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WATCH: The Parallels Between 9/11 and Covid19

Kevin Ryan‘s video presentation for the 9/11 Truth Film Festival, held in September to mark the 19th anniversary, discusses the many parallels between the Covid19 narrative, and roll out of the “official conspiracy theory” in the wake of 9/11. From the incessant fear-based media coverage, to the signs of opportunistic corruption, to the smearing of critics in the mainstream media, to the oddly prescient “exercises”…the clear signs of a psychological operation are there.

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Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Nov 26, 2020 10:09 PM

Another parallel, unexplained “novelty”

COVID-19: We are told that SARS-CoV-2 is a “novel” virus and yet no clear evidence of how it is novel other than ascription of a large amount of illness and death to it has been presented with regard to its novel nature. We have been given no sense of why or how it is so virulent, why it kills people, makes them seriously ill or is particularly infectious where other coronaviruses do not exhibit these characteristics in a similar manner. We have not be told of a specific symptom (or set of symptoms) that tends to be more virulent in those allegedly suffering from COVID-19 or otherwise given a single clue as to how the nature of this virus causes it to manifest so differently from other coronaviruses.

9/11: NIST lead investigator, Shyam Sunder says of the collapse of WTC-7:
“We really have a new kind of progressive collapse that we have here, which is a fire-induced progressive collapse. And, in fact, we have shown for the first time that fire can induce a progressive collapse.”

​NIST showed no such thing – see Point 8, Collapse of WTC-7, nor did they offer any explanation for the reason that this new type of progressive collapse occurred only once in history – in the collapse of WTC-7.

Alan Tuma
Alan Tuma
Nov 5, 2020 1:33 AM

Have some info about the two events. Thanks for your information http://www.universalfreedom.online

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Oct 20, 2020 3:14 PM

Do the gatekeepers understand the irony that they identify the gate?

Noam Chomsky Debunks 9/11 and JFK Murder
Apr 13, 2008
Adam Phoenix
See Noam Chomsky speaking in Budapest at the Kossuth Klub hosted by the “Lehet Mas a Vilag.” He is debunking the conspiracy behind 9/11 events and claiming that JFK murder is irrelevant. This is the original and unedited footage as presented by onegoodmove.org
[btw: the video uploader doesn’t understand the word “debunk”]

LKing
LKing
Oct 20, 2020 5:12 PM

The “controlled scientific experiment” analogy that he uses is an interesting choice of words. And then he says it is “distracting people from serious issues” – what could be more serious!?

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Oct 25, 2020 12:17 AM
Reply to  LKing

Re: “distracting people from serious issues”

The same line has recently been pushed by Caitlin Johnstone: “QAnon is a fake, decoy imitation of a healthy revolutionary impulse . . .”
https://off-guardian.org/2020/08/20/kamala-kabbalah/#comment-225964

DoG
DoG
Feb 17, 2021 8:00 AM

Truth irrelevant to those with agenda such as leftist Noam

Ammon Ammo
Ammon Ammo
Oct 19, 2020 9:40 PM

I wonder if it’s possible to approach this rationally and somewhat scientifically? I don’t mean to sound condescending or disrespectful, but it helps to focus on the evidentiary and easily observable facts rather than lots of hyperbolic Fantasia like gods, satan, Molok (or whoever Hillary is worshiping this year). The exercises that coincided with this, the preliminary legislation/ political maneuvers, the market and big biz developments are all we need to see that this ‘plandemic’ is more than just the elites typical, ‘never let a good tragedy go to waste’. Lots of pieces were placed to get us here into a damn near checkmate. Don’t muddy the waters please so we can all see more clearly what is really transpiring.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 20, 2020 10:47 AM
Reply to  Ammon Ammo

Well it stands to reason that a completely rational and useful comment would immediately get a “down-vote,” doesn’t it?

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Oct 17, 2020 11:05 AM

As I’ve said previously:

9/11 was the NWO’s first attempt at the “Great Reset”, but it got derailed by the invasion of Iraq. Global Warming was the second attempt, but it got derailed by Climategate. Covid911 is the third attempt, but it’s being derailed by MAGA. A proper account requires understanding the agenda, the projects, and the derailments.

https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/13/watch-covid-911-from-homeland-security-to-biosecurity/#comment-239024

And as William Blake said 200 years ago, the NWO agenda is Satanic.
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Milton_(excerpts)/Preface

Believe Christ & his Apostles that there is a Class of Men whose whole delight is in Destroying.

And did those feet in ancient time,
Walk upon England’s mountains green?
And was the holy Lamb of God,
On England’s pleasant pastures seen?

And did the Countenance Divine,
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here,
Among these dark Satanic Mills?

Bring me my Bow of burning gold!
Bring me my Arrows of desire!
Bring me my Spear: O clouds unfold!
Bring me my Chariot of fire!

I will not cease from Mental Fight,
Nor shall my Sword sleep in my hand:
Till we have built Jerusalem,
In England’s green & pleasant Land

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Oct 20, 2020 2:19 PM

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2,603,469 views
Sep 25, 2013
TheCGBros
3.49M subscribers
A story about the fire at the heart of suffering.
Bringing together dancers, musicians, visual artists and 3d animators, the film takes a critical look at current events. A mysterious figure travels aboard his boat through a dark and desolate landscape in his quest for inner peace.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Oct 20, 2020 9:53 PM

While flashing the 666 sign, Harley Guy states: “I witnessed the entire thing; from beginning to end”.

LKing
LKing
Oct 16, 2020 4:56 PM

Great points. Coincidentally, some tool on my local news site posted a comment the other day to the effect of “This is our new 9-11! Remember how we would have done anything to prevent more terrorists from killing Americans? We need to band together and do that now! Take this seriously!”

It seems that the same douchebags who lapped up the Patriot Act, are now equally lathered up about the seriousness of this new threat.

LKing
LKing
Oct 16, 2020 4:59 PM
Reply to  LKing

Please forgive my name calling. I got too pissed off for a minute.

Ort
Ort
Oct 16, 2020 9:02 PM
Reply to  LKing

There’s nothing to forgive.

Personally, when I read the tool/douchebag’s quote I thought it belonged in an encyclopedia article on “Useful Idiots”– a textbook example, as it were.

LKing
LKing
Oct 16, 2020 10:13 PM
Reply to  Ort

Thanks Ort. Hope you are having a lovely day 🙂

Ort
Ort
Oct 16, 2020 10:42 PM
Reply to  LKing

You’re welcome. Your kind response is indeed an evening ray of sunshine in an unpleasantly rainy, chilly day.

LKing
LKing
Oct 19, 2020 3:18 PM
Reply to  Ort

I’m glad to hear it! Sorry, was offline for the weekend. Hope you were able to get a warm drink and somewhere cozy to enjoy the weather.

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 16, 2020 2:30 PM

Just heard about something called “Long COVID” which may consist of four different syndromes. They’re certainly working hard on this one. But then again, when they start running out of ideas, they have a good century’s worth of science fiction and horror stories to raid.

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
Oct 17, 2020 10:26 AM
Reply to  George Mc

I have read or heard someone else describing Long Covid as being the feeling of exhaustion brought on by the constant bullshit, day after day.

Grafter
Grafter
Oct 17, 2020 5:06 PM
Reply to  George Mc

“Long COVID”…..Yeh straight from the maggots who work for Sage.

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 16, 2020 12:29 PM

Another satisfying tale of hubris and retribution emerging, this time from an Orwellian suggestion re: language:

https://qz-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/qz.com/1830347/social-distancing-isnt-the-right-language-for-what-covid-19-asks-of-us/amp/?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=16028374518226&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fqz.com%2F1830347%2Fsocial-distancing-isnt-the-right-language-for-what-covid-19-asks-of-us%2F

First the language bit. We must change our terminology. “Social distancing” gives the wrong impression for what is going to be the long haul (read: “forever”). “Physical distancing” is more acceptable.

Now the epic vision:

“The neoliberal project of letting the markets solve everything, and hoping humans could scrape by, was stretched more and more by evidence of pending ecological collapse, rising inequality, and a tide of migration that challenged even the most welcoming of countries. It really was all so fragile. And then with Covid-19, it fell apart.”

So here we are getting a reversal of the old “There is no alternative” rhetoric. The entire neoliberal project was doomed from the start. Note that exhilarating accumulation of disaster culminating in COVID.

“And yet it also became abundantly clear, with this virus, that we have the capacity to change mightily on a dime. We stopped traveling, stopped socializing, moved work and school home, and met our neighbors. “Covid demonstrates the power of our collective will when we agree on what is important,” writes Charles Eisenstein. “What else might we achieve, in coherency?””

Don’t you love that “we” and “our”?

Ah but what’s this?:

“If a new concept of capitalism is hammered out, it will be a more collective one, one that honors our need to be in something together and not have life be an endless, zero-sum game.”

And we can see that this reversal of the neoliberal vision is precisely what oppositional voices were crying out for all along. Which means that the appeal of all this to the Left becomes obvious.

But the BIG question that will just not go away with anyone actually paying attention is how this “anti-neoliberalism” suddenly became the constantly reiterated “wisdom” of the Govt as directed by the MSM. The entire MSM/govt conjunction has thus not only gone through a 180 degree turn but is pursuing the new course with utmost vehemence.

And although the Left have constantly been banging on about the “inevitability” of COVID (which is somehow supposed to prove without further enquiry that the virus MUST be as lethal as presented) surely even they must be starting to notice an oddity in the measures to “contain” the virus I.e. that whilst the virulence of COVUD is being constantly trumpeted, the increasingly devastating effect of the lockdown – and even the very existence of the lockdown – is being denied.

And so we gave an oddly lopsided situation. I recall a Monty Python sketch in which increasingly devastating methods were taken to kill a mosquito – culminating, if I remember correctly, in a nuclear bomb.

So we are presented with this vision of an unsustainable neoliberalism finally crushed by a pandemic – the “final straw” which forces “us” to create some vaguely defined “new collective capitalism”. All of this operating under forces which have not changed – same MSM, same corporate influence, same capitalism supporting govts.

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Oct 16, 2020 2:24 PM
Reply to  George Mc

@George. Liked the “all in this together” bit. Seem to have heard it before, somewhere.

Roberto
Roberto
Oct 16, 2020 4:31 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Re: language, the better and more accurate term would be ‘antisocial’ distancing, the intent and purpose of which is to keep people apart, instill instinctive fear of others, and is mandated and precisely quantified.

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 16, 2020 8:05 PM
Reply to  Roberto

“Social distancing” is an oxymoron and therefore could be taken as part of the deliberate disorientation.

Jean Wilson
Jean Wilson
Oct 16, 2020 10:03 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Of course, its anti-social distancing, but they won’t give the correct name or some might start to ask questions.

mgeo
mgeo
Oct 16, 2020 4:37 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Until the fabled pandemic, globalism was the motto of the Masters of the Universe. Now, though they are scrambling to complete their plunder, they must also “spin on a dime” to come up with alternatives to critical issues including food – if they are to escape the rioting.

LKing
LKing
Oct 16, 2020 5:46 PM
Reply to  George Mc

From the article:

“We need to work together to stay apart, to be in constant contact to understand the fast-changing dynamics of civic life, but also to support each other in illness, and as we die, something so many people have gone through alone in Italy and Spain. It was originally for the more vulnerable that we were asked to stay inside; now it is for the fate of our health systems. These are both collective actions.”

Everything about this is so disturbing.

Also the words chosen for the title:

Social distancing isn’t the right language for what Covid-19 asks of us

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 16, 2020 8:08 PM
Reply to  LKing

You have to read these articles carefully. I have found a lot of “pep talk” type stuff about how “we the people” managed to influence the media and govt – but without actually explaining how this astonishing development happened.

LKing
LKing
Oct 19, 2020 3:25 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Will keep an eye out for the pep talk, thanks! Although I really have trouble reading almost any news lately, I find it so laden with disgusting propaganda that I just get too frustrated reading it.

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 16, 2020 8:53 AM

This is one of the reasons I feel such disgust for the mainstream Left:

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/great-barrington-declaration-herd-immunity-scientific-divide

“The problem is that we aren’t in lockdown. Across the UK, pubs, restaurants, schools and universities are all largely open. The kind of lockdown that the Great Barrington Declaration seems to be railing against hasn’t been in place in the UK since mid-June. Even in places like Manchester which are under local lockdown restrictions, pubs, restaurants and schools are still open and it’s hard to find people who are advocating for a return to the lockdown we saw in March. When the Great Barrington Declaration authors declare their opposition to lockdowns, they are quite literally arguing with the past.”

The implication is that nothing much is going on. Things are just kinda normal really! Never mind that the entire economy is tanking.

There is this constant downplaying of the situation where the very real and indeed devastating effects of the very real and indeed devastating lockdown are slighted if not totally ignored. Meanwhile every tiny nudge of the COVID statistics is treated like the next surge of the apocalypse.

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Oct 16, 2020 11:04 AM
Reply to  George Mc

in donegal we now have NO VISITING other houses but some other things go on. none of it makes sense.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Oct 16, 2020 2:57 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Heads up George… the latest The Corbett Report video is a must see. He calls out the fake phony pseudo socialists by name for their shameful support for these authoritarian measures and that have devastated so many lives, especially the working class.
He names names, including Tim Anderson, Galloway and Moon of Alabama. Unfortunately he didn’t get round to naming the ‘bogan socialist’ aka Caitlin Johnstone. And no, you’re not the only one who feels disgust.
I doubt any of them are wondering where their food for next week will be coming from, or when they can actually earn a living again. These cretins couldn’t give a flying feck about the working class.
Eva Bartlett mentioned it on her Facebook page as well.

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 16, 2020 4:02 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

I just watched that Corbett report and appreciated his naming of names but then it seems to me that Galloway was always a clown and MoA is a kinda “fringe site”. There are more damaging examples of Left wankery – the WSWS being one of them. These are particularly lethal since they represent part of a respected Left tradition.

I never heard of a “bogan socialist” but whilst surfing around I stumbled on this comment:

“I believe Ms Johnston calls herself a Bogan socialist. That’s about as far away from the right as possible.”

So just because she called herself something, that means she’s “as far away from the right as possible”? These are the kind of comments I read and feel that intelligence is dead.

As for the bit about fake rebel music, I have no idea who these people are. I vaguely recall the guy who had a blast at Van the Man. Speaking about the “Belfast Cowboy”, I note that it takes an oldie who doesn’t care about his image to see through the shit. Just like the mighty Bob released a song about the JFK cover up.

There’s also a bit on that JC report about naked celebs and there’s some gal starkers and grabbing her boobs. I had the feeling of another crappy distraction and didn’t even catch what it was about.

May Hem
May Hem
Oct 16, 2020 5:42 AM

Occult background to the Covid fraud. This video is long (don’t need to watch it all), and please don’t be put off by the language and accent of the presenter (Bro.Sanchez), but he gives fascinating information on the occult background and language used by the planners – traditions going back many years.

I’m not sure that everything he says is true, and I’m still needing time to digest the info – but it is certainly food for thought and can help our understanding of what is really going on in the world today.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Oct 16, 2020 3:23 AM
Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Oct 17, 2020 1:35 AM
Reply to  Charlotte Ruse

They’ve already removed it… 😠 Like they’re removing literally anything they deem a threat, even if it’s only had a few thousand views.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Oct 17, 2020 5:12 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Google is controlled by NSA, Twitter the FBI, mainstream media news the CIA…. All countries worldwide suppresses and censors info some more than others. It will only intensify as AI technology improves.

.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Oct 17, 2020 5:21 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

This is one of his better videos:
https://youtu.be/HeMsaN6xjAQ

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Oct 17, 2020 7:36 AM
Reply to  Charlotte Ruse

Thanks Charlotte. Maybe we’ll all end up having to do Samizdat the way things are going.
Having major problems trying to post comments at Offguardian in the last 9-10 days, especially since the DDoS stuff started up again. I don’t have a computer, only a smartphone.
Tried to reply a few times now. Hope your weekend goes well👍

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Oct 16, 2020 2:34 AM

Just a coincidence?

Description

“In Pandemic, several virulent diseases have broken out simultaneously all over the world! The players are disease-fighting specialists whose mission is to treat disease hotspots while researching cures for each of four plagues before they get out of hand.”

The 2013 edition of Pandemic includes two new characters—the Contingency Planner and the Quarantine Specialist—not available in earlier editions of the game.

Complete page: https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/30549/pandemic

Arby
Arby
Oct 16, 2020 1:29 AM

Kevin’s overview is important. It’s very coherent. I’ll use it in my next blog post, partly because I see that he’s being censored and I feel that we have to back each other here. (My blog gets zero views some days. Of course, WordPress partnered with Google’s First Draft Coalition, so it’s no surprise that views like mine, which mostly are an amplification of other anti-covid 1984 views, somehow get suppressed.)

Kevin’s weakness: He sees things from within the Rockefeller health care ideological outlook.

My weakness: I don’t have specialized knowledge of any kind and my math is beyond bad. I can’t confirm or disconfirm statements on either side of Covid 1984 via my own number-crunching therefore. That’s not ideal.

I quite liked the quotes by Peter Thiel given.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Oct 16, 2020 1:13 AM

There’s plenty of direct evidence that the “attacks” of 9/11/2001 were well planned in advance. As most here already know, the covid scamdemic was also well planned in advance. As on 9/11/2001, public media outlets are bought and paid assets of CIA and Mossad propaganda mechanisms.
Many here have probably seen this presentation before. It is well worth watching in it’s entirety.   

PLANDEMIC 2
https://www.brighteon.com/e447f1e1-dbee-437f-9c6f-a6e955c566b6

John Pretty
John Pretty
Oct 16, 2020 12:12 AM

I’m a little to tired to comment with my usual razor sharp intellect. I know that many of you must have been missing me while I have been mixing with parochial types on another site.

Pfft, I’m better off with my fellow lunatics and crazies on here.

Anyway. Enough of that bollox.

There are certainly elements of psyop in all of this, but my central thesis is that I don’t (personally) believe that this was planned in order to provide a pretext to instigate an authoritarian revolution.

Rather they (meaning probably the NATO/ WOT crew) had clubbed together to decide what they would do in the even that a plague was to sweep the globe.

They just forgot to tell their citizens about it. (Well presumably they considered that the plebs didn’t have to know).

I don’t think it can be sensibly reasoned that (as James Corbett pointed out some months ago) concepts such as “social distancing” and “new normal” weren’t decided well in advance.

I even rather strongly suspect that the continued restrictions are in those original plans, with the release date for the citizenry being the development of a vaxxine.

So. Looks like we’re on for the long haul with this shitshow. “V” all. Time to meditate.

THX-1143
THX-1143
Oct 16, 2020 3:26 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

the entire script seems to have been previewed in a Hollywood movie in 2011.

I don’t know how you can reconcile that fact with your limited-hangout “not planned” theory.

not even to mention, of course, the Rockefeller “Lockstep” documents, or Event 201.

paul
paul
Oct 16, 2020 3:50 AM
Reply to  THX-1143

Just like the Novichok/ Skripal/ Navalny sagas.

Grafter
Grafter
Oct 15, 2020 11:59 PM

Here are the Torygraphs 6 tips for getting through the “cold , dark, season “….

Take a walk outside – even if the weather is terrible 
Phone a friend
Do some winter gardening
Listen to music
Keep a gratitude journal

Accept that things are tough
Followed by …..”It can be strangely liberating to accept that things are out of your control. Rather than beat yourself up that things aren’t going as well as they should be, try to realise that it’s OK for the world to be uncertain. At the end of the day, there’s not much you can do about the pandemic from your living room.”

Awww !! Bless !

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 15, 2020 11:44 PM

I am not a fan of Alex Jones, that caveat being stated, he does occasionally convey legitimate information and this interview with Aaron Russell not long before he died shows Rockefeller et al are behind the events of 9-11.

Rockefeller and 9-11

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FuinaIm-kd4

And we also know Rockefeller are behind all the blood for oil profiteering of the last 100 years, the smart meters in everyone’s homes, and behind ICLEI, GRCN, Strong Cities, the entire vaccine industry, the fraud of viruses, the pseudo science in modeling and epidemiology and this fake pandemic.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Oct 16, 2020 1:05 AM
Reply to  Researcher

Hello Researcher: Aaron Russo’s “Freedom to Fascism” was truly a work of genius. I hadn’t seen this video before. Excellent! Thank you for your many informative posts.

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 16, 2020 2:38 AM

You’re welcome. Thanks Paul.

Yes. Sorry, Russo not Russell. I was distracted by Mary’s post, which indicates what’s going to be happening globally… Not good news:

https://www.nexusnewsfeed.com/article/geopolitics/canadian-control-measures-just-the-tip-of-the-earth-sized-iceberg

Confirmed by this:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/dAFXX7jg9g3Y/

Fact Checker
Fact Checker
Oct 16, 2020 3:21 AM
Reply to  Researcher

I rewatched Russo’s F2F during the scamdemic, for the first time since I saw its NYC premier with a Q & A with Russo back in aught-six. It’s a classic. (Quick aside, I took an intern from my job at the time, and the kid FREAKED OUT. My then-girlfriend-now-wife fell asleep. She does that.)

Anyway, upon revisitation, the production values DO NOT hold up, and the topical shift from “income-tax-is-a-fraud” to “they-are-going-to-chip-us-for-a-cashless-society” is kind of a non sequitur, if you weren’t steeped in apocalyptic conspiracy study already.
BUT it was singularly prescient and precise in its outline of what was coming.
The last 25 minutes of the film pretty much foresaw everything now being implemented, under cover of the bolognavirus.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 16, 2020 8:38 AM
Reply to  Fact Checker

That really takes me back; I remember the spooky sensation of learning that Russo had been “got” by TFIC and was going to die… and then, very quickly, he did. I have F2F buried in my files somewhere. Back then (2006, as you say), I had the incredibly optimistic feeling that TFIC were on the verge of being exposed… so much evidence against them!… I didn’t yet grasp how immune to enlightenment (and vulnerable to TFIC control) Duh Masses are. And then I watched one obvious hoax after another roll off the assembly line… do you remember the “Cassidy Stay” hoax? When the hoax teams “jumped the shark”? It was at that point that I began to suspect that Duh Masses (of Murrkka) were literally retarded:

kevin
kevin
Oct 16, 2020 3:55 PM

Like you, there was a time 12-15 years ago when I thought 9/11 and the TFIC would be exposed. I also remember how common it was to read online comments along the lines of “the tide is turning, people are waking up” etc. Yeah, it never happened, and here we are.

kevin
kevin
Oct 16, 2020 4:00 PM
Reply to  kevin

Sorry, I realize I didn’t need “the” in front of TFIC.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 16, 2020 5:18 PM
Reply to  kevin

Har! It’s like “hoi polloi” in that sense (ironically)

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 16, 2020 5:17 PM
Reply to  kevin

Never happened. Nope. We need “Seriously Thought the Tide Was Turning” group-therapy sessions for the hundreds of thousands (millions?) like us. Chapters in every town. Except, of course, TFIC would infiltrate that, too, and turn it into a melon-twisting clusterfuck, just to twist the knife a little more, eh? Meanwhile: PLAN B: let’s all start chanting for that meteor strike… can’t hurt…

kevin
kevin
Oct 16, 2020 5:35 PM

Thanks for that. I needed a chuckle.

Fact Checker
Fact Checker
Oct 16, 2020 10:57 PM

i don’t remember that, and watching it now I really don’t know what I’m looking at. “Deflected off her finger?”

I abolished all broadcast and cable TeeVee content from my household around 2008/09. Just couldn’t stand having my intelligence insulted like that anymore, in any dosage.

Of course, that’s why this scamdemic caught me so by surprise. I had no idea how outlandish mainstream Narratives had become, and how slavishly accepting the Herd had become to them. (I sort of knew about trans-worship-ism and I knew Trump was somehow president, but I didn’t really appreciate the depths of derangement that stuff represented.) Most importantly, because TeeVee-Babble had become totally alien to me, their Fear tricks didn’t have sway on me. I instantly recognized it for empty hysteria, and was just outside of it watching in befuddlement. When the toilet paper riots started, I was just chuckling to myself. Then when they were “shutting things down for three days” I knew it was just more empty hysteria, and figured that all the morons would have egg on their faces after the uneventful three days, like the Y2K adherents on Jan. 1, 2001.

I was right about it being hollow hysteria, but boy how wrong was I about the egg…

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 17, 2020 12:03 AM
Reply to  Fact Checker

“I was right about it being hollow hysteria, but boy how wrong was I about the egg…”

Being sane is not the best preparation for facing this “Reality” they’re building.

““Deflected off her finger?”

Well, think of it this way: how many people believe in the “Virgin birth”….? And will argue with you all day and all night in unwavering defense of the assertion… ?

Amanda
Amanda
Oct 18, 2020 7:48 AM

Yes, I’m here in the US and there have been an unending stream of shooting hoaxes. The fakery is so obvious, yet the masses still fall for it ever time. Sandy Hook and the Boston Bombings were the first big ones, then the others were smaller operations. Dave McGowan did the best work on the Boston Bombing hoax, where he demonstrated the fakery in a video presentation with John B Wells of Caravan to Midnight. Then shortly after that presentation, McGowan came down with a fast acting cancer.

And of course all of the shooting hoaxes were all about getting the guns. It’s quite obvious now why they gave us the 2nd amendment–they knew about governmental tyranny.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 18, 2020 11:13 AM
Reply to  Amanda

Dave’s work is so extensive, and so valuable… I’m glad his Daughter(s) kept the material available and I hope it hasn’t been tampered with. His analysis of The Boston Event was perfect and devastating to The Mainstream Narrative.

Amanda
Amanda
Oct 20, 2020 7:46 AM

Yes, I agree. He did exceptional research–if more people followed his work, we wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in right now.

TMN in Canada
TMN in Canada
Oct 18, 2020 12:02 AM
Reply to  Researcher

That’s a very frightening article (the nexus post) – can it be verified? I don’t want to start freaking everyone out by sharing it until I can be sure it’s authentic.

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 18, 2020 2:58 AM
Reply to  TMN in Canada

https://off-guardian.org/2020/10/14/watch-the-parallels-between-9-11-and-covid19/#comment-258701

Read the entire comment and look at all the links. It was leaked from a STRAP meeting. You’re not going to ever get confirmation from a leak. You’re going to have to connect the dots yourself.

But it looks legit based on what I’ve been seeing in the legislation being passed globally. Such as this:

You had to know this was never about a virus. It was always about Agenda 21.

https://off-guardian.org/2020/10/15/twitter-biden-and-the-new-york-post-social-media-censorship-kicks-up-a-gear/#comment-259049

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 18, 2020 3:40 AM
Reply to  TMN in Canada

I keep replying to you, but for some reason it doesn’t get posted.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/politician-raises-alarm-over-trudeau-govts-plan-to-build-covid-quarantine-isolation-camps

You won’t find confirmation from a leak. It’s a leak. Of an email from someone who attended a STRAP meeting from the Prime Ministers Office. Seems genuine. Fits in with what has been happening. Especially legislation that’s being passed globally. In the 5eyes.

New York incoming
Assembly Bill A992019-2020 Legislative Session

Relates to the REMOVAL of cases, contacts and carriers of communicable diseases who are potentially dangerous to the public health

https://legislation.nysenate.gov/pdf/bills/2019/A99

Global Currency Reset. Using people as commodities.

https://www.globalcurrencyreset.org/

“Surveillance Capitalism“.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hIXhnWUmMvw

Population Forecast for 2025.
https://www.deagel.com/forecast

Canada goes from 38 million to 24 in less than five years. All the NATO countries are the main targets for the depopulation agenda.

Agenda 21 aka The Great Reset

https://americanpolicy.org/2019/02/25/green-new-deal-reveals-the-naked-truth-of-agenda-21/

The banksters want to rid the planet of several billion people and seize their assets. That’s why the lockdown. Destroy the global economy through endless lockdowns. Crash capitalism and the petro dollar then you can seize all private property:

https://www.mintpressnews.com/imf-seizes-on-covid-crisis-to-pave-way-for-privatization-in-81-countries/271917/

Read my other comment. It contains other links.

https://off-guardian.org/2020/10/14/watch-the-parallels-between-9-11-and-covid19/#comment-258701

And this outlines the plan in general terms.

https://off-guardian.org/2020/10/15/twitter-biden-and-the-new-york-post-social-media-censorship-kicks-up-a-gear/#comment-259049

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Oct 16, 2020 4:51 AM
Reply to  Researcher

@Researcher: “we” know.

I didn’t know, that Rockefeller “is behind the entire vaccine industry”. But that would explain Bill Gates moving into vaccines, because Gates is related to the Rockefeller clan.

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 16, 2020 5:06 AM
Reply to  Dr NG Maroudas

All the cryptocracy are related.

They hand down their power and wealth through generations. That’s why they are obsessed with eugenics.

All the presidents except for one, have the same ancestor. Not a coincidence.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uw2mkHmIKOA

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Oct 16, 2020 5:31 AM
Reply to  Researcher

Researcher, thanks for that very illuminating Link to the POTU$A Bloodline (uncovered by Local Girl) and your comment: that’s why “they’re obsessed with eugenics”. Which shades into Nazism.

“Eugenics and Other Evils” — GK Chesterton

Roberto
Roberto
Oct 16, 2020 6:06 PM
Reply to  Dr NG Maroudas

National ‘Socialism’, was the political rebuttal to the threat of communism in Germany after the war; this was a very real threat for a decade or more as Germany was in a constant state of chaos and revolutionary activity and the implementation of communist governments in various jurisdictions.
This was the unfortunate ‘blowback’ of the German government’s financing of Lenin’s activities (Lenin was actually evading arrest by the Russian government for treason before the coup of 1917), and the hoped-for world wide communist revolution which affected many countries.
Eugenics was the darling of socialists; not a particularly offensive policy during the first half of the 20th century, (and state policy in many nations and provinces worldwide), especially to intellectuals and technocrat social engineers. The eugenics idealistic fad was simply absorbed into NS policy as part of their socialist program, and became the justification for their ultimate extreme expression of it.
And ‘aristocratic’ eugenics has always existed but more for financial and political reasons to join families for the purpose of continuity of power and wealth rather than the breeding of superior creatures, as a study of many matches made quickly reveals the prevalence of ‘continental marriage’, which is a marriage in name only, the ultimate expression of matchmaking, with daughters or sons given to nominated partners as a purely strategic exercise.
In fact, the prevalence of aristocratic (and royal) inbreeding argues against any notion of being ‘obsessed with eugenics’, if we consider eugenics solely the practice of breeding superior human individuals.

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 18, 2020 2:31 AM
Reply to  Roberto

You don’t know anything about the cryptocracy or their eugenics beliefs. They believe intermarrying preserves their bloodline. RH negative.

Eugenics was not the darling of socialists. It came out of the Monarchies’ belief that they were superior beings, descendants of gods who should interbreed to increase their intellect and keep themselves separate from the rest of humanity.

Eugenics beliefs along with Luciferianism, usury, Kabbala, Freemasonry, Jesuits and other secret societies such as the Knights Templar and the Rosicrucians eventually morphed into eugenics as a pseudo science under Darwin, Huxley et al then spread to America where it was taken up by Henry Ford, Rockefeller and the bankers and politicians. The American Eugenics movement sent Hitler and the Nazi party the material they used to justify eliminating J_ws, homosexuals, the mentally ill, communists, Marxists, socialists, anarchists and Gypsies.

Hitler got all his “best ideas” (so he claimed) from the US branch of the eugenics movement that currently runs the world. It’s all a matter of public record.

Chevrus
Chevrus
Oct 16, 2020 4:42 PM
Reply to  Researcher

Aaron Russo FYI

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 16, 2020 5:36 PM
Reply to  Chevrus

I already corrected my mistake above. I was reading something important when I wrote comment.

https://off-guardian.org/2020/10/14/watch-the-parallels-between-9-11-and-covid19/#comment-258704

Nick
Nick
Oct 19, 2020 4:42 PM
Reply to  Researcher

Do you have your own blog at all?Relatively new here and enjoy your posts immensely. Frightening, but need to know what the fight is against.

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 19, 2020 6:37 PM
Reply to  Nick

Thanks, but no I do not.

Basically, we are up against the people who have been running the world since before we were born. Going back centuries, maybe even millennia. Usury is how it’s achieved in a top down manner. If you control the money supply you control the military and the politicians. If you control the money supply in every country you’ll also own the shareholder majority in all the major transnational corporations, such as the thousand corporations that make up the members of the IMF’s new Digital Global Currency Reset soon to be announced.

So, think of the world as an organized controlled place, not a place where random and chaotic events occur but where everything is connected. Where the newsfeed is entirely propaganda meant to make us think what the “controllers” of the system want us to think about. But it’s always presented to us in a disjointed way so that we don’t understand the connectedness therefore it’s harder to visualize the bigger picture. Compartmentalized ideas lead to compartmentalized thinking. It’s part of a brainwashing technique based around trauma based mind control in conjunction with rote learning from the Prussian method of education.

When we grow up in a world saturated with propaganda and fake narratives it’s all we know. So consequently, people are stuck in various cultural or political narratives they have taken on as their personal belief systems but are actually purposefully manufactured so they always seem hollow and unsatisfying. People’s personal identities are not their own, because humans are mimetic creatures.

People in China like their social credit system. It’s all they know. They are culturally conditioned to enjoy their ignorance, censorship and enslavement.

The globalist bankers who run the world have decided to give us what China has, but they want to kill off the older generation, keep the millennials, and therefore maximize their profit. It’s liquidation time. Agenda 21.

They’ll seize all the land and corral millennials into SMART mega cities, with AI control grids using 5g and smart meters. Military domination through a central banking, one world government, utilizing tech and “vaccines”, ie implants for biometric surveillance capitalism and brainwave function monitoring. Minority Report meets 1984.

What we are facing right now is asymmetrical warfare. Fourth generation warfare against the people delivered through their governments at the behest of the cryptocracy.

The internet enabled the cryptocracy the control over us they seek, but it also gave some of us the ability to see through the various fraudulent agendas, such as manufactured pandemics, manufactured terror and manufactured climate crises. The internet gave us access to a broader range of information, other than the revisionist history, allopathic medicine, pseudo science, and terror events such as 9-11, pandemics, mass shootings. or unnatural weather events that have been force fed to us through the media.

In the West we have the narratives of nation states vs nation states. Or Democrats vs Republicans. Christians vs Muslims. Or black vs white, gay vs straight, etc. It’s an oppositional and binary narrative based on the Hegelian dialectic. But it’s all illusion meant to divide and conquer.

Have you read Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars? It’s enlightening. A manual from a Bilderberg Group meeting. I suggest you start there and follow James Corbett on Corbett Report dot com. He’s quite up to speed on the technocracy underway.

We can fight back through legal means and by educating ourselves and awakening others.

Nick
Nick
Oct 20, 2020 11:42 AM
Reply to  Researcher

No i haven’t but I will certainly follow up on it. Everything you state is pretty much how I see things going. I find it hard to believe how quickly lockstep happened. Can people not understand how unprecedented this is? It points to totalitarian control. We had the chance to kick the moneylenders out the temples all those years ago. We never learned the lesson.

John F. McGowan, Ph.D.
John F. McGowan, Ph.D.
Oct 15, 2020 11:23 PM

Regarding the total number of US COVID deaths in Kevin Ryan’s video, now a bit over 200,000 deaths.

Kevin Ryan compares the US COVID deaths to a figure of 80,000 “flu” deaths in 2017 in his video presenation.

The US CDC uses at least three wildly different total death numbers for “pneumonia and influenza” and “influenza/flu” deaths each year: about 188,000 on the FluView web site, about 55,000 in the annual leading causes of death report, and about 80,000 “flu deaths” in 2017 from a mathematical model.

The CDC FluView web site which purports to report the percentage of weekly deaths due to “pneumonia and influenza” claims over six percent of deaths each year are due to pneumonia and influenza, implied to be caused by the influenza virus. The percent is shown explicitly in a scary graphic on the web site. This graphic is based on data files from the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) that list about 188,000 deaths per year due to pneumonia and influenza.

In contrast, the CDC’s leading causes of death report attributes about 55,000 deaths per year, only two percent of annual deaths. The percent is explicitly reported as about two percent in a table of leading causes of death in the report. These death numbers are less than ONE THIRD of the FluView numbers.

The CDC also has a mysterious model or models that attribute about 80,000 deaths in 2017 (less most years) to the influenza virus. The influenza virus is confirmed as present by laboratory tests in only a small fraction of deaths attributed to “pneumonia and influenza” according to the NCHS statistics. The CDC argues/theorizes that nonetheless the pneumonia are caused by an initial influenza infection that goes undetected and uses computer mathematical models to attribute these deaths to the influenze virus for which there is a vaccine promoted by the CDC.

For more info on this, see: https://tinyurl.com/y33st9ww

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 16, 2020 3:58 AM

That’s because their flu figures are false. They’re based on “associations” as you know from reading Peter Doshi’s papers which I found very interesting too, several months ago.

Any of the rapid diagnostic tests for the flu are probably testing for a nucleuc acid or a protein anyway. Not a virus. They’re likely to be as scientifically meaningless as the RT-PCR tests for covid19.

I don’t believe there are actually any flu deaths at all. When I started investigating cases of children reportedly dying of the flu, all I could find in each case was cardiac arrest and/or organ from bacterial infections or meningitis. Not exactly what you’d think of as flu deaths.

I’d bet money that upon careful examination in each of these laboratory confirmed flu cases you would probably find another cause of death on their chart, in their medical records or autopsy results.

The CDC is not really a government agency. It’s privately funded. So it’s figures aren’t reliable or unbiased. They’re PhRMA influenced.

They exist to promote drugs and vaccines. There’s a correlation between outbreaks of viruses, either during or after vaccination programs.

Look at this:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-49276219

What did these local doctors find so troubling that they plotted the murder of the WHO doctor?

I would hazard a wild guess that they figured out the Ebola outbreaks in the Congo weren’t real.

mgeo
mgeo
Oct 16, 2020 8:04 AM
Reply to  Researcher

Also, with the medicalisation of life, especially old age, they need a catch-all category that casts as little blame as possible on their dud treatments and specialities, e.g. for BP, diabetes, heart disease, depression, etc.

Grafter
Grafter
Oct 15, 2020 11:18 PM

Torygraph comes to the rescue…

“Local lockdowns could persist for several months, leading to a daunting and difficult winter. If your area is under one, read Alice Hall’s six-month positivity plan with tips to help you get through the cold, dark season.”

Does anyone buy this crap ?

Ken Garoo
Ken Garoo
Oct 16, 2020 9:57 AM
Reply to  Grafter

It is all from SAGE’s SPI-B ‘bahavoural modification’ group. They initially advised using the media to pimp up the fear levels, and now that ‘people are living in fear’, they are conditioning them to accept the paranoia.

ZenPriest
ZenPriest
Oct 16, 2020 1:53 PM
Reply to  Grafter

Sadly yes. Even many highly educated and remunerated people believe the government and media are acting in our interest and mostly tell the truth.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 15, 2020 10:43 PM

@Admin1

https://off-guardian.org/2020/10/14/watch-the-parallels-between-9-11-and-covid19/#comment-258481

“There is no evidence any of the steel was ‘dustified’. Calculations have been done on this that refute Wood’s data-free assertions”

People have begun to lose sight of the fact that psychologically “fanciful,” or economically “fanciful,” or sociologically “fanciful” “Conspiracy Theories”… what we used to deal in, predominately… are nevertheless wholly plausible and certainly within the realm of the possible and that was the very point: that was the line that “mainstream thought” couldn’t cross and what we were trying to do was pull “Normies” over that line: no, your “leaders” don’t love you, aren’t in power to protect you and yes they may also be conspiring to impoverish, confuse or even kill you. Those days, when we were energetically pursuing that goal (of widening the critical circle of The Thinkable), were the Internet-fueled peak of the Golden Age of “Conspiracy Theory”.

Now, welcome to the mad and muddy babble of “CONSPIRACY THEORY TURBO”… sponsored by TFIC… in which shills, and the credulous, both, argue passionately for physically impossible, science-and-logic-and-common-sense-violating, witch-craft-adjacent theories that will never convince or convert any Normies and can only sow discord in Parapolitical Circles as David Icke/ Judy Wood/ Flat Earth/ Space Beams/ Time Traveler/ Flying Saucer/ No Viruses/ Reptilians enthusiasts accuse anyone who rejects this Cartoonish Disinfo Shitstorm as “controlled opposition”.

So, for example, instead of sticking to the slam-dunk of highlighting the utter lack of evidence that “Covid-19” is anything other than the Seasonal Flu x Social Media Brainwashing, or sticking to the slam dunk of highlighting the blatant conflict of interest in Bill Gates the strident Mandatory Vaccine Lobbyist versus Bill Gates the Big Time Vaccine Investor, we’re suddenly hearing from our own Skeptic Community that “virus theory is fake”… though, of course, one wonders what clues tipped these people off to that realization? Because isn’t that how extraordinary, anti-Normative Theories usually develop, if they’re reasonable: via clues that persistently undermine the Normative version of the theory? Where are the “clues” that indicate that “there are no such things as viruses”? 20 Hucksters claiming so on YouTube aren’t “clues”.

Or: I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had to fill in Fledgling Parapolitical Research Chums that although the technology for cloning mammals exists, the technology does not exist for cloning Celebrity X and speed-aging that clone to match the current age of the version of Celebrity X said chum believes has been “cloned” (for whatever purpose… to double appearance fees, possibly). And so forth.

We used to be engaged, largely, in serious (and thankless) work. Now we’re trapped in an Internet Fun House playing a Parapolitical Parlor Game called PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FLAVOR OF THE WEEK.

It sucks.

Cass Sunstein 2, Parapolitical Effectiveness 0.

THX-1143
THX-1143
Oct 16, 2020 12:09 AM

We used to be engaged, largely, in serious (and thankless) work. Now we’re trapped in an Internet Fun House playing a Parapolitical Parlor Game called PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FLAVOR OF THE WEEK.

Cass Sunstein 2, Parapolitical Effectiveness 0.

it’s almost like somebody planned it that way.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 16, 2020 12:20 AM
Reply to  THX-1143

“it’s almost like somebody planned it that way….”

.. and even arrogantly announced, in public, the intention to do so…

Conspiracy theories turn out to be unusually hard to undermine or dislodge; they have a self-sealing quality, rendering them particularly immune to challenge. Our principal claim here involves the potential value of cognitive infiltration of extremist groups, designed to introduce informational diversity into such groups and to expose indefensible conspiracy theories as such.

https://www.skeptiker.ch/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Conspiracy-theories-causes-and-cures.pdf

Binra
Binra
Oct 16, 2020 12:38 AM

You are ‘suddenly’ hearing the virus theory is false?
Because you have never questioned the belief.
I’ve studied this for some years now and since it was coined and rendered the
official narrative of a medical monopoly there have always been those who have challenged its assumptions.

And now you think this line of questioning is false?
As if conjured up to spoil your information war to convert normies?

But the challenge to virus theory is not least because it operates a cover story for vested interests to persist in toxic and trojan agenda that generates huge profits and huge leverage over human institutions and endeavour.

The terrain theory may be as meaningless to you as some would find considering social causes for criminal behaviour. Yet we are social beings and a breakdown of communication and support will result in negatively polarised actions and consequences.

Human beings have acquired a guilt transference complex as an outsourcing of responsibility as a strategy of self-evasion and leverage over each other.
Masking narratives operate to justify a plausible deniability for fear, pain and loss that is hidden, covered over and periodically dumped on whoever or whatever can be blamed – while doing so also generates funding, status and control.

The covid when all’s said and done is a catastrophe of reaction and to many a terrible price to pay and to be paid, while to others a huge opportunity to advance their agenda.

So the other facet of a ‘fake virus’ is of running the fear leverage on a false basis.
Regardless of virus theory. This novel virus hasn’t been isolated and proven to be the cause of disease. Even if the testing was reliable and standardised, what is really being tested for?
Claims are made for isolation as headlines for articles that do not establish the fact. The blind trust in science is as unfounded as blindly trusting the banking system or politicians.

So by all means focus on what is meaningful to you, but if you start attacking others who are doing the same with what they find meaningful, then you enact the thing you accuse in others. I don’t say not to challenge what you don’t support, but you have to engage with rather than judge over and smear by accusation.

Regardless of virus theory or any scam of media serving pharma invested agenda, the lockdowns and draconian regulations are entirely unwarranted and indefensible.
But while the controlled demolition called covid-19 is a multithreaded orchestration of agenda leveraged via coercion and deceit, the means to do so is from the wielding of virus theory to capture the minds and the institutions and regulators and politicians, as both great fear and great profit and control, founded in deceit or self-illusion.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 16, 2020 1:02 AM
Reply to  Binra

Binra:

A) Where did you get the impression that I needed a primer on the “Covid-19 Hoax”? Where have I written anything that is pro-“Covid-19 Hoax”?

And: B) I’m curious as to what clues tipped you off to “question the belief” in the reality of viruses. Some of these clues would have to be medical, of course, or there would be the distinct possibility that you were merely misinterpreting the fact that TFIC are spinning lies regarding certain viruses, quite independent of the validity (or not) of Virus Theory.

Remember: I don’t need a run-down of why you think TFIC would hoax Virus Theory itself; I’m only interested in the observations that led you to conclude that “all viruses are a hoax.”

For example: I began to suspect (after initially being horrified by the reports of the event) that “Sandy Hook” was a Hoax when I observed that not one of the many “parents” who were interviewed, mere hours after the “massacre,” showed any signs of grief. One “oddball” parent I could accept, but a dozen? After that, the deeper I looked, the odder it all became: all the stories/ interviews had a thoroughly unreal, theatrical (nearly idiotic) feel. So that was the mechanism of my disbelief which, initially, had nothing to do with theories of why (or how) such a hoax would be perpetrated. The starting point were these extraordinarily glaring clues.

What are yours regarding Virus Theory?

Binra
Binra
Oct 16, 2020 4:19 PM

I responded to your association of ‘fake virus theory’ with crackpot disinfo fed to ‘normies’. I wasn’t implying you ‘needed’ anything. I feel there is a paradigm-shifting opportunity in ‘terrain theory’ as the expansion and embrace of ‘psycho-pathogenic’ ‘feary’ within a living and connected perspective.

‘Distancing’ to psychopathogenic thinking is survival or salvation – and attacking the whole (divide and rule) is its predicate OF which it has no recognition BUT which it projects onto its world and in specific, projects to scapegoat or false flag in order to attack it there, or divert attention and funding accordingly.

I have never been invested in the pharma model, nor in the kind of reductionist science that spawned it. So I have had very little interaction with it though out my adult life. But nor did I seek to understand why. It wasn’t a focus of interest.

Changes in life brought me to re-evaluate or investigate some of the scientific narratives that underpin our social and political world, and with this came a willingness to look into areas that I assumed were settled science, such as the cancer industry, polio and AIDS. In the course or uncovering the actual history became clear that the narrative for contagious threat was used to hide toxic damage, while providing a new basis upon which to generate ‘healthcare measures’.

Terrain theory does not deny what we see as viral particles to exist – where they can in fact be observed (though there are some who say that electron microscopy inherently generates artefacts), but it does not regard them as the agency of causation.

As for the coronavirus. It was immediately recognisable as another iteration of an ongoing leverage – as is more widely known in swine flu but less perhaps in other precedents (mentioned). But also shouts its signature in all that it provokes and baits to reaction. If you recognise the pattern, it wont make any difference what the format is. So I chose not to engage with the proffered baiting until it became obvious that for whatever reasons the reaction to this one was globally orchestrated or ‘incentivised’ and had deep traction in terms of lockstepping all institutional authorities or services to compliance.

Then I looked for such facts as were claimed or asserted or assumed and followed the dots. But I was already aware of a substantial body of research and evidence that calls the medical monopoly or indeed a medical mafia, into question.

So the claim of hoax or fake can be misleading because disease ‘clusters’ are sought out, virologists (not toxicologists) are paid to investigate, media are fed narratives that run along with ritual theatre that can be seen through, (they don’t try to make it foolproof and can be said to let you know that they are props for narratives – if you care to actually see) – and all kinds of heavy reactions are implemented some of which do harm of kill.

A detective sifts through the stories and evidences to establish what can be known and what can be a false lead or pet belief.
Discernment of truth is not a divide and rule, but a recognition of the whole in expression – through apparent divisions, conflicts and assertive denials.

I don’t seek believers or converted ‘normals’ but to grow in the willingness to discern or notice dissonance of incoherency within what we are framed or normalised to think from.

There are many facets or levels to our experience in the world and the psychopathic alien imposition, or hijacking, is one way of looking at it. But one that gives power away as if to escape its responsibility… or guilt.

Setting up a foreign agent as the cause of our own conflict, relives us of addressing it where it truly is – especially is fear interprets exposure as total loss of face (self) or as damnation.

Narrative self justification on which your life depends is held onto against all odds and at any cost. Questioning the narrative opens a choice to NOT be driven BY it. But direct attack will meet deep and active defence.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 16, 2020 1:04 AM
Reply to  Binra

(I’ve responded but I’m waiting to get out of Spam Prison)

Arby
Arby
Oct 16, 2020 1:33 AM

I found you to be hard to follow. I don’t exactly what you said.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 16, 2020 8:16 AM
Reply to  Arby

Hmmm, Arby, can’t help you with that.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Oct 16, 2020 1:06 PM

That’s a great comment – please consider expanding it and submitting it for ATL!

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 16, 2020 1:21 PM

“That’s a great comment – please consider expanding it and submitting it for ATL!”

Thanks very much, Admin1; to be quite honest, that comment is the best I can do at expressing that sentiment… I’m not very good at padding ideas to get the word-count up! Laugh.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Oct 19, 2020 3:01 AM

I don’t understand. There are just as many notes, Majesty, as are required. Neither more nor less.

We’ll say no more of it then! Nice comment though. A2

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 19, 2020 7:03 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

You do an astoundingly accurate Tom Hulce impression, Admin2! Nice one.

May Hem
May Hem
Oct 15, 2020 10:36 PM

Canada will be turned into a giant prison camp.

These horrific plans were leaked by an annonymous member of their Liberal Party. It lists the intentions for Canada in the near future by their Strategic Planning Committee.

See link below for the whole ghastly list. This is just one part of it ……

The federal government will offer to eliminate all personal debts (mortgages, loans, credit cards, etc) which all funding will be provided to Canada by the IMF under what will become known as the World Debt Reset program.

In exchange for acceptance of this total debt forgiveness the individual would forfeit ownership of any and all property and assets forever.

The individual would also have to agree to partake in the COVID-19 and COVID-21 vaccination schedule, which would provide the individual with unrestricted travel and unrestricted living even under a full lock down (through the use of photo identification referred to as Canada’s HealthPass) .

Committee members asked who would become the owner of the forfeited property and assets in that scenario and what would happen to lenders or financial institutions, we were simply told “the World Debt Reset program will handle all of the details”.

Several committee members also questioned what would happen to individuals if they refused to participate in the World Debt Reset program, or the HealthPass, or the vaccination schedule, and the answer we got was very troubling. Essentially we were told it was our duty to make sure we came up with a plan to ensure that would never happen. We were told it was in the individuals best interest to participate.

When several committee members pushed relentlessly to get an answer we were told that those who refused would first live under the lock down restrictions indefinitely.

https://www.nexusnewsfeed.com/article/geopolitics/canadian-control-measures-just-the-tip-of-the-earth-sized-iceberg

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Oct 15, 2020 11:34 PM
Reply to  May Hem

Just read this… and my jaw hit the ground.
This will be everywhere, and you know what’s already been happening here in Victoria. The absolute treachery is beyond words. Comply with what we say, or be locked up forever. Stalin would have blushed at this. Will try and share as widely as possible.

THX-1143
THX-1143
Oct 16, 2020 12:16 AM
Reply to  May Hem

that doesn’t smell like disinfo bullshit, at all.

kevin
kevin
Oct 16, 2020 12:32 AM
Reply to  May Hem

After everything we have witnessed and experienced in 2020, these horrific plans sound plausible. In fact, they are congruent with everything we know about the WEF’s Great Reset. If this is legitimate, it’s confirmation of our worst fears. Let’s hope it’s fake.

THX-1143
THX-1143
Oct 16, 2020 3:29 AM
Reply to  kevin

Let’s hope it’s fake.

it’s obviously fake. and a far-right fake, at that.

Someone
Someone
Oct 16, 2020 5:12 AM
Reply to  THX-1143

Why do you think that? Because it was allegedly a “dissident liberal”?

THX-1143
THX-1143
Oct 16, 2020 7:41 AM
Reply to  Someone

because even under the Official Story, there’s no rational connection between “debt forgiveness” and “lockdown restrictions”. if they ever attempted to sell that, it would be an open admission of the utter fraudulence of the entire COVID-1984 narrative.

it’s complete nonsense, a far-right delusional fantasy.

Someone
Someone
Oct 16, 2020 9:11 AM
Reply to  THX-1143

I really don’t know. One could connect debt forgiveness to the official story via “ohh the pandemic made everybody poorer”. It’s far-fetched, but the people who still believe the official story will believe anything.

kevin
kevin
Oct 16, 2020 2:59 PM
Reply to  Someone

I agree. They could sell it. It’s already been proven that most people will believe anything they’re told.

kevin
kevin
Oct 16, 2020 2:55 PM
Reply to  THX-1143

Even if it’s a fantasy, I don’t see how it’s a far-right one.

May Hem
May Hem
Oct 16, 2020 5:15 AM
Reply to  THX-1143

This info has been leaked from an anonymous source, that’s true, and I don’t blame the person for remaining anonymous. So I can’t verify the source at this stage. I also hope its fake – but somehow I doubt it.

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 16, 2020 5:19 AM
Reply to  THX-1143

I wish it was fake. But I doubt it.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/imf-seizes-on-covid-crisis-to-pave-way-for-privatization-in-81-countries/271917/

Canadian Military orders massive amounts of Tear Gas and is scouting for Quarantine camps:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/dAFXX7jg9g3Y/

May Hem
May Hem
Oct 16, 2020 10:46 AM
Reply to  Researcher

The International Monetary Fund has granted debt relief/forgiveness to 25 poor countries for a six month period “to help them meet the costs incurred in fighting the pandemic”. This ends on 31 october 2020. I cannot find the conditions imposed by the IMF for this dispensation. They try to make us believe that the IMF has generously cancelled debts owed to them by these poor (and expoited) countries.

But you can be sure that the IMF will want their pound of flesh. Its called ‘asset stripping’, or ‘theft’. So I can believe that their ‘covid relief’ program for all countries will be an offer to forgive any private person who has debts …… with conditions attached.

I may be wrong, but I suspect that their plans for Canada, in my previous post, will also be their plan for all countries, starting with the OECD ones first, where most of the populations have been primed by the lockdowns and fear campaigns.

https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2020/04/13/pr20151-imf-executive-board-approves-immediate-debt-relief-for-25-countries

May Hem
May Hem
Oct 16, 2020 11:23 AM
Reply to  May Hem
kevin
kevin
Oct 16, 2020 3:12 PM
Reply to  May Hem

Yes, the IMF has always demanded its pound of flesh. In the 1980s, there were “conditionalities” attached to its loans to poor countries. These consisted of “structural adjustment” programs which privatized virtually everything so transnational corporations could buy up all of the assets at rock-bottom prices. The IMF is a global loan sharking operation.

Roberto
Roberto
Oct 16, 2020 7:10 PM
Reply to  kevin

Not virually everything, but state corporations were the target, usually insolvent, inefficient, and run by Party bosses, as personal piggy banks subsidised by the state.

May Hem
May Hem
Oct 16, 2020 10:49 PM
Reply to  Roberto

Deliberately run down so they would be vulnerable to takeover (at very low price) for the aggressive corporations and their mates in the IMF. All public assets will be privatised (piratised) in the new world order.

Include private assets belonging to you and me – they will want these as well.

Roberto
Roberto
Oct 16, 2020 6:51 PM
Reply to  May Hem

The Canadian Constitution, despite many calls to amend it under both Conservative and Liberal governments for the past 30 years still does not embrace property rights.
Canada also has, and uses, the wonderful Orders in Council, which allows implementation of virtually any policy the government wishes, with no debate in parliament, and which is created in secrecy. In other venues this would be known as a Dictator’s Decree.
But parliament is old hat anyway; to be simply suspended it if there’s too much heat. Debating is tedious, and the public may find out things if the state media, and bought media slips up and informs them. The few small media outlets that try are demonised and prohibited from attending government ‘press conferences’ and events; literally run off by security.
Recently, in the Ontario parliament, an independent member inquired about a Federal invitation to quote for the construction of detainment centres. He received a boilerplate answer, stood to ask a supplementary question to receive an actual response to his question, and was instructed by the Speaker to ‘be seated’.

May Hem
May Hem
Oct 16, 2020 10:50 PM
Reply to  Roberto
John Goss
John Goss
Oct 15, 2020 10:10 PM

He makes some good points, even though most of us are aware of the parallels already. What is needed is not just the observation of what is going on, and of course that’s important, but what can be done about it. We need to have a retaliatory plan. It needs to be good. That’s what we should be talking about. But not on here. That makes it difficult.

Where they want a cashless society, we should insist on a society which uses cash. or start a currency of our own. They killed Muammar Gaddafi – because he aimed to start a currency in competition with the petro-dollar. They killed Ceausescu because Romania was a communist country and had got rid of its national debt. These men by mainstream media were portrayed as pariahs – and it stuck.

I mentioned in a previous comment my reconnaissance where I set off on my bike to see how I could get along with cash alone without tracking devices – Garmin, mobile phone. I failed on the first day. But I learnt a lot. I cannot share what I learnt on an electronic device because our enemy would know. However there are still public telephones that take cash. There are none where I live. How long they will be around I suspect is limited.

We need to be thinking alternatives. And ways to communicate them other than carrier pigeon.

By the way does anyone else have problems with the cursor flitting about willy-nilly? I can be writing away and suddenly the typed text ends up elsewhere in the comment. Even in Word. I don’t know if this shit comes directly from Bill Gates’ Microsoft automatic downloads or what.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 15, 2020 10:50 PM
Reply to  John Goss

“However there are still public telephones that take cash. There are none where I live. How long they will be around I suspect is limited.”

The Next Best Thing would be using rather old, rather cheap “Dumb” Phones that run on (no name) credit rather than a contract. A compromise of sorts that seriously cuts down on the mobile’s function as your State Informant.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 15, 2020 10:55 PM

“Even in Word. I don’t know if this shit comes directly from Bill Gates’ Microsoft automatic downloads or what.”

Try A) replacing your wireless mouse with a good old USB mouse, or B) clean the fuzz-gunk, accumulating around the little tracking ball in your non-laser mouse, with tweezers or C) change mouse batteries D) look to the surface you’re using as the “mouse pad”… is it reflective?

John Goss
John Goss
Oct 15, 2020 11:47 PM

Thanks Steven. I agree I should have an older computer. The trouble is all mine have been brought down and I’ve got one with a pad and it is a mouse pad. It reflects if that is what reflective means. It is well worn in the middle.

THX-1143
THX-1143
Oct 16, 2020 3:37 AM
Reply to  John Goss

he means get a proper USB mouse, not one of those stupid trackpads. I don’t know how anybody can get anything done with those stupid things. maybe that’s the point; you’re not supposed to get anything done. leave that to the Proper Authorities, while you dumb plebs play with Fakebook and Shwitter.

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mgeo
mgeo
Oct 16, 2020 8:16 AM
Reply to  THX-1143

For all the talk of smart devices, the PC and laptop were too smart and independent for the schemers. Hence the propaganda and pressure to herd the flock back to dumb trackable terminals – that must download everything including apps on the fly.

John Goss
John Goss
Oct 15, 2020 11:48 PM

Where can you get old gear these days which isn’t worn out?

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 16, 2020 12:08 AM
Reply to  John Goss

Get a formerly-cutting-edge PC from c. ten years ago; look in the “classifieds,” always better to purchase from private parties and stick to the rule of a low budget… buy from a Gamer, probably and suck all the dust out as soon as you buy it (and try to avoid any Operating System later than Windows 8, just as you should avoid Macs.) If it uses at least 16gb of ram, it will probably work for the foreseeable future online. I am absolutely NO PC expert, btw. I use three PCs and the serious one (for editing) never goes online; my online workhorse I’ve been using for almost ten years now, zero problems, cost me 200 Euros new. NEVER let Windows update automatically…

THX-1143
THX-1143
Oct 16, 2020 4:01 AM

try to avoid any Operating System later than Windows 8, just as you should avoid Macs.

sensible advice would be to avoid both Microsoft AND Apple, like the plague. (the real plague, not COVID-1984)

If it uses at least 16gb of ram, it will probably work for the foreseeable future online.

a quarter of that would be more than sufficient for what most people want to do, especially if used in conjunction with serious software systems, not the mass-market crap designed for retarded five-year-olds.

my online workhorse I’ve been using for almost ten years now, zero problems, cost me 200 Euros new.

it will probably work even better for you, if you replace Windows with software whose design objective was something other than maximizing Bill Gates’ fortune. (you can run it from a USB flashdrive initially, without touching the hard drive, to see if you like it.)

NEVER let Windows update automatically…

the simplest way to assure yourself of that, would be to never use Windows at all. problem solved.

https://linuxmint.com/download.php

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THX-1143
THX-1143
Oct 16, 2020 4:09 AM
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THX-1143
THX-1143
Oct 16, 2020 3:46 AM
Reply to  John Goss

computers don’t “wear out”, except possibly the hard-drive ball-bearings.

the usual problem is that the crappy defective-by-design proprietary software systems are fulfilling their design objectives. fortunately, there’s a (free) alternative.

https://linuxmint.com/screenshots.php

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Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 16, 2020 8:10 AM
Reply to  THX-1143

You obviously know what you’re talking about! Being not much of a tech-guy myself, I usually resent having to learn new protocols every time I buy a piece of hardware, or install new software… converting my office to Linux is something I considered years ago… at this point, to be honest, I’ll probably never get that ambitious again, but, in case I do, I’m saving this thread!

THX-1143
THX-1143
Oct 16, 2020 11:38 AM

you can run Linux from a USB flashdrive, to try it out, without installing it on your hard drive and affecting your existing OS, unless and until you decide to.

https://linuxmint-installation-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/burn.html

https://linuxmint-installation-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/install.html

John Goss
John Goss
Oct 16, 2020 11:22 AM
Reply to  John Goss

Thank you Steven Augustine and THX-1143 for your helpful comments. I’ve tried downloading Linux alternatives before but they did not work, or I did not understand them sufficiently to make them work. There never seem to be instructions and when you get to the Command Prompt you don’t know what to do. Is Mint different? Can I still access my documents?

THX-1143
THX-1143
Oct 16, 2020 11:58 AM
Reply to  John Goss

as long as you’re running Linux from a flashdrive, you can access your existing documents on the hard disk.

if you decide to permanently install Linux on the hard drive, you should copy any files you want to save onto another flashdrive or external disk, and then copy them back after the installation.

another option is to only dedicate part of the hard disk to Linux, while leaving the rest of it to your existing Windows system. in that case, you can decide which OS you want to run, each time you boot the computer. files in the Windows partition would be accessible while running Linux, but not the other way around.

if you do decide to set up a dual-OS system, it would still be wise to backup your files to an external drive, before installation, in case something went wrong.

https://linuxmint-installation-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/multiboot.html

John Goss
John Goss
Oct 16, 2020 2:02 PM
Reply to  THX-1143

I’m trying THX-1143. When it gets to bits like this I’m lost. It does not tell you how without going to a command prompt.

Integrity checkTo check the integrity of your local ISO file, generate its SHA256 sum and compare it with the sum present in sha256sum.txt.

sha256sum -b yourfile.iso
John Goss
John Goss
Oct 16, 2020 2:08 PM
Reply to  John Goss

The disc Image File has been downloaded successfully. Do I just copy this to a memory stick and try to run from it?

John Goss
John Goss
Oct 16, 2020 2:44 PM
Reply to  John Goss

I’ve downloaded the missing SHA256 files and still it will not load. My computer is HP. No can’t get it to work.

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 15, 2020 10:07 PM

You really missed the mark.

Working from Home:
Decimation of jobs, industries, business, production and economies.
Loss of social interaction and collegiality or workplace friendships, increased numbers of casual workers with no rights, telework or remote work eventually leads to mass automation, algorithms, redundant jobs, less physical movement freedom, smaller social and work circles, less on the job less training, no interning, less mentoring, less ability to move sideways or up within a corporation. Creates disposable, unseen, unknown employees.

Mandatory Masks:
Projects a state of fear, impersonalization of self and others, lack of identity or individuality, reduces visual face cues, oxygen deprivation, increased upper respiratory infections, less social interaction, no smiling, inhibits communication, increases animosity and paranoia. Learning to follow arbitrary or harmful rules, imposed detrimental measures. Creates a fake market and increases profits for mask makers, increases trash and unnecessary consumption. An added unneeded expense.

Social Distancing:
Reduces physical contact, reduces immunity, Creates feelings of isolation and increases feelings of antipathy and disconnectedness towards others. Arbitrary rules and distances creates focus on external protocols, following rules. Decimation of jobs, industries, business and economies.

Cashless Society:
Digital dollars can be rescinded. Bank accounts can be wiped and bail-ins can occur without restriction. Instant Fines by the state. Instant taxes, instant bill payments removes the ability to dispute. No recourse for resolving errors. Social Credit system, mass surveillance capitalism and forced cooperation system to use digital dollars with integrated under-skin nanochip.

Travel Restrictions:
Banning movement to force laws around travel including increased testing, vaccines and immunity passports. Restricting earnings by restricting migration and immigration. Impoverishment, decimation of tourism. Destruction of western economy.

Curfew:
Accustom people to medical martial law and restricted social interaction. Foster a police state atmosphere. Increase fear of repercussions or reprisals for rule breaking. Enhanced paranoia of others and their “movements”. Encourage snitching.

Track and Trace:
Rounding up dissidents, dissenters, non compliant, associates, friends, sending to quarantine camps. Tracing all physical movements. Removing all personal, physical privacy laws. Making all interactions known to the state for data collection, analyzation and future exploitation.

This is a GLOBAL banking, industry, medical, technocratic, security state and UN takeover, the precursor to a tyrannical one world government with military central command and control run by Artificial Intelligence in conjunction with Agenda 21 which is a UN depopulation agenda.

May Hem
May Hem
Oct 15, 2020 10:45 PM
Reply to  Researcher

Thanks Researcher – great list. This important point left out re an individual’s private property.

Under the IMF’s “World Debt Re-set Program”, all debts will be forgiven. In exchange for acceptance of this total debt forgiveness the individual would forfeit ownership of any and all property and assets forever.

More details of their horrendous plans for us included in this website which focuses on Canada, but this is planned for every country in the very near future.

https://www.nexusnewsfeed.com/article/geopolitics/canadian-control-measures-just-the-tip-of-the-earth-sized-iceberg

May Hem
May Hem
Oct 15, 2020 11:01 PM
Reply to  May Hem

Here’s another point to add to your list, Researcher:

Transhumanism:
Reducing humans to micro-chipped surveillance and unquestioning obedience. Total dependence on the control system. Merging with machines. Disposable if not profitable for the ‘impact investors’.

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 16, 2020 4:46 AM
Reply to  May Hem

Thanks Mary. Good addition. I was replying to an earlier post that vanished. Most strange.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Oct 15, 2020 11:43 PM
Reply to  Researcher

Just a trivial point about social distancing: I happen to watch a TV soap twice a week. I’m not proud of that fact, except that it’s in a language other than my first language, and it’s a language I’m trying to learn (or improve in). Anyway, like most of these things, it must be filmed months in advance, and it seems they’ve only just now caught up with Covid-19 in the storyline.

Although they haven’t mentioned the virus, and no one is wearing a mask, for the first time, I’ve noticed all the characters studiously obeying social distancing, and it looks weird. Even more so in the outside scenes, which tend to dominate. e.g. in one of these, an “illicit” couple have met on the beach, well away from where her husband could see them, and they are intensely discussing their future. And they are probably well over 2 metres from each other; more like 4 or 5. It looks very odd. Especially when you consider that until recently, the characters were, ahem, exchanging bodily fluids with each other, off camera, of course, but that was the distinct message we were getting.

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 16, 2020 2:41 AM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Lol I saw a bit of one accidentally and noticed it too! Yesterday. How weird.

Fact Checker
Fact Checker
Oct 16, 2020 3:37 AM
Reply to  Researcher

The Machine knows damn well monkey-see-monkey-do. It is now displaying only visual content on the Slave-O-Vision that conforms to Its Meat-Space edicts.

Fact Checker
Fact Checker
Oct 16, 2020 3:34 AM
Reply to  Researcher

Social Distancing: prevents even the humblest non-electronically-mediated communication: whispering.

All communication must be mediated by the Machine, logged and analyzed. If any verbal intercourse should unfortunately occur in-person, it must be at such a distance and volume that a nearby microphone can pick it up! For logging and analysis, of course.

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 16, 2020 4:29 AM
Reply to  Fact Checker

Ha! How remiss of me to think I could ever have a private conversation again without Deep Mind, Alexa and Siri eavesdropping.

All types of intercourse are apparently unwanted in Canada, where you must wear a mask during sex and no kissing. They’re banking on a future society of mimetic post-millennials who only know onanism.

May Hem
May Hem
Oct 16, 2020 5:23 AM
Reply to  Researcher

Reminds me of an old joke – why don’t Scottish Presbyterians encourage having sex while standing? Because it might lead to dancing! (Ha Ha Ha)

Laughter – feared by the pleasure-hating billionaires club. They are trying to turn fun and laughter into an endangered species.

Ort
Ort
Oct 16, 2020 8:45 PM
Reply to  May Hem

I know that joke in its opposite form, and applied to a different Protestant sect:

Why don’t Southern Baptists have sex standing up?

Because they’re afraid people will think they’re dancing.

Ort
Ort
Oct 16, 2020 8:47 PM
Reply to  Fact Checker

That’s only half the story. Social Distancing also prevents another form of humble non-electronically-mediated communication: passing notes.

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 16, 2020 4:42 AM
Reply to  Researcher

By the way, this was in REPLY TO ANOTHER PERSON’S POST which has been removed… I have no idea why.

So my post appears odd! Like a non sequitur.

Kevin’s presentation was excellent.

mgeo
mgeo
Oct 16, 2020 8:30 AM
Reply to  Researcher

Masks also provide new opportunities for crime, e.g snatch theft.

Nick
Nick
Oct 19, 2020 6:09 PM
Reply to  Researcher

We could always start with the basics. Take off the masks. It is the easiest way to send the message that we know you are lying. In my job i have only encountered 2 people out of several hundred,in last 3 months, that believe the narrative. And i don’t mean have researched like you have. They instinctively know it’s a load of shite. I would bet on scotland,with its population of 6 million,having 4.5 million of that disbelieving the script. Thats more than enough for critical mass to just ignore sturgeon and return to our own normal. Just disobey then ignore the tool. They send in the army and pull a trigger,politicians will bleed too. I can’t see any other recourse.

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 19, 2020 6:59 PM
Reply to  Nick

Yeah. Masks off. I don’t wear a mask.

Tony
Tony
Oct 15, 2020 9:33 PM

US financial expert, Jim Sinclair, has been predicting a worldwide financial crash and economic reset for a number of years. Last year, he and his business partner, Bill Holter, claimed that the crash was imminent, and that a false flag would be used as an excuse for this crash and the subsequent economic reset. Like most mainstream public figures, Jim and Bill have always been reluctant to discuss 9/11 for fear of being labelled ‘the new David Icke’, or similar. Similarly, they are also cicumspect about the nature of covid19 in public interviews. They believe that they can get their message across by using irrefutable financial data.

This is a short recording I took from the weekly discussion on the premium section of Jsmineset.com, where Jim discusses the link between 9/11 and covid19. He also alludes to the occult leanings of the people behind both scams.

https://we.tl/t-vVLovCeXv3

Rhesus Chr1st
Rhesus Chr1st
Oct 15, 2020 8:28 PM

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-W/vsak-wrfu
“Covid-19 deaths” median age is higher than median age of people who died of all causes. What other disease can increase life expectancy?

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 15, 2020 8:24 PM

9-11 aka The War on Terra aka the War on The Constitution, Civil Liberties and the permanent suspension of Habeas Corpus.

Covid19 aka The Great Reset aka Agenda 21 aka the Abolition of the Magna Carta and Habeas Corpus, globally.

Doctortrinate
Doctortrinate
Oct 15, 2020 8:13 PM

911 Air combat command exercises – Crown/corona Guardian & as mentioned by Mr Ryan, Apollo Guardian – as Apollo 11 – that earlier densely destructive step to reduce the ability to analyse and asses, and ingrain the spaced out Luna’tic reality of the fantasista.

Ken Garoo
Ken Garoo
Oct 15, 2020 7:50 PM

I made a similar comparison in my now disappeared post (#125) to a blog entry of a well-known bloggeuriste attempting to blind with science.

https://web.archive.org/web/20201014204834/https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/10/professor-chossudovsky-is-wrong-here-is-how-pcr-tests-work/comments/page/2/#comments

This bloggeuriste appears to be totally oblivious to contingency table analysis that underlies all epidemiological analysis, as explained in a clear fashion by a guest epidemiologist on Dr Kendrick’s blog.

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/09/28/false-positive-tests/

Summary – even a test with (an unheard of) 99% specificity gives 5 times as many false positives as true positives at the current observed disease prevalence.

It is amusing to see his accolytes referring to qualified epidemilogists and medics as newbies.

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 15, 2020 8:32 PM
Reply to  Ken Garoo

At 45 cycles they’ll all be positive.

A rigged test to defraud the public.

richard
richard
Oct 15, 2020 9:49 PM
Reply to  Ken Garoo

From michel chossudovsky – globalresearch.ca

“the issue about false positives is a red herring because even a true positive doesn’t mean you have (c19) – it could be any virus – like the common cold – and also it doesn’t mean you are infected or are infectious.”

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 16, 2020 4:31 AM
Reply to  richard

True. It’s all actually a red herring since there is no virus circulating.

Rhesus Chr1st
Rhesus Chr1st
Oct 15, 2020 7:42 PM

First, prove the existence of a new virus. Second, prove that this virus is the cause of a new disease. If the threat is nonexistent, the response is not disproportionate, it’s unnecessary.

kevin
kevin
Oct 15, 2020 6:39 PM

The essence of it all is fear. Sadly, the majority will choose tyranny over freedom if the fear level is high enough. When the fear level is reduced to low levels, the majority is more likely to opt for rights and freedom. The ruling class is of course well aware of this reality, which is why fear is pushed 24/7. A fearful population will accept mass vaccination, health passports, surveillance apps, and other authoritarian/totalitarian measures. Without fear they are likely to reject these measures, at least through non-compliance.

Therefore the focus should be on finding a way to combat the fear mongering. Ideally it would be accomplished by debunking the official Covid plague narrative. However, given most of the public’s unwilligness to ask even the most obvious questions about the narrative, this approach may not work. Perhaps a good slogan to disseminate would be “Freedom Not Fear” or “Hope Not Fear.” Something along those lines that explicitly rejects fear. IMO that should be our message. Our only hope for restoring our freedoms and thwarting totalitarianism lies in eliminating, or at least reducing, the level of fear in the general population.

Watt
Watt
Oct 15, 2020 6:55 PM
Reply to  kevin

Let’s go the whole hog, Kevin.

The slogan and cry is..

‘Get Covid done by Xmas!’, to paraphrase an otiose, rictus puppet.

On that day, around Xmas coming, on the awaited signal, all of the people in all of the land gather in their local village greens, town squares, city precincts and metro boros. No permission required nor sought. We, the people will gather in tremendous numbers and declare our freedom. Sing a few carols and the like. When we’re good and ready..

After a good day’s freedom winning…it’s down the…what??.. Lockdown? ‘Lock in’ more like.
Just those numbers needed!

kevin
kevin
Oct 15, 2020 10:30 PM
Reply to  Watt

That would make make for a great Christmas movie.

Watt
Watt
Oct 16, 2020 2:23 AM
Reply to  kevin

Cheap to produce, also. Just a few million volunteer extras, plus lanterns and music! Coffee and sannies..then Take it away..Action!!

Anita
Anita
Oct 15, 2020 8:41 PM
Reply to  kevin

Truth not Fear

kevin
kevin
Oct 15, 2020 9:41 PM
Reply to  Anita

Yes, very good.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Oct 15, 2020 6:12 PM

Re: “the incessant fear-based media coverage.”

Ryan (@11:40): “It was around the first week of March when a switch was flipped . . .”

Is this something which could be compiled by the readers at OffG? For instance, I was recently looking at Zero Hedge who were relentlessly pushing fear-porn around early March. See:
https://off-guardian.org/2020/10/08/who-accidentally-confirms-covid-is-no-more-dangerous-than-flu/#comment-255696

When did sites like MoA flip the switch?

Ken Garoo
Ken Garoo
Oct 15, 2020 8:06 PM

25 Jan 2020 The Coronavirus – no need to panic
1 Feb 2020 Novel Coronavirus defies conspiracy theories as data shows its coming decline
8 Feb 2020 The epidemic recedes – number of new coronavirus cases in decline
13 Feb 2020 Coronavirus – statistical change causes confusion while the new case count continues to decline
6 Mar 2020 Coronavirus – bad preparation and propaganda increase the onsetting panic
9 Mar 2020 Is the coronavirus really more dangerous than the flu?
11 Mar 2020 Coronavirus – the hidden cases – why we must shut everything down and do it now

So MoA flipped 180 degrees between his posts on 9 and 11 March 2020, also taking on the imperious ‘We’.

I guess the 11 March post may give a clue – maybe he panicked because he is a self-admitted heavy smoker?

Ken Garoo
Ken Garoo
Oct 15, 2020 8:22 PM
Reply to  Ken Garoo

Bad form to reply to own posting – but the WHO officially declared a pandemic on 10-11 March. MoA flipped instantly taking up the vaccine promoters’ fear-driven agenda.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Oct 15, 2020 8:34 PM
Reply to  Ken Garoo

I haven’t checked it, but my memory of Zero Hedge is that the fear-porn was ramped up over a couple weeks rather than there being a dramatic switch.

Ken Garoo
Ken Garoo
Oct 16, 2020 10:14 AM

ZH is largely a reposting site aimed at getting clicks so it is more variable.

2 Mar “Pandemic proportions”: COVID-19 is starting to spiral out of control all over the globe
4 Mar Six reasons why Covid-19 fails the sniff test
6 Mar Will the Coronavirus topple China’s one-party regime?
8 Mar “This is the most frightening disease I’ve ever encountered in my career” says architect of National Pandemic Strategy
10 Mar “Mission Accomplished”?: President Xi declares victory over Coronavirus in visit to Wuhan
11 Mar UK Health Minister tests positive for COVID-19
13 Mar Canada’s First Lady tests positive for the Coronavirus

It was a big pusher of ‘Wuhan Flu’ with China as a source of a biological weapon. Ironically, the virus highly likely wasn’t created specifically as a weapon, but the politicos have exploited its appearance as a weapon initially to bash China, and now the rest of the world.

It looks like Big Pharma went full out on 10 Mar just as China was hinting the problem was going away. It was their opportunity to exploit the event.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Oct 16, 2020 11:44 AM
Reply to  Ken Garoo

There’s usually a lot of randomness in the selection of articles by ZH. However, as I note at the above link, around early March there was a consistent and strong bias toward covid fear-porn. It was almost wall-to-wall covid and got the point where I stopped checking the site.

WRT the possibility of covid being lab-created, people have a default tendency to assume that the virus would therefore be exceptionally deadly. However, I would assume that they create far more duds than killers, and covid appears to be in the former category.

Tomoola Sitchin
Tomoola Sitchin
Oct 16, 2020 12:28 AM

Moon of Alabama sold out very early. MoA’s B swallowed the official narrative hook line and sinker so quickly that the site seems to be just another planned part of the Covid-19 package. B’s apparent common sense and good judgement disappeared instantly once the Covid-19 panic button was pressed. I would guess MoA was always a controlled site and was set up to suck in those with alternative views, gain their trust and then beat them over the head with the official Covid nonsense when the time came. Why anyone with half a brain would still go there is now well beyond me.

Chevrus
Chevrus
Oct 16, 2020 6:23 PM

And this is kind of a bummer. Lot’s of insight in most of his other research.
But not once has he questioned the official narrative, not the possible underlying causes NOTHING.

Thom
Thom
Oct 15, 2020 6:03 PM

The 21st century opened with the premeditated false flag event of 9/11. Later in 2008 there was the massive bank bailouts.Then there was the plandemic. In between the 1st event and the current one their were other scattered coronavirus mini false flags. Agenda 2030 is their timeline for the completion of their control grid….and beyond. Unless they can be stopped.
So yeah, there is a linear link between 9/11 and this plandemic.

Just like the 20th century, which early on had the U.S. federal reserve enacted. Soviet Bolshevism and ww1. The arseholes who run the world have everything mapped out for each century ahead.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Oct 15, 2020 6:47 PM
Reply to  Thom

And add to those crises born of scams, and the opening of the 21st Century, the 2000 California Electricity Crisis.

I’ve posted about this on several other threads, and will add it to this one, because it serves as a template for large scale collusion among “players” of the power elites. Some cursory study of it will show just how many fingerprints of that crime (at a totally criminal price tag of $45 billion) have SO many “points of similarity” –forensically– to the crimes you mention, and those entitled in this article. For just one most telling, note the “factor of 20 times, so like Neil Ferguson inflating CFR projections regularly –chronically– by 20x for his various pre-fab plandemics, as well as that “20x” number cropping up in other Covid stats:

From Wikipedia article: “Traders were thus able to sell power at premium prices, sometimes up to a factor of 20 times its normal value.”

At the very day and hour that crisis was peaking, 9/11 on cue began.

It could have served as the template for Covid1984 or several others. Maybe it did!

£4£&$4$~~~~~ Excerpt from Wikipedia article:

“The 2000–01 California electricity crisis, also known as the Western U.S. energy crisis of 2000 and 2001, was a situation in which the U.S. state of California had a shortage of electricity supply caused by market manipulationsand capped retail electricity prices.[5]The state suffered from multiple large-scale blackouts, one of the state’s largest energy companies collapsed, and the economic fall-out greatly harmed Governor Gray Davis’s standing. [Ed.: He was recalled, unique in California history, and many of the same players and interests are now exploiting the situation to circulate a petition, even as we post, to recall Gavin Newsom, also on the heels of the recent August electricity “shortage”.]

~~~~~~~~

Chronology[1][2][3]:

1996 California begins to modify controls on its energy market and takes measures ostensibly to increase competition.
September 23, 1996 Pete Wilson signs Electric Utility Industry Restructuring Act (Assembly Bill 1890) and it becomes law.[4]

April 1998 Spot market for energy begins operation.
May 2000 Significant rise in energy prices.
June 14, 2000 Blackouts affect 97,000 customers in San Francisco Bay area during a heat wave.
August 2000 San Diego Gas & Electric Company files a complaint alleging manipulation of the markets.
January 17–18, 2001 Blackouts affect several hundred thousand customers.
January 17, 2001 Governor Davis declares a state of emergency.
March 19–20, 2001 Blackouts affect 1.5 million customers.
April 2001 Pacific Gas & Electric Co. files for bankruptcy.
May 7–8, 2001 Blackouts affect upwards of 167,000 customers.
September 2001 Energy prices normalize.
December 2001 Following the bankruptcy of Enron, it is alleged that energy prices were manipulated by Enron.
February 2002 Federal Energy Regulatory Commission begins investigation of Enron’s involvement.
Winter 2002 The Enron Tapes scandal begins to surface.
November 13, 2003 Governor Davis ends the state of emergency.
_________

Drought, delays in approval of new power plants,[5]:109 and market manipulation decreased supply.[6] This caused an 800% increase in wholesale prices from April 2000 to December 2000.[7]:1 In addition, rolling blackoutsadversely affected many businesses dependent upon a reliable supply of electricity, and inconvenienced many retail consumers.

California had an installed generating capacity of 45 GW. At the time of the blackouts, demand was 28 GW. A demand-supply gap was created by energy companies, mainly Enron, to create an artificial shortage. Energy traders took power plants offline for maintenance in days of peak demand to increase the price.[8][6] Traders were thus able to sell power at premium prices, sometimes up to a factor of 20 times its normal value. Because the state government had a cap on retail electricity charges, this market manipulation squeezed the industry’s revenue margins, causing the bankruptcy of Pacific Gas and Electric Company (PG&E) and near bankruptcy of Southern California Edison in early 2001.[7]:2–3

The financial crisis was possible because of partial deregulation legislation instituted in 1996 by the California Legislature (AB 1890) and Governor Pete Wilson [ED.: Republican]. Enron took advantage of this deregulation and was involved in economic withholding and inflated price bidding in California’s spot markets.[9]

The crisis cost [Ed.: California taxpayers, mostly] between US$40 and $45 billion.

~~~~~

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 15, 2020 8:18 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Nice timeline. Excellent.

Enron price rigging, tax evasion, complicated offshore accounting entities and shell companies, stock manipulation and money laundering for the drug trade. The Enron ties actually go all the way to The City of London Corp. as does 9-11.

The investigations in the WTC, FBI offices and Pentagon Naval office where records were conveniently destroyed. There was a gold and silver market rigging investigation, around the time of 9-11, also.

Fast forward to today, the news is nothing but Covid19, and the financial malfeasance of global money laundering has slipped under the radar as a fingerprint-less non-event. The detrimental FinCEN SARs reports only point to a few stray players, not the cryptocracy who use major retail banks to launder drug money, organized crime money, human trafficking and other illegal activity. Not to mention the billions of fake stocks, bonds and financial products that are currently in circulation, courtesy of Cede & Co and the DTCC.

PG&E declares bankruptcy post Paradise fire. A fire purposefully created and enhanced by DEW and HAARP. Now the West coast is burning again from DEW and arsonists.

Appears to be a Rockefeller-Rothschild global energy and land consolidation. A faux climate crisis evolving as a new Maunder Minimum begins for the next 50-70 years.

Smart meters in every home monitoring all our energy activity and consumption. LED streetlights with 5g millimeter wave radiation emitted from hidden antennas. 20,000 5g satellites blanketing the earth, mapping every inch.

An all out war on humanity by a powerful club of several thousand billionaires and millionaire members.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Oct 15, 2020 11:50 PM
Reply to  Researcher

When you see these same patterns repeating over and over, you no longer need to lift actual fingerprints, the incessant repititions of the same modus operandi is enough to make the case. These facts all point to a cadre of big supervillains. Daylight-time vampires out and about, scarier and more dangerous than the undead nocturnal ones.

What to do? Brighter light of research is part of the cure perhaps. Even the daytime kind shun the light, and the radar.

Ironically, a neighbor’s son was the DOJ federal prosecutor who got a Houston jury to convict Ken Lay on all counts. He went to high school across the street from our church.

So at least those crimes and the perps came to light and were exposed.

But it was really just a negligible speed bump for that crowd, so far.

(Houston was the city where the 3 supervillains in the 2nd original Superman movie came to earth, after they were kicked off the planet Krypton. A cesspool of oligarch crimes, and haunt of the Bush Mob et al.

Even their baseball team, the Cheatin’ Astros!)

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 16, 2020 2:27 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

Indeed. But then again, they always get rid of a few sacrificial lambs. The ones further down in the chain of command.

It might be too late to shine a light on these cockroaches, since they have control of every NGO on earth because they created them all, anyway.

In Canada this is happening:

https://www.nexusnewsfeed.com/article/geopolitics/canadian-control-measures-just-the-tip-of-the-earth-sized-iceberg

Further confirmed by this:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/dAFXX7jg9g3Y/

which means that nobody except the Cryptocracy will be allowed any private property or assets next year after the global markets crash and the dollar collapses. All carefully orchestrated and planned, of course. And I know they can instigate the ICE9 freeze of bank accounts, money market accounts etc., due to this:

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica2/sociopol_globalbanking628.htm

Confirmed the new system will consist of the IMF special drawing rights:
https://ukuncensored.com/the-ice-nine-lockdown/

So it appears the cryptocracy through the IMF will take control of the world, end retail banking and offer a UBI but only if you get on the vaccine program and relinquish all property and assets.

For those who don’t cooperate, it’s quarantine. I know SERCO got a contract to manage the FEMA camps in the US through to 2023 for a ridiculous sum of 600m.

https://washingtonexec.com/2018/01/serco-wins-600m-fema-contract-to-support-disaster-recovery-efforts/#.X4j2KCUpDYU

It looks like death by injection or death by “quarantine” camp. One or the other… or perhaps death by civil unrest for the militias.

I think those 5g satellites Tesla has been launching non-stop during the lockdown were to test out their latest weaponry:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12008628/disaster-elephants-mysterious-dead-waterholes-africa/

Things aren’t looking promising unless we can get enough people to understand the scope of the plan.

Jean Wilson
Jean Wilson
Oct 16, 2020 5:27 AM
Reply to  Researcher

Shit Almighty! Takes my breath away (and I’m not even wearing a mask).

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 16, 2020 6:22 AM
Reply to  Jean Wilson

This IMF takeover looks like the real deal:

https://www.mintpressnews.com/imf-seizes-on-covid-crisis-to-pave-way-for-privatization-in-81-countries/271917/

The banks control EVERYTHING.

May Hem
May Hem
Oct 16, 2020 11:28 AM
Reply to  Researcher

It is sounding like the enclosures all over again.

Researcher
Researcher
Oct 16, 2020 3:29 PM
Reply to  May Hem

Looks like the IMF and World Bank are behind the covid Op.

“Belarusian President Aleksandr Lukashenko said last month via Belarusian Telegraph Agency, BelTA., that World Bank and IMF offered him a bribe of $940 million USD in the form of “Covid Relief Aid.” In exchange for $940 million USD, the World Bank and IMF demanded that the President of Belarus:
• imposed “extreme lockdown on his people”
• force them to wear face masks
• impose very strict curfews
• impose a police state
• crash the economy”

Continues..,

“Now IMF and World Bank are bailing out failing airlines with billions of dollars, and in exchange, they are FORCING airline CEOs to implement VERY STRICT POLICIES such as FORCED face masks covers on EVERYONE, including SMALL CHILDREN, whose health will suffer as a result of these policies.
And if it is true for Belarus, then it is true for the rest of the world! The IMF and World Bank want to crash every major economy with the intent of buying over every nation’s infrastructure at cents on the dollar!“

More info and a video of the Belarusian president’s claim here:

https://gumshoenews.com/2020/08/02/did-the-imf-try-bribe-belarus-with-950-million-to-be-in-lockstep/

The fact that mainstream media are blacking out this story is telling.

This is a privatization heist of all world resources and land just like Agenda 21 outlines, using the pretext of a virus.

But in order to instigate viral symptoms for their “Covid21“ as outlined in the Liberal document they had to install the 5g satellite weaponry and lampposts everywhere to buy themselves time to create real illness and death, which is why the media and government officials become livid if anyone brings up 5g.

5g is not a red herring. It’s not a decoy and it’s not a distraction. It’s a weapon.

That’s why veterans today was pushing the Fort Detrick virus theory. That’s why Plandemic II doesn’t ever address the possibility of no virus. That’s why the front man for Plandemic 2, David E Martin worked for the World Bank, a UN affiliation and central banks.

Is he a whistleblower or an operative diverting people away from the hoax theory towards the bioweapons theory?

“He served as Chair of Economic Innovation for the UN-affiliated Intergovernmental Renewable Energy Organization and has served as an advisor to numerous Central Banks, global economic forums, the World Bank and International Finance Corporation, and national governments.“

https://www.davidmartin.world/about/

I know one thing for sure, May; that there are no contagious viruses. I have not been able to find any valid scientific evidence of a contagious virus ever existing.

mgeo
mgeo
Oct 16, 2020 8:50 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

Related: the great earthquake in Japan (2011-03) saved USA from a crunch in nuclear fuel. Japan shut down all its nuclear plants for a while. This is according to Gordon Duff at veteranstoday.com.

Roberto
Roberto
Oct 16, 2020 7:26 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

A necessary element of government ‘deregulation’ is to allow unregulated input costs but to regulate the prices the utility can charge, for political reasons.
The result is inevitable; the only variable being how long it takes.

julie
julie
Oct 15, 2020 5:25 PM

s cooper – who cares – I imagine the families of service men women killed in the wars they prolonged, the service people who served, or still there, the thousands of families in Iraq bereaved. All of us who have some empathy to think the war was not necessary, was prolonged and may be all that time US and also got to be, UK, was aware OBL was in Iran.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Oct 15, 2020 5:55 PM
Reply to  julie

Does not bother one that lives are lost/stolen, time and resources are wasted on a BIG LIE. It should. Now another BIG LIE with the SCAMDEMIC and the face diapers. How long is humanity going to take this.

The WAR RACKETEER CORPORATE FASCIST OLIGARCH MOBSTER PSYCHOPATHS need to go NOW!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Xp7whYQ1BAg/ViFaZuyLquI/AAAAAAAACK8/lv9lMHy4IhQ/s1600/bm5620528a.jpg

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Oct 15, 2020 5:18 PM

Excellent presentation. You don’t need fancy graphics to make a point. In fact, Ryan’s stripped-down approach is part of what makes his argument so powerful. Thank you for making it available here.

Lillyput
Lillyput
Oct 15, 2020 5:06 PM

Masks may give you covid.

New CDC Study 70% Always 3% Never Wore Face Masks Contracted Covid
https://ise.media/video/new-cdc-study-70-always-3-never-wore-face-masks-contracted-covid-43.html

Ken Garoo
Ken Garoo
Oct 15, 2020 7:55 PM
Reply to  Lillyput

One of the early symptoms of SARS-COV-19 infection is oxygen deprivation arising from inflammatory obstruction of the oxygen transport mechanism at the lung tissue surface.

One well known side effect of mask-wearing is oxygen deprivation.

This ties in perfectly with the medical approach in the medieval and later-pre modern medical science eras when ‘like was used to treat like’ – a treatment causing symptom X was used to treat a disease causing symptom X.

Spout
Spout
Oct 15, 2020 4:05 PM

The only game in town today is American hegemony, which is backed up by a vast military industrial complex, an omni-present surveillance machine and multiply layers of administration. It is absurd that I need to define it, but I will, because you people are in denial and talk endlessly about these phantom threats to our society.

US Empire has a vast propaganda capacity, via its ‘think-tanks’ & universities pumping out political, economic, social & ‘scientific research’ and studies which it uses to influence the worlds direction of travel, in their own economic and strategic interests. That is in addition to spreading their interests via diplomacy, US/UK financial media, the press, NGO’s, 5 eyes, phoney campaign & pressure groups, lobbying groups and individual CIA agents on the ground monitoring all business, military, social and political activity in its vassal states and rising competitor ‘enemy’ nations, as well as funding and having disproportionate control over the UN, IMF, World Bank and OPEC via its vassal states voting as instructed.

‘’When has the UK ever deviated for US foreign policy in the past 60 years?’’ asked a RT Journalist of Daniel Hannan, a British neocon, MEP a few years back, his embarrassment was very real, there is no deviation.
Add to all that the new American social media technology which has become the most valuable tool of control, far surpassing the influence of the CIA on the ground, even able to leapfrog national government control of the population, however supine they were to US interests, and capable of turning the political mood, in any country on the planet, in a weekend or even a mater of hours. Social media, search algorithms and an endless onslaught of videos can all be used to politically brainwash a hapless naive lost population.

All of this military and all of this technology is funded off the back of the primary unit of international exchange, made compulsory under threat of military or political destruction, the dollar.

Set against all this raw power, you people claim there is a business & technocratic conspiracy called the ‘globalist agenda’, a theory which has its origins in Adolf Hitler’s own antisemitic ‘international Jewish (bankers) conspiracy’ of the 1930s, and which is now pushed by all political & propaganda arms of the CIA, who are in sympathy with the alt-right, christian, white supremacist groups in the US, and who coordinate their political wing overseas under the banner of the, ever loyal friends of the CIA, the ultra far-right.

In the Ukraine, South America, even in Europe the far-right are the USA’s friend overseas and are encouraged to destroy their own cultures in preparation for the neoliberal, Corporate takeover and US vassal-hood.
Steve Bannon even established ‘The Movement’ in Europe to push fascist parties, sympathetic to US interests and willing to sell out their own populations to US control, in return for power that the CIA can guarantee them.

The USA has the luxury of writing it’s own and world history via its cinema and CIA funded video casts, training people around the world, with race baiting and phoney nationalism to ignore their own interests and vote for the interests of US Washington elites.

They tell the poorly educated working class to think that its lizards, the middle class think it’s incompetent government or globalist conspiracy, that is causing them to be impoverished, disenfranchised and policed, everyone is served up a different version, but it is always anything but the obvious truth about Empire and the continued American neoliberal roll out.

They are able to do this because the education systems they have dumbed-down have eradicated, rational thinking, logic argument, history and political science, from the curriculum, leaving people lost in an intellectual vacuum, desperate for ways to understand what is happening to their lives.

The servants of Empire are always happy to provide a false narrative that hides the greedy, perfidious, murderous, genocidal of US empire from view.
It is easy to fill the historical vacuums that exist in most American minds with nonsense, not only have logic been abolished but there is no foundation of facts or historical knowledge that will invalidate the absurd stories the CIA is pumping out. The suffocating of common sense, the scientific method, and logic possessed by previous generations, has made all this possible.

These fake narratives of ‘globalist agenda’ are just camouflage, a deceit, intended to whitewash the US out of geopolitical and international affairs in the minds of the average Joe, at a time when Washington, albeit in decline, is setting the political agenda around the world and running their phoney ‘ Wars’….the ‘war on terror’, the ‘war on flu’, Brexit and the War on Carbon, to make America Great again, in what is turning out to be its last window of opportunity before the dollar finally finds its new weakened value, or vanished all together as a result of hyperinflation.
Following the out of control bank runs and hyper inflation the vast infrastructure of empire needs to be hurriedly dismantled with no green paper to fund it, it will be a collapse as radical as the collapse of Rome in AD 400.
We are seeing an empire supernova burning bright using the new internet tools, but at the same time it is going to exhaust itself in very short order, and implode into a black hole of civil war as shortages start, and the self distractive philosophy of self-interest & greed, injected into every American citizens mind, begins to devour the country in a cannibalistic humanitarian crisis.

richard
richard
Oct 15, 2020 6:57 PM
Reply to  Spout

There is no ‘globalist agenda’.

Yes, you are so right!
And people like Klaus Schwab don’t exist, nether does Agenda 21…
You are particularly right tho about people being dumbed down…

Jen Wilk
Jen Wilk
Oct 15, 2020 9:01 PM
Reply to  richard

You can take a horse to water, but can’t ………

JuraCalling
JuraCalling
Oct 15, 2020 3:52 PM

Not a gripping presentation to be fair. But I get the points made.

I suggest, now that we are where we are, when reflecting on so many blatant psyops we should rank them in order of impact and ability to remain front and centre.Then to see if they are so formulaic that you can smell the individual ingredients as they waft past us.

It’s my belief that the long game has to be to hold the world’s population in grip that wasn’t too tight that it might cause anarchy, but not so loose that we had a little too much say in our lives and got above ourselves. The grip would tighten at specific junctures.And they would be dependant on our performance which has always been under the watchful glare of an all seeing eye

The JFK slaughter will always be the ‘Daddy’ of them. It inserted the very term ‘conspiracy theory’ into the modern lexicon.The only thing that seems clear about the JKF case is that Oswald was the least likely to have been a gunman or part of a hit team.

But the audacity of the crime and the organisation of it tell us that the intelligence service can be very organised and slick.Not only in their execution of targets, but in the controlling of any narrative that should transpire

As the century drew to a close then stumbled into this one, the elite were able to up their game.They were able to utilise the technology of the age to exploit the classroom of pupils who have scored a very low average. 

When only a minority of the population refuse to buy what BS the establishment are selling, it’s a result for them.As long as the majority are happy to play with their little gadgets and be hilarious and interesting online, they’re happy. What hasn’t shrunk, unfortunately, is the appetite of the ego.

When 9 /11 happened it was a new age of oppression.Not terrorism.Or at least not terrorism as we know it. This was a plan to terrorise us by our handlers ; our owners. They told us the terror was coming from every corner of every street and in every email account and in every phone. And 20 years on, we have yet to witness any of it.But the tightening of the screw was real.It still is.

One of the ingredients to be aware of in their formula is priming; the preparation of our minds to accept outrageous events. If we are told by somebody important that it’s a real and present danger we insert the idea into our minds. If we then see movies and TV series that carry the theme we polish the image we already have. Then, when it happens in real life we take the two primers and we accept the event as having been ‘more probable than not’ to happen. The shock absorbers cushion the blow and the truth we’re required to swallow is easier to swallow.

In 2017 we all heard Fauci warn the world that Trump would( not might) face a global pandemic before his term ended in power. It was looking like he was wrong, depsite the same warning being echoed by Bill gates, the other eugenicist. After all, the next election was going to be in 2020. But, right on cue, at the end of 2019, the global pandemic took it’s first tentative steps.

A couple of years prior to 9 /11 Philip Zelikow spoke publicly about the ‘need’ for a ‘searing event’ that would cost America the lives of thousands. A terror attack; a ‘ new Pearl Harbour’. The priming worked and his wish was granted.Not only that, he was then made the commissioner of the 9 /11 report. A report so tightly controlled and duplicitous it should be a best seller from all fiction shelves.It’s only competitor being the Warren Report commissioned by JFK’s assassins.

It’s all about the need to conquer, then control. A concerted effort to grind us down into submission. .As i said at the opening, the grip can tighten at certain junctures.This is one. They have gotten away with the 9 /11 narrative the use of it to strangle freedom and privacy.

In the twenty short years since 9 / 11 technology has made enormous strides. We’ve been primed to embrace and crave more of the new miracle of AI. The lab rats are gagging for the bells and whistles again.

The age of nano is upon us. Note the alarming lack of medical doctors on screens talking about this ‘virus’ ? Note the amount who are silenced and ostracised by their peers for exposing the lies of the narrative ? Note too the free men and women of their proud democracies are threatened with fines and worse if they offer an opinion that exposes the flaws of the official story.It’s not a ‘medical problem’.

9 /11 was part 1 of 2. It was intended to shock the world.After all, America can pride itself with never going a decade without a war but never having so much as a firecracker land on it’s own soil.So, they did it themselves with a demolition so closely controlled it was almost genius.The trauma of the twins collapsing could well have caused building 7 to collapse in fright.No, terror was to be everywhere and all the bad guys like Bin laden and Saddam were pointing nasty missiles at all western targets ( when they weren’t kicking imaginary incubators over of course). And it doesn’t matter that Bin Laden was dead by around 2004.They could keep the idea of him alive to ensure the terror remained a threat to us all.They finally isolated the virus called Osama ( but dropped him -oops)

Covid is part 2 of 2. They’re going for checkmate. The final tightening of the screw. Complete control of us and the planet.The wet dream of every eugenicist that ever drew breath. 

They always knew a democracy was the best way to keep the plebs happy.Just so long as they behaved.But ultimately, it’s a dilemma. If you want complete control and an Oligarchy ruling with an iron fist, you can’t have a democracy at the same time.Free people will protest.They’ll ask questions and mumble on quiet corners.

The phrase ” 9 /11 ” became the mantra of all leaders from the day it happened. It became the panacea that cured all the ills of the masses who questioned any policy, any economical deficit and war. If you objected you were ostracised as unpatriotic or pro- terror.You became a pariah.

The phrase ‘Covid 19” is the new ‘9 / 11” panacea. But this isn’t merely to force us to accept the all out attack on the middle east and our own freedoms. This is to teach us to give up our personal sovereignty for the good of the human race’s survival. The puppets will say : ”it’s not us, you understand, it’s for your own good. We’re in this together”.

Only a narrative like a global pandemic would let this slip through without a global kickback..If enough of the neutral sheeple buy the story then our numbers will be too small.Hence the propaganda war.It’s why they panic and invent ‘fact checkers’ to keep the sheeple sleeping.

”Precise control of population can never be made completely compatible with the concept of a free society…’given a world authority with jurisdiction over population problems, the task of assessing maximum permissible population levels on a regional basis need not be prohibitively difficult…It can be argued that such a procedure would be ruthless and would deprive many people of their individual liberties. Yet would it be any more ruthless than the policy which is now followed in the United States?” – Harrison Brown ; Challenge Of Man’s Future’ ( 1955)

The Council on Environmental Quality 1982 put a report together : ‘”Global Future: A Time to Act.” 

‘”Global 2000: Blueprint for Genocide” ( subtle title)

”the intent on the part of such policy centres as the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, and the International Monetary Fund, to pursue policies that will result not only in the death of the 120 million cited in the reports, but in the death of upwards of two billion people by the year 2000.”

It’s not like the warnings haven’t always been visible..

kevin
kevin
Oct 15, 2020 4:11 PM
Reply to  JuraCalling

Excellent post. Bang on.

JuraCalling
JuraCalling
Oct 15, 2020 6:14 PM
Reply to  kevin

Thanks Kevin 👍

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 15, 2020 4:25 PM
Reply to  JuraCalling

“And 20 years on, we have yet to witness any of it.”

As I often quip: can you imagine how different daily life would have been if the “Turriss” had been real? Shit would have been popping off every day, and not just in photogenic metropolises: in small towns. Random attacks in bakeries, Starbucks (Starbucks clearly put the word out to Blackwater, et al: do not fuck with our brand), gyms, public toilets… day after day. That’s the first clue that it was all a load of bullshit: even local street gangs were better at daily-life-disrupting terror than these supposed cadres of “sleeper-cells” and “elite paramilitary suicide squads”. Maybe they should have tried a new Al Qaeda-n-Crips combo, instead, to terrorize Kansas…?

JuraCalling
JuraCalling
Oct 15, 2020 6:16 PM

lol ”Turiss”. Brought back great memories of the mighty leader and even mightier orator George Dubya Bush. How many times did he stand proud and tell the world he was so proud to be a merkin. He certainly had the brains of one.;)

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 15, 2020 6:20 PM
Reply to  JuraCalling

“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.” —Famous Verbatim Dubya Quote

JuraCalling
JuraCalling
Oct 15, 2020 6:52 PM

class 🤣

Grace Johns
Grace Johns
Oct 15, 2020 11:25 PM
Reply to  JuraCalling

And still, we’re all here repeating ad nauseam the stats and lies of c-1984 but what do we do now? The internet has lulled us into a complacency of rebellion where we yak away and no one fires up an active solution. The French Revolution would never have happened if the internet had been around. People invoke Gandhi’s peaceful protest without considering that he was “permitted” to lead the masses to freedom because it suited TPTB. Corbett et al are now catering to the “newbs” while those of us who have been awake for 20+ yrs are hanging out, wondering what to do.

Grafter
Grafter
Oct 15, 2020 11:47 PM
Reply to  JuraCalling

2 members of 77th Brigade with us tonight.

Fact Checker
Fact Checker
Oct 16, 2020 3:50 AM
Reply to  JuraCalling

Zelikow was the “Executive Director” drafting the 9/11 Report behind the scenes.
The actual commissioners were numbnuts Nos. 1 & 2, Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton (who later laughingly disavowed the whole thing!).

Just a quibble! Great post!

JuraCalling
JuraCalling
Oct 16, 2020 4:02 AM
Reply to  Fact Checker

Quite true Fact Checker..now you mention it.👍 I believe he was offered the lead but lacked the bottle. Probably didn’t want to remind those with a sharper eye. He’s what Covid 19 would look like if it wore a suit.

tish
tish
Oct 16, 2020 5:24 PM
Reply to  JuraCalling

I agree with Kevin an excellent ‘sum it up in a nut shell’ you know you should write your own words as a topic for others to discuss

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 15, 2020 3:48 PM

“The Parallels Between 9/11 and Covid19”

Primary parallel: neither would have been possible without lots of dumbed-down consumer-zombies, with blown-out critical faculties, in the audience. Until Duh Masses improve in that regard, this shit will never cease happening. We aren’t merely threatened by an Evil, disembodied “head” of cooperating plutocrat-psychopaths… the “head” is riding around on a giant’s body. The body consists of our buddies, our brothers, our moms, our colleagues and tens of millions like them. How to save them (and thereby save ourselves)? That’s the question. The Evil “head” is irredeemable but also of NO CONCERN if estranged from the services of that giant, clueless body.

fred west
fred west
Oct 15, 2020 5:29 PM

Strange how Fauci resembles Larry Silverstein

JuraCalling
JuraCalling
Oct 15, 2020 9:03 PM
Reply to  fred west

He’s Joseph Goebbels. A twisted little creature full of quiet anger.

A man with nihilism coursing through every vein and the intellect and single-mindedness to run the US Ministry Of Propaganda and shape all narratives for the politicians to deliver. His goal is power, money and genocide.The Nazi ideology is alive and well and dwelling within the walls of the CIA nest.

Mark Millward
Mark Millward
Oct 15, 2020 8:58 PM

Nailed.

DidYouSee
DidYouSee
Oct 15, 2020 3:36 PM

As it stands:

Western governments have been replaced by Mafia systems with heavy reliance on propaganda-followed-by-bombs tactics; rules of engagement abandoned. These mafia-governments are driven by white supremacy arrogance. They are heavily armed with modern and nuclear weapons and have effectively, on the ground, encircled Russia and China.

Covid-19 vsersion1 (v2 and probably v3 and 4, à la Microsoft) is an effective way to shut down protests* for any despicable acts that are happening and are about to be committed by the mafia-governments.

  • shutdown anything, really!
I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 15, 2020 3:28 PM

Any conspiracies and comments that evil ‘neo-cons’ or US intelligence caused the 9/11 attack are always welcome here. Anyone mentioning religious hate as the key factor gets deleted. Long live free speech, critical thinking, and a united resistance.

ame
ame
Oct 15, 2020 4:51 PM

I_left_the_left the troll.

Admin2
 Oct 14, 2020 10:24 PM
 Reply to  I_left_the_left
I’m calling you out on this. You have 986 published comments, to date, and you are not being censored for your views. When I look in our spam and trash I find no comments of yours, except two duplicate posts complaining about censorship. Here is the original you were referring to.
Desist. Thanks. A2

notice that is just one icon and you use you use at least 2/3 icons on this site

what a sick fuck you must be to continually lie about being censored

John Pretty
John Pretty
Oct 15, 2020 11:53 PM
Reply to  ame

986? Golly, did you count every one?

ame
ame
Oct 16, 2020 8:42 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

admin must have a software that does

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Oct 19, 2020 3:06 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

Bit of a snide atmosphere down here recently XD A2

richard
richard
Oct 15, 2020 7:02 PM

There was no “attack” – at least not from an outside source.

Pal
Pal
Oct 15, 2020 7:16 PM

How did ‘religious hate’ wire three buildings with enough nanothermite to pulverize the concrete to dust, destroy everything inside them and melt holes in two foot thick steel beams?

Geoff
Geoff
Oct 15, 2020 8:15 PM

How come you’re not droning on about your silly posts being taken down all the time?

gordan
gordan
Oct 15, 2020 3:27 PM

ww1
ww2
how many humans died
how many animals
how much history atomised
year zero

the bankers in swiss
brits,germans,french usa usa endless party
life long friendships
the b i s bank

the followers of zvi and jacob frank
satanic culling systems since babylon
variations on a theme

tory labour communist boshevik capitalist
all balls
pirates of lucifer
harvesting
tis all

ame
ame
Oct 15, 2020 6:21 PM
Reply to  gordan

Christian and Islamic scripture, including the New Testament of the Bible, should start carrying warnings for passages deemed “anti-semitic,” a coalition of Jewish groups has asked.

https://www.christianpost.com/news/require-bible-publishers-to-add-anti-semitic-warnings-to-new-testament-jewish-groups-say.html

Sam Readen
Sam Readen
Oct 15, 2020 3:15 PM

Wondering why the Covid measures make no sense? Like stopping students from seeing each other? When they never get ill with this flu? The students are not the targets, the entire entertainment sector is. The students are just cannon fodder. Understand the measures in economic terms and which industries they are targeting and want control over.

Police enforced Masks wearing, Is forcing people to shop on-line at Amazon.

Social distancing: will reduce profitability of Cinemas, Theatres, and Restaurants,
making them ripe for bankruptcy and take over by chains. Tim Martin is toast.

Cashless society’: To help MasterCard and Visa grow.

Home working: Those who work from home can all eventually be outsourced overseas. It also gives US tech control/access over ALL business communications. The CIA spend a lot of time following mergers and accusation, now they can do it from Langley.

Curfew: reduce profitability of pubs bares and entertainment sector. For Corporate chain take over.

Track and trace: Total health, Lifestyle, Spending, Data collection, social standing etc…all collected. sent direct to google.

Travel restrictions: ‘vacation wars’ on neighbours, to cause economic harm.

This is mostly an accelerated roll-out of the US neoliberal Corporate take over. I am really not even sure they are interested in Martial law and surveillance outside its marketing and extortion potential. The CIA’s fear mongering just distracts from the real economic targets in vassal states.

May Hem
May Hem
Oct 15, 2020 11:18 PM
Reply to  Sam Readen

Sam, I think most rebellions have started among uni students. They have now been castrated with debt (hence need to take extra jobs while studying) and now social distancing. No time for rebellion-starting.

A goo list of abuses, but don’t forget the most important point – depopulation.

kenny_the_pict
kenny_the_pict
Oct 15, 2020 1:44 PM

…i think that there’s an alarming similarity between these two strands of the same thread that has been overlooked here….that of the lack of evidence to support the fanatical claims. Just as there is no evidence of a “deadly virus”, there is no evidence of the presence of the stated “aircraft” at the stated locations and no evidence that the towers “collapsed”…a collapse suggests a downward motion….most of the bulk within the two towers did not hit the ground….just an observation….!!!

Watt
Watt
Oct 15, 2020 7:08 PM
Reply to  kenny_the_pict

Towers “collapsed”!…first fuckers went sky high.

Pal
Pal
Oct 15, 2020 7:18 PM
Reply to  kenny_the_pict

The debris did hit the ground – but in a very wide footprint consistent with massive explosions

julie
julie
Oct 15, 2020 12:36 PM

all go to look at Anna Khait twitter, Nick Noe on scieneismymuse twitter and website to see what you make of the breaking news on social media (and busily being taken off FB/twwitter) about whistleblower Allen Parrot speaking to Nick Noe and a father of Seal 6 killed in helicopter crash after OBL’s raid. Reveals OBL was kept in Iran with USA blssing until Hill ary transferred him to Pakistan for a trophy kill but Iran brought him back to Iran at last moment, so they killed someone else and Seal 6 had to to be got rid of. The $$$$ Obama paid to Iran not for a Nuclear deal but blackmailed by Iran and hush money. May be why they really wanted HC to be president . What do our M16 Christ Steele know and is this another reason for the hoax dossier to help HC and keep T away. Also makes more sense about Gen Flynn who was going to look into Iran deal.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Oct 15, 2020 12:52 PM
Reply to  julie

Doubtful. Also who cares.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 15, 2020 1:11 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

Why doubt? The independent media are presenting tons of evidence, while the MSM ignore it all. For many of us, that’s reason enough to take these allegations seriously. You don’t trust the MSM on wu-flu, I imagine.

digging-around
digging-around
Oct 15, 2020 3:24 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

Seal team 6 are New Rome’s gladiators, so they create mystery and mythology around them. It is legend creation.

Yarkob
Yarkob
Oct 15, 2020 3:35 PM
Reply to  digging-around

bread and circuses

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Oct 15, 2020 2:27 PM
Reply to  julie

But…but…but burials at sea are traditional for desert Arabs.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Oct 15, 2020 3:30 PM
Reply to  julie

https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-big-lie-obama-did-not-kill-bin-laden/5448927

Many other articles on Global Research concerning this. Just type in “Osama” and “Death”

Curiously absent in all of this, is the legal aspect (illegality) of invading and occupying (approaching 20 years now) a sovereign country/nation to capture one man (a CIA asset). Rather flimsy legal rational would not one say?

WAR RACKETEER CORPORATE FASCIST OLIGARCH MOBSTER PSYCHOPATHS do not have to adhere to laws and treaties, only untermenschen and useless eaters are expected to do so.”

Yarkob
Yarkob
Oct 15, 2020 3:34 PM
Reply to  julie

OBL died of liver failure in 2002 at the american military hospital in dubai. christ knows who they killed in pak but that story about iran is bollocks

ame
ame
Oct 15, 2020 4:54 PM
Reply to  Yarkob

what next a twitter post of bin laden daughter wearing a maga t shirt

Roberto
Roberto
Oct 15, 2020 6:37 PM
Reply to  ame

There were newspaper obituaries, one in in an Egyptian newspaper in the second link following and in January 2002 the President of Pakistan referred to his death in comment made publicly.
Also, lots of references/links here:
https://newspunch.com/evidence-shows-osama-bin-laden-actually-died-in-2001/
https://www.globalresearch.ca/osama-bin-ladens-obituary-notice/5358889

Who knows? But there are a lot of unassociated/separate references in the above link, and the official story doesn’t inspire much confidence The photo op of a rapt audience of notables in the War Room watching the killing in real time was later acknowledged to be staged because the ‘live link was down’. Historically, the body of the hated opponent is displayed, trophy style, to remove any doubt, and autopsied, not secretly whisked away to be immediately disposed of, actions that only create doubt.

JuraCalling
JuraCalling
Oct 15, 2020 6:13 PM
Reply to  Yarkob

He died of kidney failure after needing dialysis. That was a popular idea back in the day. I suppose it adds up if you consider they don’t have the machines in caves. Then again Benazir Bhutto announced that he has been assassinated and even named the assassin live on a Sunday morning chat with Sir David Frost.Shortly after, she returned home and was shot dead in public.

JuraCalling
JuraCalling
Oct 15, 2020 8:51 PM
Reply to  julie

Couple of points Julie. There’s social media and there’s breaking news. I’d advise you not to conflate the two so eagerly without close inspection. Mainly because social media’s larger slice of population are looking for attention and 15 minutes fame.And likes and thumbs ups of course.

You mention a whistelblower and a father of a Seal 6 member. The father is sure to be angry. I haven’t listened or read any of this.I read the alleged account of the raid that secured Bin laden and found it hilarious.And the fate of those aboard was no shock.Any father of any member of that team would have unresolved grief and anger directed at the corrupt nature of those who had brought about the death of their child.As such, a balanced argument is highly unlikely as it would be heavily biased and thinly reasoned and evidence or proof almost a certainty to be absent altogether. Am I right ?

Where is the evidence, for instance, that Bin laden was in Iran ? Where is the evidence that the UK and US knew he was there ?If he was there and they knew, why raid the compound in Pakistan and not arrest him in Iran ? Why did Seal team 6 kill anyone else if they were only going to throw them in the ocean anyway ? They could kill nobody and just say they killed Bin Laden and dropped him.A far more likely explanation.

Obama had come to an agreement as to how the natural ‘minerals’ of Afghanistan and then pull out after all the years pretending to be after Bin laden as the cover. Somebody must have reminded him that they hadn’t found him yet.So they cobbled together a quick plan and came up with Seal 6. A ridiculous cliche – ridden farce that everyone in the west had a reason for wanting to be true.

Evidence has no agenda. That makes it the perfect witness and makes it’s testimony unbeatable. Finding it is very difficult when it comes to the machinations of the high rolling pillagers of the corridors of power. All we’re left with is a lot of gaps that are big enough to accommodate endless imaginative stories.

mgeo
mgeo
Oct 16, 2020 9:21 AM
Reply to  JuraCalling

Veteranstoday had their own analysis. As I recall, the distances from the Afghan border to to Abbotabad and from there to the sea were too great for helicopters, especially with such loads. Moreover, Pak air defence was one of the best even then.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Oct 15, 2020 11:21 AM

Good job, Kevin, except, of course, you’re controlled opposition so there’s a very important parallel you’ve missed.

Two major propaganda streams
PROPAGANDA 1 – MAINSTREAM
COVID-19: Global pandemic and massive response required
9/11: Terrorists crashing planes into buildings which subsequently collapsed, resulting in the deaths of 3,000 people and injury to 6,000

PROPAGANDA 2 (controlled opposition) – DIRECTED TO SKEPTICS
COVID-19: Virus but not pandemic and response inappropriate. Of course, some people will naturally think there’s a virus but not at pandemic levels and that the response is inappropriate, however, controlled opposition is still pushed out to propagate and curate that message. Often, controlled opposition pushes out simply what some people will think anyway but they like to have control over the message so that they can ensure as much as possible that thought doesn’t drift over to the actual truth. The actual truth needs to be suppressed as much as possible.
9/11: Inside job where buildings were brought down using controlled demolition resulting in the deaths of 3,000 people and injury to 6,000

REALITY
COVID-19: No virus, no nothing, Emperor’s New Clothes par excellence
9/11: Buildings were damaged and demolished (planes were faked and death and injury were staged), many drills were conducted and these drills, essentially, comprised the operation.

Reality gets in the way of a psyop – you don’t want to be chasing a virus wherever it leads if anywhere – seriously, no one believes it went from Wuhan to Bergamo to the Ruby Princess, and infected poor old Boris just at the time his wife was delivering their baby, etc, all by itself or by deliberate means, no one believes that, do they? Nor do you want to manage airliners lumbering around the skies directing them into buildings or killing people for real when you don’t want them dead. One of the most important elements of psyops is CONTROL. They want complete control of the story and they do it through making it all about “story” (involving a number of actors) as much as humanly possible rather than have “reality” involved … except where wanted. They don’t want a virus and all they wanted on 9/11 was to bring buildings down. Importantly, we need to recognise that the perps take great pride in their psyops. It would be so utterly beneath them to introduce any element of reality into the psyop unless it was wanted. They would never cheat by making any part of it real except parts wanted. After all, they bend over backwards making their fakery deliberately sloppy. It would be against all their rules to introduce reality into a psyop except where it is desired.

And these are two other parallels:

Nonsense miracle survivors
COVID-19:
82-year-old North Staffordshire grandfather with dementia makes miracle recovery – with antibiotics. How is this possible if antibiotics are said not to be a cure?

Media story about two miracle survivors:
1. 90-year-old Washington grandmother makes miracle recovery from “death’s door”, potato soup being her secret weapon. No images of her suggest she is ill.
2. A 52-year-old Miami man, “gaspin'”, “on the brink of death” and thinking his “days were done” recovers miraculously with anti-malarial, hydroxychloroquine.

Of course, the media is simply reporting what the alleged sufferers feel has helped them … but surely for such a serious problem if potato soup and chloroquine have not been scientifically proven to help sufferers shouldn’t the media be warning viewers. Shouldn’t we be getting emphatic warnings not to try to cure ourselves with potato soup if we develop any symptoms because, surely, not entirely unreasonable to try this miracle cure first before taking yourself to the doctor’s?

9/11:
Ridiculous survivor stories of the 12-second collapse to the ground of the 500,000-ton twin towers

Unconvincing injured/patients
COVID-19:

The Telegraph shows us 39-year-old London patient, Tara Jane Langston, in ICU.
1. Completely against protocol that a COVID-19 patient would be in an ICU coughing all over the place infecting other ICU patients. In a ventilator OK, but she’s not in a ventilator she only has an oxygen tube.
2. If she’s ill enough to be in ICU it seems very odd that she’d be well enough for an interview not to mention the fact that surely interviewing in ICU would also be completely against protocol.
3. Notice how when she coughs her head goes out of view (when she coughs away the cough sounds real but there’s nothing to say it’s not inserted audio). She shows us her wrist with what looks like taping of tubes and says, “They’ve had to sew that into my artery.” That makes no sense. She tells us she has a cannula, another cannula and a catheter. The nasal cannula makes sense but it’s difficult to know what she’d need the other cannula and catheter for. Her laboured breathing is not particularly convincing.

In this article about Tara in the Guardian, Woman who filmed coronavirus warning receives online abuse, we are told:
“And then the trauma was compounded by online trolls who flooded the family’s inbox with messages accusing them of a hoax.”
1. How would trolls get the “family’s” email address?
2. As it would seem very strange for online trolls to be doing such a thing why doesn’t the article author question this strange behaviour?

They always mention hoaxing within their hoaxes. Remember Trump mentioned the Democrats as hoaxing in relation to this alleged pandemic and there’s a number of other instances of hoaxing being mentioned in the media.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Oct 15, 2020 1:15 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

COVID-19:

82-year-old North Staffordshire grandfather with dementia makes miracle recovery – with antibiotics. How is this possible if antibiotics are said not to be a cure?

Just a small point here: he might have had bacterial pneumonia, and antibiotics are the normal conventional treatment for bacterial infections.

As Andrew Saul (DoctorYourself dot com ) says in his videos, it’s not Covid-19 that kills people, it’s the pneumonia that can sometimes develop.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Oct 15, 2020 1:32 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

They didn’t say pneumonia though did they? They said he made a miracle recovery from COVID-19 after a course of antibiotics … and Mike, that’s just ONE of the instances, right? Just one. I gave three instances of miracle survivors plus I gave an instance of an unconvincing patient. It’s always possible to give an alternative explanation for one instance of something but when you give three then it gets trickier plus there’s other supporting information.

Also to note are:

— It says he tested positive for COVID-19 but he contracted coronavirus.

— His son says
“We were very surprised to hear that he was being discharged. He’d had no respiratory problems.”
He’d had no respiratory problems? What does he mean?

“It was unbelievable that he had made such a miraculous recovery. It’s been a rollercoaster for the family which has left us all baffled, bemused, drained, elated and deflated all at the same time.”
Why would they have all these feelings at the same time. Surely, the negative ones would have been while he was sick and the good ones after he recovered?

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Oct 15, 2020 4:00 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Mike, spot on! Reminds me of schoolboy joke:

Doctor, what do you advise to cure my flu?
Jump into a pond then sit in wet clothes in a draft.
Will that cure my flu?
No but it will give you pneumonia, and I can cure that with antibiotics.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Oct 15, 2020 2:38 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Kevin Ryan worked for UL (Underwriters Laboratories) at the time of 9/11. He was an engineer involved with certifying the steel beams used in the construction of WTC 1&2. He almost immediately came out publicly and yelled bullshit. No way would these soot furniture fires cause the total destruction of these two buildings. He was immediately fired from his engineering position at UL for these statements. I know this because I made a donation to support him in this whistleblowing. Anything can happen in 20 years, but Ryan was not controlled opposition then, and I would need a lot better evidence to convince me that he is now. He has shown a lot courage and integrity. This doesn’t mean that Ryan has a total handle on just how deep into the demonic swamp these two FF go, but people who do are called “nutters.”

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Oct 15, 2020 2:46 PM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

Alleged whistleblowers who get fired from their jobs are very often controlled opposition agents. I see the word whistleblower and I think agent – of course, there are genuine whistleblowers but I don’t think I know one connected with 9/11.

This person thinks he’s controlled opposition too and as do I think a number of other people.
http://truthandshadows.com/2013/08/03/the-kevin-ryan-paradox-the-way-to-show-the-911-official-story-is-false-is-by-accepting-as-much-of-it-as-possible/

Anyone who says that death and injury were real on 9/11 is controlled opposition – either they’re paid controlled opposition or their minds have been controlled by the controlled opposition to believe in real death and injury – I mean, that’s what the purpose of controlled opposition is, right?

Howard
Howard
Oct 15, 2020 4:27 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Not to be a smart alek, but you do realize don’t you that there are those who would consider you to be controlled opposition in that you are, actually, throwing far greater doubt on the controlled demolition theory of 911 than the official narrative does.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Oct 15, 2020 5:40 PM
Reply to  Howard

Yes, and many say that David Icke is controlled opposition since the CIA and Mossad haven’t murdered him yet. But none can build a case by the things he says or writes.

Let me state my position about how the WTC may have been destroyed. I see three possibilities; traditional controlled demolition but using nanothermite in addition to conventional explosives, micronuke triggers, and a directed energy weapon. Occam’s razor says that the simplest answer is probably the right one if it explains all the evidence. In my opinion with a background in chemistry and physics, none of these three options alone can explain all the evidence, thus the truth is that it was a combination of at least two of them.

Let me comment for a moment on Judy Wood. I am not a psychologist, but I strongly suspect that she has Asperger’s Syndrome. She has a lot of trouble dealing with other people. But like many people with this condition, she does have her own exceptional talents. I have bought her book and read it from cover to cover, which in itself was no small feat. It is an exceptional work of reporting extensively on a crime scene by an expert engineer in materials science. I no longer listen to her interviews because I find them counterproductive and annoying. If someone wants to converse with me about her ideas, please cite the page number as a reference. Otherwise I will simply ignore it.

Finally, how the towers came down is relatively unimportant compared to who did it and why. At this point, discrediting The Official Story is like emptying a full clip into a horse long dead. The answers to this are quite obvious though the “why” is extensive. I can give 10 major reasons without pause, some obviously more important than others. These major false flag psy-ops are planned long in advance and always incorporate a multitude of objectives.

As to whether you or others consider me controlled opposition, I couldn’t give a phlying phuck.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Oct 15, 2020 11:58 PM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

“Yes, and many say that David Icke is controlled opposition since the CIA and Mossad haven’t murdered him yet.”

It did cross my mind that he could be being used to discredit the anti-lockdown movement as he has such a bad reputation with parochial little Englander types.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Oct 16, 2020 1:44 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

When Icke had his “awakening” experience in 1990 near Lake Titicaca in Peru, and then went “on the road,” he was lucky to fill a small living room. A few years ago, when he was doing his all day presentations, he was filling Wembley Arena. But I think by far his greatest influence has been by two or three degrees of separation. The people who are turned off by his ideas have not been converted from inquiring, critical free thinkers to Karens, snarling at people who don’t social distance or wear masks. Icke booked a sold out tour in Australia just months before the scamdemic was launched. Two hours before he was to board the plane in LA, he was notified by the über fascist Australian government that his visa had been revoked, and he had to cancel his venues at great expense From that idea that “crossed your mind,” one would think that the fascist government in Australia would have welcomed him with open arms in order to turn off the population with his outrageous ideas..

Fact Checker
Fact Checker
Oct 16, 2020 5:46 AM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

Beautifully balanced impressions.
On Icke and Wood both.
Thank you, El G.

Howard
Howard
Oct 16, 2020 2:21 PM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

I’m not at all big on the “controlled opposition” meme. Besides being overused, it implies the CIA et al are this huge monolithic force controlling everything that happens in the world. I seriously doubt that; they are primarily a bunch of flunkies with delusions of grandeur. Typical Wizard of Oz kind of situation.

Ort
Ort
Oct 16, 2020 8:21 PM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

I don’t necessarily want to converse with you, and since I didn’t actually buy and read Wood’s book I expect you’ll ignore this– hmm, knowing the fate of being ignored in advance at least ought to impose some brevity for a change.

I just wanted to say that I appreciate your perspective, probably because it’s very similar to mine. 

I also wanted to mention that if I never see the phrase “controlled opposition” again it will be too soon. I know what it’s supposed to mean, and I’ve even used (or at least thought) it myself over the years. But it’s turned into a caricature; to mix a couple of metaphors, it’s like a combination of the classic witch trial by water combined with the “baby in the bathwater” metaphor.

That is, I see a lot of “babies” peremptorily drowned in the “controlled opposition” bathwater; once immersed, apparently all of their views and work are discredited– and not only may be condemned, must be condemned.

Back to Judy: A fellow 9/11 skeptic and I discovered her a few years ago and “binged” on her video presentations. Like you, I think she presents cogent and enlightening questions and criticisms; her novel perspective was compelling and even infatuating. But after watching the presentations (especially ones that included Q&A sessions) and interviews it became obvious that she sets arbitrary boundaries and can be both coy and dismissive of other analyses and perspectives. FWIW, I don’t regard her disingenuousness as either a reason to dismiss her work, or trash her as a fake or disinformation operative.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Oct 16, 2020 9:54 PM
Reply to  Ort

Yes, “controlled opposition” is being very abused. Much of this is intentional by our Overlords. They don’t want their tricks to enter commonplace understanding anymore than a magician wants his audience to know how he saws his beautiful assistant in half. So the easiest way to discredit the idea is to abuse it by calling everyone you disagree with controlled opposition.

The problem is that there are two types. One type are simply people of good intent who are just clueless as to what is going down on this planet. Actually my wife fits into this category. As you might realize, I am a pretty articulate guy with a lot of facts and figures at my disposal. Yet it is impossible to convince her. She is gaslighted and will remain so unless Off-G does a hostile takeover of CNN and what Gerald Celente refers to as the toilet paper of record. We have agreed not to discuss the scamdemic, but she becomes furious when she forgets and lets drop a MSM absurdity. I try not to laugh like the Roman guards in The Life of Brian when their commander brought up the subject of his friend, Biggus Dickus, but am not always successful.

This opposition is not intentionally malevolent but simply mind controlled in the typical Goebbels manner. The real controlled opposition are people who usually are rewarded by our Overlords for playing their games, either directly by payment, or for promotions and such, or occasionally just committed psychopaths who do it without external reward,

As to Judy Wood, it is unfortunate that she cannot express herself well verbally and gets totally flummoxed when under attack, because her book is a masterpiece. One reason people think she is crazy regarding directed energy weapons is that few are aware that the “breakaway civilization” has technologies decades in advance of what has been released to the public, such as 100 MHz laptops in the mid-1960s. People assume that this sort of weapon would be standard EM such as microwaves, which would be non-sensical as to its apparent results. They are scalar and their effect can be to weaken and break intermolecular bonds. When Maxwell published his equations on EM radiation, he claimed that there was a transverse wave composed of an electric wave and a magnetic wave at right angles to each other as well as the direction of propagation, and a scalar wave in the direction of propagation. The differential equations for the transverse waves could be solved, but the scalar wave could not, at least until high speed computers were invented. Only the English physicist, Oliver Heaviside, was able to solve this issue. He said that they were not important anyway, so let’s just ignore them. And the physics community nodded and agreed.

Why did so many people jump to their deaths from the Towers? IMO, they could have avoided the smudge furniture fires at least until the buildings collapsed (or as Judy would put it “dustified), but what they couldn’t avoid was the excruciating pain caused by the molecules of their bodies’ being torn apart.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Oct 15, 2020 11:56 PM
Reply to  Howard

A conspiracy theory about a conspiracy theory?

Cool.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Oct 16, 2020 1:58 AM
Reply to  Howard

I don’t quite understand, Howard. I agree with controlled demolition, of course. I just say that just as they evacuated WTC-7 they also evacuated WTCs 1 and 2. The planes were faked so no deaths there. It’s very straightforward. The avoidance of death is super easy, right? The only difficulty is making up the people who died or sheepdipping them (giving them a new ID and shipping them off somewhere) but they’ve done it all before and they’ve done it quite a number of times since. They know how to do these things.

What I really find strange is that there is so much opposition to my claim when it seems perfectly reasonable to me. Sure I believed in real death and injury for four years but then I woke up and I think the case I make for it is completely solid and common sense.

They acknowledge many drills and exercises on 9/11 in the first place. What’s the big deal in extrapolating all those drills and exercises into one big massive Full-Scale Anti-Terrorist Exercise pushed out as real?

messenger charles
messenger charles
Oct 15, 2020 5:44 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Keeping it to a minimum at least, are you saying there were no jumpers from the twin towers?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Oct 16, 2020 1:35 AM

That would be necessary for my hypothesis yes. They faked them. If you have any evidence they weren’t faked please let me know what it is.

One needs to look at the evidence from various angles to really get a sense of the staged death and injury and that’s what I do on my webpage.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/3000-dead-and-6000-injured-a-lie.html

We might also consider that there were many recognised exercises (including an anti-hijacker exercise) and drills on 9/11 so is it so farfetched to extrapolate all these drills into one big exercise and see that 9/11 was, in reality, a massive Full-Scale Anti-Terrorist Exercise pushed out as real?

messenger charles
messenger charles
Oct 16, 2020 11:10 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

So you’re saying that the images presented of people jumping from the towers were faked, and if there were no people, why did the fire fighters attempt to climb the stairs in order to rescue people?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Oct 16, 2020 11:57 AM

I’m not saying there were no people. There may well have been people in the buildings although I’d make a pretty good guess that all the people in the buildings were below the floors where the alleged planes crashed into them. So I’d guess firefighters rescued those below those floors but really I’m just guessing – would they have been able to get people out in time? I don’t know how they pulled it off exactly. What I do know is that there is no clear evidence of death and injury while there is clear evidence of fakery.

Anomalous distribution of deaths among firefighter ladders and ranks, issues with memorials and a number of other anomalies
Let’s Roll Forums – The 9/11 Firemen’s Reference Guide

Evidence of one Cantor Fitzgerald employee put forward as three and explanation for how they managed the fakery of the alleged deaths of 658 Cantor Fitzgerald employees 

Just prior to 9/11, Cantor Fitzgerald laid off 800+ employees. Their reason was electronic trading software which made them need fewer bond traders. Yet after releasing up to 500 of these employees which had been laid off, Cantor Fitzgerald hired 200 new and very young bond traders. Most of these fresh new faces would be the ones enshrining Cantor Fitzgerald’s memorial pages at CNN and Legacy.com, not their old timer employees which had been laid off just prior to 9/11 and then graciously rehired after 9/11.
Let’s Roll forums – triplets separated / Cantor Fitzgerald

messenger charles
messenger charles
Oct 17, 2020 6:32 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

“I’m not saying there were no people. There may well have been people in the buildings although I’d make a pretty good guess that all the people in the buildings were below the floors where the alleged planes crashed into them.”

That can only be guess work on your part. There were definitely people on those floors above the missile impact and they jumped because they were being microwaved – cooked from the inside out. That is WHY they jumped.

The logical behaviour would have been to stay inside and hope for the best, but these poor wretches were left with only one option – the less painful option.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Oct 18, 2020 10:06 AM

Let’s do a deal, messenger charles.

You read my case for 9/11 being a massive Full-Scale Anti-Terrorist Exercise comprising the numerous smaller exercises and drills we were informed of in addition to drills we weren’t informed of and I’ll watch your video. You can just read the page on death and injury because that is really all it takes to switch the event from “false flag” to “exercise”.

Let me know when you’ve looked at my case and I’ll watch your video.

https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/3000-dead-and-6000-injured-a-lie.html

messenger charles
messenger charles
Oct 20, 2020 5:50 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

No deals, I have nothing to prove.

Images of jumpers that you also denied existence of:

[CONTENT WARNING! IMAGES OF A GRAPHIC OR DISTURBING NATURE. ADMIN]
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=9%2f11+Jumpers&id=951EC0F6C569887679F3D9618734BBA98764F768&form=EQNAMI&first=1&scenario=ImageBasicHover

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Oct 20, 2020 11:48 PM

…  I have nothing to prove.

… except an open mind.

I certainly don’t deny the existence of the images, messenger charles, please do not strawman me. I recognise the images of the jumpers and I feature one on my webpage, 9/11 and COVID-19: The Parallels – yes I have my own page on the parallels that doesn’t have quite a number of things that Kevin points out but also a couple he doesn’t.

Let’s see where we can have agreement:

1. For an hypothesis to be correct all the evidence must favour it over any other.

2. Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.

I’d say the 9/11 jumpers look no better than what we might expect from a Hollywood movie and you know what they say about 9/11, don’t you?

It was a movie.

So seeming jumpers alone are not compelling evidence unless all the other evidence lines up with death and injury … but it doesn’t. That’s why I ask you to look at my case. If you are not prepared to do that that is your prerogative. I shall not engage in any further dialogue unless you do or unless you come up with very compelling evidence of real death and injury. Please don’t show me anything that could be faked.

https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/3000-dead-and-6000-injured-a-lie.html

messenger charles
messenger charles
Oct 21, 2020 10:43 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

You’re an ego driven obsessive lunatic. Conversation over.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Oct 22, 2020 1:33 AM

Even if all three terms you apply to me are true, Charles, and I certainly wouldn’t argue against all of them why does that mean the conversation is over?

You want to be a messenger of truth, right? You want to be scrupulous in ensuring that what you believe is correct so when someone challenges your belief no matter their personality don’t you think you should do due diligence and give what they say consideration?

An important point to consider:
Until mid-2018 I believed in real death and injury: for 13 years due to the alleged terrorists and for four more years due to the US government. The last year of those four years the real-death-and-injury egg was cracking but I’d say it took a full year if not longer from my acquaintance with the first suggestion of fakery to really switch my belief from real to fake. In retrospect, I simply cannot believe it took so long when almost as soon as I woke up to 9/11 being an inside job I also woke up to Sandy Hook and other events being completely staged. My goodness did it take a long time for the real-death-and-injury egg to fully crack.

The reason?
— Not my emotional investment in the deaths of the people although I would feel sad thinking about the horrible way they would have died.
— Not belief in the evilness of the government (not that I don’t think they kill people, of course), however, I’m not invested in their evilness.

The reason was the power of the truther-targeted propaganda. The counterintuitiveness of the perps pushing out all these people speaking against them wasn’t in my paradigm of how the world works so I simply didn’t see it. I didn’t see how they so massively use controlled opposition to rule the world.

This quote from Sun Tzu’s Art of War 100% applies:
If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.

They KNOW themselves and they are not shy in pushing out what evil bastards they are when they know it allows them to have better control over us.

What made me believe in real death and injury and then what made me not believe in it? The very same things!

— I believed in it because of the jumpers and then I didn’t believe in it because of the jumpers. First they seemed real and then they seemed fake.

— I believed in it because of Bob McIlvaine and his son Bobby dying in the lobby of the North tower and then I didn’t believe in it because of Bob and his son (the family photos are obviously doctored).

— I believed in it because of Jeremy Rys’s brilliant propaganda film telling us about all the people engaged in financial auditing targeted in the buildings – and then I didn’t believe in it when I woke up to the fact that it was propaganda – boy did I swallow that film so very, very hard.

The list goes on.

Now I could bring the mountain to Mohammad by pasting a point or two from my webpage on the staging of death and injury in this comment but I won’t. I leave it up to you, messenger Charles. I leave it up to you to do the due diligence that anyone genuinely concerned with ensuring they are correct in their beliefs is obliged to do.

https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/3000-dead-and-6000-injured-a-lie.html

JuraCalling
JuraCalling
Oct 15, 2020 8:19 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

” of course, there are genuine whistleblowers but I don’t think I know one connected with 9/11.”

Then allow me to recommend one. Susan Lindauer. She was aware months before the ‘shock attack’ that America were just waiting to arrange the date, negotiate the pretext for a war, and then divide the spoils.

3,000 innocent pawns were burned off the chessboard that day.

https://steemit.com/politics/@ura-soul/the-whistleblowers-series-3-exposing-911-as-an-inside-job-susan-lindauer-cia-asset-imprisoned-and-drugged-by-us-gov-mil-to

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Oct 16, 2020 1:24 AM
Reply to  JuraCalling

If you accept that 9/11 was a massive Full-Scale Anti-Terrorist Exercise pushed out as a real event then genuine whistleblower doesn’t fit in the picture unless they’re calling out staged death and injury … and certainly no alleged whistleblower is doing that, Jura.

I’ve made my case for Exercise on my website so, as far as I’m concerned, there simply cannot be genuine whistleblowers.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/11.html

JuraCalling
JuraCalling
Oct 16, 2020 3:46 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I never said i accepted that. I believe the event served many people in more than one way.

It provided a pretext for war. A war which would make the criminal cartel of liars even richer than they already were.

It provided a reason to set a new rule book up in the shape of The Patriot Act. A tome whose very title makes the average American feel guilty if questioning it’s reasoning.

It provided the bankers a lot of money by funding ( yet another) war at interest.

It provided a valid reason to begin the first stages of the final act of a global dictatorship. It was the death knell for democracy, or the imitation democracy that fooled us all.

October 15, 1998: Future 9/11 Commission Executive Director Zelikow Says ‘Public Assumptions’ Shape Views of History. That was a full three years before 9 /11.

In a previous publication, Zelikow had written about how a catastrophic terrorism event could constitute a momentous, history-shaping milestone: 

 “An act of catastrophic terrorism that killed thousands or tens of thousands of people… would be a watershed event in America’s history.… Like Pearl Harbor, such an event would divide our past and future into a ‘before’ and ‘after’” (see November 1997-August 1998).

When America finally caved in to public pressure long after the 9 /11 ‘searing event’ they made this psychic the director of the 9 /11 commission and spent a few dollars of spare change on it.The remit was to blame terrorists.Even for building 7 ( which just fell over hours later- all 47 storeys.)

All of this suggests that the plans were not hatched in the middle east or abroad.The game was to make the rich richer, the dumb less free and the Muslim the bogeyman who caused it all.

All those with blood, money and blood money on their hands used the commission to wash it away.Then they pointed the finger abroad and too many followed it.

Susan Lindauer is only one whistleblower. There are plenty. And of course some died soon after they spoke up.But you could take your Occams razor to Susan Lindauer if you like and see why she can’t be one.

Fact Checker
Fact Checker
Oct 16, 2020 5:49 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

If you accept that 9/11 was a massive Full-Scale Anti-Terrorist Exercise pushed out as a real event…”

Nobody does ‘cept you, Liveranoinions.

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Oct 15, 2020 3:49 PM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

Gallinazo, thanks very much for reminding me who Kevin Ryan is. Petra is just being her usual tiresome self.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Oct 15, 2020 5:13 PM
Reply to  Dr NG Maroudas

I just figured that Petra is controlled opposition by her own understanding since she is blowing the whistle on Kevin Ryan.

Catte Black
Catte Black
Oct 15, 2020 3:43 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

hi Petra –

look, you are welcome to come here and repeat-post your poorly-sourced certitudes We have decided to find it charming and won’t bow to pressure to have you characterized as a troll.

But please let’s have a minimum of decorum here.

By all means put forward your hypothesis about faked death if you want. Maybe you even have a point. Maybe the numbers of dead were inflated to conceal the fact so many tenants had been forewarned and vacated for the day.

So what? Ultimately what diff?

The fact is P that whether 3,000 or 300 died in the towers that day is less important to most people than the lie about HOW and WHY the towers came down, and the numbers of dead accrued since then due to dust inhalation on the day and in the bloody wars that 9/11 has been used to justify.

Your idea that this ‘fake death’ hypothesis is the crucial issue and YOU are some brave crusader fighting a heroic lone battle is simply silly.

It’s not crucial. It’s a footnote. A point to be considered by historians. The fact you think it’s so important and use it to attack the core members of the truth community indicates you have been conned by the actual controlled opposition you believe you are so bravely outing.

It’s the video of Building 7 coming down that has won thousands of people over – not someone worrying about how many people were actually inside it when it was blown up.

Of ourse that doesn’t mean you can’t focus on the issue you personally find important. But try to have a minimal respect for reality – ok? And don’t insult those who have made real sacrifices and achieved real results and woken real people up in their thousands.

Deal?

Catte B

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 15, 2020 6:49 PM
Reply to  Catte Black

But but but nobody died at Hiroshima or Nagasaki, either…!

Laugh

Nick
Nick
Oct 15, 2020 10:46 PM
Reply to  Catte Black

Absolutely
Going round in circles talking dropping poorly substantiated theories is a waste of time
The official narrative has more holes than swiss cheese…it’s bs.
Unbelievable 19 years on people engaged in circular activity.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Oct 16, 2020 1:41 AM
Reply to  Catte Black

It’s the video of Building 7 coming down that has won thousands of people over – not someone worrying about how many people were actually inside it when it was blown up.

Most certainly, Catte. It sure is. It certainly preoccupied my mind too. Ever wonder if there might be a reason for everyone’s devotion to the study of its collapse?

Please answer this question:

Why did they bring down WTC-7 in a highly-incriminating showcase implosion on 9/11 with all the journalists commenting on how it looked like controlled demolition but not give us any clue about the destructions of WTCs 3-6?

Vince DeMentri, WCBS reporter
“It was almost as if it were a planned implosion. It just pancaked.”
Note his smile as he says the word “pancaked”.

Al Jones, 1010 WINS reporter
“And I turned in time to see what looked like a skyscraper implosion. It looked like it had been done by a demolition crew, the whole thing just collapsing down on itself.”

Dan Rather, CBS News Anchor
“Amazing, incredible, pick your word. For the third time today, it’s reminiscent of those pictures we’ve all seen too much on television before, where a building was deliberately destroyed by well-placed dynamite to knock it down.”

Brian Williams and David Restuccio
Conversation between Brian Williams, MSNBC News Anchor and David Restuccio, FDNY EMS Lieutenant about WTC-7, the third building to collapse at the WTC on 9/11, after its collapse:

“Can you confirm it was No 7 that just went in?” [“Went in” is a term used in controlled demolition that comes from the fact that the buildings fall in on themselves.]

“Yes, sir.”

“And you guys knew this was comin’ all day.”

“We had heard reports that the building was unstable and that eventually it would either come down on its own or it would be taken down.”

Catte Black
Catte Black
Oct 16, 2020 10:59 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Most certainly, Catte. It sure is. It certainly preoccupied my mind too. Ever wonder if there might be a reason for everyone’s devotion to the study of its collapse?

P darling, you know the reason – because it works! Because ordinary people are persuaded by it and it helps wake them up.

Your argument is (I think) that the perps cleared the buildings, blew them up,  told everyone they did it, and  then faked a bunch of deaths so that no one would believe them. Your central a priori assumption being that people would be deterred from accepting the govt would kill so many of its own citizens and would therefore reject the evidence of controlled demolition on that basis.

Well, leaving aside the sheer insanity of telling someone something you don’t want them to know because you’re sure they won’t believe you, you need to accept your reasoning fails at its own first hurdle.  The number of dead is NOT what stops most people accepting 9/11 was an inside job. 

The mere fact Jones, Ryan, AE911Truth et al have been so successful in reaching a wide audience through the WTC7 and nanothermite data totally invalidates and nullifies your a priori assumption and therefore your entire hypothesis. 

It’s dead right there. Done with. Finished. 

You mean well and try hard – but you have taken a major wrong turning by assuming the more unpopular  and fringey  an idea is the more likely it is to be true, and have ended up being taken in by some major lunatics and shills. My advice is to pause for a major rethink.

PS – your reasoning also assumes infallibility and is therefore unfalsifiable. If a thing happens you take it a priori that it was intended to be seen to happen. This is a major logical error which persists in leading you badly astray. You ask the wrong question based on the wrong assumption. 

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Oct 16, 2020 11:44 AM
Reply to  Catte Black

Catte, the question you answered was really more a throwaway. I’d like you to answer this question:

Why did they bring down WTC-7 in a highly-incriminating showcase implosion on 9/11 with all the journalists commenting on how it looked like controlled demolition but not give us any clue about the destructions of WTCs 3-6?

Catte Black
Catte Black
Oct 17, 2020 9:24 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

P – you are doing exactly the thing I describe in my previous reply – assuming everything done is intended to be seen to be done and reasoning from there. That’s a major error in logic that invalidates everything that follows after.

But to answer you –

Who cares? What does it matter why the controlled demolition of WTC7 is so obvious? What does it matter whether it was some deluded intention or an accident? The point is it is obvious, and because of that it has woken up thousands and thousands of people to the the Big Lie. If the PTB were crazy enough to do it on purpose (as you believe) it has backfired – hugely.

So, if you really want to wake people up – start pushing the truths that do it most effectively – the evidence for nanothermite In the dust and the video of WTC7 collapsing into its own footprint.

Or at very least stop doing the perps’ work for them by diverting attention and energy away from these crucial things

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Oct 18, 2020 7:58 AM
Reply to  Catte Black

The point is it is obvious, and because of that it has woken up thousands and thousands of people to the the Big Lie. If the PTB were crazy enough to do it on purpose (as you believe) it has backfired – hugely.

I must say, Catte, when I saw the word “backfired” my eyes widened. I’m like “backfired”, “backfired”?? What on earth can Catte mean? What? Who? Where? When? How? The idea was as novel to me as the novel coronavirus. “Backfired”? Really? How wonderful that would be. I puzzled and puzzled and came up with a theory. In addition to all the thousands and thousands woken up by WTC-7’s Emperor’s-New-Clothes collapse, it’s the combined efforts of the Lawyers Committee for 9/11 Inquiry, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, the family members and Leroy Hulsey from Alaska University with his study of WTC-7’s collapse and the core community of 9/11 truth. That’s what’s given Catte confidence in justice being served, in truth spilling out into the mainstream. That’s where her idea of “backfired” has come from.

I readily admit that that the efforts of these organisations and people gave me confidence too, Catte … until mid-2018 (it seems such a distant memory now) when I realised that death and injury were staged, that the “9/11 families” were actors, that the Lawyers Committee (I checked out Daniel Sheehan and found he’d worked on the 1984 La Penca bombing which looks like yet another staged event) were bogus and then eventually much to my chagrin, that Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, who have produced such wonderful material on the building collapses, are a government-sponsored organisation – of course, there are genuine members and even Richard Gage himself may well be genuine – he certainly puts on a good act if he isn’t but then there are so very many good actors in the 9/11 truth community. They deserve Oscars.

Our perceptions of 9/11 and of how the power elite control our minds generally are just so very, very different I’m not sure they can be reconciled, Catte. To me, “9/11 Truth” is 100% controlled and I believe that nothing will come out of the supposed legal action conducted by the Lawyers Committee because whatever happens it will be completely controlled to result in zero just like the 9/11 Commission.

These are my beliefs which you are very welcome to challenge:

9/11 was a massive Full-Scale Anti-Terrorist Exercise comprising the numerous exercises and drills conducted through 9/11 we were informed of in addition to other exercises and drills about which global citizens were not informed. Given the nature of 9/11 the following must necessarily apply:

— The 9/11 Commission was a double-layered duping affair:
Bob McIlvaine saying with disgust that the commission report was a piece of fiction is pure staging, as was the replacement of Kissinger by Philip Zelikow. Everything said and done by the Commissioners and those associated with the Commission, including the family members, who were “in the know” was staged.

— The Lawyers Committee for 9/11 Inquiry is bogus.

— Much of the 9/11 core community is paid controlled opposition who have been massively successful in controlling the minds of genuine truthers into believing that 9/11 was a “false flag” operation rather than massive “exercise”. Compelling testimony of this is in the fact that psyop analysts such as myself who have studied numerous psyops such as Sandy Hook believe (until they are apprised otherwise) that while Sandy Hook et al are all completely staged events 9/11 is “different” in that death and injury were real. Why would psyop analysts recognise that while all the other psyops were completely staged 9/11 was different unless some targeted propaganda led them to believe it was “special”? It certainly wasn’t, for example, the quality of the visuals for the injured which are utterly lame and caused me to face-palm massively when I went searching for them after waking up to the propaganda campaign targeted at us.

What you and I think is important is completely at odds. To me, it is of utmost importance to recognise the KIND of event 9/11 was, that is, essentially an “exercise” pushed out as real rather than a “false flag”. When you realise what 9/11 really was then obviously you are not going to rely on the Lawyers Committee and A&E to represent truthers in their fight for justice – that will not happen.

Waking up to the kind of event 9/11 prompted me to check other events that have been regarded as “false flags” including:
— Pearl Harbour
— The 1980 Bologna Station bombing
— The post-9/11 anthrax attacks

On scrutiny I found these three events, just like 9/11, were not “false flags” but “exercises” pushed out as real with similar hallmarks to 9/11 such as obvious signs that they were psyops.

It also prompted me to question the term “false flag”. It occurred to me that “false flag” is a propaganda term that misleads people into believing that a crime has been committed where Group A accuses Group B of being the perpetrator when it’s really Group A, however, the reality is that while the perpetrator part of the false flag may be true the crime part is not. There is no real crime committed, it is all staged. Some false flags are committed where the crime is real, for example, assassinations (although I have my doubts about some of those even), however, very often I believe there is no “real crime”, the crime is staged. I now avoid the term “false flag” in favour of psyop.

Catte Black
Catte Black
Oct 18, 2020 1:46 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

It ‘backfired’, sweetheart, because the perps original aim was – in your opinion – to deter people from believing 9/11 was an inside job, and the opposite has happened.

i don’t know how to make that any easier to grasp.

I think you have lost touch with what this is about. We are trying to wake people up to the fact the official story is a lie, ok? The people you have decided are ‘controlled opposition’ are succeeding in doing that – waking up thousands and thousands of ordinary people. Whereas you and those others obsessing over side issues like the numbers of dead or whether it was a a ‘false flag’ or a ‘psyop’ are – at best – indulging in a minority hobby – of value or interest to no one beside yourselves. I urge you to reconsider your priorities.

I’m sorry to be so relatively brief in reply to such a long reiteration of your opinions but I have a site to run!

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Oct 18, 2020 2:29 PM
Reply to  Catte Black

As I say in my previous post, I believe 9/11 Truth is 100% controlled and the Lawyers Committee for 9/11 Inquiry is as bogus as the 9/11 Commission which must necessarily be the case if I’m correct in saying that 9/11 was, in reality, a massive Full-Scale Anti-Terrorist Exercise pushed out as a real event.

If all the extra truthers coming on board because of the clear evidence of WTC-7’s collapse put their trust in the Lawyers Committee to take the case to court then nothing will happen. The extra numbers won’t make a shred of difference.

The power elite have been ruling us for millennia. They are very, very experienced in their psyops. The notion that they would push out WTC-7’s collapse deliberately and have it “backfire” on them does strike me as amusing I have to say. Really, Catte? They’ve pushed it out deliberately and it’s backfired on them? (You say I “believe” they’ve pushed it out deliberately but the evidence overwhelmingly supports that claim – I just counted 7 vantage points from which its collapse was filmed. This simply doesn’t fit the idea they are doing what you’d expect for an incriminating event. It’s obvious they’re behaving counterintuitively and being in power means behaving counterintuitively – behaving predictably doesn’t keep you power.)

I think you need to explain more clearly exactly how it’s backfired on them for that notion to have any credibility.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Oct 18, 2020 2:42 PM
Reply to  Catte Black

Actually, let’s just make it simple. I really do not understand why you find no significance in the difference between a massive Full-Scale Anti-Terrorist Exercise pushed out as real and a “false flag”, I really, really don’t. To me, they are absolutely worlds apart.

However, let’s look at it this way:

“Exercise” means categorically that the Lawyers Committee for 9/11 Inquiry is bogus because it means the “9/11 families” are bogus.

Do you see significance in the fact that the Lawyers Committee for 9/11 Inquiry is as bogus as the 9/11 Commission (assuming it is)?

Mark Millward
Mark Millward
Oct 15, 2020 9:12 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Petra’s over the target, bomb doors open. How do we know? Intense troll flak (down votes). Must’ve attracted the attention of the 77th! Well done Petra Liverani!

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Oct 16, 2020 2:11 AM
Reply to  Mark Millward

I’m not of a military mindset, Mark, but love it!!

mgeo
mgeo
Oct 16, 2020 9:41 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

There was no “collapse”, nor “controlled demolition”. There is no such thing as nano-thermite. What happened was this:
911 NYC full sequence

345 NYC fire-fighters who worked at the WTC disaster site have died of cancer: an unprecedented rate. Thousands of others are sick or dying, but this is only reported abroad. Their illnesses are deliberately misdiagnosed or attributed to spurious or unspecified “toxic” substances. NYC government recently settled lawsuits for medical care or compensation by 10,000 persons, of whom over 600 had cancer. Yet, officials maintain that there is no proof the WTC disaster caused this. – Gordon Duff, 2011

crank
crank
Oct 15, 2020 11:21 AM

Researched 9/11 for about ten years, following developments closely. Ryan struck me as one of the most balanced and sane voices in the mix, and his book looking at possible suspects was a significant effort to move the conversation forward from “what happened ?” toward, “who did it and why?”.
Much as I respect his efforts and those of others too many to mention, in terms of presenting a coherent explanation for those latter questions, I’ve only really read the likes of Barrett, Bolyn and Sarkovski as offering something that makes sense. Most researchers conclude that 9/11 was perpetrated by “”the neocons””, yet when it comes to any in depth assessment of who the neocons actually are, who founded the movement, what their objectives are/were, most of the 9/11 truth movement just peters out to silence.
These events are primarily about narrative control. The narratives do not stand for more than a moment under any kind of scrutiny, so the essential element in the whole show is stopping that scrutiny from entering the public mind. Which individuals are placed in the key positions controlling Covid narratives and information in this era of Twitter, Facebook, Google and Youtube? Which individuals were at the narrative’s forefront from the very beginning of the 9/11 saga ?
Answer that, with ruthless honesty, and you might start to understand the true deep motives behind these events -when the abstract concepts of ‘imperialism’ or ‘control’ are not sufficient.
Saying that, for what it covers, great work by Ryan here.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Oct 15, 2020 1:03 PM
Reply to  crank

Crank, the only thing that makes sense is that 9/11 was a psyop in the true sense of the word not a half-arsed psyop where they faked half and did half for real. That is the only thing that makes any sense, OK? Can you imagine the loved ones of 3,000 people obviously murdered by their own government being polite about it? Can you imagine them lying down and taking it as they seemingly have for 19 years? If your son or daughter had been murdered by your government would you take it lying down? Why have the loved ones of 3,000 people taken it lying down for 19 years? Please tell me, WHY?

Millions have been spent on “9/11 Truth” whose ultimate purpose has simply been to smother the pivotal truth of 9/11: death and injury were staged.

The funny thing is that even though they’ve spent all those millions and hired all those people they still tell us the truth underneath the magic propaganda dust. They tell us in:

— the obviously doctored photos of Bob McIlvaine and his son, Bobby

— the ludicrous story of April Gallop being instructed to take her baby son into the office instead of immediately to the creche

— the sloppy fakery of the memorials: names don’t match, very poor quality photos, absence of photos, messages unconvincing

— the obvious fakery of dead bodies

— the ludicrousness of the last burns patient leaving hospital who’s obviously really suffering vitiligo

— the complete unconvincingness of the injured who look clearly as if they’re really “drill” injured

— the obvious anomalies in the timeline provided by William Rodriguez, allegedly the “last man out of the North tower” who rescued “hundreds” before it collapsed

— the ludicrous “miracle survivor” stories – yes, we’re meant to believe that a few people survived the 12-second collapse of the North tower

No one has responded to my challenge to provide 10 points that favour real death and injury over staged.

Am I doomed to the Sisyphean task of bleating the bleeding obvious forever until I die? Why is everyone so resistant to the bleeding obvious? 9/11 was a massive Full-Scale Anti-Terrorist Exercise pushed out as real where the only realities were damage to and destruction of buildings. That’s it. No planes, staged death and injury.

https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/3000-dead-and-6000-injured-a-lie.html

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 15, 2020 1:28 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

The moon is made of cheese. It’s bleeding obvious

JuraCalling
JuraCalling
Oct 15, 2020 8:58 PM

I don’t believe in cheese.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Oct 15, 2020 2:09 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Has there been a background check on all the 3000 dead at all?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Oct 15, 2020 2:15 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

Not as far as I know but you don’t need it to prove staged death and injury. Everywhere you turn in investigation of death and injury there are anomalies. It’s not important to prove that no one died or was injured – perhaps a small number died or were injured accidentally or were specifically targeted but the 3,000 dead / 6,000 injured story does not add up in any shape or form and we know right off the bat that 265 people didn’t die in plane crashes because the evidence shows that none of the nominated airliners crashed.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Oct 15, 2020 2:19 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Or even a list of the dead on the plane even?
Even the name of the airline who supposed to have their plane hijacked?

These are obvious questions I’ve not seen any real evidence for.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Oct 15, 2020 2:30 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

Here’s a list of all the passengers.
https://stgvisie.home.xs4all.nl/List-of-Passengers-911.html

Jon Revusky has done a report on Betty Ong, allegedly a flight attendant on Flight 11 who provided a lot of the story for the alleged hijacking of that plane.

Flight attendant, Betty Ong – Revisiting 9/11, Betty Ong, and the Mystery of “Black Betty”

mgeo
mgeo
Oct 16, 2020 9:48 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

There are many such lists. They kept changing over months and years.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Oct 16, 2020 11:35 AM
Reply to  mgeo

Yes, precisely, which shows how meaningful they are.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Oct 15, 2020 4:07 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

It is likely any evidence presented to you would be rejected out of hand ?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Oct 16, 2020 1:59 AM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

You can only give it a try, Jim. I present evidence all the time that is ignored. You can only try me out.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Oct 15, 2020 4:05 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Does not add up ? Like 2+2 = 5 perhaps ? The inside job conspiracy is part of the CIA misinformation campaign , just as foolish as denying the Covid strain of corona virus , a minor flu variant , does not exist ?

Pal
Pal
Oct 15, 2020 7:24 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

Ok – so explain how a bunch of terrorists wired three high rise buildings for demolition with tons of nanothermite

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Oct 15, 2020 8:20 PM
Reply to  Pal

No one wire anything ?You misunderstand my position , I believe almost to a certainty that 2 airliners took down the poorly constructed to begin with bankster towers. I have seen cell phone pictures shown to me , a few days after the attack, of the buildings taken at the time of the impacts just by happenstance..

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Oct 15, 2020 9:18 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

You may believe what you like, but it’s nonsense. The towers were not poorly constructed and no one ever suggested they fell due to plane impacts alone. Read the NIST report. Or just keep making stuff up about cellphone pix if that’s easier for you 🙄

porkpie
porkpie
Oct 15, 2020 11:38 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

You’re wasting your time with this lot, Jim.

Ort
Ort
Oct 16, 2020 7:56 PM
Reply to  porkpie

And vice-versa.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Oct 15, 2020 3:56 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

Yes , and thousands of their relatives have been interviewed, some repeatedly in the run up to the Iraq invasion.

mgeo
mgeo
Oct 16, 2020 9:52 AM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

Yet, almost none of them applied for compensation?

Patrick
Patrick
Oct 15, 2020 2:31 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Petra, I am basically sympathetic to your point of view but to take one example

we’re meant to believe that a few people survived the 12-second collapse of the North tower”

Well if we follow Dr Judy Woods idea that the towers were ‘dustified’ and did not actually ‘collapse’ then this ‘miracle’ survivor story makes sense. The building turned to dust about them and they were able to walk out. Have you read Judy Wood “Where Did the Towers Go?” I think it would be well worth your time if you have not.

But I agree with you about fakery etc The more we focus and look for a ‘virus’ the more we are being misdirected. I think the fact they released this virus story in the Spring is even evidence of fakery they did not want this fictitious virus to have much of any real world consequences or connections. This ‘story’ was released just as any real seasonal flu/cold was no longer a factor

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Oct 15, 2020 2:33 PM
Reply to  Patrick

I think you need to actually read the “miracle survivor” stories before you give them any credence, Patrick. I don’t believe Judy Wood anyway, I think she’s controlled opposition.
http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/sept11/2003/n_9189/

Patrick
Patrick
Oct 15, 2020 3:45 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Petra, but it seems you have not read Judy Woods’ book, you can throw around phrases like ‘controlled opposition’ but that does not get us very far. I do not believe this of Judy Woods at all and it is interesting her main ‘partner’ in her work a guy called Andrew Johnson has done great work attempting to show covid is a hoax. Both Ms Wood and Mr Johnson have imo total integrity and I have never perceived even a hint of deception from either of them. Funny enough her analysis of 9/11 ends up if fairly similar territory as yourself. You might be surprised by how much you have in common

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Oct 15, 2020 5:20 PM
Reply to  Patrick

Andrew Johnson and Judy Wood have both shown themselves to be pretty deceptive in their attacks on other members of the truth community – especially Steven Jones

messenger charles
messenger charles
Oct 15, 2020 5:52 PM

Steven Jones is a disso, along with Fetzer, so not a truther.

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Oct 15, 2020 7:26 PM

Do you have any evidence at all to support that?

messenger charles
messenger charles
Oct 16, 2020 11:14 AM
Reply to  Admin1

Yes he claims that the twin towers were brought down by controlled demolition, a blatant lie, which the seismic record for the day alone proved.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Oct 16, 2020 11:44 AM

No – I think you will find what Jones does is claim there is evidence for thermite in the WTC dust – and prove this with data. This is why he has been so attacked. Because this simple fact – the presence of thermite in the dust – completely destroys the official story. Hence so much energy going in to discrediting him and diverting attention on to various dead-end issues like DEW weapons and ‘no one died’ nonsense. Keep everyone arguing rather than uniting around the single most crucial piece of physical evidence to date.

BDBinc
BDBinc
Oct 15, 2020 7:33 PM

Haha you rig the votes here and you censor …so is that love of the truth or love of one narrative for the ” truth community”?
https://notpublicaddress.wordpress.com/2020/10/13/what-new-virus/

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Oct 15, 2020 7:54 PM
Reply to  BDBinc

Sorry BD – we don’t rig the votes, you’re just not very popular – man up and deal

BDBinc
BDBinc
Oct 15, 2020 8:19 PM

Yes you do. I’ve seen it and I’ve also seen my votes removed thats rigging the votes.
Your CO narrative is very popular as was your old false claim supporting msm there was a new disease “covid”, when you just talked about the face masks and measures etc.
You never said why you even use the facebook up down votes( to promote comments for the one O Guardian narrative).
Yes I am unpopular here at the off shoot of Guardian.
https://notpublicaddress.wordpress.com/2020/09/16/the-rise-of-the-alt-right-msm/

John Pretty
John Pretty
Oct 16, 2020 12:23 AM
Reply to  BDBinc

No they don’t.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Oct 16, 2020 1:52 AM
Reply to  Patrick

Patrick, loads of people say Judy Wood is controlled opposition but for all I know it was DEWs. Actually, I like to stick to the simplest explanation possible: the buildings came down by controlled means. That’s good enough. Getting wound up in exactly how is what they want us to do.

messenger charles
messenger charles
Oct 15, 2020 6:25 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Oct 16, 2020 1:31 AM

Just to say I never go to a link without some explanation of it.

messenger charles
messenger charles
Oct 16, 2020 11:17 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Ha ha a cop out. I knew it, a 100% disso.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Oct 16, 2020 12:18 PM

No, it’s not. A friend very annoyingly constantly sends me videos without an explanation and I tell him repeatedly not to do it. I’ve found that quite often when I clicked the video I really didn’t understand why he’d emailed it. I’d never email a link to a video myself without some small explanation, I think it’s kind of rude. What puzzles me is why anyone does it.

Just explain why you’ve put the link and I’ll respond. Pretty simple.

messenger charles
messenger charles
Oct 17, 2020 6:38 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

The video shows the core steels turning into dust and floating away.

Howard
Howard
Oct 15, 2020 4:34 PM
Reply to  Patrick

I have read Judy Wood’s “Where Did the Towers Go” and found it to be less than internally consistent. Much of what she says does make sense; but her flat out dismissal of anything outside of her own theory is rather disturbing – especially since she is unable to shed any light at all on where such a high energy beam weapon would have been located to effect the damage.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Oct 15, 2020 5:21 PM
Reply to  Howard

She said at one time she thought it might be in space

messenger charles
messenger charles
Oct 15, 2020 6:14 PM

If you were paying attention you would know that laser weapons are frequently used in the Middle East, including the recent explosion in Lebanon, and for starting so called wildfires in California – not to mention the spate of not so suspicious sink holes that suddenly started appearing all over the world – of course just a coincidence!!

The US military now have cloaked space craft developed from secret German technology they acquired in 1945. This was being developed in the background whilst they kept the plebs occupied with the faked Appollo ‘moon missions’.

They have also fooled the people into thinking that they are UFOs, that is, when they decide to make them briefly visible. These craft are most likely more than capable of atomizing two concrete and steel buildings. Let’s face it they have turned Syrian and Iraqi cities into heaps of dust.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Oct 15, 2020 7:50 PM

If you were paying attention you would know that laser weapons are frequently used in the Middle East, including the recent explosion in Lebanon, and for starting so called wildfires in California – not to mention the spate of not so suspicious sink holes that suddenly started appearing all over the world – of course just a coincidence!!

That’s like saying “I used this shotgun to kill a deer therefore a shotgun brought down the WTC towers.” The amount of energy required to do what was done to the TTs with a ‘laser’ would be astronomical and impossible. Which is why Wood never did any calculations about it.

That stuff about the Nazi flying saucer is great – but I’m not gonna bother commenting on it 😘

messenger charles
messenger charles
Oct 15, 2020 5:56 PM
Reply to  Howard

Never mind all that, what have you got that explains the dustification of solid steel girders, and point me to a serious engineering rebuttal of what she’s written. Then I will take notice.

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Oct 15, 2020 7:27 PM

There is no evidence any of the steel was ‘dustified’. Calculations have been done on this that refute Wood’s data-free assertions

messenger charles
messenger charles
Oct 17, 2020 6:44 PM
Reply to  Admin1
Kalen
Kalen
Oct 15, 2020 3:10 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

You seems confused about what psyop is or can be and definitely it is not solely making up completely phony non-existing events that never happened.

It is in most documented examples deliberately creating real event and that via manipulation of emotions and exaggerations, imposing completely fabricated interpretations and narratives via medial engagement to enact preconceived and preplanned political and socioeconomic changes that face insurmountable opposition and can be only forces on population under exigent circumstances in invoked by medial manufacturing of large scale National threat.

Reichstag in fact was burnt by Nazis although fire was small and the fire did not constitute a signal for communists to overthrow Weimar Republic what Hitler claimed demanding state of emergency to be imposed while he was a running government. It was classical psyop.

messenger charles
messenger charles
Oct 16, 2020 1:52 PM
Reply to  Kalen

In 1933 Germany’s parliament building in Berlin, the Reichstag, was set on fire by communists. Marinus van der Lubbe, a 23 years old Dutch communist was apprehended at the scene and 3 others arrested later. The Jews to this day falsify history and claim the Nazis started the fire for their own political ends

“I have always been thoroughly convinced that the Dutch Communist, Marinus van der Lubbe, committed this act of arson unaided. He claimed to have set the Reichstag building on fire as a protest against the rising power of the Nazis and during the trial, he stated sole responsibility and was even hostile to the idea of being declared innocent. It is alao worth noting that The other four defendants, all Communsts, (Ernst Torgler, Georgi Dimitrov, Blagoi Popov, and Vassili Tanev) brought to trial were all cleared and set free.”

— Rob Jones

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 15, 2020 3:37 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

‘No planes, staged death and injury’ is such an extreme claim that it invites mockery. Also, Occam’s razor means that the simplest explanation for events and phenomena trumps complex, convoluted theory, like the one you give here. Here’s my theory of why 9/11 happened: Islamism. Sadly, I can bleat about religious hate until I die, but OffG will almost certainly treat me and my opinion as blasphemous, delete me again, and so confirm fears of leftist intolerance, blindness, hypocrisy, and authoritarianism. And, if OffG already knows what’s true, why on earth set up a forum to debate it, or ever debate anything?

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Oct 15, 2020 6:03 PM

Stop claiming to have posts deleted when you know this is a lie

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Oct 16, 2020 2:02 AM

Occam’s Razor is not about simplest explanation for “events” it is about the simplest explanation for the EVIDENCE. The EVIDENCE!

Extreme?

To my mind to think that the US government would callously and cold-bloodedly allow those poor people in the buildings to die when they could so easily fake their deaths is extreme – it is absurd, it is preposterous.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Oct 15, 2020 3:54 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

That 9/11, American version , was the desired “good crisis” the Bush Regime wanted is obvious ? Why does it have to be a complex inside job when assigning some religious warriors to fly airliners into the shoddily built bankster towers is much simpler ? That the Saudis pulled off this act of war with just a little help from the Bush regime and gained substantially from it was and is the real tragedy here.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Oct 15, 2020 4:21 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

The towers were not shoddily built. You have already been told this sufficiently that your continued advocacy of this falsehood is starting to seem strange.

Ken Garoo
Ken Garoo
Oct 16, 2020 10:40 AM

The towers were built using a design that maximised leasable floor space containing massive open plan office space with no structural support other than the lift shafts and the outer steel supports. The design was effectively a rectangular steel tube. There is a parallel in the UK – the tubular steel tower on Emley Moor collapsed when the outer steel shell deformed and lost structural integrity.

https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/50-years-21-pictures-emley-moor-tv-tower-collapse-484853

Fred the builder
Fred the builder
Oct 16, 2020 11:06 AM
Reply to  Ken Garoo

That is just a lie – it flagrantly omits the fact the ‘lift shaft’ was embedded in a massive core of connected steel columns that formed that actual base support structure. The exact same design was utilized in the new freedom tower btw – which kinda undermines any idea it was considered faulty

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
Oct 15, 2020 6:27 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

The most shoddily built hi rises would still not have come down from minimal damage and fires which heated most of the steel samples examined by NIST to only 500 deg F, WAY short of the 1112 deg F needed to weaken structural steel significantly, this would not have resulted in massive steel beams being flung horizontally hundreds of feet, would not have led to molten steel and iron being found at the site in ample amounts…. would not have led WTC 7, which was NOT hit by a plane to come down in 6 seconds. Speaking here as someone with an engineering degree.

Howard
Howard
Oct 15, 2020 4:50 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

When you speak of the families of those murdered by their own government, you open a Pandora’s Box of corpses. Namely, the thousands upon thousands of US soldiers used as cannon fodder in the Empire’s Wars of Aggression. Very few of their families speak out.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Oct 16, 2020 1:27 AM
Reply to  Howard

That’s true, however, when you go into the military death is a recognised possibility. On your own soil in a civilian situation it’s a different matter. But it’s just one element of my argument, of course. I mean, we have an alleged “loved one”, Bob McIlvaine, but the photographs of him and his son, Bobby, are obviously doctored and there is so much other evidence supporting the hypothesis that 9/11 was a massive Full-Scale Anti-Terrorist Exercise pushed out as a real event.

messenger charles
messenger charles
Oct 15, 2020 5:47 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

“Can you imagine the loved ones of 3,000 people obviously murdered by their own government being polite about it?”

What makes you think the relatives question the official narrative?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Oct 16, 2020 1:30 AM

When a loved one dies I think the scales tend to fall from people’s eyes more easily, however, even if they believed the official story wouldn’t they be jumping up and down about how the US multi-trillion dollar defence system paid for by their tax dollars failed so spectacularly with no good explanation on 9/11?

Fred the builder
Fred the builder
Oct 16, 2020 11:08 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

So basically your whole argument on this point is based in what you think people would do. Would you listen to anyone else make a point on so flimsy a basis? I mean I can counter that by just saying I don’t think that’s what people would do. Is either of our opinions valid evidence?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Oct 16, 2020 11:34 AM

So basically your whole argument on this point is based in what you think people would do.

Not at all, Fred. My thinking, unlike most people’s it seems to me, is guided by the constant question “Does everything fit my hypothesis?”. So what I do is throw out certain items that fit my hypothesis for consideration but always behind the point I throw out is whatever other available evidence supports that hypothesis.

When the truth about a matter is under question I tend to see the world in terms of washing lines representing the various possible hypotheses and I’m always checking to see if each handkerchief (representing a particular fact or piece of evidence) fits on my chosen washing line. If it doesn’t I know I need to change my hypothesis.

Does that make sense?

So my case for staged death and injury is below, however, I think that the perps if for no other reason (although there are many) wouldn’t have killed all those people is that they wouldn’t want all those loved ones of those 3,000 people running amok. That would screw with their control of the story and control of the story is paramount for them.

https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/3000-dead-and-6000-injured-a-lie.html

Roberto
Roberto
Oct 15, 2020 6:49 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

As always, help is available. You only need seek it.

Mark Millward
Mark Millward
Oct 15, 2020 9:20 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Guys, Petra is just saying that 9/11 is the same MO as Sandyhook, Christchurch, 7/7, Anders Breivik etc ad ifinitum. I’d say that truly nails it. These bastards literally have us jumping at shadows. It IS that evil. I’d recommend checking out Miles Williams Mathis blog before the circular firing squad takes aim on me.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Oct 16, 2020 2:16 AM
Reply to  Mark Millward

Exactly, Mark, except for 9/11 they have two streams of propaganda: one aimed at the masses and one aimed at the truthers, in order to suppress the truth that it was an inside job. Armed with an important piece of truth (controlled demolition) but an equally important lie (real death and injury) the truthers are hamstrung. Those two pieces do not fit together, they repel each other like magnets out in the non-truther world.

For Sandy Hook, Christchurch, etc it would be utterly absurd to have a second stream suggesting that the government killed the children but it works PERFECTLY for 9/11.

Fred the builder
Fred the builder
Oct 16, 2020 11:17 AM
Reply to  Mark Millward

She isn’t just saying that, she is saying it’s the most important thing and accusing anyone who does not agree of being disinfo. She is actually telling people to ignore everyone who has produced evidence for controlled demolition whom she says are controlled opposition! This is insane and divisive. If you listen to her we should be ignoring Kevin Ryan and Steve Jones and David Griffin and listening to that guy who thinks the WTC buildings were hollow tubes and the corpses of the dead are all dummies.

I would have more respect for her opinion if she could give credit to the people who have actually produced the hard evidence and not dismiss anyone who doesn’t agree with her. That smacks of Judy Wood to me.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Oct 17, 2020 1:39 AM

Huh? Of course, controlled demolition brought down the buildings, Fred, and A&E for 9/11 Truth have done a fantastic job! explaining the building collapses except at least for the BS about molten steel at Ground Zero (they’re controlled opposition after all) and I don’t necessarily agree with the hollow tubes theory. I’ll need to put a disclaimer where I put the link to Steve De’ak. I do, however, have serious doubts about the claims of the “toxic dust” killing people because it strikes me as being propaganda aimed at the truthers to maintain their sense of the evilness of the perps. As I think the evidence clearly shows that this was a massive Full-Scale Anti-Terrorist Exercise comprising all the smaller exercises and drills they’ve told us about … plus a few more they haven’t, then I think they would have tried to conduct the operation using the best Work, Health & Safety measures as much as possible … but who knows? I don’t necessarily doubt that the firefighters they show us suffering are genuinely suffering from respiratory illnesses or similar, however, being a firefighter is a very hazardous occupation and who’s to say they didn’t get sick some other way and have simply been put forward as people who were made sick by 9/11.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Oct 17, 2020 1:46 AM
Reply to  Mark Millward

Just to add: the reason it works perfectly for 9/11 and wouldn’t work for the other psyops is that the alleged killing on 9/11 was incidental. It’s not as if truthers are accusing the US government of going out of their way to kill all those poor people in the buildings and to think that they would have deliberately killed all those people makes no sense although they do pepper us with propaganda telling us some people were targeted in the buildings … which I swallowed hook, line and sinker.

What a psyop!

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 15, 2020 1:27 PM
Reply to  crank

You claim with no links or evidence that “Most researchers conclude that 9/11 was perpetrated by “”the neocons”.” But most of the world thinks religion and religious hate for the USA motivated the biggest suicide attack in history. You and your ‘researchers’ seem intent on memory-holing this little detail, for reasons unknown. Perhaps political correctness is responsible. So maybe you should explain how your anonymous neo-cons gave the attackers their religious hate?

crank
crank
Oct 15, 2020 3:33 PM

You claim with no links or evidence that “Most researchers conclude that 9/11 was perpetrated by “”the neocons”
Go and read the archived discussion pages at most 9/11 forums and the majority opinion was that the Neocon circle of foreign policy activists in and around Washington are fingured as prime suspects by people who have looked through the evidential material.
But most of the world thinks religion and religious hate for the USA motivated the biggest suicide attack in history.
If you mean the religious hate of so-called Islamist extremists, then yes a majority (certainly in the West) do still consider them responsible, and they think that simply because they have not researched the subject.
You and your ‘researchers’ seem intent on memory-holing this little detail, for reasons unknown
I am not intent on memory holing anything, so go away with your accusations.
Perhaps political correctness is responsible.
Political correctness (or something very close to it) is responsible for the shortcomings in drawing conclusions that I mentioned in the comment above.
So maybe you should explain how your anonymous neo-cons gave the attackers their religious hate?
Complete straw man. I am saying the neocons have their own hate.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Oct 15, 2020 4:15 PM
Reply to  crank

It was definitely abetted by the Bush Regimes desire to destroy Iraq and increase Saudi influence in the region as a US ally. A plan that failed miserably with the arrival of the incompetent Obomber .

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Oct 15, 2020 4:11 PM

Links are not evidence just more supporting opinions these days . All data can and will be , for a price or a cause , be tainted . The downside of the so called information age.

Howard
Howard
Oct 15, 2020 4:53 PM

Surely you know by now “They hate us for our freedom!”

kevin
kevin
Oct 15, 2020 3:40 PM
Reply to  crank

The neocons were and are merely servants of the ruling globalist establishment. They are not independently powerful. Most of them have only occupied mid-level positions in government. Cheney’s position had far more to do with his membership/leadership in the Council on Foreign Relations and Trilateral Commission than his membership in PNAC.

Howard
Howard
Oct 15, 2020 4:37 PM
Reply to  crank

Many have commented on the neocon movement – even naming names. And of course the infamous PNAC document has become de rigueur among 911 Truthers.

crank
crank
Oct 15, 2020 6:58 PM
Reply to  Howard

@Howard
Many have commented on the neocon movement – even naming names. And of course the infamous PNAC document has become de rigueur among 911 Truthers.
Yes this is what I said in the original reply above, noting that the commentary usually seems to stop there, i.e. before asking “Who formed the Neocons? Who comprised them in 2001, and what were their backgrounds ?Who inspired them intellectually ? What were the fundamental ideas really about ? Were they open and honest about their intentions?”. These questions seem to lead people into taboo areas, and much of the Truth movement simply abridged its inquiry at that point, preferring conceptual answers instead.
If 911 was about expanding US empire for the sake of US national interest, or US capitalist enterprises, or about an oil grab, does that really fit as a theory with what we have seen the past 19 years ?

Howard
Howard
Oct 16, 2020 2:36 PM
Reply to  crank

One of the best sources for information regarding the neocons is Adam Curtis’ documentary “The Power of Nightmares.” The things I’ve read concerning the neocon ideology suggests it dovetails the neoliberal ideology and has its roots in what has become the Libertarian movement – namely, such influences as Ludwig von Mises and Milton Friedman.

crank
crank
Oct 16, 2020 7:17 PM
Reply to  Howard

*best sources. Geesh, the BBfuckingC !
Read widely is my advice.

crank
crank
Oct 16, 2020 7:31 PM
Reply to  Howard

“What’s a neocon?” once asked Bush 43 to his father Bush 41, after more than three years in the White House. “Do you want names, or a description?” answered 41. “Description.” “Well,” said 41, “I’ll give it to you in one word: Israel.”That anecdote, quoted by Andrew Cockburn, sums it up. The neoconservative movement was born in the editorial office of the monthly magazine Commentary, which had replaced the Contemporary Jewish Record in 1945 as the press organ of the American Jewish Committee. “If there is an intellectual movement in America to whose invention Jews can lay sole claim, neoconservatism is it,” wrote Gal Beckerman in the Jewish Daily Forward, January 6, 2006. “It is a fact that as a political philosophy, neoconservatism was born among the children of Jewish immigrants and is now largely the intellectual domain of those immigrants’ grandchildren.”
The founding fathers of neoconservatism (Norman Podhoretz, Irving Kristol, Donald Kagan, Paul Wolfowitz, Adam Shulsky) were self-proclaimed disciples of Leo Strauss, a German Jewish immigrant teaching at the University of Chicago. Strauss can be characterized as a meta-Zionist in the sense that, while an ardent supporter of the State of Israel, he rejected the idea that Israel as a nation should be contained within borders; Israel must retain her specificity, which is to be everywhere, he said in essence in his 1962 lecture “Why We Remain Jews.” Strauss would also approve of being called a Machiavellian, for in his Thoughts on Machiavelli, he praised the “the intrepidity of his thought, the grandeur of his vision, and the graceful subtlety of his speech” (p. 13). Machiavelli’s model of a prince was Cesar Borgia, the tyrant who after having appointed the cruel Ramiro d’Orco to subdue the province of Romania, had him executed with utter cruelty, thus reaping the people’s gratitude after having diverted their hatred onto another. Machiavelli, writes Strauss, “is a patriot of a particular kind: He is more concerned with the salvation of his fatherland than with the salvation of his soul”
-from above cited article

Edwige
Edwige
Oct 15, 2020 11:00 AM

Funny how this appeared just after the term “circuit breaker” became common:

https://twitter.com/ng_eso/status/1316398489363001344

Blaming it on lack of wind shows they can’t even be bothered to come up with a vaguely plausible narrative (whether that’s laziness, psychological manipulation or just outright mockery, who knows). If their narratives were in any way real, this would lead to some debate about whether wind power is such a great idea – but of course it isn’t and wind power has been designated part of the agenda. It’s like how there’s no questioning of space programmes despite economies being tanked everywhere.

Anyway, the pieces are in place for UK power cuts if that’s the way they want to go.

ame
ame
Oct 15, 2020 11:34 AM
Reply to  Edwige

around the U>k there is ridicule amounts of digging being done 2 stage funny how it falls with the lockdown / local lock down of the digging

CityFibre chosen as a preferred provider of full fibre capacity for Three’s 5G rollout nationwide

https://www.cityfibre.com/news/cityfibre-chosen-preferred-provider-backhaul-threes-5g-rollout-nationwide/

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Oct 15, 2020 5:08 PM
Reply to  Edwige

Wind doesn’t look all that low to me:

https://gridwatch.co.uk

(And subjectively, it has felt bloody windy to me for weeks; I ride a bike, and you certainly notice it).

Although I do notice that CCGT (gas) is proving a solid 50% of the demand, as I write, and demand seems to have gone up, probably because ambient temperatures have gone down.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Oct 15, 2020 10:29 AM

Transition Integrity Project founder calls for murder of official who exposed plans to manipulate election — NYT accuses those who exposed coup plan of stoking violence.

TIP has publicly declared plans to manipulate the U.S. November elections; including paying influencers to support politicians, plans to manipulate the postal vote, and for Biden to refuse to concede, regardless of the election outcome. (See Transition Integrity Project and Hawkfish).

Nils Gilman, the founder of the so-called “bipartisan” Transition Integrity Project, called for the execution of former Trump administration national security official Michael Anton in light of Anton writing critically about the group’s efforts to steal the 2020 election and secure a victory for Democratic Presidential candidate Joe Biden. — https://thenationalpulse.com/news/transition-integrity-project-execution/

New York Times prepares the ground, further demonizing those who’ve QUOTED TIP’s OWN WORDS — Riled Up: Misinformation Stokes Calls for Violence on Election Day
Baseless claims are circulating online about a Democrat-led coup, inflaming tensions in an already turbulent election season by Davey Alba, Oct 13, 2020.

BACKGROUND
The Transition Integrity Project (TIP) ran a simulation in which President Trump failed to win in November but refused to leave office. During the simulation in June, the role of Joe Biden was played by John Podesta, a disgraced Clinton strategist — so much for bi-partisan meaning objective.

Far from there being any evidence that Trump would refuse to leave office, it is Hillary Clinton herself who said that Joe Biden should not concede the election under any circumstances. She also said she believed Joe Biden would eventually win, so long as they dragged out the process and contested it for long enough.

The Transition Integrity Project (TIP) is a bipartisan group of over 100 current and former senior government and campaign leaders, academics, journalists, and pollsters. They include Obama-era advisers like Rosa Brooks, Neocons like Bill Kristol, never Trump Republicans like Michael Chertoff and pseudo journalist political consultants like David Brooks (Opinion | What Will You Do if Trump Doesn’t Leave? — David Brooks, NYT, Sep 4, 2020)

Dan Bongino gives his usual high-octane analysis

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Oct 15, 2020 11:02 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Read for yourself:

Manifesto of the Transition Integrity Project: Preventing a Disrupted Presidential Election and Transition — August 3, 2020
Executive Summary

Page 11, point two:

“Planners need to take seriously the notion that this may well be a street fight, not a legal battle; technocratic solutions, courts, and a reliance on elites observing norms are not the answer here.”

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 15, 2020 1:33 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

They welcome and prepare for civil war because they can no longer win by peaceful democracy. Violence is fine if they do it. They’ll ruin the election and keep burning down cities and terrorising innocent Americans rather than lose to Trump again. And they call themselves ‘Democrats’!

Howard
Howard
Oct 15, 2020 4:58 PM

Your last sentence says it all: “they call themselves Democrats!” I can call myself an Angel; that doesn’t make me one.

Carnyx
Carnyx
Oct 15, 2020 9:32 AM

Extortion 17 – Seal Team 6 – OBL in Iran – Hilary and Joe… Oh my!!

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Oct 15, 2020 9:38 AM
Reply to  Carnyx

If Joe Biden and Ukraine – where he got a prosecutor fired for daring to investigate his unqualified. $50k-a-month son – does not dominate the headlines from now until the Presidential election…

… you’ll know the U.S. has gone full Soviet Union.

Carnyx
Carnyx
Oct 15, 2020 9:43 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Alan Howell Parrot – Falconry – The Iran transfer to the US of OBL

Ukraine is DISTRACTION

Shady dealings indeed



I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 15, 2020 1:36 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Imagine the endless headlines and outrage were this Donald Trump Jr. Yet many believe the MSM isn’t part of the US left.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Oct 15, 2020 8:04 AM

UK Column News – 14th October 2020
PART ONE

ONLINE VOTING BY UK MPs REMOVED
Notice on Parliamentarians’ web sites: As a result of covid some MPs have been “less able to vote in Parliament”.

Jun 2-9, 2020 “The option voting online was removed and a number of MPs may have been unable to vote because they were not physically able to attend.”
June 10 onwards: MPs could designate another MP to vote on their behalf or pair off with an MP with an opposing vote.

WHY WAS ONLINE VOTING BY MPs CANCELLED,
WHO HAS DELIBERATELY HOBBLED THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS,
THIS WAS NEVER REPORTED?

WHY MPs DON’T VOTE
Yvonne Fovargue MP (Lab) says the abstained because a) she received representations on both sides b) in a pandemic gov requires extraordinary powers.

Alex Thomson: The truth is Keir Starmer ordered them to abstain, so they were whipped which means blackmailed. They did not vote on conscience or principle.

ONCE YOU GIVE AWAY RIGHTS, THEY’RE GONE
Mrs Fovargue MP admits this legislation “contains some of the most draconian powers ever seen in peacetime Britain”… she had worked “to ensure that any exercise of executive power or administrative action is measured against human rights and common law standards. this include necessity, proportionality, rationality, fairness and non-discrimination.” 

Alex Thompson: Emergency powers are NOT valid under Common Law. She failed to challenge this, even though even Star Wars knows if you give powers to the Lord of the Universe he won’t give them back again.

There are very rare examples such as Lucius Cincinnatus, early Roman statesman, who is so rare he has an American city and an order named after him.

PARLIAMENT IS SIDELINED
GOV WILL CONSULT MPs “WHERE POSSIBLE’
MP Fovargue continues: “With such strong powers, the need for accountability is even more important than in ordinary ties. I am there fore pleased that the Gov announced that, where it is possible, Parliament will be consulted on any future significant measures that take effect across the whole of England or the UK.”

A) The Gov proposes to decree local or regional measures without any reference to Parliament
B) The Gov will only consult Parliament at all, “where possible”.

UNLAWFUL ARRESTS ALREADY UNDERWAY
Labour MP Yvonne Fovargue continues: “I also understand the concerns that have been raised abut Schedule 21 of the Act, which gives public health officers, constables and immigration officers the power to take action against potentially infectious persons.

It is deeply concerning that this provision has so fare been used for 141 prosecutions, all of which were found to be unlawful when reviewed. Additionally, I believe the term “potentially infectious persons” is unclear and could include anyone.”

UKC: She recognizes anyone could be arrested for anything, without evidence.

COMMON LAW IN PERIL
Podcast Series on Common Law coming soon
You need to learn the Common Law. Mike Robinson, David Scott and Alex Thomson

COMMON LAW vs NAPOLEONIC LAW
Alex Thomson: This MP says the wants to measure government decrees “against human rights standards (which are Napoleonic) and Common Law”.

This is the destruction of Common Law. The two are chalk and cheese.

If I said I had a great kennel for dogs and cats, full of clockwork mice and scratching posts and litter trays, what would you say? That is a polite way of saying I don’t really care about dogs but I want to let you down gently.

The definition of rights that she gives are all about Napoleonic “rights” and not common law: “any exercise of executive power or administrative action is measured against human rights and common law standards. this include necessity, proportionality, rationality, fairness and non-discrimination”.

That is The Human Rights Act 1998 which sets out the fundamental rights and freedoms that everyone in the UK is entitled to. It incorporates the rights set out in the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) into domestic British law. The Human Rights Act came into force in the UK in October 2000.

HUMAN RIGHTS “FRAMEWORK”
That is justice in the sense of righteous, acting within powers, having the basis for doing something and being sacked if you don’t tick the boxes and ultimately respecting people’s immunities. The corollary is that judges or executives can decree that certain rights or certain categories of people don’t matter.

COMMON LAW
This is foreign to Common Law which says if we find the need for it we’ll do it, and only in so far as it is necessary and compatible with your rights.

UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES, THE MONARCHY HAS TO GO
THE QUEEN HAS FAILED TO STAND UP FOR THE CONSTITUTION

A Surrendered Crown and a Commonwealth Betrayed — Martin Edwards, Oct 13, 2020 https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/surrendered-crown-and-commonwealth-betrayed

COUNCIL PENSIONS IN PERIL
“Local government is staring into a very bleak winter with redundancies looking inevitable. The regulations as drafted will hit the pensions of the longest-serving and the most modestly paid.

They will remove staffing autonomy from councils… and as there’s been no equality impact assessment it will hurt the vulnerable.
— Lord Charles Courtenay, Crossbench Peer, Sep 23, 2020

His response: IGLOO DINING PODS IN EXETER
Outdoor dining domes to support restaurants
Idea came from Visitor Economy Recovery Group
Run by Lord Charles Courtenay, Earl of Devon

UKC: This man knows what’s coming. What’s his answer: he’s erecting plastic igloos on the street so that people can have a Covid meal with their bubble. Is this a mental breakdown?

Alex Thomson: He is the Earl of Devon. Intellectuals becoming barristers is normally a process of narrowing the mind. Language like equality impact assessment is a classic example of it coming out in language. You no longer think about the real world but simply what species am I dealing with, have I ticked all the boxes.
What he is saying is: THE PLEBS WILL GO BROKE BUT WE DON’T WANT TO TELL THEM.

WHY IS STATISTICS AGENCY ADVISING DOCTORS?
UKC asked what qualifies the Office for National Statistics to advise Doctors on whether to attribute death to Covid. ONS chose not to respond.

UK Gov AVOIDS ANSWER ON HCIDs
Silence on Covid’s removal from high-consequence infectious diseases list.

Constituent writes a letter, which swiftly bypasses MPs and ministers and goes to the center of unaccountable, executive power.

Constituent’s query > Derek Twigg MP > Under-Secretary of State for Health Jo Churchill > Cabinet Office Letter Answerer Marie Turner

Fobbed Off: “The latest information can be found on the ‘hub’ at http://www.gov.uk/coronavirus… it offers all our latest advice and guidance.”

A) MP and ministers are sidelined.
B) Cabinet Office flunkey replies
C) Using the first-person plural, ‘we’. Who is ‘we’?
D) Doesn’t answer question

PERMISSION TO TRAVEL
= NO RIGHT TO TRAVEL
Covid passport being trialed in UK on flights between Heathrow and Newark, Hong Kong and Singapore. Common Pass is backed the by Commons Project, in turn backed by the Rockefeller foundation and World Economic Forum.

Commons Projects chief medical officer said many countries will feel the need to regulate travel as long as the pandemic lasts. This is world government policy being injected into the UK and other countries.

JOBS FOR SECURITY BODS
Vacancy: Chief Executive of the United Kingdom Security Vetting: “The organisation is going through a period of substantial change, as it has transferred from the Ministry of Defence to the Cabinet Office and into the centre of the security function.”

UKC: The Cabinet Office now has 7,000 staff and has taken over the security function.

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
Oct 15, 2020 11:58 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

The British people need to wake up fast. The forced poverty will do that. They also need to remember all those who have been killed or ruined over the years fighting for the very rights this and previous gov’t has been trying to remove.

The people will eventually realise they have been scammed. Let’s hope we have some time left to react once that happens. I guess many are spending their forced imprisonment looking for answers on the ever dwindling pages of the internet.

It’s all down to belief because official facts pushed by NWO quacks are being destroyed by reason and medical experience, and very soon the law.
Many Brits have had their faith in gov’t shattered. They just could not believe the credible reports that this scamdemic has been in the gov’t planning stages for years.

Whatever rules wannabe dictators force onto their public, the result is always decided by plain old violence and numbers.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 15, 2020 1:46 PM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

We can peacefully vote out Boris the globalist puppet and/or wannabe dictator. The only way to give power to the people, as leftists used to promise, is to defend and restore a real democracy in which unelected technocrats and famous ‘philanthropists’ don’t set or buy the political agenda. The only alternative system of governance is autocracy or elite rule, which denies plebs any peaceful power or influence over politicians.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Oct 15, 2020 1:40 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Boris obviously bows first to the globalist elites, not to British voters or something called conservatism. MPs say nothing, while Starmer would likely be even more subservient to Gates and his vision. We need a British leader, not globalist poodles and puppets.

kevin
kevin
Oct 15, 2020 3:54 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

“Alex Thomson: The truth is Keir Starmer ordered them to abstain, so they were whipped which means blackmailed. They did not vote on conscience or principle.”

That’s not enough. If need be, you leave the party, sit as an independent and vote on conscience when the future of democracy and freedom is at stake.

Bob the Hod
Bob the Hod
Oct 16, 2020 10:45 AM
Reply to  kevin

You’d have to have a backbone for that Kevin. Fovargue gives the impression of almost getting it. My parents live in her constituency, she is an empty vessel who is there because she doesn’t have a penis. There’s no way MPs like her would put truth, honesty and ordinary people above the party.