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WATCH: Identifying State Crimes Against Democracy in Real Time

Kevin Ryan joins host Piers Robinson to discuss the definitions of  “Structual Deep Events” and “state crimes against democracy” (SCADs), the tell-tale signs common to incidents from 9/11 to Covid and the October 7th Hamas attack, as well as how to categorize different types of SCAD.

Most importantly, Ryan discusses how these signs can help spot a SCAD unfolding in real time.

This is one section of a three-hour symposium Genocide and Empire co-hosted by the International Centre for 911 Justice and UKColumn, and you can watch the entire programme here, or in separate parts here.
Kevin Ryan is a chemist, former laboratory director, and prominent voice in the 9/11 Truth movement. You can read more his work at his blog. You can also watch his testimony to the Toronto Hearings on 9/11 here, his video on the parallels between 9/11 and Covid here and his interview as part of our Covid19/11 series here.

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Shire Watch
Shire Watch
Jan 26, 2024 3:28 PM

How about all the state crimes against farmers by the state and corporate powers bankrupting them and driving them off the land on the basis of the CO2 hoax & the alleged cow fart peril.

Look at what is happening in Germany with the protests or has this site like other so-called “independent” media sites turned into government-shill sites?

Search on bitchute under “German farmers”.

Roger
Roger
Jan 26, 2024 6:15 AM

This one goes out to the “Researchers” amongst us

MAY 2, 2022
Acting on Common Knowledge. #SITREP situation Report. “Of Course its true , This time out Loud”!

The story is not who owns Twitter or free speech its about using data as a prompter or manipulator of human actions.

The internet has become a huge exercise in forum sliding.

Penelope
Penelope
Jan 25, 2024 4:00 AM

Without the legal structure of our country we’re just refugees. The most important site on the internet, IMHO:
https://bailiwicknews.substack.com/p/legal-walls-of-the-covid-19-kill?s=w

Fits nicely w this off-g article.

Jimmie Joe
Jimmie Joe
Jan 25, 2024 2:53 AM

German farmers block traffic for a week because they are being deprived of 0.9 (!) billion euros. The protest is kept quiet by the media. Ethiopia is treating itself to one of the most expensive government palaces in the world. When asked why the African country is still being supported with German funds in this case, the German Development Ministry has a snotty answer at the ready. The Federal Ministry for Economic Cooperation and Development has defended the aid provided to Ethiopia to support the supposedly beleaguered country. The landlocked East African country should continue to receive funds from Germany, the ministry said in response to a question from MP Joana Cotar (non-party, German mother, Romanian father). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joana_Cotar https://twitter.com/JoanaCotar/status/1749454935656157418 The parliamentarian had asked the ministry for a statement because it had become known that Ethiopia is having a government palace built for around ten billion dollars, which would correspond to… Read more »

mgeo
mgeo
Jan 25, 2024 4:25 AM
Reply to  Jimmie Joe

The Ethiopian airline has up-to-date planes. Does it have the business to justify them?

Jimmie Joe
Jimmie Joe
Jan 25, 2024 7:40 AM
Reply to  mgeo

Probably they have even more modern
airplanes than Ryanair in the meantime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDuSrJttgCc

Steve
Steve
Jan 24, 2024 11:06 PM

Believe in yourself, move on. Happy to hear about CJ.
Just move on, the more we are “told” the outcome lessens our ability to be human. We do not require the permission of others, be it State other.
We need to tell “them” the outcome.
Believe in yourself.
Be well.

Researcher
Researcher
Jan 24, 2024 7:41 PM

Once you watch SEPTEMBER CLUES it’s obvious that the media and government are propagating lies and manipulating our reality simply through repetition and CGI altered imagery.

roger
roger
Jan 27, 2024 1:28 PM
Reply to  Researcher

No Planers at Pentagon research from ISGP Personally, I am fairly persuaded by Dr Judy Woods’s Directed Energy Weapons Theory. Building 7 Kind of makes the Plane or No Plane thing mute but of course, it is plausible and doable much more convincingly today to boot.. At the end of the Because …” The Media Lies ” ” Because CGI ” or ” Because Free Masonic gatekeeping schill” won’t get any argument home. Here’s the big takeaway. “Houston We Have a Problem” The Power Elite Analysis “Mother Lode”. Global Governance in the Twenty-First Century. An Overview of the Elite Forces Controlling the World Economy by Michael L. Chadwick – Global Governance in the Twenty-First Century. An Overview of the Elite Forces Controlling the World Economy by Michael L. Chadwick There really is a “world system of financial control in private hands” that is “able to dominate the political system of… Read more »

Researcher
Researcher
Jan 29, 2024 2:49 AM
Reply to  roger

ISGP is 100% disinformation. Judy Wood is 100% disinformation. This kind of disinfo is called poisoning the well, or muddying the water.

There’s no nukes, period. she’s there to support fake nukes, and fake deaths on the planes and empty buildings, just like CJ supports fake governments, fake leak orgs, fake imprisonment, fake trials, orchestrated wars, fake candidates; fake voting, fake viruses and fake contagion.

Wood’s faux assistant was involved in a faux shooting psyop. How intellectually deficient do you have to be to believe this laughable garbage?

Don’t respond with more cut and paste disinformation, it was rhetorical. You are the type of disinfo peddlar who thinks (or pretends) mass shootings are all real, and men really walked on the moon.

Researcher
Researcher
Jan 31, 2024 7:08 PM
Reply to  Roger

I don’t click your links. You are just another “coincidence theorist”. PSYOPS cost less $$$. And since the entirety of the privately owned governments are based on racketeering and outright theft, by controlling human behavior through mass mind control – farming humanity then culling humanity – why wouldn’t they run psychological warfare and psychological operations that create more $$$ for THEM and more control for THEM? A) Less cost, more control and more profit. Or B) More cost, less control and less profit. If you are running an enterprise, business, or an organization which are you going to choose? The answer is always A. You don’t have an answer for simple logic, because you are a Mason. And as such, you support fraud, pathological lies and outright stupidity. When the AI and algorithms determine you and your offspring are more money to THEM (the cartel that owns every government corporation)… Read more »

ThinkTwice
ThinkTwice
Jan 24, 2024 10:19 AM
Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Jan 24, 2024 9:29 AM

We live quite near a by-pass.

Walking down the road the other day I noticed how high the lamp post are on by-passes.

Mental note to self – excellent sites for gibbets

rubberheid
rubberheid
Jan 25, 2024 4:10 PM

the time approaches, one doth sense . . .

a lot of people have had enough. Yet, they still seem to take it out on each other . . : /

let’s see how Their conscription drive ends ; )

Sal P
Sal P
Jan 24, 2024 4:55 AM

Off-topic but important:

https://www.velazquez.press/p/acquittal-for-us-author-cj-hopkins

A bit of good news for a change.

Congrats and best wishes to CJ Hopkins.

Johnny
Johnny
Jan 24, 2024 5:27 AM
Reply to  Sal P

Acquitted to avoid the ‘oxygen of publicity’ or acquitted because ‘the law is an ass’?

Or both.

Willem
Willem
Jan 24, 2024 6:47 AM
Reply to  Sal P

I am sure we will hear what happened in the fourth reich (his words) above this line soon.

Well, whatever it is, it surely is a spectacle.
It’s like reading about the primaries
Or like watching road runner.
Or like hearing about the deadly covid
All according to the same playbook where nothing truly happens. It’s a play with a number of stages, but the play never reaches the final stage. Meep meep.

I am sure that Hopkins did not act his play, but he surely was used as such. Good for him that he was acquitted. But bad for him that he was used as an actor. Filthy reich.

Or as Michael Stipe sang:

If you belieeeeve they put a man on the moon, man on the mooooon.

rechenmacher
rechenmacher
Jan 24, 2024 10:52 AM
Reply to  Willem

I’d call it scripted reality.

Researcher
Researcher
Jan 24, 2024 7:36 PM
Reply to  rechenmacher

Yeah seems as phony to me as anything I have ever read, anywhere.

Roger
Roger
Jan 24, 2024 4:12 PM
Reply to  Willem

I guess no one believes anything any more.
One of CJ s best things for me is this with Catherine Austin Fitts
WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT MR. GLOBAL – PART ONE – CATHERINE AUSTIN FITTS & C.J. HOPKINS
Whichever side I am on I would be happy if CJ, Catherine and John Titus were allies.

Researcher
Researcher
Jan 24, 2024 7:36 PM
Reply to  Roger

3 Masonic controlled opposition together, talking 90% bs and 10% truth. That’s quite the dream team.

Roger
Roger
Jan 24, 2024 11:02 PM
Reply to  Researcher

I used to teach an informal course for psychiatric residents in the Veterans Administration Hospital at Palo Alto, trying to get them to think some of the thoughts that are in these essays. They would attend dutifully and even with intense interest to what I was saying, but every year the question would arise after three or four sessions of the class: “What is this course all about?” I tried various answers to this question. Once I drew up a sort of catechism and offered it to the class as a sampling of the questions which I hoped they would be able to discuss after completing the course. The questions ranged from “What is a sacrament?’ to “What is entropy?” and “What is play?” As a didactic maneuver, my cathechism was a failure: it silenced the class. But one question in it was useful: A certain mother habitually rewards her… Read more »

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jan 25, 2024 4:29 AM
Reply to  Roger

Sorry, but the Judge is clear in his final vote: Leftist no vitamine bs.

Researcher
Researcher
Jan 25, 2024 7:00 PM
Reply to  Roger

A proud Order Out of Chaos club member. In the military no less. A double dipper. I suggest you use punctuation and paragraphs in the next straw man anecdote.

Roger
Roger
Jan 25, 2024 8:12 PM
Reply to  Researcher

Its a cut and paste including punctuation from a book by Gregory bateson.
I think it illustrates the point very well, no strawman intended its a question of context
One mans psyop is another mans Cyclops.

Researcher
Researcher
Jan 25, 2024 9:18 PM
Reply to  Roger

You omitted the link and quotation marks. Aka plagiarism.

So you are an honest dupe, congratulating an unimpeachable, honest dupe who coincidentally happens to be an “award winning” (Mason) playwright, novelist and political satirist.

Nothing’s a psyop unless Roger Says. It’s like Simon Says, but for dupes.

Roger
Roger
Jan 26, 2024 5:42 AM
Reply to  Researcher

I have concluded that your intention is to engage in disruptive behaviour consistent with forum sliding recommended in various manuals widely available on the internet. You yourself may well be a perpetrator of psyop type behaviour whether intentionally or through a double bind dilemma through some other system of logic, supported by your world view. There remains the possibility that you may in fact be correct. I do wonder if you do not know you are rather rude and wonder why you would detract from your own presumably sincere and authentic opinions with trifles. I have commented here on Off Guardian for many years and read CJ Hopkins on his Consent Factory web site site this article is very early, many consent factory articles have also appeared here on OG.(are we to believe OG are useful idiots, or,are they in on it too? My own sincere belief is that this… Read more »

Researcher
Researcher
Jan 26, 2024 6:59 PM
Reply to  Roger

Your persona, CJ, and all the other proponents of false authority that propagate this site filling the comments below or above the fold with obvious lies, are reprehensible, immoral and dishonest. If that offends you, then sit with that discomfort. Lies and propaganda are an affront to the intellect of all the readers here, whether they realize it or not. I make all my claims or statements using logic, reason and deduction. The hypocrisy of authors or commenters here pointing out immoral behavior of others, but never taking personal responsibility for their obvious collusion and participation, borders on the absurd. The authors and “commenters” or “personas” not only allow or condone the immoral, criminal and violent acts of governments to continue unabated, but seek to actively distract from the real issues the inhabitants of the world face, by continuing to propagate lies, hoaxes and the psychological warfare of the authorities,… Read more »

Roger
Roger
Jan 26, 2024 8:49 PM
Reply to  Researcher

Crystal clear, needless to say it is clear we do not agree. You are quite mistaken to the point of absurdity, this is not something which I will trouble myself with.
I was listening to a debate between doomberg and some energy equities analyst earlier he said this regarding his definition of oil.
“I am always happy to defend what we have written. I will not feel obliged to defend what you thought you read”
Funny that I thought of that when I just read your latest message.

https://youtu.be/EDLeAC8OeJY?feature=shared

The carbon currency end game unfolds as a confluence of economic Myths Directed by a no longer invisible hand seeks to bring in a techno Feudal surveillance state.
Creorder out of Chaos
https://grubstreetinexile.substack.com/p/the-carbon-currency-end-game-unfolds

Roger
Roger
Jan 26, 2024 10:07 PM
Reply to  Roger

@Researcher On the doomberg debate, non of the scenarios discussed talk about the sabotage of Nordstream 2. Who do you think did it? Why do you think they did it? Or Did it happen? Doomberg seems pretty well informed why would he not mention it. a, because it didn’t happen b, because he doesnt know it happened c, because Psyop? The Nord Stream Pipeline The New York Times called it a “mystery,” but the United States executed a covert sea operation that was kept secret—until now SEYMOUR HERSH https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream Vol. 36 No. 8 · 17 April 2014 The Red Line and the Rat Line Seymour M. Hersh on Obama, Erdoğan and the Syrian rebels https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v36/n08/seymour-m.-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line Finally these two videos on my Bitchute channel. MENDACITY AND DUPLICITY SOLDIERS OF WAR. TRUTH THE FIRST CASUALTY. FAIRGAME WMD’S https://www.bitchute.com/video/7wADroAPc7no/ same damn tricks in the same damn way, in some cases with the same… Read more »

David Ho
David Ho
Jan 25, 2024 2:35 AM
Reply to  Researcher

So which bits are bs and which bits are truth, Ruth?
Struth, I can’t tell the difference. Could you spell it out please?

Researcher
Researcher
Jan 25, 2024 7:36 PM
Reply to  David Ho

Read some books on propaganda, social engineering, hypnosis, NLP, mass mind control techniques. Then study esoteric and occulted knowledge.

David Ho
David Ho
Jan 26, 2024 12:04 AM
Reply to  Researcher

That does not answer the question at all. It seems you have no idea and are just making noise. What parts are bs and which parts or not? Are you capable? If you can’t answer it becomes obvious you lack the education to do so and everything that you say is complete bullshit. People can see this in every comment you have posted so far.

George Mc
George Mc
Jan 24, 2024 7:10 AM
Reply to  Sal P

“Only the Epoch Times and a few freelance journalists, including myself, were present to cover the event.”

So the entire matter will be dismissed as “conspiracy stuff” for the “marginal media”.

Roger
Roger
Jan 24, 2024 7:22 AM
Reply to  Sal P

“At the end of the hearing, the judge left the courtroom wearing an FFP2 mask”

Great news , in a fictionalised satire the real world judge could not have presented CJHopkins with a greater gem of pompous absurdity.

Brilliant news.

Sofia
Sofia
Jan 24, 2024 8:27 AM
Reply to  Sal P

Great news! His summation is brilliant and of course the finishing touch of the judge walking out with a FFP2 mask, not having really understood a word of his summation but proving his point wonderfully!

Just going back to the video, I would say that it verged on a bit of academic waffle for something that mostly is quite instinctual, i.e. you feel it in your gut when something is fishy, that’s how most people felt about covid without having to do much analysis, likewise for the 7/10 false flag. You start with your gut and then you do your research.

mastershock
mastershock
Jan 24, 2024 9:47 AM
Reply to  Sal P

What I just read from the link confirms, it was a show trail.
that Sells the agenda of the holys of the holy.
which conveniently is hot topic again and suit this narrative since they’ve liberated the anti vaccer Nazi’s in Palestine.
I am surprised Nukes wasn’t mentioned.

You must believe in that history or else.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jan 24, 2024 12:29 PM
Reply to  mastershock

Are you suggesting that the whole thing was bit “theatrical”?

Researcher
Researcher
Jan 24, 2024 7:33 PM
Reply to  mastershock

The Gaza-Is-Ra-El moving people off land plan is a coordinated operation.

Lu1
Lu1
Jan 24, 2024 12:41 PM
Reply to  Sal P
Roger
Roger
Jan 24, 2024 4:05 PM
Reply to  Lu1

I am genuinely interested, what do you mean, i read the link and still do not understand?

Researcher
Researcher
Jan 24, 2024 7:32 PM
Reply to  Roger

It’s a psyop.

Roger
Roger
Jan 25, 2024 6:52 AM
Reply to  Researcher
Researcher
Researcher
Jan 25, 2024 6:38 PM
Reply to  Roger

Lol. If you believe all the obvious hoaxes and psyops CJ, Fitz et al etc, push, then you can’t determine what’s real or fake.

I’ll bet cold hard cash you also believe in Contagion. Communism vs Capitalism, Constitutions, Elections and the Buy-Bull.

Roger
Roger
Jan 25, 2024 7:06 AM
Reply to  Researcher

Oh I see “Because Psyop”!
As with all, “Because ……..” Fill in the panacea that explains all ills , types of answers this leaves me non the wiser.
The granularity at this level of obscurity has no effect in sustaining the bigger lie, perhaps there is some “precog predictive data” to be gleaned from we dedicated followers of fashion. We gardeners of weeds in the small print of the aftermath of an already expended big lie.
Because Psyop, I see do I feel a why coming on.

George Mc
George Mc
Jan 24, 2024 7:19 PM
Reply to  Sal P

The judge plays every trick in the book.

She claims the “acquittal counteracts your (Mr Hopkins) statements that you live here in a totalitarian state”. (See – our compassionate decision to let you off proves we’re the good guys!)

She sensed “a certain arrogance in his statement ….only he would have understood it, everyone else is stupid sheep” and (the ultimate thigh slapper) “you may already have something totalitarian about you” (It’s you that’s the problem and not us!)

She appeals to this notion that sensible people are “convinced by scientists”. Because …

“After all, it was a completely new situation.” (Well, isn’t it always?!)

And then the inevitable culmination:

“She herself was the granddaughter of Nazi victims ……” (Yes I was there! I know all about it! There’s nothing you can tell me!)

Etc etc etc

Researcher
Researcher
Jan 24, 2024 7:37 PM
Reply to  Sal P

So it was staged. Zzzzz

ariel
ariel
Jan 24, 2024 9:33 PM
Reply to  Sal P

Brilliant, Great News. Thank you Ms Velasquez. I like many others here am a subscriber.
The jackboot evaporated.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jan 25, 2024 4:24 AM
Reply to  Sal P

Why did the thumbs up reach 33? Just asking. I smell fish.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jan 24, 2024 4:31 AM
ariel
ariel
Jan 24, 2024 9:57 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

A brilliant podcast, but it was clear for me by 2016 that the results were manipulated. Previous to that I always tried to hide from American politics.

David Ho
David Ho
Jan 25, 2024 2:46 AM
Reply to  Jimmie Joe

So what are these links about? What is interesting about them? Why should I bother to look at them? What’s in them? Do they have anything to do with the discussion? Have you just completely wasted your time by not providing any introductory material to why you provided the links? No one is going to look at your links. Why should they?

Johnny
Johnny
Jan 24, 2024 12:17 AM

We have been manipulated into masochists.
The propaganda of persistent pain just keeps coming.
Drip fed, doped and distracted, we are putty in their hands.

“Give us more pain”
“We are bored and purposeless”
“Shopping is fun, but now we’ve got too much stuff”
“Travelling is fun, but now we’ve seen it all”
“Show us the new threat, the new enemy”
“We enjoy the pain, it fills our spiritual void”

QED.

Johnny
Johnny
Jan 24, 2024 3:13 AM
Reply to  Johnny
Johnny
Johnny
Jan 23, 2024 10:58 PM
The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
Jan 23, 2024 10:46 PM

Thank you very much for this exchange; very instructive. At about the 8-minute mark, Kevin Ryan laments that “’Conspiracy theorist’ term is used to deter others from investigating historic events; it implies that criminal conspiracies among the rich and powerful are impossible or absurd.”

I don’t think anyone in 2024 can deny that conspiracies by the rich and powerful happen. The issue IMO arises only when, a) it is asserted that all adverse events are the results of conspiracies; b) that all conspiracies are the works of the same group of rich and powerful, which in turn suggests that, c) the conspirators form a monolithic group acting in lockstep above all other groups and reaching the world over.

Back to listening…

Gerard
Gerard
Jan 23, 2024 9:02 PM

So, if we may believe the expertise of mr Kevin Ryan, the “SARS-CoV2” virus has been isolated and identified, finally? Using the rigorous Koch method? Please, show me the proofs…

WorkingClassHero
WorkingClassHero
Jan 24, 2024 8:46 AM
Reply to  Gerard

It has. It’s just they forgot to share with you their “scientific” definition of “isolation”. Which is to add things like monkey kidney cells, bovine serum and many other things. Then they poison the cells and starve them, etc. This is isolation apparently.

Just like the members of the “Bar Table”, “The Science” uses english words they seem to think they can change the definition of willy nilly. But we should not worry our tiny little minds about it, it’s far too complicated for us to understand.

This fictional bullshit needs to end and it will when people stop giving it support and breath.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jan 25, 2024 4:58 AM

Notwithstanding what you and others are saying I will continue to believe in my government because they have university degrees from Yale, and you have not!

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
Jan 23, 2024 6:33 PM

Ryan and Robinson are involved in some rather nefarious activity trying to undermine AE911Truth.
Erasing AE911Truth: International Center’s Ted Walter urged Leroy Hulsey to abandon the organization that funded his Building 7 study, Craig McKee, 1/21/24.
https://truthandshadows.com/2024/01/21/walter-urged-hulsey-to-quit-ae/

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Jan 23, 2024 7:34 PM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

Rather strong. Should we be careful what we say?

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
Jan 23, 2024 8:25 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

We? This was not written by either you or me. Is what Craig McKee says rather strong? Yes, but the stuff about Ted Walter is quite evident. Ryan and Robinson need to account for this given Walters’ prominent role in the Center. My humble opinion. I’m an AE911Truth signatory (one of the architects and engineers with degrees who have singed its petition) and a contributor.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Jan 23, 2024 10:23 PM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

(one of the architects and engineers with degrees…)

I guess they covered the use of quotation marks? 😅 You might want to use them in future, it avoids exactly this confusion 😉

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Jan 27, 2024 3:04 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

16 people must have written very confusing dissertations.

Where do all the grammar Nazis go when you need ‘em, eh? 😅

Researcher
Researcher
Jan 24, 2024 10:45 PM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

So you never watched September clues? You should…

Straight Talk
Straight Talk
Jan 23, 2024 6:27 PM

Exposing more deception. Must watch:

The Great Taking – Documentary

“David Webb exposes the system Central Bankers have in place to take everything from everyone.”

Straight Talk
Straight Talk
Jan 23, 2024 8:10 PM
Reply to  Straight Talk
underground poet
underground poet
Jan 24, 2024 11:55 AM
Reply to  Straight Talk

Not even the system, gets spared in the end.

j d
j d
Jan 24, 2024 2:01 PM
Reply to  Straight Talk

“The Great Taking with David Rogers Webb”: https://home.solari.com/the-great-taking-with-david-rogers-webb/ from Catherine Austin Fitts at the Solari Report “Persuaded that Mr. Global has now created a global mechanism to assert creditor rights over all securities, David lays out his case in The Great Taking. David bases his analysis on statements made by regulators as to what they can do. Carolyn and I still cannot document the legal pathway behind these statements. I believe that much of what David describes were mechanisms created to keep the collateral bubble going. David points to changes in the Uniform Commercial Code that we do not understand—more research here would be invaluable. We do not agree with David’s analysis of money velocity. Centralization and criminality remove trust from the system, bringing on a drop in money velocity. Growth without inflation is more than possible, but it will require a change in the governance and central banking systems.… Read more »

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jan 25, 2024 5:16 AM
Reply to  j d

So the conclusion is Cat and Car confirm the Central Banks Great Taking of small family and business assets and property rights, which is the important part for us.

So a life lived without digital slavery will be a life without any connection to Central Banks.
Is this at all possible when they own it all?

In many cases you could previously make an agreement with most governments about for example an area with especial status like the Amish or the Mohicans, but is this possible with Central Bankers and their well known horny preference for ugly wars and Maui cases?