue one at a time, with a view to simultaneously discussing the real motives behind the pandemic and the seriousness of what’s at stake.
If the broader agenda is excluded from the discussion it confuses those who never questioned the official narrative as to why governments, institutions, corporations, academics and scientists would be all of one voice in the Greek Chorus of Covid.
The first step is exposing the myths, then unite and coalesce against their plans, then mount legal challenges.
It’s time for all of us to speak out in unison, to unite left and right, all colors, classes, creeds and citizens everywhere.
I’m all for unity of left and right. Sadly, you reply to someone who divides us by blaming the muzzled more than the muzzlers. Blaming victims is horribly common on this forum. It’s elitism.
Who do you see and oppose as most problematic: the muzzlers or their victims, we the muzzled?
We’re dealing with a planned event which means that ultimately, all governments and officials agreed in advance to the agenda. Nobody had been caught off guard and they were all prepared. They’ve been preparing this for more than two decades.
Uniting left and right ultimately means to stop talking about politics and start talking about the issues, the phony science, the re-engineering of the economy, the social re-engineering, the technocratic agenda and the lies being spread by the media and officials.
This is apolitical. Both parties are involved in this fraud and work together against the citizens.
There is a major stumbling block in that plan and that is the common so-called “Occam’s Razor ” belief that such a global conspiracy is too intricate and far fetched to be possible. I’m afraid the creatures praying on humanity have superior cunning and strategic foresight than most of us. Modern domesticated humanity simply cannot digest the fact that its shepherds are wolves, it’s too much evil for them to cope with.
David Ike was ridiculed and will be forever rejected because of his comment about reptilians. If you take that as a metaphor it hits a bit too close to home and it’s not the sort of knowledge that’s conducive to being a “normal” person…
So, most people simply will not go there, they will tune that out and choose to believe that the governments have for once done the right thing and prevented a greater crisis- because modern culture has been conditioned for this perpetual crisis situation since the schizophrenic rantings of the Book Of Revelation were published. As we have been conditioned to obey, “for the greater good”, and essentially accept a dictatorial and parasitic situation, because “that’s the way things are”.
People are spiritually ill through a denial and fear of death, as well as from being constantly preyed upon, and they’re expressing that illness more and more.
Perhaps the comment was considered to run to too many pages?
Otherwise, it made a great many excellent points.
Personally, I like one article per page, with the rest being comments (summaries of what the person concerned thinks).
Not the same comment. Different points.
In fact, if the first comment wasn’t removed there would have been no need for any other.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
”They are faked. Time and time again that’s been proven. From every swine flu to every flu where they claim all deaths from pneumonia or COPD or even lung cancer, if it includes any “flu like“ symptoms, is recorded as a flu death, even without laboratory confirmation or testing.”
I’ll buy some of that. But ‘proven’ time and time again ? So what was the Spanish Flu of 1918 about. What was that proven to be.
The Eugenics movement has always been underground.How many leaders, scientists or anyone like Gates or Fauci have ever used the term publicly. Even Gates won’t.They’ll call it a lot of things but never Eugenics.Looking at the world it seems clear that selective breeding or breeding out of impurities and imperfections have been long discarded in favour of a new age form of ethnic cleansing.The new ethnicity is a blanket demographic of around 6, 5 billion non billionaires.The planet has become one big Nazi death camp. It’s taken 55 years but they got their. Nazism was a rehearsal.The invented bad guy to forever hold up as evil to fear and avoid.And the magicians who held it up where the same people..
Covid is a drill. It’s about behaviourism and social engineering and mass hysteria and hypnosis. A dry run. Notes will be taken and compared. Then they’ll see which the best strategy is to force their gas-in-a-syringe into us without us believing they’re the bad guys..
Read it.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2599911/
I did..
Conclusions
”The majority of deaths in the 1918–1919 influenza pandemic likely resulted directly from secondary bacterial pneumonia caused by common upper respiratory–tract bacteria. Less substantial data from the subsequent 1957 and 1968 pandemics are consistent with these findings”
It suggests that it was easier to examine the physical specimens of 1918 than 1957. But the word i have a problem with is ‘likely’. If we want to offer something and call it ‘proven’ it shouldn’t be able to be contradicted by it’s own lack of definitive evidence.’Likely’ does this.
If we allow this as a token ‘margin of era’ then we can also allow it when defining the common symptoms of Influenza which reads very closely to the aforementioned description :
”Influenza, also called flu or grippe, an acute viral infection of the upper or lower respiratory tract”
Credibility is another problem. Fauci and his team ?
We’ve seen Fauci in the past and we are aware of his questionable history and the subsequent few billion he made by suppressing information about HIV and AIDS. More recently, he has tried to suppress the efficacy of HCQ and Zinc as treatment for this Covid 19. Yet the doctors who advocate it’s use have said the success rate is phenomenal. Fauci has a conflict of interests wouldn’t you say ? And not for the first time.
Fauci has joined Bill ‘pharma billionaire’ Gates and Kissinger and the usual suspects in singing the same old song. We need a multi billion dollar global vaccine programme. Each Government needs to buy into it( thus further crippling their people after this lockdown of the respective economies).
The billionaire philanthropists have ‘given’ billions to this alleged research.Now they’re calculating the bills in advance of trying to crush the global economy once and for all.And get their cash back with interest again naturally. It’s a good business to be in that ‘philanthropy’..
I agree with much of this post. I’d just add that it’s hard to imagine a better and more useful disguise for tyranny than philanthropy. “The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants”, the great Albert Camus famously wrote, with reference to the communist monsters of the C20th. It could be Gates or Soros today. My other favourite is from Alexandr Solzhenitsyn, who famously survived and escaped the Soviet gulags where millions died. “To do real evil, people must really believe they are doing good”.
Exactly. I emphasised the word ‘philanthropy’ so you’d know I was pointing out the irony that only kids the sleepy sheep.
Quite a few people escaped the Gulags. Including Peter Kropotkin… I think that qualifies as “badass”.
I’m not writing a scientific paper, they are. I don’t actually have to believe anything they put in that paper, since most scientific papers are based on results that are unrepeatable.
The significance is the entire medical industrial complex has been lying about the causes of death.
That in itself proves that pandemics aren’t real because
* the tests they use aren’t related to a virus.
* pandemics are based on hype.
* the deaths in ”pandemics” are not from the virus, but from secondary causes.
* they’re media driven scare campaigns for control, to pass laws that inhibit people’s civil rights and liberties
* they’re money making exercises that drive people to be vaccinated and those vaccinations make them money, also sickening people long term and creating repeat business, long term.
This is more than making money.
The vaccination campaigns, the scaremongering, the bioweapons labs, is racketeering based on fraud. And the media has been presenting the Fauci and pharma led campaigns as if their shouts of pandemics and viruses being deadly are facts when they are not facts.
They’re fiction.
There’s no facts that prove people die of viruses, yet there is an established and known fact that people die from medical mismanagement and from secondary causes including bacterial infections which lead to pneumonia, sepsis and organ failure.
What we don’t know yet is if viruses even exist because there isn’t enough proof to say either way if they exist or not.
I’ve looked at the evidence on both sides and I don’t know yet.
What I claimed is that there is more than enough proof to state that the pandemics are not real.
Many of the deaths in 1918 in hospitals were from aspirin overdose.
What I believe is happening is that viruses aren’t spread by mouth, but that bacterial infections are spread through the enteric tract and in feces. Which would explain why so many workers in meat processing plants that were recently shut down were being sickened. Whatever bacterial infection is going around right now is being spread through contaminated feces.
The elimination of the so-called “contagious” viral diseases wasn’t caused by vaccinations but by sanitation, better nutrition, clean water, refrigerated food and hand washing.
The Medical Industrial Complex tried to take credit for something they had nothing to do with, and their entire paradigm for the spread of “the virus” is false.
Therefore the pandemic as they claim it as being a deadly viral contagious pathogen, spread through respiratory droplets is also false.
If even one of their claims is false and can be proven to be false their entire pandemic scenario is fiction.
Since I can show enough evidence that disputes the validity of one or more of their claims, I can prove that everything they’ve claimed that depends on their initial claim is false.
Therefore we don’t need any of the following;
*lockdowns
*masks
*social distancing
*travel bans
*closure of businesses
*immunity passports
*vaccines
*biometric surveillance
*contact tracing
The point isn’t my choice of wording. It’s their multiple false claims.
Those blow filled seal contents in the vaccines need to be examined and analyzed in independent labs before they are distributed.
”I’m not writing a scientific paper, they are. I don’t actually have to believe anything they put in that paper”
Exactly.And i didn’t suggest you were. All i said was that the use of ‘proven’ needs to have evidence to support it. LIke you said it had been ‘proven’ that all flu, including the 1918 flu, were non existent. I asked what they were instead. You posted a link with two words ‘read it’
I read.And i saw a paper put together by Fauci and his team and all it said was ‘likely’. That’s no proof of anything either.So i pointed out the similarity to his ‘likely’ conclusion and the actual medical definition of flu.
Fauci and gates and friends organised this scam decades ago.They’ve practiced and prepared since 2000.We know it isn’t what they say and we know they have motive to lie. One is the vast wealth they’ll accrue through the vaccines and the other, bonus if you like, is that it will at best make us ill enough to be rendered medication junkies, and at worst kill or maim us.
But who do you tell.When the highest in the land in every country is rubbing their hands waiting for them to do it you’re on your own.
It is proof there wasn’t a pandemic. Just because the authors added a word doesn’t change the result of the study.
I’ve read hundreds and hundreds of scientific papers and words such as “may” “likely” “could” “indicates” are the norm.
It’s just to prevent the paper from being bounced.
The autopsy results “proved“ the 1918 flu patients died from a bacterial infection. Not a virus.
The “time and time again” phrase refers to the number of times that scientists and officials have been caught lying about the nature of viruses, deaths, vaccination programs and pandemics.
”Just because the authors added a word doesn’t change the result of the study.”
Is their proof that someone added a word ? If they added a word they’ve corrupted the study.
”I’ve read hundreds and hundreds of scientific papers and words such as “may” “likely” “could” “indicates” are the norm.”
I know. But ‘proof’ and ‘proven’ aren’t in that list.
”The autopsy results “proved“ the 1918 flu patients died from a bacterial infection. Not a virus.”
The researcher concluded it could be.; it might have been; Not proof that it was the case.Therefore you can’t quote what somebody speculated or suspected as proof or proven.
I suppose the decider is the credibility of the authors and researchers.Fauci only has credibility among his own type. They make big money from pharma.That’s called agenda.Not science.
Scientists are concerned with scientific truths, than can be proven and they must be replicated and proven over and over again before it is a proven scientific truth
may, likely,could,indicates are prefixed with ‘the evidence suggests’….we work on prevoius scientific evidence…the words do not come out of fresh air.
I just want to point out the fact that all results of any scientific paper must be able to be replicated….if not your paper will be thrown out.
We learn from any thing that can be replicated, that’s how science works, you can refine and fine tune…no room for anyrhing other than hypothesis stands or hypothesis falls
Exactly. And that Fauci et al paper is taking a swing at it. ‘likely’ using his rationale also fits the flu hypothesis too.
Again i can only agree
The many hundreds of concentration camps in communist China are real and hold between 1-3m Muslims, Tibetans and other dissidents, say escapees and human rights activists. Torture, sterilisation, death and organ harvesting are common. I fear calling the planet ‘one big death camp’ helps people ignore this much greater horror. When will leftists join Trump in condemning and opposing communist China? They might regain some credibility if they did.
https://www.haaretz.com/amp/world-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-a-million-people-are-jailed-at-china-s-gulags-i-escaped-here-s-what-goes-on-inside-1.7994216#click=https://t.co/fjE0HETnxy
” I fear calling the planet ‘one big death camp’ helps people ignore this much greater horror. ”
China is only one country. Like Palestine is. Can that make either or both a bigger problem than the whole planet ?
To be honest, if i’d escaped from a prison that was torturing and killing people and experimenting on others, my first port of call would be to pursue avenues that would lead to China facing an international court and being charged with war crimes and crimes against humanity. It wouldn’t be to seek out photographers and magazines with cheque books.
I know China isn’t known for Gold resources in their rocks and they have no oil we know of. But why isn’t the planet’s John Wayne- the USA- attacking China to ‘liberate’ prisoners ? They’re passionate about freedom and human rights aren’t they ? Or is it oil, money, gold and opium…
I’d need to see more reliable reports than this one. I expect we will soon. As Trump, under orders from his handlers, continues to point the finger at China for as much as he can ( they made a virus..it was them..not us honest). He wants to sell China as a global bad guy. Like Russia or any Islamic one. In fact any country that isn’t part of the union.It’s called propaganda. Propaganda’s a powerful tool. It can make a whole planet wear a mask or hide behind the sofa.And that wasn’t China’s baby was it..
Yep, agree all the way
Fauci is as straight as a pig’s penis. He’s funded the Wuhan lab with taxpayers’ money ($3.2m) to continue coronavirus research after Obama banned it in the US in 2015 as ‘too risky’, his department has known off-patent HCQ is very effective as both prophylactic and cure for covid19 since his own researchers discovered that in 2005 (but he demonises it constantly now), he’s close to Gates and the WHO (of which Gates is the largest funder), and he has a strange interest in owning patents for potential, highly lucrative treatments of dangerous new respiratory diseases. He’s also written the most absurdly fawning e-mails to Hillary Clinton, used Neil Ferguson’s utterly discredited model to justify lockdown in the US, and contradicted his own advice on countless occasions. He’s been in high office since the 60s, and cannot be fired even by Trump himself. Dr Faust indeed.
Because you couldn’t find your own arse (or, in this case, its defecates) even using both hands?
Perhaps the word your ‘research’ has missed is “subclinical”?
Good God, a citation! Had you noted it on a bit of roll?Was it lurking down your toilet? Did you have to get your hands wet or was it sitting on top?
The Wellcome trust keeps popping up. The facade of their HQ in London is full of ancient Egyptian symbols… that’s not freemasonic at all, is it?
However. The statement about “funding bioweapons” is questionable, as is the existence of actually usable bioweapons in the sense of things that can cause mass casualties to enemies, without terribly backfiring.
Who do you Trust? – latest video from Polly
https://www.bitchute.com/video/avIpEV7p7oo/
Does Polly ever discuss Jewish power?
Polly as in “Polly want a cracker?”, Polly is the name of a parrot. Think about it.
Limited hangout. Controlled opposition. Parroting.
Anyone who doesn’t discuss Jewish power immediately triggers my suspicion of controlled opposition. If they are not, they are beneath my level of perception.
Either way, not worth my time.
Globalists don’t care about nationality or religious identity, only power, status and control over everyone else.
On the contrary, their identity is what makes it all possible.
she’s a ‘Q’ groupie..
Great article Kit and thanks for the links to data and sources.
Any chance you could do an article on what goes into influenza vaccines and the like and how effective they are. A history on influenza vaccines.
Bill Gates and Jeffrey Epstein video.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/lin-wood-posts-creepiest-video-yet-vaccinator-bill-gates/
This was the last UK NHS report on the subject (England only, from PHE Public Health England) which concluded the 2017/18 season flu vaccine was only 15% effective across the board.
Which doesn’t give me much confidence anything they do a total rush job on will be any higher than 15%, but is highly likely to have a lot more undesirable side effects.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/flu-vaccine-effectiveness-in-2017-to-2018-season
Paul, you’ve nailed it; stuck the argument “pinned and wriggling on the wall”. This search for a flu vaccine is like divorce: the triumph of hope over experience.
It seems to be a dodgy method used to determine the effectiveness called test-negative design.
They use a method where people who have flu like illness visit the doctor and then they determine if they have “the flu virus” or “other respiratory virus (ORV)” using a test. So 100% of the people in the VE study actually had flu like illness and it does not say anything about whether the ‘vaccine’ actually reduced flu like illness only test results. It could increase flu like illness overall whilst reducing only the prevelence of the specific test result for ‘flu virus’ presense during those flu like illnesses. Thats what I gathered from a quick look anyway.
” The study unexpectedly found that the proportion of vaccination was higher among ORV positive controls than pan-negative controls, resulting in higher VE using ORV positive controls.”
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X1730899X
So the vaccine increased other respiratory viruses. How terribly unsurprising.
They should simply test vaccinated against never vaccinated. That would be definitive.
You’ll never, ever see that study.
Vaccinations and the huge profits they will generate will be completely unnecessary were HCQ made routinely available to everyone, both as prophylactic and cure. Dr Fauci knows that HCQ applied correctly defeats the whole range of coronaviruses, from his own department’s research in 2005, but he has done his best to demonise it and get it banned, just like the WHO. Fauci is close to Gates and the WHO of which Gates is now the largest funder. Gates is also now spreading obvious dIsinformation about ‘risky’ HCQ. See his most recent interview in Bloomberg Businessweek Joining the dots gets easier with day that passes.
what ‘they’ really don’t want you to know is that HCQ has been shown to be effective at destroying cancer cells… oops…. no one is supposed to know that…
Yeah. The undesirable effects will be very permanent.
So the flu vaccine is as effective as a placebo.
WSWS finally openly admitted that they effectively supported suppression of protests worldwide by supporting lockdowns under guise of COVID hysteria.
SO NOW COVID no COVID, WSWS SUPPORTS SELECTED PROTESTS [ also BLM, ANTIFA] WHICH THEY CONDEMNED AS DANGEROUS TO HUMAN RACE JUST SIX MONTHS AGO, AMID STILL ALARMIST COVERAGE OF “SECOND WAVE”AND ONGOING WSWS CAMPAIGN FOR CONTINUING LOCKDOWNS SUPPOSEDLY BECAUSE OF DEADLY COVID THREAT.
Fear mongering, inconsistency, logical falsity, ad ignorantiam based arguments ( COVID IS DEADLY BECAUSE WE DO NOT KNOW IF IT IS, PEOPLE DIE OF COVID BECAUSE WE DON’T KNOW IF THEY DO”, political expediency, subjective reasoning, hasty generalizations, false, dichotomies [lockdown or death] , bandwagon fallacies [MOST “EXPERTS AGREE” is what one can find in WSWS publications IN LAST HALF A YEAR permeated by COVID mantra including utter failure of public health system but without covering even once critical issue regarding complete lack of scientific evidences of extraordinary lethality of SC2 and COVID, completely lack of efficacy and specificity of nuclei testing like PCR to determinate infection dynamic and individual infection status and extreme vague, near clinically useless definition of COVID disease phenology and hence application of frantic and blind to clinical evidences catastrophically harmful COVID protocols, priorities and rules that killed thousands sanctioned by WHO and CDC under blanket immunity from law.
DESPITE YEARS OF STRUGGLING TO BULTD CREDIBILITY AMONG WORKERS WSWS FAILED REAL COVID PLAGUE TEST OF HONESTY AND BECAME JUST ANOTHER FAKE NEWS FACTORY.
Your theory seems to ignore all those BLM and other woke Cultural Marxist riots in the Anglo Saxon world.
I was so appalled by the grotesque fear porn the WSWS was pumping out, I ditched them permanently back in early March I think it was.
And that they made no attempt to even question the Establishment and MSM mantra on Covd was inexplicable. Or else there was a more sinister reason.
They made their bed. Now they can lie in it. Your comment gets an upvote from me.
You are right about WSWS. We can already see that COVID-19(84) may turn out to be the vehicle for greatest attack against working people (those that traditionally the erstwhile “left” represent and support) in history. If nothing else it compresses the magnitude of the 40+ year class war of Neoliberalism into less than 1 year. So, the WSWS has been a significant cheerleader among “radical” socialists for this same Trojan horse of working class defeat. Back in early March I made a comment on their website asking if they had heard of Event 201. I was immediately attacked at a right-wing conspiracy nut by, not just another commenter, but one of their writers. As if the tin-hat nut-jobs created the event and its online documentation out of thin air. I now see WSWS as COINTELPRO operation or maybe it was created by the CIA (like the Congress of Cultural Freedom in the 1950’s and ’60’s). From the very beginning of the declared pandemic they never questioned any of the data coming in from corporate media (that they would have scoffed at only weeks before). They have abandoned any relationship to Historical Materialism (that old idea that it is empirical realty that should ground us in our analysis of the world). The WSWS in 2020 represents a massive betrayal of those whose interests they have always claimed to represent.
I quoted CDC and FDA that WSWS claims to worship and was first attacked and by mid March banned as more “descenders of official WSWS line on COVID expressed ,deep concerns about WSWS objectivity on Coronavirus.
Many posters on this mostly leftist site clearly despise and criticise ordinary working people for being passive, an ignorant herd, not joining their protests, wearing masks like sheep etc. These claims are deeply misguided, divisive, bigoted, elitist, and useless. But they are very, very useful for the global elites, who just love to see radical leftists like BLM and Antifa burning down cities, attacking dangerous statues, and attacking good working people in MAGA hats. This is why billionaire radicals like George Soros fund the radical left to prevent popular unity. Divide and rule is a famously effective way to protect elites. Leftist hate and war against normies, dumb plebs and racist gammons helps the elites, betrays leftist principles of tolerance and respect for others, and is a major reason why I left the left.
WSWS went full, Big-Pharma fascist in Dec 2019 with its support for forced vaccination in Samoa:
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/12/03/samo-d03.html
This is an alternative view: Michael Simms (Aussie activist) interviewd by Heather Simpson (Vaxxter Contributor) and published at Dr. Sherri Tenpenny’s site.
https://vaxxter.com/crisis-in-samoa-interview-with-an-aussie-activist/
WSWS are schizo – terrified of THE VIRUS but still wanting the Winter Palace to be stormed. All very sad.
From what I’ve read, the WSWS are jubilant about the virus and use the scaremongering as an indication that, apparently, the Winter Palace is about to be stormed. Well – with everyone stuck in their houses, perhaps they can use social media to effect a “virtual” revolution?
I reject storming palaces. The ballot box is the only peaceful way to remove failed or fraudulent leaders and their agendas.
No. There is no ballot box. They fix the numbers.
Controlled opposition. WSWS is a joke.
But this isn’t WSWS so why post this here?
“Final question – do you know how many people in the United Kingdom officially died with (not of) the coronavirus yesterday?
It’s 12.”
Actually, Kit, I think that is still with, and not necessarily of covid19.
That is what the sentence says – “Final question – do you know how many people in the United Kingdom officially died WITH (not OF) the coronavirus yesterday?”
What point are you making?
Detail on how they are brainwashing you and your friends and family. These policies are derived from the Soviet Union and are now policy in the UK. There are three images and I will link to Yuri Bezmenov, the source of this information
The blueprint for your existence is contained in these images and video. This is not what God wants for us. We must educate and inform, because our media is full of liars and criminals and is not fit for purpose. The scum at the BBC are lower than low. They are agents of the Devil.
‘Agents of the devil’ would have made me laugh once. Now I can’t be sure it’s untrue.
About BBC devils: “in order for men to do great evil, they must first believe they are doing good.”
Alexandr Solzhenitsyn, speaking about Soviet communists
Killer quote.
Not really.
Hell is paved with good intentions but also bad intentions and “if I didn’t do it someone else would”.
The plebs at the BBC know they aren’t doing good, they’re collecting the pay cheque and paying the mortgage and doing what they know is expected of them.
If there’s a God, then you may be absolutely certain what’s happening is precisely what this God wants for us – otherwise it wouldn’t be happening, would it? God could fart and make it all go away. But we all know that’s not how it works.
I’m sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, but God and the Devil are the same entity. God gives us the finger of the right hand; the Devil gives us the finger of the left hand. And somehow we mistake The Finger for a sign to “Carry on people! It’s all part of my Plan.”
From your omniscient attitude are we to conclude that you are God? If so,pardon my impertinence, next time you hand down a judgement, would you be kind enough to make it unambiguous so we can understand what you are saying.
I merely tabulate, neither more nor less. Living entities have ended up with the short end of the stick for as long as humanity has existed. Which has to mean one of two things: 1) there is no Big Daddy in the Clouds watching after the Earth; or 2) Big Daddy doesn’t have time for its “creations.” I know of no third alternative.
Precisely.
There are no alternatives but millions of different ways to experience creation and apprehend it without words
You don’t need to understand if you have faith. You can always turn the other cheek.
Unfortunately for all of us, your “God” and “Devil” are one and the same parasitic entity.
Very good video. I managed to be an officer in that army at that time and what he tells is in line what we suspected already then.
I visited East Germany in 1976 (schoolclass educational trip) and o’boy, was that educational! Utter poverty (in my eyes) , I was offered 500 east marks for the Levis I was wearing + a pair of east german jeans.
Standing at night at Check Point Charlie viewpoint and looking across East Berlin was just darkness, hardly a light shone.
I was in no doubt ever when I joined the Army.
Well things did change, to the better I presume, Germany reunified at enormous cost, living standards are even now not equal, hopefully it will come. Germans are not lazy.
The rest of Eastern Europe is a mixed bag, but so is the EU, there is a hell of a difference between Sweden (where I live) and Sicily or the Greek islands.
BTW I love the expression : Useful idiots…
This is great work, thanks
The current dystopia is being driven by a psychopathic capitalist ruling class in crisis. You cannot blame the long gone Soviet Union for what’s happening now.
It’s not about blaming the Soviet Union but rather seeing some of the same methods being copied.
No? The Soviet Union is gone. But the Communists are still with us. The Democrat party has gone full bore.
I agree the ruling class are psychopathic. But they are NOT capitalist. The only capitalism they practice is better called cronyism. There is not a single capitalist principal in it.
We would all be better off without any of the old religions.
Yeah, but this time it’s different. You see what we have now is a real case of bat flu. And that is scary. It will kill millions, because bats’ flu (just you wait until we get into covid20!), cannot be stopped unless you lock up an entire country (see North Korea’s success), or prevent women from getting infected as they do in Afghanistan, Iran and ISIS country (that evil Assad), and where women are forced to wear burka’s all the time (we are told). You see this bat flu can miraculously not pass pieces of cloth, while it is overabundantly present in the air, yet invisible. I know that sounds all kind of weird, but there are people who make the science, we call them experts, and they are always right. Now please shut up, wear your mouth mask, stop thinking and obey.
Which reminds me of this Groundhog Day scene where Bill Murray (Phil) ends up in a blizzard that should not have been there as he had not had predicted it.
Story line
Phil : I make the weather! All this moisture coming up out of the Gulf will push off to the east and hit Altoona. Groundhog Official : Pal, you got that moisture on your head. You can go back to Punxsutawney or you can freeze to death.
I wish we had more officials like that instead of the everlasting freak show from our Phils (aka experts who predict all sorts of natural catastrophies, but can’t see a catastrophy that they had not predicted, like killing off people by postponing elective surgery, even if they are standing in the middle of it).
Movie clip
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5jQUoc3Gyho
What is the fuss? Those who have had their eye on the ball can see Coronae – the new normal Sovereignty (for reasons of an emergent (virtual) bio-medical security) – as actually quite a minor event in the ineluctable march of knowledge and power toward absolutism and totality of Sovereignty. The majority of the UK (31mn of a 46mn electorate) voted for this current state of affairs in December. It is our own alienated Sovereign powers that our duly elected representative – President Cummings – is authorised to use against us by us ….for our own protection our own common good.
Which is a fact that seems to register only with a few of us. We enter into this as we do into a voluntary servitude – of a Master/Slave dialectic – for reasons that are never stated – only inculcated. By which we, the People, nonetheless, retain overall Sovereignty. Which we refuse to exercise. We are subject to our own rule – administered by others over us (for the People by the People!) – by our own auto-alienated constitutive creativity in docility. That is what it legally means to be free.
That the subject is both the subordinate and the Sovereign is a politico-juridical fact. One that can be checked by anyone in a legal dictionary. I just pulled this from Blacks online:
“The freedom of the nation has its correlate in the sovereignty of the nation. Political sovereignty is the assertion of the self-determinate will of the organic people, and in this there is the manifestation of its freedom. It is in and through the determination of its sovereignty that the order of the nation is constituted and maintained.”
https://thelawdictionary.org/sovereignty/
This has been a fucking political and legal non-sense ab initio ….right from the start. It might have looked good on a political philosophers page ….but it has never passaged from phantasy to social reality as anything other than biopolitics – the Sovereign right over life and death; over who gets to live or die – or in Freud’s vocabulary, a cathex of mordito ….the ultimate depth drive as a thanatopolitics of death.
So why do so many submit to the state by distorting their own psychology toward the creeping impingement on their own right to life? And why has death undone so many and the remaining few have yet to realise that we are the source of our own problems? The state only exists as a politico-juridical embodiment – the incorporated Sovereign will of the body politic – as a legitimation of our collective determinate freedom ….co-constituted by us, for us. Why do we give our Sovereignty away to a bio-political necropower?
Why is there no politico-juridical alternative to a Sovereign death? Could it yet be the negative theology I mentioned yesterday? Why do we assent to a political ‘good life’ (polis, bios, to eu zēn) of the state-determinate will (polis, potestas). For which the negative ground is our biological, felt, affective life itself (zoē, to zēn)? [Cf. Agamben’s Homo Sacer; Mbembe’s Necroplitics].
Could it be that the politico-legal definitions and jurisdictions (Lt – lit: “law-saying”) of life – subject and Sovereign of the politico-juridical discourse – is a subset of the act of language? Which shares the same negative theology of determinate naming and definition (apophatikos). Where apophatikos is the denial and negation of life itself (zoē, to zēn)?
How do you bait and switch a conversation from ‘death’ to ‘cases’ outside the taking place of language? And the enactment of its politico-juridical linguistic categories of the lex communis ….the consensual common categories of an agreed principle of social reality?
It appears we can only see the sēmantikos: but not the lexico-grammatical structural (categorial) logos of the enactment of language. The juridico-political figurative framework – dare I say ‘scaffold’ – of legalised “state of exception” that begins categorially with Aristotle ….2,400 years ago. The slip from ‘case’ back to ‘death’ will =>be<= a mere copula of a semantification of a canonical linguistic tradition of necropower.
No one voted for this tyranny. Why is the same style authoritarianism unfolding simultaneously in Melbourne and Manchester?
The paper trail leads back to the WEF, WHO, Pharma, Gates, World Bank, CIA, United Nations, the ruling class.. and god knows who else. This is World War 3.
Don’t exaggerate. When bombs are falling on your house (like in Aleppo, Mosul, Belgrade), you can talk about WWIII. What we have here is a swindle and a collective case of madness.
I’d go for collective madness, and am reminded of Stan Cohen’s ‘Folk Devils and Moral Panics ‘. Moral Panics often result in restrictive legislation to deal with non problems. Worth looking up.
I agree with you on the aspect of collective madness. That one is certain and it has many faces. The swindle (in the absence of evidence) is hypothetical although the correlation of a wrecked economy is visited by some alien flu to wreck the economy raises my suspicion that we are also looking at a swindle.
By the time the true financial costs of this madness are calculated, people will be outraged and that includes many oligarchs and other powerful people who, similar to other human beings, don’t like it to be the victim of a swindle.
There will be no financial cost in the sense you understand it. You really do not know what is going on.
If the warnings – ie, the long game of ‘New World Order’, the ‘Great Reset’, ‘Agenda 21′ etc come to fruition, then millions around the world will die from poverty, starvation and cancelled medical treatments.
If, in ten years’ time, those around the world who criticise the Gov are thrown into jail and the remaining citizens are tagged, traced, and monitored to the level of complaint serf, then the world will have turned into a giant concentration camp.
I disagree that this nightmare is not a war when people have been beaten to death in Brazil, and literally starved to death in India because of ‘lockdown’.
There are all kinds of wars. A death is a death.
“There are all kinds of wars.”
Correct. And this is the beginning of a war by the privileged few on the masses of the world. It’s a depopulation war to tie in with the end of the bankrupt modern economic system, to enable the privileged few to move their wealth and privilege into their depraved vision of a New World Order.
If that’s all that’s going on then we have nothing to worry about then don’t we?
Well not exactly. Many people died or were financially ruined because of swindles/collective cases of mania such as the south sea bubble, the tulip mania, or (more recently) subprime mortgages, etc.
But in case as if we live in exceptional times: we don’t
Wise up, get your act together and say that covid is a scam. We all know, yet some are afraid to say it because of these oligarchs, mad scientists and politicians who are coming to get you.
Was that similar to “Folk devils judiciously conjured up by manipulative psychopaths and the social chaos they cause, the results of which we constantly witness”?
All wars start with a swindle. The bombs will come.
Maybe. But not all swindles end in a war. Far from it.
Really? You think it’s a swindle when millions of people die from cancer, or other diseases that emanate from vaccines and other man made toxic chemicals in our environment, water, atmosphere and food chain?
It’s not a missile, but a slow, unnecessary and brutal death, designed to suck the money out of society into the hands of a few wealthy individuals, and the causes are all man made.
That is WWIII.
Just because you are oblivious to the methods used doesn’t mean it’s not occurring.
You can live in denial all you like, but anyone who’s looked into the science behind vaccines, radiation, petrochemicals and pollution knows what’s causing chronic inflammation and epigenetic gene mutation leading to all cancers, all neurodegenerative diseases, diabetes type II, heart disease, auto immune disorders, asthma and allergies.
You clearly don’t understand much do you? This is just the start. The end goal is transhumanism and things are accelerating rapidly. It’s a world war that is just as deadly as any war fought with weapons. The fate of humanity is at stake and at the moment humanity is losing badly.
That’s the thing. They did vote for it. They elected all these dodgy politicians, chose which media to buy, bought smart phones and beef burgers (despite all the warnings of the health effects), handed their children over to be educated and injected etc. etc. (despite all the warnings). You could practically count the people who give a fuck on one hand.
I agree with you. In some perverse way this budding totalitarianism is a democratic outcome as much as it is also an oligarchic one.
I agree, if you are ignorant enough to vote and don’t understand that you are consenting to the continuation of slavery, you certainly lose all right to complain.
I fully agree with you that the trail leads back to the World Economic Forum, WHO, Bilderberg Group, CIA, Big Pharma, the Rockefellers, Gates, Buffet, et al. For me, this is much more about instituting total control via a social credit system, health immunity passports, biometric id, global digital currency and a panopticonic surveillance rather than WW3.
It’s a war without bombs. If, over the next decade, the entire human race becomes humiliated and subjugated into serfdom, then the capitalist elite will have won.
For the elites who start wars, it’s always about profit and control. The working class who fight them always lose. So, I don’t think you are that far off.
it’s known as asymetrical warfare… where many people aren’t even aware they are in a war…. very effective… psyops like Covid 1984 hoax and George Floyd Race Riots Hoax are used and many people believe them…
31mn people voted for the state structure: not the exact policies of the state. The exact policies are therefore pre-legitimised by the People. Assent is tacitly given for our authority to be used over us, for us. That is politics 101. To rescind the right of authority to an illegitimate ruler is self-defeating and totalitarian in and of itself.
It couldn’t possibly be that the paper trail goes back through the WEF, etc. through our shared cultural heritage to deeper, more ancient roots? Or did we invent culture, history, thought, and language anew in February? Was everything peachy up until then, or had we had a few genocidal blips, fascist interludes, and episodes of slavery before then? Perhaps they were aberrations?
Perhaps human reality is perfect and undistorted: and only a few aberrant institutions and individuals are trying to corrupt our 20/20 knowing? Perhaps it really is a war of them versus us? If only they would leave us alone, things would be just so?
Did you not notice the the globalisation and homogenisation of culture over the last 40 years?
Did I mention Nature? No, no one else does either.
Man, at the level of the Species (the superfamily Hominoidea) has been destroying Nature – including other families of Man – long before Coronae. There is a bigger, transhistorical event taking place here. Which implicates our entire knowledge structure as corrupt. Which the collective innocence of the families – the individuals of the individual nation-states – has no explanatory power for. Other than the agreement of the clans: “It wasn’t me”.
The thing is: it was me. We do constitute this nation-state. We do hold politico-legal co-responsibility. And if ever there is enough maturity to accept this: we could do something about it. Other than continue to hand our constitutive power to ‘them’ ….exactly as ‘they’ want.
Eventually, Nature will restore balance. She always does.
So you can actually write in comprehensible language Big B! Please do it more often. I’m sure you have much that is worth hearing, but I struggle to understand a lot of it.
Do you mean “why do we put up with bullshit?” Part of the answer is that we are immersed in it, as your post so verbosely demonstrates.
Haha.
His post is nonsensical.
Blaming the victim for the psychopathic behavior of billionaire eugenicist monsters and their personal hit men, the politicians and crooked judges.
Total gaslighting.
To be sovereign you must have a standing army, so be careful making claims.
It is not a claim: but a political fact. Referenced in a legal dictionary. I could have referenced it in many more: and in the primary and secondary literature. The People are the Sovereign power of a constitutional democracy or nation-state.
Having a standing army in peace time is in breach of our (UK) constitution. But we do not have a constitution either.
You need to have a very cold and hard review of your posting style B.