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“Pro-Russia” does NOT mean anti-globalist

Russia is currently promoting the same Great Reset agenda as the West. It’s time for alt media to face this reality

Catte Black

For the first six years of our eight-year existence OffG was routinely described as “pro-Russian” by detractors and supporters alike. We were cited on RT and one editor was invited to work for them (they declined). We were classified semi-politely as “Russian disinfo” by certain fact-checkers, and condemned as “Russian trolls” who “found a home for their hate” by less scrupulous media.

There were repeat insinuations that we were controlled by the Russian government.

We weren’t, of course. And we aren’t now.

We were “pro-Russian” to the extent that we supported their eminently rational geopolitics over the crazy confrontationalism of the Washington neocons which seemed to be driving the world to war. We were “pro-Russian” in that this counter-propaganda struggle represented probably 90% of our output for our first five years.

We were “pro-Russia” on issues such as Ukraine, the Odessa Massacre, MH17, Syria, the Panama Papers, the Skripals, the Russiagate lies, Luke Harding’s nonsense, the Guardian’s sometimes hilarious Russophobia, and much much more

because being “pro-Russia” at that time meant being pro-peace, pro-rule of law, pro-truth.

But we were never “pro-Russian” to the extent of picking a side or feeling any sense of loyalty that transcends our independent ethical judgement. We were never funded to hold certain opinions, in fact we have never been funded by any benefactors or donors beyond the minuscule percentage of our readers (less than 0.05%) who are generous enough to send us a few tips in return for our free output. We struggle to survive in fact. Can’t afford to pay our wonderful contributors, who never complain about that.

So, why are you not “pro-Russia” at this time?

Well, let’s just remind ourselves of some hard facts.

* In 2020 the Russian leadership and its elites revealed themselves to be an integral part of the fake pandemic “coup”.

* They employed the same fear and deception tactics we saw in the West, in China, in fact in almost every country in the world.

* They initiated the same unnecessary and deeply anti-human isolation and lockdown policies.

* They initiated the same unnecessary and deeply damaging mask policies

* They initiated the same unnecessary and potentially genocidal “vaccine” policies, incentivising and coercing vast numbers of Russian people into getting an untested possibly very dangerous chemical brew injected into their bodies.

Should anyone be “pro” any of this?

But that was 2020, Russia no longer promotes the fake pandemic

A few people keep asserting this – but it’s simply not true. Russia not only continues to push the reality of the “pandemic”, it also promotes the entirely ludicrous “variants” and a slew of potentially toxic, completely unnecessary snake oil “vaccines“.

But isn’t Russia only pretending to go along with the scam?

Sorry, but that argument can only be taken seriously if Russia ever stops promoting the scam. Until they do, it’s QAnon-style hopium.

But they’re opposing globalism – everyone says so

Well, if you listen to a lot of our colleagues in alt media you would certainly get that impression.

Indeed it’s a lovely idea, to which I have only one objection –

Namely, that it doesn’t seem to be true.

Or at least there is very little evidence to support it. And too often our colleagues are “establishing” these claims by simply ignoring actual facts or even reversing the truth.

Even if you disregard their wholesale adoption of the “covid” lie, Russia’s ties with and promotion of the freshly emerging globalist agenda are easily accessible.

As in here and here and here.

However heroic his past, however much of a people’s champion he may once have been, Putin is now lying to his own people, just like Biden. He is selling them potentially deadly “vaccines” for completely made-up variants of a totally imaginary “new disease”. He is sucking up to the WEF and WHO and “dear Klaus” with just as much zeal as Macron or Sunak. And that much-vaunted “multipolarity” is arguably less a move toward a fairer world and more ‘the next phase in the construction of…the “New World Order”‘.

The only comprehensive counter-argument is to simply deny it point blank, or to claim “Russia don’t really mean it”, which steers us right back into blind hopium territory.

But that way madness lies.

So, we think the real question is – in this stark new post-2020 reality what does “pro-Russian” (or pro-American, or pro-any state anywhere) even mean any more?

What big moral questions divide them? What real options are we offered?

Being coerced into getting poisoned by SputnikV rather than Astra Zeneca?

– Being locked up and lied to by Biden as opposed to Putin?

– Getting Agenda 2030 served up via Moscow as opposed to DC or London?

– Having your CBDC in programable dollars as opposed to programable rubles?

Currently to be “pro-Russia” is to be pro-Globalism, pro-Agenda 2030, pro-phony pandemic legislation and pro-clot shots.

We absolutely are not pro any of those options.

Are you?

So are you NATO shills now?

Yes. Yes, we are.

Even though we have literally never endorsed a single action NATO has taken. Ever. Even though we have only ever pointed out NATO is, and always has been, a force for chaos and evil in this world

we are now “NATO shills”.

That’s the great function of the fake binary – it turns intelligent people into human on/off switches, blinded to nuance or free thought.

If you don’t side with Team A, then you must be siding with Team B. You have to pick a side even if the only difference between them seems to be the color of their jerseys. And if you refuse to pick a team someone will pick one for you and insist you are in it.

What we want to say to these people is this –

If you strip off your pre-2020 preconceptions, turn down the feel-good, psychologically manipulative speeches from beloved leaders – what government anywhere is currently working for a better world, or any world beyond the Great Reset, carbon-monitored Agenda 2030 New Normal hellscape?

I think the answer to that, dear binary-hugger, is – none of them.

This is where we are right now and why we are no longer saying things that can be defined as “pro-Russian”.

Our values haven’t changed. The situation has changed. The reality on the ground has changed.

But wait, I hear some of you cry, ok Putin may be shilling for covid and ok, he might be promoting the same globalist nightmare as every other major world leader..

but you can’t deny he’s fighting Nazis in Ukraine!

Surely this gives Russia back some small amount of moral ascendancy?

Well, in so far as Russia – or anyone – is genuinely fighting Nazis they will continue to have our support, which is why we were quick to point out last year the hypocrisy and deception of the Western media version of events in Ukraine.

But let’s not be hopelessly naive…

I mean that’s Propaganda 101 after all – if you want to quell dissent, divert attention from unpopular policies and rally faltering support – start a war.

Sorry, I mean a “special military operation”.

Do we agree Russia is suddenly absolved and suddenly a righteous cause again just because it moves some troops into Ukraine – while at the same time continuing the same anti-human agenda of lies and fear porn?

Well, surprisingly, no, we don’t. Any more than we think this is about Putin “defending humanity” against Schwab, Gates and the globalist hordes.

But we’ll be talking more about this curious, contradictory and puzzling “not-war” – and its stenographers and apologists amongst the alt media – very soon…

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Martillo
Martillo
Oct 4, 2023 8:45 AM

Strangling Mr Putin’s pretty, white balloon. So sad yet apparently true. The fatal flaw lies in the human animal. Sheeple must bleed and wolves must rip them to bits. Same as it ever was…..

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an ice pick
That made his ears burn

Whatever happened to
Dear old Lenin?
The great Elmyra
And Sancho Panza?
Whatever happened to the heroes?
Whatever happened to the heroes?

Whatever happened to
All of the heroes?
All the Shakespearoes?
They watched their Rome burn
Whatever happened to the heroes?
Whatever happened to the heroes?

No more heroes any more
No more heroes any more

Whatever happened to
All of the heroes?
All the Shakespearoes?
They watched their Rome burn
Whatever happened to the heroes?
Whatever happened to the heroes?

No more heroes any more
No more heroes any more
No more heroes any more
No more heroes any more

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gfIgA-PYyQ&ab_channel=MadFranko008

Mother Russia…not the mother you might want after all.
https://edwardslavsquat.substack.com/

Mowgli
Mowgli
Aug 27, 2023 8:12 PM

Seems Guardian has become victims of propaganda too. Klaus has named Putin as a young global leader too, it’s all a Globalist trap. They love division, and people seem to love fighting with each other. God’s of war are smiling broadly. WEF and WHO are the only ones on the same team now. They have you all fooled, as usual.

Jill
Jill
Jun 26, 2023 5:03 PM

I’m so glad you wrote this. Russia has introduced draconian amendments to the WHO which will grant them unjust powers over all nations. This is exactly what the US has done as well.

If we are going to make it through what is here and what is coming, then we have to be completely honest and willing to look into everything. We cannot afford self lies. This is too important.

Ally
Ally
Jun 26, 2023 6:46 AM

I am pro-Russia and pro-China because I have experienced the evil western hand. No, can’t root for the West after they stole my family’s land in the former East Berlin (Prenzlauer Promenade 191). There is no way to address injustices in the West, unless you have lots and lots of money for years of court cases. If we are equally powerless in the West and in the East, then I am for the East. .

pepa65
pepa65
Sep 16, 2023 6:15 AM
Reply to  Ally

I think the point of this article that to be pro-East is not helping humanity or yourself. There is evil at the root.

Berlin Beerman
Berlin Beerman
Apr 2, 2024 8:09 PM
Reply to  Ally

It’s not that simple – well it should not be is what I mean. Soviets stole my land and future but we still did okay by risking escape over to the “west”. Now its probably time to return as we harper no ill against the Russians even though there is still a lost proportion that still think communism was better than what they have now – similarly there are those in the west that still think Russia is a society state that needs to be brought down.

Well neither mind is about to change anytime soon – the good news is that these citizens will soon die off and to be fair – good riddance. A would have hate and evil is not working in our best interests is it? A good purge may be whats required at this time.

The point is we might agree that we are pro East and so on now but history has a nasty habit of repeating. Especially when it’s all just one big cycle.

I prefer to be anti “evil” and my ‘evil’ comes in many forms and facets. Take zionists for example. A history of evil and manipulation – now it’s come to the forefront. Let’s see which nation decides to stand up and make the point here? I have had enough of the nazi misdirection theme. It’s time we moved on. These nazis are nothing but evil racists – much like the IOC, Congress, the UK parliament, The Canadian parliament and many many EU nations as well. If anything, events like this shake the tree and if your eyes and years are open you just might learn something very important.

Acorns
Acorns
Jun 23, 2023 7:14 PM

In this analysis, the most important thing is missing. Yes, indeed Russia has and faces the very same problems that are being addressed here but Russia is the only self reliant nation left with a true Christian Church, the few remaining others are Georgia, Romania, Serbia and Bulgaria, but all of these countries are de facto occupied by the adverse forces which are are anti Christian to the core

charles kint
charles kint
Aug 30, 2023 7:43 PM
Reply to  Acorns

Thanks for that
And didn’t Russia not release this 2000 page damming report on the pandemic and vaccines!
Sure they did

Pavol
Pavol
Sep 10, 2023 4:59 PM
Reply to  charles kint

No, they didn’t. If they did, then they would have to admit that they have been (and continue to be) in on the whole scam all along. The scamdemic is still going on in Russia, the jabs are still a thing in Russia, theyre still pushing them as the only effective way to prevent convid 1984. Damning report yeah right🫣

mariusmioc
mariusmioc
Jun 11, 2023 11:00 AM

It is a good article, with one exception: Russia is not fighting nazis in Ukraine. It is fighting against the Ukrainian people and against the desire of Ukraine to be independent of Russia.
While before WW2 the governement in Moscow started a genocide against Ukrainians, killing around 7 millions people through famine (holodomor) and also during the Soviet period relocated many Russians in Ukraine and supressed Ukrainian language, now it started a second genocide against Ukrainians.
Claiming that everybody which is against Russia’s interests is a nazi is an old tactic, used after the WW2 to impose communism (and Russian control) in the entire eastern Europe.
With this war Putin will not have to give explanation about the excess deaths which appeared after covid vaccination – those are hidden by was casualities.
Putin claimed that Ukrainians are part of Russian nation. When he invaded he made a speech with those claims. The Ukrainian resistance is showing he is wrong, but Putin being right would mean that he is killing his own people.

Acorns
Acorns
Jun 23, 2023 7:22 PM
Reply to  mariusmioc

More people died in Russia than in Ukraine during what you preferred to name politically holodomor. What this was genuinely about was to kill simple Christians in the name of the rising socialism. The same way the Armenian genocide is a term that deflects from what was actually about, as truly Armenians died mostly, but the ottomans driver and killed close to as
many other nationalities of Christian beliefs, Arab Christians , Greek Christians etc. this term is invented to obfuscate the true purpose of what was happening as with the holodomor

Ellie Kesselman
Ellie Kesselman
Jul 4, 2023 1:31 PM
Reply to  mariusmioc

Clearly, the main objective of Putin’s “Special Operation” is not to fight Nazis in Ukraine. It IS true that some areas of Donetsk and Luhansk (mostly dilapidated non-industrial areas in the latter) have lots of Russian language speakers. Also, a lot of the residents of those two areas (not the entire oblasts of course) have had social services and payments to elderly pensioners funded by Russia not Kiev for several years. I still believe that Zelensky and Putin could have worked things out between themselves without western or other interference.

Russia, Poland, Belarus, the Baltic nations, and Ukraine all have their nationalists and neo-Nazis. That the United States, UK, and NATO, with their self-righteousness about anti-racism, evils of white supremacy, and “never again” should be supporting and extravagantly funding weapons (“whatever it takes, whatever Ukraine needs, we’ll give them” said Joe Biden and almost ALL of the U.S. Senate) for a country for whom Stepan Bandera is a national hero NOW (not in 1940) and proudly upholds Azov and Svoboda as glorious brave fighters–despite Azov’s veneration of every Nazi symbol and tradition–is disgusting hypocrisy. I am American. I am Jewish. It makes me sick how ADL and the US Holocaust Museum and Bernard Henri-Levy will describe some American Jews who aren’t globalists as “Nazis” yet praise Azov!

Seriously, read this. I have a link with no paywall. It is beyond gross. A New Masada is Born in the Ukraine War with URL Putin Azov Brigade Judaism battle Israel by gross Henri-Levy who won the 2023 Daniel Pearl Award for Courage and Integrity in Journalism in May. He is described as right-wing but he says Marine Le Pen hates France. He is a neoliberal/neocon globalist horror.

THIS is Azov in all their glory, doing their little blood and soil thing. It is a brief video on Azov’s youtube channel, which Google has no problem with, and which has over 210,000 subscribers. Start at 1 minute 18 seconds for the full A3OB experience
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcYMOaw9MLc

There are black suns, SS symbols, swastikas, girls with blonde braids doing Roman salutes, wolfsangels, skinhead hair do’s, and some pagan ritual idk. That is one of hundreds examples of Nazi veneration that is tolerated and now championed in Ukraine by the western world yet plenty of Americans think former US president Donald Trump should be executed for racism and because he’s orange and they hate him. And that the Republican party are Nazis rather than Mr. Turtles (my name for the superannuated Mitch McConnell.)

Despite what Bernard Henri-Levy says, although Ukraine was occupied by Nazi Germany, there was no nation, whether an Axis ally or occupied as a foe, who was as enthusiastic about killing Jews. And Poles. And anyone who wasn’t Ukrainian enough.

Curmudgeon
Curmudgeon
Jul 13, 2023 8:00 PM
Reply to  mariusmioc

Russia is not fighting nazis in Ukraine. It is fighting against the Ukrainian people and against the desire of Ukraine to be independent of Russia.

Yes, and no.
Virtually every “journalist” throws around “Nazi” and “neo-Nazi” as if they actually had done some real research into the NSDAP, rather than follow the “agreed upon lies of the victor”. They automatically assume that collaboration requires that the parties collaborating are in lockstep on every issue, rather than uniting for a singular purpose. The Ukrainians fighting with the Germans during WWII were, indeed fighting to be independent of Russia, but also seeking payback. There is a long history of the Western Ukrainians almost irrational hatred of Russians, going back to its days as part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Armed conflict continued during the Russian civil war, post WWI (when it was handed on a platter to the USSR) and up to 1922, before the NSDAP was even formed. A minority of these people also hate Jews, Poles, and Hungarians. They wore SS uniforms with “symbols” of their own choosing, as did hundreds of thousands of other volunteers from across Europe, in order to comply with the Rules of War – all combatants must be uniformed. Those not in uniform, and those aiding and abetting them, were spies who could be summarily executed. That’s right folks, the “partisans”, “free armies” and “underground” along with those aiding and abetting, were all spies, who could be summarily executed under the Treaty of Westphalia. The “atrocity” narrative is primarily based on execution of spies. That doesn’t mean atrocities didn’t happen, they did – by all parties in the war.
In the current conflict, had the nut-jobs trained by NATO in Poland to run the 2014 coup (that’s another story), lived up to the Minsk Accords, there would be no war. Russia doesn’t want to control Ukraine, no one, except the bankers want to control Ukraine. Russia is now seeking the return of territories of the Russian Empire joined to Ukraine in the 20th century by the USSR. Without the US run coup, there would e no conflict, as Ukraine would have been neutral and benefited, like Austria has.

charles kint
charles kint
Aug 30, 2023 8:01 PM
Reply to  mariusmioc

only partly true
the famine tragedy under Stalin ( this man totally denouced by nowadays Russia ) took also millions of lives in the former Soviet union, to maintain a war over this is the cowardly reasoning to plunder and cut up Russia!
Using a real Nazi enemy known for horrendous attrocaties during the 2nd WW that cost Russia 27 million lives, is outrageous!

Bubba Rogowski
Bubba Rogowski
May 29, 2023 7:10 AM

The satanic cult that rules the world by Israel national radio
Dr. Rabbi Marvin Antelman (& others) author of “To Eliminate the Opiate, volumes I and II” about the satanic cult that rules the world and that wants to kill you!

https://archive.org/details/TheSatanicCultThatRulesTheWorld

Paul Vekay
Paul Vekay
May 23, 2023 3:45 AM

You know, I agree to a certain point. We live in a Gramscian world. Putin is a Lula liberal globalist but who still wont allow Nato in Ukraine

Simon
Simon
May 23, 2023 3:16 PM
Reply to  Paul Vekay

I thought NATO already was in Ukraine. I thought there were NATO soldiers basically nipping at his arse. But what the hell do I know, the story keeps changing

Ellie Kesselman
Ellie Kesselman
Jul 4, 2023 1:44 PM
Reply to  Simon

You’re right. NATO is in Ukraine, doing what you said. Don’t know why they need to be there, as Putin and Zelensky were close to working something out between themselves, without interference from outsiders, about a year ago. NAFO shiba inus have been saying that Russia is on the verge of collapse every day for 18 months now. If the US and NATO keep nipping at Putin, I fear he will use a tactical nuke on Ukraine. All nukes are strategic… there’s no such thing as limited, restrained nuclear war. No one seems worried about it though.

I think we’re in Gramscian world like Paul said, i.e. that our trusted organizations, society, faith, and touchstones have been slowly undermined in the style of that long march through the institutions. I am told the neo-Menshiviks are responsible. Unsure who they are, or who is behind the descent but it is sinister and depressing.

Victor G.
Victor G.
May 22, 2023 7:32 PM

I trust I’ll be allowed to indulge in a bit of metaphor …
The author convincingly argues that all dogs are dogs. Chihuahua, Border Collie, Great Dane … one must not be distracted by the vagaries of breed. Sooner or later, dog nature is bound to emerge.
That said, in this specific dogfight the smart money clearly discerns the better dog. (Hint, it’s not the Great Dane.)
After the fight is over, who knows? Jack London believed that, given the right circumstances, even a terrifying dog can express the best characteristics of its nature and be a good dog.

Phylum Chordata
Phylum Chordata
May 22, 2023 9:38 PM
Reply to  Victor G.

Better analogy – if both dogs in the fight have rabies, whichever one wins we will still have the same problem – a rabid dog that wants to bite us.

Likewise, if both sides are psychopathically evil enough to tell these monstrous lies and coldbloodedly kill innocent people, what will it signify whichever side “wins”?

Either way we get the same Agenda 2030 15-minute cities, bug-eating, owning nothing future. Does alleged different attitudes to trans issues or whatever really make much difference inside this nightmare?

I am quite genuinely asking this question

Val K
Val K
Jun 30, 2023 8:56 PM

If Rabies exists or not (if it’s another covid – 19 “virus” from the past) that is not a natural state of dogs…, if these analogies showed up. I’m not saying I agree with them.

Norma Jean
Norma Jean
May 22, 2023 12:17 PM

“We were never funded to hold certain opinions, in fact we have never been funded by any benefactors or donors beyond the minuscule percentage of our readers (less than 0.05%) who are generous enough to send us a few tips in return for our free output. We struggle to survive in fact

Please don’t go under. I used to be a Patron before they banned you. Is there no way to get more of your readers to “pay” for your content?

thinking-turtle
thinking-turtle
May 22, 2023 5:51 PM
Reply to  Norma Jean

There’s a support section right above the comments. You can support using Ko-fi, Subscribestar, Bitcoin, Liberapay or direct bank transfer.

Jez Graham
Jez Graham
May 22, 2023 10:48 AM

Printed this for my mom and dad to read this morning.

They got to the first par and said “oh this is pro-Russia propaganda”.

I said, “no, keep reading”.

They got to the ninth par and said “oh this is anti-vax propaganda”.

I said, “no, keep reading”.

They got to the end and said “I don’t understand the author’s point, whose side is she on?”

I said, “neither, that’s her point”.

They just looked at me blankly.

My folks are not stupid. They were both teachers until they retired in their early sixties a couple years ago.

Kenny
Kenny
Jul 1, 2023 2:28 AM
Reply to  Jez Graham

They are – as best they can be given that everyone has their biases – on the side of truth, in the hopes it leads out of the dystopian future that globalists have planned for us all. In the past, yes they have been slanted towards Putin, despite the totalitarian hold he has on his country. And yes, they swallowed Putin’s ‘Ukraine Nazi’ propaganda like they were on his payroll. But the recognition that Russia also towed the globalist line in using the covid fear porn to poison and torture its population just like the rest of the globalist world did is no small admission. Is the Russia-Ukraine war simply theatre for the masses? A diversion from the real issues of the day? Maybe something a good journalist would look into.

Brianborou
Brianborou
May 22, 2023 8:38 AM

“ There is, however, another form of knowing that is vastly underrated; it is historical, a knowledge of history that illuminates the present. I mentioned the Nauset people who lived on Cape Cod when the Pilgrims first temporarily dropped anchor in what is now called Provincetown Harbor. The Nauset people’s story, like those of the other native people’s across the United States, is tied to the U.S. history of empire in significant ways.

This country was conceived in the blood of all the original free peoples who lived here for eons. They were massacred to make way for the white technologists who sent their iron horses west as they slaughtered the horse riding natives – including the Pueblo, Pawnee, Comanche and Lakota nations – and other natives who went by shanks mare.

This history is crucial knowledge, for without it one cannot grasp the demonic nature of today’s U.S. wars throughout the world. The history has always been demonic. Nemesis is surely watching now, for what began in the blood of others, has a tendency to blow back on those who first unleashed the fire. Those of us alive today might not have started the fire, but if we don’t know and recognize its long-term spiritual effects, we can’t understand today’s U.S. provoked war against Russia via Ukraine or much else. “

Edward Curtin

The importance of understanding history!

Paul Vekay
Paul Vekay
May 23, 2023 3:56 AM
Reply to  Brianborou

I still think quotes like that miss the mark. It is about the ideology of imperialism. That is what runs the Anglo axis. They started WW1 and 2. They are the dictators of the world. As sub human and evil as ever. How else do you explain the bloody outburst that is Ukraine. And they are trying even harder now to start the war in Taiwan. They think they will end up on top once the blood stops flowing again. The UK tested nukes on its own soldiers. They dont care about anyone. Not even themselves

Vedex
Vedex
May 25, 2023 8:16 AM
Reply to  Brianborou

The importance of understanding history!
now he is shilling RFK jr.
way to go.

Diva
Diva
May 22, 2023 6:50 AM

Looking forward to Catte’s thoughts on the war. I was shocked at the backflip most alt media did as soon as the fighting broke out.

They just forgot the shocking fact Russia is revealed as co-conspirator with the West in the most evil agenda since the Nazis began the Final Solution?

I was shocked how so-called covid skeptics such as Patrick Heningsen were all at once best buds again with covid shills such as the Duran.

I’ve heard people I previously respected and donated to tell outright lies about Russia and covid, the WEF et al.

I have heard a certain person say Russia has given up all its covid measures: absolute LIE.

I have heard the same person say Russia is anti-WEF and anti-CBDC: absolute LIE, and in this case they said the same about Erdogan. And the person interviewing them only repeated the lie. I was so shocked as I have previously admired this person.

Are these alt media just stupid, just useful idiots they have this amnesia about what Russia is doing to its own people?

Placental Mammal
Placental Mammal
May 22, 2023 2:53 AM

So What Do We Want ?

We have a nine year old situation in Ukraine triggered by the 2014 coup. We are all aware that Russia was forced like every other country on Earth to go along with convid and other dystopian dictates. These dictates emanated from the world government with the central banking cartel in charge. A few leaders like Magufuli of Tanzania resisted. Magufuli and a couple of others paid the ultimate price for this resistance. The coup in Ukraine was perpetrated by agents of the world government, the very entity that inflicted convid on the people of the planet. Putin reacted after several years to the coup probably because of the butchery of the Russian minority in the East of Ukraine. What his motives were in waiting so long are unclear. Fear of the enormously powerful forces arrayed against him were certainly a factor. The reaction of the banksters to this intervention are amazing and suggest that the conquest of Russia and the creation of a new entity in what has been Ukraine are the plan.

At this point the owners of this site should clarify their stand and state their expectations and estimates of how things will develop. We do have numerous precedents in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria and elsewhere. Is this site in favour of a Zelensky victory ?
Is it in favour of NATO overrunning Russia ?

Diva
Diva
May 22, 2023 7:01 AM

We are all aware that Russia was forced like every other country on Earth to go along with convid and other dystopian dictates

What on earth do you mean ‘forced’? Forced by whom and how? So, Russia is both at war with this world government but also at the same time forced to do everything it says?

At this point the owners of this site should clarify their stand

Isn’t this article all about clarifying their stand? Don’t they clearly say that if Russia is really fighting Nazis in Ukraine then OffG supports them? Don’t they point up it’s stupid to think not being pro-Russia is the same as being pro-NATO? What is the point in responding to an article by demanding it does what it’s already done?

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
May 22, 2023 1:01 PM
Reply to  Diva

Forced by the central banking cartel of course. The question is ridiculous. Are you one of those who believe that the Seventh Day Adventists or the Wiradjuri rule the world ?

Phylum Chordata
Phylum Chordata
May 22, 2023 9:43 PM

How was this force applied? If the Central Banking Cartel can force Putin to murder his own people with Sputnik V, why can’t they force him to not start a war?

Paul Vekay
Paul Vekay
May 23, 2023 4:05 AM

Countries all pick their battles. If Russia stood against Covid, it could have damaged its relations with China and opened up a wedge issue between Russia and China that the US could exploit. Russia likes to make friends in the world and show leadership. Shutting it out of Covid would have prevented it from a lot of diplomatic engagement. This is probably the reason why. Still a bad one but Id bet my savings that it was the reason. Russia was trying to signal that it was a good world citizen. They will go along with all globalist bs except for Nato in Ukraine. Putin is a Lula liberal globalist.

Will - Admin3
Admin
Will - Admin3
May 23, 2023 9:16 AM
Reply to  Paul Vekay

I suppose that makes lying, poisoning and manipulating their people… Better?

Because they “didn’t want to upset China?”

Does that not imply that the Russian Government is as completely morally and ethically corrupt as the West?

Herbert Hawkins
Herbert Hawkins
Jul 3, 2023 6:37 PM
Reply to  Diva

“Well of course we can extend your Special Drawing Rights (overdraft) to see your nation through this economic rough patch, but we insist that you must implement the recommended pandemic guidance, to ensure the future prosperity of your nation”

World Bank
March 2020

Tesco Shopping Trolley
Tesco Shopping Trolley
May 21, 2023 8:09 PM

Breath of fresh air this article. Made my Sunday. Catte rules

Placental Mammal
Placental Mammal
May 22, 2023 12:07 AM

Shut up. There are more cheerleaders in this audience than are required.

October
October
May 22, 2023 9:00 AM

Considering the quality of the stuff you’re putting out, it’s a bit rich of you to ask others to shut up.

Tesco Shopping Trolley
Tesco Shopping Trolley
May 22, 2023 11:27 AM

Who rattled your cage pal? Are you pissed off that people aren’t buying your bullshit?

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
May 22, 2023 1:03 PM

I am actually pissed off that some people are pretending to buy the bovine excreta that you and your allies are pumping out.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 22, 2023 12:13 PM

Gosh. Whatever drives all this relentless negativity below the line, I think it’s entirely self defeating. I know the world has done nothing but break our hearts, but let’s dare to love again Let’s dare to be NICE.  🙂 

SissyY
SissyY
May 21, 2023 7:38 PM

So much reframing and misdirection going on in comments.

People keep talking about Russia being “secretly” onside with the Great Reset, but it’s not at all secret!

1- Russia openly supports the WEF

2 – Russia jumps to the WHO’s bidding.

3 – Russia supports climate change legislation

4 – Russia openly supports Agenda 2030

5 – Russia is bringing in its own CBDC

These are facts not theories.

Vagabard
Vagabard
May 21, 2023 8:30 PM
Reply to  SissyY

‘1’ is, I believe, questionable. Did not Mr. Schwab and Mr. Putin have a big fall out recently? Mr. Putin not getting an invite to the WEF party.

Mr. Putin not taking all stakeholders into consideration, perhaps. He needs to ask the WEF’s permission the next time he starts a SMO

Diva
Diva
May 22, 2023 7:11 AM
Reply to  Vagabard

Look at what they do not what they say.

Putin sells himself to his own patriots and to Western dissidents as a nationalist who is a maverick outsider and not a friend of the WEF, world bank et al. But this is like a fox sneaking up on a hen house while saying “I’m not a fox, and I would never eat a hen”.

Only stupid chickens would listen to his words and not respond to his actions.

Putin’s actions speak for themselves. He has reversed many of his early efforts to save Russia from destruction. He has allowed the neolibs to despoil Russia’s wealth and the standard of living and population are now falling.

Most heinous he has coerced his own people to take a toxic jab for a sickness that does not exist.

Tesco Shopping Trolley
Tesco Shopping Trolley
May 22, 2023 11:46 AM
Reply to  Vagabard

March 25 2023, Putin and Xi came out with this

The Russian Side positively assesses the Global Development Initiative and will continue to participate in the work of the Group of Friends in support of it. The Parties will continue to encourage the international community to focus on development issues and increase their contribution to it, will jointly contribute to the success of the UN Summit on Sustainable Development Goals, ensuring the early implementation of the UN 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development.”

They’re spelling it out for you bro. Like with covid.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
May 22, 2023 5:00 PM

Hello Tesco Shopping Trolley: Gotta laugh at the alleged join of China with any notion of Sustainable Development. Chinese civilians are the worlds greatest pig-pen examples of willful industrial filth and resource abuse. What tosh…

Vagabard
Vagabard
May 21, 2023 7:28 PM

Marginally OT:

Bakhmut has fallen. Now a heap of rubble. Long live Artemovsk! May it rise from the ashes! (it certainly needs to).

Quo vadis?

All roads lead to Rome via Kiev. To a ‘new world order’ (using the more literal sense of the phrase).

Q. But are all ‘new world orders’ created equal?
A: Unlikely. People have different visions of universalism. Or ‘globalism’ if you prefer.

Q. And who would make the better world saviour. The jet-setting Zelensky, who even appears at the Arab League en route to the G7 (Ukraine being made an honorary Arab State for the day). Or the more practically-orientated Putin for the people of the Donbass?

A: Neither. There is only one world Saviour. Though people can make smaller-scale contributions to making the world a better place

Vagabard
Vagabard
May 21, 2023 11:32 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

A more detailed explanation for the focus on Bakhmut in recent months:

” … In Bakhmut, we grinded the Ukrainian forces, hence the name – ‘Bakhmut meat grinder,’”

https://www.rt.com/russia/576632-artemovsk-bakhmut-battle/

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
May 21, 2023 4:49 PM

This OffGuardian article partly explains the controlled chaos that’s been initiated by the cloak and dagger + = – matrix the “experts” have foisted on the consumer public. How many experts can you fit on the head of a pin? 7.5 Billion?

I visit quite a few web pages in a weeks time. OffGuardian offers readers a well balanced view of the damaged world’s we are attempting to survive in… The comments section is well administered and comment policy is quite liberal.

Complainers complain because they’ve been trained to complain about issues that are often completely off topic. Propaganda technique wins more intelligence wars than any other factor…

Sam I am
Sam I am
May 21, 2023 3:00 PM

It is all about the Great Reset
so who cares about war crimes any more?

Ukraine publicly admits to war crimes; White House silent, legacy media silent.

Actually, legacy media spins it as a good thing.

Remember how Obama labeled any male of military age that died
in the vicinity of a US air strike a “Terrorist”? Didn’t matter if it was collateral
damage they were a “Terrorist” unless posthumously proven otherwise.

“Terrorist”, “Terrorist”, “Terrorist”.
Now the new terrorist is Russian Propagandist.
Just say “Russian Propagandist” and the Times of London will spin a war crime
into a good thing.

Headline at Times of London:
Ukraine assassinated Russian propagandists, admits intelligence chief
subtext: String of bomb attacks on pro-war figures tied to Kremlin

You can read a different take on it from alt-media:

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-admits-murdering-quite-few-russian-civilians-who-back-putin-and-his-invasion

Sam I am
Sam I am
May 21, 2023 5:41 PM
Reply to  Sam I am

Here is how Newsweek rationalizes in their summary paragraph support for war crimes (though Newsweek never ever uses the term war crime).

When asked about Budanov’s comments, Jason Jay Smart—a political adviser on post-Soviet and international politics—described the role propagandists can play during times of war.

“The Nuremberg Trials found Julius Streicher, a propagandist, guilty for having driven the German population to wage war,” Smart told Newsweek. “Russian propagandists today play a critical role in advancing the Kremlin’s narrative across the nation. Removing these vocal supporters of genocide would be a positive for both Ukraine and, ultimately, Russia.”

See what Mr Smart did there? Just say “genocide” and you can rationalize committing any war crime. Perhaps Mr Smart is likening the Nuremberg Trials to the assassination of civilians.

SissyY
SissyY
May 21, 2023 7:41 PM
Reply to  Sam I am

You have it arse over tit. The “war crimes” and nuclear war panics and the whole bloody binary goodie/baddie thing has made everyone forget about the Great Reset, as was probs intended

Victor G.
Victor G.
May 22, 2023 2:04 PM
Reply to  SissyY

“Everyone”? Not me. And I am far from unique.

Trewpol
Trewpol
May 21, 2023 11:21 AM

Always look forward to a Catte article – on point all of the time.

From what I saw in 2022:
January 2022 – Biden, Putin and the rest of the gang all in lockstep re Vaxx Passports etc… but the whole Morona psyop running out of juice.

Feb 2022 – Nordstream almost ready to supply Western Europe with Gas and Oil; Putin then randomly starts “special op” in Ukraine. Zelenskyy is beamed across the world in place of the red virus pic. Biden and the rest of the gang declare Putin Public Enemy No 1 in place of Morona.

Mar 2022 – energy prices through the roof, the status quo of Jan 2022 and before erased by both the Lamestream and most Alts. All we know now is Putin is a danger to humanity and we must tighten our belts and put up with the “short term” pain of extortionate fuel and food prices to defeat the nasty Nazi Putin “we are all in this together!”.

The stage is set – their reliable media shills have created the new reality: “The reason why energy and food prices are so high is because Climate Change (just ignore what went on between the months of Nov 2021 to Feb 2022 you flipping paranoid conspiracy theorist!!!)”

These “people” are enemies of humanity and they’re all in it together.

Iain Davis
Iain Davis
May 21, 2023 10:55 AM

Great stuff. Thanks

Thom Sheaffer
Thom Sheaffer
May 21, 2023 9:10 AM

Why are you confusing me? I’m pretty interested in Ukraine war news so I regularly keep up with Scott Ritter, Colonel MacGregor, Brian Berletic, UKC, The Duran, Patrick Henningsen, and quite a few others whom you are all probably familiar with. Most, probably all, report how Putin is a straight shooter, Russia is winning the war and how the war began years before the Russian invasion, and how it is the US and co. egging on this whole mess, etc. All those pundits all seem to me like honest news brokers and somehow never report how Russia is involved in the Great Reset, etc. Ritter himself is in Russia now and reporting back on things and there is no mention of any corona protocols and in photos no one is masked.

charles kint
charles kint
May 21, 2023 4:31 PM
Reply to  Thom Sheaffer

Hey Thom
I agree with what you wrote ,surely I have heard the opinion that Russia is secretly in bed with the new world order
However,what Cate does not mention is the fact that Russia wants a multi polar world, independent nations, and is also contemplating getting out of the WHO

After the wall came down Russia has made every effort to be a “player”, but the neocons have decided differenty they simply can NOT BE TRUSTED

Diva
Diva
May 22, 2023 10:12 AM
Reply to  charles kint

As I understand it the multipolar world is being pushed by the WEF as a part of the GR. They are done with the US and are trying to break us apart while they build up China as the new center of their power.

I see this as being because China already has the social system they want to impose on the rest of us. The West has a lot of bad stuff but it also has a huge tradition of freedom, and they have to break our attachment to that before we can become like China.

So as I see it the plan is to destroy Western economies, break us apart with civil war and shortages so people are so broken they will just let go their freedoms and welcome the China system because they need food and shelter and security.

Russia’s population is getting the same treatment, aiming to bring them also inline with China, but more complicated because I think Russia will be the new financial center. Their people will still be enslaved to social credit though, like the rest of us.

Victor G.
Victor G.
May 22, 2023 2:20 PM
Reply to  Diva

“The West has … a huge tradition of freedom … ” Did you really write that because it’s what you believe? You gave away your game, sport.

Phylum Chordata
Phylum Chordata
May 22, 2023 10:13 PM
Reply to  Victor G.

You don’t have to trash every aspect of the West just because of their huge crimes. The British empire was evil. The US empire is evil. But that doesn’t change the fact the West has had higher degrees of personal freedom over the past two or three centuries than the people of Russia or China were allowed to enjoy. We had good laws governing free speech and limiting government power. We’re seeing them all rolled back these days but it’s still a fact.

Paul Vekay
Paul Vekay
May 23, 2023 4:19 AM
Reply to  charles kint

Exactly. Russia had its own world and then after 1991, tried to be a “player”. We all know Putin even asked about joining Nato. This is why Putin went along with Covid. Its not some conspiracy. Did Putin or the top leadership know it was some scam built by the US and China ? I doubt it. Russia is irrelevant anyway, if the US and China are collaborating on globalist insanity. We are screwed whether Russia abstains or not.

Diva
Diva
May 22, 2023 9:59 AM
Reply to  Thom Sheaffer

I look at TASS and other Russia mainstream media. You could do that too if you really want to know what’s going on there from their own mouths.

They are always reporting new covid laws in this or that region, or new actions Putin is taking against the variants. They had a big thing about Arturus recently. They just banned ordinary people celebrating the ww2 victory with pictures of their folks who fought in the war, and that was on account of covid and also on account of the so-called war.

I would say Russia is as bad on covid as our worst states. Comparison with CA comes to mind. They have certainly not exposed the lie or stopped pushing it.

I have seen people in the alt media saying they have but it’s a lie, easily disproved.

Brianborou
Brianborou
May 21, 2023 8:24 AM
Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 21, 2023 11:46 AM
Reply to  Brianborou

This reads like pro-Russian propaganda, complete with Putin fanboy photo at the top.

The tone feels like football pundits creating buzz around a game. It certainly isn’t the heavy dose of realism I was expecting from the tone of your comment.

If anything I’d say it further ties into the air of unreality surrounding it all.

Is it just me? Maybe I’m missing something. Who is Simplicius? Struggling to find much detail about where this analysis is coming from.

dark side
dark side
May 21, 2023 11:53 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Like OG non analysis is so much better. If you want to comment rather than moderate for offensive or abusive language, why don’t you do so as a normal user?

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 21, 2023 12:19 PM
Reply to  dark side

It’s fine to challenge us, you’re welcome to in fact, however let me to fill you in on my job description. Whereas ‘seen but not heard’ admins might suit some sites and commenters, Offg policy is for admin to engage, challenge, question and even spar as necessary. It keeps debate fresh. It quickly unveils a troll without necessarily needing to remove comments, and it’s served Offg well up till now. We have one of the busiest, most energetic, most rambunctious and yet most tolerant comment forums in alt. media. This stems directly from our policy to engage with our commenters.

If you don’t like our formula you can obviously comment somewhere else if you prefer. I’d also like to remind everyone, the comments are what we make of them. If you appreciate the forum please don’t be shy to balance out the critics. Too much negativity really affects the quality of communication btl and no one benefits from that, except perhaps Offg’s detractors. A2

Seansaighdeor
Seansaighdeor
May 21, 2023 1:07 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Offg policy is for admin to engage, challenge, question and even spar..‘ – which would be fine if that is what you actually did as opposed to deleting comments and threatening commenters who may challenge this form of ‘active’ moderation one you seem to be employing more and more.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 21, 2023 3:45 PM
Reply to  Seansaighdeor

Oh dear, the negative nellies have descended, who enjoy the free resource we provide and yet seethe through their teeth at us every opportunity they get.

If your arguments are strong what need you fear from a bit of healthy challenge?

Seansaighdeor
Seansaighdeor
May 21, 2023 4:44 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

You need to apply that critique to yourselves.

You didn’t allow any ‘argument’ you deleted views which challenged your narrative threatening further posts be treated the same, at the same time patronising commenters.

That isn’t debate its censorship and reflects a need to control any narrative which may differ from your own. The opposite of what I think most people would come here for.

And pointing out facts isn’t ‘negative‘ Sam – its simply stating what happened – albeit I accept that it was Sophie who made the remarks.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 21, 2023 5:22 PM
Reply to  Seansaighdeor

hmmm. No one dictates how this forum is run. Not you. Not paid pros who don’t engage in proper discussion who endlessly scattergun pro-Russian soundbites. Not bigots . Admin try our best to allow a fair hearing for all points, if expressed respectfully.

If you have problems then express them in a constructive way. No one is forcing you to be here if it’s so horrible.

Frankly admin does a great job in an imperfect situation, which would be made all the easier if we received more support btl. No one deserves the sort of constant abuse and contempt that admin are routinely subjected to, yet the team continues to try their best whether you appreciate it or not.

A2

Seansaighdeor
Seansaighdeor
May 21, 2023 6:08 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

No one I can see beyond yourselves is trying to ‘dictate how this forum is run’ certainly not myself.

You appear not to understand that its not possible to ‘express in a constructive way‘ arguments when you are deliberately deleting them, threatening those who make them project reasonable points which is what I did.

I appreciate in a public forum that will be necessary in some cases but nothing I’ve posted certainly not in that ‘debate’ warranted that response.

The tag line above says ‘Because facts really should be sacred‘ which seems a reasonable argument for being here.

Deleting ‘facts’ therefore is by implication both unreasonable and contradictory undermining your own stated ethos.

But as stated earlier it is your platform and if you don’t in fact value facts as ‘sacred’ then I would agree there is little point here in trying to make them.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 21, 2023 7:04 PM
Reply to  Seansaighdeor

I don’t know what you’re talking about, really. A comment of yours went missing? What are you trying to achieve, though? If admin were really as bad as you’re saying do you think you’d get very far venting at us in this way? So, perhaps you don’t think we’re that bad after all.

Why not flag up your problem nicely?

People get pulled up by admin for posting off topic, and arguing from authority/assertion without linking to sources, or posting blatantly biased sources, or being hateful and abusive. Sometimes we get a wave of trolls trying to bully through an agenda. Sometimes ordinary commenters get caught up in these skirmishes, but you can always talk to us like humans if you have a problem, ya know?

The admin team are routinely criticised and attacked. I think the trolls like that a lot. It destroys spontaneity and communication.

But the comments are what we make of them. If people value this free resource perhaps they should come on here and spread love.

Can you cut out the sourceless accusations and be polite if you want to continue talking, thanks. A2

Tesco Shopping Trolley
Tesco Shopping Trolley
May 21, 2023 8:14 PM
Reply to  Seansaighdeor

You didn’t allow any ‘argument’

Says a bloke who does literally nothing but turn up and ‘argue’ with the admins 🤣. You need an irony transfusion pal.

James Robertson
James Robertson
May 21, 2023 1:27 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

All I ever see them doing is forbid debate of non-approved topics.
The idea that someone is needed to step in and promote debate is ludicrous.
If you imagine that is what you are doing, and that you have performed a helpful role, you are delusional.
Without any malice they are far and away the worst thing about this website. If that is the policy, it is wildly misconceived. Just awful.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 21, 2023 3:57 PM

Simply not true I’m afraid, we are far more tolerant on a far wider range of topics than anywhere else, and the comment traffic we get here speaks for itself.

There are an awful lot of pros here pushing agendas, who are very quick to jump in with put downs. It’s a bit of a war zone and there isn’t a perfect solution. You run your own forum different if you like, that’s fine.

This place is what we make it. As I say. If no one really values the forum then it becomes an increasingly unsatisfying place to post. Rather than just complain and perpetuate the process, we could try to change the script and spread some positivity in a mature and constructive way.

You’d be wading through mindless spam and flat earth stuff from people with monikers like ‘I Hate Niggarz’ if we weren’t around. Perhaps you’d all prefer wasting your words in that intelligence vacuum. Perhaos you’ll get your wish one day 😉

Until then you’re stuck with us, soz

Brianborou
Brianborou
May 21, 2023 12:04 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Hmm, if you read it throughly, you might have discovered that the Ukrainians have lost approximately 60,000 kIA over the 10 month battle for Bakhmut. You might also have noticed the utter devastation of it which should give a good indication of how ferociously the US/ U.K./ NATO City of London controlled Ukrainian Nazi regime fought to defend it.

Just as a matter of comparison during the time the US was in Vietnam war, about 8 years, they lost about 50,000 soldiers or during the whole of WW2 the British Empire in a 7 year conflict lost approximately 300,000 servicemen.

I expect from the same sources that your man in Moscow get his !

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 21, 2023 12:27 PM
Reply to  Brianborou

Hmm content to one side, Waggaman acknowledges his sources rather better I think. Not a single link in on this page.

Ps. Are you also commenting as @dark side?

Brianborou
Brianborou
May 21, 2023 1:07 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Well, it would have been grand to read the content throughly first before trying to attack the messenger.

Your man in Moscow uses a lot of open sources does he not ?

Oh I see, it is the old MSM tactic !

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 21, 2023 3:30 PM
Reply to  Brianborou

Not a single source in your whole link.

ChilePepper
ChilePepper
May 21, 2023 8:00 PM
Reply to  Brianborou

I do not see the Off Guardian saying Bakhmut has not fallen or no war is happening. Wars can happen with ruling class of each agreeing bloodshed suits them and with no disagreement actual between them. This the point I believe is being made. 

I also would add the losses as you say are absurd and likely not accurate. It is crazy to say they lost more men in few months in this little war than in 8 years in Vietnam. That looks like a made up propaganda.

SissyY
SissyY
May 21, 2023 3:57 PM
Reply to  Brianborou

It’s Russia refusing to call it a war. Peskov was still saying it isn’t a war just a few days ago. It’s idiotic. That’s why OG are calling it a “not-war”.

Rutabaga
Rutabaga
May 21, 2023 12:47 AM

Imo the war is as fixed as a WWE wrestling match. It will last as long as they need it to and the ‘winner’ was decided before it began. But that’s just my 2 cents.

Crush Limbraw
Crush Limbraw
May 21, 2023 12:46 AM

Why can’t I edit my comment a before it’s finalized?

SissyY
SissyY
May 21, 2023 3:58 PM
Reply to  Crush Limbraw

Probably a conspiracy against you

NickM
NickM
May 21, 2023 7:50 PM
Reply to  Crush Limbraw

Click the little “chain” icon on the lower LHS to bring up “EDIT”. After editing, click “Save”.

Jax
Jax
May 20, 2023 10:54 PM

have you ever considered there are no countries, only human farms. the purpose of war is to kill peasants. its been a one world government for hundreds, if not thousands of years. russia and ukraine and usa and china and uk and zimbabwae are all the same thing. human farms, all owned by the same people. the human farmers…

everything else is a distraction to keep you from realizing that you and everyone you will ever know or meet is a slave.

like john lennons bolshhivek communist manifesto song “imagine” says

imagine there’s no countries
well that little commie got that bit right
there are no countries, except we don’t have to imagine

thinking-turtle
thinking-turtle
May 20, 2023 11:53 PM
Reply to  Jax

The new edition of the Andere Krant makes exactly this point:

Behind the armed struggle in Ukraine is a secret war for land. Ukrainian oligarchs are working with Western capitalists to gain ownership of as much agricultural land as possible. President Zelensky, by amending the law in 2020, enabled this trade in farmland at the insistence of the West against the will of the Ukrainian people.

This is according to the penetrating report War and Theft: The Takeover of Ukraine’s Agricultural Land by the independent progressive American think tank Oakland Institute that came out earlier this year. The Dutch media ignored it.

Ukraine, known as “the granary of Europe,” has 33 million hectares of agricultural land, as much as one-third of the total arable land in the EU. In Soviet times, agricultural land was state-owned. After the Soviet Union fell apart in 1991, some of the farmland was initially sold by the state to a select group of wealthy businessmen with great power, the oligarchs. In 2001, the government imposed a moratorium to prevent further land sales. Meanwhile, 28 percent of the arable land is in the hands of oligarchs and large corporations, with the rest in the hands of some 8 million independent farmers, some of whom rent their land to the large corporations.

After the Maidan revolution in 2014, when a Western-friendly government came to power, there was great pressure from the West to allow further privatization of farmland. Institutions such as the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development (EBRD), the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development (IBRD), the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) lent tens of billions to Ukraine, which is now the world’s third-largest debtor country after Argentina and Egypt. In doing so, Western lenders demanded that Kiev implement “land reforms.

For example, the EBRD, owned by the EU and 40 Western countries (including the Netherlands), provided 2 billion euros to Ukraine while urging the Kiev government to privatize farmland. The IBRD provided $200 million in 2019 after President Zelensky promised to lift the moratorium on farmland privatization. Two more loans totaling $700 million were added in 2020 and 2021.

The IMF also pushed for “land reform” starting in 2017. The IMF even organized a propaganda campaign in Ukraine to convince the population of the need for agricultural land privatization. Without success, massive protests took place in 2019 and 2020. Surveys showed that two-thirds of the population was against it. After the government did lift the moratorium on March 31, 2020, the IMF transferred an $8 billion loan to Kiev.

Zelensky’s reform has resulted in more and more land falling into the hands of oligarchs, Western agri-concerns and investors. The EBRD, the European Investment Bank (EIB), part of the EU, and the International Finance Corporation (IFC), part of the World Bank, alone have collectively provided $1.7 billion in loans to the six largest agricultural conglomerates, buying up agricultural land. By contrast, self-employed farmers in Ukraine have received only $5 million, according to the Oakland Institute. Many of them are currently fighting in the war against Russia, forcing them to rent or sell their land.

In addition to the 4.3 million acres now owned by large corporations, the Ukrainian state also owns, on paper, 7 million acres (more than 20 percent of the total). Five million of these have been “stolen,” Zelensky acknowledged in an October 2020 statement. It is unclear by whom, but presumably Ukrainian oligarchs are involved. Ukraine has long been known as one of the most corrupt countries in the world.

The sell-off of farmland is expected to gain momentum starting next year. Indeed, from January 2024, the regulations will be broadened. Protests, by the way, have not yet died down. In December 2022, a coalition of farmers, academics and NGOs called on the government to suspend farmland sales. This call was supported by the National Academy of Sciences, among others. “Thousands of rural boys and girls, farmers, are fighting and dying on the battlefield right now,” said Professor Olena Borodina of the National Academy of Sciences. “They are losing everything. This while the buying and selling of land is increasingly liberalized and advertised. This threatens the rights of Ukrainians to their own land, for which they give their lives.”

Ukrainian oligarch in Amsterdam

The first 9 of the top 10 largest agricultural landowners in Ukraine are all registered abroad, particularly in tax havens such as Luxembourg and Cyprus. Number 6 on the list, Astarta Holding, owned 41 percent by oligarch Viktor Ivanchyk, and 30.8 percent by Canadian investment fund Hamblin Watsa Investment, is registered in the Netherlands. The company, which has a turnover of more than 500 million euros, is based at Jan van Goyenkade 8 in Amsterdam, a simple residential building that is home to a large number of international groups. Among other things, Astarta is Ukraine’s largest sugar producer.

Poorest country in Europe

After the EU- and US-backed Maidan revolution in 2014, which brought a pro-Western government to power in Kiev, the country received a $17 billion loan from the IMF and $3.5 billion from the World Bank. In return, Kiev had to make drastic cuts. Pensions and salaries were cut, energy prices went up dramatically, inflation skyrocketed. By 2021, Ukraine was the poorest country in Europe with a gross national product of $4835 per capita. The percentage of people living below the poverty line rose from 28.6 percent in 2014 to 41.3 percent in 2019. The EU also demanded economic “reforms” (privatizations) as a condition of the Ukraine-EU Association Agreement that came into force in 2017. The Dutch people voted against that treaty in a referendum, but the government signed it anyway.

War and Theft: The Takeover of Ukraine’s Agricultural Land: dakl.nl/landjepik-ukraine

Victor G.
Victor G.
May 22, 2023 6:43 PM

Definitely communism …

pepa65
pepa65
Sep 16, 2023 12:32 PM
Reply to  Victor G.

More like corporatism / fascism I would say.

Rutabaga
Rutabaga
May 21, 2023 12:27 AM
Reply to  Jax

I started thinking that was a possibility in 2020. I’m hoping to be proved wrong

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
May 21, 2023 4:26 PM
Reply to  Jax

Hello Jax: Right on comment. The “new world order” is just an extension of old world chaos. The names may change, but the slaughter method hasn’t changed in 3500 years.

Victor G.
Victor G.
May 22, 2023 6:46 PM
Reply to  Jax

You sound like more of a “Helter Skelter” fan. An excellent song though very different from John Lennon’s masterpiece.
If I had to, I’d say John was more of an anarchist. But I gather you’re not interested in subtleties.
PS I’m not a slave. Sorry if you are. How can we help?

Sam I am
Sam I am
May 20, 2023 10:46 PM

Well that was interesting, but not surprising at all.

Try this for yourself.
Use these search terms:
covid scam

If you use Google or Bing or DuckDuckGo
you get as results exactly the authoritarian / totalitarian
results you would expect.

But Yandex
the search engine of a Russian company
gives results
close to what OffG would give were it a search engine company.

thinking-turtle
thinking-turtle
May 20, 2023 11:48 PM
Reply to  Sam I am

Indeed. The URL is https://yandex.ru. Curiously, Yandex was founded by an Israeli.

thinking-turtle
thinking-turtle
May 21, 2023 12:04 AM
Reply to  Sam I am

Indeed. The URL is https://yandex.ru. Curiously, Yandex was founded by an Israeli, and is headquartered in Amsterdam.

Rutabaga
Rutabaga
May 21, 2023 12:30 AM
Reply to  Sam I am

What do you see that as meaning? Russia is secretly opposed to the GR while playing along? I’d say that’s a big assumption to make on the back of a yandex search. Reminds me of the type of thing Q used to come out with about Trump .

p53Speaks
p53Speaks
May 21, 2023 2:52 AM
Reply to  Sam I am

Why won’t yandex open for me when I use Tor? I get the same prove ‘I am not a robot, Enter the code from the image’ over and over again. From Firefox, however, I can use yandex no problem (which does indeed, as you say, return more honest search results).

KiwiJoker
KiwiJoker
May 20, 2023 9:40 PM

This is a world of Illusion.
Once you comprehend this,
You will see it All for what it is.

rossgopicotrain
rossgopicotrain
May 20, 2023 8:40 PM

thx for censoring my piddly lil comment OFFG; it’s much appreciated!

RegretLeft
RegretLeft
May 20, 2023 8:06 PM

You are entirely correct – same agenda. But here is one Russian – Andrei Tsiganov – who realizes that and wants to change it. ” … why are we still pursuing a policy of joining the digital globalist gulag being built by the West?”

Read just the final paragraphs for that aspect. How coincidental! – This interview published just yesterday on a substack I suspect many OG readers follow.

https://roloslavskiy.substack.com/p/russias-elites-are-suffering-from

Jin_Tonic
Jin_Tonic
May 20, 2023 7:32 PM

Great article. ⭐ 
This part was a banger…

I mean that’s Propaganda 101 after all – if you want to quell dissent, divert attention from unpopular policies and rally faltering support – start a war.

Im pretty sure – House of Cards American TV Series said that line.
They even nearly started a war with Russia.

sherkying
sherkying
May 20, 2023 7:06 PM

So who is the good guys..? in this story.
It all cant all be bad…….

wardropper
wardropper
May 20, 2023 7:37 PM
Reply to  sherkying

Yes it can.
They’ve reached the bottom, yet they still keep digging downwards…

erik nielsen
erik nielsen
May 20, 2023 8:51 PM
Reply to  sherkying

Russia is doomed, there are YKW agents everywhere inside to pull the country down.

Remember Russia is the globalist leader of billionaires, and that 1/3 of Israeli population is Russian.
Alternative media are on food stamps. China is Britain’s new admired hero and hope. Washington is up running only by Liberal LGBTQ teams, and the sheep all over love it.

It is precisely that bad. All is bad bad bad.

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
May 21, 2023 6:06 AM
Reply to  erik nielsen

Erik you forgot our west media is light entertainmaint for former Forced Labour Camp personal.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
May 21, 2023 4:32 PM
Reply to  sherkying

Hello sherkying: Alas, there are very few “good” guys. Everyone’s talking through their pockets. Freedom and Justice [is] for All (who can afford it.)

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
May 20, 2023 5:19 PM

RE: It’s time for alt media to face this reality
Would you make this same statement about MSM media? No, of course not. “Alt media” is not in anyway monolithic, and I would argue that most alternative media is controlled by the same people as Mainstream Media (some witting, some not). However, honest alternative media has to live along side of that crap.

Maybe 15 years ago I was a regular listener of “alternative media” outlet Democracy Now!. But I am sure many of you know it is funded by the Ford Foundation (a long known CIA front) as are many other alt media sites in the US.

It was on the issue of Syria, that I stopped. They had “an expert” on to talk who DN! claimed was independent. But I did a cursory background check on the guy and he worked for a State Department-funded think tank. Democracy Now! who proclaimed every episode to be independent, was not. A lot of Alt Media is like that.

It would be interesting to see which “Alt Media” is criticizing Off-G…

eman
eman
May 20, 2023 5:45 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

Being alt media is not the same as being a media that refuses to support a world controlled and owned by the global corporations. Alt media supports the same political systems that spy on and regulate the behaviors of the masses. The collective Alts of the media have steadfastly refused to organize the masses, steadfastly refused to syndicate their factual pieces with each other, steadfastly refused to organize into real opposition to corporate owned and corporate controlled and regulated world. .. .. Alt media has refused to help organize the masses against the corrupted corporate owned incumbents. The masses have been left by all the media, main stream or alt, to fend for themselves. Just look at Palestine and the Israeli attempt to wipe out the Palestinians.. for evidence.. But I predict the Palestinians are likely to prevail as the Netanyou regime is about to fail
and I believe the people governed by these corporate owned political systems will soon prevail. The movement of mankind from Demography, Tyranny and corporate owned and controlled governments to Direct bottom up democracy is on the march, Few humans are going to allow the robots to take their jobs or substitute robotic technical capability for human mental capacity.

Off-guardian.org has been changing its mime from leader to follower.
Off-Guardian.org has become a giant supporter of the status quo. IMO..

Rutabaga
Rutabaga
May 21, 2023 12:49 AM
Reply to  eman

I’d be interested if you can name one part of the status quo OG is supporting

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 21, 2023 1:26 AM
Reply to  eman

While you’re entitled to your opinion @eman, I’d also be interested to know what parts of the status quo you think offg is supporting.

I also think alt media is, by its nature, unlikely to band together as you’d like.

I don’t think one massive, unified alt media is a viable way to counter the global propaganda monolith we’re up against. I think that would defeat to point,

I believe there is a growing desire within people to seek out and form their own opinions. People are increasingly tired of MSM propaganda and its monopoly on the ‘truth’. Small, indie news outlets, offering real choice of analysis to readers, is the only way to go. I feel.

Victor G.
Victor G.
May 22, 2023 6:52 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Hi, Sam. I, for one, appreciate OG’s candor across the boards. Could you please explain why Palestine/Palestinians never make it to the blog? Maybe you could contact Ramzy Baroud for a contribution?

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 22, 2023 8:54 PM
Reply to  Victor G.

I will pass it onto the editors. I fear Ramzy Baroud may be a little too into Covid to feel comfortable being published on these digital pages, although he’d be very welcome and I’m sure our readers would welcome him and enjoy quizzing him as keenly as they quiz offg and each other. That’s what makes this place quite special for me, the door is generally open to all, although not all choose to walk through. A2

Phylum Chordata
Phylum Chordata
May 22, 2023 10:17 PM
Reply to  Victor G.

Try the OG tag ‘Palestine’

https://off-guardian.org/category/palestine/

Looks like there’s a fair amount in it

Also search for ‘Gaza’, pulls up quite a bit
https://off-guardian.org/?s=Gaza&submit=Search

NickM
NickM
May 21, 2023 8:00 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

I find your info about Democracy Now interesting because I gave up after a couple of viewings; no bad vibes, just anodyne.

Diva
Diva
May 22, 2023 9:47 AM
Reply to  NickM

Democracy Now have been totally outed as gatekeepers since 9/11. Don’t see how you can say “no bad vibes” unless you either don’t read them hardly ever or you’re trying to promote them quietly as being better than they are.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
May 20, 2023 4:56 PM

I give Catte’s article a total thumbs up. I, as she, regard the Russian activity regarding the scamdemic and their forcing many Russians into taking their toxic injections, to be a total giveaway as to the real nature of the Putin regime and its leading oligarchs. Which is not to diminish the nauseating turpitude of the West. Calling their Sputnik V a “vector” vaccine is total bollocks, as its active ingredient is synthetic DNA which is even more insidious than mRNA.

A this point, I regard the whole confrontation between Russia and the NATO countries as kabuki theater, where the various leading psychopaths are all playing roles to reach a final resolution in act 5. Putin’s role, at least so far, is that of a somewhat soiled white hat. This is, of course, a roll as after he strips his make-up off after each performance, he is every bit the psychopath doing his part to lead the globe into its dystopian, technocratic future. I believe his primarily function is to accelerate the implosion of the West in general and the USA specifically, which despite its sordid past and present, the globalist cult still regard as potentially a threat to its agenda as its citizens wake up.

erik nielsen
erik nielsen
May 20, 2023 10:14 PM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

I came to that conclusion too.

Victor G.
Victor G.
May 22, 2023 6:55 PM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

You could have completed your thinking by including the future with the sordid past and present.
Whatever is really going on, the disappearance of the USofAs will be seen as a victory for humanity.

Ozzie Explorer
Ozzie Explorer
May 23, 2023 8:50 AM
Reply to  Victor G.

America is just a country full of people, like every other place in the world. Only difference is the ruling elite psychopaths have been using it as their base for the past century or two.

If America goes under and chaos takes over and a lot of innocent people lose their lives the elites will just move house to Russia or Asia, like they moved house from the UK to America. They will be fine and the system of exploitation will continue.

In fact it looks like that’s what’s going on right now. WEF is building up China and Russia to be the new center of global finance. The US is being torn apart and left to rot. You’re focusing on the wrong thing if you think that’s good news. Globalism coming out of Beijing or Moscow isn’t going to be any better than if it was coming out of Washington. Same blokes will be running it!

futurist
futurist
May 20, 2023 4:24 PM

Reset is the word to get you all hooked until 2027 when it becomes agenda 2050 and so on so forth. even archiax Jason Breshears fooled many with 2040.
I recall agenda 21 and the 2012 prophecy’s pre that is was 2000 melt downy that never happened.

If your life is consumed by an EMP attack, Epstein Island, Trump, WWIII or the latest Q drop……or what Russia NATO is up to, you’ve been successfully herded into a Psychological Operation. remix100ItsLevel ·

I’ve been down the beach nice day, now home and scoff like a beast and out again into the real world where none of this crap exists.

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el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
May 20, 2023 10:31 PM
Reply to  futurist

A great example of this is with the origin of SARS-CoV-2. Narrative – natural love child of a bat and a pangolin. Counter narrative – engineered and dispersed at the Wuhan lab. Truth – never existed and made up out of whole cloth.

Victor G.
Victor G.
May 22, 2023 6:57 PM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

Indeed. “Gain of Function” is just a catchy phrase that is used at shareholder meetings. The funny think is that investors buy it!

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
May 20, 2023 3:45 PM

The author is right, we need to remain vigilant and critical. However, i think it’s fair to mention that the Russian admin waited for 8 years for the Ukraine junta to stop killings civilians in the Donbass. They didn’t, so the Russian admin were invited by the people of the Donbass to help sort out their US/nato instigated murder problem.

As to the rest of the NWO scams and diktats, one can only speculate the reasons why the Russian admin chose to believe them. Maybe the Swab has also infected the Russian admin as he has everywhere else?.

SeamusPadraig
SeamusPadraig
May 20, 2023 4:50 PM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

It’s hard to imagine that by waiting eight years for Ukraine to rearm and for NATO to prepare the Russians have brought themselves any advantage in attacking last year. And if the shelling of the people of Donbass was intolerable in February of 2022, then why wasn’t it intolerable before? More mysteries, I guess …

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
May 20, 2023 5:54 PM
Reply to  SeamusPadraig

The Russian admin also prepared in that time. So, everyone prepared.

The attack on the people of Donbass was intolerable at any time, but if the Russian admin had assisted the people of Donbass 8 years ago, the western media would have had a field day. In any case i believe the Russian admin knew what was coming and used that time to complete their game changers and update equipment.

SeamusPadraig
SeamusPadraig
May 21, 2023 7:21 PM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

The attack on the people of Donbass was intolerable at any time, but if the Russian admin had assisted the people of Donbass 8 years ago, the western media would have had a field day.

And the Western Press aren’t ‘having a field day’ now? Anyway, is this about victory or is this about optics?

In any case i believe the Russian admin knew what was coming and used that time to complete their game changers and update equipment.

Yet we hardly ever see any of that cool new stuff being used in Ukraine. Where, for example, is their new Armata tank? Every time I see a piece of Russian armor in Ukraine, it’s always a T72 or even a T62 — old Soviet stuff — and even then, it’s usually being used by the Donbass rebels, not regular Russian forces.

This whole thing is just weird.

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
May 22, 2023 9:18 AM
Reply to  SeamusPadraig

The Kinzhals are being used, and just because there is no footage of Armata’s being used it doesn’t mean that they are not being used in Ukraine.

The Russian admin, maybe regard this military action in Ukraine as a local problem exacerbated by the US and nato. They are not going to field their best stuff and let the US and nato gather intel on them until they have to.

If the Russian admin went into the Donbass 8 years agao they would have been labeled as the aggressor, when in fact they are liberators of the Donbass people who didn’t want to serve under USadmin and nato rule. Putin would have lost a lot of support internationally. Today the Russian admins take their PR seriously.

Stella
Stella
May 20, 2023 3:01 PM

Very good analysis!

Sam I am
Sam I am
May 20, 2023 2:55 PM

Putin is part of the Great Reset
because Russians wore masks

Or

Putin enabled technocrats and bureaucrats
during the Covid Pandemic.

That is really it. That is all.
Putin delegated to the techno-rats.

The technocrats and bureaucrats followed the
line of least resistance.
First and foremost that meant protecting their own butts
by following “respected” authority –
the WHO (World Health Organization).

It isn’t complicated. It isn’t a smoking gun.
Just bureaucracy being the runaway train it always is.

Chicot
Chicot
May 21, 2023 11:55 AM
Reply to  Sam I am

So, is it only Putin who gets a free pass because he supposedly “enabled technocrats and bureaucrats during the Covid Pandemic” or can Western leaders use that Get Out Of Jail Free card as well? If not, why not?

NickM
NickM
May 21, 2023 8:35 PM
Reply to  Chicot

There is no “Get Out Of Jail Free card” for imposing a medical experiment on people. It is a crime under Nuremberg.

Paul Vekay
Paul Vekay
May 23, 2023 4:56 AM
Reply to  Chicot

No. He’s just explaining that it wasn’t a smoking gun for the grand conspiracy. And he’s right. The problem with Putin is that he isn’t a dictator.

Chicot
Chicot
May 20, 2023 2:46 PM

I think many would like to see a “saviour” come to our rescue and they hoped they’d found that in Putin. Many just can’t seem to let that hope go.

NickM
NickM
May 20, 2023 4:23 PM
Reply to  Chicot

“A saviour / Rarer than radium” — WH Auden

SeamusPadraig
SeamusPadraig
May 20, 2023 4:51 PM
Reply to  Chicot

Hooked on hopium.

Phylum Chordata
Phylum Chordata
May 20, 2023 1:05 PM

‘I mean that’s Propaganda 101 after all – if you want to quell dissent, divert attention from unpopular policies and rally faltering support – start a war. 
Sorry, I mean a “special military operation”.’

Perfect! Terrific article, thanks Catte.

Lynne Hepton
Lynne Hepton
May 20, 2023 12:32 PM

I’d like to see a discussion of what the hell is going on in this war they don’t want to call a war. There’s a hailstorm of propaganda from all sides, but what’s really happening?

You can’t help feeling it’s a big bloody distraction to make us forget all sides are shilling the same lies and murdering their populations. I wouldn’t be surprised because the stories seem to make no sense.

I can believe they would start a war and kill people just to distract us all. They don’t care about us. If they can kill us with the vax they can kill us in war games can’t they.

Mucho
Mucho
May 21, 2023 2:21 AM
Reply to  Lynne Hepton

Take a look at this and go through the links, saying that there will be a New Jerusalem in Ukraine. If you go through the info, it seems pretty solid and is very detailed. This is a description of the frontman of the project (a billionaire) from the link, where you will find hours of video of him discussing this relocation of Soviet Israel to Ukraine:

Igor Berkut fought the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan for the Soviets in the 80s, before running trans-national banks in Texas and Kazakhstan, and creating the MAGA-esque Great Ukraine political party. Why would a Soviet soldier also be a capitalist banker and a Ukrainian politician?

There is evidence that the wars in the Middle East were for the benefit of Soviet Israel, so you could say there is “form” here.

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
May 21, 2023 4:40 PM
Reply to  Lynne Hepton

Lynne
Luv. It’s a refocused buffer zone of destruction shaking migration with easy doubt.
A veteran described war to me once., as two Men wearing the same jackets walking in opposite directions each side of the street. In passing one shouts across what’s happening in >Ukraine<. T' other " oh! It's all screwed up".
They both mutter yea, how would he know blooming miles away from anything.
Guess where You are? Travelling on a double decker, clutching a thurpence bus ticket…..
You only need to worry when both are followed by thousands of other idiots.
"..dismiss blind demise oblivious….life goes on".
Peace in lifetimes.

Vagabard
Vagabard
May 21, 2023 6:16 PM
Reply to  Clive Williams

Great comment Clive. The fog of war. Suitably cryptic.

Worthy of the ‘Best Comment of the Day Award’, if there were such a thing:

When They Ask Us How Dangerous It Was

peter mcloughlin
peter mcloughlin
May 20, 2023 12:27 PM

We are indeed witnessing “a force of chaos and evil”, as the world plunges toward nuclear Armageddon. Rulers and elites delude themselves because they pursue the greatest delusion or all – power – being blind to the pattern of history.
https://patternofhistory.wordpress.com/

Lynne Hepton
Lynne Hepton
May 20, 2023 12:35 PM

That’s not what the article is about. I suppose you didn’t bother to read it. Personally I am getting so sick of all the nuclear war scare stories. It just feels like the covid stuff. I think they are just talking it up to keep everyone afraid so we don’t ask too many questions.

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
May 21, 2023 4:53 PM

Blimey! You nuke crumbs must be generational pisshead war mongering cash registers.
Darling, how are our stocks in thermonuclear doing…..check the City darling…last I heard its still there….

D'Artagnan
D'Artagnan
May 20, 2023 11:37 AM

This is a very objective article, but I wish it discussed more the war as there is no objective talk about this to be found anywhere, only “vive Poutine” or “vive OTAN”

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 20, 2023 1:24 PM
Reply to  D'Artagnan

Offg will be discussing this more very shortly. Thanks for the positive feedback. A2

SeamusPadraig
SeamusPadraig
May 20, 2023 5:07 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Yes, he’s right. This is probably the most important story of the moment. (Covid has shifted into low-gear, at least for now.) More coverage of this will definitely be appreciated.

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
May 20, 2023 10:50 AM

Gonzalo Lira

It is curious that the disappearance of Gonzalo Lira has not elicited a single mention on this site. The reason is obvious. This ugly episode demonstrates the contrast between the leniency extended to the site’s favourite shill Riley Waggaman in Russia with the kidnapping and possible liquidation of Lira in neocon Ukraine.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
May 20, 2023 4:14 PM

I found the increasingly pro-Russian slant of Lira to be essentially suicidal in regard to the increasingly mega fascist activities of the Kiev government. It would have appeared to me as a no brainer for him to have relocated, at least temporarily, from Kharkov further east, which is under the control of Kiev. I doubt this would have diminished the effectiveness of his gootube channel. I regarded his “disappearance” as inevitable. under these circumstances.

October
October
May 20, 2023 6:29 PM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

IIRC, he had been told to stay put after his last brush with the police. But yes, it was a bit surprising that he should criticize what he himself described as an authoritarian regime, what’s more during a war.

Victor G.
Victor G.
May 22, 2023 7:03 PM
Reply to  October

And even more surprising is that he had no objection at all to Augusto Pinochet. I guess some authoritarians are more nasty than others …

October
October
May 22, 2023 9:02 PM
Reply to  Victor G.

Indeed, he expressed his distaste for Allende and admiration for AP. Not that it has any bearing on his misfortunes.

SeamusPadraig
SeamusPadraig
May 20, 2023 5:10 PM

I thought Waggaman was now in Georgia. N’est-ce pas?

Sunface Jack
Sunface Jack
May 20, 2023 10:21 AM

Great article. And yes, trust no Government whole BRICS issue is a con. All of the BRICS nations are firmly onboard the WEF’s Fourth Industrial Revolution and the UN’s Agenda 2030—notably its SDGs.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
May 20, 2023 10:04 AM

‘You either like blondes or brunettes’ is something I’ve had told me many, many times.

It’s complete claptrap. I can be attracted to a woman of almost any hair colour and I’ve not made a detailed analysis of what I am attracted to, because it seems to be an holistic ‘that woman seems nice’ split-second initial reaction, rather than an AI formula.

It doesn’t mean I want a blonde to dye her hair dark or a brunette to apply some peroxide from time to time. It’s saying I’m not a formulaic box ticker.

‘You’re either pro GMO or puritanically organic’: another false binary.

If Keyline land ploughing makes soil more healthy, I’m pro big-farm-scale controlled tilling. What I’m not in favour of is deadening soil through endless fertilisers, glyphosate and poorly designed ploughing.

I’m all in favour of innovative organic farmers developing mechanised tools targeting the mid-sized farmer (1-20 hectares) if that means a higher availability of super-healthy vegetables. I’m interested in the health of the vegetables, less the technologies and approaches used to produce them per se.

NickM
NickM
May 20, 2023 4:35 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Agreed. The proof of the agricultural method is in the eating: nourish the soil as well as the crop.

SeamusPadraig
SeamusPadraig
May 20, 2023 5:12 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

I’ve never understood the hair-color thing myself. Don’t curves matter?

erik nielsen
erik nielsen
May 20, 2023 10:34 PM
Reply to  SeamusPadraig

No, only hair-colour. The fetish thing you know ;-).

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
May 21, 2023 8:23 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Right.

Ozzie Explorer
Ozzie Explorer
May 20, 2023 9:42 AM

Truth bomb mate, thanks.

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
May 20, 2023 11:00 AM
Reply to  Ozzie Explorer

I don’t believe you do your shilling for free.

James Robertson
James Robertson
May 20, 2023 3:37 PM

Because you don’t.

NickM
NickM
May 20, 2023 9:15 AM

“We were “pro-Russia” on issues such as Ukraine, the Odessa Massacre, MH17, Syria, the Panama Papers, the Skripals, the Russiagate lies, Luke Harding’s nonsense, the Guardian’s sometimes hilarious Russophobia, and much much more
because being “pro-Russia” at that time meant being pro-peace, pro-rule of law, pro-truth.
But we were never “pro-Russian” to the extent of picking a side or feeling any sense of loyalty that transcends our independent ethical judgement. We were never funded to hold certain opinions, in fact we have never been funded by any benefactors or donors beyond the minuscule percentage of our readers (less than 0.05%) who are generous enough to send us a few tips in return for our free output. We struggle to survive in fact. Can’t afford to pay our wonderful contributors, who never complain about that.”

It’s great to be reminded of OffG’s roll of honour.

Hats off!

futurist
futurist
May 20, 2023 8:39 AM

Your definitely ‘Pro ‘deflection about the U.K.

Your also not naming names in ‘alt media’ who is pro Russia.
However Catte your blog does shill (slightly) as it now endorsing RFK jr and
you never ever mention the the London city side of things iNfact for a U.K blog, you have hardly mentioned the U.K (Conservatives)
that is a clever trick PR, you lot all play. show France show Biden show Oz show new Zealand show Canada hardly mention any Conservative country’s.why is that.?

When was the Last time you did a U.K article and how Build back better was one of thee worse in the Western world YES the U.K is. since you lot have done the
shill for Russia
or anti Russia.
U.K lockdown country number 2 has gone Build Back Better on steroids and an agenda 30 wet dream.
show migrant hotel or bore us or use defection tactics like either Russia or not.

I bet you (the Russians) are better off then us in U.K or Europe where I am based.
show migrant hotels.

Btw you would probably earn more donations stream if your admin didn’t keep banning people that disagreed with them even long term members.
I am bore of visiting other sites / forums and hearing members in how they’ve all been banned by you.

Matt Black
Matt Black
May 20, 2023 8:21 AM

Use Duckduckgo to search ‘Group That Connects Trump and Putin’

SeamusPadraig
SeamusPadraig
May 20, 2023 5:17 PM
Reply to  Matt Black

You mustn’t mention that group, you Nazi!  😂 

Balkydj
Balkydj
May 21, 2023 9:19 AM
Reply to  SeamusPadraig

What ? Another song & dance ‘bad’ ?

ChaChaCha bad ? Really ?

Try The Twist… with I.T. (Ivanka)
Jared loves it…
Testing times,
Indeed.
Balky

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
May 20, 2023 5:55 PM
Reply to  Matt Black

Fuck FuckFuckHo.

Seansaighdeor
Seansaighdeor
May 20, 2023 7:55 PM
Reply to  Matt Black

No surprises there.

Brendon O’Connell has done quite a bit on this group tbf – well worth a look at his YT videos.