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The Silent Solution: Orthodox Jewish Rabbinate Knuckles Under to Lockdowns

Michael Lesher

Israeli police officers seen in the ultra orthodox Jewish neighborhood of Meah Shearim as they close shops and disperse public gatherings. March 22, 2020. (Photo by Yonatan Sindel/Flash90)

The exchange of recriminations between ultra-Orthodox (or “haredi”) leadership and its critics over the former’s coronavirus policy has focused so obsessively on exceptions to the rule, Tweedledum/Tweedledee fashion, that the really astonishing fact about the rabbinate’s stance has gone virtually unnoticed.

That stance – never more glaringly evident than now, as New York-area Jews attend religious services muzzled, and the entire Jewish population of Israel prepares to observe the High Holidays under house arrest – is its unprecedented submissiveness to arbitrary state power.

True, you’d hardly know that from the arm-waving of the usual haredi-haters, like Naftuli Moster, who as early as April 7 was accusing “ultra-Orthodox leaders” of augmenting the spread of the virus. Nor would you guess the rabbinate’s true position from New York Assemblyman Simcha Eichenstein, an Orthodox Jew who out-Mostered Moster by calling such criticism a “blood libel.”

But what the verbal shadow-boxing obscures is the most important point of all: that the Orthodox rabbinate – in defiance of its own stated principles – is abandoning its congregants to an increasingly hysterical, anti-democratic campaign aimed at curbing the basic freedoms that we as Jews should be doing all we can to defend.

That is the rabbinate’s true failing in the current crisis; and ominously enough, few Orthodox Jews seem to have realized it.

Yes, among my coreligionists there have been “outliers,” as Rabbi Avi Shafran, Agudath Israel of America’s director of public affairs, contemptuously called them: a few stubborn haredim who still think the Bill of Rights applies in Brooklyn, or that a New Jersey rabbi should be able to hold a harmless religious celebration in his own back yard without being assaulted by police.

But as Rabbi Shafran correctly emphasized, the occasional act of recalcitrance has only thrown the leadership’s docility into sharper relief. The American Orthodox rabbinate uttered not a peep of protest when the governors of New York and New Jersey closed down every single Jewish school, study hall and synagogue for months at a time by executive diktat.

Even Israel’s notoriously unruly haredi leadership, after a few perfunctory grumbles, is now submitting to the prospect of spending an entire holiday season under guard.

To grasp how astonishing this is, you need only think back to 2012, when New York City’s Department of Health was considering very modest regulation of m’tzitzah b’peh [oral suction during circumcision]. The optional practice of using oral suction (as opposed to a sterile glass tube) on a circumcision wound can cause newborns to be infected with the herpes simplex virus, with results that have included brain damage and even death. But America’s Orthodox rabbis promptly declared “battle” against health authorities who dared to worry about the safety of Jewish infants. In August 2012, a single issue of the Orthodox-run Ami Magazine contained no fewer than three separate articles denouncing the “evil decrees” of New York City’s government.

Rabbis affiliated with Agudath Israel even scurried into federal court in an attempt to block any rules that might limit m’tzitzah b’peh, claiming that such regulations would violate their religious rights.

Yet now – in the face of a moderately serious flu virus – the rabbinate has turned its position upside down. Orthodox Jews who dared to arrange private prayer groups at their homes were “murderers,” screamed a mass email I received from a rabbi on March 27. Making it clear his position was shared by the most prominent US Orthodox authorities, the writer even praised a “holy person” who confessed that “I feel like going into one of the house minyanim [prayer groups] with a baseball bat.”

From “battle” in support of m’tzitzah b’peh to threatening violence against Jews for praying: can anyone believe the same rabbis who were ready to sacrifice babies in 2012 were sincerely moved by the “health risk” associated with COVID19?

Nor is the rabbinate’s invocation of the principle of dina d’malkhutha dina [the law of the secular government is the law] any more credible than its concern over communal health. Has anyone forgotten the hue and cry the rabbis raised over New York’s baby steps toward enforcing minimal educational standards at state-accredited yeshivoth?

That was only two years ago; and in case you thought the haredi rabbinate changed its mind about the value of secular education in the interim, the cover story of this year’s May 13 number of Ami Magazine quoted the “renowned mechanech [educator],” Rabbi Dovid Levy, to the effect that the notion that “people evolved from the same common denominator as monkeys” is a fantasy “of the non-Jewish world.”

So why did the same rabbis who rejected innocuous regulation of religious schools actually embrace executive fiats that closed those schools altogether?

It certainly wasn’t because the government had a strong legal case. Not one of the decrees closing American religious institutions was issued by a legislature or approved by a court order.

Like the mass house arrest of tens of millions of citizens, these edicts were unilateral executive orders issued by governors who had assumed quasi-dictatorial powers on the strength of each state’s version of the Emergency Health Powers Act (EHPA) – a controversial statute drafted at the end of 2001 to deal with the possibility of a massive bioterrorism attack that (it was feared at the time) might put tens or even hundreds of millions of American lives in immediate jeopardy.

COVID19 never posed anything like such a threat, but more than forty state governors seized the opportunity to bypass their state legislatures and to suspend the Fourteenth Amendment’s requirement of “due process of law” by declaring what was supposed to be a “temporary” state of emergency. (I challenged the constitutional basis of these actions, in print, months ago; on September 15, a federal judge concluded that Pennsylvania’s lockdown orders did indeed violate the Constitution.) Those quasi-dictatorial powers have not been relinquished to this day, though the governors’ excuses for maintaining them grow more absurd with every passing month.

Never in modern American history has so much personal liberty been so drastically compromised on such flimsy grounds.

Nor does COVID19 involve an unprecedented medical threat. Anyone still seeking proof of that need only look to Israel – whose government has just announced a drastic second “lockdown” to coincide with what is normally a holiday season.

Israeli officials attribute just over 1,100 deaths to COVID19 this year, nearly all of them among people of very advanced age and fragile health. To put that in some perspective, in 2016 – the latest year for which I could find comprehensive data on line – 28,780 total deaths were recorded for Israelis aged 75 or older. Even if we assume that no one whose death was attributed to COVID-19 would have died from some other cause during the relevant six months of 2020 – which is unlikely – that means that COVID19 accounted for barely a 7 percent increase, at most, in the death toll for the hardest-hit age bracket, while other groups were barely affected at all.

It’s hard to see to how the devastating effects of a nationwide lockdown can be justified when less invasive measures, aimed at protecting the most vulnerable demographic, could have tackled a medical problem of that relatively modest stature.

Why, then, has the Orthodox rabbinate acquiesced in sweeping attacks on its congregations’ religious freedom? Two possible reasons come to mind.

The first is that coronavirus hysteria has enhanced the rabbinate’s power. For six months, Orthodox rabbis have been micromanaging Jewish life like an old Soviet bureaucracy run amok: who may pray, when, where, for how long, with what sort of mask; how one may behave while shopping, how long one should “talk to a neighbor,” etc. Even as I write this, complicated penalties for attending weddings are being circulated among the faithful.

(A few samples from a source here in Passaic, New Jersey: you must quarantine yourself for 8 days if you dance; if you don’t dance, you’re exempt, but if someone else who attended the wedding gets a cough, your quarantine goes up to 10 days, or to 12 days if you “were in close proximity to that person.” And, of course, you must wear a mask while saying “mazel tov.”)

The obvious gusto with which the Orthodox rabbinate has adopted the role of commissar-cum-Mrs. Grundy speaks for itself.

The second possibility is that the rabbis, having concluded that lockdowns were inevitable, decided that they had less to gain from defending religious rights than from playing toady to the powers that be. In fact, it is hard to imagine another explanation for the way they’ve not only accepted the lockdown regime but have actually boasted of intensifying it.

On May 8, the “COVID-19 Task Force” of my own community issued a public statement insisting that the total closure of synagogues, religious schools and study halls would continue as long as the rabbis wanted it to, regardless of the position of the secular authorities.

Brushing aside the fact that serious cases of the virus were already in sharp decline, the local rabbis and lay associates denied that “the considerations and decisions of local, State, and Federal officials” would persuade them to allow people to pray in synagogues or to study in yeshivoth.

That position cannot be squared with past rabbinic resistance to state regulation. But it makes perfect sense on the assumption that the rabbis wanted to impress their new masters with a display of their power over a politically useful voting bloc.

All in all, though, I am less concerned with the reasons for the rabbis’ betrayal of their fellow Jews to Big Brother than with the fact of the betrayal itself. The rapid expansion of police-state tactics under the cover of “health regulation” represents a serious threat to freedom everywhere – and Jews, of all people, ought to know how easily the criminalization of dissent merges into the demonization of all differentness.

Naomi Wolf, who warned in her 2007 book The End of America that the United States was already veering dangerously towards fascism, has recently stressed that “coronavirus is the perfect, terrifying internal and external enemy for a power grab.”

A clergy that is complicit in such a process has lost all moral authority.

And what about Judaism itself? The Talmud states (Rosh ha-Shanah 11a) that the enslavement of the Children of Israel in Egypt ceased on Rosh ha-Shanah. If the Orthodox rabbinate understood the meaning of its religion’s teachings, it might well have chosen this season to fight for our rights – as Americans, as Jews, as human beings – instead of shrugging its collective shoulders while the Bill of Rights goes up in smoke.

But the Orthodox leadership has shown its true priorities – and now it’s our turn to act. The same rabbinate that for years has encouraged the crimes of Israel and coddled child abusers is now turning its back on an unprecedented assault on personal liberties, including the freedom to worship. It’s high time we reclaimed our religion from such “leadership.”

Michael Lesher is an author, poet and lawyer whose legal work is mostly dedicated to issues connected with domestic abuse and child sexual abuse. His previous nonfiction book was Sexual Abuse, Shonda and Concealment in Orthodox Jewish Communities (McFarland & Co., 2014); his first collection of poetry, Surfaces, was published by The High Window in 2019. A memoir of his discovery of Orthodox Judaism as an adult – Turning Back: The Personal Journey of a “Born-Again” Jew – has just been published by Lincoln Square Books.

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rechenmacher
rechenmacher
Sep 28, 2020 11:40 AM

I’m catholic. I felt sadness and disapointment when I realized that not even the Haredim would stand up against their freedom to honour their faith being taken away. At Easter I watched in disbelief when the Pope (the impostor that goes by the name of Franciscus) told us that Easter Mass was just too dangerous. People should stay away from churches and instead watch it on tv. The holy sacrament of communion, the holy sacrament of wedding, of baptism, of burial have become just lists of disallowed action points issued by state bureaucrats. And no word from the bishops and archbishops. Catholizism has been so utterly voided, even negated by its higest represenatives it is hardly recognizable any more.
Looking back one can see why the regime change operation in the Vatican was carried out.
And the rabbinic hierarchy apparently obeys the same masters and listens to the same orders.

John the First
John the First
Sep 29, 2020 4:59 AM
Reply to  rechenmacher

So the believers are quick to acknowledge science these days, but it is pseudo science, modern superstition which affords power, ain’t that predictable.

ame
ame
Sep 27, 2020 5:27 PM

Facebook Recruits an Israeli Censorship Expert

Facebook’s new global Oversight Board, tasked with ruling on content ethics, has the former director-general of Israel’s Justice Ministry as one of its 20 members. Emi Palmor had set up a cyber unit in charge of monitoring and censoring Palestinian social media posts, on the orders of the extreme right-wing minister Ayelet Shaked.

The Oversight Board is the kind of thing the digital giants adore as a way of getting people to talk about something other than their astronomical profits. Thus it was that Facebook announced on 6 May the establishment of a body which is supposed to root out “hateful, harmful and deceitful” content. The Board will have a mandate to take “final and binding decisions on whether specific content should be allowed or removed” from Facebook and also Instagram, which is owned by Zuckerberg’s group.
The Board is independent from Facebook but 100% financed by a trust fund set up by the multinational and endowed with $130m. It could rule on a demand by a user to see some content removed, or by another appealing against the removal of a post by the Facebook moderators. The body could also make “recommendations” on what type of publication should be taken down.
PRESTIGIOUS INTERNATIONAL CASTThe Board will eventually have 40 members, and already has 20 who “represent diverse professional, cultural, political, and religious backgrounds and viewpoints.” It is a prestigious line-up: Tawakkol Karman1
 from Yemen, who shared the Nobel peace prize in 2011 with the Liberians Ellen Johnson Sirleaf and Leymah Gbowee; a former Danish prime minister, Helle Thorning-Schmidt, on whom the character of Birgitte Nyborg in the TV series Borgen was famously based; Alan Rusbridger, former editor of The Guardian; an American human rights lawyer, a program manager for the Open Society initiative in West Africa, an Indonesian editor-in-chief, academics from around the world … and then an Israeli, Emi Palmor, described as “former Director-General of the Israeli Ministry of Justice” where, Facebook tells us, “she established the Anti-Racism Coordinating Government Unit, advanced access to justice via digital services and platforms, and promoted diversity in the public sector.”
So far so good —put like that, nothing unusual about this panoply of human rights and digital culture specialists. Emi Palmor, a 53-year-old lawyer, is currently a lecturer at the Interdisciplinary Centre in Herzliya, a bastion of the academic right in Israel. She directed the Justice Ministry from 2014 to 2019, where indeed she worked on a scheme involving free legal aid to enable access to justice for Israelis of Ethiopian origin, victims of multiple discriminations in a country riddled with racism. But this worthy achievement should not cover up another one, carried out by Emi Palmor in masterly fashion: the electronic surveillance and censorship of the Palestinians on social media, first Facebook, the most heavily used in Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories.

Her minister boss was Ayelet Shaked, a member of the extreme rightist Jewish Home party led by Naftali Bennett, who was himself minister of education in the same Netanyahu government. Justice Minister Shaked, the author of numerous diatribes against “the Arabs,” was permanently engaged in battling the Palestinian “enemy,” but also set her sights on human rights NGOs, considered dens of pro-Palestinian leftists. She was to have a law passed on their financing, in an attempt to stifle them.2
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“SEVERE RESTRICTIONS ON FREEDOM OF OPINION”Under the guidance of a minister described by a journalist in Tel Aviv as “the most extreme voice of an Israeli extreme right which has no shortage of others,” Emi Palmor thus set about tracking Palestinians on social media. This devout official of a government of war and occupation had created a “Cyber Unit” in 2016 “to suppress, limit or suspend access to certain content, pages or users.”
Adalah, the Palestinian human rights organisation based in Haifa, said that this cyber-patrol “deliberately targeted and suppressed tens of thousands of Palestinian posts, imposing severe restrictions on freedom of expression and opinion, especially when it concerns Palestine.” The Cyber Unit, set up by Emi Palmor and attached to the office of the prosecutor general Avichai Mandelbilt, has deployed numerous algorithms to detect content deemed “extremist,” and it requests their removal directly to social media networks without its interventions being made public. So the process is completely untransparent. A far cry from the “transparency” promised by Facebook’s new Oversight Board.
According to Adalah, in 2017, the second year of Emi Palmor’s Cyber Unit, the number of takedowns shot up by 500%. In 2018, 14,285 takedowns were registered.
A RACIST MESSAGE EVERY SINGLE MINUTEAt the same time, research on incitement to hatred against the Palestinians showed that in 2018 anti-Palestinian messages in Hebrew were being posted on average every 66 seconds – yes, one a minute, 24 hours a day! That did not bother the Cyber Unit, despite the openly racist tenor of many of those messages. Its job was to shut the Palestinians up and stifle any content criticising Israeli policy.
Several Palestinian groups have denounced Emi Palmor’s role in “muzzling freedom of expression and censoring human rights defenders, especially Palestinian, Arab and Muslim voices”. The Palestine Digital Rights Coalition, the Palestinian Human Rights Organisations Council and the Palestinian NGOs Network urged Facebook “to consider the grave consequences the choice of Emi Palmor could have, especially for Palestinian human rights defenders and for the freedom of expression online in defence of Palestinian rights”.
Adding some spice to the story, when Emi Palmor was fired in 2019 by Amir Ohana, a Likud Knesset member close to Netanyahu who succeeded Ayelet Shaked at the Justice Ministry, the prime minister’s son Yair shared—on Facebook—a post accusing Palmor of being “leftist.” A mortal insult in Israel, as everybody knows. A few years earlier, she had been an adviser to a Knesset member from Meretz, a small party of the Zionist “left,” before changing colours and working with a minister of the extreme right.
Facebook’s Oversight Board is going to have its work cut out to re-establish freedom of publication on the network in occupied Palestine and to push back against the anti-Palestinian hatred so widely propagated in Israel. But it’s not certain that Palmor the “expert” is best qualified to do it3
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JEAN STERN
Former member of Libération and La Tribune, Jean Stern is a contributor to La Chronique d’Amnesty… 

https://orientxxi.info/magazine/facebook-recruits-an-israeli-censorship-expert,3946

X X
X X
Sep 27, 2020 4:45 AM
Lutz Barz
Lutz Barz
Sep 30, 2020 11:44 AM
Reply to  X X

“…it’s….it’s….it’s…..monty python….aaaaarrrrggjhjjjj…

I_left_the _left
I_left_the _left
Sep 26, 2020 4:55 PM

I hope you condemn crimes against Israel as well as those by Israel, which you mention but don’t explain. That phenomena of Jewish people hating ‘Israel’ the nation as if it were something real and evil is sadly and frighteningly common.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 26, 2020 10:37 PM

Crimes by Israel “mentioned but not explained” are explained in the link given above. Here it is again:

https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/occupy-the-synagogue/

Rabbi Rachel Ain of the (Conservative) Sutton Place Synagogue in New York told the New York Jewish Week’s Steve Lipman that “the wider effects of the war” – “war” was her word for the virtually one-sided slaughter in which more than 2,100 Palestinians died (including over 500 children), six Gaza hospitals were attacked, over 150 mosques were leveled, and some 10,000 Palestinian homes destroyed – had prompted her congregation to “reaffirm its strong commitment to the people, state and land of Israel.”

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Sep 28, 2020 3:54 PM

Bwahahahaha, yoyoyo, you left the left and landed on the moon…

Seriously man, your style of trolling and shilling for a buck is so darned obvious to EVERYBODY here with a brainache, from disinfo. and strawman projection and transference agents, like yourself, i’m surprised you continue with this pseudonym. We are not all ‘lefties’ or ‘alt-righties’, you dipstick, that loves simple boxes and labels and your pseudonym alone is founded on utter and complete ignorance of which planet you inhabit…

Try reading ‘Men in Space’, seriously, what emerges is a vision of humanity adrift in an educational history of LIES, absent critical thought in a world in the State of DISINTEGRATION… The book was a bit late in coming, already, back in 2007. But, it should help you to get back to Planet Earth and become more grounded in your realisation that,
You are clueless as to your whereabouts today, right here, right now:
indeed, simply said
Get a LIFE! A real life,
that excludes whoring.

Ernest Judd
Ernest Judd
Sep 28, 2020 9:39 PM

What crimes against Israel??
Israel did not exist when the Holohoax was said to occur!
Munich Olympics attack?
Hezz sending the IDF dogs of war back to their kennels?

Ernest Judd
Ernest Judd
Sep 28, 2020 9:40 PM

I know who you are!
Commenter Fran Taubmann from the Unz Review.

Lutz Barz
Lutz Barz
Sep 30, 2020 11:45 AM
Reply to  Ernest Judd

Unz ist Unser.

ZenPriest
ZenPriest
Sep 26, 2020 10:29 AM

What subversion is this?!

X X
X X
Sep 28, 2020 1:00 PM
Reply to  ZenPriest

What fresh hell is this‽
-Dorothy Parker

comment image?w=646&h=455 Banksy

Lutz Barz
Lutz Barz
Sep 30, 2020 11:46 AM
Reply to  ZenPriest

if you ask then it is too late

Voxi Pop
Voxi Pop
Sep 26, 2020 9:05 AM

https://worldchangebrief.webnode.com Combat Big Tech Bookburning – Become An Archivist!

Bas
Bas
Sep 26, 2020 7:41 AM

Life on this planet. From the outside, watched, one specy, human, springs out as the odd and freaky one. For basically one reason. Having never enough of anything. Always focused on having more of whatever. This phenomenon did gives them power over all other life by means of thinking ahead. Resulting in untold wars again their own. This phase is today outdated by weaponry able to destroy unlimited. A way out of this trap is happening today as a trial for future planning to give the have it all, MORE space..

Kalen
Kalen
Sep 26, 2020 7:25 AM

If anyone had still a doubt of historic fusion between state and religious worldwide, the stand on COVID psyop by Jewish orthodox leadership as well as leadership of most world recognized by state organized religions including Catholic and Greek Orthodox, Anglican, Baptist as well as Islam leadership proves it unequivocally.

US Is one of most blatant examples of such fusion using evangelicals with state to further corporate interests domestically as well as foreign policy especially regarding Israel.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 26, 2020 3:49 AM

There is some evidence that Charlie Chaplin (covered extremely well by Paulo Nutini – Scottish Musician) was still making Babies, when he was considerably older than me. Mine still works. (I don’t do drugs( Check out Iron Sky.)).

Here is the original during WWII in anti Hitler Style (he was an English Comedian doing mainly silent films) Until this no one knew he could speak on camera too.

“Charlie Chaplin – Famous speech (Adolf Hitler’s style)”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_kNTOGHOF0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Chaplin

Tony

Antonym
Antonym
Sep 26, 2020 3:40 AM

Any one wants to wait for a 21st century Godot?

Wait here for an article on orthodox Muslims and Covid-19.

Antonym
Antonym
Sep 26, 2020 3:50 AM
Reply to  Antonym

Orthodox Jews have exempted themselves from draft in the Israeli army; too many orthodox Muslims are quite willing to take up modern arms against any one not orthodox Muslim.
A similarity: both want to get as many children as physically possible. That infra rational rat race to majority but over-population is also preached by orthodox Christian leaders.

ame
ame
Sep 26, 2020 10:31 AM
Reply to  Antonym

dont panic Bs 19 scared terrorists so much in 2020 they all self isolated

Margaret
Margaret
Sep 28, 2020 2:30 PM
Reply to  Antonym

Sorry Antonym but you are talking rubbish. ”Too many orthodox Muslims are quite willing to take up modern arms against anyone not orthodox Muslim”
Islam is a religion of PEACE with all religions.
Visit any Muslim country and experience their warmth, generosity and hospitality, regardless of how poor they are. Violence is Haram to them, except in self defence, or defence of their families.
ISIS and other CIA terrorist organisations are NOT Muslims.. they may be Arabic/Muslims but they are not followers of Islam.
Just as the Psychotic Mercenaries from the USA and UK are NOT Christians.

Margaret
Margaret
Sep 28, 2020 5:15 PM
Reply to  Margaret
ToyAussie
ToyAussie
Sep 26, 2020 3:20 AM

Metro Winnipeg and surrounding municipalities in Manitoba Canada moving to Orange level restrictions on Monday-for no god damn reason whatsoever.

Mandatory masks in all indoor public places.

No gathering of over 10 people allowed.

TOTAL “official” covid deaths in this province since the insanity began: 19
Total “official” covid deaths in ALL of Canada over the last 24 hours: ZERO
Deaths in Canada over the last month – average 2-10 per day.
Population of Canada: 37.7 million.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 26, 2020 3:07 AM

has it ever occurred to anyone, that these creatures may not be human. it is a big universe out there, and our planet is the prettiest.

Doctortrinate
Doctortrinate
Sep 26, 2020 3:30 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

I guess it is – especially if they see the same composite images as we humans.

🙂

Nick
Nick
Sep 26, 2020 10:49 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Often
Looking at pictures of these elites as they enter their later years,they appear almost reptilian. JD Rockefeller being the most pronounced. Certainly they act like they are a different species.

ZenPriest
ZenPriest
Sep 27, 2020 3:40 PM
Reply to  Nick

Could Gates and Bezos look any more lizard or bug like? I think Icke was onto something.

Anonymous
Anonymous
Sep 26, 2020 11:21 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Yes. I do believe that there is an even higher level to the NWO conspiracy which is intertwined with extraterrestrials and paranormal entities because of evidence and analysis. A good place to start if you want to find explanations and solid evidence is montalk.net which really helped me out.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 26, 2020 2:16 AM

What pisses me off, more than anything due to all this COVID Bollocks, is that My Wife and I should now be getting ready to fly out to Cyprus to meet people who love Rock Music. We don’t care where you come from. Some complete and utter Arseholes have stopped us from doing this again.

Why?

None of us meant any harm, and it was a great deal of fun. There was never any trouble whatsover.

https://www.cyprusrocks.co.uk/

Who are you?

Tony

Arby
Arby
Sep 26, 2020 1:26 AM

“Israeli officials attribute just over 1,100 deaths to COVID19 this year, nearly all of them among people of very advanced age and fragile health.” Thank goodness for old and dying people. Where would this hoax be without them? They’d have to murder (more than they are) all kinds of people in order to point at them as being victims of covid 19.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 26, 2020 1:48 AM
Reply to  Arby

Yes, the biggest risk factor is living to be above average age. If people would stop living longer than average, we could effectively defeat covid.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Sep 26, 2020 2:00 AM
Reply to  Arby

They could always crank up ventilator production. Most effective death machine since Dr. Guillotine’s.

Arby
Arby
Sep 26, 2020 1:14 AM

“Even Israel’s notoriously unruly haredi leadership, after a few perfunctory grumbles, is now submitting to the prospect of spending an entire holiday season under guard.”

I used to be a Jehovah’s Witness. That was long ago. I came to disagree with them on a number of small and large issues. Over the years, while I have not been close to that organization and couldn’t say what it’s up to, I have caught little signs here and there that that organization has lost Jehovah’s blessing. I was wondering whether the Watchtower Society had drank the covid Kool-Aid and, while finding info on their unfriendly website is not easy (and enjoyable; They talk to us like we are children), I finally happened on a page that said it all.

Really, Things are going to get worse before they get better, which they will (but not for all). The Christian Bible tells us that the UN will engage in some sort of anti-religion pogrom. Worldwide false religion will be attacked and destroyed by those secular elements that, until now, were having ‘relations’ with that collective harlot (global false religion, all denominations), who, in fact, has been faithless to her owner, God. I now think that that action will come in connection with the covid 19 pandemic hoax and a WHO directive to stomp out ‘dangerous’, from a biomedical standpoint (supposedly), organized religion. Some religionists (like the Watchtower Society) will avoid trouble and simply cave. Others (still fake) will stand their ground. But as we are told, Unless Jehovah guards the city, it is of no use if the guards have stayed awake’. Stick to your guns, by all means, but if they are not the right guns then it won’t matter.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 26, 2020 4:25 AM
Reply to  Arby

William James noted in The Varieties of Religious Experience that it’s the nature of organised religion to degrade into blind conformity. The book also discusses the religion of “healthy mindedness” and mentions Mrs Eddy who did very well denying the existence of physical illness.

A few years ago I used to look occasionally at the Christian Science Monitor (which was founded by Eddy). I’ve only just given it a quick look, but it seems to have bought into the covid hoax. Mrs Eddy would be turning in her grave; except that she didn’t believe in dying!

https://www.csmonitor.com/Business/2020/0925/Rising-from-pandemic-the-business-success-stories-of-tomorrow
Toward the end of the article it shows a picture of four muzzled, third graders – as though this is the “new normal”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Christian_Science_Monitor
The Christian Science Monitor (CSM), commonly known as The Monitor, is a nonprofit news organization that publishes daily articles in electronic format as well as a weekly print edition.[1][2] It was founded in 1908 as a daily newspaper by Mary Baker Eddy, the founder of the Church of Christ, Scientist.[3]

Arby
Arby
Sep 26, 2020 12:48 PM

I used to read the odd CM article, always when it was referred to by an author I was reading. But that was not an organization I had any use for. Thanks, though, for the comment. It was interesting. I haven’t thought about the Christian Science Monitor in years.

The Christian Bible says, about the destruction of false religion (all denominations), that it is completely burned with fire. I don’t think that maintaining your identity as a relgionist of this or that organization while completely going along with the pandemic hoax qualifies as completely burned with fire. At some point, for sure, ‘all’ of those who knowingly and willingly reject the Sovereign Jehovah will be destroyed. That’s my belief and it seems rational to me. It may be that a lot of those who don’t view themselves as worshippers of Jehovah are closer to being worshippers of Jehovah than they realize. We will all be corrected because we are all imperfect. I don’t know everything. I don’t know everything because I’m not that smart but also because we aren’t given every detail of every prophecy presented in the Christian Bible.

I don’t want to freak people out with my views. It’s just that I take my ministry – which everyone who is actually a Christian has – seriously. That means telling people about (and being a willing witness of) Jehovah’s Kingdom, when appropriate. I actually talk more politics and science than I do religion, but I don’t hesitate to say what I believe when the subject comes up for discussion. I have to please God rather than man, but I care deeply about those who I see care, whatever their (religious and other) beliefs. I am anxious about peeving people off with my views, but I’m more afraid of peeving off my God.

Margaret
Margaret
Sep 27, 2020 10:31 PM
Reply to  Arby

Can you answer me a couple of questions Arby,
Where was god during the Dinosaur era? Who did Cane marry, when Adam and Eve were the first man and woman?
I never thought I would thank the covid pantomime for anything, but it has been great not being plagued with JW’s and having to politely listen to their naïve drivel. I am a lapsed Catholic who briefly tallied with the 7 day Adventists. I have read the Bible from front to back, and can tell you now.. It is a collection of stories passed down verbally from generation to generation and embellished to make them more appealing. There is very little actual truth in there except to love one another and treat others as you wish to be treated. The commandments were filched from the 282 Babylonian Hammurabi codes which were used by the Egyptians.
Amenhotep IV, affectionately known at Aminadab, later changed his name to Akhenaten.
Joseph the Israeli (of the technicolour dreamcoat) went to Egypt not in the early 18th century BC but in the early 15 century BC. There he was appointed Chief Minister to Tuthmosis IV (ruled c. 1413-1405 BC) who called him Zaphnath-Paaneah.
To the Egyptians, however, Joseph the Vizier was known as Yuya who married Thuya/Asenath daughter of Priest Potiphera. and his story is particularly revealing not just in relation to the Biblical account of Joseph but also in respect of Moses
When Pharaoh Tuthmosis died, his son married his very young sibling sister Sitamen (as was the Pharaonic tradition) so that he could inherit the throne as Pharaoh Amenhotep III. Shortly afterwards he also married Tiye, daughter of the Chief Minister (Joseph/Yuya). It was decreed, however, that no son born to Tiye could inherit the throne. Because of the overall length of her father Joseph’s governorship – there was a general fear that the Israelites were gaining too much power in Egypt. So when Tiye became pregnant, the edict was given that her child should be killed at birth if a son. Tiye’s Jewish relatives lived at Goshen, and she herself owned a summer palace a little upstream at Zarw, where she went to have her baby. She did indeed bear a son – but royal midwives conspired with Tiye to float the child downstream in a reed basket to the house of her father’s half-brother Levi. The boy, Aminadab, was duly educated in the eastern delta country by the Egyptian priests of Ra. In teenage years he went to live at Thebes. By that time, his mother had acquired more influence than the senior queen, Sitamun, who had never borne a son and heir to the Pharaoh, only a daughter who was called Nefertiti.
Akhenaten and Nefertiti had six daughters and a son, Tutankhaten.
Pharaoh Akhenaten closed all the temples of the Egyptian gods and built new temples to Aten. He also ran a household that was distinctly domestic — quite different from the kingly norm in ancient Egypt. On many fronts he became unpop­ular — particularly with the priests of the former national deity Amun (or Amen) and of the sun-god Ra (or Re). Plots against his life proliferated. Loud were the threats of armed insurrection if he did not allow the traditional gods to be worshipped alongside the faceless Aten. But Akhenaten refused, and was eventually forced to abdicate, and was banished from Egypt, fled with some retainers to the remote safety of Sinai, taking with him his royal sceptre topped with a brass serpent. 
To his supporters he remained very much the rightful monarch, the heir to the throne from which he had been ousted, and he was still regarded by them as the Mose, Meses or Mosis (heir/born of/ son of) — as in Tuthmosis (born of Tuth) and Rameses (born of Ra)...
https://amunaor.com/tuthmosis-iii/akhenaten/

Arby
Arby
Sep 28, 2020 1:15 AM
Reply to  Margaret

OG crowd: Sorry I triggered this. It comes with the territory I traverse.

Margaret
Margaret
Sep 28, 2020 2:04 AM
Reply to  Arby

It isn’t a problem to the ‘OG crowd’ we are used to wandering off track..
I was just attempting to show how pointless ”religion” is except as a comfort blanket to the individual who needs it. And to show that the people who transcribed the ‘bible’ had ulterior motives, and they were not to inform us, but to control us. I won’t get started on the truth about Jesus.. It’s too late now, and way past my bedtime.
What I posted for YOU is the historical verifiable truth, and not fiction.
By the way, You are welcome.

X X
X X
Sep 28, 2020 6:39 AM
Reply to  Margaret

…the people who transcribed the ‘bible’ had ulterior motives

To wit:

https://michael-hudson.com/2018/08/and-forgive-them-their-debts/

https://www.rt.com/shows/renegade-inc/458466-writing-off-debt-economy-hudson/

Note to Arby:

You said: “That means telling people about (and being a willing witness of) Jehovah’s Kingdom, when appropriate.”

It seems to me it would only be “appropriate” at your place of worship, amongst one another, or if/when someone comes to you and asks; otherwise, it seems like it’s just soliciting for members/followers (which seems inappropriate always).

Margaret
Margaret
Sep 28, 2020 1:06 PM
Reply to  X X

Brilliant links XX. The book is a bit out of my pocket but I really enjoyed the Michael Hudson interview, Such sense and so obvious.
I’m sending this one to my MP who I believe is a christian – cough!.
I liked your comment to Arby about soliciting.. Which is totally opposite to what Jesus said ”SEEK and you will find”
What do you know about Nesara Gesara?

X X
X X
Sep 29, 2020 5:36 AM
Reply to  Margaret

Thank you Margaret.
I don’t know about Nesara Gesara but upon a cursory look I guess you might like to know/read Ellen Brown on MMT & Public Banking:

https://ellenbrown.com/tag/public-banking-2/

falcemartello
falcemartello
Sep 26, 2020 12:38 AM

AMEN
Pace e Bene

Igor
Igor
Sep 26, 2020 12:25 AM

Id like to copy the info and post at a forum where some True Corona Believers hang out, but they’d just say they don’t trust Israeli government sources. Adding that elderly people should not be discounted, their lives mattered.

A post about the revised death figures from the CDC was met with “I only trust front line healthcare workers.”

Comorbidity flipped them out. Leading to posting a meme about on 9/11 3,000+ people died, but because 2,800 had pre existing conditions, only 200 people died due to the plane crashes. That meme alone says a lot about useless it is to talk to them.

Useless to try and help them to start living without panic and fear. They have wrapped the panic like a security blanket around their egos.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 26, 2020 1:25 AM
Reply to  Igor

Probably the best source is Swiss Policy Research
https://swprs.org/facts-about-covid-19/

There is also the open letter from the Belgium healthcare professionals:
https://docs4opendebate.be/en/open-letter/

From my experience of that type of forum, I wouldn’t bother posting large blocks of text or links since nobody will read them. Instead, drop distinct facts into the conversation and try to get a discussion going.

Daniel
Daniel
Sep 26, 2020 4:53 PM

Global capitalism made sure to quickly trash ‘swiss policy research’ in their wikipedia operation, calling them (you guessed it) conspiracy theorists.
I already saw a few people gullibly quoting this wikipedia smear campaign as “proof” that swiss policy research shouldn’t be listened to..

Our corporate overlords (and their minions in the intelligence agencies, silicon valley and the media) covering every possible angle and “eliminating” any voice dissenting from the official narrative.
The few dissenting voices who manage to get through the cracks of the algorithm shield are quickly attacked and labelled as crazy conspiracy theorists by their narrative management operations (such as wikipedia, google, facebook, twitter and the rest of the rest of the media held by the global capitalist billionaire class)

JoeC
JoeC
Sep 26, 2020 12:23 AM

Sorry this may be off topic but I wish to share it. This is a message I was emailed by the Australian government regarding advice and regulations about how many people can gather:

“Having a gathering at your place? Every guest is responsibleYou may feel safe among family and friends, but COVID-19 has spread easily at social gatherings.

The rule is that you can invite up to 20 guests over, but we’re recommending you keep it to 10 people.

If you break the rules and have more than 20 people at your place, every visitor may be held responsible and given a $1,000 on-the-spot fine, not just the host.

Remember to stay 1.5m apart, say “no” to hugs, and wash your hands often.”

The intrusion to personal beliefs and freedoms is unprecedented. Say “no” to hugs? Human contact is on it’s way to bring outlawed. Let’s all think about that.

Fact Checker
Fact Checker
Sep 26, 2020 5:33 PM
Reply to  JoeC

The Machine knows that humans are necessarily social animals, and that without emotional and physical contact they will wither away to an early grave.

The Machine also knows that human are necessarily fearful creatures, and that they can be tricked into forgoing human intimacy out of fear of onerous-enough penalties. (Notice I say fear of penalties, not fear of “virus,” because the fear of penalties is what is driving the Herd, even if the Fear is deliberately displaced onto an imaginary “virus.”)

Fear trumps love, unfortunately. That is Humanity’s fatal flaw.

X X
X X
Oct 1, 2020 6:09 AM
Reply to  Fact Checker

Fear trumps love, unfortunately. That is Humanity’s fatal flaw.

Ignorance (and faith, i.e., willful ignorance) fosters Fear; Fear cultivates Hate.

Knowledge & Understanding (Earth Sciences, Economics, World History, Arts, Literature, ReligionS, Philosophy) extinguishes Ignorance, Sheds fear and Trumps Hate; alas, Humanity’s fatal flaw is Ignorance (fear & hate are symptoms).

Cooperation is Human Nature and leads to empathy which leads to Love.
Rulers Divide (eliminate cooperation) to Conquer; thus, they kill Love …then Hate arises, Fear flourishes and Ignorance abounds.

Margaret
Margaret
Sep 27, 2020 10:36 PM
Reply to  JoeC

Brave New World is coming then. Only the perfect and compliant will be able to receive a sperm donation and reproduce…

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Sep 25, 2020 11:52 PM

“The RT-PCR Test is Totally Unreliable, It Does not Detect the Virus.”

If you feel sick and get a PCR test any random virus DNA might be identified even if they aren’t at all involved in your sickness which leads to false diagnosis.

And coronavirus are incredibly common. A large percentage of the world human population will have covi DNA in them in small quantities even if they are perfectly well or sick with some other pathogen.

If you want to create a totally false panic about a totally false pandemic – pick a coronavirus.”

https://www.globalresearch.ca/an-anonymous-nurse-speaks-out-the-rt-pcr-test-is-totally-unreliable-it-does-not-detect-the-virus/5724829

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Sep 26, 2020 2:15 AM

If you feel sick and get a PCR test any random virus DNA might be identified …

It’s even worse than that. Most people are under the illusion that viruses are made of RNA and humans of DNA. The reality is that in any human cell there is an order of magnitude greater RNA than DNA. The cytoplasm of a human cell is full RNA commuting from the nucleus to the ribosomes and cruising for amino acids to build proteins. Also the rt-PCR test doesn’t test directly for RNA. It uses an enzyme to convert the RNA first to its DNA analog, and then amplifies and tests for that. It now appears that the 18 base DNA sequence that triggers positive for most of these test is a sequence found on chromosome 8 of all humans. Little wonder that so few politicians and bankers test positive.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Sep 26, 2020 11:04 AM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

That’s funny they never test positive for COVID and they can’t see their reflection in a mirror.

Here’s how COVID-19 affects small businesses in NYC:
https://youtu.be/UONuahZu_w0

Margaret
Margaret
Sep 27, 2020 10:38 PM
Reply to  Charlotte Ruse

But Bojo the Clown and Big Ears had it????

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Sep 28, 2020 11:04 AM
Reply to  Margaret

It must’ve been the flu.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 25, 2020 11:23 PM

Regarding the religious mutilation of children

See:
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolescent.html
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/autism-the-most-glaring-aspect-of-the-deterioration-of-health-among-our-kids/

G.K. Chesterton – Eugenics and Other Evils (1922):

The thing that really is trying to tyrannise through government is Science. The thing that really does use the secular arm is Science. And the creed that really is levying tithes and capturing schools, the creed that really is enforced by fine and imprisonment, the creed that really is proclaimed not in sermons but in statutes, and spread not by pilgrims but by policemen – that creed is the great but disputed system of thought which began with Evolution and has ended in Eugenics. Materialism is really our established Church; for the Government will really help it to persecute its heretics. Vaccination, in its hundred years of experiment, has been disputed almost as much as baptism in its approximate two thousand. But it seems quite natural to our politicians to enforce vaccination; and it would seem to them madness to enforce baptism.

https://off-guardian.org/2020/08/01/how-to-take-back-control-of-your-mind/#comment-214373

Researcher
Researcher
Sep 26, 2020 3:05 AM

Apparently, Rockefeller’s poison concoctions are sacrosanct.

If only more people knew about what goes on at the sacrificial altars of the cryptocracy, we wouldn’t be mired in this bullsh!t.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 26, 2020 9:33 AM

The emphasis on “Science” is a recent variation of an old manoeuvre: to conquer the masses, you have to use the currently fashionable “authoritative” lingo. At one time it would have been “God”, “the Church”, “The Devil” etc. Now it’s “Logic”, “Rationality” and of course that mysterious entity “Science”. And it is always amusing to hear those who sneer – with the requisite impressive vocabulary – at the gullibility of those who fall for old superstitions, only to then prove their own gullibility in falling for new ones.

I_left_the _left
I_left_the _left
Sep 26, 2020 5:08 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Follow the science! But scientists disagree, which is what makes truth progress…

X X
X X
Sep 27, 2020 2:17 AM

It would be madness for the State to legislate or enforce any religion’s (i.e., private, membership organization’s) rites or practices, especially if physical harm (e.g., genital mutilation — wtf — how is that not illegal‽), or other unlawful behavior is involved.

Let’s not conflate/compare the madness of Technocrats against Humanity for control & profit with the beliefs (madness) of Religions …against each other (humanity) for control and profit (“souls”).

Then again, is all the same isn’t it: Esoteric knowledge (legit or not) of threats used by small groups to promote fear among masses — for control — and offer “solutions” — for profit.
Both the threat (e.g., virus or hell) and the solution (e.g., health or heaven) are known to (or concocted by) the small group, and the truth (i.e., facts, knowledge) of the “solution” is hidden from the masses; thus, the masses are ignorant, fearful and willing to comply with the (usually oppressive, exploitive, harmful) solution to, or protection from the (usually fake, false, fraudulent) threat.

It’s as old as the hills.

However, many hills are on fire right now; maybe, when they’re out, we can start over without Tech or Religion running the world (into the ground).

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 27, 2020 6:49 AM
Reply to  X X

Re: Let’s not conflate/compare the madness of Technocrats against Humanity for control & profit with the beliefs (madness) of Religions …against each other (humanity) for control and profit (“souls”).

I could give a number of arguments as to why state-driven vaccination is a religious policy. The actual religion maybe known as Satanism, Luciferianism, Neo-Platonism, Scientism, Rationalism, Transhumanism. Have you seen the deposition videos of Stanley Plotkin? Or the Dec 2019, WHO summit in which they effectively admit that one of the objectives of vaccination is to destroy natural immunity? I’ve linked to them previously, but they’ve since been taken down by youtube. Maybe I’ll find them again. But just to take one element, the “madness of Technocrats” is often the defining characteristic of organised religion.

X X
X X
Sep 27, 2020 8:29 AM

Then again, is all the same isn’t it…

Re: Vaccines, I believe Judy:

Mikovitz Interview►
in response to Science Magazine’s Criticism of
“Plandemic I”►

So we’re ‘on the same page’:

re•li•gion (n.)
– The belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers, regarded as creating and governing the universe.
-A particular variety of such belief, especially when organized into a system of doctrine and practice.

re•li•gious (adj.)
– Having or showing belief in and reverence for God or a deity.
– Of, concerned with, or teaching religion.
– Extremely scrupulous or conscientious.

tech•noc•ra•cy (n.)
– A government or social system controlled by technicians, especially scientists and technical experts.
– Government by technical specialists.
– A system of governance where people who are skilled or proficient govern in their respective areas of expertise. A type of meritocracy based on people’s ability and knowledge in a given area.

tech•no•crat (n.)
– An adherent or a proponent of technocracy.
– A technical expert, especially one in a managerial or administrative position.
– A technical specialist exercising governmental or managerial authority.

Home Camera Drone
Home Camera Drone
Sep 25, 2020 11:18 PM

Breaking!

Ex-MI5 Agent warns of new lockdown and self-isolation monitoring technology to be sold via Amazon in the form of a ‘Home Security Camera Drone’.

He states that this is the next stage of enforcement of house arrest / lockdown / self-isolation to come late 2021.

Apparently hundreds of people can be monitored in real time by just one operator with this technology and the smart meter electric system (which can detect when a fridge door is opened, a light switched on) and the metered water supply (which can detect when a tap is used or toilet flushed).

Check out the flying wi-fi live view home camera drone:
https://twitter.com/ring/status/1309204817290563584

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Sep 26, 2020 2:20 AM

Poor Winston Smith can no longer hide in a cranny of his room, out of sight of his telescreen camera, to write his diary. We will all be chanting 2+2=5 before our Overlords are done with us (unless enough of his push back hard.).

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 25, 2020 10:39 PM

I was trying to track down a David Icke video which I thought gave the best summation of the development of the coronavirus narrative. Instead I stumbled on this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APk9i1_jBgM

Here is one Todd Grande, an ever so rational and authentic doctor doing a hatchet job on Icke. At the beginning he says that an Icke interview made no mention of alien humanoid lizards and Grande was “extremely disappointed” about this. Well naturally – that would have made it so much easier to dismiss. But don’t worry – our doctor is going to mention them anyway.

Grande then says of Icke, “He knows the outcome. He knows what’s going on.” – as if these two are the same. They are not.

Grande says that Icke apparently thinks the virus was created to specifically kill off the old. I didn’t have access to the interview but Icke has said elsewhere, and with considerable good sense, that a real artificially created virus would have disastrously unpredictable results and is, in any case, unnecessary.

I didn’t have the patience to suffer more of this – but this link tells us more about our brave doctor:

https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=78523.0

Note this bit (typos included):

“Today’s video is a video focused awn the conspiracy theoretician David Icke. Now, unfortunately, David Icke is a real person despite what I previously said, so I am naht diagnosing him, only speculating awn his cluster D anti-social paranoia that’s co-morbid with immaturity factor 12 disorder.”

I wonder where Dr Grande puts himself on the “cluster”/ “immaturity factor” scale. Or is there a “maturity factor” scale?

The Icke video I wanted was this one:

https://davidicke.com/2020/09/19/how-they-pulled-off-the-pandemic-an-animated-film-explanation-by-david-icke/

The bit that interests me is the way the COVID story was introduced to the West and in particular of how Italy was the springboard. This part starts from around the 10-minute mark.

Researcher
Researcher
Sep 26, 2020 3:41 AM
Reply to  George Mc

That’s a good video. It’s a simplification, but it’s very well put together.

I was impressed with Icke at the London protest. He was quite brilliant at ridiculing the virus memes.

Italy is interesting. They has a loop they kept showing on every network with only two clips. I noticed that at the time and thought it was suspicious.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 26, 2020 9:26 AM
Reply to  Researcher

It’s certainly a strange world where a guy who’s famed for talking about extra-terrestrial lizards makes more sense than the condescendingly blatant bullshit blasting from the mainstream – not to mention those infinitely nuanced Marxist analyses that blather on forever without going anywhere. (And I speak as someone sympathetic to Marx himself.)

I don’t agree with Icke’s big interconnected conspiracy idea. (If they were like that, they’d hardly need to conquer anywhere. They would already have total control.) But his general outlook seems to me to be far more perceptive than most. He also has a gift for presentation and even eloquence.

Yes, it was the “Italy as stepping stone” bit that really impressed me. It is a bit like the logic behind 9/11 i.e. Westerners will not “get with the programme” unless they are given a demonstration that YES! They too are under threat!

Researcher
Researcher
Sep 26, 2020 1:23 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Icke went down the rabbit hole too far and found the lizard disinfo. Unfortunately, he may have believed it. Lizards and aliens. Disinformation.

He is however, correct about how the structure functions.

They do have total and absolute control because it’s a top down structure that silos information.

How can you explain all the NGOs in the world that exist and that are funding and pushing this agenda all have the same group of people connected at the helm?

Type Illuminati backwards into your browser URL, hit return and see where it takes you.

What they are afraid of is people figuring out the banks and the monetary system is the top of the pyramid in terms of structure. If you want to disable any organization, you have to seize control at the upper management level. In other words, cut off the head of the snake. It’s the same with this structure.

Several thousand billionaires and trillionaires control the entire world through the banking system, and then through all the NGOs they created and fund, including, but limited to, the WHO, WEF, World Bank, UN who are driving this agenda through Agenda 21, Agenda 30.

Take down the central banks by nationalizing them, then eliminate interest and you take down the entire structure.

The system can’t function without debt slavery.

SEF
SEF
Sep 26, 2020 2:18 PM
Reply to  Researcher

Don’t forget all the “philanthropic” foundations that pour billions into all of the projects pushed by the groups you mention.

Researcher
Researcher
Sep 27, 2020 3:13 AM
Reply to  SEF

Yes. They’re the web of NGOs that ally with the corporations and trans nationals, creating the public private partnerships. There’s so many, due to unlimited funds. Attack the monetary system first, then address the infiltration of local councils and cities with the NGOs like ICLEI, GRCN, Strong Cities etc.

The people can’t fight the police and they can’t fight the military. But they could nationalize the banks and deal with their local council and city “management”.

SEF
SEF
Sep 27, 2020 12:51 PM
Reply to  Researcher

Yes, exactly. Control of the banking system is how they derive power, without that they are nothing.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 26, 2020 5:25 PM
Reply to  Researcher

Illuminati backwards – and you are led to the National Security Agency. Well you learn something new every day!

Brianbotou
Brianbotou
Sep 26, 2020 11:20 PM
Reply to  Researcher

Exactly!!!!

Arby
Arby
Sep 28, 2020 1:34 AM
Reply to  Researcher

Never underestimate elites’ antipathy to thinkers, who set a ‘bad’ example. (I suspect – that’s suspect only – that they can target someone high profile and intelligent – John Perkins, Noam Chomsky, Paul Hellyer, David Icke – and go to work on him or her in a myriad of ways until they’ve infected them with some sort of wacky New Age thinking [Perkins], or even that which the target opposes [Chomsky, the one-time anti-imperialist], or aliens [Paul Hellyer], so as to destroy their credibility, good work and main anti-establishment narratives.) The ongoing war against mankind by the powers that shouldn’t be benefits mightily from technocracy (the specializing of people into stupidity). That ongoing war, called counterrevolution (counterinsurgency when it’s hotter, which is to say when people push back), is intended to maintain stability, not democracy and not, quite, social order. (Weapons makers always want a certain degree of hot war.) Political innovators are the main targets. You can make a new product, especially one that has application for the military, but you can’t come up with ideas about how society might run. You can’t be a true, decent political innovator. The danger is that you may have ideas that don’t include systems that benefit the current crop of predators. Not only that. But that crowd of predators, criminal to the hilt, never wants to come into a situation where it has to answer for its crimes. The answer: Counterrevolution (which doesn’t require anyone to actually be in revolt any more than being a threat to national security, via contagion, requires you to be genuinely infected with a killer ‘virus’).

Researcher
Researcher
Sep 28, 2020 4:39 PM
Reply to  Arby

No doubt. Ultimately, we can’t know people’s motivations or beliefs, we can only assess the value of their information.

Chomsky was tenured at MIT. And MIT has been assisting DARPA in much of the medical, military and industrial asymmetrical warfare tech we will be subjected to if we manage to stay alive over the next decade.

The hot wars of the last 70 years had dual use; distracting us from the plans of the technocracy, placing blame on empire or individual administrations, nation states or political constructs and preventing us from seeing the real puppet masters, behind the curtain.

The Lockdown is the counterrevolution, so too the Astro turf movements like BLM and Antifa, both of which are founded, funded and entirely controlled by the cabal.

Arby
Arby
Sep 28, 2020 5:48 PM
Reply to  Researcher

Acknowledged.

Fact Checker
Fact Checker
Sep 26, 2020 5:20 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I don’t agree with Icke’s big interconnected conspiracy idea. (If they were like that, they’d hardly need to conquer anywhere. They would already have total control.) “

Well, I think it’s pretty obvious they do. And have for quite some time.

The “conquest” part was completed in 1913, quietly, with the Federal Reserve Act. With that, control was complete. Everything since: the World Wars, globalization, 9/11…have been part of the management phase.

Now, they are in a liquidation and consolidation phase.

John the First
John the First
Sep 29, 2020 5:22 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Aside of biological pseudo science, we are to await modern psychology, the DSM bible to be extended, and be used to diagnose ‘heretics’. It already happens, multitudes of peoples are in the grip of its labeling, I expect that it becomes a greater tool of oppression soon.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 25, 2020 10:39 PM

This is The Weather Forecast tomorrow for Central London is Great

https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2643743

It will be 26th September 2020 in Trafalgar Square

I have massive respect for the Police, and I have read the news,and I have the greatest sympathy for the Policeman who lost his life earlier today in a Police Station in Croydon…but how did it happen? Shot dead in a Police Station, and I do believe it (call me naive if you like) The only thing I can think of, is that the copper stopped and searched this guy, and bravely took his gun off him in the street, and took him to the police station, but did not follow proper procedure to secure the gun, which may have actually have been in his pocket – and the guy he arreseted, saw it grabbed it and shot him, and them shot himself. I can’t think of any other explanation that makes sense..

So please do not beat me up,nor John Goss, nor Piers Corbyn.

We are old men.

This is a Peaceful Demonstration, against The COVID Lunacy that is going on.

I probably won’t be there, cos I haven’t got anyone young and fit to come with me, and I can’t run that fast, even with my walking stick.

I do not like being charged and hit. I made it in 2003 before The Iraq war started and it was wonderful. I am getting a bit old for peaceful demos now.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/el7XWHGn4jwf/

Tony

RobG
RobG
Sep 25, 2020 11:14 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

The arrested person who carried out the Croydon shooting apparently had both hands hand cuffed behind his back, according to latest reports, which might have made it a bit difficult to pull out a hand gun, shoot dead a police officer and then for the suspect to blow out his own brains; but who knows?

It’s very difficult to believe anything they tell you at the moment.

This one’s been doing the rounds on Twitter today…

https://twitter.com/rob_miller12345/status/1308816353533538305

I think Chris Whitty had a major part in the ET movie.

I believe the next week or so is going to be a seminal moment in British history.

There’s the demonstration in Trafalgar Square tomorrow, Saturday 26th (Piers Corbyn is once again one of the organisers). How many people will show up at this demonstration? after Bojo banged his little fist on the table and actually threatened the UK public (with amongst other things, bringing the army in). Bojo is ruling by decree, and he’s able to do this because of the Coronavirus Act. The demo on Saturday is ahead of MPs voting next Tuesday whether to extend the Coronavirus Act by as much as two years.

We certainly live in interesting times.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 26, 2020 1:02 AM
Reply to  RobG

Yeh, well maybe. not heard the inside goss yet. we do have a lot of policemen, and ex journalists and firemen who live in our road. My wife used to look after their kids, and some of them still live here.

The riots in 2010 were very real indeed. A girl we know lived in the same road as the incident earlier today. She nearly had her house burnt down.

The reality is that England is not like The USA.

Very few coppers carry guns. They collect lots of knives, but very few guns.

The death rate from all violent crime is exceedingly low.

Both my wife and I walk the streets of London, sometimes alone, without Fear of Violent Crime.

We are both far more likely to get run over by a car, which did happen to my wife a few years ago on the way to her dance class. She survived and is fine, and is hoping to go back to both her Yoga Class on Friday Mornings and her Rockfit Chick Dance Class on Thursday evenings – and Her Swimming on Monday and Thursday Afternoons..

Otherwise, we are likely to get Extremely Annoyed.

Tony

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 26, 2020 1:23 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Yeh probably fake. His missus looks nice

Home Camera Drone
Home Camera Drone
Sep 25, 2020 11:28 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Firearms Officer failing to protect his weapon?

Was the Officer a firearms authorised officer with a holstered 9mm pistol?

If so, chances are the arrested man, who likely is familiar with firearms, went for the holstered gun, and drew it from the officers holster. Usually these pistols are secured to the holster with a cable preventing the gun from being taken but not from being discharged of course.

If a fight ensured where the suspect had full control of the gun he could have dischaged it at the officer even if the gun was still tethered to the holster.

Anyone familiar with weapons – such as most of the London gangs and especially the immigrants from war torn countries – would know how to handle a pistol (especially a ‘bobby proof’ or ‘squaddy proof’ service Glock 17 or similar with a trigger mounted safety catch and are so simple to use even a child can shoot one – such as why they are issued to ‘Bobbies and ‘Squaddies’).

It is sad that in th UK most immigrants from war torn countries and gang members have had more experience with firearms than the Police, and certainly more than most of the general UK public – few of which have ever handled a ‘real’ gun much less fired one.

In my experience the Police do not recognise that the person they are arresting / holding may have had combat experiece in a foreign country and know how to handle a weapon better than they do. Some immigrants I have spoken to have fought in Syria and Afganistan, others on the streets of Somalia and all know CQB and how to disarm a soldier – making a UK firearms officer easy prey.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 26, 2020 1:50 AM

“It is” NOT “sad that in th UK most immigrants from war torn countries and gang members have had more experience with firearms than the Police,”

We live in ENGLAND Not The USA

Our Police do Not Need Guns

Go on all You Americans – Go on Shoot Each Other – See if we care.

We will watch you do it Live on TV.

Nowt happened here.

Tony

ame
ame
Sep 25, 2020 10:12 PM

so is the author saying Konrona virus is anti Semitic

ame
ame
Sep 25, 2020 10:34 PM
Reply to  ame

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tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 25, 2020 11:05 PM
Reply to  ame

LOL

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 25, 2020 10:39 PM
Reply to  ame

No.

ZenPriest
ZenPriest
Sep 26, 2020 5:30 AM
Reply to  ame

The usual subversion.

paul
paul
Sep 25, 2020 9:39 PM

Why is female genital mutilation ruthlessly suppressed when male genital mutilation is perfectly ok? Is this blatant sexism, or what?

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Sep 25, 2020 11:08 PM
Reply to  paul

Cause women are pussies and men are rock hard …

paul
paul
Sep 26, 2020 3:53 AM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

And what is it with these religions, anyway? They are obsessed with people’s naughty bits. They just can”t leave them alone.

Jean Wilson
Jean Wilson
Sep 25, 2020 11:25 PM
Reply to  paul

Sadly, femail genital mutilation still exists. It is a more complex and gruesome act than that performed on males. Its object is to deprive women of sexual desire and pleasure.

Verity
Verity
Sep 27, 2020 12:50 PM
Reply to  Jean Wilson

This is feminist misinformation. The term “female genital mutilation” is a blanket term which encompasses everything from making a minor nick in the clitoral hood (which is indeed appreciably less traumatic than the circumcision of a male) to a full clitoridectomy, which entails a lot more trauma than the typical circumcision. Yet even the latter, most extreme form, involving complete removal of the clitoris (and usually certain sections of the labia) is not generally something whose object is “to deprive women of sexual desire and pleasure”.

Instead, it is largely a rite of passage into womanhood practised by African tribes, and is typically regarded by those undergoing it as a badge of honour. (Western anthropologists have explained it as embodying a differentiation between men and women; i.e. the clitoris is like a minuscule vestigial penis, thus its removal symbolises a deliberate cutting off the androgynous elements of childhood, so that the girl may enter womanhood.) Naturally, it involves considerable pain, as most tribal initiation rites do, but out of all the (often even more agonising) rites and rituals performed by indigenous tribes, this one has been singled out and seized upon by the privileged feminist élite of the rich west — ever eager to find fuel for their internecine gender war — as an example of female oppression at the hands of wicked men, which is a gross misrepresentation of what this is. …Not least because it is almost always an older woman, well-respected in the tribe, who performs the operation itself. Men are typically not present at all.

I’ve seen a young African woman look forward to and speak excitedly of the day when her clitoris would be removed. And indeed, she underwent the procedure, performed by another woman — without anaesthetic — and afterwards celebrated happily with friends. …As all her friends likewise did.

It might baffle us, but it is their custom and they wish to continue it, and attempts by westerners to convince them that it’s wrong and we know better than they do are seldom well-received. I find many of the practices of indigenous peoples to be mystifying and unpleasant, but no doubt they would themselves find many of our own practices and ideals abhorrent. And looking at the contemporary west, we’re really in no position to be telling the rest of the world what they should and should not be doing.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 25, 2020 11:39 PM
Reply to  paul

some men don’t like girls having fun. i have no idea why. maybe because they have had their’s cut off.

ZenPriest
ZenPriest
Sep 26, 2020 5:31 AM
Reply to  paul

It’s ok cos they suck the blood off the penises.

John Milton
John Milton
Sep 25, 2020 8:51 PM

How anyone can want to belong to a religion which performs genital mutilation ( with a touch of sexual assault for good measure ) on boys is beyond me.

They should leave the poor boys’ penises alone.

When the boys become adults, they can then decide if having their foreskin chopped off, immediately followed by a quick blow job by a fat man in a silly hat, is something that appeals to them.

I suspect foreskin possession would increase drastically amongst jewish men.

John the First
John the First
Sep 25, 2020 8:48 PM

“The same rabbinate that for years has encouraged the crimes of Israel and coddled child abusers is now turning its back on an unprecedented assault on personal liberties, including the freedom to worship.”

If it is true that they ‘encouraged the crimes of Israel’ and ‘coddled child abusers’, then one would not expect them to become examples of defenders of freedom, it they would, it would be very confusing in terms of coherency of a set of values. So far coherent then.

“freedom to worship”

Religion of courses dictates what to worship, nay, proscribes how, what and when in detail. So far, they are also being consistent, and predictable.

Barzini
Barzini
Sep 25, 2020 8:30 PM

The US media is completely dominated by people of that religion

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Sep 25, 2020 11:09 PM
Reply to  Barzini

Religion?

ZenPriest
ZenPriest
Sep 26, 2020 5:35 AM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

Yes religion. A spiritual doctrine. But for clarity can use nationality, identity, ethnicity, race,, culture. Doesnt matter.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 25, 2020 8:25 PM

The Naomi Wolff video has a lot of good and relevant observations. And it is heartening to hear someone who understands that the virus has taken the place of the necessary “enemy” only with a much more potent potential for fear because it is “everywhere” and it is “legitimate” in the sense that it is no longer seen as a political matter where people naturally suspect partisanship. Instead it is a matter of “Science”.

There’s also a wonderful rebuttal to conspiracy phobia. She worked as advisor to political figures and knows how it works i.e. the complex planning that avoids “fingerprints” (e.g. apparently random tweets and messages that are in fact co-ordinated to achieve an aim) is in fact the routine behaviour of government bodies.

The observation about backouts – supposedly due to the virus – seems to bear out my “Three Days of the Condor” scenario where resources will be stripped under the cover of “unanticipated” disruptions. 

But there is a familiar frustrating reluctance to join those two final dots i.e. that the use made of the pandemic implies that the declaration of a medical crisis was motivated by those fascist ambitions i.e. that the emergency measures were not something that happened “naturally” and were then taken advantage of but were set up to initiate the power grab. In other words, there was no need for the declaration of an emergency in the first place.

This realisation has a devastating effect on any positive noises she makes about “hoping to be wrong”. It is not the case that the emergency might have a positive outcome when the emergency itself was deliberately created to usher in a transformation from an admittedly weak democracy to something altogether different. 

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 25, 2020 9:21 PM
Reply to  George Mc

The Wolff video is on Facebook and there’s a comment which I think is worth pondering:

“…..personally I think both Right and Left are infiltrated by operatives who are manipulating both towards the ends of a bigger agenda of chaos to justify hard crackdown authoritarian rule.”

Doctortrinate
Doctortrinate
Sep 25, 2020 8:23 PM

as the New Jersey Rabbi, who regardless of regulation – continued with (I assume) a service…and as any who’s opinion is at variance to official design / feel that they’ve lost their integrity etc – then are perfectly within their rights to do so….Unfortunately, “it seems” his congregation was too busy filming the event, in place of defending – their belief…or the Rabbi.

——

“Woe to the shepherds who destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture!”

Jeremiah 23

Messenger Charles
Messenger Charles
Sep 25, 2020 7:10 PM

“Israeli officials attribute just over 1,100 deaths to COVID19 this year, nearly all of them among people of very advanced age and fragile health.”

No one has died from Covid 19. Not even Israeli Jews.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 25, 2020 7:05 PM

I thought my comment was extremely mild. However it did mention Gilad Atzmon, who has had a particularly hard time recently. He grew up in Israel, and is a very wise man. A great writer and musician.

https://gilad.online/writings

Barzini
Barzini
Sep 25, 2020 8:31 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Comment is free – except when you mention a certain subject

ZenPriest
ZenPriest
Sep 26, 2020 5:37 AM
Reply to  Barzini

It’s almost like they control everything, or something.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 25, 2020 7:00 PM

I would say we are in phase 3 of the lockdown liquefying policy i.e. the softening up of all the standards and regulations that have given us a bearable working societal model although granted it has been going through a process of undermining for decades now.

Phase 1 was the “Shock and Awe” part with the sledgehammer delivery of The New Plague: a great blow that delivered the initial lockdown as (and how quaint it all seems now) a temporary measure necessary to “protect lives” under threat from this “unprecedented new menace”. At this point it was – at the risk of sounding facetious – “exciting”, something a bit different. There was even almost a kind of “holiday” peacefulness about the lack of traffic etc. Although for those with a deservedly cynical outlook, the ominous indications of permanence were already in the air and were even announced through some of the media organs.

Phase 2 was the apparent loosening of the restrictions which brought about a sense of some returning normality. Crowds were starting to gather; streets were filling up; roads were becoming busy again.

Phase 3 is the sudden and inexplicable resurgence of the initial fear porn that marked Phase 1. Inexplicable since it seemed that, even with the media reports, deaths were falling off. This fall necessitated the switch to “cases”. But the very fact of this switch was a curious indication of an Orwellian substitution tactic whereby minds were being rewired. And this resurgence of panic inducement was naturally accompanied by a re-application of the lockdown. But now the media manipulators would seem to be banking on weariness, on the creation of that final 1984 scene where Winston Smith drunkenly gazes at the TV and realises that he has come to “love” Big Brother.

Of course, there is a long way to go yet. Indeed, this is just the beginning. But the ultimate aim suggests the ending of that remarkable movie Three Days of the Condor. To modify:

When people are running out, when there’s no heat in their homes and they’re cold, when their engines stop, when people who have never known hunger start going hungry. They won’t want to be asked their opinion or their ideas. They’ll be prepared for any deal at all.

Jean Wilson
Jean Wilson
Sep 25, 2020 11:35 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I agree George. And now we have the beginning of the next fear porn cycle:

“The global death toll from COVID-19 could more than double to 2 million before a successful vaccine is widely used and could be even higher without concerted action to curb the pandemic, a World Health Organization (WHO) official has said.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-26/who-covid-19-2-million-deaths-likely-before-vaccine-if-no-action/12706780

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 26, 2020 9:06 AM
Reply to  Jean Wilson

You have to underrstand the true nature of that quote. It’s an advertisement. As in “Hey – is your hair embarrassing you? Well we have the answer ….”

But how many other illnesses have shocking death figures when totalled up? Pick any of them and then direct the world’s resources away from fripperies like, you know, other (real) health care, helping the old and the disabled etc. and all towards the “cure” for an illness that’s fairly regular anyway!

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 25, 2020 6:47 PM

Yes, we have arrived.
This isn’t incompetence on a global scale. It isn’t an April Fool’s joke being played upon us all.
It is utter desperation.
If sanity in politics had still existed, there might still have been a way to save face for those lured by the promise of untold wealth, or the fear of losing the fruits of their long climb to the top of the power tree. One possible model might have been Germany:

Federal health minister Jens Spahn’s admission that Berlin’s lockdown was too harsh has surprised many and infuriated those hit hardest by the shutdown. The remarks will be grist to the mill of the 40,000 people who demonstrated in Berlin at the weekend against ongoing Covid-19 restrictions as overblown.

Several months ago, when all this nonsense first got out of hand, Spahn made a cryptic comment (which appears to have been pulled from the internet) about a possible future need for us “to forgive each other”…
I take that as a Freudian slip of his – an admission that he knows something shadowy and shameful is going on, and that if this hoax should be stopped in its tracks, there will be some forgiving to do…
But on goes the juggernaut steamroller… It has already started to slide down the mountain… There’s no stopping it now…
So, what do desperate people do? What do people do who are stuck in a quicksand and they’re in too deep for help to be possible?
They flail about. That’s what they do.
And that’s what the “authorities” are all doing as we watch. They are wishing they had not done what they have done. Wishing that there had been no suicides, no countless numbers of businesses falling on their face, no needless deaths due to their hysterical, uninformed control-freakery, and now they are hoping that their flailing about will achieve some kind of last-minute reprieve, and everybody will suddenly understand that they were right to usher in George Orwell’s brilliant dystopia in 2020…
Well, nope. It isn’t going to happen.
Forgiveness is out.
Understanding is out.
We need to start preparing a long list of trials for the culprits. Quick ones, since we have already wasted far too much time on this atrocious farce.

THX-1143
THX-1143
Sep 25, 2020 8:14 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Quick ones

well, there’s no shortage of lamp-posts.

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 25, 2020 9:13 PM
Reply to  THX-1143

Oh, they’ll get their trial, but I strongly suggest, due to the unusual seriousness of the genocidal crimes alleged, that the interminable appeals procedure, often used by over-wealthy lawyers on behalf of their stunningly guilty clients, be dismantled in favour of a special, large, decently paid and international jury, scrupulously vetted for any possible conflicts of interest.
For example:
Suspect A: Arrested on Monday.
On Tuesday, jury meets at all-day internet conference for preliminary assessment of any available evidence.
Cases for, and against, conviction presented at trial on Wednesday.
On Thursday, jury meets again to consider any new evidence coming to light at the trial.
Suspect acquitted or sentenced on Friday.
Suggested number of cases processed per week: 3.
Next, please!

Jean Wilson
Jean Wilson
Sep 25, 2020 11:29 PM
Reply to  THX-1143

Many of these are now adorned with 5G cells.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Sep 25, 2020 6:44 PM

Lol, OhGee goes OnGod!

So SOO Desperate.

THX-1143
THX-1143
Sep 25, 2020 8:15 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

how are things at work, these days?

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tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 25, 2020 9:51 PM
Reply to  THX-1143

So far as I am aware DunGroanin, has never been anywhere near Cheltenham, unlike a few very clever people I used to know about 20 years ago. They were in their 20’s and wrote computer software. Dung’s about the same age as me, and is going to be well past it by now.

However, someone has been buggering about with both mine and my wife’s computers and mobile phones.

Nosy sods.

I have never worked for any of these [email protected]

Just got a message from my mobile phone supplier

“Hello, we know there are network problems in (my post code), we’re working on them. Sorry if you’re feeling the pain….”

There is no way I am going to click on that link, even though it might be legit.

The mobile phone service and the landline service really is crap, where we live.

That is why we have more than 1 supplier.

Sometimes it’s good to talk.

I have no evidence that any of these people have actually been to our house, except when they knock on the door, and we invite them in to fix the bloody thing.

Tony

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 25, 2020 6:40 PM

The difference between a medical doctor and a politician. I agree with the doctor:

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JudyJ
JudyJ
Sep 25, 2020 6:56 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

Dr Christian Jessen and Dr Hilary Jones – both TV GPs. Two diametrically opposed positions. Oh if only Piers Morgan would get CJ on his morning programme to debate the issue with resident doc, HJ, to see if the latter is prepared to accuse CJ of being “very, very dangerous”.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 25, 2020 7:08 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Lockdown is very, very dangerous in my opinion. It’s sadistic and cruel. It must be ended yesterday.

And I’ve no doubt Piers Morgan will break lockdown rules in some way or other. The rules are made to be inhumane so that people break them – simply to survive.

In six months the Gov’t will use those transgressions as reason to impose another six months of terror. And so the cycle continues.

Lockdown is fascism.

Messenger Charles
Messenger Charles
Sep 25, 2020 7:13 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

Lockdown is Communism.

THX-1143
THX-1143
Sep 25, 2020 8:19 PM

so we can nationalize the banks, now?

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 26, 2020 6:23 PM
Reply to  THX-1143

No need for banks. The Treasury should create money with no interest and distribute it through the post offices.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 25, 2020 9:28 PM

I’m guessing that you are suffering from a variation of Tourette’s where every time you get annoyed at something, you scream “Communism!”

Mr Y
Mr Y
Sep 25, 2020 10:26 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Hehe …

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Sep 25, 2020 11:13 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I’ve seen people eat live animals to survive in africa over the lockdown. Dead elephants actually
In botswana
No money no honey

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 26, 2020 6:24 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Who says I am annoyed? Who says I scream? You need to get your girly emotions under control.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 26, 2020 12:12 AM
Reply to  Eyes Open

Piers Morgan is just The TV show Personality who has always been full of shit.

It is Piers Corbyn who is The Real Thing.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 25, 2020 6:36 PM

I do not know a great deal about any of the various forms of the Jewish Religion, though I am a big fan of Gilad Atzmon, but not particularly of Sax, except when done extremely well, and in moderation – it’s kind of like the icing on the cake.

I was brought up as a staunch Roman Catholic, which involved a lot of mind terrorism, especially when I was about 7. I guess it was pretty much the same as being an Orthodox Jew. I have never had a problem with them, and almost no one else has in England. The last time I went to Camden Town in North London for a gig, there were loads of people wandering round who were quite obviously Orthodox Jews. I thought they looked sweet, particularly the old men with their long beards and funny hats. I saw absolutely no evidence of anyone giving them a hard time.

I gave up my Catholic Religion at the age of 15, because the Priest in Confession wanted to know all the detail, about a girl in my class, I had fallen in love with, and wanted to make love to. So I confessed what I wanted to do in great detail, as if I had. It probably made his day.

I went home, and told my Mum and Dad, and my Older Brothers and Sisters, that I had given up The Catholic Religion, and was never going to Church ever again. They all said – you are going to hell, and maybe, but over 50 years later I am still here.

So now, we have to get to the nitty gritty. The Jews, with regards to whatever flavour you can think of, are causing one hell of a lot of grief. They seem to have the most absurd and ridiculous influence of both American Foreign policy and British Foreign Policy.

I just do not understand what exactly their leverage is.

I also think The Roman Catholic Church is just as bad, and possibly even worse.

I do not like any of These Religious Maniacs of any Flavour whatsover.

I just hope that their idea of hell is true, and they go there for all eternity, and leave the rest of us alone,

We are not trying to cause any mayhem, war, misery, death and destruction and mass genocide.

It’s religious people doing that.

“Blockheads ‘Hit Me With Your Rhythm Stick’ 9.10.16”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrnWV39h7Wg

Tony

Edwige
Edwige
Sep 25, 2020 7:11 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

I’m waiting to find better statements against the current situation from anyone in a position of institutional authority than Cardinal Vigano’s:

https://veritasliberabitvos.info/appeal/

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 25, 2020 8:10 PM
Reply to  Edwige

Yeh, that’s great, but what difference will it make? The reason, I particularly like the video I posted, is that it was quite obviously done by an amateur, who sneaked in between the stage and the cage, and caught the entire thing both sound and vision in excellent quality of both all the diverse members of the band and the audience. I reckon it was a little girl. No one stopped her. She just did it.

RIP Ian Dury. He got Polio when he was a kid, but that didn’t stop him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Dury

Tony

Messenger Charles
Messenger Charles
Sep 25, 2020 7:16 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Leverage????? One word – ROTHSCHILD!

Voz 0db
Voz 0db
Sep 25, 2020 6:24 PM

I wonder if the Israeli officials are going to build concentration camps to deal with these disobedient orthodox slaves?!

Jean Wilson
Jean Wilson
Sep 25, 2020 11:38 PM
Reply to  Voz 0db

They already have the camps – used for Palestinians.

Ort
Ort
Sep 26, 2020 1:12 AM
Reply to  Voz 0db

I assume you meant to write “more concentration camps”, unless you temporarily forgot about the “open-air” kind.

Jessy
Jessy
Sep 25, 2020 6:21 PM

The Scientist who adivce the British and many other governments have links back to dodgy US, CIA type think-tanks or foundations or research centres, just look at their CV’s. And the press who in the vangard of the attacks on the covid measures are all in the alt-right camp, which is effectivily the political wing of the CIA and the deep state military cabal. Heads we lose, tails we lose.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Sep 25, 2020 6:13 PM

Going further afield from New York or New Jersey, to its racist and criminal quislings in “Zionaziland”, what the Rosh Hashanah lock downs show is that the Corporate Fascists have no regard for any organized religion except peripherally.

https://www.azquotes.com/quote/663216

Messenger Charles
Messenger Charles
Sep 25, 2020 6:44 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

Corporate Communists, not Corporate Fascists. Fascism died out with Chile’s Pinochet.

THX-1143
THX-1143
Sep 25, 2020 8:23 PM

Corporate Communists

wow, you are really an idiot.

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 26, 2020 6:26 PM
Reply to  THX-1143

If only the opinions of ignorant people mattered.

Jessy
Jessy
Sep 25, 2020 6:13 PM

Two solid pysop’s today, One in the UK, the police shooting and the second in Paris, with a knife attack, which has been flaged for the past few weeks as in preperation. The CIA and their local operatorts are getting busy agian. Do they really think we believe this shit anymore.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Sep 25, 2020 6:17 PM
Reply to  Jessy

You can fool some of the people some of the time
But you can’t fool all of the people all of the time…

Still the majority of people who’s limbic system jumps at the latest headline with a soldier saluted attention!

Their adrenal glands are hijacked by BiG BlAcK CorP

ame
ame
Sep 25, 2020 7:06 PM
Reply to  Jessy

called a switch
they even had a bluelivesmatter hashtag
didn’t something happen after March equinox mental lockdown didn’t someone get killed by police ??
Now Police need to be fully armed up in U.k it to dangerous even the new CV team workers and contact and tracers need weapons.

I bet the (fake) death report will say dead of gunshot or what ever rather the Bs19….
(maybe even both)

threatre for the brain dead reassurance for the hypnotised

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 25, 2020 6:08 PM

We are witnessing a resurgence of the old witch hunting hysteria on a massive scale now. And I have no doubt that this was all planned. The virus – any virus – is the perfect tool, the mortal menace that can only be answered with absolute total submission otherwise we will all die. So goes the underlying emotive stream.

And what all this really amounts to is a deliberately orchestrated economic meltdown under the cover of a manufactured health crisis. The thoroughly artificial construct of public opinion and participation patched together on the media is an illusion whose purpose is to induce despair in anyone who doubts the programme – and I reckon the doubters must be in the majority, although they are all made to feel like potential criminals in that their doubts are “potentially dangerous to public health”.

gorden
gorden
Sep 25, 2020 6:03 PM

they should all be happy

they are not boiling frogs like we
the 5g is an idf weapon that is banned in israel
for some reason they prefer fiber optics and 3g

i wonder cancer radiation that would be?

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Sep 25, 2020 5:56 PM

RE: The first is that coronavirus hysteria has enhanced the rabbinate’s power.

This is also true of bureaucrats everywhere of whatever status. This is the lure of totalitarianism.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 25, 2020 5:31 PM

Lockdown is inhumane. It must be ended.

Now is the time for courage. There are good people everywhere. Humanity must prevail.

I miss the old normal.

Jessy
Jessy
Sep 25, 2020 6:16 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

Touble is I believe both Covid and the uprising against covid measures are both CIA operations, and I surprise myself all the time how right I am, even when I don’t want to be.

Messenger Charles
Messenger Charles
Sep 25, 2020 7:24 PM
Reply to  Jessy

Someone with their thinking cap on. Real opposition is a very small minority.

“The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.” — Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 25, 2020 8:32 PM

Lenin’s coup in Russia was financed and facilitated by the Germans.

Brianborou
Brianborou
Sep 25, 2020 11:35 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

Lenin’s coup in Russia was facilitated by the Germans and financed by Wall Street plus with the help of Woodrow Wilson plus Lloyd George.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 26, 2020 1:57 PM
Reply to  Brianborou

Neither Wilson or Lloyd-George or Churchill backed the Russian revolution feeling the Russian masses to be inferior like the Irish and American Negros and said so often . Wall Street backed all sides during WW1 when it believed a profit could be made . Germany set the Russian revolution in motion to get Russia out of WW1 but came to regret the unintended consequences of WW2.

Brianborou
Brianborou
Sep 26, 2020 6:11 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

Wilson via his consigliere Colonel House provided Trotsky with a passport and permission to travel to St Petersburg. In Halifax Trotsky, carrying at least $10,000 provided by Jacob Schiff who along with other Wall Street bankers financed the Bolshevik Revolution, was detained in Halifax Canada by the Canadian secret services. Lloyd George instructed the Canadian Government to permit Trotsky and the other Bolshevik on the ship to continue to St Petersburg. Lloyd George was a figure head as was Wilson they did as they were told by Wall Street and the City of London. Not only did Wall Street back the Bolshevik Revolution they also backed Hitler. The strategy was Hegelian thesis+ antithesis = synergy. The consequences of WW2 was what they wanted a new world alignment, new world organisations seeking their ultimate goal a New World Order.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 26, 2020 6:26 PM
Reply to  Brianborou

We were talking of Lenin ,and his hypocrisy ? That foreign leaders routinely meddled in 19th century Russian politics for their own purposes was not the point of my response to Messenger Charles ? With the rise of Stalin the Bolshevik revolution ended. Lenin himself being shot in the face by a woman from a rival faction , from which never quite recovered.

Brianbotou
Brianbotou
Sep 26, 2020 11:33 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

We are talking about the Bolshevik revolution of which Lenin was one part. Its noticeable you can offer no counter evidence to the facts that the Western imperialists financed and supported both the Communists and National Socialist party in order to change the world to a New World Order!!!

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 26, 2020 6:32 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

You obviously mean the Rothschilds, it was they who financed both sides in WW1

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 26, 2020 8:49 PM

There is nothing remarkable about the Rothschild’s as far as financial elites go?

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 27, 2020 6:25 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

You need an education. “Over and over again we have seen that there is another power than that with its seat at Westminster. The City of London, a convenient term for a collection of financial interests is able to assert itself against the government of the country. Those who control money can pursue a policy at home and abroad contrary to that which is being decided by the people.”

— Clement Attlee – UK Prime Minister 1945-51

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 26, 2020 6:30 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

Nonsense, Lenin was financed by US bankers and Wall Street members of The Tribe.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 26, 2020 8:45 PM

Yeah ,right Winston , just as the ministry of truth and history has indoctrinated you to believe and angrily insist , Any history book until recently can back up my initial comment.

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 27, 2020 6:22 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

That being a ‘history book’ published by a publishing house owned and controlled by a member(s) of the tribe. Impressive!

Messenger Charles
Messenger Charles
Sep 25, 2020 7:21 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

“Humanity must prevail.”

I bet the white Russians said that in 1917 before they were marched off to the Gulags.

martin
martin
Sep 26, 2020 3:20 AM

..before they were lined up along mass graves and shot. Sholokhov ‘And Quiet Flows the Don.’

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 25, 2020 11:55 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

We have hope, cos you wrote that.