Kremlin “Drone Attack”: The silly, the stupid, the annoying & the infuriating
Kit Knightly
Yesterday evening, the Russian Government claims, two drones attacked the Kremlin with the intention of assassinating President Vladimir Putin. The Russians assert these drones were sent by the Ukrainian government.
The drones were allegedly picked up by the Kremlin’s air defenses and blown to pieces before they could do any harm. The Russian government supplied the below video:
The response to this news so far is a combination of silly, stupid, annoying and infuriating.
Firstly, there’s the alleged plan itself…
Making no comment on who and/or what was responsible, if the attack was a genuine attempt on Vladimir Putin’s life, it was completely absurd.
Flying two small drones into some of the most protected airspace in the world is only going to end with them getting vaporised.
Even if that doesn’t happen, and by some miracle your drones somehow evade detection by air defense turrets and radar and somehow make it into Kremlin airspace, what then?
The Kremlin is not just one building, it is a complex of over a dozen buildings – including 3 Cathedrals and 4 palaces – covering an area of almost 70 acres.
Supposing your drones make it to the Kremlin, they have no way of knowing which room of which building Putin is in…if he is there at all. After all, while the Kremlin might be the “official residence” of the Russian President, it is common knowledge he doesn’t actually live there (and in fact was not there according to Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov).
So yes, the plan, if it was sincere, was silly.
Secondly, there are the Ukrainians claiming they would never try to assassinate Putin…
For close to a decade pretty much everyone in Western Ukraine has been calling Putin literally Hitler, and for the last year have been accusing him of genocide…but now suddenly they claim they would never try and assassinate the man?
Why not? Because Zelensky et al are just too morally squeamish to go that route? They happily kill innocent civilians but draw the line at seeking the death of a man they call a mass murderer?
So yes, the Ukrainians taking umbrage at the accusation is stupid.
Third, there is the Western press immediately and ubiquitously calling the attack a “possible false flag”…
which is annoying.
It’s annoying because these are people who only ever use the phrase “false flag” when something happens in Russia.
False flags are a centuries-old political manoeuvre, employed regularly by leaders from all over the world, and yet the media only ever use the phrase when something gets blown up in Moscow.
So yes, the Western press’s attitude that – essentially – every bombing or shooting here is real, and every bombing or shooting over there is fake is very very annoying.
Finally, there are the alternate media outlets, immediately and ubiquitously believing the attack was real…
which is simply infuriating.
The Russian government is not inherently morally superior to the US or other Western governments – even if that could be argued pre-Covid, those days are long over. But supposing you believe they are, false flag attacks are not the exclusive property of history’s bad guys.
Good guys can false flag too.
The alternative media’s job is to be the journalism they want to see in the world. To fill the void of factual reporting and unbiased analysis left by the corporate media – NOT the automatic gainsaying of everything in the Western press, or the word-for-word parroting of Russian government press releases. Watching people lose themselves to side-taking is infuriating.
In summary, if it was a real plan it was silly. If it’s a fake attack it’s lame.
We don’t know who did what, and probably never will, but both sides are equally capable of doing something stupid and then lying about it for political gain.
I guess we’ll see where it all goes.
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Interesting that Zelensky packed his bags and began his grand tour of Europe as this alleged drone incursion occurred and a couple of days later arrived in Germany a week ahead of schedule. Could it be because the alleged attack on the Kremlin has opened the door for direct personal retaliation against the Ukrainian midget?
Are you sure nuks even exist? Hiroshima & Nagasaki looked JUST LIKE Tokyo after the firebombing, most all concrete and bridge structures standing, people in the concrete structures survived, streets cleared in days-weeks, radioactivity quickly low (all heavy bombs cause some radioactivity).
Fantastic article. Looks like Russia is being run by the same psychopaths as the US these days. Same BS about the plandemic, now the same dumbass fake terrorism.
I have a question would the Ukraine/NATO vs Russia conflict be almost complete theatre, or would it be closer to world war one. World war one the system of both sides was the same thing, and there was about 42 million casulties.
Both: Like in WW1 the Militarist/Royalist/Capitaliist/Imperialist system on both sides was the same, and the Patriotic humbug which induced young rams among the sheeple to rush to their slaughterhouse was pure theatre.
“Daddy, what did you do in the War?”
“Mister, why are you not out in the Front?”
“Sir, here is a White Lily to wear on your civvy suit”.
Good News ?
Lira arrested. Something for the neocons to cheer.
Chilean journalist arrested in Ukraine – RT Russia and former USSR (goodwordnews.com)
Good night and good luck …
He’s just another Putinista sock-puppet. Hence, all the cross-promotion by the rest of the Putinistas!
BTW: If the US had invaded Russia and had been bombing Russian cities, then “Russian forces launching a drone strike on the Capitol” would be a legitimate act in an existing war. It would not be an “escalation”!
https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1654143612811194371
May 4, 2023
Robert F. Kennedy Jr
@RobertKennedyJr
Russia announced today that the Kremlin has been attacked by armed drones, presumably from Ukraine. Imagine how we would respond if Russian-backed forces launched a drone strike on the Capitol. We must stop these deranged attempts to escalate the war. #Kennedy24
His father and his uncle were killed because of his grandfather’s opposition to WW2. Now here he is opposing WW3. Will they never learn ?
Cowering to nuclear threats is not going to make the world any safer. It would just mean the end of nuclear non-proliferation. Ukraine, Poland and the Baltics would get independent nukes – to defend against both Russia and Germany. Likewise for Japan, South Korea and Taiwan for defending against China and Russia.
I want my private nuke to defend my private property.
Who’s next?
https://youtu.be/oRLON3ddZIw?t=16
If that’s what it takes!
Likewise for Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, Nicaragua, Honduras, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and many others, They certainly need nukes to defend themselves against Washington and Brussels.
. . . and Israel.
Agreed!
Israel already has nukes. One of the reasons JFK was murdered was his opposition to the Israeli nuclear program.
I should have made it a bit clearer. I was adding “and Israel” to the end of “They certainly need nukes to defend themselves against Washington and Brussels.”
The Ukronazis have just carried out another terrorist car bomb murder inside Russia.
But of course they would never, ever, ever fire a drone at the Kremlin.
You were willing to concede you might be mistaken before, so why not carry that logic through now? Oh yeah, you’re in the pay of Russia, I remember you saying XD. But seriously, let’s make communication easier, not harder, shall we? A2
Longtime reader, first time commenter, expecting to be savaged by certain piranhas that patrol these waters. I just am feeling the need to ask a question. Why are there some people here so angry at reading a piece of eloquent and balanced journalism? Since when did opposing American imperialism turn into blinkered refusal to look at certain facts or move with the times? I supported BRICS and Russia’s brave resistance in Syria, paid my dues commenting in the Guardian for many years, was banned for expressing outrage over the Odessa massacre. So please don’t accuse me of being a neocon! It’s just that things have clearly changed imo. I started seeing the change in about 2016 when Trump was put in the White House. The propaganda messages began to slowly change. It’s become more and more trendy among what we can call the “official” alternative media (are they controlled? Maybe… Read more »
Welcome to the comments section!
We greatly appreciate any attempt to communicate magnanimously on a sensitive subject, and may we invite others here to respond likewise. Maybe don’t reach straight for that vote button and move on, but pen us your thoughtful thoughts. Let’s discuss and debate like the civilised people we undoubtedly are (and let’s keep the one-line ad Homs to ourselves 😉).
Thanks OP. A2
Yeah, I actually would like to second this and the call for rational debate. I’m disturbed by being called a neocon just because I don’t find any of the official explanations of the so-called drone assassination attempt very convincing.
It looks to me most like street theater with a handy narrative for both sides to sell their fans. I’m not a bloody neocon because I think that!
“I don’t know which but my reason tells me it MUST be one or other.”
Beware of Reason!
“Reason tells us to choose one or the other, but Nature forces us to believe both” — Heisenberg.
“Uncertainty Rules, OK?” — attrib Heisenberg.
Thanks! Phew, at last a bit of fresh air.
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The voting system is as corrupt as the various “elections” around the world.
It can seem that way if many people vote against you, but I think “the room” is just not in sympathy with you on this. I have seen you get many upvotes on other topics though, so don’t despair.
Simple question: WHO would believe anything coming out of the Biden regime?
True, but that doesn’t mean we should believe EVERYTHING coming out of Moscow does it.
Exactly. It’s a very simple point that seems very hard for some to grasp
It was particularly fortunate that someone happened to be hanging around a ‘GUM’ window (Red Square’s main department store) just prior to 3am, to catch all the pertinent action on mobile phone. As you tend to do, after a late night out.
A couple of drones vaporized on entry.
Rather than a complete ‘failure to launch’ or a failure to land, maybe Russia was being charitable to Ukraine’s erstwhile futile efforts to launch its much hyped ‘Spring counteroffensive’?
Lending a helping hand where it’s needed
Fantastic article. So glad I braved the Twitter warning to come here. Cuts right through the BS.
Its a bit like the rogue UAV that was flying over Kiev that they eventually shot down using a small missile. Its a militarily ineffective action, one that’s a nuisance and a danger mostly to anyone who gets hit by the debris. With the Kremlin ‘attack’ its just a way of saying that ‘yes, its possible’. Its a bit like landing a Cessna in Red Square. At this stage of the war/SMO unless Ukraine does something pretty amazing then its really all over bar the shouting (propaganda). Our (Western) strategy was to delay the Russian military while our sanctions tanked their economy. It hasn’t worked. The Russian economy is in far better shape than ours (its net productive and carrying only a small amount of debt) and their army has developed effected countermeasures for our wonder weapons. The only thing holding the Russians back is the size of the place… Read more »
The purpose of the US/ U.K./ NATO/ City Of London controlled Ukrainian Nazi regimes attack on the Kremlin was purely psychological and political as is the continuous shelling with artillery/ HIMAR rockets attacks on the civilians in the Donbas.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/ukraines-kremlin-gambit-marks-beginning
I note you bypass any acknowledgment of the ambiguities. But let me ask you a question Brian, if I may. If the Biden admin reported a ‘Russian’ attempt to assassinate the POTUS and showed comparable footage of such a silly little drone, would you believe it?
I for one would not.
“We must weight the evidence, not out prejudices.”
I suggest you note what I stated “…purely psychological and political ..” Simplicus explores this in depth. Here is a sample extract. The purpose of these types of attacks is clear but multipart: 1. On the eve of their last big hurrah, they aim to un-balance Russia in any way possible. To make Russian citizens themselves lose trust and confidence in the leadership at a critical juncture, to make lower leadership, troops and unit commanders distrustful of higher ups, etc. To sow doubt, fear, confusion, and all the lower function instincts. 2. To condition the global audience for potential Russian responses which will in fact be long-prepared falseflag operations. It’s important to keep an eye on the nuclear- related information we recently heard of: the U.S. installing nuclear sensors in Ukraine. Now various rumors circulate about a potential Russian ‘tactical nuclear response’ against Ukraine. It’s clear that one of the… Read more »
I appreciate the point you are making. Your view is not impossible or implausible, but it is merely one interpretation of the events.
Do you appreciate the point I am making? Do you feel able to answer the question I asked you, which I consider to be very pertinent?
Appreciating a point is not the same as analysis of the point and discussion of it.
So can you answer my original point of it being a psychological and political manoeuvre in more depth since this has form ie the continuous shelling of the civilians in the Donbas.
“…merely one interpretation..” is not sufficient , I am sorry to say
By the way, your throwaway comments “ ..not impossible or implausible “ about Simplicus’s very detailed, very comprehensive article doesn’t even scratch the surface of the complexity of this event!
So you can’t appreciate the point Hannah makes? ‘Appreciate’ isn’t specific enough? I dunno, sounds a bit weasel wordy because one can appreciate a wide range of nuanced positions, it’s not an agreement, it’s an acknowledgement of the potential validity of the point (one which Hannah offered to you). It gives our consent to continue a good faith discussion. A2
Hannah, is using a term to avoid any in depth analysis and discussion of a point I made with supporting evidence.
Moreover, Hannah went on to avoid actually discussing in depth analysis of the points I had made by using a phrase in order to shift to a hypothetical what if question.
This tactic is used frequently by politicians and public officals to avoid answering the original points.
And if so, I’d expect you to do a better job sidestepping such slippery tactics than this ham fisted deconstruction 😉 Killing a conversation dead is another form of evasion.
Actually Hannah asked you a question which you didn’t answer, and then pointed this out and asked if you’d answer it, while acknowledging the validity of your position.
You still haven’t answered the question, you’re too busy reacting indignantly (another evasion tactic) And you have the gall to suggest Hannah is avoiding the ‘original points’? XD
Let’s not forget that Putin is WEF and so is Zelensky so neither side can be trusted [period]. IMOP the Ukraine war is a war on Ukrainians by both sides.
I doubt this was a false flag perpetrated on the Russian side, the Russians would have done a better job at trying to sell it and certainly would have made a more convincing spectacle.
Zelensky and his Maiden (made in USA) occupation government are most likely the responsible side of this two headed coin.
I don’t often, in fact I think this is the first time ,come this way via twitter. That may be because of the shadow banning, I got the #thought crime if you click this link page. I noticed Ian Davis had got some flack for posting a positive comment and link to this article.
Great article, breath of fresh air etc.
The Ukrainian post office issued a stamp to celebrate the drone attack on the Kremlin just a few hours after it occurred.
Like they issued a stamp to celebrate an ineffectual LOWMARS attack on the Crimean bridge. Pathetic self adulation.
I heard a rumor that comedic actor Zelensky will be “sacrificed” in an assassination and TPTB will attempt to use this to beat the war drum.
Good luck with that and can’t imagine anyone getting in an uproar over a dead comedic actor and dictator.
I regret to say that my reaction to such a Zelenskicide would certainly be a yawn.
Three years ago, I would not have said that.
It was a silly serious-minded plan to provoke a reaction. But the reaction was not of the hysterical caliber Washington would have had in a similar case. It was silly like the missile sent to Poland to escalate the war.
It was either stupid or desperation. Considering the flurry of activity among Ukraine leadership and NATO/EU leadership following the Pentagon “leaks” disparaging Ukraine, this seems to fit as another maneuver to prevent ceasefire overtures from Ukraine. Given the technical description of the Ukraine drone, it was reminiscent of the truck bomb attack on the Crimean bridge last year. Suspect it was the collaborator cell inside Russia that had been recently deploying drone attacks near Moscow since the start of the year.
OG is censored everywhere these days because it is one of about 3 alternative media outfits that are still offering genuine alternatives rather than just choice between flavours of official narrative. I hope everyone who comes here regularly drops a few quid their way. Them and Iain Davies and Slavsquat and a couple of others are all we have left.
Thanks for the support and appreciation. Wow! I’ll pass this on to the team! A2
Well… Apparently the circus is still in town, and the harpies are still harping. A guy wonders what the ancient Greeks were referring to…
The Kremlin “attack” reminded me of 9/11’s failure of the entire US air defense system to detect incoming aircraft and scramble… The “attack” reminded me of a lot of Hollywood’s finest productions, sans the black leather hero…
There were of course no incoming aircraft.
Saved my sanity to read this. Spent an hour today listening to the Duran guys twisting themselves in knots to avoid admitting this story from the Kremlin is just as stupid as any “terrorism” story coming out of Washington DC. It’s becoming just a big arena full of rival fans isn’t it. Are you Team Russia or Team US? But for God’s sake don’t think for yourself or think the whole game might be fixed.
“Team Russia”?
Seriously.
Perhaps you are too young to remember being accused of being
on Saddam’s side
when the US/Brits wanted an illegal invasion of Iraq (2003).
That was rhetorical smearing then and it is today.
And then there was Gaddafi. Were you on Gaddafi’s “team” when the oil thieves shattered that country?
How about Assad? (hint: Syria) I remember Tulsi Gabbard being accused of being pro-Assad.
“Team Russia”
Seriously
I don’t understand your point.
I think his point is, that the EU$A gangrape and dismemberment of small countries like Iraq and Libya is not some sort of team game. Russia is on the right side of history when it comes to defend Syria and Ukraine from a similar fate.
And I add: Russia was on the right side of history the first time it came to de-Nazify the Ukraine, in WW2.
You sidin’ with Biden? I’m rootin’ for Putin…
Thank to the autheur for this. I have not read Off-guardian until today. Very happy to find you!
Welcome to the fold Theo.
Do you believe convid was real ? Are you up to date on your boosters ?
I don’t get it. Having read many articles here today and yesterday I can see this website is antivax and covid skeptic. Why, therefore, do you assume someone who is happy to find this site will be pro-vax and believe covid is real?
I’m new here (and I think I’m happy to find the place too), is there something I’m missing?
Flood
You are just one of a flood of new posters cheering on the neocon Nuland/Kagan offensive in Ukraine. I joined this forum because of it’s generally good coverage of the scamdemic. However it does now seem to be steering a new course in the direction of neoconism. In a sense this is in continuation of certain policies. There has never been an article critical of Israel or one in support of the beleagured Palestinians. I have been censored for number of things including harsh descriptions of the neocon war on Iraq.
Marxism (Banksterism) is well regarded.
I checked out your claims. They don’t really stand up. Here’s a list of latest articles filed on Off Guardian under the category or tag “Israel”: Palestine, Yes – Ukraine, No How (and why) Israel changed what “fully vaccinated” means The Myth of “Anti-Semitic Violence” Israeli Mass Murder and a Jew’s Jewish Question The Silent Solution: Orthodox Jewish Rabbinate Knuckles Under to Lockdowns The day Gaza becomes uninhabitable And on the subject of Palestine: Occupation By COVID: Palestine As a Viral Export, 2020 “When Israelis murder Palestinians, it’s a tragedy — for Israelis.” Israeli Indifference is Killing People So your claim “there has never been an article critical of Israel or one in support of the beleagured(sic) Palestinians” is totally false and unfounded. Did you do any research before making it? It took me about five minutes in the search function to prove you completely wrong.. See more at this… Read more »
Esher
The Esher article was good. But things are changing as you admit. It was strange that the voting system was disabled for that article. It is very much in action for this one. Are the downvoters genuine unbiased readers or ghosts imported to boo and cheer the anti/pro neocon posts ? It was shocking to see the downvoting for the Ron Paul article skewering the Queen of the Chickenhawks Vicky Nuland.
A quote from the Esher article:
But wave the Ukrainian flag? We might just as well start thanking the Israelis for poisoning Gaza’s children, or praising the US for sending billions of dollars annually to Israel to help it kill more Palestinian civilians.
I’m slightly disappointed you evaded all my points and questions. You were caught either lying about Off Guardian’s editorial output or at best making baseless claims without verifying. This is a giant hole in your credibility and evading it just makes the hole deeper.
I think if you’d just made a baseless claim by accident you’d have said something like “oops my mistake, sorry”. The fact that being corrected in such a big error doesn’t get any response from you makes it seem like you knew it was a lie all along and were just trying to spread some shade.
Now you’ve been exposed your response is to try to spread different shade and blow smoke. That looks really like a bad faith response.
Fuck you shill.
“Fuck you shill”.
Brilliant reply. Did you think it up all by yourself?
Yes. How is life in Apartheid Israel ?
Kit concluded: In summary, if it was a real plan it was silly. If it’s a fake attack it’s lame.We don’t know who did what, and probably never will, but both sides are equally capable of doing something stupid and then lying about it for political gain.I guess we’ll see where it all goes. I disagree that “both sides are equally capable of doing something stupid”. One piece of strong evidence already available is actually the scent of stupid. No bloodhounds necessary, ‘brain-drained Ukraine’ has the strongest odor of stupid imaginable. Remember, for example, the case of Arkady ‘Curly’ Babchenko, a self-described “dissident Russian ‘journalist’ ” who felt the vacuum pull of vacuous Ukraine, and who, for the sake of journalistic truth and attention, faked his own bloody murder in Kiev. The next day after his fakery ‘Curly’ realized, “Now what? I need to get on with my life.” He… Read more »
NLP (natural language processing) acquires huge amounts of social-emotional data by watching people lose themselves.
Having Kit constantly telling us on nearly every issue to take to the side-lines
is infuriating.
You’re still free to take a side. I can see it would be infuriating to read this article if you have already done that.
“A plague on both your houses!” — Leon Mercutio Trotsky.
Bronstein was a cunt.
POLL!!!
“The response to this news so far is a combination of silly, stupid, annoying and infuriating”……
This piece by Kit is
a) silly
b) stupid
c) annoying
d) infuriating
e) all of the above
f) enlightening opinion slicing through the fog of the infowars with piercing brightness,
g) none of the above: pleeeeease elaborate
I fear to point to you that you have two f) choices. I think your second f) should be a g) perhaps.
My vote goes to first f) option. I think this is a beautiful balanced article.
I corrected it and thanks. 🙂
You’ve got two fs love
You have f down twice
.
Congratulations on being the first rational journalistic analysis I’ve managed to find on this topic. Everywhere else is either “the evil Russians did it”; or “the evil West did it”. What the fuck is wrong with everyone? I think covid bullshit has fried their brains or something.
The story is stupid from either perspective, just like with the lab leak bullshit which is stupid no matter who is claimed to be doing the leaking. It looks like a story designed to give superficial ammo to both sides and encourage us to fight each other over it.
Not to sure about this one Off-Guardian.
You’ve gone to conspiratorial.
NATO would attack Russia to escalate things.
USA/United Kingdom/5eyes would attack Russia to escalate things.
Russia will retaliate and you United Kingdom & Europeans people will be paying up to £5/7.000 a year in gas and electric. In the USA fuel and food has gone up.
I posted 2 years ago on another forum that Electric and Gas will hit £3-£4 thousand a year in European and United Kingdom and everyone ridiculed.
This is a attack on the people.
The Best way to protect yourself against Russia is to get vaccinated.
” … but both sides are equally capable of doing something stupid … ” seems a rather gratuitous observation. The Russians were obviously stupid when for a period they believed the West intend to deal with them as anything other than servants of the Golden Billion. And they were certainly stupid to believe the Minsk Accords were signed in good faith by Western powers. So in a very strict sense, both sides are “equally capable” of stupidity. However history shows that when it comes to action, one side is vastly and consistently more capable of stupidity. PS this is the third time I’m posting a comment regarding the equal stupidity claim. The other two didn’t make the cut. I always expect to go into “pending” and have often defended the moderators right to review comments. However, this is the first time I’ve actually been censored. It’s a shame, up to… Read more »
Shame your great respect didn’t prompt you to inquire before making sweeping denouncements.
You comment is there.
A2
As of time of my above post, neither comment (both posted yesterday) had been published. I guess one out of two is not bad. I’ve only been half censored …
Shame you didn’t acknowledge all the times I’ve defended the administrators’ faculty of reviewing of comments in pending. Or what … ?
I think you’re being a bit disingenuous. Which is why I replied to you. With great respect comes a willingness to mitigate awkwardnesses, not compound them. Therefore I’m left asking, are you actually coming from a place of true respect, or are you trolling and misleading our readers?
You have said nothing worthy of ‘censorship’, that I can assure you. You aren’t being censored. Try not to self aggrandise.
Come here to vent, by all means be an asshole if you want within certain bounds, but please don’t be a sneak. Thanks. A2
Yes, we see that it leads to the downfall of the Kremlin-Nazi-mafia regime…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhwRaY5mrJ8 who’s silly & Stupid, You are. LArry Johnson and Alex Mercouris and Ray McGovern had real intelligent assesment of these incompetent drone attacks . they achieved poltical success in actaully striking the Kremilin and by passing daunted Russian anti airfraft systems and give something for all US Canadian Australian & NATO nazi supprters. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRzJXeQM09Mr jackson had a more intelligent analysis also.
Obviously not an actual Assassination attempt, but a Perception Management Stunt.
A Stunt to create a Public Reaction to overwhelmingly demand action that undermines careful political/military planning.
It’s very similar to a well documented RAF operation during WW2. 30/1/1943 was the 10th anniversary of Hitler gaining power in Germany. There was a parade and public ceremony in Berlin to mark the occasion, covered by a radio broadcast. RAF Mosquitos flew low over the venue to disrupt the ceremony and broadcast. It was a pure propaganda stunt, just like this. Its actual effect on combat operations was zero. Zelensky is an actor and a 3rd rate vulgar clown comedian. All his “ministers” and “officials” are his old show biz cronies, script writers, joke writers, TV producers and the like. Theirs is a fantasy war of media theatricality, producing an endless supply of stunts like this and fairy stories about the Ghost of Kiev and the Heroes of Snake Island, together with a steady stream of fake atrocity stories. That is who they are and that is what they… Read more »
I see all the unreality, and i think it looks pretty phoney on both sides. This has never had the true flavour of a tense international standoff, and anyone alive since the 80s and before should be aware of that. In many people’s minds the matrix got fully upgraded at some point pre-Covid, which now includes most high level politics. The agenda swoops in like agent Smith, a changeover from unscripted to scripted takes place, and aside from a few obvious glitches that everyone prefers to ignore, the show rolls on seamlessly.
I can well understand these arguments and the scepticism of many people about the whole situation. But I think these apparent anomalies can be explained by a number of factors. All sides, even the most rabid neocons, have had to pull their punches to a certain extent for fear of an actual third world war and nuclear conflict. The conflict has the quality of a fratricidal civil war. 40% of Russians and 60% of Ukrainians have close family members in Ukraine and Russia. It’s like Britain going to war with Canada or Australia. Some Russians support Ukraine and some Ukrainians support Russia. Putin had to exercise restraint for a number of other reasons. Maintaining public support. Retaining the crucial support of countries like China, India and the Global South. This has been achieved. He also had to prioritise the economic survival of Russia in the face of unprecedented western economic… Read more »
If people believed an airliner could hit the Pentagon they’d probably believe anything.
Cat and Mouse Game
The banksters can and probably are playing cat and mouse games with Russia. As they did with Syria, Libya, Iraq and so many other countries. The quarry is larger this time but has been worn down with sanctions, blockades, encirclement and more. Western agencies enter Russia at will and liquidate individuals they don’t like. I have no information or opinion on this incident, real or otherwise. The Israeli and Western covert agencies are quite capable of flying drones (or more lethal hardware) into the Kremlin.
Because the Russians (and the whole world) were often betrayed by the USA & NATO by quite stupid lies and falsifications, they now mock them in this way and show that they despise and do not fear the USA & NATO that threaten them.
With this behavior Russians remind the “Tonkin Incident” of 1964, Saddam’s WMD and “100” lies more that led to the wars, huge devastation and deaths of millions (very many civilians, children, women).
They will also use this “incident” to carry out certain military operations that the US & NATO will not like at all (nor Ukraine either, but it is a heavy suffering but little important puppet in this entire affair).
‘ Flying two small drones into some of the most protected airspace in the world is only going to end with them getting vaporised.’
Except that they weren’t; why not?
According to the Official Truth from the Free World, an entire airliner evaded the dedicated anti-missile defences around the Pentagon building on “9/11”. However, I admit that right after crashing into the building, it then vapourised, according to the same Truth.
Excellent analysis as usual, thanks Kit. Yes, the official story is asinine and so is the “alternative”. Does anyone think we are being slowly inured to losing our sense of the ridiculous? Idiotic narratives pushed at us from all sides. Total absence of basic sense anywhere. OffGuardian is one of the few remaining places where common sense can still be found. No wonder everyone is out to get you.
So no one did it?
Opaque to nearly all would be a war between rival mafias. Ukraine is flush with all those unaudited weapons that the West has dumped into Ukraine and this could pour gasoline into territorial disputes between rival gangs. Perhaps one mafia faction could make gains in territorial control if Russia energizes it’s attack upon Ukraine. This would be a motive for a mafia run false-flag against the Kremlin.
I guess the painful truth, Sam, is, as I expressed above, that I am no longer convinced there are different sides to any important degree. I don’t doubt there may be some regional squabbles, but ultimately I think we see clear signs of all world leaders bowing to the same overarching agenda – viz what we call ‘globalism’. I don’t say this lightly. I’ve thought about it a great deal. I have read Kit Knightly and Catte Black and Riley Waggaman in addition to the ‘mainstream’ alternative views. I’m just not convinced of the latter any more following the shock reveals of the covid scam and seeing the extent of Putin’s willing betrayal of his own people in identical form to the leaders in the West. I agree with those who say the covid scam has changed everything and we need a new analysis to take account of what it… Read more »
“Putin’s willing betrayal of his own people in identical form to the leaders in the West.” [re: Covid] I believe Russia didn’t enact anything close to the draconian pandemic measures that we in the West did. And even if he had, why does this *have* to be because of an allegiance to a globalist agenda? Putin enabled the technocrats in Russia, that is all. Technocrats that echo chambered the WHO (World Health Organization). Technocrats that watched out for their own backs first and protected their own jobs and status. It is safer to follow WHO guidance then become a lone contrarian. See how the many scientists that bucked the official agenda here were treated. And there was money to be made in Russia, too. That greases a lot of tracks as we witnessed here in the West. “I am no longer convinced there are different sides to any important degree.”… Read more »
Putin made a grave mistake in allowing his “technicians” to inject experimental RNA Vaxx into his people. Especially since his Chinese counterpart was using tried-and-tested conventional whole-virus traditional flu shots. Equally ineffective but far less potentially dangerous.
But this criminally irresponsible error of judgment does not mean that Putin deliberately “conspired against his people”.
OffG has done great service by naming and shaming some of the key conspirators. But I think it is losing the plot by crying, “A plague on both your houses!”. Same as the Trots cried in WW2, the last time Russia was forced to de-Nazify East Europe.
Sounds like an apiologists drone is responsible for the ‘attack’ on the Kremlin. ThoughtCo gives this role for drones:
Last fall, a commenter here who is supposedly a low-level “insider” gave a prediction about the “staged” Ukraine war: https://henrymakow.com/2022/09/ukraine-provides-new-route-great-reset.html “At some point in the near future two option are being gamed and, so far as I know, no firm decision yet reached. OPTION 1 – a limited or accidental nuclear exchange in Europe. Probably simulated. Area cordoned, evacuated. Chaos. Supply chain breakdown. It’s anticipated the mass-mind will by this point be sufficiently inculcated through emotional imprinting and fear responses that widespread acceptance of “emergency measures” will be welcomed. Emergency measures to include – mandatory injections, strict travel bans, rationing. Such measures to become permanent. This scenario will result in a Cold War with new, digital, iron curtain. In reverse of the previous version, the Western portion will have the lower standard of living and relatively poor freedom index, though this will even out over time as the western cultures lose their… Read more »
My goodness, we can see some of this happening right now!
Both options achieve the desired result: mass depopulation.
This all assumes that all the major players are in some kind of agreement — that is, we have some residual relevance in the global scheme of things. Let me propose an alternative. It was really hinted at by a Chinese diplomat recently when they remarked that ‘once the US leaves a theater peace breaks out’. We’ve grown up seeped in the notion that we — Europe, and by extension colonies like the US etc. — are the center of civilization so naturally we assume that any continuation of civilization must involve us, our opinions and our needs. Now, just assume for a moment that ‘the world’ declares us irrelevant. We obviously can’t be ignored totally because we’re big and we’re able to cause all sorts of trouble, but just assume that they’d prefer to just isolate us as best they can, essentially confining us to our reservation. This is… Read more »
“Now, just assume for a moment that ‘the world’ declares us irrelevant.”
Or, more rationally, declares us a mere 8% portion of the Multi Polar World. And from now on, the poorer portion.
This was predicted by a great French poet:
“The West is committing economic suicide by outsourcing its technology — our only advantage against the more populous, more hardworking and more socially cohesive portion of the globe”. — Paul Valery, circa 1940-1950
Drone definition:
‘a low continuous noise that does not change its note’
The incessant, insidious, invasive and ignorant pandemic and vaccine DRONES are far more deadly.
Out damned spot!!
Bingo.
A river called the River Moskva flows through Moscow.
My theory is that the famous Three Men In A Boat (plus or minus dog), (who of course have nothing at all to do with Ukraine, America, or any western country), sailed their little sail boat from the Baltic Sea immediately after blowing up the Nordstream pipeline. Then they steadily worked their way up the River Moskva. When they could see the Kremlin domes in the distance, the skipper climbed up the mast and fired off the drones. Whether or not Putin paid them a suitcase full of roubles to do this for his own nefarious purposes is yet to be determined.
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“Three Men on the Bummel” is well worth reading in these troubled times. One of the few British writers to ignore Whitehall’s anti-German propaganda in the runup to WW1. A genuinely sympathetic and good humoured travelogue. Time for a modern equivalent: what is the Russian for “bummel”?
I actually think that’s the best of the stories, even minus Montmorency. Though Jerome had a great deal to say about German bureaucracy and mentality with the cat stoning incident.
No matter who did it, the effect on all the rest of us is that the stakes of the Ukraine-Russia conflict just got higher. If it’s a Russian false flag, it means they are looking for an excuse to punish Ukraine. If it’s a US/EU/Israeli/Ukrainian false flag, it means they are looking for an excuse to possibly nuke Russia. Either way, for us normal sane folks, it’s a bad look out. None of us wanted this war, all of us know that it was entirely avoidable but short of going to war against the elites, we have no way of stopping it, it seems. I just wish the ER/JSO idiots would face facts and join with peacenik climate skeptics in agreeing that the war in Ukraine is really much, much more urgent to solve than sticking yourself to artwork, to roads or to bridges to inconvenience harmless, honest adults in… Read more »
I think ‘they’ (ie both sides) want us to believe this. I think they want us to believe we are in mounting danger of WW3 so, as the post above suggests, we will be softened up by fear and will accept the ‘solutions’ ‘they’ then offer.
Did about as much damage as that guy that put his feet up at Pelosis desk.
You only have to look at the proven history if you are trying to decide what to make of this. There have been multiple threats over a long period of time to murder Putin by senior US officials at the highest level. Lindsey Graham is only one of many. Why should these be ignored? There have been previous attempts, maybe as many as 5-6 or more, by the US and Ukrainian regimes, to murder Putin, including recently. Murdering foreign heads of state is the stock in trade of western regimes. There were multiple attempts to murder Gaddafi over many years (including at least one by MI6), and of course they eventually succeeded. Multiple attempts to murder Saddam Hussein (eventually lynched), attempts to murder Milosevic (eventually murdered in custody.) Arafat. Chavez. You can add many others to the list. Murdering foreign heads of state is as American as apple pie. The… Read more »
Sure – but as pointed out in the article this was a really stupid way to attempt it with little to no chance of success. Of course we assasinate people.
“The US regime [actually, EU$A] is a terrorist regime, which brazenly and routinely carries out operations like Nordstream.”
You forgot Kennedy’s attempt to assassinate Castro with a presentation box of exploding cigars.
Does anyone seriously doubt that this was a Ukrainian attack?
After the Dugina killing?
After the Kerch bridge?
But yes, of course, I see now, Putin blew up the Kremlin.
Just like he blew up Nordstream.
“Does anyone seriously doubt that 9/11 was a terror attack?
After the previous attack on the WTC?
But yes, of course, I see now, Bush blew up the Twin Towers.
Just like he was behind the anthrax attacks.”
Sauce for the goose
“Bush blew up the Twin Towers. Just like he was behind the anthrax attacks.”
I gave you an upvote because you are right. But the criminal mastermind behind the last Bush regime was not feebleminded little Shrub Bush: it was Big Daddy Bush, former head of the CIA, acting through his trusty old sidekick, vice-President Dick Cheney.
Of course we seriously doubt it! The story is implausible, just as implausible as the idea a plane could fly unchallenged into the Pentagon. It looks as fake as the smoke bomb at the Boston marathon. Only someone who refuses to see things objectively could swallow such a story without gagging
Do you seriously doubt Nordstream as well?
Yes Paul, even that. Try to wrap your head around the idea that what the MSM is reporting need not even be real. Just like with Covid. There’s an extremely overpowered propaganda machine in operation. It’s in its interest to report as little truth as possible, or pass truth through such a distorting lens that you can’t distinguish it from fiction.
How do we know Nordstream even happened is my question. My energy bills are through the roof is all I do know and I bet the Russian oligarchs are just as happy about that as the ones in America and the UK
Yes, yes, you’re right. Everything is a hologram and nothing is real, including your energy bills.
I do not get why you can’t see you are exactly the same as the people who say “does anyone seriously doubt Bin Laden did 9/11”? Blinkered thinking is blinkered thinking.
In other news not being talked about. Death rates up 25% in your own country.
Who gives a toss what goes on in the Kremlin. It’s ALL fake, so why keep pointing out the obvious? What about current affairs in your own country.
https://twitter.com/CKellyUAP/status/1654038648986411008/photo/1
You and Albert Anderson are very much ploughing the same furrow aren’t yez.
Not sure who Albert Anderson is?
I can only guess you are either working for the program (containing the topic of discussion so it does not drift onto topics that matter), or you have been double or more injected and you feel uneasy about the figures coming out.
Either way, stand at ease 77th solider, you’re dismissed.
You apparently believe the clot shot is harmless. Or you are a shill.
What an unhelpful attitude
Hannah, the death rate is up 25% and you want to discuss a fake rumor that may have taken place during a fake event.
If you want to play in the OG sandpit fine, but others want to discuss adult topics. Not dilute them with fake events.
The vax mortality was discussed on OG on April 28.
https://off-guardian.org/2023/04/28/watch-covid-vaccines-and-all-cause-mortality/
I have barely seen trans stuff discussed on OG, can you link to where it is.
I don’t understand your point. OG covers many topics and has always led the way on covid. Are you saying the Kremlin drone doesn’t even deserve a quick mention? Why on earth not?
Btw – your 25% figure is just for a single week. Previous weeks the numbers dipped BELOW the five year average.
If OG does cover the issue again I hope they provide more balanced and accurate coverage than you do.
And yes, I am firmly antivax. I just know accuracy is everything, which is why I always value OG’s measured input.
Hannah, why not point your curser to the top right corner and type in Transgender or 9/11 or Mask etc. you will see how many time this has been discussed over and over. Further, you may visit here for your entertainment and a diversity of topics to read, but I don’t. I’m more concerned in taking a topic that matters, a topic that is fundermental to this particular scam and investigate it until those responsible are exposed. Not dilute it. Finally, lets not talk about averages, anyone who has any idea of math knows how these people massage the numbers and use “relative numbers” when it suits as apposed to “actual numbers”. Two years ago we were closing down businesses and puting people under house arrest because someone test positive to a PCR test. If every life matter then, then it does now, so stop with the “its only a… Read more »
I did make a cursory search for trans subjects covered here on OG and could find virtually nothing. Of course they have published a great deal on 9/11 and masks, but these are very important subjects. Why do you arbitrarily select them as being things that ought not to be discussed? In re. averages, the data you are referring to is based on averages. You are quoting a weekly figure of 25% over the rolling five year average. So I’m confused that you now tell me to ignore averages. Correct me if I’m wrong but a single week of 25% above the rolling average may not end up meaning anything statistically significant, particularly if offset by other weeks of below average deaths. I think we need longer term figures in order to identify genuine trends. Do you have figures for the year compared with other years? And if they are… Read more »
Read all about it. Could be disgruntled audience engineered the drone attack over the Kremlin, in response to Fox News removing Tucker Carlson from main stream media.
https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/was-the-tucker-take-down-a-deep-state-hit/
That Fox show was caught lying to the American public.
Flower Moon (Penumbral) lunar eclipse 5/6 May.
The whole thing is another ritual.
If you believed the FBI raided mar a lago or RFKjr is
going to take down the medical deep state. 💤
The “Drone Attack’ like the above is aimed at the silly and f**ing stupid.